From igofaster at att.net Fri Mar 1 07:50:08 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 06:50:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA and CVAR at Austin Texas COTA Message-ID: <1362149408.27341.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> did not know if this had been shared on the channel.... I copied the message from our group with CVAR We have finally been released to start organizing for what looks like will be a huge vintage event. If you are anticipating that you would like to be a part of this race, please go to www.svra.com, click on Events, and under National Championship, click on "Pre-Registration", and follow the instructions. You will get to a page to fill out Pre-Registration information. This is not a formal registration or a commitment to register, but it is important for you to pre-register so that we can start figuring out the logistics for this race. The deadline for pre-registration is April 15, so, if you are interested, please get this done as soon as you can. Where there is a blank that says "SVRA License #", put in your CVAR license number. Also fill out the next two blanks where it asks for another license number and club affiliation. It is important that you indicate you are a CVAR member since SVRA and CVAR members will have top priority. Filling out your car information is also very important and will help with grouping of cars and the overall organization of the weekend. More information will be forthcoming when we have more details, but suffice it to say that this is a work in progress. About all that is firm right now is the date and the track, but at least we are moving ahead. Dan Ruehs President CVAR Inc. Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Fri Mar 1 09:31:45 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:31:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open Message-ID: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> looks like my fellow Texas Friends of Triumph got front page listing for 2013 Mitty! Bob Kramer on the left and Greg Blake on the right...not too shabby! Bobby Whitehead ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Historic Sportscar Racing To: igofaster at att.net Sent: Fri, March 1, 2013 9:47:43 AM Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open HSR The Mitty. Registration open THE MITTY APRIL 26-28. 2013 FEATURING CAN-AM AND MG REGISTER ON-LINE Do the Mitty like a rock star with one of our VIP tickets: * VIP Super Ticket for Friday, Saturday and Sunday * VIP parking pass * VIP parking area near the Classic Motorsports tent * Classic Motorsports lanyard and VIP ticket holder * Coupon redeemable at the Classic Motorsports booth for an official 2013 Mitty program * VIP viewing areas with shade and water available * Touring laps Friday and Sunday * Access to the Friday and Saturday night HSR driverbs dinner and party * Access to the Classic Motorsports appreciation party * VIP paddock tours led by the Classic Motorsports staff * An entire weekend of historic racing, racing celebrities, ride and drives, and fantastic cars! Tickets will be mailed by April 1, 2013. * Price: $119 each + $3.00 shipping & handling. * To purchase and view other ticket options, * follow the link at the top of the page or phone (678) 428-7651. * Road Atlanta has been home to the Classic Motorsports Mitty since its inception, and therebs no better place or time to enjoy a motorsports daydream. Join us April 26-28, 2013, for a long weekend of action both on and off the track. HSR handles the on-track action, while the Classic Motorsports staff organizes the infield festivities. David Hobbs, our grand marshal, has run nearly everything: Can-Am, Indy, Formula 1, Formula 5000, Trans-Am, NASCAR, IMSA GTP, IROC and so much more. In recent years, he has anchored America's Formula 1 TV coverage. The 2013 Mittybs featured marque will be MG. Bring your roadster: Webll have a contest to see if we can get more MGs or Miatas on track during Saturdaybs lunch break. Bring your earplugs, too: Webll have a reunion of the classic Can-Am race series. Youbll see all your favorite food groups at speed: Shelby, Porsche, Triumph, Jaguar, MG, Alfa Romeo, Corvette, BMW, Mini, Mazda, Nissan and so many more. Jack Higginbotham, president of PRS Guitars, will play a set with his band on Saturday night! PRS Guitars also will also present a custom guitar to the owner of the hardest-rocking car at the event. Thatbs not the only fanfare scheduled for the weekend. The Mittybs infield will feature car club corrals, free test drives, tech talks, magazine project cars, evening socials and so much more. Even if youbre not a competitor, you can get your car in on this world-famous racing circuit by participating in one of the weekendbs parade laps. ________________________________ Click to view this email in a browser If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this message with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on the following link: Unsubscribe Click here to forward this email to a friend Historic Sportscar Racing. P.O. Box 8110 Clearwater, Florida 33758-8110 US Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Mar 1 12:39:07 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:39:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: VR1 In-Reply-To: <5F7E7DF4-D549-4E42-B854-8126AFACB294@austin.rr.com> References: <1362084341.24476.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5F7E7DF4-D549-4E42-B854-8126AFACB294@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001ce16b4$71427c30$53c77490$@com> Thanks for the tip! I just went down and picked up 2 cases of 12 from the local O'Reilly's. Saved $50. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: VR1 VR1 on sale , whoopee! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Robert Blake > Date: February 28, 2013, 1:45:41 PM MST > To: Bob Kramar , 'William Collins' , Duncan Charlton , "jhovey1 at sbcglobal.net" > Subject: VR1 > Reply-To: Robert Blake > > O'Reilly's has VR1 20-50 on sale for 3.99/qt starting today through Mar 31st. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Mar 1 20:11:05 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 03:11:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks Message-ID: <20130301.221105.15919.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> I have been using the Hoosier radial slick on my EP Honda. Others in EP have been using the radial slicks, but I have not tried them yet on my TR3. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:46:29 -0500 (EST) Hi, This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? My earlier questions were based on this tire (un)availability. I have to get ready to buy my tires for 2013 and I have no idea what to do at this stage except break down and switch to 10 inch rims. I know this is currently illegal in Prod, but if there's no tires available - then what? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Mar 2 07:48:31 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:48:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open References: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nuttin' in my email box from those guys...I'm thinking I must be persona-non-grata with HSR. I leave a couple pounds of busted up cast iron and a couple of quarts of oil on their track, and I get snubbed. :-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Historic Sportscar Racing > To: igofaster at att.net > Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > HSR The Mitty. Registration open > From igofaster at att.net Sat Mar 2 12:02:58 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:02:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] forged pistons GT6 Message-ID: <1362250978.66611.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> looking for forged pistons for my GT-6+ build 020 or 030 over.... Bobby Whitehead From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 1 21:07:18 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 23:07:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks In-Reply-To: <20130301.221105.15919.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20130301.221105.15919.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <11B474B3-1860-45DE-AFA5-44E88C43EEB6@gdhs.com> I use the Speedsters on my TR3A the work fine Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 3:11 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > I have been using the Hoosier radial slick on my EP Honda. Others in EP have > been using the radial slicks, but I have not tried them yet on my TR3. > Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:46:29 -0500 (EST) > > Hi, > > This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... > > I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have > it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is > going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on > what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any > SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? > > My earlier questions were based on this tire (un)availability. I have to > get ready to buy my tires for 2013 and I have no idea what to do at this > stage except break down and switch to 10 inch rims. I know this is > currently illegal in Prod, but if there's no tires available - then what? > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From JWILEY at CENTENE.COM Sat Mar 2 18:29:04 2013 From: JWILEY at CENTENE.COM (John Wiley) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 01:29:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open In-Reply-To: References: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <6949E57D-4A1E-4D8D-9443-8F680280B07F@CENTENE.COM> Some people are so sensitive! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:09 AM, "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" wrote: > Nuttin' in my email box from those guys...I'm thinking I must be > persona-non-grata with HSR. > > I leave a couple pounds of busted up cast iron and a couple of quarts of oil > on their track, and I get snubbed. :-) > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobby Whitehead" > Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > > > >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> From: Historic Sportscar Racing >> To: igofaster at att.net >> Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open >> HSR The Mitty. 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From igofaster at att.net Sun Mar 3 08:52:27 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:52:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FoT for life In-Reply-To: <4061BD87C37E44EA9CF70108EB3DDF81@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1362250978.66611.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4061BD87C37E44EA9CF70108EB3DDF81@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1362325947.3628.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> this is a response to Henry but I feel compelled to share the response and reply to the group.... Henry....after your group 'threatened' me in Atlanta,,,that I was 'one of us' I knew in my heart , although crushed I was not on track, that I would re-build.. I never really explored really far into what happened other than #2 piston just totally came apart into 1000 pieces..it was a stock piston and I had just run my best weekend ever at TWS in February so maybe it was dialed in to the brink of internal explosion... I have found a really good builder in Oklahoma that builds for Larry Young.. a forged crank is out of the question unless I do a one off but I am using forged pistons (2-4 weeks to produce) ((thanks STEVE and TED)) and I have procured forged rods... I really don't care if I'm mid-pack or last place as long as I can be with me extended family... I'll share a picture with you after this message but my fellow Texas FoT'ers bought the poster of Triumphs on the Track at the Mitty 2012... the signed it framed it and presented it to me last weekend at TWS.. Greg Blakes wife Allison clipped a picture of my GT6 off my facebook page and tagged it to the framed picture...like I was on track... it was kind of cute..the presentation shows all the cars going to the right... my pic was me going to the left... Greg and Bob Kramer presented the gift with the statement... "when you bought the GTA car we thought you "left" us (my car is going left in the Pic) ...cute huh? I cried a bit as it was very emotional... I was at the track this last weekend with the GTA car but the Group8 CVAR proposed is a real cluster bomb.. I ran friday only , one session, and had a small electrical fire, but my whole purpose was to spend the weekend with my Texas FoT family and crew and wrench.. which I did... we did pull a head and replace a head gasket saturday night on Bob Blakes TR4.. he got his first checked flag Sunday he's had in 18 months...so there was that. We had another TR4 come in with the nephew of the driver who drove the car at Daytona in 1966... Bob Kramer has his red TR4 and a blue TR4 his son drives that were both at Daytona the same year this new driver's Uncle's car was there.. I don't believe all three were on the track at the same time but all three were there at the event... pretty cool... Our tech inspector had brought a clapped out trailer with three TR6 engines that had been setting in remiss (outdoors) for 20 odd years... one had a gearbox.. $100 for everything... Kramer and I both kind of passed but noted the gearbox was probably worth salvaging... The new TR4 driver (nephew) at the driving school lost some bearings in the OD gearbox they were trying to run. His dad was wrenching the crap out of it when we mentioned the clapped out $100 Triumph bin that showed up near tech.. sure enough, they pulled the Tranny of the rusted iron, opened up the top box and dang... it looked pretty good... so.. dad did install the $100 find and his son did finish the weekend at speed...so there was THAT... you know,,, typical Triumph racing weekend.... the best of times... All the best Henry... I ain't going nowhere.... Bobby From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Mar 3 09:52:15 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:52:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Header flange Message-ID: Amici I have a header (4-2-1) that needs a flange. Is there someone out there that has one I can weld to the header? Or do I have to break out my mad metal skills and make one? From tr6nut at verizon.net Sun Mar 3 10:23:00 2013 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Header flange In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <513386F4.9070500@verizon.net> Christopher, If you are referring to a flange to attach the header to the exhaust system, Summit Racing has them. If you are referring to the flange that bolts to the engine, I don't have a clue where you would find one. Hugh Barber On 3/3/2013 11:52 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have a header (4-2-1) that needs a flange. Is there someone out there that > has one I can weld to the header? > > Or do I have to break out my mad metal skills and make one? > _ From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 2 16:34:34 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 17:34:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open Message-ID: <728190.94090.bm@smtp105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Could someone send me a copy of the 'front page' I must have sent mine to the trash. Thanks Dennis -----Original Message----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: b3/b1/b2013 1:26 PM To: "Bob Kramer" ; "Bob Kramer" ; "Greg & Alison Blake" ; "Greg Blake" ; "Greg Blake" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open looks like my fellow Texas Friends of Triumph got front page listing for 2013 Mitty! Bob Kramer on the left and Greg Blake on the right...not too shabby! Bobby Whitehead ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Historic Sportscar Racing To: igofaster at att.net Sent: Fri, March 1, 2013 9:47:43 AM Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open HSR The Mitty. Registration open THE MITTY APRIL 26-28. 2013 FEATURING CAN-AM AND MG REGISTER ON-LINE Do the Mitty like a rock star with one of our VIP tickets: * VIP Super Ticket for Friday, Saturday and Sunday * VIP parking pass * VIP parking area near the Classic Motorsports tent * Classic Motorsports lanyard and VIP ticket holder * Coupon redeemable at the Classic Motorsports booth for an official 2013 Mitty program * VIP viewing areas with shade and water available * Touring laps Friday and Sunday * Access to the Friday and Saturday night HSR driverbs dinner and party * Access to the Classic Motorsports appreciation party * VIP paddock tours led by the Classic Motorsports staff * An entire weekend of historic racing, racing celebrities, ride and drives, and fantastic cars! Tickets will be mailed by April 1, 2013. * Price: $119 each + $3.00 shipping & handling. * To purchase and view other ticket options, * follow the link at the top of the page or phone (678) 428-7651. * Road Atlanta has been home to the Classic Motorsports Mitty since its inception, and therebs no better place or time to enjoy a motorsports daydream. Join us April 26-28, 2013, for a long weekend of action both on and off the track. HSR handles the on-track action, while the Classic Motorsports staff organizes the infield festivities. David Hobbs, our grand marshal, has run nearly everything: Can-Am, Indy, Formula 1, Formula 5000, Trans-Am, NASCAR, IMSA GTP, IROC and so much more. In recent years, he has anchored America's Formula 1 TV coverage. The 2013 Mittybs featured marque will be MG. Bring your roadster: Webll have a contest to see if we can get more MGs or Miatas on track during Saturdaybs lunch break. Bring your earplugs, too: Webll have a reunion of the classic Can-Am race series. Youbll see all your favorite food groups at speed: Shelby, Porsche, Triumph, Jaguar, MG, Alfa Romeo, Corvette, BMW, Mini, Mazda, Nissan and so many more. Jack Higginbotham, president of PRS Guitars, will play a set with his band on Saturday night! PRS Guitars also will also present a custom guitar to the owner of the hardest-rocking car at the event. Thatbs not the only fanfare scheduled for the weekend. The Mittybs infield will feature car club corrals, free test drives, tech talks, magazine project cars, evening socials and so much more. Even if youbre not a competitor, you can get your car in on this world-famous racing circuit by participating in one of the weekendbs parade laps. ________________________________ Click to view this email in a browser If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this message with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on the following link: Unsubscribe Click here to forward this email to a friend Historic Sportscar Racing. P.O. Box 8110 Clearwater, Florida 33758-8110 US Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Sun Mar 3 08:56:33 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:56:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open In-Reply-To: <6949E57D-4A1E-4D8D-9443-8F680280B07F@CENTENE.COM> References: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6949E57D-4A1E-4D8D-9443-8F680280B07F@CENTENE.COM> Message-ID: Darn Henry you are so accomadating to their event, leaving them oil and such, HSR.. is that hot soaked race track....have to admit it was alot of fun...I also haven't seen much on the event..guess I will have to look it up and see what these Texas guys are doing, the group I saw at VIR sure had it together , they darn near had their rigs in a circle like a western and the biggest tent that I have ever seen at the track yet ! a bunch of really nice racers. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:29 PM, John Wiley wrote: > Some people are so sensitive! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:09 AM, "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" < > yellow04 at tr4racer.com> > wrote: > > > Nuttin' in my email box from those guys...I'm thinking I must be > > persona-non-grata with HSR. > > > > I leave a couple pounds of busted up cast iron and a couple of quarts of > oil > > on their track, and I get snubbed. :-) > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bobby Whitehead" > > Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > > > > > > > >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- > >> From: Historic Sportscar Racing > >> To: igofaster at att.net > >> Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > >> HSR The Mitty. Registration open > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwiley at centene.com > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication contains information > intended for the use of the individuals to whom it is addressed > and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or > exempt from other disclosure under applicable law. If you are > not the intended recipient, you are notified that any disclosure, > printing, copying, distribution or use of the contents is prohibited. > If you have received this in error, please notify the sender > immediately by telephone or by returning it by return mail and then > permanently delete the communication from your system. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 3 14:34:12 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:34:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs Message-ID: Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on a TR3/4 crank? Thanks, From deruiterville at hotmail.com Sun Mar 3 18:25:25 2013 From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:25:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marty- 1/4 NPT - I bought flush mount plugs from McMaster, pn 4534K42 and they worked well for me. Randy > From: trmarty at hotmail.com > Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on a > TR3/4 crank? From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Mar 3 22:50:16 2013 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch Message-ID: Dear Listers! Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted gracefully! Many thanks Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 4 10:54:21 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:54:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net> , Message-ID: Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. Awesome old shots. Even some Kastner cars. Marty http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Mar 4 11:38:39 2013 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:38:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net>, , , , Message-ID: How 'bout Mark Donahue and His Elva Courier in there.....................Cheers Henry Morrison > From: trmarty at hotmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:54:21 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome > > Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. Awesome old > shots. Even some Kastner cars. > > Marty > > > > > > > > http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From mdporter at dfn.com Mon Mar 4 12:15:16 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 12:15:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net>, , , , Message-ID: <5134F2C4.3080706@dfn.com> On 3/4/2013 11:38 AM, Henry Morrison wrote: > How 'bout Mark Donahue and His Elva Courier in > there.....................Cheers Henry Morrison > Not to mention a shot of James Dean with the 550 Spyder in which he was killed. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Mar 4 12:30:55 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:30:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net> , Message-ID: <8FC88F0D-8A02-42AE-8E9C-380DF2A09208@comcast.net> Great pics Marty thanks for sharing. I love the ice racer and the Tasty Tasty t-shirts. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Mar 4, 2013, at 10:54 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. > Awesome old > shots. Even some Kastner cars. > > Marty > > > > > > > > http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Mar 3 19:12:12 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:12:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs References: Message-ID: Marty, if you need a tap, let me know, I probably have several. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy and Valerie DeRuiter" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs > Marty- > > 1/4 NPT - I bought flush mount plugs from McMaster, pn 4534K42 and they > worked well for me. > > Randy > >> From: trmarty at hotmail.com >> Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on >> a >> TR3/4 crank? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Mar 4 14:28:46 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:28:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: <8FC88F0D-8A02-42AE-8E9C-380DF2A09208@comcast.net> References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net> <8FC88F0D-8A02-42AE-8E9C-380DF2A09208@comcast.net> Message-ID: there are some good pictures here...good history On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Bud R wrote: > Great pics Marty thanks for sharing. > > I love the ice racer and the Tasty Tasty t-shirts. > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2013, at 10:54 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > > Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. > > Awesome old > > shots. Even some Kastner cars. > > > > Marty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Mar 4 18:46:44 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:46:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> common trade name Hollow Hex plug. Parker number 1/4 HHP-S ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter ; trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs Marty, if you need a tap, let me know, I probably have several. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy and Valerie DeRuiter" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs > Marty- > > 1/4 NPT - I bought flush mount plugs from McMaster, pn 4534K42 and they > worked well for me. > > Randy > >> From: trmarty at hotmail.com >> Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on a >> TR3/4 crank? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Mar 5 14:59:11 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 16:59:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3.89 spit diff Message-ID: Amici, I have a 3.89 spitfire diff up for sale. $50 plus shipping. Came out of a 74 spit 1500 was quiet and smooth when removed. Diff is in Bridgeville, DE 19933. However it can be in New Jersey 08360 or along the way with enough time. Contact me off list if interested. I have pictures. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 5 16:10:55 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 00:10:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition Promotion Video In-Reply-To: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201ce19f6$b247c420$16d74c60$@com> Have fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RStast23_DE Cheers Chris From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Mar 6 09:46:15 2013 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (K LYNCH) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sad news Message-ID: Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around 9:30 MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had suffered quite enough. Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 GT6 for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a penchant for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ Kev Lynch #6 GT6 RMVR From rjohns at woh.rr.com Tue Mar 5 16:33:19 2013 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:33:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Vintage racing photos Message-ID: Subject: Vintage racing photos Very interesting bunch of old photos. I am sure you all recognize Carroll Shelby in the various photos, including Le Mans. I wonder how many recognize Colin Chapman in the photo of the Lotus-Ford at Indianapolis. A couple good shots of the old Ring. That shot of the GP car with its rear wheels so high off the surface is at the Nurburg Ring. Bob Johns From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 06:08:35 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:08:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition Promotion Video In-Reply-To: <003201ce19f6$b247c420$16d74c60$@com> References: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <003201ce19f6$b247c420$16d74c60$@com> Message-ID: Nice footage..the track looks fun too On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:10 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Have fun: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RStast23_DE > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Wed Mar 6 13:09:45 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:09:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Network outage Message-ID: <5137A289.3000202@bradakis.com> Had a network outage last night. I took advantage of the downtime to do a bit of work on the server, got the forums [ link below ] working once again. mjb. From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Mar 6 13:16:13 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:16:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: RIP Clive - although I haven't been back to Colorado to visit with Clive in many years, I still treasure the times that I did get to spend with him. John On Wed, March 6, 2013 11:46 am, K LYNCH wrote: > Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around > 9:30 > MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had > suffered quite enough. > Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 > GT6 > for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. > He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a > penchant > for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. > We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the > Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ > > Kev Lynch > #6 GT6 > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Mar 6 13:24:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:24:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFE8BFC784FB36-1B94-6101@webmail-d187.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Kevin, We never met, but talked on the phone in recent months, and he spoke proudly of Ashley and her taking over driving the GT6. We hope this legacy may continue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com John On Wed, March 6, 2013 11:46 am, K LYNCH wrote: > Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around > 9:30 > MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had > suffered quite enough. > Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 > GT6 > for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. > He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a > penchant > for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. > We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the > Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ From spitlist at cox.net Wed Mar 6 13:36:10 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:36:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sad news In-Reply-To: <8CFE8BFC784FB36-1B94-6101@webmail-d187.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFE8BFC784FB36-1B94-6101@webmail-d187.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I bought one of Clive's CV-Joint conversions and between the two of us, strengthened it so that it would handle the 240 HP of my Honda engine. He was a pleasure to work with and a real gentleman. RIP Clive! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:25 PM To: klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sad news Thanks Kevin, We never met, but talked on the phone in recent months, and he spoke proudly of Ashley and her taking over driving the GT6. We hope this legacy may continue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com John On Wed, March 6, 2013 11:46 am, K LYNCH wrote: > Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around > 9:30 > MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had > suffered quite enough. > Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 > GT6 > for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. > He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a > penchant > for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. > We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the > Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Mar 5 17:22:39 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 00:22:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch Message-ID: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> I use a double disc 7.25 Quartermaster in my TR3 with great results. Tried using a single disc unit. It lasted a season but found cracks in the disc upon removal. Went back to using double disc. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 Dear Listers! Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted gracefully! Many thanks Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ 30-second trick for a flat belly This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body's #1 fat-burning hormone http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51368c85353f5c850b74st03duc From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 6 18:33:35 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 20:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch In-Reply-To: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> SPEC stage 3 paddle works great in my TR3A Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > I use a double disc 7.25 Quartermaster in my TR3 with great results. Tried > using a single disc unit. It lasted a season but found cracks in the disc > upon removal. Went back to using double disc. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > To: > Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch > Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 > > Dear Listers! > > > > Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" > Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? > > > > Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some > combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted > gracefully! > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > 30-second trick for a flat belly > This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body's #1 fat-burning hormone > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51368c85353f5c850b74st03duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Mar 7 22:51:00 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 00:51:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tattle tale Message-ID: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Hi All, are any of the guys using a Tattle Tale in your oiling system? A setup where the oil comes from the pump to a screen and then to the cooler, filter, etc. The Tattle Tale can be taken apart and the screen checked for debris from the engine, indicating a possible impending problem. I talked to Les Gonda, who runs an MGB GT V8, very quickly, I might add, and he swears by it. Thanks, Bill From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 8 05:22:33 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 07:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tattle tale In-Reply-To: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Message-ID: We run one on Jeff's TR3. It's part of our daily track service routine to check it. It's an invaluable diagnostic tool and if checked on a schedule can be the difference between a minor refresh and a major failure. Terry Stetler From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Mar 8 11:21:40 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 10:21:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] tattle tale In-Reply-To: References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Message-ID: <513A2C34.4030401@comcast.net> I use a System One inline filter on the Spitfire in addition to the normal filter. A few years back, I spun a bearing shortly after a rebuild. I was concerned that there may have been some residual debris in one of the oil lines even though they were flushed thoroughly. I installed a new oil cooler, but also wanted to make certain that there wasn't some debris left over from it's manufacturing. I installed the System One just before the oil goes back into the engine. I did catch some miniscule particles the first time or two I ran the engine. It's been totally clean since then, but it is reassuring. From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Mar 7 15:15:03 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:15:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch In-Reply-To: <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> References: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> Message-ID: I run a dual disc 7.25" Tilton because a single disc wouldn't hold on my TR6. You may want to consider the 5.5 if you can get the proper torque values with them. Follow directions CLOSELY when setting the pedal travel stop and alignment of the transmission. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 On Mar 6, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Hasty wrote: > SPEC stage 3 paddle works great in my TR3A > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > >> I use a double disc 7.25 Quartermaster in my TR3 with great results. Tried >> using a single disc unit. It lasted a season but found cracks in the disc >> upon removal. Went back to using double disc. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Peter Vucinic" >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch >> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> >> >> Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" >> Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? >> >> >> >> Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some >> combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted >> gracefully! >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Peter Vucinic >> >> TR-4 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> 30-second trick for a flat belly >> This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body's #1 fat-burning hormone >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51368c85353f5c850b74st03duc >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 7 19:10:32 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 20:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Spring race report "delayed" Message-ID: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> We had a very exciting weekend at Texas World Speedway for CVARs Spring drivers school weekend Feb 22-24. CVAR politics aside, it was a great weekend. We had a record number (I believe) Triumphs participating. The list included: Bob Fire Ball Kramer - TR4a Andrew Smokey Kramer - TR4 Bob sticky piston Blake - TR4 Greg Blake - TR3  cant nick name myself I am sure someone will offer one Bill dip stick Collins - Spit Joe fiddle bits Hovey - Spit Jim Lee and son Philip - TR4 Philip was taking drivers school so no nick name yet Dave Foreman  Spit also taking drivers school Duncan Charlton - Morgan Piers Gormly  Morgan that looked somewhat similar to a green 911 this weekend for some reason And of course Bobby lefty Whitehead in his super powered monster car. We strongly encouraged Bobby to get that GT6 back into shape. Bobby already posted a pretty good recap of the weekend, to summarize, it was great. From my perspective there were several significant things that made this weekend so special. First, CVAR decided to break up group 7 which typically has CP, DP, and BS. DP and BS went to group 2 which is the home to EP and FP along with a few others. This meant that we had all of the Triumphs (except those in school) on track at the same time. The second thing was that sticky piston Blake finally got a checkered flag in the Sunday PM race. For most of us that have had the good fortune of the TR gods looking over our engines and keeping them together this does not seem like some great accomplishment. Well, for dad, it was. This was the first checkered flag in 18 months. In the past 18 months the engine has been out for full rebuild twice, head off countless times, and liners/pistons replaced multiple times. He seemed to have solved the sticky piston issue he was having and finally made it through a weekend. We were all very excited to see him take the checkered on Sunday afternoon. I am looking forward to watching dad get more seat time and less wrench time, it is well over due. Some of you will remmebr he got only 7 or 8 laps at Road Atlanta back in April. The group 2 races were fun. Saturday morning I was having trouble getting any temperature into my engine and only did one full lap during P&Q. This led to a fun back of the pack start for the race. Video link I had to cut the video in editing so it ends right after making the pass of the B Sedan. Not much in the race happened after this. I eventually caught but could not safely pass a BDA powered Escort. Fireball bought some new tires on Saturday evening and was ready for battle on Sunday morning. About > through the race my mirror was filled with Bobs grill, I knew he was coming. Turn 14 and I found myself watching the mirror and my normal breaking point was a distant memory when I finally clamped the binders. I went a little deep. I recovered only for a horrible entry to 15 and I went 4 off to the outside after being unable to coax the overwhelmed front tires to turn in. Since this was the penultimate lap, and I was right at the entry to the hot pits, I went in. I later told Bob that he was the reason for my first 4 off in the TR3. Needless to say he was all too happy to have assisted in that effort. Video link . I was ready for a rematch in the afternoon when it seemed fate took another turn with Dads car. There were electrical issues brewing and a quick look around we found a half melted battery in the trunk. Apparently the positive post did not like to be in contact with the metal hold down strap. Dad had a minor off of his own earlier and we figured the battery moved around a bit. We quickly loaded my car on the trailer and put my battery in dads car so he could get more seat time. That turned out to be a great choice since he finally got his checkered in that last Sunday race. A great weekend in all. We welcomed 2 new TR racers to the TxFOT, removed two transmissions, fixed two rear mounts, changed a head gasket, removed a broken ring gear, re-plumbed two cooling systems, swapped a battery, swapped a clutch slave cylinder, and fixed a smoky TR4. Oh and we watched Piers simply climb in that 911 and turn the key From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 7 21:20:24 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 22:20:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Spring race report "delayed" In-Reply-To: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> Message-ID: I was a little pesky looking in the mirrors. I wasnt happy you went off, just happy to get by. In the video it looks like you had a chance to save it. I promise I wouldnt have hit you! Gad you moved the camera for video 2 -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 8:11 PM To: 'Triumph Friends of' Cc: 'Robert Blake'; 'Bob Kramer'; 'Bobby Whitehead'; 'Piers Gormly'; 'Joe Hovey'; 'William Collins'; 'Duncan Charlton'; 'Dave Foreman' Subject: CVAR Spring race report "delayed" We had a very exciting weekend at Texas World Speedway for CVARs Spring drivers school weekend Feb 22-24. CVAR politics aside, it was a great weekend. We had a record number (I believe) Triumphs participating. The list included: Bob Fire Ball Kramer - TR4a Andrew Smokey Kramer - TR4 Bob sticky piston Blake - TR4 Greg Blake - TR3  cant nick name myself I am sure someone will offer one Bill dip stick Collins - Spit Joe fiddle bits Hovey - Spit Jim Lee and son Philip - TR4 Philip was taking drivers school so no nick name yet Dave Foreman  Spit also taking drivers school Duncan Charlton - Morgan Piers Gormly  Morgan that looked somewhat similar to a green 911 this weekend for some reason And of course Bobby lefty Whitehead in his super powered monster car. We strongly encouraged Bobby to get that GT6 back into shape. Bobby already posted a pretty good recap of the weekend, to summarize, it was great. From my perspective there were several significant things that made this weekend so special. First, CVAR decided to break up group 7 which typically has CP, DP, and BS. DP and BS went to group 2 which is the home to EP and FP along with a few others. This meant that we had all of the Triumphs (except those in school) on track at the same time. The second thing was that sticky piston Blake finally got a checkered flag in the Sunday PM race. For most of us that have had the good fortune of the TR gods looking over our engines and keeping them together this does not seem like some great accomplishment. Well, for dad, it was. This was the first checkered flag in 18 months. In the past 18 months the engine has been out for full rebuild twice, head off countless times, and liners/pistons replaced multiple times. He seemed to have solved the sticky piston issue he was having and finally made it through a weekend. We were all very excited to see him take the checkered on Sunday afternoon. I am looking forward to watching dad get more seat time and less wrench time, it is well over due. Some of you will remmebr he got only 7 or 8 laps at Road Atlanta back in April. The group 2 races were fun. Saturday morning I was having trouble getting any temperature into my engine and only did one full lap during P&Q. This led to a fun back of the pack start for the race. Video link I had to cut the video in editing so it ends right after making the pass of the B Sedan. Not much in the race happened after this. I eventually caught but could not safely pass a BDA powered Escort. Fireball bought some new tires on Saturday evening and was ready for battle on Sunday morning. About > through the race my mirror was filled with Bobs grill, I knew he was coming. Turn 14 and I found myself watching the mirror and my normal breaking point was a distant memory when I finally clamped the binders. I went a little deep. I recovered only for a horrible entry to 15 and I went 4 off to the outside after being unable to coax the overwhelmed front tires to turn in. Since this was the penultimate lap, and I was right at the entry to the hot pits, I went in. I later told Bob that he was the reason for my first 4 off in the TR3. Needless to say he was all too happy to have assisted in that effort. Video link. I was ready for a rematch in the afternoon when it seemed fate took another turn with Dads car. There were electrical issues brewing and a quick look around we found a half melted battery in the trunk. Apparently the positive post did not like to be in contact with the metal hold down strap. Dad had a minor off of his own earlier and we figured the battery moved around a bit. We quickly loaded my car on the trailer and put my battery in dads car so he could get more seat time. That turned out to be a great choice since he finally got his checkered in that last Sunday race. A great weekend in all. We welcomed 2 new TR racers to the TxFOT, removed two transmissions, fixed two rear mounts, changed a head gasket, removed a broken ring gear, re-plumbed two cooling systems, swapped a battery, swapped a clutch slave cylinder, and fixed a smoky TR4. Oh and we watched Piers simply climb in that 911 and turn the key From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 05:26:58 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:26:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch In-Reply-To: References: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8DCB1240-E5F8-4BD8-85EF-6E24E672DBA1@yahoo.com> Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 On Mar 7, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > I run a dual disc 7.25" Tilton because a single disc wouldn't hold on my TR6. You may want to consider the 5.5 if you can get the proper torque values with them. Follow directions CLOSELY when setting the pedal travel stop and alignment of the transmission. > > Mike Munson > #28 EP TR6 From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 10:09:35 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:09:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Spring race report "delayed" In-Reply-To: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> References: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <623DB52B-E73B-4F68-B8F8-05409E7ADBEE@gmail.com> Nice overtake of Andrew's smoker on the outside at turn 7. Duncan From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 8 11:41:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:41:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: NEW FOT Lister JON GANNAWAY TR4/TR6 San Francisco Area In-Reply-To: <8CFEA3A0F31373F-19A0-13076@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFEA3A0F31373F-19A0-13076@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFEA43BD621584-19A0-144F0@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot ; jgannaway Sent: Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:32 am Subject: NEW FOT Lister JON GANNAWAY TR4/TR6 San Francisco Area Please welcome Jon Gannaway from California (jgannaway at calstar.org) I believe that Jon raced a Spitfire at one time. I believe that Jon currently owns a TR4 that once was owned by his father. Jon also has a TR6 that he is preparing for vintage racing with his son. He plans to prepare it modestly and to CSRG specs....kind of like Bill Tobin, methinks. This is our kind of guy..... Thank you....I am sure that Jon will add to or correct my introduction when he is ready. Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 8 18:06:30 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:06:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 seat pans? Message-ID: <513A8B16.9040903@bradakis.com> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=142 mjb. From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Mar 8 18:43:53 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 17:43:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Adjusting front camber on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Message-ID: <1362793433.12371.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I can't find the email now but an FOTer told be me a simple way to get negative camber. I believe it is to reverse the upper wishbone and I believe it gives approx. 2 1/2 degrees of negative camber. Right now I have 3/4 degree of negative camber using shims and I am getting considerable wear on the outside shoulder of my tires. My TR6 is used exclusively for autocrossing and an occasional hillclimb with no street use. What is the maximum camber I should have without causing issues? Also, what are the issues that start happening with extreme camber (2 1/2 to 3 degrees)? Thanks for any help on this. Jim From goodparts at verizon.net Fri Mar 8 21:00:39 2013 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 23:00:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting front camber on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <1362793433.12371.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> <1362793433.12371.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring. Richard Good -------------------------------------------------- From: "sherry robyn" Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:43 PM To: Subject: [Fot] Adjusting front camber on a TR6 > I can't find the email now but an FOTer told be me a simple way to get > negative > camber. I believe it is to reverse the upper wishbone and I believe > it gives > approx. 2 1/2 degrees of negative camber. Right now I have 3/4 > degree of > negative camber using shims and I am getting considerable wear on > the outside > shoulder of my tires. My TR6 is used exclusively for > autocrossing and an > occasional hillclimb with no street use. What is the > maximum camber I should > have without causing issues? Also, what are the > issues that start happening > with extreme camber (2 1/2 to 3 degrees)? Thanks > for any help on this. Jim > _______________________________________________ From JGannaway at calstar.org Fri Mar 8 22:22:33 2013 From: JGannaway at calstar.org (Jon Gannaway) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 05:22:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Message-ID: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions would be helpful. Jon Gannaway 831-402-4080 Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Mar 9 09:35:38 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:35:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Message-ID: <7bd6.5e1c31c0.3e6cbeda@cs.com> Jon, We (and several others) have sectioned the wishbones to shorten and adjust to about 2.5 degrees, as I remember it. On the other end of the spectrum, Gary Horskorta (in your neighborhood) developed fixturing to produce a fully adjustable upper A-arm. If you scroll to the bottom, you will see "Archive: http://www.team.net/archive". This subject has come up several times and you may be able to glean some information from there. I dont know what Dave Hogye did, but whatever it was, it would be first cabin. He might jump in on this The list seems a bit quiet right now with folks getting ready for the season. Welcome aboard to the FOT.. Hop on a plane with your son and join us at Road America in September. We will be all paddocked together in what seems to be the best Kastner Cup we have ever had. A lot of activities, track touring, notables from all over North America, and about 10-15 Triumph guys from Europe and the U.K. Memorable. Joe (A) > I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for > simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions > would be helpful. > > Jon Gannaway > 831-402-4080 > > > _____ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > > From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 9 12:14:09 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 13:14:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calst ar.corp> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> Message-ID: What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. Tony Richard's message if you missed it: "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for >simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions >would be helpful. > >Jon Gannaway >831-402-4080 > > >Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents >accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but >not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 >and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the >individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are >not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly >authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents >of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have >received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by >sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of >this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Mar 9 12:39:31 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 19:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <7bd6.5e1c31c0.3e6cbeda@cs.com> Message-ID: <828964708.357742.1362857971765.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello Jon, Welcome to the FoT. Thanks Joe, for linking me in to this topic. I too would scan the archives for suspension information. First and foremost, all TR3/4 suspension modifications involve switching to TR4A/TR6 upper A-arms and 3 degree caster trunnion. I believe the early TR4s had the 0 degree trunnion as did the TR2/3. Jon, if that's what is on your car, it has to be changed. Tony Drews documented this extensively on his website, tonydrews.com. Tony changes everything to TR4A/TR6, including the upright. The through bolt trunnion is one of the best aspects of this change. This trunnion makes further adjustments and servicing much easier. I used the RevingtonTR adjustable fulcrum pivot on my TR3. I thought it was a good compromise to the cut and shut a-arm method and adjustable rod end type. However, I do think that the adjustable rod end is the best way to go and that is what Gary has fine tuned. I know that a few others have used the rod end modification, including uncle jack. The Revington TR fulcrum pin spaces the a-arms outward and I had a clearance issue on the inner wheel well body work on my TR3. I trimmed the pin as much as I could beyond the Nyloc nut fastener and tweaked the body work slightly. With the outward spacing on the a-arms they use spacers on each side of the ball joint. This can cause clearance problems between the a-arm and the wheel. I experienced this on one side and made further adjustments. I know a TR2 and a TR3 racer that use the Revington design, they race with HMSA. Come to think of it, these guys should be in the FoT. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: JGannaway at calstar.org, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:35:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Jon, We (and several others) have sectioned the wishbones to shorten and adjust to about 2.5 degrees, as I remember it. On the other end of the spectrum, Gary Horskorta (in your neighborhood) developed fixturing to produce a fully adjustable upper A-arm. If you scroll to the bottom, you will see "Archive: http://www.team.net/archive". This subject has come up several times and you may be able to glean some information from there. I dont know what Dave Hogye did, but whatever it was, it would be first cabin. He might jump in on this The list seems a bit quiet right now with folks getting ready for the season. Welcome aboard to the FOT.. Hop on a plane with your son and join us at Road America in September. We will be all paddocked together in what seems to be the best Kastner Cup we have ever had. A lot of activities, track touring, notables from all over North America, and about 10-15 Triumph guys from Europe and the U.K. Memorable. Joe (A) > I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for > simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions > would be helpful. > > Jon Gannaway > 831-402-4080 > > > _____ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sat Mar 9 18:58:38 2013 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:58:38 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> Message-ID: Have a look at the MOSS 1.5 DEG Negative Camber Vertical links. TT3003 Easy and cost effective! Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jon Gannaway Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 4:23 PM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions would be helpful. Jon Gannaway 831-402-4080 Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 09:42:45 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:42:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> <20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. Larry On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as > well. > > Tony > > Richard's message if you missed it: > "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the > control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I > remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing > the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts > holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball > joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin > the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other > side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but > reverses the fulcrum. > > Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I > run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on > 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my > unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt > holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires > off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 > degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I > backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to > a slightly stiffer spring." > > At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am >> looking for >> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any >> suggestions >> would be helpful. >> >> Jon Gannaway >> 831-402-4080 >> >> >> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the >> documents >> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, >> including, but >> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability >> Act of 1996 >> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the >> use of the >> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. >> If you are >> not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not >> properly >> authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >> disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the >> contents >> of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If >> you have >> received this information in error, please notify the sender >> immediately by >> sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the >> deletion of >> this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 12:24:01 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:24:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <513CB149.30507@sri.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> <20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <513CB149.30507@sri.com> Message-ID: <513CCFC1.40007@pobox.com> Here is a photo of some upper A arms I did to give 2 degrees negative camber on my TR3 (now John Hasty's) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/53707928 at N02 Cut off the end, drill new holes at the correct location. The short piece of pipe supports the hole that is not on the flat part. This looks much nicer than cutting a piece out of the middle and welding them back together. From geometric calculations it takes about 0.174 inches to change the camber 1 degree. I believe this agrees with the numbers that Richard Good had in his post. Larry On 3/10/2013 11:14 AM, Cregg Cowan wrote: > Yes, please do send or post photos. > Thank you! > > Cregg From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 12:29:34 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:29:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <513CD10E.5030209@pobox.com> I believe this was intended for the list. I accidentally send to the sender all the time -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:58:16 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: Larry Young I was probably the first to turn the upper "A" arm fulcrum around back in 1958 trying to get some negative camber. This move does not give enough change in the camber. You just about have the wheel straight up only, eleminating the factory setting of positive camber. In the end I had to bend the verticle link to get the desired two degrees negative. I describe several other methods of achieving a negative camber in my first book, the Triumph Preparation Handbook, try pages 202-205 for some more information.. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Larry Young > wrote: It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. Larry On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. Tony Richard's message if you missed it: "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions would be helpful. Jon Gannaway 831-402-4080 Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun Mar 10 16:35:08 2013 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:35:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> Message-ID: <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 deg. positive. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 > It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a > TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it > takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 > degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have > to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the > suspension on my TR3 (see > http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat > way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that > does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is > interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that > do not permit Heim joints, etc. > Larry > > On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >> What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as >> well. >> >> Tony >> >> Richard's message if you missed it: >> "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control >> arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my >> calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms >> from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the >> tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole >> assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees >> then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps >> the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. >> >> Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run >> for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" >> rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my >> unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt >> holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off >> and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees >> but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off >> to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly >> stiffer spring." >> >> At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >>> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking >>> for >>> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any >>> suggestions >>> would be helpful. >>> >>> Jon Gannaway >>> 831-402-4080 >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the >>> documents >>> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >>> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, >>> including, but >>> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act >>> of 1996 >>> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use >>> of the >>> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If >>> you are >>> not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not >>> properly >>> authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >>> disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the >>> contents >>> of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you >>> have >>> received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately >>> by >>> sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the >>> deletion of >>> this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 17:36:59 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:36:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <513D191B.7080508@pobox.com> My TR3 had the original suspension A arm system before with 0 caster. If you Iook at my report, I measured something a bit less than 2 degrees camber and not the same from side to side. I chaulked that up to wear and tear. I did not see an appreciable change in the camber when I switched to the the TR4 A arms with 3 degrees of caster. Also, the amount I had to shorten the A arms agreed with the value I calculated from measurements, i.e. 0.174 inches/deg. I thought the change in the stock camber started with the adjustable camber system installled in the TR4A. I haven't researched this, so perhaps someone else has some verification. Larry On 3/10/2013 5:35 PM, Stutzmans wrote: > Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to > what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions > (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 > deg. positive. > Bruce From mark at bradakis.com Mon Mar 11 18:40:59 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:40:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Clive Message-ID: <513E799B.8000808@bradakis.com> I liked the posts about Clive on facebook, nicely done. mjb. From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 18:40:37 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:40:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> Message-ID: <513D2805.1010801@pobox.com> I think that is the same software I used. I did not find an appreciable difference between the two methods (shortening the A arms or moving the pivots inwards). You don't really need suspension software to look at this simple stuff. I found a spreadsheet agreed with it and was not as cumbersome. On 3/10/2013 7:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:I > According to the analysis I did with my suspension software (SuspPro) the most useful way to change camber on a TR3 is to move the upper arms inward and kee.p them the same length. I use the TR6 bits to get caster and cut the upper arms to add heim joints to make an adjustable arm, but the length is close to stock, just has the pivot moved inwards. > > If you shorten the upper A arms you wind up with a lot of camber at full bump. It's also pretty hard to get the bump steer out with shorter arms, the outer pivot point moves well inside the lower pivot. From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 13:06:42 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:06:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <513CD10E.5030209@pobox.com> References: <513CD10E.5030209@pobox.com> Message-ID: *Never be beaten by equipment.* > I was probably the first to turn the upper "A" arm fulcrum around back > in 1958 trying to get some negative camber. This move does not give > enough change in the camber. You just about have the wheel straight up > only, eleminating the factory setting of positive camber. > In the end I had to bend the verticle link to get the desired two > degrees negative. I describe several other methods of achieving a > negative camber in my first book, the Triumph Preparation Handbook, > try pages 202-205 for some more information.. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Larry Young > wrote: > > It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber > for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 > degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a > little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as > many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote > a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see > http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is > a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob > Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a > photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not > obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. > Larry > > On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the > TR-4 as well. > > Tony > > Richard's message if you missed it: > "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the > control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber > if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without > removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four > bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through > the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the > fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the > whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the > front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. > > Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's > that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are > 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the > tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and > then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I > just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly > even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the > inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees > to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer > spring." > > At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: > > I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I > am looking for > simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. > Any suggestions > would be helpful. > > Jon Gannaway > 831-402-4080 > > > Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or > the documents > accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain > confidential health > information that is legally protected by state and federal > law, including, but > not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and > Accountability Act of 1996 > and related regulations. This information is intended only > for the use of the > individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is > addressed. If you are > not the intended recipient of this information, or if you > are not properly > authorized to receive this information, you are hereby > notified that any > disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in > reliance on the contents > of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly > prohibited. If you have > received this information in error, please notify the sender > immediately by > sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for > the deletion of > this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any > attached documents. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 10 13:01:41 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:01:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Message-ID: I had this mod done on my first TR4. The idea was from Graham Davies, a british car mechanic who used to have a shop here in Austin. He mocked it up on the car to get the desired camber, drilled holes and cut the tubes to fit and bolted it all together to a loose ball joint to spot weld. Once you round off the corners with a grinder it looks OEM. I'm about to embark in this mod on my son's car when I convert the suspension to TR6. Bob Kramer Sent from my Samsung Galaxy TabLarry Young wrote:Here is a photo of some upper A arms I did to give 2 degrees negative camber on my TR3 (now John Hasty's) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/53707928 at N02 Cut off the end, drill new holes at the correct location.B The short piece of pipe supports the hole that is not on the flat part. This looks much nicer than cutting a piece out of the middle and welding them back together. From geometric calculations it takes about 0.174 inches to change the camber 1 degree.B I believe this agrees with the numbers that Richard Good had in his post. Larry On 3/10/2013 11:14 AM, Cregg Cowan wrote: > Yes, please do send or post photos. > Thank you! > > Cregg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 18:06:07 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:06:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> According to the analysis I did with my suspension software (SuspPro) the most useful way to change camber on a TR3 is to move the upper arms inward and keep them the same length. I use the TR6 bits to get caster and cut the upper arms to add heim joints to make an adjustable arm, but the length is close to stock, just has the pivot moved inwards. If you shorten the upper A arms you wind up with a lot of camber at full bump. It's also pretty hard to get the bump steer out with shorter arms, the outer pivot point moves well inside the lower pivot. On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Stutzmans" wrote: > Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 deg. positive. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 > > >> It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. >> Larry >> >> On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >>> What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> Richard's message if you missed it: >>> "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. >>> >>> Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." >>> >>> At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >>>> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for >>>> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions >>>> would be helpful. >>>> >>>> Jon Gannaway >>>> 831-402-4080 >>>> >>>> >>>> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents >>>> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >>>> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but >>>> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 >>>> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the >>>> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are >>>> not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly >>>> authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >>>> disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents >>>> of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have >>>> received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by >>>> sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of >>>> this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From rjohns at woh.rr.com Mon Mar 11 19:42:29 2013 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:42:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Simplified Triumph History from Jeff Kelly Message-ID: <84F65CEEECC34AD19E6E3B608E366583@Bucktailus> When the question came up recently of the connection between Triumph Motorcycles and Cars, I asked the judgment of a friend of ours, that strongly supports FOT. He is a member of VTR and TRA, and an expert and concurs judge on originally items on TR2s and TR3s. I think we should invite him to join us on the list. He will be a strong contributing member. Bob Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Kelley To: Robert Johns Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:17 PM Subject: Simplified Triumph History A little late and very simple. There is some disagreement on the exact dates. 1984 Siegfried Bettmann arrives in London 1985 Bettmann becomes a salesman for the White Sewing Machine Co. 1986 Williams Andrews Co in Birmingham builds "Triumph" bicycles for Bettmann 1987 Bettmann with Mauritz Schulte starts building Triumph bicycles in Coventry 1895 Dunlop invests in Triumph 1903 Start production of motorcycles 1911 Bettmann helps Reginald Maudslay regain control of Standard Motor Co as chairman. 1913 Bettmann becomes Lord Mayor Coventry 1923 Start production of cars in Coventry 1931 Bicycle business is sold off mid-1930's Donald Healy provides technical know-how. 1936 Car production and Motorcycles split Bettmann comes out of retirement to manage the motorcycles. 1939 Triumph is bankrupt 1940 Triumph is bought by Thomas Ward Ltd. Nov 24, 1944 Standard Motor Co buys Triumph 1951 Bettmann dies From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Mar 11 19:51:51 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Simplified Triumph History from Jeff Kelly In-Reply-To: <84F65CEEECC34AD19E6E3B608E366583@Bucktailus> References: <84F65CEEECC34AD19E6E3B608E366583@Bucktailus> Message-ID: <8CFECDB4C8FB20E-EE8-4BD29@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> Bring Jeff Kelly On! I see an asset here. Bob, you need to supply Jeff's email address to Mark Bradakis. We will be looking forward to seeing you both at the KASTNER CUP. We need to get the word out to TRA, as well..... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Johns To: FOT team Cc: Joe Alexander Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:42 pm Subject: Fw: Simplified Triumph History from Jeff Kelly When the question came up recently of the connection between Triumph Motorcycles and Cars, I asked the judgment of a friend of ours, that strongly supports FOT. He is a member of VTR and TRA, and an expert and concurs judge on originally items on TR2s and TR3s. I think we should invite him to join us on the list. He will be a strong contributing member. Bob Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Kelley To: Robert Johns Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:17 PM Subject: Simplified Triumph History A little late and very simple. There is some disagreement on the exact dates. 1984 Siegfried Bettmann arrives in London 1985 Bettmann becomes a salesman for the White Sewing Machine Co. 1986 Williams Andrews Co in Birmingham builds "Triumph" bicycles for Bettmann 1987 Bettmann with Mauritz Schulte starts building Triumph bicycles in Coventry 1895 Dunlop invests in Triumph 1903 Start production of motorcycles 1911 Bettmann helps Reginald Maudslay regain control of Standard Motor Co as chairman. 1913 Bettmann becomes Lord Mayor Coventry 1923 Start production of cars in Coventry 1931 Bicycle business is sold off mid-1930's Donald Healy provides technical know-how. 1936 Car production and Motorcycles split Bettmann comes out of retirement to manage the motorcycles. 1939 Triumph is bankrupt 1940 Triumph is bought by Thomas Ward Ltd. Nov 24, 1944 Standard Motor Co buys Triumph 1951 Bettmann dies From mark at bradakis.com Mon Mar 11 20:52:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:52:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Simplified Triumph History from Jeff Kelly In-Reply-To: <8CFECDB4C8FB20E-EE8-4BD29@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> References: <84F65CEEECC34AD19E6E3B608E366583@Bucktailus> <8CFECDB4C8FB20E-EE8-4BD29@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <513E9850.9090803@bradakis.com> Joe Alexander wrote: > Bring Jeff Kelly On! I see an asset here. > > Bob, you need to supply Jeff's email address to Mark Bradakis. > > Yes, please do. And I fixed some of the typos in the archived copy of the message. mjb. From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Mar 12 08:41:47 2013 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:41:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Sold at Gooding Auction for $55K! Message-ID: <00d401ce1f2f$b9e1ccb0$2da56610$@org> WOW, it looks really nice, but jeez! Auction madness? http://www.goodingco.com/car/1957-triumph-tr3-0 Gooding & Company Auction at Amelia Island this past weekend. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 12 23:15:01 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:15:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Forums Message-ID: <51400B55.6080103@bradakis.com> I have fixed the problem with new registrations for the forums [ link below ] so those who are not already registered can sign up. mjb. From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Mar 13 10:06:24 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare Message-ID: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) Looking for some advice on keeping a spare engine. Is it must to finish a season? Should I have one done for me? Should I have the head done and build block myself? How long would it take? I have a complete spare (hasn't run in a long time) Not looking for anything extreme, just a good strong unit. I have a lot to learn about racing and don't plan on pushing car real hard. I want to learn and get lots of track time this season. MONEY IS AN ISSUE!!! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 13 11:56:03 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:56:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare In-Reply-To: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> References: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Message-ID: <073245101C9449B29253C63A27F880E8@gdhs.local> Mike: My experience says you ought to have a spare if you plan any long trips to race. I went all the way to Mosport from Charlotte only to have the motor pitch a rod in the 2nd practice session. I now have a fully prepared spare engine, but lucky for me havn't had to use it yet in over 1 1/2 yrs. However, if cost is a problem, forget it. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:06 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) Looking for some advice on keeping a spare engine. Is it must to finish a season? Should I have one done for me? Should I have the head done and build block myself? How long would it take? I have a complete spare (hasn't run in a long time) Not looking for anything extreme, just a good strong unit. I have a lot to learn about racing and don't plan on pushing car real hard. I want to learn and get lots of track time this season. MONEY IS AN ISSUE!!! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 12:34:56 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare In-Reply-To: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> References: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Message-ID: Mike, Your engine's spec sounds identical to mine except that I have a Babe Erson 300 cam (I didn't look at the Tilden Cams chart yet how that compares to yours). I keep the rpm below 6200 most of the time and there are probably ten race weekends on the engine, with the only "failure" being that compression is not what it once was. That said, it's time for me to start getting my spare engine ready... Duncan Texas 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (TR4 engine) #6 red On Mar 13, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary > Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, > carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) From malaboge at aol.com Wed Mar 13 12:36:05 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare In-Reply-To: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> References: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Message-ID: <8CFEE30C11DEF07-9B0-1200C@webmail-d295.sysops.aol.com> Mike, There is an interesting corollary that Ibve come to believein whole-heartedlyb&whatever spare you have with you will not be needed. Back in the day, other racers often commentedon the odd spares I brought with me to the track. ALL of those spares represented a problemthat had occurred during my racing career. Amazingly, I canbt recall everhaving to utilize 99% of those spares a second time although I helped many a TRracer with those uncommon spares. The look on their faces when I pulled thepiece they needed from the truck was worth the trouble! You will have manyissues yourself, and you can start your own pile-o-spares. With that in mind, no matter what level of experience youuse to build a spare motor, you will always have bthe good motorb and the bbackupbb&theybrenever the same, even with the same parts installed. So, I would have someone do a head for youand build the best bottom end you can. The time will come that you will have a tired/broken motor and anupcoming race that you really want to attendb&time for that bother motorbb&youbllbe glad you did. Of course you should do the engine build yourself, thatbsthe best feeling, going around the track on your own sweat and equity! Sweatin in Nor Cal Nick Good luck with Gary's old car, it will be missed here in Nor Cal...one less TR in the area. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Moore To: fot Sent: Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:06 am Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) Looking for some advice on keeping a spare engine. Is it must to finish a season? Should I have one done for me? Should I have the head done and build block myself? How long would it take? I have a complete spare (hasn't run in a long time) Not looking for anything extreme, just a good strong unit. I have a lot to learn about racing and don't plan on pushing car real hard. I want to learn and get lots of track time this season. MONEY IS AN ISSUE!!! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 12 21:07:31 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:07:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000501ce1f97$e7d48370$b77d8a50$@com> Bill, I'm not sure I follow the modification you did. You said you made adjustable upper A-arms with Heim joints, which I'm familiar with. But then you said the length is close to stock and the pivot moved inward. Do you mean the inner pivot rod on the frame or the outer ball joint pivot? And when others have done the modification of shortening the upper A-arms by cutting a section out and then re-welding the remaining pieces back together, they have reported having to shorten the A-arm by about 1/2 inch to get the - 3 degrees camber. Did you not have to shorten your Heim joint A-arms by about 1/2 inch also? Thanks. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:06 PM To: Stutzmans Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 According to the analysis I did with my suspension software (SuspPro) the most useful way to change camber on a TR3 is to move the upper arms inward and keep them the same length. I use the TR6 bits to get caster and cut the upper arms to add heim joints to make an adjustable arm, but the length is close to stock, just has the pivot moved inwards. If you shorten the upper A arms you wind up with a lot of camber at full bump. It's also pretty hard to get the bump steer out with shorter arms, the outer pivot point moves well inside the lower pivot. On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Stutzmans" wrote: > Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 deg. positive. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 > > >> It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. >> Larry >> >> On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >>> What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> Richard's message if you missed it: >>> "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. >>> >>> Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." >>> >>> At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >>>> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for >>>> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions >>>> would be helpful. >>>> >>>> Jon Gannaway >>>> 831-402-4080 >>>> >>>> >>>> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents >>>> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >>>> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but >>>> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 >>>> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the >>>> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are >>>> not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly >>>> authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >>>> disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents >>>> of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have >>>> received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by >>>> sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of >>>> this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 13 15:31:17 2013 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp at rogers.com) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:31:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie Message-ID: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 13 17:57:27 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:57:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Air Fuel meter Message-ID: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> Anyone using this AFM gauge? Any issues with leaded fuel as instructions say it will shorten sensor life? AEM Electronics Digital Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits 30-4100 Thanks, Greg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Mar 14 02:25:02 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:25:02 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Air Fuel meter In-Reply-To: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> References: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000701ce208d$6db180b0$49148210$@com> I'm using a Innovate System at my dasboard and have it also linked to my datalogger system so that I can see it in my videos. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vdMBHNHdTaM/T3OKEvvi9sI/AAAAAAAABRw/4-vAe 94k8Sg/s983/DSC02630.JPG Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg & Alison Blake Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Mdrz 2013 00:57 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: [Fot] Air Fuel meter Anyone using this AFM gauge? Any issues with leaded fuel as instructions say it will shorten sensor life? AEM Electronics Digital Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits 30-4100 Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 14 09:36:04 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:36:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 14 09:45:33 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:45:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Watch and laugh Message-ID: <506D58250B62401DBF2CB167DA3EF9B9@gdhs.local> I know this isn't about our passion, but it is funny as heck...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. 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John Lye) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:14:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Watch and laugh In-Reply-To: <506D58250B62401DBF2CB167DA3EF9B9@gdhs.local> References: <506D58250B62401DBF2CB167DA3EF9B9@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <71e77a7bed782bfefb5f4fda19851fc7.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Candid Camera returns! Very funny, thanks. John On Thu, March 14, 2013 11:45 am, john hasty wrote: > I know this isn't about our passion, but it is funny as heck...... > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information > that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > > > > _____ > > From: Ron Meade [mailto:ronmeade at zoominternet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:30 PM > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Subject: Fw: Watch and laugh > > > > Subject: Watch and laugh > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > http://www.pepsimax.com/TestDrive > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 10:19:57 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:19:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> Message-ID: I appreciate you sharing that...that was really good stuff ! On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:31 PM, wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 > > &feature=player_detailpage > > > > I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked > the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 14 09:49:36 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:49:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> Thanks John...I(and quite a few FOT folks) raced the original Laguna Seca many times...THAT was fast!...With a huge 'pucker factor' in turns 2 and 3..It was changed to make it long enough for Grand Prix Motocycles. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 14 10:11:57 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> Message-ID: <51B04DC16A6940C9963D37771488369D@gdhs.local> Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:50 AM To: 'john hasty'; macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: RE: [Fot] Triumph Movie Thanks John...I(and quite a few FOT folks) raced the original Laguna Seca many times...THAT was fast!...With a huge 'pucker factor' in turns 2 and 3..It was changed to make it long enough for Grand Prix Motocycles. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 13:20:10 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:20:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Air Fuel meter/ Auto Meter In-Reply-To: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> References: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Greg, I use an Auto Meter wide band gauge that has an output for D. A. I have not had any issues yet but have been told when the sensor gets dirty you can heat the tips up to glowing red with a torch to clean them. BTW, Fellow FOT member Mark Craig has saved a lot of us quite a bit of money on Auto Meter brand gauges. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Greg & Alison Blake" wrote: > Anyone using this AFM gauge? Any issues with leaded fuel as instructions > say it will shorten sensor life? > > AEM Electronics Digital Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits 30-4100 > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu Mar 14 13:16:53 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:16:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <51B04DC16A6940C9963D37771488369D@gdhs.local> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> <51B04DC16A6940C9963D37771488369D@gdhs.local> Message-ID: "The Gravity Cavity"... lots of national championships won and lost there. Too bad it is no more. I can only image how awesome that downhill plunge was "back in the day" Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "john hasty" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 To: ; ; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:50 AM To: 'john hasty'; macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: RE: [Fot] Triumph Movie Thanks John...I(and quite a few FOT folks) raced the original Laguna Seca many times...THAT was fast!...With a huge 'pucker factor' in turns 2 and 3..It was changed to make it long enough for Grand Prix Motocycles. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Mar 14 13:39:04 2013 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:39:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] FW: Watch and laugh Message-ID: <1987935.1839118.1363289944368.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Mar 15 20:28:39 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:28:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] NecksGen Safety Alert (head and neck restraint device) Message-ID: A safety warning for anyone using a NecksGen head and neck restraint device! Check your hardware to be sure all twelve bolts, washers, and nuts are there and if it didn't come with thread locker on all of the bolts, remove all twelve bolts and use some blue Loc-Tite on the threads before reassembling. At my last race I sat on the grid warming up when I realized there was something seriously wrong with my NecksGen head and neck restraint. The tab that goes into the helmet was lying on the passenger seat so I raced without it. I later found that several pieces of hardware had simply come apart, including in the angle adjustment area, which I had tightened myself. However, there also appeared to be two missing bolts that attach the helmet straps to the main body of the device, but I could not find these pieces anywhere. I found a few bits of missing hardware on the floor in the Morgan. I asked a few others using the device to look at theirs and the one reply I got indicated that his looked just like mine -- but it turned out he simply hadn't pulled hard enough on the straps yet to have them pull out as mine did -- he was missing the same two critical bolts that connect the two halves of the unit together and clamp the helmet strap anchor in place. NecksGen has told at least one other customer that they will send out replacement hardware for free, and Farin Brady told me they would refund my purchase of a hardware replacement set (I had bought a full set of replacement hardware since I really didn't yet know what I was missing nor that there was essentially a defect in the product, ie: it was not my fault). The diagram that came with the device wasn't of any help in determining where the various pieces of hardware go, nor was a similar diagram on their website. I spoke to Jeff to get the layout correct. The replacement bolts have a dab of thread locking compound already on them. Jeff explained that their testing did not uncover this problem and they were unaware of it until the first hundred or so devices were out the door and they started getting feedback from customers. They didn't anticipate the degree of vibration encountered by users of the device. No mention of why I hadn't been contacted as soon as they knew of the problem, but since I purchased this through a group buy, they may not have had my name and contact information on file. The design requires spring washers to be put under the heads of the bolts rather than under the nuts, which are countersunk stepped round barrel nuts, and that the main large pieces of the device which the bolts pass through are made of a composite material, which may have some "give" to it, allowing the stainless hardware to loosen under vibration. If the bolts that pass through both pieces of the device and the helmet anchor strap fitting are missing as mine were, replacement ones should be pushed in from the outboard side with a spring washer under the head, through a "side bushing" that fits inside the large hole in the anchor tab of the helmet strap, with the stepped barrel nut on the inboard side. The side bushing is also stepped and the narrower part points outboard (OK, wait, I'm not absolutely sure about that any more -- but it may only go one way). Duncan Charlton Texas 1953 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red From Janzen at REcatalyst.com Sat Mar 16 10:52:17 2013 From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:52:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring locator - GT6 or Spit Message-ID: I'm re-assembling my cylinder head, and one of the valve spring locators (at the use of the spring, around the guide) is broken. It's the typical "T" in section, black oxide, but I can't find any through Crane, Isky, Comp or Edelbrock that are small enough. 0.51 ID, 0.61 spring ID, about 1.02" OD, 0.05" thick. Any ideas on sources - I have no idea where these came from - probably on the car when I got them, but they are perfect for the Isky springs. Thanks! From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Mar 15 13:18:55 2013 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:18:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <20130315183534.782C640526@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I was at that race when PLN won the championship. The race fans loved it. As did I. Those were special days with factory cars and pro drivers. And all these years later we are still racing these cars. It was a huge influence on me. On 3/14/13 2:16 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: "The Gravity Cavity"... lots of national championships won and lost there. Too bad it is no more. I can only image how awesome that downhill plunge was "back in the day" Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "john hasty" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 To: ; ; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3446201935_275400483] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 15 15:16:43 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:16:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <1087727756.482911.1363374494143.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1087727756.482911.1363374494143.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I ran the old Road Atlanta on a 350cc Yamaha. 12500 as you crested the hill at the end of back straight, fall into GC at about 13000. And hope you could lean over far enough to not hit the rumble strips between the track and pit in as you came under the bridge. Ah to be young and fearless again! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:08 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Gravity Cavity...the pucker factor number goes up exponentially with the increase in negative G's as does > > the volume of sceaming in my helmet. > > jim g > > > From: jason at multivintage.com > To: "john hasty" , fot-bounces at autox.team.net, budscars at comcast.net, macdonaldp at rogers.com, "Fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:16:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie > > "The Gravity Cavity"... lots of national championships won and lost there. Too bad it is no more. I can only image how awesome that downhill plunge was "back in the day" > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "john hasty" > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 > To: ; ; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie > > Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a > fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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I particularly liked > the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Mar 16 18:21:10 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:21:10 GMT Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring locator - GT6 or Spit Message-ID: <20130316.202110.9161.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> When I needed some for my TR3 I bought some that had the correct inner diameters and then I machined the outer diameter to fit the head. You may want to try your local machine shop to see of they have something that will fit. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring locator - GT6 or Spit Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:52:17 -0400 I'm re-assembling my cylinder head, and one of the valve spring locators (at the use of the spring, around the guide) is broken. It's the typical "T" in section, black oxide, but I can't find any through Crane, Isky, Comp or Edelbrock that are small enough. 0.51 ID, 0.61 spring ID, about 1.02" OD, 0.05" thick. Any ideas on sources - I have no idea where these came from - probably on the car when I got them, but they are perfect for the Isky springs. Thanks! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ 5 Diet Pills that Work 2012's Top 5 Weight Loss Pills. Updated Consumer Ratings. Free Report. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51450cccd697eccc563est03duc From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Sun Mar 17 05:12:49 2013 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:12:49 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure Message-ID: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> Amici I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking cam shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding 5000 rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 13:02:59 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:02:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F-1 adverts Message-ID: Just as a point of interest in the Mercedes commercials in the F-1 race the cars and a bit of track are inserted into the background of our track in Califonia, Willow Springs. The back straight is just below the hills you see. *Never be beaten by equipment.* From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 15:15:39 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 66 Triumph TR4A for sale Message-ID: <1363554939.83849.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I wanted to post a link to this beautiful 1966 Triumph TR4A. This car is beautiful, and comes with some really cool documentation. Runs and drives beautifully. It won't last long on Ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111034010164 Shawn Frank Continued Legacy-owner Drive Away Cancer Iowa 515-339-4228 From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 16:55:54 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Drive Away Cancer Iowa TR4A build progress Message-ID: <1363560954.58548.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I wanted to share a link with you all of my Facebook photo album of the build on the Drive Away Cancer Iowa car. We had a great Saturday putting some new parts on this official Drive Away Cancer Iowa 1965 Triumph TR4A named "John". We will have this car at the upcoming Kastner Cup. Keep em on the road...and track... https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.560821733950668.1073741825.431473933552116&type=1 Shawn Frank Continued Legacy-owner Drive Away Cancer Iowa #515-339-4228 From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Mar 17 22:46:35 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: TR3 Cam Failure Message-ID: <96b.588233a5.3e77f62b@aol.com> If the camshaft shaft diameter is reduced during re grinding, that(between #1 and #2) is where it is most likely to fail. If you are unlucky, it will also fail in front of the #2 cam journal, and the cam piece will fall down and trash the motor. The USA factory race cams were ground from cams that arrived in the USA with un ground lobes, and KAS had them ground. I have had the lobes of a standard cam (TR4A is best) welded before regrinding, and that worked. In the development of the TR2 they arrived at the two shank diameters in each camshaft to reduce failures. I also strongly recommend checking all possible related issues: from coil bind to the dist/oil pump gear and the cam bearings. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 3/17/2013 11:02:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:12:49 +1100 From: "geoff byrne" To: "Friends of Triumph" Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure Message-ID: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking cam shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding 5000 rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Mar 18 09:11:32 2013 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:11:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure In-Reply-To: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> References: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <9EA57CC6D2EA4E96BB0705550AD14E4E@ComputerPC> As time goes by we tend to forget some of the old lessons. Except Hardy who is right on. TR3/4 cams were designed by the factory with the diameter of the front half larger than the back half. This stopped the problem of cam deflection. When cam grinders regrind these cams they have to remove some of this increased thickness or the new lobe heels would be below the shaft. Could deflection return on these cams? New blanks - I recently bought and installed a 270 from BPNW ground on a new blank by David Newman in England. This new blank, presumably from India, did not have the factory increased diameter front half. Could deflaction be a problem? Because of stories that the dizzy gear on new Indian made blanks was not cut properly causing dizzy shafts to break, I test installed mine with die makers blue and it was ok. Could deflection have been the problem? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff byrne" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:12 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure > Amici > > I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking > cam > shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding > 5000 > rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor > is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would > appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Mar 18 10:46:35 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:46:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure In-Reply-To: <514740E1.0@pobox.com> References: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> <9EA57CC6D2EA4E96BB0705550AD14E4E@ComputerPC> <514740E1.0@pobox.com> Message-ID: <514744EB.4080402@pobox.com> With the new blanks there is no need to grind off the large front diameter unless the lift is really huge (>0.38). The rough lobes extend about 1/8 inch beyond the bearing radius. Since the front four lobes don't have to slide through the bearings, why grind off this extra material? Everyone seems to do this, but they don't need to. I had my cams ground only until the front lobes cleaned up. The only one that ever broke was by a Neanderthal Fedex man. > > On 3/18/2013 10:11 AM, Stutzmans wrote: >> As time goes by we tend to forget some of the old lessons. Except >> Hardy who is right on. >> TR3/4 cams were designed by the factory with the diameter of the >> front half larger than the back half. This stopped the problem of >> cam deflection. >> When cam grinders regrind these cams they have to remove some of this >> increased thickness or the new lobe heels would be below the shaft. >> Could deflection return on these cams? >> New blanks - I recently bought and installed a 270 from BPNW ground >> on a new blank by David Newman in England. This new blank, >> presumably from India, did not have the factory increased diameter >> front half. Could deflaction be a problem? >> Because of stories that the dizzy gear on new Indian made blanks was >> not cut properly causing dizzy shafts to break, I test installed mine >> with die makers blue and it was ok. Could deflection have been the >> problem? >> Bruce >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff byrne" >> >> To: "Friends of Triumph" >> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:12 AM >> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure >> >> >>> Amici >>> >>> I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep >>> braking cam >>> shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while >>> holding 5000 >>> rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder >>> motor >>> is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would >>> appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution >>> >>> Geoff Byrne >>> >>> TR6 Racer Down Under >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Mar 18 11:03:08 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:03:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Subject: TR3 Cam Failure In-Reply-To: <96b.588233a5.3e77f62b@aol.com> References: <96b.588233a5.3e77f62b@aol.com> Message-ID: <514748CC.7030205@pobox.com> The article that mentions the reason for enlarging the front part of the cam sites deflection as the primary issue they were trying to solve. Deflection leads to tossing valves, valves bouncing off the seat, etc. Making it larger up front helps both problems, strengths and flexibility. On 3/17/2013 11:46 PM, Catpusher at aol.com wrote: > If the camshaft shaft diameter is reduced during re grinding, > that(between #1 and #2) is where it is most likely to fail. If you are unlucky, it > will also fail in front of the #2 cam journal, and the cam piece will fall > down and trash the motor. > The USA factory race cams were ground from cams that arrived in the USA > with un ground lobes, and KAS had them ground. I have had the lobes of a > standard cam (TR4A is best) welded before regrinding, and that worked. In the > development of the TR2 they arrived at the two shank diameters in each > camshaft to reduce failures. > I also strongly recommend checking all possible related issues: from coil > bind to the dist/oil pump gear and the cam bearings. > > TR Regards, > > Hardy > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2013 11:02:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:12:49 +1100 > From: "geoff byrne" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure > Message-ID: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Amici > > I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking > cam > shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding > 5000 > rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor > is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would > appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 13:26:40 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Amici I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of the engine. In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the radiator? Thank you Just the wrench John Wagner From jaboruch at netzero.com Mon Mar 18 15:42:03 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:42:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <20130318.174203.19555.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> I have a -4 braided hose from the heater valve location in the head to the thermostat housing by-pass location. The fitting at the back of the head has the ID reduced to about 3/16 inch. This is essentially a steam vent. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: John Wagner To: "Fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] cooling Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Amici I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of the engine. In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the radiator? Thank you Just the wrench John Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51478a9a9ec6a99547dst01duc From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Mar 18 16:29:39 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:29:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hubs Message-ID: <51479553.7040804@charter.net> Group One of our club members has some bad TR4 solid axle hubs. Do any of you have any spares? Anyone have the Churchhill hub tool they would like to part with? Please let me know . Thanks Glenn From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 18 18:57:05 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] cooling In-Reply-To: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901ce243c$acf8d770$06ea8650$@rr.com> John, One of the short comings of the TR3 and TR4 cooling system design is the inability of steam to escape the system. Once formed, it creates hot spots and air has replaced water in the area steam has formed if you don't give it a path to escape. The fact that the thermostat housing is typically the high point of the system doesn't help. Another problem is lack of flow to the back of the head and to piston #4. I started down a similar path as you suggest. I assumed that if I routed hot return water back to the suction side of the water pump (return heater port) I'd be recirculating hot water and this would be bad. So for my system, I installed a expansion tank with a 22-25 psi cap on the firewall routed the heater supply (port on back top PS of head) to the top side port of the tank and routed the return line from the bottom of the tank to a fitting I installed between the thermostat housing and the intake of the radiator (I run a Chevy style cross flow radiator read more later). This allowed the hot water from the back of the block and head to return directly to the radiator and be cooled prior to go back through the engine. This seemed like a great idea. I now had a place for steam to collect (the expansion tank) and I had increased the flow to the back of the head and block. Only problem was it worked too good. Even with a 180 degree thermostat, I could not get any heat into the engine it was running less than 120 degrees. The system simply bypassed the thermostat as all water was flowing from the back of the head through the tank and back to the radiator. I had bypassed my thermostat. I thought about playing with various restrictions in my return line but figured that the correct restriction would likely change based upon conditions. So I scrapped my idea and plumbed my return line directly to the heater return port. Works like a champ now. I mentioned that I use a Chevy style cross flow radiator. This design has several advantages to the top to bottom flow of our standard radiators. The problem with a top to bottom design is that the radiator is seeing block pressure on the top of the radiator which means your radiator cap is seeing full block pressure, or very close to it. I have not put a pressure gauge on my block but I have read that block pressure can reach 30 psi. For this reason, some TR racers are always pumping at least a little water past their caps on a top down style radiator. With cross flow, the radiator cap is kept on the suction (low pressure) side which allows a low rated cap, I use a 7 or 12 psi cap in the radiator, can't remember exactly. More on expansion tanks. Do a little research and you will find that most if not all modern cars run stem vent tubes from the cylinder heads or other high points to an expansion tank. A good example is the Gen III & IV small blocks. I also use a 1/4 npt drain valve on the top of the thermostat housing to vent all air out of my system when filling, this is very important. I use the expansion tank as the fill point and fill until the water leaks out through the open 1/4" valve. I prime the system a little by squeezing the house on the intake side of the water pump as I fill the system. Once all the air is out, I close the valve and fill the expansion tank to within 1/4" of the top. So far, one race weekend, I have had zero water pump past either of my caps with this installation. My dad is using this same setup but with a Wizard top to bottom radiator. He was getting a little water past the cap on the radiator cap and the expansion tank cap. He was using a 12 psi on the radiator and 18 on the expansion tank. He has replaced the caps for higher rated ones so we will see how it goes at ECR in May. Bob Kramer has been using this setup with a top down radiator for a few years. I think in a 15-20 min race he fills his expansion tank overflow bottle but he is using a lower rated cap I think it was 12psi. I have tried to convince him to switch to a higher pressure rating on the expansion tank, we shall see. Let me know if you want more information or pictures. Greg 04 TR3 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Wagner Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:27 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] cooling Amici I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of the engine. In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the radiator? Thank you Just the wrench John Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From Catpusher at aol.com Mon Mar 18 21:06:19 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Triumph Movie Message-ID: <37ca.4ad38b89.3e79302b@aol.com> Great movie! Unencumbered by the fear process? T2 at the real Laguna: flat out before stiffening the EP TR3 chassis with a cage. The Dip at the real Atlanta. During our first ARRC our posted radar speed was 142 MPH. I thought that most EP cars must be like mine in the dip until Lee Mueller came over after qualifying and told me that we had to talk, as he watched the dip from track side and I was trying to kill myself. He eventually mentioned bump steer, which I later measured as 1.7" on full droop. Every year the dip had my full attention and then some, even with the bump steer spot on. Ellie and I intently watched the great TR6 / 7 race. Oh, and in 83 when I was going up (in a state of shock) to receive the Donohue award, PLN was the first person to get up and shake my hand, and when I managed to say "Ah, retired TR6 racer" his smile became even larger. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 3/17/2013 11:02:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes From: John Hasty Ah to be young and fearless again! From clw2000 at msn.com Tue Mar 19 06:21:40 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:21:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Shocks and Springs - GT6 Message-ID: Enjoying the process of rebuilding my suspension. I need to make the call on springs and shocks shortly. Tough to do some of the measurements with the body off and no weight on the car, so a few questions I could use some help on: Front Springs: - obviously want to lower, and plan to use adjustable spring perches, but where to start in length. I'm assuming 7.0-8.0" - spring rate: conventional wisdom seems to be north of 500 lbs. If so, how far north? Front Shocks: - what max length are you using to control droop, min length before bump? - what mfg and models are you recommending? - better to go with spherical bearings at lower mounts? Rear Shocks: - I have replaced the Rotoflex system with one that would allow me to use the Mk1/Mk3 mounts instead of the wheel arch mounts. Any reason not to do so? Given that, what can you recommend? Yes, I'm ignoring the rear spring in this post. It's a whole-nother can of worms. But for the record, I'm looking at a 400lb rate de-arched by about 2.5" as my starting point. Thanks, Chuck Watson From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 09:24:20 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. Message-ID: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Does anyone know Clark Lincoln? Long time DSR Racer in SCCA. At 70 something he has built a GT6, using Kas Kastner's latest book on the Chuck Gee build as a guideline. I have invited him to the Kastner Cup (with treaded tires) and he is giving it strong consideration. For whatever reason, this seems to be the Year of The GT6 & SPITFIRE at the KCUP....if they all manage to make it. Something to be encouraged.....did I mention that the Barker's are planning to come with both the SCCA Champion Spitfire AND the winning KCUP HERALD. This time the right gas will be going into those engines. (A mix up in race fuel caused the premature failure of two engines at the last KCUP at ROAD ATLANTA) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 09:55:14 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:55:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hubs In-Reply-To: <51479553.7040804@charter.net> References: <51479553.7040804@charter.net> Message-ID: I've got a Churchill tool that I'd part with since none of my remaining TRs have stock rear hubs. I've been meaning to put it on ebay anyhow. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From gt6steve at aol.com Tue Mar 19 10:31:17 2013 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. In-Reply-To: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFF2D650EF457C-750-291CE@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Been talking a lot with Clark the last year or so. He's building a fantastic car from all I see.... -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot Sent: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:24 am Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. FOT: Does anyone know Clark Lincoln? Long time DSR Racer in SCCA. At 70 something e has built a GT6, using Kas Kastner's latest book on the Chuck Gee build as guideline. I have invited him to the Kastner Cup (with treaded tires) and he is giving it trong consideration. For whatever reason, this seems to be the Year of The GT6 & SPITFIRE at the CUP....if they all manage to make it. Something to be encouraged.....did I mention that the Barker's are planning to ome with both the SCCA Champion Spitfire AND the winning KCUP HERALD. This ime the right gas will be going into those engines. (A mix up in race fuel aused the premature failure of two engines at the last KCUP at ROAD TLANTA) Joe Alexander . R. E. 45 1st Street esup, Iowa 50648 19.464.4711 (cell) 197tr4 at cs.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 10:38:09 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates Message-ID: <8D41A8BA-D421-494A-8133-992927278197@comcast.net> Hello: I have a set of lifting plates which I used to lift the body off my TR4 a few years ago which were kindly made for me by an FOT member. These plates make the job much easier and should work with most TRs. I have sold my car and no longer need them so if anyone is interested I would be happy to ship them for the mailing cost. Gary From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 10:53:53 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. In-Reply-To: <8CFF2D650EF457C-750-291CE@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> <8CFF2D650EF457C-750-291CE@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFF2D978BB5A97-E2C-2BBBF@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> The pictures of his car are really outstanding. He mentioned that he designed and built a couple of his DSRs. Old guys rock!! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: gt6steve To: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 11:31 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. Been talking a lot with Clark the last year or so. He's building a fantastic car from all I see.... -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot Sent: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:24 am Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. FOT: Does anyone know Clark Lincoln? Long time DSR Racer in SCCA. At 70 something he has built a GT6, using Kas Kastner's latest book on the Chuck Gee build as a guideline. I have invited him to the Kastner Cup (with treaded tires) and he is giving it strong consideration. For whatever reason, this seems to be the Year of The GT6 & SPITFIRE at the KCUP....if they all manage to make it. Something to be encouraged.....did I mention that the Barker's are planning to come with both the SCCA Champion Spitfire AND the winning KCUP HERALD. This time the right gas will be going into those engines. (A mix up in race fuel caused the premature failure of two engines at the last KCUP at ROAD ATLANTA) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 11:50:10 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:50:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates Message-ID: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer was the first to respond so they will be on the way to him. Perhaps these plates can become an FOT Asset and circulated around to those who might need them? Ga From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Mar 19 12:10:50 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:10:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT loaner tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, great idea. I'm trying to think of what oddball things I might have. Well there is the torque plate I had made up for TR6/GT6. blocks It's heavy but shippable. I could add it to the available to loan out for the cost of shipping list if anybody wants to borrow it. Marty > From: vintage.racer at comcast.net > Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:50:10 -0700 > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer was the first to respond so they will be on the way to > him. Perhaps these plates can become an FOT Asset and circulated around to > those who might need them? > > Ga > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 12:33:54 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:33:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT loaner tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marty: Nice contribution. If there are other items FOT'ers want to add, perhaps someone could keep a list and handle the loan/return of these specialized items. Gary Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:10 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Hey, great idea. I'm trying to think of what oddball things I might have. Well there is the torque plate I had made up for TR6/GT6. blocks It's heavy but shippable. I could add it to the available to loan out for the cost of shipping list if anybody wants to borrow it. > > Marty > > > From: vintage.racer at comcast.net > > Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:50:10 -0700 > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates > > > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer was the first to respond so they will be on the way to > > him. Perhaps these plates can become an FOT Asset and circulated around to > > those who might need them? > > > > Ga > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 22:09:10 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:09:10 -1000 Subject: [Fot] cooling In-Reply-To: <000901ce243c$acf8d770$06ea8650$@rr.com> References: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000901ce243c$acf8d770$06ea8650$@rr.com> Message-ID: Not to get too fussy, but steam doesn't need a path to escape. It turns back liquid water as soon as the temperature drops a bit or pressure is increased, If you have a steam bubble forming on the wall of a wet sleeve as soon as it gets away from the wall it almost certainly collapses. If you're seeing steam in the tanks it's only because you've opened the cap and dropped the pressure low enough to cause boiling. Steam is water in it's gasous state. Trapped air is a different story. On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Greg & Alison Blake" wrote: > John, > > One of the short comings of the TR3 and TR4 cooling system design is the > inability of steam to escape the system. Once formed, it creates hot spots > and air has replaced water in the area steam has formed if you don't give it > a path to escape. The fact that the thermostat housing is typically the > high point of the system doesn't help. Another problem is lack of flow to > the back of the head and to piston #4. > > I started down a similar path as you suggest. I assumed that if I routed > hot return water back to the suction side of the water pump (return heater > port) I'd be recirculating hot water and this would be bad. So for my > system, I installed a expansion tank with a 22-25 psi cap on the firewall > routed the heater supply (port on back top PS of head) to the top side port > of the tank and routed the return line from the bottom of the tank to a > fitting I installed between the thermostat housing and the intake of the > radiator (I run a Chevy style cross flow radiator read more later). This > allowed the hot water from the back of the block and head to return directly > to the radiator and be cooled prior to go back through the engine. > > This seemed like a great idea. I now had a place for steam to collect (the > expansion tank) and I had increased the flow to the back of the head and > block. Only problem was it worked too good. Even with a 180 degree > thermostat, I could not get any heat into the engine it was running less > than 120 degrees. > > The system simply bypassed the thermostat as all water was flowing from the > back of the head through the tank and back to the radiator. I had bypassed > my thermostat. I thought about playing with various restrictions in my > return line but figured that the correct restriction would likely change > based upon conditions. > > So I scrapped my idea and plumbed my return line directly to the heater > return port. Works like a champ now. > > I mentioned that I use a Chevy style cross flow radiator. This design has > several advantages to the top to bottom flow of our standard radiators. The > problem with a top to bottom design is that the radiator is seeing block > pressure on the top of the radiator which means your radiator cap is seeing > full block pressure, or very close to it. I have not put a pressure gauge > on my block but I have read that block pressure can reach 30 psi. For this > reason, some TR racers are always pumping at least a little water past their > caps on a top down style radiator. With cross flow, the radiator cap is > kept on the suction (low pressure) side which allows a low rated cap, I use > a 7 or 12 psi cap in the radiator, can't remember exactly. > > More on expansion tanks. Do a little research and you will find that most > if not all modern cars run stem vent tubes from the cylinder heads or other > high points to an expansion tank. A good example is the Gen III & IV small > blocks. > > I also use a 1/4 npt drain valve on the top of the thermostat housing to > vent all air out of my system when filling, this is very important. I use > the expansion tank as the fill point and fill until the water leaks out > through the open 1/4" valve. I prime the system a little by squeezing the > house on the intake side of the water pump as I fill the system. Once all > the air is out, I close the valve and fill the expansion tank to within 1/4" > of the top. So far, one race weekend, I have had zero water pump past > either of my caps with this installation. > > My dad is using this same setup but with a Wizard top to bottom radiator. > He was getting a little water past the cap on the radiator cap and the > expansion tank cap. He was using a 12 psi on the radiator and 18 on the > expansion tank. He has replaced the caps for higher rated ones so we will > see how it goes at ECR in May. > > Bob Kramer has been using this setup with a top down radiator for a few > years. I think in a 15-20 min race he fills his expansion tank overflow > bottle but he is using a lower rated cap I think it was 12psi. I have tried > to convince him to switch to a higher pressure rating on the expansion tank, > we shall see. > > Let me know if you want more information or pictures. > > Greg > 04 TR3 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of John Wagner > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:27 PM > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] cooling > > Amici > > I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of > the engine. > In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater > return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, > wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the > radiator? > > > Thank you > Just the wrench > John Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 16:15:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheel Spacers...aluminum spacers now available Message-ID: <8CFF30670BAE3CB-E74-32DC7@webmail-d284.sysops.aol.com> FOT: With some help and encouragement from the FOT, we produced a few Spitfire wheels spacers....same as the TR3-6 spacers in thickness. .250 stackable. We did preproduction run of 20....then we will do a larger run. If you want/need any please inquire/respond to this e-mail. Thanks Shawn F, Joe S, for the help in doing this. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From kaskastner at gmail.com Tue Mar 19 16:24:40 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:24:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Question about books Message-ID: I have been working for almost a year on an updated version of the original *Triumph Preparation Manual*, which was written in 2002 and reprinted several times. The stock is about depleted and will not be reprinted. As it has been very popular with lots of information for builders of Triumph racers, my updated version has more and newer material, details, photos etc, but will still keep the pertinent information from the original book. The result is a book of about 280 full size pages. This new book will not be a printed book. It will be a download book or a purchased disc. Here is my problem, what do you the readers want? How do you folks want to see this new book? The download version will be less than $20 and the disc version will be less than $30. the disc version will include the complete new book, plus special video selections of my time with the GTP program at Nissan. Lots of views of the cars in action, interviews and the racing in 1988-1989-1990. For various technical reasons the download book will NOT have this added entertainment. We also have the possibility of both version becoming available. With all the new mediums in communication I would appreciate your opinions on what would be your choice. It would probably be best to give me your opinion direct to my new Email address, kaskastner at gmail.com. Thanking all in advance. *Never be beaten by equipment.* From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 17:16:38 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 TSD RALLY CAR What CAM would you use? Message-ID: <8CFF30EF12597E5-E74-334E4@webmail-d284.sysops.aol.com> Engine builder is asking about customer's engine......he has rebuilt several TR engines but never a modified one. Mainly he deals in ITALIAN stuff. 89 mm pistons Premium Gas requirement 10.2 compression is likely. What cam would anyone recommend for running at 4,000-5,000 RPM on 800-1000 mile rallyes. The customer runs about 4-5 every year. Money no serious consideration. Thanks in advance, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 17:47:29 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] anyone have an ORIGINAL KASTNER "D" CAM on the shelf? Message-ID: <8CFF3134072D915-E74-3381C@webmail-d284.sysops.aol.com> thanks Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 13:30:04 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <1363721404.22306.androidMobile@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I run a very similar set up. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Mar 20 08:23:21 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Thanks! CAM SELECTION RESPONSES Message-ID: <8CFF38D9BEA99DD-203C-31EBA@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Thanks to everyone who responded on the quest for a cam for rally purposes. I had forgotten about the very comprehensive study of TRIUMPH CAMS that FOT LARRY YOUNG did and posted on his TILDEN TECHNOLOGIES website. What a great spreadsheet on all of the cams available for all levels of performance. Worth a trip into the TRIUMPH CAM DESIGN link even if you are not currently looking. A ton of information and easy to read. WHADDA GROUP! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 20 08:27:13 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:27:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <44BF06CC-E28C-452C-8863-CF03AF7617DF@sbcglobal.net> A M I C I I'd like to nominate Steve Myers to our humble group. He is a good guy and will be racing a TR4 this season here in the midwest. I do believe that Steve will benefit from and add value to the FOT. Second? From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 20 08:33:40 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> In a message dated 03/20/2013 8:26:49 AM Central Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I'd like to nominate Steve Myers > to our humble group. He is a good guy and will be racing a TR4 this > season > here in the midwest. I do believe that Steve will benefit from and add > value > to the FOT. > Second? > Second! Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Mar 20 10:21:49 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:21:49 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - 2013 In-Reply-To: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> References: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> Message-ID: <000801ce2587$0c6f3370$254d9a50$@com> Hi Guys, I will attend at the next Kastner Cup event. I checked many ways to bring my car but nothing which fits my budget to get a single car to USA an back in short gap of time. Question: Maybe there is a race car available for me? Cheers Chris From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 20 12:36:06 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:36:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - 2013 In-Reply-To: <000801ce2587$0c6f3370$254d9a50$@com> References: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> <000801ce2587$0c6f3370$254d9a50$@com> Message-ID: Chris: I might be able to round up a FIAT 124 spider that won the 2000 F-Production SCCA National Championship. Let me know if you want me to ask John if it is available and what the cost might be..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:22 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - 2013 Hi Guys, I will attend at the next Kastner Cup event. I checked many ways to bring my car but nothing which fits my budget to get a single car to USA an back in short gap of time. Question: Maybe there is a race car available for me? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Mar 20 14:30:04 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:30:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire Message-ID: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> List, I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - 0.75 inch offset. So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels on their website so I'm not sure about availability. Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From apackard68 at att.net Wed Mar 20 15:01:08 2013 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1363813268.21454.YahooMailRC@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Spit bits now carries the 4 spoke AR wheels. They may be able to help. Roger Krauss Racing in Castro Valley, CA also has connections with many suppliers and could be worth talking to, especially for racing applications. Andy To: Friends of triumph Sent: Wed, March 20, 2013 1:32:46 PM Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire List, I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - 0.75 inch offset. So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels on their website so I'm not sure about availability. Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68 at att.net From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Mar 20 15:14:31 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:14:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bud - I know the owner of Acme Speed Shop. His name is Hap Waldrup and is a MG racer. He can get 13x6 for a Spit 3.75" PCD in a couple of different backspace options and a couple of styles and colors. His shop is kind of "part time" so don't give up on contacting him. Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: levilevi at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:30:04 -0600 > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > List, > > I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire > (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - > 0.75 inch offset. > > So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution > in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. > > Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the > Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but > they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels > on their website so I'm not sure about availability. > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Mar 20 17:38:03 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:38:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? Message-ID: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 20 17:50:34 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:50:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? Message-ID: <595844.65408.bm@smtp206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Moroso 46160 -----Original Message----- From: "J.C. Hassall" Sent: b3/b20/b2013 6:38 PM To: "fot" Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From tr6nut at verizon.net Wed Mar 20 17:52:20 2013 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? In-Reply-To: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> References: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <514A4BB4.4040902@verizon.net> Jim, I'm using ARP P/N 100-7708 "12mm x 1.50 Late Model GM/Corvette". These will press into TR6 hubs without re-drilling the holes and are 3" long. They are metric so you have to use the appropriate metric lugnuts. Hugh Barber Stafford, VA On 3/20/2013 7:38 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? > Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've > measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need > longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the > hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? > > tnx > > jim From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 20 18:09:20 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:09:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? In-Reply-To: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> References: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: We found the knurl to be different on the Southwick axles than the stock front TR3. Summit had long studs with the correct knurls for each in 7/16 size. They were Morso studs. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 20, 2013, at 7:38 PM, "J.C. Hassall" wrote: > Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? > > tnx > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Mar 20 21:20:11 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:20:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: About two years ago when I needed wheels for my HP Spitfire I got some Panasports through Spruell Motorsports (www.spruellmotorsport.com -- 800-552-2532). Don't worry that their website at the moment doesn't show any 13" wheels under Triumph. Call 'em up, tell 'em what you need. They'll order direct from Panasport. I was in a big hurry, so they put me in contact with the Panasport guy and I ordered them direct from him, but he only sells through dealers so I did the sale through Spruell. In my case -- because I was in a rush -- the Panasport guy had wheels on the shelf with 4" backspace, so I bought them and he drilled them for the Spitfire bolt circle and my stud size. Then I had a local machine shop make me spacers. And they use regular lugnuts. If you have the time, you can get them with the right backspacing and setup. Spruell and Panasport both worked to take care of me with the speed I needed at the time. It was much appreciated. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud R" To: "Friends of triumph" Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > List, > > I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire > (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - > 0.75 inch offset. > > So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution > in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. > > Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the > Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but > they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels > on their website so I'm not sure about availability. > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Thu Mar 21 09:49:27 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:49:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR reminder Message-ID: There's still plenty of time to get make your plans for the upcoming weekend at VIR (April 12-14) . Already there are 13 Triumphs registered and include many of the biggest names in Triumph vintage racing, such as Tony, Henry, Bob, Mark, Charles, Jesse, David, Tim, Rob, Leo and others. If you're coming, please make sure to join us at the Triumph Ghetto on Friday evening for our cookout. All Triumph drivers, crews and hangers-on are most welcome. For event information and to register go to the VDCA website at www.vintagedrive.com. This is always a tremendous event with huge amounts of track time at one of the world's best racing venues. From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 12:50:44 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:50:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] cooling In-Reply-To: <1363721404.22306.androidMobile@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363721404.22306.androidMobile@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9E469EA7-E53B-429C-9751-A3CBA58BF502@yahoo.com> I am going to run this setup and add an elevated fill tank (see black tank in the pic) off of a TVR. Ty [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image.jpeg] Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Mar 19, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > I run a very similar set up. > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Mar 21 05:55:10 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:55:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: <808948ed84f2df903119bafd4dabc905.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Many years ago, when I bought Panasports for my GT-6, I bought them from Spruell Motorsports and I can attest to their good customer service. John On Wed, March 20, 2013 11:20 pm, Rocky Entriken wrote: > About two years ago when I needed wheels for my HP Spitfire I got some > Panasports through Spruell Motorsports (www.spruellmotorsport.com -- > 800-552-2532). > > Don't worry that their website at the moment doesn't show any 13" wheels > under Triumph. Call 'em up, tell 'em what you need. They'll order direct > from Panasport. I was in a big hurry, so they put me in contact with the > Panasport guy and I ordered them direct from him, but he only sells > through > dealers so I did the sale through Spruell. > > In my case -- because I was in a rush -- the Panasport guy had wheels on > the > shelf with 4" backspace, so I bought them and he drilled them for the > Spitfire bolt circle and my stud size. Then I had a local machine shop > make > me spacers. And they use regular lugnuts. > > If you have the time, you can get them with the right backspacing and > setup. > Spruell and Panasport both worked to take care of me with the speed I > needed > at the time. It was much appreciated. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud R" > To: "Friends of triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:30 PM > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > >> List, >> >> I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire >> (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - >> 0.75 inch offset. >> >> So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution >> in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. >> >> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but >> they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels >> on their website so I'm not sure about availability. >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) >> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle >> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Mar 21 14:13:15 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Great Video Message-ID: <1725973362.848359.1363896795954.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> It's not a Triumph but it is a British Car in this great video from 1956. Mike Hawthorn in a D-type takes a lap of LeMans while providing real-time narration. Check out the pedestrian traffic! Excellent video quality so go full screen with sound. http://vimeo.com/59410466#at=0 Gary From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Mar 21 16:19:43 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:19:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> I am surprised nobody commented on Bud's mention of VTO wheels. I was under the impression these were not really suitable for race use. Has opinion on these wheels changed? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud R" Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the > Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 21 19:41:54 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:41:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: I've been racing on VTO provided Superlite 8 spokes for 8 years , no problems. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:19 PM, wrote: > I am surprised nobody commented on Bud's mention of VTO wheels. I was under > the impression these were not really suitable for race use. Has opinion on > these wheels changed? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud R" > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > >> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 21 20:16:41 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:16:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Handmade References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> Not TR, but interesting Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Bob Perkins > Date: March 21, 2013, 7:48:45 PM EDT > To: Ed Youngblood , John Hasty > Subject: Fwd: Handmade > > I think you have seen this one before, but here again....enjoy.... > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Handmade > Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:39:35 -0500 > From: stanley baldwin > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > > Slowly scroll your way through the images, what do you think they're building? > 1 > > 2 > > 3 > > 4 > > 5 > > 6 > > 7 > > 8 > > 9 > > 10 > > 11 > > 12 > > 13 > > 14 > > 15 > > 16 > > 17 > > 18 > > 19 > > 20 > > 21 > > 22 > > 23 > > There are craftsmen...and there are Craftsmen !! > > The Morgan Motor Company located in Britain doesn't change in a changing world.C Not only is it still independent, but it also makes each car by hand. A base model is > about $44,000, with some cars costing up to $300,000. > > People wait for over a year to get their exclusive hand-built cars with the shell made out of metal and much of the vehicle made out of wood. Working on the wood interior, > workers use metal shears to individually shape a hood because each car has to be different. > > Every year Morgan produces about 600 cars. The company celebrated its 100th anniversary in 2011. It has a long and interesting history, and is still run by the same > family: the MorganC"s. Founded by Henry Frederick Stanley Morgan known as "HFS", it was then run by his son Peter, and is now run by Charles, the son of Peter Morgan. > > > C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 21 21:12:27 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:12:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Handmade In-Reply-To: <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. The forums [ link below ] do allow attachments. There isn't an FOT specific forum. Sometimes I do think that it may be useful to drop the mailing list and set up a forum on fot-racing.com. You could post pics on the Triumph forum, email the list a link to it. mjb. From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Mar 22 04:53:59 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:53:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1C002187C3DD4943B324125CA104E6BF@TRIUMPH.local> Bob, I was under the impression that VTO imported the Superlite line, they have been around for years and I know a couple of racers on them. As I understand it, they were priced about the same as the usual suspects, and are a good wheel. I didn't think that wheel was stiill available. Do your wheels have "VTO" cast into the rim? The Superlites I am thinking of do not. I seem to remember VTO launched it's current line of wheels a couple years back, and they were at that time offered at a price point significantly better than the usual suspects. These wheels are easily identified by the letters "VTO" cast into the rim. I saw a couple cars at car shows on these new wheels, and to me, the wheel did not look all that substantial. I thought I remembered a conversation about these wheels here on the FOT list, but an archive search turned up nothing. I just did a Google search, and it appears the MG racers are using them in hoards, with no apparent calamities. Not sure it any of the fast MG guys are running them, though. Anyway, it appears I stand corrected... YMMV Henry - a believer that you get what you pay for ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" Subject: Re: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire I've been racing on VTO provided Superlite 8 spokes for 8 years , no problems. From tjwakeman at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 07:08:36 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:08:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> On 3/21/13 8:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. I belong to 2 different email lists on google groups and they both allow attachments such as pictures. so we share jpegs whenever appropriate. Maybe it is time to retire the server and move over to google groups? It would give you more time to work on the Spit. Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a forum and try to find different current threads. TeriAnn From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 08:14:21 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <1363961661.43705.YahooMailNeo@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have been away for awhile but would like thank everyone for the feedback on cooling plumbing. Just the wrench John Wagner From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 21 15:05:37 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:05:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <808948ed84f2df903119bafd4dabc905.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> <808948ed84f2df903119bafd4dabc905.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: Same experience for me as well Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 7:55 AM, "R. John Lye" wrote: > Many years ago, when I bought Panasports for my GT-6, I > bought them from Spruell Motorsports and I can attest to > their good customer service. > > John > > On Wed, March 20, 2013 11:20 pm, Rocky Entriken wrote: >> About two years ago when I needed wheels for my HP Spitfire I got some >> Panasports through Spruell Motorsports (www.spruellmotorsport.com -- >> 800-552-2532). >> >> Don't worry that their website at the moment doesn't show any 13" wheels >> under Triumph. Call 'em up, tell 'em what you need. They'll order direct >> from Panasport. I was in a big hurry, so they put me in contact with the >> Panasport guy and I ordered them direct from him, but he only sells >> through >> dealers so I did the sale through Spruell. >> >> In my case -- because I was in a rush -- the Panasport guy had wheels on >> the >> shelf with 4" backspace, so I bought them and he drilled them for the >> Spitfire bolt circle and my stud size. Then I had a local machine shop >> make >> me spacers. And they use regular lugnuts. >> >> If you have the time, you can get them with the right backspacing and >> setup. >> Spruell and Panasport both worked to take care of me with the speed I >> needed >> at the time. It was much appreciated. >> >> --Rocky Entriken >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bud R" >> To: "Friends of triumph" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:30 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire >> >> >>> List, >>> >>> I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire >>> (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - >>> 0.75 inch offset. >>> >>> So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution >>> in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. >>> >>> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >>> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but >>> they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels >>> on their website so I'm not sure about availability. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Bud Rolofson >>> >>> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) >>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >>> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle >>> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 21 20:08:38 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:08:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire Message-ID: <398350.46132.bm@smtp106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Ditto! -----Original Message----- From: "Bob Kramer" Sent: b3/b21/b2013 8:43 PM To: "" Cc: "Friends of triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire I've been racing on VTO provided Superlite 8 spokes for 8 years , no problems. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:19 PM, wrote: > I am surprised nobody commented on Bud's mention of VTO wheels. I was under > the impression these were not really suitable for race use. Has opinion on > these wheels changed? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud R" > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > >> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 11:58:09 2013 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:58:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video Message-ID: <23204261.1363975089502.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Here are some highlights from my in-car TR3 video last weekend battling Porsche 914's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSp5winf3fY&feature=share ~Steve From sjanzen at me.com Fri Mar 22 12:23:17 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:23:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs References: <8A418BB1-4E46-4F5E-B137-94F84BEF1207@me.com> Message-ID: so, watched Steve's video and another one caught my eye - 1989 runoffs with Jack Wheeler in a TR4 battling it out for 3rd place (ended up in fourth). Some really nice footage and great racing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Naa17-HtsQ&feature=endscreen From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri Mar 22 14:29:28 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:29:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Forum style for me. Edward Dunn 1971 GT6 #757 1964 Soitfire #22 West coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D-101 Encinitas, CA 92024 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] mail lists On 3/21/13 8:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. I belong to 2 different email lists on google groups and they both allow attachments such as pictures. so we share jpegs whenever appropriate. Maybe it is time to retire the server and move over to google groups? It would give you more time to work on the Spit. Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a forum and try to find different current threads. TeriAnn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 22 15:07:46 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:07:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: For those of us who are IT challenged, the site is just fine. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Forum style for me. > > Edward Dunn > 1971 GT6 #757 > 1964 Soitfire #22 > > West coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D-101 > Encinitas, CA 92024 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:09 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] mail lists > > On 3/21/13 8:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. > I belong to 2 different email lists on google groups and they both allow > attachments such as pictures. so we share jpegs whenever appropriate. > Maybe it is time to retire the server and move over to google groups? > It would give you more time to work on the Spit. > > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a forum > and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Mar 22 16:28:31 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists Message-ID: <514CDB0F.9080704@blacksburg.net> On 3/22/2013 9:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a > forum and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > I agree, I'd much rather have our current setup. That's why I click the Donate link from time to time. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 22 16:57:15 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:57:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514CDB0F.9080704@blacksburg.net> References: <514CDB0F.9080704@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <007c01ce2750$994efa80$cbecef80$@net> I like the current setup too Racer Bud -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:29 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists On 3/22/2013 9:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to > a forum and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > I agree, I'd much rather have our current setup. That's why I click the Donate link from time to time. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 22 18:18:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs...now KASTNER CUP 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <8A418BB1-4E46-4F5E-B137-94F84BEF1207@me.com> Message-ID: <8CFF573200D2C43-1B38-525B8@webmail-d289.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Scott, I think I see Hardy in there, too. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Wheeler is planning to drive in and join us at ROAD AMERICA for the KASTNER CUP, once again. Hardy Prentice has been invited. We would really like to see him. Jerry Barker will be with us, of course, as well as Sam Halkias. Running FIVE TRIUMPHS between the two of them. A plethora of TRIUMPH NATIONAL CHAMPS. Am I missing anyone? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Fri, Mar 22, 2013 1:23 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs so, watched Steve's video and another one caught my eye - 1989 runoffs with Jack Wheeler in a TR4 battling it out for 3rd place (ended up in fourth). Some really nice footage and great racing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Naa17-HtsQ&feature=endscreen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 22 17:35:11 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:35:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] mail lists Message-ID: <832979.78125.bm@smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yes! - let's hear it for old school. -----Original Message----- From: "RACER BUD" Sent: b3/b22/b2013 6:00 PM To: "'J.C. Hassall'" ; "'fot'" Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists I like the current setup too Racer Bud -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:29 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists On 3/22/2013 9:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to > a forum and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > I agree, I'd much rather have our current setup. That's why I click the Donate link from time to time. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Mar 23 05:53:37 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:53:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Even for those of us who are not IT challenged, the mail list format is preferred! I would probably adapt to checking in on a forum occasionally, but pushing the content into my email means I will look at it when checking my email. Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into making this all work for us. We all owe this guy, please click the donate button from time to time... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists > For those of us who are IT challenged, the site is just fine. From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Sat Mar 23 08:02:28 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:02:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs In-Reply-To: References: <8A418BB1-4E46-4F5E-B137-94F84BEF1207@me.com> Message-ID: <4CBB872F-E73D-4664-A47B-2717E9553559@yahoo.com> Those were the good days Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > so, watched Steve's video and another one caught my eye - 1989 runoffs with > Jack Wheeler in a TR4 battling it out for 3rd place (ended up in fourth). > Some really nice footage and great racing! > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Naa17-HtsQ&feature=endscreen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From spitfiresuz at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 08:24:07 2013 From: spitfiresuz at gmail.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:24:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] '66 TR4 in eBay Stories Today Message-ID: <514DBB07.7050409@gmail.com> http://ebay-stories.com/a-66-classic-car-your-ultimate-triumph Pretty cool! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- ** Oh, I would just KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize! ** From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 08:37:19 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:37:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <514DBE1F.3020308@gmail.com> On 3/23/13 4:53 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into making this > all work for us. We all owe this guy, That's why I was thinking the mail lists that Mark manages should switch over to being google groups email lists. Having a mail list that Mark didn't need to devote a lot of time and money to just to keep the server and lists going would free him up to do other things. And it would give us the advantage of being able to add pictures to our list emails. TeriAnn From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 23 08:37:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] '66 TR4 in eBay Stories Today In-Reply-To: <514DBB07.7050409@gmail.com> References: <514DBB07.7050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CFF5EB20D35E58-7C0-4F7E2@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Of course this TR4A is in AMES, IOWA and is owned by our newly minted FOT member. Son Mark called and said there are those in the AIR FORCE community that remember this car very well. This TR4A is identical to the first TR4A this family owned. We'd like to have it, but enuff is enuf. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Susan Kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, Mar 23, 2013 9:25 am Subject: [Fot] '66 TR4 in eBay Stories Today http://ebay-stories.com/a-66-classic-car-your-ultimate-triumph Pretty cool! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- ** Oh, I would just KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize! ** _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Mar 23 10:22:27 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:22:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non triumph non car but... Message-ID: <1DFE25F3-9512-4719-8097-4B096A9F1202@aol.com> I have a vintage late 70's soda machine that needs a good home. Needs a few light bulbs. Needs help cooling but I am working on it. Dispenses cans. Holds 50 plus cans. Google vendo v348 soda machine. I have it listed on feebay and a few other places. I have pictures. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 23 15:26:14 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:26:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <514E1DF6.3050406@bradakis.com> yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Even for those of us who are not IT challenged, the mail list format is > preferred! I would probably adapt to checking in on a forum occasionally, > but pushing the content into my email means I will look at it when checking > my email. > > Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into making this > all work for us. We all owe this guy, please click the donate button from > time to time... > Thanks for the plug, Henry. I'm several months behind in getting out thank yous to some folks. If folks want to be able to send pictures through this list I can set that up. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 23 16:40:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:40:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another note Message-ID: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Something I changed a while back some of you may have noticed. There was a period when a bunch of yahoo and aol email accounts were getting hijacked and send out spam messages to the list. Usually these types of messages would go out to all the addresses in the victim's address book. What I did was to set the maximum number of recipients to a low number, 3. So if you reply to a list message and there are more than three people listed in the to and cc lines, the message gets held for review. That is one reason you may get an error response from the server, and then have to wait a day or so for me to go through and approve legitimate messages. mjb. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Mar 23 16:55:36 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:55:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another note In-Reply-To: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> References: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Thank you for that information. I like the email list. I don't need anymore forums or groups to go to. Chris On Mar 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Something I changed a while back some of you may have noticed. > There was a period when a bunch of yahoo and aol email accounts > were getting hijacked and send out spam messages to the list. > Usually these types of messages would go out to all the addresses > in the victim's address book. What I did was to set the maximum > number of recipients to a low number, 3. So if you reply to a list > message and there are more than three people listed in the to and > cc lines, the message gets held for review. That is one reason you > may get an error response from the server, and then have to wait a day > or so for me to go through and approve legitimate messages. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Mar 23 17:04:02 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:04:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another note In-Reply-To: References: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <514E34E2.6010708@charter.net> I prefer the email list and I get frustrated by some of these forums. Keep it simple Mark Glenn On 3/23/2013 6:55 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Thank you for that information. > > I like the email list. I don't need anymore forums or groups to go to. > > Chris > > On Mar 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > >> Something I changed a while back some of you may have noticed. >> There was a period when a bunch of yahoo and aol email accounts >> were getting hijacked and send out spam messages to the list. >> Usually these types of messages would go out to all the addresses >> in the victim's address book. What I did was to set the maximum >> number of recipients to a low number, 3. So if you reply to a list >> message and there are more than three people listed in the to and >> cc lines, the message gets held for review. That is one reason you >> may get an error response from the server, and then have to wait a day >> or so for me to go through and approve legitimate messages. >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 17:32:09 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:32:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Another note In-Reply-To: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> References: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0B97F2D5-B9EC-4555-A749-82ED5117E1A9@bnj.com> I belong to a number of forums, and they take a lot more of my time and attention than the FOT mail. There's a zillion ways to send photos or movies--the list accepts links. It's easy to upload a wad of photos to any of the photo or video services and provide a link. Like so: http://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Canyonbot.jpg From jaboruch at netzero.com Sat Mar 23 18:16:19 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 00:16:19 GMT Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating Message-ID: <20130323.201619.31731.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> I have been debating the merits of coating a steel shim head gasket with a Fluoroelastomer (Viton) coating. Cometic gaskets are Viton coated. There are Fluoroelastomer coatings available in aerosol cans. Have any of you tried anything like this? Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! From mmoore at wave1.net Sun Mar 24 05:45:27 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:45:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514E1DF6.3050406@bradakis.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <514E1DF6.3050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000801ce2885$144f3620$3ceda260$@net> As a new member I did not realize what donate link was at bottom, would be good idea to remind members every now and then to donate, god knows I wouldn't have the time to do what Mark does and I really appreciate it. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:26 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Even for those of us who are not IT challenged, the mail list format > is preferred! I would probably adapt to checking in on a forum > occasionally, but pushing the content into my email means I will look > at it when checking my email. > > Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into > making this all work for us. We all owe this guy, please click the > donate button from time to time... > Thanks for the plug, Henry. I'm several months behind in getting out thank yous to some folks. If folks want to be able to send pictures through this list I can set that up. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 06:22:32 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:22:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 Event Shirts Message-ID: Ok boys and girls the 2013 version of the Kastner Cup shirts is now ready to order. If you go to the FOT website http://fot-racing.com/feature/2013roadam/shirt.htm you can gaze upon Steve Belfers artistry. The shirts will have the artwork as seen on the web site on the front and we will once again have the competitors names and car info on the backs of the shirts. Ted Schumacher will be taking on the duties of getting the shirts printed. The procedure will be the same as last years orders. You will need to send me an email to trmarty at hotmail.com with the number of shirts you want and sizes. Be sure to include your ship to address and contact phone number even if you intend to pick them up at the event. You can either have Ted mail you the shirts or pick them up at the Road America event. I will start taking orders now and stop taking them on July 15th. After I compile the order a few days after the July 15 cutoff date I will send emails out to the email addresses you sent me when you ordered the shirt advising you that it is time to contact Ted and make your arrangements to pay Ted directly. The prices for the shirts will be as follows, S-XL $15.00, for XXL add $2.80, for XXL, add $3.00. These prices will be plus mailing cost if you have Ted mail them. That my preferred method :). From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 06:44:31 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:44:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need Names for the Kastner Cup Shirts Message-ID: As you have read in my previous email we are once again including the the Kastner Cup competitors names and car info on the back of the shirts. If you are planning on competing in this years Kastner Cup at Road America please send me an email to trmarty at hotmail.com with KC Shirt Names in the subject line with your first and last name, your car model and your car number. If you know of any Triumph folks that are planning on competing but do not do the list stuff please forward this info to them so their info can be included on the shirts as well. From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 07:11:37 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Shirt order update Message-ID: When you send me the shirt order please include if you will be picking them up at the track or getting them mailed to you. Also, the $3.00 up charge was for XXXL shirts. I left off an X. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 24 08:40:02 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:40:02 +0100 Subject: [Fot] US cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301ce289d$79d43550$6d7c9ff0$@com> I was looking for an US tow car and bought a H3. I was not sure about the offroad capabilities but now - after a mud bath - I'm deeply impressed. Great US car - chapeau! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p4zAcY53pQ Cheers Chris From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 24 12:06:51 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:06:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] US cars Message-ID: <18171.1364148411@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Sorry you got one of those. You could of had the real deal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps [1] Charly On Sun 24/03/13 7:40 AM , "MadMarx" tr4racing at googlemail.com sent: I was looking for an US tow car and bought a H3. I was not sure about the offroad capabilities but now - after a mud bath - I'm deeply impressed. Great US car - chapeau! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p4zAcY53pQ [2] Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [4] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [5] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [6] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [7] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [8] Links: ------ [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.co m%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3p4zAcY53pQ [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [8] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 24 12:16:10 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:16:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] US cars In-Reply-To: <18171.1364148411@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <18171.1364148411@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <000301ce28bb$ac2340f0$0469c2d0$@com> Ahb&.hmmmmb&..too many women sitting in those. Chris Von: Charly [mailto:charly at mitchelplumbing.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. MC$rz 2013 19:07 An: 'FOT'; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] US cars Sorry you got one of those. You could of had the real deal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps Charly On Sun 24/03/13 7:40 AM , "MadMarx" tr4racing at googlemail.com sent: I was looking for an US tow car and bought a H3. I was not sure about the offroad capabilities but now - after a mud bath - I'm deeply impressed. Great US car - chapeau! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p4zAcY53pQ Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 24 12:34:11 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] US cars Message-ID: <5b829.1bd185e.3e80a123@aol.com> Yeah, that's always been my complaint. Too many women jumping into my Range Rover..... In a message dated 3/24/2013 11:22:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 24 12:35:47 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:35:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] US cars In-Reply-To: <5b829.1bd185e.3e80a123@aol.com> References: <5b829.1bd185e.3e80a123@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01ce28be$69b06bf0$3d1143d0$@com> Well  The bad thing with a Range Rover is, that the young ladies jumping on the drivers seat. The good thing with Hummer is that the young ladies taking place on all other seats J Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Mdrz 2013 19:34 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; charly at mitchelplumbing.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] US cars Yeah, that's always been my complaint. Too many women jumping into my Range Rover..... In a message dated 3/24/2013 11:22:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 24 15:22:56 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Message-ID: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Mar 24 15:46:56 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:46:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: That is a terrific book! The author has a actually raced cars. He was spot on with so many facts. Highly recommend! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Mar 24 16:16:29 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:16:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill, I have it sitting on my desk, but yet to start it. I'm a bit leery of the ending. I do love dogs. Terry Stetler From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 16:32:07 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:32:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: Just a fun great book. Read a few months ago, you will enjoy it. I inderstand the author is a racer in Northern California as he describes the track at Thunder Hill. fun and funny. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > That is a terrific book! The author has a actually raced cars. He was > spot on with so many facts. Highly recommend! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Amici... > > > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent > reference to > > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something > about > > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be > told > > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is > self-educated > > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and > racing...for that > > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 17:53:03 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:53:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <19C10687-C56F-419A-A5A0-7D7E358AD96D@bnj.com> Good book, a Seattle guy, as if that wasn't obvious. On Mar 24, 2013, at 11:22 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From tr6nut at verizon.net Sun Mar 24 18:28:29 2013 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:28:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <514F9A2D.7050802@verizon.net> I read it last year. A very good read. Hugh Barber On 3/24/2013 5:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6nut at verizon.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 19:44:04 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] K Cup shirt questions Message-ID: Please re-read below from the original post so I wont have to answer this individually as I am getting allot of questions and it's only Sunday night. :) Thanks, Marty Be sure to include your ship to address and contact phone number even if you intend to pick them up at the event. You can either have Ted mail you the shirts or pick them up at the Road America event. I will start taking orders now and stop taking them on July 15th. After I compile the order a few days after the July 15 cutoff date I will send emails out to the email addresses you sent me when you ordered the shirt advising you that it is time to contact Ted and make your arrangements to pay From mlcooknj at msn.com Sun Mar 24 20:12:12 2013 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:12:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: I have read it through twice and will probably do it again in future. It's a rare book about car people that can be appreciated by non-car folks as well. Mike Cook > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:22:56 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... > > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 24 23:32:28 2013 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:32:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: Truly wonderful book. Setting is not only Seattle but also my childhood stomping grounds on Mercer Island. Pretty sure I know the house the "evil grandparents" lived in. Supposed to be coming out in a movie. Barley would have been a shoe-in. We actually almost got him a audition. Of course, Barley had enough "racer balance" that he didn't need to be belted in with a sheet but we tried that once too and he didn't seem to mind. Great book but keep the tissues close by. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque New Mexico... and gunnin' for Road America On Mar 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The > Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent > reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which > keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows > something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story > to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is > told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is > self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could > probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and > racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 06:17:18 2013 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Very good book. I have loaned my copy to many others who have enjoyed the book as well. ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 24 15:35:35 2013 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steve Benford Jr.) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:35:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Message-ID: <6ba2ydb1utf3hwq0vcruj65b.1364160935079@email.android.com> Great read. I know the story sounds corny but it really is a wonderful story. NOT a Burt book, but written by a real racer. It will touch your soul but you will have to read it to understand why. BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Amici... > >Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of >Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to >it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps >coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about >racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told >about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told >the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated >via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably >save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that >matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net From riverside at southslope.net Mon Mar 25 11:01:35 2013 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My wife bought it for me a couple years ago thinking it was just a car book. What a great surprise to find a dog book between the covers! The perfect book: a knowledgeable picture of racing and great yarn told by a smart dog. I have loaned it out several times. To those not yet to the end: You're gonna love it! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:17 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Very good book. I have loaned my copy to many others who have enjoyed the book as well. ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 12:31:00 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had the good fortune to hear Garth speak at our small, local Alfa club meeting last month and to speak with him afterwards. He did indeed race Spec Miata in our Pacific NW Internation Conference of Sports Car Clubs. I saw the hood at a local shop wwith his signature. It was somewhat crumpled! Don Kitch, who is mentioned in the book is a real person and he does run ProformanceRace Drving School at Pacific Raceways. Garth told lots of stories about events that the book has triggered in his life. Two great ones were about the relationship that developed with Ferrari following the bookd sucess: Getting a 450 and a photographer for a day in LA and, in Modena getting a one on one factory tour that very unexpectedly included a tour of the design shop [visitors are never allowed there!] directed by Luca Cordero di Montezemolo [chairman of Ferrari] himself. He is a very friendly and approachable guy. For all you budding authors, note that his agent at the time could not get the book published as "Who would read a book written from a dog's perspective?". Big mistake, book is now in 30 languages and over 10 million copies sold. Chuck From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 13:07:31 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:07:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, and also. the name for the book came from a two page write up Don Kitch gives to all his SCCA class students -- very necessary info for the NW. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Mon, 25 Mar 2013, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > > He is a very friendly and approachable guy. For all you budding authors, >> note that his agent at the time could not get the book published as "Who >> would read a book written from a dog's perspective?". Big mistake, book >> is >> now in 30 languages and over 10 million copies sold. >> > > LIKE!!!! > > I'm not a budding author, but I always root for the little guy! > > Chuck >> > > Hope all is well in the PAC NW > > l8r, > rml > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- From peter at nosimport.com Mon Mar 25 13:44:17 2013 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:44:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Message-ID: <20130325194409.C6A66F441C9@mx2.netinteraction.com> >. NOT a Burt book, but written by a real racer. now THAT'S funny....... It IS a great book, btw. Peter C From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Mar 25 13:49:37 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <5150AA51.9050408@pobox.com> For those of you who are lazy (like me) it is also available in audible form. Would be a good book to listen to while on a long tow to a race. I immediately thought of Barley and Lunker when I heard it, since he has the dog and the Seattle background. Larry From apackard68 at att.net Mon Mar 25 13:56:14 2013 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andy Packard) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:56:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <20130325194409.C6A66F441C9@mx2.netinteraction.com> References: <20130325194409.C6A66F441C9@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: <63C8061E-24DB-41FD-8499-859312236DF9@att.net> Just bought it on iBooks for 2.99. Good read for the train. Andy Packard Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: >> . NOT a Burt book, but written by a real racer. > > > now THAT'S funny....... > > > > It IS a great book, btw. > > > Peter C > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68 at att.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 11:44:49 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:44:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Message-ID: Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 12:22:52 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:22:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Vince Garrett 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk #144 Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) Registered with CASC Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following all you experts around the course :) Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. Looking forward! Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > subtractions. > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Tue Mar 26 12:30:48 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:30:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD2EB@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Ed Dunn 1964 Spitfire #22 or maybe; 1971 GT6 #757 Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:45 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 12:51:56 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:51:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <8CFF86793C0FF9F-26AC-10036@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFF86793C0FF9F-26AC-10036@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: LOL. maybe I'll miss Canada corner on the last lap so I might get home quicker AND with a big smile on my face :) Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 2:33 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > Vince, > > We are going to have a big six cylinder showing. > > Equipment and Drivers are all over the map in preparation and speed. > You will have someone to race with and plenty of support in the paddock. > > We are pleased we are going to have great representation from Canada. > > Remember, if you miss CANADA CORNER, you may end up back in Canada. > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 1:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > > > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for > > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in > > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before > > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > > subtractions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty Sukey > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Mar 26 13:00:12 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the drivers seat... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Vince G To: marty sukey Cc: FOT Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Vince Garrett 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk #144 Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) Registered with CASC Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following all you experts around the course :) Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. Looking forward! Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > subtractions. > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From sjanzen at me.com Tue Mar 26 14:27:17 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little buggers, if we are all still running by September. That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: 1970 Triumph GT-6+ #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the drivers seat... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Vince G To: marty sukey Cc: FOT Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Vince Garrett 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk #144 Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) Registered with CASC Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following all you experts around the course :) Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. Looking forward! Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > subtractions. > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Mar 26 17:24:44 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:24:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> I always thought that was the MGs Sent from my mobile device On Mar 26, 2013, at 6:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little >> buggers, if we are all still running by September. >> That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ >> #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the >> drivers >> seat... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Vince G >> To: marty sukey >> Cc: FOT >> Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers >> >> Vince Garrett >> 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk >> #144 >> Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) >> Registered with CASC >> >> Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun >> following >> all you experts around the course :) >> >> Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... >> >> My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. >> >> Looking forward! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: >> >>> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started >> for >>> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event >> in >>> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >>> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >>> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >>> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. >> Before >>> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >>> subtractions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Marty Sukey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 19:46:31 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:46:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I here yu. Mines in pieces and in deep freeze... Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 3:00 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Mar 27 08:43:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA.ORG News you can use....KASTNER CUP 2013 Message-ID: <8CFF910A3C07A38-26AC-17BCF@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> VSCDA.ORG is beginning to flesh out information on ELVF and the KASTNER CUP. Please monitor this site as it may answer your questions. There is also a link to ROADAMERICA.COM. Everyone should review these sites, that plan to go. There is something for everyone, whether you are driving or not. TOURING ON THE TRACK SATURDAY AND SUNDAY OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT SATURDAY AFTERNOON (RACE & STREET) WELCOME DINNER FRIDAY NIGHT FOR CREW AND OVERCREW PLUS TRIUMPH CAR SHOW (RACE & STREET) GATHER ON THE GREEN. A CAR SHOW AND LIVE MUSIC AT THE OSTHOFF. (SUBMIT YOUR CAR FOR ACCEPTANCE. SATURDAY NIGHT BANQUET FEATURING KAS KASTNER AS SPEAKER. KASTNER CUP IS ON SUNDAY AND AWARDS WILL BE PRESENTED AT THE PODIUM.....WE PLAN ON AN AWARD FOR EACH MODEL TRIUMPH....IN ADDITION TO THE KASTNER CUP....THIS IS A FIRST. Notes: We will want to get as many folks on CREW & OVERCREW as we can. There is some work going on to streamline this process. This will get us all together at the WELCOME DINNER as it should be. This is on Friday night. Thursday night: We are planning to do GROUP TECH in our FOT PADDOCK area...likely between 4-6 PM. I have inquired with a local restaurant that will deliver broasted chicken and pizza to the gate on THURSDAY evening so we can remain on site. Details to be worked out. Early indications: ENTRIES may be a record breaker....certainly this may be the most significant Kastner Cup we have ever had. Please feel to edit and publish this information if you are involved with CLUBS and PUBLICATIONS. Thanks! Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 26 15:29:50 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:29:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <096F66A4-078F-47A5-9D4C-44C120318F39@aol.com> Six.... ;) Chuck On Mar 26, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Mar 26 15:40:27 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:40:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14E20477-659E-4F29-80A8-9B855ADD8B94@comcast.net> I hear they are pack hunters. Jimg Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Mar 26 16:06:22 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:06:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Mar 26 18:29:25 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:29:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> Message-ID: John, I've moved on to dropping tacks. The smoke screen just seemed too temporary for a race as big as the Kastner Cup. Since Road America is so long, the heads on the tacks wear down over the coarse of a lap and have seemed to go undetected thus far, resulting in a race ending slow leak. Try to get ahead this time, There's no telling what might happen to you back there. These Kastner Cup races are getting pretty competitive. Since I've tried to keep the car legal to the 1972 regulations, you'll perhaps be surprised that the GCR says nothing about prohibiting the dropping of tacks. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:24:44 To: John Hasty Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers I always thought that was the MGs Sent from my mobile device On Mar 26, 2013, at 6:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little >> buggers, if we are all still running by September. >> That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ >> #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the >> drivers >> seat... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Vince G >> To: marty sukey >> Cc: FOT >> Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers >> >> Vince Garrett >> 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk >> #144 >> Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) >> Registered with CASC >> >> Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun >> following >> all you experts around the course :) >> >> Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... >> >> My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. >> >> Looking forward! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: >> >>> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started >> for >>> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event >> in >>> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >>> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >>> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >>> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. >> Before >>> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >>> subtractions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Marty Sukey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 19:45:17 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:45:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Awesome Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 4:29 PM, "Scott Janzen" wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 26 20:14:58 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301ce2a90$e322a9c0$a967fd40$@com> Tim and Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 VSCDA ERA Correct Two large T-shirts, please Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:45 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Mar 27 06:47:22 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:47:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> Message-ID: <001a01ce2ae9$3a2171e0$ae6455a0$@comcast.net> OK Scot when did you buy the MG?? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:25 PM To: John Hasty Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers I always thought that was the MGs Sent from my mobile device On Mar 26, 2013, at 6:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision > goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little >> buggers, if we are all still running by September. >> That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ >> #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in >> the drivers seat... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Vince G >> To: marty sukey >> Cc: FOT >> Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers >> >> Vince Garrett >> 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk >> #144 >> Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) >> Registered with CASC >> >> Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun >> following >> all you experts around the course :) >> >> Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... >> >> My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. >> >> Looking forward! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: >> >>> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even >>> started >> for >>> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event >> in >>> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the >>> shirt list, >>> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to >>> the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up >>> front planning >>> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. >> Before >>> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions >>> or subtractions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Marty Sukey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Mar 27 11:56:19 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:56:19 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501ce2b14$65b516b0$311f4410$@com> I've booked a flight to come and about 3 people would lend their cars to me to have a go with you guys. I also share a room with one of you so all lights are on go for the event :-) Cheers Chris Marx from Germany -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von marty sukey Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Mdrz 2013 18:45 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From dforeman at fooddude.com Wed Mar 27 16:56:17 2013 From: dforeman at fooddude.com (FoodDude) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CVAR/Hallet arrival Message-ID: <01ff01ce2b3e$4bb4a620$e31df260$@fooddude.com> If you want to be admitted Thursday evening, you MUST be registered for the Friday T&T, according to the track. See ya'll there! Dave Foreman #24 1964 Triumph Spitfire #22 1970 Triumph TR6 (Chump) 1964 Triumph TR4 (X2) 1975 Triumph TR6 (a pattern has developed...) From jibjib at att.net Wed Mar 27 18:09:35 2013 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:09:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <7154C58F8242443A9DAA8D21C4C831D4@EntCentPC> Great book. I was not impressed with his other books though. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Mar 27 20:15:37 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP Message-ID: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph related, but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country Reporter, and it shows that not everything has become modernized. Enjoy -Ed- --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: From: Jack L. Tyler Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP To: "Jack L. Tyler" Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM Hi Yball, Just thought you might enjoy this. Jack Tyler B Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few moments and watch this. American Heartland. B B Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. Pepper (soda pop) and B some peanuts". B B http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded B B B B From mark at bradakis.com Wed Mar 27 20:45:20 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:45:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5153AEC0.10905@bradakis.com> Very nice. mjb. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Mar 27 20:43:12 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:43:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001ce2b5d$fed2bde0$fc7839a0$@com> That's probably one of the last machine shops in the country that's run with line shafts! There was one in Fond du Lac (WI), a long narrow shop with a single line shaft, around about 1963 or 1964. I think it was gone by 1970. Too bad, a neat place. At the time it was the only place in town you could get some decent hardware. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:16 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph related, but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country Reporter, and it shows that not everything has become modernized. Enjoy -Ed- --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: From: Jack L. Tyler Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP To: "Jack L. Tyler" Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM Hi Yball, Just thought you might enjoy this. Jack Tyler B Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few moments and watch this. American Heartland. B B Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. Pepper (soda pop) and B some peanuts". B B http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded B B B B _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Mar 27 21:02:36 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:02:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Mar 27 21:25:21 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:25:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: OMG Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-27, at 11:03 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Mar 28 02:35:39 2013 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:35:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and function. Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts stores......... Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Mar 28 06:23:14 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:23:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak the language. Marty > I am going to write to their corporate office. From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 08:01:28 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:01:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <6DD48E55-5C13-4CCF-99D0-8363B6E02497@gmail.com> Napas in our area have disappeared. The last independent auto parts store in Austin sold out about 15 years ago. Curiously, the best service I've had in recent years is from a 20-something young lady at O'Reilly's in Bastrop, TX. I would try to get her to serve me since she would take the time to research, making phone calls to the central catalog library if necessary, until she had exhausted the possibilities. She said her dad made sure she knew how to find what auto parts customers were looking for. Too bad she's moved on, so now all I get is the blank stare and a flat reply of "we don't have that" with no attempt to dig deeper. But -- occasionally I will insist that they keep looking, ignoring what the computer says about their inventory, and calling in to the catalog library if necessary to see what crosses over or what can be ordered. But one of the real gems for non-engine related stuff in Austin is Breed & Co. (Ace) hardware. I can go in there and say, "I'm trying to fabricate something that will perform this function; it has to be made of X and be about so big." These guys (about half of them over retirement age, so probably just working there to stay busy) love a challenge and will often find me something I can adapt to work. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Mar 28, 2013, at 7:23 AM, marty sukey wrote: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak > the language. > > Marty From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Mar 28 08:04:11 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> My recent AutoZone experience: @ parts counter Me: Do you have Champion RN9YC spark plugs in stock? AutoZone Guy: How many do you need? Me: I need four but I'll buy eight if you have them. AZG: What car are they for? Me: I know you don't have the car in your database. AZG: That's the only way I can look them up? Me: You can't search by part number? AZG: No. Me: Really? .well ok, it's a 1962 Triumph Spitfire AZG: Well there's your problem, we don't carry motorcycle parts. Me: It's a car. >Click click click. AZG: No, we don't have that car listed in out parts database but let me check the stock shelves. >At this point AutoZone Guy spends about 5 minutes going through every bin containing Champion spark-plugs looking for RN9YCs. AZG: We don't seem to have them on the shelf; what car was that again? Me: 1962 Triumph Spitfire AZG: we have a '63 Herald with an 1100 engine. Me: That's it. Same engine. What plug does it list? AZG: Champion RN9YC Me: Do you have it in stock? AZG: No. Robert MacKenzie -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:03 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Mar 28 08:42:58 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 OSTHOFF RESERVATIONS Message-ID: <8CFF9D9AC7FE676-26AC-21410@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Our FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH group likely has a record number of advance reservations in place for 1-2-3 Bedroom Suites at the OSTHOFF, for the ELVF. (The suites are very cost effective when shared with other friends and family and loaded with amenities.) We exceeded our contract agreement a long time ago and they wanted to rewrite the contract. I ignored this request, but they have continued to accept reservations........I will be checking on the status of reservations, shortly. If you are having a problem, we will try to work it out. Regard this a last call on this subject. OSTHOFF.COM is their website. When calling in use "FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH" for the discount code. If attempting to reserve online, use "FRIENDS". If you want more days than what is specified in the contract, I am sure they will work with you. The OSTHOFF is the center of several activities on Saturday afternoon. "GATHER ON THE GREEN", LIVE MUSIC, OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT, and the VSCDA BANQUET with KAS as SPEAKER. The OSTHOFF is very close to ROAD AMERICA and once at the OSTHOFF everything in the village is within walking distance. This can be a very pleasurable weekend with low stress, if you are aware of all of the planning. Monitor "VSCDA.ORG" for information as it is loaded in. It will have PDFs on entering GATHER ON THE GREEN, the OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT, as well as DRIVER ENTRIES and TRACK TOURING. VSCDA is a class act and this is likely the best vintage race event in North America Joe Alexander KASTNER CUP 2013 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 08:59:47 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <929881507.232582.1364482787981.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I recently went into an AutoZone to grab a couple head lights for my TR3 and the fellow asked to look up the car. When he looked it up he said they didn't have them in stock. I said, dude just point me to the head light isle and gee wiz, there they were. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "gasket works" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:02:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 28 09:23:43 2013 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:23:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>, <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> Message-ID: This is nothing new for AutoZone... I ran into the same problem back in the early "oughts" with my TR4. I wanted Bosch platinum spark plugs for the Greenman. I had crossed referenced them previously with a Saab plug, which I previously happened across by accident in the auto department of Walmart. The kid at the computer told me "there was no such spark plug as there wasn't anything like a 1962 Triumph TR4 in his computer"... so it didn't exist... I asked to see his manager then took the both of them out to the parking lot to show them the "nonexistent" car. When the manager started getting pissy I walked away. I went to NAPA where there were car guys and not shoe salesmen on staff. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: list at mackenzie.aero > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:04:11 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > My recent AutoZone experience: > @ parts counter > Me: Do you have Champion RN9YC spark plugs in stock? > AutoZone Guy: How many do you need? > Me: I need four but I'll buy eight if you have them. > AZG: What car are they for? > Me: I know you don't have the car in your database. > AZG: That's the only way I can look them up? > Me: You can't search by part number? > AZG: No. > Me: Really? .well ok, it's a 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: Well there's your problem, we don't carry motorcycle parts. > Me: It's a car. > >Click click click. > AZG: No, we don't have that car listed in out parts database but let me > check the stock shelves. > >At this point AutoZone Guy spends about 5 minutes going through every bin > containing Champion spark-plugs looking for RN9YCs. > AZG: We don't seem to have them on the shelf; what car was that again? > Me: 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: we have a '63 Herald with an 1100 engine. > Me: That's it. Same engine. What plug does it list? > AZG: Champion RN9YC > Me: Do you have it in stock? > AZG: No. > > Robert MacKenzie > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:03 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps > 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your > timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked > "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's > on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod > bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I > look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Mar 28 09:30:02 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:30:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH parts are drying up, limited to stock on hand. Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like Chinese food, an hour later you need more. Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closing.html mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services 845-894-8088 From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 09:30:41 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <696282214.234251.1364484641215.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Marty et al, I will be attending the Kastner Cup. I haven't missed one since '08 at The Glen but I still haven't driven in one. I would of course love to be able to drive my TR3 in this years event. I'm working on getting my car accepted in CSRG now and I plan on racing soon. I had the car teched at an HMSA event at Laguna this past weekend and besides the Hoosier Speedsters, it's very close to ready. I need to install a fire extinguisher, knew that, raise the fuel cell vent line, didn't know that and place an on/off sticker next to the safety switch, knew that too. The car weighs 1988 lbs., without driver. Cool. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:44:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 28 09:44:20 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:44:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> Message-ID: I was in my local O'Reilly's and had just the opposite experience. Set an alternator on the counter and the dude says - Oh, I see you've converted it to one-wire. Would you like a one-wire version? Didn't have to jump through the "what car did it come from" dance at all. And, I ordered the spark plugs by number (NGK BP7HS). So not EVERYONE has lost the ability to properly service us. Tony At 10:23 AM 3/28/2013, Greg Petrolati wrote: >This is nothing new for AutoZone... I ran into the same problem back in >the >early "oughts" with my TR4. I wanted Bosch platinum spark plugs for >the >Greenman. I had crossed referenced them previously with a Saab plug, which I >previously happened across by accident in the auto department of Walmart. The >kid at the > computer told me "there was no such spark plug as there wasn't >anything > like a 1962 Triumph TR4 in his computer"... so it didn't exist... I >asked to see his manager then took the both of them out to the parking >lot to >show them the "nonexistent" car. When the manager started getting >pissy I >walked away. I went to NAPA where there were car guys and not shoe salesmen on >staff. > >Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > >That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 28 09:59:27 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <20265.7d3c6b1f.3e85c2df@cs.com> Our favorite NGKBP7HS spark plug is commonly used in GOLF CARS, so they are readily available at most parts stores! > I was in my local O'Reilly's and had just the opposite > experience. Set an alternator on the counter and the dude says - Oh, > I see you've converted it to one-wire. Would you like a one-wire > version? Didn't have to jump through the "what car did it come from" > dance at all. And, I ordered the spark plugs by number (NGK > BP7HS). So not EVERYONE has lost the ability to properly service us. > > Tony > > From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Mar 27 12:58:28 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:58:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: <902F45A5-8067-4F92-9B18-3A573B2512E5@comcast.net> I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some praise for an outstanding vender. I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus on customer service and satisfaction. Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact info. if you have tire needs. Jeffrey A. Speer Product Manager 65465 US Hwy 31 Lakeville, IN 46536 www.hoosiertire.com Phone: 574-784-3152 Fax: 574-784-2385 Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Mar 27 21:56:25 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:56:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <000001ce2b5d$fed2bde0$fc7839a0$@com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000001ce2b5d$fed2bde0$fc7839a0$@com> Message-ID: <701DA799-9AC9-4493-A685-0DC1D67D1A84@comcast.net> I came across a similar place called the Quasdorf Wagon, Machine, and Blacksmith Shop in a little town off I-35 called Wright, Iowa. I was coming back from the Kahler wedding (better know as VTR2002 in Redwing, Minnesota) and found this fascinating little shop. The upstairs was a museum with things like an ancient movie projector run with some Rube Goldberg carbon arc to provide light. Great place to check out. It was not as operational as the Texas shop day to day but the machines (belt driven from the basement) still all worked. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > That's probably one of the last machine shops in the country that's > run with > line shafts! There was one in Fond du Lac (WI), a long narrow shop > with a > single line shaft, around about 1963 or 1964. I think it was gone > by 1970. > Too bad, a neat place. At the time it was the only place in town > you could > get some decent hardware. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:16 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP > > Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph > related, > but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country > Reporter, and > it shows that not everything has become modernized. > Enjoy > -Ed- > > --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: > > > From: Jack L. Tyler > Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP > To: "Jack L. Tyler" > Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM > > > > > > > > Hi Yball, > Just thought you might enjoy this. > Jack Tyler > B > > Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few > moments and > watch this. American Heartland. > > B B > Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. > B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. > Pepper (soda > pop) and B some peanuts". > > B B > http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded > B > B B > B > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From rwestfall at ymail.com Thu Mar 28 07:11:59 2013 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <1364476319.72207.YahooMailMobile@web161806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I can assure you, corporate upper management people at the automotive chains are concerned with one thing, corporate profit. That's as it should be, it is after all a business, however, these businesses have completely lost track of what a parts store is. The take away is, if you need air freshener, tune up in a can, or a cutesy key chain, go to Pep Boys, Auto Zone, or Advanced. If you need parts, and parts knowledge find an independently owned parts store that serves the independent repair shops in your area. They are getting rare, but they are still out there. From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 07:42:29 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:42:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I fill the same way I guess guys..when I stop at my local store now they quit asking me what the part is for or drive......now they ask what the part is suppose to go on....and they are still puzzled...so I bring my own parts numbers now....that gets rid of the "bewildered look"....sometimes On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 8:23 AM, marty sukey wrote: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak > the language. > > Marty > > > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 28 07:42:23 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:42:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: The thing I most long for most 40 or 50 years ago is to be 37 again! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:36 AM To: gasket.works at gte.net; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and function. Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts stores......... Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 08:07:00 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:07:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone and asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed the make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it was a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a flat12 And sat back to watch his head implode. Jim g. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:23 AM, marty sukey wrote: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak > the language. > > Marty > > >> I am going to write to their corporate office. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Mar 28 08:17:07 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <6478.683ecabf.3e85aae3@aol.com> In a message dated 03/28/2013 6:28:24 AM Central Standard Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from > a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that > speak > the language. > I know babushkas, the ladies wear them on the South side of Milwaukee, in the winter...with their galoshes. We've still got two great NAPA stores nearby. Both know what they're doing. Bill Dentinger From wensley_tr at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 08:31:34 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:31:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <000e01ce2bc0$f3319070$d994b150$@comcast.net> Damm...What do you guys want they only make 18.00 an hour and not allowed to over 35 hours a week. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:23 AM To: gasket.works at gte.net; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak the language. Marty > I am going to write to their corporate office. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 28 09:58:24 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CFF9E436779518-1D24-1CC79@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Sadly its not about servicing, supplying and knowledge sharing from the current crop of " Auto Parts Stores ". It's about the most PROFIT one can gain from the product on the shelf (?). Parts made in distant lands by people promised a better way of life who could care less about what they are making. Corporate heads making decisions of who is their supplier and really caring less about any concerns the parts they are offering will fit, work or even look like the part it is to replace. Just as long as the profit margin is large enough to secure their next bonus checks. Quality is but a distant memory. As for the clerk behind the counter ... you get what you pay for, these people are usually only making minimum wage. This satisfy's the corporate heads as labor rates are low thus keeping overhead costs down ... more profits. Besides their belief is everything is on the computer and that info is all that is needed for knowledge for their employees. Thus you don't need to know the difference between a rod bearing from a wheel bearing, or where they are on a vehicle. They are pressured to sell the cheap no name part to the customer meaning the most profit for the corporation. A few years ago I took an automotive technician course at one of those schools. When subjects like brakes and ignitions came up most of the younglings in the class were unfamiliar with drum brakes or distributors. And totally baffled by points and condensers. These topics were briefly reviewed during the course. So needless to say when I brought one of my Spitfires in for study work in the lab several of my classmates were curious about the distributor and its workings. Good for some extra credits from my instructor. I have found that most of these parts places have web sites where I can look up their part numbers for the part I am looking for. I write this info down and then go shopping. If the clerk behind the counter wont use the numbers I will then ask for the manager. This gets me my parts and usually the clerk gets a little education from his superior. Finally, I always shop for the brand name part for critical items as its worth the extra money for a quality part that fits so I only have to make the repair once. Unfortunately for our Triumphs the quality parts are becoming harder to find as the parts made in China it seems are the only way our parts are being reproduced. I find it harder, these past several years, to locate any last bits of NOS parts left. Though blogs and some web sites prove invaluable for info on what and where to locate these better quality parts for our Triumphs. Keep searching, Bob T '63 Spitfire street '64 Spitfire GT autocrosser PS these stores could eliminate about 40 % of the crap on their shelves and still serve their customers as they do now. Air Freshener dodads ? Why ? -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: gasket.works ; 'FOT' Sent: Thu, Mar 28, 2013 4:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and veryone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads ho contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, hey had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer f dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and t always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different melling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third orld country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and unction. elcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts tores......... e, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! Russ Moore -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of gasket.works at gte.net ent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM o: FOT ubject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 8y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your iming lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that ime I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different lerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 hevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" oment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's n first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod earings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I ook at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I hought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M ent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 10:03:35 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:03:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <696282214.234251.1364484641215.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <696282214.234251.1364484641215.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201ce2bcd$cdcfc9c0$696f5d40$@net> Hi Dave...I expect to be teching at the CSRG April 5-7..If Ken Kirk is there it would be a great chance for Ken/CSRG to take a look at your car ...you probably have his # but here it is..415 307 9017 csrgcarclass at aol.com I'm greatly excited for you! Racer Bud -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of davehogye Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:31 AM To: marty sukey Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Marty et al, I will be attending the Kastner Cup. I haven't missed one since '08 at The Glen but I still haven't driven in one. I would of course love to be able to drive my TR3 in this years event. I'm working on getting my car accepted in CSRG now and I plan on racing soon. I had the car teched at an HMSA event at Laguna this past weekend and besides the Hoosier Speedsters, it's very close to ready. I need to install a fire extinguisher, knew that, raise the fuel cell vent line, didn't know that and place an on/off sticker next to the safety switch, knew that too. The car weighs 1988 lbs., without driver. Cool. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:44:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From craigl at leinickegroup.com Thu Mar 28 07:59:03 2013 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:59:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: To add to this thread, a couple of years ago I asked the same 20+ year old counter clerk at a local auto parts store about rear shock absorbers for a Triumph TR7... He looked me square in the eye and said "Who makes Triumph?" When I replied... "Triumph makes Triumph" he looked at me like I had just stepped off a space ship and had a third eye in the middle of my forehead. Needless to say, I didn't buy any parts that day. I understand that this fellow probably wasn't born in 1981 when Triumph production came to an end but you would think anyone with enough interest to work in the automotive field would recognize major British auto manufacturers. The reality is that all of us have more knowledge about the workings of automobiles than 90% of the people working the auto parts counters today. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing On 3/28/13 3:35 AM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and > everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads > who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, > they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer > of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and > it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different > smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third > world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and > function. > Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts > stores......... > Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps > 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your > timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked > "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's > on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod > bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I > look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 10:09:03 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:09:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some praise for an outstanding vender. I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus on customer service and satisfaction. Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact info. if you have tire needs. Jeffrey A. Speer Product Manager 65465 US Hwy 31 Lakeville, IN 46536 www.hoosiertire.com Phone: 574-784-3152 Fax: 574-784-2385 Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From jerrybarr at charter.net Thu Mar 28 10:12:54 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:12:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00A316F2-0E01-4ED8-8326-1ADCC9D11484@charter.net> After high school I served a 4 year machinist apprenticeship at Allis Chalmers in West Allis Wisconsin. I served in the heavy industry shops machining and building large steam turbines, generators, rod and ball mills. I got to run amazingly large machines such as 16' boring mills. I didn't get to run the 40' boring mill but got to help running it. The bigger boring mills had basements under them for access to the drive system, we had a 7" boring bar with a huge table 100 feet square come to mind. One job that was a lot of fun was boring the main bearing bores and blade ring grooves on the high, intermediate, and low pressure turbine housings. I would operate the machine while the machinist was inside the housing setting the tool and could not get out until the cut was done and the bar was disconnected. I got to run an engine lathe that had a 12' faceplate and 100 foot long bed. We used it to rough out the turbine main shaft before they were sent out for heat treating. When it came back we would finish machine the shaft and cut in the blade ring grooves. I got to operate other machines such as a 12' planer mill, 8' planer, huge radial arm drill presses. What a wonderful experience! All this was done before automation. On Mar 27, 2013, at 9:15 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph related, > but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country Reporter, and > it shows that not everything has become modernized. > Enjoy > -Ed- > > --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: > > > From: Jack L. Tyler > Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP > To: "Jack L. Tyler" > Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM > > > > > > > > Hi Yball, > Just thought you might enjoy this. > Jack Tyler > B > > Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few moments and > watch this. American Heartland. > > B B > Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. > B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. Pepper (soda > pop) and B some peanuts". > > B B > http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded > B > B B > B > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 28 10:42:55 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:42:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E7FEA81-F217-4190-82ED-538D106E0D67@austin.rr.com> Quinton Hazell used to be the JC Whitney brand....how far we have (not) come!! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:30 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH parts > are drying up, limited to stock on hand. > Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like Chinese > food, an hour later you need more. > > > Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing > > http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closing .html > > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > 845-894-8088 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 28 10:50:09 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:50:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Parts stores Message-ID: <515474C1.3080500@bradakis.com> Back when I was using a TR6 as my daily driver I usually had no problem getting parts. There was a parts store within walking distance and the manager owned a TR6 himself. That was nice. There is one old school parts place way down in Sandy. I used to enjoy delivering there when I was a driver. Back then they had a project - rebuilding the engine for a 1904 Cadillac. You won't see THAT at Autozone! mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 11:08:06 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:08:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Parts stores In-Reply-To: <515474C1.3080500@bradakis.com> References: <515474C1.3080500@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <003d01ce2bd6$d13cedf0$73b6c9d0$@net> The NAPA store here in Sonoma is very versatile...very personal..I brought in a burned out weird bulb from an old Flarestat emergency flasher..bingo..they had one.. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:50 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Parts stores Back when I was using a TR6 as my daily driver I usually had no problem getting parts. There was a parts store within walking distance and the manager owned a TR6 himself. That was nice. There is one old school parts place way down in Sandy. I used to enjoy delivering there when I was a driver. Back then they had a project - rebuilding the engine for a 1904 Cadillac. You won't see THAT at Autozone! mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Mar 28 14:07:40 2013 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:07:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another reason to call Hoosier tires "purple crack" Sent from my iPad On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Bud R wrote: > I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't > provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some > praise for an outstanding vender. > > I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and > Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with > the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. > > Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the > air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company > that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. > It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus > on customer service and satisfaction. > > Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his > people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact > info. if you have tire needs. > > > Jeffrey A. Speer > Product Manager > > > 65465 US Hwy 31 > Lakeville, IN 46536 > www.hoosiertire.com > Phone: 574-784-3152 > Fax: 574-784-2385 > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Mar 28 16:50:09 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:50:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl cam bearings Message-ID: <5154C921.2090500@pobox.com> I know this has been discussed, but I must have been asleep, so I apologize. As I understand it, if you want to put cam bearings in a 6 cylinder TR, you use Spitfire 1296 bearings (1 or 2 sets?). The block must be bored from 1.9680 - 1.9695. The bearing journals on the cam must be ground to fit the bearings. Doesn't this restrict the cam lift? What is the cam bearing ID compared to the stock setup with no bearing? Thanks, Larry From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Mar 28 11:20:20 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:20:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <51547BD4.4060309@dfn.com> On 3/28/2013 2:35 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: > I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and > everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads > who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, > they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer > of dust. My favorite story along these lines was when I lived in MI in the `70s. There was an old, old auto parts store downtown that had been around since the days when the Model T was new. A guy I knew did repairs at home, and one day, someone dropped off a `30s-era Chris Craft mahogany runabout and asked him to get the engine going. He looked it over and decided that the engine was toast--just a big pile of rust, inside and out. But, he kept it in mind, thinking he might get lucky and find the parts for it he needed. One day, he was at the aforementioned parts store, and happened to mention that he was looking for engine parts for a Chris Craft. The son of the original owner, a fellow then in his 70s, overheard him and said, "follow me." He went up a ladder to the second floor, and another ladder to the third floor, and in the back of building was a crated Hercules engine still in cosmoline. They pulled back the tarp, wiped off the cosmo, and discovered that the crated engine's last serial number digit was four off from the one in the boat. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Mar 28 17:39:51 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:39:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. After asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some times I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will take the time to match up what you want with what they have. Larry On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: > I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone and > asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed the > make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it was > a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a > flat12 > And sat back to watch his head implode. > Jim g. From bownes at seiri.com Thu Mar 28 18:15:51 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes - Seiri) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:15:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> My favorite answer for the make model year question is 1958 Wartburg. :) On Mar 28, 2013, at 19:39, Larry Young wrote: > Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. After asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. > > I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some times I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will take the time to match up what you want with what they have. > Larry > > > On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: >> I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone and >> asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed the >> make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it was >> a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a >> flat12 >> And sat back to watch his head implode. >> Jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Mar 28 18:22:16 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:22:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry><5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry><5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> Message-ID: I fooled my local Auto Value, who actually are pretty good they have been around a long time, the other day by asking for an oil filter for a 1997 Pontiac Firebird. The counter guy said, "Wait, did you say 1997?" Hehe. I always am asking for some part for pre 1960 cars, or some obscure foreign thing, you know, like Triumph parts, so I ambushed them with a modern part. Pretty funny. Terry Stetler From tr4 at wi.rr.com Thu Mar 28 18:27:42 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:27:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl cam bearings In-Reply-To: <5154C921.2090500@pobox.com> Message-ID: Larry, Many of the parts providers sell cam bearing sets for the TR6 blocks so that you don't have to buy two sets of Spitfire bearings. The block needs then to be line bored to the specs you stated. The number of machine shops that have the necessary machines and knowledge are becoming few and far between so make sure you have an experienced person in your area. I just had this procedure performed on a block for a customer by a reputable company and the cost was in the area of $375.00 with boring, fitting and cleaning of the block. You do not need to alter the camshaft in any way and any standard diameter TR6 camshaft will fit but the bearings may need some "fitting" which is in the cost I provided. Now for my opinion!!! If you are racing this engine at full bore with a very high lift camshaft then I would not hesitate fitting the bearings but be prepared to replace these every time you freshen the engine. The stock TR6 has a high chrome content and wears very little and what I have seen over the years is more worn cams than blocks! I have seen a good number of street and lower power race engines with little to no wear after 80k miles! Just my opinion! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:50 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl cam bearings I know this has been discussed, but I must have been asleep, so I apologize. As I understand it, if you want to put cam bearings in a 6 cylinder TR, you use Spitfire 1296 bearings (1 or 2 sets?). The block must be bored from 1.9680 - 1.9695. The bearing journals on the cam must be ground to fit the bearings. Doesn't this restrict the cam lift? What is the cam bearing ID compared to the stock setup with no bearing? Thanks, Larry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Mar 28 18:42:52 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GREENWOOD, INC 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF FIRST RACE IN jUNE Message-ID: <8CFFA2D7AE70549-1600-2312C@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Got a call from Shawn Frank today. Today it was decided to hold a reunion at the old GREENWOOD course near Indianola, IA. Shawn and Steve Meyer are both FOT and both involved. The embryonic website is GREENWOODREVIVAL.COM I think the date is going to be June 8th for the festivities. I should be there. I was there 50 years ago with my MG-TD and working T-1. I suspect that more than a few of us are familiar with this 1960s effort to bring ROAD RACING to IOWA. SCCA REGIONAL CLUBS were actually quite active in IOWA during the 50s and 60s. Check it out. The track is in very sad shape, but it is still there. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 19:06:37 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:06:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the station! >> >> >> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 19:10:58 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:10:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about 1965 RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:07 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the station! >> >> >> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Mar 28 19:25:47 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:25:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> Message-ID: My clearest memory of my only childhood trip to Disneyworld in the early 70's was the awesome Gulf station with about 16 fill-up lanes. Who needs Mickey. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:06 PM, "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" wrote: > This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the > station! > >>> >>> >>> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Mar 28 19:25:53 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:25:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <1689424031-1364520351-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1279903135-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Another... I went to local pep boys for a 6 volt battery. (It was for a 1914 cadillac I have.) The fellow asks what car and year. I tell him. He can't find it in computer, Duh. Then I say its for a 1932 Model A ford. Not in computer either. Ok I say... Do you have any 6 volt batteries? I don't know he says. Can you look? What do they look like? M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From jason at multivintage.com Thu Mar 28 20:13:35 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:13:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup Message-ID: Good News for ALL Kastner Cup Attendees!!! >From the outset, one of the key aspects for planning this year's "Kastner Cup" was to somehow have all the Triumph folks in one localized paddock area. Over the past couple days some major strides have been made with VSCDA and Road America Regarding an EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK for our entire weekend. The FOT has strength in numbers. VSCDA and ROAD AMERICA have seemed to realize how big this event is and they are working with us nicely. Joe has been putting in tons of effort on FOT's behalf. This will be a special event. Thanks to Joe's aggressive 5 star service. So, Long Story Short.... FOT will have 1) Our own EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH ONLY paddock area. 2) Our own dedicated garage type hospitality structure (holds 36 cars and will serve as our HUB of Triumph activity) 3) Electric. Power will be available to anyone who rents a garage space. (driver cost for garage slot and power = $50.00) OFFICIAL NOTICE TO ALL Kastner Cup Driver's and teams: At this point Here's your 3 options for use of the Exclusive Triumph Paddock (All entrants must pick one of the following options and contact jason at multivintage.com with the details.) A) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you don't want a garage space or power. WHAT YOU NEED to Do...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size, c) additional space next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space. Cost is Zero, your spot is secured. Example: John Reed, 1969 Triumph GT6+ #69, Honda minivan and 12' open trailer, 12x12 ez-up and large tent. B) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you want a garage spot and power. WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size c) additional space needed next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space Cost is $50.00 per car using the garage spot, your spot is secured. (you must snail mail a check payable to "Wonderland" to Wonderland Multivintage 3731 Grand Blvd, Brookfield IL 60513.) Example: Tony Garmey, Triumph 250k, Bill Hart, Triumph Devin, killer Ferrari transport vehicle, 110' rig with 60'x40' cannopy. staying at hotel. Bill's Devin only in the garage = $50.00 sent to Wonderland Tony and Bill will both use the garage = $100.00 sent to Wonderland. C) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you are "Grandfathered in" to a spot far better than we are offering at this time because you have earned a high status among the RA elite and are a "shareholder with benefits." WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) Jock strap size c) When is the Wine and Cheese Party? d) which cheese will we be able to smell from the "EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK"? e) Submit an essay about "what it was like to race before electricity was invented". Cost is Zero, your spot is secured (but not by me) Unfortunately, you may need to walk or drive down a substantial hill to be with other Triumph people. If, by some chance, your concept of enjoying "the kastner cup" are not recognized by any of the above options, No Problem! Contact jason at multivintage.com with details and a custom plan will be made to accomodate your needs. Overview: this will be the best Kastner Cup yet! Sorry but I am unable to provide a photo of the garage structure in this email. If this is a critical point and you would like to see a photo of the garage building in question I could send you a photo attachment. Regardless, The Lester Garages and surrounding area will house the FOT for the entire weekend. This will be the HUB for Triumph activity. This will be the central area for poster signing/distribution of Triumph related materials. The Lester garages will serve as a resting place and center for invited guests of our group such as Kas and Peggy Kastner and All other FOT people. This garage and surrounding area will be a centralized location for all we are doing. It will be "THE TRIUMPH AREA" ...NICE!!! Triumph Group Tech will also happen in this area!!! Thursday eve. no matter what... if you are racing at this event, you must decide your paddock requirements and contact me with one of the choices listed above. Thank you very much! Adress all paddock questions and inquirys to me at jason at multivintage.com(no exceptions) and every attempt will be made to accomodate your needs. Jason Ostrowski Paddock Master 2013 Kastner Cup at RA. From jason at multivintage.com Thu Mar 28 21:37:33 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:37:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PADDOCK general questions and detals Message-ID: The "Lester" garages that FOT will have for the weekend are not fully enclosed. It is a solid, nicely covered, perfectly smooth, blacktopped, "open plan" garage. It houses a total of 36 cars and various equipment. Each spot is 10x15. It is next to the track after turn 14 on the inside of the track. Great access to turn 5 viewing and some other great spots. It is ours for the weekend. But we paid for it. "someone" did. And the cost of these spots are up for use as a show platform for what we do. We (FOT) would like to "sell" these 30 spots. (Basically to recoup our costs to get some of what we need and want...hospitality tent, local area, power) First come, first served. "What do people do with garage space versus space next to trailer during a race day -- between sessions?" That is up to you, the whole idea is to try to get trailers close as possible. But the 30+ spot garage is the 'exrta bounus' and will perhaps be something yet unseen Kastner Cup Awesomeness. and also pretty *** cool. It will have cars on show... and perhaps cars being worked on. I suppose what you do in your garage spot is dependant on how well you are prepared for "The Kastner Cup". What space does one have in the garage? about 10X15. But understand this is not like your own private garage. good or bad, Kastner, FoT and all the hoards of Triumph fans will be able to see lots of cars being scurried about and fussed over. And in the center will be spot for FOT hospitality and our special guests. Thank You FGR From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Mar 28 22:25:59 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:25:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crossing the marque line Message-ID: <60E5973A-14BD-4AAE-9A3A-31831FF94F69@aol.com> Amici My friend who races a MGA is building an engine after throwing a rod in his last one. We were talking and he is going from a MGB 5 main to a 3 main. One of the problems he stated was that the rear main uses a scroll seal and the info out there to convert this is a fluky setup. So I mention that there is a conversion for a tr3 or tr4 (?) that is good. Maybe it can be engineered or converted to the MGB 3 main. Soooooo. Is it possible? I don't have any measurements or picture or any other measurements. Just putting it out there From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Mar 28 23:16:22 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:16:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> Message-ID: <6872E1BDDBB94E36ADC97D5A7B3D8848@rocky> What gets me is I ask for a part for my 1964 Spitfire, and according to their "book" the earliest model of a Spitfire was 1972. Nowadays I just answer "It's a race car" and they quit looking for an easy catalogue match and now they have to find something that fits my purpose. Most humorous was when I installed the Volkswagen radiator in the Spit, and the hose connections both were on the opposite side from the stock Spit rad. The top one was easy, just turned the thermostat housing to the other side. For the bottom I went in with measurements ("I need a hose X inches long with a 90 degree bend at the bottom end") and they just let me prowl through their hose inventory until I found one (a Ford unit) that would work after I cut unneeded sections off. Fortunately, I guess, since local parts stores have nothing that goes on my car more specific than a nut and bolt, I do most of my parts shopping by mail-order. I have a drawer by my desk full of nothing but catalogues. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > My recent AutoZone experience: > @ parts counter > Me: Do you have Champion RN9YC spark plugs in stock? > AutoZone Guy: How many do you need? > Me: I need four but I'll buy eight if you have them. > AZG: What car are they for? > Me: I know you don't have the car in your database. > AZG: That's the only way I can look them up? > Me: You can't search by part number? > AZG: No. > Me: Really? .well ok, it's a 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: Well there's your problem, we don't carry motorcycle parts. > Me: It's a car. >>Click click click. > AZG: No, we don't have that car listed in out parts database but let me > check the stock shelves. >>At this point AutoZone Guy spends about 5 minutes going through every bin > containing Champion spark-plugs looking for RN9YCs. > AZG: We don't seem to have them on the shelf; what car was that again? > Me: 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: we have a '63 Herald with an 1100 engine. > Me: That's it. Same engine. What plug does it list? > AZG: Champion RN9YC > Me: Do you have it in stock? > AZG: No. > > Robert MacKenzie > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:03 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps > 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your > timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and > asked > "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello > "who's > on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod > bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I > look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 28 23:37:51 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:37:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com><62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of gas. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about 1965 RB From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Mar 29 05:04:28 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:04:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: <9B170B83A35A4604A4AD63CFC52034A0@TRIUMPH.local> Mr. Paddock Master, With regards to choice C from you recent communication to your "triumph friends", there is some essential information that requires dissemination to the general public. However, there is information that I am afraid will be shared, but I really don't want to know. I like to be surprised by the cheese selections... PS. Is Don Brick and his cheese coming? > C) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow > vehicle > and you are "Grandfathered in" to a spot far better than we are offering > at > this time because you have earned a high status among the RA elite and are > a "shareholder with benefits." > WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... > a) general car info > b) Jock strap size > c) When is the Wine and Cheese Party? > d) which cheese will we be able to smell from the "EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH > PADDOCK"? > e) Submit an essay about "what it was like to race before electricity was > invented". > Adress all paddock questions and inquirys to me at > jason at multivintage.com(no exceptions) and every attempt will be made > to accomodate your needs. > Jason Ostrowski > Paddock Master > 2013 Kastner Cup at RA. From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Mar 29 05:23:50 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:23:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire References: <902F45A5-8067-4F92-9B18-3A573B2512E5@comcast.net> Message-ID: <308E5C722EC34EB5BACA81ACD1D01C08@TRIUMPH.local> I had a Speedster that lost air faster than they usually do, it turned out to be leaking through the sidewall. I was at the Wild Hare Run, VDCA's wonderful April event at VIR a couple years back, and one of the pro teams that runs with us at that event has Hoosier come out to support them. I took my bad tire down to them, the boys looked at it and gave me one of Jeff Speer's business cards. I was told to call him the following week, tell him I was at the VIR event and talked to ??? (can't remember the dude's name) and tell him I have a tire he needs to see. I called Jeff, he said no problem, get me the tire. I am a half hour from Hoosier's east coast distributor, so I dropped the tire off there with my business cards. They shipped it back to Indiana at no cost to me, and two weeks later I get a statement in the mail from Hoosier Tire saying I have a credit for 1 new tire. They held that credit on their books for months until I bought another set of tires, and that set I only paid for 3! The bad tire had lots of heat cycles in it and didn't have many more good sessions in it, but Hoosier still replaced it. Great customer service. These days, that really is a breath of fresh air. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud R" Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire > > Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his > people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact > info. if you have tire needs. > > > Jeffrey A. Speer > Product Manager > > > 65465 US Hwy 31 > Lakeville, IN 46536 > www.hoosiertire.com > Phone: 574-784-3152 > Fax: 574-784-2385 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Mar 29 05:39:27 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:39:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com><62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing wage for teens was $1.00 an hour! When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. Times change, don't they? Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear >I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat > next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for > those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of > gas. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM > To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 > cents..about > 1965 > RB > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Mar 29 05:49:43 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:49:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <24338C57E9154ACF842B2F771C931952@hpd530> I'm fortunate in that there are three very good parts stores in the nearby towns, all of which morphed from the original in Meadville in the late 60's. They usually find me some obscure part for an old car or tractor. They let me prowl through the stock room and pick out what I need, sometimes blowing the dust off. Very knowledgable and helpful, and support the local communities. The "Big Box" stores use Wally World's model; stock the fast movers and max your profit. Here's to Spring. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:02 PM Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- >I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps >28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your >timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and >asked "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello > "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine > rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". > I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 06:36:33 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Road AMERICA'S TEST AND TUNE PROGRAM (RATT) not part of Kastner Cup Weekend In-Reply-To: <8CFFA90AB4B7F88-1600-268F3@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFFA90AB4B7F88-1600-268F3@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFFA912DF24E8B-1600-2693F@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Road AMERICA'S TEST AND TUNE PROGRAM (RATT) not part of Kastner Cup Weekend Chuck, THE RATT Days is a program that ROAD AMERICA has marketed to racers throughout the season. I am not sure that Road America has scheduled anything on the Thursday of our event....yet. If they get a big contract from a commercial entity, they will choose that ... $$$ So, the issue is still open.......look at how the $900 Program is marketed. not your typical pre-race T & T Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 07:25:40 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ROAD AMERICA OPEN TEST DAYS - TENTATIVE SCHEDULE - ELVF Message-ID: <8CFFA980A9DA845-1600-26EB8@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Further review says that RA has published a 'TENTATIVE' test day for ELVF. No cost information is provided......it wont be $900, I am sure. If no big moneyed FISH swims by, RA will firm up the date and publish the details....stand by. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 08:06:01 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FEATURES AND BENEFITS OF THE LESTER GARAGES KASTNER CUP 2013 Message-ID: <8CFFA9DAD912714-1600-2749F@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> LOW COST $50 FOR THE WEEKEND ELECTRICITY 110V POWER OUTLET LIGHTING OVERHEAD LOCATED ON THE FRONT STRAIGHT with view of TURN 14 COMBINATION OF ASPHALT AND GRASS PARKING EASY ACCESS TO THE POPULAR TURN FIVE VIEWING AREA GROUP TECH HAS BEEN ARRANGED IN THE GARAGES with VSCDA's Dave Young. The obvious is that there is no need to set up canopies, take them down, or retrieve them after blowing away. The social benefits are clear....we travel great distances to be together and spend most of our hours in the paddock. The Lester garages were negotiated with Road America, including the installation of power. It is unlikely that any group will ever see this deal again in the future. If you know ROAD AMERICA, you will understand. We got kinda lucky. Check in with Jason, PADDOCK MASTER, ASAP Thanks! Joe Alexander KASTNER CUP 2013 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 08:28:46 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:26:24 AM Central Standard Time, yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes: > I had a Speedster that lost air faster than they usually do, it turned > out > to be leaking through the sidewall. It's been my experience that losing air through the sidewall of racing tires is sure not uncommon. For years while I was still running original ARW Silverstone mags on my TR3, I would carefully wash and inspect each wheel and tire looking for cracks in the spokes between events. I was always amazed to see all of the soap air bubbles that would surface from the sidewalls of each tire during the washing process. It made me aware that I was constantly losing some air through the sidewalls. Dunlop has been our tire of choice down through the years (they look so damn'd British), but we've run Goodyear and Hoosier sets as well. We have yet to experience what I would call unacceptable air loss through the sidewalls...but we are aware of the issue and sure check tire pressures carefully between sessions. Bill Dentinger From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Mar 28 12:29:06 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not everyone is up on antiques, especially the younger folk LOL Us old farts luv'm Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-28, at 12:11 PM, "Craig Leinicke" wrote: > To add to this thread, a couple of years ago I asked the same 20+ year old > counter clerk at a local auto parts store about rear shock absorbers for a > Triumph TR7... He looked me square in the eye and said "Who makes Triumph?" > > When I replied... "Triumph makes Triumph" he looked at me like I had just > stepped off a space ship and had a third eye in the middle of my forehead. > > Needless to say, I didn't buy any parts that day. I understand that this > fellow probably wasn't born in 1981 when Triumph production came to an end > but you would think anyone with enough interest to work in the automotive > field would recognize major British auto manufacturers. > > The reality is that all of us have more knowledge about the workings of > automobiles than 90% of the people working the auto parts counters today. > > Craig Leinicke > Flashback Racing > > > On 3/28/13 3:35 AM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > >> I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and >> everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads >> who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, >> they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer >> of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and >> it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different >> smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third >> world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and >> function. >> Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts >> stores......... >> Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! >> >> Russ Moore >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net >> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM >> To: FOT >> Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- >> >> I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps >> 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your >> timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked >> "What year and model?". >> >> I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that >> time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different >> clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 >> chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" >> "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" >> moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's >> on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod >> bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I >> look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I >> thought this was an auto store". We walked out. >> >> I am going to write to their corporate office. >> >> M >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca Thu Mar 28 13:05:57 2013 From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca (peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:05:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also hat some issue with Hoosier Tire (not there fault) and Jeff was also were help full in solving my Tire wear. Were dedicated people. #42 TR 8 Peter Bulkowski Technical Manager ,Special Projects 98 Vanderhoof Ave. Toronto,Ontario, M4G 4C9 CANADA Direct line +416 847 7514 Mobil line +416 520 6108 Fax line +416 425 6370 NEW E-Mail peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca levilevi at comcast. net Sent by: To fot-bounces at autox fot at autox.team.net .team.net cc Subject 03/28/2013 12:13 [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing PM Tire I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some praise for an outstanding vender. I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus on customer service and satisfaction. Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact info. if you have tire needs. Jeffrey A. Speer Product Manager 65465 US Hwy 31 Lakeville, IN 46536 www.hoosiertire.com Phone: 574-784-3152 Fax: 574-784-2385 Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 18:21:03 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:21:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> Message-ID: <006101ce2c13$4c8a5ce0$e59f16a0$@net> I think it depends on who we deal with...My NAPA store makes a point of 'finding the part that will work, fit, etc'..they even mic stuff for me and match it up that way. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Bownes - Seiri Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:16 PM To: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- My favorite answer for the make model year question is 1958 Wartburg. :) On Mar 28, 2013, at 19:39, Larry Young wrote: > Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. > After asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. > > I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some > times I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will take the time to match up what you want with what they have. > Larry > > > On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: >> I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto >> zone and >> asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter >> needed the >> make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked >> if it was >> a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it >> was a >> flat12 >> And sat back to watch his head implode. >> Jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Mar 28 18:34:32 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:34:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating Message-ID: <20130328.203432.14315.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> I have never sprayed this particular type of product, so I don't know if it sprays out like spray paint or undercoating. If like spray paint, then should be able to get an even coat. Joe ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Barr, Scott" To: 'Joe Boruch' Cc: 'tom strange' Subject: RE: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:26:26 +0000 Would you be able to apply this evenly enough to seal? I wonder whether this might be a nice adjunct to a copper gasket where used to lower the compression ratio or clear piston pop-up, but where the copper gasket isn't sealing well. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 7:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating I have been debating the merits of coating a steel shim head gasket with a Fluoroelastomer (Viton) coating. Cometic gaskets are Viton coated. There are Fluoroelastomer coatings available in aerosol cans. Have any of you tried anything like this? Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 06:32:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Road AMERICA'S TEST AND TUNE PROGRAM (RATT) not part of Kastner Cup Weekend Message-ID: <8CFFA90AB4B7F88-1600-268F3@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Chuck, THE RATT Days is a program that ROAD AMERICA has marketed to racers throughout the season. I am not sure that Road America has scheduled anything on the Thursday of our event....yet. If they get a big contract from a commercial entity, they will choose that ... $$$ So, the issue is still open.......look at how the $900 Program is marketed. not your typical pre-race T & T Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Jason Ostrowski ; Joe Alexander Sent: Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup Cost for racing at Kas Cup. Any iea what the race fees are? I just looked at there test an tune schedule an see thee is one Thusday before our event -- but it cost $900!!!! [I am used to fees between $200-350 for a test and tune day before a race at Seattle, Portland, The Ridge, etc. Getting worried about what the Cup entry fee for the weekend will be??? On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: Good News for ALL Kastner Cup Attendees!!! >From the outset, one of the key aspects for planning this year's "Kastner Cup" was to somehow have all the Triumph folks in one localized paddock area. Over the past couple days some major strides have been made with VSCDA and Road America Regarding an EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK for our entire weekend. The FOT has strength in numbers. VSCDA and ROAD AMERICA have seemed to realize how big this event is and they are working with us nicely. Joe has been putting in tons of effort on FOT's behalf. This will be a special event. Thanks to Joe's aggressive 5 star service. So, Long Story Short.... FOT will have 1) Our own EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH ONLY paddock area. 2) Our own dedicated garage type hospitality structure (holds 36 cars and will serve as our HUB of Triumph activity) 3) Electric. Power will be available to anyone who rents a garage space. (driver cost for garage slot and power = $50.00) OFFICIAL NOTICE TO ALL Kastner Cup Driver's and teams: At this point Here's your 3 options for use of the Exclusive Triumph Paddock (All entrants must pick one of the following options and contact jason at multivintage.com with the details.) A) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you don't want a garage space or power. WHAT YOU NEED to Do...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size, c) additional space next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space. Cost is Zero, your spot is secured. Example: John Reed, 1969 Triumph GT6+ #69, Honda minivan and 12' open trailer, 12x12 ez-up and large tent. B) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you want a garage spot and power. WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size c) additional space needed next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space Cost is $50.00 per car using the garage spot, your spot is secured. (you must snail mail a check payable to "Wonderland" to Wonderland Multivintage 3731 Grand Blvd, Brookfield IL 60513.) Example: Tony Garmey, Triumph 250k, Bill Hart, Triumph Devin, killer Ferrari transport vehicle, 110' rig with 60'x40' cannopy. staying at hotel. Bill's Devin only in the garage = $50.00 sent to Wonderland Tony and Bill will both use the garage = $100.00 sent to Wonderland. C) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you are "Grandfathered in" to a spot far better than we are offering at this time because you have earned a high status among the RA elite and are a "shareholder with benefits." WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) Jock strap size c) When is the Wine and Cheese Party? d) which cheese will we be able to smell from the "EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK"? e) Submit an essay about "what it was like to race before electricity was invented". Cost is Zero, your spot is secured (but not by me) Unfortunately, you may need to walk or drive down a substantial hill to be with other Triumph people. If, by some chance, your concept of enjoying "the kastner cup" are not recognized by any of the above options, No Problem! Contact jason at multivintage.com with details and a custom plan will be made to accomodate your needs. Overview: this will be the best Kastner Cup yet! Sorry but I am unable to provide a photo of the garage structure in this email. If this is a critical point and you would like to see a photo of the garage building in question I could send you a photo attachment. Regardless, The Lester Garages and surrounding area will house the FOT for the entire weekend. This will be the HUB for Triumph activity. This will be the central area for poster signing/distribution of Triumph related materials. The Lester garages will serve as a resting place and center for invited guests of our group such as Kas and Peggy Kastner and All other FOT people. This garage and surrounding area will be a centralized location for all we are doing. It will be "THE TRIUMPH AREA" ...NICE!!! Triumph Group Tech will also happen in this area!!! Thursday eve. no matter what... if you are racing at this event, you must decide your paddock requirements and contact me with one of the choices listed above. Thank you very much! Adress all paddock questions and inquirys to me at jason at multivintage.com(no exceptions) and every attempt will be made to accomodate your needs. Jason Ostrowski Paddock Master 2013 Kastner Cup at RA. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Mar 29 07:30:56 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:30:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: <88AB0FE3-961E-464C-86E1-88A9704378D2@charter.net> I was one of those buck an hour kids working in a gas station. But I could put more than 5 gallons of gas in my 53 Ford for a buck. During the gas wars the price would drop under 19cents a gallon. My how times change. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing wage for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Times change, don't they? > Cheers, Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'Triumph Friends of'" > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > >> I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat >> next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for >> those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of gas. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM >> To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear >> >> Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about >> 1965 >> RB >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From donlbrick at mchsi.com Fri Mar 29 08:52:04 2013 From: donlbrick at mchsi.com (donlbrick) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:52:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: <3693CED026434EB7A27D783F1239DB1D@DONANDDAWN> I will definitely try to make the Fall Festival, we should have a good selection of cheese!!!! Don Brick ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: donlbrick at mchsi.com ; rdwismer at mchsi.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:04:37 AM Central Standard Time, yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes: I like to be surprised by the cheese selections... PS. Is Don Brick and his cheese coming? Come September, all will be welcomed to Road America and Wisconsin. Hence, lots of tasty cheese selections will surface. Don Brick, ex-Swiss Valley guru and arguably the best driver the Beady Eye tent ever produced, is still up, out and about. We'll sure try to encourage him to come. Regardless...the famous Swiss and awesome Mindoro Bleu will be there for sure. And of course, Wisconsin is also home to John Fridirici (a Grande Cheese honcho) and those tasty Italian cheeses. Not to worry, not to worry! Bill Dentinger From jkhagen at charter.net Fri Mar 29 09:06:50 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: <56f2c4cb.67403b.13db6afd9eb.Webtop.43@charter.net> Hoosier-Good and Bad--Was losing "small"!! amounts of air --could not find--later--found right out of the "sidewall" through the letters.--Hoosier replaced. John Hagen On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Bud R wrote: > I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't > provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some > praise for an outstanding vender. > > I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and > Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with > the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. > > Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the > air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company > that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. > It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus > on customer service and satisfaction. > > Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his > people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact > info. if you have tire needs. > > > Jeffrey A. Speer > Product Manager > > > 65465 US Hwy 31 > Lakeville, IN 46536 > www.hoosiertire.com > Phone: 574-784-3152 > Fax: 574-784-2385 > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From jkhagen at charter.net Fri Mar 29 09:13:27 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 Message-ID: <3e0744a9.674177.13db6b5e750.Webtop.43@charter.net> QH-Europe-was owned by Dana Corp a 15 Billion dollar company--went broke-I should know. John Hagen On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Quinton Hazell used to be the JC Whitney brand....how far we have > (not) > come!! > > Bob Kramer > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:30 AM, George Harmuth > wrote: > >> Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH >> parts >> are drying up, limited to stock on hand. >> Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like >> Chinese >> food, an hour later you need more. >> >> >> Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing >> >> > > http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closing > .html >> >> mike h >> >> >> G. Michael Harmuth >> Software Engineer >> Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services >> 845-894-8088 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Thu Mar 28 19:37:10 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:37:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> Message-ID: I say "1959 Triumph TR3a" and then start listing the modifications. About 10 minutes into the monologue and the clerk usually rolls his eyes and calls for a manager :-) Gano Sent from my iPad On Mar 28, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Bob Bownes - Seiri wrote: > My favorite answer for the make model year question is 1958 Wartburg. :) > > > On Mar 28, 2013, at 19:39, Larry Young wrote: > >> Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. After > asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry > those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. >> >> I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some times > I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on > at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will > take the time to match up what you want with what they have. >> Larry >> >> >> On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: >>> I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone > and >>> asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed > the >>> make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it > was >>> a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a >>> flat12 >>> And sat back to watch his head implode. >>> Jim g. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 28 21:25:47 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:25:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com><62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of gas. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about 1965 RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:07 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the station! >> >> >> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 08:14:30 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:04:37 AM Central Standard Time, yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes: > I like to be surprised by the cheese selections... > > PS. Is Don Brick and his cheese coming? > Come September, all will be welcomed to Road America and Wisconsin. Hence, lots of tasty cheese selections will surface. Don Brick, ex-Swiss Valley guru and arguably the best driver the Beady Eye tent ever produced, is still up, out and about. We'll sure try to encourage him to come. Regardless...the famous Swiss and awesome Mindoro Bleu will be there for sure. And of course, Wisconsin is also home to John Fridirici (a Grande Cheese honcho) and those tasty Italian cheeses. Not to worry, not to worry! Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 08:32:30 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Mar 28 13:08:12 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:08:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: <4E7FEA81-F217-4190-82ED-538D106E0D67@austin.rr.com> References: <4E7FEA81-F217-4190-82ED-538D106E0D67@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <00a901ce2be7$984a02b0$c8de0810$@rr.com> Well, speaking of JC Whitney......I recall when they had sets of AE Hepolite piston and liner sets for TR3 & 4s for the price of $120. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:43 PM To: George Harmuth Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 Quinton Hazell used to be the JC Whitney brand....how far we have (not) come!! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:30 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH > parts are drying up, limited to stock on hand. > Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like > Chinese food, an hour later you need more. > > > Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing > > http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closin g .html > > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > 845-894-8088 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 13:35:39 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Message-ID: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, kaskastner at gmail.com writes: > Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of > oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) > Kas... Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, if it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. Bill (Damdinger) From mdporter at dfn.com Fri Mar 29 15:07:41 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:07:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> Message-ID: <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, > kaskastner at gmail.com writes: > > >> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) >> > Kas... > > Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, if > it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we > expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All > things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. > > The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with the reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate the peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and withheld shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation (such as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi Arabia, it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing schedules considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. Within six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase in the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the embargo, gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in the low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ $2.25, adjusted for inflation. Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per bbl), which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London spot prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather than an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the spot market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher than the historical average. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Mar 29 15:55:23 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:55:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Shirt/Driver Update Message-ID: I finally got caught up with entering all the orders this week. As of today there are 58 shirts on order and 46 drivers planning on competing at Road America. I'm sure that number will increase as there are some regulars that I don't see on the list yet. If you sent me a shirt order or let me know you are planning on driving at the event you should have received back an acknowledgement email from me. Some of you who emailed me still owe me info. Please take care of that so I don't loose track. Still PLENTY of time to order event shirts and have your name added to the back of them. See you in September. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Mar 29 17:04:09 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:04:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <001201ce2cb1$485d7140$d91853c0$@rr.com> References: <001201ce2cb1$485d7140$d91853c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <0B82E9469F7B4C6FAAF83FA7FA72F7A6@Vista> And they also would fix flats for a buck. Joe c. -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing [mailto:Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 12:12 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com; william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Yep, and for that dollar they used to come out, put it in the tank, check the oil and clean the windshield......... oh, and smile while they did it. Long gone as is twenty some cent a gallon gas. I remember Sunoco 260 at .32 @ gallon. It was the real item, lead, octane and no methanol and the sporty cars thrived on it.......yep, long gone! Russ From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 29 17:26:15 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:26:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Shirt/Driver Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51562317.30007@bradakis.com> I will certainly be ordering a shirt. Maybe before I die I'll actually get it together and have my name on the shirt. Lovely spring weather here in Salt Lake, I want to drive about in a Triumph! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 29 18:44:41 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:44:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hitchin' a ride Message-ID: <51563579.8030304@bradakis.com> So the message about the T shirts for this year's event got me thinking. I was planning to fly back to Wisconsin for the event, but are there any west coast folks who plan to travel through Salt Lake on I 80 that might have room for a lazy, good for nothing freeloader to tag along? I recall setting up something like this for the Portland, Oregon event and then getting a bad case of shingles right before it. Fun. Anyway, it is still a few months out, just something to consider. mjb. From kaskastner at gmail.com Fri Mar 29 12:27:40 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:27:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:32 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, > william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > > > > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > > wage > > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > > > > Bill... > > You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking > my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my > 1951 Ford. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Mar 29 13:11:57 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201ce2cb1$485d7140$d91853c0$@rr.com> Yep, and for that dollar they used to come out, put it in the tank, check the oil and clean the windshield......... oh, and smile while they did it. Long gone as is twenty some cent a gallon gas. I remember Sunoco 260 at .32 @ gallon. It was the real item, lead, octane and no methanol and the sporty cars thrived on it.......yep, long gone! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:33 AM To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 14:20:48 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. John ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 29 16:04:40 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:04:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> Message-ID: <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the road to bankruptcy. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, >> kaskastner at gmail.com writes: >> >> >>> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >>> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) >>> >> Kas... >> >> Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, if >> it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we >> expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All >> things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. >> >> > > The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with the reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate the peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and withheld shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation (such as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: > > http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp > > If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi Arabia, it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing schedules considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. Within six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase in the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the embargo, gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in the low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ $2.25, adjusted for inflation. > > Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per bbl), which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London spot prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather than an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the spot market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher than the historical average. > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Mar 29 20:31:56 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:31:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: <20130328.203432.14315.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20130328.203432.14315.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: There used to be a Hylomar spray that went on kind of fluffy. I liked it but the cans clogged up the nozzles and/or the cans didn't work at all so they took it off the market. If it is anything like that I'd try it. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2013, at 12:34 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > I have never sprayed this particular type of product, so I don't know if it > sprays out like spray paint or undercoating. If like spray paint, then should > be able to get an even coat. Joe > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Barr, Scott" > To: 'Joe Boruch' > Cc: 'tom strange' > Subject: RE: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:26:26 +0000 > > Would you be able to apply this evenly enough to seal? > > I wonder whether this might be a nice adjunct to a copper gasket where used to > lower the compression ratio or clear piston pop-up, but where the copper > gasket isn't sealing well. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Joe Boruch > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 7:16 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating > > I have been debating the merits of coating a steel shim head gasket with a > Fluoroelastomer (Viton) coating. Cometic gaskets are Viton coated. There are > Fluoroelastomer coatings available in aerosol cans. Have any of you tried > anything like this? Joe(B) > ____________________________________________________________ > OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 > Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > ____________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 12:28:12 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:28:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 30 13:43:59 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:43:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com><607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <24D37624A92F401491E83C766F8C292A@Vista> Absolutely! I am sick and tired of hearing from a bunch of racist Obama haters. How quickly we forget what your beloved W did to our country! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:28 AM To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 30 14:18:43 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Ya! How about that new Pope?! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT of Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 30 14:24:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Files in contention at Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFFB9BC14D2E01-1D90-39818@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Keith File's son is entering his third year in the Clio Series and is a frequent pole sitter. Keith, AND COMPANY have their tickets and Osthoff reservations for the KCUP. How about that for a subject change......? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Josh Files Press Office To: n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:44 pm Subject: Files in contention at Brands Hatch Is this email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. Files in contention at Brands Hatch Team Pyrobs Josh Files made a positive start to his 2013 Renault UK Clio Cup campaign in qualifying today (Saturday, 30th March), ahead of Rounds 1 & 2 of the championship at Brands Hatch. The Vocalink backed driver, a renowned front-runner in Britainbs premier one-make saloon car championship, secured sixth position for Round 1 with a fastest lap time of 52.681 seconds, followed by a third fastest lap time of 52.701 seconds, for his second encounter at the 1.22 mile circuit situated in Kent. Speaking of his qualifying achievement, Files remains confident that he can make a strong start in the series that has propelled the likes of Tom Onslow-Cole, Dave Newsham and Aron Smith to the BTCC. bIbm feeling good about how the session went,b said Files. bI think that I drove well overall, but itbs just so close when we come and race here due to the lap being so short.b bMy aim for tomorrow is to put myself in contention for a podium finish in the first race, and really push for the win in the second. The car feels great and Ibm sure thatbs achievable.b The opening round of the 2013 Renault UK Clio Cup will get underway tomorrow (Sunday, 31st March), at 10.20, with Round 2 at 15.35. The second of the two races will be screened live on ITV4, ITV4 HD and can be streamed live at www.itv.com/btcc Follow Josh Files on: www.joshfiles.co.uk @JoshFiles Facebook.com/joshfilesracing For more information, please contact William Fewkes at BAM Motorsport Promotions: Tel: +44 (0)1442 891 500 Email: wfewkes at bam-promo.com Web: www.bam-promo.com follow on Twitter | friend on Facebook | forward to a friend Copyright B) 2013 BAM Motorsports Group, All rights reserved. From Josh Files PR Database Our mailing address is: BAM Motorsports Group 8 Akeman Street Tring, Eng HP23 6AA United Kingdom Add us to your address book unsubscribe from this list | update subscription preferences From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 30 14:27:49 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Message-ID: <8a10.4f622169.3e88a4c5@aol.com> How sick am I of hearing the epithet "racist" thrown at anybody that doesn't support Obummer. I remember when castigating Bush was "the highest form of patriotism". In a message dated 3/30/2013 12:46:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: Absolutely! I am sick and tired of hearing from a bunch of racist Obama haters. How quickly we forget what your beloved W did to our country! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:28 AM To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 30 14:39:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:39:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Now kids... Message-ID: <51574D64.2090309@bradakis.com> Behave yourselves, before I do something drastic like double your free subscription prices! mjb. From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 14:40:35 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:40:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Files in contention at Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <8CFFB9BC14D2E01-1D90-39818@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFFB9BC14D2E01-1D90-39818@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <42167AF7-4C96-4F00-B601-E127B49030A7@bnj.com> Looks like I'm coming to the KCUP with Peyote. I guess I better make a reserevation at the Osthoff. I committed to the FOT race some time ago with Tony Garmey though there was a chance I wouldn't be able to come. But it's looking good. On Mar 30, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Keith File's son is entering his third year in the Clio Series and is a > frequent pole sitter. > > Keith, AND COMPANY have their tickets and Osthoff reservations for the KCUP. > > How about that for a subject change......? > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Files Press Office > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:44 pm > Subject: Files in contention at Brands Hatch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this email not displaying > correctly? > View it in your browser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Files in contention at Brands Hatch > Team Pyrobs Josh Files made a positive start to his 2013 Renault UK Clio > Cup campaign in qualifying today (Saturday, 30th March), ahead of Rounds 1 & 2 > of the championship at Brands Hatch. > > The Vocalink backed driver, a renowned front-runner in Britainbs premier > one-make saloon car championship, secured sixth position for Round 1 with a > fastest lap time of 52.681 seconds, followed by a third fastest lap time of > 52.701 seconds, for his second encounter at the 1.22 mile circuit situated in > Kent. > > Speaking of his qualifying achievement, Files remains confident that he can > make a strong start in the series that has propelled the likes of Tom > Onslow-Cole, Dave Newsham and Aron Smith to the BTCC. > > bIbm feeling good about how the session went,b said Files. bI think > that I drove well overall, but itbs just so close when we come and race here > due to the lap being so short.b > > bMy aim for tomorrow is to put myself in contention for a podium finish in > the first race, and really push for the win in the second. The car feels great > and Ibm sure thatbs achievable.b > > The opening round of the 2013 Renault UK Clio Cup will get underway tomorrow > (Sunday, 31st March), at 10.20, with Round 2 at 15.35. > > The second of the two races will be screened live on ITV4, ITV4 HD and can be > streamed live at www.itv.com/btcc > > Follow Josh Files on: > www.joshfiles.co.uk > @JoshFiles > Facebook.com/joshfilesracing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For more information, please contact William Fewkes at > BAM Motorsport Promotions: > Tel: +44 (0)1442 891 500 > Email: wfewkes at bam-promo.com > Web: www.bam-promo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow on Twitter | friend on Facebook | forward to a friend > > > > > > Copyright B) 2013 BAM Motorsports Group, All rights reserved. > From Josh Files PR Database > Our mailing address is: > > BAM Motorsports Group > 8 Akeman Street > Tring, Eng HP23 6AA > United Kingdom > > Add us to your address book > > > > > > > > > > > unsubscribe > from this list | update subscription preferences > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Mar 30 14:41:51 2013 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:41:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Now kids... In-Reply-To: <51574D64.2090309@bradakis.com> References: <51574D64.2090309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I'll second THAT! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 30, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Behave yourselves, before I do something drastic like double your > free subscription > prices! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Mar 30 15:36:24 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 17:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ya change the subject. Maybe Calendar Girls :) Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-30, at 2:31 PM, "Duncan Charlton" wrote: > Can we switch to religion now? > Alonzo Quijada > > On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, >> we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the >> road to bankruptcy. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Mar 30 20:35:32 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:35:32 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR brake caliper bracket options Message-ID: does anyone know of any alternative brackets to make it easier to mount non- standard front brake calipers like Willwood or brembos??. I have the facilities to make whatever i want, but sometimes when you are in a hurry, its just easier to buy thanks, Terry From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Mar 30 23:14:01 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 01:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> We still pay less for gas than most our neighbors around the pond. So don't cry yet. Bob T -----Original Message----- From: John Wagner To: BillDentin ; william.tobin31 ; spitlist ; fot Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. John ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 06:04:00 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 05:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1364731440.58313.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ I worked at a gas station in the 70's when I was in high school but I don't remember the price of oil or gas. What I DO remember is cleaning the windshields of girls in mini-skirts. It took longer than the normal windshield but they were spotless when they drove off. Mike Ya change the subject. Maybe Calendar Girls :) Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-30, at 2:31 PM, "Duncan Charlton" _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 31 07:56:26 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:56:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] K. Cup 2013 Message-ID: As of this morning we surpassed last years Mitty entrants. There are currently 53 folks who have expressed their intentions of competing at the 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America and there is still 4 months to go. If you are planning on attending and have not done so yet, get me your name car number and model so I can include it on the shirt back. no commitment required, we can add or remove names just before I place the order. It just makes planning a bit easier. Thanks, From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 08:02:50 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 07:02:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <1364731440.58313.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> <1364731440.58313.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5158420A.2000703@gmail.com> On 3/31/13 5:04 AM, Mike Munson wrote: > ________________________________ > > I worked at a gas station in the 70's > when I was in high school but I don't remember the price of oil or gas. > What I > DO remember is cleaning the windshields of girls in mini-skirts. > It took > longer than the normal windshield but they were spotless when they drove off. And I remember hitchhiking back in the early '70's wearing a very mini skirt. The guy who stopped to give me a lift was driving a Europa. I think he just wanted to see how a young woman with a 34 inch inseam and about the shortest miniskirt you could sit in and not get arrested was going to climb down into a Europa. He got lots a leg but I did know how to get into and out of Little British sports cars without showing more. Mostly I remember my first ride in a Europa. Back in the days of service stations I discovered that if I paid attention to the attendant and smiled I always knew all the car's fluids were full, the tyre pressures were correct and every window was clean when I drove off. These days with cars you just drive for 10-15 years until they break then just throw them away even the service bays are things of the long ago past. TeriAnn From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Mar 31 08:34:16 2013 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 08:34:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> References: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01ce2e1c$d32c7070$79855150$@hot-tr6.com> Actually the price of gas is virtually the same anywhere around the globe. It is just the socialist taxes that added on top of the price of gas varies the pump price. Just ask California. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear We still pay less for gas than most our neighbors around the pond. So don't cry yet. Bob T -----Original Message----- From: John Wagner To: BillDentin ; william.tobin31 ; spitlist ; fot Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. John ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From igofaster at att.net Sun Mar 31 09:29:06 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1364743746.39685.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Happy Easter to my FoT family... Bobby ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 3:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Ya! How about that new Pope?! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT of Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Mar 30 16:37:12 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:37:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" To: "Michael Porter" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down > the > road to bankruptcy. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > >> On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >>> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, >>> kaskastner at gmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>>> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >>>> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the > inflation) >>>> >>> Kas... >>> >>> Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, > if >>> it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we >>> expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. >>> All >>> things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. >>> >>> >> >> The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is > looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a > barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local > taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with > the > reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate > the > peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and > withheld > shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation > (such > as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: >> >> http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp >> >> If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi >> Arabia, > it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the > establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing > schedules > considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a > wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. > Within > six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was > $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase > in > the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the > embargo, > gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in > the > low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ > $2.25, > adjusted for inflation. >> >> Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined > products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per > bbl), > which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London > spot > prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather > than > an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in > production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the > spot > market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and > inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher > than > the historical average. >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> -- >> >> >> Michael Porter >> Roswell, NM >> >> >> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From bownes at seiri.com Sun Mar 31 09:08:52 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:08:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <000e01ce2e1c$d32c7070$79855150$@hot-tr6.com> References: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> <000e01ce2e1c$d32c7070$79855150$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <03EEC2FB-CE0B-4575-850C-BD8F4B8DF7B9@seiri.com> Arn't any of you guys going racing or somethin? I need to get a bit of paint on the car, mount up a fresh set of Hoosiers, drop a battery in her and go play! On Mar 31, 2013, at 10:34, "Walter Hollowell" wrote: > Actually the price of gas is virtually the same anywhere around the globe. > It is just the socialist taxes that added on top of the price of gas varies > the pump price. Just ask California. > Walt Hollowell > Albuquerque, New Mexico > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > We still pay less for gas than most our neighbors around the pond. So > don't cry yet. > > Bob T > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Wagner > To: BillDentin ; william.tobin31 > ; spitlist ; fot > > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:21 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > > When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I > worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. > > > John > > ________________________________ > From: "BillDentin at aol.com" > > To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] > Stations of yesteryear > > In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, > william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > > >> In a way I long for > those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing >> wage >> for teens was > $1.00 an hour! >> When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... > > You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking > my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my > 1951 Ford. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 09:29:04 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:29:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <063F80F9-345F-4410-8BE4-329CCF1E4604@yahoo.com> If I remember right, the strength of our dollar determines how much we pay for oil. A weaker dollar means a higher price for oil and at the pump. When our economy is doing well, gas prices are less. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Mar 29, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of oil, > not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:32 AM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, >> william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: >> >> >>> In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing >>> wage >>> for teens was $1.00 an hour! >>> When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. >> >> Bill... >> >> You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking >> my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my >> 1951 Ford. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Mar 30 19:43:28 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:43:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> Message-ID: Good Lord...... I made no personal remark about the Pres. Where did you come up with that idea? He could be purple and it wouldn't make any difference to me. It's his & the fellow liberals' policies that are driving us to bankruptcy, you must realize his spending cannot continue. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2013, at 6:37 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. > End of rant. Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" > To: "Michael Porter" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > >> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, >> we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the >> road to bankruptcy. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Michael Porter wrote: >> >>> On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >>>> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, >>>> kaskastner at gmail.com writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >>>>> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the >> inflation) >>>> Kas... >>>> >>>> Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, >> if >>>> it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we >>>> expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All >>>> things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. >>> >>> The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is >> looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a >> barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local >> taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with the >> reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate the >> peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and withheld >> shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation (such >> as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: >>> >>> http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp >>> >>> If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi Arabia, >> it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the >> establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing schedules >> considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a >> wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. Within >> six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was >> $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase in >> the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the embargo, >> gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in the >> low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ $2.25, >> adjusted for inflation. >>> >>> Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined >> products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per bbl), >> which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London spot >> prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather than >> an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in >> production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the spot >> market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and >> inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher than >> the historical average. >>> >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Michael Porter >>> Roswell, NM >>> >>> >>> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >> distance.... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Mar 31 09:58:30 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:58:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <1364743746.39685.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> <1364743746.39685.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F04B5B-A9DD-4BB7-9F2A-CE981785F092@gdhs.com> Now here's a great change of subject! Back to you Bobby & to all. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Happy Easter to my FoT family... Bobby > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 3:18:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Ya! How about that new Pope?! > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT of > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:31 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > > Can we switch to religion now? > Alonzo Quijada > > On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, >> we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the >> road to bankruptcy. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From igofaster at att.net Sun Mar 31 13:39:21 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> Message-ID: <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. From rwestfall at ymail.com Sun Mar 31 13:44:06 2013 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364759046.25383.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Here here! I love to rant and talk politics but here is not the place. We all love Triumphs and racing, lets enjoy the one place we don't have to listen to the "spin" Happy Easter to all! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > From: Bobby Whitehead > Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday > To: "FoT Triumph" > Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 7:39 PM > Obama is our President case closed... > BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying > for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS > Easter Sunday, a day > to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this > is the last day I > think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... > we've got MSNBC and > FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... > > Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking > a ham, drinking a > beer, and celebrating being free... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Tobin > To: John Hasty ; > Michael Porter > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, > have come back and > then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his > clusterf**k in Iraq. When I > hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood > boils. And I heard it > recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, > Obama is indeed your > president. Live with it. > End of rant. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com From spitlist at cox.net Sun Mar 31 13:46:41 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:46:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com><607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com><72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Mar 31 16:48:46 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Easter Sunday Message-ID: <1364770126.73321.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/31/13, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" , "Joe Curry" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 5:47 PM I second the idea to stop this rant on our list. I don't care which Boob in D.C you care for or don't care for. We have little to say in where the boat is floating and who is manning the rudder. The people in D.C. do not answer to us, so there is no need for this rant here. Happy Resurrection Day! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Joe Curry wrote: From: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 2:46 PM Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 31 17:36:27 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:36:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just not from Permatex or Valco: http://goo.gl/jE4dw http://goo.gl/mvKDc -- Randall From Janzen at REcatalyst.com Sun Mar 31 19:02:17 2013 From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:02:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Even if we disagree on politics - Message-ID: I think we have religion in common. I myself pray regularly to Our Lady of Eternal Combustion. I'm thinking about having a bumper sticker made up: "I give generously to Our Lady of Eternal Combustion" or is that internal? Probably not eternal with a LBC! From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 19:09:52 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 18:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <1364778592.44307.YahooMailNeo@web162504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> If you are using a shim gasket, may I recommend GM Goodwrench gasket sealing compound. We super glue .020 or less soft copper wire in the outer rings and with a small sponge paint roller apply the gsc. It looks like, an has the consistency of Carmel topping. Its Been holding High comp. chevys together since the 60's. Good Stuff and not that expensive. John Wagner Just the wrench From: Randall To: Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just not from Permatex or Valco: http://goo.gl/jE4dw http://goo.gl/mvKDc -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com From kkjjk at aol.com Sun Mar 31 19:23:37 2013 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364770126.73321.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364770126.73321.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFFC8EAB608D43-5E0-428BA@webmail-m292.sysops.aol.com> Agreed. Christ is Risen. Let us rejoice and be glad in it...............Save the politics for another venue............ -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: FOT Sent: Sun, Mar 31, 2013 6:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Easter Sunday --- On Sun, 3/31/13, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" , "Joe Curry" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 5:47 PM I second the idea to stop this rant on our list. I don't care which Boob in D.C you care for or don't care for. We have little to say in where the boat is floating and who is manning the rudder. The people in D.C. do not answer to us, so there is no need for this rant here. Happy Resurrection Day! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Joe Curry wrote: From: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 2:46 PM Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 19:36:40 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 18:36:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: <1364778592.44307.YahooMailNeo@web162504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <1364778592.44307.YahooMailNeo@web162504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Pay attention here. The sticky part matters not much, but the copper wire literely seals the deal. Ho Ho Ho. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:09 PM, John Wagner wrote: > If you are using a shim gasket, may I recommend GM Goodwrench gasket > sealing compound. > We super glue .020 or less soft copper wire in the outer > rings and with a small sponge paint > roller apply the gsc. It looks like, an > has the consistency of Carmel topping. Its Been holding > High comp. chevys > together since the 60's. Good Stuff and not that expensive. > > > John > Wagner > Just the wrench > From: Randall > To: > Cc: > fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] > Head Gasket Coating > > FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just > not from Permatex or > Valco: > http://goo.gl/jE4dw > http://goo.gl/mvKDc > > -- > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 13:55:38 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:55:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364759046.25383.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364759046.25383.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Angie's baking scalloped potatoes, ham, homemade cheesecake, some new spicy green bean recipe, and a fruit and marshmallow salad. Some of you met her in Topeka at the Kastner Cup getting lots of autographs. She also helps with the car... Lucky to be free and have a great partner to enjoy this life and the next. I may have an adult beverage, but first I am going out to the garage to pull that old Paeco cam I destroyed last season... We are that stage where we have young working adults and no grandkids. Easter will be a lot more active in a few years... Happy Easter to all of you. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Mar 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Russell Westfall wrote: > Here here! I love to rant and talk politics but here is not the place. We all > love Triumphs and racing, lets enjoy the one place we don't have to listen to > the "spin" > Happy Easter to all! > > --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday >> To: "FoT Triumph" >> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 7:39 PM >> Obama is our President case closed... >> BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying >> for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS >> Easter Sunday, a day >> to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this >> is the last day I >> think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... >> we've got MSNBC and >> FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... >> >> Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking >> a ham, drinking a >> beer, and celebrating being free... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bill Tobin >> To: John Hasty ; >> Michael Porter >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear >> >> Sorry, can't resist. >> My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, >> have come back and >> then some under President Obama. >> And your grandchildren will still be paying for his >> clusterf**k in Iraq. When I >> hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood >> boils. And I heard it >> recently. >> Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, >> Obama is indeed your >> president. Live with it. >> End of rant. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sun Mar 31 13:56:45 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com><607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com><72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364759805.54676.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK, let's get back to Triumphs. This group does much better with Triumphs than politics. ________________________________ From: Joe Curry To: Bobby Whitehead ; FoT Triumph Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:46:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From bkahler1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 14:36:54 2013 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:36:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe, take the hint and shut up. On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Bobby, > Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in > years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on > the > national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for > what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and > outright lies at worst. > > Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what > suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. > > The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society > with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all > the > while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would > affect their bloated budget. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM > To: FoT Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday > > Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be > paying > for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, > a > day > to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day > I > > think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC > and > FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... > > Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, > drinking > a > beer, and celebrating being free... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Tobin > To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back > and > then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. > When I > hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard > it > > recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed > your > president. Live with it. > End of rant. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Mar 31 16:47:38 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1364770058.54064.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I second the idea to stop this rant on our list. I don't care which Boob in D.C you care for or don't care for. We have little to say in where the boat is floating and who is manning the rudder. The people in D.C. do not answer to us, so there is no need for this rant here. Happy Resurrection Day! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Joe Curry wrote: From: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 2:46 PM Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 31 18:58:58 2013 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (J. Wagner) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:58:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: great job guys... bring politics into the FoT and do it on Easter... it has Zero place in FoT posts... Zero. I don't care who started it... just learn to let it go. Nothing is gained by a pissing match here... and ultimately... there is much to lose. On Mar 31, 2013, at 12:46 PM, "Joe Curry" wrote: > Bobby, > Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in > years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the > national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for > what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and > outright lies at worst. > > Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what > suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. > > The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society > with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the > while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would > affect their bloated budget. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM > To: FoT Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday > > Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be > paying > for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a > day > to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I > > think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC > and > FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... > > Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking > a > beer, and celebrating being free... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Tobin > To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back > and > then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. > When I > hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it > > recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed > your > president. Live with it. > End of rant. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From igofaster at att.net Fri Mar 1 07:50:08 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 06:50:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA and CVAR at Austin Texas COTA Message-ID: <1362149408.27341.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> did not know if this had been shared on the channel.... I copied the message from our group with CVAR We have finally been released to start organizing for what looks like will be a huge vintage event. If you are anticipating that you would like to be a part of this race, please go to www.svra.com, click on Events, and under National Championship, click on "Pre-Registration", and follow the instructions. You will get to a page to fill out Pre-Registration information. This is not a formal registration or a commitment to register, but it is important for you to pre-register so that we can start figuring out the logistics for this race. The deadline for pre-registration is April 15, so, if you are interested, please get this done as soon as you can. Where there is a blank that says "SVRA License #", put in your CVAR license number. Also fill out the next two blanks where it asks for another license number and club affiliation. It is important that you indicate you are a CVAR member since SVRA and CVAR members will have top priority. Filling out your car information is also very important and will help with grouping of cars and the overall organization of the weekend. More information will be forthcoming when we have more details, but suffice it to say that this is a work in progress. About all that is firm right now is the date and the track, but at least we are moving ahead. Dan Ruehs President CVAR Inc. Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Fri Mar 1 09:31:45 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:31:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open Message-ID: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> looks like my fellow Texas Friends of Triumph got front page listing for 2013 Mitty! Bob Kramer on the left and Greg Blake on the right...not too shabby! Bobby Whitehead ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Historic Sportscar Racing To: igofaster at att.net Sent: Fri, March 1, 2013 9:47:43 AM Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open HSR The Mitty. Registration open THE MITTY APRIL 26-28. 2013 FEATURING CAN-AM AND MG REGISTER ON-LINE Do the Mitty like a rock star with one of our VIP tickets: * VIP Super Ticket for Friday, Saturday and Sunday * VIP parking pass * VIP parking area near the Classic Motorsports tent * Classic Motorsports lanyard and VIP ticket holder * Coupon redeemable at the Classic Motorsports booth for an official 2013 Mitty program * VIP viewing areas with shade and water available * Touring laps Friday and Sunday * Access to the Friday and Saturday night HSR driverbs dinner and party * Access to the Classic Motorsports appreciation party * VIP paddock tours led by the Classic Motorsports staff * An entire weekend of historic racing, racing celebrities, ride and drives, and fantastic cars! Tickets will be mailed by April 1, 2013. * Price: $119 each + $3.00 shipping & handling. * To purchase and view other ticket options, * follow the link at the top of the page or phone (678) 428-7651. * Road Atlanta has been home to the Classic Motorsports Mitty since its inception, and therebs no better place or time to enjoy a motorsports daydream. Join us April 26-28, 2013, for a long weekend of action both on and off the track. HSR handles the on-track action, while the Classic Motorsports staff organizes the infield festivities. David Hobbs, our grand marshal, has run nearly everything: Can-Am, Indy, Formula 1, Formula 5000, Trans-Am, NASCAR, IMSA GTP, IROC and so much more. In recent years, he has anchored America's Formula 1 TV coverage. The 2013 Mittybs featured marque will be MG. Bring your roadster: Webll have a contest to see if we can get more MGs or Miatas on track during Saturdaybs lunch break. Bring your earplugs, too: Webll have a reunion of the classic Can-Am race series. Youbll see all your favorite food groups at speed: Shelby, Porsche, Triumph, Jaguar, MG, Alfa Romeo, Corvette, BMW, Mini, Mazda, Nissan and so many more. Jack Higginbotham, president of PRS Guitars, will play a set with his band on Saturday night! PRS Guitars also will also present a custom guitar to the owner of the hardest-rocking car at the event. Thatbs not the only fanfare scheduled for the weekend. The Mittybs infield will feature car club corrals, free test drives, tech talks, magazine project cars, evening socials and so much more. Even if youbre not a competitor, you can get your car in on this world-famous racing circuit by participating in one of the weekendbs parade laps. ________________________________ Click to view this email in a browser If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this message with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on the following link: Unsubscribe Click here to forward this email to a friend Historic Sportscar Racing. P.O. Box 8110 Clearwater, Florida 33758-8110 US Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Mar 1 12:39:07 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:39:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: VR1 In-Reply-To: <5F7E7DF4-D549-4E42-B854-8126AFACB294@austin.rr.com> References: <1362084341.24476.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5F7E7DF4-D549-4E42-B854-8126AFACB294@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001ce16b4$71427c30$53c77490$@com> Thanks for the tip! I just went down and picked up 2 cases of 12 from the local O'Reilly's. Saved $50. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: VR1 VR1 on sale , whoopee! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Robert Blake > Date: February 28, 2013, 1:45:41 PM MST > To: Bob Kramar , 'William Collins' , Duncan Charlton , "jhovey1 at sbcglobal.net" > Subject: VR1 > Reply-To: Robert Blake > > O'Reilly's has VR1 20-50 on sale for 3.99/qt starting today through Mar 31st. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Mar 1 20:11:05 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 03:11:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks Message-ID: <20130301.221105.15919.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> I have been using the Hoosier radial slick on my EP Honda. Others in EP have been using the radial slicks, but I have not tried them yet on my TR3. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:46:29 -0500 (EST) Hi, This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? My earlier questions were based on this tire (un)availability. I have to get ready to buy my tires for 2013 and I have no idea what to do at this stage except break down and switch to 10 inch rims. I know this is currently illegal in Prod, but if there's no tires available - then what? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Mar 2 07:48:31 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:48:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open References: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nuttin' in my email box from those guys...I'm thinking I must be persona-non-grata with HSR. I leave a couple pounds of busted up cast iron and a couple of quarts of oil on their track, and I get snubbed. :-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Historic Sportscar Racing > To: igofaster at att.net > Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > HSR The Mitty. Registration open > From igofaster at att.net Sat Mar 2 12:02:58 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:02:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] forged pistons GT6 Message-ID: <1362250978.66611.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> looking for forged pistons for my GT-6+ build 020 or 030 over.... Bobby Whitehead From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 1 21:07:18 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 23:07:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks In-Reply-To: <20130301.221105.15919.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20130301.221105.15919.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <11B474B3-1860-45DE-AFA5-44E88C43EEB6@gdhs.com> I use the Speedsters on my TR3A the work fine Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 3:11 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > I have been using the Hoosier radial slick on my EP Honda. Others in EP have > been using the radial slicks, but I have not tried them yet on my TR3. > Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:46:29 -0500 (EST) > > Hi, > > This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... > > I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have > it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is > going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on > what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any > SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? > > My earlier questions were based on this tire (un)availability. I have to > get ready to buy my tires for 2013 and I have no idea what to do at this > stage except break down and switch to 10 inch rims. I know this is > currently illegal in Prod, but if there's no tires available - then what? > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From JWILEY at CENTENE.COM Sat Mar 2 18:29:04 2013 From: JWILEY at CENTENE.COM (John Wiley) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 01:29:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open In-Reply-To: References: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <6949E57D-4A1E-4D8D-9443-8F680280B07F@CENTENE.COM> Some people are so sensitive! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:09 AM, "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" wrote: > Nuttin' in my email box from those guys...I'm thinking I must be > persona-non-grata with HSR. > > I leave a couple pounds of busted up cast iron and a couple of quarts of oil > on their track, and I get snubbed. :-) > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobby Whitehead" > Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > > > >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> From: Historic Sportscar Racing >> To: igofaster at att.net >> Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open >> HSR The Mitty. Registration open > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwiley at centene.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication contains information intended for the use of the individuals to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from other disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any disclosure, printing, copying, distribution or use of the contents is prohibited. If you have received this in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or by returning it by return mail and then permanently delete the communication from your system. Thank you. From igofaster at att.net Sun Mar 3 08:52:27 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:52:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FoT for life In-Reply-To: <4061BD87C37E44EA9CF70108EB3DDF81@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1362250978.66611.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4061BD87C37E44EA9CF70108EB3DDF81@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1362325947.3628.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> this is a response to Henry but I feel compelled to share the response and reply to the group.... Henry....after your group 'threatened' me in Atlanta,,,that I was 'one of us' I knew in my heart , although crushed I was not on track, that I would re-build.. I never really explored really far into what happened other than #2 piston just totally came apart into 1000 pieces..it was a stock piston and I had just run my best weekend ever at TWS in February so maybe it was dialed in to the brink of internal explosion... I have found a really good builder in Oklahoma that builds for Larry Young.. a forged crank is out of the question unless I do a one off but I am using forged pistons (2-4 weeks to produce) ((thanks STEVE and TED)) and I have procured forged rods... I really don't care if I'm mid-pack or last place as long as I can be with me extended family... I'll share a picture with you after this message but my fellow Texas FoT'ers bought the poster of Triumphs on the Track at the Mitty 2012... the signed it framed it and presented it to me last weekend at TWS.. Greg Blakes wife Allison clipped a picture of my GT6 off my facebook page and tagged it to the framed picture...like I was on track... it was kind of cute..the presentation shows all the cars going to the right... my pic was me going to the left... Greg and Bob Kramer presented the gift with the statement... "when you bought the GTA car we thought you "left" us (my car is going left in the Pic) ...cute huh? I cried a bit as it was very emotional... I was at the track this last weekend with the GTA car but the Group8 CVAR proposed is a real cluster bomb.. I ran friday only , one session, and had a small electrical fire, but my whole purpose was to spend the weekend with my Texas FoT family and crew and wrench.. which I did... we did pull a head and replace a head gasket saturday night on Bob Blakes TR4.. he got his first checked flag Sunday he's had in 18 months...so there was that. We had another TR4 come in with the nephew of the driver who drove the car at Daytona in 1966... Bob Kramer has his red TR4 and a blue TR4 his son drives that were both at Daytona the same year this new driver's Uncle's car was there.. I don't believe all three were on the track at the same time but all three were there at the event... pretty cool... Our tech inspector had brought a clapped out trailer with three TR6 engines that had been setting in remiss (outdoors) for 20 odd years... one had a gearbox.. $100 for everything... Kramer and I both kind of passed but noted the gearbox was probably worth salvaging... The new TR4 driver (nephew) at the driving school lost some bearings in the OD gearbox they were trying to run. His dad was wrenching the crap out of it when we mentioned the clapped out $100 Triumph bin that showed up near tech.. sure enough, they pulled the Tranny of the rusted iron, opened up the top box and dang... it looked pretty good... so.. dad did install the $100 find and his son did finish the weekend at speed...so there was THAT... you know,,, typical Triumph racing weekend.... the best of times... All the best Henry... I ain't going nowhere.... Bobby From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Mar 3 09:52:15 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:52:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Header flange Message-ID: Amici I have a header (4-2-1) that needs a flange. Is there someone out there that has one I can weld to the header? Or do I have to break out my mad metal skills and make one? From tr6nut at verizon.net Sun Mar 3 10:23:00 2013 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Header flange In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <513386F4.9070500@verizon.net> Christopher, If you are referring to a flange to attach the header to the exhaust system, Summit Racing has them. If you are referring to the flange that bolts to the engine, I don't have a clue where you would find one. Hugh Barber On 3/3/2013 11:52 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have a header (4-2-1) that needs a flange. Is there someone out there that > has one I can weld to the header? > > Or do I have to break out my mad metal skills and make one? > _ From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 2 16:34:34 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 17:34:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open Message-ID: <728190.94090.bm@smtp105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Could someone send me a copy of the 'front page' I must have sent mine to the trash. Thanks Dennis -----Original Message----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: b3/b1/b2013 1:26 PM To: "Bob Kramer" ; "Bob Kramer" ; "Greg & Alison Blake" ; "Greg Blake" ; "Greg Blake" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open looks like my fellow Texas Friends of Triumph got front page listing for 2013 Mitty! Bob Kramer on the left and Greg Blake on the right...not too shabby! Bobby Whitehead ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Historic Sportscar Racing To: igofaster at att.net Sent: Fri, March 1, 2013 9:47:43 AM Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open HSR The Mitty. Registration open THE MITTY APRIL 26-28. 2013 FEATURING CAN-AM AND MG REGISTER ON-LINE Do the Mitty like a rock star with one of our VIP tickets: * VIP Super Ticket for Friday, Saturday and Sunday * VIP parking pass * VIP parking area near the Classic Motorsports tent * Classic Motorsports lanyard and VIP ticket holder * Coupon redeemable at the Classic Motorsports booth for an official 2013 Mitty program * VIP viewing areas with shade and water available * Touring laps Friday and Sunday * Access to the Friday and Saturday night HSR driverbs dinner and party * Access to the Classic Motorsports appreciation party * VIP paddock tours led by the Classic Motorsports staff * An entire weekend of historic racing, racing celebrities, ride and drives, and fantastic cars! Tickets will be mailed by April 1, 2013. * Price: $119 each + $3.00 shipping & handling. * To purchase and view other ticket options, * follow the link at the top of the page or phone (678) 428-7651. * Road Atlanta has been home to the Classic Motorsports Mitty since its inception, and therebs no better place or time to enjoy a motorsports daydream. Join us April 26-28, 2013, for a long weekend of action both on and off the track. HSR handles the on-track action, while the Classic Motorsports staff organizes the infield festivities. David Hobbs, our grand marshal, has run nearly everything: Can-Am, Indy, Formula 1, Formula 5000, Trans-Am, NASCAR, IMSA GTP, IROC and so much more. In recent years, he has anchored America's Formula 1 TV coverage. The 2013 Mittybs featured marque will be MG. Bring your roadster: Webll have a contest to see if we can get more MGs or Miatas on track during Saturdaybs lunch break. Bring your earplugs, too: Webll have a reunion of the classic Can-Am race series. Youbll see all your favorite food groups at speed: Shelby, Porsche, Triumph, Jaguar, MG, Alfa Romeo, Corvette, BMW, Mini, Mazda, Nissan and so many more. Jack Higginbotham, president of PRS Guitars, will play a set with his band on Saturday night! PRS Guitars also will also present a custom guitar to the owner of the hardest-rocking car at the event. Thatbs not the only fanfare scheduled for the weekend. The Mittybs infield will feature car club corrals, free test drives, tech talks, magazine project cars, evening socials and so much more. Even if youbre not a competitor, you can get your car in on this world-famous racing circuit by participating in one of the weekendbs parade laps. ________________________________ Click to view this email in a browser If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this message with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on the following link: Unsubscribe Click here to forward this email to a friend Historic Sportscar Racing. P.O. Box 8110 Clearwater, Florida 33758-8110 US Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Sun Mar 3 08:56:33 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:56:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open In-Reply-To: <6949E57D-4A1E-4D8D-9443-8F680280B07F@CENTENE.COM> References: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6949E57D-4A1E-4D8D-9443-8F680280B07F@CENTENE.COM> Message-ID: Darn Henry you are so accomadating to their event, leaving them oil and such, HSR.. is that hot soaked race track....have to admit it was alot of fun...I also haven't seen much on the event..guess I will have to look it up and see what these Texas guys are doing, the group I saw at VIR sure had it together , they darn near had their rigs in a circle like a western and the biggest tent that I have ever seen at the track yet ! a bunch of really nice racers. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:29 PM, John Wiley wrote: > Some people are so sensitive! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:09 AM, "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" < > yellow04 at tr4racer.com> > wrote: > > > Nuttin' in my email box from those guys...I'm thinking I must be > > persona-non-grata with HSR. > > > > I leave a couple pounds of busted up cast iron and a couple of quarts of > oil > > on their track, and I get snubbed. :-) > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bobby Whitehead" > > Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > > > > > > > >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- > >> From: Historic Sportscar Racing > >> To: igofaster at att.net > >> Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > >> HSR The Mitty. Registration open > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwiley at centene.com > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication contains information > intended for the use of the individuals to whom it is addressed > and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or > exempt from other disclosure under applicable law. If you are > not the intended recipient, you are notified that any disclosure, > printing, copying, distribution or use of the contents is prohibited. > If you have received this in error, please notify the sender > immediately by telephone or by returning it by return mail and then > permanently delete the communication from your system. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 3 14:34:12 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:34:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs Message-ID: Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on a TR3/4 crank? Thanks, From deruiterville at hotmail.com Sun Mar 3 18:25:25 2013 From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:25:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marty- 1/4 NPT - I bought flush mount plugs from McMaster, pn 4534K42 and they worked well for me. Randy > From: trmarty at hotmail.com > Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on a > TR3/4 crank? From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Mar 3 22:50:16 2013 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch Message-ID: Dear Listers! Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted gracefully! Many thanks Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 4 10:54:21 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:54:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net> , Message-ID: Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. Awesome old shots. Even some Kastner cars. Marty http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Mar 4 11:38:39 2013 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:38:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net>, , , , Message-ID: How 'bout Mark Donahue and His Elva Courier in there.....................Cheers Henry Morrison > From: trmarty at hotmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:54:21 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome > > Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. Awesome old > shots. Even some Kastner cars. > > Marty > > > > > > > > http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From mdporter at dfn.com Mon Mar 4 12:15:16 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 12:15:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net>, , , , Message-ID: <5134F2C4.3080706@dfn.com> On 3/4/2013 11:38 AM, Henry Morrison wrote: > How 'bout Mark Donahue and His Elva Courier in > there.....................Cheers Henry Morrison > Not to mention a shot of James Dean with the 550 Spyder in which he was killed. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Mar 4 12:30:55 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:30:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net> , Message-ID: <8FC88F0D-8A02-42AE-8E9C-380DF2A09208@comcast.net> Great pics Marty thanks for sharing. I love the ice racer and the Tasty Tasty t-shirts. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Mar 4, 2013, at 10:54 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. > Awesome old > shots. Even some Kastner cars. > > Marty > > > > > > > > http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Mar 3 19:12:12 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:12:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs References: Message-ID: Marty, if you need a tap, let me know, I probably have several. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy and Valerie DeRuiter" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs > Marty- > > 1/4 NPT - I bought flush mount plugs from McMaster, pn 4534K42 and they > worked well for me. > > Randy > >> From: trmarty at hotmail.com >> Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on >> a >> TR3/4 crank? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Mar 4 14:28:46 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:28:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: <8FC88F0D-8A02-42AE-8E9C-380DF2A09208@comcast.net> References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net> <8FC88F0D-8A02-42AE-8E9C-380DF2A09208@comcast.net> Message-ID: there are some good pictures here...good history On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Bud R wrote: > Great pics Marty thanks for sharing. > > I love the ice racer and the Tasty Tasty t-shirts. > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2013, at 10:54 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > > Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. > > Awesome old > > shots. Even some Kastner cars. > > > > Marty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Mar 4 18:46:44 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:46:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> common trade name Hollow Hex plug. Parker number 1/4 HHP-S ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter ; trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs Marty, if you need a tap, let me know, I probably have several. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy and Valerie DeRuiter" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs > Marty- > > 1/4 NPT - I bought flush mount plugs from McMaster, pn 4534K42 and they > worked well for me. > > Randy > >> From: trmarty at hotmail.com >> Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on a >> TR3/4 crank? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Mar 5 14:59:11 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 16:59:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3.89 spit diff Message-ID: Amici, I have a 3.89 spitfire diff up for sale. $50 plus shipping. Came out of a 74 spit 1500 was quiet and smooth when removed. Diff is in Bridgeville, DE 19933. However it can be in New Jersey 08360 or along the way with enough time. Contact me off list if interested. I have pictures. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 5 16:10:55 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 00:10:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition Promotion Video In-Reply-To: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201ce19f6$b247c420$16d74c60$@com> Have fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RStast23_DE Cheers Chris From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Mar 6 09:46:15 2013 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (K LYNCH) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sad news Message-ID: Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around 9:30 MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had suffered quite enough. Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 GT6 for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a penchant for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ Kev Lynch #6 GT6 RMVR From rjohns at woh.rr.com Tue Mar 5 16:33:19 2013 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:33:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Vintage racing photos Message-ID: Subject: Vintage racing photos Very interesting bunch of old photos. I am sure you all recognize Carroll Shelby in the various photos, including Le Mans. I wonder how many recognize Colin Chapman in the photo of the Lotus-Ford at Indianapolis. A couple good shots of the old Ring. That shot of the GP car with its rear wheels so high off the surface is at the Nurburg Ring. Bob Johns From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 06:08:35 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:08:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition Promotion Video In-Reply-To: <003201ce19f6$b247c420$16d74c60$@com> References: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <003201ce19f6$b247c420$16d74c60$@com> Message-ID: Nice footage..the track looks fun too On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:10 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Have fun: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RStast23_DE > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Wed Mar 6 13:09:45 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:09:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Network outage Message-ID: <5137A289.3000202@bradakis.com> Had a network outage last night. I took advantage of the downtime to do a bit of work on the server, got the forums [ link below ] working once again. mjb. From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Mar 6 13:16:13 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:16:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: RIP Clive - although I haven't been back to Colorado to visit with Clive in many years, I still treasure the times that I did get to spend with him. John On Wed, March 6, 2013 11:46 am, K LYNCH wrote: > Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around > 9:30 > MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had > suffered quite enough. > Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 > GT6 > for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. > He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a > penchant > for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. > We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the > Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ > > Kev Lynch > #6 GT6 > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Mar 6 13:24:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:24:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFE8BFC784FB36-1B94-6101@webmail-d187.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Kevin, We never met, but talked on the phone in recent months, and he spoke proudly of Ashley and her taking over driving the GT6. We hope this legacy may continue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com John On Wed, March 6, 2013 11:46 am, K LYNCH wrote: > Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around > 9:30 > MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had > suffered quite enough. > Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 > GT6 > for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. > He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a > penchant > for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. > We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the > Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ From spitlist at cox.net Wed Mar 6 13:36:10 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:36:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sad news In-Reply-To: <8CFE8BFC784FB36-1B94-6101@webmail-d187.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFE8BFC784FB36-1B94-6101@webmail-d187.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I bought one of Clive's CV-Joint conversions and between the two of us, strengthened it so that it would handle the 240 HP of my Honda engine. He was a pleasure to work with and a real gentleman. RIP Clive! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:25 PM To: klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sad news Thanks Kevin, We never met, but talked on the phone in recent months, and he spoke proudly of Ashley and her taking over driving the GT6. We hope this legacy may continue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com John On Wed, March 6, 2013 11:46 am, K LYNCH wrote: > Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around > 9:30 > MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had > suffered quite enough. > Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 > GT6 > for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. > He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a > penchant > for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. > We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the > Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Mar 5 17:22:39 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 00:22:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch Message-ID: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> I use a double disc 7.25 Quartermaster in my TR3 with great results. Tried using a single disc unit. It lasted a season but found cracks in the disc upon removal. Went back to using double disc. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 Dear Listers! Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted gracefully! Many thanks Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ 30-second trick for a flat belly This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body's #1 fat-burning hormone http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51368c85353f5c850b74st03duc From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 6 18:33:35 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 20:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch In-Reply-To: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> SPEC stage 3 paddle works great in my TR3A Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > I use a double disc 7.25 Quartermaster in my TR3 with great results. Tried > using a single disc unit. It lasted a season but found cracks in the disc > upon removal. Went back to using double disc. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > To: > Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch > Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 > > Dear Listers! > > > > Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" > Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? > > > > Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some > combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted > gracefully! > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > 30-second trick for a flat belly > This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body's #1 fat-burning hormone > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51368c85353f5c850b74st03duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Mar 7 22:51:00 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 00:51:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tattle tale Message-ID: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Hi All, are any of the guys using a Tattle Tale in your oiling system? A setup where the oil comes from the pump to a screen and then to the cooler, filter, etc. The Tattle Tale can be taken apart and the screen checked for debris from the engine, indicating a possible impending problem. I talked to Les Gonda, who runs an MGB GT V8, very quickly, I might add, and he swears by it. Thanks, Bill From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 8 05:22:33 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 07:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tattle tale In-Reply-To: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Message-ID: We run one on Jeff's TR3. It's part of our daily track service routine to check it. It's an invaluable diagnostic tool and if checked on a schedule can be the difference between a minor refresh and a major failure. Terry Stetler From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Mar 8 11:21:40 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 10:21:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] tattle tale In-Reply-To: References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Message-ID: <513A2C34.4030401@comcast.net> I use a System One inline filter on the Spitfire in addition to the normal filter. A few years back, I spun a bearing shortly after a rebuild. I was concerned that there may have been some residual debris in one of the oil lines even though they were flushed thoroughly. I installed a new oil cooler, but also wanted to make certain that there wasn't some debris left over from it's manufacturing. I installed the System One just before the oil goes back into the engine. I did catch some miniscule particles the first time or two I ran the engine. It's been totally clean since then, but it is reassuring. From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Mar 7 15:15:03 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:15:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch In-Reply-To: <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> References: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> Message-ID: I run a dual disc 7.25" Tilton because a single disc wouldn't hold on my TR6. You may want to consider the 5.5 if you can get the proper torque values with them. Follow directions CLOSELY when setting the pedal travel stop and alignment of the transmission. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 On Mar 6, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Hasty wrote: > SPEC stage 3 paddle works great in my TR3A > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > >> I use a double disc 7.25 Quartermaster in my TR3 with great results. Tried >> using a single disc unit. It lasted a season but found cracks in the disc >> upon removal. Went back to using double disc. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Peter Vucinic" >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch >> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> >> >> Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" >> Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? >> >> >> >> Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some >> combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted >> gracefully! >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Peter Vucinic >> >> TR-4 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> 30-second trick for a flat belly >> This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body's #1 fat-burning hormone >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51368c85353f5c850b74st03duc >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 7 19:10:32 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 20:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Spring race report "delayed" Message-ID: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> We had a very exciting weekend at Texas World Speedway for CVARs Spring drivers school weekend Feb 22-24. CVAR politics aside, it was a great weekend. We had a record number (I believe) Triumphs participating. The list included: Bob Fire Ball Kramer - TR4a Andrew Smokey Kramer - TR4 Bob sticky piston Blake - TR4 Greg Blake - TR3  cant nick name myself I am sure someone will offer one Bill dip stick Collins - Spit Joe fiddle bits Hovey - Spit Jim Lee and son Philip - TR4 Philip was taking drivers school so no nick name yet Dave Foreman  Spit also taking drivers school Duncan Charlton - Morgan Piers Gormly  Morgan that looked somewhat similar to a green 911 this weekend for some reason And of course Bobby lefty Whitehead in his super powered monster car. We strongly encouraged Bobby to get that GT6 back into shape. Bobby already posted a pretty good recap of the weekend, to summarize, it was great. From my perspective there were several significant things that made this weekend so special. First, CVAR decided to break up group 7 which typically has CP, DP, and BS. DP and BS went to group 2 which is the home to EP and FP along with a few others. This meant that we had all of the Triumphs (except those in school) on track at the same time. The second thing was that sticky piston Blake finally got a checkered flag in the Sunday PM race. For most of us that have had the good fortune of the TR gods looking over our engines and keeping them together this does not seem like some great accomplishment. Well, for dad, it was. This was the first checkered flag in 18 months. In the past 18 months the engine has been out for full rebuild twice, head off countless times, and liners/pistons replaced multiple times. He seemed to have solved the sticky piston issue he was having and finally made it through a weekend. We were all very excited to see him take the checkered on Sunday afternoon. I am looking forward to watching dad get more seat time and less wrench time, it is well over due. Some of you will remmebr he got only 7 or 8 laps at Road Atlanta back in April. The group 2 races were fun. Saturday morning I was having trouble getting any temperature into my engine and only did one full lap during P&Q. This led to a fun back of the pack start for the race. Video link I had to cut the video in editing so it ends right after making the pass of the B Sedan. Not much in the race happened after this. I eventually caught but could not safely pass a BDA powered Escort. Fireball bought some new tires on Saturday evening and was ready for battle on Sunday morning. About > through the race my mirror was filled with Bobs grill, I knew he was coming. Turn 14 and I found myself watching the mirror and my normal breaking point was a distant memory when I finally clamped the binders. I went a little deep. I recovered only for a horrible entry to 15 and I went 4 off to the outside after being unable to coax the overwhelmed front tires to turn in. Since this was the penultimate lap, and I was right at the entry to the hot pits, I went in. I later told Bob that he was the reason for my first 4 off in the TR3. Needless to say he was all too happy to have assisted in that effort. Video link . I was ready for a rematch in the afternoon when it seemed fate took another turn with Dads car. There were electrical issues brewing and a quick look around we found a half melted battery in the trunk. Apparently the positive post did not like to be in contact with the metal hold down strap. Dad had a minor off of his own earlier and we figured the battery moved around a bit. We quickly loaded my car on the trailer and put my battery in dads car so he could get more seat time. That turned out to be a great choice since he finally got his checkered in that last Sunday race. A great weekend in all. We welcomed 2 new TR racers to the TxFOT, removed two transmissions, fixed two rear mounts, changed a head gasket, removed a broken ring gear, re-plumbed two cooling systems, swapped a battery, swapped a clutch slave cylinder, and fixed a smoky TR4. Oh and we watched Piers simply climb in that 911 and turn the key From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 7 21:20:24 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 22:20:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Spring race report "delayed" In-Reply-To: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> Message-ID: I was a little pesky looking in the mirrors. I wasnt happy you went off, just happy to get by. In the video it looks like you had a chance to save it. I promise I wouldnt have hit you! Gad you moved the camera for video 2 -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 8:11 PM To: 'Triumph Friends of' Cc: 'Robert Blake'; 'Bob Kramer'; 'Bobby Whitehead'; 'Piers Gormly'; 'Joe Hovey'; 'William Collins'; 'Duncan Charlton'; 'Dave Foreman' Subject: CVAR Spring race report "delayed" We had a very exciting weekend at Texas World Speedway for CVARs Spring drivers school weekend Feb 22-24. CVAR politics aside, it was a great weekend. We had a record number (I believe) Triumphs participating. The list included: Bob Fire Ball Kramer - TR4a Andrew Smokey Kramer - TR4 Bob sticky piston Blake - TR4 Greg Blake - TR3  cant nick name myself I am sure someone will offer one Bill dip stick Collins - Spit Joe fiddle bits Hovey - Spit Jim Lee and son Philip - TR4 Philip was taking drivers school so no nick name yet Dave Foreman  Spit also taking drivers school Duncan Charlton - Morgan Piers Gormly  Morgan that looked somewhat similar to a green 911 this weekend for some reason And of course Bobby lefty Whitehead in his super powered monster car. We strongly encouraged Bobby to get that GT6 back into shape. Bobby already posted a pretty good recap of the weekend, to summarize, it was great. From my perspective there were several significant things that made this weekend so special. First, CVAR decided to break up group 7 which typically has CP, DP, and BS. DP and BS went to group 2 which is the home to EP and FP along with a few others. This meant that we had all of the Triumphs (except those in school) on track at the same time. The second thing was that sticky piston Blake finally got a checkered flag in the Sunday PM race. For most of us that have had the good fortune of the TR gods looking over our engines and keeping them together this does not seem like some great accomplishment. Well, for dad, it was. This was the first checkered flag in 18 months. In the past 18 months the engine has been out for full rebuild twice, head off countless times, and liners/pistons replaced multiple times. He seemed to have solved the sticky piston issue he was having and finally made it through a weekend. We were all very excited to see him take the checkered on Sunday afternoon. I am looking forward to watching dad get more seat time and less wrench time, it is well over due. Some of you will remmebr he got only 7 or 8 laps at Road Atlanta back in April. The group 2 races were fun. Saturday morning I was having trouble getting any temperature into my engine and only did one full lap during P&Q. This led to a fun back of the pack start for the race. Video link I had to cut the video in editing so it ends right after making the pass of the B Sedan. Not much in the race happened after this. I eventually caught but could not safely pass a BDA powered Escort. Fireball bought some new tires on Saturday evening and was ready for battle on Sunday morning. About > through the race my mirror was filled with Bobs grill, I knew he was coming. Turn 14 and I found myself watching the mirror and my normal breaking point was a distant memory when I finally clamped the binders. I went a little deep. I recovered only for a horrible entry to 15 and I went 4 off to the outside after being unable to coax the overwhelmed front tires to turn in. Since this was the penultimate lap, and I was right at the entry to the hot pits, I went in. I later told Bob that he was the reason for my first 4 off in the TR3. Needless to say he was all too happy to have assisted in that effort. Video link. I was ready for a rematch in the afternoon when it seemed fate took another turn with Dads car. There were electrical issues brewing and a quick look around we found a half melted battery in the trunk. Apparently the positive post did not like to be in contact with the metal hold down strap. Dad had a minor off of his own earlier and we figured the battery moved around a bit. We quickly loaded my car on the trailer and put my battery in dads car so he could get more seat time. That turned out to be a great choice since he finally got his checkered in that last Sunday race. A great weekend in all. We welcomed 2 new TR racers to the TxFOT, removed two transmissions, fixed two rear mounts, changed a head gasket, removed a broken ring gear, re-plumbed two cooling systems, swapped a battery, swapped a clutch slave cylinder, and fixed a smoky TR4. Oh and we watched Piers simply climb in that 911 and turn the key From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 05:26:58 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:26:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch In-Reply-To: References: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8DCB1240-E5F8-4BD8-85EF-6E24E672DBA1@yahoo.com> Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 On Mar 7, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > I run a dual disc 7.25" Tilton because a single disc wouldn't hold on my TR6. You may want to consider the 5.5 if you can get the proper torque values with them. Follow directions CLOSELY when setting the pedal travel stop and alignment of the transmission. > > Mike Munson > #28 EP TR6 From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 10:09:35 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:09:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Spring race report "delayed" In-Reply-To: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> References: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <623DB52B-E73B-4F68-B8F8-05409E7ADBEE@gmail.com> Nice overtake of Andrew's smoker on the outside at turn 7. Duncan From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 8 11:41:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:41:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: NEW FOT Lister JON GANNAWAY TR4/TR6 San Francisco Area In-Reply-To: <8CFEA3A0F31373F-19A0-13076@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFEA3A0F31373F-19A0-13076@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFEA43BD621584-19A0-144F0@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot ; jgannaway Sent: Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:32 am Subject: NEW FOT Lister JON GANNAWAY TR4/TR6 San Francisco Area Please welcome Jon Gannaway from California (jgannaway at calstar.org) I believe that Jon raced a Spitfire at one time. I believe that Jon currently owns a TR4 that once was owned by his father. Jon also has a TR6 that he is preparing for vintage racing with his son. He plans to prepare it modestly and to CSRG specs....kind of like Bill Tobin, methinks. This is our kind of guy..... Thank you....I am sure that Jon will add to or correct my introduction when he is ready. Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 8 18:06:30 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:06:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 seat pans? Message-ID: <513A8B16.9040903@bradakis.com> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=142 mjb. From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Mar 8 18:43:53 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 17:43:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Adjusting front camber on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Message-ID: <1362793433.12371.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I can't find the email now but an FOTer told be me a simple way to get negative camber. I believe it is to reverse the upper wishbone and I believe it gives approx. 2 1/2 degrees of negative camber. Right now I have 3/4 degree of negative camber using shims and I am getting considerable wear on the outside shoulder of my tires. My TR6 is used exclusively for autocrossing and an occasional hillclimb with no street use. What is the maximum camber I should have without causing issues? Also, what are the issues that start happening with extreme camber (2 1/2 to 3 degrees)? Thanks for any help on this. Jim From goodparts at verizon.net Fri Mar 8 21:00:39 2013 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 23:00:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting front camber on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <1362793433.12371.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> <1362793433.12371.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring. Richard Good -------------------------------------------------- From: "sherry robyn" Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:43 PM To: Subject: [Fot] Adjusting front camber on a TR6 > I can't find the email now but an FOTer told be me a simple way to get > negative > camber. I believe it is to reverse the upper wishbone and I believe > it gives > approx. 2 1/2 degrees of negative camber. Right now I have 3/4 > degree of > negative camber using shims and I am getting considerable wear on > the outside > shoulder of my tires. My TR6 is used exclusively for > autocrossing and an > occasional hillclimb with no street use. What is the > maximum camber I should > have without causing issues? Also, what are the > issues that start happening > with extreme camber (2 1/2 to 3 degrees)? Thanks > for any help on this. Jim > _______________________________________________ From JGannaway at calstar.org Fri Mar 8 22:22:33 2013 From: JGannaway at calstar.org (Jon Gannaway) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 05:22:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Message-ID: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions would be helpful. Jon Gannaway 831-402-4080 Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Mar 9 09:35:38 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:35:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Message-ID: <7bd6.5e1c31c0.3e6cbeda@cs.com> Jon, We (and several others) have sectioned the wishbones to shorten and adjust to about 2.5 degrees, as I remember it. On the other end of the spectrum, Gary Horskorta (in your neighborhood) developed fixturing to produce a fully adjustable upper A-arm. If you scroll to the bottom, you will see "Archive: http://www.team.net/archive". This subject has come up several times and you may be able to glean some information from there. I dont know what Dave Hogye did, but whatever it was, it would be first cabin. He might jump in on this The list seems a bit quiet right now with folks getting ready for the season. Welcome aboard to the FOT.. Hop on a plane with your son and join us at Road America in September. We will be all paddocked together in what seems to be the best Kastner Cup we have ever had. A lot of activities, track touring, notables from all over North America, and about 10-15 Triumph guys from Europe and the U.K. Memorable. Joe (A) > I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for > simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions > would be helpful. > > Jon Gannaway > 831-402-4080 > > > _____ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > > From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 9 12:14:09 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 13:14:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calst ar.corp> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> Message-ID: What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. Tony Richard's message if you missed it: "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for >simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions >would be helpful. > >Jon Gannaway >831-402-4080 > > >Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents >accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but >not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 >and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the >individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are >not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly >authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents >of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have >received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by >sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of >this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Mar 9 12:39:31 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 19:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <7bd6.5e1c31c0.3e6cbeda@cs.com> Message-ID: <828964708.357742.1362857971765.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello Jon, Welcome to the FoT. Thanks Joe, for linking me in to this topic. I too would scan the archives for suspension information. First and foremost, all TR3/4 suspension modifications involve switching to TR4A/TR6 upper A-arms and 3 degree caster trunnion. I believe the early TR4s had the 0 degree trunnion as did the TR2/3. Jon, if that's what is on your car, it has to be changed. Tony Drews documented this extensively on his website, tonydrews.com. Tony changes everything to TR4A/TR6, including the upright. The through bolt trunnion is one of the best aspects of this change. This trunnion makes further adjustments and servicing much easier. I used the RevingtonTR adjustable fulcrum pivot on my TR3. I thought it was a good compromise to the cut and shut a-arm method and adjustable rod end type. However, I do think that the adjustable rod end is the best way to go and that is what Gary has fine tuned. I know that a few others have used the rod end modification, including uncle jack. The Revington TR fulcrum pin spaces the a-arms outward and I had a clearance issue on the inner wheel well body work on my TR3. I trimmed the pin as much as I could beyond the Nyloc nut fastener and tweaked the body work slightly. With the outward spacing on the a-arms they use spacers on each side of the ball joint. This can cause clearance problems between the a-arm and the wheel. I experienced this on one side and made further adjustments. I know a TR2 and a TR3 racer that use the Revington design, they race with HMSA. Come to think of it, these guys should be in the FoT. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: JGannaway at calstar.org, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:35:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Jon, We (and several others) have sectioned the wishbones to shorten and adjust to about 2.5 degrees, as I remember it. On the other end of the spectrum, Gary Horskorta (in your neighborhood) developed fixturing to produce a fully adjustable upper A-arm. If you scroll to the bottom, you will see "Archive: http://www.team.net/archive". This subject has come up several times and you may be able to glean some information from there. I dont know what Dave Hogye did, but whatever it was, it would be first cabin. He might jump in on this The list seems a bit quiet right now with folks getting ready for the season. Welcome aboard to the FOT.. Hop on a plane with your son and join us at Road America in September. We will be all paddocked together in what seems to be the best Kastner Cup we have ever had. A lot of activities, track touring, notables from all over North America, and about 10-15 Triumph guys from Europe and the U.K. Memorable. Joe (A) > I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for > simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions > would be helpful. > > Jon Gannaway > 831-402-4080 > > > _____ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sat Mar 9 18:58:38 2013 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:58:38 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> Message-ID: Have a look at the MOSS 1.5 DEG Negative Camber Vertical links. TT3003 Easy and cost effective! Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jon Gannaway Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 4:23 PM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions would be helpful. Jon Gannaway 831-402-4080 Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 09:42:45 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:42:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> <20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. Larry On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as > well. > > Tony > > Richard's message if you missed it: > "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the > control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I > remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing > the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts > holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball > joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin > the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other > side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but > reverses the fulcrum. > > Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I > run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on > 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my > unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt > holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires > off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 > degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I > backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to > a slightly stiffer spring." > > At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am >> looking for >> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any >> suggestions >> would be helpful. >> >> Jon Gannaway >> 831-402-4080 >> >> >> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the >> documents >> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, >> including, but >> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability >> Act of 1996 >> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the >> use of the >> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. >> If you are >> not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not >> properly >> authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >> disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the >> contents >> of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If >> you have >> received this information in error, please notify the sender >> immediately by >> sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the >> deletion of >> this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 12:24:01 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:24:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <513CB149.30507@sri.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> <20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <513CB149.30507@sri.com> Message-ID: <513CCFC1.40007@pobox.com> Here is a photo of some upper A arms I did to give 2 degrees negative camber on my TR3 (now John Hasty's) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/53707928 at N02 Cut off the end, drill new holes at the correct location. The short piece of pipe supports the hole that is not on the flat part. This looks much nicer than cutting a piece out of the middle and welding them back together. From geometric calculations it takes about 0.174 inches to change the camber 1 degree. I believe this agrees with the numbers that Richard Good had in his post. Larry On 3/10/2013 11:14 AM, Cregg Cowan wrote: > Yes, please do send or post photos. > Thank you! > > Cregg From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 12:29:34 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:29:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <513CD10E.5030209@pobox.com> I believe this was intended for the list. I accidentally send to the sender all the time -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:58:16 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: Larry Young I was probably the first to turn the upper "A" arm fulcrum around back in 1958 trying to get some negative camber. This move does not give enough change in the camber. You just about have the wheel straight up only, eleminating the factory setting of positive camber. In the end I had to bend the verticle link to get the desired two degrees negative. I describe several other methods of achieving a negative camber in my first book, the Triumph Preparation Handbook, try pages 202-205 for some more information.. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Larry Young > wrote: It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. Larry On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. Tony Richard's message if you missed it: "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions would be helpful. Jon Gannaway 831-402-4080 Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun Mar 10 16:35:08 2013 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:35:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> Message-ID: <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 deg. positive. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 > It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a > TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it > takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 > degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have > to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the > suspension on my TR3 (see > http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat > way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that > does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is > interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that > do not permit Heim joints, etc. > Larry > > On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >> What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as >> well. >> >> Tony >> >> Richard's message if you missed it: >> "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control >> arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my >> calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms >> from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the >> tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole >> assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees >> then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps >> the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. >> >> Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run >> for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" >> rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my >> unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt >> holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off >> and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees >> but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off >> to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly >> stiffer spring." >> >> At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >>> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking >>> for >>> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any >>> suggestions >>> would be helpful. >>> >>> Jon Gannaway >>> 831-402-4080 >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the >>> documents >>> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >>> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, >>> including, but >>> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act >>> of 1996 >>> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use >>> of the >>> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If >>> you are >>> not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not >>> properly >>> authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >>> disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the >>> contents >>> of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you >>> have >>> received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately >>> by >>> sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the >>> deletion of >>> this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 17:36:59 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:36:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <513D191B.7080508@pobox.com> My TR3 had the original suspension A arm system before with 0 caster. If you Iook at my report, I measured something a bit less than 2 degrees camber and not the same from side to side. I chaulked that up to wear and tear. I did not see an appreciable change in the camber when I switched to the the TR4 A arms with 3 degrees of caster. Also, the amount I had to shorten the A arms agreed with the value I calculated from measurements, i.e. 0.174 inches/deg. I thought the change in the stock camber started with the adjustable camber system installled in the TR4A. I haven't researched this, so perhaps someone else has some verification. Larry On 3/10/2013 5:35 PM, Stutzmans wrote: > Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to > what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions > (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 > deg. positive. > Bruce From mark at bradakis.com Mon Mar 11 18:40:59 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:40:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Clive Message-ID: <513E799B.8000808@bradakis.com> I liked the posts about Clive on facebook, nicely done. mjb. From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 18:40:37 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:40:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> Message-ID: <513D2805.1010801@pobox.com> I think that is the same software I used. I did not find an appreciable difference between the two methods (shortening the A arms or moving the pivots inwards). You don't really need suspension software to look at this simple stuff. I found a spreadsheet agreed with it and was not as cumbersome. On 3/10/2013 7:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:I > According to the analysis I did with my suspension software (SuspPro) the most useful way to change camber on a TR3 is to move the upper arms inward and kee.p them the same length. I use the TR6 bits to get caster and cut the upper arms to add heim joints to make an adjustable arm, but the length is close to stock, just has the pivot moved inwards. > > If you shorten the upper A arms you wind up with a lot of camber at full bump. It's also pretty hard to get the bump steer out with shorter arms, the outer pivot point moves well inside the lower pivot. From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 13:06:42 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:06:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <513CD10E.5030209@pobox.com> References: <513CD10E.5030209@pobox.com> Message-ID: *Never be beaten by equipment.* > I was probably the first to turn the upper "A" arm fulcrum around back > in 1958 trying to get some negative camber. This move does not give > enough change in the camber. You just about have the wheel straight up > only, eleminating the factory setting of positive camber. > In the end I had to bend the verticle link to get the desired two > degrees negative. I describe several other methods of achieving a > negative camber in my first book, the Triumph Preparation Handbook, > try pages 202-205 for some more information.. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Larry Young > wrote: > > It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber > for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 > degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a > little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as > many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote > a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see > http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is > a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob > Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a > photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not > obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. > Larry > > On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the > TR-4 as well. > > Tony > > Richard's message if you missed it: > "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the > control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber > if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without > removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four > bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through > the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the > fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the > whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the > front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. > > Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's > that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are > 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the > tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and > then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I > just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly > even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the > inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees > to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer > spring." > > At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: > > I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I > am looking for > simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. > Any suggestions > would be helpful. > > Jon Gannaway > 831-402-4080 > > > Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or > the documents > accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain > confidential health > information that is legally protected by state and federal > law, including, but > not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and > Accountability Act of 1996 > and related regulations. This information is intended only > for the use of the > individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is > addressed. If you are > not the intended recipient of this information, or if you > are not properly > authorized to receive this information, you are hereby > notified that any > disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in > reliance on the contents > of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly > prohibited. If you have > received this information in error, please notify the sender > immediately by > sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for > the deletion of > this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any > attached documents. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 10 13:01:41 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:01:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Message-ID: I had this mod done on my first TR4. The idea was from Graham Davies, a british car mechanic who used to have a shop here in Austin. He mocked it up on the car to get the desired camber, drilled holes and cut the tubes to fit and bolted it all together to a loose ball joint to spot weld. Once you round off the corners with a grinder it looks OEM. I'm about to embark in this mod on my son's car when I convert the suspension to TR6. Bob Kramer Sent from my Samsung Galaxy TabLarry Young wrote:Here is a photo of some upper A arms I did to give 2 degrees negative camber on my TR3 (now John Hasty's) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/53707928 at N02 Cut off the end, drill new holes at the correct location.B The short piece of pipe supports the hole that is not on the flat part. This looks much nicer than cutting a piece out of the middle and welding them back together. From geometric calculations it takes about 0.174 inches to change the camber 1 degree.B I believe this agrees with the numbers that Richard Good had in his post. Larry On 3/10/2013 11:14 AM, Cregg Cowan wrote: > Yes, please do send or post photos. > Thank you! > > Cregg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 18:06:07 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:06:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> According to the analysis I did with my suspension software (SuspPro) the most useful way to change camber on a TR3 is to move the upper arms inward and keep them the same length. I use the TR6 bits to get caster and cut the upper arms to add heim joints to make an adjustable arm, but the length is close to stock, just has the pivot moved inwards. If you shorten the upper A arms you wind up with a lot of camber at full bump. It's also pretty hard to get the bump steer out with shorter arms, the outer pivot point moves well inside the lower pivot. On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Stutzmans" wrote: > Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 deg. positive. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 > > >> It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. >> Larry >> >> On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >>> What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> Richard's message if you missed it: >>> "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. >>> >>> Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." >>> >>> At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >>>> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for >>>> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions >>>> would be helpful. >>>> >>>> Jon Gannaway >>>> 831-402-4080 >>>> >>>> >>>> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents >>>> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >>>> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but >>>> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 >>>> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the >>>> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are >>>> not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly >>>> authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >>>> disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents >>>> of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have >>>> received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by >>>> sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of >>>> this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From rjohns at woh.rr.com Mon Mar 11 19:42:29 2013 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:42:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Simplified Triumph History from Jeff Kelly Message-ID: <84F65CEEECC34AD19E6E3B608E366583@Bucktailus> When the question came up recently of the connection between Triumph Motorcycles and Cars, I asked the judgment of a friend of ours, that strongly supports FOT. He is a member of VTR and TRA, and an expert and concurs judge on originally items on TR2s and TR3s. I think we should invite him to join us on the list. He will be a strong contributing member. Bob Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Kelley To: Robert Johns Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:17 PM Subject: Simplified Triumph History A little late and very simple. There is some disagreement on the exact dates. 1984 Siegfried Bettmann arrives in London 1985 Bettmann becomes a salesman for the White Sewing Machine Co. 1986 Williams Andrews Co in Birmingham builds "Triumph" bicycles for Bettmann 1987 Bettmann with Mauritz Schulte starts building Triumph bicycles in Coventry 1895 Dunlop invests in Triumph 1903 Start production of motorcycles 1911 Bettmann helps Reginald Maudslay regain control of Standard Motor Co as chairman. 1913 Bettmann becomes Lord Mayor Coventry 1923 Start production of cars in Coventry 1931 Bicycle business is sold off mid-1930's Donald Healy provides technical know-how. 1936 Car production and Motorcycles split Bettmann comes out of retirement to manage the motorcycles. 1939 Triumph is bankrupt 1940 Triumph is bought by Thomas Ward Ltd. Nov 24, 1944 Standard Motor Co buys Triumph 1951 Bettmann dies From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Mar 11 19:51:51 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Simplified Triumph History from Jeff Kelly In-Reply-To: <84F65CEEECC34AD19E6E3B608E366583@Bucktailus> References: <84F65CEEECC34AD19E6E3B608E366583@Bucktailus> Message-ID: <8CFECDB4C8FB20E-EE8-4BD29@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> Bring Jeff Kelly On! I see an asset here. Bob, you need to supply Jeff's email address to Mark Bradakis. We will be looking forward to seeing you both at the KASTNER CUP. We need to get the word out to TRA, as well..... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Johns To: FOT team Cc: Joe Alexander Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:42 pm Subject: Fw: Simplified Triumph History from Jeff Kelly When the question came up recently of the connection between Triumph Motorcycles and Cars, I asked the judgment of a friend of ours, that strongly supports FOT. He is a member of VTR and TRA, and an expert and concurs judge on originally items on TR2s and TR3s. I think we should invite him to join us on the list. He will be a strong contributing member. Bob Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Kelley To: Robert Johns Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:17 PM Subject: Simplified Triumph History A little late and very simple. There is some disagreement on the exact dates. 1984 Siegfried Bettmann arrives in London 1985 Bettmann becomes a salesman for the White Sewing Machine Co. 1986 Williams Andrews Co in Birmingham builds "Triumph" bicycles for Bettmann 1987 Bettmann with Mauritz Schulte starts building Triumph bicycles in Coventry 1895 Dunlop invests in Triumph 1903 Start production of motorcycles 1911 Bettmann helps Reginald Maudslay regain control of Standard Motor Co as chairman. 1913 Bettmann becomes Lord Mayor Coventry 1923 Start production of cars in Coventry 1931 Bicycle business is sold off mid-1930's Donald Healy provides technical know-how. 1936 Car production and Motorcycles split Bettmann comes out of retirement to manage the motorcycles. 1939 Triumph is bankrupt 1940 Triumph is bought by Thomas Ward Ltd. Nov 24, 1944 Standard Motor Co buys Triumph 1951 Bettmann dies From mark at bradakis.com Mon Mar 11 20:52:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:52:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Simplified Triumph History from Jeff Kelly In-Reply-To: <8CFECDB4C8FB20E-EE8-4BD29@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> References: <84F65CEEECC34AD19E6E3B608E366583@Bucktailus> <8CFECDB4C8FB20E-EE8-4BD29@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <513E9850.9090803@bradakis.com> Joe Alexander wrote: > Bring Jeff Kelly On! I see an asset here. > > Bob, you need to supply Jeff's email address to Mark Bradakis. > > Yes, please do. And I fixed some of the typos in the archived copy of the message. mjb. From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Mar 12 08:41:47 2013 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:41:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Sold at Gooding Auction for $55K! Message-ID: <00d401ce1f2f$b9e1ccb0$2da56610$@org> WOW, it looks really nice, but jeez! Auction madness? http://www.goodingco.com/car/1957-triumph-tr3-0 Gooding & Company Auction at Amelia Island this past weekend. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 12 23:15:01 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:15:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Forums Message-ID: <51400B55.6080103@bradakis.com> I have fixed the problem with new registrations for the forums [ link below ] so those who are not already registered can sign up. mjb. From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Mar 13 10:06:24 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare Message-ID: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) Looking for some advice on keeping a spare engine. Is it must to finish a season? Should I have one done for me? Should I have the head done and build block myself? How long would it take? I have a complete spare (hasn't run in a long time) Not looking for anything extreme, just a good strong unit. I have a lot to learn about racing and don't plan on pushing car real hard. I want to learn and get lots of track time this season. MONEY IS AN ISSUE!!! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 13 11:56:03 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:56:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare In-Reply-To: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> References: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Message-ID: <073245101C9449B29253C63A27F880E8@gdhs.local> Mike: My experience says you ought to have a spare if you plan any long trips to race. I went all the way to Mosport from Charlotte only to have the motor pitch a rod in the 2nd practice session. I now have a fully prepared spare engine, but lucky for me havn't had to use it yet in over 1 1/2 yrs. However, if cost is a problem, forget it. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:06 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) Looking for some advice on keeping a spare engine. Is it must to finish a season? Should I have one done for me? Should I have the head done and build block myself? How long would it take? I have a complete spare (hasn't run in a long time) Not looking for anything extreme, just a good strong unit. I have a lot to learn about racing and don't plan on pushing car real hard. I want to learn and get lots of track time this season. MONEY IS AN ISSUE!!! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 12:34:56 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare In-Reply-To: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> References: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Message-ID: Mike, Your engine's spec sounds identical to mine except that I have a Babe Erson 300 cam (I didn't look at the Tilden Cams chart yet how that compares to yours). I keep the rpm below 6200 most of the time and there are probably ten race weekends on the engine, with the only "failure" being that compression is not what it once was. That said, it's time for me to start getting my spare engine ready... Duncan Texas 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (TR4 engine) #6 red On Mar 13, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary > Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, > carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) From malaboge at aol.com Wed Mar 13 12:36:05 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare In-Reply-To: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> References: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Message-ID: <8CFEE30C11DEF07-9B0-1200C@webmail-d295.sysops.aol.com> Mike, There is an interesting corollary that Ibve come to believein whole-heartedlyb&whatever spare you have with you will not be needed. Back in the day, other racers often commentedon the odd spares I brought with me to the track. ALL of those spares represented a problemthat had occurred during my racing career. Amazingly, I canbt recall everhaving to utilize 99% of those spares a second time although I helped many a TRracer with those uncommon spares. The look on their faces when I pulled thepiece they needed from the truck was worth the trouble! You will have manyissues yourself, and you can start your own pile-o-spares. With that in mind, no matter what level of experience youuse to build a spare motor, you will always have bthe good motorb and the bbackupbb&theybrenever the same, even with the same parts installed. So, I would have someone do a head for youand build the best bottom end you can. The time will come that you will have a tired/broken motor and anupcoming race that you really want to attendb&time for that bother motorbb&youbllbe glad you did. Of course you should do the engine build yourself, thatbsthe best feeling, going around the track on your own sweat and equity! Sweatin in Nor Cal Nick Good luck with Gary's old car, it will be missed here in Nor Cal...one less TR in the area. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Moore To: fot Sent: Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:06 am Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) Looking for some advice on keeping a spare engine. Is it must to finish a season? Should I have one done for me? Should I have the head done and build block myself? How long would it take? I have a complete spare (hasn't run in a long time) Not looking for anything extreme, just a good strong unit. I have a lot to learn about racing and don't plan on pushing car real hard. I want to learn and get lots of track time this season. MONEY IS AN ISSUE!!! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 12 21:07:31 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:07:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000501ce1f97$e7d48370$b77d8a50$@com> Bill, I'm not sure I follow the modification you did. You said you made adjustable upper A-arms with Heim joints, which I'm familiar with. But then you said the length is close to stock and the pivot moved inward. Do you mean the inner pivot rod on the frame or the outer ball joint pivot? And when others have done the modification of shortening the upper A-arms by cutting a section out and then re-welding the remaining pieces back together, they have reported having to shorten the A-arm by about 1/2 inch to get the - 3 degrees camber. Did you not have to shorten your Heim joint A-arms by about 1/2 inch also? Thanks. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:06 PM To: Stutzmans Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 According to the analysis I did with my suspension software (SuspPro) the most useful way to change camber on a TR3 is to move the upper arms inward and keep them the same length. I use the TR6 bits to get caster and cut the upper arms to add heim joints to make an adjustable arm, but the length is close to stock, just has the pivot moved inwards. If you shorten the upper A arms you wind up with a lot of camber at full bump. It's also pretty hard to get the bump steer out with shorter arms, the outer pivot point moves well inside the lower pivot. On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Stutzmans" wrote: > Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 deg. positive. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 > > >> It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. >> Larry >> >> On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >>> What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> Richard's message if you missed it: >>> "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. >>> >>> Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." >>> >>> At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >>>> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for >>>> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions >>>> would be helpful. >>>> >>>> Jon Gannaway >>>> 831-402-4080 >>>> >>>> >>>> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents >>>> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >>>> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but >>>> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 >>>> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the >>>> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are >>>> not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly >>>> authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >>>> disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents >>>> of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have >>>> received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by >>>> sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of >>>> this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 13 15:31:17 2013 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp at rogers.com) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:31:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie Message-ID: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 13 17:57:27 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:57:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Air Fuel meter Message-ID: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> Anyone using this AFM gauge? Any issues with leaded fuel as instructions say it will shorten sensor life? AEM Electronics Digital Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits 30-4100 Thanks, Greg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Mar 14 02:25:02 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:25:02 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Air Fuel meter In-Reply-To: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> References: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000701ce208d$6db180b0$49148210$@com> I'm using a Innovate System at my dasboard and have it also linked to my datalogger system so that I can see it in my videos. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vdMBHNHdTaM/T3OKEvvi9sI/AAAAAAAABRw/4-vAe 94k8Sg/s983/DSC02630.JPG Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg & Alison Blake Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Mdrz 2013 00:57 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: [Fot] Air Fuel meter Anyone using this AFM gauge? Any issues with leaded fuel as instructions say it will shorten sensor life? AEM Electronics Digital Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits 30-4100 Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 14 09:36:04 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:36:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 14 09:45:33 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:45:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Watch and laugh Message-ID: <506D58250B62401DBF2CB167DA3EF9B9@gdhs.local> I know this isn't about our passion, but it is funny as heck...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. 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John Lye) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:14:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Watch and laugh In-Reply-To: <506D58250B62401DBF2CB167DA3EF9B9@gdhs.local> References: <506D58250B62401DBF2CB167DA3EF9B9@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <71e77a7bed782bfefb5f4fda19851fc7.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Candid Camera returns! Very funny, thanks. John On Thu, March 14, 2013 11:45 am, john hasty wrote: > I know this isn't about our passion, but it is funny as heck...... > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information > that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > > > > _____ > > From: Ron Meade [mailto:ronmeade at zoominternet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:30 PM > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Subject: Fw: Watch and laugh > > > > Subject: Watch and laugh > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > http://www.pepsimax.com/TestDrive > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 10:19:57 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:19:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> Message-ID: I appreciate you sharing that...that was really good stuff ! On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:31 PM, wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 > > &feature=player_detailpage > > > > I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked > the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 14 09:49:36 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:49:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> Thanks John...I(and quite a few FOT folks) raced the original Laguna Seca many times...THAT was fast!...With a huge 'pucker factor' in turns 2 and 3..It was changed to make it long enough for Grand Prix Motocycles. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 14 10:11:57 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> Message-ID: <51B04DC16A6940C9963D37771488369D@gdhs.local> Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:50 AM To: 'john hasty'; macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: RE: [Fot] Triumph Movie Thanks John...I(and quite a few FOT folks) raced the original Laguna Seca many times...THAT was fast!...With a huge 'pucker factor' in turns 2 and 3..It was changed to make it long enough for Grand Prix Motocycles. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 13:20:10 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:20:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Air Fuel meter/ Auto Meter In-Reply-To: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> References: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Greg, I use an Auto Meter wide band gauge that has an output for D. A. I have not had any issues yet but have been told when the sensor gets dirty you can heat the tips up to glowing red with a torch to clean them. BTW, Fellow FOT member Mark Craig has saved a lot of us quite a bit of money on Auto Meter brand gauges. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Greg & Alison Blake" wrote: > Anyone using this AFM gauge? Any issues with leaded fuel as instructions > say it will shorten sensor life? > > AEM Electronics Digital Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits 30-4100 > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu Mar 14 13:16:53 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:16:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <51B04DC16A6940C9963D37771488369D@gdhs.local> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> <51B04DC16A6940C9963D37771488369D@gdhs.local> Message-ID: "The Gravity Cavity"... lots of national championships won and lost there. Too bad it is no more. I can only image how awesome that downhill plunge was "back in the day" Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "john hasty" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 To: ; ; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Mar 14 13:39:04 2013 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:39:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] FW: Watch and laugh Message-ID: <1987935.1839118.1363289944368.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Mar 15 20:28:39 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:28:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] NecksGen Safety Alert (head and neck restraint device) Message-ID: A safety warning for anyone using a NecksGen head and neck restraint device! Check your hardware to be sure all twelve bolts, washers, and nuts are there and if it didn't come with thread locker on all of the bolts, remove all twelve bolts and use some blue Loc-Tite on the threads before reassembling. At my last race I sat on the grid warming up when I realized there was something seriously wrong with my NecksGen head and neck restraint. The tab that goes into the helmet was lying on the passenger seat so I raced without it. I later found that several pieces of hardware had simply come apart, including in the angle adjustment area, which I had tightened myself. However, there also appeared to be two missing bolts that attach the helmet straps to the main body of the device, but I could not find these pieces anywhere. I found a few bits of missing hardware on the floor in the Morgan. I asked a few others using the device to look at theirs and the one reply I got indicated that his looked just like mine -- but it turned out he simply hadn't pulled hard enough on the straps yet to have them pull out as mine did -- he was missing the same two critical bolts that connect the two halves of the unit together and clamp the helmet strap anchor in place. NecksGen has told at least one other customer that they will send out replacement hardware for free, and Farin Brady told me they would refund my purchase of a hardware replacement set (I had bought a full set of replacement hardware since I really didn't yet know what I was missing nor that there was essentially a defect in the product, ie: it was not my fault). The diagram that came with the device wasn't of any help in determining where the various pieces of hardware go, nor was a similar diagram on their website. I spoke to Jeff to get the layout correct. The replacement bolts have a dab of thread locking compound already on them. Jeff explained that their testing did not uncover this problem and they were unaware of it until the first hundred or so devices were out the door and they started getting feedback from customers. They didn't anticipate the degree of vibration encountered by users of the device. No mention of why I hadn't been contacted as soon as they knew of the problem, but since I purchased this through a group buy, they may not have had my name and contact information on file. The design requires spring washers to be put under the heads of the bolts rather than under the nuts, which are countersunk stepped round barrel nuts, and that the main large pieces of the device which the bolts pass through are made of a composite material, which may have some "give" to it, allowing the stainless hardware to loosen under vibration. If the bolts that pass through both pieces of the device and the helmet anchor strap fitting are missing as mine were, replacement ones should be pushed in from the outboard side with a spring washer under the head, through a "side bushing" that fits inside the large hole in the anchor tab of the helmet strap, with the stepped barrel nut on the inboard side. The side bushing is also stepped and the narrower part points outboard (OK, wait, I'm not absolutely sure about that any more -- but it may only go one way). Duncan Charlton Texas 1953 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red From Janzen at REcatalyst.com Sat Mar 16 10:52:17 2013 From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:52:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring locator - GT6 or Spit Message-ID: I'm re-assembling my cylinder head, and one of the valve spring locators (at the use of the spring, around the guide) is broken. It's the typical "T" in section, black oxide, but I can't find any through Crane, Isky, Comp or Edelbrock that are small enough. 0.51 ID, 0.61 spring ID, about 1.02" OD, 0.05" thick. Any ideas on sources - I have no idea where these came from - probably on the car when I got them, but they are perfect for the Isky springs. Thanks! From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Mar 15 13:18:55 2013 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:18:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <20130315183534.782C640526@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I was at that race when PLN won the championship. The race fans loved it. As did I. Those were special days with factory cars and pro drivers. And all these years later we are still racing these cars. It was a huge influence on me. On 3/14/13 2:16 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: "The Gravity Cavity"... lots of national championships won and lost there. Too bad it is no more. I can only image how awesome that downhill plunge was "back in the day" Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "john hasty" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 To: ; ; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3446201935_275400483] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 15 15:16:43 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:16:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <1087727756.482911.1363374494143.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1087727756.482911.1363374494143.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I ran the old Road Atlanta on a 350cc Yamaha. 12500 as you crested the hill at the end of back straight, fall into GC at about 13000. And hope you could lean over far enough to not hit the rumble strips between the track and pit in as you came under the bridge. Ah to be young and fearless again! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:08 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Gravity Cavity...the pucker factor number goes up exponentially with the increase in negative G's as does > > the volume of sceaming in my helmet. > > jim g > > > From: jason at multivintage.com > To: "john hasty" , fot-bounces at autox.team.net, budscars at comcast.net, macdonaldp at rogers.com, "Fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:16:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie > > "The Gravity Cavity"... lots of national championships won and lost there. Too bad it is no more. I can only image how awesome that downhill plunge was "back in the day" > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "john hasty" > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 > To: ; ; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie > > Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a > fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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I particularly liked > the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Mar 16 18:21:10 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:21:10 GMT Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring locator - GT6 or Spit Message-ID: <20130316.202110.9161.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> When I needed some for my TR3 I bought some that had the correct inner diameters and then I machined the outer diameter to fit the head. You may want to try your local machine shop to see of they have something that will fit. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring locator - GT6 or Spit Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:52:17 -0400 I'm re-assembling my cylinder head, and one of the valve spring locators (at the use of the spring, around the guide) is broken. It's the typical "T" in section, black oxide, but I can't find any through Crane, Isky, Comp or Edelbrock that are small enough. 0.51 ID, 0.61 spring ID, about 1.02" OD, 0.05" thick. Any ideas on sources - I have no idea where these came from - probably on the car when I got them, but they are perfect for the Isky springs. Thanks! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ 5 Diet Pills that Work 2012's Top 5 Weight Loss Pills. Updated Consumer Ratings. Free Report. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51450cccd697eccc563est03duc From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Sun Mar 17 05:12:49 2013 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:12:49 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure Message-ID: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> Amici I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking cam shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding 5000 rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 13:02:59 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:02:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F-1 adverts Message-ID: Just as a point of interest in the Mercedes commercials in the F-1 race the cars and a bit of track are inserted into the background of our track in Califonia, Willow Springs. The back straight is just below the hills you see. *Never be beaten by equipment.* From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 15:15:39 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 66 Triumph TR4A for sale Message-ID: <1363554939.83849.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I wanted to post a link to this beautiful 1966 Triumph TR4A. This car is beautiful, and comes with some really cool documentation. Runs and drives beautifully. It won't last long on Ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111034010164 Shawn Frank Continued Legacy-owner Drive Away Cancer Iowa 515-339-4228 From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 16:55:54 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Drive Away Cancer Iowa TR4A build progress Message-ID: <1363560954.58548.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I wanted to share a link with you all of my Facebook photo album of the build on the Drive Away Cancer Iowa car. We had a great Saturday putting some new parts on this official Drive Away Cancer Iowa 1965 Triumph TR4A named "John". We will have this car at the upcoming Kastner Cup. Keep em on the road...and track... https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.560821733950668.1073741825.431473933552116&type=1 Shawn Frank Continued Legacy-owner Drive Away Cancer Iowa #515-339-4228 From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Mar 17 22:46:35 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: TR3 Cam Failure Message-ID: <96b.588233a5.3e77f62b@aol.com> If the camshaft shaft diameter is reduced during re grinding, that(between #1 and #2) is where it is most likely to fail. If you are unlucky, it will also fail in front of the #2 cam journal, and the cam piece will fall down and trash the motor. The USA factory race cams were ground from cams that arrived in the USA with un ground lobes, and KAS had them ground. I have had the lobes of a standard cam (TR4A is best) welded before regrinding, and that worked. In the development of the TR2 they arrived at the two shank diameters in each camshaft to reduce failures. I also strongly recommend checking all possible related issues: from coil bind to the dist/oil pump gear and the cam bearings. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 3/17/2013 11:02:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:12:49 +1100 From: "geoff byrne" To: "Friends of Triumph" Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure Message-ID: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking cam shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding 5000 rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Mar 18 09:11:32 2013 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:11:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure In-Reply-To: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> References: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <9EA57CC6D2EA4E96BB0705550AD14E4E@ComputerPC> As time goes by we tend to forget some of the old lessons. Except Hardy who is right on. TR3/4 cams were designed by the factory with the diameter of the front half larger than the back half. This stopped the problem of cam deflection. When cam grinders regrind these cams they have to remove some of this increased thickness or the new lobe heels would be below the shaft. Could deflection return on these cams? New blanks - I recently bought and installed a 270 from BPNW ground on a new blank by David Newman in England. This new blank, presumably from India, did not have the factory increased diameter front half. Could deflaction be a problem? Because of stories that the dizzy gear on new Indian made blanks was not cut properly causing dizzy shafts to break, I test installed mine with die makers blue and it was ok. Could deflection have been the problem? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff byrne" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:12 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure > Amici > > I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking > cam > shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding > 5000 > rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor > is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would > appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Mar 18 10:46:35 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:46:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure In-Reply-To: <514740E1.0@pobox.com> References: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> <9EA57CC6D2EA4E96BB0705550AD14E4E@ComputerPC> <514740E1.0@pobox.com> Message-ID: <514744EB.4080402@pobox.com> With the new blanks there is no need to grind off the large front diameter unless the lift is really huge (>0.38). The rough lobes extend about 1/8 inch beyond the bearing radius. Since the front four lobes don't have to slide through the bearings, why grind off this extra material? Everyone seems to do this, but they don't need to. I had my cams ground only until the front lobes cleaned up. The only one that ever broke was by a Neanderthal Fedex man. > > On 3/18/2013 10:11 AM, Stutzmans wrote: >> As time goes by we tend to forget some of the old lessons. Except >> Hardy who is right on. >> TR3/4 cams were designed by the factory with the diameter of the >> front half larger than the back half. This stopped the problem of >> cam deflection. >> When cam grinders regrind these cams they have to remove some of this >> increased thickness or the new lobe heels would be below the shaft. >> Could deflection return on these cams? >> New blanks - I recently bought and installed a 270 from BPNW ground >> on a new blank by David Newman in England. This new blank, >> presumably from India, did not have the factory increased diameter >> front half. Could deflaction be a problem? >> Because of stories that the dizzy gear on new Indian made blanks was >> not cut properly causing dizzy shafts to break, I test installed mine >> with die makers blue and it was ok. Could deflection have been the >> problem? >> Bruce >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff byrne" >> >> To: "Friends of Triumph" >> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:12 AM >> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure >> >> >>> Amici >>> >>> I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep >>> braking cam >>> shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while >>> holding 5000 >>> rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder >>> motor >>> is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would >>> appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution >>> >>> Geoff Byrne >>> >>> TR6 Racer Down Under >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Mar 18 11:03:08 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:03:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Subject: TR3 Cam Failure In-Reply-To: <96b.588233a5.3e77f62b@aol.com> References: <96b.588233a5.3e77f62b@aol.com> Message-ID: <514748CC.7030205@pobox.com> The article that mentions the reason for enlarging the front part of the cam sites deflection as the primary issue they were trying to solve. Deflection leads to tossing valves, valves bouncing off the seat, etc. Making it larger up front helps both problems, strengths and flexibility. On 3/17/2013 11:46 PM, Catpusher at aol.com wrote: > If the camshaft shaft diameter is reduced during re grinding, > that(between #1 and #2) is where it is most likely to fail. If you are unlucky, it > will also fail in front of the #2 cam journal, and the cam piece will fall > down and trash the motor. > The USA factory race cams were ground from cams that arrived in the USA > with un ground lobes, and KAS had them ground. I have had the lobes of a > standard cam (TR4A is best) welded before regrinding, and that worked. In the > development of the TR2 they arrived at the two shank diameters in each > camshaft to reduce failures. > I also strongly recommend checking all possible related issues: from coil > bind to the dist/oil pump gear and the cam bearings. > > TR Regards, > > Hardy > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2013 11:02:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:12:49 +1100 > From: "geoff byrne" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure > Message-ID: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Amici > > I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking > cam > shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding > 5000 > rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor > is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would > appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 13:26:40 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Amici I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of the engine. In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the radiator? Thank you Just the wrench John Wagner From jaboruch at netzero.com Mon Mar 18 15:42:03 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:42:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <20130318.174203.19555.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> I have a -4 braided hose from the heater valve location in the head to the thermostat housing by-pass location. The fitting at the back of the head has the ID reduced to about 3/16 inch. This is essentially a steam vent. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: John Wagner To: "Fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] cooling Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Amici I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of the engine. In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the radiator? Thank you Just the wrench John Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51478a9a9ec6a99547dst01duc From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Mar 18 16:29:39 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:29:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hubs Message-ID: <51479553.7040804@charter.net> Group One of our club members has some bad TR4 solid axle hubs. Do any of you have any spares? Anyone have the Churchhill hub tool they would like to part with? Please let me know . Thanks Glenn From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 18 18:57:05 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] cooling In-Reply-To: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901ce243c$acf8d770$06ea8650$@rr.com> John, One of the short comings of the TR3 and TR4 cooling system design is the inability of steam to escape the system. Once formed, it creates hot spots and air has replaced water in the area steam has formed if you don't give it a path to escape. The fact that the thermostat housing is typically the high point of the system doesn't help. Another problem is lack of flow to the back of the head and to piston #4. I started down a similar path as you suggest. I assumed that if I routed hot return water back to the suction side of the water pump (return heater port) I'd be recirculating hot water and this would be bad. So for my system, I installed a expansion tank with a 22-25 psi cap on the firewall routed the heater supply (port on back top PS of head) to the top side port of the tank and routed the return line from the bottom of the tank to a fitting I installed between the thermostat housing and the intake of the radiator (I run a Chevy style cross flow radiator read more later). This allowed the hot water from the back of the block and head to return directly to the radiator and be cooled prior to go back through the engine. This seemed like a great idea. I now had a place for steam to collect (the expansion tank) and I had increased the flow to the back of the head and block. Only problem was it worked too good. Even with a 180 degree thermostat, I could not get any heat into the engine it was running less than 120 degrees. The system simply bypassed the thermostat as all water was flowing from the back of the head through the tank and back to the radiator. I had bypassed my thermostat. I thought about playing with various restrictions in my return line but figured that the correct restriction would likely change based upon conditions. So I scrapped my idea and plumbed my return line directly to the heater return port. Works like a champ now. I mentioned that I use a Chevy style cross flow radiator. This design has several advantages to the top to bottom flow of our standard radiators. The problem with a top to bottom design is that the radiator is seeing block pressure on the top of the radiator which means your radiator cap is seeing full block pressure, or very close to it. I have not put a pressure gauge on my block but I have read that block pressure can reach 30 psi. For this reason, some TR racers are always pumping at least a little water past their caps on a top down style radiator. With cross flow, the radiator cap is kept on the suction (low pressure) side which allows a low rated cap, I use a 7 or 12 psi cap in the radiator, can't remember exactly. More on expansion tanks. Do a little research and you will find that most if not all modern cars run stem vent tubes from the cylinder heads or other high points to an expansion tank. A good example is the Gen III & IV small blocks. I also use a 1/4 npt drain valve on the top of the thermostat housing to vent all air out of my system when filling, this is very important. I use the expansion tank as the fill point and fill until the water leaks out through the open 1/4" valve. I prime the system a little by squeezing the house on the intake side of the water pump as I fill the system. Once all the air is out, I close the valve and fill the expansion tank to within 1/4" of the top. So far, one race weekend, I have had zero water pump past either of my caps with this installation. My dad is using this same setup but with a Wizard top to bottom radiator. He was getting a little water past the cap on the radiator cap and the expansion tank cap. He was using a 12 psi on the radiator and 18 on the expansion tank. He has replaced the caps for higher rated ones so we will see how it goes at ECR in May. Bob Kramer has been using this setup with a top down radiator for a few years. I think in a 15-20 min race he fills his expansion tank overflow bottle but he is using a lower rated cap I think it was 12psi. I have tried to convince him to switch to a higher pressure rating on the expansion tank, we shall see. Let me know if you want more information or pictures. Greg 04 TR3 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Wagner Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:27 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] cooling Amici I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of the engine. In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the radiator? Thank you Just the wrench John Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From Catpusher at aol.com Mon Mar 18 21:06:19 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Triumph Movie Message-ID: <37ca.4ad38b89.3e79302b@aol.com> Great movie! Unencumbered by the fear process? T2 at the real Laguna: flat out before stiffening the EP TR3 chassis with a cage. The Dip at the real Atlanta. During our first ARRC our posted radar speed was 142 MPH. I thought that most EP cars must be like mine in the dip until Lee Mueller came over after qualifying and told me that we had to talk, as he watched the dip from track side and I was trying to kill myself. He eventually mentioned bump steer, which I later measured as 1.7" on full droop. Every year the dip had my full attention and then some, even with the bump steer spot on. Ellie and I intently watched the great TR6 / 7 race. Oh, and in 83 when I was going up (in a state of shock) to receive the Donohue award, PLN was the first person to get up and shake my hand, and when I managed to say "Ah, retired TR6 racer" his smile became even larger. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 3/17/2013 11:02:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes From: John Hasty Ah to be young and fearless again! From clw2000 at msn.com Tue Mar 19 06:21:40 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:21:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Shocks and Springs - GT6 Message-ID: Enjoying the process of rebuilding my suspension. I need to make the call on springs and shocks shortly. Tough to do some of the measurements with the body off and no weight on the car, so a few questions I could use some help on: Front Springs: - obviously want to lower, and plan to use adjustable spring perches, but where to start in length. I'm assuming 7.0-8.0" - spring rate: conventional wisdom seems to be north of 500 lbs. If so, how far north? Front Shocks: - what max length are you using to control droop, min length before bump? - what mfg and models are you recommending? - better to go with spherical bearings at lower mounts? Rear Shocks: - I have replaced the Rotoflex system with one that would allow me to use the Mk1/Mk3 mounts instead of the wheel arch mounts. Any reason not to do so? Given that, what can you recommend? Yes, I'm ignoring the rear spring in this post. It's a whole-nother can of worms. But for the record, I'm looking at a 400lb rate de-arched by about 2.5" as my starting point. Thanks, Chuck Watson From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 09:24:20 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. Message-ID: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Does anyone know Clark Lincoln? Long time DSR Racer in SCCA. At 70 something he has built a GT6, using Kas Kastner's latest book on the Chuck Gee build as a guideline. I have invited him to the Kastner Cup (with treaded tires) and he is giving it strong consideration. For whatever reason, this seems to be the Year of The GT6 & SPITFIRE at the KCUP....if they all manage to make it. Something to be encouraged.....did I mention that the Barker's are planning to come with both the SCCA Champion Spitfire AND the winning KCUP HERALD. This time the right gas will be going into those engines. (A mix up in race fuel caused the premature failure of two engines at the last KCUP at ROAD ATLANTA) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 09:55:14 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:55:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hubs In-Reply-To: <51479553.7040804@charter.net> References: <51479553.7040804@charter.net> Message-ID: I've got a Churchill tool that I'd part with since none of my remaining TRs have stock rear hubs. I've been meaning to put it on ebay anyhow. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From gt6steve at aol.com Tue Mar 19 10:31:17 2013 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. In-Reply-To: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFF2D650EF457C-750-291CE@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Been talking a lot with Clark the last year or so. He's building a fantastic car from all I see.... -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot Sent: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:24 am Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. FOT: Does anyone know Clark Lincoln? Long time DSR Racer in SCCA. At 70 something e has built a GT6, using Kas Kastner's latest book on the Chuck Gee build as guideline. I have invited him to the Kastner Cup (with treaded tires) and he is giving it trong consideration. For whatever reason, this seems to be the Year of The GT6 & SPITFIRE at the CUP....if they all manage to make it. Something to be encouraged.....did I mention that the Barker's are planning to ome with both the SCCA Champion Spitfire AND the winning KCUP HERALD. This ime the right gas will be going into those engines. (A mix up in race fuel aused the premature failure of two engines at the last KCUP at ROAD TLANTA) Joe Alexander . R. E. 45 1st Street esup, Iowa 50648 19.464.4711 (cell) 197tr4 at cs.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 10:38:09 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates Message-ID: <8D41A8BA-D421-494A-8133-992927278197@comcast.net> Hello: I have a set of lifting plates which I used to lift the body off my TR4 a few years ago which were kindly made for me by an FOT member. These plates make the job much easier and should work with most TRs. I have sold my car and no longer need them so if anyone is interested I would be happy to ship them for the mailing cost. Gary From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 10:53:53 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. In-Reply-To: <8CFF2D650EF457C-750-291CE@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> <8CFF2D650EF457C-750-291CE@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFF2D978BB5A97-E2C-2BBBF@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> The pictures of his car are really outstanding. He mentioned that he designed and built a couple of his DSRs. Old guys rock!! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: gt6steve To: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 11:31 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. Been talking a lot with Clark the last year or so. He's building a fantastic car from all I see.... -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot Sent: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:24 am Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. FOT: Does anyone know Clark Lincoln? Long time DSR Racer in SCCA. At 70 something he has built a GT6, using Kas Kastner's latest book on the Chuck Gee build as a guideline. I have invited him to the Kastner Cup (with treaded tires) and he is giving it strong consideration. For whatever reason, this seems to be the Year of The GT6 & SPITFIRE at the KCUP....if they all manage to make it. Something to be encouraged.....did I mention that the Barker's are planning to come with both the SCCA Champion Spitfire AND the winning KCUP HERALD. This time the right gas will be going into those engines. (A mix up in race fuel caused the premature failure of two engines at the last KCUP at ROAD ATLANTA) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 11:50:10 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:50:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates Message-ID: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer was the first to respond so they will be on the way to him. Perhaps these plates can become an FOT Asset and circulated around to those who might need them? Ga From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Mar 19 12:10:50 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:10:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT loaner tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, great idea. I'm trying to think of what oddball things I might have. Well there is the torque plate I had made up for TR6/GT6. blocks It's heavy but shippable. I could add it to the available to loan out for the cost of shipping list if anybody wants to borrow it. Marty > From: vintage.racer at comcast.net > Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:50:10 -0700 > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer was the first to respond so they will be on the way to > him. Perhaps these plates can become an FOT Asset and circulated around to > those who might need them? > > Ga > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 12:33:54 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:33:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT loaner tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marty: Nice contribution. If there are other items FOT'ers want to add, perhaps someone could keep a list and handle the loan/return of these specialized items. Gary Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:10 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Hey, great idea. I'm trying to think of what oddball things I might have. Well there is the torque plate I had made up for TR6/GT6. blocks It's heavy but shippable. I could add it to the available to loan out for the cost of shipping list if anybody wants to borrow it. > > Marty > > > From: vintage.racer at comcast.net > > Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:50:10 -0700 > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates > > > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer was the first to respond so they will be on the way to > > him. Perhaps these plates can become an FOT Asset and circulated around to > > those who might need them? > > > > Ga > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 22:09:10 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:09:10 -1000 Subject: [Fot] cooling In-Reply-To: <000901ce243c$acf8d770$06ea8650$@rr.com> References: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000901ce243c$acf8d770$06ea8650$@rr.com> Message-ID: Not to get too fussy, but steam doesn't need a path to escape. It turns back liquid water as soon as the temperature drops a bit or pressure is increased, If you have a steam bubble forming on the wall of a wet sleeve as soon as it gets away from the wall it almost certainly collapses. If you're seeing steam in the tanks it's only because you've opened the cap and dropped the pressure low enough to cause boiling. Steam is water in it's gasous state. Trapped air is a different story. On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Greg & Alison Blake" wrote: > John, > > One of the short comings of the TR3 and TR4 cooling system design is the > inability of steam to escape the system. Once formed, it creates hot spots > and air has replaced water in the area steam has formed if you don't give it > a path to escape. The fact that the thermostat housing is typically the > high point of the system doesn't help. Another problem is lack of flow to > the back of the head and to piston #4. > > I started down a similar path as you suggest. I assumed that if I routed > hot return water back to the suction side of the water pump (return heater > port) I'd be recirculating hot water and this would be bad. So for my > system, I installed a expansion tank with a 22-25 psi cap on the firewall > routed the heater supply (port on back top PS of head) to the top side port > of the tank and routed the return line from the bottom of the tank to a > fitting I installed between the thermostat housing and the intake of the > radiator (I run a Chevy style cross flow radiator read more later). This > allowed the hot water from the back of the block and head to return directly > to the radiator and be cooled prior to go back through the engine. > > This seemed like a great idea. I now had a place for steam to collect (the > expansion tank) and I had increased the flow to the back of the head and > block. Only problem was it worked too good. Even with a 180 degree > thermostat, I could not get any heat into the engine it was running less > than 120 degrees. > > The system simply bypassed the thermostat as all water was flowing from the > back of the head through the tank and back to the radiator. I had bypassed > my thermostat. I thought about playing with various restrictions in my > return line but figured that the correct restriction would likely change > based upon conditions. > > So I scrapped my idea and plumbed my return line directly to the heater > return port. Works like a champ now. > > I mentioned that I use a Chevy style cross flow radiator. This design has > several advantages to the top to bottom flow of our standard radiators. The > problem with a top to bottom design is that the radiator is seeing block > pressure on the top of the radiator which means your radiator cap is seeing > full block pressure, or very close to it. I have not put a pressure gauge > on my block but I have read that block pressure can reach 30 psi. For this > reason, some TR racers are always pumping at least a little water past their > caps on a top down style radiator. With cross flow, the radiator cap is > kept on the suction (low pressure) side which allows a low rated cap, I use > a 7 or 12 psi cap in the radiator, can't remember exactly. > > More on expansion tanks. Do a little research and you will find that most > if not all modern cars run stem vent tubes from the cylinder heads or other > high points to an expansion tank. A good example is the Gen III & IV small > blocks. > > I also use a 1/4 npt drain valve on the top of the thermostat housing to > vent all air out of my system when filling, this is very important. I use > the expansion tank as the fill point and fill until the water leaks out > through the open 1/4" valve. I prime the system a little by squeezing the > house on the intake side of the water pump as I fill the system. Once all > the air is out, I close the valve and fill the expansion tank to within 1/4" > of the top. So far, one race weekend, I have had zero water pump past > either of my caps with this installation. > > My dad is using this same setup but with a Wizard top to bottom radiator. > He was getting a little water past the cap on the radiator cap and the > expansion tank cap. He was using a 12 psi on the radiator and 18 on the > expansion tank. He has replaced the caps for higher rated ones so we will > see how it goes at ECR in May. > > Bob Kramer has been using this setup with a top down radiator for a few > years. I think in a 15-20 min race he fills his expansion tank overflow > bottle but he is using a lower rated cap I think it was 12psi. I have tried > to convince him to switch to a higher pressure rating on the expansion tank, > we shall see. > > Let me know if you want more information or pictures. > > Greg > 04 TR3 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of John Wagner > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:27 PM > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] cooling > > Amici > > I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of > the engine. > In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater > return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, > wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the > radiator? > > > Thank you > Just the wrench > John Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 16:15:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheel Spacers...aluminum spacers now available Message-ID: <8CFF30670BAE3CB-E74-32DC7@webmail-d284.sysops.aol.com> FOT: With some help and encouragement from the FOT, we produced a few Spitfire wheels spacers....same as the TR3-6 spacers in thickness. .250 stackable. We did preproduction run of 20....then we will do a larger run. If you want/need any please inquire/respond to this e-mail. Thanks Shawn F, Joe S, for the help in doing this. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From kaskastner at gmail.com Tue Mar 19 16:24:40 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:24:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Question about books Message-ID: I have been working for almost a year on an updated version of the original *Triumph Preparation Manual*, which was written in 2002 and reprinted several times. The stock is about depleted and will not be reprinted. As it has been very popular with lots of information for builders of Triumph racers, my updated version has more and newer material, details, photos etc, but will still keep the pertinent information from the original book. The result is a book of about 280 full size pages. This new book will not be a printed book. It will be a download book or a purchased disc. Here is my problem, what do you the readers want? How do you folks want to see this new book? The download version will be less than $20 and the disc version will be less than $30. the disc version will include the complete new book, plus special video selections of my time with the GTP program at Nissan. Lots of views of the cars in action, interviews and the racing in 1988-1989-1990. For various technical reasons the download book will NOT have this added entertainment. We also have the possibility of both version becoming available. With all the new mediums in communication I would appreciate your opinions on what would be your choice. It would probably be best to give me your opinion direct to my new Email address, kaskastner at gmail.com. Thanking all in advance. *Never be beaten by equipment.* From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 17:16:38 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 TSD RALLY CAR What CAM would you use? Message-ID: <8CFF30EF12597E5-E74-334E4@webmail-d284.sysops.aol.com> Engine builder is asking about customer's engine......he has rebuilt several TR engines but never a modified one. Mainly he deals in ITALIAN stuff. 89 mm pistons Premium Gas requirement 10.2 compression is likely. What cam would anyone recommend for running at 4,000-5,000 RPM on 800-1000 mile rallyes. The customer runs about 4-5 every year. Money no serious consideration. Thanks in advance, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 17:47:29 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] anyone have an ORIGINAL KASTNER "D" CAM on the shelf? Message-ID: <8CFF3134072D915-E74-3381C@webmail-d284.sysops.aol.com> thanks Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 13:30:04 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <1363721404.22306.androidMobile@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I run a very similar set up. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Mar 20 08:23:21 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Thanks! CAM SELECTION RESPONSES Message-ID: <8CFF38D9BEA99DD-203C-31EBA@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Thanks to everyone who responded on the quest for a cam for rally purposes. I had forgotten about the very comprehensive study of TRIUMPH CAMS that FOT LARRY YOUNG did and posted on his TILDEN TECHNOLOGIES website. What a great spreadsheet on all of the cams available for all levels of performance. Worth a trip into the TRIUMPH CAM DESIGN link even if you are not currently looking. A ton of information and easy to read. WHADDA GROUP! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 20 08:27:13 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:27:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <44BF06CC-E28C-452C-8863-CF03AF7617DF@sbcglobal.net> A M I C I I'd like to nominate Steve Myers to our humble group. He is a good guy and will be racing a TR4 this season here in the midwest. I do believe that Steve will benefit from and add value to the FOT. Second? From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 20 08:33:40 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> In a message dated 03/20/2013 8:26:49 AM Central Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I'd like to nominate Steve Myers > to our humble group. He is a good guy and will be racing a TR4 this > season > here in the midwest. I do believe that Steve will benefit from and add > value > to the FOT. > Second? > Second! Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Mar 20 10:21:49 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:21:49 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - 2013 In-Reply-To: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> References: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> Message-ID: <000801ce2587$0c6f3370$254d9a50$@com> Hi Guys, I will attend at the next Kastner Cup event. I checked many ways to bring my car but nothing which fits my budget to get a single car to USA an back in short gap of time. Question: Maybe there is a race car available for me? Cheers Chris From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 20 12:36:06 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:36:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - 2013 In-Reply-To: <000801ce2587$0c6f3370$254d9a50$@com> References: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> <000801ce2587$0c6f3370$254d9a50$@com> Message-ID: Chris: I might be able to round up a FIAT 124 spider that won the 2000 F-Production SCCA National Championship. Let me know if you want me to ask John if it is available and what the cost might be..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:22 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - 2013 Hi Guys, I will attend at the next Kastner Cup event. I checked many ways to bring my car but nothing which fits my budget to get a single car to USA an back in short gap of time. Question: Maybe there is a race car available for me? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Mar 20 14:30:04 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:30:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire Message-ID: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> List, I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - 0.75 inch offset. So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels on their website so I'm not sure about availability. Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From apackard68 at att.net Wed Mar 20 15:01:08 2013 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1363813268.21454.YahooMailRC@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Spit bits now carries the 4 spoke AR wheels. They may be able to help. Roger Krauss Racing in Castro Valley, CA also has connections with many suppliers and could be worth talking to, especially for racing applications. Andy To: Friends of triumph Sent: Wed, March 20, 2013 1:32:46 PM Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire List, I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - 0.75 inch offset. So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels on their website so I'm not sure about availability. Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68 at att.net From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Mar 20 15:14:31 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:14:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bud - I know the owner of Acme Speed Shop. His name is Hap Waldrup and is a MG racer. He can get 13x6 for a Spit 3.75" PCD in a couple of different backspace options and a couple of styles and colors. His shop is kind of "part time" so don't give up on contacting him. Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: levilevi at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:30:04 -0600 > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > List, > > I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire > (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - > 0.75 inch offset. > > So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution > in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. > > Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the > Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but > they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels > on their website so I'm not sure about availability. > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Mar 20 17:38:03 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:38:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? Message-ID: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 20 17:50:34 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:50:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? Message-ID: <595844.65408.bm@smtp206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Moroso 46160 -----Original Message----- From: "J.C. Hassall" Sent: b3/b20/b2013 6:38 PM To: "fot" Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From tr6nut at verizon.net Wed Mar 20 17:52:20 2013 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? In-Reply-To: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> References: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <514A4BB4.4040902@verizon.net> Jim, I'm using ARP P/N 100-7708 "12mm x 1.50 Late Model GM/Corvette". These will press into TR6 hubs without re-drilling the holes and are 3" long. They are metric so you have to use the appropriate metric lugnuts. Hugh Barber Stafford, VA On 3/20/2013 7:38 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? > Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've > measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need > longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the > hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? > > tnx > > jim From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 20 18:09:20 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:09:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? In-Reply-To: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> References: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: We found the knurl to be different on the Southwick axles than the stock front TR3. Summit had long studs with the correct knurls for each in 7/16 size. They were Morso studs. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 20, 2013, at 7:38 PM, "J.C. Hassall" wrote: > Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? > > tnx > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Mar 20 21:20:11 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:20:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: About two years ago when I needed wheels for my HP Spitfire I got some Panasports through Spruell Motorsports (www.spruellmotorsport.com -- 800-552-2532). Don't worry that their website at the moment doesn't show any 13" wheels under Triumph. Call 'em up, tell 'em what you need. They'll order direct from Panasport. I was in a big hurry, so they put me in contact with the Panasport guy and I ordered them direct from him, but he only sells through dealers so I did the sale through Spruell. In my case -- because I was in a rush -- the Panasport guy had wheels on the shelf with 4" backspace, so I bought them and he drilled them for the Spitfire bolt circle and my stud size. Then I had a local machine shop make me spacers. And they use regular lugnuts. If you have the time, you can get them with the right backspacing and setup. Spruell and Panasport both worked to take care of me with the speed I needed at the time. It was much appreciated. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud R" To: "Friends of triumph" Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > List, > > I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire > (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - > 0.75 inch offset. > > So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution > in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. > > Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the > Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but > they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels > on their website so I'm not sure about availability. > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Thu Mar 21 09:49:27 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:49:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR reminder Message-ID: There's still plenty of time to get make your plans for the upcoming weekend at VIR (April 12-14) . Already there are 13 Triumphs registered and include many of the biggest names in Triumph vintage racing, such as Tony, Henry, Bob, Mark, Charles, Jesse, David, Tim, Rob, Leo and others. If you're coming, please make sure to join us at the Triumph Ghetto on Friday evening for our cookout. All Triumph drivers, crews and hangers-on are most welcome. For event information and to register go to the VDCA website at www.vintagedrive.com. This is always a tremendous event with huge amounts of track time at one of the world's best racing venues. From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 12:50:44 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:50:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] cooling In-Reply-To: <1363721404.22306.androidMobile@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363721404.22306.androidMobile@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9E469EA7-E53B-429C-9751-A3CBA58BF502@yahoo.com> I am going to run this setup and add an elevated fill tank (see black tank in the pic) off of a TVR. Ty [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image.jpeg] Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Mar 19, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > I run a very similar set up. > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Mar 21 05:55:10 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:55:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: <808948ed84f2df903119bafd4dabc905.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Many years ago, when I bought Panasports for my GT-6, I bought them from Spruell Motorsports and I can attest to their good customer service. John On Wed, March 20, 2013 11:20 pm, Rocky Entriken wrote: > About two years ago when I needed wheels for my HP Spitfire I got some > Panasports through Spruell Motorsports (www.spruellmotorsport.com -- > 800-552-2532). > > Don't worry that their website at the moment doesn't show any 13" wheels > under Triumph. Call 'em up, tell 'em what you need. They'll order direct > from Panasport. I was in a big hurry, so they put me in contact with the > Panasport guy and I ordered them direct from him, but he only sells > through > dealers so I did the sale through Spruell. > > In my case -- because I was in a rush -- the Panasport guy had wheels on > the > shelf with 4" backspace, so I bought them and he drilled them for the > Spitfire bolt circle and my stud size. Then I had a local machine shop > make > me spacers. And they use regular lugnuts. > > If you have the time, you can get them with the right backspacing and > setup. > Spruell and Panasport both worked to take care of me with the speed I > needed > at the time. It was much appreciated. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud R" > To: "Friends of triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:30 PM > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > >> List, >> >> I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire >> (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - >> 0.75 inch offset. >> >> So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution >> in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. >> >> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but >> they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels >> on their website so I'm not sure about availability. >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) >> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle >> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Mar 21 14:13:15 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Great Video Message-ID: <1725973362.848359.1363896795954.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> It's not a Triumph but it is a British Car in this great video from 1956. Mike Hawthorn in a D-type takes a lap of LeMans while providing real-time narration. Check out the pedestrian traffic! Excellent video quality so go full screen with sound. http://vimeo.com/59410466#at=0 Gary From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Mar 21 16:19:43 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:19:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> I am surprised nobody commented on Bud's mention of VTO wheels. I was under the impression these were not really suitable for race use. Has opinion on these wheels changed? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud R" Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the > Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 21 19:41:54 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:41:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: I've been racing on VTO provided Superlite 8 spokes for 8 years , no problems. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:19 PM, wrote: > I am surprised nobody commented on Bud's mention of VTO wheels. I was under > the impression these were not really suitable for race use. Has opinion on > these wheels changed? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud R" > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > >> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 21 20:16:41 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:16:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Handmade References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> Not TR, but interesting Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Bob Perkins > Date: March 21, 2013, 7:48:45 PM EDT > To: Ed Youngblood , John Hasty > Subject: Fwd: Handmade > > I think you have seen this one before, but here again....enjoy.... > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Handmade > Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:39:35 -0500 > From: stanley baldwin > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > > Slowly scroll your way through the images, what do you think they're building? > 1 > > 2 > > 3 > > 4 > > 5 > > 6 > > 7 > > 8 > > 9 > > 10 > > 11 > > 12 > > 13 > > 14 > > 15 > > 16 > > 17 > > 18 > > 19 > > 20 > > 21 > > 22 > > 23 > > There are craftsmen...and there are Craftsmen !! > > The Morgan Motor Company located in Britain doesn't change in a changing world.C Not only is it still independent, but it also makes each car by hand. A base model is > about $44,000, with some cars costing up to $300,000. > > People wait for over a year to get their exclusive hand-built cars with the shell made out of metal and much of the vehicle made out of wood. Working on the wood interior, > workers use metal shears to individually shape a hood because each car has to be different. > > Every year Morgan produces about 600 cars. The company celebrated its 100th anniversary in 2011. It has a long and interesting history, and is still run by the same > family: the MorganC"s. Founded by Henry Frederick Stanley Morgan known as "HFS", it was then run by his son Peter, and is now run by Charles, the son of Peter Morgan. > > > C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 21 21:12:27 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:12:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Handmade In-Reply-To: <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. The forums [ link below ] do allow attachments. There isn't an FOT specific forum. Sometimes I do think that it may be useful to drop the mailing list and set up a forum on fot-racing.com. You could post pics on the Triumph forum, email the list a link to it. mjb. From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Mar 22 04:53:59 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:53:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1C002187C3DD4943B324125CA104E6BF@TRIUMPH.local> Bob, I was under the impression that VTO imported the Superlite line, they have been around for years and I know a couple of racers on them. As I understand it, they were priced about the same as the usual suspects, and are a good wheel. I didn't think that wheel was stiill available. Do your wheels have "VTO" cast into the rim? The Superlites I am thinking of do not. I seem to remember VTO launched it's current line of wheels a couple years back, and they were at that time offered at a price point significantly better than the usual suspects. These wheels are easily identified by the letters "VTO" cast into the rim. I saw a couple cars at car shows on these new wheels, and to me, the wheel did not look all that substantial. I thought I remembered a conversation about these wheels here on the FOT list, but an archive search turned up nothing. I just did a Google search, and it appears the MG racers are using them in hoards, with no apparent calamities. Not sure it any of the fast MG guys are running them, though. Anyway, it appears I stand corrected... YMMV Henry - a believer that you get what you pay for ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" Subject: Re: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire I've been racing on VTO provided Superlite 8 spokes for 8 years , no problems. From tjwakeman at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 07:08:36 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:08:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> On 3/21/13 8:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. I belong to 2 different email lists on google groups and they both allow attachments such as pictures. so we share jpegs whenever appropriate. Maybe it is time to retire the server and move over to google groups? It would give you more time to work on the Spit. Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a forum and try to find different current threads. TeriAnn From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 08:14:21 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <1363961661.43705.YahooMailNeo@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have been away for awhile but would like thank everyone for the feedback on cooling plumbing. Just the wrench John Wagner From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 21 15:05:37 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:05:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <808948ed84f2df903119bafd4dabc905.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> <808948ed84f2df903119bafd4dabc905.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: Same experience for me as well Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 7:55 AM, "R. John Lye" wrote: > Many years ago, when I bought Panasports for my GT-6, I > bought them from Spruell Motorsports and I can attest to > their good customer service. > > John > > On Wed, March 20, 2013 11:20 pm, Rocky Entriken wrote: >> About two years ago when I needed wheels for my HP Spitfire I got some >> Panasports through Spruell Motorsports (www.spruellmotorsport.com -- >> 800-552-2532). >> >> Don't worry that their website at the moment doesn't show any 13" wheels >> under Triumph. Call 'em up, tell 'em what you need. They'll order direct >> from Panasport. I was in a big hurry, so they put me in contact with the >> Panasport guy and I ordered them direct from him, but he only sells >> through >> dealers so I did the sale through Spruell. >> >> In my case -- because I was in a rush -- the Panasport guy had wheels on >> the >> shelf with 4" backspace, so I bought them and he drilled them for the >> Spitfire bolt circle and my stud size. Then I had a local machine shop >> make >> me spacers. And they use regular lugnuts. >> >> If you have the time, you can get them with the right backspacing and >> setup. >> Spruell and Panasport both worked to take care of me with the speed I >> needed >> at the time. It was much appreciated. >> >> --Rocky Entriken >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bud R" >> To: "Friends of triumph" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:30 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire >> >> >>> List, >>> >>> I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire >>> (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - >>> 0.75 inch offset. >>> >>> So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution >>> in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. >>> >>> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >>> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but >>> they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels >>> on their website so I'm not sure about availability. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Bud Rolofson >>> >>> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) >>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >>> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle >>> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 21 20:08:38 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:08:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire Message-ID: <398350.46132.bm@smtp106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Ditto! -----Original Message----- From: "Bob Kramer" Sent: b3/b21/b2013 8:43 PM To: "" Cc: "Friends of triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire I've been racing on VTO provided Superlite 8 spokes for 8 years , no problems. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:19 PM, wrote: > I am surprised nobody commented on Bud's mention of VTO wheels. I was under > the impression these were not really suitable for race use. Has opinion on > these wheels changed? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud R" > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > >> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 11:58:09 2013 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:58:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video Message-ID: <23204261.1363975089502.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Here are some highlights from my in-car TR3 video last weekend battling Porsche 914's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSp5winf3fY&feature=share ~Steve From sjanzen at me.com Fri Mar 22 12:23:17 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:23:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs References: <8A418BB1-4E46-4F5E-B137-94F84BEF1207@me.com> Message-ID: so, watched Steve's video and another one caught my eye - 1989 runoffs with Jack Wheeler in a TR4 battling it out for 3rd place (ended up in fourth). Some really nice footage and great racing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Naa17-HtsQ&feature=endscreen From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri Mar 22 14:29:28 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:29:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Forum style for me. Edward Dunn 1971 GT6 #757 1964 Soitfire #22 West coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D-101 Encinitas, CA 92024 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] mail lists On 3/21/13 8:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. I belong to 2 different email lists on google groups and they both allow attachments such as pictures. so we share jpegs whenever appropriate. Maybe it is time to retire the server and move over to google groups? It would give you more time to work on the Spit. Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a forum and try to find different current threads. TeriAnn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 22 15:07:46 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:07:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: For those of us who are IT challenged, the site is just fine. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Forum style for me. > > Edward Dunn > 1971 GT6 #757 > 1964 Soitfire #22 > > West coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D-101 > Encinitas, CA 92024 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:09 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] mail lists > > On 3/21/13 8:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. > I belong to 2 different email lists on google groups and they both allow > attachments such as pictures. so we share jpegs whenever appropriate. > Maybe it is time to retire the server and move over to google groups? > It would give you more time to work on the Spit. > > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a forum > and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Mar 22 16:28:31 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists Message-ID: <514CDB0F.9080704@blacksburg.net> On 3/22/2013 9:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a > forum and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > I agree, I'd much rather have our current setup. That's why I click the Donate link from time to time. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 22 16:57:15 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:57:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514CDB0F.9080704@blacksburg.net> References: <514CDB0F.9080704@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <007c01ce2750$994efa80$cbecef80$@net> I like the current setup too Racer Bud -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:29 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists On 3/22/2013 9:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to > a forum and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > I agree, I'd much rather have our current setup. That's why I click the Donate link from time to time. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 22 18:18:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs...now KASTNER CUP 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <8A418BB1-4E46-4F5E-B137-94F84BEF1207@me.com> Message-ID: <8CFF573200D2C43-1B38-525B8@webmail-d289.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Scott, I think I see Hardy in there, too. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Wheeler is planning to drive in and join us at ROAD AMERICA for the KASTNER CUP, once again. Hardy Prentice has been invited. We would really like to see him. Jerry Barker will be with us, of course, as well as Sam Halkias. Running FIVE TRIUMPHS between the two of them. A plethora of TRIUMPH NATIONAL CHAMPS. Am I missing anyone? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Fri, Mar 22, 2013 1:23 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs so, watched Steve's video and another one caught my eye - 1989 runoffs with Jack Wheeler in a TR4 battling it out for 3rd place (ended up in fourth). Some really nice footage and great racing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Naa17-HtsQ&feature=endscreen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 22 17:35:11 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:35:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] mail lists Message-ID: <832979.78125.bm@smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yes! - let's hear it for old school. -----Original Message----- From: "RACER BUD" Sent: b3/b22/b2013 6:00 PM To: "'J.C. Hassall'" ; "'fot'" Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists I like the current setup too Racer Bud -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:29 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists On 3/22/2013 9:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to > a forum and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > I agree, I'd much rather have our current setup. That's why I click the Donate link from time to time. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Mar 23 05:53:37 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:53:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Even for those of us who are not IT challenged, the mail list format is preferred! I would probably adapt to checking in on a forum occasionally, but pushing the content into my email means I will look at it when checking my email. Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into making this all work for us. We all owe this guy, please click the donate button from time to time... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists > For those of us who are IT challenged, the site is just fine. From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Sat Mar 23 08:02:28 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:02:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs In-Reply-To: References: <8A418BB1-4E46-4F5E-B137-94F84BEF1207@me.com> Message-ID: <4CBB872F-E73D-4664-A47B-2717E9553559@yahoo.com> Those were the good days Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > so, watched Steve's video and another one caught my eye - 1989 runoffs with > Jack Wheeler in a TR4 battling it out for 3rd place (ended up in fourth). > Some really nice footage and great racing! > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Naa17-HtsQ&feature=endscreen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From spitfiresuz at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 08:24:07 2013 From: spitfiresuz at gmail.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:24:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] '66 TR4 in eBay Stories Today Message-ID: <514DBB07.7050409@gmail.com> http://ebay-stories.com/a-66-classic-car-your-ultimate-triumph Pretty cool! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- ** Oh, I would just KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize! ** From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 08:37:19 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:37:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <514DBE1F.3020308@gmail.com> On 3/23/13 4:53 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into making this > all work for us. We all owe this guy, That's why I was thinking the mail lists that Mark manages should switch over to being google groups email lists. Having a mail list that Mark didn't need to devote a lot of time and money to just to keep the server and lists going would free him up to do other things. And it would give us the advantage of being able to add pictures to our list emails. TeriAnn From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 23 08:37:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] '66 TR4 in eBay Stories Today In-Reply-To: <514DBB07.7050409@gmail.com> References: <514DBB07.7050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CFF5EB20D35E58-7C0-4F7E2@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Of course this TR4A is in AMES, IOWA and is owned by our newly minted FOT member. Son Mark called and said there are those in the AIR FORCE community that remember this car very well. This TR4A is identical to the first TR4A this family owned. We'd like to have it, but enuff is enuf. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Susan Kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, Mar 23, 2013 9:25 am Subject: [Fot] '66 TR4 in eBay Stories Today http://ebay-stories.com/a-66-classic-car-your-ultimate-triumph Pretty cool! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- ** Oh, I would just KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize! ** _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Mar 23 10:22:27 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:22:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non triumph non car but... Message-ID: <1DFE25F3-9512-4719-8097-4B096A9F1202@aol.com> I have a vintage late 70's soda machine that needs a good home. Needs a few light bulbs. Needs help cooling but I am working on it. Dispenses cans. Holds 50 plus cans. Google vendo v348 soda machine. I have it listed on feebay and a few other places. I have pictures. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 23 15:26:14 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:26:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <514E1DF6.3050406@bradakis.com> yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Even for those of us who are not IT challenged, the mail list format is > preferred! I would probably adapt to checking in on a forum occasionally, > but pushing the content into my email means I will look at it when checking > my email. > > Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into making this > all work for us. We all owe this guy, please click the donate button from > time to time... > Thanks for the plug, Henry. I'm several months behind in getting out thank yous to some folks. If folks want to be able to send pictures through this list I can set that up. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 23 16:40:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:40:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another note Message-ID: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Something I changed a while back some of you may have noticed. There was a period when a bunch of yahoo and aol email accounts were getting hijacked and send out spam messages to the list. Usually these types of messages would go out to all the addresses in the victim's address book. What I did was to set the maximum number of recipients to a low number, 3. So if you reply to a list message and there are more than three people listed in the to and cc lines, the message gets held for review. That is one reason you may get an error response from the server, and then have to wait a day or so for me to go through and approve legitimate messages. mjb. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Mar 23 16:55:36 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:55:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another note In-Reply-To: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> References: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Thank you for that information. I like the email list. I don't need anymore forums or groups to go to. Chris On Mar 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Something I changed a while back some of you may have noticed. > There was a period when a bunch of yahoo and aol email accounts > were getting hijacked and send out spam messages to the list. > Usually these types of messages would go out to all the addresses > in the victim's address book. What I did was to set the maximum > number of recipients to a low number, 3. So if you reply to a list > message and there are more than three people listed in the to and > cc lines, the message gets held for review. That is one reason you > may get an error response from the server, and then have to wait a day > or so for me to go through and approve legitimate messages. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Mar 23 17:04:02 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:04:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another note In-Reply-To: References: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <514E34E2.6010708@charter.net> I prefer the email list and I get frustrated by some of these forums. Keep it simple Mark Glenn On 3/23/2013 6:55 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Thank you for that information. > > I like the email list. I don't need anymore forums or groups to go to. > > Chris > > On Mar 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > >> Something I changed a while back some of you may have noticed. >> There was a period when a bunch of yahoo and aol email accounts >> were getting hijacked and send out spam messages to the list. >> Usually these types of messages would go out to all the addresses >> in the victim's address book. What I did was to set the maximum >> number of recipients to a low number, 3. So if you reply to a list >> message and there are more than three people listed in the to and >> cc lines, the message gets held for review. That is one reason you >> may get an error response from the server, and then have to wait a day >> or so for me to go through and approve legitimate messages. >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 17:32:09 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:32:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Another note In-Reply-To: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> References: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0B97F2D5-B9EC-4555-A749-82ED5117E1A9@bnj.com> I belong to a number of forums, and they take a lot more of my time and attention than the FOT mail. There's a zillion ways to send photos or movies--the list accepts links. It's easy to upload a wad of photos to any of the photo or video services and provide a link. Like so: http://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Canyonbot.jpg From jaboruch at netzero.com Sat Mar 23 18:16:19 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 00:16:19 GMT Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating Message-ID: <20130323.201619.31731.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> I have been debating the merits of coating a steel shim head gasket with a Fluoroelastomer (Viton) coating. Cometic gaskets are Viton coated. There are Fluoroelastomer coatings available in aerosol cans. Have any of you tried anything like this? Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! From mmoore at wave1.net Sun Mar 24 05:45:27 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:45:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514E1DF6.3050406@bradakis.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <514E1DF6.3050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000801ce2885$144f3620$3ceda260$@net> As a new member I did not realize what donate link was at bottom, would be good idea to remind members every now and then to donate, god knows I wouldn't have the time to do what Mark does and I really appreciate it. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:26 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Even for those of us who are not IT challenged, the mail list format > is preferred! I would probably adapt to checking in on a forum > occasionally, but pushing the content into my email means I will look > at it when checking my email. > > Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into > making this all work for us. We all owe this guy, please click the > donate button from time to time... > Thanks for the plug, Henry. I'm several months behind in getting out thank yous to some folks. If folks want to be able to send pictures through this list I can set that up. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 06:22:32 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:22:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 Event Shirts Message-ID: Ok boys and girls the 2013 version of the Kastner Cup shirts is now ready to order. If you go to the FOT website http://fot-racing.com/feature/2013roadam/shirt.htm you can gaze upon Steve Belfers artistry. The shirts will have the artwork as seen on the web site on the front and we will once again have the competitors names and car info on the backs of the shirts. Ted Schumacher will be taking on the duties of getting the shirts printed. The procedure will be the same as last years orders. You will need to send me an email to trmarty at hotmail.com with the number of shirts you want and sizes. Be sure to include your ship to address and contact phone number even if you intend to pick them up at the event. You can either have Ted mail you the shirts or pick them up at the Road America event. I will start taking orders now and stop taking them on July 15th. After I compile the order a few days after the July 15 cutoff date I will send emails out to the email addresses you sent me when you ordered the shirt advising you that it is time to contact Ted and make your arrangements to pay Ted directly. The prices for the shirts will be as follows, S-XL $15.00, for XXL add $2.80, for XXL, add $3.00. These prices will be plus mailing cost if you have Ted mail them. That my preferred method :). From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 06:44:31 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:44:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need Names for the Kastner Cup Shirts Message-ID: As you have read in my previous email we are once again including the the Kastner Cup competitors names and car info on the back of the shirts. If you are planning on competing in this years Kastner Cup at Road America please send me an email to trmarty at hotmail.com with KC Shirt Names in the subject line with your first and last name, your car model and your car number. If you know of any Triumph folks that are planning on competing but do not do the list stuff please forward this info to them so their info can be included on the shirts as well. From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 07:11:37 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Shirt order update Message-ID: When you send me the shirt order please include if you will be picking them up at the track or getting them mailed to you. Also, the $3.00 up charge was for XXXL shirts. I left off an X. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 24 08:40:02 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:40:02 +0100 Subject: [Fot] US cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301ce289d$79d43550$6d7c9ff0$@com> I was looking for an US tow car and bought a H3. I was not sure about the offroad capabilities but now - after a mud bath - I'm deeply impressed. Great US car - chapeau! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p4zAcY53pQ Cheers Chris From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 24 12:06:51 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:06:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] US cars Message-ID: <18171.1364148411@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Sorry you got one of those. You could of had the real deal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps [1] Charly On Sun 24/03/13 7:40 AM , "MadMarx" tr4racing at googlemail.com sent: I was looking for an US tow car and bought a H3. I was not sure about the offroad capabilities but now - after a mud bath - I'm deeply impressed. Great US car - chapeau! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p4zAcY53pQ [2] Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [4] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [5] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [6] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [7] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [8] Links: ------ [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.co m%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3p4zAcY53pQ [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [8] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 24 12:16:10 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:16:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] US cars In-Reply-To: <18171.1364148411@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <18171.1364148411@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <000301ce28bb$ac2340f0$0469c2d0$@com> Ahb&.hmmmmb&..too many women sitting in those. Chris Von: Charly [mailto:charly at mitchelplumbing.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. MC$rz 2013 19:07 An: 'FOT'; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] US cars Sorry you got one of those. You could of had the real deal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps Charly On Sun 24/03/13 7:40 AM , "MadMarx" tr4racing at googlemail.com sent: I was looking for an US tow car and bought a H3. I was not sure about the offroad capabilities but now - after a mud bath - I'm deeply impressed. Great US car - chapeau! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p4zAcY53pQ Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 24 12:34:11 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] US cars Message-ID: <5b829.1bd185e.3e80a123@aol.com> Yeah, that's always been my complaint. Too many women jumping into my Range Rover..... In a message dated 3/24/2013 11:22:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 24 12:35:47 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:35:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] US cars In-Reply-To: <5b829.1bd185e.3e80a123@aol.com> References: <5b829.1bd185e.3e80a123@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01ce28be$69b06bf0$3d1143d0$@com> Well  The bad thing with a Range Rover is, that the young ladies jumping on the drivers seat. The good thing with Hummer is that the young ladies taking place on all other seats J Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Mdrz 2013 19:34 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; charly at mitchelplumbing.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] US cars Yeah, that's always been my complaint. Too many women jumping into my Range Rover..... In a message dated 3/24/2013 11:22:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 24 15:22:56 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Message-ID: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Mar 24 15:46:56 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:46:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: That is a terrific book! The author has a actually raced cars. He was spot on with so many facts. Highly recommend! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Mar 24 16:16:29 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:16:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill, I have it sitting on my desk, but yet to start it. I'm a bit leery of the ending. I do love dogs. Terry Stetler From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 16:32:07 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:32:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: Just a fun great book. Read a few months ago, you will enjoy it. I inderstand the author is a racer in Northern California as he describes the track at Thunder Hill. fun and funny. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > That is a terrific book! The author has a actually raced cars. He was > spot on with so many facts. Highly recommend! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Amici... > > > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent > reference to > > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something > about > > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be > told > > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is > self-educated > > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and > racing...for that > > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 17:53:03 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:53:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <19C10687-C56F-419A-A5A0-7D7E358AD96D@bnj.com> Good book, a Seattle guy, as if that wasn't obvious. On Mar 24, 2013, at 11:22 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From tr6nut at verizon.net Sun Mar 24 18:28:29 2013 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:28:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <514F9A2D.7050802@verizon.net> I read it last year. A very good read. Hugh Barber On 3/24/2013 5:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6nut at verizon.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 19:44:04 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] K Cup shirt questions Message-ID: Please re-read below from the original post so I wont have to answer this individually as I am getting allot of questions and it's only Sunday night. :) Thanks, Marty Be sure to include your ship to address and contact phone number even if you intend to pick them up at the event. You can either have Ted mail you the shirts or pick them up at the Road America event. I will start taking orders now and stop taking them on July 15th. After I compile the order a few days after the July 15 cutoff date I will send emails out to the email addresses you sent me when you ordered the shirt advising you that it is time to contact Ted and make your arrangements to pay From mlcooknj at msn.com Sun Mar 24 20:12:12 2013 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:12:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: I have read it through twice and will probably do it again in future. It's a rare book about car people that can be appreciated by non-car folks as well. Mike Cook > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:22:56 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... > > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 24 23:32:28 2013 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:32:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: Truly wonderful book. Setting is not only Seattle but also my childhood stomping grounds on Mercer Island. Pretty sure I know the house the "evil grandparents" lived in. Supposed to be coming out in a movie. Barley would have been a shoe-in. We actually almost got him a audition. Of course, Barley had enough "racer balance" that he didn't need to be belted in with a sheet but we tried that once too and he didn't seem to mind. Great book but keep the tissues close by. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque New Mexico... and gunnin' for Road America On Mar 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The > Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent > reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which > keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows > something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story > to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is > told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is > self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could > probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and > racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 06:17:18 2013 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Very good book. I have loaned my copy to many others who have enjoyed the book as well. ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 24 15:35:35 2013 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steve Benford Jr.) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:35:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Message-ID: <6ba2ydb1utf3hwq0vcruj65b.1364160935079@email.android.com> Great read. I know the story sounds corny but it really is a wonderful story. NOT a Burt book, but written by a real racer. It will touch your soul but you will have to read it to understand why. BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Amici... > >Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of >Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to >it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps >coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about >racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told >about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told >the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated >via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably >save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that >matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net From riverside at southslope.net Mon Mar 25 11:01:35 2013 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My wife bought it for me a couple years ago thinking it was just a car book. What a great surprise to find a dog book between the covers! The perfect book: a knowledgeable picture of racing and great yarn told by a smart dog. I have loaned it out several times. To those not yet to the end: You're gonna love it! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:17 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Very good book. I have loaned my copy to many others who have enjoyed the book as well. ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 12:31:00 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had the good fortune to hear Garth speak at our small, local Alfa club meeting last month and to speak with him afterwards. He did indeed race Spec Miata in our Pacific NW Internation Conference of Sports Car Clubs. I saw the hood at a local shop wwith his signature. It was somewhat crumpled! Don Kitch, who is mentioned in the book is a real person and he does run ProformanceRace Drving School at Pacific Raceways. Garth told lots of stories about events that the book has triggered in his life. Two great ones were about the relationship that developed with Ferrari following the bookd sucess: Getting a 450 and a photographer for a day in LA and, in Modena getting a one on one factory tour that very unexpectedly included a tour of the design shop [visitors are never allowed there!] directed by Luca Cordero di Montezemolo [chairman of Ferrari] himself. He is a very friendly and approachable guy. For all you budding authors, note that his agent at the time could not get the book published as "Who would read a book written from a dog's perspective?". Big mistake, book is now in 30 languages and over 10 million copies sold. Chuck From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 13:07:31 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:07:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, and also. the name for the book came from a two page write up Don Kitch gives to all his SCCA class students -- very necessary info for the NW. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Mon, 25 Mar 2013, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > > He is a very friendly and approachable guy. For all you budding authors, >> note that his agent at the time could not get the book published as "Who >> would read a book written from a dog's perspective?". Big mistake, book >> is >> now in 30 languages and over 10 million copies sold. >> > > LIKE!!!! > > I'm not a budding author, but I always root for the little guy! > > Chuck >> > > Hope all is well in the PAC NW > > l8r, > rml > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- From peter at nosimport.com Mon Mar 25 13:44:17 2013 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:44:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Message-ID: <20130325194409.C6A66F441C9@mx2.netinteraction.com> >. NOT a Burt book, but written by a real racer. now THAT'S funny....... It IS a great book, btw. Peter C From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Mar 25 13:49:37 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <5150AA51.9050408@pobox.com> For those of you who are lazy (like me) it is also available in audible form. Would be a good book to listen to while on a long tow to a race. I immediately thought of Barley and Lunker when I heard it, since he has the dog and the Seattle background. Larry From apackard68 at att.net Mon Mar 25 13:56:14 2013 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andy Packard) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:56:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <20130325194409.C6A66F441C9@mx2.netinteraction.com> References: <20130325194409.C6A66F441C9@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: <63C8061E-24DB-41FD-8499-859312236DF9@att.net> Just bought it on iBooks for 2.99. Good read for the train. Andy Packard Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: >> . NOT a Burt book, but written by a real racer. > > > now THAT'S funny....... > > > > It IS a great book, btw. > > > Peter C > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68 at att.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 11:44:49 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:44:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Message-ID: Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 12:22:52 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:22:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Vince Garrett 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk #144 Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) Registered with CASC Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following all you experts around the course :) Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. Looking forward! Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > subtractions. > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Tue Mar 26 12:30:48 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:30:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD2EB@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Ed Dunn 1964 Spitfire #22 or maybe; 1971 GT6 #757 Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:45 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 12:51:56 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:51:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <8CFF86793C0FF9F-26AC-10036@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFF86793C0FF9F-26AC-10036@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: LOL. maybe I'll miss Canada corner on the last lap so I might get home quicker AND with a big smile on my face :) Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 2:33 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > Vince, > > We are going to have a big six cylinder showing. > > Equipment and Drivers are all over the map in preparation and speed. > You will have someone to race with and plenty of support in the paddock. > > We are pleased we are going to have great representation from Canada. > > Remember, if you miss CANADA CORNER, you may end up back in Canada. > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 1:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > > > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for > > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in > > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before > > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > > subtractions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty Sukey > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Mar 26 13:00:12 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the drivers seat... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Vince G To: marty sukey Cc: FOT Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Vince Garrett 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk #144 Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) Registered with CASC Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following all you experts around the course :) Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. Looking forward! Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > subtractions. > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From sjanzen at me.com Tue Mar 26 14:27:17 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little buggers, if we are all still running by September. That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: 1970 Triumph GT-6+ #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the drivers seat... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Vince G To: marty sukey Cc: FOT Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Vince Garrett 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk #144 Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) Registered with CASC Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following all you experts around the course :) Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. Looking forward! Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > subtractions. > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Mar 26 17:24:44 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:24:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> I always thought that was the MGs Sent from my mobile device On Mar 26, 2013, at 6:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little >> buggers, if we are all still running by September. >> That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ >> #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the >> drivers >> seat... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Vince G >> To: marty sukey >> Cc: FOT >> Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers >> >> Vince Garrett >> 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk >> #144 >> Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) >> Registered with CASC >> >> Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun >> following >> all you experts around the course :) >> >> Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... >> >> My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. >> >> Looking forward! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: >> >>> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started >> for >>> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event >> in >>> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >>> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >>> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >>> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. >> Before >>> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >>> subtractions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Marty Sukey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 19:46:31 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:46:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I here yu. Mines in pieces and in deep freeze... Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 3:00 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Mar 27 08:43:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA.ORG News you can use....KASTNER CUP 2013 Message-ID: <8CFF910A3C07A38-26AC-17BCF@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> VSCDA.ORG is beginning to flesh out information on ELVF and the KASTNER CUP. Please monitor this site as it may answer your questions. There is also a link to ROADAMERICA.COM. Everyone should review these sites, that plan to go. There is something for everyone, whether you are driving or not. TOURING ON THE TRACK SATURDAY AND SUNDAY OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT SATURDAY AFTERNOON (RACE & STREET) WELCOME DINNER FRIDAY NIGHT FOR CREW AND OVERCREW PLUS TRIUMPH CAR SHOW (RACE & STREET) GATHER ON THE GREEN. A CAR SHOW AND LIVE MUSIC AT THE OSTHOFF. (SUBMIT YOUR CAR FOR ACCEPTANCE. SATURDAY NIGHT BANQUET FEATURING KAS KASTNER AS SPEAKER. KASTNER CUP IS ON SUNDAY AND AWARDS WILL BE PRESENTED AT THE PODIUM.....WE PLAN ON AN AWARD FOR EACH MODEL TRIUMPH....IN ADDITION TO THE KASTNER CUP....THIS IS A FIRST. Notes: We will want to get as many folks on CREW & OVERCREW as we can. There is some work going on to streamline this process. This will get us all together at the WELCOME DINNER as it should be. This is on Friday night. Thursday night: We are planning to do GROUP TECH in our FOT PADDOCK area...likely between 4-6 PM. I have inquired with a local restaurant that will deliver broasted chicken and pizza to the gate on THURSDAY evening so we can remain on site. Details to be worked out. Early indications: ENTRIES may be a record breaker....certainly this may be the most significant Kastner Cup we have ever had. Please feel to edit and publish this information if you are involved with CLUBS and PUBLICATIONS. Thanks! Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 26 15:29:50 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:29:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <096F66A4-078F-47A5-9D4C-44C120318F39@aol.com> Six.... ;) Chuck On Mar 26, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Mar 26 15:40:27 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:40:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14E20477-659E-4F29-80A8-9B855ADD8B94@comcast.net> I hear they are pack hunters. Jimg Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Mar 26 16:06:22 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:06:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Mar 26 18:29:25 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:29:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> Message-ID: John, I've moved on to dropping tacks. The smoke screen just seemed too temporary for a race as big as the Kastner Cup. Since Road America is so long, the heads on the tacks wear down over the coarse of a lap and have seemed to go undetected thus far, resulting in a race ending slow leak. Try to get ahead this time, There's no telling what might happen to you back there. These Kastner Cup races are getting pretty competitive. Since I've tried to keep the car legal to the 1972 regulations, you'll perhaps be surprised that the GCR says nothing about prohibiting the dropping of tacks. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:24:44 To: John Hasty Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers I always thought that was the MGs Sent from my mobile device On Mar 26, 2013, at 6:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little >> buggers, if we are all still running by September. >> That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ >> #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the >> drivers >> seat... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Vince G >> To: marty sukey >> Cc: FOT >> Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers >> >> Vince Garrett >> 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk >> #144 >> Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) >> Registered with CASC >> >> Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun >> following >> all you experts around the course :) >> >> Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... >> >> My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. >> >> Looking forward! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: >> >>> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started >> for >>> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event >> in >>> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >>> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >>> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >>> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. >> Before >>> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >>> subtractions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Marty Sukey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 19:45:17 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:45:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Awesome Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 4:29 PM, "Scott Janzen" wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 26 20:14:58 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301ce2a90$e322a9c0$a967fd40$@com> Tim and Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 VSCDA ERA Correct Two large T-shirts, please Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:45 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Mar 27 06:47:22 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:47:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> Message-ID: <001a01ce2ae9$3a2171e0$ae6455a0$@comcast.net> OK Scot when did you buy the MG?? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:25 PM To: John Hasty Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers I always thought that was the MGs Sent from my mobile device On Mar 26, 2013, at 6:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision > goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little >> buggers, if we are all still running by September. >> That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ >> #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in >> the drivers seat... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Vince G >> To: marty sukey >> Cc: FOT >> Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers >> >> Vince Garrett >> 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk >> #144 >> Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) >> Registered with CASC >> >> Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun >> following >> all you experts around the course :) >> >> Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... >> >> My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. >> >> Looking forward! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: >> >>> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even >>> started >> for >>> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event >> in >>> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the >>> shirt list, >>> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to >>> the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up >>> front planning >>> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. >> Before >>> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions >>> or subtractions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Marty Sukey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Mar 27 11:56:19 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:56:19 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501ce2b14$65b516b0$311f4410$@com> I've booked a flight to come and about 3 people would lend their cars to me to have a go with you guys. I also share a room with one of you so all lights are on go for the event :-) Cheers Chris Marx from Germany -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von marty sukey Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Mdrz 2013 18:45 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From dforeman at fooddude.com Wed Mar 27 16:56:17 2013 From: dforeman at fooddude.com (FoodDude) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CVAR/Hallet arrival Message-ID: <01ff01ce2b3e$4bb4a620$e31df260$@fooddude.com> If you want to be admitted Thursday evening, you MUST be registered for the Friday T&T, according to the track. See ya'll there! Dave Foreman #24 1964 Triumph Spitfire #22 1970 Triumph TR6 (Chump) 1964 Triumph TR4 (X2) 1975 Triumph TR6 (a pattern has developed...) From jibjib at att.net Wed Mar 27 18:09:35 2013 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:09:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <7154C58F8242443A9DAA8D21C4C831D4@EntCentPC> Great book. I was not impressed with his other books though. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Mar 27 20:15:37 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP Message-ID: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph related, but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country Reporter, and it shows that not everything has become modernized. Enjoy -Ed- --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: From: Jack L. Tyler Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP To: "Jack L. Tyler" Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM Hi Yball, Just thought you might enjoy this. Jack Tyler B Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few moments and watch this. American Heartland. B B Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. Pepper (soda pop) and B some peanuts". B B http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded B B B B From mark at bradakis.com Wed Mar 27 20:45:20 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:45:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5153AEC0.10905@bradakis.com> Very nice. mjb. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Mar 27 20:43:12 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:43:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001ce2b5d$fed2bde0$fc7839a0$@com> That's probably one of the last machine shops in the country that's run with line shafts! There was one in Fond du Lac (WI), a long narrow shop with a single line shaft, around about 1963 or 1964. I think it was gone by 1970. Too bad, a neat place. At the time it was the only place in town you could get some decent hardware. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:16 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph related, but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country Reporter, and it shows that not everything has become modernized. Enjoy -Ed- --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: From: Jack L. Tyler Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP To: "Jack L. Tyler" Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM Hi Yball, Just thought you might enjoy this. Jack Tyler B Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few moments and watch this. American Heartland. B B Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. Pepper (soda pop) and B some peanuts". B B http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded B B B B _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Mar 27 21:02:36 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:02:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Mar 27 21:25:21 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:25:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: OMG Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-27, at 11:03 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Mar 28 02:35:39 2013 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:35:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and function. Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts stores......... Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Mar 28 06:23:14 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:23:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak the language. Marty > I am going to write to their corporate office. From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 08:01:28 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:01:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <6DD48E55-5C13-4CCF-99D0-8363B6E02497@gmail.com> Napas in our area have disappeared. The last independent auto parts store in Austin sold out about 15 years ago. Curiously, the best service I've had in recent years is from a 20-something young lady at O'Reilly's in Bastrop, TX. I would try to get her to serve me since she would take the time to research, making phone calls to the central catalog library if necessary, until she had exhausted the possibilities. She said her dad made sure she knew how to find what auto parts customers were looking for. Too bad she's moved on, so now all I get is the blank stare and a flat reply of "we don't have that" with no attempt to dig deeper. But -- occasionally I will insist that they keep looking, ignoring what the computer says about their inventory, and calling in to the catalog library if necessary to see what crosses over or what can be ordered. But one of the real gems for non-engine related stuff in Austin is Breed & Co. (Ace) hardware. I can go in there and say, "I'm trying to fabricate something that will perform this function; it has to be made of X and be about so big." These guys (about half of them over retirement age, so probably just working there to stay busy) love a challenge and will often find me something I can adapt to work. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Mar 28, 2013, at 7:23 AM, marty sukey wrote: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak > the language. > > Marty From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Mar 28 08:04:11 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> My recent AutoZone experience: @ parts counter Me: Do you have Champion RN9YC spark plugs in stock? AutoZone Guy: How many do you need? Me: I need four but I'll buy eight if you have them. AZG: What car are they for? Me: I know you don't have the car in your database. AZG: That's the only way I can look them up? Me: You can't search by part number? AZG: No. Me: Really? .well ok, it's a 1962 Triumph Spitfire AZG: Well there's your problem, we don't carry motorcycle parts. Me: It's a car. >Click click click. AZG: No, we don't have that car listed in out parts database but let me check the stock shelves. >At this point AutoZone Guy spends about 5 minutes going through every bin containing Champion spark-plugs looking for RN9YCs. AZG: We don't seem to have them on the shelf; what car was that again? Me: 1962 Triumph Spitfire AZG: we have a '63 Herald with an 1100 engine. Me: That's it. Same engine. What plug does it list? AZG: Champion RN9YC Me: Do you have it in stock? AZG: No. Robert MacKenzie -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:03 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Mar 28 08:42:58 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 OSTHOFF RESERVATIONS Message-ID: <8CFF9D9AC7FE676-26AC-21410@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Our FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH group likely has a record number of advance reservations in place for 1-2-3 Bedroom Suites at the OSTHOFF, for the ELVF. (The suites are very cost effective when shared with other friends and family and loaded with amenities.) We exceeded our contract agreement a long time ago and they wanted to rewrite the contract. I ignored this request, but they have continued to accept reservations........I will be checking on the status of reservations, shortly. If you are having a problem, we will try to work it out. Regard this a last call on this subject. OSTHOFF.COM is their website. When calling in use "FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH" for the discount code. If attempting to reserve online, use "FRIENDS". If you want more days than what is specified in the contract, I am sure they will work with you. The OSTHOFF is the center of several activities on Saturday afternoon. "GATHER ON THE GREEN", LIVE MUSIC, OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT, and the VSCDA BANQUET with KAS as SPEAKER. The OSTHOFF is very close to ROAD AMERICA and once at the OSTHOFF everything in the village is within walking distance. This can be a very pleasurable weekend with low stress, if you are aware of all of the planning. Monitor "VSCDA.ORG" for information as it is loaded in. It will have PDFs on entering GATHER ON THE GREEN, the OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT, as well as DRIVER ENTRIES and TRACK TOURING. VSCDA is a class act and this is likely the best vintage race event in North America Joe Alexander KASTNER CUP 2013 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 08:59:47 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <929881507.232582.1364482787981.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I recently went into an AutoZone to grab a couple head lights for my TR3 and the fellow asked to look up the car. When he looked it up he said they didn't have them in stock. I said, dude just point me to the head light isle and gee wiz, there they were. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "gasket works" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:02:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 28 09:23:43 2013 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:23:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>, <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> Message-ID: This is nothing new for AutoZone... I ran into the same problem back in the early "oughts" with my TR4. I wanted Bosch platinum spark plugs for the Greenman. I had crossed referenced them previously with a Saab plug, which I previously happened across by accident in the auto department of Walmart. The kid at the computer told me "there was no such spark plug as there wasn't anything like a 1962 Triumph TR4 in his computer"... so it didn't exist... I asked to see his manager then took the both of them out to the parking lot to show them the "nonexistent" car. When the manager started getting pissy I walked away. I went to NAPA where there were car guys and not shoe salesmen on staff. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: list at mackenzie.aero > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:04:11 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > My recent AutoZone experience: > @ parts counter > Me: Do you have Champion RN9YC spark plugs in stock? > AutoZone Guy: How many do you need? > Me: I need four but I'll buy eight if you have them. > AZG: What car are they for? > Me: I know you don't have the car in your database. > AZG: That's the only way I can look them up? > Me: You can't search by part number? > AZG: No. > Me: Really? .well ok, it's a 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: Well there's your problem, we don't carry motorcycle parts. > Me: It's a car. > >Click click click. > AZG: No, we don't have that car listed in out parts database but let me > check the stock shelves. > >At this point AutoZone Guy spends about 5 minutes going through every bin > containing Champion spark-plugs looking for RN9YCs. > AZG: We don't seem to have them on the shelf; what car was that again? > Me: 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: we have a '63 Herald with an 1100 engine. > Me: That's it. Same engine. What plug does it list? > AZG: Champion RN9YC > Me: Do you have it in stock? > AZG: No. > > Robert MacKenzie > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:03 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps > 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your > timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked > "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's > on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod > bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I > look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Mar 28 09:30:02 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:30:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH parts are drying up, limited to stock on hand. Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like Chinese food, an hour later you need more. Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closing.html mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services 845-894-8088 From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 09:30:41 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <696282214.234251.1364484641215.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Marty et al, I will be attending the Kastner Cup. I haven't missed one since '08 at The Glen but I still haven't driven in one. I would of course love to be able to drive my TR3 in this years event. I'm working on getting my car accepted in CSRG now and I plan on racing soon. I had the car teched at an HMSA event at Laguna this past weekend and besides the Hoosier Speedsters, it's very close to ready. I need to install a fire extinguisher, knew that, raise the fuel cell vent line, didn't know that and place an on/off sticker next to the safety switch, knew that too. The car weighs 1988 lbs., without driver. Cool. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:44:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 28 09:44:20 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:44:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> Message-ID: I was in my local O'Reilly's and had just the opposite experience. Set an alternator on the counter and the dude says - Oh, I see you've converted it to one-wire. Would you like a one-wire version? Didn't have to jump through the "what car did it come from" dance at all. And, I ordered the spark plugs by number (NGK BP7HS). So not EVERYONE has lost the ability to properly service us. Tony At 10:23 AM 3/28/2013, Greg Petrolati wrote: >This is nothing new for AutoZone... I ran into the same problem back in >the >early "oughts" with my TR4. I wanted Bosch platinum spark plugs for >the >Greenman. I had crossed referenced them previously with a Saab plug, which I >previously happened across by accident in the auto department of Walmart. The >kid at the > computer told me "there was no such spark plug as there wasn't >anything > like a 1962 Triumph TR4 in his computer"... so it didn't exist... I >asked to see his manager then took the both of them out to the parking >lot to >show them the "nonexistent" car. When the manager started getting >pissy I >walked away. I went to NAPA where there were car guys and not shoe salesmen on >staff. > >Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > >That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 28 09:59:27 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <20265.7d3c6b1f.3e85c2df@cs.com> Our favorite NGKBP7HS spark plug is commonly used in GOLF CARS, so they are readily available at most parts stores! > I was in my local O'Reilly's and had just the opposite > experience. Set an alternator on the counter and the dude says - Oh, > I see you've converted it to one-wire. Would you like a one-wire > version? Didn't have to jump through the "what car did it come from" > dance at all. And, I ordered the spark plugs by number (NGK > BP7HS). So not EVERYONE has lost the ability to properly service us. > > Tony > > From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Mar 27 12:58:28 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:58:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: <902F45A5-8067-4F92-9B18-3A573B2512E5@comcast.net> I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some praise for an outstanding vender. I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus on customer service and satisfaction. Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact info. if you have tire needs. Jeffrey A. Speer Product Manager 65465 US Hwy 31 Lakeville, IN 46536 www.hoosiertire.com Phone: 574-784-3152 Fax: 574-784-2385 Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Mar 27 21:56:25 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:56:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <000001ce2b5d$fed2bde0$fc7839a0$@com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000001ce2b5d$fed2bde0$fc7839a0$@com> Message-ID: <701DA799-9AC9-4493-A685-0DC1D67D1A84@comcast.net> I came across a similar place called the Quasdorf Wagon, Machine, and Blacksmith Shop in a little town off I-35 called Wright, Iowa. I was coming back from the Kahler wedding (better know as VTR2002 in Redwing, Minnesota) and found this fascinating little shop. The upstairs was a museum with things like an ancient movie projector run with some Rube Goldberg carbon arc to provide light. Great place to check out. It was not as operational as the Texas shop day to day but the machines (belt driven from the basement) still all worked. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > That's probably one of the last machine shops in the country that's > run with > line shafts! There was one in Fond du Lac (WI), a long narrow shop > with a > single line shaft, around about 1963 or 1964. I think it was gone > by 1970. > Too bad, a neat place. At the time it was the only place in town > you could > get some decent hardware. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:16 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP > > Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph > related, > but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country > Reporter, and > it shows that not everything has become modernized. > Enjoy > -Ed- > > --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: > > > From: Jack L. Tyler > Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP > To: "Jack L. Tyler" > Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM > > > > > > > > Hi Yball, > Just thought you might enjoy this. > Jack Tyler > B > > Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few > moments and > watch this. American Heartland. > > B B > Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. > B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. > Pepper (soda > pop) and B some peanuts". > > B B > http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded > B > B B > B > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From rwestfall at ymail.com Thu Mar 28 07:11:59 2013 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <1364476319.72207.YahooMailMobile@web161806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I can assure you, corporate upper management people at the automotive chains are concerned with one thing, corporate profit. That's as it should be, it is after all a business, however, these businesses have completely lost track of what a parts store is. The take away is, if you need air freshener, tune up in a can, or a cutesy key chain, go to Pep Boys, Auto Zone, or Advanced. If you need parts, and parts knowledge find an independently owned parts store that serves the independent repair shops in your area. They are getting rare, but they are still out there. From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 07:42:29 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:42:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I fill the same way I guess guys..when I stop at my local store now they quit asking me what the part is for or drive......now they ask what the part is suppose to go on....and they are still puzzled...so I bring my own parts numbers now....that gets rid of the "bewildered look"....sometimes On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 8:23 AM, marty sukey wrote: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak > the language. > > Marty > > > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 28 07:42:23 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:42:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: The thing I most long for most 40 or 50 years ago is to be 37 again! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:36 AM To: gasket.works at gte.net; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and function. Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts stores......... Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 08:07:00 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:07:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone and asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed the make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it was a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a flat12 And sat back to watch his head implode. Jim g. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:23 AM, marty sukey wrote: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak > the language. > > Marty > > >> I am going to write to their corporate office. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Mar 28 08:17:07 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <6478.683ecabf.3e85aae3@aol.com> In a message dated 03/28/2013 6:28:24 AM Central Standard Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from > a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that > speak > the language. > I know babushkas, the ladies wear them on the South side of Milwaukee, in the winter...with their galoshes. We've still got two great NAPA stores nearby. Both know what they're doing. Bill Dentinger From wensley_tr at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 08:31:34 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:31:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <000e01ce2bc0$f3319070$d994b150$@comcast.net> Damm...What do you guys want they only make 18.00 an hour and not allowed to over 35 hours a week. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:23 AM To: gasket.works at gte.net; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak the language. Marty > I am going to write to their corporate office. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 28 09:58:24 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CFF9E436779518-1D24-1CC79@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Sadly its not about servicing, supplying and knowledge sharing from the current crop of " Auto Parts Stores ". It's about the most PROFIT one can gain from the product on the shelf (?). Parts made in distant lands by people promised a better way of life who could care less about what they are making. Corporate heads making decisions of who is their supplier and really caring less about any concerns the parts they are offering will fit, work or even look like the part it is to replace. Just as long as the profit margin is large enough to secure their next bonus checks. Quality is but a distant memory. As for the clerk behind the counter ... you get what you pay for, these people are usually only making minimum wage. This satisfy's the corporate heads as labor rates are low thus keeping overhead costs down ... more profits. Besides their belief is everything is on the computer and that info is all that is needed for knowledge for their employees. Thus you don't need to know the difference between a rod bearing from a wheel bearing, or where they are on a vehicle. They are pressured to sell the cheap no name part to the customer meaning the most profit for the corporation. A few years ago I took an automotive technician course at one of those schools. When subjects like brakes and ignitions came up most of the younglings in the class were unfamiliar with drum brakes or distributors. And totally baffled by points and condensers. These topics were briefly reviewed during the course. So needless to say when I brought one of my Spitfires in for study work in the lab several of my classmates were curious about the distributor and its workings. Good for some extra credits from my instructor. I have found that most of these parts places have web sites where I can look up their part numbers for the part I am looking for. I write this info down and then go shopping. If the clerk behind the counter wont use the numbers I will then ask for the manager. This gets me my parts and usually the clerk gets a little education from his superior. Finally, I always shop for the brand name part for critical items as its worth the extra money for a quality part that fits so I only have to make the repair once. Unfortunately for our Triumphs the quality parts are becoming harder to find as the parts made in China it seems are the only way our parts are being reproduced. I find it harder, these past several years, to locate any last bits of NOS parts left. Though blogs and some web sites prove invaluable for info on what and where to locate these better quality parts for our Triumphs. Keep searching, Bob T '63 Spitfire street '64 Spitfire GT autocrosser PS these stores could eliminate about 40 % of the crap on their shelves and still serve their customers as they do now. Air Freshener dodads ? Why ? -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: gasket.works ; 'FOT' Sent: Thu, Mar 28, 2013 4:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and veryone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads ho contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, hey had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer f dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and t always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different melling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third orld country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and unction. elcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts tores......... e, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! Russ Moore -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of gasket.works at gte.net ent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM o: FOT ubject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 8y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your iming lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that ime I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different lerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 hevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" oment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's n first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod earings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I ook at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I hought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M ent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 10:03:35 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:03:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <696282214.234251.1364484641215.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <696282214.234251.1364484641215.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201ce2bcd$cdcfc9c0$696f5d40$@net> Hi Dave...I expect to be teching at the CSRG April 5-7..If Ken Kirk is there it would be a great chance for Ken/CSRG to take a look at your car ...you probably have his # but here it is..415 307 9017 csrgcarclass at aol.com I'm greatly excited for you! Racer Bud -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of davehogye Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:31 AM To: marty sukey Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Marty et al, I will be attending the Kastner Cup. I haven't missed one since '08 at The Glen but I still haven't driven in one. I would of course love to be able to drive my TR3 in this years event. I'm working on getting my car accepted in CSRG now and I plan on racing soon. I had the car teched at an HMSA event at Laguna this past weekend and besides the Hoosier Speedsters, it's very close to ready. I need to install a fire extinguisher, knew that, raise the fuel cell vent line, didn't know that and place an on/off sticker next to the safety switch, knew that too. The car weighs 1988 lbs., without driver. Cool. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:44:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From craigl at leinickegroup.com Thu Mar 28 07:59:03 2013 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:59:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: To add to this thread, a couple of years ago I asked the same 20+ year old counter clerk at a local auto parts store about rear shock absorbers for a Triumph TR7... He looked me square in the eye and said "Who makes Triumph?" When I replied... "Triumph makes Triumph" he looked at me like I had just stepped off a space ship and had a third eye in the middle of my forehead. Needless to say, I didn't buy any parts that day. I understand that this fellow probably wasn't born in 1981 when Triumph production came to an end but you would think anyone with enough interest to work in the automotive field would recognize major British auto manufacturers. The reality is that all of us have more knowledge about the workings of automobiles than 90% of the people working the auto parts counters today. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing On 3/28/13 3:35 AM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and > everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads > who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, > they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer > of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and > it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different > smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third > world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and > function. > Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts > stores......... > Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps > 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your > timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked > "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's > on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod > bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I > look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 10:09:03 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:09:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some praise for an outstanding vender. I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus on customer service and satisfaction. Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact info. if you have tire needs. Jeffrey A. Speer Product Manager 65465 US Hwy 31 Lakeville, IN 46536 www.hoosiertire.com Phone: 574-784-3152 Fax: 574-784-2385 Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From jerrybarr at charter.net Thu Mar 28 10:12:54 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:12:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00A316F2-0E01-4ED8-8326-1ADCC9D11484@charter.net> After high school I served a 4 year machinist apprenticeship at Allis Chalmers in West Allis Wisconsin. I served in the heavy industry shops machining and building large steam turbines, generators, rod and ball mills. I got to run amazingly large machines such as 16' boring mills. I didn't get to run the 40' boring mill but got to help running it. The bigger boring mills had basements under them for access to the drive system, we had a 7" boring bar with a huge table 100 feet square come to mind. One job that was a lot of fun was boring the main bearing bores and blade ring grooves on the high, intermediate, and low pressure turbine housings. I would operate the machine while the machinist was inside the housing setting the tool and could not get out until the cut was done and the bar was disconnected. I got to run an engine lathe that had a 12' faceplate and 100 foot long bed. We used it to rough out the turbine main shaft before they were sent out for heat treating. When it came back we would finish machine the shaft and cut in the blade ring grooves. I got to operate other machines such as a 12' planer mill, 8' planer, huge radial arm drill presses. What a wonderful experience! All this was done before automation. On Mar 27, 2013, at 9:15 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph related, > but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country Reporter, and > it shows that not everything has become modernized. > Enjoy > -Ed- > > --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: > > > From: Jack L. Tyler > Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP > To: "Jack L. Tyler" > Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM > > > > > > > > Hi Yball, > Just thought you might enjoy this. > Jack Tyler > B > > Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few moments and > watch this. American Heartland. > > B B > Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. > B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. Pepper (soda > pop) and B some peanuts". > > B B > http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded > B > B B > B > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 28 10:42:55 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:42:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E7FEA81-F217-4190-82ED-538D106E0D67@austin.rr.com> Quinton Hazell used to be the JC Whitney brand....how far we have (not) come!! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:30 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH parts > are drying up, limited to stock on hand. > Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like Chinese > food, an hour later you need more. > > > Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing > > http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closing .html > > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > 845-894-8088 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 28 10:50:09 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:50:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Parts stores Message-ID: <515474C1.3080500@bradakis.com> Back when I was using a TR6 as my daily driver I usually had no problem getting parts. There was a parts store within walking distance and the manager owned a TR6 himself. That was nice. There is one old school parts place way down in Sandy. I used to enjoy delivering there when I was a driver. Back then they had a project - rebuilding the engine for a 1904 Cadillac. You won't see THAT at Autozone! mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 11:08:06 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:08:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Parts stores In-Reply-To: <515474C1.3080500@bradakis.com> References: <515474C1.3080500@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <003d01ce2bd6$d13cedf0$73b6c9d0$@net> The NAPA store here in Sonoma is very versatile...very personal..I brought in a burned out weird bulb from an old Flarestat emergency flasher..bingo..they had one.. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:50 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Parts stores Back when I was using a TR6 as my daily driver I usually had no problem getting parts. There was a parts store within walking distance and the manager owned a TR6 himself. That was nice. There is one old school parts place way down in Sandy. I used to enjoy delivering there when I was a driver. Back then they had a project - rebuilding the engine for a 1904 Cadillac. You won't see THAT at Autozone! mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Mar 28 14:07:40 2013 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:07:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another reason to call Hoosier tires "purple crack" Sent from my iPad On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Bud R wrote: > I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't > provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some > praise for an outstanding vender. > > I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and > Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with > the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. > > Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the > air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company > that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. > It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus > on customer service and satisfaction. > > Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his > people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact > info. if you have tire needs. > > > Jeffrey A. Speer > Product Manager > > > 65465 US Hwy 31 > Lakeville, IN 46536 > www.hoosiertire.com > Phone: 574-784-3152 > Fax: 574-784-2385 > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Mar 28 16:50:09 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:50:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl cam bearings Message-ID: <5154C921.2090500@pobox.com> I know this has been discussed, but I must have been asleep, so I apologize. As I understand it, if you want to put cam bearings in a 6 cylinder TR, you use Spitfire 1296 bearings (1 or 2 sets?). The block must be bored from 1.9680 - 1.9695. The bearing journals on the cam must be ground to fit the bearings. Doesn't this restrict the cam lift? What is the cam bearing ID compared to the stock setup with no bearing? Thanks, Larry From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Mar 28 11:20:20 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:20:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <51547BD4.4060309@dfn.com> On 3/28/2013 2:35 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: > I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and > everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads > who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, > they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer > of dust. My favorite story along these lines was when I lived in MI in the `70s. There was an old, old auto parts store downtown that had been around since the days when the Model T was new. A guy I knew did repairs at home, and one day, someone dropped off a `30s-era Chris Craft mahogany runabout and asked him to get the engine going. He looked it over and decided that the engine was toast--just a big pile of rust, inside and out. But, he kept it in mind, thinking he might get lucky and find the parts for it he needed. One day, he was at the aforementioned parts store, and happened to mention that he was looking for engine parts for a Chris Craft. The son of the original owner, a fellow then in his 70s, overheard him and said, "follow me." He went up a ladder to the second floor, and another ladder to the third floor, and in the back of building was a crated Hercules engine still in cosmoline. They pulled back the tarp, wiped off the cosmo, and discovered that the crated engine's last serial number digit was four off from the one in the boat. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Mar 28 17:39:51 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:39:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. After asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some times I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will take the time to match up what you want with what they have. Larry On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: > I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone and > asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed the > make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it was > a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a > flat12 > And sat back to watch his head implode. > Jim g. From bownes at seiri.com Thu Mar 28 18:15:51 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes - Seiri) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:15:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> My favorite answer for the make model year question is 1958 Wartburg. :) On Mar 28, 2013, at 19:39, Larry Young wrote: > Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. After asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. > > I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some times I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will take the time to match up what you want with what they have. > Larry > > > On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: >> I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone and >> asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed the >> make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it was >> a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a >> flat12 >> And sat back to watch his head implode. >> Jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Mar 28 18:22:16 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:22:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry><5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry><5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> Message-ID: I fooled my local Auto Value, who actually are pretty good they have been around a long time, the other day by asking for an oil filter for a 1997 Pontiac Firebird. The counter guy said, "Wait, did you say 1997?" Hehe. I always am asking for some part for pre 1960 cars, or some obscure foreign thing, you know, like Triumph parts, so I ambushed them with a modern part. Pretty funny. Terry Stetler From tr4 at wi.rr.com Thu Mar 28 18:27:42 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:27:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl cam bearings In-Reply-To: <5154C921.2090500@pobox.com> Message-ID: Larry, Many of the parts providers sell cam bearing sets for the TR6 blocks so that you don't have to buy two sets of Spitfire bearings. The block needs then to be line bored to the specs you stated. The number of machine shops that have the necessary machines and knowledge are becoming few and far between so make sure you have an experienced person in your area. I just had this procedure performed on a block for a customer by a reputable company and the cost was in the area of $375.00 with boring, fitting and cleaning of the block. You do not need to alter the camshaft in any way and any standard diameter TR6 camshaft will fit but the bearings may need some "fitting" which is in the cost I provided. Now for my opinion!!! If you are racing this engine at full bore with a very high lift camshaft then I would not hesitate fitting the bearings but be prepared to replace these every time you freshen the engine. The stock TR6 has a high chrome content and wears very little and what I have seen over the years is more worn cams than blocks! I have seen a good number of street and lower power race engines with little to no wear after 80k miles! Just my opinion! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:50 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl cam bearings I know this has been discussed, but I must have been asleep, so I apologize. As I understand it, if you want to put cam bearings in a 6 cylinder TR, you use Spitfire 1296 bearings (1 or 2 sets?). The block must be bored from 1.9680 - 1.9695. The bearing journals on the cam must be ground to fit the bearings. Doesn't this restrict the cam lift? What is the cam bearing ID compared to the stock setup with no bearing? Thanks, Larry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Mar 28 18:42:52 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GREENWOOD, INC 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF FIRST RACE IN jUNE Message-ID: <8CFFA2D7AE70549-1600-2312C@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Got a call from Shawn Frank today. Today it was decided to hold a reunion at the old GREENWOOD course near Indianola, IA. Shawn and Steve Meyer are both FOT and both involved. The embryonic website is GREENWOODREVIVAL.COM I think the date is going to be June 8th for the festivities. I should be there. I was there 50 years ago with my MG-TD and working T-1. I suspect that more than a few of us are familiar with this 1960s effort to bring ROAD RACING to IOWA. SCCA REGIONAL CLUBS were actually quite active in IOWA during the 50s and 60s. Check it out. The track is in very sad shape, but it is still there. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 19:06:37 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:06:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the station! >> >> >> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 19:10:58 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:10:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about 1965 RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:07 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the station! >> >> >> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Mar 28 19:25:47 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:25:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> Message-ID: My clearest memory of my only childhood trip to Disneyworld in the early 70's was the awesome Gulf station with about 16 fill-up lanes. Who needs Mickey. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:06 PM, "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" wrote: > This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the > station! > >>> >>> >>> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Mar 28 19:25:53 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:25:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <1689424031-1364520351-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1279903135-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Another... I went to local pep boys for a 6 volt battery. (It was for a 1914 cadillac I have.) The fellow asks what car and year. I tell him. He can't find it in computer, Duh. Then I say its for a 1932 Model A ford. Not in computer either. Ok I say... Do you have any 6 volt batteries? I don't know he says. Can you look? What do they look like? M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From jason at multivintage.com Thu Mar 28 20:13:35 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:13:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup Message-ID: Good News for ALL Kastner Cup Attendees!!! >From the outset, one of the key aspects for planning this year's "Kastner Cup" was to somehow have all the Triumph folks in one localized paddock area. Over the past couple days some major strides have been made with VSCDA and Road America Regarding an EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK for our entire weekend. The FOT has strength in numbers. VSCDA and ROAD AMERICA have seemed to realize how big this event is and they are working with us nicely. Joe has been putting in tons of effort on FOT's behalf. This will be a special event. Thanks to Joe's aggressive 5 star service. So, Long Story Short.... FOT will have 1) Our own EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH ONLY paddock area. 2) Our own dedicated garage type hospitality structure (holds 36 cars and will serve as our HUB of Triumph activity) 3) Electric. Power will be available to anyone who rents a garage space. (driver cost for garage slot and power = $50.00) OFFICIAL NOTICE TO ALL Kastner Cup Driver's and teams: At this point Here's your 3 options for use of the Exclusive Triumph Paddock (All entrants must pick one of the following options and contact jason at multivintage.com with the details.) A) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you don't want a garage space or power. WHAT YOU NEED to Do...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size, c) additional space next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space. Cost is Zero, your spot is secured. Example: John Reed, 1969 Triumph GT6+ #69, Honda minivan and 12' open trailer, 12x12 ez-up and large tent. B) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you want a garage spot and power. WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size c) additional space needed next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space Cost is $50.00 per car using the garage spot, your spot is secured. (you must snail mail a check payable to "Wonderland" to Wonderland Multivintage 3731 Grand Blvd, Brookfield IL 60513.) Example: Tony Garmey, Triumph 250k, Bill Hart, Triumph Devin, killer Ferrari transport vehicle, 110' rig with 60'x40' cannopy. staying at hotel. Bill's Devin only in the garage = $50.00 sent to Wonderland Tony and Bill will both use the garage = $100.00 sent to Wonderland. C) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you are "Grandfathered in" to a spot far better than we are offering at this time because you have earned a high status among the RA elite and are a "shareholder with benefits." WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) Jock strap size c) When is the Wine and Cheese Party? d) which cheese will we be able to smell from the "EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK"? e) Submit an essay about "what it was like to race before electricity was invented". Cost is Zero, your spot is secured (but not by me) Unfortunately, you may need to walk or drive down a substantial hill to be with other Triumph people. If, by some chance, your concept of enjoying "the kastner cup" are not recognized by any of the above options, No Problem! Contact jason at multivintage.com with details and a custom plan will be made to accomodate your needs. Overview: this will be the best Kastner Cup yet! Sorry but I am unable to provide a photo of the garage structure in this email. If this is a critical point and you would like to see a photo of the garage building in question I could send you a photo attachment. Regardless, The Lester Garages and surrounding area will house the FOT for the entire weekend. This will be the HUB for Triumph activity. This will be the central area for poster signing/distribution of Triumph related materials. The Lester garages will serve as a resting place and center for invited guests of our group such as Kas and Peggy Kastner and All other FOT people. This garage and surrounding area will be a centralized location for all we are doing. It will be "THE TRIUMPH AREA" ...NICE!!! Triumph Group Tech will also happen in this area!!! Thursday eve. no matter what... if you are racing at this event, you must decide your paddock requirements and contact me with one of the choices listed above. Thank you very much! Adress all paddock questions and inquirys to me at jason at multivintage.com(no exceptions) and every attempt will be made to accomodate your needs. Jason Ostrowski Paddock Master 2013 Kastner Cup at RA. From jason at multivintage.com Thu Mar 28 21:37:33 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:37:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PADDOCK general questions and detals Message-ID: The "Lester" garages that FOT will have for the weekend are not fully enclosed. It is a solid, nicely covered, perfectly smooth, blacktopped, "open plan" garage. It houses a total of 36 cars and various equipment. Each spot is 10x15. It is next to the track after turn 14 on the inside of the track. Great access to turn 5 viewing and some other great spots. It is ours for the weekend. But we paid for it. "someone" did. And the cost of these spots are up for use as a show platform for what we do. We (FOT) would like to "sell" these 30 spots. (Basically to recoup our costs to get some of what we need and want...hospitality tent, local area, power) First come, first served. "What do people do with garage space versus space next to trailer during a race day -- between sessions?" That is up to you, the whole idea is to try to get trailers close as possible. But the 30+ spot garage is the 'exrta bounus' and will perhaps be something yet unseen Kastner Cup Awesomeness. and also pretty *** cool. It will have cars on show... and perhaps cars being worked on. I suppose what you do in your garage spot is dependant on how well you are prepared for "The Kastner Cup". What space does one have in the garage? about 10X15. But understand this is not like your own private garage. good or bad, Kastner, FoT and all the hoards of Triumph fans will be able to see lots of cars being scurried about and fussed over. And in the center will be spot for FOT hospitality and our special guests. Thank You FGR From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Mar 28 22:25:59 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:25:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crossing the marque line Message-ID: <60E5973A-14BD-4AAE-9A3A-31831FF94F69@aol.com> Amici My friend who races a MGA is building an engine after throwing a rod in his last one. We were talking and he is going from a MGB 5 main to a 3 main. One of the problems he stated was that the rear main uses a scroll seal and the info out there to convert this is a fluky setup. So I mention that there is a conversion for a tr3 or tr4 (?) that is good. Maybe it can be engineered or converted to the MGB 3 main. Soooooo. Is it possible? I don't have any measurements or picture or any other measurements. Just putting it out there From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Mar 28 23:16:22 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:16:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> Message-ID: <6872E1BDDBB94E36ADC97D5A7B3D8848@rocky> What gets me is I ask for a part for my 1964 Spitfire, and according to their "book" the earliest model of a Spitfire was 1972. Nowadays I just answer "It's a race car" and they quit looking for an easy catalogue match and now they have to find something that fits my purpose. Most humorous was when I installed the Volkswagen radiator in the Spit, and the hose connections both were on the opposite side from the stock Spit rad. The top one was easy, just turned the thermostat housing to the other side. For the bottom I went in with measurements ("I need a hose X inches long with a 90 degree bend at the bottom end") and they just let me prowl through their hose inventory until I found one (a Ford unit) that would work after I cut unneeded sections off. Fortunately, I guess, since local parts stores have nothing that goes on my car more specific than a nut and bolt, I do most of my parts shopping by mail-order. I have a drawer by my desk full of nothing but catalogues. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > My recent AutoZone experience: > @ parts counter > Me: Do you have Champion RN9YC spark plugs in stock? > AutoZone Guy: How many do you need? > Me: I need four but I'll buy eight if you have them. > AZG: What car are they for? > Me: I know you don't have the car in your database. > AZG: That's the only way I can look them up? > Me: You can't search by part number? > AZG: No. > Me: Really? .well ok, it's a 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: Well there's your problem, we don't carry motorcycle parts. > Me: It's a car. >>Click click click. > AZG: No, we don't have that car listed in out parts database but let me > check the stock shelves. >>At this point AutoZone Guy spends about 5 minutes going through every bin > containing Champion spark-plugs looking for RN9YCs. > AZG: We don't seem to have them on the shelf; what car was that again? > Me: 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: we have a '63 Herald with an 1100 engine. > Me: That's it. Same engine. What plug does it list? > AZG: Champion RN9YC > Me: Do you have it in stock? > AZG: No. > > Robert MacKenzie > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:03 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps > 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your > timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and > asked > "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello > "who's > on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod > bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I > look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 28 23:37:51 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:37:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com><62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of gas. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about 1965 RB From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Mar 29 05:04:28 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:04:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: <9B170B83A35A4604A4AD63CFC52034A0@TRIUMPH.local> Mr. Paddock Master, With regards to choice C from you recent communication to your "triumph friends", there is some essential information that requires dissemination to the general public. However, there is information that I am afraid will be shared, but I really don't want to know. I like to be surprised by the cheese selections... PS. Is Don Brick and his cheese coming? > C) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow > vehicle > and you are "Grandfathered in" to a spot far better than we are offering > at > this time because you have earned a high status among the RA elite and are > a "shareholder with benefits." > WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... > a) general car info > b) Jock strap size > c) When is the Wine and Cheese Party? > d) which cheese will we be able to smell from the "EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH > PADDOCK"? > e) Submit an essay about "what it was like to race before electricity was > invented". > Adress all paddock questions and inquirys to me at > jason at multivintage.com(no exceptions) and every attempt will be made > to accomodate your needs. > Jason Ostrowski > Paddock Master > 2013 Kastner Cup at RA. From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Mar 29 05:23:50 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:23:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire References: <902F45A5-8067-4F92-9B18-3A573B2512E5@comcast.net> Message-ID: <308E5C722EC34EB5BACA81ACD1D01C08@TRIUMPH.local> I had a Speedster that lost air faster than they usually do, it turned out to be leaking through the sidewall. I was at the Wild Hare Run, VDCA's wonderful April event at VIR a couple years back, and one of the pro teams that runs with us at that event has Hoosier come out to support them. I took my bad tire down to them, the boys looked at it and gave me one of Jeff Speer's business cards. I was told to call him the following week, tell him I was at the VIR event and talked to ??? (can't remember the dude's name) and tell him I have a tire he needs to see. I called Jeff, he said no problem, get me the tire. I am a half hour from Hoosier's east coast distributor, so I dropped the tire off there with my business cards. They shipped it back to Indiana at no cost to me, and two weeks later I get a statement in the mail from Hoosier Tire saying I have a credit for 1 new tire. They held that credit on their books for months until I bought another set of tires, and that set I only paid for 3! The bad tire had lots of heat cycles in it and didn't have many more good sessions in it, but Hoosier still replaced it. Great customer service. These days, that really is a breath of fresh air. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud R" Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire > > Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his > people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact > info. if you have tire needs. > > > Jeffrey A. Speer > Product Manager > > > 65465 US Hwy 31 > Lakeville, IN 46536 > www.hoosiertire.com > Phone: 574-784-3152 > Fax: 574-784-2385 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Mar 29 05:39:27 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:39:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com><62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing wage for teens was $1.00 an hour! When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. Times change, don't they? Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear >I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat > next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for > those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of > gas. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM > To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 > cents..about > 1965 > RB > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Mar 29 05:49:43 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:49:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <24338C57E9154ACF842B2F771C931952@hpd530> I'm fortunate in that there are three very good parts stores in the nearby towns, all of which morphed from the original in Meadville in the late 60's. They usually find me some obscure part for an old car or tractor. They let me prowl through the stock room and pick out what I need, sometimes blowing the dust off. Very knowledgable and helpful, and support the local communities. The "Big Box" stores use Wally World's model; stock the fast movers and max your profit. Here's to Spring. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:02 PM Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- >I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps >28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your >timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and >asked "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello > "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine > rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". > I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 06:36:33 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Road AMERICA'S TEST AND TUNE PROGRAM (RATT) not part of Kastner Cup Weekend In-Reply-To: <8CFFA90AB4B7F88-1600-268F3@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFFA90AB4B7F88-1600-268F3@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFFA912DF24E8B-1600-2693F@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Road AMERICA'S TEST AND TUNE PROGRAM (RATT) not part of Kastner Cup Weekend Chuck, THE RATT Days is a program that ROAD AMERICA has marketed to racers throughout the season. I am not sure that Road America has scheduled anything on the Thursday of our event....yet. If they get a big contract from a commercial entity, they will choose that ... $$$ So, the issue is still open.......look at how the $900 Program is marketed. not your typical pre-race T & T Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 07:25:40 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ROAD AMERICA OPEN TEST DAYS - TENTATIVE SCHEDULE - ELVF Message-ID: <8CFFA980A9DA845-1600-26EB8@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Further review says that RA has published a 'TENTATIVE' test day for ELVF. No cost information is provided......it wont be $900, I am sure. If no big moneyed FISH swims by, RA will firm up the date and publish the details....stand by. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 08:06:01 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FEATURES AND BENEFITS OF THE LESTER GARAGES KASTNER CUP 2013 Message-ID: <8CFFA9DAD912714-1600-2749F@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> LOW COST $50 FOR THE WEEKEND ELECTRICITY 110V POWER OUTLET LIGHTING OVERHEAD LOCATED ON THE FRONT STRAIGHT with view of TURN 14 COMBINATION OF ASPHALT AND GRASS PARKING EASY ACCESS TO THE POPULAR TURN FIVE VIEWING AREA GROUP TECH HAS BEEN ARRANGED IN THE GARAGES with VSCDA's Dave Young. The obvious is that there is no need to set up canopies, take them down, or retrieve them after blowing away. The social benefits are clear....we travel great distances to be together and spend most of our hours in the paddock. The Lester garages were negotiated with Road America, including the installation of power. It is unlikely that any group will ever see this deal again in the future. If you know ROAD AMERICA, you will understand. We got kinda lucky. Check in with Jason, PADDOCK MASTER, ASAP Thanks! Joe Alexander KASTNER CUP 2013 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 08:28:46 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:26:24 AM Central Standard Time, yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes: > I had a Speedster that lost air faster than they usually do, it turned > out > to be leaking through the sidewall. It's been my experience that losing air through the sidewall of racing tires is sure not uncommon. For years while I was still running original ARW Silverstone mags on my TR3, I would carefully wash and inspect each wheel and tire looking for cracks in the spokes between events. I was always amazed to see all of the soap air bubbles that would surface from the sidewalls of each tire during the washing process. It made me aware that I was constantly losing some air through the sidewalls. Dunlop has been our tire of choice down through the years (they look so damn'd British), but we've run Goodyear and Hoosier sets as well. We have yet to experience what I would call unacceptable air loss through the sidewalls...but we are aware of the issue and sure check tire pressures carefully between sessions. Bill Dentinger From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Mar 28 12:29:06 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not everyone is up on antiques, especially the younger folk LOL Us old farts luv'm Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-28, at 12:11 PM, "Craig Leinicke" wrote: > To add to this thread, a couple of years ago I asked the same 20+ year old > counter clerk at a local auto parts store about rear shock absorbers for a > Triumph TR7... He looked me square in the eye and said "Who makes Triumph?" > > When I replied... "Triumph makes Triumph" he looked at me like I had just > stepped off a space ship and had a third eye in the middle of my forehead. > > Needless to say, I didn't buy any parts that day. I understand that this > fellow probably wasn't born in 1981 when Triumph production came to an end > but you would think anyone with enough interest to work in the automotive > field would recognize major British auto manufacturers. > > The reality is that all of us have more knowledge about the workings of > automobiles than 90% of the people working the auto parts counters today. > > Craig Leinicke > Flashback Racing > > > On 3/28/13 3:35 AM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > >> I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and >> everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads >> who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, >> they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer >> of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and >> it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different >> smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third >> world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and >> function. >> Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts >> stores......... >> Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! >> >> Russ Moore >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net >> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM >> To: FOT >> Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- >> >> I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps >> 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your >> timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked >> "What year and model?". >> >> I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that >> time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different >> clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 >> chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" >> "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" >> moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's >> on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod >> bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I >> look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I >> thought this was an auto store". We walked out. >> >> I am going to write to their corporate office. >> >> M >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca Thu Mar 28 13:05:57 2013 From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca (peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:05:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also hat some issue with Hoosier Tire (not there fault) and Jeff was also were help full in solving my Tire wear. Were dedicated people. #42 TR 8 Peter Bulkowski Technical Manager ,Special Projects 98 Vanderhoof Ave. Toronto,Ontario, M4G 4C9 CANADA Direct line +416 847 7514 Mobil line +416 520 6108 Fax line +416 425 6370 NEW E-Mail peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca levilevi at comcast. net Sent by: To fot-bounces at autox fot at autox.team.net .team.net cc Subject 03/28/2013 12:13 [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing PM Tire I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some praise for an outstanding vender. I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus on customer service and satisfaction. Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact info. if you have tire needs. Jeffrey A. Speer Product Manager 65465 US Hwy 31 Lakeville, IN 46536 www.hoosiertire.com Phone: 574-784-3152 Fax: 574-784-2385 Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 18:21:03 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:21:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> Message-ID: <006101ce2c13$4c8a5ce0$e59f16a0$@net> I think it depends on who we deal with...My NAPA store makes a point of 'finding the part that will work, fit, etc'..they even mic stuff for me and match it up that way. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Bownes - Seiri Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:16 PM To: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- My favorite answer for the make model year question is 1958 Wartburg. :) On Mar 28, 2013, at 19:39, Larry Young wrote: > Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. > After asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. > > I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some > times I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will take the time to match up what you want with what they have. > Larry > > > On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: >> I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto >> zone and >> asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter >> needed the >> make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked >> if it was >> a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it >> was a >> flat12 >> And sat back to watch his head implode. >> Jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Mar 28 18:34:32 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:34:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating Message-ID: <20130328.203432.14315.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> I have never sprayed this particular type of product, so I don't know if it sprays out like spray paint or undercoating. If like spray paint, then should be able to get an even coat. Joe ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Barr, Scott" To: 'Joe Boruch' Cc: 'tom strange' Subject: RE: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:26:26 +0000 Would you be able to apply this evenly enough to seal? I wonder whether this might be a nice adjunct to a copper gasket where used to lower the compression ratio or clear piston pop-up, but where the copper gasket isn't sealing well. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 7:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating I have been debating the merits of coating a steel shim head gasket with a Fluoroelastomer (Viton) coating. Cometic gaskets are Viton coated. There are Fluoroelastomer coatings available in aerosol cans. Have any of you tried anything like this? 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From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 06:32:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Road AMERICA'S TEST AND TUNE PROGRAM (RATT) not part of Kastner Cup Weekend Message-ID: <8CFFA90AB4B7F88-1600-268F3@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Chuck, THE RATT Days is a program that ROAD AMERICA has marketed to racers throughout the season. I am not sure that Road America has scheduled anything on the Thursday of our event....yet. If they get a big contract from a commercial entity, they will choose that ... $$$ So, the issue is still open.......look at how the $900 Program is marketed. not your typical pre-race T & T Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Jason Ostrowski ; Joe Alexander Sent: Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup Cost for racing at Kas Cup. Any iea what the race fees are? I just looked at there test an tune schedule an see thee is one Thusday before our event -- but it cost $900!!!! [I am used to fees between $200-350 for a test and tune day before a race at Seattle, Portland, The Ridge, etc. Getting worried about what the Cup entry fee for the weekend will be??? On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: Good News for ALL Kastner Cup Attendees!!! >From the outset, one of the key aspects for planning this year's "Kastner Cup" was to somehow have all the Triumph folks in one localized paddock area. Over the past couple days some major strides have been made with VSCDA and Road America Regarding an EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK for our entire weekend. The FOT has strength in numbers. VSCDA and ROAD AMERICA have seemed to realize how big this event is and they are working with us nicely. Joe has been putting in tons of effort on FOT's behalf. This will be a special event. Thanks to Joe's aggressive 5 star service. So, Long Story Short.... FOT will have 1) Our own EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH ONLY paddock area. 2) Our own dedicated garage type hospitality structure (holds 36 cars and will serve as our HUB of Triumph activity) 3) Electric. Power will be available to anyone who rents a garage space. (driver cost for garage slot and power = $50.00) OFFICIAL NOTICE TO ALL Kastner Cup Driver's and teams: At this point Here's your 3 options for use of the Exclusive Triumph Paddock (All entrants must pick one of the following options and contact jason at multivintage.com with the details.) A) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you don't want a garage space or power. WHAT YOU NEED to Do...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size, c) additional space next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space. Cost is Zero, your spot is secured. Example: John Reed, 1969 Triumph GT6+ #69, Honda minivan and 12' open trailer, 12x12 ez-up and large tent. B) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you want a garage spot and power. WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size c) additional space needed next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space Cost is $50.00 per car using the garage spot, your spot is secured. (you must snail mail a check payable to "Wonderland" to Wonderland Multivintage 3731 Grand Blvd, Brookfield IL 60513.) Example: Tony Garmey, Triumph 250k, Bill Hart, Triumph Devin, killer Ferrari transport vehicle, 110' rig with 60'x40' cannopy. staying at hotel. Bill's Devin only in the garage = $50.00 sent to Wonderland Tony and Bill will both use the garage = $100.00 sent to Wonderland. C) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you are "Grandfathered in" to a spot far better than we are offering at this time because you have earned a high status among the RA elite and are a "shareholder with benefits." WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) Jock strap size c) When is the Wine and Cheese Party? d) which cheese will we be able to smell from the "EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK"? e) Submit an essay about "what it was like to race before electricity was invented". Cost is Zero, your spot is secured (but not by me) Unfortunately, you may need to walk or drive down a substantial hill to be with other Triumph people. If, by some chance, your concept of enjoying "the kastner cup" are not recognized by any of the above options, No Problem! Contact jason at multivintage.com with details and a custom plan will be made to accomodate your needs. Overview: this will be the best Kastner Cup yet! Sorry but I am unable to provide a photo of the garage structure in this email. If this is a critical point and you would like to see a photo of the garage building in question I could send you a photo attachment. Regardless, The Lester Garages and surrounding area will house the FOT for the entire weekend. This will be the HUB for Triumph activity. This will be the central area for poster signing/distribution of Triumph related materials. The Lester garages will serve as a resting place and center for invited guests of our group such as Kas and Peggy Kastner and All other FOT people. This garage and surrounding area will be a centralized location for all we are doing. It will be "THE TRIUMPH AREA" ...NICE!!! Triumph Group Tech will also happen in this area!!! Thursday eve. no matter what... if you are racing at this event, you must decide your paddock requirements and contact me with one of the choices listed above. Thank you very much! Adress all paddock questions and inquirys to me at jason at multivintage.com(no exceptions) and every attempt will be made to accomodate your needs. Jason Ostrowski Paddock Master 2013 Kastner Cup at RA. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Mar 29 07:30:56 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:30:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: <88AB0FE3-961E-464C-86E1-88A9704378D2@charter.net> I was one of those buck an hour kids working in a gas station. But I could put more than 5 gallons of gas in my 53 Ford for a buck. During the gas wars the price would drop under 19cents a gallon. My how times change. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing wage for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Times change, don't they? > Cheers, Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'Triumph Friends of'" > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > >> I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat >> next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for >> those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of gas. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM >> To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear >> >> Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about >> 1965 >> RB >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From donlbrick at mchsi.com Fri Mar 29 08:52:04 2013 From: donlbrick at mchsi.com (donlbrick) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:52:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: <3693CED026434EB7A27D783F1239DB1D@DONANDDAWN> I will definitely try to make the Fall Festival, we should have a good selection of cheese!!!! Don Brick ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: donlbrick at mchsi.com ; rdwismer at mchsi.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:04:37 AM Central Standard Time, yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes: I like to be surprised by the cheese selections... PS. Is Don Brick and his cheese coming? Come September, all will be welcomed to Road America and Wisconsin. Hence, lots of tasty cheese selections will surface. Don Brick, ex-Swiss Valley guru and arguably the best driver the Beady Eye tent ever produced, is still up, out and about. We'll sure try to encourage him to come. Regardless...the famous Swiss and awesome Mindoro Bleu will be there for sure. And of course, Wisconsin is also home to John Fridirici (a Grande Cheese honcho) and those tasty Italian cheeses. Not to worry, not to worry! Bill Dentinger From jkhagen at charter.net Fri Mar 29 09:06:50 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: <56f2c4cb.67403b.13db6afd9eb.Webtop.43@charter.net> Hoosier-Good and Bad--Was losing "small"!! amounts of air --could not find--later--found right out of the "sidewall" through the letters.--Hoosier replaced. John Hagen On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Bud R wrote: > I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't > provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some > praise for an outstanding vender. > > I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and > Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with > the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. > > Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the > air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company > that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. > It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus > on customer service and satisfaction. > > Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his > people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact > info. if you have tire needs. > > > Jeffrey A. Speer > Product Manager > > > 65465 US Hwy 31 > Lakeville, IN 46536 > www.hoosiertire.com > Phone: 574-784-3152 > Fax: 574-784-2385 > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From jkhagen at charter.net Fri Mar 29 09:13:27 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 Message-ID: <3e0744a9.674177.13db6b5e750.Webtop.43@charter.net> QH-Europe-was owned by Dana Corp a 15 Billion dollar company--went broke-I should know. John Hagen On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Quinton Hazell used to be the JC Whitney brand....how far we have > (not) > come!! > > Bob Kramer > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:30 AM, George Harmuth > wrote: > >> Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH >> parts >> are drying up, limited to stock on hand. >> Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like >> Chinese >> food, an hour later you need more. >> >> >> Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing >> >> > > http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closing > .html >> >> mike h >> >> >> G. Michael Harmuth >> Software Engineer >> Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services >> 845-894-8088 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Thu Mar 28 19:37:10 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:37:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> Message-ID: I say "1959 Triumph TR3a" and then start listing the modifications. About 10 minutes into the monologue and the clerk usually rolls his eyes and calls for a manager :-) Gano Sent from my iPad On Mar 28, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Bob Bownes - Seiri wrote: > My favorite answer for the make model year question is 1958 Wartburg. :) > > > On Mar 28, 2013, at 19:39, Larry Young wrote: > >> Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. After > asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry > those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. >> >> I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some times > I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on > at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will > take the time to match up what you want with what they have. >> Larry >> >> >> On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: >>> I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone > and >>> asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed > the >>> make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it > was >>> a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a >>> flat12 >>> And sat back to watch his head implode. >>> Jim g. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 28 21:25:47 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:25:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com><62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of gas. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about 1965 RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:07 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the station! >> >> >> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 08:14:30 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:04:37 AM Central Standard Time, yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes: > I like to be surprised by the cheese selections... > > PS. Is Don Brick and his cheese coming? > Come September, all will be welcomed to Road America and Wisconsin. Hence, lots of tasty cheese selections will surface. Don Brick, ex-Swiss Valley guru and arguably the best driver the Beady Eye tent ever produced, is still up, out and about. We'll sure try to encourage him to come. Regardless...the famous Swiss and awesome Mindoro Bleu will be there for sure. And of course, Wisconsin is also home to John Fridirici (a Grande Cheese honcho) and those tasty Italian cheeses. Not to worry, not to worry! Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 08:32:30 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Mar 28 13:08:12 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:08:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: <4E7FEA81-F217-4190-82ED-538D106E0D67@austin.rr.com> References: <4E7FEA81-F217-4190-82ED-538D106E0D67@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <00a901ce2be7$984a02b0$c8de0810$@rr.com> Well, speaking of JC Whitney......I recall when they had sets of AE Hepolite piston and liner sets for TR3 & 4s for the price of $120. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:43 PM To: George Harmuth Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 Quinton Hazell used to be the JC Whitney brand....how far we have (not) come!! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:30 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH > parts are drying up, limited to stock on hand. > Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like > Chinese food, an hour later you need more. > > > Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing > > http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closin g .html > > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > 845-894-8088 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 13:35:39 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Message-ID: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, kaskastner at gmail.com writes: > Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of > oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) > Kas... Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, if it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. Bill (Damdinger) From mdporter at dfn.com Fri Mar 29 15:07:41 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:07:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> Message-ID: <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, > kaskastner at gmail.com writes: > > >> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) >> > Kas... > > Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, if > it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we > expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All > things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. > > The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with the reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate the peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and withheld shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation (such as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi Arabia, it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing schedules considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. Within six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase in the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the embargo, gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in the low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ $2.25, adjusted for inflation. Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per bbl), which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London spot prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather than an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the spot market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher than the historical average. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Mar 29 15:55:23 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:55:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Shirt/Driver Update Message-ID: I finally got caught up with entering all the orders this week. As of today there are 58 shirts on order and 46 drivers planning on competing at Road America. I'm sure that number will increase as there are some regulars that I don't see on the list yet. If you sent me a shirt order or let me know you are planning on driving at the event you should have received back an acknowledgement email from me. Some of you who emailed me still owe me info. Please take care of that so I don't loose track. Still PLENTY of time to order event shirts and have your name added to the back of them. See you in September. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Mar 29 17:04:09 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:04:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <001201ce2cb1$485d7140$d91853c0$@rr.com> References: <001201ce2cb1$485d7140$d91853c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <0B82E9469F7B4C6FAAF83FA7FA72F7A6@Vista> And they also would fix flats for a buck. Joe c. -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing [mailto:Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 12:12 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com; william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Yep, and for that dollar they used to come out, put it in the tank, check the oil and clean the windshield......... oh, and smile while they did it. Long gone as is twenty some cent a gallon gas. I remember Sunoco 260 at .32 @ gallon. It was the real item, lead, octane and no methanol and the sporty cars thrived on it.......yep, long gone! Russ From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 29 17:26:15 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:26:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Shirt/Driver Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51562317.30007@bradakis.com> I will certainly be ordering a shirt. Maybe before I die I'll actually get it together and have my name on the shirt. Lovely spring weather here in Salt Lake, I want to drive about in a Triumph! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 29 18:44:41 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:44:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hitchin' a ride Message-ID: <51563579.8030304@bradakis.com> So the message about the T shirts for this year's event got me thinking. I was planning to fly back to Wisconsin for the event, but are there any west coast folks who plan to travel through Salt Lake on I 80 that might have room for a lazy, good for nothing freeloader to tag along? I recall setting up something like this for the Portland, Oregon event and then getting a bad case of shingles right before it. Fun. Anyway, it is still a few months out, just something to consider. mjb. From kaskastner at gmail.com Fri Mar 29 12:27:40 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:27:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:32 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, > william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > > > > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > > wage > > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > > > > Bill... > > You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking > my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my > 1951 Ford. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Mar 29 13:11:57 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201ce2cb1$485d7140$d91853c0$@rr.com> Yep, and for that dollar they used to come out, put it in the tank, check the oil and clean the windshield......... oh, and smile while they did it. Long gone as is twenty some cent a gallon gas. I remember Sunoco 260 at .32 @ gallon. It was the real item, lead, octane and no methanol and the sporty cars thrived on it.......yep, long gone! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:33 AM To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 14:20:48 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. John ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 29 16:04:40 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:04:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> Message-ID: <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the road to bankruptcy. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, >> kaskastner at gmail.com writes: >> >> >>> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >>> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) >>> >> Kas... >> >> Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, if >> it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we >> expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All >> things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. >> >> > > The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with the reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate the peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and withheld shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation (such as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: > > http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp > > If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi Arabia, it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing schedules considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. Within six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase in the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the embargo, gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in the low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ $2.25, adjusted for inflation. > > Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per bbl), which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London spot prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather than an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the spot market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher than the historical average. > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Mar 29 20:31:56 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:31:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: <20130328.203432.14315.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20130328.203432.14315.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: There used to be a Hylomar spray that went on kind of fluffy. I liked it but the cans clogged up the nozzles and/or the cans didn't work at all so they took it off the market. If it is anything like that I'd try it. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2013, at 12:34 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > I have never sprayed this particular type of product, so I don't know if it > sprays out like spray paint or undercoating. If like spray paint, then should > be able to get an even coat. Joe > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Barr, Scott" > To: 'Joe Boruch' > Cc: 'tom strange' > Subject: RE: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:26:26 +0000 > > Would you be able to apply this evenly enough to seal? > > I wonder whether this might be a nice adjunct to a copper gasket where used to > lower the compression ratio or clear piston pop-up, but where the copper > gasket isn't sealing well. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Joe Boruch > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 7:16 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating > > I have been debating the merits of coating a steel shim head gasket with a > Fluoroelastomer (Viton) coating. Cometic gaskets are Viton coated. There are > Fluoroelastomer coatings available in aerosol cans. Have any of you tried > anything like this? Joe(B) > ____________________________________________________________ > OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 > Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > ____________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 12:28:12 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:28:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 30 13:43:59 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:43:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com><607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <24D37624A92F401491E83C766F8C292A@Vista> Absolutely! I am sick and tired of hearing from a bunch of racist Obama haters. How quickly we forget what your beloved W did to our country! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:28 AM To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 30 14:18:43 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Ya! How about that new Pope?! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT of Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 30 14:24:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Files in contention at Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFFB9BC14D2E01-1D90-39818@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Keith File's son is entering his third year in the Clio Series and is a frequent pole sitter. Keith, AND COMPANY have their tickets and Osthoff reservations for the KCUP. How about that for a subject change......? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Josh Files Press Office To: n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:44 pm Subject: Files in contention at Brands Hatch Is this email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. Files in contention at Brands Hatch Team Pyrobs Josh Files made a positive start to his 2013 Renault UK Clio Cup campaign in qualifying today (Saturday, 30th March), ahead of Rounds 1 & 2 of the championship at Brands Hatch. The Vocalink backed driver, a renowned front-runner in Britainbs premier one-make saloon car championship, secured sixth position for Round 1 with a fastest lap time of 52.681 seconds, followed by a third fastest lap time of 52.701 seconds, for his second encounter at the 1.22 mile circuit situated in Kent. Speaking of his qualifying achievement, Files remains confident that he can make a strong start in the series that has propelled the likes of Tom Onslow-Cole, Dave Newsham and Aron Smith to the BTCC. bIbm feeling good about how the session went,b said Files. bI think that I drove well overall, but itbs just so close when we come and race here due to the lap being so short.b bMy aim for tomorrow is to put myself in contention for a podium finish in the first race, and really push for the win in the second. The car feels great and Ibm sure thatbs achievable.b The opening round of the 2013 Renault UK Clio Cup will get underway tomorrow (Sunday, 31st March), at 10.20, with Round 2 at 15.35. The second of the two races will be screened live on ITV4, ITV4 HD and can be streamed live at www.itv.com/btcc Follow Josh Files on: www.joshfiles.co.uk @JoshFiles Facebook.com/joshfilesracing For more information, please contact William Fewkes at BAM Motorsport Promotions: Tel: +44 (0)1442 891 500 Email: wfewkes at bam-promo.com Web: www.bam-promo.com follow on Twitter | friend on Facebook | forward to a friend Copyright B) 2013 BAM Motorsports Group, All rights reserved. From Josh Files PR Database Our mailing address is: BAM Motorsports Group 8 Akeman Street Tring, Eng HP23 6AA United Kingdom Add us to your address book unsubscribe from this list | update subscription preferences From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 30 14:27:49 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Message-ID: <8a10.4f622169.3e88a4c5@aol.com> How sick am I of hearing the epithet "racist" thrown at anybody that doesn't support Obummer. I remember when castigating Bush was "the highest form of patriotism". In a message dated 3/30/2013 12:46:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: Absolutely! I am sick and tired of hearing from a bunch of racist Obama haters. How quickly we forget what your beloved W did to our country! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:28 AM To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 30 14:39:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:39:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Now kids... Message-ID: <51574D64.2090309@bradakis.com> Behave yourselves, before I do something drastic like double your free subscription prices! mjb. From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 14:40:35 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:40:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Files in contention at Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <8CFFB9BC14D2E01-1D90-39818@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFFB9BC14D2E01-1D90-39818@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <42167AF7-4C96-4F00-B601-E127B49030A7@bnj.com> Looks like I'm coming to the KCUP with Peyote. I guess I better make a reserevation at the Osthoff. I committed to the FOT race some time ago with Tony Garmey though there was a chance I wouldn't be able to come. But it's looking good. On Mar 30, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Keith File's son is entering his third year in the Clio Series and is a > frequent pole sitter. > > Keith, AND COMPANY have their tickets and Osthoff reservations for the KCUP. > > How about that for a subject change......? > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Files Press Office > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:44 pm > Subject: Files in contention at Brands Hatch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this email not displaying > correctly? > View it in your browser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Files in contention at Brands Hatch > Team Pyrobs Josh Files made a positive start to his 2013 Renault UK Clio > Cup campaign in qualifying today (Saturday, 30th March), ahead of Rounds 1 & 2 > of the championship at Brands Hatch. > > The Vocalink backed driver, a renowned front-runner in Britainbs premier > one-make saloon car championship, secured sixth position for Round 1 with a > fastest lap time of 52.681 seconds, followed by a third fastest lap time of > 52.701 seconds, for his second encounter at the 1.22 mile circuit situated in > Kent. > > Speaking of his qualifying achievement, Files remains confident that he can > make a strong start in the series that has propelled the likes of Tom > Onslow-Cole, Dave Newsham and Aron Smith to the BTCC. > > bIbm feeling good about how the session went,b said Files. bI think > that I drove well overall, but itbs just so close when we come and race here > due to the lap being so short.b > > bMy aim for tomorrow is to put myself in contention for a podium finish in > the first race, and really push for the win in the second. The car feels great > and Ibm sure thatbs achievable.b > > The opening round of the 2013 Renault UK Clio Cup will get underway tomorrow > (Sunday, 31st March), at 10.20, with Round 2 at 15.35. > > The second of the two races will be screened live on ITV4, ITV4 HD and can be > streamed live at www.itv.com/btcc > > Follow Josh Files on: > www.joshfiles.co.uk > @JoshFiles > Facebook.com/joshfilesracing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For more information, please contact William Fewkes at > BAM Motorsport Promotions: > Tel: +44 (0)1442 891 500 > Email: wfewkes at bam-promo.com > Web: www.bam-promo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow on Twitter | friend on Facebook | forward to a friend > > > > > > Copyright B) 2013 BAM Motorsports Group, All rights reserved. > From Josh Files PR Database > Our mailing address is: > > BAM Motorsports Group > 8 Akeman Street > Tring, Eng HP23 6AA > United Kingdom > > Add us to your address book > > > > > > > > > > > unsubscribe > from this list | update subscription preferences > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Mar 30 14:41:51 2013 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:41:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Now kids... In-Reply-To: <51574D64.2090309@bradakis.com> References: <51574D64.2090309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I'll second THAT! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 30, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Behave yourselves, before I do something drastic like double your > free subscription > prices! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Mar 30 15:36:24 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 17:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ya change the subject. Maybe Calendar Girls :) Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-30, at 2:31 PM, "Duncan Charlton" wrote: > Can we switch to religion now? > Alonzo Quijada > > On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, >> we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the >> road to bankruptcy. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Mar 30 20:35:32 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:35:32 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR brake caliper bracket options Message-ID: does anyone know of any alternative brackets to make it easier to mount non- standard front brake calipers like Willwood or brembos??. I have the facilities to make whatever i want, but sometimes when you are in a hurry, its just easier to buy thanks, Terry From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Mar 30 23:14:01 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 01:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> We still pay less for gas than most our neighbors around the pond. So don't cry yet. Bob T -----Original Message----- From: John Wagner To: BillDentin ; william.tobin31 ; spitlist ; fot Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. John ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 06:04:00 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 05:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1364731440.58313.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ I worked at a gas station in the 70's when I was in high school but I don't remember the price of oil or gas. What I DO remember is cleaning the windshields of girls in mini-skirts. It took longer than the normal windshield but they were spotless when they drove off. Mike Ya change the subject. Maybe Calendar Girls :) Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-30, at 2:31 PM, "Duncan Charlton" _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 31 07:56:26 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:56:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] K. Cup 2013 Message-ID: As of this morning we surpassed last years Mitty entrants. There are currently 53 folks who have expressed their intentions of competing at the 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America and there is still 4 months to go. If you are planning on attending and have not done so yet, get me your name car number and model so I can include it on the shirt back. no commitment required, we can add or remove names just before I place the order. It just makes planning a bit easier. Thanks, From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 08:02:50 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 07:02:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <1364731440.58313.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> <1364731440.58313.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5158420A.2000703@gmail.com> On 3/31/13 5:04 AM, Mike Munson wrote: > ________________________________ > > I worked at a gas station in the 70's > when I was in high school but I don't remember the price of oil or gas. > What I > DO remember is cleaning the windshields of girls in mini-skirts. > It took > longer than the normal windshield but they were spotless when they drove off. And I remember hitchhiking back in the early '70's wearing a very mini skirt. The guy who stopped to give me a lift was driving a Europa. I think he just wanted to see how a young woman with a 34 inch inseam and about the shortest miniskirt you could sit in and not get arrested was going to climb down into a Europa. He got lots a leg but I did know how to get into and out of Little British sports cars without showing more. Mostly I remember my first ride in a Europa. Back in the days of service stations I discovered that if I paid attention to the attendant and smiled I always knew all the car's fluids were full, the tyre pressures were correct and every window was clean when I drove off. These days with cars you just drive for 10-15 years until they break then just throw them away even the service bays are things of the long ago past. TeriAnn From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Mar 31 08:34:16 2013 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 08:34:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> References: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01ce2e1c$d32c7070$79855150$@hot-tr6.com> Actually the price of gas is virtually the same anywhere around the globe. It is just the socialist taxes that added on top of the price of gas varies the pump price. Just ask California. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear We still pay less for gas than most our neighbors around the pond. So don't cry yet. Bob T -----Original Message----- From: John Wagner To: BillDentin ; william.tobin31 ; spitlist ; fot Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. John ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From igofaster at att.net Sun Mar 31 09:29:06 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1364743746.39685.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Happy Easter to my FoT family... Bobby ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 3:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Ya! How about that new Pope?! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT of Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Mar 30 16:37:12 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:37:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" To: "Michael Porter" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down > the > road to bankruptcy. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > >> On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >>> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, >>> kaskastner at gmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>>> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >>>> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the > inflation) >>>> >>> Kas... >>> >>> Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, > if >>> it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we >>> expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. >>> All >>> things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. >>> >>> >> >> The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is > looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a > barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local > taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with > the > reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate > the > peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and > withheld > shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation > (such > as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: >> >> http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp >> >> If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi >> Arabia, > it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the > establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing > schedules > considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a > wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. > Within > six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was > $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase > in > the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the > embargo, > gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in > the > low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ > $2.25, > adjusted for inflation. >> >> Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined > products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per > bbl), > which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London > spot > prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather > than > an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in > production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the > spot > market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and > inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher > than > the historical average. >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> -- >> >> >> Michael Porter >> Roswell, NM >> >> >> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From bownes at seiri.com Sun Mar 31 09:08:52 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:08:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <000e01ce2e1c$d32c7070$79855150$@hot-tr6.com> References: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> <000e01ce2e1c$d32c7070$79855150$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <03EEC2FB-CE0B-4575-850C-BD8F4B8DF7B9@seiri.com> Arn't any of you guys going racing or somethin? I need to get a bit of paint on the car, mount up a fresh set of Hoosiers, drop a battery in her and go play! On Mar 31, 2013, at 10:34, "Walter Hollowell" wrote: > Actually the price of gas is virtually the same anywhere around the globe. > It is just the socialist taxes that added on top of the price of gas varies > the pump price. Just ask California. > Walt Hollowell > Albuquerque, New Mexico > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > We still pay less for gas than most our neighbors around the pond. So > don't cry yet. > > Bob T > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Wagner > To: BillDentin ; william.tobin31 > ; spitlist ; fot > > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:21 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > > When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I > worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. > > > John > > ________________________________ > From: "BillDentin at aol.com" > > To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] > Stations of yesteryear > > In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, > william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > > >> In a way I long for > those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing >> wage >> for teens was > $1.00 an hour! >> When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... > > You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking > my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my > 1951 Ford. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 09:29:04 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:29:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <063F80F9-345F-4410-8BE4-329CCF1E4604@yahoo.com> If I remember right, the strength of our dollar determines how much we pay for oil. A weaker dollar means a higher price for oil and at the pump. When our economy is doing well, gas prices are less. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Mar 29, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of oil, > not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:32 AM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, >> william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: >> >> >>> In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing >>> wage >>> for teens was $1.00 an hour! >>> When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. >> >> Bill... >> >> You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking >> my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my >> 1951 Ford. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Mar 30 19:43:28 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:43:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> Message-ID: Good Lord...... I made no personal remark about the Pres. Where did you come up with that idea? He could be purple and it wouldn't make any difference to me. It's his & the fellow liberals' policies that are driving us to bankruptcy, you must realize his spending cannot continue. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2013, at 6:37 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. > End of rant. Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" > To: "Michael Porter" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > >> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, >> we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the >> road to bankruptcy. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Michael Porter wrote: >> >>> On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >>>> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, >>>> kaskastner at gmail.com writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >>>>> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the >> inflation) >>>> Kas... >>>> >>>> Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, >> if >>>> it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we >>>> expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All >>>> things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. >>> >>> The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is >> looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a >> barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local >> taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with the >> reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate the >> peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and withheld >> shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation (such >> as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: >>> >>> http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp >>> >>> If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi Arabia, >> it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the >> establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing schedules >> considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a >> wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. Within >> six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was >> $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase in >> the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the embargo, >> gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in the >> low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ $2.25, >> adjusted for inflation. >>> >>> Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined >> products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per bbl), >> which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London spot >> prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather than >> an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in >> production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the spot >> market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and >> inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher than >> the historical average. >>> >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Michael Porter >>> Roswell, NM >>> >>> >>> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >> distance.... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Mar 31 09:58:30 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:58:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <1364743746.39685.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> <1364743746.39685.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F04B5B-A9DD-4BB7-9F2A-CE981785F092@gdhs.com> Now here's a great change of subject! Back to you Bobby & to all. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Happy Easter to my FoT family... Bobby > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 3:18:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Ya! How about that new Pope?! > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT of > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:31 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > > Can we switch to religion now? > Alonzo Quijada > > On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, >> we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the >> road to bankruptcy. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From igofaster at att.net Sun Mar 31 13:39:21 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> Message-ID: <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. From rwestfall at ymail.com Sun Mar 31 13:44:06 2013 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364759046.25383.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Here here! I love to rant and talk politics but here is not the place. We all love Triumphs and racing, lets enjoy the one place we don't have to listen to the "spin" Happy Easter to all! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > From: Bobby Whitehead > Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday > To: "FoT Triumph" > Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 7:39 PM > Obama is our President case closed... > BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying > for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS > Easter Sunday, a day > to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this > is the last day I > think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... > we've got MSNBC and > FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... > > Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking > a ham, drinking a > beer, and celebrating being free... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Tobin > To: John Hasty ; > Michael Porter > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, > have come back and > then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his > clusterf**k in Iraq. When I > hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood > boils. And I heard it > recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, > Obama is indeed your > president. Live with it. > End of rant. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com From spitlist at cox.net Sun Mar 31 13:46:41 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:46:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com><607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com><72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Mar 31 16:48:46 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Easter Sunday Message-ID: <1364770126.73321.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/31/13, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" , "Joe Curry" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 5:47 PM I second the idea to stop this rant on our list. I don't care which Boob in D.C you care for or don't care for. We have little to say in where the boat is floating and who is manning the rudder. The people in D.C. do not answer to us, so there is no need for this rant here. Happy Resurrection Day! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Joe Curry wrote: From: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 2:46 PM Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 31 17:36:27 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:36:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just not from Permatex or Valco: http://goo.gl/jE4dw http://goo.gl/mvKDc -- Randall From Janzen at REcatalyst.com Sun Mar 31 19:02:17 2013 From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:02:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Even if we disagree on politics - Message-ID: I think we have religion in common. I myself pray regularly to Our Lady of Eternal Combustion. I'm thinking about having a bumper sticker made up: "I give generously to Our Lady of Eternal Combustion" or is that internal? Probably not eternal with a LBC! From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 19:09:52 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 18:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <1364778592.44307.YahooMailNeo@web162504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> If you are using a shim gasket, may I recommend GM Goodwrench gasket sealing compound. We super glue .020 or less soft copper wire in the outer rings and with a small sponge paint roller apply the gsc. It looks like, an has the consistency of Carmel topping. Its Been holding High comp. chevys together since the 60's. Good Stuff and not that expensive. John Wagner Just the wrench From: Randall To: Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just not from Permatex or Valco: http://goo.gl/jE4dw http://goo.gl/mvKDc -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com From kkjjk at aol.com Sun Mar 31 19:23:37 2013 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364770126.73321.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364770126.73321.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFFC8EAB608D43-5E0-428BA@webmail-m292.sysops.aol.com> Agreed. Christ is Risen. Let us rejoice and be glad in it...............Save the politics for another venue............ -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: FOT Sent: Sun, Mar 31, 2013 6:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Easter Sunday --- On Sun, 3/31/13, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" , "Joe Curry" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 5:47 PM I second the idea to stop this rant on our list. I don't care which Boob in D.C you care for or don't care for. We have little to say in where the boat is floating and who is manning the rudder. The people in D.C. do not answer to us, so there is no need for this rant here. Happy Resurrection Day! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Joe Curry wrote: From: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 2:46 PM Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 19:36:40 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 18:36:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: <1364778592.44307.YahooMailNeo@web162504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <1364778592.44307.YahooMailNeo@web162504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Pay attention here. The sticky part matters not much, but the copper wire literely seals the deal. Ho Ho Ho. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:09 PM, John Wagner wrote: > If you are using a shim gasket, may I recommend GM Goodwrench gasket > sealing compound. > We super glue .020 or less soft copper wire in the outer > rings and with a small sponge paint > roller apply the gsc. It looks like, an > has the consistency of Carmel topping. Its Been holding > High comp. chevys > together since the 60's. Good Stuff and not that expensive. > > > John > Wagner > Just the wrench > From: Randall > To: > Cc: > fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] > Head Gasket Coating > > FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just > not from Permatex or > Valco: > http://goo.gl/jE4dw > http://goo.gl/mvKDc > > -- > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 13:55:38 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:55:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364759046.25383.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364759046.25383.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Angie's baking scalloped potatoes, ham, homemade cheesecake, some new spicy green bean recipe, and a fruit and marshmallow salad. Some of you met her in Topeka at the Kastner Cup getting lots of autographs. She also helps with the car... Lucky to be free and have a great partner to enjoy this life and the next. I may have an adult beverage, but first I am going out to the garage to pull that old Paeco cam I destroyed last season... We are that stage where we have young working adults and no grandkids. Easter will be a lot more active in a few years... Happy Easter to all of you. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Mar 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Russell Westfall wrote: > Here here! I love to rant and talk politics but here is not the place. We all > love Triumphs and racing, lets enjoy the one place we don't have to listen to > the "spin" > Happy Easter to all! > > --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday >> To: "FoT Triumph" >> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 7:39 PM >> Obama is our President case closed... >> BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying >> for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS >> Easter Sunday, a day >> to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this >> is the last day I >> think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... >> we've got MSNBC and >> FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... >> >> Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking >> a ham, drinking a >> beer, and celebrating being free... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bill Tobin >> To: John Hasty ; >> Michael Porter >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear >> >> Sorry, can't resist. >> My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, >> have come back and >> then some under President Obama. >> And your grandchildren will still be paying for his >> clusterf**k in Iraq. When I >> hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood >> boils. And I heard it >> recently. >> Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, >> Obama is indeed your >> president. Live with it. >> End of rant. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sun Mar 31 13:56:45 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com><607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com><72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364759805.54676.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK, let's get back to Triumphs. This group does much better with Triumphs than politics. ________________________________ From: Joe Curry To: Bobby Whitehead ; FoT Triumph Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:46:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From bkahler1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 14:36:54 2013 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:36:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe, take the hint and shut up. On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Bobby, > Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in > years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on > the > national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for > what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and > outright lies at worst. > > Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what > suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. > > The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society > with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all > the > while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would > affect their bloated budget. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM > To: FoT Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday > > Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be > paying > for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, > a > day > to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day > I > > think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC > and > FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... > > Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, > drinking > a > beer, and celebrating being free... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Tobin > To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back > and > then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. > When I > hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard > it > > recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed > your > president. Live with it. > End of rant. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Mar 31 16:47:38 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1364770058.54064.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I second the idea to stop this rant on our list. I don't care which Boob in D.C you care for or don't care for. We have little to say in where the boat is floating and who is manning the rudder. The people in D.C. do not answer to us, so there is no need for this rant here. Happy Resurrection Day! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Joe Curry wrote: From: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 2:46 PM Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 31 18:58:58 2013 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (J. Wagner) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:58:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: great job guys... bring politics into the FoT and do it on Easter... it has Zero place in FoT posts... Zero. I don't care who started it... just learn to let it go. Nothing is gained by a pissing match here... and ultimately... there is much to lose. On Mar 31, 2013, at 12:46 PM, "Joe Curry" wrote: > Bobby, > Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in > years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the > national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for > what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and > outright lies at worst. > > Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what > suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. > > The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society > with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the > while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would > affect their bloated budget. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM > To: FoT Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday > > Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be > paying > for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a > day > to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I > > think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC > and > FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... > > Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking > a > beer, and celebrating being free... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Tobin > To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back > and > then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. > When I > hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it > > recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed > your > president. Live with it. > End of rant. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From igofaster at att.net Fri Mar 1 07:50:08 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 06:50:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA and CVAR at Austin Texas COTA Message-ID: <1362149408.27341.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> did not know if this had been shared on the channel.... I copied the message from our group with CVAR We have finally been released to start organizing for what looks like will be a huge vintage event. If you are anticipating that you would like to be a part of this race, please go to www.svra.com, click on Events, and under National Championship, click on "Pre-Registration", and follow the instructions. You will get to a page to fill out Pre-Registration information. This is not a formal registration or a commitment to register, but it is important for you to pre-register so that we can start figuring out the logistics for this race. The deadline for pre-registration is April 15, so, if you are interested, please get this done as soon as you can. Where there is a blank that says "SVRA License #", put in your CVAR license number. Also fill out the next two blanks where it asks for another license number and club affiliation. It is important that you indicate you are a CVAR member since SVRA and CVAR members will have top priority. Filling out your car information is also very important and will help with grouping of cars and the overall organization of the weekend. More information will be forthcoming when we have more details, but suffice it to say that this is a work in progress. About all that is firm right now is the date and the track, but at least we are moving ahead. Dan Ruehs President CVAR Inc. Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Fri Mar 1 09:31:45 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:31:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open Message-ID: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> looks like my fellow Texas Friends of Triumph got front page listing for 2013 Mitty! Bob Kramer on the left and Greg Blake on the right...not too shabby! Bobby Whitehead ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Historic Sportscar Racing To: igofaster at att.net Sent: Fri, March 1, 2013 9:47:43 AM Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open HSR The Mitty. Registration open THE MITTY APRIL 26-28. 2013 FEATURING CAN-AM AND MG REGISTER ON-LINE Do the Mitty like a rock star with one of our VIP tickets: * VIP Super Ticket for Friday, Saturday and Sunday * VIP parking pass * VIP parking area near the Classic Motorsports tent * Classic Motorsports lanyard and VIP ticket holder * Coupon redeemable at the Classic Motorsports booth for an official 2013 Mitty program * VIP viewing areas with shade and water available * Touring laps Friday and Sunday * Access to the Friday and Saturday night HSR driverbs dinner and party * Access to the Classic Motorsports appreciation party * VIP paddock tours led by the Classic Motorsports staff * An entire weekend of historic racing, racing celebrities, ride and drives, and fantastic cars! Tickets will be mailed by April 1, 2013. * Price: $119 each + $3.00 shipping & handling. * To purchase and view other ticket options, * follow the link at the top of the page or phone (678) 428-7651. * Road Atlanta has been home to the Classic Motorsports Mitty since its inception, and therebs no better place or time to enjoy a motorsports daydream. Join us April 26-28, 2013, for a long weekend of action both on and off the track. HSR handles the on-track action, while the Classic Motorsports staff organizes the infield festivities. David Hobbs, our grand marshal, has run nearly everything: Can-Am, Indy, Formula 1, Formula 5000, Trans-Am, NASCAR, IMSA GTP, IROC and so much more. In recent years, he has anchored America's Formula 1 TV coverage. The 2013 Mittybs featured marque will be MG. Bring your roadster: Webll have a contest to see if we can get more MGs or Miatas on track during Saturdaybs lunch break. Bring your earplugs, too: Webll have a reunion of the classic Can-Am race series. Youbll see all your favorite food groups at speed: Shelby, Porsche, Triumph, Jaguar, MG, Alfa Romeo, Corvette, BMW, Mini, Mazda, Nissan and so many more. Jack Higginbotham, president of PRS Guitars, will play a set with his band on Saturday night! PRS Guitars also will also present a custom guitar to the owner of the hardest-rocking car at the event. Thatbs not the only fanfare scheduled for the weekend. The Mittybs infield will feature car club corrals, free test drives, tech talks, magazine project cars, evening socials and so much more. Even if youbre not a competitor, you can get your car in on this world-famous racing circuit by participating in one of the weekendbs parade laps. ________________________________ Click to view this email in a browser If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this message with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on the following link: Unsubscribe Click here to forward this email to a friend Historic Sportscar Racing. P.O. Box 8110 Clearwater, Florida 33758-8110 US Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Mar 1 12:39:07 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:39:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: VR1 In-Reply-To: <5F7E7DF4-D549-4E42-B854-8126AFACB294@austin.rr.com> References: <1362084341.24476.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5F7E7DF4-D549-4E42-B854-8126AFACB294@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001ce16b4$71427c30$53c77490$@com> Thanks for the tip! I just went down and picked up 2 cases of 12 from the local O'Reilly's. Saved $50. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: VR1 VR1 on sale , whoopee! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Robert Blake > Date: February 28, 2013, 1:45:41 PM MST > To: Bob Kramar , 'William Collins' , Duncan Charlton , "jhovey1 at sbcglobal.net" > Subject: VR1 > Reply-To: Robert Blake > > O'Reilly's has VR1 20-50 on sale for 3.99/qt starting today through Mar 31st. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Mar 1 20:11:05 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 03:11:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks Message-ID: <20130301.221105.15919.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> I have been using the Hoosier radial slick on my EP Honda. Others in EP have been using the radial slicks, but I have not tried them yet on my TR3. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:46:29 -0500 (EST) Hi, This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? My earlier questions were based on this tire (un)availability. I have to get ready to buy my tires for 2013 and I have no idea what to do at this stage except break down and switch to 10 inch rims. I know this is currently illegal in Prod, but if there's no tires available - then what? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Mar 2 07:48:31 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:48:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open References: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nuttin' in my email box from those guys...I'm thinking I must be persona-non-grata with HSR. I leave a couple pounds of busted up cast iron and a couple of quarts of oil on their track, and I get snubbed. :-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Historic Sportscar Racing > To: igofaster at att.net > Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > HSR The Mitty. Registration open > From igofaster at att.net Sat Mar 2 12:02:58 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:02:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] forged pistons GT6 Message-ID: <1362250978.66611.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> looking for forged pistons for my GT-6+ build 020 or 030 over.... Bobby Whitehead From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 1 21:07:18 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 23:07:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks In-Reply-To: <20130301.221105.15919.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20130301.221105.15919.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <11B474B3-1860-45DE-AFA5-44E88C43EEB6@gdhs.com> I use the Speedsters on my TR3A the work fine Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 3:11 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > I have been using the Hoosier radial slick on my EP Honda. Others in EP have > been using the radial slicks, but I have not tried them yet on my TR3. > Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:46:29 -0500 (EST) > > Hi, > > This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... > > I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have > it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is > going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on > what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any > SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? > > My earlier questions were based on this tire (un)availability. I have to > get ready to buy my tires for 2013 and I have no idea what to do at this > stage except break down and switch to 10 inch rims. I know this is > currently illegal in Prod, but if there's no tires available - then what? > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From JWILEY at CENTENE.COM Sat Mar 2 18:29:04 2013 From: JWILEY at CENTENE.COM (John Wiley) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 01:29:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open In-Reply-To: References: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <6949E57D-4A1E-4D8D-9443-8F680280B07F@CENTENE.COM> Some people are so sensitive! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:09 AM, "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" wrote: > Nuttin' in my email box from those guys...I'm thinking I must be > persona-non-grata with HSR. > > I leave a couple pounds of busted up cast iron and a couple of quarts of oil > on their track, and I get snubbed. :-) > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobby Whitehead" > Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > > > >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> From: Historic Sportscar Racing >> To: igofaster at att.net >> Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open >> HSR The Mitty. Registration open > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwiley at centene.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication contains information intended for the use of the individuals to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from other disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any disclosure, printing, copying, distribution or use of the contents is prohibited. If you have received this in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or by returning it by return mail and then permanently delete the communication from your system. Thank you. From igofaster at att.net Sun Mar 3 08:52:27 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:52:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FoT for life In-Reply-To: <4061BD87C37E44EA9CF70108EB3DDF81@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1362250978.66611.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4061BD87C37E44EA9CF70108EB3DDF81@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1362325947.3628.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> this is a response to Henry but I feel compelled to share the response and reply to the group.... Henry....after your group 'threatened' me in Atlanta,,,that I was 'one of us' I knew in my heart , although crushed I was not on track, that I would re-build.. I never really explored really far into what happened other than #2 piston just totally came apart into 1000 pieces..it was a stock piston and I had just run my best weekend ever at TWS in February so maybe it was dialed in to the brink of internal explosion... I have found a really good builder in Oklahoma that builds for Larry Young.. a forged crank is out of the question unless I do a one off but I am using forged pistons (2-4 weeks to produce) ((thanks STEVE and TED)) and I have procured forged rods... I really don't care if I'm mid-pack or last place as long as I can be with me extended family... I'll share a picture with you after this message but my fellow Texas FoT'ers bought the poster of Triumphs on the Track at the Mitty 2012... the signed it framed it and presented it to me last weekend at TWS.. Greg Blakes wife Allison clipped a picture of my GT6 off my facebook page and tagged it to the framed picture...like I was on track... it was kind of cute..the presentation shows all the cars going to the right... my pic was me going to the left... Greg and Bob Kramer presented the gift with the statement... "when you bought the GTA car we thought you "left" us (my car is going left in the Pic) ...cute huh? I cried a bit as it was very emotional... I was at the track this last weekend with the GTA car but the Group8 CVAR proposed is a real cluster bomb.. I ran friday only , one session, and had a small electrical fire, but my whole purpose was to spend the weekend with my Texas FoT family and crew and wrench.. which I did... we did pull a head and replace a head gasket saturday night on Bob Blakes TR4.. he got his first checked flag Sunday he's had in 18 months...so there was that. We had another TR4 come in with the nephew of the driver who drove the car at Daytona in 1966... Bob Kramer has his red TR4 and a blue TR4 his son drives that were both at Daytona the same year this new driver's Uncle's car was there.. I don't believe all three were on the track at the same time but all three were there at the event... pretty cool... Our tech inspector had brought a clapped out trailer with three TR6 engines that had been setting in remiss (outdoors) for 20 odd years... one had a gearbox.. $100 for everything... Kramer and I both kind of passed but noted the gearbox was probably worth salvaging... The new TR4 driver (nephew) at the driving school lost some bearings in the OD gearbox they were trying to run. His dad was wrenching the crap out of it when we mentioned the clapped out $100 Triumph bin that showed up near tech.. sure enough, they pulled the Tranny of the rusted iron, opened up the top box and dang... it looked pretty good... so.. dad did install the $100 find and his son did finish the weekend at speed...so there was THAT... you know,,, typical Triumph racing weekend.... the best of times... All the best Henry... I ain't going nowhere.... Bobby From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Mar 3 09:52:15 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:52:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Header flange Message-ID: Amici I have a header (4-2-1) that needs a flange. Is there someone out there that has one I can weld to the header? Or do I have to break out my mad metal skills and make one? From tr6nut at verizon.net Sun Mar 3 10:23:00 2013 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Header flange In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <513386F4.9070500@verizon.net> Christopher, If you are referring to a flange to attach the header to the exhaust system, Summit Racing has them. If you are referring to the flange that bolts to the engine, I don't have a clue where you would find one. Hugh Barber On 3/3/2013 11:52 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have a header (4-2-1) that needs a flange. Is there someone out there that > has one I can weld to the header? > > Or do I have to break out my mad metal skills and make one? > _ From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 2 16:34:34 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 17:34:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open Message-ID: <728190.94090.bm@smtp105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Could someone send me a copy of the 'front page' I must have sent mine to the trash. Thanks Dennis -----Original Message----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" Sent: b3/b1/b2013 1:26 PM To: "Bob Kramer" ; "Bob Kramer" ; "Greg & Alison Blake" ; "Greg Blake" ; "Greg Blake" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open looks like my fellow Texas Friends of Triumph got front page listing for 2013 Mitty! Bob Kramer on the left and Greg Blake on the right...not too shabby! Bobby Whitehead ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Historic Sportscar Racing To: igofaster at att.net Sent: Fri, March 1, 2013 9:47:43 AM Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open HSR The Mitty. Registration open THE MITTY APRIL 26-28. 2013 FEATURING CAN-AM AND MG REGISTER ON-LINE Do the Mitty like a rock star with one of our VIP tickets: * VIP Super Ticket for Friday, Saturday and Sunday * VIP parking pass * VIP parking area near the Classic Motorsports tent * Classic Motorsports lanyard and VIP ticket holder * Coupon redeemable at the Classic Motorsports booth for an official 2013 Mitty program * VIP viewing areas with shade and water available * Touring laps Friday and Sunday * Access to the Friday and Saturday night HSR driverbs dinner and party * Access to the Classic Motorsports appreciation party * VIP paddock tours led by the Classic Motorsports staff * An entire weekend of historic racing, racing celebrities, ride and drives, and fantastic cars! Tickets will be mailed by April 1, 2013. * Price: $119 each + $3.00 shipping & handling. * To purchase and view other ticket options, * follow the link at the top of the page or phone (678) 428-7651. * Road Atlanta has been home to the Classic Motorsports Mitty since its inception, and therebs no better place or time to enjoy a motorsports daydream. Join us April 26-28, 2013, for a long weekend of action both on and off the track. HSR handles the on-track action, while the Classic Motorsports staff organizes the infield festivities. David Hobbs, our grand marshal, has run nearly everything: Can-Am, Indy, Formula 1, Formula 5000, Trans-Am, NASCAR, IMSA GTP, IROC and so much more. In recent years, he has anchored America's Formula 1 TV coverage. The 2013 Mittybs featured marque will be MG. Bring your roadster: Webll have a contest to see if we can get more MGs or Miatas on track during Saturdaybs lunch break. Bring your earplugs, too: Webll have a reunion of the classic Can-Am race series. Youbll see all your favorite food groups at speed: Shelby, Porsche, Triumph, Jaguar, MG, Alfa Romeo, Corvette, BMW, Mini, Mazda, Nissan and so many more. Jack Higginbotham, president of PRS Guitars, will play a set with his band on Saturday night! PRS Guitars also will also present a custom guitar to the owner of the hardest-rocking car at the event. Thatbs not the only fanfare scheduled for the weekend. The Mittybs infield will feature car club corrals, free test drives, tech talks, magazine project cars, evening socials and so much more. Even if youbre not a competitor, you can get your car in on this world-famous racing circuit by participating in one of the weekendbs parade laps. ________________________________ Click to view this email in a browser If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this message with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on the following link: Unsubscribe Click here to forward this email to a friend Historic Sportscar Racing. P.O. Box 8110 Clearwater, Florida 33758-8110 US Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Sun Mar 3 08:56:33 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:56:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open In-Reply-To: <6949E57D-4A1E-4D8D-9443-8F680280B07F@CENTENE.COM> References: <1362155505.20753.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <6949E57D-4A1E-4D8D-9443-8F680280B07F@CENTENE.COM> Message-ID: Darn Henry you are so accomadating to their event, leaving them oil and such, HSR.. is that hot soaked race track....have to admit it was alot of fun...I also haven't seen much on the event..guess I will have to look it up and see what these Texas guys are doing, the group I saw at VIR sure had it together , they darn near had their rigs in a circle like a western and the biggest tent that I have ever seen at the track yet ! a bunch of really nice racers. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:29 PM, John Wiley wrote: > Some people are so sensitive! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:09 AM, "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" < > yellow04 at tr4racer.com> > wrote: > > > Nuttin' in my email box from those guys...I'm thinking I must be > > persona-non-grata with HSR. > > > > I leave a couple pounds of busted up cast iron and a couple of quarts of > oil > > on their track, and I get snubbed. :-) > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bobby Whitehead" > > Subject: [Fot] Fw: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > > > > > > > >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- > >> From: Historic Sportscar Racing > >> To: igofaster at att.net > >> Subject: HSR The Mitty. Registration open > >> HSR The Mitty. Registration open > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwiley at centene.com > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication contains information > intended for the use of the individuals to whom it is addressed > and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or > exempt from other disclosure under applicable law. If you are > not the intended recipient, you are notified that any disclosure, > printing, copying, distribution or use of the contents is prohibited. > If you have received this in error, please notify the sender > immediately by telephone or by returning it by return mail and then > permanently delete the communication from your system. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 3 14:34:12 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:34:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs Message-ID: Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on a TR3/4 crank? Thanks, From deruiterville at hotmail.com Sun Mar 3 18:25:25 2013 From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:25:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marty- 1/4 NPT - I bought flush mount plugs from McMaster, pn 4534K42 and they worked well for me. Randy > From: trmarty at hotmail.com > Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on a > TR3/4 crank? From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sun Mar 3 22:50:16 2013 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch Message-ID: Dear Listers! Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted gracefully! Many thanks Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 4 10:54:21 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:54:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net> , Message-ID: Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. Awesome old shots. Even some Kastner cars. Marty http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Mar 4 11:38:39 2013 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:38:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net>, , , , Message-ID: How 'bout Mark Donahue and His Elva Courier in there.....................Cheers Henry Morrison > From: trmarty at hotmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:54:21 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome > > Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. Awesome old > shots. Even some Kastner cars. > > Marty > > > > > > > > http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From mdporter at dfn.com Mon Mar 4 12:15:16 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 12:15:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net>, , , , Message-ID: <5134F2C4.3080706@dfn.com> On 3/4/2013 11:38 AM, Henry Morrison wrote: > How 'bout Mark Donahue and His Elva Courier in > there.....................Cheers Henry Morrison > Not to mention a shot of James Dean with the 550 Spyder in which he was killed. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Mar 4 12:30:55 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:30:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net> , Message-ID: <8FC88F0D-8A02-42AE-8E9C-380DF2A09208@comcast.net> Great pics Marty thanks for sharing. I love the ice racer and the Tasty Tasty t-shirts. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Mar 4, 2013, at 10:54 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. > Awesome old > shots. Even some Kastner cars. > > Marty > > > > > > > > http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Mar 3 19:12:12 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:12:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs References: Message-ID: Marty, if you need a tap, let me know, I probably have several. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy and Valerie DeRuiter" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs > Marty- > > 1/4 NPT - I bought flush mount plugs from McMaster, pn 4534K42 and they > worked well for me. > > Randy > >> From: trmarty at hotmail.com >> Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on >> a >> TR3/4 crank? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Mar 4 14:28:46 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:28:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Cars in Kodachrome In-Reply-To: <8FC88F0D-8A02-42AE-8E9C-380DF2A09208@comcast.net> References: <82DCFD44-7CB7-43A6-A91D-D64525E8FB7D@charter.net> <8FC88F0D-8A02-42AE-8E9C-380DF2A09208@comcast.net> Message-ID: there are some good pictures here...good history On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Bud R wrote: > Great pics Marty thanks for sharing. > > I love the ice racer and the Tasty Tasty t-shirts. > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2013, at 10:54 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > > Get prepared to be glued to your computer for the next hour. > > Awesome old > > shots. Even some Kastner cars. > > > > Marty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21791.0 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Mar 4 18:46:44 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:46:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> common trade name Hollow Hex plug. Parker number 1/4 HHP-S ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter ; trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs Marty, if you need a tap, let me know, I probably have several. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy and Valerie DeRuiter" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 crank plugs > Marty- > > 1/4 NPT - I bought flush mount plugs from McMaster, pn 4534K42 and they > worked well for me. > > Randy > >> From: trmarty at hotmail.com >> Anybody know off the top of their head what the size is of the 4 plugs on a >> TR3/4 crank? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Mar 5 14:59:11 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 16:59:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3.89 spit diff Message-ID: Amici, I have a 3.89 spitfire diff up for sale. $50 plus shipping. Came out of a 74 spit 1500 was quiet and smooth when removed. Diff is in Bridgeville, DE 19933. However it can be in New Jersey 08360 or along the way with enough time. Contact me off list if interested. I have pictures. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 5 16:10:55 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 00:10:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition Promotion Video In-Reply-To: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201ce19f6$b247c420$16d74c60$@com> Have fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RStast23_DE Cheers Chris From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Mar 6 09:46:15 2013 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (K LYNCH) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sad news Message-ID: Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around 9:30 MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had suffered quite enough. Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 GT6 for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a penchant for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ Kev Lynch #6 GT6 RMVR From rjohns at woh.rr.com Tue Mar 5 16:33:19 2013 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:33:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Vintage racing photos Message-ID: Subject: Vintage racing photos Very interesting bunch of old photos. I am sure you all recognize Carroll Shelby in the various photos, including Le Mans. I wonder how many recognize Colin Chapman in the photo of the Lotus-Ford at Indianapolis. A couple good shots of the old Ring. That shot of the GP car with its rear wheels so high off the surface is at the Nurburg Ring. Bob Johns From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 06:08:35 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:08:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition Promotion Video In-Reply-To: <003201ce19f6$b247c420$16d74c60$@com> References: <1362448004.46180.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <003201ce19f6$b247c420$16d74c60$@com> Message-ID: Nice footage..the track looks fun too On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:10 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Have fun: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RStast23_DE > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Wed Mar 6 13:09:45 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:09:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Network outage Message-ID: <5137A289.3000202@bradakis.com> Had a network outage last night. I took advantage of the downtime to do a bit of work on the server, got the forums [ link below ] working once again. mjb. From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Mar 6 13:16:13 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:16:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: RIP Clive - although I haven't been back to Colorado to visit with Clive in many years, I still treasure the times that I did get to spend with him. John On Wed, March 6, 2013 11:46 am, K LYNCH wrote: > Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around > 9:30 > MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had > suffered quite enough. > Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 > GT6 > for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. > He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a > penchant > for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. > We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the > Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ > > Kev Lynch > #6 GT6 > RMVR > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Mar 6 13:24:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:24:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFE8BFC784FB36-1B94-6101@webmail-d187.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Kevin, We never met, but talked on the phone in recent months, and he spoke proudly of Ashley and her taking over driving the GT6. We hope this legacy may continue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com John On Wed, March 6, 2013 11:46 am, K LYNCH wrote: > Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around > 9:30 > MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had > suffered quite enough. > Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 > GT6 > for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. > He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a > penchant > for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. > We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the > Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ From spitlist at cox.net Wed Mar 6 13:36:10 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:36:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sad news In-Reply-To: <8CFE8BFC784FB36-1B94-6101@webmail-d187.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFE8BFC784FB36-1B94-6101@webmail-d187.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I bought one of Clive's CV-Joint conversions and between the two of us, strengthened it so that it would handle the 240 HP of my Honda engine. He was a pleasure to work with and a real gentleman. RIP Clive! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:25 PM To: klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sad news Thanks Kevin, We never met, but talked on the phone in recent months, and he spoke proudly of Ashley and her taking over driving the GT6. We hope this legacy may continue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com John On Wed, March 6, 2013 11:46 am, K LYNCH wrote: > Some of you already know, but we lost Clive Averill last night @ around > 9:30 > MST. I'm sure the 'Chief Steward' upstairs felt he & his poor family had > suffered quite enough. > Clive was one of the original members of RMVR & campaigned his Silver #33 > GT6 > for many years, being driven presently by Ashley his daughter. > He was a Navy Vet, devoted Husband, Father, & Grandfather who had a > penchant > for Civil War history & took part in re-enactments from time to time. > We will miss his quiet demeanor & knowledge of the marque here in the > Colorado/Rocky Mountain West. God speed my friend ~ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Mar 5 17:22:39 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 00:22:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch Message-ID: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> I use a double disc 7.25 Quartermaster in my TR3 with great results. Tried using a single disc unit. It lasted a season but found cracks in the disc upon removal. Went back to using double disc. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 Dear Listers! Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted gracefully! Many thanks Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ 30-second trick for a flat belly This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body's #1 fat-burning hormone http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51368c85353f5c850b74st03duc From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 6 18:33:35 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 20:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch In-Reply-To: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> SPEC stage 3 paddle works great in my TR3A Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > I use a double disc 7.25 Quartermaster in my TR3 with great results. Tried > using a single disc unit. It lasted a season but found cracks in the disc > upon removal. Went back to using double disc. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > To: > Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch > Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 > > Dear Listers! > > > > Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" > Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? > > > > Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some > combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted > gracefully! > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > 30-second trick for a flat belly > This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body's #1 fat-burning hormone > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51368c85353f5c850b74st03duc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Mar 7 22:51:00 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 00:51:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tattle tale Message-ID: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Hi All, are any of the guys using a Tattle Tale in your oiling system? A setup where the oil comes from the pump to a screen and then to the cooler, filter, etc. The Tattle Tale can be taken apart and the screen checked for debris from the engine, indicating a possible impending problem. I talked to Les Gonda, who runs an MGB GT V8, very quickly, I might add, and he swears by it. Thanks, Bill From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 8 05:22:33 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 07:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tattle tale In-Reply-To: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Message-ID: We run one on Jeff's TR3. It's part of our daily track service routine to check it. It's an invaluable diagnostic tool and if checked on a schedule can be the difference between a minor refresh and a major failure. Terry Stetler From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Mar 8 11:21:40 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 10:21:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] tattle tale In-Reply-To: References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Message-ID: <513A2C34.4030401@comcast.net> I use a System One inline filter on the Spitfire in addition to the normal filter. A few years back, I spun a bearing shortly after a rebuild. I was concerned that there may have been some residual debris in one of the oil lines even though they were flushed thoroughly. I installed a new oil cooler, but also wanted to make certain that there wasn't some debris left over from it's manufacturing. I installed the System One just before the oil goes back into the engine. I did catch some miniscule particles the first time or two I ran the engine. It's been totally clean since then, but it is reassuring. From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Mar 7 15:15:03 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:15:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch In-Reply-To: <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> References: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> Message-ID: I run a dual disc 7.25" Tilton because a single disc wouldn't hold on my TR6. You may want to consider the 5.5 if you can get the proper torque values with them. Follow directions CLOSELY when setting the pedal travel stop and alignment of the transmission. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 On Mar 6, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Hasty wrote: > SPEC stage 3 paddle works great in my TR3A > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > >> I use a double disc 7.25 Quartermaster in my TR3 with great results. Tried >> using a single disc unit. It lasted a season but found cracks in the disc >> upon removal. Went back to using double disc. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Peter Vucinic" >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch >> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:50:16 +1100 >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> >> >> Wondering if any of you are CURRENTLY or HAVE run 2.5l TR6/GT6 with a 5.5" >> Clutch pack. E.g. Quartermaster or Tilton etc.? >> >> >> >> Looking at fitting one of these to my TR6 project race car, so seeking some >> combined wisdom of the group! Good or Bad experiences! All accepted >> gracefully! >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Peter Vucinic >> >> TR-4 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> 30-second trick for a flat belly >> This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body's #1 fat-burning hormone >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51368c85353f5c850b74st03duc >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 7 19:10:32 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 20:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Spring race report "delayed" Message-ID: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> We had a very exciting weekend at Texas World Speedway for CVARs Spring drivers school weekend Feb 22-24. CVAR politics aside, it was a great weekend. We had a record number (I believe) Triumphs participating. The list included: Bob Fire Ball Kramer - TR4a Andrew Smokey Kramer - TR4 Bob sticky piston Blake - TR4 Greg Blake - TR3  cant nick name myself I am sure someone will offer one Bill dip stick Collins - Spit Joe fiddle bits Hovey - Spit Jim Lee and son Philip - TR4 Philip was taking drivers school so no nick name yet Dave Foreman  Spit also taking drivers school Duncan Charlton - Morgan Piers Gormly  Morgan that looked somewhat similar to a green 911 this weekend for some reason And of course Bobby lefty Whitehead in his super powered monster car. We strongly encouraged Bobby to get that GT6 back into shape. Bobby already posted a pretty good recap of the weekend, to summarize, it was great. From my perspective there were several significant things that made this weekend so special. First, CVAR decided to break up group 7 which typically has CP, DP, and BS. DP and BS went to group 2 which is the home to EP and FP along with a few others. This meant that we had all of the Triumphs (except those in school) on track at the same time. The second thing was that sticky piston Blake finally got a checkered flag in the Sunday PM race. For most of us that have had the good fortune of the TR gods looking over our engines and keeping them together this does not seem like some great accomplishment. Well, for dad, it was. This was the first checkered flag in 18 months. In the past 18 months the engine has been out for full rebuild twice, head off countless times, and liners/pistons replaced multiple times. He seemed to have solved the sticky piston issue he was having and finally made it through a weekend. We were all very excited to see him take the checkered on Sunday afternoon. I am looking forward to watching dad get more seat time and less wrench time, it is well over due. Some of you will remmebr he got only 7 or 8 laps at Road Atlanta back in April. The group 2 races were fun. Saturday morning I was having trouble getting any temperature into my engine and only did one full lap during P&Q. This led to a fun back of the pack start for the race. Video link I had to cut the video in editing so it ends right after making the pass of the B Sedan. Not much in the race happened after this. I eventually caught but could not safely pass a BDA powered Escort. Fireball bought some new tires on Saturday evening and was ready for battle on Sunday morning. About > through the race my mirror was filled with Bobs grill, I knew he was coming. Turn 14 and I found myself watching the mirror and my normal breaking point was a distant memory when I finally clamped the binders. I went a little deep. I recovered only for a horrible entry to 15 and I went 4 off to the outside after being unable to coax the overwhelmed front tires to turn in. Since this was the penultimate lap, and I was right at the entry to the hot pits, I went in. I later told Bob that he was the reason for my first 4 off in the TR3. Needless to say he was all too happy to have assisted in that effort. Video link . I was ready for a rematch in the afternoon when it seemed fate took another turn with Dads car. There were electrical issues brewing and a quick look around we found a half melted battery in the trunk. Apparently the positive post did not like to be in contact with the metal hold down strap. Dad had a minor off of his own earlier and we figured the battery moved around a bit. We quickly loaded my car on the trailer and put my battery in dads car so he could get more seat time. That turned out to be a great choice since he finally got his checkered in that last Sunday race. A great weekend in all. We welcomed 2 new TR racers to the TxFOT, removed two transmissions, fixed two rear mounts, changed a head gasket, removed a broken ring gear, re-plumbed two cooling systems, swapped a battery, swapped a clutch slave cylinder, and fixed a smoky TR4. Oh and we watched Piers simply climb in that 911 and turn the key From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 7 21:20:24 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 22:20:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Spring race report "delayed" In-Reply-To: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> Message-ID: I was a little pesky looking in the mirrors. I wasnt happy you went off, just happy to get by. In the video it looks like you had a chance to save it. I promise I wouldnt have hit you! Gad you moved the camera for video 2 -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake [mailto:ablake2 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 8:11 PM To: 'Triumph Friends of' Cc: 'Robert Blake'; 'Bob Kramer'; 'Bobby Whitehead'; 'Piers Gormly'; 'Joe Hovey'; 'William Collins'; 'Duncan Charlton'; 'Dave Foreman' Subject: CVAR Spring race report "delayed" We had a very exciting weekend at Texas World Speedway for CVARs Spring drivers school weekend Feb 22-24. CVAR politics aside, it was a great weekend. We had a record number (I believe) Triumphs participating. The list included: Bob Fire Ball Kramer - TR4a Andrew Smokey Kramer - TR4 Bob sticky piston Blake - TR4 Greg Blake - TR3  cant nick name myself I am sure someone will offer one Bill dip stick Collins - Spit Joe fiddle bits Hovey - Spit Jim Lee and son Philip - TR4 Philip was taking drivers school so no nick name yet Dave Foreman  Spit also taking drivers school Duncan Charlton - Morgan Piers Gormly  Morgan that looked somewhat similar to a green 911 this weekend for some reason And of course Bobby lefty Whitehead in his super powered monster car. We strongly encouraged Bobby to get that GT6 back into shape. Bobby already posted a pretty good recap of the weekend, to summarize, it was great. From my perspective there were several significant things that made this weekend so special. First, CVAR decided to break up group 7 which typically has CP, DP, and BS. DP and BS went to group 2 which is the home to EP and FP along with a few others. This meant that we had all of the Triumphs (except those in school) on track at the same time. The second thing was that sticky piston Blake finally got a checkered flag in the Sunday PM race. For most of us that have had the good fortune of the TR gods looking over our engines and keeping them together this does not seem like some great accomplishment. Well, for dad, it was. This was the first checkered flag in 18 months. In the past 18 months the engine has been out for full rebuild twice, head off countless times, and liners/pistons replaced multiple times. He seemed to have solved the sticky piston issue he was having and finally made it through a weekend. We were all very excited to see him take the checkered on Sunday afternoon. I am looking forward to watching dad get more seat time and less wrench time, it is well over due. Some of you will remmebr he got only 7 or 8 laps at Road Atlanta back in April. The group 2 races were fun. Saturday morning I was having trouble getting any temperature into my engine and only did one full lap during P&Q. This led to a fun back of the pack start for the race. Video link I had to cut the video in editing so it ends right after making the pass of the B Sedan. Not much in the race happened after this. I eventually caught but could not safely pass a BDA powered Escort. Fireball bought some new tires on Saturday evening and was ready for battle on Sunday morning. About > through the race my mirror was filled with Bobs grill, I knew he was coming. Turn 14 and I found myself watching the mirror and my normal breaking point was a distant memory when I finally clamped the binders. I went a little deep. I recovered only for a horrible entry to 15 and I went 4 off to the outside after being unable to coax the overwhelmed front tires to turn in. Since this was the penultimate lap, and I was right at the entry to the hot pits, I went in. I later told Bob that he was the reason for my first 4 off in the TR3. Needless to say he was all too happy to have assisted in that effort. Video link. I was ready for a rematch in the afternoon when it seemed fate took another turn with Dads car. There were electrical issues brewing and a quick look around we found a half melted battery in the trunk. Apparently the positive post did not like to be in contact with the metal hold down strap. Dad had a minor off of his own earlier and we figured the battery moved around a bit. We quickly loaded my car on the trailer and put my battery in dads car so he could get more seat time. That turned out to be a great choice since he finally got his checkered in that last Sunday race. A great weekend in all. We welcomed 2 new TR racers to the TxFOT, removed two transmissions, fixed two rear mounts, changed a head gasket, removed a broken ring gear, re-plumbed two cooling systems, swapped a battery, swapped a clutch slave cylinder, and fixed a smoky TR4. Oh and we watched Piers simply climb in that 911 and turn the key From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 05:26:58 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:26:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 5.5 Race Clutch In-Reply-To: References: <20130305.192239.25239.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <406F0CAC-5F34-4428-A6C7-33A88EDA90F1@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8DCB1240-E5F8-4BD8-85EF-6E24E672DBA1@yahoo.com> Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 On Mar 7, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > I run a dual disc 7.25" Tilton because a single disc wouldn't hold on my TR6. You may want to consider the 5.5 if you can get the proper torque values with them. Follow directions CLOSELY when setting the pedal travel stop and alignment of the transmission. > > Mike Munson > #28 EP TR6 From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 10:09:35 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:09:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CVAR Spring race report "delayed" In-Reply-To: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> References: <001f01ce1ba2$1d7e9550$587bbff0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <623DB52B-E73B-4F68-B8F8-05409E7ADBEE@gmail.com> Nice overtake of Andrew's smoker on the outside at turn 7. Duncan From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 8 11:41:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:41:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: NEW FOT Lister JON GANNAWAY TR4/TR6 San Francisco Area In-Reply-To: <8CFEA3A0F31373F-19A0-13076@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFEA3A0F31373F-19A0-13076@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFEA43BD621584-19A0-144F0@webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot ; jgannaway Sent: Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:32 am Subject: NEW FOT Lister JON GANNAWAY TR4/TR6 San Francisco Area Please welcome Jon Gannaway from California (jgannaway at calstar.org) I believe that Jon raced a Spitfire at one time. I believe that Jon currently owns a TR4 that once was owned by his father. Jon also has a TR6 that he is preparing for vintage racing with his son. He plans to prepare it modestly and to CSRG specs....kind of like Bill Tobin, methinks. This is our kind of guy..... Thank you....I am sure that Jon will add to or correct my introduction when he is ready. Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 8 18:06:30 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:06:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 seat pans? Message-ID: <513A8B16.9040903@bradakis.com> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=142 mjb. From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Mar 8 18:43:53 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 17:43:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Adjusting front camber on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> Message-ID: <1362793433.12371.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I can't find the email now but an FOTer told be me a simple way to get negative camber. I believe it is to reverse the upper wishbone and I believe it gives approx. 2 1/2 degrees of negative camber. Right now I have 3/4 degree of negative camber using shims and I am getting considerable wear on the outside shoulder of my tires. My TR6 is used exclusively for autocrossing and an occasional hillclimb with no street use. What is the maximum camber I should have without causing issues? Also, what are the issues that start happening with extreme camber (2 1/2 to 3 degrees)? Thanks for any help on this. Jim From goodparts at verizon.net Fri Mar 8 21:00:39 2013 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 23:00:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting front camber on a TR6 In-Reply-To: <1362793433.12371.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <0CD898FFC7EF4B459A2BF219F6E929F7@hpd530> <1362793433.12371.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring. Richard Good -------------------------------------------------- From: "sherry robyn" Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:43 PM To: Subject: [Fot] Adjusting front camber on a TR6 > I can't find the email now but an FOTer told be me a simple way to get > negative > camber. I believe it is to reverse the upper wishbone and I believe > it gives > approx. 2 1/2 degrees of negative camber. Right now I have 3/4 > degree of > negative camber using shims and I am getting considerable wear on > the outside > shoulder of my tires. My TR6 is used exclusively for > autocrossing and an > occasional hillclimb with no street use. What is the > maximum camber I should > have without causing issues? Also, what are the > issues that start happening > with extreme camber (2 1/2 to 3 degrees)? Thanks > for any help on this. Jim > _______________________________________________ From JGannaway at calstar.org Fri Mar 8 22:22:33 2013 From: JGannaway at calstar.org (Jon Gannaway) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 05:22:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Message-ID: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions would be helpful. Jon Gannaway 831-402-4080 Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Mar 9 09:35:38 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:35:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Message-ID: <7bd6.5e1c31c0.3e6cbeda@cs.com> Jon, We (and several others) have sectioned the wishbones to shorten and adjust to about 2.5 degrees, as I remember it. On the other end of the spectrum, Gary Horskorta (in your neighborhood) developed fixturing to produce a fully adjustable upper A-arm. If you scroll to the bottom, you will see "Archive: http://www.team.net/archive". This subject has come up several times and you may be able to glean some information from there. I dont know what Dave Hogye did, but whatever it was, it would be first cabin. He might jump in on this The list seems a bit quiet right now with folks getting ready for the season. Welcome aboard to the FOT.. Hop on a plane with your son and join us at Road America in September. We will be all paddocked together in what seems to be the best Kastner Cup we have ever had. A lot of activities, track touring, notables from all over North America, and about 10-15 Triumph guys from Europe and the U.K. Memorable. Joe (A) > I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for > simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions > would be helpful. > > Jon Gannaway > 831-402-4080 > > > _____ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > > From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 9 12:14:09 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 13:14:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calst ar.corp> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> Message-ID: What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. Tony Richard's message if you missed it: "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for >simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions >would be helpful. > >Jon Gannaway >831-402-4080 > > >Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents >accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but >not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 >and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the >individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are >not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly >authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents >of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have >received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by >sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of >this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Mar 9 12:39:31 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 19:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <7bd6.5e1c31c0.3e6cbeda@cs.com> Message-ID: <828964708.357742.1362857971765.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello Jon, Welcome to the FoT. Thanks Joe, for linking me in to this topic. I too would scan the archives for suspension information. First and foremost, all TR3/4 suspension modifications involve switching to TR4A/TR6 upper A-arms and 3 degree caster trunnion. I believe the early TR4s had the 0 degree trunnion as did the TR2/3. Jon, if that's what is on your car, it has to be changed. Tony Drews documented this extensively on his website, tonydrews.com. Tony changes everything to TR4A/TR6, including the upright. The through bolt trunnion is one of the best aspects of this change. This trunnion makes further adjustments and servicing much easier. I used the RevingtonTR adjustable fulcrum pivot on my TR3. I thought it was a good compromise to the cut and shut a-arm method and adjustable rod end type. However, I do think that the adjustable rod end is the best way to go and that is what Gary has fine tuned. I know that a few others have used the rod end modification, including uncle jack. The Revington TR fulcrum pin spaces the a-arms outward and I had a clearance issue on the inner wheel well body work on my TR3. I trimmed the pin as much as I could beyond the Nyloc nut fastener and tweaked the body work slightly. With the outward spacing on the a-arms they use spacers on each side of the ball joint. This can cause clearance problems between the a-arm and the wheel. I experienced this on one side and made further adjustments. I know a TR2 and a TR3 racer that use the Revington design, they race with HMSA. Come to think of it, these guys should be in the FoT. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: JGannaway at calstar.org, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:35:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Jon, We (and several others) have sectioned the wishbones to shorten and adjust to about 2.5 degrees, as I remember it. On the other end of the spectrum, Gary Horskorta (in your neighborhood) developed fixturing to produce a fully adjustable upper A-arm. If you scroll to the bottom, you will see "Archive: http://www.team.net/archive". This subject has come up several times and you may be able to glean some information from there. I dont know what Dave Hogye did, but whatever it was, it would be first cabin. He might jump in on this The list seems a bit quiet right now with folks getting ready for the season. Welcome aboard to the FOT.. Hop on a plane with your son and join us at Road America in September. We will be all paddocked together in what seems to be the best Kastner Cup we have ever had. A lot of activities, track touring, notables from all over North America, and about 10-15 Triumph guys from Europe and the U.K. Memorable. Joe (A) > I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for > simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions > would be helpful. > > Jon Gannaway > 831-402-4080 > > > _____ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sat Mar 9 18:58:38 2013 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:58:38 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> Message-ID: Have a look at the MOSS 1.5 DEG Negative Camber Vertical links. TT3003 Easy and cost effective! Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jon Gannaway Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 4:23 PM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions would be helpful. Jon Gannaway 831-402-4080 Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 09:42:45 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:42:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> <20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. Larry On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as > well. > > Tony > > Richard's message if you missed it: > "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the > control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I > remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing > the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts > holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball > joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin > the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other > side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but > reverses the fulcrum. > > Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I > run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on > 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my > unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt > holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires > off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 > degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I > backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to > a slightly stiffer spring." > > At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am >> looking for >> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any >> suggestions >> would be helpful. >> >> Jon Gannaway >> 831-402-4080 >> >> >> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the >> documents >> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, >> including, but >> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability >> Act of 1996 >> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the >> use of the >> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. >> If you are >> not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not >> properly >> authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >> disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the >> contents >> of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If >> you have >> received this information in error, please notify the sender >> immediately by >> sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the >> deletion of >> this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 12:24:01 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:24:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <513CB149.30507@sri.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp> <20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <513CB149.30507@sri.com> Message-ID: <513CCFC1.40007@pobox.com> Here is a photo of some upper A arms I did to give 2 degrees negative camber on my TR3 (now John Hasty's) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/53707928 at N02 Cut off the end, drill new holes at the correct location. The short piece of pipe supports the hole that is not on the flat part. This looks much nicer than cutting a piece out of the middle and welding them back together. From geometric calculations it takes about 0.174 inches to change the camber 1 degree. I believe this agrees with the numbers that Richard Good had in his post. Larry On 3/10/2013 11:14 AM, Cregg Cowan wrote: > Yes, please do send or post photos. > Thank you! > > Cregg From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 12:29:34 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:29:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <513CD10E.5030209@pobox.com> I believe this was intended for the list. I accidentally send to the sender all the time -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:58:16 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: Larry Young I was probably the first to turn the upper "A" arm fulcrum around back in 1958 trying to get some negative camber. This move does not give enough change in the camber. You just about have the wheel straight up only, eleminating the factory setting of positive camber. In the end I had to bend the verticle link to get the desired two degrees negative. I describe several other methods of achieving a negative camber in my first book, the Triumph Preparation Handbook, try pages 202-205 for some more information.. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Larry Young > wrote: It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. Larry On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. Tony Richard's message if you missed it: "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions would be helpful. Jon Gannaway 831-402-4080 Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun Mar 10 16:35:08 2013 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:35:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> Message-ID: <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 deg. positive. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 > It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a > TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it > takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 > degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have > to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the > suspension on my TR3 (see > http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat > way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that > does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is > interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that > do not permit Heim joints, etc. > Larry > > On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >> What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as >> well. >> >> Tony >> >> Richard's message if you missed it: >> "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control >> arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my >> calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms >> from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the >> tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole >> assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees >> then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps >> the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. >> >> Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run >> for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" >> rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my >> unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt >> holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off >> and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees >> but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off >> to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly >> stiffer spring." >> >> At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >>> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking >>> for >>> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any >>> suggestions >>> would be helpful. >>> >>> Jon Gannaway >>> 831-402-4080 >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the >>> documents >>> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >>> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, >>> including, but >>> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act >>> of 1996 >>> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use >>> of the >>> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If >>> you are >>> not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not >>> properly >>> authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >>> disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the >>> contents >>> of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you >>> have >>> received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately >>> by >>> sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the >>> deletion of >>> this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 17:36:59 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:36:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <513D191B.7080508@pobox.com> My TR3 had the original suspension A arm system before with 0 caster. If you Iook at my report, I measured something a bit less than 2 degrees camber and not the same from side to side. I chaulked that up to wear and tear. I did not see an appreciable change in the camber when I switched to the the TR4 A arms with 3 degrees of caster. Also, the amount I had to shorten the A arms agreed with the value I calculated from measurements, i.e. 0.174 inches/deg. I thought the change in the stock camber started with the adjustable camber system installled in the TR4A. I haven't researched this, so perhaps someone else has some verification. Larry On 3/10/2013 5:35 PM, Stutzmans wrote: > Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to > what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions > (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 > deg. positive. > Bruce From mark at bradakis.com Mon Mar 11 18:40:59 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:40:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Clive Message-ID: <513E799B.8000808@bradakis.com> I liked the posts about Clive on facebook, nicely done. mjb. From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 10 18:40:37 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:40:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> Message-ID: <513D2805.1010801@pobox.com> I think that is the same software I used. I did not find an appreciable difference between the two methods (shortening the A arms or moving the pivots inwards). You don't really need suspension software to look at this simple stuff. I found a spreadsheet agreed with it and was not as cumbersome. On 3/10/2013 7:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:I > According to the analysis I did with my suspension software (SuspPro) the most useful way to change camber on a TR3 is to move the upper arms inward and kee.p them the same length. I use the TR6 bits to get caster and cut the upper arms to add heim joints to make an adjustable arm, but the length is close to stock, just has the pivot moved inwards. > > If you shorten the upper A arms you wind up with a lot of camber at full bump. It's also pretty hard to get the bump steer out with shorter arms, the outer pivot point moves well inside the lower pivot. From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 13:06:42 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:06:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <513CD10E.5030209@pobox.com> References: <513CD10E.5030209@pobox.com> Message-ID: *Never be beaten by equipment.* > I was probably the first to turn the upper "A" arm fulcrum around back > in 1958 trying to get some negative camber. This move does not give > enough change in the camber. You just about have the wheel straight up > only, eleminating the factory setting of positive camber. > In the end I had to bend the verticle link to get the desired two > degrees negative. I describe several other methods of achieving a > negative camber in my first book, the Triumph Preparation Handbook, > try pages 202-205 for some more information.. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Larry Young > wrote: > > It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber > for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 > degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a > little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as > many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote > a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see > http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is > a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob > Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a > photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not > obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. > Larry > > On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the > TR-4 as well. > > Tony > > Richard's message if you missed it: > "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the > control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber > if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without > removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four > bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through > the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the > fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the > whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the > front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. > > Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's > that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are > 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the > tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and > then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I > just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly > even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the > inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees > to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer > spring." > > At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: > > I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I > am looking for > simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. > Any suggestions > would be helpful. > > Jon Gannaway > 831-402-4080 > > > Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or > the documents > accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain > confidential health > information that is legally protected by state and federal > law, including, but > not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and > Accountability Act of 1996 > and related regulations. This information is intended only > for the use of the > individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is > addressed. If you are > not the intended recipient of this information, or if you > are not properly > authorized to receive this information, you are hereby > notified that any > disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in > reliance on the contents > of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly > prohibited. If you have > received this information in error, please notify the sender > immediately by > sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for > the deletion of > this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any > attached documents. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 10 13:01:41 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:01:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 Message-ID: I had this mod done on my first TR4. The idea was from Graham Davies, a british car mechanic who used to have a shop here in Austin. He mocked it up on the car to get the desired camber, drilled holes and cut the tubes to fit and bolted it all together to a loose ball joint to spot weld. Once you round off the corners with a grinder it looks OEM. I'm about to embark in this mod on my son's car when I convert the suspension to TR6. Bob Kramer Sent from my Samsung Galaxy TabLarry Young wrote:Here is a photo of some upper A arms I did to give 2 degrees negative camber on my TR3 (now John Hasty's) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/53707928 at N02 Cut off the end, drill new holes at the correct location.B The short piece of pipe supports the hole that is not on the flat part. This looks much nicer than cutting a piece out of the middle and welding them back together. From geometric calculations it takes about 0.174 inches to change the camber 1 degree.B I believe this agrees with the numbers that Richard Good had in his post. Larry On 3/10/2013 11:14 AM, Cregg Cowan wrote: > Yes, please do send or post photos. > Thank you! > > Cregg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 18:06:07 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:06:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> According to the analysis I did with my suspension software (SuspPro) the most useful way to change camber on a TR3 is to move the upper arms inward and keep them the same length. I use the TR6 bits to get caster and cut the upper arms to add heim joints to make an adjustable arm, but the length is close to stock, just has the pivot moved inwards. If you shorten the upper A arms you wind up with a lot of camber at full bump. It's also pretty hard to get the bump steer out with shorter arms, the outer pivot point moves well inside the lower pivot. On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Stutzmans" wrote: > Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 deg. positive. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 > > >> It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. >> Larry >> >> On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >>> What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> Richard's message if you missed it: >>> "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. >>> >>> Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." >>> >>> At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >>>> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for >>>> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions >>>> would be helpful. >>>> >>>> Jon Gannaway >>>> 831-402-4080 >>>> >>>> >>>> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents >>>> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >>>> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but >>>> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 >>>> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the >>>> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. 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He is a member of VTR and TRA, and an expert and concurs judge on originally items on TR2s and TR3s. I think we should invite him to join us on the list. He will be a strong contributing member. Bob Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Kelley To: Robert Johns Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:17 PM Subject: Simplified Triumph History A little late and very simple. There is some disagreement on the exact dates. 1984 Siegfried Bettmann arrives in London 1985 Bettmann becomes a salesman for the White Sewing Machine Co. 1986 Williams Andrews Co in Birmingham builds "Triumph" bicycles for Bettmann 1987 Bettmann with Mauritz Schulte starts building Triumph bicycles in Coventry 1895 Dunlop invests in Triumph 1903 Start production of motorcycles 1911 Bettmann helps Reginald Maudslay regain control of Standard Motor Co as chairman. 1913 Bettmann becomes Lord Mayor Coventry 1923 Start production of cars in Coventry 1931 Bicycle business is sold off mid-1930's Donald Healy provides technical know-how. 1936 Car production and Motorcycles split Bettmann comes out of retirement to manage the motorcycles. 1939 Triumph is bankrupt 1940 Triumph is bought by Thomas Ward Ltd. Nov 24, 1944 Standard Motor Co buys Triumph 1951 Bettmann dies From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Mar 11 19:51:51 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Simplified Triumph History from Jeff Kelly In-Reply-To: <84F65CEEECC34AD19E6E3B608E366583@Bucktailus> References: <84F65CEEECC34AD19E6E3B608E366583@Bucktailus> Message-ID: <8CFECDB4C8FB20E-EE8-4BD29@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> Bring Jeff Kelly On! I see an asset here. Bob, you need to supply Jeff's email address to Mark Bradakis. We will be looking forward to seeing you both at the KASTNER CUP. We need to get the word out to TRA, as well..... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Johns To: FOT team Cc: Joe Alexander Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:42 pm Subject: Fw: Simplified Triumph History from Jeff Kelly When the question came up recently of the connection between Triumph Motorcycles and Cars, I asked the judgment of a friend of ours, that strongly supports FOT. He is a member of VTR and TRA, and an expert and concurs judge on originally items on TR2s and TR3s. I think we should invite him to join us on the list. He will be a strong contributing member. Bob Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Kelley To: Robert Johns Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:17 PM Subject: Simplified Triumph History A little late and very simple. There is some disagreement on the exact dates. 1984 Siegfried Bettmann arrives in London 1985 Bettmann becomes a salesman for the White Sewing Machine Co. 1986 Williams Andrews Co in Birmingham builds "Triumph" bicycles for Bettmann 1987 Bettmann with Mauritz Schulte starts building Triumph bicycles in Coventry 1895 Dunlop invests in Triumph 1903 Start production of motorcycles 1911 Bettmann helps Reginald Maudslay regain control of Standard Motor Co as chairman. 1913 Bettmann becomes Lord Mayor Coventry 1923 Start production of cars in Coventry 1931 Bicycle business is sold off mid-1930's Donald Healy provides technical know-how. 1936 Car production and Motorcycles split Bettmann comes out of retirement to manage the motorcycles. 1939 Triumph is bankrupt 1940 Triumph is bought by Thomas Ward Ltd. Nov 24, 1944 Standard Motor Co buys Triumph 1951 Bettmann dies From mark at bradakis.com Mon Mar 11 20:52:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:52:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Simplified Triumph History from Jeff Kelly In-Reply-To: <8CFECDB4C8FB20E-EE8-4BD29@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> References: <84F65CEEECC34AD19E6E3B608E366583@Bucktailus> <8CFECDB4C8FB20E-EE8-4BD29@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <513E9850.9090803@bradakis.com> Joe Alexander wrote: > Bring Jeff Kelly On! I see an asset here. > > Bob, you need to supply Jeff's email address to Mark Bradakis. > > Yes, please do. And I fixed some of the typos in the archived copy of the message. mjb. From jsnook at wcnet.org Tue Mar 12 08:41:47 2013 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:41:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Sold at Gooding Auction for $55K! Message-ID: <00d401ce1f2f$b9e1ccb0$2da56610$@org> WOW, it looks really nice, but jeez! Auction madness? http://www.goodingco.com/car/1957-triumph-tr3-0 Gooding & Company Auction at Amelia Island this past weekend. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 12 23:15:01 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:15:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Forums Message-ID: <51400B55.6080103@bradakis.com> I have fixed the problem with new registrations for the forums [ link below ] so those who are not already registered can sign up. mjb. From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Mar 13 10:06:24 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare Message-ID: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) Looking for some advice on keeping a spare engine. Is it must to finish a season? Should I have one done for me? Should I have the head done and build block myself? How long would it take? I have a complete spare (hasn't run in a long time) Not looking for anything extreme, just a good strong unit. I have a lot to learn about racing and don't plan on pushing car real hard. I want to learn and get lots of track time this season. MONEY IS AN ISSUE!!! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 13 11:56:03 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:56:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare In-Reply-To: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> References: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Message-ID: <073245101C9449B29253C63A27F880E8@gdhs.local> Mike: My experience says you ought to have a spare if you plan any long trips to race. I went all the way to Mosport from Charlotte only to have the motor pitch a rod in the 2nd practice session. I now have a fully prepared spare engine, but lucky for me havn't had to use it yet in over 1 1/2 yrs. However, if cost is a problem, forget it. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:06 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) Looking for some advice on keeping a spare engine. Is it must to finish a season? Should I have one done for me? Should I have the head done and build block myself? How long would it take? I have a complete spare (hasn't run in a long time) Not looking for anything extreme, just a good strong unit. I have a lot to learn about racing and don't plan on pushing car real hard. I want to learn and get lots of track time this season. MONEY IS AN ISSUE!!! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 12:34:56 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare In-Reply-To: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> References: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Message-ID: Mike, Your engine's spec sounds identical to mine except that I have a Babe Erson 300 cam (I didn't look at the Tilden Cams chart yet how that compares to yours). I keep the rpm below 6200 most of the time and there are probably ten race weekends on the engine, with the only "failure" being that compression is not what it once was. That said, it's time for me to start getting my spare engine ready... Duncan Texas 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (TR4 engine) #6 red On Mar 13, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary > Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, > carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) From malaboge at aol.com Wed Mar 13 12:36:05 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare In-Reply-To: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> References: <008101ce2004$b61090a0$2231b1e0$@net> Message-ID: <8CFEE30C11DEF07-9B0-1200C@webmail-d295.sysops.aol.com> Mike, There is an interesting corollary that Ibve come to believein whole-heartedlyb&whatever spare you have with you will not be needed. Back in the day, other racers often commentedon the odd spares I brought with me to the track. ALL of those spares represented a problemthat had occurred during my racing career. Amazingly, I canbt recall everhaving to utilize 99% of those spares a second time although I helped many a TRracer with those uncommon spares. The look on their faces when I pulled thepiece they needed from the truck was worth the trouble! You will have manyissues yourself, and you can start your own pile-o-spares. With that in mind, no matter what level of experience youuse to build a spare motor, you will always have bthe good motorb and the bbackupbb&theybrenever the same, even with the same parts installed. So, I would have someone do a head for youand build the best bottom end you can. The time will come that you will have a tired/broken motor and anupcoming race that you really want to attendb&time for that bother motorbb&youbllbe glad you did. Of course you should do the engine build yourself, thatbsthe best feeling, going around the track on your own sweat and equity! Sweatin in Nor Cal Nick Good luck with Gary's old car, it will be missed here in Nor Cal...one less TR in the area. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Moore To: fot Sent: Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:06 am Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engine Spare Getting ready to start my 1st race season with my TR4 I bought from Gary Horstkorta in CA. He has a nice strong engine in it (10.5:1, Wiseco pistons, carillo rods, hardened crank, TS "F" cam) Looking for some advice on keeping a spare engine. Is it must to finish a season? Should I have one done for me? Should I have the head done and build block myself? How long would it take? I have a complete spare (hasn't run in a long time) Not looking for anything extreme, just a good strong unit. I have a lot to learn about racing and don't plan on pushing car real hard. I want to learn and get lots of track time this season. MONEY IS AN ISSUE!!! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 12 21:07:31 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:07:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 In-Reply-To: <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> References: <4A37CD413E64BE45A53C530F73023B8B2F7FBCDD@CSMC-EXMB02.calstar.corp><20130309191902.12BD640528@autox.team.net> <513CA9F5.8090209@pobox.com> <60FA7EC52AB144DB92066A6EDF0718CD@ComputerPC> <0B3196E9-37D4-4F37-B4F7-49F5C04031C6@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000501ce1f97$e7d48370$b77d8a50$@com> Bill, I'm not sure I follow the modification you did. You said you made adjustable upper A-arms with Heim joints, which I'm familiar with. But then you said the length is close to stock and the pivot moved inward. Do you mean the inner pivot rod on the frame or the outer ball joint pivot? And when others have done the modification of shortening the upper A-arms by cutting a section out and then re-welding the remaining pieces back together, they have reported having to shorten the A-arm by about 1/2 inch to get the - 3 degrees camber. Did you not have to shorten your Heim joint A-arms by about 1/2 inch also? Thanks. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:06 PM To: Stutzmans Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 According to the analysis I did with my suspension software (SuspPro) the most useful way to change camber on a TR3 is to move the upper arms inward and keep them the same length. I use the TR6 bits to get caster and cut the upper arms to add heim joints to make an adjustable arm, but the length is close to stock, just has the pivot moved inwards. If you shorten the upper A arms you wind up with a lot of camber at full bump. It's also pretty hard to get the bump steer out with shorter arms, the outer pivot point moves well inside the lower pivot. On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Stutzmans" wrote: > Although the manual doesn't say so; I think that when they went to what would be the TR6 upper A arms and ball joint and 3 deg. trunnions (CT6345), the camber changed to 0 deg. from the TR3 and early TR4 2 deg. positive. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Neg. camber on 1964 tr4 > > >> It seems like it would be difficult to get enough change in camber for a TR3/4 by reversing the fulcrum. The factory spec is +2 degrees, so it takes quite a lot to get to -2. Lowering helps a little, less than 1/2 degree. If you shorten the upper A arms as many of us have done, you have to remove at least 1/2 inch. I wrote a short report when I studied the suspension on my TR3 (see http://tildentechnologies.com/downloads/TRsuspension.PDF). There is a neat way to shorten the upper A arms that I discovered from Bob Kramer that does not involve cutting them in two. I can put up a photo if anyone is interested in it. The modification is not obvious for organizations that do not permit Heim joints, etc. >> Larry >> >> On 3/9/2013 1:14 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >>> What Richard Good just described for the TR-6 applies to the TR-4 as well. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> Richard's message if you missed it: >>> "Reversing the upper fulcrum from factory orientation pulls the control arms in 1/4" and adds about 1.3 degrees negative camber if I remember my calculations correctly. You can do it without removing the control arms from the fulcrum. Just remove the four bolts holding the fulcrum to the tower and the two bolts through the ball joint and remove the whole assembly. Then hold the fulcrum and spin the control arms 180 degrees then bolt the whole assembly on the other side of the car. This keeps the front control arm in the front but reverses the fulcrum. >>> >>> Preferred camber will depend on the tires. The Hoosier A6's that I run for autocross and hillclimb want 3 degrees. They are 225/45-15 on 7" rims. To get that much camber and to keep the tires clear of my unmodified fenders I reversed the fulcrums and then slotted the bolt holes to slide them in even further. I just took the worn out tires off and the fronts wore fairly even. The rears were also set at 3 degrees but wore more on the inside from squatting under power. I backed it off to 2 degrees to see how that works out. Also changed to a slightly stiffer spring." >>> >>> At 11:22 PM 3/8/2013, Jon Gannaway wrote: >>>> I am preparing a 1964 tr4 to vintage race in California. I am looking for >>>> simple and easy ways to get negative camber in the car. Any suggestions >>>> would be helpful. >>>> >>>> Jon Gannaway >>>> 831-402-4080 >>>> >>>> >>>> Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail transmission, or the documents >>>> accompanying this e-mail transmission, may contain confidential health >>>> information that is legally protected by state and federal law, including, but >>>> not limited to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 >>>> and related regulations. This information is intended only for the use of the >>>> individual or entity to whom this e-mail transmission is addressed. If you are >>>> not the intended recipient of this information, or if you are not properly >>>> authorized to receive this information, you are hereby notified that any >>>> disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on the contents >>>> of this e-mail or the attached documents is strictly prohibited. If you have >>>> received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by >>>> sending a reply e-mail indicating that you have arranged for the deletion of >>>> this e-mail and a destruction of this e-mail and any attached documents. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 13 15:31:17 2013 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp at rogers.com) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:31:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie Message-ID: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 13 17:57:27 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:57:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Air Fuel meter Message-ID: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> Anyone using this AFM gauge? Any issues with leaded fuel as instructions say it will shorten sensor life? AEM Electronics Digital Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits 30-4100 Thanks, Greg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Mar 14 02:25:02 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:25:02 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Air Fuel meter In-Reply-To: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> References: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000701ce208d$6db180b0$49148210$@com> I'm using a Innovate System at my dasboard and have it also linked to my datalogger system so that I can see it in my videos. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vdMBHNHdTaM/T3OKEvvi9sI/AAAAAAAABRw/4-vAe 94k8Sg/s983/DSC02630.JPG Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Greg & Alison Blake Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Mdrz 2013 00:57 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: [Fot] Air Fuel meter Anyone using this AFM gauge? Any issues with leaded fuel as instructions say it will shorten sensor life? AEM Electronics Digital Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits 30-4100 Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 14 09:36:04 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:36:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 14 09:45:33 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:45:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Watch and laugh Message-ID: <506D58250B62401DBF2CB167DA3EF9B9@gdhs.local> I know this isn't about our passion, but it is funny as heck...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. 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John Lye) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:14:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Watch and laugh In-Reply-To: <506D58250B62401DBF2CB167DA3EF9B9@gdhs.local> References: <506D58250B62401DBF2CB167DA3EF9B9@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <71e77a7bed782bfefb5f4fda19851fc7.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Candid Camera returns! Very funny, thanks. John On Thu, March 14, 2013 11:45 am, john hasty wrote: > I know this isn't about our passion, but it is funny as heck...... > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information > that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > > > > _____ > > From: Ron Meade [mailto:ronmeade at zoominternet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:30 PM > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Subject: Fw: Watch and laugh > > > > Subject: Watch and laugh > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > http://www.pepsimax.com/TestDrive > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 10:19:57 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:19:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> Message-ID: I appreciate you sharing that...that was really good stuff ! On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:31 PM, wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 > > &feature=player_detailpage > > > > I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked > the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 14 09:49:36 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:49:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> Thanks John...I(and quite a few FOT folks) raced the original Laguna Seca many times...THAT was fast!...With a huge 'pucker factor' in turns 2 and 3..It was changed to make it long enough for Grand Prix Motocycles. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 14 10:11:57 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> Message-ID: <51B04DC16A6940C9963D37771488369D@gdhs.local> Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:50 AM To: 'john hasty'; macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: RE: [Fot] Triumph Movie Thanks John...I(and quite a few FOT folks) raced the original Laguna Seca many times...THAT was fast!...With a huge 'pucker factor' in turns 2 and 3..It was changed to make it long enough for Grand Prix Motocycles. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 13:20:10 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:20:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Air Fuel meter/ Auto Meter In-Reply-To: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> References: <000d01ce2046$84310e10$8c932a30$@rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Greg, I use an Auto Meter wide band gauge that has an output for D. A. I have not had any issues yet but have been told when the sensor gets dirty you can heat the tips up to glowing red with a torch to clean them. BTW, Fellow FOT member Mark Craig has saved a lot of us quite a bit of money on Auto Meter brand gauges. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "Greg & Alison Blake" wrote: > Anyone using this AFM gauge? Any issues with leaded fuel as instructions > say it will shorten sensor life? > > AEM Electronics Digital Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits 30-4100 > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu Mar 14 13:16:53 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:16:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <51B04DC16A6940C9963D37771488369D@gdhs.local> References: <004001ce2032$1ae32330$50a96990$@rogers.com> <2CB9189CA69A4B17B8F72F71EC32E89D@gdhs.local> <000601ce20cb$88458370$98d08a50$@net> <51B04DC16A6940C9963D37771488369D@gdhs.local> Message-ID: "The Gravity Cavity"... lots of national championships won and lost there. Too bad it is no more. I can only image how awesome that downhill plunge was "back in the day" Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "john hasty" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 To: ; ; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of macdonaldp at rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:31 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qrOg8COx8 &feature=player_detailpage I had never seen this one before, it is really good. I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Mar 14 13:39:04 2013 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:39:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] FW: Watch and laugh Message-ID: <1987935.1839118.1363289944368.JavaMail.root@vznit170060> From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Mar 15 20:28:39 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:28:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] NecksGen Safety Alert (head and neck restraint device) Message-ID: A safety warning for anyone using a NecksGen head and neck restraint device! Check your hardware to be sure all twelve bolts, washers, and nuts are there and if it didn't come with thread locker on all of the bolts, remove all twelve bolts and use some blue Loc-Tite on the threads before reassembling. At my last race I sat on the grid warming up when I realized there was something seriously wrong with my NecksGen head and neck restraint. The tab that goes into the helmet was lying on the passenger seat so I raced without it. I later found that several pieces of hardware had simply come apart, including in the angle adjustment area, which I had tightened myself. However, there also appeared to be two missing bolts that attach the helmet straps to the main body of the device, but I could not find these pieces anywhere. I found a few bits of missing hardware on the floor in the Morgan. I asked a few others using the device to look at theirs and the one reply I got indicated that his looked just like mine -- but it turned out he simply hadn't pulled hard enough on the straps yet to have them pull out as mine did -- he was missing the same two critical bolts that connect the two halves of the unit together and clamp the helmet strap anchor in place. NecksGen has told at least one other customer that they will send out replacement hardware for free, and Farin Brady told me they would refund my purchase of a hardware replacement set (I had bought a full set of replacement hardware since I really didn't yet know what I was missing nor that there was essentially a defect in the product, ie: it was not my fault). The diagram that came with the device wasn't of any help in determining where the various pieces of hardware go, nor was a similar diagram on their website. I spoke to Jeff to get the layout correct. The replacement bolts have a dab of thread locking compound already on them. Jeff explained that their testing did not uncover this problem and they were unaware of it until the first hundred or so devices were out the door and they started getting feedback from customers. They didn't anticipate the degree of vibration encountered by users of the device. No mention of why I hadn't been contacted as soon as they knew of the problem, but since I purchased this through a group buy, they may not have had my name and contact information on file. The design requires spring washers to be put under the heads of the bolts rather than under the nuts, which are countersunk stepped round barrel nuts, and that the main large pieces of the device which the bolts pass through are made of a composite material, which may have some "give" to it, allowing the stainless hardware to loosen under vibration. If the bolts that pass through both pieces of the device and the helmet anchor strap fitting are missing as mine were, replacement ones should be pushed in from the outboard side with a spring washer under the head, through a "side bushing" that fits inside the large hole in the anchor tab of the helmet strap, with the stepped barrel nut on the inboard side. The side bushing is also stepped and the narrower part points outboard (OK, wait, I'm not absolutely sure about that any more -- but it may only go one way). Duncan Charlton Texas 1953 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red From Janzen at REcatalyst.com Sat Mar 16 10:52:17 2013 From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:52:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring locator - GT6 or Spit Message-ID: I'm re-assembling my cylinder head, and one of the valve spring locators (at the use of the spring, around the guide) is broken. It's the typical "T" in section, black oxide, but I can't find any through Crane, Isky, Comp or Edelbrock that are small enough. 0.51 ID, 0.61 spring ID, about 1.02" OD, 0.05" thick. Any ideas on sources - I have no idea where these came from - probably on the car when I got them, but they are perfect for the Isky springs. Thanks! From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Mar 15 13:18:55 2013 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:18:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <20130315183534.782C640526@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I was at that race when PLN won the championship. The race fans loved it. As did I. Those were special days with factory cars and pro drivers. And all these years later we are still racing these cars. It was a huge influence on me. On 3/14/13 2:16 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: "The Gravity Cavity"... lots of national championships won and lost there. Too bad it is no more. I can only image how awesome that downhill plunge was "back in the day" Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "john hasty" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 To: ; ; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:36 AM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie Hope everyone recognized Road Atlanta and Laguna in their original configurations. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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I particularly liked the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3446201935_275400483] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 15 15:16:43 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:16:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Movie In-Reply-To: <1087727756.482911.1363374494143.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1087727756.482911.1363374494143.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I ran the old Road Atlanta on a 350cc Yamaha. 12500 as you crested the hill at the end of back straight, fall into GC at about 13000. And hope you could lean over far enough to not hit the rumble strips between the track and pit in as you came under the bridge. Ah to be young and fearless again! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:08 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Gravity Cavity...the pucker factor number goes up exponentially with the increase in negative G's as does > > the volume of sceaming in my helmet. > > jim g > > > From: jason at multivintage.com > To: "john hasty" , fot-bounces at autox.team.net, budscars at comcast.net, macdonaldp at rogers.com, "Fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:16:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie > > "The Gravity Cavity"... lots of national championships won and lost there. Too bad it is no more. I can only image how awesome that downhill plunge was "back in the day" > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "john hasty" > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:11:57 > To: ; ; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Movie > > Coming down the back straight at Road Atlanta without turns 10 & 10a with a > fast swoop up under the bridge had the same effect. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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I particularly liked > the TR7 vs TR6 from the 15 minute mark to the end. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Mar 16 18:21:10 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:21:10 GMT Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring locator - GT6 or Spit Message-ID: <20130316.202110.9161.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> When I needed some for my TR3 I bought some that had the correct inner diameters and then I machined the outer diameter to fit the head. You may want to try your local machine shop to see of they have something that will fit. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Valve Spring locator - GT6 or Spit Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:52:17 -0400 I'm re-assembling my cylinder head, and one of the valve spring locators (at the use of the spring, around the guide) is broken. It's the typical "T" in section, black oxide, but I can't find any through Crane, Isky, Comp or Edelbrock that are small enough. 0.51 ID, 0.61 spring ID, about 1.02" OD, 0.05" thick. Any ideas on sources - I have no idea where these came from - probably on the car when I got them, but they are perfect for the Isky springs. Thanks! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ 5 Diet Pills that Work 2012's Top 5 Weight Loss Pills. Updated Consumer Ratings. Free Report. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51450cccd697eccc563est03duc From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Sun Mar 17 05:12:49 2013 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:12:49 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure Message-ID: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> Amici I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking cam shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding 5000 rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 13:02:59 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:02:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F-1 adverts Message-ID: Just as a point of interest in the Mercedes commercials in the F-1 race the cars and a bit of track are inserted into the background of our track in Califonia, Willow Springs. The back straight is just below the hills you see. *Never be beaten by equipment.* From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 15:15:39 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 66 Triumph TR4A for sale Message-ID: <1363554939.83849.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I wanted to post a link to this beautiful 1966 Triumph TR4A. This car is beautiful, and comes with some really cool documentation. Runs and drives beautifully. It won't last long on Ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111034010164 Shawn Frank Continued Legacy-owner Drive Away Cancer Iowa 515-339-4228 From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 16:55:54 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Drive Away Cancer Iowa TR4A build progress Message-ID: <1363560954.58548.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I wanted to share a link with you all of my Facebook photo album of the build on the Drive Away Cancer Iowa car. We had a great Saturday putting some new parts on this official Drive Away Cancer Iowa 1965 Triumph TR4A named "John". We will have this car at the upcoming Kastner Cup. Keep em on the road...and track... https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.560821733950668.1073741825.431473933552116&type=1 Shawn Frank Continued Legacy-owner Drive Away Cancer Iowa #515-339-4228 From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Mar 17 22:46:35 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: TR3 Cam Failure Message-ID: <96b.588233a5.3e77f62b@aol.com> If the camshaft shaft diameter is reduced during re grinding, that(between #1 and #2) is where it is most likely to fail. If you are unlucky, it will also fail in front of the #2 cam journal, and the cam piece will fall down and trash the motor. The USA factory race cams were ground from cams that arrived in the USA with un ground lobes, and KAS had them ground. I have had the lobes of a standard cam (TR4A is best) welded before regrinding, and that worked. In the development of the TR2 they arrived at the two shank diameters in each camshaft to reduce failures. I also strongly recommend checking all possible related issues: from coil bind to the dist/oil pump gear and the cam bearings. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 3/17/2013 11:02:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:12:49 +1100 From: "geoff byrne" To: "Friends of Triumph" Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure Message-ID: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking cam shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding 5000 rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Mar 18 09:11:32 2013 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:11:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure In-Reply-To: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> References: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <9EA57CC6D2EA4E96BB0705550AD14E4E@ComputerPC> As time goes by we tend to forget some of the old lessons. Except Hardy who is right on. TR3/4 cams were designed by the factory with the diameter of the front half larger than the back half. This stopped the problem of cam deflection. When cam grinders regrind these cams they have to remove some of this increased thickness or the new lobe heels would be below the shaft. Could deflection return on these cams? New blanks - I recently bought and installed a 270 from BPNW ground on a new blank by David Newman in England. This new blank, presumably from India, did not have the factory increased diameter front half. Could deflaction be a problem? Because of stories that the dizzy gear on new Indian made blanks was not cut properly causing dizzy shafts to break, I test installed mine with die makers blue and it was ok. Could deflection have been the problem? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff byrne" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:12 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure > Amici > > I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking > cam > shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding > 5000 > rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor > is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would > appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Mar 18 10:46:35 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:46:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure In-Reply-To: <514740E1.0@pobox.com> References: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> <9EA57CC6D2EA4E96BB0705550AD14E4E@ComputerPC> <514740E1.0@pobox.com> Message-ID: <514744EB.4080402@pobox.com> With the new blanks there is no need to grind off the large front diameter unless the lift is really huge (>0.38). The rough lobes extend about 1/8 inch beyond the bearing radius. Since the front four lobes don't have to slide through the bearings, why grind off this extra material? Everyone seems to do this, but they don't need to. I had my cams ground only until the front lobes cleaned up. The only one that ever broke was by a Neanderthal Fedex man. > > On 3/18/2013 10:11 AM, Stutzmans wrote: >> As time goes by we tend to forget some of the old lessons. Except >> Hardy who is right on. >> TR3/4 cams were designed by the factory with the diameter of the >> front half larger than the back half. This stopped the problem of >> cam deflection. >> When cam grinders regrind these cams they have to remove some of this >> increased thickness or the new lobe heels would be below the shaft. >> Could deflection return on these cams? >> New blanks - I recently bought and installed a 270 from BPNW ground >> on a new blank by David Newman in England. This new blank, >> presumably from India, did not have the factory increased diameter >> front half. Could deflaction be a problem? >> Because of stories that the dizzy gear on new Indian made blanks was >> not cut properly causing dizzy shafts to break, I test installed mine >> with die makers blue and it was ok. Could deflection have been the >> problem? >> Bruce >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff byrne" >> >> To: "Friends of Triumph" >> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:12 AM >> Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure >> >> >>> Amici >>> >>> I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep >>> braking cam >>> shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while >>> holding 5000 >>> rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder >>> motor >>> is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would >>> appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution >>> >>> Geoff Byrne >>> >>> TR6 Racer Down Under >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Mar 18 11:03:08 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:03:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Subject: TR3 Cam Failure In-Reply-To: <96b.588233a5.3e77f62b@aol.com> References: <96b.588233a5.3e77f62b@aol.com> Message-ID: <514748CC.7030205@pobox.com> The article that mentions the reason for enlarging the front part of the cam sites deflection as the primary issue they were trying to solve. Deflection leads to tossing valves, valves bouncing off the seat, etc. Making it larger up front helps both problems, strengths and flexibility. On 3/17/2013 11:46 PM, Catpusher at aol.com wrote: > If the camshaft shaft diameter is reduced during re grinding, > that(between #1 and #2) is where it is most likely to fail. If you are unlucky, it > will also fail in front of the #2 cam journal, and the cam piece will fall > down and trash the motor. > The USA factory race cams were ground from cams that arrived in the USA > with un ground lobes, and KAS had them ground. I have had the lobes of a > standard cam (TR4A is best) welded before regrinding, and that worked. In the > development of the TR2 they arrived at the two shank diameters in each > camshaft to reduce failures. > I also strongly recommend checking all possible related issues: from coil > bind to the dist/oil pump gear and the cam bearings. > > TR Regards, > > Hardy > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2013 11:02:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:12:49 +1100 > From: "geoff byrne" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Subject: [Fot] TR3 Cam Failure > Message-ID: <001801ce2300$5e5230e0$1af692a0$@optushome.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Amici > > I have been helping a friend with his TR3 race motor and we keep braking > cam > shafts . recently the cam broke between 1 and 2 cylinders while holding > 5000 > rpm through a sweeper. Comments seem to indicate that the 4 cylinder motor > is prone to breaking cams and a steel billet is required . I would > appreciate any comments on a similar experience and solution > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 13:26:40 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Amici I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of the engine. In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the radiator? Thank you Just the wrench John Wagner From jaboruch at netzero.com Mon Mar 18 15:42:03 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:42:03 GMT Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <20130318.174203.19555.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> I have a -4 braided hose from the heater valve location in the head to the thermostat housing by-pass location. The fitting at the back of the head has the ID reduced to about 3/16 inch. This is essentially a steam vent. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: John Wagner To: "Fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] cooling Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Amici I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of the engine. In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the radiator? Thank you Just the wrench John Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51478a9a9ec6a99547dst01duc From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Mar 18 16:29:39 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:29:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hubs Message-ID: <51479553.7040804@charter.net> Group One of our club members has some bad TR4 solid axle hubs. Do any of you have any spares? Anyone have the Churchhill hub tool they would like to part with? Please let me know . Thanks Glenn From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 18 18:57:05 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] cooling In-Reply-To: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901ce243c$acf8d770$06ea8650$@rr.com> John, One of the short comings of the TR3 and TR4 cooling system design is the inability of steam to escape the system. Once formed, it creates hot spots and air has replaced water in the area steam has formed if you don't give it a path to escape. The fact that the thermostat housing is typically the high point of the system doesn't help. Another problem is lack of flow to the back of the head and to piston #4. I started down a similar path as you suggest. I assumed that if I routed hot return water back to the suction side of the water pump (return heater port) I'd be recirculating hot water and this would be bad. So for my system, I installed a expansion tank with a 22-25 psi cap on the firewall routed the heater supply (port on back top PS of head) to the top side port of the tank and routed the return line from the bottom of the tank to a fitting I installed between the thermostat housing and the intake of the radiator (I run a Chevy style cross flow radiator read more later). This allowed the hot water from the back of the block and head to return directly to the radiator and be cooled prior to go back through the engine. This seemed like a great idea. I now had a place for steam to collect (the expansion tank) and I had increased the flow to the back of the head and block. Only problem was it worked too good. Even with a 180 degree thermostat, I could not get any heat into the engine it was running less than 120 degrees. The system simply bypassed the thermostat as all water was flowing from the back of the head through the tank and back to the radiator. I had bypassed my thermostat. I thought about playing with various restrictions in my return line but figured that the correct restriction would likely change based upon conditions. So I scrapped my idea and plumbed my return line directly to the heater return port. Works like a champ now. I mentioned that I use a Chevy style cross flow radiator. This design has several advantages to the top to bottom flow of our standard radiators. The problem with a top to bottom design is that the radiator is seeing block pressure on the top of the radiator which means your radiator cap is seeing full block pressure, or very close to it. I have not put a pressure gauge on my block but I have read that block pressure can reach 30 psi. For this reason, some TR racers are always pumping at least a little water past their caps on a top down style radiator. With cross flow, the radiator cap is kept on the suction (low pressure) side which allows a low rated cap, I use a 7 or 12 psi cap in the radiator, can't remember exactly. More on expansion tanks. Do a little research and you will find that most if not all modern cars run stem vent tubes from the cylinder heads or other high points to an expansion tank. A good example is the Gen III & IV small blocks. I also use a 1/4 npt drain valve on the top of the thermostat housing to vent all air out of my system when filling, this is very important. I use the expansion tank as the fill point and fill until the water leaks out through the open 1/4" valve. I prime the system a little by squeezing the house on the intake side of the water pump as I fill the system. Once all the air is out, I close the valve and fill the expansion tank to within 1/4" of the top. So far, one race weekend, I have had zero water pump past either of my caps with this installation. My dad is using this same setup but with a Wizard top to bottom radiator. He was getting a little water past the cap on the radiator cap and the expansion tank cap. He was using a 12 psi on the radiator and 18 on the expansion tank. He has replaced the caps for higher rated ones so we will see how it goes at ECR in May. Bob Kramer has been using this setup with a top down radiator for a few years. I think in a 15-20 min race he fills his expansion tank overflow bottle but he is using a lower rated cap I think it was 12psi. I have tried to convince him to switch to a higher pressure rating on the expansion tank, we shall see. Let me know if you want more information or pictures. Greg 04 TR3 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Wagner Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:27 PM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] cooling Amici I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of the engine. In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the radiator? Thank you Just the wrench John Wagner _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From Catpusher at aol.com Mon Mar 18 21:06:19 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: Triumph Movie Message-ID: <37ca.4ad38b89.3e79302b@aol.com> Great movie! Unencumbered by the fear process? T2 at the real Laguna: flat out before stiffening the EP TR3 chassis with a cage. The Dip at the real Atlanta. During our first ARRC our posted radar speed was 142 MPH. I thought that most EP cars must be like mine in the dip until Lee Mueller came over after qualifying and told me that we had to talk, as he watched the dip from track side and I was trying to kill myself. He eventually mentioned bump steer, which I later measured as 1.7" on full droop. Every year the dip had my full attention and then some, even with the bump steer spot on. Ellie and I intently watched the great TR6 / 7 race. Oh, and in 83 when I was going up (in a state of shock) to receive the Donohue award, PLN was the first person to get up and shake my hand, and when I managed to say "Ah, retired TR6 racer" his smile became even larger. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 3/17/2013 11:02:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes From: John Hasty Ah to be young and fearless again! From clw2000 at msn.com Tue Mar 19 06:21:40 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:21:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Shocks and Springs - GT6 Message-ID: Enjoying the process of rebuilding my suspension. I need to make the call on springs and shocks shortly. Tough to do some of the measurements with the body off and no weight on the car, so a few questions I could use some help on: Front Springs: - obviously want to lower, and plan to use adjustable spring perches, but where to start in length. I'm assuming 7.0-8.0" - spring rate: conventional wisdom seems to be north of 500 lbs. If so, how far north? Front Shocks: - what max length are you using to control droop, min length before bump? - what mfg and models are you recommending? - better to go with spherical bearings at lower mounts? Rear Shocks: - I have replaced the Rotoflex system with one that would allow me to use the Mk1/Mk3 mounts instead of the wheel arch mounts. Any reason not to do so? Given that, what can you recommend? Yes, I'm ignoring the rear spring in this post. It's a whole-nother can of worms. But for the record, I'm looking at a 400lb rate de-arched by about 2.5" as my starting point. Thanks, Chuck Watson From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 09:24:20 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. Message-ID: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Does anyone know Clark Lincoln? Long time DSR Racer in SCCA. At 70 something he has built a GT6, using Kas Kastner's latest book on the Chuck Gee build as a guideline. I have invited him to the Kastner Cup (with treaded tires) and he is giving it strong consideration. For whatever reason, this seems to be the Year of The GT6 & SPITFIRE at the KCUP....if they all manage to make it. Something to be encouraged.....did I mention that the Barker's are planning to come with both the SCCA Champion Spitfire AND the winning KCUP HERALD. This time the right gas will be going into those engines. (A mix up in race fuel caused the premature failure of two engines at the last KCUP at ROAD ATLANTA) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 09:55:14 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:55:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Hubs In-Reply-To: <51479553.7040804@charter.net> References: <51479553.7040804@charter.net> Message-ID: I've got a Churchill tool that I'd part with since none of my remaining TRs have stock rear hubs. I've been meaning to put it on ebay anyhow. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From gt6steve at aol.com Tue Mar 19 10:31:17 2013 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. In-Reply-To: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFF2D650EF457C-750-291CE@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Been talking a lot with Clark the last year or so. He's building a fantastic car from all I see.... -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot Sent: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:24 am Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. FOT: Does anyone know Clark Lincoln? Long time DSR Racer in SCCA. At 70 something e has built a GT6, using Kas Kastner's latest book on the Chuck Gee build as guideline. I have invited him to the Kastner Cup (with treaded tires) and he is giving it trong consideration. For whatever reason, this seems to be the Year of The GT6 & SPITFIRE at the CUP....if they all manage to make it. Something to be encouraged.....did I mention that the Barker's are planning to ome with both the SCCA Champion Spitfire AND the winning KCUP HERALD. This ime the right gas will be going into those engines. (A mix up in race fuel aused the premature failure of two engines at the last KCUP at ROAD TLANTA) Joe Alexander . R. E. 45 1st Street esup, Iowa 50648 19.464.4711 (cell) 197tr4 at cs.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 10:38:09 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates Message-ID: <8D41A8BA-D421-494A-8133-992927278197@comcast.net> Hello: I have a set of lifting plates which I used to lift the body off my TR4 a few years ago which were kindly made for me by an FOT member. These plates make the job much easier and should work with most TRs. I have sold my car and no longer need them so if anyone is interested I would be happy to ship them for the mailing cost. Gary From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 10:53:53 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. In-Reply-To: <8CFF2D650EF457C-750-291CE@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFF2CCF654C5C3-E2C-2ACAB@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> <8CFF2D650EF457C-750-291CE@webmail-m151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFF2D978BB5A97-E2C-2BBBF@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com> The pictures of his car are really outstanding. He mentioned that he designed and built a couple of his DSRs. Old guys rock!! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: gt6steve To: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 11:31 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. Been talking a lot with Clark the last year or so. He's building a fantastic car from all I see.... -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot Sent: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:24 am Subject: [Fot] Another GT6 MICHIGAN BASED and more. FOT: Does anyone know Clark Lincoln? Long time DSR Racer in SCCA. At 70 something he has built a GT6, using Kas Kastner's latest book on the Chuck Gee build as a guideline. I have invited him to the Kastner Cup (with treaded tires) and he is giving it strong consideration. For whatever reason, this seems to be the Year of The GT6 & SPITFIRE at the KCUP....if they all manage to make it. Something to be encouraged.....did I mention that the Barker's are planning to come with both the SCCA Champion Spitfire AND the winning KCUP HERALD. This time the right gas will be going into those engines. (A mix up in race fuel caused the premature failure of two engines at the last KCUP at ROAD ATLANTA) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 11:50:10 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:50:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates Message-ID: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer was the first to respond so they will be on the way to him. Perhaps these plates can become an FOT Asset and circulated around to those who might need them? Ga From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Mar 19 12:10:50 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:10:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT loaner tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, great idea. I'm trying to think of what oddball things I might have. Well there is the torque plate I had made up for TR6/GT6. blocks It's heavy but shippable. I could add it to the available to loan out for the cost of shipping list if anybody wants to borrow it. Marty > From: vintage.racer at comcast.net > Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:50:10 -0700 > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer was the first to respond so they will be on the way to > him. Perhaps these plates can become an FOT Asset and circulated around to > those who might need them? > > Ga > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 19 12:33:54 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:33:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT loaner tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marty: Nice contribution. If there are other items FOT'ers want to add, perhaps someone could keep a list and handle the loan/return of these specialized items. Gary Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:10 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Hey, great idea. I'm trying to think of what oddball things I might have. Well there is the torque plate I had made up for TR6/GT6. blocks It's heavy but shippable. I could add it to the available to loan out for the cost of shipping list if anybody wants to borrow it. > > Marty > > > From: vintage.racer at comcast.net > > Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:50:10 -0700 > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Lifting Plates > > > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer was the first to respond so they will be on the way to > > him. Perhaps these plates can become an FOT Asset and circulated around to > > those who might need them? > > > > Ga > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 22:09:10 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:09:10 -1000 Subject: [Fot] cooling In-Reply-To: <000901ce243c$acf8d770$06ea8650$@rr.com> References: <1363634800.28133.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000901ce243c$acf8d770$06ea8650$@rr.com> Message-ID: Not to get too fussy, but steam doesn't need a path to escape. It turns back liquid water as soon as the temperature drops a bit or pressure is increased, If you have a steam bubble forming on the wall of a wet sleeve as soon as it gets away from the wall it almost certainly collapses. If you're seeing steam in the tanks it's only because you've opened the cap and dropped the pressure low enough to cause boiling. Steam is water in it's gasous state. Trapped air is a different story. On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Greg & Alison Blake" wrote: > John, > > One of the short comings of the TR3 and TR4 cooling system design is the > inability of steam to escape the system. Once formed, it creates hot spots > and air has replaced water in the area steam has formed if you don't give it > a path to escape. The fact that the thermostat housing is typically the > high point of the system doesn't help. Another problem is lack of flow to > the back of the head and to piston #4. > > I started down a similar path as you suggest. I assumed that if I routed > hot return water back to the suction side of the water pump (return heater > port) I'd be recirculating hot water and this would be bad. So for my > system, I installed a expansion tank with a 22-25 psi cap on the firewall > routed the heater supply (port on back top PS of head) to the top side port > of the tank and routed the return line from the bottom of the tank to a > fitting I installed between the thermostat housing and the intake of the > radiator (I run a Chevy style cross flow radiator read more later). This > allowed the hot water from the back of the block and head to return directly > to the radiator and be cooled prior to go back through the engine. > > This seemed like a great idea. I now had a place for steam to collect (the > expansion tank) and I had increased the flow to the back of the head and > block. Only problem was it worked too good. Even with a 180 degree > thermostat, I could not get any heat into the engine it was running less > than 120 degrees. > > The system simply bypassed the thermostat as all water was flowing from the > back of the head through the tank and back to the radiator. I had bypassed > my thermostat. I thought about playing with various restrictions in my > return line but figured that the correct restriction would likely change > based upon conditions. > > So I scrapped my idea and plumbed my return line directly to the heater > return port. Works like a champ now. > > I mentioned that I use a Chevy style cross flow radiator. This design has > several advantages to the top to bottom flow of our standard radiators. The > problem with a top to bottom design is that the radiator is seeing block > pressure on the top of the radiator which means your radiator cap is seeing > full block pressure, or very close to it. I have not put a pressure gauge > on my block but I have read that block pressure can reach 30 psi. For this > reason, some TR racers are always pumping at least a little water past their > caps on a top down style radiator. With cross flow, the radiator cap is > kept on the suction (low pressure) side which allows a low rated cap, I use > a 7 or 12 psi cap in the radiator, can't remember exactly. > > More on expansion tanks. Do a little research and you will find that most > if not all modern cars run stem vent tubes from the cylinder heads or other > high points to an expansion tank. A good example is the Gen III & IV small > blocks. > > I also use a 1/4 npt drain valve on the top of the thermostat housing to > vent all air out of my system when filling, this is very important. I use > the expansion tank as the fill point and fill until the water leaks out > through the open 1/4" valve. I prime the system a little by squeezing the > house on the intake side of the water pump as I fill the system. Once all > the air is out, I close the valve and fill the expansion tank to within 1/4" > of the top. So far, one race weekend, I have had zero water pump past > either of my caps with this installation. > > My dad is using this same setup but with a Wizard top to bottom radiator. > He was getting a little water past the cap on the radiator cap and the > expansion tank cap. He was using a 12 psi on the radiator and 18 on the > expansion tank. He has replaced the caps for higher rated ones so we will > see how it goes at ECR in May. > > Bob Kramer has been using this setup with a top down radiator for a few > years. I think in a 15-20 min race he fills his expansion tank overflow > bottle but he is using a lower rated cap I think it was 12psi. I have tried > to convince him to switch to a higher pressure rating on the expansion tank, > we shall see. > > Let me know if you want more information or pictures. > > Greg > 04 TR3 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of John Wagner > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:27 PM > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] cooling > > Amici > > I am thinking of running a tube from the heater outlet to the front of > the engine. > In past threads it said to connect it to the water pump inlet (heater > return) that is just taking hot water and returning it to the engine, > wouldn't it be better to plumb it to the thermostat housing and on to the > radiator? > > > Thank you > Just the wrench > John Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 16:15:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheel Spacers...aluminum spacers now available Message-ID: <8CFF30670BAE3CB-E74-32DC7@webmail-d284.sysops.aol.com> FOT: With some help and encouragement from the FOT, we produced a few Spitfire wheels spacers....same as the TR3-6 spacers in thickness. .250 stackable. We did preproduction run of 20....then we will do a larger run. If you want/need any please inquire/respond to this e-mail. Thanks Shawn F, Joe S, for the help in doing this. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From kaskastner at gmail.com Tue Mar 19 16:24:40 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:24:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Question about books Message-ID: I have been working for almost a year on an updated version of the original *Triumph Preparation Manual*, which was written in 2002 and reprinted several times. The stock is about depleted and will not be reprinted. As it has been very popular with lots of information for builders of Triumph racers, my updated version has more and newer material, details, photos etc, but will still keep the pertinent information from the original book. The result is a book of about 280 full size pages. This new book will not be a printed book. It will be a download book or a purchased disc. Here is my problem, what do you the readers want? How do you folks want to see this new book? The download version will be less than $20 and the disc version will be less than $30. the disc version will include the complete new book, plus special video selections of my time with the GTP program at Nissan. Lots of views of the cars in action, interviews and the racing in 1988-1989-1990. For various technical reasons the download book will NOT have this added entertainment. We also have the possibility of both version becoming available. With all the new mediums in communication I would appreciate your opinions on what would be your choice. It would probably be best to give me your opinion direct to my new Email address, kaskastner at gmail.com. Thanking all in advance. *Never be beaten by equipment.* From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 17:16:38 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 TSD RALLY CAR What CAM would you use? Message-ID: <8CFF30EF12597E5-E74-334E4@webmail-d284.sysops.aol.com> Engine builder is asking about customer's engine......he has rebuilt several TR engines but never a modified one. Mainly he deals in ITALIAN stuff. 89 mm pistons Premium Gas requirement 10.2 compression is likely. What cam would anyone recommend for running at 4,000-5,000 RPM on 800-1000 mile rallyes. The customer runs about 4-5 every year. Money no serious consideration. Thanks in advance, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 19 17:47:29 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] anyone have an ORIGINAL KASTNER "D" CAM on the shelf? Message-ID: <8CFF3134072D915-E74-3381C@webmail-d284.sysops.aol.com> thanks Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 13:30:04 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <1363721404.22306.androidMobile@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I run a very similar set up. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Mar 20 08:23:21 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Thanks! CAM SELECTION RESPONSES Message-ID: <8CFF38D9BEA99DD-203C-31EBA@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Thanks to everyone who responded on the quest for a cam for rally purposes. I had forgotten about the very comprehensive study of TRIUMPH CAMS that FOT LARRY YOUNG did and posted on his TILDEN TECHNOLOGIES website. What a great spreadsheet on all of the cams available for all levels of performance. Worth a trip into the TRIUMPH CAM DESIGN link even if you are not currently looking. A ton of information and easy to read. WHADDA GROUP! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 20 08:27:13 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:27:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <44BF06CC-E28C-452C-8863-CF03AF7617DF@sbcglobal.net> A M I C I I'd like to nominate Steve Myers to our humble group. He is a good guy and will be racing a TR4 this season here in the midwest. I do believe that Steve will benefit from and add value to the FOT. Second? From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 20 08:33:40 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> In a message dated 03/20/2013 8:26:49 AM Central Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I'd like to nominate Steve Myers > to our humble group. He is a good guy and will be racing a TR4 this > season > here in the midwest. I do believe that Steve will benefit from and add > value > to the FOT. > Second? > Second! Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Mar 20 10:21:49 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:21:49 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - 2013 In-Reply-To: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> References: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> Message-ID: <000801ce2587$0c6f3370$254d9a50$@com> Hi Guys, I will attend at the next Kastner Cup event. I checked many ways to bring my car but nothing which fits my budget to get a single car to USA an back in short gap of time. Question: Maybe there is a race car available for me? Cheers Chris From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 20 12:36:06 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:36:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - 2013 In-Reply-To: <000801ce2587$0c6f3370$254d9a50$@com> References: <5a30c.46bcaaa4.3e7b22c4@aol.com> <000801ce2587$0c6f3370$254d9a50$@com> Message-ID: Chris: I might be able to round up a FIAT 124 spider that won the 2000 F-Production SCCA National Championship. Let me know if you want me to ask John if it is available and what the cost might be..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:22 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup - 2013 Hi Guys, I will attend at the next Kastner Cup event. I checked many ways to bring my car but nothing which fits my budget to get a single car to USA an back in short gap of time. Question: Maybe there is a race car available for me? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Mar 20 14:30:04 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:30:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire Message-ID: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> List, I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - 0.75 inch offset. So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels on their website so I'm not sure about availability. Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From apackard68 at att.net Wed Mar 20 15:01:08 2013 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1363813268.21454.YahooMailRC@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Spit bits now carries the 4 spoke AR wheels. They may be able to help. Roger Krauss Racing in Castro Valley, CA also has connections with many suppliers and could be worth talking to, especially for racing applications. Andy To: Friends of triumph Sent: Wed, March 20, 2013 1:32:46 PM Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire List, I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - 0.75 inch offset. So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels on their website so I'm not sure about availability. Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68 at att.net From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Mar 20 15:14:31 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:14:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bud - I know the owner of Acme Speed Shop. His name is Hap Waldrup and is a MG racer. He can get 13x6 for a Spit 3.75" PCD in a couple of different backspace options and a couple of styles and colors. His shop is kind of "part time" so don't give up on contacting him. Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: levilevi at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:30:04 -0600 > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > List, > > I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire > (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - > 0.75 inch offset. > > So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution > in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. > > Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the > Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but > they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels > on their website so I'm not sure about availability. > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Mar 20 17:38:03 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:38:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? Message-ID: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 20 17:50:34 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:50:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? Message-ID: <595844.65408.bm@smtp206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Moroso 46160 -----Original Message----- From: "J.C. Hassall" Sent: b3/b20/b2013 6:38 PM To: "fot" Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From tr6nut at verizon.net Wed Mar 20 17:52:20 2013 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? In-Reply-To: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> References: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <514A4BB4.4040902@verizon.net> Jim, I'm using ARP P/N 100-7708 "12mm x 1.50 Late Model GM/Corvette". These will press into TR6 hubs without re-drilling the holes and are 3" long. They are metric so you have to use the appropriate metric lugnuts. Hugh Barber Stafford, VA On 3/20/2013 7:38 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? > Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've > measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need > longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the > hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? > > tnx > > jim From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Mar 20 18:09:20 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:09:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 wheel stud knurl OD? In-Reply-To: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> References: <514A485B.2050006@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: We found the knurl to be different on the Southwick axles than the stock front TR3. Summit had long studs with the correct knurls for each in 7/16 size. They were Morso studs. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 20, 2013, at 7:38 PM, "J.C. Hassall" wrote: > Anyone happen to know the OD of the press-in wheel studs for TR4-6? Most of the p/n I've found are just a tad over the 0.494 ID I've measured in the hub, so the knurl OD could be a sticky issue. I need longer studs in 7/16x20 thread, so need to order larger and drill the hubs. Anyone have a favorite p/n? > > tnx > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Mar 20 21:20:11 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:20:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: About two years ago when I needed wheels for my HP Spitfire I got some Panasports through Spruell Motorsports (www.spruellmotorsport.com -- 800-552-2532). Don't worry that their website at the moment doesn't show any 13" wheels under Triumph. Call 'em up, tell 'em what you need. They'll order direct from Panasport. I was in a big hurry, so they put me in contact with the Panasport guy and I ordered them direct from him, but he only sells through dealers so I did the sale through Spruell. In my case -- because I was in a rush -- the Panasport guy had wheels on the shelf with 4" backspace, so I bought them and he drilled them for the Spitfire bolt circle and my stud size. Then I had a local machine shop make me spacers. And they use regular lugnuts. If you have the time, you can get them with the right backspacing and setup. Spruell and Panasport both worked to take care of me with the speed I needed at the time. It was much appreciated. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud R" To: "Friends of triumph" Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > List, > > I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire > (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - > 0.75 inch offset. > > So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution > in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. > > Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the > Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but > they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels > on their website so I'm not sure about availability. > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Thu Mar 21 09:49:27 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:49:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR reminder Message-ID: There's still plenty of time to get make your plans for the upcoming weekend at VIR (April 12-14) . Already there are 13 Triumphs registered and include many of the biggest names in Triumph vintage racing, such as Tony, Henry, Bob, Mark, Charles, Jesse, David, Tim, Rob, Leo and others. If you're coming, please make sure to join us at the Triumph Ghetto on Friday evening for our cookout. All Triumph drivers, crews and hangers-on are most welcome. For event information and to register go to the VDCA website at www.vintagedrive.com. This is always a tremendous event with huge amounts of track time at one of the world's best racing venues. From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 12:50:44 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:50:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] cooling In-Reply-To: <1363721404.22306.androidMobile@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1363721404.22306.androidMobile@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9E469EA7-E53B-429C-9751-A3CBA58BF502@yahoo.com> I am going to run this setup and add an elevated fill tank (see black tank in the pic) off of a TVR. Ty [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image.jpeg] Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Mar 19, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > I run a very similar set up. > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Mar 21 05:55:10 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:55:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: <808948ed84f2df903119bafd4dabc905.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Many years ago, when I bought Panasports for my GT-6, I bought them from Spruell Motorsports and I can attest to their good customer service. John On Wed, March 20, 2013 11:20 pm, Rocky Entriken wrote: > About two years ago when I needed wheels for my HP Spitfire I got some > Panasports through Spruell Motorsports (www.spruellmotorsport.com -- > 800-552-2532). > > Don't worry that their website at the moment doesn't show any 13" wheels > under Triumph. Call 'em up, tell 'em what you need. They'll order direct > from Panasport. I was in a big hurry, so they put me in contact with the > Panasport guy and I ordered them direct from him, but he only sells > through > dealers so I did the sale through Spruell. > > In my case -- because I was in a rush -- the Panasport guy had wheels on > the > shelf with 4" backspace, so I bought them and he drilled them for the > Spitfire bolt circle and my stud size. Then I had a local machine shop > make > me spacers. And they use regular lugnuts. > > If you have the time, you can get them with the right backspacing and > setup. > Spruell and Panasport both worked to take care of me with the speed I > needed > at the time. It was much appreciated. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud R" > To: "Friends of triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:30 PM > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > >> List, >> >> I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire >> (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - >> 0.75 inch offset. >> >> So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution >> in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. >> >> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but >> they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels >> on their website so I'm not sure about availability. >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) >> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle >> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Mar 21 14:13:15 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Great Video Message-ID: <1725973362.848359.1363896795954.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> It's not a Triumph but it is a British Car in this great video from 1956. Mike Hawthorn in a D-type takes a lap of LeMans while providing real-time narration. Check out the pedestrian traffic! Excellent video quality so go full screen with sound. http://vimeo.com/59410466#at=0 Gary From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Mar 21 16:19:43 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:19:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> Message-ID: <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> I am surprised nobody commented on Bud's mention of VTO wheels. I was under the impression these were not really suitable for race use. Has opinion on these wheels changed? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud R" Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the > Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 21 19:41:54 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:41:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: I've been racing on VTO provided Superlite 8 spokes for 8 years , no problems. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:19 PM, wrote: > I am surprised nobody commented on Bud's mention of VTO wheels. I was under > the impression these were not really suitable for race use. Has opinion on > these wheels changed? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud R" > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > >> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 21 20:16:41 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:16:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Handmade References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> Not TR, but interesting Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Bob Perkins > Date: March 21, 2013, 7:48:45 PM EDT > To: Ed Youngblood , John Hasty > Subject: Fwd: Handmade > > I think you have seen this one before, but here again....enjoy.... > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Handmade > Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:39:35 -0500 > From: stanley baldwin > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > > Slowly scroll your way through the images, what do you think they're building? > 1 > > 2 > > 3 > > 4 > > 5 > > 6 > > 7 > > 8 > > 9 > > 10 > > 11 > > 12 > > 13 > > 14 > > 15 > > 16 > > 17 > > 18 > > 19 > > 20 > > 21 > > 22 > > 23 > > There are craftsmen...and there are Craftsmen !! > > The Morgan Motor Company located in Britain doesn't change in a changing world.C Not only is it still independent, but it also makes each car by hand. A base model is > about $44,000, with some cars costing up to $300,000. > > People wait for over a year to get their exclusive hand-built cars with the shell made out of metal and much of the vehicle made out of wood. Working on the wood interior, > workers use metal shears to individually shape a hood because each car has to be different. > > Every year Morgan produces about 600 cars. The company celebrated its 100th anniversary in 2011. It has a long and interesting history, and is still run by the same > family: the MorganC"s. Founded by Henry Frederick Stanley Morgan known as "HFS", it was then run by his son Peter, and is now run by Charles, the son of Peter Morgan. > > > C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 21 21:12:27 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:12:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Handmade In-Reply-To: <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. The forums [ link below ] do allow attachments. There isn't an FOT specific forum. Sometimes I do think that it may be useful to drop the mailing list and set up a forum on fot-racing.com. You could post pics on the Triumph forum, email the list a link to it. mjb. From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Mar 22 04:53:59 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:53:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> <21DA700BECB84AEF843F47981E178C5B@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1C002187C3DD4943B324125CA104E6BF@TRIUMPH.local> Bob, I was under the impression that VTO imported the Superlite line, they have been around for years and I know a couple of racers on them. As I understand it, they were priced about the same as the usual suspects, and are a good wheel. I didn't think that wheel was stiill available. Do your wheels have "VTO" cast into the rim? The Superlites I am thinking of do not. I seem to remember VTO launched it's current line of wheels a couple years back, and they were at that time offered at a price point significantly better than the usual suspects. These wheels are easily identified by the letters "VTO" cast into the rim. I saw a couple cars at car shows on these new wheels, and to me, the wheel did not look all that substantial. I thought I remembered a conversation about these wheels here on the FOT list, but an archive search turned up nothing. I just did a Google search, and it appears the MG racers are using them in hoards, with no apparent calamities. Not sure it any of the fast MG guys are running them, though. Anyway, it appears I stand corrected... YMMV Henry - a believer that you get what you pay for ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" Subject: Re: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire I've been racing on VTO provided Superlite 8 spokes for 8 years , no problems. From tjwakeman at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 07:08:36 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:08:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> On 3/21/13 8:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. I belong to 2 different email lists on google groups and they both allow attachments such as pictures. so we share jpegs whenever appropriate. Maybe it is time to retire the server and move over to google groups? It would give you more time to work on the Spit. Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a forum and try to find different current threads. TeriAnn From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 08:14:21 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] cooling Message-ID: <1363961661.43705.YahooMailNeo@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have been away for awhile but would like thank everyone for the feedback on cooling plumbing. Just the wrench John Wagner From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 21 15:05:37 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:05:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire In-Reply-To: <808948ed84f2df903119bafd4dabc905.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <36E9C90C-7EB4-48CC-A2E3-7F6A75BFCE66@comcast.net> <808948ed84f2df903119bafd4dabc905.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: Same experience for me as well Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 7:55 AM, "R. John Lye" wrote: > Many years ago, when I bought Panasports for my GT-6, I > bought them from Spruell Motorsports and I can attest to > their good customer service. > > John > > On Wed, March 20, 2013 11:20 pm, Rocky Entriken wrote: >> About two years ago when I needed wheels for my HP Spitfire I got some >> Panasports through Spruell Motorsports (www.spruellmotorsport.com -- >> 800-552-2532). >> >> Don't worry that their website at the moment doesn't show any 13" wheels >> under Triumph. Call 'em up, tell 'em what you need. They'll order direct >> from Panasport. I was in a big hurry, so they put me in contact with the >> Panasport guy and I ordered them direct from him, but he only sells >> through >> dealers so I did the sale through Spruell. >> >> In my case -- because I was in a rush -- the Panasport guy had wheels on >> the >> shelf with 4" backspace, so I bought them and he drilled them for the >> Spitfire bolt circle and my stud size. Then I had a local machine shop >> make >> me spacers. And they use regular lugnuts. >> >> If you have the time, you can get them with the right backspacing and >> setup. >> Spruell and Panasport both worked to take care of me with the speed I >> needed >> at the time. It was much appreciated. >> >> --Rocky Entriken >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bud R" >> To: "Friends of triumph" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:30 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire >> >> >>> List, >>> >>> I'm looking for a set of 13 x 6 inch alloy race wheels for my Spitfire >>> (4" x 3.75" (95.25mm). I need two with zero offset and two with - >>> 0.75 inch offset. >>> >>> So far the only 13 x 6 inch wheels I've found are made by Revolution >>> in the UK which means lots of shipping costs, etc.. >>> >>> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >>> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina and haven't heard back from them but >>> they only list 5.5 inch and not any 6 inch in 13 inch diameter wheels >>> on their website so I'm not sure about availability. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Bud Rolofson >>> >>> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) >>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >>> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle >>> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 21 20:08:38 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:08:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire Message-ID: <398350.46132.bm@smtp106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Ditto! -----Original Message----- From: "Bob Kramer" Sent: b3/b21/b2013 8:43 PM To: "" Cc: "Friends of triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire I've been racing on VTO provided Superlite 8 spokes for 8 years , no problems. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:19 PM, wrote: > I am surprised nobody commented on Bud's mention of VTO wheels. I was under > the impression these were not really suitable for race use. Has opinion on > these wheels changed? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud R" > Subject: [Fot] Alloy Race Wheels Spitfire > > >> Does anyone know of a US source? I called about some VTO wheels at the >> Acme Speed Shop in South Carolina > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 11:58:09 2013 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:58:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video Message-ID: <23204261.1363975089502.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Here are some highlights from my in-car TR3 video last weekend battling Porsche 914's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSp5winf3fY&feature=share ~Steve From sjanzen at me.com Fri Mar 22 12:23:17 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:23:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs References: <8A418BB1-4E46-4F5E-B137-94F84BEF1207@me.com> Message-ID: so, watched Steve's video and another one caught my eye - 1989 runoffs with Jack Wheeler in a TR4 battling it out for 3rd place (ended up in fourth). Some really nice footage and great racing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Naa17-HtsQ&feature=endscreen From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri Mar 22 14:29:28 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:29:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Forum style for me. Edward Dunn 1971 GT6 #757 1964 Soitfire #22 West coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D-101 Encinitas, CA 92024 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] mail lists On 3/21/13 8:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. I belong to 2 different email lists on google groups and they both allow attachments such as pictures. so we share jpegs whenever appropriate. Maybe it is time to retire the server and move over to google groups? It would give you more time to work on the Spit. Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a forum and try to find different current threads. TeriAnn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 22 15:07:46 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:07:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net> <8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com> <514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: For those of us who are IT challenged, the site is just fine. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Forum style for me. > > Edward Dunn > 1971 GT6 #757 > 1964 Soitfire #22 > > West coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D-101 > Encinitas, CA 92024 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:09 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] mail lists > > On 3/21/13 8:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> The email lists are old school, no pictures and such. > I belong to 2 different email lists on google groups and they both allow > attachments such as pictures. so we share jpegs whenever appropriate. > Maybe it is time to retire the server and move over to google groups? > It would give you more time to work on the Spit. > > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a forum > and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Mar 22 16:28:31 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists Message-ID: <514CDB0F.9080704@blacksburg.net> On 3/22/2013 9:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to a > forum and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > I agree, I'd much rather have our current setup. That's why I click the Donate link from time to time. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 22 16:57:15 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:57:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514CDB0F.9080704@blacksburg.net> References: <514CDB0F.9080704@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <007c01ce2750$994efa80$cbecef80$@net> I like the current setup too Racer Bud -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:29 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists On 3/22/2013 9:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to > a forum and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > I agree, I'd much rather have our current setup. That's why I click the Donate link from time to time. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 22 18:18:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs...now KASTNER CUP 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <8A418BB1-4E46-4F5E-B137-94F84BEF1207@me.com> Message-ID: <8CFF573200D2C43-1B38-525B8@webmail-d289.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Scott, I think I see Hardy in there, too. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Wheeler is planning to drive in and join us at ROAD AMERICA for the KASTNER CUP, once again. Hardy Prentice has been invited. We would really like to see him. Jerry Barker will be with us, of course, as well as Sam Halkias. Running FIVE TRIUMPHS between the two of them. A plethora of TRIUMPH NATIONAL CHAMPS. Am I missing anyone? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Fri, Mar 22, 2013 1:23 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs so, watched Steve's video and another one caught my eye - 1989 runoffs with Jack Wheeler in a TR4 battling it out for 3rd place (ended up in fourth). Some really nice footage and great racing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Naa17-HtsQ&feature=endscreen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 22 17:35:11 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:35:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] mail lists Message-ID: <832979.78125.bm@smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yes! - let's hear it for old school. -----Original Message----- From: "RACER BUD" Sent: b3/b22/b2013 6:00 PM To: "'J.C. Hassall'" ; "'fot'" Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists I like the current setup too Racer Bud -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:29 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists On 3/22/2013 9:08 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Personally I prefer to have emails arrive at my computer than to go to > a forum and try to find different current threads. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > I agree, I'd much rather have our current setup. That's why I click the Donate link from time to time. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Mar 23 05:53:37 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:53:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Even for those of us who are not IT challenged, the mail list format is preferred! I would probably adapt to checking in on a forum occasionally, but pushing the content into my email means I will look at it when checking my email. Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into making this all work for us. We all owe this guy, please click the donate button from time to time... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists > For those of us who are IT challenged, the site is just fine. From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Sat Mar 23 08:02:28 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:02:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA West Willow Springs Video and 1989 run-offs In-Reply-To: References: <8A418BB1-4E46-4F5E-B137-94F84BEF1207@me.com> Message-ID: <4CBB872F-E73D-4664-A47B-2717E9553559@yahoo.com> Those were the good days Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > so, watched Steve's video and another one caught my eye - 1989 runoffs with > Jack Wheeler in a TR4 battling it out for 3rd place (ended up in fourth). > Some really nice footage and great racing! > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Naa17-HtsQ&feature=endscreen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From spitfiresuz at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 08:24:07 2013 From: spitfiresuz at gmail.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:24:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] '66 TR4 in eBay Stories Today Message-ID: <514DBB07.7050409@gmail.com> http://ebay-stories.com/a-66-classic-car-your-ultimate-triumph Pretty cool! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- ** Oh, I would just KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize! ** From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 08:37:19 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:37:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <514DBE1F.3020308@gmail.com> On 3/23/13 4:53 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into making this > all work for us. We all owe this guy, That's why I was thinking the mail lists that Mark manages should switch over to being google groups email lists. Having a mail list that Mark didn't need to devote a lot of time and money to just to keep the server and lists going would free him up to do other things. And it would give us the advantage of being able to add pictures to our list emails. TeriAnn From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 23 08:37:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] '66 TR4 in eBay Stories Today In-Reply-To: <514DBB07.7050409@gmail.com> References: <514DBB07.7050409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CFF5EB20D35E58-7C0-4F7E2@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com> Of course this TR4A is in AMES, IOWA and is owned by our newly minted FOT member. Son Mark called and said there are those in the AIR FORCE community that remember this car very well. This TR4A is identical to the first TR4A this family owned. We'd like to have it, but enuff is enuf. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Susan Kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, Mar 23, 2013 9:25 am Subject: [Fot] '66 TR4 in eBay Stories Today http://ebay-stories.com/a-66-classic-car-your-ultimate-triumph Pretty cool! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -- ** Oh, I would just KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize! ** _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Mar 23 10:22:27 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:22:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non triumph non car but... Message-ID: <1DFE25F3-9512-4719-8097-4B096A9F1202@aol.com> I have a vintage late 70's soda machine that needs a good home. Needs a few light bulbs. Needs help cooling but I am working on it. Dispenses cans. Holds 50 plus cans. Google vendo v348 soda machine. I have it listed on feebay and a few other places. I have pictures. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 23 15:26:14 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:26:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <514E1DF6.3050406@bradakis.com> yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Even for those of us who are not IT challenged, the mail list format is > preferred! I would probably adapt to checking in on a forum occasionally, > but pushing the content into my email means I will look at it when checking > my email. > > Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into making this > all work for us. We all owe this guy, please click the donate button from > time to time... > Thanks for the plug, Henry. I'm several months behind in getting out thank yous to some folks. If folks want to be able to send pictures through this list I can set that up. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 23 16:40:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:40:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another note Message-ID: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Something I changed a while back some of you may have noticed. There was a period when a bunch of yahoo and aol email accounts were getting hijacked and send out spam messages to the list. Usually these types of messages would go out to all the addresses in the victim's address book. What I did was to set the maximum number of recipients to a low number, 3. So if you reply to a list message and there are more than three people listed in the to and cc lines, the message gets held for review. That is one reason you may get an error response from the server, and then have to wait a day or so for me to go through and approve legitimate messages. mjb. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Mar 23 16:55:36 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:55:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another note In-Reply-To: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> References: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Thank you for that information. I like the email list. I don't need anymore forums or groups to go to. Chris On Mar 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Something I changed a while back some of you may have noticed. > There was a period when a bunch of yahoo and aol email accounts > were getting hijacked and send out spam messages to the list. > Usually these types of messages would go out to all the addresses > in the victim's address book. What I did was to set the maximum > number of recipients to a low number, 3. So if you reply to a list > message and there are more than three people listed in the to and > cc lines, the message gets held for review. That is one reason you > may get an error response from the server, and then have to wait a day > or so for me to go through and approve legitimate messages. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From gaf3 at charter.net Sat Mar 23 17:04:02 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:04:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another note In-Reply-To: References: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <514E34E2.6010708@charter.net> I prefer the email list and I get frustrated by some of these forums. Keep it simple Mark Glenn On 3/23/2013 6:55 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Thank you for that information. > > I like the email list. I don't need anymore forums or groups to go to. > > Chris > > On Mar 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > >> Something I changed a while back some of you may have noticed. >> There was a period when a bunch of yahoo and aol email accounts >> were getting hijacked and send out spam messages to the list. >> Usually these types of messages would go out to all the addresses >> in the victim's address book. What I did was to set the maximum >> number of recipients to a low number, 3. So if you reply to a list >> message and there are more than three people listed in the to and >> cc lines, the message gets held for review. That is one reason you >> may get an error response from the server, and then have to wait a day >> or so for me to go through and approve legitimate messages. >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 17:32:09 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:32:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Another note In-Reply-To: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> References: <514E2F40.1020306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0B97F2D5-B9EC-4555-A749-82ED5117E1A9@bnj.com> I belong to a number of forums, and they take a lot more of my time and attention than the FOT mail. There's a zillion ways to send photos or movies--the list accepts links. It's easy to upload a wad of photos to any of the photo or video services and provide a link. Like so: http://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Canyonbot.jpg From jaboruch at netzero.com Sat Mar 23 18:16:19 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 00:16:19 GMT Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating Message-ID: <20130323.201619.31731.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> I have been debating the merits of coating a steel shim head gasket with a Fluoroelastomer (Viton) coating. Cometic gaskets are Viton coated. There are Fluoroelastomer coatings available in aerosol cans. Have any of you tried anything like this? Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! From mmoore at wave1.net Sun Mar 24 05:45:27 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:45:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] mail lists In-Reply-To: <514E1DF6.3050406@bradakis.com> References: <514B9C5D.5060206@verizon.net><8B97F9A4-DE7A-4CD7-8706-F393D48D53D8@gdhs.com><514BCC1B.20308@bradakis.com> <514C57D4.2070302@gmail.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417AF3306@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <514E1DF6.3050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000801ce2885$144f3620$3ceda260$@net> As a new member I did not realize what donate link was at bottom, would be good idea to remind members every now and then to donate, god knows I wouldn't have the time to do what Mark does and I really appreciate it. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:26 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] mail lists yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Even for those of us who are not IT challenged, the mail list format > is preferred! I would probably adapt to checking in on a forum > occasionally, but pushing the content into my email means I will look > at it when checking my email. > > Remember Mark Bradakis puts countless hours of his own time into > making this all work for us. We all owe this guy, please click the > donate button from time to time... > Thanks for the plug, Henry. I'm several months behind in getting out thank yous to some folks. If folks want to be able to send pictures through this list I can set that up. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 06:22:32 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:22:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 Event Shirts Message-ID: Ok boys and girls the 2013 version of the Kastner Cup shirts is now ready to order. If you go to the FOT website http://fot-racing.com/feature/2013roadam/shirt.htm you can gaze upon Steve Belfers artistry. The shirts will have the artwork as seen on the web site on the front and we will once again have the competitors names and car info on the backs of the shirts. Ted Schumacher will be taking on the duties of getting the shirts printed. The procedure will be the same as last years orders. You will need to send me an email to trmarty at hotmail.com with the number of shirts you want and sizes. Be sure to include your ship to address and contact phone number even if you intend to pick them up at the event. You can either have Ted mail you the shirts or pick them up at the Road America event. I will start taking orders now and stop taking them on July 15th. After I compile the order a few days after the July 15 cutoff date I will send emails out to the email addresses you sent me when you ordered the shirt advising you that it is time to contact Ted and make your arrangements to pay Ted directly. The prices for the shirts will be as follows, S-XL $15.00, for XXL add $2.80, for XXL, add $3.00. These prices will be plus mailing cost if you have Ted mail them. That my preferred method :). From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 06:44:31 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:44:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need Names for the Kastner Cup Shirts Message-ID: As you have read in my previous email we are once again including the the Kastner Cup competitors names and car info on the back of the shirts. If you are planning on competing in this years Kastner Cup at Road America please send me an email to trmarty at hotmail.com with KC Shirt Names in the subject line with your first and last name, your car model and your car number. If you know of any Triumph folks that are planning on competing but do not do the list stuff please forward this info to them so their info can be included on the shirts as well. From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 07:11:37 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Shirt order update Message-ID: When you send me the shirt order please include if you will be picking them up at the track or getting them mailed to you. Also, the $3.00 up charge was for XXXL shirts. I left off an X. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 24 08:40:02 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:40:02 +0100 Subject: [Fot] US cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301ce289d$79d43550$6d7c9ff0$@com> I was looking for an US tow car and bought a H3. I was not sure about the offroad capabilities but now - after a mud bath - I'm deeply impressed. Great US car - chapeau! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p4zAcY53pQ Cheers Chris From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 24 12:06:51 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:06:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] US cars Message-ID: <18171.1364148411@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Sorry you got one of those. You could of had the real deal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps [1] Charly On Sun 24/03/13 7:40 AM , "MadMarx" tr4racing at googlemail.com sent: I was looking for an US tow car and bought a H3. I was not sure about the offroad capabilities but now - after a mud bath - I'm deeply impressed. Great US car - chapeau! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p4zAcY53pQ [2] Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [4] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [5] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [6] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [7] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [8] Links: ------ [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.co m%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3p4zAcY53pQ [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [8] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 24 12:16:10 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:16:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] US cars In-Reply-To: <18171.1364148411@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <18171.1364148411@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <000301ce28bb$ac2340f0$0469c2d0$@com> Ahb&.hmmmmb&..too many women sitting in those. Chris Von: Charly [mailto:charly at mitchelplumbing.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. MC$rz 2013 19:07 An: 'FOT'; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] US cars Sorry you got one of those. You could of had the real deal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps Charly On Sun 24/03/13 7:40 AM , "MadMarx" tr4racing at googlemail.com sent: I was looking for an US tow car and bought a H3. I was not sure about the offroad capabilities but now - after a mud bath - I'm deeply impressed. Great US car - chapeau! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p4zAcY53pQ Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 24 12:34:11 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] US cars Message-ID: <5b829.1bd185e.3e80a123@aol.com> Yeah, that's always been my complaint. Too many women jumping into my Range Rover..... In a message dated 3/24/2013 11:22:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 24 12:35:47 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:35:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] US cars In-Reply-To: <5b829.1bd185e.3e80a123@aol.com> References: <5b829.1bd185e.3e80a123@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01ce28be$69b06bf0$3d1143d0$@com> Well  The bad thing with a Range Rover is, that the young ladies jumping on the drivers seat. The good thing with Hummer is that the young ladies taking place on all other seats J Von: Gt6steve at aol.com [mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Mdrz 2013 19:34 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; charly at mitchelplumbing.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] US cars Yeah, that's always been my complaint. Too many women jumping into my Range Rover..... In a message dated 3/24/2013 11:22:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEDY7P8Vps From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 24 15:22:56 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Message-ID: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Mar 24 15:46:56 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:46:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: That is a terrific book! The author has a actually raced cars. He was spot on with so many facts. Highly recommend! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Mar 24 16:16:29 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:16:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill, I have it sitting on my desk, but yet to start it. I'm a bit leery of the ending. I do love dogs. Terry Stetler From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 16:32:07 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:32:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: Just a fun great book. Read a few months ago, you will enjoy it. I inderstand the author is a racer in Northern California as he describes the track at Thunder Hill. fun and funny. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > That is a terrific book! The author has a actually raced cars. He was > spot on with so many facts. Highly recommend! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Amici... > > > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent > reference to > > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something > about > > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be > told > > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is > self-educated > > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and > racing...for that > > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 17:53:03 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 13:53:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <19C10687-C56F-419A-A5A0-7D7E358AD96D@bnj.com> Good book, a Seattle guy, as if that wasn't obvious. On Mar 24, 2013, at 11:22 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From tr6nut at verizon.net Sun Mar 24 18:28:29 2013 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:28:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <514F9A2D.7050802@verizon.net> I read it last year. A very good read. Hugh Barber On 3/24/2013 5:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6nut at verizon.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 19:44:04 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] K Cup shirt questions Message-ID: Please re-read below from the original post so I wont have to answer this individually as I am getting allot of questions and it's only Sunday night. :) Thanks, Marty Be sure to include your ship to address and contact phone number even if you intend to pick them up at the event. You can either have Ted mail you the shirts or pick them up at the Road America event. I will start taking orders now and stop taking them on July 15th. After I compile the order a few days after the July 15 cutoff date I will send emails out to the email addresses you sent me when you ordered the shirt advising you that it is time to contact Ted and make your arrangements to pay From mlcooknj at msn.com Sun Mar 24 20:12:12 2013 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:12:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: I have read it through twice and will probably do it again in future. It's a rare book about car people that can be appreciated by non-car folks as well. Mike Cook > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:22:56 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... > > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun Mar 24 23:32:28 2013 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:32:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: Truly wonderful book. Setting is not only Seattle but also my childhood stomping grounds on Mercer Island. Pretty sure I know the house the "evil grandparents" lived in. Supposed to be coming out in a movie. Barley would have been a shoe-in. We actually almost got him a audition. Of course, Barley had enough "racer balance" that he didn't need to be belted in with a sheet but we tried that once too and he didn't seem to mind. Great book but keep the tissues close by. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque New Mexico... and gunnin' for Road America On Mar 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The > Art of > Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent > reference to > it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which > keeps > coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows > something about > racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story > to be told > about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is > told > the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is > self-educated > via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could > probably > save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and > racing...for that > matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 06:17:18 2013 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Very good book. I have loaned my copy to many others who have enjoyed the book as well. ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 24 15:35:35 2013 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steve Benford Jr.) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:35:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Message-ID: <6ba2ydb1utf3hwq0vcruj65b.1364160935079@email.android.com> Great read. I know the story sounds corny but it really is a wonderful story. NOT a Burt book, but written by a real racer. It will touch your soul but you will have to read it to understand why. BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Amici... > >Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of >Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to >it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps >coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about >racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told >about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told >the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated >via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably >save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that >matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net From riverside at southslope.net Mon Mar 25 11:01:35 2013 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My wife bought it for me a couple years ago thinking it was just a car book. What a great surprise to find a dog book between the covers! The perfect book: a knowledgeable picture of racing and great yarn told by a smart dog. I have loaned it out several times. To those not yet to the end: You're gonna love it! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:17 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Very good book. I have loaned my copy to many others who have enjoyed the book as well. ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6201 - Release Date: 03/24/13 From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 12:31:00 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had the good fortune to hear Garth speak at our small, local Alfa club meeting last month and to speak with him afterwards. He did indeed race Spec Miata in our Pacific NW Internation Conference of Sports Car Clubs. I saw the hood at a local shop wwith his signature. It was somewhat crumpled! Don Kitch, who is mentioned in the book is a real person and he does run ProformanceRace Drving School at Pacific Raceways. Garth told lots of stories about events that the book has triggered in his life. Two great ones were about the relationship that developed with Ferrari following the bookd sucess: Getting a 450 and a photographer for a day in LA and, in Modena getting a one on one factory tour that very unexpectedly included a tour of the design shop [visitors are never allowed there!] directed by Luca Cordero di Montezemolo [chairman of Ferrari] himself. He is a very friendly and approachable guy. For all you budding authors, note that his agent at the time could not get the book published as "Who would read a book written from a dog's perspective?". Big mistake, book is now in 30 languages and over 10 million copies sold. Chuck From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 13:07:31 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:07:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> <1364213838.67207.YahooMailNeo@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, and also. the name for the book came from a two page write up Don Kitch gives to all his SCCA class students -- very necessary info for the NW. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Mon, 25 Mar 2013, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > > He is a very friendly and approachable guy. For all you budding authors, >> note that his agent at the time could not get the book published as "Who >> would read a book written from a dog's perspective?". Big mistake, book >> is >> now in 30 languages and over 10 million copies sold. >> > > LIKE!!!! > > I'm not a budding author, but I always root for the little guy! > > Chuck >> > > Hope all is well in the PAC NW > > l8r, > rml > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- From peter at nosimport.com Mon Mar 25 13:44:17 2013 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:44:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Message-ID: <20130325194409.C6A66F441C9@mx2.netinteraction.com> >. NOT a Burt book, but written by a real racer. now THAT'S funny....... It IS a great book, btw. Peter C From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Mar 25 13:49:37 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <5150AA51.9050408@pobox.com> For those of you who are lazy (like me) it is also available in audible form. Would be a good book to listen to while on a long tow to a race. I immediately thought of Barley and Lunker when I heard it, since he has the dog and the Seattle background. Larry From apackard68 at att.net Mon Mar 25 13:56:14 2013 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andy Packard) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:56:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <20130325194409.C6A66F441C9@mx2.netinteraction.com> References: <20130325194409.C6A66F441C9@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: <63C8061E-24DB-41FD-8499-859312236DF9@att.net> Just bought it on iBooks for 2.99. Good read for the train. Andy Packard Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: >> . NOT a Burt book, but written by a real racer. > > > now THAT'S funny....... > > > > It IS a great book, btw. > > > Peter C > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68 at att.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 11:44:49 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:44:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Message-ID: Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 12:22:52 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:22:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Vince Garrett 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk #144 Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) Registered with CASC Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following all you experts around the course :) Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. Looking forward! Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > subtractions. > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Tue Mar 26 12:30:48 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:30:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD2EB@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Ed Dunn 1964 Spitfire #22 or maybe; 1971 GT6 #757 Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:45 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 12:51:56 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:51:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <8CFF86793C0FF9F-26AC-10036@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFF86793C0FF9F-26AC-10036@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: LOL. maybe I'll miss Canada corner on the last lap so I might get home quicker AND with a big smile on my face :) Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 2:33 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > Vince, > > We are going to have a big six cylinder showing. > > Equipment and Drivers are all over the map in preparation and speed. > You will have someone to race with and plenty of support in the paddock. > > We are pleased we are going to have great representation from Canada. > > Remember, if you miss CANADA CORNER, you may end up back in Canada. > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 1:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > > > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for > > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in > > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before > > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > > subtractions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty Sukey > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Mar 26 13:00:12 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the drivers seat... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Vince G To: marty sukey Cc: FOT Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Vince Garrett 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk #144 Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) Registered with CASC Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following all you experts around the course :) Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. Looking forward! Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > subtractions. > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From sjanzen at me.com Tue Mar 26 14:27:17 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little buggers, if we are all still running by September. That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: 1970 Triumph GT-6+ #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the drivers seat... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Vince G To: marty sukey Cc: FOT Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Vince Garrett 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk #144 Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) Registered with CASC Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following all you experts around the course :) Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. Looking forward! Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for > the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in > September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, > even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the > shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning > work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before > the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or > subtractions. > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Mar 26 17:24:44 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:24:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> I always thought that was the MGs Sent from my mobile device On Mar 26, 2013, at 6:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little >> buggers, if we are all still running by September. >> That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ >> #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the >> drivers >> seat... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Vince G >> To: marty sukey >> Cc: FOT >> Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers >> >> Vince Garrett >> 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk >> #144 >> Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) >> Registered with CASC >> >> Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun >> following >> all you experts around the course :) >> >> Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... >> >> My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. >> >> Looking forward! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: >> >>> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started >> for >>> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event >> in >>> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >>> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >>> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >>> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. >> Before >>> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >>> subtractions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Marty Sukey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 19:46:31 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:46:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I here yu. Mines in pieces and in deep freeze... Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 3:00 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Mar 27 08:43:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA.ORG News you can use....KASTNER CUP 2013 Message-ID: <8CFF910A3C07A38-26AC-17BCF@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> VSCDA.ORG is beginning to flesh out information on ELVF and the KASTNER CUP. Please monitor this site as it may answer your questions. There is also a link to ROADAMERICA.COM. Everyone should review these sites, that plan to go. There is something for everyone, whether you are driving or not. TOURING ON THE TRACK SATURDAY AND SUNDAY OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT SATURDAY AFTERNOON (RACE & STREET) WELCOME DINNER FRIDAY NIGHT FOR CREW AND OVERCREW PLUS TRIUMPH CAR SHOW (RACE & STREET) GATHER ON THE GREEN. A CAR SHOW AND LIVE MUSIC AT THE OSTHOFF. (SUBMIT YOUR CAR FOR ACCEPTANCE. SATURDAY NIGHT BANQUET FEATURING KAS KASTNER AS SPEAKER. KASTNER CUP IS ON SUNDAY AND AWARDS WILL BE PRESENTED AT THE PODIUM.....WE PLAN ON AN AWARD FOR EACH MODEL TRIUMPH....IN ADDITION TO THE KASTNER CUP....THIS IS A FIRST. Notes: We will want to get as many folks on CREW & OVERCREW as we can. There is some work going on to streamline this process. This will get us all together at the WELCOME DINNER as it should be. This is on Friday night. Thursday night: We are planning to do GROUP TECH in our FOT PADDOCK area...likely between 4-6 PM. I have inquired with a local restaurant that will deliver broasted chicken and pizza to the gate on THURSDAY evening so we can remain on site. Details to be worked out. Early indications: ENTRIES may be a record breaker....certainly this may be the most significant Kastner Cup we have ever had. Please feel to edit and publish this information if you are involved with CLUBS and PUBLICATIONS. Thanks! Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 26 15:29:50 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:29:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <096F66A4-078F-47A5-9D4C-44C120318F39@aol.com> Six.... ;) Chuck On Mar 26, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Mar 26 15:40:27 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:40:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14E20477-659E-4F29-80A8-9B855ADD8B94@comcast.net> I hear they are pack hunters. Jimg Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Mar 26 16:06:22 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:06:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Mar 26 18:29:25 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:29:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> Message-ID: John, I've moved on to dropping tacks. The smoke screen just seemed too temporary for a race as big as the Kastner Cup. Since Road America is so long, the heads on the tacks wear down over the coarse of a lap and have seemed to go undetected thus far, resulting in a race ending slow leak. Try to get ahead this time, There's no telling what might happen to you back there. These Kastner Cup races are getting pretty competitive. Since I've tried to keep the car legal to the 1972 regulations, you'll perhaps be surprised that the GCR says nothing about prohibiting the dropping of tacks. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:24:44 To: John Hasty Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers I always thought that was the MGs Sent from my mobile device On Mar 26, 2013, at 6:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little >> buggers, if we are all still running by September. >> That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ >> #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the >> drivers >> seat... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Vince G >> To: marty sukey >> Cc: FOT >> Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers >> >> Vince Garrett >> 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk >> #144 >> Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) >> Registered with CASC >> >> Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun >> following >> all you experts around the course :) >> >> Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... >> >> My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. >> >> Looking forward! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: >> >>> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started >> for >>> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event >> in >>> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >>> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >>> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >>> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. >> Before >>> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >>> subtractions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Marty Sukey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Mar 26 19:45:17 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:45:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Awesome Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-26, at 4:29 PM, "Scott Janzen" wrote: > Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little > buggers, if we are all still running by September. > That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > 1970 Triumph GT-6+ > #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in the > drivers > seat... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Vince G > To: marty sukey > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers > > Vince Garrett > 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk > #144 > Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) > Registered with CASC > > Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun > following > all you experts around the course :) > > Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... > > My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. > > Looking forward! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: > >> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started > for >> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event > in >> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, >> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the >> shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning >> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. > Before >> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or >> subtractions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 26 20:14:58 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301ce2a90$e322a9c0$a967fd40$@com> Tim and Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 VSCDA ERA Correct Two large T-shirts, please Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:45 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Mar 27 06:47:22 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:47:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> References: <1364324412.87390.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <67037F76-019A-4F98-8AE4-484AEEB27ED3@gdhs.com> <0B26EFF2-087F-49B8-B36A-3F3F0288B61D@me.com> Message-ID: <001a01ce2ae9$3a2171e0$ae6455a0$@comcast.net> OK Scot when did you buy the MG?? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:25 PM To: John Hasty Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers I always thought that was the MGs Sent from my mobile device On Mar 26, 2013, at 6:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Scot, the only thing I can tell you is to get some night vision > goggles to help see through the thick cloud of blue smoke they lay down to prevent you from a clear view of the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> Scott Janzen 1968 GT6+. With Jason, that makes at least five of the little >> buggers, if we are all still running by September. >> That would be a hoot. I've never been on the same track with another GT6. >> >> On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >> 1970 Triumph GT-6+ >> #39 DP race prepared.... SOMETIMES it runs, I hope by summer I'm in >> the drivers seat... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Vince G >> To: marty sukey >> Cc: FOT >> Sent: Tue, March 26, 2013 1:26:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers >> >> Vince Garrett >> 1970 Triumph GT6+. Red/Wht/Blk >> #144 >> Club VARAC (Ontario Canada) >> Registered with CASC >> >> Pretty much stock power train and drive line. I expect to have fun >> following >> all you experts around the course :) >> >> Holidays booked its just a question of finances and I'm working on it.... >> >> My first "Out of Canada" event and will be an honor if I can pull it off. >> >> Looking forward! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-03-26, at 1:45 PM, "marty sukey" wrote: >> >>> Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even >>> started >> for >>> the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event >> in >>> September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the >>> shirt list, >>> even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to >>> the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up >>> front planning >>> work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. >> Before >>> the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions >>> or subtractions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Marty Sukey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Mar 27 11:56:19 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:56:19 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501ce2b14$65b516b0$311f4410$@com> I've booked a flight to come and about 3 people would lend their cars to me to have a go with you guys. I also share a room with one of you so all lights are on go for the event :-) Cheers Chris Marx from Germany -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von marty sukey Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Mdrz 2013 18:45 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From dforeman at fooddude.com Wed Mar 27 16:56:17 2013 From: dforeman at fooddude.com (FoodDude) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CVAR/Hallet arrival Message-ID: <01ff01ce2b3e$4bb4a620$e31df260$@fooddude.com> If you want to be admitted Thursday evening, you MUST be registered for the Friday T&T, according to the track. See ya'll there! Dave Foreman #24 1964 Triumph Spitfire #22 1970 Triumph TR6 (Chump) 1964 Triumph TR4 (X2) 1975 Triumph TR6 (a pattern has developed...) From jibjib at att.net Wed Mar 27 18:09:35 2013 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:09:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... In-Reply-To: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> References: <56c40.4ac0bc5f.3e80c8b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <7154C58F8242443A9DAA8D21C4C831D4@EntCentPC> Great book. I was not impressed with his other books though. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The Art of Racing in the Rain... Amici... Anyone else reading, or read, a book by Garth Stein called, "The Art of Racing in the Rain"? I stumbled onto it as the result of a recent reference to it in the book section of the USA Today. Granted the racing, which keeps coming up over and over again (and clearly this author knows something about racing), but it mostly just provides a background for a sad story to be told about life and human nature. And here's the gimmick...the story is told the eyes of a dog...named Enzo. And Enzo is one hip dog. He is self-educated via TV. If he could talk, and had an opposable thumb, he could probably save the world. He knows all about humans, their lives, and racing...for that matter. I am only up to Chapter 9, but it is quite fascinating. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Mar 27 20:15:37 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP Message-ID: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph related, but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country Reporter, and it shows that not everything has become modernized. Enjoy -Ed- --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: From: Jack L. Tyler Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP To: "Jack L. Tyler" Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM Hi Yball, Just thought you might enjoy this. Jack Tyler B Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few moments and watch this. American Heartland. B B Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. Pepper (soda pop) and B some peanuts". B B http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded B B B B From mark at bradakis.com Wed Mar 27 20:45:20 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:45:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5153AEC0.10905@bradakis.com> Very nice. mjb. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Mar 27 20:43:12 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:43:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001ce2b5d$fed2bde0$fc7839a0$@com> That's probably one of the last machine shops in the country that's run with line shafts! There was one in Fond du Lac (WI), a long narrow shop with a single line shaft, around about 1963 or 1964. I think it was gone by 1970. Too bad, a neat place. At the time it was the only place in town you could get some decent hardware. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:16 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph related, but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country Reporter, and it shows that not everything has become modernized. Enjoy -Ed- --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: From: Jack L. Tyler Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP To: "Jack L. Tyler" Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM Hi Yball, Just thought you might enjoy this. Jack Tyler B Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few moments and watch this. American Heartland. B B Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. Pepper (soda pop) and B some peanuts". B B http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded B B B B _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Mar 27 21:02:36 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:02:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Mar 27 21:25:21 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:25:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: OMG Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-27, at 11:03 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Mar 28 02:35:39 2013 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:35:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and function. Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts stores......... Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Mar 28 06:23:14 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:23:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak the language. Marty > I am going to write to their corporate office. From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 08:01:28 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:01:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <6DD48E55-5C13-4CCF-99D0-8363B6E02497@gmail.com> Napas in our area have disappeared. The last independent auto parts store in Austin sold out about 15 years ago. Curiously, the best service I've had in recent years is from a 20-something young lady at O'Reilly's in Bastrop, TX. I would try to get her to serve me since she would take the time to research, making phone calls to the central catalog library if necessary, until she had exhausted the possibilities. She said her dad made sure she knew how to find what auto parts customers were looking for. Too bad she's moved on, so now all I get is the blank stare and a flat reply of "we don't have that" with no attempt to dig deeper. But -- occasionally I will insist that they keep looking, ignoring what the computer says about their inventory, and calling in to the catalog library if necessary to see what crosses over or what can be ordered. But one of the real gems for non-engine related stuff in Austin is Breed & Co. (Ace) hardware. I can go in there and say, "I'm trying to fabricate something that will perform this function; it has to be made of X and be about so big." These guys (about half of them over retirement age, so probably just working there to stay busy) love a challenge and will often find me something I can adapt to work. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Mar 28, 2013, at 7:23 AM, marty sukey wrote: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak > the language. > > Marty From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Mar 28 08:04:11 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> My recent AutoZone experience: @ parts counter Me: Do you have Champion RN9YC spark plugs in stock? AutoZone Guy: How many do you need? Me: I need four but I'll buy eight if you have them. AZG: What car are they for? Me: I know you don't have the car in your database. AZG: That's the only way I can look them up? Me: You can't search by part number? AZG: No. Me: Really? .well ok, it's a 1962 Triumph Spitfire AZG: Well there's your problem, we don't carry motorcycle parts. Me: It's a car. >Click click click. AZG: No, we don't have that car listed in out parts database but let me check the stock shelves. >At this point AutoZone Guy spends about 5 minutes going through every bin containing Champion spark-plugs looking for RN9YCs. AZG: We don't seem to have them on the shelf; what car was that again? Me: 1962 Triumph Spitfire AZG: we have a '63 Herald with an 1100 engine. Me: That's it. Same engine. What plug does it list? AZG: Champion RN9YC Me: Do you have it in stock? AZG: No. Robert MacKenzie -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:03 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Mar 28 08:42:58 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 OSTHOFF RESERVATIONS Message-ID: <8CFF9D9AC7FE676-26AC-21410@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Our FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH group likely has a record number of advance reservations in place for 1-2-3 Bedroom Suites at the OSTHOFF, for the ELVF. (The suites are very cost effective when shared with other friends and family and loaded with amenities.) We exceeded our contract agreement a long time ago and they wanted to rewrite the contract. I ignored this request, but they have continued to accept reservations........I will be checking on the status of reservations, shortly. If you are having a problem, we will try to work it out. Regard this a last call on this subject. OSTHOFF.COM is their website. When calling in use "FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH" for the discount code. If attempting to reserve online, use "FRIENDS". If you want more days than what is specified in the contract, I am sure they will work with you. The OSTHOFF is the center of several activities on Saturday afternoon. "GATHER ON THE GREEN", LIVE MUSIC, OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT, and the VSCDA BANQUET with KAS as SPEAKER. The OSTHOFF is very close to ROAD AMERICA and once at the OSTHOFF everything in the village is within walking distance. This can be a very pleasurable weekend with low stress, if you are aware of all of the planning. Monitor "VSCDA.ORG" for information as it is loaded in. It will have PDFs on entering GATHER ON THE GREEN, the OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT, as well as DRIVER ENTRIES and TRACK TOURING. VSCDA is a class act and this is likely the best vintage race event in North America Joe Alexander KASTNER CUP 2013 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 08:59:47 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <929881507.232582.1364482787981.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I recently went into an AutoZone to grab a couple head lights for my TR3 and the fellow asked to look up the car. When he looked it up he said they didn't have them in stock. I said, dude just point me to the head light isle and gee wiz, there they were. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "gasket works" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:02:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 28 09:23:43 2013 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:23:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>, <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> Message-ID: This is nothing new for AutoZone... I ran into the same problem back in the early "oughts" with my TR4. I wanted Bosch platinum spark plugs for the Greenman. I had crossed referenced them previously with a Saab plug, which I previously happened across by accident in the auto department of Walmart. The kid at the computer told me "there was no such spark plug as there wasn't anything like a 1962 Triumph TR4 in his computer"... so it didn't exist... I asked to see his manager then took the both of them out to the parking lot to show them the "nonexistent" car. When the manager started getting pissy I walked away. I went to NAPA where there were car guys and not shoe salesmen on staff. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: list at mackenzie.aero > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:04:11 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > My recent AutoZone experience: > @ parts counter > Me: Do you have Champion RN9YC spark plugs in stock? > AutoZone Guy: How many do you need? > Me: I need four but I'll buy eight if you have them. > AZG: What car are they for? > Me: I know you don't have the car in your database. > AZG: That's the only way I can look them up? > Me: You can't search by part number? > AZG: No. > Me: Really? .well ok, it's a 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: Well there's your problem, we don't carry motorcycle parts. > Me: It's a car. > >Click click click. > AZG: No, we don't have that car listed in out parts database but let me > check the stock shelves. > >At this point AutoZone Guy spends about 5 minutes going through every bin > containing Champion spark-plugs looking for RN9YCs. > AZG: We don't seem to have them on the shelf; what car was that again? > Me: 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: we have a '63 Herald with an 1100 engine. > Me: That's it. Same engine. What plug does it list? > AZG: Champion RN9YC > Me: Do you have it in stock? > AZG: No. > > Robert MacKenzie > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:03 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps > 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your > timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked > "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's > on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod > bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I > look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Mar 28 09:30:02 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:30:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH parts are drying up, limited to stock on hand. Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like Chinese food, an hour later you need more. Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closing.html mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services 845-894-8088 From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 09:30:41 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <696282214.234251.1364484641215.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Marty et al, I will be attending the Kastner Cup. I haven't missed one since '08 at The Glen but I still haven't driven in one. I would of course love to be able to drive my TR3 in this years event. I'm working on getting my car accepted in CSRG now and I plan on racing soon. I had the car teched at an HMSA event at Laguna this past weekend and besides the Hoosier Speedsters, it's very close to ready. I need to install a fire extinguisher, knew that, raise the fuel cell vent line, didn't know that and place an on/off sticker next to the safety switch, knew that too. The car weighs 1988 lbs., without driver. Cool. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:44:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 28 09:44:20 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:44:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> Message-ID: I was in my local O'Reilly's and had just the opposite experience. Set an alternator on the counter and the dude says - Oh, I see you've converted it to one-wire. Would you like a one-wire version? Didn't have to jump through the "what car did it come from" dance at all. And, I ordered the spark plugs by number (NGK BP7HS). So not EVERYONE has lost the ability to properly service us. Tony At 10:23 AM 3/28/2013, Greg Petrolati wrote: >This is nothing new for AutoZone... I ran into the same problem back in >the >early "oughts" with my TR4. I wanted Bosch platinum spark plugs for >the >Greenman. I had crossed referenced them previously with a Saab plug, which I >previously happened across by accident in the auto department of Walmart. The >kid at the > computer told me "there was no such spark plug as there wasn't >anything > like a 1962 Triumph TR4 in his computer"... so it didn't exist... I >asked to see his manager then took the both of them out to the parking >lot to >show them the "nonexistent" car. When the manager started getting >pissy I >walked away. I went to NAPA where there were car guys and not shoe salesmen on >staff. > >Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > >That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 28 09:59:27 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <20265.7d3c6b1f.3e85c2df@cs.com> Our favorite NGKBP7HS spark plug is commonly used in GOLF CARS, so they are readily available at most parts stores! > I was in my local O'Reilly's and had just the opposite > experience. Set an alternator on the counter and the dude says - Oh, > I see you've converted it to one-wire. Would you like a one-wire > version? Didn't have to jump through the "what car did it come from" > dance at all. And, I ordered the spark plugs by number (NGK > BP7HS). So not EVERYONE has lost the ability to properly service us. > > Tony > > From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Mar 27 12:58:28 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:58:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: <902F45A5-8067-4F92-9B18-3A573B2512E5@comcast.net> I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some praise for an outstanding vender. I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus on customer service and satisfaction. Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact info. if you have tire needs. Jeffrey A. Speer Product Manager 65465 US Hwy 31 Lakeville, IN 46536 www.hoosiertire.com Phone: 574-784-3152 Fax: 574-784-2385 Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Mar 27 21:56:25 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:56:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <000001ce2b5d$fed2bde0$fc7839a0$@com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000001ce2b5d$fed2bde0$fc7839a0$@com> Message-ID: <701DA799-9AC9-4493-A685-0DC1D67D1A84@comcast.net> I came across a similar place called the Quasdorf Wagon, Machine, and Blacksmith Shop in a little town off I-35 called Wright, Iowa. I was coming back from the Kahler wedding (better know as VTR2002 in Redwing, Minnesota) and found this fascinating little shop. The upstairs was a museum with things like an ancient movie projector run with some Rube Goldberg carbon arc to provide light. Great place to check out. It was not as operational as the Texas shop day to day but the machines (belt driven from the basement) still all worked. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > That's probably one of the last machine shops in the country that's > run with > line shafts! There was one in Fond du Lac (WI), a long narrow shop > with a > single line shaft, around about 1963 or 1964. I think it was gone > by 1970. > Too bad, a neat place. At the time it was the only place in town > you could > get some decent hardware. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:16 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP > > Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph > related, > but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country > Reporter, and > it shows that not everything has become modernized. > Enjoy > -Ed- > > --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: > > > From: Jack L. Tyler > Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP > To: "Jack L. Tyler" > Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM > > > > > > > > Hi Yball, > Just thought you might enjoy this. > Jack Tyler > B > > Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few > moments and > watch this. American Heartland. > > B B > Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. > B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. > Pepper (soda > pop) and B some peanuts". > > B B > http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded > B > B B > B > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From rwestfall at ymail.com Thu Mar 28 07:11:59 2013 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <1364476319.72207.YahooMailMobile@web161806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I can assure you, corporate upper management people at the automotive chains are concerned with one thing, corporate profit. That's as it should be, it is after all a business, however, these businesses have completely lost track of what a parts store is. The take away is, if you need air freshener, tune up in a can, or a cutesy key chain, go to Pep Boys, Auto Zone, or Advanced. If you need parts, and parts knowledge find an independently owned parts store that serves the independent repair shops in your area. They are getting rare, but they are still out there. From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 07:42:29 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:42:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I fill the same way I guess guys..when I stop at my local store now they quit asking me what the part is for or drive......now they ask what the part is suppose to go on....and they are still puzzled...so I bring my own parts numbers now....that gets rid of the "bewildered look"....sometimes On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 8:23 AM, marty sukey wrote: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak > the language. > > Marty > > > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Mar 28 07:42:23 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:42:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: The thing I most long for most 40 or 50 years ago is to be 37 again! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:36 AM To: gasket.works at gte.net; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and function. Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts stores......... Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked "What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I thought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 08:07:00 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:07:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone and asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed the make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it was a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a flat12 And sat back to watch his head implode. Jim g. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:23 AM, marty sukey wrote: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak > the language. > > Marty > > >> I am going to write to their corporate office. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Mar 28 08:17:07 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <6478.683ecabf.3e85aae3@aol.com> In a message dated 03/28/2013 6:28:24 AM Central Standard Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from > a > babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that > speak > the language. > I know babushkas, the ladies wear them on the South side of Milwaukee, in the winter...with their galoshes. We've still got two great NAPA stores nearby. Both know what they're doing. Bill Dentinger From wensley_tr at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 08:31:34 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:31:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <000e01ce2bc0$f3319070$d994b150$@comcast.net> Damm...What do you guys want they only make 18.00 an hour and not allowed to over 35 hours a week. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:23 AM To: gasket.works at gte.net; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I would venture to guess that corporate wouldn't know a main bearing from a babushka either. My local NAPA appears to be the only ones left that speak the language. Marty > I am going to write to their corporate office. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 28 09:58:24 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CFF9E436779518-1D24-1CC79@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Sadly its not about servicing, supplying and knowledge sharing from the current crop of " Auto Parts Stores ". It's about the most PROFIT one can gain from the product on the shelf (?). Parts made in distant lands by people promised a better way of life who could care less about what they are making. Corporate heads making decisions of who is their supplier and really caring less about any concerns the parts they are offering will fit, work or even look like the part it is to replace. Just as long as the profit margin is large enough to secure their next bonus checks. Quality is but a distant memory. As for the clerk behind the counter ... you get what you pay for, these people are usually only making minimum wage. This satisfy's the corporate heads as labor rates are low thus keeping overhead costs down ... more profits. Besides their belief is everything is on the computer and that info is all that is needed for knowledge for their employees. Thus you don't need to know the difference between a rod bearing from a wheel bearing, or where they are on a vehicle. They are pressured to sell the cheap no name part to the customer meaning the most profit for the corporation. A few years ago I took an automotive technician course at one of those schools. When subjects like brakes and ignitions came up most of the younglings in the class were unfamiliar with drum brakes or distributors. And totally baffled by points and condensers. These topics were briefly reviewed during the course. So needless to say when I brought one of my Spitfires in for study work in the lab several of my classmates were curious about the distributor and its workings. Good for some extra credits from my instructor. I have found that most of these parts places have web sites where I can look up their part numbers for the part I am looking for. I write this info down and then go shopping. If the clerk behind the counter wont use the numbers I will then ask for the manager. This gets me my parts and usually the clerk gets a little education from his superior. Finally, I always shop for the brand name part for critical items as its worth the extra money for a quality part that fits so I only have to make the repair once. Unfortunately for our Triumphs the quality parts are becoming harder to find as the parts made in China it seems are the only way our parts are being reproduced. I find it harder, these past several years, to locate any last bits of NOS parts left. Though blogs and some web sites prove invaluable for info on what and where to locate these better quality parts for our Triumphs. Keep searching, Bob T '63 Spitfire street '64 Spitfire GT autocrosser PS these stores could eliminate about 40 % of the crap on their shelves and still serve their customers as they do now. Air Freshener dodads ? Why ? -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: gasket.works ; 'FOT' Sent: Thu, Mar 28, 2013 4:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and veryone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads ho contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, hey had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer f dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and t always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different melling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third orld country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and unction. elcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts tores......... e, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! Russ Moore -----Original Message----- rom: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On ehalf Of gasket.works at gte.net ent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM o: FOT ubject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps 8y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your iming lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked What year and model?". I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that ime I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different lerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 hevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" oment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's n first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod earings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I ook at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I hought this was an auto store". We walked out. I am going to write to their corporate office. M ent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 10:03:35 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:03:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers In-Reply-To: <696282214.234251.1364484641215.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <696282214.234251.1364484641215.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201ce2bcd$cdcfc9c0$696f5d40$@net> Hi Dave...I expect to be teching at the CSRG April 5-7..If Ken Kirk is there it would be a great chance for Ken/CSRG to take a look at your car ...you probably have his # but here it is..415 307 9017 csrgcarclass at aol.com I'm greatly excited for you! Racer Bud -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of davehogye Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:31 AM To: marty sukey Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Marty et al, I will be attending the Kastner Cup. I haven't missed one since '08 at The Glen but I still haven't driven in one. I would of course love to be able to drive my TR3 in this years event. I'm working on getting my car accepted in CSRG now and I plan on racing soon. I had the car teched at an HMSA event at Laguna this past weekend and besides the Hoosier Speedsters, it's very close to ready. I need to install a fire extinguisher, knew that, raise the fuel cell vent line, didn't know that and place an on/off sticker next to the safety switch, knew that too. The car weighs 1988 lbs., without driver. Cool. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:44:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 drivers Just a reminder. I know it is early and the season has not even started for the majority out there, if your hoping to compete in the Kastner Cup event in September send me your name and car info so I can add it to the shirt list, even if your plans are not fully etched in stone yet. In addition to the shirts, having an idea of attendees will make some of the up front planning work out better. Not too worry if you end up not being able to make it. Before the shirt orders are sent in I will issue a last call for additions or subtractions. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From craigl at leinickegroup.com Thu Mar 28 07:59:03 2013 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:59:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: To add to this thread, a couple of years ago I asked the same 20+ year old counter clerk at a local auto parts store about rear shock absorbers for a Triumph TR7... He looked me square in the eye and said "Who makes Triumph?" When I replied... "Triumph makes Triumph" he looked at me like I had just stepped off a space ship and had a third eye in the middle of my forehead. Needless to say, I didn't buy any parts that day. I understand that this fellow probably wasn't born in 1981 when Triumph production came to an end but you would think anyone with enough interest to work in the automotive field would recognize major British auto manufacturers. The reality is that all of us have more knowledge about the workings of automobiles than 90% of the people working the auto parts counters today. Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing On 3/28/13 3:35 AM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and > everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads > who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, > they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer > of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and > it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different > smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third > world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and > function. > Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts > stores......... > Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps > 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your > timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked > "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's > on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod > bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I > look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 10:09:03 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:09:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some praise for an outstanding vender. I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus on customer service and satisfaction. Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact info. if you have tire needs. Jeffrey A. Speer Product Manager 65465 US Hwy 31 Lakeville, IN 46536 www.hoosiertire.com Phone: 574-784-3152 Fax: 574-784-2385 Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From jerrybarr at charter.net Thu Mar 28 10:12:54 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:12:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP In-Reply-To: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364436937.35872.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00A316F2-0E01-4ED8-8326-1ADCC9D11484@charter.net> After high school I served a 4 year machinist apprenticeship at Allis Chalmers in West Allis Wisconsin. I served in the heavy industry shops machining and building large steam turbines, generators, rod and ball mills. I got to run amazingly large machines such as 16' boring mills. I didn't get to run the 40' boring mill but got to help running it. The bigger boring mills had basements under them for access to the drive system, we had a 7" boring bar with a huge table 100 feet square come to mind. One job that was a lot of fun was boring the main bearing bores and blade ring grooves on the high, intermediate, and low pressure turbine housings. I would operate the machine while the machinist was inside the housing setting the tool and could not get out until the cut was done and the bar was disconnected. I got to run an engine lathe that had a 12' faceplate and 100 foot long bed. We used it to rough out the turbine main shaft before they were sent out for heat treating. When it came back we would finish machine the shaft and cut in the blade ring grooves. I got to operate other machines such as a 12' planer mill, 8' planer, huge radial arm drill presses. What a wonderful experience! All this was done before automation. On Mar 27, 2013, at 9:15 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group: This was forwarded to me by a flying buddy. Not at all Triumph related, > but well worth the watch. This was an episode of Texas Country Reporter, and > it shows that not everything has become modernized. > Enjoy > -Ed- > > --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Jack L. Tyler wrote: > > > From: Jack L. Tyler > Subject: VINTAGE MACHINE SHOP > To: "Jack L. Tyler" > Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 8:30 AM > > > > > > > > Hi Yball, > Just thought you might enjoy this. > Jack Tyler > B > > Who needs CAD? A stick and some dirt work just fine. Take a few moments and > watch this. American Heartland. > > B B > Real work, keep it B simple, get the job done with pride and quality. > B Remember, take the time in your life to stop and "have a Dr. Pepper (soda > pop) and B some peanuts". > > B B > http://www.youtube.com/embed/BckZ4i1BzF0?feature=player_embedded > B > B B > B > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 28 10:42:55 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:42:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E7FEA81-F217-4190-82ED-538D106E0D67@austin.rr.com> Quinton Hazell used to be the JC Whitney brand....how far we have (not) come!! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:30 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH parts > are drying up, limited to stock on hand. > Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like Chinese > food, an hour later you need more. > > > Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing > > http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closing .html > > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > 845-894-8088 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 28 10:50:09 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:50:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Parts stores Message-ID: <515474C1.3080500@bradakis.com> Back when I was using a TR6 as my daily driver I usually had no problem getting parts. There was a parts store within walking distance and the manager owned a TR6 himself. That was nice. There is one old school parts place way down in Sandy. I used to enjoy delivering there when I was a driver. Back then they had a project - rebuilding the engine for a 1904 Cadillac. You won't see THAT at Autozone! mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 11:08:06 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:08:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Parts stores In-Reply-To: <515474C1.3080500@bradakis.com> References: <515474C1.3080500@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <003d01ce2bd6$d13cedf0$73b6c9d0$@net> The NAPA store here in Sonoma is very versatile...very personal..I brought in a burned out weird bulb from an old Flarestat emergency flasher..bingo..they had one.. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:50 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Parts stores Back when I was using a TR6 as my daily driver I usually had no problem getting parts. There was a parts store within walking distance and the manager owned a TR6 himself. That was nice. There is one old school parts place way down in Sandy. I used to enjoy delivering there when I was a driver. Back then they had a project - rebuilding the engine for a 1904 Cadillac. You won't see THAT at Autozone! mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Mar 28 14:07:40 2013 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:07:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another reason to call Hoosier tires "purple crack" Sent from my iPad On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Bud R wrote: > I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't > provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some > praise for an outstanding vender. > > I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and > Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with > the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. > > Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the > air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company > that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. > It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus > on customer service and satisfaction. > > Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his > people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact > info. if you have tire needs. > > > Jeffrey A. Speer > Product Manager > > > 65465 US Hwy 31 > Lakeville, IN 46536 > www.hoosiertire.com > Phone: 574-784-3152 > Fax: 574-784-2385 > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Mar 28 16:50:09 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:50:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl cam bearings Message-ID: <5154C921.2090500@pobox.com> I know this has been discussed, but I must have been asleep, so I apologize. As I understand it, if you want to put cam bearings in a 6 cylinder TR, you use Spitfire 1296 bearings (1 or 2 sets?). The block must be bored from 1.9680 - 1.9695. The bearing journals on the cam must be ground to fit the bearings. Doesn't this restrict the cam lift? What is the cam bearing ID compared to the stock setup with no bearing? Thanks, Larry From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Mar 28 11:20:20 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:20:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <002101ce2b8f$3a4dd4a0$aee97de0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <51547BD4.4060309@dfn.com> On 3/28/2013 2:35 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: > I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and > everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads > who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, > they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer > of dust. My favorite story along these lines was when I lived in MI in the `70s. There was an old, old auto parts store downtown that had been around since the days when the Model T was new. A guy I knew did repairs at home, and one day, someone dropped off a `30s-era Chris Craft mahogany runabout and asked him to get the engine going. He looked it over and decided that the engine was toast--just a big pile of rust, inside and out. But, he kept it in mind, thinking he might get lucky and find the parts for it he needed. One day, he was at the aforementioned parts store, and happened to mention that he was looking for engine parts for a Chris Craft. The son of the original owner, a fellow then in his 70s, overheard him and said, "follow me." He went up a ladder to the second floor, and another ladder to the third floor, and in the back of building was a crated Hercules engine still in cosmoline. They pulled back the tarp, wiped off the cosmo, and discovered that the crated engine's last serial number digit was four off from the one in the boat. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Mar 28 17:39:51 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:39:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. After asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some times I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will take the time to match up what you want with what they have. Larry On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: > I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone and > asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed the > make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it was > a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a > flat12 > And sat back to watch his head implode. > Jim g. From bownes at seiri.com Thu Mar 28 18:15:51 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes - Seiri) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:15:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> My favorite answer for the make model year question is 1958 Wartburg. :) On Mar 28, 2013, at 19:39, Larry Young wrote: > Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. After asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. > > I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some times I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will take the time to match up what you want with what they have. > Larry > > > On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: >> I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone and >> asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed the >> make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it was >> a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a >> flat12 >> And sat back to watch his head implode. >> Jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Mar 28 18:22:16 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:22:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry><5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry><5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> Message-ID: I fooled my local Auto Value, who actually are pretty good they have been around a long time, the other day by asking for an oil filter for a 1997 Pontiac Firebird. The counter guy said, "Wait, did you say 1997?" Hehe. I always am asking for some part for pre 1960 cars, or some obscure foreign thing, you know, like Triumph parts, so I ambushed them with a modern part. Pretty funny. Terry Stetler From tr4 at wi.rr.com Thu Mar 28 18:27:42 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:27:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl cam bearings In-Reply-To: <5154C921.2090500@pobox.com> Message-ID: Larry, Many of the parts providers sell cam bearing sets for the TR6 blocks so that you don't have to buy two sets of Spitfire bearings. The block needs then to be line bored to the specs you stated. The number of machine shops that have the necessary machines and knowledge are becoming few and far between so make sure you have an experienced person in your area. I just had this procedure performed on a block for a customer by a reputable company and the cost was in the area of $375.00 with boring, fitting and cleaning of the block. You do not need to alter the camshaft in any way and any standard diameter TR6 camshaft will fit but the bearings may need some "fitting" which is in the cost I provided. Now for my opinion!!! If you are racing this engine at full bore with a very high lift camshaft then I would not hesitate fitting the bearings but be prepared to replace these every time you freshen the engine. The stock TR6 has a high chrome content and wears very little and what I have seen over the years is more worn cams than blocks! I have seen a good number of street and lower power race engines with little to no wear after 80k miles! Just my opinion! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:50 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl cam bearings I know this has been discussed, but I must have been asleep, so I apologize. As I understand it, if you want to put cam bearings in a 6 cylinder TR, you use Spitfire 1296 bearings (1 or 2 sets?). The block must be bored from 1.9680 - 1.9695. The bearing journals on the cam must be ground to fit the bearings. Doesn't this restrict the cam lift? What is the cam bearing ID compared to the stock setup with no bearing? Thanks, Larry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Mar 28 18:42:52 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GREENWOOD, INC 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF FIRST RACE IN jUNE Message-ID: <8CFFA2D7AE70549-1600-2312C@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Got a call from Shawn Frank today. Today it was decided to hold a reunion at the old GREENWOOD course near Indianola, IA. Shawn and Steve Meyer are both FOT and both involved. The embryonic website is GREENWOODREVIVAL.COM I think the date is going to be June 8th for the festivities. I should be there. I was there 50 years ago with my MG-TD and working T-1. I suspect that more than a few of us are familiar with this 1960s effort to bring ROAD RACING to IOWA. SCCA REGIONAL CLUBS were actually quite active in IOWA during the 50s and 60s. Check it out. The track is in very sad shape, but it is still there. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 19:06:37 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:06:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the station! >> >> >> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 19:10:58 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:10:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about 1965 RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:07 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the station! >> >> >> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Mar 28 19:25:47 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:25:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> Message-ID: My clearest memory of my only childhood trip to Disneyworld in the early 70's was the awesome Gulf station with about 16 fill-up lanes. Who needs Mickey. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:06 PM, "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" wrote: > This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the > station! > >>> >>> >>> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Mar 28 19:25:53 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:25:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- Message-ID: <1689424031-1364520351-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1279903135-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Another... I went to local pep boys for a 6 volt battery. (It was for a 1914 cadillac I have.) The fellow asks what car and year. I tell him. He can't find it in computer, Duh. Then I say its for a 1932 Model A ford. Not in computer either. Ok I say... Do you have any 6 volt batteries? I don't know he says. Can you look? What do they look like? M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From jason at multivintage.com Thu Mar 28 20:13:35 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:13:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup Message-ID: Good News for ALL Kastner Cup Attendees!!! >From the outset, one of the key aspects for planning this year's "Kastner Cup" was to somehow have all the Triumph folks in one localized paddock area. Over the past couple days some major strides have been made with VSCDA and Road America Regarding an EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK for our entire weekend. The FOT has strength in numbers. VSCDA and ROAD AMERICA have seemed to realize how big this event is and they are working with us nicely. Joe has been putting in tons of effort on FOT's behalf. This will be a special event. Thanks to Joe's aggressive 5 star service. So, Long Story Short.... FOT will have 1) Our own EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH ONLY paddock area. 2) Our own dedicated garage type hospitality structure (holds 36 cars and will serve as our HUB of Triumph activity) 3) Electric. Power will be available to anyone who rents a garage space. (driver cost for garage slot and power = $50.00) OFFICIAL NOTICE TO ALL Kastner Cup Driver's and teams: At this point Here's your 3 options for use of the Exclusive Triumph Paddock (All entrants must pick one of the following options and contact jason at multivintage.com with the details.) A) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you don't want a garage space or power. WHAT YOU NEED to Do...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size, c) additional space next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space. Cost is Zero, your spot is secured. Example: John Reed, 1969 Triumph GT6+ #69, Honda minivan and 12' open trailer, 12x12 ez-up and large tent. B) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you want a garage spot and power. WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size c) additional space needed next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space Cost is $50.00 per car using the garage spot, your spot is secured. (you must snail mail a check payable to "Wonderland" to Wonderland Multivintage 3731 Grand Blvd, Brookfield IL 60513.) Example: Tony Garmey, Triumph 250k, Bill Hart, Triumph Devin, killer Ferrari transport vehicle, 110' rig with 60'x40' cannopy. staying at hotel. Bill's Devin only in the garage = $50.00 sent to Wonderland Tony and Bill will both use the garage = $100.00 sent to Wonderland. C) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you are "Grandfathered in" to a spot far better than we are offering at this time because you have earned a high status among the RA elite and are a "shareholder with benefits." WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) Jock strap size c) When is the Wine and Cheese Party? d) which cheese will we be able to smell from the "EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK"? e) Submit an essay about "what it was like to race before electricity was invented". Cost is Zero, your spot is secured (but not by me) Unfortunately, you may need to walk or drive down a substantial hill to be with other Triumph people. If, by some chance, your concept of enjoying "the kastner cup" are not recognized by any of the above options, No Problem! Contact jason at multivintage.com with details and a custom plan will be made to accomodate your needs. Overview: this will be the best Kastner Cup yet! Sorry but I am unable to provide a photo of the garage structure in this email. If this is a critical point and you would like to see a photo of the garage building in question I could send you a photo attachment. Regardless, The Lester Garages and surrounding area will house the FOT for the entire weekend. This will be the HUB for Triumph activity. This will be the central area for poster signing/distribution of Triumph related materials. The Lester garages will serve as a resting place and center for invited guests of our group such as Kas and Peggy Kastner and All other FOT people. This garage and surrounding area will be a centralized location for all we are doing. It will be "THE TRIUMPH AREA" ...NICE!!! Triumph Group Tech will also happen in this area!!! Thursday eve. no matter what... if you are racing at this event, you must decide your paddock requirements and contact me with one of the choices listed above. Thank you very much! Adress all paddock questions and inquirys to me at jason at multivintage.com(no exceptions) and every attempt will be made to accomodate your needs. Jason Ostrowski Paddock Master 2013 Kastner Cup at RA. From jason at multivintage.com Thu Mar 28 21:37:33 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:37:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] PADDOCK general questions and detals Message-ID: The "Lester" garages that FOT will have for the weekend are not fully enclosed. It is a solid, nicely covered, perfectly smooth, blacktopped, "open plan" garage. It houses a total of 36 cars and various equipment. Each spot is 10x15. It is next to the track after turn 14 on the inside of the track. Great access to turn 5 viewing and some other great spots. It is ours for the weekend. But we paid for it. "someone" did. And the cost of these spots are up for use as a show platform for what we do. We (FOT) would like to "sell" these 30 spots. (Basically to recoup our costs to get some of what we need and want...hospitality tent, local area, power) First come, first served. "What do people do with garage space versus space next to trailer during a race day -- between sessions?" That is up to you, the whole idea is to try to get trailers close as possible. But the 30+ spot garage is the 'exrta bounus' and will perhaps be something yet unseen Kastner Cup Awesomeness. and also pretty *** cool. It will have cars on show... and perhaps cars being worked on. I suppose what you do in your garage spot is dependant on how well you are prepared for "The Kastner Cup". What space does one have in the garage? about 10X15. But understand this is not like your own private garage. good or bad, Kastner, FoT and all the hoards of Triumph fans will be able to see lots of cars being scurried about and fussed over. And in the center will be spot for FOT hospitality and our special guests. Thank You FGR From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Mar 28 22:25:59 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:25:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Crossing the marque line Message-ID: <60E5973A-14BD-4AAE-9A3A-31831FF94F69@aol.com> Amici My friend who races a MGA is building an engine after throwing a rod in his last one. We were talking and he is going from a MGB 5 main to a 3 main. One of the problems he stated was that the rear main uses a scroll seal and the info out there to convert this is a fluky setup. So I mention that there is a conversion for a tr3 or tr4 (?) that is good. Maybe it can be engineered or converted to the MGB 3 main. Soooooo. Is it possible? I don't have any measurements or picture or any other measurements. Just putting it out there From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Mar 28 23:16:22 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:16:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <023001ce2bbd$21767df0$646379d0$@aero> Message-ID: <6872E1BDDBB94E36ADC97D5A7B3D8848@rocky> What gets me is I ask for a part for my 1964 Spitfire, and according to their "book" the earliest model of a Spitfire was 1972. Nowadays I just answer "It's a race car" and they quit looking for an easy catalogue match and now they have to find something that fits my purpose. Most humorous was when I installed the Volkswagen radiator in the Spit, and the hose connections both were on the opposite side from the stock Spit rad. The top one was easy, just turned the thermostat housing to the other side. For the bottom I went in with measurements ("I need a hose X inches long with a 90 degree bend at the bottom end") and they just let me prowl through their hose inventory until I found one (a Ford unit) that would work after I cut unneeded sections off. Fortunately, I guess, since local parts stores have nothing that goes on my car more specific than a nut and bolt, I do most of my parts shopping by mail-order. I have a drawer by my desk full of nothing but catalogues. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > My recent AutoZone experience: > @ parts counter > Me: Do you have Champion RN9YC spark plugs in stock? > AutoZone Guy: How many do you need? > Me: I need four but I'll buy eight if you have them. > AZG: What car are they for? > Me: I know you don't have the car in your database. > AZG: That's the only way I can look them up? > Me: You can't search by part number? > AZG: No. > Me: Really? .well ok, it's a 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: Well there's your problem, we don't carry motorcycle parts. > Me: It's a car. >>Click click click. > AZG: No, we don't have that car listed in out parts database but let me > check the stock shelves. >>At this point AutoZone Guy spends about 5 minutes going through every bin > containing Champion spark-plugs looking for RN9YCs. > AZG: We don't seem to have them on the shelf; what car was that again? > Me: 1962 Triumph Spitfire > AZG: we have a '63 Herald with an 1100 engine. > Me: That's it. Same engine. What plug does it list? > AZG: Champion RN9YC > Me: Do you have it in stock? > AZG: No. > > Robert MacKenzie > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:03 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- > > I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps > 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your > timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and > asked > "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello > "who's > on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod > bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I > look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 28 23:37:51 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:37:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com><62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of gas. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about 1965 RB From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Mar 29 05:04:28 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:04:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: <9B170B83A35A4604A4AD63CFC52034A0@TRIUMPH.local> Mr. Paddock Master, With regards to choice C from you recent communication to your "triumph friends", there is some essential information that requires dissemination to the general public. However, there is information that I am afraid will be shared, but I really don't want to know. I like to be surprised by the cheese selections... PS. Is Don Brick and his cheese coming? > C) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow > vehicle > and you are "Grandfathered in" to a spot far better than we are offering > at > this time because you have earned a high status among the RA elite and are > a "shareholder with benefits." > WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... > a) general car info > b) Jock strap size > c) When is the Wine and Cheese Party? > d) which cheese will we be able to smell from the "EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH > PADDOCK"? > e) Submit an essay about "what it was like to race before electricity was > invented". > Adress all paddock questions and inquirys to me at > jason at multivintage.com(no exceptions) and every attempt will be made > to accomodate your needs. > Jason Ostrowski > Paddock Master > 2013 Kastner Cup at RA. From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Mar 29 05:23:50 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:23:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire References: <902F45A5-8067-4F92-9B18-3A573B2512E5@comcast.net> Message-ID: <308E5C722EC34EB5BACA81ACD1D01C08@TRIUMPH.local> I had a Speedster that lost air faster than they usually do, it turned out to be leaking through the sidewall. I was at the Wild Hare Run, VDCA's wonderful April event at VIR a couple years back, and one of the pro teams that runs with us at that event has Hoosier come out to support them. I took my bad tire down to them, the boys looked at it and gave me one of Jeff Speer's business cards. I was told to call him the following week, tell him I was at the VIR event and talked to ??? (can't remember the dude's name) and tell him I have a tire he needs to see. I called Jeff, he said no problem, get me the tire. I am a half hour from Hoosier's east coast distributor, so I dropped the tire off there with my business cards. They shipped it back to Indiana at no cost to me, and two weeks later I get a statement in the mail from Hoosier Tire saying I have a credit for 1 new tire. They held that credit on their books for months until I bought another set of tires, and that set I only paid for 3! The bad tire had lots of heat cycles in it and didn't have many more good sessions in it, but Hoosier still replaced it. Great customer service. These days, that really is a breath of fresh air. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud R" Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire > > Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his > people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact > info. if you have tire needs. > > > Jeffrey A. Speer > Product Manager > > > 65465 US Hwy 31 > Lakeville, IN 46536 > www.hoosiertire.com > Phone: 574-784-3152 > Fax: 574-784-2385 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Mar 29 05:39:27 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:39:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com><62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing wage for teens was $1.00 an hour! When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. Times change, don't they? Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear >I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat > next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for > those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of > gas. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM > To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 > cents..about > 1965 > RB > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Mar 29 05:49:43 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:49:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <24338C57E9154ACF842B2F771C931952@hpd530> I'm fortunate in that there are three very good parts stores in the nearby towns, all of which morphed from the original in Meadville in the late 60's. They usually find me some obscure part for an old car or tractor. They let me prowl through the stock room and pick out what I need, sometimes blowing the dust off. Very knowledgable and helpful, and support the local communities. The "Big Box" stores use Wally World's model; stock the fast movers and max your profit. Here's to Spring. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:02 PM Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- >I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps >28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your >timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and >asked "What year and model?". > > I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that > time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different > clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 > chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" > "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" > moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello > "who's on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine > rod bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". > I look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I > thought this was an auto store". We walked out. > > I am going to write to their corporate office. > > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 06:36:33 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Road AMERICA'S TEST AND TUNE PROGRAM (RATT) not part of Kastner Cup Weekend In-Reply-To: <8CFFA90AB4B7F88-1600-268F3@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFFA90AB4B7F88-1600-268F3@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFFA912DF24E8B-1600-2693F@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Road AMERICA'S TEST AND TUNE PROGRAM (RATT) not part of Kastner Cup Weekend Chuck, THE RATT Days is a program that ROAD AMERICA has marketed to racers throughout the season. I am not sure that Road America has scheduled anything on the Thursday of our event....yet. If they get a big contract from a commercial entity, they will choose that ... $$$ So, the issue is still open.......look at how the $900 Program is marketed. not your typical pre-race T & T Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 07:25:40 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ROAD AMERICA OPEN TEST DAYS - TENTATIVE SCHEDULE - ELVF Message-ID: <8CFFA980A9DA845-1600-26EB8@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Further review says that RA has published a 'TENTATIVE' test day for ELVF. No cost information is provided......it wont be $900, I am sure. If no big moneyed FISH swims by, RA will firm up the date and publish the details....stand by. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 08:06:01 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FEATURES AND BENEFITS OF THE LESTER GARAGES KASTNER CUP 2013 Message-ID: <8CFFA9DAD912714-1600-2749F@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> LOW COST $50 FOR THE WEEKEND ELECTRICITY 110V POWER OUTLET LIGHTING OVERHEAD LOCATED ON THE FRONT STRAIGHT with view of TURN 14 COMBINATION OF ASPHALT AND GRASS PARKING EASY ACCESS TO THE POPULAR TURN FIVE VIEWING AREA GROUP TECH HAS BEEN ARRANGED IN THE GARAGES with VSCDA's Dave Young. The obvious is that there is no need to set up canopies, take them down, or retrieve them after blowing away. The social benefits are clear....we travel great distances to be together and spend most of our hours in the paddock. The Lester garages were negotiated with Road America, including the installation of power. It is unlikely that any group will ever see this deal again in the future. If you know ROAD AMERICA, you will understand. We got kinda lucky. Check in with Jason, PADDOCK MASTER, ASAP Thanks! Joe Alexander KASTNER CUP 2013 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 08:28:46 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:26:24 AM Central Standard Time, yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes: > I had a Speedster that lost air faster than they usually do, it turned > out > to be leaking through the sidewall. It's been my experience that losing air through the sidewall of racing tires is sure not uncommon. For years while I was still running original ARW Silverstone mags on my TR3, I would carefully wash and inspect each wheel and tire looking for cracks in the spokes between events. I was always amazed to see all of the soap air bubbles that would surface from the sidewalls of each tire during the washing process. It made me aware that I was constantly losing some air through the sidewalls. Dunlop has been our tire of choice down through the years (they look so damn'd British), but we've run Goodyear and Hoosier sets as well. We have yet to experience what I would call unacceptable air loss through the sidewalls...but we are aware of the issue and sure check tire pressures carefully between sessions. Bill Dentinger From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Mar 28 12:29:06 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not everyone is up on antiques, especially the younger folk LOL Us old farts luv'm Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-28, at 12:11 PM, "Craig Leinicke" wrote: > To add to this thread, a couple of years ago I asked the same 20+ year old > counter clerk at a local auto parts store about rear shock absorbers for a > Triumph TR7... He looked me square in the eye and said "Who makes Triumph?" > > When I replied... "Triumph makes Triumph" he looked at me like I had just > stepped off a space ship and had a third eye in the middle of my forehead. > > Needless to say, I didn't buy any parts that day. I understand that this > fellow probably wasn't born in 1981 when Triumph production came to an end > but you would think anyone with enough interest to work in the automotive > field would recognize major British auto manufacturers. > > The reality is that all of us have more knowledge about the workings of > automobiles than 90% of the people working the auto parts counters today. > > Craig Leinicke > Flashback Racing > > > On 3/28/13 3:35 AM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > >> I can remember when there were some 9 auto parts stores in this area and >> everyone of them had people that knew their stuff and many were motorheads >> who contributed expertise and experiences over the counter. On top of this, >> they had everything imaginable even if it was on a back shelf under a layer >> of dust. Oh, and might I add that everything was Made in USA back then and >> it always fit. Now there are three "chain" stores that have 35 different >> smelling dash ornaments, wax and googahs and any part is from some third >> world country and two days away. There's a 50/50 chance it will fit and >> function. >> Welcome to the ugly new world. It's not confined to auto parts >> stores......... >> Me, I long for the way it was back 40-50 years ago. On many levels! >> >> Russ Moore >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of gasket.works at gte.net >> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:03 PM >> To: FOT >> Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- >> >> I went to my local auto zone today. Behind the counter a clerk perhaps >> 28y/o asked me what he could get for me. I asked "Where do you have your >> timing lights?". He looked at me then calmly went to the computer and asked >> "What year and model?". >> >> I should have known better. I was there a couple of months ago. At that >> time I asked for rod bearings for a small block chevy. it was a different >> clerk similarly aged. He asked "What year and model?". I said "1972 >> chevelle 350". He responds "front bearings?" >> "No- all of them" I say. "Both sides?" He queries. Then I get this "a ha" >> moment when I seriously believed we are doing an Abbott and Costello "who's >> on first". So I tell him " I don't think you understand" - "Engine rod >> bearings standard size". So he looks at me and says. "What's that?". I >> look at my son and then back at the clerk and say "I made a mistake I >> thought this was an auto store". We walked out. >> >> I am going to write to their corporate office. >> >> M >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca Thu Mar 28 13:05:57 2013 From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca (peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:05:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also hat some issue with Hoosier Tire (not there fault) and Jeff was also were help full in solving my Tire wear. Were dedicated people. #42 TR 8 Peter Bulkowski Technical Manager ,Special Projects 98 Vanderhoof Ave. Toronto,Ontario, M4G 4C9 CANADA Direct line +416 847 7514 Mobil line +416 520 6108 Fax line +416 425 6370 NEW E-Mail peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca levilevi at comcast. net Sent by: To fot-bounces at autox fot at autox.team.net .team.net cc Subject 03/28/2013 12:13 [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing PM Tire I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some praise for an outstanding vender. I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus on customer service and satisfaction. Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact info. if you have tire needs. Jeffrey A. Speer Product Manager 65465 US Hwy 31 Lakeville, IN 46536 www.hoosiertire.com Phone: 574-784-3152 Fax: 574-784-2385 Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 18:21:03 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:21:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> Message-ID: <006101ce2c13$4c8a5ce0$e59f16a0$@net> I think it depends on who we deal with...My NAPA store makes a point of 'finding the part that will work, fit, etc'..they even mic stuff for me and match it up that way. RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Bownes - Seiri Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:16 PM To: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- My favorite answer for the make model year question is 1958 Wartburg. :) On Mar 28, 2013, at 19:39, Larry Young wrote: > Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. > After asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. > > I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some > times I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will take the time to match up what you want with what they have. > Larry > > > On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: >> I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto >> zone and >> asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter >> needed the >> make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked >> if it was >> a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it >> was a >> flat12 >> And sat back to watch his head implode. >> Jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Mar 28 18:34:32 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:34:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating Message-ID: <20130328.203432.14315.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> I have never sprayed this particular type of product, so I don't know if it sprays out like spray paint or undercoating. If like spray paint, then should be able to get an even coat. Joe ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Barr, Scott" To: 'Joe Boruch' Cc: 'tom strange' Subject: RE: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:26:26 +0000 Would you be able to apply this evenly enough to seal? I wonder whether this might be a nice adjunct to a copper gasket where used to lower the compression ratio or clear piston pop-up, but where the copper gasket isn't sealing well. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 7:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating I have been debating the merits of coating a steel shim head gasket with a Fluoroelastomer (Viton) coating. Cometic gaskets are Viton coated. There are Fluoroelastomer coatings available in aerosol cans. Have any of you tried anything like this? 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From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Mar 29 06:32:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Road AMERICA'S TEST AND TUNE PROGRAM (RATT) not part of Kastner Cup Weekend Message-ID: <8CFFA90AB4B7F88-1600-268F3@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> Chuck, THE RATT Days is a program that ROAD AMERICA has marketed to racers throughout the season. I am not sure that Road America has scheduled anything on the Thursday of our event....yet. If they get a big contract from a commercial entity, they will choose that ... $$$ So, the issue is still open.......look at how the $900 Program is marketed. not your typical pre-race T & T Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Jason Ostrowski ; Joe Alexander Sent: Thu, Mar 28, 2013 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup Cost for racing at Kas Cup. Any iea what the race fees are? I just looked at there test an tune schedule an see thee is one Thusday before our event -- but it cost $900!!!! [I am used to fees between $200-350 for a test and tune day before a race at Seattle, Portland, The Ridge, etc. Getting worried about what the Cup entry fee for the weekend will be??? On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: Good News for ALL Kastner Cup Attendees!!! >From the outset, one of the key aspects for planning this year's "Kastner Cup" was to somehow have all the Triumph folks in one localized paddock area. Over the past couple days some major strides have been made with VSCDA and Road America Regarding an EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK for our entire weekend. The FOT has strength in numbers. VSCDA and ROAD AMERICA have seemed to realize how big this event is and they are working with us nicely. Joe has been putting in tons of effort on FOT's behalf. This will be a special event. Thanks to Joe's aggressive 5 star service. So, Long Story Short.... FOT will have 1) Our own EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH ONLY paddock area. 2) Our own dedicated garage type hospitality structure (holds 36 cars and will serve as our HUB of Triumph activity) 3) Electric. Power will be available to anyone who rents a garage space. (driver cost for garage slot and power = $50.00) OFFICIAL NOTICE TO ALL Kastner Cup Driver's and teams: At this point Here's your 3 options for use of the Exclusive Triumph Paddock (All entrants must pick one of the following options and contact jason at multivintage.com with the details.) A) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you don't want a garage space or power. WHAT YOU NEED to Do...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size, c) additional space next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space. Cost is Zero, your spot is secured. Example: John Reed, 1969 Triumph GT6+ #69, Honda minivan and 12' open trailer, 12x12 ez-up and large tent. B) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you want a garage spot and power. WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) tow rig type and total size c) additional space needed next to your tow rig that will be used for camping, canopy, or car space Cost is $50.00 per car using the garage spot, your spot is secured. (you must snail mail a check payable to "Wonderland" to Wonderland Multivintage 3731 Grand Blvd, Brookfield IL 60513.) Example: Tony Garmey, Triumph 250k, Bill Hart, Triumph Devin, killer Ferrari transport vehicle, 110' rig with 60'x40' cannopy. staying at hotel. Bill's Devin only in the garage = $50.00 sent to Wonderland Tony and Bill will both use the garage = $100.00 sent to Wonderland. C) You are planning on being at the race with your race car and tow vehicle and you are "Grandfathered in" to a spot far better than we are offering at this time because you have earned a high status among the RA elite and are a "shareholder with benefits." WHAT YOU NEED to DO...Contact Jason with your... a) general car info b) Jock strap size c) When is the Wine and Cheese Party? d) which cheese will we be able to smell from the "EXCLUSIVE TRIUMPH PADDOCK"? e) Submit an essay about "what it was like to race before electricity was invented". Cost is Zero, your spot is secured (but not by me) Unfortunately, you may need to walk or drive down a substantial hill to be with other Triumph people. If, by some chance, your concept of enjoying "the kastner cup" are not recognized by any of the above options, No Problem! Contact jason at multivintage.com with details and a custom plan will be made to accomodate your needs. Overview: this will be the best Kastner Cup yet! Sorry but I am unable to provide a photo of the garage structure in this email. If this is a critical point and you would like to see a photo of the garage building in question I could send you a photo attachment. Regardless, The Lester Garages and surrounding area will house the FOT for the entire weekend. This will be the HUB for Triumph activity. This will be the central area for poster signing/distribution of Triumph related materials. The Lester garages will serve as a resting place and center for invited guests of our group such as Kas and Peggy Kastner and All other FOT people. This garage and surrounding area will be a centralized location for all we are doing. It will be "THE TRIUMPH AREA" ...NICE!!! Triumph Group Tech will also happen in this area!!! Thursday eve. no matter what... if you are racing at this event, you must decide your paddock requirements and contact me with one of the choices listed above. Thank you very much! Adress all paddock questions and inquirys to me at jason at multivintage.com(no exceptions) and every attempt will be made to accomodate your needs. Jason Ostrowski Paddock Master 2013 Kastner Cup at RA. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Mar 29 07:30:56 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:30:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com> <62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: <88AB0FE3-961E-464C-86E1-88A9704378D2@charter.net> I was one of those buck an hour kids working in a gas station. But I could put more than 5 gallons of gas in my 53 Ford for a buck. During the gas wars the price would drop under 19cents a gallon. My how times change. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing wage for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Times change, don't they? > Cheers, Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'Triumph Friends of'" > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > >> I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat >> next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for >> those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of gas. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM >> To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear >> >> Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about >> 1965 >> RB >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From donlbrick at mchsi.com Fri Mar 29 08:52:04 2013 From: donlbrick at mchsi.com (donlbrick) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:52:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup References: Message-ID: <3693CED026434EB7A27D783F1239DB1D@DONANDDAWN> I will definitely try to make the Fall Festival, we should have a good selection of cheese!!!! Don Brick ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: donlbrick at mchsi.com ; rdwismer at mchsi.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:04:37 AM Central Standard Time, yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes: I like to be surprised by the cheese selections... PS. Is Don Brick and his cheese coming? Come September, all will be welcomed to Road America and Wisconsin. Hence, lots of tasty cheese selections will surface. Don Brick, ex-Swiss Valley guru and arguably the best driver the Beady Eye tent ever produced, is still up, out and about. We'll sure try to encourage him to come. Regardless...the famous Swiss and awesome Mindoro Bleu will be there for sure. And of course, Wisconsin is also home to John Fridirici (a Grande Cheese honcho) and those tasty Italian cheeses. Not to worry, not to worry! Bill Dentinger From jkhagen at charter.net Fri Mar 29 09:06:50 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Praise for Hoosier Racing Tire Message-ID: <56f2c4cb.67403b.13db6afd9eb.Webtop.43@charter.net> Hoosier-Good and Bad--Was losing "small"!! amounts of air --could not find--later--found right out of the "sidewall" through the letters.--Hoosier replaced. John Hagen On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Bud R wrote: > I've always been willing to complain when venders disappoint or don't > provide products as advertised so I'm glad to be able to heap some > praise for an outstanding vender. > > I want to commend the Corporate Office at Hoosier Racing Tire, and > Jeff Speer in particular, for handling an issue that had come up with > the Hoosier tires on my Spitfire. > > Thanks also to Jim Gray for recommending that I call Hoosier about the > air pressure loss I kept having. He said that Hoosier was a company > that stands behind their tires and he could not have been more right. > It is obvious why Hoosier tires are so respected and used. They focus > on customer service and satisfaction. > > Jeff Speer was a pleasure to work with and he worked hard with his > people at Hoosier Racing Tire to make things right. Here's his contact > info. if you have tire needs. > > > Jeffrey A. Speer > Product Manager > > > 65465 US Hwy 31 > Lakeville, IN 46536 > www.hoosiertire.com > Phone: 574-784-3152 > Fax: 574-784-2385 > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From jkhagen at charter.net Fri Mar 29 09:13:27 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 Message-ID: <3e0744a9.674177.13db6b5e750.Webtop.43@charter.net> QH-Europe-was owned by Dana Corp a 15 Billion dollar company--went broke-I should know. John Hagen On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Quinton Hazell used to be the JC Whitney brand....how far we have > (not) > come!! > > Bob Kramer > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:30 AM, George Harmuth > wrote: > >> Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH >> parts >> are drying up, limited to stock on hand. >> Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like >> Chinese >> food, an hour later you need more. >> >> >> Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing >> >> > > http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closing > .html >> >> mike h >> >> >> G. Michael Harmuth >> Software Engineer >> Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services >> 845-894-8088 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Thu Mar 28 19:37:10 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:37:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sadly a Sign of the times- In-Reply-To: <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> References: <2057774768-1364439772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-459266624-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5154D4C7.6070503@pobox.com> <4AA3AB3F-4D0A-469A-808F-C2E91B45C893@seiri.com> Message-ID: I say "1959 Triumph TR3a" and then start listing the modifications. About 10 minutes into the monologue and the clerk usually rolls his eyes and calls for a manager :-) Gano Sent from my iPad On Mar 28, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Bob Bownes - Seiri wrote: > My favorite answer for the make model year question is 1958 Wartburg. :) > > > On Mar 28, 2013, at 19:39, Larry Young wrote: > >> Not even Napa. I went in and asked for an generic exhaust hanger. After > asking the make, model and year it was for, she said I don't think we carry > those. There are other Napa stores in the area that are better staffed. >> >> I usually try and avoid the "make, model and year" question, but some times > I just have to say customized 1914 Ford or whatever weird thing I'm working on > at the time. I have to admit though that sometimes you get someone that will > take the time to match up what you want with what they have. >> Larry >> >> >> On 3/28/2013 9:07 AM, James Gray wrote: >>> I agree, NAPA are the only real parts stores left. I went to an auto zone > and >>> asked for a set of plugs by name & type. The person at the counter needed > the >>> make & model of the car. I told him it was a '98 corvette. He asked if it > was >>> a v6 or v8. Had I been on my game that day I would have insisted it was a >>> flat12 >>> And sat back to watch his head implode. >>> Jim g. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 28 21:25:47 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:25:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> References: <47E14593-26EE-413A-B8E3-5D8EFDC9263B@yahoo.com><62C30BFC-A9D4-4BC4-A019-F2F6DAD44E10@yahoo.com> <006501ce2c1a$460445a0$d20cd0e0$@net> Message-ID: I remember those as well in my West Texas Home town. Two stations that sat next to each other were always getting into those gas wars. I long for those years when you could drive around for a week on a buck's worth of gas. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:11 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Very cool!...I remember gas wars in Reno when it got down to 5 cents..about 1965 RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:07 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear This brings back memories of the smell of grease, when you pulled in to the station! >> >> >> http://hipspics.freewebspace.com/gas/gas.html _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 08:14:30 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info for Kastner Cup Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:04:37 AM Central Standard Time, yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes: > I like to be surprised by the cheese selections... > > PS. Is Don Brick and his cheese coming? > Come September, all will be welcomed to Road America and Wisconsin. Hence, lots of tasty cheese selections will surface. Don Brick, ex-Swiss Valley guru and arguably the best driver the Beady Eye tent ever produced, is still up, out and about. We'll sure try to encourage him to come. Regardless...the famous Swiss and awesome Mindoro Bleu will be there for sure. And of course, Wisconsin is also home to John Fridirici (a Grande Cheese honcho) and those tasty Italian cheeses. Not to worry, not to worry! Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 08:32:30 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Message-ID: In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Mar 28 13:08:12 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:08:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: <4E7FEA81-F217-4190-82ED-538D106E0D67@austin.rr.com> References: <4E7FEA81-F217-4190-82ED-538D106E0D67@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <00a901ce2be7$984a02b0$c8de0810$@rr.com> Well, speaking of JC Whitney......I recall when they had sets of AE Hepolite piston and liner sets for TR3 & 4s for the price of $120. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:43 PM To: George Harmuth Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 76, Issue 39 Quinton Hazell used to be the JC Whitney brand....how far we have (not) come!! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:30 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > Another sign of the times. From another Triumph forum I follow, QH > parts are drying up, limited to stock on hand. > Are my street spits going to go hungry? With Chinese parts like > Chinese food, an hour later you need more. > > > Quinton Hazell Cheadle sold, other sites closing > > http://www.tyrepress.com/News/quinton_hazell_cheadle_sold_other_sites_closin g .html > > mike h > > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > 845-894-8088 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 29 13:35:39 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Message-ID: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, kaskastner at gmail.com writes: > Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of > oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) > Kas... Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, if it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. Bill (Damdinger) From mdporter at dfn.com Fri Mar 29 15:07:41 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:07:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> Message-ID: <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, > kaskastner at gmail.com writes: > > >> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) >> > Kas... > > Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, if > it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we > expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All > things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. > > The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with the reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate the peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and withheld shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation (such as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi Arabia, it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing schedules considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. Within six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase in the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the embargo, gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in the low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ $2.25, adjusted for inflation. Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per bbl), which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London spot prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather than an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the spot market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher than the historical average. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Mar 29 15:55:23 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:55:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Shirt/Driver Update Message-ID: I finally got caught up with entering all the orders this week. As of today there are 58 shirts on order and 46 drivers planning on competing at Road America. I'm sure that number will increase as there are some regulars that I don't see on the list yet. If you sent me a shirt order or let me know you are planning on driving at the event you should have received back an acknowledgement email from me. Some of you who emailed me still owe me info. Please take care of that so I don't loose track. Still PLENTY of time to order event shirts and have your name added to the back of them. See you in September. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Mar 29 17:04:09 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:04:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <001201ce2cb1$485d7140$d91853c0$@rr.com> References: <001201ce2cb1$485d7140$d91853c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <0B82E9469F7B4C6FAAF83FA7FA72F7A6@Vista> And they also would fix flats for a buck. Joe c. -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing [mailto:Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 12:12 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com; william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Yep, and for that dollar they used to come out, put it in the tank, check the oil and clean the windshield......... oh, and smile while they did it. Long gone as is twenty some cent a gallon gas. I remember Sunoco 260 at .32 @ gallon. It was the real item, lead, octane and no methanol and the sporty cars thrived on it.......yep, long gone! Russ From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 29 17:26:15 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:26:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Shirt/Driver Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51562317.30007@bradakis.com> I will certainly be ordering a shirt. Maybe before I die I'll actually get it together and have my name on the shirt. Lovely spring weather here in Salt Lake, I want to drive about in a Triumph! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 29 18:44:41 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:44:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hitchin' a ride Message-ID: <51563579.8030304@bradakis.com> So the message about the T shirts for this year's event got me thinking. I was planning to fly back to Wisconsin for the event, but are there any west coast folks who plan to travel through Salt Lake on I 80 that might have room for a lazy, good for nothing freeloader to tag along? I recall setting up something like this for the Portland, Oregon event and then getting a bad case of shingles right before it. Fun. Anyway, it is still a few months out, just something to consider. mjb. From kaskastner at gmail.com Fri Mar 29 12:27:40 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:27:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:32 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, > william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > > > > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > > wage > > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > > > > Bill... > > You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking > my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my > 1951 Ford. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Mar 29 13:11:57 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201ce2cb1$485d7140$d91853c0$@rr.com> Yep, and for that dollar they used to come out, put it in the tank, check the oil and clean the windshield......... oh, and smile while they did it. Long gone as is twenty some cent a gallon gas. I remember Sunoco 260 at .32 @ gallon. It was the real item, lead, octane and no methanol and the sporty cars thrived on it.......yep, long gone! Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:33 AM To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 14:20:48 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. John ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Mar 29 16:04:40 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:04:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> Message-ID: <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the road to bankruptcy. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, >> kaskastner at gmail.com writes: >> >> >>> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >>> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) >>> >> Kas... >> >> Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, if >> it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we >> expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All >> things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. >> >> > > The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with the reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate the peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and withheld shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation (such as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: > > http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp > > If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi Arabia, it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing schedules considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. Within six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase in the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the embargo, gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in the low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ $2.25, adjusted for inflation. > > Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per bbl), which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London spot prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather than an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the spot market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher than the historical average. > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Mar 29 20:31:56 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:31:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: <20130328.203432.14315.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20130328.203432.14315.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: There used to be a Hylomar spray that went on kind of fluffy. I liked it but the cans clogged up the nozzles and/or the cans didn't work at all so they took it off the market. If it is anything like that I'd try it. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2013, at 12:34 AM, "Joe Boruch" wrote: > I have never sprayed this particular type of product, so I don't know if it > sprays out like spray paint or undercoating. If like spray paint, then should > be able to get an even coat. Joe > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Barr, Scott" > To: 'Joe Boruch' > Cc: 'tom strange' > Subject: RE: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:26:26 +0000 > > Would you be able to apply this evenly enough to seal? > > I wonder whether this might be a nice adjunct to a copper gasket where used to > lower the compression ratio or clear piston pop-up, but where the copper > gasket isn't sealing well. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Joe Boruch > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 7:16 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating > > I have been debating the merits of coating a steel shim head gasket with a > Fluoroelastomer (Viton) coating. Cometic gaskets are Viton coated. There are > Fluoroelastomer coatings available in aerosol cans. Have any of you tried > anything like this? Joe(B) > ____________________________________________________________ > OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 > Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > ____________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 12:28:12 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:28:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 30 13:43:59 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:43:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com><607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <24D37624A92F401491E83C766F8C292A@Vista> Absolutely! I am sick and tired of hearing from a bunch of racist Obama haters. How quickly we forget what your beloved W did to our country! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:28 AM To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 30 14:18:43 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Ya! How about that new Pope?! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT of Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 30 14:24:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Files in contention at Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFFB9BC14D2E01-1D90-39818@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Keith File's son is entering his third year in the Clio Series and is a frequent pole sitter. Keith, AND COMPANY have their tickets and Osthoff reservations for the KCUP. How about that for a subject change......? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Josh Files Press Office To: n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:44 pm Subject: Files in contention at Brands Hatch Is this email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. Files in contention at Brands Hatch Team Pyrobs Josh Files made a positive start to his 2013 Renault UK Clio Cup campaign in qualifying today (Saturday, 30th March), ahead of Rounds 1 & 2 of the championship at Brands Hatch. The Vocalink backed driver, a renowned front-runner in Britainbs premier one-make saloon car championship, secured sixth position for Round 1 with a fastest lap time of 52.681 seconds, followed by a third fastest lap time of 52.701 seconds, for his second encounter at the 1.22 mile circuit situated in Kent. Speaking of his qualifying achievement, Files remains confident that he can make a strong start in the series that has propelled the likes of Tom Onslow-Cole, Dave Newsham and Aron Smith to the BTCC. bIbm feeling good about how the session went,b said Files. bI think that I drove well overall, but itbs just so close when we come and race here due to the lap being so short.b bMy aim for tomorrow is to put myself in contention for a podium finish in the first race, and really push for the win in the second. The car feels great and Ibm sure thatbs achievable.b The opening round of the 2013 Renault UK Clio Cup will get underway tomorrow (Sunday, 31st March), at 10.20, with Round 2 at 15.35. The second of the two races will be screened live on ITV4, ITV4 HD and can be streamed live at www.itv.com/btcc Follow Josh Files on: www.joshfiles.co.uk @JoshFiles Facebook.com/joshfilesracing For more information, please contact William Fewkes at BAM Motorsport Promotions: Tel: +44 (0)1442 891 500 Email: wfewkes at bam-promo.com Web: www.bam-promo.com follow on Twitter | friend on Facebook | forward to a friend Copyright B) 2013 BAM Motorsports Group, All rights reserved. From Josh Files PR Database Our mailing address is: BAM Motorsports Group 8 Akeman Street Tring, Eng HP23 6AA United Kingdom Add us to your address book unsubscribe from this list | update subscription preferences From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 30 14:27:49 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Message-ID: <8a10.4f622169.3e88a4c5@aol.com> How sick am I of hearing the epithet "racist" thrown at anybody that doesn't support Obummer. I remember when castigating Bush was "the highest form of patriotism". In a message dated 3/30/2013 12:46:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: Absolutely! I am sick and tired of hearing from a bunch of racist Obama haters. How quickly we forget what your beloved W did to our country! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:28 AM To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 30 14:39:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:39:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Now kids... Message-ID: <51574D64.2090309@bradakis.com> Behave yourselves, before I do something drastic like double your free subscription prices! mjb. From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 14:40:35 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:40:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Files in contention at Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <8CFFB9BC14D2E01-1D90-39818@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFFB9BC14D2E01-1D90-39818@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <42167AF7-4C96-4F00-B601-E127B49030A7@bnj.com> Looks like I'm coming to the KCUP with Peyote. I guess I better make a reserevation at the Osthoff. I committed to the FOT race some time ago with Tony Garmey though there was a chance I wouldn't be able to come. But it's looking good. On Mar 30, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Keith File's son is entering his third year in the Clio Series and is a > frequent pole sitter. > > Keith, AND COMPANY have their tickets and Osthoff reservations for the KCUP. > > How about that for a subject change......? > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Files Press Office > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:44 pm > Subject: Files in contention at Brands Hatch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this email not displaying > correctly? > View it in your browser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Files in contention at Brands Hatch > Team Pyrobs Josh Files made a positive start to his 2013 Renault UK Clio > Cup campaign in qualifying today (Saturday, 30th March), ahead of Rounds 1 & 2 > of the championship at Brands Hatch. > > The Vocalink backed driver, a renowned front-runner in Britainbs premier > one-make saloon car championship, secured sixth position for Round 1 with a > fastest lap time of 52.681 seconds, followed by a third fastest lap time of > 52.701 seconds, for his second encounter at the 1.22 mile circuit situated in > Kent. > > Speaking of his qualifying achievement, Files remains confident that he can > make a strong start in the series that has propelled the likes of Tom > Onslow-Cole, Dave Newsham and Aron Smith to the BTCC. > > bIbm feeling good about how the session went,b said Files. bI think > that I drove well overall, but itbs just so close when we come and race here > due to the lap being so short.b > > bMy aim for tomorrow is to put myself in contention for a podium finish in > the first race, and really push for the win in the second. The car feels great > and Ibm sure thatbs achievable.b > > The opening round of the 2013 Renault UK Clio Cup will get underway tomorrow > (Sunday, 31st March), at 10.20, with Round 2 at 15.35. > > The second of the two races will be screened live on ITV4, ITV4 HD and can be > streamed live at www.itv.com/btcc > > Follow Josh Files on: > www.joshfiles.co.uk > @JoshFiles > Facebook.com/joshfilesracing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For more information, please contact William Fewkes at > BAM Motorsport Promotions: > Tel: +44 (0)1442 891 500 > Email: wfewkes at bam-promo.com > Web: www.bam-promo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow on Twitter | friend on Facebook | forward to a friend > > > > > > Copyright B) 2013 BAM Motorsports Group, All rights reserved. > From Josh Files PR Database > Our mailing address is: > > BAM Motorsports Group > 8 Akeman Street > Tring, Eng HP23 6AA > United Kingdom > > Add us to your address book > > > > > > > > > > > unsubscribe > from this list | update subscription preferences > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Mar 30 14:41:51 2013 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:41:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Now kids... In-Reply-To: <51574D64.2090309@bradakis.com> References: <51574D64.2090309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I'll second THAT! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 30, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Behave yourselves, before I do something drastic like double your > free subscription > prices! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Mar 30 15:36:24 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 17:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ya change the subject. Maybe Calendar Girls :) Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-30, at 2:31 PM, "Duncan Charlton" wrote: > Can we switch to religion now? > Alonzo Quijada > > On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, >> we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the >> road to bankruptcy. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Mar 30 20:35:32 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:35:32 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR brake caliper bracket options Message-ID: does anyone know of any alternative brackets to make it easier to mount non- standard front brake calipers like Willwood or brembos??. I have the facilities to make whatever i want, but sometimes when you are in a hurry, its just easier to buy thanks, Terry From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Mar 30 23:14:01 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 01:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> We still pay less for gas than most our neighbors around the pond. So don't cry yet. Bob T -----Original Message----- From: John Wagner To: BillDentin ; william.tobin31 ; spitlist ; fot Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. John ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 06:04:00 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 05:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1364731440.58313.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ I worked at a gas station in the 70's when I was in high school but I don't remember the price of oil or gas. What I DO remember is cleaning the windshields of girls in mini-skirts. It took longer than the normal windshield but they were spotless when they drove off. Mike Ya change the subject. Maybe Calendar Girls :) Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-30, at 2:31 PM, "Duncan Charlton" _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 31 07:56:26 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:56:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] K. Cup 2013 Message-ID: As of this morning we surpassed last years Mitty entrants. There are currently 53 folks who have expressed their intentions of competing at the 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America and there is still 4 months to go. If you are planning on attending and have not done so yet, get me your name car number and model so I can include it on the shirt back. no commitment required, we can add or remove names just before I place the order. It just makes planning a bit easier. Thanks, From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 08:02:50 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 07:02:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <1364731440.58313.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> <1364731440.58313.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5158420A.2000703@gmail.com> On 3/31/13 5:04 AM, Mike Munson wrote: > ________________________________ > > I worked at a gas station in the 70's > when I was in high school but I don't remember the price of oil or gas. > What I > DO remember is cleaning the windshields of girls in mini-skirts. > It took > longer than the normal windshield but they were spotless when they drove off. And I remember hitchhiking back in the early '70's wearing a very mini skirt. The guy who stopped to give me a lift was driving a Europa. I think he just wanted to see how a young woman with a 34 inch inseam and about the shortest miniskirt you could sit in and not get arrested was going to climb down into a Europa. He got lots a leg but I did know how to get into and out of Little British sports cars without showing more. Mostly I remember my first ride in a Europa. Back in the days of service stations I discovered that if I paid attention to the attendant and smiled I always knew all the car's fluids were full, the tyre pressures were correct and every window was clean when I drove off. These days with cars you just drive for 10-15 years until they break then just throw them away even the service bays are things of the long ago past. TeriAnn From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Mar 31 08:34:16 2013 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 08:34:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> References: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01ce2e1c$d32c7070$79855150$@hot-tr6.com> Actually the price of gas is virtually the same anywhere around the globe. It is just the socialist taxes that added on top of the price of gas varies the pump price. Just ask California. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear We still pay less for gas than most our neighbors around the pond. So don't cry yet. Bob T -----Original Message----- From: John Wagner To: BillDentin ; william.tobin31 ; spitlist ; fot Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. John ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing > wage > for teens was $1.00 an hour! > When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my 1951 Ford. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From igofaster at att.net Sun Mar 31 09:29:06 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1364743746.39685.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Happy Easter to my FoT family... Bobby ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 3:18:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Ya! How about that new Pope?! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT of Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Can we switch to religion now? Alonzo Quijada On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the > road to bankruptcy. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Mar 30 16:37:12 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:37:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" To: "Michael Porter" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, > we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down > the > road to bankruptcy. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > >> On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >>> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, >>> kaskastner at gmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>>> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >>>> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the > inflation) >>>> >>> Kas... >>> >>> Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, > if >>> it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we >>> expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. >>> All >>> things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. >>> >>> >> >> The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is > looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a > barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local > taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with > the > reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate > the > peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and > withheld > shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation > (such > as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: >> >> http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp >> >> If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi >> Arabia, > it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the > establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing > schedules > considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a > wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. > Within > six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was > $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase > in > the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the > embargo, > gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in > the > low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ > $2.25, > adjusted for inflation. >> >> Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined > products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per > bbl), > which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London > spot > prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather > than > an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in > production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the > spot > market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and > inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher > than > the historical average. >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> -- >> >> >> Michael Porter >> Roswell, NM >> >> >> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From bownes at seiri.com Sun Mar 31 09:08:52 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:08:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <000e01ce2e1c$d32c7070$79855150$@hot-tr6.com> References: <1364588448.78126.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFFBE5B0B45854-AFC-31CAD@webmail-d191.sysops.aol.com> <000e01ce2e1c$d32c7070$79855150$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <03EEC2FB-CE0B-4575-850C-BD8F4B8DF7B9@seiri.com> Arn't any of you guys going racing or somethin? I need to get a bit of paint on the car, mount up a fresh set of Hoosiers, drop a battery in her and go play! On Mar 31, 2013, at 10:34, "Walter Hollowell" wrote: > Actually the price of gas is virtually the same anywhere around the globe. > It is just the socialist taxes that added on top of the price of gas varies > the pump price. Just ask California. > Walt Hollowell > Albuquerque, New Mexico > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > We still pay less for gas than most our neighbors around the pond. So > don't cry yet. > > Bob T > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Wagner > To: BillDentin ; william.tobin31 > ; spitlist ; fot > > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:21 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > > When I was 16 I worked in the local canning factory canning peas. I > worked 100 hours a week and cleared $100. Wow I was rich. > > > John > > ________________________________ > From: "BillDentin at aol.com" > > To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; spitlist at cox.net; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] > Stations of yesteryear > > In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, > william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > > >> In a way I long for > those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing >> wage >> for teens was > $1.00 an hour! >> When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. > Bill... > > You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking > my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my > 1951 Ford. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 09:29:04 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:29:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <063F80F9-345F-4410-8BE4-329CCF1E4604@yahoo.com> If I remember right, the strength of our dollar determines how much we pay for oil. A weaker dollar means a higher price for oil and at the pump. When our economy is doing well, gas prices are less. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Mar 29, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of oil, > not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the inflation) > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:32 AM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 03/29/2013 5:41:59 AM Central Standard Time, >> william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: >> >> >>> In a way I long for those days too. Then I remember that the prevailing >>> wage >>> for teens was $1.00 an hour! >>> When I was a teen in the mid 60's gas was 27.9 for years. >> >> Bill... >> >> You're just a kid. I've got you by at least ten years. I remember taking >> my Shirley out on a date, and stopping for a bucks worth of regular for my >> 1951 Ford. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Mar 30 19:43:28 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:43:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> Message-ID: Good Lord...... I made no personal remark about the Pres. Where did you come up with that idea? He could be purple and it wouldn't make any difference to me. It's his & the fellow liberals' policies that are driving us to bankruptcy, you must realize his spending cannot continue. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2013, at 6:37 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. > End of rant. Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" > To: "Michael Porter" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > >> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, >> we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the >> road to bankruptcy. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Michael Porter wrote: >> >>> On 3/29/2013 1:35 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >>>> In a message dated 03/29/2013 12:28:21 PM Central Standard Time, >>>> kaskastner at gmail.com writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Remember also that the US was paying the arabs $5 buck for a barrel of >>>>> oil, not $91. (although I guess the amount are the same with the >> inflation) >>>> Kas... >>>> >>>> Interesting observation, and if my high school 'ratio' math still works, >> if >>>> it was .299 a gallon for gas when oil was $5.00 a barrel, shouldn't we >>>> expect to pay $5.442 now? I just filled my tank for $3.799 a gallon. All >>>> things being relative...maybe we should not be complaining. >>> >>> The problem is, as usual, more complicated than that. First, if one is >> looking for a standard of measurement based on inflation and the cost of a >> barrel of oil, then one has to exclude changes in federal, state and local >> taxes. Then one has to get the actual numbers more or less in line with the >> reality of the time frame, and then do some data smoothing to eliminate the >> peaks created by temporary shortages (the 1973 and 1978 embargoes and withheld >> shipments, for example) and oil prices affected by predatory speculation (such >> as the $147/bbl spike recently). You get something like this: >>> >>> http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Gasoline_Inflation.asp >>> >>> If we're talking about prices being affected in large part by Saudi Arabia, >> it's important to get the numbers in the timeline correct, because the >> establishment of OPEC price controls after 1973 changed the pricing schedules >> considerably. Saudi oil was routinely purchased by the refiners for a >> wellhead price before shipping of $1.50/bbl, until the 1973 embargo. Within >> six weeks of the beginning of the partial embargo by SA, that price was >> $6/bbl, and within four months, was $10/bbl. That alone is a 660% increase in >> the crude price in less than half a year. At the beginning of the embargo, >> gas prices jumped from a nominal $.30/gal to $.60/gal, and stabilized in the >> low .50s/gal until the 1978 oil shock, where the price increased to ~ $2.25, >> adjusted for inflation. >>> >>> Finally, one needs to look at crack differentials (price of all refined >> products combined per bbl of feedstock vs. crude oil feedstock price per bbl), >> which have been rising and, as well, understand that the NYMEX and London spot >> prices are more an indication of crude price trends in the market, rather than >> an actual current price paid by the majors, all of which tend to lock in >> production rates and prices for extended periods at prices lower than the spot >> market. Going by crack differentials, the gross profits of the majors and >> inflation-adjusted pricing, gas prices are currently quite a bit higher than >> the historical average. >>> >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Michael Porter >>> Roswell, NM >>> >>> >>> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >> distance.... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Mar 31 09:58:30 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:58:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear In-Reply-To: <1364743746.39685.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <0CCD4E13-F7E6-4796-ADA2-821153F27CE1@gmail.com> <8CFFB9AE8DCED34-1D90-3979A@webmail-m290.sysops.aol.com> <1364743746.39685.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F04B5B-A9DD-4BB7-9F2A-CE981785F092@gdhs.com> Now here's a great change of subject! Back to you Bobby & to all. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Happy Easter to my FoT family... Bobby > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 3:18:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Ya! How about that new Pope?! > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT of > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:31 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > > Can we switch to religion now? > Alonzo Quijada > > On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:04 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Don't forget what Obama and his fellow travelers are doing to our country, >> we'll be lucky if any of us can afford gas at all if they continue down the >> road to bankruptcy. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From igofaster at att.net Sun Mar 31 13:39:21 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> Message-ID: <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. From rwestfall at ymail.com Sun Mar 31 13:44:06 2013 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364759046.25383.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Here here! I love to rant and talk politics but here is not the place. We all love Triumphs and racing, lets enjoy the one place we don't have to listen to the "spin" Happy Easter to all! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > From: Bobby Whitehead > Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday > To: "FoT Triumph" > Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 7:39 PM > Obama is our President case closed... > BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying > for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS > Easter Sunday, a day > to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this > is the last day I > think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... > we've got MSNBC and > FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... > > Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking > a ham, drinking a > beer, and celebrating being free... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Tobin > To: John Hasty ; > Michael Porter > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, > have come back and > then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his > clusterf**k in Iraq. When I > hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood > boils. And I heard it > recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, > Obama is indeed your > president. Live with it. > End of rant. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com From spitlist at cox.net Sun Mar 31 13:46:41 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:46:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com><607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com><72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Mar 31 16:48:46 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Easter Sunday Message-ID: <1364770126.73321.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/31/13, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" , "Joe Curry" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 5:47 PM I second the idea to stop this rant on our list. I don't care which Boob in D.C you care for or don't care for. We have little to say in where the boat is floating and who is manning the rudder. The people in D.C. do not answer to us, so there is no need for this rant here. Happy Resurrection Day! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Joe Curry wrote: From: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 2:46 PM Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 31 17:36:27 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:36:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just not from Permatex or Valco: http://goo.gl/jE4dw http://goo.gl/mvKDc -- Randall From Janzen at REcatalyst.com Sun Mar 31 19:02:17 2013 From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:02:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Even if we disagree on politics - Message-ID: I think we have religion in common. I myself pray regularly to Our Lady of Eternal Combustion. I'm thinking about having a bumper sticker made up: "I give generously to Our Lady of Eternal Combustion" or is that internal? Probably not eternal with a LBC! From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 19:09:52 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 18:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <1364778592.44307.YahooMailNeo@web162504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> If you are using a shim gasket, may I recommend GM Goodwrench gasket sealing compound. We super glue .020 or less soft copper wire in the outer rings and with a small sponge paint roller apply the gsc. It looks like, an has the consistency of Carmel topping. Its Been holding High comp. chevys together since the 60's. Good Stuff and not that expensive. John Wagner Just the wrench From: Randall To: Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just not from Permatex or Valco: http://goo.gl/jE4dw http://goo.gl/mvKDc -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com From kkjjk at aol.com Sun Mar 31 19:23:37 2013 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364770126.73321.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364770126.73321.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFFC8EAB608D43-5E0-428BA@webmail-m292.sysops.aol.com> Agreed. Christ is Risen. Let us rejoice and be glad in it...............Save the politics for another venue............ -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: FOT Sent: Sun, Mar 31, 2013 6:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Easter Sunday --- On Sun, 3/31/13, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" , "Joe Curry" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 5:47 PM I second the idea to stop this rant on our list. I don't care which Boob in D.C you care for or don't care for. We have little to say in where the boat is floating and who is manning the rudder. The people in D.C. do not answer to us, so there is no need for this rant here. Happy Resurrection Day! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Joe Curry wrote: From: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 2:46 PM Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 19:36:40 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 18:36:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating In-Reply-To: <1364778592.44307.YahooMailNeo@web162504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1D.3D.25887.F68C8515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <1364778592.44307.YahooMailNeo@web162504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Pay attention here. The sticky part matters not much, but the copper wire literely seals the deal. Ho Ho Ho. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:09 PM, John Wagner wrote: > If you are using a shim gasket, may I recommend GM Goodwrench gasket > sealing compound. > We super glue .020 or less soft copper wire in the outer > rings and with a small sponge paint > roller apply the gsc. It looks like, an > has the consistency of Carmel topping. Its Been holding > High comp. chevys > together since the 60's. Good Stuff and not that expensive. > > > John > Wagner > Just the wrench > From: Randall > To: > Cc: > fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] > Head Gasket Coating > > FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just > not from Permatex or > Valco: > http://goo.gl/jE4dw > http://goo.gl/mvKDc > > -- > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 13:55:38 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:55:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: <1364759046.25383.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1364759046.25383.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Angie's baking scalloped potatoes, ham, homemade cheesecake, some new spicy green bean recipe, and a fruit and marshmallow salad. Some of you met her in Topeka at the Kastner Cup getting lots of autographs. She also helps with the car... Lucky to be free and have a great partner to enjoy this life and the next. I may have an adult beverage, but first I am going out to the garage to pull that old Paeco cam I destroyed last season... We are that stage where we have young working adults and no grandkids. Easter will be a lot more active in a few years... Happy Easter to all of you. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Mar 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Russell Westfall wrote: > Here here! I love to rant and talk politics but here is not the place. We all > love Triumphs and racing, lets enjoy the one place we don't have to listen to > the "spin" > Happy Easter to all! > > --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday >> To: "FoT Triumph" >> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 7:39 PM >> Obama is our President case closed... >> BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying >> for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS >> Easter Sunday, a day >> to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this >> is the last day I >> think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... >> we've got MSNBC and >> FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... >> >> Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking >> a ham, drinking a >> beer, and celebrating being free... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bill Tobin >> To: John Hasty ; >> Michael Porter >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear >> >> Sorry, can't resist. >> My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, >> have come back and >> then some under President Obama. >> And your grandchildren will still be paying for his >> clusterf**k in Iraq. When I >> hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood >> boils. And I heard it >> recently. >> Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, >> Obama is indeed your >> president. Live with it. >> End of rant. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sun Mar 31 13:56:45 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com><607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com><72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364759805.54676.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK, let's get back to Triumphs. This group does much better with Triumphs than politics. ________________________________ From: Joe Curry To: Bobby Whitehead ; FoT Triumph Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:46:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From bkahler1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 14:36:54 2013 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:36:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe, take the hint and shut up. On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Bobby, > Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in > years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on > the > national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for > what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and > outright lies at worst. > > Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what > suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. > > The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society > with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all > the > while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would > affect their bloated budget. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM > To: FoT Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday > > Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be > paying > for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, > a > day > to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day > I > > think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC > and > FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... > > Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, > drinking > a > beer, and celebrating being free... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Tobin > To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back > and > then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. > When I > hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard > it > > recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed > your > president. Live with it. > End of rant. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1 at gmail.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Mar 31 16:47:38 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1364770058.54064.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I second the idea to stop this rant on our list. I don't care which Boob in D.C you care for or don't care for. We have little to say in where the boat is floating and who is manning the rudder. The people in D.C. do not answer to us, so there is no need for this rant here. Happy Resurrection Day! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Joe Curry wrote: From: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 2:46 PM Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 31 18:58:58 2013 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (J. Wagner) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:58:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: great job guys... bring politics into the FoT and do it on Easter... it has Zero place in FoT posts... Zero. I don't care who started it... just learn to let it go. Nothing is gained by a pissing match here... and ultimately... there is much to lose. On Mar 31, 2013, at 12:46 PM, "Joe Curry" wrote: > Bobby, > Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in > years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the > national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for > what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and > outright lies at worst. > > Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what > suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. > > The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society > with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the > while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would > affect their bloated budget. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM > To: FoT Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday > > Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be > paying > for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a > day > to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I > > think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC > and > FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... > > Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking > a > beer, and celebrating being free... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Tobin > To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back > and > then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. > When I > hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it > > recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed > your > president. Live with it. > End of rant. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com