From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jan 1 12:38:12 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:38:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs Message-ID: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? Sent from my iPhone From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 1 14:14:11 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <1357074851.72302.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I use MOROSO part# 46160 Happy New Year Everybody. Dennis --- On Tue, 1/1/13, John Hasty wrote: > From: John Hasty > Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs > To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" > Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 1:38 PM > Who would be a source for "long" > wheel studs other than ARP? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From malaboge at aol.com Tue Jan 1 21:06:40 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:06:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> References: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Try Miloden @86060 pre 63 GM bolts and I believe you need to ream the hubs to 19/32" ...about $25 for 10 of 'em. An old lug myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:38 am Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? Sent from my iPhone From malaboge at aol.com Tue Jan 1 21:14:00 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:14:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> References: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFB6B6B9BDE68F-DB8-45252@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> DOH... make that # 86060 darn fat phingers... -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: jhhasty ; fot Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:07 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheel studs Try Miloden @86060 pre 63 GM bolts and I believe you need to ream the hubs to 19/32" ...about $25 for 10 of 'em. An old lug myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:38 am Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 06:18:51 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:18:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <8CFB6B6B9BDE68F-DB8-45252@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> References: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> <8CFB6B6B9BDE68F-DB8-45252@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: John , Moser also makes the long studs, not that it matters but that may be the axles you are running from Southwich. On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:14 PM, wrote: > DOH... > > make that # 86060 darn fat phingers... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: malaboge > To: jhhasty ; fot > Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:07 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheel studs > > > Try Miloden @86060 pre 63 GM bolts and I believe you need to ream the > hubs > to 19/32" ...about $25 for 10 of 'em. > > An old lug myself... > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:38 am > Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs > > > Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 2 06:29:17 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:29:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <1357074851.72302.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1357074851.72302.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Jan 2013, Dennis DeLap wrote: > I use MOROSO part# 46160 > Happy New Year Everybody. Ditto and Ditto. > Dennis regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Jan 2 08:16:58 2013 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:16:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] trailer for sale Message-ID: <50E44F6A.4040808@bright.net> A friend of mine, and a former employee of Kas at Nissan, has a car trailer for sale. Specs are listed below. He is coming to Ohio to pick up his new trailer so possible delivery along the way. Trailer is in Dallas,TX . Contact information for Ron Johnson is rj8083 at verizon.net. Pictures on Dallas Craigslist, #3510059927. This is a clean, well cared for unit. Ted 1-owner (purchased new) / less than 4,000 miles / OA length is 27' / 4-wheel electric brakes / 2 5/16" 12.5K coupler / LED tail lights / Removable LH fender / 4' dove tail / 5' ramps w/diamond plate (not ladder style) / Ramps have longer chains for easy-pull w/gloves on / Pull-out ramps have provisions for security padlock / In-bed storage box w/lock (32x32x12 inches) / 3,500 lb axles w/leaf springs / Front mounted jack / Side-mounted spare tire carrier w/new spare tire / 2,000 lb top-wind jack / Four (4) 360 degree swivel D-rings / 205/75x15 tires / Full 1/8" steel diamond plate floor / Dexter EZ flex HD rubber suspension system / complete eaz-lift elite equalizing hitch system included Perfect for race, vintage or commercial use / Can haul anything from a Mini to a full-size SUV / And, because it has a fully plated bed, it can also be used for motorcycles, ATVs, lumber, pipe, hay, etc. / Color is black & condition is excellent. $3,500.00 OBO -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed Jan 2 09:00:05 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:00:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member nomination Message-ID: 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is a long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently purchased a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. Do I hear a second? Current Photo - TR3 http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ thanks mike 63 Spitfire race car 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street G. Michael Harmuth From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 2 09:32:10 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:32:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] New member nomination Message-ID: <12f9a.ddb75b6.3e15bb09@cs.com> Of course.........wet liner people are always welcome. 2nd > 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is a > long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently purchased > a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car > and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. > Do I hear a second? > > Current Photo - TR3 > http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ > > thanks > mike > > 63 Spitfire race car > 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars > 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street > > > G. Michael Harmuth > From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 2 09:56:02 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:56:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] New member nomination References: <12f9a.ddb75b6.3e15bb09@cs.com> Message-ID: I will second Rick Mcurdy RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] New member nomination > Of course.........wet liner people are always welcome. > > 2nd > > >> 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is >> a >> long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently >> purchased >> a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car >> and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. >> Do I hear a second? >> >> Current Photo - TR3 >> http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ >> >> thanks >> mike >> >> 63 Spitfire race car >> 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars >> 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street >> >> >> G. Michael Harmuth >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jan 2 09:14:06 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:14:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005301cde904$30786530$91692f90$@rr.com> Okay, second! russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:00 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fmccjr at aol.com Subject: [Fot] New member nomination 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is a long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently purchased a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. Do I hear a second? Current Photo - TR3 http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ thanks mike 63 Spitfire race car 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Jan 2 15:29:21 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:29:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? Which ones are good/not-so good.. Robert MacKenzie From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 2 15:32:37 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: <157AD9C8-D2AB-4083-BC78-4CA8C3E24CE9@me.com> I like the Hans Sport - rounded corners don't get hooked on the door frame of my GT6 coupe like the "standard" Hans. On Jan 2, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? Which ones are good/not-so good.. Robert MacKenzie _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Jan 2 16:26:09 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:26:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: They're all good. A HANS is a HANS by that name, other similar devices are knockoffs under different names and personally I like the original. I also don't like the idea of being trussed up in some collection of straps, just the HANS sitting on my shoulders (and under my shoulder belts) works just fine, thanks. Simple and elegant. But prices vary. I have the Hans Sport. It's nice, relatively low-cost, and the "extra weight" is negligible for a club racer doing 30-45 minute events. It might be a consideration for a guy doing a 4-hour NASCAR or triple-stints at the Daytona 24, but then those guys can afford the high-dollar carbon-fibre lightweight models. SafeRacer has some good prices on them. Be sure you get the right model -- they vary both for your neck size and how you sit in your car (laydown, upright). I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? > Which ones are good/not-so good.. > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Jan 2 16:27:06 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:27:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? > Which ones are good/not-so good.. > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 2 16:29:11 2013 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:29:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <14643495.1357169351344.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Get the HANS 20 degree layback model with the adjustable tethers. If you feel like dropping a few extra bucks, get the carbon-fiber model. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Robert MacKenzie >Sent: Jan 2, 2013 2:29 PM >To: 'Friends of Triumph' >Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > >Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? >Which ones are good/not-so good.. > >Robert MacKenzie >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 2 16:49:14 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:49:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: GForce also does the anchors to your hat. If possible I would go to your dealer and try on all the sizes with your hat. I found the "recommended" size was not the best for me when it was actually fitted. Be sure and get the theather straps that slide through their mounts. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:26 PM, "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > They're all good. A HANS is a HANS by that name, other similar devices are knockoffs under different names and personally I like the original. I also don't like the idea of being trussed up in some collection of straps, just the HANS sitting on my shoulders (and under my shoulder belts) works just fine, thanks. Simple and elegant. > > But prices vary. I have the Hans Sport. It's nice, relatively low-cost, and the "extra weight" is negligible for a club racer doing 30-45 minute events. It might be a consideration for a guy doing a 4-hour NASCAR or triple-stints at the Daytona 24, but then those guys can afford the high-dollar carbon-fibre lightweight models. > > SafeRacer has some good prices on them. Be sure you get the right model -- they vary both for your neck size and how you sit in your car (laydown, upright). > > I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. > > I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM > Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > > >> Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? >> Which ones are good/not-so good.. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 2 16:59:14 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:59:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: <200780A8-3D34-4155-A748-213E6255799C@gdhs.com> PS: also make sure your seat back is not too far forward at the top so your head can slant slightly back and you have free movement in all directions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:49 PM, John Hasty wrote: > GForce also does the anchors to your hat. If possible I would go to your dealer and try on all the sizes with your hat. I found the "recommended" size was not the best for me when it was actually fitted. Be sure and get the theather straps that slide through their mounts. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:26 PM, "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > >> They're all good. A HANS is a HANS by that name, other similar devices are knockoffs under different names and personally I like the original. I also don't like the idea of being trussed up in some collection of straps, just the HANS sitting on my shoulders (and under my shoulder belts) works just fine, thanks. Simple and elegant. >> >> But prices vary. I have the Hans Sport. It's nice, relatively low-cost, and the "extra weight" is negligible for a club racer doing 30-45 minute events. It might be a consideration for a guy doing a 4-hour NASCAR or triple-stints at the Daytona 24, but then those guys can afford the high-dollar carbon-fibre lightweight models. >> >> SafeRacer has some good prices on them. Be sure you get the right model -- they vary both for your neck size and how you sit in your car (laydown, upright). >> >> I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. >> >> I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. >> >> --Rocky Entriken >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" >> To: "'Friends of Triumph'" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM >> Subject: [Fot] HANS Device >> >> >>> Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? >>> Which ones are good/not-so good.. >>> >>> Robert MacKenzie >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Jan 3 06:59:04 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:59:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd recommend the HANS Sport 20 degree with the sliding brackets. I don't have the quick disconnect, open cockpit Spitfire, I just slip the helmet and HANS on as a unit before I slide down into the seat. The sliding tethers allow enough movement from side to side that I really don't notice I have it on. In the past I raced a formula 500 open wheel car and used one of the full body strap type restraints. I felt like a pot roast, all laced up, the HANS device is a big improvement. Oh, and the HANS system does work. I had a diff break a tooth and lock up, taking out a 1/2 shaft down the front straight at Limerock. Quick spin into the wall and a shorter car. I didn't even get a stiff neck from the impact, but my wife sure gave me an ear ache when she saw the car. Good new was I was there to hear it. Got the whole thing on video. into the wall http://s32.beta.photobucket.com/user/harmug/media/into%20the%20wall/IntotheWa llFacebookcut.mp4.html mike G. Michael Harmuth From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jan 3 16:00:27 2013 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:00:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH World February/March 2012 Message-ID: <8CFB81D41505E23-AFC-440D@webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com> Amici... My February/March issue of Triumph World arrived today, and has a ton of great articles in it. Part 1 of 2 Kas Kastner Interview (five pages) An article on Spitfire racing in the USA (our own Mark Craig) Why the TR7 had the biggest impact of all Triumph sports cars; Getting a Rover V8 in a Doretti; And about fifteen others...all good stuff... Bill Dentinger From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jan 3 19:22:33 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 02:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add Message-ID: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello all, I just wanted to share what I just found in the latest issue of Victory Lane magazine, a fantastic full page add with large photo of 3 racing TR4s in action. In the photo are Sean Alexander, Dennis DeLap and...? Nice exciting shot! See Y'all there and best wishes for a great New Year, Dave H. From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 3 19:43:17 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:43:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add References: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <95D0A131054D47B88AE37C96BDF96A02@Bud> thanks Dave..great photo! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "davehogye" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 6:22 PM Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add > Hello all, > I just wanted to share what I just found in the latest issue of Victory > Lane magazine, a fantastic full page add with large photo of 3 racing TR4s > in action. > In the photo are Sean Alexander, Dennis DeLap and...? Nice exciting shot! > See Y'all there and best wishes for a great New Year, > Dave H. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 3 20:01:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 22:01:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup ad In-Reply-To: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CFB83EF95491D5-16F8-6352@webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com> Dave, Yup, that's SEAN, DENNIS, and BOB WISMER. The photo credit goes to Joan DeLap. It has been one of my favorite photographs, for a long time. Apparently, VSCDA has very good taste...... I would vote for this to have on our event shirt, but I have a different vision for the shirt that would involve a more retro theme. We should know more in a couple of weeks.....it's really not up to me. Right now the KCUP 2013 is looking very good, Great photo....thanks JUST JOAN! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: davehogye To: Fot Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:23 pm Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add Hello all, I just wanted to share what I just found in the latest issue of Victory Lane magazine, a fantastic full page add with large photo of 3 racing TR4s in action. In the photo are Sean Alexander, Dennis DeLap and...? Nice exciting shot! See Y'all there and best wishes for a great New Year, Dave H. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 4 13:39:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 15:39:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 Message-ID: <8CFB8D2ADB7A1B2-17C8-BE82@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Does anyone have contact information for Robert Stadel? Ambro. Tony Garmey says he will be coming but wont know which cars until JAN/FEB time frame....TR250? Hope so. Hope everyone is doing well with OSTHOFF RESERVATIONS. Lots of three BR suites are reserved as it cost effective. I will be opening up the Osthoff reservations to other groups, like the VTR, as we have a working relationship with them. We will have first pass FOT POSTER by the 15th of January....Steve Belfer. This will likely result in the artwork for the event shirt......Marty Sukey As you know, VSCDA is doing very well with advertising this event. John Houlton, Chair, Jason Ostrowski, Paddock Master, Tim Murphy, and I plan to come in early to rope off paddock area. I am looking for a couple COMMERCIAL sponsors for a couple low dollar features. Any interest? Lots of little details to be worked out but it's coming along. Thanks for all of the support. VSCDA.ORG ROADAMERICA.COM FOT-RACE.COM OSTHOF.COM Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From jsukey at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 22:30:59 2013 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 00:30:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts Message-ID: I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? Thanks for any input, Jason Sukey From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Jan 5 06:14:56 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 08:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50E82750.9070201@cfl.rr.com> Send a core cam to Ric Cline. He will machine you a race cam. He has been building a racing GT6's forever. I have an address and phone number if you are interested. Bob On 1/5/13 12:30 AM, Jason Sukey wrote: > I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 > cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any > experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? > Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? > > For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 > rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a > GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come > on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and > lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be > similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? > > Thanks for any input, > > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jan 5 09:10:34 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:10:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts In-Reply-To: <50E82750.9070201@cfl.rr.com> References: <50E82750.9070201@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CFB976533452E9-1CCC-11357@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> Jason, Ric Cline will be able to answer all your questions and needs. Just tell him your intensions with the GT6 and you might find he already has your particular grind sitting on his shelf. He was very helpfull in my search for my autocrossing Spitfire and very pleased so far with the results. Good luck, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts Send a core cam to Ric Cline. He will machine you a race cam. He has een building a racing GT6's forever. I have an address and phone number f you are interested. Bob n 1/5/13 12:30 AM, Jason Sukey wrote: I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? Thanks for any input, Jason Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sat Jan 5 13:57:26 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:57:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] H6 Gland packing help Message-ID: <1357419446.9152.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have been doing some work on the TR4 race car over the winter here in the Northwest. I am switching to an H6 carb set up from the HS6 carbs I had used the last 3 years (long story on why - though I had a carb problem when it was a head gasket). I am having problems with the packing leaking around the Jets. The Jets are new from Joe Curto. When initially put the carbs on the car and applied fuel pressure they started dripping. I replaced the new cork packings with the Orings that Moss sells. They leaked as well. So I did some looking on the internet and SU says to soak the cork packings in motor oil. I did that and put the carbs back together after soaking. I had some head work done and finally have the engine all together. I ran the engine today for the first time and the jets are still leaking. Does the leaking go away the carbs have been used awhile? The Jets never actually get used other than to center the needle with no choke linkages. Any ideas would be appriciated. thanks!!! Mike Mehl #46 TR4 - Vancouver Washington From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jan 5 18:22:09 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:22:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] New Video Message-ID: <50E8D1C1.2070304@comcast.net> Happy New Year FOT. To help you get your thoughts back on racing, I've posted a new video on Youtube. It's from the final race at the Columbia River Classic in Portland. This was Monday afternoon of Labor Day weekend and a lot of the cars had already left for home. Jeff Quick in his TR4 and Gary Silcox in the Elva started at the back for fun. You see them blast by me on lap 2. There's also some good footage of Bill Hart's Devin during the first couple of laps. The video ends early because of the 15 minute time limit on Youtube. I used Dashware to synch my AIM data with the GoPro video. The only problem is the lap count is off since I started the data system in the paddock to watch the temps as I warmed up the car. Every time the data gets turned on and off, it counts as a lap. Need to figure out how to reset it on pregrid. Anyway, enjoy! Jim Norlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9yt7zJHwSc From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jan 5 19:17:58 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:17:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Video In-Reply-To: <50E8D1C1.2070304@comcast.net> Message-ID: Well driven Jim, really nice course too. Jim Gray -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Norlin Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:22 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] New Video Happy New Year FOT. To help you get your thoughts back on racing, I've posted a new video on Youtube. It's from the final race at the Columbia River Classic in Portland. This was Monday afternoon of Labor Day weekend and a lot of the cars had already left for home. Jeff Quick in his TR4 and Gary Silcox in the Elva started at the back for fun. You see them blast by me on lap 2. There's also some good footage of Bill Hart's Devin during the first couple of laps. The video ends early because of the 15 minute time limit on Youtube. I used Dashware to synch my AIM data with the GoPro video. The only problem is the lap count is off since I started the data system in the paddock to watch the temps as I warmed up the car. Every time the data gets turned on and off, it counts as a lap. Need to figure out how to reset it on pregrid. Anyway, enjoy! Jim Norlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9yt7zJHwSc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 6 08:31:57 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:31:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Message-ID: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out New high torque starter New battery Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load New radiator Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I got it I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be applicable to this particular problem. The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured that to be 175-180 F at the cap. I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. Thanks for your suggestions, Greg From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jan 6 08:38:19 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel pump, though it could very well be fuel percolation as well. With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, and not just with TRs. I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel pump. Terry Stetler From mpendy at dishmail.net Sun Jan 6 08:47:39 2013 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 07:47:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: Make sure the the ignition coil is'nt the culprit.....alot of heat breaks down the internals. Just a thought Mark P On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel > pump, though it could very well be > fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, > and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel > pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From igofaster at att.net Sun Jan 6 09:25:28 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:25:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight Message-ID: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a sale in my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer tool cart 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my car hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough if you own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not mentioned but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. I've got my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought those years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of backlash from toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know not to lick our Chinese tools... Bobby From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 09:38:21 2013 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:38:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Video In-Reply-To: <20130106023150.716DB40551@autox.team.net> References: <20130106023150.716DB40551@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0A330E3A-2F2B-4566-B1B4-06BD65F6B744@yahoo.com> Hey dude. I am laid up this weekend. Had wrist surgery Friday and been on some good drugs. Loopy is a good word for me. Tu Sent from my iPhone '63 Triumph TR4 DP Race Car ++++ On Jan 5, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Well driven Jim, really nice course too. > Jim Gray > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jim Norlin > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:22 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] New Video > > Happy New Year FOT. To help you get your thoughts back on racing, I've > posted a new video on Youtube. It's from the final race at the Columbia > River Classic in Portland. This was Monday afternoon of Labor Day > weekend and a lot of the cars had already left for home. Jeff Quick in > his TR4 and Gary Silcox in the Elva started at the back for fun. You > see them blast by me on lap 2. There's also some good footage of Bill > Hart's Devin during the first couple of laps. The video ends early > because of the 15 minute time limit on Youtube. > > I used Dashware to synch my AIM data with the GoPro video. The only > problem is the lap count is off since I started the data system in the > paddock to watch the temps as I warmed up the car. Every time the data > gets turned on and off, it counts as a lap. Need to figure out how to > reset it on pregrid. > > Anyway, enjoy! > > Jim Norlin > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9yt7zJHwSc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jan 6 09:56:31 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:56:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: > what > are the solutions other than heat shield? Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. -- Randall From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Jan 6 10:10:35 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 11:10:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50E9B00B.5070502@pobox.com> I can't tell you how the power curves would compare, but generally, if you have a motor which is capable of higher revs you will want to use a cam with more duration, i.e. valve open longer. I beat this subject to death at my website http://tildentechnologies.com/. In my opinion, for a 7 to 8,000 RPM motor you probably want at least 260 degrees duration at 0.050 lift. What kind of cams are the other hot GT6 racers running? Larry Young On 1/4/2013 11:30 PM, Jason Sukey wrote: > I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 > cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any > experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? > Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? > > For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 > rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a > GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come > on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and > lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be > similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? > > Thanks for any input, > > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Jan 6 10:23:47 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:23:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Message-ID: In a message dated 01/06/2013 10:56:38 AM Central Standard Time, TR3driver at ca.rr.com writes: > > what > > are the solutions other than heat shield? > > Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I > also > recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with > no > choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. > I used to have big problems restarting my 'HOT' early TR3 (SU carbs) after enduro pit stops, red flag stops, etc. But these 'HOT' restarting problems went away after (at Henry Frye's suggestion) I put my electric fuel pump on a switch. Thereafter when the car was 'HOT' I would turn off the fuel pump, count to ten, before turning off the engine. Have not had a 'HOT' engine starting problem since. Even when coming back to the paddock after a track session, I now turn off the fuel pump, count to ten, before turning off the engine. If I do that, no problem restarting the 'HOT' race car in my paddock either. Not sure how this relates to Stromberg carbs. Bill Dentinger From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jan 6 10:42:06 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:42:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS Message-ID: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars because of heat buildup and quality of gas. Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean Alexander. They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an exclusive one for GoodParts. Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? > > > From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jan 6 11:17:17 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 11:17:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: " but as adults we should know not to lick our Chinese tools..." Bobby you crack me up :) I pledge to practice safe mechanics and not lick my Chinese tools. Jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 9:25 AM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a sale in my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer tool cart 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my car hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough if you own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not mentioned but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. I've got my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought those years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of backlash from toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know not to lick our Chinese tools... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sun Jan 6 11:33:02 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:33:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1357497182.6503.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sounds like the coil to me. ________________________________ From: Greg & Alison Blake To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Sun, January 6, 2013 7:33:36 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out New high torque starter New battery Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load New radiator Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I got it I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be applicable to this particular problem. The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured that to be 175-180 F at the cap. I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. Thanks for your suggestions, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 6 12:47:37 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:47:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> Greg Does the girl line have any crud in it ? It would be easy to believe there rust, varnish and the like. I had one car that needed a new fuel line. I tried very hard to clean the old one but it appeared that the restrictions enabled the vapor lock issues. You can substitute a temporary rubber fuel line from tank to pump to see if it helps. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel > pump, though it could very well be > fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Jan 6 13:24:00 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 15:24:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <50E9DD60.4010703@charter.net> Greg As dumb or simple as it may sound, try switching your gas station. I don't know where you live but the switch was on to winter blended fuels which would have a higher reed vapor pressure and more likely to boil or vapor lock. I take car of more than a dozen guys cars here locally (Southeast Michigan) and haven't had much of an issue with the problem. About half of those. I have rebuilt the carbs, replaced the vacuum valves but kept the hot idle compensator's intact. I have had fuel injected cars run into the same problems when the % alcohol content is too high. Remember they add more alcohol as a cheaper way to raise octane on pump fuel. Glenn On 1/6/2013 10:31 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great > when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue > with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit > for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: > > Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out > > New high torque starter > > New battery > > Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. > Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load > > New radiator > > Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I > got it > > I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be > applicable to this particular problem. > > The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured > that to be 175-180 F at the cap. > > > > I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the > fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last > weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel > pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what > are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on > the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it > should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. > > > > When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I > usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it > going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. > > > > Thanks for your suggestions, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jan 6 13:25:54 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:25:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <50E9DDD2.1040603@comcast.net> I had similar problems with my racing Spit. Wouldn't restart after the engine heat soaked. The only way to get it to restart was to pour cold water on the intake manifold to cool it. After I had the carbs (SU's) rebuilt, the problem totally went away. The throttle shafts and throttle body were worn and apparently there was too much air leakage. This was verified when we put the car on the chassis dyno last spring. The only thing changed was the rebuilt carbs, and we had to lean them out significantly to get the car to run right. Gained about 2 hp. On 1/6/2013 7:31 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great > when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue > with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit > for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: > > Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out > > New high torque starter > > New battery > > Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. > Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load > > New radiator > > Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I > got it > > I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be > applicable to this particular problem. > > The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured > that to be 175-180 F at the cap. > > > > I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the > fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last > weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel > pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what > are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on > the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it > should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. > > > > When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I > usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it > going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. > > > > Thanks for your suggestions, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 6 13:59:34 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 15:59:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS In-Reply-To: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> References: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars because of heat buildup and quality of gas. Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean Alexander. They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an exclusive one for GoodParts. Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? > > > From spitlist at cox.net Sun Jan 6 14:16:22 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 14:16:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: "Girl" line? Is this an auto correction feature of your I Phone? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 12:48 PM To: Terry Stetler Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Greg Does the girl line have any crud in it ? It would be easy to believe there rust, varnish and the like. I had one car that needed a new fuel line. I tried very hard to clean the old one but it appeared that the restrictions enabled the vapor lock issues. You can substitute a temporary rubber fuel line from tank to pump to see if it helps. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel > pump, though it could very well be > fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 6 16:32:43 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS In-Reply-To: <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> References: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <73960577B9A8473580EA5E3611B67443@UserTHINK> Joe's Heat Shield solved issues with my 4A as well. They are especially useful if the engine driven fan is replaced by an electric fan. In slow traffic or in stopped traffic there is not a sufficient amount of air being moved until the electric fan kicks in which could be a few minutes or longer. That's enough time for the exhaust manifold to radiate a lot of heat up and under the carb float bowls. An excellent improvement for our cars, well designed and manufactured, perfect fit too. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 3:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars because of heat buildup and quality of gas. Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean Alexander. They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an exclusive one for GoodParts. Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Jan 6 17:57:30 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:57:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS In-Reply-To: <73960577B9A8473580EA5E3611B67443@UserTHINK> References: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> <73960577B9A8473580EA5E3611B67443@UserTHINK> Message-ID: <1EC7709B-DBF0-4BF9-8755-3F6F4D428C35@gdhs.com> Ceramic coating of the exhaust header reduces the heat by 35%. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 6:32 PM, "Jerry Van Vlack" wrote: > Joe's Heat Shield solved issues with my 4A as well. They are especially useful if the engine driven fan is replaced by an electric fan. In slow traffic or in stopped traffic there is not a sufficient amount of air being moved until the electric fan kicks in which could be a few minutes or longer. That's enough time for the exhaust manifold to radiate a lot of heat up and under the carb float bowls. An excellent improvement for our cars, well designed and manufactured, perfect fit too. > > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 3:59 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS > > Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also > recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no > choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------- > > My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars > because of heat buildup and quality of gas. > > Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I > reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on > production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean > Alexander. > > They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an > exclusive one for GoodParts. > > Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts > if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 6 21:15:23 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:15:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <005101cdec8d$9d345990$d79d0cb0$@rr.com> Don't know about the Girl Line, but the fuel line is new from tank to the rebuilt pump. The line from the pump to the carbs is still the old line. I've been looking at the old cruddy line from the pump to the front carb and thinking I should replace it. While I am at it, is there a better routing for the TR6 fuel line than right under the water pump? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:48 PM To: Terry Stetler Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Greg Does the girl line have any crud in it ? It would be easy to believe there rust, varnish and the like. I had one car that needed a new fuel line. I tried very hard to clean the old one but it appeared that the restrictions enabled the vapor lock issues. You can substitute a temporary rubber fuel line from tank to pump to see if it helps. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical > fuel pump, though it could very well be fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common > problem, and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric > fuel pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Jan 6 22:14:23 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 00:14:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] H6 Gland packing help Message-ID: <1a09c.b819c17.3e1bb3af@aol.com> Mike, I used to get great comments from the SF SCCA inspectors about my TR3's SUs not leaking. I used liberal amounts of petroleum jelly with the cork seals. Have you checked the jet outside surfaces and diameters for scratches or other issues that could hurt the seals? Even new parts need to be checked. Are you certain that the leaks are from the jet OD? Please be advised that when I went from the H6 to the HS6 the change was beyond track tuning in the limited amount of time available during a National weekend for a very modified motor. I had the complete H6 system to reinstall, and did for that weekend. The center pull linkage for the butterfly shafts of the HS6 is much more reliable in my experience, and we did get them to work very well. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 1/6/2013 8:57:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] H6 Gland packing help Message-ID: <1357419446.9152.YahooMailNeo at web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been doing some work on the TR4 race car over the winter here in the Northwest. I am switching to an H6 carb set up from the HS6 carbs I had used the last 3 years (long story on why - though I had a carb problem when it was a head gasket). I am having problems with the packing leaking around the Jets. The Jets are new from Joe Curto. When initially put the carbs on the car and applied fuel pressure they started dripping. I replaced the new cork packings with the Orings that Moss sells. They leaked as well. So I did some looking on the internet and SU says to soak the cork packings in motor oil. I did that and put the carbs back together after soaking. I had some head work done and finally have the engine all together. I ran the engine today for the first time and the jets are still leaking. Does the leaking go away the carbs have been used awhile? The Jets never actually get used other than to center the needle with no choke linkages. Any ideas would be appriciated. thanks!!! Mike Mehl #46 TR4 - Vancouver Washington From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 06:04:56 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:04:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <8E4EEEA1-405E-4C21-A075-6D60F4EF8D18@comcast.net> References: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <8E4EEEA1-405E-4C21-A075-6D60F4EF8D18@comcast.net> Message-ID: I also use the Hylomar Blue, works good, seals good....believe it or nor you use to could get it at Harbor Freight ! On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Bud R wrote: > I'm a "Right Stuff" user too. > > It works great and I've even used it to stop leaks on the outer edge > of a timing cover that I didn't have the time or inclination to go > through the whole process of removing all the things needed to pull > the cover. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Steve Yott wrote: > > > I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on > > everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... > > > > Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you > > don't > > want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff > > as it > > will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. > > > > Steve Yott > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > > On > > Behalf Of Dennis Delap > > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM > > To: Bob Kramer > > Cc: FOT > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > > > Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a > > sealant these > > days? > > > > > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer > > wrote: > > > >> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set > >> it > >> all > > up > >> dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have > >> less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are > >> stamped and > > press > >> down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will > >> need > >> to > > have > >> custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > >> > >> Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get > >> them > > out > >> before spending money on the crank! > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> > >>> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am > >>> working on > >> the > >>> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This > >>> is > >>> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new > >>> sleeves. > >>> Head > >> gasket > >>> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel > >>> and > > could > >> be > >>> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > >>> Question > > is, > >> do > >>> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > >>> > >>> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to > >>> remove > >> the > >>> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out > >>> sufficiently. > > It > >>> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple > >>> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm > >>> thinking they > >> will > >>> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 7 06:35:19 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:35:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com><77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> <005101cdec8d$9d345990$d79d0cb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <95807B9E1B3B42249F12B5F32D4C0B98@TRIUMPH.local> The race car is a completely different story, Bill Dentinger's post explained my take on that issue. But in the street driving world, I guess I have been lucky. In all my years of driving SU/Stromberg Triumphs on the street I never really had a hot start problem. I agree with Jim Norlin's experience, having your carbs 100% right seems to be at least part of the solution. I have built two modified TR4 street engines in the past several years. The first one is my buddy's car, it has with a cam, some head work, a stock TR4A exhaust manifold and belt driven fan. Mine has a bigger cam, even more head work, a header and an electric fan. Both are running stock mechanical fuel pumps and neither has a heat shield. Both got new HS6's direct from Burlen in the UK. We routinely load up the cars with our wives and gear and try to drive the wheels off. I can recall countless stop and go bathroom breaks and gas stops in very hot weather that had me wondering if the cars would restart, but they always fire right up. I read somewhere long long ago (I am thinking it's in the owners manual) that you are supposed to hold the throttle open about 1/3 open when cranking a hot engine, when you do that the engine usually fires immediately. It's nice to hear people having hot start issues in January, for the better part of the past week I have been seeing single digits in the morning glance of the thermometer! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems > > what are the solutions other than heat shield? From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 7 22:29:11 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:29:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. My tools go back 45 years, a combination of Craftsman, MAC, Snap On, Proto, and other quality brands. And Lincoln welders. Life's too short to buy cheap tools. Or cheap bikes. Or in the old days, cheap beer! Ya gets what ya pays for. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight > I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a > sale in > my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer > tool cart > 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my > car > hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough > if you > own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not > mentioned > but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. > I've got > my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought > those > years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... > Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of > backlash from > toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know > not > to lick our Chinese tools... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Jan 8 06:22:36 2013 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:22:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Message-ID: <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and have none to measure. Thanks, Richard Good From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 07:53:58 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:53:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Message-ID: <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jan 8 08:11:43 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:11:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> The vast majority of my "Buffalo" brand socket set (purchased who knows where) is, thankfully, gone. Broken, not lost. I purchased that socket set around 1987 to do my first solo wrenching - changing a water pump, in the parking lot of our apartment building. Naturally, it rained. I never had any of my own tools before that, as my dad (GT6 racer Jerry Barr) was always a short drive away, with a bottomless toolbox and decades of wrenching experience. The tools sold at Harbor Freight these days seem of higher quality than that old Buffalo brand socket set, but I try to get Craftsman or better. Scott B. (must be winter, if we're down to talking about tools. Is it time for The Great Transmission Debate again?) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:54 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jan 8 08:40:23 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <37246ED617AE475389FED3D14D9CB81B@gdhs.local> No debate from me, I learned my lesson the last time I brought it up! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 10:12 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight The vast majority of my "Buffalo" brand socket set (purchased who knows where) is, thankfully, gone. Broken, not lost. I purchased that socket set around 1987 to do my first solo wrenching - changing a water pump, in the parking lot of our apartment building. Naturally, it rained. I never had any of my own tools before that, as my dad (GT6 racer Jerry Barr) was always a short drive away, with a bottomless toolbox and decades of wrenching experience. The tools sold at Harbor Freight these days seem of higher quality than that old Buffalo brand socket set, but I try to get Craftsman or better. Scott B. (must be winter, if we're down to talking about tools. Is it time for The Great Transmission Debate again?) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:54 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 8 08:58:45 2013 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> I have a set of socket wrenches that I bought at Penney's over 40 years ago. I bought them because they were about 10-15% less than the Craftsman brand. They had the same lifetime guarantee as Sears. Unfortunately, they stopped selling tools in the early '80s. Still work great, other than the 7/16 that some got lost under the carpet of the Spit for about 20 years. A Snap-On found on the race track replaced that. As for Harbor Freight and other el cheapo tools, I will buy them as a one time deal for limited jobs. But when they need replacing, I try to buy quality. I bought a cheap tap and die set years ago. As the original wear out, they get replaced with good stuff. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:54 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jan 8 09:06:40 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tools Message-ID: <73D441C8376946E39464AD07AA5AA5F6@hpd530> TeriAnn, glad you weren't afraid to get your hands dirty and learn how to fix things! My kind of girl! (That's a compliment, not a sexist remark!) My first engine overhaul was my '64 Tempest, after reading many Hot Rod how-to-do-it articles. It came out OK, after a bit of help from a friend. Scott and Scott, I still have the complete set of sockets and box end wrenches from Wizard, Western Auto's brand, bought in the late '50's. They hang on the same board that I nailed to the wall, as a ten year old, in our new garage, built in '59! They still get used, especially on my old Farmalls. There were many little-known tool brands produced in that era, mostly good quality. When buying pliers, there's only one brand and they're made 15 miles south of me in Meadville, PA. Blue handles. I have friends who work there. Channellock. They have a new set of MIG welding pliers out, far superior to the import stuff. And not horribly expensive. Funny, if you go to China Freight, their brand of pliers is hanging on the display rack. Channellocks are locked in a cabinet! We're supposed to have some nice weather for a few days, fairly warm. Time to go pull the engine in the TR6 and overhaul it. Off to the garage............ Cheers, Bill From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 8 09:37:21 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:37:21 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Split seals TR 3-4 In-Reply-To: <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <007a01cdedbe$6f6f80c0$4e4e8240$@com> Hi guys, how things are going? I would like to thank all people for purchasing my Viton seal solution in the past. I never thought that this type of crank seal might become such a big deal in Triumph cars and racing. Now the number of 250 seals are sold and I think most of them are now implanted to Triumph or Morgan cars. How cool is that? I also would like to thank Joe Alexander for his effort to keep this project going and making excellent suggestions to improve this solution. As usual he stocks the Viton seals for the USA/Canada market. At the moment the Viton seal is asked as never before. The last two weeks I sold 15 kits all about Europe mostly UK. I'm pleased to see that and had so far only two complaints. The first one said, the seal was leaking badly after mounting. A replacement was dry. The other one didn't check his flywheel bolt length and the 4 bolts ripped the Viton seal to bits. Bad luck for that. All 248 other seals seem to work okay as I had no bad feedback so far, only emails with good results. So I'm happy if people have now a leak free race car and fun on the tracks. Cheers Chris From igofaster at att.net Tue Jan 8 09:41:03 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:41:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Message-ID: <1357663263.87910.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> being a tool guy all my life (not just a tool) I remember the Japanese company that had a company in USA Japan.... I think they we're told to cease and desist... BGW ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: Bobby Whitehead ; FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, January 7, 2013 11:29:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. My tools go back 45 years, a combination of Craftsman, MAC, Snap On, Proto, and other quality brands. And Lincoln welders. Life's too short to buy cheap tools. Or cheap bikes. Or in the old days, cheap beer! Ya gets what ya pays for. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight > I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a sale >in > my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer tool >cart > 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my car > hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough if you > own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not mentioned > but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. I've got > my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought those > years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... > Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of backlash >from > toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know not > to lick our Chinese tools... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 09:51:40 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:51:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> Message-ID: <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> Richard, I measured 2.52 inches on both sets of 1 1/4 carbs I have. Glad to see you doing more Spitfire parts. How bout a LSD next. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Richard Good wrote: > I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two > bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to > center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and > have none to measure. > > Thanks, > Richard Good _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 10:21:03 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 12:21:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530>, <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC>, <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> Message-ID: I second the motion :) Marty > From: levilevi at comcast.net > To: goodparts at verizon.net > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:51:40 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] carb bolt pattern > > Richard, > > I measured 2.52 inches on both sets of 1 1/4 carbs I have. Glad to see > you doing more Spitfire parts. How bout a LSD next. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Richard Good wrote: > > > I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two > > bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to > > center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and > > have none to measure. > > > > Thanks, > > Richard Good _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jan 8 10:38:24 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:38:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <37246ED617AE475389FED3D14D9CB81B@gdhs.local> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530><50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com><82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <37246ED617AE475389FED3D14D9CB81B@gdhs.local> Message-ID: As far as hand tools are concerned, I stay with my Craftsman, Snap-On, MAC etc, but I have discovered that electric tools such as grinders, Sawsalls, sanders and so forth are all made in China (even the name brands) and don't last very long. So my purchasing strategy is to buy the cheapest one knowing that I will have to buy another one when it breaks. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:40 AM To: 'Barr, Scott'; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight No debate from me, I learned my lesson the last time I brought it up! From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Jan 8 11:20:41 2013 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:20:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your help. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Bud R To: Richard Good Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] carb bolt pattern Richard, I measured 2.52 inches on both sets of 1 1/4 carbs I have. Glad to see you doing more Spitfire parts. How bout a LSD next. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Richard Good wrote: I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and have none to measure. Thanks, Richard Good _______________________________________________ From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 8 12:53:50 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:53:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Split seals TR 3-4 In-Reply-To: <007a01cdedbe$6f6f80c0$4e4e8240$@com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <007a01cdedbe$6f6f80c0$4e4e8240$@com> Message-ID: <8CFBBF10310566D-1980-28DC3@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> FOT: After two years of sales of this product designed by Chris Marx, it has become a proven product. I have been passing these components through at my cost to support the project, and I am not at all unhappy I have done this. Chris has turned production of the seals over to another company that has huge buying power. Chris has also worked with this company to produce the split scroll seal to the Viton Seal specifications. This is far preferable over remanufacturing and modifying the old scroll seals. (A large pain in my A**). So the cost of the seal has gone down and the cost of the new scroll has gone up. That all being said, I have the new VITON SEALS, the new SCROLLS, and the CENTERING TOOLS all on the shelf. I will be rethinking the pricing as I sometimes have a couple of thousand in inventory and it's time I made some profit on these. They will still be lower cost than you can get them from Europe or in the U.S. My pleasure. I currently have five scrolls on the shelf, if anyone needs a kit or individual components, please contact me. Best Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:37 am Subject: [Fot] Split seals TR 3-4 Hi guys, how things are going? I would like to thank all people for purchasing my Viton seal solution in the past. I never thought that this type of crank seal might become such a big deal in Triumph cars and racing. Now the number of 250 seals are sold and I think most of them are now implanted to Triumph or Morgan cars. How cool is that? I also would like to thank Joe Alexander for his effort to keep this project going and making excellent suggestions to improve this solution. As usual he stocks the Viton seals for the USA/Canada market. At the moment the Viton seal is asked as never before. The last two weeks I sold 15 kits all about Europe mostly UK. I'm pleased to see that and had so far only two complaints. The first one said, the seal was leaking badly after mounting. A replacement was dry. The other one didn't check his flywheel bolt length and the 4 bolts ripped the Viton seal to bits. Bad luck for that. All 248 other seals seem to work okay as I had no bad feedback so far, only emails with good results. So I'm happy if people have now a leak free race car and fun on the tracks. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Jan 8 13:51:27 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:51:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] ref: contact cline Message-ID: <8CFBBF90EA1CC1A-1124-288CB@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Amici, For those looking to contact Ric Cline with questions about his Camshafts and their availability -- Email at : rcline369 at aol.com Cheers, Bob T From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 8 18:01:45 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:01:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] uncle jack THE TRIUMPH STAG making an appearance at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <8CFBC1131C37D7B-1980-2B5F7@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBC1131C37D7B-1980-2B5F7@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFBC1C076F37B3-1980-2BD72@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Sometime ago, I invited "uncle jack" to come to the 11th Running of the Kastner Cup. For you that are unfamiliar with the story, this Stag is named for our late Friend, Jack Drews. The ISOA did a complete and total restoration of a TRIUMPH STAG for Jon Macartney's 10,000 mile or so trek around North America in a non-profit charity effort for PSTD. Following the TOUR the Stag known as 'uncle jack' was auctioned off and the winning bid was submitted by PHIL ETHIER, of St. Paul, MN. Phil and his wife will be bringing 'uncle jack' to spend the weekend with us and will assume some important duties during the weekend. Some one may decide to call a meeting of the SINGLE MALT SOCIETY, that being one of Jack's favorite adult beverages. (the only requirement for membership is a shot of single malt in your hand for a toast to 'uncle jack'. It's part of what we are about. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 9 08:47:04 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:47:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 Message-ID: Hi, Car: TR6, non-vintage, current Solo car in SCCA. I'm going through my "list" for 2013 and one of the things that has come up again is tire availability... Goodyear has pulled out of Solo, so I can only get cantilever slicks from Hoosier or at least that's where my search has gone so far. A lot of the "fast guys" are running 16 inch rims along with non-cantilever slicks from pretty much every manufacturer. Some of the faster guys are switching to Avon. In fact, Avon pulled in some trophies at Nationals in 2012, so they look "promising". I'll eventually talk to the guys at Roger Krauss about the Avons, but even so, there are a lot more choices in the non-cantilever category slicks out there... So, this is a long way of asking: When I switch to 16 inch rims and non-cantilever tires, I have to get 16 x 10 rims because of the tire choices. I know the the interference of of the upper control arm is less of an issue, but there's limited space on the rear trailing arm - so I have to be careful what I get for wheels as far as offset. Can anyone provide some guidance numbers for proper wheel sizing when switching to 16 rims? I figure I need a -24mm offset maybe more. Any comments? I realize that I'll need custom wheels for this. I need some pointers there. I only know about Kieser at this point. Methinks: "this could get expensive" It also makes me think - road racing might be "cheaper". :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 10:34:48 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:34:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? Message-ID: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this next season. I want to definitely work towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 9 10:47:16 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:47:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 In-Reply-To: <8CFBC9C08BB679E-C24-2F081@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBC9C08BB679E-C24-2F081@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, Joe Alexander wrote: > Perhaps the time has come for you to join us with road racing. Exactly. Or not. FWIW, I got shot down on my SCCA medical clearance, so I guess I need to be "less candid" in my next attempt. ;-) > A modest approach could be very satisfying to you as it has been with > Mr. Tobin. The operative is "modest". I seem to have a problem with that. "Overkill" is more my usual approach. Although I seem to be "maturing" in that respect. > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 9 11:38:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:38:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBCAFB2EEDBBC-C24-30C62@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Lots of good questions. Des Moines Valley Region does not seem to be a bad place to explore for information. Google MIDWEST COUNCIL OF SPORTS CAR CLUBS and review their website. They primarily operate out of BLACKHAWK FARMS RACEWAY. They conduct both autocross and wheel to wheel schools on the road racing track. They have been in existence since the 50s and have it all down pretty well. We are targeting a school in the spring for a combination of things....sorting out reconstruction of the TR4, possible refresher for me, and possibly getting credentials for G'son Brendan. You might join us there. Also look at VSCDA.org for a purely vintage organization. Lot's of information there. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this next season. I want to definitely work towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Jan 9 12:03:19 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:03:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bb01cdee9b$ffb0a280$ff11e780$@aero> Shawn: Speaking only for myself; I feel an SCCA card is a good thing. I have been competing in SCCA Solo with two Spits for several years and recently went through the same sort of questions you are asking. The bottom line is a Spitfire 1500 can be a competitive solo car in F Street Prepared [FSP]. That is a national class that has large entry numbers at most SCCA National Tour, Championship and ProSolo events and you will need a SCCA card to enter. Safety requirements in solo are less stringent; you should plan to install a basic roll bar with harness bar and a good 4 or 5 point harness. SA 2005 or 2010 helmets are needed but a HANS device is not. [not yet?] Fuel cells and fire systems are also not required. As for road racing in SCCA that is a different ball game. A late spit can run in the Grand Touring class as well as the Improved touring without huge modifications like those in the Production class. You will have to check with your local chapter as to what classes they run in your region. You will still require a full cage, fuel cell, racing seat, fire system, HANS....ect. All the information is in the new January 2013 GCR which is available for download off the SCCA club racing page. There is yet another option: SCCA Vintage Racing. Again, you will have to check with your local chapter as to what classes/races, if any, are run in your region. There is a separate SCCA Vintage Racing GCR. My advice would be to mod the car for FSP solo and run as many events as you can while doing some track days/driving schools. Plan to attend Solo Nationals in the fall! Other folks on this list will be much more knowledgeable than I with respect to other vintage clubs/series such as HSR or SVRA. Feel free to contact me off line if you have any questions wrt SCCA Solo in your Spit. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:35 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this next season. I want to definitely work towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Jan 9 12:17:56 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:17:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00bf01cdee9e$0e81e650$2b85b2f0$@aero> I can't comment of the wheels but I have been running the Hoosier A6s on my '62 Spit Solo GP car. Once you get some heat into them they are unbeatable. Some cars seem to work better on a smaller wheel so this might work for you. Robert -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:47 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 Hi, Car: TR6, non-vintage, current Solo car in SCCA. I'm going through my "list" for 2013 and one of the things that has come up again is tire availability... Goodyear has pulled out of Solo, so I can only get cantilever slicks from Hoosier or at least that's where my search has gone so far. A lot of the "fast guys" are running 16 inch rims along with non-cantilever slicks from pretty much every manufacturer. Some of the faster guys are switching to Avon. In fact, Avon pulled in some trophies at Nationals in 2012, so they look "promising". I'll eventually talk to the guys at Roger Krauss about the Avons, but even so, there are a lot more choices in the non-cantilever category slicks out there... So, this is a long way of asking: When I switch to 16 inch rims and non-cantilever tires, I have to get 16 x 10 rims because of the tire choices. I know the the interference of of the upper control arm is less of an issue, but there's limited space on the rear trailing arm - so I have to be careful what I get for wheels as far as offset. Can anyone provide some guidance numbers for proper wheel sizing when switching to 16 rims? I figure I need a -24mm offset maybe more. Any comments? I realize that I'll need custom wheels for this. I need some pointers there. I only know about Kieser at this point. Methinks: "this could get expensive" It also makes me think - road racing might be "cheaper". :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 9 12:33:03 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:33:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <8CFBCAFB2EEDBBC-C24-30C62@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFBCAFB2EEDBBC-C24-30C62@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Shawn, Yes, In my opinion, Midwestern Council, as Joe says, will likely be your best introduction and source for the journey you are embarking on. You would most likely even have a FoT member as your instructor. I'm heavy involved in MCSCC, Racer, race chair, Board member... etc. Great group of people. Provides many types of high speed track events.. autocross and wheel to wheel. >From both a fun and competition standpoint you will really like the options offered for a 1500 spit. We have 2 drivers school weekends..in April and August. This is a Points Championship Series for all classes except vintage. We have a total of about 10 race weekend events at various tracks in the Midwest such as Blackhawk Farms, Road America, Gingerman, Grattan, Milwaukee Mile. A Midwestern Council Full Competition Licence allows you racing privileges just about anywhere. Let me know if you are interested anytime and I'll hook you up with help you will need. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jhd11 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 13:09:58 2013 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:09:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shawn, I have been a SCCA member for a long time and have been Club Racing for a while. Different feel at a SCCA race than vintage but both are fun. Roll Cage info can be found in the GCR and I am pretty sure most if not all vintage groups will accept a SCCA cage. If you are going wheel to wheel racing I would rethink driving my car to the track! I am not saying it is not possible in some classes but there are a number of modifications that would help a race car that are not street legal. Also in wheel to wheel racing, any wheel to wheel racing, stuff happens and things break. Being several hundred miles from home with your only means of transportation "on the hook" would not be a good feeling! Reconsider this strongly! Limiting your participation to autocross is another matter. HANS will be required for wheel to wheel and a 5 point harness. 5 point would also be useful in autocross. You have a wonderful source of knowledge here in this group. Be sure to use it and HAVE FUN! Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:34:48 -0800 > From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? > > I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an > 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my > racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to > dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead > of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage > that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for > things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different > racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans > device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different > faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that > possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being > a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this > next season. I want to definitely work > towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door > racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these > questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the > time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhd11 at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 9 14:41:10 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:41:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points for the cross member. He is exactly right. Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master welder/fabricator. We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is happening with frame. There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free ride to medical, as well. Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a close inspection. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Jan 9 17:07:27 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:07:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 1:41:51 PM Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE FOT: I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points for the cross member. He is exactly right. Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master welder/fabricator. We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is happening with frame. There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free ride to medical, as well. Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a close inspection. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 17:52:17 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (my71spit13) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:52:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? Message-ID: Thank you all for the advice and I appreciate the heads up on where to look for info I need. This year will be strictly an autocross year. I will use it to collect as much info as possible and advance my car with each race towards a club racer. As soon as that time comes, the car will no longer be street legal so it can be a racer for real. I have a 71 Spitfire road car that I want to keep my baby, so this will be the year to really mess with things like putting a 1300 in the 80 racer from a MK3 Spitfire and different options for suspension, camber compensators (which I know nothing about yet) and exhaust options, etc. I can't wait! I am so excited to move forward on this, because since I was a kid, I have wanted to race, and specifically a British car. That's what it's all about, chasing our childhood, huh? Thanks again, everyone. I absolutely love this group!...Shawn Shawn Frank wrote: >I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an >80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my >racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to >dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead >of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage >that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for >things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different >racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans >device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different >faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that >possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being >a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this >next season. I want to definitely work > towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door >racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these >questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the >time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/my71spit13 at yahoo.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu Jan 10 02:28:42 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:28:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <57D55F0D-C668-4E1B-A688-AA2B05CD8D31@virgin.net> Joe It's worth taking a look at the sort of modifications that we do to the TR4 chassis for rallying. Clearly the sump guards and belly plates etc which are there to protect vital things from flying rocks and damage from heavy landings and two wheel adventure are not required, however the reinforcement work is all done to preserve the integrity of the frame and proven by my gentle driving. In terms of the front suspension and towers; even the Works Rally TR4s which were nowhere as tough as say my TR4 Beastie had a number of filleted plates added on the joints and corners, all sides filled in on anything that looked like a box, the main cross member plated up with another 3mm of steel and the welded joints all reinforced using triangular fillets. You should all be doing this as the majority of cracking and failures are due to fatigue, not from impact loadings. Bear in mind that with one exception you are adding very small segments of 2mm thick steel, so weight gain is a few months of not eating at macDonalds. If anyone wants I have a bare TR4 chassis on the ramp that is in be process of being repaired and taken from 1960's Works spec to 2013 Tony spec right now, so can give you chapter and verse with pictures. Best regards and Happy New Year to you all. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 9 Jan 2013, at 21:41, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are > reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points > for the cross member. He is exactly right. > > Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. > > This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something > amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to > moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master > welder/fabricator. > > We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but > finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for > the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. > > All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was > showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. > > Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is > happening with frame. > > There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed > something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. > Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free > ride to medical, as well. > > Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a > close inspection. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 10 04:40:00 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:40:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? Cheers Chris From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Jan 10 04:47:10 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:47:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> Good question. The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous rusty project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire need of attention. I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas Joe mentioned. Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close inspections between race weekends. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu Jan 10 05:31:12 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:31:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> Message-ID: <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> Chris I'd be very surprised if you have no fatigue cracking on a standard chassis after 50 years - you must have prepared it very well, but I'm sure a soft suspension assists greatly. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:40, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 10 05:37:34 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:37:34 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> Message-ID: <000601cdef2f$45e37b90$d1aa72b0$@com> To say the truth - I've never done anything to the frame since I own the car (22 years now). I do run stock leave springs at rear and at front coil springs from the MGB GT 1800. I check the frame every season and found nothing so far. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: TR4 Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2013 13:31 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Chris I'd be very surprised if you have no fatigue cracking on a standard chassis after 50 years - you must have prepared it very well, but I'm sure a soft suspension assists greatly. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:40, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Jan 10 06:37:31 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:37:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] COLLECTION OF MG'S AND TRIUMPH PROJECT CARS Message-ID: While searching parts for a MGB, came aross this. While I'm at it..WTD ! left Front fender for a 68-69 MGB plus I need the Inner fender/stucture (LF) . I would consider a Ft Clip. http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/3533971276.html CheersTony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 10 07:50:52 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:50:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, sherry robyn wrote: > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? Speaking from personal experience - YES!!! I had a shock tower fail during practice for a national tour event. The metal split near the top of the box that forms the mount for the upper crossmember and the upper fulcrum pin mount peeled back a lot. I was lucky that the result was nothing more than a camber gain of 10 or 15 degrees!!! Also, watch where the square tube brace that angles down to the frame butts. That was cracked on both sides, maybe because of the other failure, but coincident to it. And I was doing frame checks fairly often. Now I do them after every event. I'm with Joe on this - RATCO is a good alternative!!! regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 10 07:58:43 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:58:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBD5A1E0B037E-1C34-1670@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> I have been to RATCO and worked with Tony Vigliotti on a couple projects.....1ST CLASS Square tube that trails down to frame: We did a lateral square tube to support this weldment area and redid....20 yrs ago. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Lang To: sherry robyn Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, sherry robyn wrote: > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? Speaking from personal experience - YES!!! I had a shock tower fail during practice for a national tour event. The metal split near the top of the box that forms the mount for the upper crossmember and the upper fulcrum pin mount peeled back a lot. I was lucky that the result was nothing more than a camber gain of 10 or 15 degrees!!! Also, watch where the square tube brace that angles down to the frame butts. That was cracked on both sides, maybe because of the other failure, but coincident to it. And I was doing frame checks fairly often. Now I do them after every event. I'm with Joe on this - RATCO is a good alternative!!! regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 10 08:01:28 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:01:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, my71spit13 wrote: [stuff deleted] > each race towards a club racer. As soon as that time comes, the car will > no longer be street legal so it can be a racer for real. I have a 71 This is just a point of information... I know it sounds trite, but autocrossers are "real racers" too. Granted autocross is different, but it's no less intense and there equal (for the most part) preparation. Actually, autocross is even more of a mental sport than road racing because you need to stay so focused. It's also good preparation for road racing because you learn the mental aspects as well as the car control - that's why some autocrossers transistion to road racers so well. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 08:04:59 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com>, <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com>, <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: It is also not uncommon to find the welds cracked on the brackets that the steering rack attaches to on the TR6. Marty > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:50:52 -0500 > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, sherry robyn wrote: > > > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > > Speaking from personal experience - YES!!! > > I had a shock tower fail during practice for a national tour event. The > metal split near the top of the box that forms the mount for the > upper crossmember and the upper fulcrum pin mount peeled back a lot. I was > lucky that the result was nothing more than a camber gain of 10 or 15 > degrees!!! > > Also, watch where the square tube brace that angles down to the frame > butts. That was cracked on both sides, maybe because of the other failure, > but coincident to it. And I was doing frame checks fairly often. Now I do > them after every event. > > I'm with Joe on this - RATCO is a good alternative!!! > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 10 08:24:24 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:24:24 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> Message-ID: <001a01cdef46$93373370$b9a59a50$@com> Another idea...maybe I'm too gentle with my car? ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: TR4 Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2013 13:31 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Chris I'd be very surprised if you have no fatigue cracking on a standard chassis after 50 years - you must have prepared it very well, but I'm sure a soft suspension assists greatly. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:40, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 08:33:48 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:33:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1357832028.71302.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I meant no disrespect to autocrossers. Anyone who jumps into a car, mashes the pedal to the floor, and feels in control while sliding the car where they want is a "true racer". I absolutely fell in love with autocrossing only being out a couple times. It has sparked something in me that I want to not only chase, but overtake. I was meaning "real racing" being with a race specific car. The autocrossing still allows me to build on the car, try things out, and do it right, while honing skills needed that I don't have but am willing to learn. I am not a guy who thinks their way is the best. I am literally soaking it all in. Between this group of collaborated knowledge and skill, to the forums about my car, I have been learning a lot and am itching to get out there to see what I've learned so far. I am excited about being an auto crosser...Shawn ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: my71spit13 Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, my71spit13 wrote: [stuff deleted] > each race towards a club racer. As soon as that time comes, the car will no longer be street legal so it can be a racer for real. I have a 71 This is just a point of information... I know it sounds trite, but autocrossers are "real racers" too. Granted autocross is different, but it's no less intense and there equal (for the most part) preparation. Actually, autocross is even more of a mental sport than road racing because you need to stay so focused. It's also good preparation for road racing because you learn the mental aspects as well as the car control - that's why some autocrossers transistion to road racers so well. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Jan 10 08:45:54 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:45:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Message-ID: <1106180180-1357832755-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-975607304-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Several years ago... When it came time to rebuild my car. I picked it up with a fork lift and power sprayed the bottom. Exposing cracks in the chassis frame. It was "DNR" I.e. Do Not Race ever. I dissasembled with plasma cutter, oxy acetaline, etc. @ the same time ordering a new chassis from RATCO. The chassis arrived. It was not perfect (very early product) but after some minor mods that Chuck Gee helped with we were in "buisiness". The only thing holding my car together w original chassis was the vintage 1967 roll bar . Btw the .120" wall thickness and 1.75 OD. Was Heavy and was used to stiffen the chassis. The RATCO did not require it. It's not cheap but an amazing. R.O.I. (Return on investment...). M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 09:16:43 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:16:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> Message-ID: In my spare time, I am building a TR4 daily driver. I got a street car frame from another FOT member. It looked good and is in very good shape. When I had it media blasted, I found cracks on the frame around lower wishbone mounting brackets, cross member, and near the motor mounts. Keep in mind that this is a stock TR4 frame not subjected to the stresses of racing. Had I not had it media blasted, I would never have seen these. Now it is primed and painted with Eastwood Chassis Black. The build begins.. Just places for you to look in your spare time... Ty #413 TR4 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 10, 2013, at 4:40 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 10:01:51 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <57D55F0D-C668-4E1B-A688-AA2B05CD8D31@virgin.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <57D55F0D-C668-4E1B-A688-AA2B05CD8D31@virgin.net> Message-ID: <692518E6-4C1B-4E3D-A6B5-8EB658352D61@comcast.net> Since we're talking chassis I'll offer up for sale an IRS TR4A bare frame that I have. Looks like I'm getting out of the TR4A business as I've already sold the TR4A wreck I had and I'm in the process of trading the Project (below) for an RV to use for pulling the Spit to vintage races this year and MAYBE to Wisconsin in September. Pics are available. The frame is solid (Jim Gray can testify) but I haven't really checked it for any of the cracks being talked about so I can't guarantee that it doesn't have any. Make me an offer. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 10, 2013, at 2:28 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > Joe > > It's worth taking a look at the sort of modifications that we do to > the TR4 > chassis for rallying. > > Clearly the sump guards and belly plates etc which are there to > protect vital > things from flying rocks and damage from heavy landings and two wheel > adventure are not required, however the reinforcement work is all > done to > preserve the integrity of the frame and proven by my gentle driving. > > In terms of the front suspension and towers; even the Works Rally > TR4s which > were nowhere as tough as say my TR4 Beastie had a number of filleted > plates > added on the joints and corners, all sides filled in on anything > that looked > like a box, the main cross member plated up with another 3mm of > steel and the > welded joints all reinforced using triangular fillets. You should > all be doing > this as the majority of cracking and failures are due to fatigue, > not from > impact loadings. > > Bear in mind that with one exception you are adding very small > segments of 2mm > thick steel, so weight gain is a few months of not eating at > macDonalds. > > If anyone wants I have a bare TR4 chassis on the ramp that is in be > process of > being repaired and taken from 1960's Works spec to 2013 Tony spec > right now, > so can give you chapter and verse with pictures. > > Best regards and Happy New Year to you all. > > Tony > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 9 Jan 2013, at 21:41, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> FOT: >> >> I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing >> that we are >> reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and >> anchor points >> for the cross member. He is exactly right. >> >> Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention >> to it. >> >> This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected > something >> amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. >> That led to >> moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master >> welder/fabricator. >> >> We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, >> but >> finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor >> points > for >> the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed >> and torn. >> >> All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x- >> member > was >> showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. >> >> Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better >> see what > is >> happening with frame. >> >> There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We > noticed >> something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in >> 2012. >> Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. >> Perhaps a > free >> ride to medical, as well. >> >> Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good >> time to do > a >> close inspection. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 10:15:01 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <598710959.2059643.1357838101519.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I had to repair lower front suspension point cracks on my TR3 frame that were not evident until I had it media blasted and started grinding on it, read started grinding on it. The shock tower diagonals looked good too, until blasting revealed pin holes on the lower end. A center punch went through the rusty metal with ease. These frames rust from the inside out. Grinding particles from the cutting of the diagonal gathered around the cracks in the frame and only then did they became obvious. Had I not seen the pin holes, the frame would have been painted and reassembled. Instead, I went through an exhaustive process of strengthening and gusseting many areas of importance. I even welded extra tubing inside the body outriggers creating more substantial roll cage mounts. My car has been out of service since 1975, so that's a mere 15 years of use before this type of frame failure occurred and my car has only lived in California. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 1:41:10 PM Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE FOT: I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points for the cross member. He is exactly right. Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master welder/fabricator. We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is happening with frame. There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free ride to medical, as well. Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a close inspection. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 10 10:18:34 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:18:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Message-ID: <2e449.1aee7319.3e2051e9@cs.com> we would like to see you come regardless of whether you race or not. there are a lot of interesting people coming that are not racing...you would be one of them. > Since we're talking chassis I'll offer up for sale an IRS TR4A bare frame > that I have. Looks like I'm getting out of the TR4A business as I've > already sold the TR4A wreck I had and I'm in the process of trading the Project > (below) for an RV to use for pulling the Spit to vintage races this year > and MAYBE to Wisconsin in September. From jmwagner at greenheart.com Thu Jan 10 10:36:15 2013 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:36:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1323A6B2-25FA-43EF-B545-82CCEE401430@greenheart.com> I recall in the late 80's a friend of mine had a problem with his street TR6 and I offered to slide under the car and see if I could figure out what was wrong... It was dark under there, but with a small dim work light, I quickly figured out that one of the long studs that the differential hangs from had snapped loose from the frame... ...but the horror came as I panned the little light around and looked at his frame... It was much like a submersible cam panning by an old Civil War Iron clad... peering through the big gaping holes in the wreck, your imagination takes over and you wonder if you're going to see the skeletons of the sailors that went down with the ship... I wasn't quite sure why his car hadn't simply collapsed already.... This was in California, but he had shipped his car from New Jersey.... --Justin On Jan 10, 2013, at 3:47 AM, wrote: > Good question. > > The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than > the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous rusty > project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and > 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, > 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come > across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire > need of attention. > > I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder > and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more > robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess > that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas > Joe mentioned. > > Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's > racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You > need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with > something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close > inspections between race weekends. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sherry robyn" > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > >> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Jan 10 11:26:54 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:26:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> I don't think anyone mentioned that the IRS cars are notorious for weakness in the mounts for the differential and the brackets up front where the lower A arms mount. These usually fail without the added stresses of racing. I did a frame off restoration of my TR250 last year. It has resided in Oklahoma (a relatively dry state) and been garaged for all but its first 6 years. It body was relatively rust free as Triumphs go (solid floors, etc). After repairing and reinforcing the usual problem areas, I noticed a very small pinhole on the bottom near the center (called the T-shirt) area. The thin metal was only a few square inches and may have been partially because it had scraped bottom there at some point. Since these frames rust from the inside, I wonder how many are out there with thin metal, which has not yet rusted all the way through? It seems that a visual inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing device which could be used to check it over. Larry On 1/10/2013 5:47 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Good question. > > The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than > the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous ru > project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and > 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, > 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come > across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire > need of attention. > > I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder > and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more > robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess > that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas > Joe mentioned. > A > Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's > racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You > need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with > something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close > inspections between race weekends. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sherry robyn" > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > >> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From gaf3 at charter.net Thu Jan 10 11:41:14 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:41:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <50EF0B4A.7090508@charter.net> I have fixed a number of these IRS frames and reinforced and welded them back together. For the most part you can still get the cruciform plates and the outriggers pieces for the rear control arms. I always put a gusset top and bottom in that area. The biggest problem I have had of late has been cars with the tube shock conversions or "Break Me Here Brackets". They fracture and break off the shock/rear diff cross member. Replacement cross members are very hard to locate. I developed a brace to over come that and have installed it on many club members cars. My sonic test for a rusty frame is a good body shop pick hammer or similar. Midwest and Eastern frames disintegrate at the sight of one of those. Cut out the rusty area and replace with suitable thickness flat sheet ( I use .085" sheet as original). Glenn On 1/10/2013 1:26 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I don't think anyone mentioned that the IRS cars are notorious for > weakness in the mounts for the differential and the brackets up front > where the lower A arms mount. These usually fail without the added > stresses of racing. I did a frame off restoration of my TR250 last > year. It has resided in Oklahoma (a relatively dry state) and been > garaged for all but its first 6 years. It body was relatively rust > free as Triumphs go (solid floors, etc). After repairing and > reinforcing the usual problem areas, I noticed a very small pinhole > on the bottom near the center (called the T-shirt) area. The thin > metal was only a few square inches and may have been partially because > it had scraped bottom there at some point. Since these frames rust > from the inside, I wonder how many are out there with thin metal, > which has not yet rusted all the way through? It seems that a visual > inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing > device which could be used to check it over. > Larry From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Thu Jan 10 12:15:23 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:15:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1357845323.49111.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tapping with a hammer would probably tell you a whole lot. Jim ________________________________ From: Larry Young To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, January 10, 2013 10:27:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE I don't think anyone mentioned that the IRS cars are notorious for weakness in the mounts for the differential and the brackets up front where the lower A arms mount. These usually fail without the added stresses of racing. I did a frame off restoration of my TR250 last year. It has resided in Oklahoma (a relatively dry state) and been garaged for all but its first 6 years. It body was relatively rust free as Triumphs go (solid floors, etc). After repairing and reinforcing the usual problem areas, I noticed a very small pinhole on the bottom near the center (called the T-shirt) area. The thin metal was only a few square inches and may have been partially because it had scraped bottom there at some point. Since these frames rust from the inside, I wonder how many are out there with thin metal, which has not yet rusted all the way through? It seems that a visual inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing device which could be used to check it over. Larry On 1/10/2013 5:47 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Good question. > > The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than > the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous ru > project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and > 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, > 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come > across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire > need of attention. > > I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder > and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more > robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess > that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas > Joe mentioned. > A > Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's > racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You > need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with > something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close > inspections between race weekends. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sherry robyn" > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > >> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 12:35:32 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:35:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <50EF1804.2080403@comcast.net> Ultrasonic Thickness testers are available. I've used one for work on several occasions. A quick internet search didn't find anything under $1000. Unfortunately, Harbor Freight hasn't come up with a cheapo version yet. On 1/10/2013 10:26 AM, Larry Young wrote: It seems that a visual inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing device which could be used to check it over. From donmarshall at nefcom.net Thu Jan 10 15:24:37 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:24:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale Message-ID: A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on sale at Autozone for half price and was kind enough to post it to the FOT list. I loaded up at the time but am just about out and would dearly love to stock up again. I suspect that there are others who would like to do the same. I have made it a practice to check the oil shelves any time I'm in any auto parts store just in case there's a sale going on, but have yet to find it again. If anyone happens to see such a sale, please make sure to let us all know. Oil isn't the most expensive racing part out there but every little bit helps. Thanks, Don From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 15:44:34 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:44:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1357857874.2317.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I use VR1 also, and will let you all know if there is a sale going on at any of the national chains I go to...Shawn Frank ________________________________ From: Don Marshall To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:24 PM Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on sale at Autozone for half price and was kind enough to post it to the FOT list. I loaded up at the time but am just about out and would dearly love to stock up again. I suspect that there are others who would like to do the same. I have made it a practice to check the oil shelves any time I'm in any auto parts store just in case there's a sale going on, but have yet to find it again. If anyone happens to see such a sale, please make sure to let us all know. Oil isn't the most expensive racing part out there but every little bit helps. Thanks, Don _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/my71spit13 at yahoo.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 10 16:06:50 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:06:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130110230651.Y9XN2.191089.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Thanks for reminding me! O'Reillys has (or had) VR1 synthetic on sale for $4.99 in the store, even though it doesn't appear for that price in any of their online ads. My local store was out when I was in there last week, but they said they should get more this week and the sale price was good until the 28th. I'm going to run over and stock up (if they have any). YMMV Randall ---- Don Marshall wrote: > A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on > sale at Autozone for half price From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 17:48:18 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Track Day Foolishness Message-ID: <1767942974.2307370.1357865298989.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Buckle up, turn up the sound and shake your head a this crashfest: Gary www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=IfHJCv_S6iI&NR=1 From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 18:32:41 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:32:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF0B4A.7090508@charter.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> <50EF0B4A.7090508@charter.net> Message-ID: I had exactly that happen to my TR6 on the way back from VTR2007 at Valley Forge. Ripped a piece right out of the cross member. Lucky to make it home. I welded the piece back and went back to my old lever arm Armstrongs rebuilt by Apple Hyd. to heavy duty. I think the mistake I made was not adjusting the bump stops so they would engage before the shock reached its limit. Once that happens it looks for the weak spot which seems to be that cross member. If I go back to the tube shocks I'll weld a 1 inch piece of square stock up in the cross member so that it becomes four sided instead of the stock three. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 10, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > The biggest problem I have had of late has been cars with the tube > shock conversions or "Break Me Here Brackets". > They fracture and break off the shock/rear diff cross member. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jan 11 01:22:53 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:22:53 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Track Day Foolishness In-Reply-To: <1767942974.2307370.1357865298989.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1767942974.2307370.1357865298989.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601cdefd4$db345e80$919d1b80$@com> Yep, the Nordschleife is not an easy playground. How it should be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tnLC9F5UQo :-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von vintage.racer at comcast.net Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2013 01:48 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Track Day Foolishness Buckle up, turn up the sound and shake your head a this crashfest: Gary www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=IfHJCv_S6iI&NR=1 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jan 11 05:06:28 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:06:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow open end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I ground it down. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:58 AM, "Doug Mitchell" wrote: > I have a set of socket wrenches that I bought at Penney's over 40 years ago. > I bought them because they > were about 10-15% less than the Craftsman brand. They had the same lifetime > guarantee as Sears. Unfortunately, > they stopped selling tools in the early '80s. Still work great, other than > the 7/16 that some got lost under the > carpet of the Spit for about 20 years. A Snap-On found on the race track > replaced that. > > As for Harbor Freight and other el cheapo tools, I will buy them as a one > time deal for limited jobs. But when they > need replacing, I try to buy quality. I bought a cheap tap and die set years > ago. As the original wear out, they get > replaced with good stuff. > > Doug > > -- > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:54 AM > To: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: >> Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US >> General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. > After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US > followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be > comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. > > Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand > name "Stradivarius" . > > My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed > to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I > would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate > I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I > could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store > and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would > look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me > accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know > how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice > had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road > because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped > work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on > it. > > At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a > tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. > My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the > brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their > name. > > TeriAnn > If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have > learned how to turn a wrench. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 13:35:52 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:35:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 Red #6 On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow open > end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I > ground it down. > > Sent from my iPhone From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 14:14:42 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:14:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Quality Control Issue Message-ID: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> FYI I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" overbored. While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag with #1 piston installed. With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and didn't see any issues. Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear just below the oil ring on the other side. After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE pistons not County on the way. Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the same batch at the same time before it was caught. These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with the babbit and copper. I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. Just thought I would provide a heads up. Glenn From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jan 11 14:40:28 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:40:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> Message-ID: <005e01cdf044$4639ae00$d2ad0a00$@rr.com> Most of the County piston products are NOW made in .......yep you guessed it; CHINA! They're cheap but you better check every possible dimension on them. Also inspect the casting quality for fractures. The days of quality parts are long gone. Many are not willing to pay for quality so there's no demand for good parts, just cheap prices. Sad but I too remember being able to open bearings up and also Hepolite A/E piston boxes and they were superior to what is offered today. The new motto is, "You get what you pay for..........and then only if you're lucky!" Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:15 PM To: Friends of triumph; 6pack at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Quality Control Issue FYI I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" overbored. While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag with #1 piston installed. With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and didn't see any issues. Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear just below the oil ring on the other side. After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE pistons not County on the way. Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the same batch at the same time before it was caught. These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with the babbit and copper. I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. Just thought I would provide a heads up. Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Jan 11 14:48:04 2013 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:48:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh Message-ID: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Jan 11 14:53:43 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:53:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh In-Reply-To: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: No idea if the story is true or not, but it sure is funny! John On Fri, January 11, 2013 4:48 pm, Paul MacDonald wrote: > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 15:00:19 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:00:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Taiwan Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> Message-ID: <50F08B73.1040504@charter.net> Correction County Pistons are made in Taiwan. On 1/11/2013 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > FYI > I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" > overbored. > While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything > checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. > With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag with #1 > piston installed. > With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and > didn't see any issues. > Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore and > had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear just > below the oil ring on the other side. > After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring > grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. > The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of the > surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. > We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE > pistons not County on the way. > > Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the former > Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. > There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the > same batch at the same time before it was caught. > > These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). > I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. > > I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their Tri-Metal > Main Bearings (Israel). > The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with the > babbit and copper. > > I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. > Just thought I would provide a heads up. > > Glenn From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 15:01:55 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:01:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> Message-ID: <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> Yes the County Rockers are made in India. They usually have better quality control than most. On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > Another horror story: > > A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that > most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" > branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few > days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms > seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm > cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker > arms were getting lubricated. > It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had > rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill > deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. > > Doug > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco > wrote: > > FYI > I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" > overbored. > While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything > checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. > With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag > with #1 piston installed. > With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and > didn't see any issues. > Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore > and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear > just below the oil ring on the other side. > After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring > grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. > The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of > the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. > We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE > pistons not County on the way. > > Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the > former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. > There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the > same batch at the same time before it was caught. > > These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). > I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. > > I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their > Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). > The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with > the babbit and copper. > > I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. > Just thought I would provide a heads up. > > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 11 15:12:41 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:12:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4E2AF2EBF250466CBD8BD79F1019D0AC@Bud> HYSTERICAL!\ Thanks RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "Fot" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 1:48 PM Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From boydwagner3 at aol.com Fri Jan 11 15:19:14 2013 From: boydwagner3 at aol.com (Body Wagner) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:19:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> Message-ID: <690F0574-316A-4FFD-9253-09734B72B958@aol.com> Where are AE pistons made? Boyd C Wagner Sent from my iPad On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Yes the County Rockers are made in India. > They usually have better quality control than most. > > On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >> Another horror story: >> >> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that >> most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few >> days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms >> seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm >> cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker >> arms were getting lubricated. >> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill >> deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco > > wrote: >> >> FYI >> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >> overbored. >> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >> with #1 piston installed. >> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >> didn't see any issues. >> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >> just below the oil ring on the other side. >> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >> pistons not County on the way. >> >> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >> >> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >> >> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >> the babbit and copper. >> >> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >> >> Glenn >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Spitfires at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/boydwagner3 at aol.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jan 11 15:14:19 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:14:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh In-Reply-To: References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Many moons ago I was at a cocktail party in Belfast at the home of some friends of my parents. Patricia said 'Oh Bob, you are a car guy, you should meet Collin' and introduced me to a nice guy and we talked road racing and rallye for an hour or so. He said I really should give rallye a try and invited me to come out the next Irish Rallye. I wasn't going to be in country at the time, but said I thought it sounded grand and returned the invite to come out and play at Lime Rock some time. After he left I found out it was Collin McRea.... One of my class mates when I was in N. Ireland had an annoying little brother a few grades younger than us, in the same class as my sister. Never knew Eddie Irvine would go on to race in F1. :) On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:53 PM, R. John Lye wrote: > No idea if the story is true or not, but it sure > is funny! > > John > > > On Fri, January 11, 2013 4:48 pm, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 15:41:25 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:41:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <690F0574-316A-4FFD-9253-09734B72B958@aol.com> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> <690F0574-316A-4FFD-9253-09734B72B958@aol.com> Message-ID: <50F09515.30005@charter.net> The new defective TR6 set I just installed are made in Taiwan. I just looked in my collection of NOS ones and I have 4 new .020" Spit County Pistons and those appear to be made in the UK but they are likely 10-15 yrs old or better. Glenn On 1/11/2013 5:19 PM, Body Wagner wrote: > Where are AE pistons made? > > Boyd C Wagner > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > >> Yes the County Rockers are made in India. >> They usually have better quality control than most. >> >> On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >>> Another horror story: >>> >>> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that >>> most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >>> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few >>> days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms >>> seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm >>> cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker >>> arms were getting lubricated. >>> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >>> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill >>> deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco >> > wrote: >>> >>> FYI >>> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >>> overbored. >>> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >>> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >>> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >>> with #1 piston installed. >>> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >>> didn't see any issues. >>> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >>> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >>> just below the oil ring on the other side. >>> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >>> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >>> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >>> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >>> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >>> pistons not County on the way. >>> >>> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >>> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >>> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >>> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >>> >>> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >>> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >>> >>> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >>> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >>> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >>> the babbit and copper. >>> >>> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >>> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >>> >>> Glenn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Spitfires at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/boydwagner3 at aol.com From boydwagner3 at aol.com Fri Jan 11 15:54:53 2013 From: boydwagner3 at aol.com (Body Wagner) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:54:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] race seats Message-ID: <5159678D-89A6-452D-A64A-F0F32EBC285D@aol.com> I am building a TR6 for auto crossing and hill climbing. I am searching for a seat that will be safe for this yet be comfortable as a road seat. Boyd Wagner From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jan 11 16:14:16 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:14:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] race seats In-Reply-To: <5159678D-89A6-452D-A64A-F0F32EBC285D@aol.com> References: <5159678D-89A6-452D-A64A-F0F32EBC285D@aol.com> Message-ID: Butler......Charlotte/Concord.....will custom fit your seat & the price is same as the Kirkley seats you see on web. But don't know where you are. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Body Wagner wrote: > I am building a TR6 for auto crossing and hill climbing. I am searching for a > seat that will be safe for this yet be comfortable as a road seat. > > Boyd Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Fri Jan 11 16:14:45 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:14:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F09515.30005@charter.net> Message-ID: Funny that I received about an hour ago a new set of AE .020 pistons that I had ordered. They are made by NURAL in Poland which is a subsidiary of Federal Mogul. They look very nice in quality and are fitted with Goetze rings which look ok but they have the one piece oil control ring which I have never been crazy about. I prefer the Grant type 3 piece oil ring but these are easier to install! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:41 PM To: Body Wagner Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; Doug Braun; 6pack at autox.team.net; Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue The new defective TR6 set I just installed are made in Taiwan. I just looked in my collection of NOS ones and I have 4 new .020" Spit County Pistons and those appear to be made in the UK but they are likely 10-15 yrs old or better. Glenn On 1/11/2013 5:19 PM, Body Wagner wrote: > Where are AE pistons made? > > Boyd C Wagner > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > >> Yes the County Rockers are made in India. >> They usually have better quality control than most. >> >> On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >>> Another horror story: >>> >>> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part >>> that most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >>> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a >>> few days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms seemed >>> rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm cover >>> off, I could see that only the rear four rocker arms were getting >>> lubricated. >>> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >>> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill deep >>> enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco >> > wrote: >>> >>> FYI >>> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >>> overbored. >>> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >>> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >>> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >>> with #1 piston installed. >>> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >>> didn't see any issues. >>> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >>> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >>> just below the oil ring on the other side. >>> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >>> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >>> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >>> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >>> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >>> pistons not County on the way. >>> >>> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >>> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >>> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >>> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >>> >>> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >>> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >>> >>> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >>> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >>> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >>> the babbit and copper. >>> >>> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >>> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >>> >>> Glenn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Spitfires at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/boydwagner3 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 11 16:17:59 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:17:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In-Reply-To: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> FOT: A lot of time has been spent this week in discussion with VSCDA. I have a much better idea of we are going to fit into this great event. We also discussed some items of mutual benefit....a WIN/WIN is always a good thing. I plan to send a summary of our activities to WEBMASTER Henry Frye to be published in the GASKETWORKS supported website. fot-racing.com We are discussing our own touring session, package deals for the weekend, TR car show at the Welcome Dinner, Old Course re-enactment, sharing a hospitality tent.......the list goes on. I sent the event CHAIRPERSON Mike Korneli (Deb does a lot of the work, tho) John Clancy's "CALIFORNIA AIR", so they can get acquainted with Kas...and so they can see a KASTNER CUP in action at ROAD ATLANTA. Speaking of John Clancy triumphdvd.co.uk , we have asked John and his wife to join us at KCUP 2013. There's more, but it's in the planning stages. Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and Marty Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. We have 21 'SPONSORS' to support the KCUP. One is anonymous, and one has donated twice. I need to catch the names up and hope to display at the KCUP. COMMERCIAL entities are welcome, too, but we have little to offer them if they are looking for a RETURN ON INVESTMENT. (Well, I guess we buy stuff from them.) More later, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri Jan 11 16:47:49 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:47:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh In-Reply-To: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: That's great. Thanks. Kg Sent from my iPad On Jan 11, 2013, at 3:48 PM, "Paul MacDonald" wrote: > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Jan 11 17:48:45 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:48:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <2052E7DE3752438C91892F9FA7247B17@hpd530> Hi All, I have a couple sets of Whitworth wrenches I'm not needing. If you have an interest give me a shout. I think some are King Dick brand. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once >> I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From igofaster at att.net Fri Jan 11 18:09:23 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:09:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're curious... every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... no I'm not Uncle Joe Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR ________________________________ From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 Red #6 On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow open > end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I > ground it down. > > Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 11 18:13:54 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:13:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com><000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26C4311933C3441AB405246FFC7EA646@Bud> speaking of deals...for those of you in Central and Northern Ca...Sonoma Raceway has confirmed their swap meet on Sat, Feb 2nd...25.00 per space...no other details yet RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "Duncan Charlton" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 5:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if > you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the > board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is > www.unclejoespawn.com > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once >> I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 18:19:27 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:19:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In-Reply-To: <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> Speaking of the FOT website. Why is it so outdated? On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > A lot of time has been spent this week in discussion with VSCDA. I have a much > better idea of we are going to fit into this great event. We also discussed > some items of mutual benefit....a WIN/WIN is always a good thing. > > I plan to send a summary of our activities to WEBMASTER Henry Frye to be > published in the GASKETWORKS supported website. fot-racing.com > > We are discussing our own touring session, package deals for the weekend, TR > car show at the Welcome Dinner, Old Course re-enactment, sharing a hospitality > tent.......the list goes on. > > I sent the event CHAIRPERSON Mike Korneli (Deb does a lot of the work, tho) > John Clancy's "CALIFORNIA AIR", so they can get acquainted with Kas...and so > they can see a KASTNER CUP in action at ROAD ATLANTA. > > Speaking of John Clancy triumphdvd.co.uk , we have asked John and his wife > to join us at KCUP 2013. There's more, but it's in the planning stages. > > Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and Marty > Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for > distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. > > We have 21 'SPONSORS' to support the KCUP. One is anonymous, and one has > donated twice. I need to catch the names up and hope to display at the KCUP. > COMMERCIAL entities are welcome, too, but we have little to offer them if they > are looking for a RETURN ON INVESTMENT. (Well, I guess we buy stuff from > them.) > > More later, > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jan 11 18:24:26 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:24:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gee whiz, Bobby, having collected tools since my "hot rod" days in the late 40's & 50's, I couldn't possibly tell you all the brands. For sure Sears was a big source, but I'm sure none of them had "dick" in the name Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 11 18:29:20 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:29:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50F0BC70.8060401@bradakis.com> Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > My favorite pawn shop score was getting a set of Snap-On wobble extensions for some ridiculously low price. I've been using them for decades, still look as good as new. mjb. From igofaster at att.net Fri Jan 11 18:31:19 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:31:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1357954279.9027.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> did I miss something? ________________________________ From: John Hasty To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Duncan Charlton ; FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 7:24:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pawn Shopping Gee whiz, Bobby, having collected tools since my "hot rod" days in the late 40's & 50's, I couldn't possibly tell you all the brands. For sure Sears was a big source, but I'm sure none of them had "dick" in the name Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com > > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 11 18:38:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:38:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In-Reply-To: <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <8CFBE7C9BEC68D3-1964-DF6B@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> Because it is another one of volunteer positions....but we are working on getting KCUP 2013 info together now and henry will post. Jason has volunteered to help. Volunteers are good. they work cheap. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Delap To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings Speaking of the FOT website. Why is it so outdated? On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > A lot of time has been spent this week in discussion with VSCDA. I have a much > better idea of we are going to fit into this great event. We also discussed > some items of mutual benefit....a WIN/WIN is always a good thing. > > I plan to send a summary of our activities to WEBMASTER Henry Frye to be > published in the GASKETWORKS supported website. fot-racing.com > > We are discussing our own touring session, package deals for the weekend, TR > car show at the Welcome Dinner, Old Course re-enactment, sharing a hospitality > tent.......the list goes on. > > I sent the event CHAIRPERSON Mike Korneli (Deb does a lot of the work, tho) > John Clancy's "CALIFORNIA AIR", so they can get acquainted with Kas...and so > they can see a KASTNER CUP in action at ROAD ATLANTA. > > Speaking of John Clancy triumphdvd.co.uk , we have asked John and his wife > to join us at KCUP 2013. There's more, but it's in the planning stages. > > Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and Marty > Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for > distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. > > We have 21 'SPONSORS' to support the KCUP. One is anonymous, and one has > donated twice. I need to catch the names up and hope to display at the KCUP. > COMMERCIAL entities are welcome, too, but we have little to offer them if they > are looking for a RETURN ON INVESTMENT. (Well, I guess we buy stuff from > them.) > > More later, > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 11 18:40:29 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:40:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: <1357954279.9027.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1357954279.9027.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBE7CEFEA707C-1964-DF8F@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> yes Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: John Hasty Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Pawn Shopping did I miss something? ________________________________ From: John Hasty To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Duncan Charlton ; FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 7:24:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pawn Shopping Gee whiz, Bobby, having collected tools since my "hot rod" days in the late 40's & 50's, I couldn't possibly tell you all the brands. For sure Sears was a big source, but I'm sure none of them had "dick" in the name Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com > > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 07:55:07 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:55:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale In-Reply-To: <20130110230651.Y9XN2.191089.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130110230651.Y9XN2.191089.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <80D32826-E12E-46D2-A2AB-83CC173B4A16@yahoo.com> The sale at Autozone is always the best. It is about $2.50 a quart. Keep your eyes open for their sale. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 10, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Randall wrote: > Thanks for reminding me! > O'Reillys has (or had) VR1 synthetic on sale for $4.99 in the store, even though it doesn't appear for that price in any of their online ads. My local store was out when I was in there last week, but they said they should get more this week and the sale price was good until the 28th. I'm going to run over and stock up (if they have any). > > YMMV > Randall > > ---- Don Marshall wrote: >> A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on >> sale at Autozone for half price > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Jan 12 07:47:39 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:47:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In a message dated 01/11/2013 5:18:05 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and > Marty > Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for > distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. > Lots of Triumph stuff in the current issue of Victory Lane, including VSCDA's add for Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVIII and its Kastner Cup event. I love the Joanie Delap photo used in the adv. (three TR4s going at it, shot from the rear). I like everything about that photo, but in particular, the fact that you can read the decal on the rear of the Alexander TR4, which memorializes Steve's dad (and my mentor)...Mike Belfer. Bill Dentinger From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Jan 12 10:36:09 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:36:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com><8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <2F83E7C11FA245A9AE5D4C35FDE6AAA4@TRIUMPH.local> Dennis, The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living stuff really gets in the way of fun. Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the 2013 KCup, I have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the right stuff is coming together. This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Delap" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings > Speaking of the FOT website. > Why is it so outdated? From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 14:41:52 2013 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:41:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> Message-ID: Usually U.S. sourced parts are made in China or Taiwan and U.K. sourced parts are made in India. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Doug Braun" Cc: ; <6pack at autox.team.net>; "Friends of triumph" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue > Yes the County Rockers are made in India. > They usually have better quality control than most. > > On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >> Another horror story: >> >> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that >> most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few >> days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms >> seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm >> cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker >> arms were getting lubricated. >> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill >> deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco > > wrote: >> >> FYI >> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >> overbored. >> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >> with #1 piston installed. >> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >> didn't see any issues. >> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >> just below the oil ring on the other side. >> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >> pistons not County on the way. >> >> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >> >> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >> >> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >> the babbit and copper. >> >> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >> >> Glenn >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Spitfires at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 12 17:04:44 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:04:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <2F83E7C11FA245A9AE5D4C35FDE6AAA4@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. We certainly have tons of pictures available. Do we have a writer? What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? Could I learn it and help out? Small moves - something everyday will get her done. Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > Dennis, > > The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my > clients stop > throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time > and enthuisasm > to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living > stuff really gets > in the way of fun. > > Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > 2013 KCup, I > have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason > will help bail me > out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > Cup events, I > can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are > really is pulling > off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the > right stuff is > coming together. > > This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Delap" > To: "Joe Alexander" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings AMERICA...FOUR > MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > > > > Speaking of the FOT website. > > Why is it so outdated? From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 20:44:35 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:44:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. > > Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. > We certainly have tons of pictures available. > Do we have a writer? > What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. > How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? > Could I learn it and help out? > > Small moves - something everyday will get her done. > Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > > >> Dennis, >> >> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >> clients stop >> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >> and enthuisasm >> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >> stuff really gets >> in the way of fun. >> >> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >> 2013 KCup, I >> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >> will help bail me >> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >> Cup events, I >> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >> really is pulling >> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >> right stuff is >> coming together. >> >> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >> >> Henry >> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis Delap" >> To: "Joe Alexander" >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings > AMERICA...FOUR >> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >> >> >>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>> Why is it so outdated? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 13 07:54:21 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:54:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBFB5019DD1D1-CB4-17BC4@webmail-m147.sysops.aol.com> You are exactly right, Dennis. Maybe someone can come up with a plan. It seems like, whenever there has been a need, somebody jumps in a addresses the problem. Not bad for a non organization. Henry, maybe you can come up with plan and solicit for support? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap To: Joe Alexander ; yellow04 Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 6:04 pm Subject: Re: fot-racing.com Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. We certainly have tons of pictures available. Do we have a writer? What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? Could I learn it and help out? Small moves - something everyday will get her done. Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > Dennis, > > The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my > clients stop > throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time > and enthuisasm > to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living > stuff really gets > in the way of fun. > > Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > 2013 KCup, I > have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason > will help bail me > out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > Cup events, I > can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are > really is pulling > off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the > right stuff is > coming together. > > This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Delap" > To: "Joe Alexander" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings AMERICA...FOUR > MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > > > > Speaking of the FOT website. > > Why is it so outdated? From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun Jan 13 13:18:37 2013 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:18:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR chasssis stuff Message-ID: <50F3169D.10603@bright.net> With all the discussion about chassis strengths, or lack thereof, wanted to let the list know about our TR6 chassis/diff stiffener kit. This was developed by Lanky Foushee for the Group44 TR6. When we redid my daughter'sTR6 chassis at the Group44shop, we put this on the car and developed a "kit". The kit boxes the 3 sided support that holds the upper spring mount/body tub cross bar. it also supports the outer end of the bar that is the top spring seat. And, boxes in the rear cross member where the shocks are attached. By boxing in these points, the diff supports now becomes part of the chassis. Less load and better rigidity. Kit can be installed with body on frame. Pictures are on our website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click "Performance Parts" then select TR250/TR6 Performance Parts then go to the suspension section. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From list at mackenzie.aero Sun Jan 13 14:12:17 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:12:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets Message-ID: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) From bownes at seiri.com Sun Jan 13 14:30:20 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:30:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Message-ID: I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the > 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a > better quality gasket. > > I need one urgently. > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '78 1500 (street) > '71 GT6 MKIII (project) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 14:35:51 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:35:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Message-ID: <50F328B7.2000306@comcast.net> I've got three of them that I no longer need since I switched to a 1300. They are the metalized type. I normally source that type of stuff from British Parts NW. Since they are across town from me I normally get next day delivery. Let me know if you want me to mail mine to you. On 1/13/2013 1:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the > 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a > better quality gasket. > > I need one urgently. > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '78 1500 (street) > '71 GT6 MKIII (project) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 13 15:48:51 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:48:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD Message-ID: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> FOT, There seems to be a chance that the Kastner Cup feature something beyond just a 'gaggle' in SPITFIRES and GT6s. I am pleased to announce that I just heard from California's Jerry and Jan BARKER. They plan to bring both the SCCA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE and the KASTNER CUP WINNING HERALD. What a show this will be! You may not know that street fuel found it's way into the SCCA CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE at the MITTY last year and prevented a great showing. While it provided some amusing copy by our friend BURT LEVY, it wont happen again at Road American. SEE YOU AT KCUP 2013 Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jan 13 18:01:06 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:01:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR chasssis stuff References: <50F3169D.10603@bright.net> Message-ID: Hi Gang, I put Ted's kit in my TR6 last summer; piece of cake. I'm going to take a close look around my front suspension and rack mounts when the engine is out (tomorrow). It's lots easier to do repairs with an empty engine bay. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Schumacher" To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:18 PM Subject: [Fot] TR chasssis stuff > With all the discussion about chassis strengths, or lack thereof, wanted > to let the list know about our TR6 chassis/diff stiffener kit. This was > developed by Lanky Foushee for the Group44 TR6. When we redid my > daughter'sTR6 chassis at the Group44shop, we put this on the car and > developed a "kit". The kit boxes the 3 sided support that holds the upper > spring mount/body tub cross bar. it also supports the outer end of the bar > that is the top spring seat. And, boxes in the rear cross member where the > shocks are attached. By boxing in these points, the diff supports now > becomes part of the chassis. Less load and better rigidity. Kit can be > installed with body on frame. Pictures are on our website - > www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click "Performance Parts" then select > TR250/TR6 Performance Parts then go to the suspension section. Thanks for > your time. Ted > > -- > Ted Schumacher > tedtsimx at bright.net > http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > 108 S. Jefferson St. > Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 > Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) > Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) > Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jan 13 18:23:51 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:23:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD In-Reply-To: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Awsome. Evelyn and I camped out outside the gate with Jerry and Jan at Road Atlanta Sunday night last year. Sat around the campfire swapping stories. What great folks, looking forward to seeing them again. Marty ---------------------------------------- > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:48:51 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD > > FOT, > > There seems to be a chance that the Kastner Cup feature something beyond just > a 'gaggle' in SPITFIRES and GT6s. > > I am pleased to announce that I just heard from California's Jerry and Jan > BARKER. They plan to bring both the SCCA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE and > the KASTNER CUP WINNING HERALD. What a show this will be! > > You may not know that street fuel found it's way into the SCCA CHAMPIONSHIP > SPITFIRE at the MITTY last year and prevented a great showing. While it > provided some amusing copy by our friend BURT LEVY, it wont happen again at > Road American. SEE YOU AT KCUP 2013 > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From dkorneli54 at charter.net Sun Jan 13 15:54:26 2013 From: dkorneli54 at charter.net (deb korneli) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:54:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD References: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Great News! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:48 PM Subject: Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD FOT, There seems to be a chance that the Kastner Cup feature something beyond just a 'gaggle' in SPITFIRES and GT6s. I am pleased to announce that I just heard from California's Jerry and Jan BARKER. They plan to bring both the SCCA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE and the KASTNER CUP WINNING HERALD. What a show this will be! You may not know that street fuel found it's way into the SCCA CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE at the MITTY last year and prevented a great showing. While it provided some amusing copy by our friend BURT LEVY, it wont happen again at Road American. SEE YOU AT KCUP 2013 Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 14 12:20:37 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:20:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >>> clients stop >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >>> and enthuisasm >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >>> stuff really gets >>> in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >>> will help bail me >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >>> really is pulling >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >>> right stuff is >>> coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Jan 14 12:34:27 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:34:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F3ECFA118E@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Check out my West Coast Vintage Racing website: www.vintageracing.us It's a very simple Go Daddy site. Easy to set up & maintain. Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Delap Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 11:21 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have >> been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients >>> stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and >>> enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a >>> living stuff really gets in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help >>> bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) >>> are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems >>> to me all the right stuff is coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 14 12:43:31 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:43:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com Message-ID: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> In a message dated 01/14/2013 1:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see > who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about > themself > and their Racing Triumph? > God knows I'm way too verbose to be against free speech, and of course Bill Babcock's forgotten more about such new software and how it works than I'll ever hope to know, but I'd have some concern about opening up the FOT Website to wholesale input for all members without the benefit of an 'editor'. That's what editors are for..the purpose they serve. Look what happens here on the FOT List. All members are granted an 'open mike' here, and it works great...but let's face it...we sure can get rag tag now and again. Our website is ought to be on purpose and not by accident. I absolutely think all members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Bill Dentinger From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 12:50:52 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:50:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> Message-ID: That's great if someone wants to do it, in the default wordpress security hierarchy there are both authors and editors. Editors can change any submission. You can also set the system so certain levels can comment, and with a closed group like the FOT that eliminates most comment spam since only members can comment. Here's a sample of a wordpress site I built called xtreme Geezer. That would certainly be you Bill. I haven't doner much with it since building it, but it's more or less what I'd recommend for the FOT. www.xgeez.com On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:43 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/14/2013 1:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, > yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > > >> I like Babcocks idea. >> If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see >> who >> we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. >> That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about >> themself >> and their Racing Triumph? >> > > God knows I'm way too verbose to be against free speech, and of course Bill > Babcock's forgotten more about such new software and how it works than I'll > ever hope to know, but I'd have some concern about opening up the FOT > Website to wholesale input for all members without the benefit of an 'editor'. > That's what editors are for..the purpose they serve. Look what happens here > on the FOT List. All members are granted an 'open mike' here, and it works > great...but let's face it...we sure can get rag tag now and again. Our > website is ought to be on purpose and not by accident. I absolutely think all > members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also > think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 13:37:41 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:37:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> Editor good idea.....should be Henry's call on how to proceed, methinks. and Mordy. And it would ideal to step back in order to go forward. I think Dennis is on to something here. I like a little RAG-TAG on the FOT list....as long as it doesnt get personal.....just passionate. We have had some pretty decent threads, lately. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: yellow-green ; ponobill Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com In a message dated 01/14/2013 1:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see > who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about > themself > and their Racing Triumph? > God knows I'm way too verbose to be against free speech, and of course Bill Babcock's forgotten more about such new software and how it works than I'll ever hope to know, but I'd have some concern about opening up the FOT Website to wholesale input for all members without the benefit of an 'editor'. That's what editors are for..the purpose they serve. Look what happens here on the FOT List. All members are granted an 'open mike' here, and it works great...but let's face it...we sure can get rag tag now and again. Our website is ought to be on purpose and not by accident. I absolutely think all members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 13:42:56 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:42:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: We can all probably agree that the website could use some improvements. I certainly like the idea of a self-authored portion of the FOT site too. Especially something like a "Members and their Cars" Section", But as Bill D. has said we would need an editor (at the very least) Right now I am working on a couple pages of info for the next Kastner Cup. Henry, Joe and I are getting some stuff together and can promise (or at least try to promise) a slick new portion of the website highlighting some more current FOT 2013 updates and a full summary of our plans for the Kastner-Cup. In terms of going beyond this and totally revamping the entire site (baby steps) let me start with this.... I will see how it goes. After spending some time with these initial improvements, perhaps I could be convinced to be said "editor" and perhaps develop some sort of a "biography/ members section." All that being said... although our website could use a bit of improvement... we are very lucky to have our interests and friendships supported by an (almost always) fully functional contact network. I like our smallish email based Triumph World! Not a bad little group of geeks, and with no dues, duties, officers etc. I think we do pretty good for a group of "non members" As always, Thanks of course go out to "the man behind the curtain" Fot website updates to follow. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Dennis Delap wrote: > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see > who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about > themself > and their Racing Triumph? > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > all > the members author privileges. > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap > wrote: > > > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an > elephant. > >> > >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been > attending - is almost non existent on our site. > >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. > >> Do we have a writer? > >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. > >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? > >> Could I learn it and help out? > >> > >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. > >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > >> > >> > >>> Dennis, > >>> > >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my > >>> clients stop > >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time > >>> and enthuisasm > >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living > >>> stuff really gets > >>> in the way of fun. > >>> > >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > >>> 2013 KCup, I > >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason > >>> will help bail me > >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > >>> Cup events, I > >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are > >>> really is pulling > >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the > >>> right stuff is > >>> coming together. > >>> > >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > >>> > >>> Henry > >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Dennis Delap" > >>> To: "Joe Alexander" > >>> Cc: > >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >>> AMERICA...FOUR > >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. > >>>> Why is it so outdated? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 14:07:37 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:07:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen In-Reply-To: <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> Hi guys, any idea where to get one those Group 44 style Triumph TR6 TR250 tinted lexan windscreen Cheers Chris From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 14:33:05 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:33:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen In-Reply-To: <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> Message-ID: Huffaker makes them for MG's & Jenson Healeys Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi guys, > > any idea where to get one those > Group 44 style Triumph TR6 TR250 tinted lexan windscreen > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 14 14:50:00 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:50:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > I absolutely think all > members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also > think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Are you volunteering ? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 14:52:22 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:52:22 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen In-Reply-To: References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> Message-ID: <003401cdf2a1$6fc413f0$4f4c3bd0$@com> Thanks all for input. Found what my friends needed. Cheers Chris Von: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 14. Januar 2013 22:27 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen check out the "racing only" windscreen at : http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/tr250_tr6.html Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:07 PM, MadMarx wrote: Hi guys, any idea where to get one those Group 44 style Triumph TR6 TR250 tinted lexan windscreen Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ~WRD000.jpg] From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 14 14:54:30 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Web stuff Message-ID: <50F47E96.2040402@bradakis.com> The discussion of the FOT web site has reminded me that I have a lot of updating to do with the extremely out of date Team.Net pages, as well as a few other domains. I'll be using Wordpress for some of the work. It is too COLD to go out and work in the garage, so I'll be parking my sorry self in front of the computer for a while. We'll see what gets done. And yes, this is a great list! mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 14:57:38 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:57:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > I absolutely think all > members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also > think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Are you volunteering ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 14 15:29:36 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:29:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 15:43:55 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:43:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> I absolutely think all >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > also >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Are you volunteering ? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 15:46:25 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:46:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <5D67E1E6-D240-4800-888E-B5BEF79A6D18@gdhs.com> Randall, I'm 77 and am at the office every day (except when I'm on the way to a race) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- Joe Alexander wrote: >> I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) >> > > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. > > Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 14 15:58:05 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:58:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5D67E1E6-D240-4800-888E-B5BEF79A6D18@gdhs.com> References: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <5D67E1E6-D240-4800-888E-B5BEF79A6D18@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <50F48D7D.1070807@bradakis.com> I'm still under 60. I better volunteer for something. I know, I'll manage the mailing list ;-) mjb. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:25:51 2013 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:25:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <1358205951.82927.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Joe never retired he just changed week day hobby; thankfully. ________________________________ From: Randall To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 16:56:48 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:56:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <8CFC0C9F34398C1-84C-13BC4@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> It's time you young guns take over... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 16:59:44 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:59:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> i thought the transmission thread was a good one and there were no bad answers. we could have it again, as i no longer have any memory of it. i wonder what position i would take next time. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Joe Alexander Cc: tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> I absolutely think all >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > also >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Are you volunteering ? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 17:18:00 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. Seems only fair. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:22:13 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:22:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358205951.82927.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <1358205951.82927.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0CD7FEBB63B-84C-13E49@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> It helps to have a legacy going....Sean & Mark....with Brendan perhaps completing driver's school this year. It's a big year for Brendan....likely going to State in wrestling, driver's school, and then off to the University....not to mention the Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann To: Randall ; Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Joe never retired he just changed week day hobby; thankfully. From: Randall To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 14 17:26:47 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:26:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <927F3717746F49A698E5135370EFEB58@TRIUMPH.local> Fot-racing.com is Mordy's site, Mordy makes the call. I'm just the wrench here... I don't mind updating the site, but it goes a whole lot easier if someone actually authors something I can drop on a page. That kind of thing I can do quick and easy. Me sitting on front of a blank page does nobody any favors. As far as the idea to have member bios and pictures, that does not sound like the FOT I know. Sounds like people who need to have their egos pumped up. I thought if you had a big ego, you race something other than a Truimph! Should we poll the group to see how many people actually want to post a bio and pictures? If there is a concensus, we can figure out the next step. Then, with Joe's blessing, we can proceed. Members with good intentions "going rogue" on stuff like this is not good! In case you didn't guess, I a "not participating" with a member bio page! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > Editor good idea.....should be Henry's call on how to proceed, methinks. > and Mordy. > > And it would ideal to step back in order to go forward. > > I think Dennis is on to something here. > > I like a little RAG-TAG on the FOT list....as long as it doesnt get > personal.....just passionate. > > We have had some pretty decent threads, lately. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:28:40 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:28:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0CE66B9A971-84C-13F1B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> if you could have made that rhyme, it would have been shear poetry Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Joe Alexander Cc: jhhasty ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. Seems only fair. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From igofaster at att.net Mon Jan 14 17:30:05 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:30:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? Bobby ________________________________ From: Dennis Delap To: Bill Babcock Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >>> clients stop >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >>> and enthuisasm >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >>> stuff really gets >>> in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >>> will help bail me >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >>> really is pulling >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >>> right stuff is >>> coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:35:30 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:35:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <927F3717746F49A698E5135370EFEB58@TRIUMPH.local> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> <927F3717746F49A698E5135370EFEB58@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <8CFC0CF5B541AF3-84C-140AC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> we dont need bios....we already know too much about some of you. a roster with name, car, and state.....with email address option? then if someone wanted to get a hold of someone they could. since it is sponsored by Mordy...he gets the final word, methink. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Fot-racing.com is Mordy's site, Mordy makes the call. I'm just the wrench here... I don't mind updating the site, but it goes a whole lot easier if someone actually authors something I can drop on a page. That kind of thing I can do quick and easy. Me sitting on front of a blank page does nobody any favors. As far as the idea to have member bios and pictures, that does not sound like the FOT I know. Sounds like people who need to have their egos pumped up. I thought if you had a big ego, you race something other than a Truimph! Should we poll the group to see how many people actually want to post a bio and pictures? If there is a concensus, we can figure out the next step. Then, with Joe's blessing, we can proceed. Members with good intentions "going rogue" on stuff like this is not good! In case you didn't guess, I a "not participating" with a member bio page! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > Editor good idea.....should be Henry's call on how to proceed, methinks. > and Mordy. > > And it would ideal to step back in order to go forward. > > I think Dennis is on to something here. > > I like a little RAG-TAG on the FOT list....as long as it doesnt get > personal.....just passionate. > > We have had some pretty decent threads, lately. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:41:53 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:41:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0D03F4022B3-84C-14146@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> ya, Ed Dunn has one. somebody else started one, then we got a little grumpy about it and ruined it. not everyone is on FB and it get's to be kind of an activity trap. it's really about keeping things simple.....staying low key is also good. kind of hard to stay low key with the Kastner Cup.....but we sure have improved the image of the TRIUMPH. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Dennis Delap Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? Bobby ________________________________ From: Dennis Delap To: Bill Babcock Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >>> clients stop >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >>> and enthuisasm >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >>> stuff really gets >>> in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >>> will help bail me >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >>> really is pulling >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >>> right stuff is >>> coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 18:13:07 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:13:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0D03F4022B3-84C-14146@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFC0D03F4022B3-84C-14146@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > "kind of hard to stay low key with the Kastner Cup.....but we sure have > improved the image of the TRIUMPH." > That's the low-keyers on high right there! Every year we have an "All Welcome INTERNATIONAL Race Meeting". Its Called the Kastner Cup. If you are into Triumph Racing... Then you really should be at the Kastner Cup. This is THE SHOWCASE for our individual race programs. They key players in the world of Triumphs may have no bio's on the world wide web. But, If they are one (a player). you should find them at the "Kastner Cup." See Everyone in Sept. Everyone! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 18:14:35 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:14:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Tell you what Joe, let's just number that thread as, say #116. To save space and time now when we need a good laugh all we need do is text "116" ! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > i thought the transmission thread was a good one and there were no bad answers. > > we could have it again, as i no longer have any memory of it. > > i wonder what position i would take next time. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: tr3driver ; fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:44 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randall > > Cc: fot > > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> I absolutely think all > >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > > also > >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > > > Are you volunteering ? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 18:18:14 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:18:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 18:18:59 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:18:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0D56E76F643-84C-148CF@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> I think I saw a comedy routine like that once....not sure how it ended. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Joe Alexander Cc: tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Tell you what Joe, let's just number that thread as, say #116. To save space and time now when we need a good laugh all we need do is text "116" ! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: i thought the transmission thread was a good one and there were no bad answers. we could have it again, as i no longer have any memory of it. i wonder what position i would take next time. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Joe Alexander Cc: tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> I absolutely think all >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > also >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Are you volunteering ? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 18:24:27 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:24:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0D63204DE0A-84C-1496B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jan 14 18:41:02 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0D63204DE0A-84C-1496B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1217764446.2227158.1358214062628.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> That's great, Joe. I like the hehehe! part. I'm rapidly approaching that age as well and I have to get my medical papers ready for this season. Should be no-prob. I just put fuel in my car. It's been almost 40 years since it last ran. I'm hoping that's no-prob too. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: jhhasty at gdhs.com, jason at multivintage.com Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:24:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 18:43:50 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:43:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1217764446.2227158.1358214062628.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <8CFC0D63204DE0A-84C-1496B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <1217764446.2227158.1358214062628.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: WOw dave, that's big! You have a fire extinguisher handy, Right? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: davehogye Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:41:02 To: Joe Alexander Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com That's great, Joe. I like the hehehe! part. I'm rapidly approaching that age as well and I have to get my medical papers ready for this season. Should be no-prob. I just put fuel in my car. It's been almost 40 years since it last ran. I'm hoping that's no-prob too. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: jhhasty at gdhs.com, jason at multivintage.com Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:24:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jan 14 18:48:06 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <777089215-1358214233-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-543040914-@b18.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1256771339.2227491.1358214486472.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yes and there's also a fire hydrant close by. Thanks for the vote of confidence. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jason at multivintage.com To: "davehogye" , "Joe Alexander" Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net, jhhasty at gdhs.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:43:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com WOw dave, that's big! You have a fire extinguisher handy, Right? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: davehogye Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:41:02 +0000 (UTC) To: Joe Alexander Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com That's great, Joe. I like the hehehe! part. I'm rapidly approaching that age as well and I have to get my medical papers ready for this season. Should be no-prob. I just put fuel in my car. It's been almost 40 years since it last ran. I'm hoping that's no-prob too. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: jhhasty at gdhs.com, jason at multivintage.com Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:24:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jan 14 21:12:16 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:12:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Message-ID: <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Jan 14 21:44:03 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:44:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:30 PM To: Dennis Delap Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? Bobby ________________________________ From: Dennis Delap To: Bill Babcock Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have >> been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients >>> stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and >>> enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a >>> living stuff really gets in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help >>> bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) >>> are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems >>> to me all the right stuff is coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Jan 15 03:19:15 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 05:19:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com><5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net><1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <15C0F216E1BF4DA598B4CE95D3AD97BF@TRIUMPH.local> Ding ding ding ding..... We have a winner!!! Our Facebook page seems perfect for what we are talking about here, and it's already up and running. Do we really need more? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edward Dunn" >Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com >> >> here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 15 07:10:33 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:10:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, disassembling and re-assembling. On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 15 07:17:17 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:17:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> Message-ID: <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> I used to use his gaskets and they were good, WERE! I ordered some recently and they were wafer thin, warped and very much like what one might expect from VB. These were for Spitfire 1296 applications. It also took three weeks to get the right application parts which he sent twice (wrong parts each time) via next day at my expense. His response was to "just use two!" when I told him these were unacceptable. Sorry, based on that experience, never again! Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:11 AM To: robertten1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, disassembling and re-assembling. On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets > for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 15 07:18:37 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:18:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> Message-ID: good thing I stocked up on the ones for the GT6 that I like! Sounds true to form, anyway. On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: I used to use his gaskets and they were good, WERE! I ordered some recently and they were wafer thin, warped and very much like what one might expect from VB. These were for Spitfire 1296 applications. It also took three weeks to get the right application parts which he sent twice (wrong parts each time) via next day at my expense. His response was to "just use two!" when I told him these were unacceptable. Sorry, based on that experience, never again! Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:11 AM To: robertten1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, disassembling and re-assembling. On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets > for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 09:13:11 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:13:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com>, <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net>, <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Thanks a bunch Ed.:) You have drug me kicking and screaming into the face book masses. Something I swore I would never do but the FOT fb site looked pretty neat. Now to figure out this new (to me) stuff. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > To: igofaster at att.net; yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:44:03 -0800 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > www.vintageracing.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:30 PM > To: Dennis Delap > Cc: FoT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? > Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis Delap > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" > Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself > and their Racing Triumph? > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > > all > the members author privileges. > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap > wrote: > > > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. > >> > >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have > >> been > attending - is almost non existent on our site. > >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. > >> Do we have a writer? > >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. > >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? > >> Could I learn it and help out? > >> > >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. > >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > >> > >> > >>> Dennis, > >>> > >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients > >>> stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and > >>> enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a > >>> living stuff really gets in the way of fun. > >>> > >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > >>> 2013 KCup, I > >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help > >>> bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > >>> Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) > >>> are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems > >>> to me all the right stuff is coming together. > >>> > >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > >>> > >>> Henry > >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Dennis Delap" > >>> To: "Joe Alexander" > >>> Cc: > >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >>> AMERICA...FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. > >>>> Why is it so outdated? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 15 09:25:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:25:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA BANQUET 2 February13 Janet Guthrie HONORED GUEST and Speaker Message-ID: <8CFC15404B9B6A4-1EE0-2EAF5@webmail-d053.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I have not attended in recent years because of winter and distance, but rethinking it with our involvement with VSCDA this year with the KASTNER CUP.....and it doesnt interfere with DISTRICT and STATE wrestling tournaments. :-) VSCDA.org for details. Anyone else in? It would be a good time to get together, and a good time. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 15 09:58:12 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:58:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA BANQUET 2 February13 Janet Guthrie HONORED GUEST and Speaker Message-ID: <29a68.41517091.3e26e4a4@aol.com> In a message dated 01/15/2013 10:25:17 AM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > I have not attended in recent years because of winter and distance, but > rethinking it with our involvement with VSCDA this year with the KASTNER > CUP.....and it doesnt interfere with DISTRICT and STATE wrestling > tournaments. > :-) > > VSCDA.org for details. Anyone else in? It would be a good time to get > together, and a good time. > Joe... Bob Wismer and I usually attend this banquet, but this year we both have family conflicts. Down through the years it has always been a great way to get together with fellow racers during the winter. VSCDA is doing something different for 2013, and holding the event in conjunction with another 'auto club' group. Not sure of the impact this will have, nor how it will work compared to what they have done in the past, but regardless...I wish I was able to go as their speaker and honored guest is Janet Guthrie, who is one classy lady and was one heck of a driver. Granted she is best known as a female Motorsports trail blazer, but more than a few believe that all she lacked was top shelf equipment and she would have been a record setter. Look what she did in TransAm and without a Major Team effort. A few years back she graced a Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team wine and cheese party at Road America with her presence. She's both a great sport, and one classy lady. Her book: Janet Guthrie-A Life at Full Throttle is a very good read and recommended. Bill Dentinger From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jan 15 10:07:39 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:07:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA BANQUET 2 February13 Janet Guthrie HONORED GUEST and Speaker In-Reply-To: <8CFC15404B9B6A4-1EE0-2EAF5@webmail-d053.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFC15404B9B6A4-1EE0-2EAF5@webmail-d053.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I've been considering it but haven't signed up yet. I think the "special room rate" expired yesterday. There's a McKee Engineering race shop tour and brunch with Bob McKee and Janet Guthrie 9:30 am to 1 pm too. Tony Drews At 10:25 AM 1/15/2013, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > >I have not attended in recent years because of winter and distance, but >rethinking it with our involvement with VSCDA this year with the KASTNER >CUP.....and it doesnt interfere with DISTRICT and STATE wrestling tournaments. >:-) > >VSCDA.org for details. Anyone else in? It would be a good time to get >together, and a good time. > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Jan 15 10:28:23 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:28:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> Message-ID: Amici Threw another club I belong to I might be able to provide a contact at a place that can make just about any gasket (head, exhaust, intake, water pump) you might need. I am reaching out to them. Let me know if anyone is interested and I will blast an email to this club Sincerely Chris PS. I have spit parts for sale cheap! Ask and you might be surprise send what I have. On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > good thing I stocked up on the ones for the GT6 that I like! > > Sounds true to form, anyway. > > On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: > > I used to use his gaskets and they were good, WERE! I ordered some recently > and they were wafer thin, warped and very much like what one might expect > from VB. These were for Spitfire 1296 applications. It also took three weeks > to get the right application parts which he sent twice (wrong parts each > time) via next day at my expense. His response was to "just use two!" when I > told him these were unacceptable. Sorry, based on that experience, never > again! > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:11 AM > To: robertten1 at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets > > You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he > makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite > material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, > disassembling and re-assembling. > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > > I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure > if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich > intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my > spares. > > Good Luck, > Bob T > '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) > '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert bownes > To: Robert MacKenzie > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets > > > I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie > wrote: >> Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets >> for the > 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a > better quality gasket. > > I need one urgently. > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '78 1500 (street) > '71 GT6 MKIII (project) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Jan 15 15:14:57 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:14:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gaskets References: <002d01cdf367$db91a9f0$92b4fdd0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Amici Here is a good contact for gaskets. I remember that he has made some copper head gaskets. I think he made an exotic material (fiber type) head gasket. Don't quote me on what they can do. Find out for yourself and contact them. Chris > MERCER GASKET & SHIM INC > 110 BENIGNO BLVD > BELLMAWR, NJ 08031 > (800) 210-5000 > www.mercergasket.com > > Tom Evans > Tricars at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 15 18:27:14 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: Greetings FoT, I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to head clearance assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 Thanks as always, jim g From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 15 23:59:34 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:59:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <20130116014213.E52A54291C@autox.team.net> References: <20130116014213.E52A54291C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I run 1.3mm Am 16.01.2013 02:38 schrieb "Jim Gray" : > Greetings FoT, > > I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston > to > head clearance > > assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. > > I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 > > Thanks as always, > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 05:36:39 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:36:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gaskets References: <002d01cdf367$db91a9f0$92b4fdd0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Amici Here is a contact who has made done gaskets for folks. If I remember correctly they made a copper head gasket. Give them a shout and see what they can do Chris > > MERCER GASKET & SHIM INC > 110 BENIGNO BLVD > BELLMAWR, NJ 08031 > (800) 210-5000 > www.mercergasket.com > > Tom Evans > Tricars at verizon.net From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Jan 16 06:29:08 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:29:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Message-ID: Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson From scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 16 06:53:04 2013 From: scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com (Scott Starkweather) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:53:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles Message-ID: I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my options are? Thanks, Scott From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jan 16 07:06:38 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:06:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> You have an option: cheap and deadly or expensive and safer.......still not an absolute! I can send pictures of what happens with the first option. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Starkweather Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:53 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my options are? Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 16 07:19:23 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:19:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Russ was quicker on the draw than I this morning. And he's 100% correct. $1000 for axles is a heck of a lot cheaper than getting another car. And the car isn't the only thing that can get hurt when "things go wild". This is serious stuff. And it's "safety related". Don't cheap out here, please. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 07:20:28 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:20:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> References: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8511A3DD-C6AA-49CD-9BED-60315C9C23C4@yahoo.com> Agreed. Too much risk to consider cheap as an option. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > You have an option: cheap and deadly or expensive and safer.......still not > an absolute! > I can send pictures of what happens with the first option. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Starkweather > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:53 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing > with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an > alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my > options are? > > Thanks, > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 16 07:27:40 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:27:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Starkweather" Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the > more pricey axles out there? No. > I'm wondering what my options are? Go slow on street tires and hope for the best, or listen to the guys who know firsthand and buy a set of race axles. I think we have guys here that have broken some race prepped axles, so do your homework. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 16 07:35:47 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:35:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: Message-ID: The axles that I got from Joe Siam in SoCal... have been trouble free 2003-2011..they are 1 piece...no keyway..Joe made them from Nissan stuff..Had to turn the yoke for clearance..Don't try to save money on Spitfire axles..If you cannot buy high quality...wait until you can. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Scott Starkweather" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Starkweather" > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > >> Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the >> more pricey axles out there? > > No. > >> I'm wondering what my options are? > > Go slow on street tires and hope for the best, or listen to the guys who > know firsthand and buy a set of race axles. I think we have guys here that > have broken some race prepped axles, so do your homework. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 16 07:38:43 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:38:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: Message-ID: Things go 'Wild' is right...when a Spifire axle goes...the driver is no longer in control...It happened to me with stock axles in the esses at Infineon about 9 years ago. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Scott Starkweather" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > Hi, > > Russ was quicker on the draw than I this morning. And he's 100% correct. > > $1000 for axles is a heck of a lot cheaper than getting another car. And > the car isn't the only thing that can get hurt when "things go wild". > > This is serious stuff. And it's "safety related". Don't cheap out here, > please. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 16 07:41:23 2013 From: scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com (Scott Starkweather) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Message loud and clear! I absolutely agree that safety comes first. I'll be getting my axles ordered soon. Thanks everyone, Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:27 AM, wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Starkweather" > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > >> Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the >> more pricey axles out there? > > No. > >> I'm wondering what my options are? > > Go slow on street tires and hope for the best, or listen to the guys who > know firsthand and buy a set of race axles. I think we have guys here that > have broken some race prepped axles, so do your homework. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 08:22:46 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jan 16 08:32:23 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:32:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> I have been using a Quaife in my Spitfire for the last 10 years. I have no complaints other than the fact that, once you lift the right rear tire, you've got an open diff. Otherwise, so far so good. I'll be experimenting with a Detroit Locker this year, which I hear is going to require a slight modification of driving style. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charles WATSON Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:29 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jan 16 08:41:30 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the 'breakaway" of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car up (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it takes to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes some test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" diff I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little extra :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. CheersTony > To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. > > we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: FOT List > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But > I > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > to > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > Quaife > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jan 16 08:46:55 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:46:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: , , <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps in the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new diffs ...as of yet. > From: horizonracing at msn.com > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply > because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the 'breakaway" > of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a > breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car up > (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it takes > to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes some > test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" diff > I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I > increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little extra > :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. > CheersTony > > To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > > > i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. > > > > we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles WATSON > > To: FOT List > > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am > > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > > > > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. > But > > I > > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > > to > > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > > Quaife > > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > > appreciated! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Watson > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jan 16 08:52:10 2013 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:52:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: , <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC21893BF98D6-95C-1A54C@webmail-m183.sysops.aol.com> If you intend to keep the Roto's for a while I'd be cautious applying any of the aggressive differential options. My GT6 had a quaife for many years because of the opinion offered above. I noticed a significant improvement in traction out of the hairpin at Phoenix Raceway the first time I used it. It's true that you can't lift a tire though. When I went to the Datsun hubs and halfshafts I progressed through Detroit Lockers and welded diffs and sold the quaife as surplus. I don't know of any clutch diffs for our cars. And don't even fantasize about gaining any advantage from that stupid "Phantom Grip"! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; clw2000 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply ecause there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the 'breakaway" f the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a reakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car up Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it takes o turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes some est time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" diff 've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I ncreased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little extra ) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. heersTony > To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net From: n197tr4 at cs.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. ut I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 08:52:29 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:52:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CFC2189F3A4F8E-1260-3B47F@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Lifting Wheel: It's not clear to us what we did with the suspension, but the wheel does not lift and spin on our TR4. It did in the first few years. We do have a slightly wider track when we added spacers. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: 'Charles WATSON' ; FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:35 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD I have been using a Quaife in my Spitfire for the last 10 years. I have no complaints other than the fact that, once you lift the right rear tire, you've got an open diff. Otherwise, so far so good. I'll be experimenting with a Detroit Locker this year, which I hear is going to require a slight modification of driving style. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charles WATSON Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:29 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jan 16 09:41:55 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <95EC88B0F41D474BA6329737642487AE@hpd530> I agree with Russ. Although I drive a TR6, it had notoriously weak rear hubs. The best $800 or so that I ever spent was on Good's rear hubs. Not to mention Uncle Jack's front spindles. My $0.02 worth. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Scott Starkweather'" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > You have an option: cheap and deadly or expensive and safer.......still > not > an absolute! > I can send pictures of what happens with the first option. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Starkweather > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:53 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing > with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an > alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my > options are? > > Thanks, > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 09:46:01 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gaskets Message-ID: Amici, Here is a contact who has made some gaskets for our British cars. I believe he has made, among other things, copper head gaskets MERCER GASKET & SHIM INC 110 BENIGNO BLVD BELLMAWR, NJ 08031 (800) 210-5000 www.mercergasket.com Tom Evans tricars at verizon.net From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 16 09:49:53 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm with Steve - my GT6 has a welded 3.89 in it. There was one in the car when I got it, who knows how old, just destructed this summer after eight years of racing (and I coasted into pit lane with the rear end sounding like a can of bolts). I now have another 3.89 in the car, and a spare one welded up. They're cheap and reliable. They do require a certain driving style for this nose-heavy car - brake mostly before you are in the turn and get on the gas early to aim the car. Cars with welded rears are a pain to roll around the paddock or garage, however! On Jan 16, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Charles WATSON wrote: Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 16 10:25:41 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:25:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <002101cdf40e$84a09b90$8de1d2b0$@com> I had used a welded diff over the years with great success and tried last year a new Bastuck LSD diff. The Bastuck design has a lock from 50-98 percent depending how much throttle you give. More throttle = more lock. It has no ramps only clutch shims and no preload. (it has ramps but in a different way) It feels like a welded diff but you can drive the car around sharp corners like with an open diff. Very smooth unit. Cheers Chris From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 16 11:04:40 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:04:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Message-ID: Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 16 11:25:00 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bastuck LSD References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <002101cdf40e$84a09b90$8de1d2b0$@com> Message-ID: Does anybody have any more information on these units? Will they hold up to the rigors of TR racing? http://www.bastuck.de/shop/index.php?cat=10000&hg=11100 The Bastic website shows the unit sells for 666 euro, or under US$900. They should not change the VAT when shipping to outside the EU. I emailed them about shipping cost to the USA. Sounds very affordable. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >I had used a welded diff over the years with great success and tried last > year a new Bastuck LSD diff. > The Bastuck design has a lock from 50-98 percent depending how much > throttle > you give. > More throttle = more lock. > It has no ramps only clutch shims and no preload. (it has ramps but in a > different way) > It feels like a welded diff but you can drive the car around sharp corners > like with an open diff. > Very smooth unit. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 11:48:57 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:48:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Shawn, good questions. I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can bring you a couple Saturday. Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest style email? Who do I ask about that? Thank you, Shawn Frank From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 16 11:50:44 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Jason raises some excellent points on weak links in the system - my drivetrain is virtually non-stock, with a TR4-6 transmission (GT6 ones last a couple of weekends if you are lucky), a modified driveshaft, the welded rear, halfshafts with spicer u-joints inside and outside, and modified uprights with larger bearings and Corvair stub axles. With the exception of the transmission, this is the way the car came to me, as it was raced in SCCA club racing back in the day. On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jan 16 12:13:18 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:13:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bastuck LSD References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com><002101cdf40e$84a09b90$8de1d2b0$@com> Message-ID: <95160196FE244FA497DE03592FBE64FC@Charly> Isn't that the Tran-x unit? Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "MadMarx" ; "'FOT List'" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [Fot] Bastuck LSD > Does anybody have any more information on these units? Will they hold up > to the rigors of TR racing? > > http://www.bastuck.de/shop/index.php?cat=10000&hg=11100 > > The Bastic website shows the unit sells for 666 euro, or under US$900. > They should not change the VAT when shipping to outside the EU. I emailed > them about shipping cost to the USA. > > Sounds very affordable. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > >>I had used a welded diff over the years with great success and tried last >> year a new Bastuck LSD diff. >> The Bastuck design has a lock from 50-98 percent depending how much >> throttle >> you give. >> More throttle = more lock. >> It has no ramps only clutch shims and no preload. (it has ramps but in a >> different way) >> It feels like a welded diff but you can drive the car around sharp >> corners >> like with an open diff. >> Very smooth unit. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jan 16 12:23:33 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:23:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cdf41e$f98c9a70$eca5cf50$@net> I would be interested in these items also. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:49 PM To: my71spit13 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email Shawn, good questions. I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can bring you a couple Saturday. Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest style email? Who do I ask about that? Thank you, Shawn Frank _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jan 16 12:50:15 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:50:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50F70477.2020005@bradakis.com> Digest? Click on your 'Unsubscribe/Manage' link below. mjb. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 12:55:19 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:55:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Shawn, good questions. > > I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else > wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can > bring you a couple Saturday. > > Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. > > Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Frank > To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm > Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email > > > > Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? > Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there > any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest > style email? Who do I ask about that? > > Thank you, > > Shawn Frank > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Jan 16 13:01:16 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: I appreciate all the advice and comments. To round out the picture, I am converting to a TR6 trans and am replacing the rotoflex system with a much beefier CV set up. Trying to start with upgraded components where I know there will be failures otherwise. I like the idea of staying with the stock 3.89 if it is not ridiculously uncompetitive and then moving to the welded diff later. Seems like an economical progression too. Thanks, Chuck Watson Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD From: sjanzen at me.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:50:44 -0500 CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net To: jason at multivintage.com Jason raises some excellent points on weak links in the system - my drivetrain is virtually non-stock, with a TR4-6 transmission (GT6 ones last a couple of weekends if you are lucky), a modified driveshaft, the welded rear, halfshafts with spicer u-joints inside and outside, and modified uprights with larger bearings and Corvair stub axles. With the exception of the transmission, this is the way the car came to me, as it was raced in SCCA club racing back in the day. On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Jan 16 13:31:07 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:31:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: <50F70E0B.1000908@comcast.net> I suspect the GT6 rear suspension will work much better than the Spitfire's swing axles. Years ago, I tried racing a Spit with an open diff for one weekend. It was horrid. The inside rear got so light in the turns that I could spin the Goodyear slick in third gear at 70 mph. Put in a welded diff and knocked around 2 seconds off the lap time if I remember correctly. On 1/16/2013 12:01 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > I appreciate all the advice and comments. To round out the picture, I am > converting to a TR6 trans and am replacing the rotoflex system with a much > beefier CV set up. Trying to start with upgraded components where I know > there will be failures otherwise. I like the idea of staying with the stock > 3.89 if it is not ridiculously uncompetitive and then moving to the welded > diff later. Seems like an economical progression too. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson From chasgee at aol.com Wed Jan 16 13:39:15 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:39:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> Or you could just buy mine and skip all of this development stuff. ;). Chuck On Jan 16, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > I appreciate all the advice and comments. To round out the picture, I am > converting to a TR6 trans and am replacing the rotoflex system with a much > beefier CV set up. Trying to start with upgraded components where I know > there will be failures otherwise. I like the idea of staying with the stock > 3.89 if it is not ridiculously uncompetitive and then moving to the welded > diff later. Seems like an economical progression too. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > From: sjanzen at me.com > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:50:44 -0500 > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > To: jason at multivintage.com > > Jason raises some excellent points on weak links in the system - my drivetrain > is virtually non-stock, with a TR4-6 transmission (GT6 ones last a couple of > weekends if you are lucky), a modified driveshaft, the welded rear, halfshafts > with spicer u-joints inside and outside, and modified uprights with larger > bearings and Corvair stub axles. > With the exception of the transmission, this is the way the car came to me, as > it was raced in SCCA club racing back in the day. > > > > > On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd > buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like > TSI or similar trusted source) > Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He > went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder > on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will > be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your > driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key > components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how > to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first > season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) > stock diff. > I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. > In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced > choice. > BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between > gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a > "trick" diff. may serve you well. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > ------Original Message------ > From: Charles WATSON > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: FOT List > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But > I > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > to > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > Quaife > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 14:14:50 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:14:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> FOT: It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and Marty Sukey. This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, shipping, ad nauseum. You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not be further runs. As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. Any other ideas? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Joe Alexander Cc: my71spit13 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 16 14:37:19 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:37:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <000001cdf41e$f98c9a70$eca5cf50$@net> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdf41e$f98c9a70$eca5cf50$@net> Message-ID: If anybody needs any large size FOT (or other type) decals, I can do these on a low volume basis for anyone who wants some. Just shoot me an email. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:24 PM To: 'Joe Alexander'; my71spit13 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I would be interested in these items also. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:49 PM To: my71spit13 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email Shawn, good questions. I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can bring you a couple Saturday. Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest style email? Who do I ask about that? Thank you, Shawn Frank _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Jan 16 14:34:45 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I believe those diffs are also available from others - Racestorations are not the sole supplier. TR Enterprises in Nottingham definately can supply and as I've found at a good price. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Jan 2013, at 15:46, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps in > the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who > used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available > through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new diffs > ...as of yet. >> From: horizonracing at msn.com >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >> >> Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply >> because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the > 'breakaway" >> of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a >> breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car > up >> (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it > takes >> to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes > some >> test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" > diff >> I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I >> increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little > extra >> :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. >> CheersTony >>> To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. >>> >>> we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> A. R. E. >>> 645 1st Street >>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>> n197tr4 at cs.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Charles WATSON >>> To: FOT List >>> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am >>> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> >>> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. >> But >>> I >>> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go > back >>> to >>> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >>> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the >>> Quaife >>> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >>> appreciated! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 16 15:01:57 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:01:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > Or you could just buy mine and skip all of this development stuff. ;). > > Chuck > Interesting proposition Eh Watson? > > Of course, Mr. Gee, Although we have no doubts about the quality of your design and potential for performance... We have yet to hear so much as a peep as far as race reports go.(at least here on FoT) It sure looks lovely on paper. Got any wear on that rubber? Rumor has it you are busy with work and have not had much free time to get that baby out on track? How's that sweet looking coupe performing? Look at this Gaggle of interested geese! If you get a chance, Can you give us any update on that gt6.... anything since the book came out? How does it compare with your Cup winning spitfire for example? Sorry to bother but its really cold out here and all some of us can do right now is TALK about Racing. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 15:03:58 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:03:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD now TR ENTERPRISES In-Reply-To: References: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC24C84D5A1DD-1260-3F32E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Yes, TR ENTERPRISES AND Simon Watson, Parts Manager for TR Enterprises will be one of our UK Guests at KCUP 2013. This would be a good time to ask him about these and other parts that are available thru TR ENTERPRISES. Jon Wood, who is a Master Triumph Wrench for our race cars will be coming, as well. The Kastner Cup at Road America is going to be a very good place to be in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: TR4 Tony To: Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: ; ; Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD I believe those diffs are also available from others - Racestorations are not the sole supplier. TR Enterprises in Nottingham definately can supply and as I've found at a good price. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Jan 2013, at 15:46, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps in > the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who > used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available > through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new diffs > ...as of yet. >> From: horizonracing at msn.com >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >> >> Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply >> because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the > 'breakaway" >> of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a >> breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car > up >> (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it > takes >> to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes > some >> test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" > diff >> I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I >> increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little > extra >> :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. >> CheersTony >>> To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. >>> >>> we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> A. R. E. >>> 645 1st Street >>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>> n197tr4 at cs.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Charles WATSON >>> To: FOT List >>> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am >>> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> >>> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. >> But >>> I >>> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go > back >>> to >>> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >>> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the >>> Quaife >>> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >>> appreciated! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:29:46 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:29:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8E2CAD6A-A479-4425-8CC2-45A3A51CA474@aol.com> I have an extra stick diff if anyone is interested. Chris On Jan 16, 2013, at 4:34 PM, TR4 Tony wrote: > I believe those diffs are also available from others - Racestorations are not > the sole supplier. TR Enterprises in Nottingham definately can supply and as > I've found at a good price. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 16 Jan 2013, at 15:46, Tony and Annie Garmey > wrote: > >> I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps > in >> the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who >> used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available >> through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new > diffs >> ...as of yet. >>> From: horizonracing at msn.com >>> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply >>> because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the >> 'breakaway" >>> of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a >>> breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car >> up >>> (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it >> takes >>> to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes >> some >>> test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" >> diff >>> I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I >>> increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little >> extra >>> :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. >>> CheersTony >>>> To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>>> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>>> >>>> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. >>>> >>>> we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> A. R. E. >>>> 645 1st Street >>>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>>> n197tr4 at cs.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Charles WATSON >>>> To: FOT List >>>> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am >>>> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>>> >>>> >>>> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. >>> But >>>> I >>>> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go >> back >>>> to >>>> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >>>> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the >>>> Quaife >>>> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >>>> appreciated! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Watson >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:39:48 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:39:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> References: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> I've always run welded diffs in my cars. I don't know about them being the advanced choice, but they are cheap and very effective, especially in light cars like ours. I also have Detroit Lockers that I haven't played with yet. Kas and Barker like them better than welded. If I had one at Portland in the rain a few years ago, the rear end may have been more forgiving and I might not ended in the wall. That's what Jerry Barker tells me anyway. Chuck On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:04 AM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) > Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. > I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. > BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > ------Original Message------ > From: Charles WATSON > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: FOT List > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:46:56 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:46:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> Message-ID: <735259D7-C66A-409A-9453-8A63F3390180@aol.com> I've had it out a few times and its coming along nicely. Still some teething issues with carburetor settings and spring rates but hey, tuning is what it's all about. The last race I finished 8th out of about 35, third in class. Not bad for a relatively new car and not being a regular at the track for a while. The best thing was that nothing broke and I didn't have to fix anything. Just messed with tuning stuff. I plan on getting out a little more this year, including the Cup race at Elkhart. Looks like about a 70% chance that I'll be there. The car should be very developed by then. Chuck On Jan 16, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: >> Or you could just buy mine and skip all of this development stuff. ;). >> >> Chuck >> Interesting proposition Eh Watson? > Of course, Mr. Gee, Although we have no doubts about the quality of your design and potential for performance... We have yet to hear so much as a peep as far as race reports go.(at least here on FoT) > It sure looks lovely on paper. > Got any wear on that rubber? > Rumor has it you are busy with work and have not had much free time to get that baby out on track? > How's that sweet looking coupe performing? > Look at this Gaggle of interested geese! > If you get a chance, Can you give us any update on that gt6.... anything since the book came out? How does it compare with your Cup winning spitfire for example? > > Sorry to bother but its really cold out here and all some of us can do right now is TALK about Racing. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 16:46:56 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:46:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> References: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm very fond of a good LSD, they give you all the traction you're going to get without drama. Lockers are dramatic and affect the handling. I don't see a need to have something more that I need to manage. Welded is fine except for the handling oddities--again, something you have to drive around. I like having the car take care of that stuff so I don't have to. On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > I've always run welded diffs in my cars. I don't know about them being the > advanced choice, but they are cheap and very effective, especially in light > cars like ours. I also have Detroit Lockers that I haven't played with yet. > Kas and Barker like them better than welded. If I had one at Portland in the > rain a few years ago, the rear end may have been more forgiving and I might > not ended in the wall. > > That's what Jerry Barker tells me anyway. > > Chuck > > On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:04 AM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > >> Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, > I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, > like TSI or similar trusted source) >> Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. > (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and > harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you > will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your > driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key > components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how > to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first > season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) > stock diff. >> I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the > table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the > advanced choice. >> BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between > gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a > "trick" diff. may serve you well. >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Charles WATSON >> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> To: FOT List >> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >> Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM >> >> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But > I >> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > to >> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > Quaife >> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >> appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Watson >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com >> >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:58:27 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:58:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have quite a bit of badges and flags. However a second run of each can be done if needed. Chris On Jan 16, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. > > Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and > Marty Sukey. > > This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, > shipping, ad nauseum. > > You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not > be further runs. > > As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY > TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I > am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars > for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some > signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. > > Any other ideas? > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Bock > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: my71spit13 ; fot > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email > > > I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to > you. > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 16 17:24:29 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:24:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm very fond of a good LSD, Quick clarification in regards to this thread. Is there a LSD clutch type for the GT6 currently available? Thanks Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jsclark at live.ca Wed Jan 16 17:40:36 2013 From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:40:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup Message-ID: I'm 90% certain you can add another GT6 to the field for the Kasner Cup, the track is only 16 hours from Ottawa and if she stays together for the 2013 season I'll be there, sounds like it's going to be a blast!Jeff Clark71 Gt6 #56 From igofaster at att.net Wed Jan 16 18:54:30 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:54:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <15C0F216E1BF4DA598B4CE95D3AD97BF@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com><5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net><1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <15C0F216E1BF4DA598B4CE95D3AD97BF@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1358387670.35851.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> put some pix on tonight... I agree... if you aren't on facebook it's okay to cross over to the light... Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, January 15, 2013 4:19:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Ding ding ding ding..... We have a winner!!! Our Facebook page seems perfect for what we are talking about here, and it's already up and running. Do we really need more? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edward Dunn" >Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com >> >> here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jan 16 19:09:27 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:09:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Message-ID: <20aa2.178ee217.3e28b757@aol.com> Yeah, this thread has gotten confusing with the TR crowd answering a small chassis question. It's all good stuff but can get confusing. The two are not interchangable so maybe any subsequent responders could clarify the size they are referring to. Cuz I like reading about it all....;-)) In a message dated 1/16/2013 4:25:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jason at multivintage.com writes: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm very fond of a good LSD, Quick clarification in regards to this thread. Is there a LSD clutch type for the GT6 currently available? Thanks Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 16 19:43:10 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <20aa2.178ee217.3e28b757@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130117024310.MM9OQ.5060.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> > Quick clarification in regards to this thread. > Is there a LSD clutch type for the GT6 currently available? Bastuck has one listed on their Spit/GT6/Vitesse page, part number D200SPT. I assume that means it will fit a GT6, but I don't claim to know. Unfortunately it seems that direct links don't work, and their web site is a bit difficult to navigate. But here is a starting point: http://www.bastuck.de/ Randall From igofaster at att.net Wed Jan 16 19:44:19 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:44:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1358390659.15323.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> free beer for everybody ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 16, 2013 3:17:01 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA FOT: It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and Marty Sukey. This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, shipping, ad nauseum. You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not be further runs. As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. Any other ideas? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Joe Alexander Cc: my71spit13 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 19:50:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <1358390659.15323.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <1358390659.15323.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC2749A47155E-1260-4256B@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> free beer for everybody ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ FRIDAY nite at the KCUP is free beer nite for all drivers and crew............... From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 16, 2013 3:17:01 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA FOT: It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and Marty Sukey. This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, shipping, ad nauseum. You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not be further runs. As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. Any other ideas? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Joe Alexander Cc: my71spit13 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Jan 16 20:10:39 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:10:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1358392239.19296.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Robert: The sad thing is there are no $1,000.00 axles out there. The options are the axles Joe Siam sells, for I believe, north of $2,000, and the ones I designed for Summer's Brothers which were around $1,200 the last time I ordered a couple of sets in 2006-2007. IMHO I would not buy the Summer's Brothers axles anymore. After I gave them permission to use my design and build as they required they changed the design to; in my opinion, a inferior design with cheaper, smaller bearings. The first twenty or so sets were as we wanted, but the last two sets were pure junk. The original thought with the Summer's axles was to make a reasonably priced one piece axle using a Triumph lower trunnion modified for bigger bearings that could be bolted on with no other mods. We were successful with that, but, smaller bearings were substituted and the retainer ring was changed. The last two sets have had problems. If I were buying a set of Spitfire axles today I would buy the ones from Joe S. This coming from the guy that designed the ones that Summer's sells. Joe's are a far superior design. Everything is enlarged beyond the minimal safe requirements, and although it uses custom parts instead of Stanpart trunnions and vertical links it does not require mods to your car. Scott: Buy the ones from Joe S. -Ed Barnard- --- On Wed, 1/16/13, Robert M. Lang wrote: From: Robert M. Lang Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles To: "Scott Starkweather" Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 8:19 AM Hi, Russ was quicker on the draw than I this morning. And he's 100% correct. $1000 for axles is a heck of a lot cheaper than getting another car. And the car isn't the only thing that can get hurt when "things go wild". This is serious stuff. And it's "safety related". Don't cheap out here, please. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu Jan 17 05:58:47 2013 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 06:58:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles Message-ID: I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved to race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type this if it had been there. I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle breaks the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Jan 17 06:48:18 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002001cdf4b9$4e8bbc00$eba33400$@rr.com> It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a number of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was being offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved to race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type this if it had been there. I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle breaks the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 17 09:52:39 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:52:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles References: <002001cdf4b9$4e8bbc00$eba33400$@rr.com> Message-ID: Contact Joe Siam..he may be up for making a set..he's with FOT RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" ; Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles > It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a > number > of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was > being > offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff > you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles > > I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros > axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again > and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved > to > race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 > rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it > was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in > 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type > this > if it had been there. > I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. > Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle > breaks > the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jan 17 13:19:52 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:19:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit gt6 diff Message-ID: <7D1DE468-C7DD-4F6B-B25B-3CAF57D55B4D@aol.com> Amici. Can a spit diff (FH) be used in a GT6? Can 2 extra studs be drilled into the case? Thanks Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 17 13:36:12 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:36:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com>, , <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> , <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I just received a complimentary copy of TRIUMPH WORLD.....mentioned by Bill Dentinger, recently. It has become quite a substantial magazine. I marvel at how much goes on in the UK, regarding the TR MARQUE, when you consider a reported 90% was exported from the UK, elsewhere. John Clancy has provided a link to TRIUMPH WORLD for a digital version. (see below) John and his wife are hoping to include the KCUP 2013 in their travel plans this year. We are working on this with them. John has some amazing documentary DVDs in the works. Well worth supporting John in his efforts. check out www,triumphdvd.co.uk and the trailers. Anyway, this digital issue contains an extensive interview with Kas Kastner and a second installment will be available next month. Like I said, TRIUMPH WORLD has become a pretty meaty magazine....and you might be in it, and dont know it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Clancy To: Joe Alexander Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:57 am Subject: RE: Repair Panel Installation Guide - NRP DVD Simon Goldsworthy the editor of Triumph World sent both you and Kas a copy of the mag. It's not very well known in America which is a shame. However, they recently started producing it as a download and the current issue is here - http://www.pocketmags.com/viewmagazine.aspx?titleid=662&title=Triumph+World - perhaps next time you send out an email to the FOT list it might be an idea to mention this digital version. With this issue and the next it will be entirely relevant too because Kas is in them. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jan 17 13:43:04 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:43:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com>, , <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> , <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50F86258.8000702@bradakis.com> I used to subscribe, but the company that was acting as the US distributor screwed something up, I don't recall the exact circumstances. Maybe I'll get around to signing up again. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 17 13:50:43 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:50:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: <50F86258.8000702@bradakis.com> References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com>, , <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> , <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> <50F86258.8000702@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CFC30B73535314-978-48E10@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> I had a subscription at one time and we had a US correspondent that was an FOT. I let the subscription lapse... Now, with John Clancy, we have a new connection with the magazine. I am sure he will continue to contribute to TRIUMPH WORLD. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD I used to subscribe, but the company that was acting as the US distributor screwed something up, I don't recall the exact circumstances. Maybe I'll get around to signing up again. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 17 13:53:55 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:53:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com> <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1318628A-3064-4EFE-8F7F-9C3118B089EC@austin.rr.com> We buy the magazine and distribute them at club meetings to 9 "subscribers". That made us a dealer. We get a box every few months and collect in ) month increments. I think it is $4.50 an issue this way. It would work if you have a club with regular meetings. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > I just received a complimentary copy of TRIUMPH WORLD.....mentioned by Bill > Dentinger, recently. It has become quite a substantial magazine. I marvel at > how much goes on in the UK, regarding the TR MARQUE, when you consider a > reported 90% was exported from the UK, elsewhere. > > John Clancy has provided a link to TRIUMPH WORLD for a digital version. (see > below) John and his wife are hoping to include the KCUP 2013 in their travel > plans this year. We are working on this with them. John has some amazing > documentary DVDs in the works. Well worth supporting John in his efforts. > check out www,triumphdvd.co.uk and the trailers. > > Anyway, this digital issue contains an extensive interview with Kas Kastner > and a second installment will be available next month. Like I said, TRIUMPH > WORLD has become a pretty meaty magazine....and you might be in it, and dont > know it. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Clancy > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:57 am > Subject: RE: Repair Panel Installation Guide - NRP DVD > > > Simon Goldsworthy the editor of Triumph World sent both you and Kas a copy of > the mag. It's not very well known in America which is a shame. However, they > recently started producing it as a download and the current issue is here - > http://www.pocketmags.com/viewmagazine.aspx?titleid=662&title=Triumph+World - > perhaps next time you send out an email to the FOT list it might be an idea to > mention this digital version. With this issue and the next it will be > entirely relevant too because Kas is in them. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Thu Jan 17 17:31:16 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:31:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks Message-ID: <7AC8408F-9690-41D8-BFB1-1B32E2A7529B@charter.net> From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Jan 17 17:33:32 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:33:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks In-Reply-To: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> Message-ID: <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: Jerry Barr To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From jeffwhall at aol.com Thu Jan 17 19:59:45 2013 From: jeffwhall at aol.com (jeffwhall at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> Message-ID: <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Hay guys, Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? Jeff Hall -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: Jerry Barr To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jan 17 20:08:26 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:08:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jeffwhall at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires Hay guys, Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? Jeff Hall -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: Jerry Barr To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Jan 17 20:39:59 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:39:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles In-Reply-To: <002001cdf4b9$4e8bbc00$eba33400$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1358480399.81989.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Russ: Yes, as you said they have changed hands...many times. When I designed them after our meet at MO in 2002, Mrs Summers still owned the company, and retained it through the first two or three orders. After that it went to another group whom I had no problem getting good product from. After them, in about 2006, it went to two guys with manufacturing backgrounds. It was at this time that things started to fall apart. It took about 6-8 months to get the last pair from these guys. It may have sold again since then. Just to clarify things; Summers can build good stuff. When Joe Siam started with his design, about the same time I was trying to get the last pair, Joe was bringing his design out. His axles were being made by Summers, and we were competing for production time. I don't know if Joe still uses Summers to make the axles for his conversion, but, the axles were not the weak point of my design. It was the bearing change. Besides, Joe's axles are designed with a much greater safety margin. The axles I designed filled a need until someone was willing to jump in with something better. -Ed- --- On Thu, 1/17/13, Spitfire Racing wrote: From: Spitfire Racing Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 7:48 AM It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a number of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was being offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved to race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type this if it had been there. I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle breaks the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 17 21:06:39 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:06:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles References: <1358480399.81989.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When i got mine from Joe Siam he told me that lubing before each race weekend is extreemely important. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" ; ; "Spitfire Racing" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles > Russ: > Yes, as you said they have changed hands...many times. When I designed > them > after our meet at MO in 2002, Mrs Summers still owned the company, and > retained it through the first two or three orders. After that it went to > another group whom I had no problem getting good product from. After them, > in > about 2006, it went to two guys with manufacturing backgrounds. It was at > this > time that things started to fall apart. It took about 6-8 months to get > the > last pair from these guys. It may have sold again since then. > Just to clarify things; Summers can build good stuff. When Joe Siam > started > with his design, about the same time I was trying to get the last pair, > Joe > was bringing his design out. His axles were being made by Summers, and we > were > competing for production time. I don't know if Joe still uses Summers to > make > the axles for his conversion, but, the axles were not the weak point of my > design. It was the bearing change. Besides, Joe's axles are designed with > a > much greater safety margin. The axles I designed filled a need until > someone > was willing to jump in with something better. > -Ed- > > > --- On Thu, 1/17/13, Spitfire Racing wrote: > > > From: Spitfire Racing > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles > To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" , > fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 7:48 AM > > > It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a > number > of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was > being > offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff > you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles > > I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros > axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again > and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved > to > race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 > rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it > was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in > 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type > this > if it had been there. > I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. > Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle > breaks > the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From clw2000 at msn.com Fri Jan 18 07:17:49 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:17:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur>, <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur>, <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Check out Acme Speed Shop, here in Greenville SC. They are a dealer for VTO and can custom order or have a stock fitting. I know the owner (Hap) and he is a well known MG vintage racer. www.acmespeedshop.com Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; jerrybarr at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Jan 18 07:25:39 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:25:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Amici Just say I was going to use joes rear axles and aluminum hubs for the front of my spit. Would it be easier to change the bolt pattern to a more common pattern to be able to use more accessible rims? If so what would the bolt pattern be? Chris On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Charles WATSON wrote: > Check out Acme Speed Shop, here in Greenville SC. They are a dealer for VTO > and can custom order or have a stock fitting. I know the owner (Hap) and he > is a well known MG vintage racer. www.acmespeedshop.com > > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > >> To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; jerrybarr at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net >> From: jeffwhall at aol.com >> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 -0500 >> Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires >> >> Hay guys, >> >> Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? >> >> Jeff Hall >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barr, Scott >> To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends >> >> Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks >> >> >> Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. >> >> Scott B. >> >> Scott Barr >> McCarty Law LLP >> (920) 257-2233 >> www.mccarty-law.com >> >> >> -----Original message----- >> From: Jerry Barr >> To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" >> Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 >> Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From jkhagen at charter.net Fri Jan 18 07:32:25 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:32:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires Message-ID: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even TR-3-4. Has anyone have to upgrade these? Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. Have seen it done through my TVR experience. Comments? John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street > T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options > (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: > ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Jan 18 10:30:56 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:30:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Triumph GT6 front springs and shocks Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Dad seems to be having some trouble posting to the list at the moment. Here's what he wanted to ask: "I am rebuilding the front shocks and springs on my #59 Red 68 GT6 What are you GT6 guys using?" Editor's Note: Dad's rebuilding the suspension on his GT6 racer, last revised in 2002. He's got in hand a set of Carrera shocks (adjustable ride-height fronts and regular rears) which are worn out and has investigated the replacement of just the shock component. It appears that's fairly expensive. He's also got a set of Spax shocks, again ride-height adjustable in front. But the Carrera springs may not work with the Spax spring seat. Anyway, he's looking for opinions on what's out there now for GT6s. Scott B. From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jan 18 17:04:10 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:04:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> Message-ID: <50F9E2FA.8000601@pobox.com> I bought a couple of grill badges during the original offering. Now that my TR250 is restored, I'm ready to mount one and can't decide how I should do it. Do you have any examples (photos) or suggestions for mounting these badges. I want to give FoT maximum exposure on this beautiful TR250. Larry On 1/16/2013 1:55 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to > you. > > > Chris From rikrock at live.com Sat Jan 19 12:37:00 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:37:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: John, The only use of GT6 front axles I have seen on a TVR was done on the earlier (pre-1972) models, and it required use of a GT6 vertical link and custom-made hubs to accomodate the 4x4-1/2" pattern (same as big TR) on the wheels. Gt6 axles are larger diameter, even in the tapered section which fits in the upright, and they won't fit in the Spitfire/Herald uprights used on the (pre-72) Vixens and Granturas . They won't go in the TR6 upright used on the post-1972 TVR's either. Through the 60's and 70's used the Tr4-6 front axles and hubs. Most interesting is that those front axles fit in the Herald/Spitfire uprights! I suppose if a GT6 driver wanted to use a wheel with a 4-1/2" bolt circle instead of the stock 3-3/4" they might consider trying to adapt a TR4-6 front hub. Is that what you have seen done? Rich Rock > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:32:25 -0500 > From: jkhagen at charter.net > To: jason at multivintage.com > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different > [beefier] than even TR-3-4. Has anyone have to upgrade these? Make > any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and > use TR-4 hubs etc etc. Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve > concept. Have seen it done through my TVR experience. Comments? John > Hagen > > . From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 11:03:01 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:03:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT DECALS-AVAILABLE THE FOT "COAT OF ARMS" a matter of pride. Message-ID: <8CFC54F854AC998-1C6C-1D3A9@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I went to 'SIGNS BY TOMORROW' and got a quote for 100 3" x 3" FOT surface mount decals. I sense there is a pent up demand for decals......and would like to address this. TWO DECALS for $10.00 delivered......$3.00 for each additional decal. A bargain. Give me your address and quantity. I will send right away. It's up to you to get me the cash for the FOT account. I have bubble pak envelopes ready and fill and address...... while I am watching Speed Channel. This week would be a good week to do it......You can make checks to FOT. We have a non-organization account. BTW, while I was at SIGNS BY TOMORROW, I inquired about a sign showing the names of the folks who are "sponsoring" the 2013 Kastner Cup. For about $25 I can get a very nice weather proof sign with a wire stand to push into the ground. If you are a "commercial" entity and your business benefits from the FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH in some way, you may want to make an 'unsolicited contribution' and get your name on this sign......any funds not expended in 2013 will rollover to 2014. Right now I have about 21 private individuals who have made a contribution to the Kastner Cup Series. Joe Alexander F.O.T. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jan 20 12:51:18 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:51:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Need Help References: <84cb8b49-9a08-4a23-b25b-33435a817ac0@blur> Message-ID: Afternoon all, See below request for a copy of the current Victory Lane magazine. Anybody care to give up their copy when they're done with it? This one has a Road America ad on the inside of the front cover featuring a beloved 944. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: "rhgjr944 at new.rr.com" To: "bnbsnive at charter.net" , "john.jung at comcast.net" , "john.krebs at jsdinc.com" , "esandsnes at royaloakengineering.com" , "dan.nicotera at dresser.com" , "racefiesta at yahoo.com" , "gail.woelfle at tdstelecom.com" , "woody_53 at charter.net" , "racefiesta at yahoo.com" , "fanghornforest at gmail.com" , "RSandsnes at glhec.org" , "mbsam at tds.net" , "cooper at tbc.net" , "cricket3skd at comcast.net" , "2jw9boldt1 at comcast.net" <2jw9boldt1 at comcast.net>, "Barr, Scott" , "jsnively at charter.net" , "REWoelfle at gmail.com" , "saccameno at aol.com" , "kwpw at charter.net" , "garygret at sbcglobal.net" , "rakowski at facstaff.wisc.edu" , "jjbraatz at charter.net" , "racestaffer at yahoo.com" , "robin131 at centurytel.net" , "martinwjus at sbcglobal.net" , "A1Dave at centurytel.net" , "robin131 at centurytel.net" , "teutter at sbcglobal.net" , "dnicoter at voyager.net" , "ray.jackson.madison at gmail.com" , "pamartin at macneil.com" Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 18:41:46 GMT+00:00 Subject: Need Help Hi all- I found out from the guy who bought the ARMS Motorsports collection, Matt Jenson, that there is an ad for Road America on the inside front cover of the current Victory Lane magazine that has a picture of the ARMS flagship red 944 in it. Matt doesn't want to give up his copy, and I have checked the local bookstores with no luck. Does anyone get this mag, and would you be willing to give it up? Or know where I might get my hands on a copy? Thanks, Rick From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 13:14:46 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 lives again! Message-ID: <128790365.114779.1358712886512.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello Friends, I'm excited to share with you the news that my TR3 is finally together and running. As far as I know it hasn't run since 1975 and the restoration/ race car build has taken me a long 57 months. I have a few small details to attend to before I can drive it, but I made it through the initial start up and break-in period last Friday night with the much needed assistance of Greg Solow. It started instantly, ran great and sounds amazing. Thanks again Greg. I have been honored to have Greg standing by and sharing his expertise during the most important steps of the motor build and he worked some real magic with carb tuning during the start up. Oh, the things that I have learned. I would of course like to thank to all my Friends of Triumph for the encouragement, inspiration and sharing of much needed parts and information during this process. I would really be lost without you all and may have never made it to this point. I love my TR, Dave H. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 13:56:10 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:56:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent books. I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have thought there was the potential for contribution. Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Michael Haberthur To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a wonderful group supporting Triumphs. On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the original 'charter'. we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. thanks for being interested...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Haberthur To: Joe Alexander References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> I tend to think in terms of increasing interest in Triumph competition. At car shows I like to encourage folks to sit in our cars, touch them and even start them up. I'm interested in getting more folks interested regardless of whether they currently race or not. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:56 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > FOT: > > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Jan 20 14:24:00 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:24:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@w ebmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: I think that if he is allowed to join he will eventually get into a TR. Chris On Jan 20, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > I tend to think in terms of increasing interest in Triumph competition. At car > shows I like to encourage folks to sit in our cars, touch them and even start > them up. I'm interested in getting more folks interested regardless of > whether they currently race or not. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:56 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> FOT: >> >> I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got >> a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown >> and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent >> books. >> >> I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have >> thought there was the potential for contribution. >> >> Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander >> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> >> Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was > putting >> myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our > country. >> How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other >> than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks >> anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a >> wonderful group supporting Triumphs. >> >> On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. >> >> i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on > the >> original 'charter'. >> >> we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. >> >> thanks for being interested...... >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> OK I know I'm pushing i... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 14:25:11 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:25:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! References: <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: <627109AD52474D73ADC76737A9FA7A76@Bud> I vote to admit him to FOT..He's got the '\Spirit' Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! >I tend to think in terms of increasing interest in Triumph competition. At >car > shows I like to encourage folks to sit in our cars, touch them and even > start > them up. I'm interested in getting more folks interested regardless of > whether they currently race or not. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:56 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> FOT: >> >> I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got >> a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown >> and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent >> books. >> >> I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we >> have >> thought there was the potential for contribution. >> >> Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander >> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> >> Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was > putting >> myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our > country. >> How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later >> other >> than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks >> anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a >> wonderful group supporting Triumphs. >> >> On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. >> >> i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on > the >> original 'charter'. >> >> we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. >> >> thanks for being interested...... >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> OK I know I'm pushing i... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Jan 20 14:34:58 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:34:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! Message-ID: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> In a message dated 01/20/2013 2:56:17 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where > we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. Read BELOW and tell us > all what you think. Joe... Why don't I contact him off list and encourage him to reapply, claiming to be building a Triumph race car. That way you don't have to bend the rules, and God knows bending truth is not a sin around here. Bill (Damdinger) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 20 14:38:13 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:38:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> Message-ID: And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Damdinger) From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 14:43:36 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:43:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Actually, he was presented to the ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, and was on Board of Directors of STANDARD TRIUMPH.....how's that? He could be on Bill Dentinger's crew. Bill needs his shift knob polished. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: BillDentin Cc: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Damdinger) From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 20 14:46:59 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50FC65D3.3030200@bradakis.com> At the very least have him check out http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo as he may be interested in some of the Triumph related lists there. mjb. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 20 14:52:10 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:52:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I dunno, didn't they run the biz into the ground? :) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Actually, he was presented to the ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, and was on Board of Directors of STANDARD TRIUMPH.....how's that? > > He could be on Bill Dentinger's crew. Bill needs his shift knob polished. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: BillDentin > Cc: n197tr4 ; fot > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! > > And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Damdinger) From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 15:00:55 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:00:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC570C1719BE9-1C6C-1E45B@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> I knew that was coming back to me..... :-) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: Joe Alexander Cc: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! I dunno, didn't they run the biz into the ground? :) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: Actually, he was presented to the ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, and was on Board of Directors of STANDARD TRIUMPH.....how's that? He could be on Bill Dentinger's crew. Bill needs his shift knob polished. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: BillDentin Cc: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Damdinger) From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 20 15:38:35 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:38:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1358721515.56746.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joe See what Henry has to say. I'll say the opposite. D > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You > can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. > He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four > of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past > where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. > Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club > stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years > defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no > time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on > lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a > donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" > wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the > past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay > the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, > journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 16:25:22 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:25:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 Message-ID: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Please welcome Mike Haberthur to this list. There has been more than sufficient support for his addition. Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Now that he has his feet back on the ground, his passion is for TRIUMPHS and the people that have raced them. He lives in Reno with his wife Dee. He hopes to join us at KCUP 2013 with his wife. He wants to spend some of his money, then, otherwise it will all go to his daughter's wedding, the end of September. Mark, please add Mike. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun Jan 20 17:14:42 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:14:42 +1000 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires Message-ID: we have front hubs from the T2000 saloon range on our race GT6. They have the big 4 x 4.5" bolt pattern. we also have T2000 matching rear on a Mk2 GT6. That was a custom bearing job to adapt the drive flange and stub axle into Mk2 GT6 housing (along with discs). I have a sets of these 4 sale if anyone is interested, but its post from Australia Terry From kaskas at cox.net Sun Jan 20 17:53:36 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:53:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com>, , , <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>, , , <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com>, , , , <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>, , , <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops. aol.com>, , <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: He sent me an Email asking for help in getting to the racing part of the world. I suggested he ask on the FOT for help in that as I have not experienced that in 50 years. It sounded to me as if he wanted to "go racing". Never be beaten by equipment > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:56:10 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! > > FOT: > > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Jan 20 18:08:33 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:08:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 In-Reply-To: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1F7E26BF-3BAD-4E10-9B31-C902C5EA4AA9@aol.com> Amici Glad you have been accepted to the FOT. Hopefully I will be able to get to the KCUP 2013 and meet you. Thank you for serving. Chris On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Please welcome Mike Haberthur to this list. > > There has been more than sufficient support for his addition. > > Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Now that he has his feet back on > the ground, his passion is for TRIUMPHS and the people that have raced them. > He lives in Reno with his wife Dee. > > He hopes to join us at KCUP 2013 with his wife. He wants to spend some of his > money, then, otherwise it will all go to his daughter's wedding, the end of > September. > > Mark, please add Mike. Thanks! > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 18:14:26 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:14:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 H6 vs HS6 carbs Message-ID: <1358730866.57873.YahooMailNeo@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have been running HS6 carbs since I got the car back on the track. They are fully sorted with time on the Dyno. With that said (I had a few posts on FOT about this over the last 6 months) I thought I had a carb problem with some weird loading up in left hand turns coming off a full fast throttle. I did a leak down and found it was a blown head gasket between cylinders (no over heading or lost water). While thinking I had a carb problem before figuring out the head issue I found a nice set of H6 carbs that I have been working on. Most of the NW FOT racers are using H6 carbs. Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks!!! Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 18:15:59 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:15:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 References: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <1F7E26BF-3BAD-4E10-9B31-C902C5EA4AA9@aol.com> Message-ID: Welcome Mike! Racer Bud.. Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Bock" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 > Amici > > Glad you have been accepted to the FOT. > > Hopefully I will be able to get to the KCUP 2013 and meet you. > > Thank you for serving. > > Chris > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Please welcome Mike Haberthur to this list. >> >> There has been more than sufficient support for his addition. >> >> Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Now that he has his feet back > on >> the ground, his passion is for TRIUMPHS and the people that have raced > them. >> He lives in Reno with his wife Dee. >> >> He hopes to join us at KCUP 2013 with his wife. He wants to spend some of > his >> money, then, otherwise it will all go to his daughter's wedding, the end >> of >> September. >> >> Mark, please add Mike. Thanks! >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 20 18:18:03 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:18:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front springs and shocks In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <7BD01AA6-74CA-4706-B478-2700ED0EF864@me.com> hi - my car came with to me with the Spax, but they were worn out. I replaced the front ones with the rebound-adjustable Carreras - alum body, got them from Ted. Seems to me he told me they are now marketed under a different name. They were as cheap as any other coil-over I could find, and I have been happy with them. I replaced the rear ones with a Spax set a few years ago, which are adjustable for stiffness. The car came with these crazy 700 lb front springs. On the advice of Steve Smith, I went to a softer rate, 550 lb by 8" Eibachs with a 1" front bar. Seems to work well for me. On Jan 18, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: Dad seems to be having some trouble posting to the list at the moment. Here's what he wanted to ask: "I am rebuilding the front shocks and springs on my #59 Red 68 GT6 What are you GT6 guys using?" Editor's Note: Dad's rebuilding the suspension on his GT6 racer, last revised in 2002. He's got in hand a set of Carrera shocks (adjustable ride-height fronts and regular rears) which are worn out and has investigated the replacement of just the shock component. It appears that's fairly expensive. He's also got a set of Spax shocks, again ride-height adjustable in front. But the Carrera springs may not work with the Spax spring seat. Anyway, he's looking for opinions on what's out there now for GT6s. Scott B. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 20 18:28:09 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <1FC9937A-D158-4505-A7DB-D3A9EADCE66A@me.com> I'm running the chromoly spindles sourced from Joe Siam, along with his alloy hubs. switched to the hubs when a bearing race started spinning in one of the stock ones. you can use Toyo R888, 205/60-13 tires if you want radials. They almost last too long - there's still plenty of tread left after several race weekends, but after a certain number of heat cycles (I need to count this) they lose some grip. Still drivable, but definitely not as good. A lot of the spridget people seem to run them too, though 185s, and I have seen a Yenko Corvair running 13" wheels with the same tire. There's not much else out there that fits - some very expensive Avons are all that I have found. On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:32 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even TR-3-4. Has anyone have to upgrade these? Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. Have seen it done through my TVR experience. Comments? John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Sun Jan 20 18:33:25 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:33:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front springs and shocks In-Reply-To: <7BD01AA6-74CA-4706-B478-2700ED0EF864@me.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <7BD01AA6-74CA-4706-B478-2700ED0EF864@me.com> Message-ID: <38766975-1956-480E-91D8-C4D7E7CB0DA1@charter.net> Ted is looking for a replacement for my old Carreras. One of the front shocks has a little dead spot of about .5"in both directions. I don't know much about shocks but the Carreras have screw in the bottom of the body that looks like a fill hole to me. I never saw any leakage on them and they worked very well so I am wondering if it is possible to change fluid and use them. The fluid is very dark or maybe burned. Any thoughts on that? On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > hi - my car came with to me with the Spax, but they were worn out. I replaced the front ones with the rebound-adjustable Carreras - alum body, got them from Ted. Seems to me he told me they are now marketed under a different name. They were as cheap as any other coil-over I could find, and I have been happy with them. I replaced the rear ones with a Spax set a few years ago, which are adjustable for stiffness. > The car came with these crazy 700 lb front springs. On the advice of Steve Smith, I went to a softer rate, 550 lb by 8" Eibachs with a 1" front bar. Seems to work well for me. > > On Jan 18, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > > Dad seems to be having some trouble posting to the list at the moment. Here's > what he wanted to ask: > > "I am rebuilding the front shocks and springs on my #59 Red 68 GT6 What are > you GT6 guys using?" > > Editor's Note: Dad's rebuilding the suspension on his GT6 racer, last revised > in 2002. He's got in hand a set of Carrera shocks (adjustable ride-height > fronts and regular rears) which are worn out and has investigated the > replacement of just the shock component. It appears that's fairly expensive. > He's also got a set of Spax shocks, again ride-height adjustable in front. > But the Carrera springs may not work with the Spax spring seat. > > Anyway, he's looking for opinions on what's out there now for GT6s. > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 19:40:44 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:40:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 H6 vs HS6 carbs In-Reply-To: <1358730866.57873.YahooMailNeo@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358730866.57873.YahooMailNeo@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2448C69A-72D0-47D7-B9B7-5E8F84FFCDC9@yahoo.com> I have had no problems with my HS6s in the turns once I switched to the MG style float bowls. Having floats oriented left to right is not a good design for road racing. Once I changed these out, I no longer have the sputtering and hesitation coming out of any turn. Having only run HS6s, I can't compare, but I do like the HS6s (until I can afford some Mikunis). Ty Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > I have been running HS6 carbs since I got the car back on the track. They are > fully sorted with time on the Dyno. With that said (I had a few posts on FOT > about this over the last 6 months) I thought I had a carb problem with some > weird loading up in left hand turns coming off a full fast throttle. I did a > leak down and found it was a blown head gasket between cylinders (no over > heading or lost water). While thinking I had a carb problem before figuring > out the head issue I found a nice set of H6 carbs that I have been working > on. Most of the NW FOT racers are using H6 carbs. > > Any thoughts would be > welcome. > > Thanks!!! > > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Sun Jan 20 20:08:30 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:08:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops. aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I say ya. Being one of the exceptions, I know I have learned from and enjoy this a lot. I hate to deny another the experience. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > He sent me an Email asking for help in getting to the racing part of the > world. I suggested he ask on the FOT for help in that as I have not > experienced that in 50 years. > It sounded to me as if he wanted to "go racing". > Never be beaten by equipment >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:56:10 -0500 >> Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! >> >> FOT: >> >> I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got >> a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown >> and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent >> books. >> >> I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have >> thought there was the potential for contribution. >> >> Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander >> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> >> Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was > putting >> myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our > country. >> How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other >> than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks >> anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a >> wonderful group supporting Triumphs. >> >> On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. >> >> i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on > the >> original 'charter'. >> >> we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. >> >> thanks for being interested...... >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> OK I know I'm pushing i... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From billb at bnj.com Sun Jan 20 20:34:38 2013 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:34:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <70F20F12-CD54-4CC8-95AD-ABAC28A5935C@bnj.com> Sure. He'll get there Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From triosan at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 21:37:53 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:37:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution Message-ID: spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking it all apart again and reassembling? From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 05:21:18 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:21:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <1358770878.24398.YahooMailNeo@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://www.resonatesolutions.ca/components/com_content/fitns.html Jay Creel From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 21 07:44:16 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:44:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 Message-ID: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> In a message dated 01/20/2013 5:25:33 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Welcome shipmate. I'm a long ago plank owner of the USS Springfield, CLG7 (one of the country's first guided missile cruises, but long since made into razor blades). Bill Dentinger From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 21 08:25:20 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:25:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 References: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> Message-ID: Man Bill, that's a lot of blades! What if you're an electric razor kind of guy? (Which I'm not) Thanks for your service. I was draft bait in late '69 and talked to a Navy rectuiter, but got a high number in the draft lottery later that year. Probably would have done me good to have joined, but.....................who knows. Stay warm, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 > In a message dated 01/20/2013 5:25:33 PM Central Standard Time, > n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > > >> Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. > > Welcome shipmate. I'm a long ago plank owner of the USS Springfield, CLG7 > (one of the country's first guided missile cruises, but long since made > into > razor blades). > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Jan 21 08:39:18 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:39:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50FD6126.1030401@charter.net> Chuck I have had the same problem many times even when using a dummy shaft. I did have some success on the last one by gently moving it into place with a screw driver. Did you use lots of sticky grease on the case side to keep it in place? Glenn On 1/20/2013 11:37 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I > tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging > down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that > little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer > has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot > at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking > it all apart again and reassembling? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jan 21 08:46:52 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:46:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution Message-ID: <86563.6cf45bda.3e2ebcec@aol.com> This'll sound silly but the trick is to set the case in the sun for a while and let the alloy expand for that extra bit of clearance. The 500 watt halogen shop light works very well too! In a message dated 1/21/2013 7:40:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, gaf3 at charter.net writes: Chuck I have had the same problem many times even when using a dummy shaft. I did have some success on the last one by gently moving it into place with a screw driver. Did you use lots of sticky grease on the case side to keep it in place? Glenn On 1/20/2013 11:37 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I > tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging > down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that > little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer > has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot > at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking > it all apart again and reassembling? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From jeff_durant at comcast.net Mon Jan 21 09:08:20 2013 From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:08:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361331279-1358784505-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427932625-@b18.c18.bise6.blackberry> Chuck, This is a fairly common problem when assembling the TR trans. Try flipping the transmission upside down. This will allow the laygear to rest on the mainshaft gears and hopefully take and load off of the thrust washers. Then carefully move the thrust washer into position. I use a small pick through one of the 2x 5/16" layshaft end plate mounting bolts to rotate and position the thrust washer. This has worked for me many times. Give me a call if you get stuck. Jeff D. TR6 #12 TR250 TR4A Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:37:53 To: Friends; Triumph<6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking it all apart again and reassembling? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff_durant at comcast.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jan 21 10:10:37 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires floow up on R888's In-Reply-To: <1FC9937A-D158-4505-A7DB-D3A9EADCE66A@me.com> Message-ID: <40225089.120920.1358788237361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Just FYI, The Toyo RA-1's are viewed as a better tire in the SCCA. In 2011 SCCA/SM went to the R888's as a spec tire but after a ton of negative feedback from the drivers the SCCA went back to the RA-1 for 2012. The RA-1 is an R compound and do in fact get faster as they wear. Spec Miata drivers typically have them shaved way down before they run em. I've used them and am a big fan of the RA-1 and I have no direct experience with the R888 other than other drivers feedback. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: jkhagen at charter.net Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:28:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires I'm running the chromoly spindles sourced from Joe Siam, along with his alloy hubs. B switched to the hubs when a bearing race started spinning in one of the stock ones. you can use Toyo R888, 205/60-13 tires if you want radials. B They almost last too long - there's still plenty of tread left after several race weekends, but after a certain number B of heat cycles (I need to count this) they lose some grip. B Still drivable, but definitely not as good. A lot of the spridget people seem to run them too, though 185s, and I have seen a Yenko Corvair running 13" wheels with the same tire. There's not much else out there that fits - some very expensive Avons are all that I have found. On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:32 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even B TR-3-4. B Has anyone have to upgrade these? B Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. B Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. B Have seen it done through my TVR experience. B Comments? B John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. B I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 21 11:57:22 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:57:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] "GATHERING ON THE GREEN" @ THE KASTNER CUP ROAD AMERICA Message-ID: <8CFC62046B3CD11-204C-1E8A5@webmail-d127.sysops.aol.com> FOT: We will be looking for a fine example of each TRIUMPH MODEL for showing at the GATHERING ON THE GREEN. The GATHERING ON THE GREEN is an invitational car show on late Saturday afternoon, prior to, and during the OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT. This occurs on the expansive lawn of the OSTHOF, our host hotel. We will be looking for both RACE CARS and STREET CARS for consideration. Be thinking about this as this is a very special event. Race cars will be escorted to and from the OSTHOF from the track. I did this a couple of years ago with the AMBRO. It was a hoot. Kas and Peg will be involved, of course. I believe that the cars that are selected, their owners will be eligible for two weekend passes from VSCDA. The FOT will be looking very good for this ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL weekend. More details will follow, but I wanted to give a 'heads up' now. PLAN! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From rikrock at live.com Mon Jan 21 13:06:42 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? Message-ID: I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? Thanks, Rich Rock From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jan 21 13:12:32 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:12:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130121201232.K9B70.24831.root@cdptpa-web38-z02.mail.rr.com> BPW has tri-metal bearings and aluminum bearings. Bob ---- Rich Rock wrote: > I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jan 21 13:16:14 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1559633391.129150.1358799374265.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> BFE has the Clevite 77 rod bearings. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Rock" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:06:42 PM Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? Thanks, Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 21 14:37:08 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:37:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: <1559633391.129150.1358799374265.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1559633391.129150.1358799374265.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <767383A2-7539-4857-900F-1D00C14D7F4E@gdhs.com> We have had no problems with mains from Moss. Use coated rod bearings for our Ford modular rods from Manley. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2013, at 3:16 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > BFE has the Clevite 77 rod bearings. > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rich Rock" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:06:42 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? > > I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mhado at att.net Mon Jan 21 15:10:04 2013 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:10:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution In-Reply-To: <1361331279-1358784505-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427932625-@b18.c18.bise6.blackberry> References: <1361331279-1358784505-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427932625-@b18.c18.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <006301cdf824$10dca860$3295f920$@att.net> Chuck, It looks like you have already had some good suggestions to get the washer back in position. To avoid the problem in the first place, I always first turn the EMPTY casing on end, bell housing down, then put the countershaft temporarily in place. It only has to come up through the hole on the bell housing end. I then put some Loctite on the steel side of the thrust washer and place it over the countershaft and down against the casing. A large socket can serve as a weight to hold the washer in place overnight until it is stuck to the casing. Later you can remove the countershaft and the washer will remain firmly in place (and perfectly centered) while you assemble the rest of the gearbox. This is only for the large thrust washer, of course, since the small one has to go in after the cluster is put in place. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jeff_durant at comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:08 AM To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; Friends; Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution Chuck, This is a fairly common problem when assembling the TR trans. Try flipping the transmission upside down. This will allow the laygear to rest on the mainshaft gears and hopefully take and load off of the thrust washers. Then carefully move the thrust washer into position. I use a small pick through one of the 2x 5/16" layshaft end plate mounting bolts to rotate and position the thrust washer. This has worked for me many times. Give me a call if you get stuck. Jeff D. TR6 #12 TR250 TR4A Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:37:53 To: Friends; Triumph<6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking it all apart again and reassembling? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff_durant at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mhado at att.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jan 21 16:54:54 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:54:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 In-Reply-To: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> References: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> Message-ID: <000801cdf832$b7f62eb0$27e28c10$@com> Boy Bill, for your sake I sure hope it was razor blades and not Pontiac Aztecs!! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:44 AM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 In a message dated 01/20/2013 5:25:33 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Welcome shipmate. I'm a long ago plank owner of the USS Springfield, CLG7 (one of the country's first guided missile cruises, but long since made into razor blades). Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 21 20:32:07 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:32:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do the tri-metal ones from BPNW and then have them ceramic coated. Tony Drews At 02:06 PM 1/21/2013, Rich Rock wrote: >I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? > >Thanks, > >Rich Rock >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 22 00:49:23 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:49:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Message delayed (mark@bradakis.com) Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:40 PM Subject: Message delayed (mark at bradakis.com) > Your message has been delayed and is still awaiting delivery > to the following recipient(s): > > mark at bradakis.com > (Was addressed to mark at bradakis.com) > Message delayed > 450 4.7.1 : Helo command rejected: Host not found > > > No recipients were successfully delivered to. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of ATT00046.dat] Received: from surfnetusa.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.0) with ESMTP id for (AUTH = gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:31 -0800 X-Modus-BlackList: 127.0.0.1=OK;gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 127.0.0.1=YES X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 2, 6 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com" To: mark at bradakis.com Subject: RE: Re: FoT request from Dave H. Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, Thanks for the response. every Email I have sent to you or FOT for about the last 3 months has been rejected as " server not found, " if I remember correctly. I had given up on getting any response. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : Mark J Bradakis[mailto:mark at bradakis.com] Sent : 1/20/2013 3:19:29 PM To : n197tr4 at cs.com Cc : dlhogye at comcast.net; gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Subject : RE: Re: FoT request from Dave H. If Greg is getting bounces back, they should say exactly what the problem is. But like I said, I have no record of his email address sending messages TO Team.Net. mjb. From igofaster at att.net Tue Jan 22 07:53:28 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 06:53:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Circuit of the Americas --COTA-- Message-ID: <1358866408.31163.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> looks like I'm one of the lucky 500 something plus that got registered for the SCCA event at the beautiful Circuit of the Americas F1 track in Austin Texas the second weekend in March...not sure how comfortable my little Triumph butt is going to feel with 85 cars in Group 7 ...wow.... the DLB site has the specifics and entrants list... this should be literally epic.... one of my best friends works NASCAR and has stated it's the nicest facility in the country.....Bobby Whitehead From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 22 10:23:41 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:23:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Sportscar 71.2 February 2013... Message-ID: <4dbd.1a2bd1cb.3e30251c@aol.com> Amici... SCCA's current issue of SPORTSCAR has items of potential interest. The obits for John Fitch, Lanky Foushee, and Bob Youngdahl on pages 64 and 65. Of course Fitch and Foushee are icons and need no highlight here, but many of us ought to have also known SCCA and vintage racer Bob Youngdahl. Bob usually raced a fast Elva Courier, but had a barn full of cars. While a Minnesota native, he also raced on the national scene, especially in Florida, where he had a winter home. His death was particularly sad because it was neither natural nor racing. He was killed unloading his race trailer (hit in the head by the ramp door). I have long been a believer that dealing with towing and trailers is every bit as dangerous as the racing (loading, unloading, changing tires roadside, etc.) we do. There is often a tendency for us to take short cuts or skip safe practice when dealing with tasks that we do over and over again. This especially true when we are alone. Be careful! Finally, glance at page 86 (last page) and the SCCA 'ROOTS' section. There is a black and white picture from the 1983 issue of SPORTSCAR showing what appears to be a very nice TR4A race car covered with snow. There's a racer standing along side in his driver's suit and balaclava...staring up at the sky. No identification info in the caption. Ironically the SCCA decal is displayed upside down on the car (probably something done on purpose in case of a roll over), but that seems to be what the SCCA was preoccupied with. At the time their caption was "It's not nice to fool with your SCCA sticker..." Anyone have any idea who that might be back in 1983? Seems like we ought to know him. The racer's name is listed on the door, but I can't make it out. Bill Dentinger From alfetta95 at optonline.net Tue Jan 22 10:59:03 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:59:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Message-ID: <6e14f1b9.f2afd.13c6369cc3e.Webtop.19@optonline.net> Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jan 22 11:31:07 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (dlhogye at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Message-ID: <236866273.188002.1358879467670.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I bought mine from them and so far it's not leaking. Quick, where is some wood? Dave H. TS46235L Engine TS31005E Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App -----Original Message----- From: Todd Redmond To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Sent: 2013-01-22 17:59:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From robonglen at yahoo.com Tue Jan 22 11:58:40 2013 From: robonglen at yahoo.com (robert greer) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:58:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire MK. 2 parts Message-ID: <1358881120.48718.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'm in the process of doing a frame-off of a 67' Spit Mk.2. Front suspension is nearly complete, but I need new brake calipers. Source? Also, I would like to add negative camber to the rear suspension. Shorter spring? Next come the rear axles; can't disassemble existing after sitting 20 years. Exchange service? This will be a street car as I have already raced 20 years $$$! Other than that, the car is 100% there with minimal rust inside boot valance. Bob Greer @ robonglen @ yahoo.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Jan 22 12:32:03 2013 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sportscar 71.2 February 2013... In-Reply-To: <4dbd.1a2bd1cb.3e30251c@aol.com> References: <4dbd.1a2bd1cb.3e30251c@aol.com> Message-ID: It's Fletcher Williams and the car is a TR250. Sam On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:27 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > SCCA's current issue of SPORTSCAR has items of potential interest. > > The obits for John Fitch, Lanky Foushee, and Bob Youngdahl on pages 64 and > 65. Of course Fitch and Foushee are icons and need no highlight here, but > many of us ought to have also known SCCA and vintage racer Bob Youngdahl. > Bob usually raced a fast Elva Courier, but had a barn full of cars. While a > Minnesota native, he also raced on the national scene, especially in Florida, > where he had a winter home. His death was particularly sad because it was > neither natural nor racing. He was killed unloading his race trailer (hit > in the head by the ramp door). I have long been a believer that dealing with > towing and trailers is every bit as dangerous as the racing (loading, > unloading, changing tires roadside, etc.) we do. There is often a tendency for > us to take short cuts or skip safe practice when dealing with tasks that we > do over and over again. This especially true when we are alone. Be > careful! > > Finally, glance at page 86 (last page) and the SCCA 'ROOTS' section. There > is a black and white picture from the 1983 issue of SPORTSCAR showing what > appears to be a very nice TR4A race car covered with snow. There's a racer > standing along side in his driver's suit and balaclava...staring up at the > sky. No identification info in the caption. Ironically the SCCA decal is > displayed upside down on the car (probably something done on purpose in case > of a roll over), but that seems to be what the SCCA was preoccupied with. At > the time their caption was "It's not nice to fool with your SCCA > sticker..." Anyone have any idea who that might be back in 1983? Seems like we > ought to know him. The racer's name is listed on the door, but I can't make it > out. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 22 13:13:13 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion In-Reply-To: <236866273.188002.1358879467670.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <986889586.168139.1358885593845.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Dave, yeah you should find some wood quick, teak preferrably. Knock four times, turn three times and spit. Then say there's no such thing as a leak free triumph. The last time I said " no leaks " was in Hastings, NE. It was leak free until ten minutes later when I rolled out to the grid and blew my oil cooler and didn't know it. I left a BIG trail for a 1/4 mile through the paddock from the front door of my RV right up to my grid position. Glad I have an accusump. The corner workers that cleaned the mess up still give me the birdB when I pass by or I hear, "hey how's the Exxon Valdeze running these days". jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: dlhogye at comcast.net To: FOT at autox.team.net, "Todd" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:31:07 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion I bought mine from them and so far it's not leaking. B Quick, where is some wood? Dave H. TS46235L Engine TS31005E Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App -----Original Message----- From: Todd Redmond To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Sent: 2013-01-22 17:59:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. B Has anyone used the BPNW part? B Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A B TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue Jan 22 15:11:40 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:11:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion In-Reply-To: <6e14f1b9.f2afd.13c6369cc3e.Webtop.19@optonline.net> Message-ID: As far as I know the rear oil seal conversion provided by BPNW consists of the same parts as provided by the others. These work well but you must have the scroll on the crankshaft ground down to the provided specification and polished for a lip type seal. I have been using the MARX seal setup on the last few engines I have built with great success! With this setup the crankshaft scroll remains and all that is needed is a quick polishing of the rear most surface where the MARX lip seal rides. ARE sells the kit and I believe TRF now handles this kit as well. The existing rear seal (aluminum halves) need to be machined to accept the MARX seal which is not a hard job to do and I built a jig for my mill which does a good job. ARE is also selling new build aluminum seal parts that are already machined. If you have not yet removed the scroll surface from the crankshaft I highly recommend this seal system as it provides the best of both worlds!!! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Todd Redmond Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:59 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 22 15:30:58 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:30:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC707478754B2-11CC-2C45C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Steve, Christian and I are now providing the SCROLL to Chris' specifications in new billet material. While re-manufacturing the old OEM SEALS works well, they consume a lot of time and we are trying phase them out. It got the project started, tho. Now that the volume is up, we are FINALLY arriving in the black after a couple of years of break even. Thanks to Kas, as well, for supporting this project, in his latest book, "KAS KASTNER'S TRIUMPHS. In fact he has an entire chapter on 'avoiding leaks in the wet sleeve engines'. Worth the price of the book, by itself. Thanks for the order, Todd. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott To: 'Todd Redmond' ; FOT Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion As far as I know the rear oil seal conversion provided by BPNW consists of the same parts as provided by the others. These work well but you must have the scroll on the crankshaft ground down to the provided specification and polished for a lip type seal. I have been using the MARX seal setup on the last few engines I have built with great success! With this setup the crankshaft scroll remains and all that is needed is a quick polishing of the rear most surface where the MARX lip seal rides. ARE sells the kit and I believe TRF now handles this kit as well. The existing rear seal (aluminum halves) need to be machined to accept the MARX seal which is not a hard job to do and I built a jig for my mill which does a good job. ARE is also selling new build aluminum seal parts that are already machined. If you have not yet removed the scroll surface from the crankshaft I highly recommend this seal system as it provides the best of both worlds!!! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Todd Redmond Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:59 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Jan 22 16:02:11 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:02:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire MK. 2 parts In-Reply-To: <1358881120.48718.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1358881120.48718.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC70BA4C83690-1234-2E2A5@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> Rob, Calipers are available from most Triumph Parts Suppliers, TRF is offering a rebuilding service for same. As for the rear spring you could have it de-arched a bit, there are spacers that go between the spring and diff ( keep the spring alone ) or could buy a modified spring from the same parts suppliers. As for the rear axles you could ask around if some one has the correct Factory Tool for separating the hub from the axle ( NOTE I would not recommend taking them to a machine shop or bearing shop to perform this task - in 20+ years no one I know has had success, Hubs were ruined ). This Hub Puller Tool is available for sale from a few of the Triumph Parts Suppliers. I have seen some ads from LBC repair shops offering their Rebuilding Service to recondition our Spits axles. I must ask is your car a real Mk2 or a '67 (Mk3) one easy way to tell : Front Bumper below the Grills or above the Front Marker Lights ? Recerch of the Vin Number is the correct way to tell for sure. I ask as there is a difference between the early Mk1 & Mk2 Calipers and the Mk3 & later Calipers. Best O Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: robert greer To: fot Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 2:04 pm Subject: [Fot] Spitfire MK. 2 parts I'm in the process of doing a frame-off of a 67' Spit Mk.2. Front suspension s nearly complete, but I need new brake calipers. Source? Also, I would like o add negative camber to the rear suspension. Shorter spring? Next come the ear axles; can't disassemble existing after sitting 20 years. Exchange ervice? This will be a street car as I have already raced 20 years $$$! ther than that, the car is 100% there with minimal rust inside boot valance. ob Greer @ robonglen @ yahoo.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jan 22 17:38:35 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 Greetings FoT, I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to head clearance assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jan 22 18:46:16 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:46:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Message delayed (mark@bradakis.com) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50FF40E8.9090805@bradakis.com> Greg Solow wrote: >> Your message has been delayed and is still awaiting delivery >> to the following recipient(s): >> >> mark at bradakis.com >> (Was addressed to mark at bradakis.com) >> Message delayed >> 450 4.7.1 : Helo command rejected: Host not found >> Looks like someone at surfnet fixed it, your mail is no longer coming from a computer with bogus address information. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jan 22 19:32:53 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:32:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Impression in the carbon is just right. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > > With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow > 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had > impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Jim Gray" > To: "'FoT Triumph'" > Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 > > Greetings FoT, > > I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to > head clearance > > assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. > > I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 > > Thanks as always, > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 21 10:29:44 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:29:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires floow up on R888's In-Reply-To: <40225089.120920.1358788237361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1FC9937A-D158-4505-A7DB-D3A9EADCE66A@me.com> <40225089.120920.1358788237361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81CA3A@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Hmmm. I have used the RA-1s on the Spitfire in the past, but understood that they were no longer available and that the R888s were the replacement. Maybe the vendor I talked to only had the R888s to sell? I found both the RA-1s and the R888s to be better than the Yokohama A048s, though. And I like all of those better than the Hoosiers. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:11 AM To: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires floow up on R888's Just FYI, The Toyo RA-1's are viewed as a better tire in the SCCA. In 2011 SCCA/SM went to the R888's as a spec tire but after a ton of negative feedback from the drivers the SCCA went back to the RA-1 for 2012. The RA-1 is an R compound and do in fact get faster as they wear. Spec Miata drivers typically have them shaved way down before they run em. I've used them and am a big fan of the RA-1 and I have no direct experience with the R888 other than other drivers feedback. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: jkhagen at charter.net Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:28:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires I'm running the chromoly spindles sourced from Joe Siam, along with his alloy hubs. B switched to the hubs when a bearing race started spinning in one of the stock ones. you can use Toyo R888, 205/60-13 tires if you want radials. B They almost last too long - there's still plenty of tread left after several race weekends, but after a certain number B of heat cycles (I need to count this) they lose some grip. B Still drivable, but definitely not as good. A lot of the spridget people seem to run them too, though 185s, and I have seen a Yenko Corvair running 13" wheels with the same tire. There's not much else out there that fits - some very expensive Avons are all that I have found. On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:32 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even B TR-3-4. B Has anyone have to upgrade these? B Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. B Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. B Have seen it done through my TVR experience. B Comments? B John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street > T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. B I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jan 23 01:37:18 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:37:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Message-ID: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 23 05:11:16 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:11:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Email communication test In-Reply-To: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> References: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <8CFC779E0EB6E91-D20-2E40F@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com> yup Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Solow To: Friends of Triumph ; Mark J Bradakis Cc: davehogye ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 2:37 am Subject: Email communication test This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 06:17:00 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:17:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Email communication test In-Reply-To: <8CFC779E0EB6E91-D20-2E40F@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com> References: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> <8CFC779E0EB6E91-D20-2E40F@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Nice to hear from you, Greg ! On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > yup > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Friends of Triumph ; Mark J Bradakis > > Cc: davehogye ; Joe Alexander > Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 2:37 am > Subject: Email communication test > > > This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was > sent at > 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot > and to Mark. I hope it gets through! > Greg Solow > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From donmarshall at nefcom.net Wed Jan 23 06:25:24 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:25:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Message-ID: Who else is coming to the VDCA event at Road Atlanta next month? Don From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Jan 23 05:52:07 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:52:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi all We run 8 thou with a steel crank , carillo rods. Flat top Venoila pistons and a very modified head on my TR4. As a consequence the engine 'drinks' a little and now and again when fresh and a tiny water seepage can be seen on the middle head studs where there is a bit more pressure, but its a small price to pay. This beds in after a while via gunge movement but teaches you to monitor the levels in the header tanks in the meantime. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jan 2013, at 02:32, Kas Kastner wrote: > Impression in the carbon is just right. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: jaboruch at netzero.net >> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 >> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height >> >> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus > allow >> 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had >> impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Jim Gray" >> To: "'FoT Triumph'" >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height >> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 >> >> Greetings FoT, >> >> I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston > to >> head clearance >> >> assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. >> >> I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 >> >> Thanks as always, >> >> jim g >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Woman is 53 But Looks 25 >> Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tarch at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 23 06:42:30 2013 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:42:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06dd01cdf96f$7dd74b40$7985e1c0$@net> Trusty 'ole TR-4 #196 has signed up for VDCA Road Atlanta. We expect to be blazingly fast! Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:25 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Who else is coming to the VDCA event at Road Atlanta next month? Don _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 23 07:58:24 2013 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:58:24 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: <30791491.1358953104995.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> If any of you are fairly new at this, be warned... With my modified stock crank, Carillo rods, forged Wiseco pistons, and steel-shim head gasket, my piston "kissed" the head at high RPM and I spun a bearing. This happened at the end of a loooooong straight at Auto Club Speedway. There went $1,000 and a bunch of hours. I was trying to achieve close to zero deck height. On the bench, the pistons came up to .003 from the top of the sleeve (this is considered the deck, not the top of the block) Now I'm running one of Mordy's .032 head gaskets for a little more Piston to Head clearance. In one of the older posts, Greg Solow recommends at least .026 total P to H clearance because the stock crank will stretch a little at high rpm and the piston will reach up higher than it does on the engine stand in the garage. ~STEVE -----Original Message----- >From: TR4 Tony >Sent: Jan 23, 2013 4:52 AM >To: Kas Kastner >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > >Hi all > >We run 8 thou with a steel crank , carillo rods. Flat top Venoila pistons and >a very modified head on my TR4. > >As a consequence the engine 'drinks' a little and now and again when fresh and >a tiny water seepage can be seen on the middle head studs where there is a bit >more pressure, but its a small price to pay. This beds in after a while via >gunge movement but teaches you to monitor the levels in the header tanks in >the meantime. > >Regards > >Tony > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 23 Jan 2013, at 02:32, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Impression in the carbon is just right. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >>> From: jaboruch at netzero.net >>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 >>> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> CC: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> >>> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus >> allow >>> 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had >>> impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>> From: "Jim Gray" >>> To: "'FoT Triumph'" >>> Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 >>> >>> Greetings FoT, >>> >>> I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston >> to >>> head clearance >>> >>> assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. >>> >>> I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 >>> >>> Thanks as always, >>> >>> jim g >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Woman is 53 But Looks 25 >>> Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 23 08:24:03 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:24:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Message-ID: Yeah, great to have you back. I have often thought you deserve a nice shiny red apple on your engine desk, after some of your thoughtful well explained posts. Glad u r here again Greg! A real FoT asset. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Greg Solow Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph To: Mark J Bradakis ReplyTo: Greg Solow Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Sent: Jan 23, 2013 2:37 AM This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 23 08:38:01 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:38:01 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <30791491.1358953104995.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30791491.1358953104995.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000901cdf97f$a2174810$e645d830$@com> Man, you are very brave people in USA. I run a total of 0.0511" just in case of a bearing problem. Surviving of the engine in case of something bad is more important to me than 2 HP more caused by more squish. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von steve Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2013 15:58 An: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height If any of you are fairly new at this, be warned... With my modified stock crank, Carillo rods, forged Wiseco pistons, and steel-shim head gasket, my piston "kissed" the head at high RPM and I spun a bearing. This happened at the end of a loooooong straight at Auto Club Speedway. There went $1,000 and a bunch of hours. I was trying to achieve close to zero deck height. On the bench, the pistons came up to .003 from the top of the sleeve (this is considered the deck, not the top of the block) Now I'm running one of Mordy's .032 head gaskets for a little more Piston to Head clearance. In one of the older posts, Greg Solow recommends at least .026 total P to H clearance because the stock crank will stretch a little at high rpm and the piston will reach up higher than it does on the engine stand in the garage. ~STEVE -----Original Message----- >From: TR4 Tony >Sent: Jan 23, 2013 4:52 AM >To: Kas Kastner >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > >Hi all > >We run 8 thou with a steel crank , carillo rods. Flat top Venoila >pistons and a very modified head on my TR4. > >As a consequence the engine 'drinks' a little and now and again when >fresh and a tiny water seepage can be seen on the middle head studs >where there is a bit more pressure, but its a small price to pay. This >beds in after a while via gunge movement but teaches you to monitor the >levels in the header tanks in the meantime. > >Regards > >Tony > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 23 Jan 2013, at 02:32, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Impression in the carbon is just right. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >>> From: jaboruch at netzero.net >>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 >>> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> CC: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> >>> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, >>> plus >> allow >>> 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but >>> had impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>> From: "Jim Gray" >>> To: "'FoT Triumph'" >>> Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 >>> >>> Greetings FoT, >>> >>> I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or >>> piston >> to >>> head clearance >>> >>> assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. >>> >>> I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 >>> >>> Thanks as always, >>> >>> jim g >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Woman is 53 But Looks 25 >>> Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 23 08:54:12 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Email communication test In-Reply-To: <20130123153439.B678E427E5@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1132356072.229466.1358956452852.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hip Hip Hurray ! Yes, a whole bushel basket ...and a couple dozen eggs. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: jason at multivintage.com To: "Greg Solow" , "Friends of Triumph" , "Mark J Bradakis" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:24:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Email communication test Yeah, great to have you back. I have often thought you deserve a nice shiny red apple on your engine desk, after some of your thoughtful well explained posts. Glad u r here again Greg! A real FoT asset. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Greg Solow Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph To: Mark J Bradakis ReplyTo: Greg Solow Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Sent: Jan 23, 2013 2:37 AM This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 09:55:51 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:55:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <1358960151.48886.YahooMailNeo@web162501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A good rule of thumb is .005 for every 1000 rpm. ________________________________ From: Joe Boruch To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 Greetings FoT, I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to head clearance assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 23 12:30:01 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:30:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <682F9B667C31455FB36E1E651D02639B@gdhs.local> I'll be there along with your case of Brad Penn John H. 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Don _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 23 14:37:51 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:37:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Not that it is on subject; but we ran 1mm in my 250cc two stroke GP Yamaha motors. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2013, at 7:52 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. Ask the sender to send it again using a different format or email program. text/plain From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 03:12:44 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:12:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <1359108764.29231.YahooMailNeo@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://health-trainers.org/wp-content/plugins/bdysm.html Jay Creel From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 15:27:35 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:27:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 26 15:39:43 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:39:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51045B2F.5050000@bradakis.com> I seem to recall reading about a 192x Triumph driven across Australia, covering a few thousand miles. Not sure if it was in a competition of any sort, but still an impressive feat given the time and place. mjb. From tr6driver at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 15:41:10 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:41:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I drove for about 1/4 of that time. Jamie Palmer On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few > different TR models. > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours > of LeMans. (early years) > > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on > our own FoT website) > > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and > I need an interesting FoT topic. > > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 15:50:37 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:50:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sweet, we have our first entry for the "totally official record holder"... so you did a full 24 hours plus. that will be tough to beat on time. We'll need to have some indication of distance traveled based on # of laps/miles for proper classification. On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jamie wrote: > Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th > place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I > drove for about 1/4 of that time. > > Jamie Palmer > > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. > > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing > grounds > > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a > few > > different TR models. > > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours > > of LeMans. (early years) > > > > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the > > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? > > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did > well > > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 > for > > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on > > our own FoT website) > > > > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago > and > > I need an interesting FoT topic. > > > > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > > > > Jason Ostrowski > > Friendly Ghost Racing > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 26 15:55:44 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:55:44 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901cdfc18$48c33620$da49a260$@com> Hi, My longest race was 3H and 2 minutes as single driver on my Triumph TR4. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Januar 2013 23:28 An: triumph friends Betreff: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Jan 26 15:57:05 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: Great winter topic, Jason! The 04 TR4 was not a good long distance racer, the all out sprint race engine did not like the 1 hour enduros I ran. But I am not sure what got tired out first, the car or the driver! I never was too successful in getting my head into the endurance race mode, I tried to get into a rhythm of slow and smooth with interesting results. I usually turned my best lap time of the weekend. The current build of the 04 car with stock crank, rods and a set of Hepolites with a close ratio overdrive gearbox might make a better endurance car. Hopefully someone will buy it and find out! Jason Ostrowski wrote: >The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds >for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few >different TR models. >I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours >of LeMans. (early years) > >Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >(Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well >in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for >over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on >our own FoT website) > >This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and >I need an interesting FoT topic. > >Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 26 16:03:35 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:03:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PIlVmBDsRZM#! From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 16:04:56 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:04:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. TeriAnn From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 16:19:58 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:19:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes TeriAnn, I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of hours. For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over 3 hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did The > Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > > TeriAnn > > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 26 16:22:47 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:22:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Yes TeriAnn, I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of hours. For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over 3 hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > > TeriAnn > > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > multivintage.com vintage.com> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 16:31:59 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:31:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR's In-Reply-To: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> References: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> Message-ID: I could make so many comments. But for once will remain speachless. Jason. On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:03 PM, MadMarx wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PIlVmBDsRZM#! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Jan 26 16:35:27 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:35:27 GMT Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? Ted can chime in with more details. I raced in that race 5 years ago, but it was in a Miata. Ted was there as a race marshall and was giving our team some tips. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:27:35 -0600 The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 16:45:29 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:45:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> References: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson Ledges > and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? > Ted can chime in... > Yes, This is a hot topic. I got a message from Ted already... FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. From tr6driver at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 18:01:48 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2252B9B1-1299-4B53-A8EE-EF169448B6BB@yahoo.com> I'll look it up and post... :-) Jamie Palmer On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Sweet, we have our first entry for the "totally official record holder"... > so you did a full 24 hours plus. that will be tough to beat on time. > We'll need to have some indication of distance traveled based on # of laps/miles for proper classification. > > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jamie wrote: >> Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I drove for about 1/4 of that time. >> >> Jamie Palmer >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> >> > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >> > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds >> > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few >> > different TR models. >> > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours >> > of LeMans. (early years) >> > >> > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >> > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >> > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well >> > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for >> > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on >> > our own FoT website) >> > >> > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and >> > I need an interesting FoT topic. >> > >> > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? >> > >> > Jason Ostrowski >> > Friendly Ghost Racing >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 18:19:11 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:19:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> Message-ID: <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jan 26 19:17:28 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> Message-ID: <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 19:43:18 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:43:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 which got us back to Oakland, Ca. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jan 26 20:03:26 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:03:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> Message-ID: <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> YES! The basis for a Great American Novel! In '62 I slept along side my TD, not realizing I was between the highway and the Union Pacific Railroad tracks, east of Denver. Sleep did not come easily after that westbound train came through about 2:00am. Speaking of costs....I was 300 miles from Road America and in 1966 it cost me about $20 one weekend. $6.00 for gas, .50 a night in the campground across from the track, .50 for a program, the gate entry, a little food, and some beer. The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 which got us back to Oakland, Ca. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat Jan 26 20:11:10 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 03:11:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com>, <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com>, <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud>, <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. Never be beaten by equipment > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > Yes TeriAnn, > > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > > hours. > > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > > 3 > > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > > 5:04 > > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > > > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > >> > >> TeriAnn > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: > >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > >> multivintage.com >> vintage.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 20:18:20 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 03:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <1087557731.378088.1359256700861.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Ted's Longest Day race results are going to be tough to beat in terms of 24 hour TR stats. I remember those races and attended a few for the full 24 hours way back in the early 80s. I have some pix of Ted and the TR8 coming down the main straight at Nelson's for the green flag at the start of an SCCA race, it's probably 1983. I copied the photos to Ted not too long ago. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: jason at multivintage.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:35:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? Ted can chime in with more details. I raced in that race 5 years ago, but it was in a Miata. Ted was there as a race marshall and was giving our team some tips. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:27:35 -0600 The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 20:30:36 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:30:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] My longest drive in a TR Message-ID: <1359257436.59681.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Friends, My longest drive took place in November 1959. I had taken a vacation to visit a Porsche owner I had befriended when his Speedster blew a timing gear near my Dad's farm. We stored it there until he could return to tow it back to the Air Force base at Alamagodo, NM, where he was stationed as a musician. The day before I was planning to return home, I twisted off an axle in the diff at a stop sign. We located a new part and installed it on a sand lot near the offbase home he rented. Since I was already one day late returning to work, I drove my '56 TR 3 straight through back home, covering 1125 miles in 22 hours. No-doz wasn't having much effect on me by the time I arrived home. I had run my first Sports Car race in that car the previous September. Maybe why I broke an axle some time later. Ken Suhre From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 21:09:14 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:09:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive Message-ID: During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to drive my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be determined beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage space. We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach where we were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of oil at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the 2300 miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's engine..great little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new TR4 he acquired shortly after our return. Gary From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jan 26 21:20:15 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:20:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the original question was about race hours rather than road trips...But if you are going to talk road trips... Albany, NY to Dallas Tx for the 1989 VTR meet. Nonstop in the TR6. top down. Race in Dallas (win), pick up buddy at airport, drive to Minneapolis/St. Paul over 1.5 days (top down), spend 2 days in MSP, then non stop MSP->ALB some of it in the rain. Total somewhere in the neighborhood of 3400 miles in about 8 days. Was an epic road trip that can only be pulled off in college. ;) Plenty of other great road trips in that car... All with a race destination. My favourite is still autox on the streets of Waterloo, Iowa. Bob On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Vintage Racer wrote: > During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to > drive > my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due > south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of > California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be > determined > beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our > clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage > space. > We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second > day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were > surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach > where we > were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the > area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of > oil > at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the > 2300 > miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's > engine..great > little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new > TR4 he > acquired shortly after our return. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 21:25:38 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:25:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive References: Message-ID: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> What a Terrific bunch of Adventurous folks we were and still are..FOT ROCKS!! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Racer" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive > During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to > drive > my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is > due > south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of > California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be > determined > beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our > clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage > space. > We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second > day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we > were > surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach > where we > were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around > the > area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of > oil > at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the > 2300 > miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's > engine..great > little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new > TR4 he > acquired shortly after our return. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jan 26 21:28:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:28:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFCA5DEEA4886A-1FD4-20BF7@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> AH YES, BOB! The WATERLOO AUTOCROSS.....been there, done that. Somebody finally took out a street light and it ceased. -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Vintage Racer Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jan 26, 2013 10:23 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive I think the original question was about race hours rather than road trips...But if you are going to talk road trips... Albany, NY to Dallas Tx for the 1989 VTR meet. Nonstop in the TR6. top down. Race in Dallas (win), pick up buddy at airport, drive to Minneapolis/St. Paul over 1.5 days (top down), spend 2 days in MSP, then non stop MSP->ALB some of it in the rain. Total somewhere in the neighborhood of 3400 miles in about 8 days. Was an epic road trip that can only be pulled off in college. ;) Plenty of other great road trips in that car... All with a race destination. My favourite is still autox on the streets of Waterloo, Iowa. Bob On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Vintage Racer wrote: > During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to > drive > my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due > south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of > California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be > determined > beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our > clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage > space. > We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second > day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were > surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach > where we > were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the > area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of > oil > at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the > 2300 > miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's > engine..great > little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new > TR4 he > acquired shortly after our return. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Jan 26 21:31:52 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:31:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My longest drive in a TR In-Reply-To: <1359257436.59681.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359257436.59681.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My longest drive was at age 17 in my first car, a 68 GT6+ I had hobbled together in the side yard the summer before. 2800kms round trip to visit my brother in La Baie Quebec Bloody miracle. That car was such a rot bucket the guy handed me a shop manual and we sealed the deal for one dollar! A lot of pop rivets and fibreglass and the finishing touch... my mother suggested I paint it with her filter queen (I had no money :) so on a hot sunny day I sprayed my first car. All I will say is it was blue LOL. I sure learned a lot that year, trial by fire... Great fun From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jan 26 22:03:37 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:03:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR's In-Reply-To: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> References: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> Message-ID: <8CFCA62CCF87524-1E60-23562@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> So '60s Wonder where they all are now? Bob T -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'triumph friends' Sent: Sat, Jan 26, 2013 6:03 pm Subject: [Fot] TR's http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PIlVmBDsRZM#! ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Jan 26 22:03:28 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:03:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> Message-ID: <58823772-1605-4DC0-9A04-67DC839E0A02@consolidated.net> Great story. Thanks Kg Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 8:43 PM, "RACER BUD" wrote: > The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she > learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car > with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how > God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked > when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf > Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside > rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on > the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was > a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 > which got us back to Oakland, Ca. > RB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Alexander > To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > > > > > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > >> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Yes TeriAnn, >> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >> hours. >> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >> 3 >> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >> 5:04 >> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: >>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>> multivintage.com>> vintage.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 26 22:12:18 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:12:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> References: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> Message-ID: <5104B732.6090604@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > What a Terrific bunch of Adventurous folks we were and still are..FOT > ROCKS!! Indeed. My contribution will be about the summer of 1984. A '69 TR6 was my one and only means of transport. Managed to pack all I needed in it to drive from Salt Lake to Milpitas, California. I was staying there for the summer with a friend while I did an internship at the San Jose IBM labs. I had no qualms about the car, it did just fine. There, the daily commutes and back home again months later. My favorite part was when Deb flew out to see me and we drove it to Yosemite for some climbing. Every night I would put all the food in the trunk and back it under this leaning tree to keep the bears from popping it open. Maybe at this year's Kastner cup I'll tell the bear story. mjb. From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Jan 26 22:13:55 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:13:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: <8CFCA5DEEA4886A-1FD4-20BF7@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFCA5DEEA4886A-1FD4-20BF7@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <37BC92C4-1842-4404-B94F-2B99C6748660@consolidated.net> Longest TR3 trip was 4985 miles in 15 days in 2005, but them most memorable had to be Watkins Glen, the first time in 1970 without a top and the last time with youse guys a couple of years ago. ;-) Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > AH YES, BOB! The WATERLOO AUTOCROSS.....been there, done that. Somebody > finally took out a street light and it ceased. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert bownes > To: Vintage Racer > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sat, Jan 26, 2013 10:23 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive > > > I think the original question was about race hours rather than road > trips...But if you are going to talk road trips... > > Albany, NY to Dallas Tx for the 1989 VTR meet. Nonstop in the TR6. top > down. Race in Dallas (win), pick up buddy at airport, drive to > Minneapolis/St. Paul over 1.5 days (top down), spend 2 days in MSP, then > non stop MSP->ALB some of it in the rain. Total somewhere in the > neighborhood of 3400 miles in about 8 days. Was an epic road trip that can > only be pulled off in college. ;) > > > Plenty of other great road trips in that car... All with a race > destination. My favourite is still autox on the streets of Waterloo, Iowa. > > Bob > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Vintage Racer > wrote: > >> During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to >> drive >> my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due >> south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of >> California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be >> determined >> beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our >> clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage >> space. >> We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second >> day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were >> surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach >> where we >> were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the >> area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of >> oil >> at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the >> 2300 >> miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's >> engine..great >> little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new >> TR4 he >> acquired shortly after our return. >> >> Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From kaskas at cox.net Sat Jan 26 22:20:19 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:20:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com>, <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com>, <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud>, <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: Never be beaten by equipment In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. Never be beaten by equipment > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > Yes TeriAnn, > > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > > hours. > > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > > 3 > > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > > 5:04 > > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > > > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > >> > >> TeriAnn > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: > >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > >> multivintage.com >> vintage.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 22:46:37 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:46:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive Message-ID: <5104BF3D.30000@comcast.net> I talked my wife to be (and still wife, Patty) into buying a Spitfire in 1972. We drove it from Portland to Lodi, CA to attend a friends wedding. What I remember most about the trip was filling the Spit with Coors beer which was not available in Oregon in those days (Smokey and the bandit part 0.01) . I think we got three or four cases into various parts of the car - a six pack at a time. From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jan 27 04:03:49 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:03:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DD97FF3-AA17-4C91-99DB-EB0A064D7B45@virgin.net> I regularly used to drive my TR4a from London up to the Isle of Skye where my mum still lives, about 850 miles, 4 fuel stops and my best was just under 10 hours (including stops !) .... On the pic roads and timed to be late at night and through till breakfast to miss the traffic. Not quite racing but on the public roads and as quick as the lovely little soul would go. Top speed on the Tom Tom was on the a9 over the top of Drummacloch in the highlands about 4am as i recall where the reading was 125mph, windows up, hardtop on and flat to the floor. Su's and wire wheels as I remember too. Happy days ! Sent from my iPhone On 27 Jan 2013, at 05:20, Kas Kastner wrote: > Never be beaten by equipment > > > > > > In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of > Sebring, and first in class. > > In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring > and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike > Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, > another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third > in class at the same year. > > Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars > racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. > > I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. > > Never be beaten by equipment > >> To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", >> or the basis for a great book. >> >> I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army >> footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire >> time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MadMarx" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> >>> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >>> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >>> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >>> >>> Yes TeriAnn, >>> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >>> hours. >>> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >>> 3 >>> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >>> 5:04 >>> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >>> >>>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>>> >>>> TeriAnn >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: >>>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>>> multivintage.com>>> vintage.com> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jan 27 05:25:03 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I can't remember who started this thread but KUDOs. Really nice reading all these great stories! Vince Sent from my iPhone On 2013-01-26, at 10:06 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > YES! The basis for a Great American Novel! > > In '62 I slept along side my TD, not realizing I was between the highway and > the Union Pacific Railroad tracks, east of Denver. Sleep did not come easily > after that westbound train came through about 2:00am. > > Speaking of costs....I was 300 miles from Road America and in 1966 it cost me > about $20 one weekend. $6.00 for gas, .50 a night in the campground across > from the track, .50 for a program, the gate entry, a little food, and some > beer. > > > > > > > > The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she > learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car > with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how > God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked > when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf > Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside > rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on > the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was > a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 > which got us back to Oakland, Ca. > RB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joe Alexander > > To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > > > > > > > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > >> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Yes TeriAnn, >> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >> hours. >> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >> 3 >> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >> 5:04 >> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: >>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>> multivintage.com>> vintage.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 07:10:11 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:10:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <51053543.1040204@gmail.com> When you own a Land Rover Factory camper (1960 Dormobile) it is what you use on the long cross country trips and those epic drives. But my TR3 has been on 3 approx. 1000 mile each way trips with only one mishap, an alternator going out. But there was a time when the Land Rover's gearbox was out being replaced when the TR had to fill in. With the passenger seat out, the Triumph could hold a big 120 lb bale of alfalfa and a couple 75 lb sacks of grain. To feed the livestock it took 7 round trips a week to the feed store & back. So a 3 can fill in as a farm truck as long as you don't have to haul manure. I've done as much of route 66 as I can find Flagstaff on West. I keep thinking I should finish the trip and take 66 East to the end. Not as many long trip miles as many of you have put on them but I'm not done yet. TeriAnn 1960 Land Rover Dormobile 1961 Triumph TR3A Never felt need for a third car From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jan 27 08:05:59 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <51053543.1040204@gmail.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <51053543.1040204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51054257.6080204@cfl.rr.com> Bought my very first TR3 in Yuma Arizona in 1969. The used autoparts yard had two of them both white. One with a blue leather interior and one with a red leather interior. They were sitting out front so had not yet reached the stage of crushing. $950 and the blue interior was mine. So, fast forward a couple of months. While sitting in the dorm at Thanksgiving time a buddy suggested we jump in the car and drive to his hometown, Chicago. I thought, sure why not and not realizing or caring it was about 1500 miles one way. It was very cold driving through the mid west that time of year. The generator gave out with about 200 miles to go. Loosened the belt enough to continue driving the water pump and made it to Chicago. Finding a generator in Chicago was a challenge in those days but finally did find one. The return trip had another problem surface. About the time we reached New Mexico the clutch release hydraulics was giving up. Had to bleed the slave cylinder at every fuel stop. It was a sign of the times because every stop at a gas station the owner was more than glad to let us put the car on the rack to bleed the system. Try to find one of those today. But we made it back. Round trip was about 3K miles all on route 66 and in 2 1/2 days driving time. The next story for another time is my trip from Yuma to Dover Delaware and the oil pressure only reaching 10lbs at 65mph for most of the trip. Bob On 1/27/13 9:10 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > When you own a Land Rover Factory camper (1960 Dormobile) it is what > you use on the long cross country trips and those epic drives. But my > TR3 has been on 3 approx. 1000 mile each way trips with only one > mishap, an alternator going out. > > But there was a time when the Land Rover's gearbox was out being > replaced when the TR had to fill in. With the passenger seat out, the > Triumph could hold a big 120 lb bale of alfalfa and a couple 75 lb > sacks of grain. To feed the livestock it took 7 round trips a week to > the feed store & back. So a 3 can fill in as a farm truck as long as > you don't have to haul manure. > > I've done as much of route 66 as I can find Flagstaff on West. I keep > thinking I should finish the trip and take 66 East to the end. > > Not as many long trip miles as many of you have put on them but I'm > not done yet. > > TeriAnn > 1960 Land Rover Dormobile > 1961 Triumph TR3A > Never felt need for a third car > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 27 08:24:47 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:24:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <139640D323A24486A164CF8590E8F4F4@UserTHINK> I agree, these stories have been great reading on a cold weekend in Ohio. Several of the Western Pa Triumph Association members have taken a weeks trip each year going or returning from the yearly FOT events. This year will be an extended drive through MI and WI on our way to the ELVF 2013. A few of the trips have been close to 3000 miles during that week. Fun times with FOT friends. Even though we are not racers we enjoy the welcome that we get when we meet up with FOT at these events. Thanks for having us, we appreciate the fellowship. JVV From tr6driver at yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 08:40:53 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:40:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <2252B9B1-1299-4B53-A8EE-EF169448B6BB@yahoo.com> References: <2252B9B1-1299-4B53-A8EE-EF169448B6BB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1359301253.85450.YahooMailNeo@web121606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ok, looked up the results on MyLaps. We covered 1597.5 miles in that 25/25/25. Considering that included 41 minutes off track for a RR halfshaft/trailing arm/brake replacement and an separate steering rack replacement, as well as some reduced lap speeds for downpours and some broken wheel studs (and one broken wheel), that wasn't too bad for a TR6 crap-can racer! Jamie Palmer >________________________________ >From: Jamie >To: Jason Ostrowski >Cc: triumph friends >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:01 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > >I'll look it up and post... :-) > >Jamie Palmer > > >On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > >> Sweet, we have our first entry for the "totally official record holder"... >> so you did a full 24 hours plus. that will be tough to beat on time. >> We'll need to have some indication of distance traveled based on # of >laps/miles for proper classification. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jamie wrote: >>> Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th >place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I >drove for about 1/4 of that time. >>> >>> Jamie Palmer >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski >wrote: >>> >>> > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >>> > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing >grounds >>> > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a >few >>> > different TR models. >>> > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 >hours >>> > of LeMans. (early years) >>> > >>> > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >>> > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >>> > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did >well >>> > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 >for >>> > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group >on >>> > our own FoT website) >>> > >>> > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago >and >>> > I need an interesting FoT topic. >>> > >>> > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? >>> > >>> > Jason Ostrowski >>> > Friendly Ghost Racing >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com/ > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 27 08:55:19 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:55:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR now a word about WPTA In-Reply-To: <8CFCABAAF5C3D3A-10FC-272CA@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com><6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud><8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com><7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud><8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <8CFCABAAF5C3D3A-10FC-272CA@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFCABDD7793C97-10FC-27457@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA TRIUMPH ASSOCIATION: Some of the WPTA do have race history. They have also erected a hospitality tent and served as FOT hosts at the track. They are eschewing their traditional WATKINS GLEN TOUR to be with the FOT at the KCUP. Powerful Stuff. Furthermore, Marty Sukey has enlisted their help in the distribution of the event shirts. It takes a paddock full of FOT to support KASTNER CUP. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Vince G ; Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR I agree, these stories have been great reading on a cold weekend in Ohio. Several of the Western Pa Triumph Association members have taken a weeks trip each year going or returning from the yearly FOT events. This year will be an extended drive through MI and WI on our way to the ELVF 2013. A few of the trips have been close to 3000 miles during that week. Fun times with FOT friends. Even though we are not racers we enjoy the welcome that we get when we meet up with FOT at these events. Thanks for having us, we appreciate the fellowship. JVV From tarch at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 27 09:01:29 2013 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:01:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001c01cdfca7$92839f90$b78adeb0$@net> The other wrinkle in Triumph trips is driving a racecar to the track. In the last 13 years, ole #197 ran 29 races. Most of them were at the home track of Road Atlanta (60 miles from my shop). Two have been 600 mile trips (one way) to Mid Ohio, 2 to Daytona (450 miles), 2 to VIR (375 miles [one trip back home was on the hook - crankshaft failure])and 3 to Savannah (200 miles). It was entered in every enduro that was available. As a street car, it is cramped, stiff and uncomfortable. As a racecar it is heavy, softly suspended and underpowered (self imposed redline = 5.5K). For a nice old man like me, it is damn near perfect. Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:57 PM To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Amici Triumphi Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Great winter topic, Jason! The 04 TR4 was not a good long distance racer, the all out sprint race engine did not like the 1 hour enduros I ran. But I am not sure what got tired out first, the car or the driver! I never was too successful in getting my head into the endurance race mode, I tried to get into a rhythm of slow and smooth with interesting results. I usually turned my best lap time of the weekend. The current build of the 04 car with stock crank, rods and a set of Hepolites with a close ratio overdrive gearbox might make a better endurance car. Hopefully someone will buy it and find out! Jason Ostrowski wrote: >The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing >grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there >with a few different TR models. >I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 >hours of LeMans. (early years) > >Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >(Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did >well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving >a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of >this group on our own FoT website) > >This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago >and I need an interesting FoT topic. > >Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Jan 27 09:51:52 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:51:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> References: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> Message-ID: <51055B28.1040903@pobox.com> If we're talking about long road trips, In 1968 I drove my new TR250 10,000 miles in about 10 weeks. Started at the factory in Coventry, then went to Wales, Ireland, Scotland, England, France, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, back to Germany, France, Spain, France again, Switzerland, Italy, Yugoslavia, Austria, Germany again, Holland, Belgium and back to London. We would have covered more miles, but were stuck in Berlin for several weeks waiting for an engine replacement. With only 3,700 miles on it, the first one threw a rod in East Germany between Berlin and West Germany. I swear I was only going 80 mph. Good thing we were too young and stupid to be afraid of the East Germans. A couple of years later, my young bride and I drove it from Texas to Seattle in 3 days pulling a small trailer with all our worldly belongings. I especially remember the drive over Molas Pass in Colorado. The transmission went out 2 months later. Larry On 1/26/2013 10:25 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > What a Terrific bunch of Adventurous folks we were and still are..FOT > ROCKS!! > RB From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Jan 27 10:10:49 2013 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:10:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Didn't Ken Richardson take 4 or 5 Cambridge students to Monza in 1960 where they set all kinds of speed and distance records in a TR3A ? I think Paul Richardson wrote about it in detail in a VTR issue. They averaged more than 100 MPH for the 23 plus hours when one of the drivers flicked out of overdrive at very high speed and blew the engine. Don Elliott, Montreal -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: January-27-13 12:20 AM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Never be beaten by equipment In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. Never be beaten by equipment > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > Yes TeriAnn, > > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > > hours. > > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > > 3 > > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > > 5:04 > > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > > > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > >> > >> TeriAnn > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: > >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > >> multivintage.com >> vintage.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jan 27 10:12:49 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:12:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive now GATHERING ON THE GREEN Message-ID: <1c461.44e16fca.3e36ba11@cs.com> Larry, did you tell me you were coming to KCUP 2013 with your TR250? We need an example of a TR250 at the GATHERING ON THE GREEN! The invitation to the GOT is for one example of each Triumph Model. For each car selected by the VSCDA GOT committee, there is a nice little gift that goes with it. This a very special event late SATURDAY AFTERNOON at the host hotel. The OSTHOFF......(I wonder how folks are doing with their registrations at the Osthoff) > If we're talking about long road trips, In 1968 I drove my new TR250 > 10,000 miles in about 10 weeks. Started at the factory in Coventry, > then went to Wales, Ireland, Scotland, England, France, Belgium, > Germany, Denmark, Sweden, back to Germany, France, Spain, France again, > Switzerland, Italy, Yugoslavia, Austria, Germany again, Holland, Belgium > and back to London. We would have covered more miles, but were stuck in > Berlin for several weeks waiting for an engine replacement. With only > 3,700 miles on it, the first one threw a rod in East Germany between > Berlin and West Germany. I swear I was only going 80 mph. Good thing we > were too young and stupid to be afraid of the East Germans. > > A couple of years later, my young bride and I drove it from Texas to > Seattle in 3 days pulling a small trailer with all our worldly > belongings. I especially remember the drive over Molas Pass in > Colorado. The transmission went out 2 months later. > Larry > > From jkhagen at charter.net Sun Jan 27 10:38:17 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:38:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <22b9eb37.411f6f.13c7d16946a.Webtop.43@charter.net> "I guess those Triumph stock parts are not so bad after all" Mr. Kastner Just thought I'd repeat it. John Hagen On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours > of > Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines > did 877 > miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my > TR-4 > cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours > of > Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath > and Craig > Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time > ago, but > pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up > 2,473 miles > of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock > parts > aren't so bad after all. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; >> fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", >> or the basis for a great book. >> >> I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army >> footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the >> entire >> time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was >> 1969! >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MadMarx" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> >>> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >>> Im >>> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >>> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >>> >>> Yes TeriAnn, >>> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many >>> # of >>> hours. >>> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just >>> over >>> 3 >>> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 >>> at >>> 5:04 >>> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >>> >>>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke >>>> did >>>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>>> >>>> TeriAnn >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: >>>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>>> >>>> multivintage.com>>> vintage.com> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 18:13:43 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today Message-ID: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello Friends, I drove my TR3 for the first time today. So far so good. What a joy ! As I said in my "first start" message to the group a week ago, as far as I know the car has not been on the road since 1975 and today was the first drive since a nut and bolt restoration into a vintage race car. The alignment needs a little tweaking, but the engine sounds and ran great, trans shifted beautifully, the suspension and brakes felt great. My brother was my co-driver and got some vid of the experience. He trusted my work enough to get in and go with me. He was as excited as I was. He has witnessed the 57 month project on almost a weekly basis. I recently posted some photos on Photobucket of the the build process and will connect the link to the group soon. Thanks again to everyone who shared their advice, information and Triumph experience. FoT are the best ! I'l be sure to keep the group informed as this experience progresses to my first track drive. Dave H. From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 19:16:16 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:16:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil Message-ID: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 19:18:43 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:18:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube oil leak. Message-ID: <1359339523.20821.YahooMailClassic@web126103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Correct the year to 1961 TR4 #79. Ken Suhre From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 19:25:54 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:25:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> Did you also search the Triumph list archives? I'm sure this has been discussed there before. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 27 19:26:33 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:26:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFCB1605D9DAF6-9D0-2AE14@Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com> I used a Craftsman socket with a small end that steps down. It worked great as a swaging tool. Multiple light taps to move material. Of course you can only do the top. I am sure some will also say to use carb cleaner at the tubes and add some sealant of some kind. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Ken Suhre To: FOT Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:18 pm Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 19:29:41 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:29:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ken..you may as well pull the head and put in new valve guides(I don't know which valve guides to recommend.) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Suhre" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil >I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has >anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop >the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the >head. > Ken Suhre > 1969 TR4 #79 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From clw2000 at msn.com Sun Jan 27 19:38:07 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:38:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> Message-ID: What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts have been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:25:54 -0700 > From: mark at bradakis.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil > > Did you also search the Triumph list archives? I'm sure this has been > discussed there before. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 19:46:35 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:46:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Charles WATSON wrote: > What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts > have been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! You click on the archive link below. Then you click on a list, say, Triumphs. Then you enter some words in the search box, like pushrod tube Then you hit enter, and see what happens. mjb. From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Jan 27 19:50:01 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:50:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil Message-ID: Hi all, I ues a Moroso 2 part epoxy. White-ish/blue running stuff to seal the tops of the p/rod tubes and the water plug at the cyl. Head. Just make sure the area is clean and dry. Tony Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Ken Suhre wrote: >I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. >Ken Suhre >1969 TR4 #79 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jan 27 19:58:41 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:58:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo .com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack found some sort of loctite green compound that you could wick into the gap between the tube and the head. Didn't TOTALLY stop the leak but made it better. The craftsman socket method Joe mentioned came into play too. Tony At 08:16 PM 1/27/2013, Ken Suhre wrote: >I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. >Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like >to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last >resort pulling the head. >Ken Suhre >1969 TR4 #79 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 20:02:18 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:02:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Mark..the archives are Fantastic..1st I knew they existed thanks! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil > Charles WATSON wrote: >> What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts have >> been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! > > You click on the archive link below. > > Then you click on a list, say, Triumphs. > > Then you enter some words in the search box, like pushrod tube > > Then you hit enter, and see what happens. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 20:09:11 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:09:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5105EBD7.90908@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > Mark..the archives are Fantastic..1st I knew they existed > thanks! You're welcome. After all these years I'm used to people not realizing all that I provide ;-) What I would really like to do someday is make it so you don't have to search specific lists, but can search multiple, if not all, archives. As soon as everything else is working completely and up to date, I guess. mjb. From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Jan 27 20:22:05 2013 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (J. Wagner) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:22:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <20130128030848.3EC2740E1E@autox.team.net> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130128030848.3EC2740E1E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <30B1D592-8C7F-43FE-BA29-11E2EE1CA726@greenheart.com> This is probably what I would experiment with.... (And maybe this is what Tony is thinking Jack used?) http://www.loctiteproducts.com/p/10/25/t_lkr_green/overview/Loctite-Threadloc ker-Green-290.htm "Capillary action" is the key! And I would clean the tubes thoroughly with degreaser, followed by spray (zero residue) contact cleaner, and pressured (filtered) air... And I'd warm the head with a blow drier.... (Just warm, not hot).... I can't speak to whether it would work... I haven't given it a shot, my tubes (street car) seem to do ok.... but this would definitely be my approach. --Justin On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Jack found some sort of loctite green compound that you could wick into the gap between the tube and the head. Didn't TOTALLY stop the leak but made it better. The craftsman socket method Joe mentioned came into play too. > > Tony > > At 08:16 PM 1/27/2013, Ken Suhre wrote: >> I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. >> Ken Suhre >> 1969 TR4 #79 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 20:52:38 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:52:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <30B1D592-8C7F-43FE-BA29-11E2EE1CA726@greenheart.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130128030848.3EC2740E1E@autox.team.net> <30B1D592-8C7F-43FE-BA29-11E2EE1CA726@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <5105F606.5020703@bradakis.com> I sort of remember writing up a bit about this, maybe early 90s, when Chris Kantarjiev got his TR4A and asked on the Triumph list about these leaks. And like everyone has said, the first step is making sure the top of the tube has good mechanical contact with the head, then some sort of wicking compound like the Loctite 290 green. The hard part is getting it *clean* mjb. From jason at multivintage.com Sun Jan 27 21:25:09 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:25:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today In-Reply-To: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: 57 months. A round of drinks for everyone! Surely, another great car has been added to the FoT ranks. I had the pleasure of meeting Dave last year at Road Atlanta. Some guys are just easy to like. In retrospect, no wonder he was so likable. Like many of us, he was under and on top of his dream car for years. That is a long time dedication. A first drive after 4 years of hard work and more time and $ than anyone would admit, I say... Bravo Dave! A moment to be proud of. In our little world, I think that its pretty safe to say this is a car built for all the right reasons. Dave, you deserve every moment of happiness this car will provide. Awesome. Jason Ostrowski Freiendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: davehogye Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:13:43 To: Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today Hello Friends, I drove my TR3 for the first time today. So far so good. What a joy ! As I said in my "first start" message to the group a week ago, as far as I know the car has not been on the road since 1975 and today was the first drive since a nut and bolt restoration into a vintage race car. The alignment needs a little tweaking, but the engine sounds and ran great, trans shifted beautifully, the suspension and brakes felt great. My brother was my co-driver and got some vid of the experience. He trusted my work enough to get in and go with me. He was as excited as I was. He has witnessed the 57 month project on almost a weekly basis. I recently posted some photos on Photobucket of the the build process and will connect the link to the group soon. Thanks again to everyone who shared their advice, information and Triumph experience. FoT are the best ! I'l be sure to keep the group informed as this experience progresses to my first track drive. Dave H. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sun Jan 27 21:54:27 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:54:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130128030852.40EB840EA7@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <757F7BB507684D6980FF4F7A102E0CF5@your89d26e0447> Be careful using the socket to peen the tubes into place with the head on the car. It is easy to shift the tubes downward into the tappet galley. They are not supported on the bottom when the head is on the block. With the head on a steel workbench top or smooth concrete floor, the tubes can be swaged into tight contact easily. Using "wicking" loctite to really seal them top and bottom is essential to make them completely dry. The most difficult part is getting ALL of the oil residue out of the space between the tube and the head. The Loctite will not seal unless the oil residue is completely gone. Very hard to accomplish with the head on the block. It is important to not get much of the degreasing agent down the pushrod tube and into the oil of the engine where it will break down the oil. I suppose you could fit small corks or rubber plugs with a wire running through them so you could pull them back out after degreasing the gaps. The bottom of the tubes also tend to leak, they can be degreased and sealed from the out side area just under the spark plug holes. Greg Solow From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sun Jan 27 21:58:06 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:58:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today References: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7D80CDCC40594936914025E6FB35EFDA@your89d26e0447> Congratulations Dave! You have done a wonderful job on the car. When you show up at the track and the FOT folks see your car, they are going to be WOWED The craftsmanship is flawless and the engineering is great! Greg Solow From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 22:17:24 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 05:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today In-Reply-To: <7D80CDCC40594936914025E6FB35EFDA@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <1981070084.407054.1359350244107.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey, you're back on the FoT again! That's great! I had a feeling that you might chime in about the pushrod tube issue. Thanks for all of your support Greg. I wouldn't have had the same results without your mechanical expertise and assistance. The motor pulls strong and is still dry. Oh, where the hell is that piece of wood I've been carrying around. I'll bring her by the shop if I can tomorrow. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" , Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:58:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today Congratulations Dave! You have done a wonderful job on the car. When you show up at the track and the FOT folks see your car, they are going to be WOWED The craftsmanship is flawless and the engineering is great! Greg Solow From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 28 01:11:41 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:11:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cdfd2f$1c82d940$55888bc0$@com> I don't understand this question. How can a pusrod leak? And from where to where does it leak? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Ken Suhre Gesendet: Montag, 28. Januar 2013 03:16 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 05:36:14 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:36:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <000901cdfd2f$1c82d940$55888bc0$@com> Message-ID: <1359376574.52140.YahooMailClassic@web126104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Chris, It is the tube in the head, that the pushrod passes through, that I have leaking oil. Ken Suhre --- On Mon, 1/28/13, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, January 28, 2013, 2:11 AM I don't understand this question. How can a pusrod leak? And from where to where does it leak? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Ken Suhre Gesendet: Montag, 28. Januar 2013 03:16 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Jan 28 05:57:01 2013 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:57:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Back when Midwestern Council did The 4 hour race, Kirk Gutshe did it solo in a TR4A IRS. The same car I used to get my comp license. That car run like a train!! On 1/26/13 4:27 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From clw2000 at msn.com Mon Jan 28 05:57:31 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com>, , <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark - just what I was looking for! I don't recall seeing this on the page that has the log-ins and prior post links. Might be helpful to put it on there if it isnt already. Thanks again. Chuck Watson > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:46:35 -0700 > From: mark at bradakis.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil > > Charles WATSON wrote: > > What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts > > have been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! > > You click on the archive link below. > > Then you click on a list, say, Triumphs. > > Then you enter some words in the search box, like pushrod tube > > Then you hit enter, and see what happens. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 06:36:20 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 05:36:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil Message-ID: <1359380180.12750.YahooMailClassic@web126106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks for all your suggestions. Here is what I plan to do. With the rocker assembly and pushrods out of the way, I will lightly tap a tapered drift into the tube to expand it,taking care not to drive it down. This should seal off the tube to prevent any solvent form going down into the engine. Then after warming it with a heatgun, and making sure no oil residue remains, apply some Locktite to it on top and and on the outside where it goes through the bottom lip of the head. I probably won't know if I am successful until the next race. Mark, I did search all 400 of the treads in the Archives under leaks. I didn't find any pertaining to this. Possibly the one your remember was too old or losts. Thanks, so much, for keeping all this information possible. Ken Suhre From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 28 08:28:54 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:28:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: I ran the 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges twice. First time on a 500cc Honda (1st. Place) and the second time on a 250cc Suzuki (way back). The thing that sticks in my mind about that track was that it seemed to be built around a swamp. It rained both times and frogs would come out onto the track! But, I 'spose these races don't count. Is that track still open??? John H. 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FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 28 08:59:26 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:59:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359380180.12750.YahooMailClassic@web126106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Mark, I did search all 400 of the treads in the Archives > under leaks. I didn't find any pertaining to this. Possibly > the one your remember was too old or losts. Try either "leaky" or "sealing", without the quotes. The search engine seems to have a problem with searching for phrases, so "pushrod tubes" doesn't work at all unless you leave out the quotes. (The quotes indicate to search for that exact phrase, but there are lots of posts with that phrase in the archive.) The "More with this subject" link does not work at all, likely for the same reason. (BTW the [Permanent Link] and [Original] links don't work either.) Here's a thread I found from 1997, with pretty much the same replies you got this time: http://goo.gl/WYKV9 -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Jan 28 09:33:59 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:33:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books Message-ID: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Amici I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. So....... Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures both color and B&W. Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. What say we? Chris From riverside at southslope.net Mon Jan 28 09:35:11 2013 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:35:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If there any TR's being Chumped, there is a 36 hour enduro schedule in Washingto state in the Chump Car calendar. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:27 PM To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6056 - Release Date: 01/25/13 From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Jan 28 09:57:14 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:57:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130128165714.KPX4H.45233.root@hrndva-web19-z01> I'd buy one. Maybe have something to contribute as it relates to WPTA Road Trips associated with FOT Events if that would interest anyone. JVV ---- Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ From tr6driver at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 09:59:37 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:59:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E13D7D4-BD19-4C7D-A959-1C6A487F6D06@yahoo.com> Too far for us to haul the TR6 from NC. But they are going to rotate the 36 hour race to other areas in future years if this one is successful. If it hits east of the Mississippi we'll be there, I'm sure! Jamie Palmer On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:35 AM, wrote: > If there any TR's being Chumped, there is a 36 hour enduro > schedule in Washingto state in the Chump Car calendar. > > art de armond > > -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:27 PM > To: triumph friends > Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few > different TR models. > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours > of LeMans. (early years) > > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on > our own FoT website) > > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and > I need an interesting FoT topic. > > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6056 - Release Date: 01/25/13 _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 28 10:04:45 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:04:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Chris, If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of his stories. Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. Of course, Kas has them. My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big job would be to edit it all into a book. Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a fellow enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of adventures with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER PRIZE. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am Subject: [Fot] Books Amici I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. So....... Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures both color and B&W. Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. What say we? Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jan 28 10:30:31 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube Message-ID: <1210081987.360248.1359394231914.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jan 28 10:39:11 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:39:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com>, <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I know one thing for absolute sure, if you go into self publishing be sure to throw everything out of one stall in your garage 'cause that is where the unsold books will live for eternity. :-) No more lawn mowers, no more beer taps, no more race cars or gun works or snow blowers or stacks of old magazines, gone forever to make room for your newly found book inventory. Never be beaten by equipment > To: SeaCubeCo at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; ChrisB71 at aol.com > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:04:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > Chris, > > If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of his > stories. > > Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. > > I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. > > Of course, Kas has them. > > My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big job > would be to edit it all into a book. > > Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. > > Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a fellow > enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of adventures > with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... > > In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER > PRIZE. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Bock > To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock > Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am > Subject: [Fot] Books > > > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jan 28 10:50:34 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:50:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> I'm in. Bob Davis ---- Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Mon Jan 28 11:14:03 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:14:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube In-Reply-To: <1210081987.360248.1359394231914.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8E.AB.08009.CEFB6015@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> I would recommend taking a look at the following site... No personal involvement here it's just that I have read most of their info which is good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the cylinder bore range by 1/4 and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact size but should use the next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the same as a size offered. They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits and normally start with a 120 and then finish with a 240. http://www.enginehones.com/ Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:31 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 28 11:33:14 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:33:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Books Message-ID: In a message dated 01/28/2013 11:39:18 AM Central Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > I know one thing for absolute sure, if you go into self publishing be > sure to > throw everything out of one stall in your garage 'cause that is where the > unsold books will live for eternity. :-) No more lawn mowers, no more > beer > taps, no more race cars or gun works or snow blowers or stacks of old > magazines, gone forever to make room for your newly found book inventory. > Hmmmm... I wonder how long before that spoon fed wisdom from our Guardian Angel sinks in. There's always flies in the ointment, and Kas knows how to point them out without stepping on anyone's toes. We could take up a collection and buy a warehouse for storing the books? Maintain it by renting space to FOT members for storing parts and parts cars? Our spouses will vote YES for the latter. Abandon the whole idea? Bill (Damdinger) From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Jan 28 12:56:30 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:56:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Message-ID: <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> Do any of you remember Auto Book Men. I think that's how it was spell Anyway it was in Maryland some 30 years ago. You name it they had it. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:51 PM To: FoTTriumph; Christopher Bock; christopher bock Subject: Re: [Fot] Books I'm in. Bob Davis ---- Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few > pictures both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 28 13:03:14 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FYI Message-ID: <5106D982.1010709@bradakis.com> There are currently about 315 addresses on this list. mjb. From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Jan 28 13:05:17 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:05:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yeah, that was a great store. I spent way too much money with them. I had forgotten all about them. John On Mon, January 28, 2013 2:56 pm, Craig Wensley wrote: > Do any of you remember Auto Book Men. I think that's how it was spell > Anyway it was in Maryland some 30 years ago. You name it they had it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:51 PM > To: FoTTriumph; Christopher Bock; christopher bock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > I'm in. > > Bob Davis > > ---- Christopher Bock wrote: >> Amici >> >> I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. >> >> So....... >> >> Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? >> >> It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few >> pictures both color and B&W. >> >> Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we > have >> that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. >> >> What say we? >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Jan 28 13:36:37 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:36:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cdfd97$2b93adc0$82bb0940$@comcast.net> Did you race with owner Lee Sack at Marlboro to (back in the day) -----Original Message----- From: R. John Lye [mailto:rjl6n at cstone.net] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:05 PM To: Craig Wensley Cc: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com; 'FoTTriumph'; 'Christopher Bock'; 'christopher bock' Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Yeah, that was a great store. I spent way too much money with them. I had forgotten all about them. John On Mon, January 28, 2013 2:56 pm, Craig Wensley wrote: > Do any of you remember Auto Book Men. I think that's how it was spell > Anyway it was in Maryland some 30 years ago. You name it they had it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:51 PM > To: FoTTriumph; Christopher Bock; christopher bock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > I'm in. > > Bob Davis > > ---- Christopher Bock wrote: >> Amici >> >> I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. >> >> So....... >> >> Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? >> >> It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few >> pictures both color and B&W. >> >> Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if >> we > have >> that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. >> >> What say we? >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 28 15:16:59 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:16:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130128221659.SDV7K.60133.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > We could take up a collection and buy a warehouse for storing the books? What about using one of the "print on demand" printers instead? I assume the per-book costs would be higher, but maybe not compared to buying a warehouse. Eg, http://www.thebookpatch.com/ Randall From igofaster at att.net Mon Jan 28 17:58:32 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:58:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1359421112.83915.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> hey! send me some pizza from Lou Malnati's ... I'll 'feel' for you... global warming was 78 degrees in N.Texas today.... Love AND miss Chicago bro! BW ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 4:31:50 PM Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Jan 28 18:32:05 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:32:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <20130128.203205.21636.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Yes, the track is still open, The facilities were somewhat rough back in 2008, but I had heard since then that it was undergoing renovations. Track had a few rough spots too. I don't know about the swamps, but it rained during the 24 hour race I drove in and got quite foggy during the night. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "john hasty" To: "'Jason Ostrowski'" , "'Joe Boruch'" Cc: Subject: RE: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:28:54 -0500 I ran the 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges twice. First time on a 500cc Honda (1st. Place) and the second time on a 250cc Suzuki (way back). The thing that sticks in my mind about that track was that it seemed to be built around a swamp. It rained both times and frogs would come out onto the track! But, I 'spose these races don't count. Is that track still open??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:45 PM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson > Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? > Ted can chime in... > Yes, This is a hot topic. I got a message from Ted already... FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Jan 28 18:47:47 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:47:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: <20130128.204747.21636.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> It was more than just an impression in the carbon. It was an impression in the aluminum. Joe(B) From: Kas Kastner To: , "toodamnfunky at comcast.net" Cc: fot Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 deck height Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:32:53 +0000 Impression in the carbon is just right. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > > With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow > 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had > impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) > ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Jan 28 19:09:03 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:09:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <653894CE-26A2-4A4A-9C8E-4F33D9A66D78@aol.com> Amici I was thinking that if everyone who is a FOT member writes a story we can have enough stories to do this. There are the usual people who comment regularly but what about the other 300 who are members. What is their story? All we would need is their name location and story Example: Chris B from Delaware (now), USA I caught the racing bug when my friends were trying to figure which vintage organization they wanted to race in while building their MGA racer. Funny thing is that they own a GT6 and a TR6. While at Summit Point around 08 the big joke was, "Where is Chris? Oh, he is wrenching on someone's car!" Which was true! I was watching someone replace a head gasket and they said that if I stayed they would put me to work. They did! The other joke was that the next session the car ran the best it did all day. Also that day i helped replace an axle shaft. That was the start if it. Now while at the races I crew for the MGA, Bugeye Sprite, and a Formula Vee. Slowly I am building a 74 Spit eventually for the track. First I will have some fun with the stock parts on the street. Then to the races I go. I am going to have I share the driving with my wife. Even something as short as that would be fine. Ok hit me with the opinions I have a friend who prints books and they are helping me what would be needed from start to finish. Chris On Jan 28, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Chris, > > If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of his stories. > > Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. > > I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. > > Of course, Kas has them. > > My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big job would be to edit it all into a book. > > Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. > > Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a fellow enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of adventures with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... > > In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER PRIZE. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Bock > To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock > Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am > Subject: [Fot] Books > > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 21:55:09 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:55:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <653894CE-26A2-4A4A-9C8E-4F33D9A66D78@aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> <653894CE-26A2-4A4A-9C8E-4F33D9A66D78@aol.com> Message-ID: <46EB141B-B6A6-4566-B3D7-5ABE9E872F90@bnj.com> On paper? Why? Probably 95% of the book I read these days are electronic, and I read constantly--probably more than 100 books a year. Authoring tools for eBooks are awesome, and it doesn't cost anything to publish. Why do it on dead trees? On Jan 28, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > I was thinking that if everyone who is a FOT member writes a story we can have > enough stories to do this. There are the usual people who comment regularly > but what about the other 300 who are members. What is their story? > All we would need is their name location and story > > Example: > > Chris B from Delaware (now), USA > > I caught the racing bug when my friends were trying to figure which vintage > organization they wanted to race in while building their MGA racer. Funny > thing is that they own a GT6 and a TR6. While at Summit Point around 08 the > big joke was, "Where is Chris? Oh, he is wrenching on someone's car!" Which > was true! I was watching someone replace a head gasket and they said that if > I stayed they would put me to work. They did! The other joke was that the > next session the car ran the best it did all day. Also that day i helped > replace an axle shaft. That was the start if it. Now while at the races I > crew for the MGA, Bugeye Sprite, and a Formula Vee. Slowly I am building a 74 > Spit eventually for the track. First I will have some fun with the stock parts > on the street. Then to the races I go. I am going to have I share the driving > with my wife. > > Even something as short as that would be fine. > > Ok hit me with the opinions > > > I have a friend who prints books and they are helping me what would be needed > from start to finish. > > Chris > > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of > his stories. >> >> Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. >> >> I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. >> >> Of course, Kas has them. >> >> My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big > job would be to edit it all into a book. >> >> Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. >> >> Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a > fellow enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of > adventures with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... >> >> In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER > PRIZE. >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christopher Bock >> To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock >> Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am >> Subject: [Fot] Books >> >> Amici >> >> I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. >> >> So....... >> >> Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? >> >> It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few > pictures >> both color and B&W. >> >> Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have >> that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. >> >> What say we? >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Jan 28 22:06:32 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:06:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Looking for a light TR6 trunk lid In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com>, <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com>, <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud>, <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1359435992.80323.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know of anyone making and selling TR6 trunk lids made from lighter material? Thanks, Jim From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 28 22:41:55 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:41:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <46EB141B-B6A6-4566-B3D7-5ABE9E872F90@bnj.com> Message-ID: > Why do it on dead trees? I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) -- Randall From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 29 01:14:56 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:14:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube Message-ID: Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to use based on the material your top compression rings are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their catalogue. We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. The auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. We like it much better than "washing with soap and water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught in auto shop class and in vintage text books. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] Sent : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM To : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube I would recommend taking a look at the following site... No personal involvement here it's just that I have read most of their info which is good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the cylinder bore range by 1/4 and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact size but should use the next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the same as a size offered. They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits and normally start with a 120 and then finish with a 240. http://www.enginehones.com/ Steve Yott -----Original Message----- Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 29 01:15:48 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:15:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube Message-ID: <8F3EDDE103EE4F428660E98A6AF5F57A@your89d26e0447> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:34 PM Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to use based on the material your top compression rings are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their catalogue. We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. The auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. We like it much better than "washing with soap and water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught in auto shop class and in vintage text books. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] Sent : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM To : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube I would recommend taking a look at the following site... No personal involvement here it's just that I have read most of their info which is good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the cylinder bore range by 1/4 and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact size but should use the next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the same as a size offered. They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits and normally start with a 120 and then finish with a 240. http://www.enginehones.com/ Steve Yott -----Original Message----- Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From mmoore at wave1.net Tue Jan 29 05:58:05 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <20130128.203205.21636.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20130128.203205.21636.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000901cdfe20$48100370$d8300a50$@net> Nelson Ledges is still open but the surface is in really rough shape, this is where I have been practicing the past 2 years. It's a great layout, and only costs $130 for a track day. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:32 PM To: jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Yes, the track is still open, The facilities were somewhat rough back in 2008, but I had heard since then that it was undergoing renovations. Track had a few rough spots too. I don't know about the swamps, but it rained during the 24 hour race I drove in and got quite foggy during the night. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "john hasty" To: "'Jason Ostrowski'" , "'Joe Boruch'" Cc: Subject: RE: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:28:54 -0500 I ran the 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges twice. First time on a 500cc Honda (1st. Place) and the second time on a 250cc Suzuki (way back). The thing that sticks in my mind about that track was that it seemed to be built around a swamp. It rained both times and frogs would come out onto the track! But, I 'spose these races don't count. Is that track still open??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:45 PM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson > Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in > a TR8??? > Ted can chime in... > Yes, This is a hot topic. I got a message from Ted already... FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jan 29 06:31:36 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:31:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books References: Message-ID: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> Amen Randall, I have a couple dozen books autographed by the authors. One of my treasures is a ski racing book signed by Billy Kidd at Steamboat Springs in 1985. What was the hot computer setup in those days? Michael Argetsinger signed his Walt Hansgen book for me (and his others) at Watkins Glen over the last few years. Great memories. Throw in Kas's books, and Carroll Smith's also. Then, of course, there's B S Levy! (Well named!) ((I like Burt)) All this computer stuff is nice, but give me a book any day. Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FoTTriumph'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years > ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" > floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of > my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 29 06:40:10 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> References: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> Message-ID: <006b01cdfe26$28bf9930$7a3ecb90$@rr.com> Speaking of Burt.......... He must have a warehouse where he stores his goods before turning to cash............I could relate a few tales for a bunch of laughs if you guys go ahead with this, but would have to change the names to protect the guilty! I'm not sure of the statute of limitations in some states! russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:32 AM To: Randall Cc: 'FoTTriumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Amen Randall, I have a couple dozen books autographed by the authors. One of my treasures is a ski racing book signed by Billy Kidd at Steamboat Springs in 1985. What was the hot computer setup in those days? Michael Argetsinger signed his Walt Hansgen book for me (and his others) at Watkins Glen over the last few years. Great memories. Throw in Kas's books, and Carroll Smith's also. Then, of course, there's B S Levy! (Well named!) ((I like Burt)) All this computer stuff is nice, but give me a book any day. Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FoTTriumph'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 > years ago that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge > tape, 8" > floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some > of my DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable > either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty > sure my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't > count that :) > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 07:09:24 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:09:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5107D814.1050409@gmail.com> On 1/28/13 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: >> Why do it on dead trees? > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. That's why I will only purchase an e-book in html format. From past experience of software changes, with companies coming & going and formats coming & going, I have decided that if you tie yourself to one company's e-reader you are guaranteeing a limited shelf life for your content. Every device that connects to the web has software that will read and display html. New versions of html will be backwards compatible with older versions and is my best bet for being able to reread a book a decade or so later. I can not imagine anyone making a change to html that would render everything archived on the net unreadable. If a publisher offers an e-book in html format, I purchase the html version. If not I go with the paper version. While I have 4 book cases filled with paper books, I also have 54 books in html format that I can read on any web browser on any hardware that supports a web browser. My e-fifth book case. TeriAnn From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 29 07:24:16 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:24:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <006b01cdfe26$28bf9930$7a3ecb90$@rr.com> References: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> <006b01cdfe26$28bf9930$7a3ecb90$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CFCC43742712A4-2734-3C65F@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Burt had me sneak his books over the border in our rig going to MOSPORT.. I need to remind him of that....... Uncle Jack and I would have a ton of stories during our tenure of 'SENIOR TOURS', but a lot of it might only be funny to us. I suggest that an outline be made of the proposed book and see where it goes. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: 'Bill Tobin' ; 'Randall' Cc: 'FoTTriumph' Sent: Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Speaking of Burt.......... He must have a warehouse where he stores his goods before turning to cash............I could relate a few tales for a bunch of laughs if you guys go ahead with this, but would have to change the names to protect the guilty! I'm not sure of the statute of limitations in some states! russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:32 AM To: Randall Cc: 'FoTTriumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Amen Randall, I have a couple dozen books autographed by the authors. One of my treasures is a ski racing book signed by Billy Kidd at Steamboat Springs in 1985. What was the hot computer setup in those days? Michael Argetsinger signed his Walt Hansgen book for me (and his others) at Watkins Glen over the last few years. Great memories. Throw in Kas's books, and Carroll Smith's also. Then, of course, there's B S Levy! (Well named!) ((I like Burt)) All this computer stuff is nice, but give me a book any day. Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FoTTriumph'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 > years ago that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge > tape, 8" > floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some > of my DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable > either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty > sure my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't > count that :) > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Jan 29 07:50:15 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:50:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> On 1/28/2013 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: >> Why do it on dead trees? > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > Amen to that. I still have my old chemistry textbook that is still a pretty good reference, after more than forty years. I've lost books I've written on the computer (and, yeah, shame on me for not doing regular backups), but I've managed to hold on to the hard print books I've collected over the years (apart from the ones stored in a guy's barn when the roof blew off and the rain and snow turned them into blocks of paper). But, then, I'm just an English major who likes the look and feel of a real book in my hands. There's something solid and reliable about a book one can pick up and hold in one's hands. Dead trees? I would guess that, in aggregate, copiers today use much more paper for much less worthy purposes than do books. Hell, this is a group that goes bug nuts at the suggestion to enable rules to convert to fuel injection, or renewable fuels, but electronic books are preferable? Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 08:18:40 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:18:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube In-Reply-To: <8F3EDDE103EE4F428660E98A6AF5F57A@your89d26e0447> References: <8F3EDDE103EE4F428660E98A6AF5F57A@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <229CDF52-CB8B-49D2-BD74-F27CAE021629@yahoo.com> Great post Greg. These are the posts I like to see. Very thorough and very helpful! I learned something new today! Ty TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "Greg Solow" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:34 PMgh > Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > > flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to > use based on the material your top compression rings > are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest > finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly > filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest > grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their > catalogue. We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive > drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the > regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts > in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). > We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid > and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY > color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. The > auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and > debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder > & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. > We like it much better than "washing with soap and > water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught > in auto shop class and in vintage text books. > > Greg Solow > The Engine Room > Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, CA 95060 > 831 429-1800 > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > From : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] > Sent : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM > To : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > I would recommend taking a look at the following > site... No personal > involvement here it's just that I have read most of > their info which is > good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the > cylinder bore range by 1/4 > and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact > size but should use the > next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the > same as a size offered. > They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of > mineral spirits and > automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits > and normally start > with a 120 and then finish with a 240. > > http://www.enginehones.com/ > Steve Yott > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > FoT > I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've > used once and on the > second time round > It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. > Since they are made to a > specific bore size > their service life has to be limited but how limited ? > Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to > use while running a > hone. > Thanks as always, > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 29 08:31:46 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube In-Reply-To: <229CDF52-CB8B-49D2-BD74-F27CAE021629@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <640904193.396524.1359473506476.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I second that ! jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com To: "Greg Solow" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:18:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Re: B Flex hone life span & lube Great post Greg. B These are the posts I like to see. Very thorough and very helpful! B I learned something new today! Ty TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "Greg Solow" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:34 PMgh > Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > > flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to > use based on the material your top compression rings > are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest > finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly > filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest > grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their > catalogue. B We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive > drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the > regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts > in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). > We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid > and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY > color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. B The > auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and > debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder > & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. > We like it much better than "washing with soap and > water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught > in auto shop class and in vintage text books. > > Greg Solow > The Engine Room > Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, CA 95060 > 831 429-1800 > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > From B B : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] > Sent B B : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM > To B B B : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Cc B B B : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > I would recommend taking a look at the following > site... No personal > involvement here it's just that I have read most of > their info which is > good. B Flex Hones come in various sizes in the > cylinder bore range by 1/4 > and 1/2 inch increments. B You do not need an exact > size but should use the > next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the > same as a size offered. > They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of > mineral spirits and > automatic transmission fluid. B I always use two grits > and normally start > with a 120 and then finish with a 240. > > http://www.enginehones.com/ > Steve Yott > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > FoT > I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've > used once and on the > second time round > It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. > Since they are made to a > specific bore size > their service life has to be limited but how limited ? > Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to > use while running a > hone. > Thanks as always, > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jan 29 08:52:57 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:52:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> References: , <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> Message-ID: So write/edit the book (someone has to do that in the end) for on-line usage or a disc and the individual can read on screen, download or print as he prefers. This could solve all the COSTS portion of a study. I treasure my books and have collections of everything some writers have written. I'd mention authors but do not want to start a never ending thread of comments. I now date the front page with the time of the re-read and allow three years to elapse in most cases, then read the entire collection in order. So throw out that junk in the garage and put in books, they will never argue, and will always give the same opinion no mater how much coffee or beer you spill on them, and they will help with the insulation in the garage so you can work longer in the winter. In the worst cases you can use them to cook up the brats and then have space for a new choice. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:50:15 -0700 > From: mdporter at dfn.com > To: TR3driver at ca.rr.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > On 1/28/2013 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: > >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > > > > > Amen to that. I still have my old chemistry textbook that is still a > pretty good reference, after more than forty years. I've lost books > I've written on the computer (and, yeah, shame on me for not doing > regular backups), but I've managed to hold on to the hard print books > I've collected over the years (apart from the ones stored in a guy's > barn when the roof blew off and the rain and snow turned them into > blocks of paper). But, then, I'm just an English major who likes the > look and feel of a real book in my hands. There's something solid and > reliable about a book one can pick up and hold in one's hands. > > Dead trees? I would guess that, in aggregate, copiers today use much > more paper for much less worthy purposes than do books. Hell, this is a > group that goes bug nuts at the suggestion to enable rules to convert to > fuel injection, or renewable fuels, but electronic books are preferable? > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jan 29 09:04:55 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> Message-ID: <635253457.462947.1359475495597.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yeah, and if you stack your books or place your book shelves on the right wall, they act as good insulation. And, if you place them like like my sweetie does, pretty soon you don't need curtains or windows even. Just kidding, it's really not that bad yet. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: "Randall" Cc: "FoTTriumph" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:50:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books On 1/28/2013 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: >> Why do it on dead trees? > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > Amen to that. I still have my old chemistry textbook that is still a pretty good reference, after more than forty years. I've lost books I've written on the computer (and, yeah, shame on me for not doing regular backups), but I've managed to hold on to the hard print books I've collected over the years (apart from the ones stored in a guy's barn when the roof blew off and the rain and snow turned them into blocks of paper). But, then, I'm just an English major who likes the look and feel of a real book in my hands. There's something solid and reliable about a book one can pick up and hold in one's hands. Dead trees? I would guess that, in aggregate, copiers today use much more paper for much less worthy purposes than do books. Hell, this is a group that goes bug nuts at the suggestion to enable rules to convert to fuel injection, or renewable fuels, but electronic books are preferable? Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jan 29 09:07:11 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:07:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <1359421112.83915.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1359421112.83915.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55E8BA775EB0461CB3692F81A5E5A993@gdhs.local> Hey Bobby....I heard yesterday that SVRA is putting on a ract at the Austin track with vintage and TransAm cars..... John H. 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BW ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 4:31:50 PM Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 29 09:47:46 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:47:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rod ends Message-ID: <6B47A864-CAC2-4AFE-8D05-9E338B2024BE@me.com> I'm tightening up the GT6 suspension, and shopping for rod ends. Historically I have just ordered from Pegasus, gotten the better quality alloy rod ends. This time I looked at the price and was a little stunned - $41 for a 7/16" male rod end. Problem is, I can't tell what Aurora model these are - are they AM, PRM, or something else. If AM, I can find these for $26 elsewhere. Anybody know, or have any recommendations for manufacturers, etc? These are for the trailing/locating rods for the lower inverted a-arm. From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 29 14:02:09 2013 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:02:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] flex hone. Message-ID: I forgot to mention, it is important to obtain a final cross-hatch pattern of about 30 degrees from horizontal with both the up and down strokes. I get this by using a 1/2" drive electric drill.the rotates at a fairly low rpm. If you have a fixed speed drill, you canhit the trigger "on while pulling the drill up through the bore and off while pushing it down and get a rythm going to give the correct pattern. This has never failed to give a good ring seal and easy break in. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: [CWE] Cometic Multi Layer Head Gaskets TR3-4 > This topic comes up every so often, but I don't think anything definitive > ever comes of it. > > I just called Cometic to see what can be done about a good multi-layer TR4 > head gasket for us racers. The current TR4 Cometic gasket is not a > multi-layer gasket, but rather it is a composite with rolled over fire > rings (still old technology and they can only can as a round fire ring). > They list this as for an 88 mm bore, but I don't think that it would work > with an 87 mm bore with the intake valve unshrouded. Others on FOT have > had them do a custom 89 mm bore gasket, but it was not unshrouded (may > work with an unshrouded 87 mm bore???). > > Cometic wants $3-4000 to tool up for a MLS gasket. I did not go any > further than that with them. I don't know if that means enough such > gaskets would need to be sold to cover the tooling cost??? > > I was wondering if there was enough demand out there for a multi-layer > gasket. If we could order 40 or 50 of them it may be worth them tooling > up for it. What say you? Joe(B) > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51082165c013021651600st04duc > > _______________________________________________ > Cwe mailing list > Cwe at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Jan 29 18:13:20 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:13:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] sponsorship "ad" for Levy's book? Message-ID: <510873B0.5000809@blacksburg.net> Amici, The comments about publishing a book (I vote for paper and would be glad to contribute) come at a serendipitous time. Burt Levy is about to publish his sequel to "The 200MPH Steamroller", and we thought it would be fitting to memorialize Jimmy and Lanky as we did for Uncle Jack. The artwork Joe and I collaborated on to memorialize them is finished and can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ (There's a nice tribute to Lanky in this month's Classic Motorsports, page 14, and Jimmy is noted in the great article about the TR250K on page 81.) So I'm looking for folks interested in contributing to a sponsorship "ad" in Levy's book, in addition to the 4 folks who have already signed on. Pls let me know by 11 FEB if you're interested. If we have critical mass, I'll press on with the effort and keep everyone in the loop. Tnx to Joan DeLap for taking the great photo of three "departing TR4s" and Joe's theme of "Departing Triumphs, Departed Friends". Dennis: I just noticed that I misspelled your name in the artwork. Damn, sorry. I'll fix it tomorrow. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From igofaster at att.net Tue Jan 29 19:05:09 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:05:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1359511509.67592.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> yeah! I wanna meet your wife! mine would have said, "Do what? " ...... Bobby ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 8:20:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 29 19:34:50 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:34:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com><6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud><8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1359511509.67592.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85772BE5ED9F41EDBD23D9392D4F6C55@Bud> I've always had fun wives!(:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > yeah! I wanna meet your wife! mine would have said, "Do what? " > ...... > Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 8:20:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > >>I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Yes TeriAnn, >> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >> hours. >> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >> 3 >> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >> 5:04 >> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: >>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>> multivintage.com>> vintage.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Janzen at REcatalyst.com Tue Jan 29 20:29:55 2013 From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:29:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Valve question Message-ID: <85F8C12A-4698-4B7F-B6E1-1343CFEB71BE@REcatalyst.com> well, the engine failed the leak-down test big time, with cylinders ranging from 2% to 46%. Sounds like bad exhaust valves for the worst offenders. I've been running stock valves - am thinking that now may be a good time to upgrade. Any recommendations? Mostly I'm just looking for better quality, not larger. From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 22:24:34 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:24:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Highest Elevation Raced in a Triumph References: <057BD9EC-A865-494C-8F1E-3817BD08211F@esri.com> Message-ID: > Folks- > I have read some mentions of Kas and Pikes Peak. Some of the local RMVR cars race up to the top of Pikes Peak (my neighbor races his Cuda up to the top every year and won first in class last year). What I haven't been able to tell is if a Triumph has made this climb, and wonder just how "high" Triumphs have raced around the world. > > At one point, I was thinking of setting up a second car for Pikes Peak. That second car is in the garage awaiting further instruction. I am now hearing that they are raising the entry fees to $1000s to keep the little guys out. > > It made me wonder who has raced up this mountain or at other high altitude events in a Triumph. Could be yet another story for the "book". I see the Peak every day and wonder. > > Thanks. > > Ty > > TR4 #413 From rjohns at woh.rr.com Wed Jan 30 14:59:02 2013 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] High Altitude racing Message-ID: <51414C75B7EA404D89008946D3A48D9B@Bucktailus> Hi guys, Tyler wonders who has raced a Triumph at high altitude? I will offer this submission. In the fall of 1956 I was racing what ever SCCA was running that I could reach. A hill climb came up to be run at Los Alamos. I went up on Saturday from Roswell, where I was stationed, and spent the afternoon tuning for the altitude. Come Sunday morning, I lined up and went off. I came back down after the run to line up again, for another try. The starter came over and said, Your time is some much better than others, why take another run, wait and see what the later times are. It ended up that I was second fastest run of the day. The only car faster was a 120 or 140 Jaguar from Los Alamos. There was a C3 or C4 Cunningham there, but he was way too rich. From memory,( that is a long time ago) Los Alamos is 10,00 feet and tuning for that altitude made the big difference. Robert Johns From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Jan 30 16:58:18 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] High Altitude racing In-Reply-To: <51414C75B7EA404D89008946D3A48D9B@Bucktailus> References: <51414C75B7EA404D89008946D3A48D9B@Bucktailus> Message-ID: <38810828-D319-4867-8015-5ACE63BD466A@comcast.net> In theory if you're running a constant depression carb like a ZS then altitude should not make a difference since the less dense air should pull less fuel. In practice many cars that have come from lower altitudes have found they run too rich at Colorado altitudes (5280 ft.) and above. Usually leaning the mixture helps. If you run Weber carbs or something similar then you have to do correct jets and venturies to get it right. Yes it makes a big difference since we have about 5psi less air pressure (inches of mercury) than at sea level. So a supercharger (with 5 psi of boost) in Denver would just about make up for how my TR6 ran at Galveston TX, or Jekyll Island where I was in heaven with the kick in the pants the accelerator gave me at those sea level venues. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > but he was way too rich. From memory,( > that is a long time ago) Los Alamos is 10,00 feet and tuning for that > altitude made the big difference. From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 31 08:47:37 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:47:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cometic Gaskets Message-ID: There has been some discussion off line about using a cometic 91mm composite gasket on a TR4. Can it be done? what mods required etc. I believe there are some list members that have been down that path. I am tossing this out there for your expertise. I have purchased one but have not installed it yet so I don't want to give bad info. What say ye? Thanks, Marty From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Jan 31 09:20:06 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] WTB: Cheap TR6 wheels Message-ID: <001101cdffce$d5dda130$8198e390$@aero> Posting for a friend: He is looking for a cheap set of straight, usable steel tr6 wheels? Do not want or need trim rings nor center caps, just the rims for autocross use. He will also consider ugly alloys.. In Texas. If you can help contact Dave dave at beanitos.com Thanks! From barry at penybryn.ca Thu Jan 31 12:45:00 2013 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:45:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Message-ID: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf Barry. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 15:33:36 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:33:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting In-Reply-To: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> References: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing A question: For a TR-6 [and probly all the fours], what is the "Makeup air line" -- that is, how does fresh air get into one of our crankcases? On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the > significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the > archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be > very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to > this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional > Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance > Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: > http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jan 31 15:41:56 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1208684921.492310.1359672116720.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I already use myB exhaust as a vacuum source plumbed through the seperator/catch tank and currently in the process of sealing the system starting with a threaded cap on my valve cover and minor mods to seal my dipstick so I can maximize the scavenging effect of the exhaust. I have no plans to allow fresh air in if I can help it. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: "Barry Munson" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:33:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Thanks for sharing A question: For a TR-6 [and probly all the fours], what is the "Makeup air line" -- that is, how does fresh air get into one of our crankcases? On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the > significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the > archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be > very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to > this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional > Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance > Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: > http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 31 16:03:33 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 00:03:33 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting In-Reply-To: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> References: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Message-ID: <000701ce0007$32ca8fb0$985faf10$@com> I destroyed 3 valves in short time. Then I made my own valve design which seem to last. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr p-IiCg/s983/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk ULsBvQ/s983/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Barry Munson Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2013 20:45 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf Barry. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu Jan 31 19:09:40 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:09:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cometic Gaskets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510B23E4.3010100@blacksburg.net> On 1/31/2013 10:47 AM, marty sukey wrote: > There has been some discussion off line about using a cometic 91mm composite > gasket on a TR4. Can it be done? what mods required etc. I believe there are > some list members that have been down that path. I am tossing this out there > for your expertise. I have purchased one but have not installed it yet so I > don't want to give bad info. What say ye? > > Thanks, > Marty > ________ > Marty, I have one and will never use anything else. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Jan 31 19:59:31 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 02:59:31 GMT Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Message-ID: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> My Honda S2000 has the dual catch can system with a PVC valve. After reading this i may try removing the PVC valve. My TR3 has a dry sump and thus has lots of crankcase ventilation, though I have not checked how much vacuum it pulls. I should data log it sometime. I think the vacuum break is set at 10 inches of vacuum, which is the lowest setting. Figured with too much vacuum it would just suck more in through everywhere else. Tractor engines have a lot of places for leaks. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:45:00 -0700 Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf Barry. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Jan 31 21:55:42 2013 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:55:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] WTB: Cheap TR6 wheels Message-ID: <13695.2717eeee.3e3ca4ce@aol.com> In a message dated 1/31/2013 11:21:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, list at mackenzie.aero writes: just the rims for autocross use. hmmm....I wouldn't do that with original TR6 steel wheels - particularly if he is going to use R-compound tires - he will eventually tear the centers out of the wheels - but that will probably be somewhat less ...ah...dramatic...or exciting in an autocross than it is in a road race. Cheers, Jack Mc From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jan 1 12:38:12 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:38:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs Message-ID: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? Sent from my iPhone From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 1 14:14:11 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <1357074851.72302.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I use MOROSO part# 46160 Happy New Year Everybody. Dennis --- On Tue, 1/1/13, John Hasty wrote: > From: John Hasty > Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs > To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" > Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 1:38 PM > Who would be a source for "long" > wheel studs other than ARP? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From malaboge at aol.com Tue Jan 1 21:06:40 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:06:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> References: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Try Miloden @86060 pre 63 GM bolts and I believe you need to ream the hubs to 19/32" ...about $25 for 10 of 'em. An old lug myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:38 am Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? Sent from my iPhone From malaboge at aol.com Tue Jan 1 21:14:00 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:14:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> References: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFB6B6B9BDE68F-DB8-45252@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> DOH... make that # 86060 darn fat phingers... -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: jhhasty ; fot Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:07 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheel studs Try Miloden @86060 pre 63 GM bolts and I believe you need to ream the hubs to 19/32" ...about $25 for 10 of 'em. An old lug myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:38 am Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 06:18:51 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:18:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <8CFB6B6B9BDE68F-DB8-45252@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> References: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> <8CFB6B6B9BDE68F-DB8-45252@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: John , Moser also makes the long studs, not that it matters but that may be the axles you are running from Southwich. On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:14 PM, wrote: > DOH... > > make that # 86060 darn fat phingers... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: malaboge > To: jhhasty ; fot > Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:07 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheel studs > > > Try Miloden @86060 pre 63 GM bolts and I believe you need to ream the > hubs > to 19/32" ...about $25 for 10 of 'em. > > An old lug myself... > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:38 am > Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs > > > Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 2 06:29:17 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:29:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <1357074851.72302.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1357074851.72302.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Jan 2013, Dennis DeLap wrote: > I use MOROSO part# 46160 > Happy New Year Everybody. Ditto and Ditto. > Dennis regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Jan 2 08:16:58 2013 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:16:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] trailer for sale Message-ID: <50E44F6A.4040808@bright.net> A friend of mine, and a former employee of Kas at Nissan, has a car trailer for sale. Specs are listed below. He is coming to Ohio to pick up his new trailer so possible delivery along the way. Trailer is in Dallas,TX . Contact information for Ron Johnson is rj8083 at verizon.net. Pictures on Dallas Craigslist, #3510059927. This is a clean, well cared for unit. Ted 1-owner (purchased new) / less than 4,000 miles / OA length is 27' / 4-wheel electric brakes / 2 5/16" 12.5K coupler / LED tail lights / Removable LH fender / 4' dove tail / 5' ramps w/diamond plate (not ladder style) / Ramps have longer chains for easy-pull w/gloves on / Pull-out ramps have provisions for security padlock / In-bed storage box w/lock (32x32x12 inches) / 3,500 lb axles w/leaf springs / Front mounted jack / Side-mounted spare tire carrier w/new spare tire / 2,000 lb top-wind jack / Four (4) 360 degree swivel D-rings / 205/75x15 tires / Full 1/8" steel diamond plate floor / Dexter EZ flex HD rubber suspension system / complete eaz-lift elite equalizing hitch system included Perfect for race, vintage or commercial use / Can haul anything from a Mini to a full-size SUV / And, because it has a fully plated bed, it can also be used for motorcycles, ATVs, lumber, pipe, hay, etc. / Color is black & condition is excellent. $3,500.00 OBO -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed Jan 2 09:00:05 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:00:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member nomination Message-ID: 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is a long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently purchased a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. Do I hear a second? Current Photo - TR3 http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ thanks mike 63 Spitfire race car 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street G. Michael Harmuth From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 2 09:32:10 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:32:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] New member nomination Message-ID: <12f9a.ddb75b6.3e15bb09@cs.com> Of course.........wet liner people are always welcome. 2nd > 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is a > long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently purchased > a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car > and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. > Do I hear a second? > > Current Photo - TR3 > http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ > > thanks > mike > > 63 Spitfire race car > 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars > 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street > > > G. Michael Harmuth > From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 2 09:56:02 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:56:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] New member nomination References: <12f9a.ddb75b6.3e15bb09@cs.com> Message-ID: I will second Rick Mcurdy RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] New member nomination > Of course.........wet liner people are always welcome. > > 2nd > > >> 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is >> a >> long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently >> purchased >> a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car >> and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. >> Do I hear a second? >> >> Current Photo - TR3 >> http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ >> >> thanks >> mike >> >> 63 Spitfire race car >> 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars >> 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street >> >> >> G. Michael Harmuth >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jan 2 09:14:06 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:14:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005301cde904$30786530$91692f90$@rr.com> Okay, second! russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:00 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fmccjr at aol.com Subject: [Fot] New member nomination 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is a long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently purchased a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. Do I hear a second? Current Photo - TR3 http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ thanks mike 63 Spitfire race car 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Jan 2 15:29:21 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:29:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? Which ones are good/not-so good.. Robert MacKenzie From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 2 15:32:37 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: <157AD9C8-D2AB-4083-BC78-4CA8C3E24CE9@me.com> I like the Hans Sport - rounded corners don't get hooked on the door frame of my GT6 coupe like the "standard" Hans. On Jan 2, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? Which ones are good/not-so good.. Robert MacKenzie _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Jan 2 16:26:09 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:26:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: They're all good. A HANS is a HANS by that name, other similar devices are knockoffs under different names and personally I like the original. I also don't like the idea of being trussed up in some collection of straps, just the HANS sitting on my shoulders (and under my shoulder belts) works just fine, thanks. Simple and elegant. But prices vary. I have the Hans Sport. It's nice, relatively low-cost, and the "extra weight" is negligible for a club racer doing 30-45 minute events. It might be a consideration for a guy doing a 4-hour NASCAR or triple-stints at the Daytona 24, but then those guys can afford the high-dollar carbon-fibre lightweight models. SafeRacer has some good prices on them. Be sure you get the right model -- they vary both for your neck size and how you sit in your car (laydown, upright). I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? > Which ones are good/not-so good.. > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Jan 2 16:27:06 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:27:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? > Which ones are good/not-so good.. > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 2 16:29:11 2013 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:29:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <14643495.1357169351344.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Get the HANS 20 degree layback model with the adjustable tethers. If you feel like dropping a few extra bucks, get the carbon-fiber model. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Robert MacKenzie >Sent: Jan 2, 2013 2:29 PM >To: 'Friends of Triumph' >Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > >Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? >Which ones are good/not-so good.. > >Robert MacKenzie >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 2 16:49:14 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:49:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: GForce also does the anchors to your hat. If possible I would go to your dealer and try on all the sizes with your hat. I found the "recommended" size was not the best for me when it was actually fitted. Be sure and get the theather straps that slide through their mounts. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:26 PM, "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > They're all good. A HANS is a HANS by that name, other similar devices are knockoffs under different names and personally I like the original. I also don't like the idea of being trussed up in some collection of straps, just the HANS sitting on my shoulders (and under my shoulder belts) works just fine, thanks. Simple and elegant. > > But prices vary. I have the Hans Sport. It's nice, relatively low-cost, and the "extra weight" is negligible for a club racer doing 30-45 minute events. It might be a consideration for a guy doing a 4-hour NASCAR or triple-stints at the Daytona 24, but then those guys can afford the high-dollar carbon-fibre lightweight models. > > SafeRacer has some good prices on them. Be sure you get the right model -- they vary both for your neck size and how you sit in your car (laydown, upright). > > I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. > > I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM > Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > > >> Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? >> Which ones are good/not-so good.. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 2 16:59:14 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:59:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: <200780A8-3D34-4155-A748-213E6255799C@gdhs.com> PS: also make sure your seat back is not too far forward at the top so your head can slant slightly back and you have free movement in all directions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:49 PM, John Hasty wrote: > GForce also does the anchors to your hat. If possible I would go to your dealer and try on all the sizes with your hat. I found the "recommended" size was not the best for me when it was actually fitted. Be sure and get the theather straps that slide through their mounts. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:26 PM, "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > >> They're all good. A HANS is a HANS by that name, other similar devices are knockoffs under different names and personally I like the original. I also don't like the idea of being trussed up in some collection of straps, just the HANS sitting on my shoulders (and under my shoulder belts) works just fine, thanks. Simple and elegant. >> >> But prices vary. I have the Hans Sport. It's nice, relatively low-cost, and the "extra weight" is negligible for a club racer doing 30-45 minute events. It might be a consideration for a guy doing a 4-hour NASCAR or triple-stints at the Daytona 24, but then those guys can afford the high-dollar carbon-fibre lightweight models. >> >> SafeRacer has some good prices on them. Be sure you get the right model -- they vary both for your neck size and how you sit in your car (laydown, upright). >> >> I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. >> >> I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. >> >> --Rocky Entriken >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" >> To: "'Friends of Triumph'" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM >> Subject: [Fot] HANS Device >> >> >>> Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? >>> Which ones are good/not-so good.. >>> >>> Robert MacKenzie >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Jan 3 06:59:04 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:59:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd recommend the HANS Sport 20 degree with the sliding brackets. I don't have the quick disconnect, open cockpit Spitfire, I just slip the helmet and HANS on as a unit before I slide down into the seat. The sliding tethers allow enough movement from side to side that I really don't notice I have it on. In the past I raced a formula 500 open wheel car and used one of the full body strap type restraints. I felt like a pot roast, all laced up, the HANS device is a big improvement. Oh, and the HANS system does work. I had a diff break a tooth and lock up, taking out a 1/2 shaft down the front straight at Limerock. Quick spin into the wall and a shorter car. I didn't even get a stiff neck from the impact, but my wife sure gave me an ear ache when she saw the car. Good new was I was there to hear it. Got the whole thing on video. into the wall http://s32.beta.photobucket.com/user/harmug/media/into%20the%20wall/IntotheWa llFacebookcut.mp4.html mike G. Michael Harmuth From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jan 3 16:00:27 2013 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:00:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH World February/March 2012 Message-ID: <8CFB81D41505E23-AFC-440D@webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com> Amici... My February/March issue of Triumph World arrived today, and has a ton of great articles in it. Part 1 of 2 Kas Kastner Interview (five pages) An article on Spitfire racing in the USA (our own Mark Craig) Why the TR7 had the biggest impact of all Triumph sports cars; Getting a Rover V8 in a Doretti; And about fifteen others...all good stuff... Bill Dentinger From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jan 3 19:22:33 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 02:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add Message-ID: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello all, I just wanted to share what I just found in the latest issue of Victory Lane magazine, a fantastic full page add with large photo of 3 racing TR4s in action. In the photo are Sean Alexander, Dennis DeLap and...? Nice exciting shot! See Y'all there and best wishes for a great New Year, Dave H. From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 3 19:43:17 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:43:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add References: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <95D0A131054D47B88AE37C96BDF96A02@Bud> thanks Dave..great photo! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "davehogye" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 6:22 PM Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add > Hello all, > I just wanted to share what I just found in the latest issue of Victory > Lane magazine, a fantastic full page add with large photo of 3 racing TR4s > in action. > In the photo are Sean Alexander, Dennis DeLap and...? Nice exciting shot! > See Y'all there and best wishes for a great New Year, > Dave H. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 3 20:01:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 22:01:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup ad In-Reply-To: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CFB83EF95491D5-16F8-6352@webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com> Dave, Yup, that's SEAN, DENNIS, and BOB WISMER. The photo credit goes to Joan DeLap. It has been one of my favorite photographs, for a long time. Apparently, VSCDA has very good taste...... I would vote for this to have on our event shirt, but I have a different vision for the shirt that would involve a more retro theme. We should know more in a couple of weeks.....it's really not up to me. Right now the KCUP 2013 is looking very good, Great photo....thanks JUST JOAN! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: davehogye To: Fot Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:23 pm Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add Hello all, I just wanted to share what I just found in the latest issue of Victory Lane magazine, a fantastic full page add with large photo of 3 racing TR4s in action. In the photo are Sean Alexander, Dennis DeLap and...? Nice exciting shot! See Y'all there and best wishes for a great New Year, Dave H. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 4 13:39:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 15:39:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 Message-ID: <8CFB8D2ADB7A1B2-17C8-BE82@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Does anyone have contact information for Robert Stadel? Ambro. Tony Garmey says he will be coming but wont know which cars until JAN/FEB time frame....TR250? Hope so. Hope everyone is doing well with OSTHOFF RESERVATIONS. Lots of three BR suites are reserved as it cost effective. I will be opening up the Osthoff reservations to other groups, like the VTR, as we have a working relationship with them. We will have first pass FOT POSTER by the 15th of January....Steve Belfer. This will likely result in the artwork for the event shirt......Marty Sukey As you know, VSCDA is doing very well with advertising this event. John Houlton, Chair, Jason Ostrowski, Paddock Master, Tim Murphy, and I plan to come in early to rope off paddock area. I am looking for a couple COMMERCIAL sponsors for a couple low dollar features. Any interest? Lots of little details to be worked out but it's coming along. Thanks for all of the support. VSCDA.ORG ROADAMERICA.COM FOT-RACE.COM OSTHOF.COM Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From jsukey at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 22:30:59 2013 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 00:30:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts Message-ID: I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? Thanks for any input, Jason Sukey From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Jan 5 06:14:56 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 08:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50E82750.9070201@cfl.rr.com> Send a core cam to Ric Cline. He will machine you a race cam. He has been building a racing GT6's forever. I have an address and phone number if you are interested. Bob On 1/5/13 12:30 AM, Jason Sukey wrote: > I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 > cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any > experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? > Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? > > For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 > rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a > GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come > on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and > lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be > similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? > > Thanks for any input, > > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jan 5 09:10:34 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:10:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts In-Reply-To: <50E82750.9070201@cfl.rr.com> References: <50E82750.9070201@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CFB976533452E9-1CCC-11357@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> Jason, Ric Cline will be able to answer all your questions and needs. Just tell him your intensions with the GT6 and you might find he already has your particular grind sitting on his shelf. He was very helpfull in my search for my autocrossing Spitfire and very pleased so far with the results. Good luck, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts Send a core cam to Ric Cline. He will machine you a race cam. He has een building a racing GT6's forever. I have an address and phone number f you are interested. Bob n 1/5/13 12:30 AM, Jason Sukey wrote: I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? Thanks for any input, Jason Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sat Jan 5 13:57:26 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:57:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] H6 Gland packing help Message-ID: <1357419446.9152.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have been doing some work on the TR4 race car over the winter here in the Northwest. I am switching to an H6 carb set up from the HS6 carbs I had used the last 3 years (long story on why - though I had a carb problem when it was a head gasket). I am having problems with the packing leaking around the Jets. The Jets are new from Joe Curto. When initially put the carbs on the car and applied fuel pressure they started dripping. I replaced the new cork packings with the Orings that Moss sells. They leaked as well. So I did some looking on the internet and SU says to soak the cork packings in motor oil. I did that and put the carbs back together after soaking. I had some head work done and finally have the engine all together. I ran the engine today for the first time and the jets are still leaking. Does the leaking go away the carbs have been used awhile? The Jets never actually get used other than to center the needle with no choke linkages. Any ideas would be appriciated. thanks!!! Mike Mehl #46 TR4 - Vancouver Washington From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jan 5 18:22:09 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:22:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] New Video Message-ID: <50E8D1C1.2070304@comcast.net> Happy New Year FOT. To help you get your thoughts back on racing, I've posted a new video on Youtube. It's from the final race at the Columbia River Classic in Portland. This was Monday afternoon of Labor Day weekend and a lot of the cars had already left for home. Jeff Quick in his TR4 and Gary Silcox in the Elva started at the back for fun. You see them blast by me on lap 2. There's also some good footage of Bill Hart's Devin during the first couple of laps. The video ends early because of the 15 minute time limit on Youtube. I used Dashware to synch my AIM data with the GoPro video. The only problem is the lap count is off since I started the data system in the paddock to watch the temps as I warmed up the car. Every time the data gets turned on and off, it counts as a lap. Need to figure out how to reset it on pregrid. Anyway, enjoy! Jim Norlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9yt7zJHwSc From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jan 5 19:17:58 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:17:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Video In-Reply-To: <50E8D1C1.2070304@comcast.net> Message-ID: Well driven Jim, really nice course too. Jim Gray -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Norlin Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:22 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] New Video Happy New Year FOT. To help you get your thoughts back on racing, I've posted a new video on Youtube. It's from the final race at the Columbia River Classic in Portland. This was Monday afternoon of Labor Day weekend and a lot of the cars had already left for home. Jeff Quick in his TR4 and Gary Silcox in the Elva started at the back for fun. You see them blast by me on lap 2. There's also some good footage of Bill Hart's Devin during the first couple of laps. The video ends early because of the 15 minute time limit on Youtube. I used Dashware to synch my AIM data with the GoPro video. The only problem is the lap count is off since I started the data system in the paddock to watch the temps as I warmed up the car. Every time the data gets turned on and off, it counts as a lap. Need to figure out how to reset it on pregrid. Anyway, enjoy! Jim Norlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9yt7zJHwSc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 6 08:31:57 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:31:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Message-ID: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out New high torque starter New battery Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load New radiator Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I got it I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be applicable to this particular problem. The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured that to be 175-180 F at the cap. I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. Thanks for your suggestions, Greg From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jan 6 08:38:19 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel pump, though it could very well be fuel percolation as well. With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, and not just with TRs. I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel pump. Terry Stetler From mpendy at dishmail.net Sun Jan 6 08:47:39 2013 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 07:47:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: Make sure the the ignition coil is'nt the culprit.....alot of heat breaks down the internals. Just a thought Mark P On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel > pump, though it could very well be > fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, > and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel > pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From igofaster at att.net Sun Jan 6 09:25:28 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:25:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight Message-ID: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a sale in my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer tool cart 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my car hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough if you own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not mentioned but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. I've got my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought those years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of backlash from toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know not to lick our Chinese tools... Bobby From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 09:38:21 2013 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:38:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Video In-Reply-To: <20130106023150.716DB40551@autox.team.net> References: <20130106023150.716DB40551@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0A330E3A-2F2B-4566-B1B4-06BD65F6B744@yahoo.com> Hey dude. I am laid up this weekend. Had wrist surgery Friday and been on some good drugs. Loopy is a good word for me. Tu Sent from my iPhone '63 Triumph TR4 DP Race Car ++++ On Jan 5, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Well driven Jim, really nice course too. > Jim Gray > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jim Norlin > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:22 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] New Video > > Happy New Year FOT. To help you get your thoughts back on racing, I've > posted a new video on Youtube. It's from the final race at the Columbia > River Classic in Portland. This was Monday afternoon of Labor Day > weekend and a lot of the cars had already left for home. Jeff Quick in > his TR4 and Gary Silcox in the Elva started at the back for fun. You > see them blast by me on lap 2. There's also some good footage of Bill > Hart's Devin during the first couple of laps. The video ends early > because of the 15 minute time limit on Youtube. > > I used Dashware to synch my AIM data with the GoPro video. The only > problem is the lap count is off since I started the data system in the > paddock to watch the temps as I warmed up the car. Every time the data > gets turned on and off, it counts as a lap. Need to figure out how to > reset it on pregrid. > > Anyway, enjoy! > > Jim Norlin > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9yt7zJHwSc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jan 6 09:56:31 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:56:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: > what > are the solutions other than heat shield? Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. -- Randall From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Jan 6 10:10:35 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 11:10:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50E9B00B.5070502@pobox.com> I can't tell you how the power curves would compare, but generally, if you have a motor which is capable of higher revs you will want to use a cam with more duration, i.e. valve open longer. I beat this subject to death at my website http://tildentechnologies.com/. In my opinion, for a 7 to 8,000 RPM motor you probably want at least 260 degrees duration at 0.050 lift. What kind of cams are the other hot GT6 racers running? Larry Young On 1/4/2013 11:30 PM, Jason Sukey wrote: > I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 > cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any > experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? > Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? > > For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 > rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a > GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come > on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and > lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be > similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? > > Thanks for any input, > > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Jan 6 10:23:47 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:23:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Message-ID: In a message dated 01/06/2013 10:56:38 AM Central Standard Time, TR3driver at ca.rr.com writes: > > what > > are the solutions other than heat shield? > > Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I > also > recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with > no > choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. > I used to have big problems restarting my 'HOT' early TR3 (SU carbs) after enduro pit stops, red flag stops, etc. But these 'HOT' restarting problems went away after (at Henry Frye's suggestion) I put my electric fuel pump on a switch. Thereafter when the car was 'HOT' I would turn off the fuel pump, count to ten, before turning off the engine. Have not had a 'HOT' engine starting problem since. Even when coming back to the paddock after a track session, I now turn off the fuel pump, count to ten, before turning off the engine. If I do that, no problem restarting the 'HOT' race car in my paddock either. Not sure how this relates to Stromberg carbs. Bill Dentinger From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jan 6 10:42:06 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:42:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS Message-ID: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars because of heat buildup and quality of gas. Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean Alexander. They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an exclusive one for GoodParts. Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? > > > From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jan 6 11:17:17 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 11:17:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: " but as adults we should know not to lick our Chinese tools..." Bobby you crack me up :) I pledge to practice safe mechanics and not lick my Chinese tools. Jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 9:25 AM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a sale in my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer tool cart 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my car hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough if you own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not mentioned but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. I've got my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought those years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of backlash from toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know not to lick our Chinese tools... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sun Jan 6 11:33:02 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:33:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1357497182.6503.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sounds like the coil to me. ________________________________ From: Greg & Alison Blake To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Sun, January 6, 2013 7:33:36 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out New high torque starter New battery Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load New radiator Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I got it I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be applicable to this particular problem. The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured that to be 175-180 F at the cap. I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. Thanks for your suggestions, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 6 12:47:37 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:47:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> Greg Does the girl line have any crud in it ? It would be easy to believe there rust, varnish and the like. I had one car that needed a new fuel line. I tried very hard to clean the old one but it appeared that the restrictions enabled the vapor lock issues. You can substitute a temporary rubber fuel line from tank to pump to see if it helps. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel > pump, though it could very well be > fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Jan 6 13:24:00 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 15:24:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <50E9DD60.4010703@charter.net> Greg As dumb or simple as it may sound, try switching your gas station. I don't know where you live but the switch was on to winter blended fuels which would have a higher reed vapor pressure and more likely to boil or vapor lock. I take car of more than a dozen guys cars here locally (Southeast Michigan) and haven't had much of an issue with the problem. About half of those. I have rebuilt the carbs, replaced the vacuum valves but kept the hot idle compensator's intact. I have had fuel injected cars run into the same problems when the % alcohol content is too high. Remember they add more alcohol as a cheaper way to raise octane on pump fuel. Glenn On 1/6/2013 10:31 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great > when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue > with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit > for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: > > Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out > > New high torque starter > > New battery > > Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. > Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load > > New radiator > > Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I > got it > > I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be > applicable to this particular problem. > > The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured > that to be 175-180 F at the cap. > > > > I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the > fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last > weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel > pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what > are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on > the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it > should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. > > > > When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I > usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it > going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. > > > > Thanks for your suggestions, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jan 6 13:25:54 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:25:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <50E9DDD2.1040603@comcast.net> I had similar problems with my racing Spit. Wouldn't restart after the engine heat soaked. The only way to get it to restart was to pour cold water on the intake manifold to cool it. After I had the carbs (SU's) rebuilt, the problem totally went away. The throttle shafts and throttle body were worn and apparently there was too much air leakage. This was verified when we put the car on the chassis dyno last spring. The only thing changed was the rebuilt carbs, and we had to lean them out significantly to get the car to run right. Gained about 2 hp. On 1/6/2013 7:31 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great > when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue > with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit > for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: > > Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out > > New high torque starter > > New battery > > Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. > Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load > > New radiator > > Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I > got it > > I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be > applicable to this particular problem. > > The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured > that to be 175-180 F at the cap. > > > > I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the > fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last > weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel > pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what > are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on > the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it > should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. > > > > When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I > usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it > going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. > > > > Thanks for your suggestions, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 6 13:59:34 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 15:59:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS In-Reply-To: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> References: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars because of heat buildup and quality of gas. Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean Alexander. They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an exclusive one for GoodParts. Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? > > > From spitlist at cox.net Sun Jan 6 14:16:22 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 14:16:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: "Girl" line? Is this an auto correction feature of your I Phone? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 12:48 PM To: Terry Stetler Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Greg Does the girl line have any crud in it ? It would be easy to believe there rust, varnish and the like. I had one car that needed a new fuel line. I tried very hard to clean the old one but it appeared that the restrictions enabled the vapor lock issues. You can substitute a temporary rubber fuel line from tank to pump to see if it helps. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel > pump, though it could very well be > fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 6 16:32:43 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS In-Reply-To: <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> References: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <73960577B9A8473580EA5E3611B67443@UserTHINK> Joe's Heat Shield solved issues with my 4A as well. They are especially useful if the engine driven fan is replaced by an electric fan. In slow traffic or in stopped traffic there is not a sufficient amount of air being moved until the electric fan kicks in which could be a few minutes or longer. That's enough time for the exhaust manifold to radiate a lot of heat up and under the carb float bowls. An excellent improvement for our cars, well designed and manufactured, perfect fit too. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 3:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars because of heat buildup and quality of gas. Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean Alexander. They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an exclusive one for GoodParts. Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Jan 6 17:57:30 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:57:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS In-Reply-To: <73960577B9A8473580EA5E3611B67443@UserTHINK> References: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> <73960577B9A8473580EA5E3611B67443@UserTHINK> Message-ID: <1EC7709B-DBF0-4BF9-8755-3F6F4D428C35@gdhs.com> Ceramic coating of the exhaust header reduces the heat by 35%. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 6:32 PM, "Jerry Van Vlack" wrote: > Joe's Heat Shield solved issues with my 4A as well. They are especially useful if the engine driven fan is replaced by an electric fan. In slow traffic or in stopped traffic there is not a sufficient amount of air being moved until the electric fan kicks in which could be a few minutes or longer. That's enough time for the exhaust manifold to radiate a lot of heat up and under the carb float bowls. An excellent improvement for our cars, well designed and manufactured, perfect fit too. > > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 3:59 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS > > Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also > recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no > choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------- > > My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars > because of heat buildup and quality of gas. > > Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I > reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on > production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean > Alexander. > > They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an > exclusive one for GoodParts. > > Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts > if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 6 21:15:23 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:15:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <005101cdec8d$9d345990$d79d0cb0$@rr.com> Don't know about the Girl Line, but the fuel line is new from tank to the rebuilt pump. The line from the pump to the carbs is still the old line. I've been looking at the old cruddy line from the pump to the front carb and thinking I should replace it. While I am at it, is there a better routing for the TR6 fuel line than right under the water pump? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:48 PM To: Terry Stetler Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Greg Does the girl line have any crud in it ? It would be easy to believe there rust, varnish and the like. I had one car that needed a new fuel line. I tried very hard to clean the old one but it appeared that the restrictions enabled the vapor lock issues. You can substitute a temporary rubber fuel line from tank to pump to see if it helps. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical > fuel pump, though it could very well be fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common > problem, and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric > fuel pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Jan 6 22:14:23 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 00:14:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] H6 Gland packing help Message-ID: <1a09c.b819c17.3e1bb3af@aol.com> Mike, I used to get great comments from the SF SCCA inspectors about my TR3's SUs not leaking. I used liberal amounts of petroleum jelly with the cork seals. Have you checked the jet outside surfaces and diameters for scratches or other issues that could hurt the seals? Even new parts need to be checked. Are you certain that the leaks are from the jet OD? Please be advised that when I went from the H6 to the HS6 the change was beyond track tuning in the limited amount of time available during a National weekend for a very modified motor. I had the complete H6 system to reinstall, and did for that weekend. The center pull linkage for the butterfly shafts of the HS6 is much more reliable in my experience, and we did get them to work very well. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 1/6/2013 8:57:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] H6 Gland packing help Message-ID: <1357419446.9152.YahooMailNeo at web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been doing some work on the TR4 race car over the winter here in the Northwest. I am switching to an H6 carb set up from the HS6 carbs I had used the last 3 years (long story on why - though I had a carb problem when it was a head gasket). I am having problems with the packing leaking around the Jets. The Jets are new from Joe Curto. When initially put the carbs on the car and applied fuel pressure they started dripping. I replaced the new cork packings with the Orings that Moss sells. They leaked as well. So I did some looking on the internet and SU says to soak the cork packings in motor oil. I did that and put the carbs back together after soaking. I had some head work done and finally have the engine all together. I ran the engine today for the first time and the jets are still leaking. Does the leaking go away the carbs have been used awhile? The Jets never actually get used other than to center the needle with no choke linkages. Any ideas would be appriciated. thanks!!! Mike Mehl #46 TR4 - Vancouver Washington From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 06:04:56 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:04:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <8E4EEEA1-405E-4C21-A075-6D60F4EF8D18@comcast.net> References: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <8E4EEEA1-405E-4C21-A075-6D60F4EF8D18@comcast.net> Message-ID: I also use the Hylomar Blue, works good, seals good....believe it or nor you use to could get it at Harbor Freight ! On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Bud R wrote: > I'm a "Right Stuff" user too. > > It works great and I've even used it to stop leaks on the outer edge > of a timing cover that I didn't have the time or inclination to go > through the whole process of removing all the things needed to pull > the cover. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Steve Yott wrote: > > > I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on > > everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... > > > > Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you > > don't > > want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff > > as it > > will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. > > > > Steve Yott > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > > On > > Behalf Of Dennis Delap > > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM > > To: Bob Kramer > > Cc: FOT > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > > > Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a > > sealant these > > days? > > > > > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer > > wrote: > > > >> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set > >> it > >> all > > up > >> dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have > >> less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are > >> stamped and > > press > >> down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will > >> need > >> to > > have > >> custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > >> > >> Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get > >> them > > out > >> before spending money on the crank! > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> > >>> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am > >>> working on > >> the > >>> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This > >>> is > >>> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new > >>> sleeves. > >>> Head > >> gasket > >>> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel > >>> and > > could > >> be > >>> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > >>> Question > > is, > >> do > >>> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > >>> > >>> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to > >>> remove > >> the > >>> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out > >>> sufficiently. > > It > >>> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple > >>> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm > >>> thinking they > >> will > >>> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 7 06:35:19 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:35:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com><77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> <005101cdec8d$9d345990$d79d0cb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <95807B9E1B3B42249F12B5F32D4C0B98@TRIUMPH.local> The race car is a completely different story, Bill Dentinger's post explained my take on that issue. But in the street driving world, I guess I have been lucky. In all my years of driving SU/Stromberg Triumphs on the street I never really had a hot start problem. I agree with Jim Norlin's experience, having your carbs 100% right seems to be at least part of the solution. I have built two modified TR4 street engines in the past several years. The first one is my buddy's car, it has with a cam, some head work, a stock TR4A exhaust manifold and belt driven fan. Mine has a bigger cam, even more head work, a header and an electric fan. Both are running stock mechanical fuel pumps and neither has a heat shield. Both got new HS6's direct from Burlen in the UK. We routinely load up the cars with our wives and gear and try to drive the wheels off. I can recall countless stop and go bathroom breaks and gas stops in very hot weather that had me wondering if the cars would restart, but they always fire right up. I read somewhere long long ago (I am thinking it's in the owners manual) that you are supposed to hold the throttle open about 1/3 open when cranking a hot engine, when you do that the engine usually fires immediately. It's nice to hear people having hot start issues in January, for the better part of the past week I have been seeing single digits in the morning glance of the thermometer! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems > > what are the solutions other than heat shield? From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 7 22:29:11 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:29:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. My tools go back 45 years, a combination of Craftsman, MAC, Snap On, Proto, and other quality brands. And Lincoln welders. Life's too short to buy cheap tools. Or cheap bikes. Or in the old days, cheap beer! Ya gets what ya pays for. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight > I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a > sale in > my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer > tool cart > 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my > car > hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough > if you > own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not > mentioned > but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. > I've got > my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought > those > years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... > Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of > backlash from > toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know > not > to lick our Chinese tools... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Jan 8 06:22:36 2013 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:22:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Message-ID: <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and have none to measure. Thanks, Richard Good From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 07:53:58 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:53:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Message-ID: <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jan 8 08:11:43 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:11:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> The vast majority of my "Buffalo" brand socket set (purchased who knows where) is, thankfully, gone. Broken, not lost. I purchased that socket set around 1987 to do my first solo wrenching - changing a water pump, in the parking lot of our apartment building. Naturally, it rained. I never had any of my own tools before that, as my dad (GT6 racer Jerry Barr) was always a short drive away, with a bottomless toolbox and decades of wrenching experience. The tools sold at Harbor Freight these days seem of higher quality than that old Buffalo brand socket set, but I try to get Craftsman or better. Scott B. (must be winter, if we're down to talking about tools. Is it time for The Great Transmission Debate again?) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:54 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jan 8 08:40:23 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <37246ED617AE475389FED3D14D9CB81B@gdhs.local> No debate from me, I learned my lesson the last time I brought it up! John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 10:12 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight The vast majority of my "Buffalo" brand socket set (purchased who knows where) is, thankfully, gone. Broken, not lost. I purchased that socket set around 1987 to do my first solo wrenching - changing a water pump, in the parking lot of our apartment building. Naturally, it rained. I never had any of my own tools before that, as my dad (GT6 racer Jerry Barr) was always a short drive away, with a bottomless toolbox and decades of wrenching experience. The tools sold at Harbor Freight these days seem of higher quality than that old Buffalo brand socket set, but I try to get Craftsman or better. Scott B. (must be winter, if we're down to talking about tools. Is it time for The Great Transmission Debate again?) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:54 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 8 08:58:45 2013 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> I have a set of socket wrenches that I bought at Penney's over 40 years ago. I bought them because they were about 10-15% less than the Craftsman brand. They had the same lifetime guarantee as Sears. Unfortunately, they stopped selling tools in the early '80s. Still work great, other than the 7/16 that some got lost under the carpet of the Spit for about 20 years. A Snap-On found on the race track replaced that. As for Harbor Freight and other el cheapo tools, I will buy them as a one time deal for limited jobs. But when they need replacing, I try to buy quality. I bought a cheap tap and die set years ago. As the original wear out, they get replaced with good stuff. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:54 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jan 8 09:06:40 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tools Message-ID: <73D441C8376946E39464AD07AA5AA5F6@hpd530> TeriAnn, glad you weren't afraid to get your hands dirty and learn how to fix things! My kind of girl! (That's a compliment, not a sexist remark!) My first engine overhaul was my '64 Tempest, after reading many Hot Rod how-to-do-it articles. It came out OK, after a bit of help from a friend. Scott and Scott, I still have the complete set of sockets and box end wrenches from Wizard, Western Auto's brand, bought in the late '50's. They hang on the same board that I nailed to the wall, as a ten year old, in our new garage, built in '59! They still get used, especially on my old Farmalls. There were many little-known tool brands produced in that era, mostly good quality. When buying pliers, there's only one brand and they're made 15 miles south of me in Meadville, PA. Blue handles. I have friends who work there. Channellock. They have a new set of MIG welding pliers out, far superior to the import stuff. And not horribly expensive. Funny, if you go to China Freight, their brand of pliers is hanging on the display rack. Channellocks are locked in a cabinet! We're supposed to have some nice weather for a few days, fairly warm. Time to go pull the engine in the TR6 and overhaul it. Off to the garage............ Cheers, Bill From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 8 09:37:21 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:37:21 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Split seals TR 3-4 In-Reply-To: <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <007a01cdedbe$6f6f80c0$4e4e8240$@com> Hi guys, how things are going? I would like to thank all people for purchasing my Viton seal solution in the past. I never thought that this type of crank seal might become such a big deal in Triumph cars and racing. Now the number of 250 seals are sold and I think most of them are now implanted to Triumph or Morgan cars. How cool is that? I also would like to thank Joe Alexander for his effort to keep this project going and making excellent suggestions to improve this solution. As usual he stocks the Viton seals for the USA/Canada market. At the moment the Viton seal is asked as never before. The last two weeks I sold 15 kits all about Europe mostly UK. I'm pleased to see that and had so far only two complaints. The first one said, the seal was leaking badly after mounting. A replacement was dry. The other one didn't check his flywheel bolt length and the 4 bolts ripped the Viton seal to bits. Bad luck for that. All 248 other seals seem to work okay as I had no bad feedback so far, only emails with good results. So I'm happy if people have now a leak free race car and fun on the tracks. Cheers Chris From igofaster at att.net Tue Jan 8 09:41:03 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:41:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Message-ID: <1357663263.87910.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> being a tool guy all my life (not just a tool) I remember the Japanese company that had a company in USA Japan.... I think they we're told to cease and desist... BGW ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: Bobby Whitehead ; FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, January 7, 2013 11:29:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. My tools go back 45 years, a combination of Craftsman, MAC, Snap On, Proto, and other quality brands. And Lincoln welders. Life's too short to buy cheap tools. Or cheap bikes. Or in the old days, cheap beer! Ya gets what ya pays for. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight > I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a sale >in > my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer tool >cart > 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my car > hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough if you > own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not mentioned > but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. I've got > my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought those > years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... > Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of backlash >from > toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know not > to lick our Chinese tools... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 09:51:40 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:51:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> Message-ID: <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> Richard, I measured 2.52 inches on both sets of 1 1/4 carbs I have. Glad to see you doing more Spitfire parts. How bout a LSD next. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Richard Good wrote: > I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two > bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to > center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and > have none to measure. > > Thanks, > Richard Good _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 10:21:03 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 12:21:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530>, <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC>, <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> Message-ID: I second the motion :) Marty > From: levilevi at comcast.net > To: goodparts at verizon.net > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:51:40 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] carb bolt pattern > > Richard, > > I measured 2.52 inches on both sets of 1 1/4 carbs I have. Glad to see > you doing more Spitfire parts. How bout a LSD next. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Richard Good wrote: > > > I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two > > bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to > > center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and > > have none to measure. > > > > Thanks, > > Richard Good _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jan 8 10:38:24 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:38:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <37246ED617AE475389FED3D14D9CB81B@gdhs.local> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530><50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com><82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <37246ED617AE475389FED3D14D9CB81B@gdhs.local> Message-ID: As far as hand tools are concerned, I stay with my Craftsman, Snap-On, MAC etc, but I have discovered that electric tools such as grinders, Sawsalls, sanders and so forth are all made in China (even the name brands) and don't last very long. So my purchasing strategy is to buy the cheapest one knowing that I will have to buy another one when it breaks. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:40 AM To: 'Barr, Scott'; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight No debate from me, I learned my lesson the last time I brought it up! From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Jan 8 11:20:41 2013 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:20:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your help. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Bud R To: Richard Good Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] carb bolt pattern Richard, I measured 2.52 inches on both sets of 1 1/4 carbs I have. Glad to see you doing more Spitfire parts. How bout a LSD next. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Richard Good wrote: I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and have none to measure. Thanks, Richard Good _______________________________________________ From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 8 12:53:50 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:53:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Split seals TR 3-4 In-Reply-To: <007a01cdedbe$6f6f80c0$4e4e8240$@com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <007a01cdedbe$6f6f80c0$4e4e8240$@com> Message-ID: <8CFBBF10310566D-1980-28DC3@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> FOT: After two years of sales of this product designed by Chris Marx, it has become a proven product. I have been passing these components through at my cost to support the project, and I am not at all unhappy I have done this. Chris has turned production of the seals over to another company that has huge buying power. Chris has also worked with this company to produce the split scroll seal to the Viton Seal specifications. This is far preferable over remanufacturing and modifying the old scroll seals. (A large pain in my A**). So the cost of the seal has gone down and the cost of the new scroll has gone up. That all being said, I have the new VITON SEALS, the new SCROLLS, and the CENTERING TOOLS all on the shelf. I will be rethinking the pricing as I sometimes have a couple of thousand in inventory and it's time I made some profit on these. They will still be lower cost than you can get them from Europe or in the U.S. My pleasure. I currently have five scrolls on the shelf, if anyone needs a kit or individual components, please contact me. Best Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:37 am Subject: [Fot] Split seals TR 3-4 Hi guys, how things are going? I would like to thank all people for purchasing my Viton seal solution in the past. I never thought that this type of crank seal might become such a big deal in Triumph cars and racing. Now the number of 250 seals are sold and I think most of them are now implanted to Triumph or Morgan cars. How cool is that? I also would like to thank Joe Alexander for his effort to keep this project going and making excellent suggestions to improve this solution. As usual he stocks the Viton seals for the USA/Canada market. At the moment the Viton seal is asked as never before. The last two weeks I sold 15 kits all about Europe mostly UK. I'm pleased to see that and had so far only two complaints. The first one said, the seal was leaking badly after mounting. A replacement was dry. The other one didn't check his flywheel bolt length and the 4 bolts ripped the Viton seal to bits. Bad luck for that. All 248 other seals seem to work okay as I had no bad feedback so far, only emails with good results. So I'm happy if people have now a leak free race car and fun on the tracks. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Jan 8 13:51:27 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:51:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] ref: contact cline Message-ID: <8CFBBF90EA1CC1A-1124-288CB@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Amici, For those looking to contact Ric Cline with questions about his Camshafts and their availability -- Email at : rcline369 at aol.com Cheers, Bob T From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 8 18:01:45 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:01:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] uncle jack THE TRIUMPH STAG making an appearance at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <8CFBC1131C37D7B-1980-2B5F7@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBC1131C37D7B-1980-2B5F7@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFBC1C076F37B3-1980-2BD72@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Sometime ago, I invited "uncle jack" to come to the 11th Running of the Kastner Cup. For you that are unfamiliar with the story, this Stag is named for our late Friend, Jack Drews. The ISOA did a complete and total restoration of a TRIUMPH STAG for Jon Macartney's 10,000 mile or so trek around North America in a non-profit charity effort for PSTD. Following the TOUR the Stag known as 'uncle jack' was auctioned off and the winning bid was submitted by PHIL ETHIER, of St. Paul, MN. Phil and his wife will be bringing 'uncle jack' to spend the weekend with us and will assume some important duties during the weekend. Some one may decide to call a meeting of the SINGLE MALT SOCIETY, that being one of Jack's favorite adult beverages. (the only requirement for membership is a shot of single malt in your hand for a toast to 'uncle jack'. It's part of what we are about. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 9 08:47:04 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:47:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 Message-ID: Hi, Car: TR6, non-vintage, current Solo car in SCCA. I'm going through my "list" for 2013 and one of the things that has come up again is tire availability... Goodyear has pulled out of Solo, so I can only get cantilever slicks from Hoosier or at least that's where my search has gone so far. A lot of the "fast guys" are running 16 inch rims along with non-cantilever slicks from pretty much every manufacturer. Some of the faster guys are switching to Avon. In fact, Avon pulled in some trophies at Nationals in 2012, so they look "promising". I'll eventually talk to the guys at Roger Krauss about the Avons, but even so, there are a lot more choices in the non-cantilever category slicks out there... So, this is a long way of asking: When I switch to 16 inch rims and non-cantilever tires, I have to get 16 x 10 rims because of the tire choices. I know the the interference of of the upper control arm is less of an issue, but there's limited space on the rear trailing arm - so I have to be careful what I get for wheels as far as offset. Can anyone provide some guidance numbers for proper wheel sizing when switching to 16 rims? I figure I need a -24mm offset maybe more. Any comments? I realize that I'll need custom wheels for this. I need some pointers there. I only know about Kieser at this point. Methinks: "this could get expensive" It also makes me think - road racing might be "cheaper". :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 10:34:48 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:34:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? Message-ID: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this next season. I want to definitely work towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 9 10:47:16 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:47:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 In-Reply-To: <8CFBC9C08BB679E-C24-2F081@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBC9C08BB679E-C24-2F081@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, Joe Alexander wrote: > Perhaps the time has come for you to join us with road racing. Exactly. Or not. FWIW, I got shot down on my SCCA medical clearance, so I guess I need to be "less candid" in my next attempt. ;-) > A modest approach could be very satisfying to you as it has been with > Mr. Tobin. The operative is "modest". I seem to have a problem with that. "Overkill" is more my usual approach. Although I seem to be "maturing" in that respect. > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 9 11:38:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:38:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBCAFB2EEDBBC-C24-30C62@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Lots of good questions. Des Moines Valley Region does not seem to be a bad place to explore for information. Google MIDWEST COUNCIL OF SPORTS CAR CLUBS and review their website. They primarily operate out of BLACKHAWK FARMS RACEWAY. They conduct both autocross and wheel to wheel schools on the road racing track. They have been in existence since the 50s and have it all down pretty well. We are targeting a school in the spring for a combination of things....sorting out reconstruction of the TR4, possible refresher for me, and possibly getting credentials for G'son Brendan. You might join us there. Also look at VSCDA.org for a purely vintage organization. Lot's of information there. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this next season. I want to definitely work towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Jan 9 12:03:19 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:03:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bb01cdee9b$ffb0a280$ff11e780$@aero> Shawn: Speaking only for myself; I feel an SCCA card is a good thing. I have been competing in SCCA Solo with two Spits for several years and recently went through the same sort of questions you are asking. The bottom line is a Spitfire 1500 can be a competitive solo car in F Street Prepared [FSP]. That is a national class that has large entry numbers at most SCCA National Tour, Championship and ProSolo events and you will need a SCCA card to enter. Safety requirements in solo are less stringent; you should plan to install a basic roll bar with harness bar and a good 4 or 5 point harness. SA 2005 or 2010 helmets are needed but a HANS device is not. [not yet?] Fuel cells and fire systems are also not required. As for road racing in SCCA that is a different ball game. A late spit can run in the Grand Touring class as well as the Improved touring without huge modifications like those in the Production class. You will have to check with your local chapter as to what classes they run in your region. You will still require a full cage, fuel cell, racing seat, fire system, HANS....ect. All the information is in the new January 2013 GCR which is available for download off the SCCA club racing page. There is yet another option: SCCA Vintage Racing. Again, you will have to check with your local chapter as to what classes/races, if any, are run in your region. There is a separate SCCA Vintage Racing GCR. My advice would be to mod the car for FSP solo and run as many events as you can while doing some track days/driving schools. Plan to attend Solo Nationals in the fall! Other folks on this list will be much more knowledgeable than I with respect to other vintage clubs/series such as HSR or SVRA. Feel free to contact me off line if you have any questions wrt SCCA Solo in your Spit. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:35 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this next season. I want to definitely work towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Jan 9 12:17:56 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:17:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00bf01cdee9e$0e81e650$2b85b2f0$@aero> I can't comment of the wheels but I have been running the Hoosier A6s on my '62 Spit Solo GP car. Once you get some heat into them they are unbeatable. Some cars seem to work better on a smaller wheel so this might work for you. Robert -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:47 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 Hi, Car: TR6, non-vintage, current Solo car in SCCA. I'm going through my "list" for 2013 and one of the things that has come up again is tire availability... Goodyear has pulled out of Solo, so I can only get cantilever slicks from Hoosier or at least that's where my search has gone so far. A lot of the "fast guys" are running 16 inch rims along with non-cantilever slicks from pretty much every manufacturer. Some of the faster guys are switching to Avon. In fact, Avon pulled in some trophies at Nationals in 2012, so they look "promising". I'll eventually talk to the guys at Roger Krauss about the Avons, but even so, there are a lot more choices in the non-cantilever category slicks out there... So, this is a long way of asking: When I switch to 16 inch rims and non-cantilever tires, I have to get 16 x 10 rims because of the tire choices. I know the the interference of of the upper control arm is less of an issue, but there's limited space on the rear trailing arm - so I have to be careful what I get for wheels as far as offset. Can anyone provide some guidance numbers for proper wheel sizing when switching to 16 rims? I figure I need a -24mm offset maybe more. Any comments? I realize that I'll need custom wheels for this. I need some pointers there. I only know about Kieser at this point. Methinks: "this could get expensive" It also makes me think - road racing might be "cheaper". :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 9 12:33:03 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:33:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <8CFBCAFB2EEDBBC-C24-30C62@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFBCAFB2EEDBBC-C24-30C62@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Shawn, Yes, In my opinion, Midwestern Council, as Joe says, will likely be your best introduction and source for the journey you are embarking on. You would most likely even have a FoT member as your instructor. I'm heavy involved in MCSCC, Racer, race chair, Board member... etc. Great group of people. Provides many types of high speed track events.. autocross and wheel to wheel. >From both a fun and competition standpoint you will really like the options offered for a 1500 spit. We have 2 drivers school weekends..in April and August. This is a Points Championship Series for all classes except vintage. We have a total of about 10 race weekend events at various tracks in the Midwest such as Blackhawk Farms, Road America, Gingerman, Grattan, Milwaukee Mile. A Midwestern Council Full Competition Licence allows you racing privileges just about anywhere. Let me know if you are interested anytime and I'll hook you up with help you will need. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jhd11 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 13:09:58 2013 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:09:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shawn, I have been a SCCA member for a long time and have been Club Racing for a while. Different feel at a SCCA race than vintage but both are fun. Roll Cage info can be found in the GCR and I am pretty sure most if not all vintage groups will accept a SCCA cage. If you are going wheel to wheel racing I would rethink driving my car to the track! I am not saying it is not possible in some classes but there are a number of modifications that would help a race car that are not street legal. Also in wheel to wheel racing, any wheel to wheel racing, stuff happens and things break. Being several hundred miles from home with your only means of transportation "on the hook" would not be a good feeling! Reconsider this strongly! Limiting your participation to autocross is another matter. HANS will be required for wheel to wheel and a 5 point harness. 5 point would also be useful in autocross. You have a wonderful source of knowledge here in this group. Be sure to use it and HAVE FUN! Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:34:48 -0800 > From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? > > I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an > 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my > racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to > dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead > of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage > that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for > things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different > racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans > device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different > faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that > possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being > a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this > next season. I want to definitely work > towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door > racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these > questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the > time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhd11 at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 9 14:41:10 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:41:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points for the cross member. He is exactly right. Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master welder/fabricator. We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is happening with frame. There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free ride to medical, as well. Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a close inspection. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Jan 9 17:07:27 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:07:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 1:41:51 PM Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE FOT: I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points for the cross member. He is exactly right. Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master welder/fabricator. We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is happening with frame. There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free ride to medical, as well. Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a close inspection. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 17:52:17 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (my71spit13) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:52:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? Message-ID: Thank you all for the advice and I appreciate the heads up on where to look for info I need. This year will be strictly an autocross year. I will use it to collect as much info as possible and advance my car with each race towards a club racer. As soon as that time comes, the car will no longer be street legal so it can be a racer for real. I have a 71 Spitfire road car that I want to keep my baby, so this will be the year to really mess with things like putting a 1300 in the 80 racer from a MK3 Spitfire and different options for suspension, camber compensators (which I know nothing about yet) and exhaust options, etc. I can't wait! I am so excited to move forward on this, because since I was a kid, I have wanted to race, and specifically a British car. That's what it's all about, chasing our childhood, huh? Thanks again, everyone. I absolutely love this group!...Shawn Shawn Frank wrote: >I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an >80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my >racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to >dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead >of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage >that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for >things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different >racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans >device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different >faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that >possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being >a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this >next season. I want to definitely work > towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door >racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these >questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the >time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/my71spit13 at yahoo.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu Jan 10 02:28:42 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:28:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <57D55F0D-C668-4E1B-A688-AA2B05CD8D31@virgin.net> Joe It's worth taking a look at the sort of modifications that we do to the TR4 chassis for rallying. Clearly the sump guards and belly plates etc which are there to protect vital things from flying rocks and damage from heavy landings and two wheel adventure are not required, however the reinforcement work is all done to preserve the integrity of the frame and proven by my gentle driving. In terms of the front suspension and towers; even the Works Rally TR4s which were nowhere as tough as say my TR4 Beastie had a number of filleted plates added on the joints and corners, all sides filled in on anything that looked like a box, the main cross member plated up with another 3mm of steel and the welded joints all reinforced using triangular fillets. You should all be doing this as the majority of cracking and failures are due to fatigue, not from impact loadings. Bear in mind that with one exception you are adding very small segments of 2mm thick steel, so weight gain is a few months of not eating at macDonalds. If anyone wants I have a bare TR4 chassis on the ramp that is in be process of being repaired and taken from 1960's Works spec to 2013 Tony spec right now, so can give you chapter and verse with pictures. Best regards and Happy New Year to you all. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 9 Jan 2013, at 21:41, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are > reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points > for the cross member. He is exactly right. > > Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. > > This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something > amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to > moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master > welder/fabricator. > > We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but > finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for > the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. > > All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was > showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. > > Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is > happening with frame. > > There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed > something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. > Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free > ride to medical, as well. > > Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a > close inspection. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 10 04:40:00 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:40:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? Cheers Chris From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Jan 10 04:47:10 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:47:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> Good question. The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous rusty project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire need of attention. I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas Joe mentioned. Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close inspections between race weekends. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu Jan 10 05:31:12 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:31:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> Message-ID: <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> Chris I'd be very surprised if you have no fatigue cracking on a standard chassis after 50 years - you must have prepared it very well, but I'm sure a soft suspension assists greatly. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:40, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 10 05:37:34 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:37:34 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> Message-ID: <000601cdef2f$45e37b90$d1aa72b0$@com> To say the truth - I've never done anything to the frame since I own the car (22 years now). I do run stock leave springs at rear and at front coil springs from the MGB GT 1800. I check the frame every season and found nothing so far. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: TR4 Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2013 13:31 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Chris I'd be very surprised if you have no fatigue cracking on a standard chassis after 50 years - you must have prepared it very well, but I'm sure a soft suspension assists greatly. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:40, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Jan 10 06:37:31 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:37:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] COLLECTION OF MG'S AND TRIUMPH PROJECT CARS Message-ID: While searching parts for a MGB, came aross this. While I'm at it..WTD ! left Front fender for a 68-69 MGB plus I need the Inner fender/stucture (LF) . I would consider a Ft Clip. http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/3533971276.html CheersTony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 10 07:50:52 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:50:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, sherry robyn wrote: > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? Speaking from personal experience - YES!!! I had a shock tower fail during practice for a national tour event. The metal split near the top of the box that forms the mount for the upper crossmember and the upper fulcrum pin mount peeled back a lot. I was lucky that the result was nothing more than a camber gain of 10 or 15 degrees!!! Also, watch where the square tube brace that angles down to the frame butts. That was cracked on both sides, maybe because of the other failure, but coincident to it. And I was doing frame checks fairly often. Now I do them after every event. I'm with Joe on this - RATCO is a good alternative!!! regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 10 07:58:43 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:58:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBD5A1E0B037E-1C34-1670@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> I have been to RATCO and worked with Tony Vigliotti on a couple projects.....1ST CLASS Square tube that trails down to frame: We did a lateral square tube to support this weldment area and redid....20 yrs ago. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Lang To: sherry robyn Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, sherry robyn wrote: > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? Speaking from personal experience - YES!!! I had a shock tower fail during practice for a national tour event. The metal split near the top of the box that forms the mount for the upper crossmember and the upper fulcrum pin mount peeled back a lot. I was lucky that the result was nothing more than a camber gain of 10 or 15 degrees!!! Also, watch where the square tube brace that angles down to the frame butts. That was cracked on both sides, maybe because of the other failure, but coincident to it. And I was doing frame checks fairly often. Now I do them after every event. I'm with Joe on this - RATCO is a good alternative!!! regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 10 08:01:28 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:01:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, my71spit13 wrote: [stuff deleted] > each race towards a club racer. As soon as that time comes, the car will > no longer be street legal so it can be a racer for real. I have a 71 This is just a point of information... I know it sounds trite, but autocrossers are "real racers" too. Granted autocross is different, but it's no less intense and there equal (for the most part) preparation. Actually, autocross is even more of a mental sport than road racing because you need to stay so focused. It's also good preparation for road racing because you learn the mental aspects as well as the car control - that's why some autocrossers transistion to road racers so well. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 08:04:59 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com>, <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com>, <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: It is also not uncommon to find the welds cracked on the brackets that the steering rack attaches to on the TR6. Marty > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:50:52 -0500 > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, sherry robyn wrote: > > > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > > Speaking from personal experience - YES!!! > > I had a shock tower fail during practice for a national tour event. The > metal split near the top of the box that forms the mount for the > upper crossmember and the upper fulcrum pin mount peeled back a lot. I was > lucky that the result was nothing more than a camber gain of 10 or 15 > degrees!!! > > Also, watch where the square tube brace that angles down to the frame > butts. That was cracked on both sides, maybe because of the other failure, > but coincident to it. And I was doing frame checks fairly often. Now I do > them after every event. > > I'm with Joe on this - RATCO is a good alternative!!! > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 10 08:24:24 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:24:24 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> Message-ID: <001a01cdef46$93373370$b9a59a50$@com> Another idea...maybe I'm too gentle with my car? ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: TR4 Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2013 13:31 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Chris I'd be very surprised if you have no fatigue cracking on a standard chassis after 50 years - you must have prepared it very well, but I'm sure a soft suspension assists greatly. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:40, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 08:33:48 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:33:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1357832028.71302.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I meant no disrespect to autocrossers. Anyone who jumps into a car, mashes the pedal to the floor, and feels in control while sliding the car where they want is a "true racer". I absolutely fell in love with autocrossing only being out a couple times. It has sparked something in me that I want to not only chase, but overtake. I was meaning "real racing" being with a race specific car. The autocrossing still allows me to build on the car, try things out, and do it right, while honing skills needed that I don't have but am willing to learn. I am not a guy who thinks their way is the best. I am literally soaking it all in. Between this group of collaborated knowledge and skill, to the forums about my car, I have been learning a lot and am itching to get out there to see what I've learned so far. I am excited about being an auto crosser...Shawn ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: my71spit13 Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, my71spit13 wrote: [stuff deleted] > each race towards a club racer. As soon as that time comes, the car will no longer be street legal so it can be a racer for real. I have a 71 This is just a point of information... I know it sounds trite, but autocrossers are "real racers" too. Granted autocross is different, but it's no less intense and there equal (for the most part) preparation. Actually, autocross is even more of a mental sport than road racing because you need to stay so focused. It's also good preparation for road racing because you learn the mental aspects as well as the car control - that's why some autocrossers transistion to road racers so well. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Jan 10 08:45:54 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:45:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Message-ID: <1106180180-1357832755-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-975607304-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Several years ago... When it came time to rebuild my car. I picked it up with a fork lift and power sprayed the bottom. Exposing cracks in the chassis frame. It was "DNR" I.e. Do Not Race ever. I dissasembled with plasma cutter, oxy acetaline, etc. @ the same time ordering a new chassis from RATCO. The chassis arrived. It was not perfect (very early product) but after some minor mods that Chuck Gee helped with we were in "buisiness". The only thing holding my car together w original chassis was the vintage 1967 roll bar . Btw the .120" wall thickness and 1.75 OD. Was Heavy and was used to stiffen the chassis. The RATCO did not require it. It's not cheap but an amazing. R.O.I. (Return on investment...). M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 09:16:43 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:16:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> Message-ID: In my spare time, I am building a TR4 daily driver. I got a street car frame from another FOT member. It looked good and is in very good shape. When I had it media blasted, I found cracks on the frame around lower wishbone mounting brackets, cross member, and near the motor mounts. Keep in mind that this is a stock TR4 frame not subjected to the stresses of racing. Had I not had it media blasted, I would never have seen these. Now it is primed and painted with Eastwood Chassis Black. The build begins.. Just places for you to look in your spare time... Ty #413 TR4 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 10, 2013, at 4:40 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 10:01:51 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <57D55F0D-C668-4E1B-A688-AA2B05CD8D31@virgin.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <57D55F0D-C668-4E1B-A688-AA2B05CD8D31@virgin.net> Message-ID: <692518E6-4C1B-4E3D-A6B5-8EB658352D61@comcast.net> Since we're talking chassis I'll offer up for sale an IRS TR4A bare frame that I have. Looks like I'm getting out of the TR4A business as I've already sold the TR4A wreck I had and I'm in the process of trading the Project (below) for an RV to use for pulling the Spit to vintage races this year and MAYBE to Wisconsin in September. Pics are available. The frame is solid (Jim Gray can testify) but I haven't really checked it for any of the cracks being talked about so I can't guarantee that it doesn't have any. Make me an offer. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 10, 2013, at 2:28 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > Joe > > It's worth taking a look at the sort of modifications that we do to > the TR4 > chassis for rallying. > > Clearly the sump guards and belly plates etc which are there to > protect vital > things from flying rocks and damage from heavy landings and two wheel > adventure are not required, however the reinforcement work is all > done to > preserve the integrity of the frame and proven by my gentle driving. > > In terms of the front suspension and towers; even the Works Rally > TR4s which > were nowhere as tough as say my TR4 Beastie had a number of filleted > plates > added on the joints and corners, all sides filled in on anything > that looked > like a box, the main cross member plated up with another 3mm of > steel and the > welded joints all reinforced using triangular fillets. You should > all be doing > this as the majority of cracking and failures are due to fatigue, > not from > impact loadings. > > Bear in mind that with one exception you are adding very small > segments of 2mm > thick steel, so weight gain is a few months of not eating at > macDonalds. > > If anyone wants I have a bare TR4 chassis on the ramp that is in be > process of > being repaired and taken from 1960's Works spec to 2013 Tony spec > right now, > so can give you chapter and verse with pictures. > > Best regards and Happy New Year to you all. > > Tony > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 9 Jan 2013, at 21:41, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> FOT: >> >> I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing >> that we are >> reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and >> anchor points >> for the cross member. He is exactly right. >> >> Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention >> to it. >> >> This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected > something >> amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. >> That led to >> moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master >> welder/fabricator. >> >> We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, >> but >> finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor >> points > for >> the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed >> and torn. >> >> All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x- >> member > was >> showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. >> >> Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better >> see what > is >> happening with frame. >> >> There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We > noticed >> something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in >> 2012. >> Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. >> Perhaps a > free >> ride to medical, as well. >> >> Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good >> time to do > a >> close inspection. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 10:15:01 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <598710959.2059643.1357838101519.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I had to repair lower front suspension point cracks on my TR3 frame that were not evident until I had it media blasted and started grinding on it, read started grinding on it. The shock tower diagonals looked good too, until blasting revealed pin holes on the lower end. A center punch went through the rusty metal with ease. These frames rust from the inside out. Grinding particles from the cutting of the diagonal gathered around the cracks in the frame and only then did they became obvious. Had I not seen the pin holes, the frame would have been painted and reassembled. Instead, I went through an exhaustive process of strengthening and gusseting many areas of importance. I even welded extra tubing inside the body outriggers creating more substantial roll cage mounts. My car has been out of service since 1975, so that's a mere 15 years of use before this type of frame failure occurred and my car has only lived in California. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 1:41:10 PM Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE FOT: I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points for the cross member. He is exactly right. Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master welder/fabricator. We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is happening with frame. There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free ride to medical, as well. Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a close inspection. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 10 10:18:34 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:18:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Message-ID: <2e449.1aee7319.3e2051e9@cs.com> we would like to see you come regardless of whether you race or not. there are a lot of interesting people coming that are not racing...you would be one of them. > Since we're talking chassis I'll offer up for sale an IRS TR4A bare frame > that I have. Looks like I'm getting out of the TR4A business as I've > already sold the TR4A wreck I had and I'm in the process of trading the Project > (below) for an RV to use for pulling the Spit to vintage races this year > and MAYBE to Wisconsin in September. From jmwagner at greenheart.com Thu Jan 10 10:36:15 2013 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:36:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1323A6B2-25FA-43EF-B545-82CCEE401430@greenheart.com> I recall in the late 80's a friend of mine had a problem with his street TR6 and I offered to slide under the car and see if I could figure out what was wrong... It was dark under there, but with a small dim work light, I quickly figured out that one of the long studs that the differential hangs from had snapped loose from the frame... ...but the horror came as I panned the little light around and looked at his frame... It was much like a submersible cam panning by an old Civil War Iron clad... peering through the big gaping holes in the wreck, your imagination takes over and you wonder if you're going to see the skeletons of the sailors that went down with the ship... I wasn't quite sure why his car hadn't simply collapsed already.... This was in California, but he had shipped his car from New Jersey.... --Justin On Jan 10, 2013, at 3:47 AM, wrote: > Good question. > > The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than > the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous rusty > project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and > 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, > 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come > across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire > need of attention. > > I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder > and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more > robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess > that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas > Joe mentioned. > > Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's > racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You > need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with > something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close > inspections between race weekends. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sherry robyn" > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > >> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Jan 10 11:26:54 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:26:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> I don't think anyone mentioned that the IRS cars are notorious for weakness in the mounts for the differential and the brackets up front where the lower A arms mount. These usually fail without the added stresses of racing. I did a frame off restoration of my TR250 last year. It has resided in Oklahoma (a relatively dry state) and been garaged for all but its first 6 years. It body was relatively rust free as Triumphs go (solid floors, etc). After repairing and reinforcing the usual problem areas, I noticed a very small pinhole on the bottom near the center (called the T-shirt) area. The thin metal was only a few square inches and may have been partially because it had scraped bottom there at some point. Since these frames rust from the inside, I wonder how many are out there with thin metal, which has not yet rusted all the way through? It seems that a visual inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing device which could be used to check it over. Larry On 1/10/2013 5:47 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Good question. > > The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than > the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous ru > project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and > 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, > 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come > across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire > need of attention. > > I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder > and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more > robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess > that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas > Joe mentioned. > A > Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's > racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You > need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with > something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close > inspections between race weekends. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sherry robyn" > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > >> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From gaf3 at charter.net Thu Jan 10 11:41:14 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:41:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <50EF0B4A.7090508@charter.net> I have fixed a number of these IRS frames and reinforced and welded them back together. For the most part you can still get the cruciform plates and the outriggers pieces for the rear control arms. I always put a gusset top and bottom in that area. The biggest problem I have had of late has been cars with the tube shock conversions or "Break Me Here Brackets". They fracture and break off the shock/rear diff cross member. Replacement cross members are very hard to locate. I developed a brace to over come that and have installed it on many club members cars. My sonic test for a rusty frame is a good body shop pick hammer or similar. Midwest and Eastern frames disintegrate at the sight of one of those. Cut out the rusty area and replace with suitable thickness flat sheet ( I use .085" sheet as original). Glenn On 1/10/2013 1:26 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I don't think anyone mentioned that the IRS cars are notorious for > weakness in the mounts for the differential and the brackets up front > where the lower A arms mount. These usually fail without the added > stresses of racing. I did a frame off restoration of my TR250 last > year. It has resided in Oklahoma (a relatively dry state) and been > garaged for all but its first 6 years. It body was relatively rust > free as Triumphs go (solid floors, etc). After repairing and > reinforcing the usual problem areas, I noticed a very small pinhole > on the bottom near the center (called the T-shirt) area. The thin > metal was only a few square inches and may have been partially because > it had scraped bottom there at some point. Since these frames rust > from the inside, I wonder how many are out there with thin metal, > which has not yet rusted all the way through? It seems that a visual > inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing > device which could be used to check it over. > Larry From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Thu Jan 10 12:15:23 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:15:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1357845323.49111.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tapping with a hammer would probably tell you a whole lot. Jim ________________________________ From: Larry Young To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, January 10, 2013 10:27:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE I don't think anyone mentioned that the IRS cars are notorious for weakness in the mounts for the differential and the brackets up front where the lower A arms mount. These usually fail without the added stresses of racing. I did a frame off restoration of my TR250 last year. It has resided in Oklahoma (a relatively dry state) and been garaged for all but its first 6 years. It body was relatively rust free as Triumphs go (solid floors, etc). After repairing and reinforcing the usual problem areas, I noticed a very small pinhole on the bottom near the center (called the T-shirt) area. The thin metal was only a few square inches and may have been partially because it had scraped bottom there at some point. Since these frames rust from the inside, I wonder how many are out there with thin metal, which has not yet rusted all the way through? It seems that a visual inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing device which could be used to check it over. Larry On 1/10/2013 5:47 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Good question. > > The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than > the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous ru > project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and > 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, > 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come > across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire > need of attention. > > I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder > and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more > robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess > that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas > Joe mentioned. > A > Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's > racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You > need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with > something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close > inspections between race weekends. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sherry robyn" > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > >> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 12:35:32 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:35:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <50EF1804.2080403@comcast.net> Ultrasonic Thickness testers are available. I've used one for work on several occasions. A quick internet search didn't find anything under $1000. Unfortunately, Harbor Freight hasn't come up with a cheapo version yet. On 1/10/2013 10:26 AM, Larry Young wrote: It seems that a visual inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing device which could be used to check it over. From donmarshall at nefcom.net Thu Jan 10 15:24:37 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:24:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale Message-ID: A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on sale at Autozone for half price and was kind enough to post it to the FOT list. I loaded up at the time but am just about out and would dearly love to stock up again. I suspect that there are others who would like to do the same. I have made it a practice to check the oil shelves any time I'm in any auto parts store just in case there's a sale going on, but have yet to find it again. If anyone happens to see such a sale, please make sure to let us all know. Oil isn't the most expensive racing part out there but every little bit helps. Thanks, Don From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 15:44:34 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:44:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1357857874.2317.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I use VR1 also, and will let you all know if there is a sale going on at any of the national chains I go to...Shawn Frank ________________________________ From: Don Marshall To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:24 PM Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on sale at Autozone for half price and was kind enough to post it to the FOT list. I loaded up at the time but am just about out and would dearly love to stock up again. I suspect that there are others who would like to do the same. I have made it a practice to check the oil shelves any time I'm in any auto parts store just in case there's a sale going on, but have yet to find it again. If anyone happens to see such a sale, please make sure to let us all know. Oil isn't the most expensive racing part out there but every little bit helps. Thanks, Don _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/my71spit13 at yahoo.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 10 16:06:50 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:06:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130110230651.Y9XN2.191089.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Thanks for reminding me! O'Reillys has (or had) VR1 synthetic on sale for $4.99 in the store, even though it doesn't appear for that price in any of their online ads. My local store was out when I was in there last week, but they said they should get more this week and the sale price was good until the 28th. I'm going to run over and stock up (if they have any). YMMV Randall ---- Don Marshall wrote: > A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on > sale at Autozone for half price From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 17:48:18 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Track Day Foolishness Message-ID: <1767942974.2307370.1357865298989.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Buckle up, turn up the sound and shake your head a this crashfest: Gary www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=IfHJCv_S6iI&NR=1 From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 18:32:41 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:32:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF0B4A.7090508@charter.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> <50EF0B4A.7090508@charter.net> Message-ID: I had exactly that happen to my TR6 on the way back from VTR2007 at Valley Forge. Ripped a piece right out of the cross member. Lucky to make it home. I welded the piece back and went back to my old lever arm Armstrongs rebuilt by Apple Hyd. to heavy duty. I think the mistake I made was not adjusting the bump stops so they would engage before the shock reached its limit. Once that happens it looks for the weak spot which seems to be that cross member. If I go back to the tube shocks I'll weld a 1 inch piece of square stock up in the cross member so that it becomes four sided instead of the stock three. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 10, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > The biggest problem I have had of late has been cars with the tube > shock conversions or "Break Me Here Brackets". > They fracture and break off the shock/rear diff cross member. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jan 11 01:22:53 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:22:53 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Track Day Foolishness In-Reply-To: <1767942974.2307370.1357865298989.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1767942974.2307370.1357865298989.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601cdefd4$db345e80$919d1b80$@com> Yep, the Nordschleife is not an easy playground. How it should be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tnLC9F5UQo :-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von vintage.racer at comcast.net Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2013 01:48 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Track Day Foolishness Buckle up, turn up the sound and shake your head a this crashfest: Gary www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=IfHJCv_S6iI&NR=1 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jan 11 05:06:28 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:06:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow open end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I ground it down. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:58 AM, "Doug Mitchell" wrote: > I have a set of socket wrenches that I bought at Penney's over 40 years ago. > I bought them because they > were about 10-15% less than the Craftsman brand. They had the same lifetime > guarantee as Sears. Unfortunately, > they stopped selling tools in the early '80s. Still work great, other than > the 7/16 that some got lost under the > carpet of the Spit for about 20 years. A Snap-On found on the race track > replaced that. > > As for Harbor Freight and other el cheapo tools, I will buy them as a one > time deal for limited jobs. But when they > need replacing, I try to buy quality. I bought a cheap tap and die set years > ago. As the original wear out, they get > replaced with good stuff. > > Doug > > -- > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:54 AM > To: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: >> Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US >> General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. > After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US > followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be > comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. > > Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand > name "Stradivarius" . > > My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed > to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I > would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate > I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I > could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store > and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would > look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me > accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know > how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice > had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road > because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped > work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on > it. > > At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a > tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. > My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the > brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their > name. > > TeriAnn > If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have > learned how to turn a wrench. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 13:35:52 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:35:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 Red #6 On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow open > end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I > ground it down. > > Sent from my iPhone From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 14:14:42 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:14:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Quality Control Issue Message-ID: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> FYI I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" overbored. While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag with #1 piston installed. With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and didn't see any issues. Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear just below the oil ring on the other side. After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE pistons not County on the way. Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the same batch at the same time before it was caught. These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with the babbit and copper. I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. Just thought I would provide a heads up. Glenn From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jan 11 14:40:28 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:40:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> Message-ID: <005e01cdf044$4639ae00$d2ad0a00$@rr.com> Most of the County piston products are NOW made in .......yep you guessed it; CHINA! They're cheap but you better check every possible dimension on them. Also inspect the casting quality for fractures. The days of quality parts are long gone. Many are not willing to pay for quality so there's no demand for good parts, just cheap prices. Sad but I too remember being able to open bearings up and also Hepolite A/E piston boxes and they were superior to what is offered today. The new motto is, "You get what you pay for..........and then only if you're lucky!" Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:15 PM To: Friends of triumph; 6pack at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Quality Control Issue FYI I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" overbored. While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag with #1 piston installed. With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and didn't see any issues. Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear just below the oil ring on the other side. After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE pistons not County on the way. Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the same batch at the same time before it was caught. These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with the babbit and copper. I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. Just thought I would provide a heads up. Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Jan 11 14:48:04 2013 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:48:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh Message-ID: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Jan 11 14:53:43 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:53:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh In-Reply-To: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: No idea if the story is true or not, but it sure is funny! John On Fri, January 11, 2013 4:48 pm, Paul MacDonald wrote: > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 15:00:19 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:00:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Taiwan Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> Message-ID: <50F08B73.1040504@charter.net> Correction County Pistons are made in Taiwan. On 1/11/2013 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > FYI > I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" > overbored. > While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything > checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. > With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag with #1 > piston installed. > With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and > didn't see any issues. > Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore and > had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear just > below the oil ring on the other side. > After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring > grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. > The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of the > surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. > We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE > pistons not County on the way. > > Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the former > Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. > There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the > same batch at the same time before it was caught. > > These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). > I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. > > I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their Tri-Metal > Main Bearings (Israel). > The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with the > babbit and copper. > > I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. > Just thought I would provide a heads up. > > Glenn From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 15:01:55 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:01:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> Message-ID: <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> Yes the County Rockers are made in India. They usually have better quality control than most. On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > Another horror story: > > A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that > most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" > branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few > days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms > seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm > cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker > arms were getting lubricated. > It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had > rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill > deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. > > Doug > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco > wrote: > > FYI > I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" > overbored. > While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything > checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. > With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag > with #1 piston installed. > With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and > didn't see any issues. > Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore > and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear > just below the oil ring on the other side. > After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring > grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. > The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of > the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. > We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE > pistons not County on the way. > > Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the > former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. > There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the > same batch at the same time before it was caught. > > These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). > I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. > > I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their > Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). > The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with > the babbit and copper. > > I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. > Just thought I would provide a heads up. > > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 11 15:12:41 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:12:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4E2AF2EBF250466CBD8BD79F1019D0AC@Bud> HYSTERICAL!\ Thanks RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "Fot" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 1:48 PM Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From boydwagner3 at aol.com Fri Jan 11 15:19:14 2013 From: boydwagner3 at aol.com (Body Wagner) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:19:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> Message-ID: <690F0574-316A-4FFD-9253-09734B72B958@aol.com> Where are AE pistons made? Boyd C Wagner Sent from my iPad On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Yes the County Rockers are made in India. > They usually have better quality control than most. > > On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >> Another horror story: >> >> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that >> most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few >> days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms >> seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm >> cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker >> arms were getting lubricated. >> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill >> deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco > > wrote: >> >> FYI >> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >> overbored. >> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >> with #1 piston installed. >> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >> didn't see any issues. >> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >> just below the oil ring on the other side. >> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >> pistons not County on the way. >> >> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >> >> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >> >> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >> the babbit and copper. >> >> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >> >> Glenn >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Spitfires at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/boydwagner3 at aol.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jan 11 15:14:19 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:14:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh In-Reply-To: References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Many moons ago I was at a cocktail party in Belfast at the home of some friends of my parents. Patricia said 'Oh Bob, you are a car guy, you should meet Collin' and introduced me to a nice guy and we talked road racing and rallye for an hour or so. He said I really should give rallye a try and invited me to come out the next Irish Rallye. I wasn't going to be in country at the time, but said I thought it sounded grand and returned the invite to come out and play at Lime Rock some time. After he left I found out it was Collin McRea.... One of my class mates when I was in N. Ireland had an annoying little brother a few grades younger than us, in the same class as my sister. Never knew Eddie Irvine would go on to race in F1. :) On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:53 PM, R. John Lye wrote: > No idea if the story is true or not, but it sure > is funny! > > John > > > On Fri, January 11, 2013 4:48 pm, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 15:41:25 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:41:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <690F0574-316A-4FFD-9253-09734B72B958@aol.com> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> <690F0574-316A-4FFD-9253-09734B72B958@aol.com> Message-ID: <50F09515.30005@charter.net> The new defective TR6 set I just installed are made in Taiwan. I just looked in my collection of NOS ones and I have 4 new .020" Spit County Pistons and those appear to be made in the UK but they are likely 10-15 yrs old or better. Glenn On 1/11/2013 5:19 PM, Body Wagner wrote: > Where are AE pistons made? > > Boyd C Wagner > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > >> Yes the County Rockers are made in India. >> They usually have better quality control than most. >> >> On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >>> Another horror story: >>> >>> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that >>> most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >>> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few >>> days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms >>> seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm >>> cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker >>> arms were getting lubricated. >>> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >>> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill >>> deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco >> > wrote: >>> >>> FYI >>> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >>> overbored. >>> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >>> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >>> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >>> with #1 piston installed. >>> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >>> didn't see any issues. >>> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >>> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >>> just below the oil ring on the other side. >>> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >>> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >>> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >>> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >>> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >>> pistons not County on the way. >>> >>> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >>> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >>> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >>> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >>> >>> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >>> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >>> >>> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >>> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >>> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >>> the babbit and copper. >>> >>> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >>> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >>> >>> Glenn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Spitfires at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/boydwagner3 at aol.com From boydwagner3 at aol.com Fri Jan 11 15:54:53 2013 From: boydwagner3 at aol.com (Body Wagner) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:54:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] race seats Message-ID: <5159678D-89A6-452D-A64A-F0F32EBC285D@aol.com> I am building a TR6 for auto crossing and hill climbing. I am searching for a seat that will be safe for this yet be comfortable as a road seat. Boyd Wagner From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jan 11 16:14:16 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:14:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] race seats In-Reply-To: <5159678D-89A6-452D-A64A-F0F32EBC285D@aol.com> References: <5159678D-89A6-452D-A64A-F0F32EBC285D@aol.com> Message-ID: Butler......Charlotte/Concord.....will custom fit your seat & the price is same as the Kirkley seats you see on web. But don't know where you are. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Body Wagner wrote: > I am building a TR6 for auto crossing and hill climbing. I am searching for a > seat that will be safe for this yet be comfortable as a road seat. > > Boyd Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Fri Jan 11 16:14:45 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:14:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F09515.30005@charter.net> Message-ID: Funny that I received about an hour ago a new set of AE .020 pistons that I had ordered. They are made by NURAL in Poland which is a subsidiary of Federal Mogul. They look very nice in quality and are fitted with Goetze rings which look ok but they have the one piece oil control ring which I have never been crazy about. I prefer the Grant type 3 piece oil ring but these are easier to install! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:41 PM To: Body Wagner Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; Doug Braun; 6pack at autox.team.net; Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue The new defective TR6 set I just installed are made in Taiwan. I just looked in my collection of NOS ones and I have 4 new .020" Spit County Pistons and those appear to be made in the UK but they are likely 10-15 yrs old or better. Glenn On 1/11/2013 5:19 PM, Body Wagner wrote: > Where are AE pistons made? > > Boyd C Wagner > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > >> Yes the County Rockers are made in India. >> They usually have better quality control than most. >> >> On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >>> Another horror story: >>> >>> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part >>> that most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >>> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a >>> few days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms seemed >>> rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm cover >>> off, I could see that only the rear four rocker arms were getting >>> lubricated. >>> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >>> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill deep >>> enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco >> > wrote: >>> >>> FYI >>> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >>> overbored. >>> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >>> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >>> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >>> with #1 piston installed. >>> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >>> didn't see any issues. >>> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >>> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >>> just below the oil ring on the other side. >>> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >>> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >>> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >>> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >>> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >>> pistons not County on the way. >>> >>> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >>> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >>> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >>> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >>> >>> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >>> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >>> >>> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >>> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >>> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >>> the babbit and copper. >>> >>> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >>> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >>> >>> Glenn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Spitfires at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/boydwagner3 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 11 16:17:59 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:17:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In-Reply-To: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> FOT: A lot of time has been spent this week in discussion with VSCDA. I have a much better idea of we are going to fit into this great event. We also discussed some items of mutual benefit....a WIN/WIN is always a good thing. I plan to send a summary of our activities to WEBMASTER Henry Frye to be published in the GASKETWORKS supported website. fot-racing.com We are discussing our own touring session, package deals for the weekend, TR car show at the Welcome Dinner, Old Course re-enactment, sharing a hospitality tent.......the list goes on. I sent the event CHAIRPERSON Mike Korneli (Deb does a lot of the work, tho) John Clancy's "CALIFORNIA AIR", so they can get acquainted with Kas...and so they can see a KASTNER CUP in action at ROAD ATLANTA. Speaking of John Clancy triumphdvd.co.uk , we have asked John and his wife to join us at KCUP 2013. There's more, but it's in the planning stages. Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and Marty Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. We have 21 'SPONSORS' to support the KCUP. One is anonymous, and one has donated twice. I need to catch the names up and hope to display at the KCUP. COMMERCIAL entities are welcome, too, but we have little to offer them if they are looking for a RETURN ON INVESTMENT. (Well, I guess we buy stuff from them.) More later, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri Jan 11 16:47:49 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:47:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh In-Reply-To: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: That's great. Thanks. Kg Sent from my iPad On Jan 11, 2013, at 3:48 PM, "Paul MacDonald" wrote: > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Jan 11 17:48:45 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:48:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <2052E7DE3752438C91892F9FA7247B17@hpd530> Hi All, I have a couple sets of Whitworth wrenches I'm not needing. If you have an interest give me a shout. I think some are King Dick brand. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once >> I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From igofaster at att.net Fri Jan 11 18:09:23 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:09:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're curious... every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... no I'm not Uncle Joe Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR ________________________________ From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 Red #6 On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow open > end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I > ground it down. > > Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 11 18:13:54 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:13:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com><000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26C4311933C3441AB405246FFC7EA646@Bud> speaking of deals...for those of you in Central and Northern Ca...Sonoma Raceway has confirmed their swap meet on Sat, Feb 2nd...25.00 per space...no other details yet RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "Duncan Charlton" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 5:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if > you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the > board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is > www.unclejoespawn.com > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once >> I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 18:19:27 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:19:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In-Reply-To: <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> Speaking of the FOT website. Why is it so outdated? On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > A lot of time has been spent this week in discussion with VSCDA. I have a much > better idea of we are going to fit into this great event. We also discussed > some items of mutual benefit....a WIN/WIN is always a good thing. > > I plan to send a summary of our activities to WEBMASTER Henry Frye to be > published in the GASKETWORKS supported website. fot-racing.com > > We are discussing our own touring session, package deals for the weekend, TR > car show at the Welcome Dinner, Old Course re-enactment, sharing a hospitality > tent.......the list goes on. > > I sent the event CHAIRPERSON Mike Korneli (Deb does a lot of the work, tho) > John Clancy's "CALIFORNIA AIR", so they can get acquainted with Kas...and so > they can see a KASTNER CUP in action at ROAD ATLANTA. > > Speaking of John Clancy triumphdvd.co.uk , we have asked John and his wife > to join us at KCUP 2013. There's more, but it's in the planning stages. > > Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and Marty > Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for > distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. > > We have 21 'SPONSORS' to support the KCUP. One is anonymous, and one has > donated twice. I need to catch the names up and hope to display at the KCUP. > COMMERCIAL entities are welcome, too, but we have little to offer them if they > are looking for a RETURN ON INVESTMENT. (Well, I guess we buy stuff from > them.) > > More later, > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jan 11 18:24:26 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:24:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gee whiz, Bobby, having collected tools since my "hot rod" days in the late 40's & 50's, I couldn't possibly tell you all the brands. For sure Sears was a big source, but I'm sure none of them had "dick" in the name Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 11 18:29:20 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:29:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50F0BC70.8060401@bradakis.com> Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > My favorite pawn shop score was getting a set of Snap-On wobble extensions for some ridiculously low price. I've been using them for decades, still look as good as new. mjb. From igofaster at att.net Fri Jan 11 18:31:19 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:31:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1357954279.9027.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> did I miss something? ________________________________ From: John Hasty To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Duncan Charlton ; FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 7:24:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pawn Shopping Gee whiz, Bobby, having collected tools since my "hot rod" days in the late 40's & 50's, I couldn't possibly tell you all the brands. For sure Sears was a big source, but I'm sure none of them had "dick" in the name Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com > > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 11 18:38:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:38:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In-Reply-To: <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <8CFBE7C9BEC68D3-1964-DF6B@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> Because it is another one of volunteer positions....but we are working on getting KCUP 2013 info together now and henry will post. Jason has volunteered to help. Volunteers are good. they work cheap. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Delap To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings Speaking of the FOT website. Why is it so outdated? On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > A lot of time has been spent this week in discussion with VSCDA. I have a much > better idea of we are going to fit into this great event. We also discussed > some items of mutual benefit....a WIN/WIN is always a good thing. > > I plan to send a summary of our activities to WEBMASTER Henry Frye to be > published in the GASKETWORKS supported website. fot-racing.com > > We are discussing our own touring session, package deals for the weekend, TR > car show at the Welcome Dinner, Old Course re-enactment, sharing a hospitality > tent.......the list goes on. > > I sent the event CHAIRPERSON Mike Korneli (Deb does a lot of the work, tho) > John Clancy's "CALIFORNIA AIR", so they can get acquainted with Kas...and so > they can see a KASTNER CUP in action at ROAD ATLANTA. > > Speaking of John Clancy triumphdvd.co.uk , we have asked John and his wife > to join us at KCUP 2013. There's more, but it's in the planning stages. > > Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and Marty > Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for > distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. > > We have 21 'SPONSORS' to support the KCUP. One is anonymous, and one has > donated twice. I need to catch the names up and hope to display at the KCUP. > COMMERCIAL entities are welcome, too, but we have little to offer them if they > are looking for a RETURN ON INVESTMENT. (Well, I guess we buy stuff from > them.) > > More later, > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 11 18:40:29 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:40:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: <1357954279.9027.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1357954279.9027.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBE7CEFEA707C-1964-DF8F@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> yes Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: John Hasty Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Pawn Shopping did I miss something? ________________________________ From: John Hasty To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Duncan Charlton ; FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 7:24:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pawn Shopping Gee whiz, Bobby, having collected tools since my "hot rod" days in the late 40's & 50's, I couldn't possibly tell you all the brands. For sure Sears was a big source, but I'm sure none of them had "dick" in the name Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com > > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 07:55:07 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:55:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale In-Reply-To: <20130110230651.Y9XN2.191089.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130110230651.Y9XN2.191089.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <80D32826-E12E-46D2-A2AB-83CC173B4A16@yahoo.com> The sale at Autozone is always the best. It is about $2.50 a quart. Keep your eyes open for their sale. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 10, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Randall wrote: > Thanks for reminding me! > O'Reillys has (or had) VR1 synthetic on sale for $4.99 in the store, even though it doesn't appear for that price in any of their online ads. My local store was out when I was in there last week, but they said they should get more this week and the sale price was good until the 28th. I'm going to run over and stock up (if they have any). > > YMMV > Randall > > ---- Don Marshall wrote: >> A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on >> sale at Autozone for half price > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Jan 12 07:47:39 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:47:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In a message dated 01/11/2013 5:18:05 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and > Marty > Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for > distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. > Lots of Triumph stuff in the current issue of Victory Lane, including VSCDA's add for Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVIII and its Kastner Cup event. I love the Joanie Delap photo used in the adv. (three TR4s going at it, shot from the rear). I like everything about that photo, but in particular, the fact that you can read the decal on the rear of the Alexander TR4, which memorializes Steve's dad (and my mentor)...Mike Belfer. Bill Dentinger From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Jan 12 10:36:09 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:36:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com><8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <2F83E7C11FA245A9AE5D4C35FDE6AAA4@TRIUMPH.local> Dennis, The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living stuff really gets in the way of fun. Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the 2013 KCup, I have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the right stuff is coming together. This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Delap" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings > Speaking of the FOT website. > Why is it so outdated? From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 14:41:52 2013 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:41:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> Message-ID: Usually U.S. sourced parts are made in China or Taiwan and U.K. sourced parts are made in India. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Doug Braun" Cc: ; <6pack at autox.team.net>; "Friends of triumph" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue > Yes the County Rockers are made in India. > They usually have better quality control than most. > > On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >> Another horror story: >> >> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that >> most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few >> days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms >> seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm >> cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker >> arms were getting lubricated. >> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill >> deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco > > wrote: >> >> FYI >> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >> overbored. >> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >> with #1 piston installed. >> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >> didn't see any issues. >> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >> just below the oil ring on the other side. >> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >> pistons not County on the way. >> >> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >> >> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >> >> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >> the babbit and copper. >> >> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >> >> Glenn >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Spitfires at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 12 17:04:44 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:04:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <2F83E7C11FA245A9AE5D4C35FDE6AAA4@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. We certainly have tons of pictures available. Do we have a writer? What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? Could I learn it and help out? Small moves - something everyday will get her done. Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > Dennis, > > The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my > clients stop > throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time > and enthuisasm > to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living > stuff really gets > in the way of fun. > > Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > 2013 KCup, I > have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason > will help bail me > out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > Cup events, I > can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are > really is pulling > off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the > right stuff is > coming together. > > This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Delap" > To: "Joe Alexander" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings AMERICA...FOUR > MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > > > > Speaking of the FOT website. > > Why is it so outdated? From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 20:44:35 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:44:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. > > Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. > We certainly have tons of pictures available. > Do we have a writer? > What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. > How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? > Could I learn it and help out? > > Small moves - something everyday will get her done. > Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > > >> Dennis, >> >> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >> clients stop >> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >> and enthuisasm >> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >> stuff really gets >> in the way of fun. >> >> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >> 2013 KCup, I >> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >> will help bail me >> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >> Cup events, I >> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >> really is pulling >> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >> right stuff is >> coming together. >> >> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >> >> Henry >> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis Delap" >> To: "Joe Alexander" >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings > AMERICA...FOUR >> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >> >> >>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>> Why is it so outdated? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 13 07:54:21 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:54:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBFB5019DD1D1-CB4-17BC4@webmail-m147.sysops.aol.com> You are exactly right, Dennis. Maybe someone can come up with a plan. It seems like, whenever there has been a need, somebody jumps in a addresses the problem. Not bad for a non organization. Henry, maybe you can come up with plan and solicit for support? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap To: Joe Alexander ; yellow04 Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 6:04 pm Subject: Re: fot-racing.com Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. We certainly have tons of pictures available. Do we have a writer? What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? Could I learn it and help out? Small moves - something everyday will get her done. Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > Dennis, > > The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my > clients stop > throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time > and enthuisasm > to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living > stuff really gets > in the way of fun. > > Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > 2013 KCup, I > have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason > will help bail me > out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > Cup events, I > can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are > really is pulling > off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the > right stuff is > coming together. > > This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Delap" > To: "Joe Alexander" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings AMERICA...FOUR > MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > > > > Speaking of the FOT website. > > Why is it so outdated? From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun Jan 13 13:18:37 2013 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:18:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR chasssis stuff Message-ID: <50F3169D.10603@bright.net> With all the discussion about chassis strengths, or lack thereof, wanted to let the list know about our TR6 chassis/diff stiffener kit. This was developed by Lanky Foushee for the Group44 TR6. When we redid my daughter'sTR6 chassis at the Group44shop, we put this on the car and developed a "kit". The kit boxes the 3 sided support that holds the upper spring mount/body tub cross bar. it also supports the outer end of the bar that is the top spring seat. And, boxes in the rear cross member where the shocks are attached. By boxing in these points, the diff supports now becomes part of the chassis. Less load and better rigidity. Kit can be installed with body on frame. Pictures are on our website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click "Performance Parts" then select TR250/TR6 Performance Parts then go to the suspension section. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From list at mackenzie.aero Sun Jan 13 14:12:17 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:12:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets Message-ID: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) From bownes at seiri.com Sun Jan 13 14:30:20 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:30:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Message-ID: I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the > 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a > better quality gasket. > > I need one urgently. > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '78 1500 (street) > '71 GT6 MKIII (project) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 14:35:51 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:35:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Message-ID: <50F328B7.2000306@comcast.net> I've got three of them that I no longer need since I switched to a 1300. They are the metalized type. I normally source that type of stuff from British Parts NW. Since they are across town from me I normally get next day delivery. Let me know if you want me to mail mine to you. On 1/13/2013 1:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the > 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a > better quality gasket. > > I need one urgently. > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '78 1500 (street) > '71 GT6 MKIII (project) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 13 15:48:51 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:48:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD Message-ID: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> FOT, There seems to be a chance that the Kastner Cup feature something beyond just a 'gaggle' in SPITFIRES and GT6s. I am pleased to announce that I just heard from California's Jerry and Jan BARKER. They plan to bring both the SCCA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE and the KASTNER CUP WINNING HERALD. What a show this will be! You may not know that street fuel found it's way into the SCCA CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE at the MITTY last year and prevented a great showing. While it provided some amusing copy by our friend BURT LEVY, it wont happen again at Road American. SEE YOU AT KCUP 2013 Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jan 13 18:01:06 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:01:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR chasssis stuff References: <50F3169D.10603@bright.net> Message-ID: Hi Gang, I put Ted's kit in my TR6 last summer; piece of cake. I'm going to take a close look around my front suspension and rack mounts when the engine is out (tomorrow). It's lots easier to do repairs with an empty engine bay. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Schumacher" To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:18 PM Subject: [Fot] TR chasssis stuff > With all the discussion about chassis strengths, or lack thereof, wanted > to let the list know about our TR6 chassis/diff stiffener kit. This was > developed by Lanky Foushee for the Group44 TR6. When we redid my > daughter'sTR6 chassis at the Group44shop, we put this on the car and > developed a "kit". The kit boxes the 3 sided support that holds the upper > spring mount/body tub cross bar. it also supports the outer end of the bar > that is the top spring seat. And, boxes in the rear cross member where the > shocks are attached. By boxing in these points, the diff supports now > becomes part of the chassis. Less load and better rigidity. Kit can be > installed with body on frame. Pictures are on our website - > www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click "Performance Parts" then select > TR250/TR6 Performance Parts then go to the suspension section. Thanks for > your time. Ted > > -- > Ted Schumacher > tedtsimx at bright.net > http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > 108 S. Jefferson St. > Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 > Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) > Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) > Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jan 13 18:23:51 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:23:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD In-Reply-To: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Awsome. Evelyn and I camped out outside the gate with Jerry and Jan at Road Atlanta Sunday night last year. Sat around the campfire swapping stories. What great folks, looking forward to seeing them again. Marty ---------------------------------------- > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:48:51 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD > > FOT, > > There seems to be a chance that the Kastner Cup feature something beyond just > a 'gaggle' in SPITFIRES and GT6s. > > I am pleased to announce that I just heard from California's Jerry and Jan > BARKER. They plan to bring both the SCCA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE and > the KASTNER CUP WINNING HERALD. What a show this will be! > > You may not know that street fuel found it's way into the SCCA CHAMPIONSHIP > SPITFIRE at the MITTY last year and prevented a great showing. While it > provided some amusing copy by our friend BURT LEVY, it wont happen again at > Road American. SEE YOU AT KCUP 2013 > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From dkorneli54 at charter.net Sun Jan 13 15:54:26 2013 From: dkorneli54 at charter.net (deb korneli) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:54:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD References: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Great News! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:48 PM Subject: Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD FOT, There seems to be a chance that the Kastner Cup feature something beyond just a 'gaggle' in SPITFIRES and GT6s. I am pleased to announce that I just heard from California's Jerry and Jan BARKER. They plan to bring both the SCCA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE and the KASTNER CUP WINNING HERALD. What a show this will be! You may not know that street fuel found it's way into the SCCA CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE at the MITTY last year and prevented a great showing. While it provided some amusing copy by our friend BURT LEVY, it wont happen again at Road American. SEE YOU AT KCUP 2013 Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 14 12:20:37 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:20:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >>> clients stop >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >>> and enthuisasm >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >>> stuff really gets >>> in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >>> will help bail me >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >>> really is pulling >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >>> right stuff is >>> coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Jan 14 12:34:27 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:34:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F3ECFA118E@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Check out my West Coast Vintage Racing website: www.vintageracing.us It's a very simple Go Daddy site. Easy to set up & maintain. Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Delap Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 11:21 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have >> been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients >>> stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and >>> enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a >>> living stuff really gets in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help >>> bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) >>> are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems >>> to me all the right stuff is coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 14 12:43:31 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:43:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com Message-ID: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> In a message dated 01/14/2013 1:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see > who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about > themself > and their Racing Triumph? > God knows I'm way too verbose to be against free speech, and of course Bill Babcock's forgotten more about such new software and how it works than I'll ever hope to know, but I'd have some concern about opening up the FOT Website to wholesale input for all members without the benefit of an 'editor'. That's what editors are for..the purpose they serve. Look what happens here on the FOT List. All members are granted an 'open mike' here, and it works great...but let's face it...we sure can get rag tag now and again. Our website is ought to be on purpose and not by accident. I absolutely think all members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Bill Dentinger From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 12:50:52 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:50:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> Message-ID: That's great if someone wants to do it, in the default wordpress security hierarchy there are both authors and editors. Editors can change any submission. You can also set the system so certain levels can comment, and with a closed group like the FOT that eliminates most comment spam since only members can comment. Here's a sample of a wordpress site I built called xtreme Geezer. That would certainly be you Bill. I haven't doner much with it since building it, but it's more or less what I'd recommend for the FOT. www.xgeez.com On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:43 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/14/2013 1:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, > yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > > >> I like Babcocks idea. >> If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see >> who >> we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. >> That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about >> themself >> and their Racing Triumph? >> > > God knows I'm way too verbose to be against free speech, and of course Bill > Babcock's forgotten more about such new software and how it works than I'll > ever hope to know, but I'd have some concern about opening up the FOT > Website to wholesale input for all members without the benefit of an 'editor'. > That's what editors are for..the purpose they serve. Look what happens here > on the FOT List. All members are granted an 'open mike' here, and it works > great...but let's face it...we sure can get rag tag now and again. Our > website is ought to be on purpose and not by accident. I absolutely think all > members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also > think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 13:37:41 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:37:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> Editor good idea.....should be Henry's call on how to proceed, methinks. and Mordy. And it would ideal to step back in order to go forward. I think Dennis is on to something here. I like a little RAG-TAG on the FOT list....as long as it doesnt get personal.....just passionate. We have had some pretty decent threads, lately. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: yellow-green ; ponobill Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com In a message dated 01/14/2013 1:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see > who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about > themself > and their Racing Triumph? > God knows I'm way too verbose to be against free speech, and of course Bill Babcock's forgotten more about such new software and how it works than I'll ever hope to know, but I'd have some concern about opening up the FOT Website to wholesale input for all members without the benefit of an 'editor'. That's what editors are for..the purpose they serve. Look what happens here on the FOT List. All members are granted an 'open mike' here, and it works great...but let's face it...we sure can get rag tag now and again. Our website is ought to be on purpose and not by accident. I absolutely think all members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 13:42:56 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:42:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: We can all probably agree that the website could use some improvements. I certainly like the idea of a self-authored portion of the FOT site too. Especially something like a "Members and their Cars" Section", But as Bill D. has said we would need an editor (at the very least) Right now I am working on a couple pages of info for the next Kastner Cup. Henry, Joe and I are getting some stuff together and can promise (or at least try to promise) a slick new portion of the website highlighting some more current FOT 2013 updates and a full summary of our plans for the Kastner-Cup. In terms of going beyond this and totally revamping the entire site (baby steps) let me start with this.... I will see how it goes. After spending some time with these initial improvements, perhaps I could be convinced to be said "editor" and perhaps develop some sort of a "biography/ members section." All that being said... although our website could use a bit of improvement... we are very lucky to have our interests and friendships supported by an (almost always) fully functional contact network. I like our smallish email based Triumph World! Not a bad little group of geeks, and with no dues, duties, officers etc. I think we do pretty good for a group of "non members" As always, Thanks of course go out to "the man behind the curtain" Fot website updates to follow. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Dennis Delap wrote: > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see > who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about > themself > and their Racing Triumph? > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > all > the members author privileges. > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap > wrote: > > > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an > elephant. > >> > >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been > attending - is almost non existent on our site. > >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. > >> Do we have a writer? > >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. > >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? > >> Could I learn it and help out? > >> > >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. > >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > >> > >> > >>> Dennis, > >>> > >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my > >>> clients stop > >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time > >>> and enthuisasm > >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living > >>> stuff really gets > >>> in the way of fun. > >>> > >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > >>> 2013 KCup, I > >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason > >>> will help bail me > >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > >>> Cup events, I > >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are > >>> really is pulling > >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the > >>> right stuff is > >>> coming together. > >>> > >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > >>> > >>> Henry > >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Dennis Delap" > >>> To: "Joe Alexander" > >>> Cc: > >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >>> AMERICA...FOUR > >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. > >>>> Why is it so outdated? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 14:07:37 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:07:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen In-Reply-To: <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> Hi guys, any idea where to get one those Group 44 style Triumph TR6 TR250 tinted lexan windscreen Cheers Chris From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 14:33:05 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:33:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen In-Reply-To: <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> Message-ID: Huffaker makes them for MG's & Jenson Healeys Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi guys, > > any idea where to get one those > Group 44 style Triumph TR6 TR250 tinted lexan windscreen > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 14 14:50:00 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:50:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > I absolutely think all > members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also > think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Are you volunteering ? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 14:52:22 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:52:22 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen In-Reply-To: References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> Message-ID: <003401cdf2a1$6fc413f0$4f4c3bd0$@com> Thanks all for input. Found what my friends needed. Cheers Chris Von: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 14. Januar 2013 22:27 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen check out the "racing only" windscreen at : http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/tr250_tr6.html Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:07 PM, MadMarx wrote: Hi guys, any idea where to get one those Group 44 style Triumph TR6 TR250 tinted lexan windscreen Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ~WRD000.jpg] From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 14 14:54:30 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Web stuff Message-ID: <50F47E96.2040402@bradakis.com> The discussion of the FOT web site has reminded me that I have a lot of updating to do with the extremely out of date Team.Net pages, as well as a few other domains. I'll be using Wordpress for some of the work. It is too COLD to go out and work in the garage, so I'll be parking my sorry self in front of the computer for a while. We'll see what gets done. And yes, this is a great list! mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 14:57:38 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:57:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > I absolutely think all > members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also > think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Are you volunteering ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 14 15:29:36 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:29:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 15:43:55 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:43:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> I absolutely think all >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > also >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Are you volunteering ? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 15:46:25 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:46:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <5D67E1E6-D240-4800-888E-B5BEF79A6D18@gdhs.com> Randall, I'm 77 and am at the office every day (except when I'm on the way to a race) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- Joe Alexander wrote: >> I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) >> > > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. > > Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 14 15:58:05 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:58:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5D67E1E6-D240-4800-888E-B5BEF79A6D18@gdhs.com> References: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <5D67E1E6-D240-4800-888E-B5BEF79A6D18@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <50F48D7D.1070807@bradakis.com> I'm still under 60. I better volunteer for something. I know, I'll manage the mailing list ;-) mjb. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:25:51 2013 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:25:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <1358205951.82927.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Joe never retired he just changed week day hobby; thankfully. ________________________________ From: Randall To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 16:56:48 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:56:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <8CFC0C9F34398C1-84C-13BC4@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> It's time you young guns take over... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 16:59:44 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:59:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> i thought the transmission thread was a good one and there were no bad answers. we could have it again, as i no longer have any memory of it. i wonder what position i would take next time. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Joe Alexander Cc: tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> I absolutely think all >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > also >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Are you volunteering ? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 17:18:00 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. Seems only fair. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:22:13 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:22:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358205951.82927.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <1358205951.82927.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0CD7FEBB63B-84C-13E49@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> It helps to have a legacy going....Sean & Mark....with Brendan perhaps completing driver's school this year. It's a big year for Brendan....likely going to State in wrestling, driver's school, and then off to the University....not to mention the Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann To: Randall ; Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Joe never retired he just changed week day hobby; thankfully. From: Randall To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 14 17:26:47 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:26:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <927F3717746F49A698E5135370EFEB58@TRIUMPH.local> Fot-racing.com is Mordy's site, Mordy makes the call. I'm just the wrench here... I don't mind updating the site, but it goes a whole lot easier if someone actually authors something I can drop on a page. That kind of thing I can do quick and easy. Me sitting on front of a blank page does nobody any favors. As far as the idea to have member bios and pictures, that does not sound like the FOT I know. Sounds like people who need to have their egos pumped up. I thought if you had a big ego, you race something other than a Truimph! Should we poll the group to see how many people actually want to post a bio and pictures? If there is a concensus, we can figure out the next step. Then, with Joe's blessing, we can proceed. Members with good intentions "going rogue" on stuff like this is not good! In case you didn't guess, I a "not participating" with a member bio page! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > Editor good idea.....should be Henry's call on how to proceed, methinks. > and Mordy. > > And it would ideal to step back in order to go forward. > > I think Dennis is on to something here. > > I like a little RAG-TAG on the FOT list....as long as it doesnt get > personal.....just passionate. > > We have had some pretty decent threads, lately. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:28:40 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:28:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0CE66B9A971-84C-13F1B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> if you could have made that rhyme, it would have been shear poetry Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Joe Alexander Cc: jhhasty ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. Seems only fair. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From igofaster at att.net Mon Jan 14 17:30:05 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:30:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? Bobby ________________________________ From: Dennis Delap To: Bill Babcock Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >>> clients stop >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >>> and enthuisasm >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >>> stuff really gets >>> in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >>> will help bail me >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >>> really is pulling >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >>> right stuff is >>> coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:35:30 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:35:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <927F3717746F49A698E5135370EFEB58@TRIUMPH.local> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> <927F3717746F49A698E5135370EFEB58@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <8CFC0CF5B541AF3-84C-140AC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> we dont need bios....we already know too much about some of you. a roster with name, car, and state.....with email address option? then if someone wanted to get a hold of someone they could. since it is sponsored by Mordy...he gets the final word, methink. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Fot-racing.com is Mordy's site, Mordy makes the call. I'm just the wrench here... I don't mind updating the site, but it goes a whole lot easier if someone actually authors something I can drop on a page. That kind of thing I can do quick and easy. Me sitting on front of a blank page does nobody any favors. As far as the idea to have member bios and pictures, that does not sound like the FOT I know. Sounds like people who need to have their egos pumped up. I thought if you had a big ego, you race something other than a Truimph! Should we poll the group to see how many people actually want to post a bio and pictures? If there is a concensus, we can figure out the next step. Then, with Joe's blessing, we can proceed. Members with good intentions "going rogue" on stuff like this is not good! In case you didn't guess, I a "not participating" with a member bio page! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > Editor good idea.....should be Henry's call on how to proceed, methinks. > and Mordy. > > And it would ideal to step back in order to go forward. > > I think Dennis is on to something here. > > I like a little RAG-TAG on the FOT list....as long as it doesnt get > personal.....just passionate. > > We have had some pretty decent threads, lately. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:41:53 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:41:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0D03F4022B3-84C-14146@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> ya, Ed Dunn has one. somebody else started one, then we got a little grumpy about it and ruined it. not everyone is on FB and it get's to be kind of an activity trap. it's really about keeping things simple.....staying low key is also good. kind of hard to stay low key with the Kastner Cup.....but we sure have improved the image of the TRIUMPH. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Dennis Delap Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? Bobby ________________________________ From: Dennis Delap To: Bill Babcock Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >>> clients stop >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >>> and enthuisasm >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >>> stuff really gets >>> in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >>> will help bail me >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >>> really is pulling >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >>> right stuff is >>> coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 18:13:07 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:13:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0D03F4022B3-84C-14146@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFC0D03F4022B3-84C-14146@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > "kind of hard to stay low key with the Kastner Cup.....but we sure have > improved the image of the TRIUMPH." > That's the low-keyers on high right there! Every year we have an "All Welcome INTERNATIONAL Race Meeting". Its Called the Kastner Cup. If you are into Triumph Racing... Then you really should be at the Kastner Cup. This is THE SHOWCASE for our individual race programs. They key players in the world of Triumphs may have no bio's on the world wide web. But, If they are one (a player). you should find them at the "Kastner Cup." See Everyone in Sept. Everyone! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 18:14:35 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:14:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Tell you what Joe, let's just number that thread as, say #116. To save space and time now when we need a good laugh all we need do is text "116" ! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > i thought the transmission thread was a good one and there were no bad answers. > > we could have it again, as i no longer have any memory of it. > > i wonder what position i would take next time. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: tr3driver ; fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:44 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randall > > Cc: fot > > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> I absolutely think all > >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > > also > >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > > > Are you volunteering ? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 18:18:14 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:18:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 18:18:59 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:18:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0D56E76F643-84C-148CF@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> I think I saw a comedy routine like that once....not sure how it ended. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Joe Alexander Cc: tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Tell you what Joe, let's just number that thread as, say #116. To save space and time now when we need a good laugh all we need do is text "116" ! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: i thought the transmission thread was a good one and there were no bad answers. we could have it again, as i no longer have any memory of it. i wonder what position i would take next time. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Joe Alexander Cc: tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> I absolutely think all >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > also >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Are you volunteering ? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 18:24:27 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:24:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0D63204DE0A-84C-1496B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jan 14 18:41:02 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0D63204DE0A-84C-1496B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1217764446.2227158.1358214062628.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> That's great, Joe. I like the hehehe! part. I'm rapidly approaching that age as well and I have to get my medical papers ready for this season. Should be no-prob. I just put fuel in my car. It's been almost 40 years since it last ran. I'm hoping that's no-prob too. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: jhhasty at gdhs.com, jason at multivintage.com Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:24:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 18:43:50 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:43:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1217764446.2227158.1358214062628.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <8CFC0D63204DE0A-84C-1496B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <1217764446.2227158.1358214062628.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: WOw dave, that's big! You have a fire extinguisher handy, Right? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: davehogye Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:41:02 To: Joe Alexander Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com That's great, Joe. I like the hehehe! part. I'm rapidly approaching that age as well and I have to get my medical papers ready for this season. Should be no-prob. I just put fuel in my car. It's been almost 40 years since it last ran. I'm hoping that's no-prob too. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: jhhasty at gdhs.com, jason at multivintage.com Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:24:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jan 14 18:48:06 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <777089215-1358214233-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-543040914-@b18.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1256771339.2227491.1358214486472.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yes and there's also a fire hydrant close by. Thanks for the vote of confidence. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jason at multivintage.com To: "davehogye" , "Joe Alexander" Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net, jhhasty at gdhs.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:43:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com WOw dave, that's big! You have a fire extinguisher handy, Right? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: davehogye Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:41:02 +0000 (UTC) To: Joe Alexander Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com That's great, Joe. I like the hehehe! part. I'm rapidly approaching that age as well and I have to get my medical papers ready for this season. Should be no-prob. I just put fuel in my car. It's been almost 40 years since it last ran. I'm hoping that's no-prob too. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: jhhasty at gdhs.com, jason at multivintage.com Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:24:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jan 14 21:12:16 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:12:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Message-ID: <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Jan 14 21:44:03 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:44:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:30 PM To: Dennis Delap Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? Bobby ________________________________ From: Dennis Delap To: Bill Babcock Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have >> been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients >>> stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and >>> enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a >>> living stuff really gets in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help >>> bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) >>> are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems >>> to me all the right stuff is coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Jan 15 03:19:15 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 05:19:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com><5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net><1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <15C0F216E1BF4DA598B4CE95D3AD97BF@TRIUMPH.local> Ding ding ding ding..... We have a winner!!! Our Facebook page seems perfect for what we are talking about here, and it's already up and running. Do we really need more? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edward Dunn" >Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com >> >> here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 15 07:10:33 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:10:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, disassembling and re-assembling. On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 15 07:17:17 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:17:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> Message-ID: <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> I used to use his gaskets and they were good, WERE! I ordered some recently and they were wafer thin, warped and very much like what one might expect from VB. These were for Spitfire 1296 applications. It also took three weeks to get the right application parts which he sent twice (wrong parts each time) via next day at my expense. His response was to "just use two!" when I told him these were unacceptable. Sorry, based on that experience, never again! Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:11 AM To: robertten1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, disassembling and re-assembling. On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets > for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 15 07:18:37 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:18:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> Message-ID: good thing I stocked up on the ones for the GT6 that I like! Sounds true to form, anyway. On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: I used to use his gaskets and they were good, WERE! I ordered some recently and they were wafer thin, warped and very much like what one might expect from VB. These were for Spitfire 1296 applications. It also took three weeks to get the right application parts which he sent twice (wrong parts each time) via next day at my expense. His response was to "just use two!" when I told him these were unacceptable. Sorry, based on that experience, never again! Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:11 AM To: robertten1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, disassembling and re-assembling. On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets > for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 09:13:11 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:13:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com>, <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net>, <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Thanks a bunch Ed.:) You have drug me kicking and screaming into the face book masses. Something I swore I would never do but the FOT fb site looked pretty neat. Now to figure out this new (to me) stuff. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > To: igofaster at att.net; yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:44:03 -0800 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > www.vintageracing.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:30 PM > To: Dennis Delap > Cc: FoT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? > Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis Delap > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" > Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself > and their Racing Triumph? > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > > all > the members author privileges. > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap > wrote: > > > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. > >> > >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have > >> been > attending - is almost non existent on our site. > >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. > >> Do we have a writer? > >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. > >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? > >> Could I learn it and help out? > >> > >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. > >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > >> > >> > >>> Dennis, > >>> > >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients > >>> stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and > >>> enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a > >>> living stuff really gets in the way of fun. > >>> > >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > >>> 2013 KCup, I > >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help > >>> bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > >>> Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) > >>> are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems > >>> to me all the right stuff is coming together. > >>> > >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > >>> > >>> Henry > >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Dennis Delap" > >>> To: "Joe Alexander" > >>> Cc: > >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >>> AMERICA...FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. > >>>> Why is it so outdated? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 15 09:25:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:25:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA BANQUET 2 February13 Janet Guthrie HONORED GUEST and Speaker Message-ID: <8CFC15404B9B6A4-1EE0-2EAF5@webmail-d053.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I have not attended in recent years because of winter and distance, but rethinking it with our involvement with VSCDA this year with the KASTNER CUP.....and it doesnt interfere with DISTRICT and STATE wrestling tournaments. :-) VSCDA.org for details. Anyone else in? It would be a good time to get together, and a good time. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 15 09:58:12 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:58:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA BANQUET 2 February13 Janet Guthrie HONORED GUEST and Speaker Message-ID: <29a68.41517091.3e26e4a4@aol.com> In a message dated 01/15/2013 10:25:17 AM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > I have not attended in recent years because of winter and distance, but > rethinking it with our involvement with VSCDA this year with the KASTNER > CUP.....and it doesnt interfere with DISTRICT and STATE wrestling > tournaments. > :-) > > VSCDA.org for details. Anyone else in? It would be a good time to get > together, and a good time. > Joe... Bob Wismer and I usually attend this banquet, but this year we both have family conflicts. Down through the years it has always been a great way to get together with fellow racers during the winter. VSCDA is doing something different for 2013, and holding the event in conjunction with another 'auto club' group. Not sure of the impact this will have, nor how it will work compared to what they have done in the past, but regardless...I wish I was able to go as their speaker and honored guest is Janet Guthrie, who is one classy lady and was one heck of a driver. Granted she is best known as a female Motorsports trail blazer, but more than a few believe that all she lacked was top shelf equipment and she would have been a record setter. Look what she did in TransAm and without a Major Team effort. A few years back she graced a Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team wine and cheese party at Road America with her presence. She's both a great sport, and one classy lady. Her book: Janet Guthrie-A Life at Full Throttle is a very good read and recommended. Bill Dentinger From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jan 15 10:07:39 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:07:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA BANQUET 2 February13 Janet Guthrie HONORED GUEST and Speaker In-Reply-To: <8CFC15404B9B6A4-1EE0-2EAF5@webmail-d053.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFC15404B9B6A4-1EE0-2EAF5@webmail-d053.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I've been considering it but haven't signed up yet. I think the "special room rate" expired yesterday. There's a McKee Engineering race shop tour and brunch with Bob McKee and Janet Guthrie 9:30 am to 1 pm too. Tony Drews At 10:25 AM 1/15/2013, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > >I have not attended in recent years because of winter and distance, but >rethinking it with our involvement with VSCDA this year with the KASTNER >CUP.....and it doesnt interfere with DISTRICT and STATE wrestling tournaments. >:-) > >VSCDA.org for details. Anyone else in? It would be a good time to get >together, and a good time. > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Jan 15 10:28:23 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:28:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> Message-ID: Amici Threw another club I belong to I might be able to provide a contact at a place that can make just about any gasket (head, exhaust, intake, water pump) you might need. I am reaching out to them. Let me know if anyone is interested and I will blast an email to this club Sincerely Chris PS. I have spit parts for sale cheap! Ask and you might be surprise send what I have. On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > good thing I stocked up on the ones for the GT6 that I like! > > Sounds true to form, anyway. > > On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: > > I used to use his gaskets and they were good, WERE! I ordered some recently > and they were wafer thin, warped and very much like what one might expect > from VB. These were for Spitfire 1296 applications. It also took three weeks > to get the right application parts which he sent twice (wrong parts each > time) via next day at my expense. His response was to "just use two!" when I > told him these were unacceptable. Sorry, based on that experience, never > again! > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:11 AM > To: robertten1 at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets > > You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he > makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite > material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, > disassembling and re-assembling. > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > > I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure > if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich > intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my > spares. > > Good Luck, > Bob T > '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) > '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert bownes > To: Robert MacKenzie > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets > > > I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie > wrote: >> Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets >> for the > 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a > better quality gasket. > > I need one urgently. > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '78 1500 (street) > '71 GT6 MKIII (project) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Jan 15 15:14:57 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:14:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gaskets References: <002d01cdf367$db91a9f0$92b4fdd0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Amici Here is a good contact for gaskets. I remember that he has made some copper head gaskets. I think he made an exotic material (fiber type) head gasket. Don't quote me on what they can do. Find out for yourself and contact them. Chris > MERCER GASKET & SHIM INC > 110 BENIGNO BLVD > BELLMAWR, NJ 08031 > (800) 210-5000 > www.mercergasket.com > > Tom Evans > Tricars at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 15 18:27:14 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: Greetings FoT, I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to head clearance assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 Thanks as always, jim g From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 15 23:59:34 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:59:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <20130116014213.E52A54291C@autox.team.net> References: <20130116014213.E52A54291C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I run 1.3mm Am 16.01.2013 02:38 schrieb "Jim Gray" : > Greetings FoT, > > I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston > to > head clearance > > assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. > > I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 > > Thanks as always, > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 05:36:39 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:36:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gaskets References: <002d01cdf367$db91a9f0$92b4fdd0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Amici Here is a contact who has made done gaskets for folks. If I remember correctly they made a copper head gasket. Give them a shout and see what they can do Chris > > MERCER GASKET & SHIM INC > 110 BENIGNO BLVD > BELLMAWR, NJ 08031 > (800) 210-5000 > www.mercergasket.com > > Tom Evans > Tricars at verizon.net From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Jan 16 06:29:08 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:29:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Message-ID: Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson From scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 16 06:53:04 2013 From: scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com (Scott Starkweather) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:53:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles Message-ID: I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my options are? Thanks, Scott From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jan 16 07:06:38 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:06:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> You have an option: cheap and deadly or expensive and safer.......still not an absolute! I can send pictures of what happens with the first option. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Starkweather Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:53 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my options are? Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 16 07:19:23 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:19:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Russ was quicker on the draw than I this morning. And he's 100% correct. $1000 for axles is a heck of a lot cheaper than getting another car. And the car isn't the only thing that can get hurt when "things go wild". This is serious stuff. And it's "safety related". Don't cheap out here, please. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 07:20:28 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:20:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> References: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8511A3DD-C6AA-49CD-9BED-60315C9C23C4@yahoo.com> Agreed. Too much risk to consider cheap as an option. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > You have an option: cheap and deadly or expensive and safer.......still not > an absolute! > I can send pictures of what happens with the first option. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Starkweather > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:53 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing > with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an > alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my > options are? > > Thanks, > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 16 07:27:40 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:27:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Starkweather" Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the > more pricey axles out there? No. > I'm wondering what my options are? Go slow on street tires and hope for the best, or listen to the guys who know firsthand and buy a set of race axles. I think we have guys here that have broken some race prepped axles, so do your homework. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 16 07:35:47 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:35:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: Message-ID: The axles that I got from Joe Siam in SoCal... have been trouble free 2003-2011..they are 1 piece...no keyway..Joe made them from Nissan stuff..Had to turn the yoke for clearance..Don't try to save money on Spitfire axles..If you cannot buy high quality...wait until you can. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Scott Starkweather" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Starkweather" > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > >> Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the >> more pricey axles out there? > > No. > >> I'm wondering what my options are? > > Go slow on street tires and hope for the best, or listen to the guys who > know firsthand and buy a set of race axles. I think we have guys here that > have broken some race prepped axles, so do your homework. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 16 07:38:43 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:38:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: Message-ID: Things go 'Wild' is right...when a Spifire axle goes...the driver is no longer in control...It happened to me with stock axles in the esses at Infineon about 9 years ago. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Scott Starkweather" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > Hi, > > Russ was quicker on the draw than I this morning. And he's 100% correct. > > $1000 for axles is a heck of a lot cheaper than getting another car. And > the car isn't the only thing that can get hurt when "things go wild". > > This is serious stuff. And it's "safety related". Don't cheap out here, > please. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 16 07:41:23 2013 From: scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com (Scott Starkweather) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Message loud and clear! I absolutely agree that safety comes first. I'll be getting my axles ordered soon. Thanks everyone, Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:27 AM, wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Starkweather" > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > >> Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the >> more pricey axles out there? > > No. > >> I'm wondering what my options are? > > Go slow on street tires and hope for the best, or listen to the guys who > know firsthand and buy a set of race axles. I think we have guys here that > have broken some race prepped axles, so do your homework. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 08:22:46 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jan 16 08:32:23 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:32:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> I have been using a Quaife in my Spitfire for the last 10 years. I have no complaints other than the fact that, once you lift the right rear tire, you've got an open diff. Otherwise, so far so good. I'll be experimenting with a Detroit Locker this year, which I hear is going to require a slight modification of driving style. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charles WATSON Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:29 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jan 16 08:41:30 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the 'breakaway" of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car up (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it takes to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes some test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" diff I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little extra :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. CheersTony > To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. > > we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: FOT List > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But > I > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > to > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > Quaife > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jan 16 08:46:55 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:46:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: , , <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps in the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new diffs ...as of yet. > From: horizonracing at msn.com > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply > because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the 'breakaway" > of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a > breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car up > (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it takes > to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes some > test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" diff > I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I > increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little extra > :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. > CheersTony > > To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > > > i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. > > > > we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles WATSON > > To: FOT List > > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am > > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > > > > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. > But > > I > > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > > to > > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > > Quaife > > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > > appreciated! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Watson > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jan 16 08:52:10 2013 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:52:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: , <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC21893BF98D6-95C-1A54C@webmail-m183.sysops.aol.com> If you intend to keep the Roto's for a while I'd be cautious applying any of the aggressive differential options. My GT6 had a quaife for many years because of the opinion offered above. I noticed a significant improvement in traction out of the hairpin at Phoenix Raceway the first time I used it. It's true that you can't lift a tire though. When I went to the Datsun hubs and halfshafts I progressed through Detroit Lockers and welded diffs and sold the quaife as surplus. I don't know of any clutch diffs for our cars. And don't even fantasize about gaining any advantage from that stupid "Phantom Grip"! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; clw2000 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply ecause there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the 'breakaway" f the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a reakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car up Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it takes o turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes some est time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" diff 've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I ncreased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little extra ) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. heersTony > To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net From: n197tr4 at cs.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. ut I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 08:52:29 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:52:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CFC2189F3A4F8E-1260-3B47F@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Lifting Wheel: It's not clear to us what we did with the suspension, but the wheel does not lift and spin on our TR4. It did in the first few years. We do have a slightly wider track when we added spacers. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: 'Charles WATSON' ; FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:35 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD I have been using a Quaife in my Spitfire for the last 10 years. I have no complaints other than the fact that, once you lift the right rear tire, you've got an open diff. Otherwise, so far so good. I'll be experimenting with a Detroit Locker this year, which I hear is going to require a slight modification of driving style. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charles WATSON Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:29 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jan 16 09:41:55 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <95EC88B0F41D474BA6329737642487AE@hpd530> I agree with Russ. Although I drive a TR6, it had notoriously weak rear hubs. The best $800 or so that I ever spent was on Good's rear hubs. Not to mention Uncle Jack's front spindles. My $0.02 worth. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Scott Starkweather'" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > You have an option: cheap and deadly or expensive and safer.......still > not > an absolute! > I can send pictures of what happens with the first option. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Starkweather > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:53 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing > with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an > alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my > options are? > > Thanks, > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 09:46:01 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gaskets Message-ID: Amici, Here is a contact who has made some gaskets for our British cars. I believe he has made, among other things, copper head gaskets MERCER GASKET & SHIM INC 110 BENIGNO BLVD BELLMAWR, NJ 08031 (800) 210-5000 www.mercergasket.com Tom Evans tricars at verizon.net From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 16 09:49:53 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm with Steve - my GT6 has a welded 3.89 in it. There was one in the car when I got it, who knows how old, just destructed this summer after eight years of racing (and I coasted into pit lane with the rear end sounding like a can of bolts). I now have another 3.89 in the car, and a spare one welded up. They're cheap and reliable. They do require a certain driving style for this nose-heavy car - brake mostly before you are in the turn and get on the gas early to aim the car. Cars with welded rears are a pain to roll around the paddock or garage, however! On Jan 16, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Charles WATSON wrote: Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 16 10:25:41 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:25:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <002101cdf40e$84a09b90$8de1d2b0$@com> I had used a welded diff over the years with great success and tried last year a new Bastuck LSD diff. The Bastuck design has a lock from 50-98 percent depending how much throttle you give. More throttle = more lock. It has no ramps only clutch shims and no preload. (it has ramps but in a different way) It feels like a welded diff but you can drive the car around sharp corners like with an open diff. Very smooth unit. Cheers Chris From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 16 11:04:40 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:04:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Message-ID: Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 16 11:25:00 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bastuck LSD References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <002101cdf40e$84a09b90$8de1d2b0$@com> Message-ID: Does anybody have any more information on these units? Will they hold up to the rigors of TR racing? http://www.bastuck.de/shop/index.php?cat=10000&hg=11100 The Bastic website shows the unit sells for 666 euro, or under US$900. They should not change the VAT when shipping to outside the EU. I emailed them about shipping cost to the USA. Sounds very affordable. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >I had used a welded diff over the years with great success and tried last > year a new Bastuck LSD diff. > The Bastuck design has a lock from 50-98 percent depending how much > throttle > you give. > More throttle = more lock. > It has no ramps only clutch shims and no preload. (it has ramps but in a > different way) > It feels like a welded diff but you can drive the car around sharp corners > like with an open diff. > Very smooth unit. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 11:48:57 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:48:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Shawn, good questions. I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can bring you a couple Saturday. Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest style email? Who do I ask about that? Thank you, Shawn Frank From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 16 11:50:44 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Jason raises some excellent points on weak links in the system - my drivetrain is virtually non-stock, with a TR4-6 transmission (GT6 ones last a couple of weekends if you are lucky), a modified driveshaft, the welded rear, halfshafts with spicer u-joints inside and outside, and modified uprights with larger bearings and Corvair stub axles. With the exception of the transmission, this is the way the car came to me, as it was raced in SCCA club racing back in the day. On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jan 16 12:13:18 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:13:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bastuck LSD References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com><002101cdf40e$84a09b90$8de1d2b0$@com> Message-ID: <95160196FE244FA497DE03592FBE64FC@Charly> Isn't that the Tran-x unit? Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "MadMarx" ; "'FOT List'" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [Fot] Bastuck LSD > Does anybody have any more information on these units? Will they hold up > to the rigors of TR racing? > > http://www.bastuck.de/shop/index.php?cat=10000&hg=11100 > > The Bastic website shows the unit sells for 666 euro, or under US$900. > They should not change the VAT when shipping to outside the EU. I emailed > them about shipping cost to the USA. > > Sounds very affordable. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > >>I had used a welded diff over the years with great success and tried last >> year a new Bastuck LSD diff. >> The Bastuck design has a lock from 50-98 percent depending how much >> throttle >> you give. >> More throttle = more lock. >> It has no ramps only clutch shims and no preload. (it has ramps but in a >> different way) >> It feels like a welded diff but you can drive the car around sharp >> corners >> like with an open diff. >> Very smooth unit. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jan 16 12:23:33 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:23:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cdf41e$f98c9a70$eca5cf50$@net> I would be interested in these items also. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:49 PM To: my71spit13 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email Shawn, good questions. I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can bring you a couple Saturday. Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest style email? Who do I ask about that? Thank you, Shawn Frank _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jan 16 12:50:15 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:50:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50F70477.2020005@bradakis.com> Digest? Click on your 'Unsubscribe/Manage' link below. mjb. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 12:55:19 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:55:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Shawn, good questions. > > I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else > wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can > bring you a couple Saturday. > > Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. > > Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Frank > To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm > Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email > > > > Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? > Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there > any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest > style email? Who do I ask about that? > > Thank you, > > Shawn Frank > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Jan 16 13:01:16 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: I appreciate all the advice and comments. To round out the picture, I am converting to a TR6 trans and am replacing the rotoflex system with a much beefier CV set up. Trying to start with upgraded components where I know there will be failures otherwise. I like the idea of staying with the stock 3.89 if it is not ridiculously uncompetitive and then moving to the welded diff later. Seems like an economical progression too. Thanks, Chuck Watson Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD From: sjanzen at me.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:50:44 -0500 CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net To: jason at multivintage.com Jason raises some excellent points on weak links in the system - my drivetrain is virtually non-stock, with a TR4-6 transmission (GT6 ones last a couple of weekends if you are lucky), a modified driveshaft, the welded rear, halfshafts with spicer u-joints inside and outside, and modified uprights with larger bearings and Corvair stub axles. With the exception of the transmission, this is the way the car came to me, as it was raced in SCCA club racing back in the day. On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Jan 16 13:31:07 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:31:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: <50F70E0B.1000908@comcast.net> I suspect the GT6 rear suspension will work much better than the Spitfire's swing axles. Years ago, I tried racing a Spit with an open diff for one weekend. It was horrid. The inside rear got so light in the turns that I could spin the Goodyear slick in third gear at 70 mph. Put in a welded diff and knocked around 2 seconds off the lap time if I remember correctly. On 1/16/2013 12:01 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > I appreciate all the advice and comments. To round out the picture, I am > converting to a TR6 trans and am replacing the rotoflex system with a much > beefier CV set up. Trying to start with upgraded components where I know > there will be failures otherwise. I like the idea of staying with the stock > 3.89 if it is not ridiculously uncompetitive and then moving to the welded > diff later. Seems like an economical progression too. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson From chasgee at aol.com Wed Jan 16 13:39:15 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:39:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> Or you could just buy mine and skip all of this development stuff. ;). Chuck On Jan 16, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > I appreciate all the advice and comments. To round out the picture, I am > converting to a TR6 trans and am replacing the rotoflex system with a much > beefier CV set up. Trying to start with upgraded components where I know > there will be failures otherwise. I like the idea of staying with the stock > 3.89 if it is not ridiculously uncompetitive and then moving to the welded > diff later. Seems like an economical progression too. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > From: sjanzen at me.com > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:50:44 -0500 > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > To: jason at multivintage.com > > Jason raises some excellent points on weak links in the system - my drivetrain > is virtually non-stock, with a TR4-6 transmission (GT6 ones last a couple of > weekends if you are lucky), a modified driveshaft, the welded rear, halfshafts > with spicer u-joints inside and outside, and modified uprights with larger > bearings and Corvair stub axles. > With the exception of the transmission, this is the way the car came to me, as > it was raced in SCCA club racing back in the day. > > > > > On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd > buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like > TSI or similar trusted source) > Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He > went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder > on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will > be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your > driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key > components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how > to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first > season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) > stock diff. > I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. > In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced > choice. > BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between > gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a > "trick" diff. may serve you well. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > ------Original Message------ > From: Charles WATSON > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: FOT List > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But > I > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > to > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > Quaife > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 14:14:50 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:14:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> FOT: It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and Marty Sukey. This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, shipping, ad nauseum. You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not be further runs. As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. Any other ideas? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Joe Alexander Cc: my71spit13 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 16 14:37:19 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:37:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <000001cdf41e$f98c9a70$eca5cf50$@net> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdf41e$f98c9a70$eca5cf50$@net> Message-ID: If anybody needs any large size FOT (or other type) decals, I can do these on a low volume basis for anyone who wants some. Just shoot me an email. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:24 PM To: 'Joe Alexander'; my71spit13 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I would be interested in these items also. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:49 PM To: my71spit13 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email Shawn, good questions. I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can bring you a couple Saturday. Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest style email? Who do I ask about that? Thank you, Shawn Frank _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Jan 16 14:34:45 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I believe those diffs are also available from others - Racestorations are not the sole supplier. TR Enterprises in Nottingham definately can supply and as I've found at a good price. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Jan 2013, at 15:46, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps in > the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who > used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available > through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new diffs > ...as of yet. >> From: horizonracing at msn.com >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >> >> Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply >> because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the > 'breakaway" >> of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a >> breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car > up >> (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it > takes >> to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes > some >> test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" > diff >> I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I >> increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little > extra >> :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. >> CheersTony >>> To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. >>> >>> we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> A. R. E. >>> 645 1st Street >>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>> n197tr4 at cs.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Charles WATSON >>> To: FOT List >>> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am >>> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> >>> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. >> But >>> I >>> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go > back >>> to >>> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >>> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the >>> Quaife >>> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >>> appreciated! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 16 15:01:57 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:01:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > Or you could just buy mine and skip all of this development stuff. ;). > > Chuck > Interesting proposition Eh Watson? > > Of course, Mr. Gee, Although we have no doubts about the quality of your design and potential for performance... We have yet to hear so much as a peep as far as race reports go.(at least here on FoT) It sure looks lovely on paper. Got any wear on that rubber? Rumor has it you are busy with work and have not had much free time to get that baby out on track? How's that sweet looking coupe performing? Look at this Gaggle of interested geese! If you get a chance, Can you give us any update on that gt6.... anything since the book came out? How does it compare with your Cup winning spitfire for example? Sorry to bother but its really cold out here and all some of us can do right now is TALK about Racing. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 15:03:58 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:03:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD now TR ENTERPRISES In-Reply-To: References: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC24C84D5A1DD-1260-3F32E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Yes, TR ENTERPRISES AND Simon Watson, Parts Manager for TR Enterprises will be one of our UK Guests at KCUP 2013. This would be a good time to ask him about these and other parts that are available thru TR ENTERPRISES. Jon Wood, who is a Master Triumph Wrench for our race cars will be coming, as well. The Kastner Cup at Road America is going to be a very good place to be in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: TR4 Tony To: Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: ; ; Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD I believe those diffs are also available from others - Racestorations are not the sole supplier. TR Enterprises in Nottingham definately can supply and as I've found at a good price. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Jan 2013, at 15:46, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps in > the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who > used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available > through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new diffs > ...as of yet. >> From: horizonracing at msn.com >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >> >> Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply >> because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the > 'breakaway" >> of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a >> breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car > up >> (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it > takes >> to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes > some >> test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" > diff >> I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I >> increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little > extra >> :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. >> CheersTony >>> To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. >>> >>> we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> A. R. E. >>> 645 1st Street >>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>> n197tr4 at cs.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Charles WATSON >>> To: FOT List >>> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am >>> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> >>> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. >> But >>> I >>> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go > back >>> to >>> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >>> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the >>> Quaife >>> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >>> appreciated! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:29:46 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:29:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8E2CAD6A-A479-4425-8CC2-45A3A51CA474@aol.com> I have an extra stick diff if anyone is interested. Chris On Jan 16, 2013, at 4:34 PM, TR4 Tony wrote: > I believe those diffs are also available from others - Racestorations are not > the sole supplier. TR Enterprises in Nottingham definately can supply and as > I've found at a good price. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 16 Jan 2013, at 15:46, Tony and Annie Garmey > wrote: > >> I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps > in >> the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who >> used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available >> through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new > diffs >> ...as of yet. >>> From: horizonracing at msn.com >>> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply >>> because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the >> 'breakaway" >>> of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a >>> breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car >> up >>> (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it >> takes >>> to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes >> some >>> test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" >> diff >>> I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I >>> increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little >> extra >>> :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. >>> CheersTony >>>> To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>>> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>>> >>>> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. >>>> >>>> we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> A. R. E. >>>> 645 1st Street >>>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>>> n197tr4 at cs.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Charles WATSON >>>> To: FOT List >>>> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am >>>> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>>> >>>> >>>> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. >>> But >>>> I >>>> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go >> back >>>> to >>>> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >>>> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the >>>> Quaife >>>> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >>>> appreciated! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Watson >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:39:48 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:39:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> References: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> I've always run welded diffs in my cars. I don't know about them being the advanced choice, but they are cheap and very effective, especially in light cars like ours. I also have Detroit Lockers that I haven't played with yet. Kas and Barker like them better than welded. If I had one at Portland in the rain a few years ago, the rear end may have been more forgiving and I might not ended in the wall. That's what Jerry Barker tells me anyway. Chuck On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:04 AM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) > Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. > I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. > BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > ------Original Message------ > From: Charles WATSON > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: FOT List > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:46:56 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:46:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> Message-ID: <735259D7-C66A-409A-9453-8A63F3390180@aol.com> I've had it out a few times and its coming along nicely. Still some teething issues with carburetor settings and spring rates but hey, tuning is what it's all about. The last race I finished 8th out of about 35, third in class. Not bad for a relatively new car and not being a regular at the track for a while. The best thing was that nothing broke and I didn't have to fix anything. Just messed with tuning stuff. I plan on getting out a little more this year, including the Cup race at Elkhart. Looks like about a 70% chance that I'll be there. The car should be very developed by then. Chuck On Jan 16, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: >> Or you could just buy mine and skip all of this development stuff. ;). >> >> Chuck >> Interesting proposition Eh Watson? > Of course, Mr. Gee, Although we have no doubts about the quality of your design and potential for performance... We have yet to hear so much as a peep as far as race reports go.(at least here on FoT) > It sure looks lovely on paper. > Got any wear on that rubber? > Rumor has it you are busy with work and have not had much free time to get that baby out on track? > How's that sweet looking coupe performing? > Look at this Gaggle of interested geese! > If you get a chance, Can you give us any update on that gt6.... anything since the book came out? How does it compare with your Cup winning spitfire for example? > > Sorry to bother but its really cold out here and all some of us can do right now is TALK about Racing. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 16:46:56 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:46:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> References: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm very fond of a good LSD, they give you all the traction you're going to get without drama. Lockers are dramatic and affect the handling. I don't see a need to have something more that I need to manage. Welded is fine except for the handling oddities--again, something you have to drive around. I like having the car take care of that stuff so I don't have to. On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > I've always run welded diffs in my cars. I don't know about them being the > advanced choice, but they are cheap and very effective, especially in light > cars like ours. I also have Detroit Lockers that I haven't played with yet. > Kas and Barker like them better than welded. If I had one at Portland in the > rain a few years ago, the rear end may have been more forgiving and I might > not ended in the wall. > > That's what Jerry Barker tells me anyway. > > Chuck > > On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:04 AM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > >> Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, > I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, > like TSI or similar trusted source) >> Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. > (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and > harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you > will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your > driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key > components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how > to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first > season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) > stock diff. >> I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the > table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the > advanced choice. >> BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between > gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a > "trick" diff. may serve you well. >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Charles WATSON >> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> To: FOT List >> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >> Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM >> >> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But > I >> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > to >> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > Quaife >> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >> appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Watson >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com >> >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:58:27 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:58:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have quite a bit of badges and flags. However a second run of each can be done if needed. Chris On Jan 16, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. > > Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and > Marty Sukey. > > This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, > shipping, ad nauseum. > > You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not > be further runs. > > As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY > TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I > am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars > for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some > signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. > > Any other ideas? > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Bock > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: my71spit13 ; fot > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email > > > I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to > you. > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 16 17:24:29 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:24:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm very fond of a good LSD, Quick clarification in regards to this thread. Is there a LSD clutch type for the GT6 currently available? Thanks Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jsclark at live.ca Wed Jan 16 17:40:36 2013 From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:40:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup Message-ID: I'm 90% certain you can add another GT6 to the field for the Kasner Cup, the track is only 16 hours from Ottawa and if she stays together for the 2013 season I'll be there, sounds like it's going to be a blast!Jeff Clark71 Gt6 #56 From igofaster at att.net Wed Jan 16 18:54:30 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:54:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <15C0F216E1BF4DA598B4CE95D3AD97BF@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com><5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net><1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <15C0F216E1BF4DA598B4CE95D3AD97BF@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1358387670.35851.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> put some pix on tonight... I agree... if you aren't on facebook it's okay to cross over to the light... Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, January 15, 2013 4:19:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Ding ding ding ding..... We have a winner!!! Our Facebook page seems perfect for what we are talking about here, and it's already up and running. Do we really need more? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edward Dunn" >Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com >> >> here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jan 16 19:09:27 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:09:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Message-ID: <20aa2.178ee217.3e28b757@aol.com> Yeah, this thread has gotten confusing with the TR crowd answering a small chassis question. It's all good stuff but can get confusing. The two are not interchangable so maybe any subsequent responders could clarify the size they are referring to. Cuz I like reading about it all....;-)) In a message dated 1/16/2013 4:25:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jason at multivintage.com writes: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm very fond of a good LSD, Quick clarification in regards to this thread. Is there a LSD clutch type for the GT6 currently available? Thanks Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 16 19:43:10 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <20aa2.178ee217.3e28b757@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130117024310.MM9OQ.5060.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> > Quick clarification in regards to this thread. > Is there a LSD clutch type for the GT6 currently available? Bastuck has one listed on their Spit/GT6/Vitesse page, part number D200SPT. I assume that means it will fit a GT6, but I don't claim to know. Unfortunately it seems that direct links don't work, and their web site is a bit difficult to navigate. But here is a starting point: http://www.bastuck.de/ Randall From igofaster at att.net Wed Jan 16 19:44:19 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:44:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1358390659.15323.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> free beer for everybody ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 16, 2013 3:17:01 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA FOT: It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and Marty Sukey. This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, shipping, ad nauseum. You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not be further runs. As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. Any other ideas? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Joe Alexander Cc: my71spit13 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 19:50:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <1358390659.15323.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <1358390659.15323.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC2749A47155E-1260-4256B@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> free beer for everybody ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ FRIDAY nite at the KCUP is free beer nite for all drivers and crew............... From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 16, 2013 3:17:01 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA FOT: It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and Marty Sukey. This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, shipping, ad nauseum. You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not be further runs. As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. Any other ideas? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Joe Alexander Cc: my71spit13 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Jan 16 20:10:39 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:10:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1358392239.19296.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Robert: The sad thing is there are no $1,000.00 axles out there. The options are the axles Joe Siam sells, for I believe, north of $2,000, and the ones I designed for Summer's Brothers which were around $1,200 the last time I ordered a couple of sets in 2006-2007. IMHO I would not buy the Summer's Brothers axles anymore. After I gave them permission to use my design and build as they required they changed the design to; in my opinion, a inferior design with cheaper, smaller bearings. The first twenty or so sets were as we wanted, but the last two sets were pure junk. The original thought with the Summer's axles was to make a reasonably priced one piece axle using a Triumph lower trunnion modified for bigger bearings that could be bolted on with no other mods. We were successful with that, but, smaller bearings were substituted and the retainer ring was changed. The last two sets have had problems. If I were buying a set of Spitfire axles today I would buy the ones from Joe S. This coming from the guy that designed the ones that Summer's sells. Joe's are a far superior design. Everything is enlarged beyond the minimal safe requirements, and although it uses custom parts instead of Stanpart trunnions and vertical links it does not require mods to your car. Scott: Buy the ones from Joe S. -Ed Barnard- --- On Wed, 1/16/13, Robert M. Lang wrote: From: Robert M. Lang Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles To: "Scott Starkweather" Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 8:19 AM Hi, Russ was quicker on the draw than I this morning. And he's 100% correct. $1000 for axles is a heck of a lot cheaper than getting another car. And the car isn't the only thing that can get hurt when "things go wild". This is serious stuff. And it's "safety related". Don't cheap out here, please. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu Jan 17 05:58:47 2013 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 06:58:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles Message-ID: I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved to race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type this if it had been there. I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle breaks the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Jan 17 06:48:18 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002001cdf4b9$4e8bbc00$eba33400$@rr.com> It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a number of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was being offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved to race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type this if it had been there. I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle breaks the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 17 09:52:39 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:52:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles References: <002001cdf4b9$4e8bbc00$eba33400$@rr.com> Message-ID: Contact Joe Siam..he may be up for making a set..he's with FOT RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" ; Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles > It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a > number > of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was > being > offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff > you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles > > I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros > axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again > and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved > to > race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 > rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it > was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in > 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type > this > if it had been there. > I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. > Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle > breaks > the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jan 17 13:19:52 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:19:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit gt6 diff Message-ID: <7D1DE468-C7DD-4F6B-B25B-3CAF57D55B4D@aol.com> Amici. Can a spit diff (FH) be used in a GT6? Can 2 extra studs be drilled into the case? Thanks Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 17 13:36:12 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:36:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com>, , <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> , <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I just received a complimentary copy of TRIUMPH WORLD.....mentioned by Bill Dentinger, recently. It has become quite a substantial magazine. I marvel at how much goes on in the UK, regarding the TR MARQUE, when you consider a reported 90% was exported from the UK, elsewhere. John Clancy has provided a link to TRIUMPH WORLD for a digital version. (see below) John and his wife are hoping to include the KCUP 2013 in their travel plans this year. We are working on this with them. John has some amazing documentary DVDs in the works. Well worth supporting John in his efforts. check out www,triumphdvd.co.uk and the trailers. Anyway, this digital issue contains an extensive interview with Kas Kastner and a second installment will be available next month. Like I said, TRIUMPH WORLD has become a pretty meaty magazine....and you might be in it, and dont know it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Clancy To: Joe Alexander Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:57 am Subject: RE: Repair Panel Installation Guide - NRP DVD Simon Goldsworthy the editor of Triumph World sent both you and Kas a copy of the mag. It's not very well known in America which is a shame. However, they recently started producing it as a download and the current issue is here - http://www.pocketmags.com/viewmagazine.aspx?titleid=662&title=Triumph+World - perhaps next time you send out an email to the FOT list it might be an idea to mention this digital version. With this issue and the next it will be entirely relevant too because Kas is in them. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jan 17 13:43:04 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:43:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com>, , <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> , <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50F86258.8000702@bradakis.com> I used to subscribe, but the company that was acting as the US distributor screwed something up, I don't recall the exact circumstances. Maybe I'll get around to signing up again. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 17 13:50:43 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:50:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: <50F86258.8000702@bradakis.com> References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com>, , <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> , <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> <50F86258.8000702@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CFC30B73535314-978-48E10@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> I had a subscription at one time and we had a US correspondent that was an FOT. I let the subscription lapse... Now, with John Clancy, we have a new connection with the magazine. I am sure he will continue to contribute to TRIUMPH WORLD. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD I used to subscribe, but the company that was acting as the US distributor screwed something up, I don't recall the exact circumstances. Maybe I'll get around to signing up again. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 17 13:53:55 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:53:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com> <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1318628A-3064-4EFE-8F7F-9C3118B089EC@austin.rr.com> We buy the magazine and distribute them at club meetings to 9 "subscribers". That made us a dealer. We get a box every few months and collect in ) month increments. I think it is $4.50 an issue this way. It would work if you have a club with regular meetings. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > I just received a complimentary copy of TRIUMPH WORLD.....mentioned by Bill > Dentinger, recently. It has become quite a substantial magazine. I marvel at > how much goes on in the UK, regarding the TR MARQUE, when you consider a > reported 90% was exported from the UK, elsewhere. > > John Clancy has provided a link to TRIUMPH WORLD for a digital version. (see > below) John and his wife are hoping to include the KCUP 2013 in their travel > plans this year. We are working on this with them. John has some amazing > documentary DVDs in the works. Well worth supporting John in his efforts. > check out www,triumphdvd.co.uk and the trailers. > > Anyway, this digital issue contains an extensive interview with Kas Kastner > and a second installment will be available next month. Like I said, TRIUMPH > WORLD has become a pretty meaty magazine....and you might be in it, and dont > know it. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Clancy > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:57 am > Subject: RE: Repair Panel Installation Guide - NRP DVD > > > Simon Goldsworthy the editor of Triumph World sent both you and Kas a copy of > the mag. It's not very well known in America which is a shame. However, they > recently started producing it as a download and the current issue is here - > http://www.pocketmags.com/viewmagazine.aspx?titleid=662&title=Triumph+World - > perhaps next time you send out an email to the FOT list it might be an idea to > mention this digital version. With this issue and the next it will be > entirely relevant too because Kas is in them. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Thu Jan 17 17:31:16 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:31:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks Message-ID: <7AC8408F-9690-41D8-BFB1-1B32E2A7529B@charter.net> From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Jan 17 17:33:32 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:33:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks In-Reply-To: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> Message-ID: <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: Jerry Barr To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From jeffwhall at aol.com Thu Jan 17 19:59:45 2013 From: jeffwhall at aol.com (jeffwhall at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> Message-ID: <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Hay guys, Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? Jeff Hall -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: Jerry Barr To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jan 17 20:08:26 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:08:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jeffwhall at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires Hay guys, Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? Jeff Hall -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: Jerry Barr To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Jan 17 20:39:59 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:39:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles In-Reply-To: <002001cdf4b9$4e8bbc00$eba33400$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1358480399.81989.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Russ: Yes, as you said they have changed hands...many times. When I designed them after our meet at MO in 2002, Mrs Summers still owned the company, and retained it through the first two or three orders. After that it went to another group whom I had no problem getting good product from. After them, in about 2006, it went to two guys with manufacturing backgrounds. It was at this time that things started to fall apart. It took about 6-8 months to get the last pair from these guys. It may have sold again since then. Just to clarify things; Summers can build good stuff. When Joe Siam started with his design, about the same time I was trying to get the last pair, Joe was bringing his design out. His axles were being made by Summers, and we were competing for production time. I don't know if Joe still uses Summers to make the axles for his conversion, but, the axles were not the weak point of my design. It was the bearing change. Besides, Joe's axles are designed with a much greater safety margin. The axles I designed filled a need until someone was willing to jump in with something better. -Ed- --- On Thu, 1/17/13, Spitfire Racing wrote: From: Spitfire Racing Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 7:48 AM It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a number of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was being offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved to race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type this if it had been there. I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle breaks the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 17 21:06:39 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:06:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles References: <1358480399.81989.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When i got mine from Joe Siam he told me that lubing before each race weekend is extreemely important. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" ; ; "Spitfire Racing" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles > Russ: > Yes, as you said they have changed hands...many times. When I designed > them > after our meet at MO in 2002, Mrs Summers still owned the company, and > retained it through the first two or three orders. After that it went to > another group whom I had no problem getting good product from. After them, > in > about 2006, it went to two guys with manufacturing backgrounds. It was at > this > time that things started to fall apart. It took about 6-8 months to get > the > last pair from these guys. It may have sold again since then. > Just to clarify things; Summers can build good stuff. When Joe Siam > started > with his design, about the same time I was trying to get the last pair, > Joe > was bringing his design out. His axles were being made by Summers, and we > were > competing for production time. I don't know if Joe still uses Summers to > make > the axles for his conversion, but, the axles were not the weak point of my > design. It was the bearing change. Besides, Joe's axles are designed with > a > much greater safety margin. The axles I designed filled a need until > someone > was willing to jump in with something better. > -Ed- > > > --- On Thu, 1/17/13, Spitfire Racing wrote: > > > From: Spitfire Racing > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles > To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" , > fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 7:48 AM > > > It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a > number > of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was > being > offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff > you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles > > I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros > axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again > and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved > to > race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 > rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it > was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in > 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type > this > if it had been there. > I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. > Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle > breaks > the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From clw2000 at msn.com Fri Jan 18 07:17:49 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:17:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur>, <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur>, <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Check out Acme Speed Shop, here in Greenville SC. They are a dealer for VTO and can custom order or have a stock fitting. I know the owner (Hap) and he is a well known MG vintage racer. www.acmespeedshop.com Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; jerrybarr at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Jan 18 07:25:39 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:25:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Amici Just say I was going to use joes rear axles and aluminum hubs for the front of my spit. Would it be easier to change the bolt pattern to a more common pattern to be able to use more accessible rims? If so what would the bolt pattern be? Chris On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Charles WATSON wrote: > Check out Acme Speed Shop, here in Greenville SC. They are a dealer for VTO > and can custom order or have a stock fitting. I know the owner (Hap) and he > is a well known MG vintage racer. www.acmespeedshop.com > > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > >> To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; jerrybarr at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net >> From: jeffwhall at aol.com >> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 -0500 >> Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires >> >> Hay guys, >> >> Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? >> >> Jeff Hall >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barr, Scott >> To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends >> >> Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks >> >> >> Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. >> >> Scott B. >> >> Scott Barr >> McCarty Law LLP >> (920) 257-2233 >> www.mccarty-law.com >> >> >> -----Original message----- >> From: Jerry Barr >> To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" >> Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 >> Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From jkhagen at charter.net Fri Jan 18 07:32:25 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:32:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires Message-ID: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even TR-3-4. Has anyone have to upgrade these? Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. Have seen it done through my TVR experience. Comments? John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street > T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options > (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: > ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Jan 18 10:30:56 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:30:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Triumph GT6 front springs and shocks Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Dad seems to be having some trouble posting to the list at the moment. Here's what he wanted to ask: "I am rebuilding the front shocks and springs on my #59 Red 68 GT6 What are you GT6 guys using?" Editor's Note: Dad's rebuilding the suspension on his GT6 racer, last revised in 2002. He's got in hand a set of Carrera shocks (adjustable ride-height fronts and regular rears) which are worn out and has investigated the replacement of just the shock component. It appears that's fairly expensive. He's also got a set of Spax shocks, again ride-height adjustable in front. But the Carrera springs may not work with the Spax spring seat. Anyway, he's looking for opinions on what's out there now for GT6s. Scott B. From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jan 18 17:04:10 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:04:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> Message-ID: <50F9E2FA.8000601@pobox.com> I bought a couple of grill badges during the original offering. Now that my TR250 is restored, I'm ready to mount one and can't decide how I should do it. Do you have any examples (photos) or suggestions for mounting these badges. I want to give FoT maximum exposure on this beautiful TR250. Larry On 1/16/2013 1:55 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to > you. > > > Chris From rikrock at live.com Sat Jan 19 12:37:00 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:37:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: John, The only use of GT6 front axles I have seen on a TVR was done on the earlier (pre-1972) models, and it required use of a GT6 vertical link and custom-made hubs to accomodate the 4x4-1/2" pattern (same as big TR) on the wheels. Gt6 axles are larger diameter, even in the tapered section which fits in the upright, and they won't fit in the Spitfire/Herald uprights used on the (pre-72) Vixens and Granturas . They won't go in the TR6 upright used on the post-1972 TVR's either. Through the 60's and 70's used the Tr4-6 front axles and hubs. Most interesting is that those front axles fit in the Herald/Spitfire uprights! I suppose if a GT6 driver wanted to use a wheel with a 4-1/2" bolt circle instead of the stock 3-3/4" they might consider trying to adapt a TR4-6 front hub. Is that what you have seen done? Rich Rock > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:32:25 -0500 > From: jkhagen at charter.net > To: jason at multivintage.com > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different > [beefier] than even TR-3-4. Has anyone have to upgrade these? Make > any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and > use TR-4 hubs etc etc. Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve > concept. Have seen it done through my TVR experience. Comments? John > Hagen > > . From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 11:03:01 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:03:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT DECALS-AVAILABLE THE FOT "COAT OF ARMS" a matter of pride. Message-ID: <8CFC54F854AC998-1C6C-1D3A9@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I went to 'SIGNS BY TOMORROW' and got a quote for 100 3" x 3" FOT surface mount decals. I sense there is a pent up demand for decals......and would like to address this. TWO DECALS for $10.00 delivered......$3.00 for each additional decal. A bargain. Give me your address and quantity. I will send right away. It's up to you to get me the cash for the FOT account. I have bubble pak envelopes ready and fill and address...... while I am watching Speed Channel. This week would be a good week to do it......You can make checks to FOT. We have a non-organization account. BTW, while I was at SIGNS BY TOMORROW, I inquired about a sign showing the names of the folks who are "sponsoring" the 2013 Kastner Cup. For about $25 I can get a very nice weather proof sign with a wire stand to push into the ground. If you are a "commercial" entity and your business benefits from the FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH in some way, you may want to make an 'unsolicited contribution' and get your name on this sign......any funds not expended in 2013 will rollover to 2014. Right now I have about 21 private individuals who have made a contribution to the Kastner Cup Series. Joe Alexander F.O.T. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jan 20 12:51:18 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:51:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Need Help References: <84cb8b49-9a08-4a23-b25b-33435a817ac0@blur> Message-ID: Afternoon all, See below request for a copy of the current Victory Lane magazine. Anybody care to give up their copy when they're done with it? This one has a Road America ad on the inside of the front cover featuring a beloved 944. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: "rhgjr944 at new.rr.com" To: "bnbsnive at charter.net" , "john.jung at comcast.net" , "john.krebs at jsdinc.com" , "esandsnes at royaloakengineering.com" , "dan.nicotera at dresser.com" , "racefiesta at yahoo.com" , "gail.woelfle at tdstelecom.com" , "woody_53 at charter.net" , "racefiesta at yahoo.com" , "fanghornforest at gmail.com" , "RSandsnes at glhec.org" , "mbsam at tds.net" , "cooper at tbc.net" , "cricket3skd at comcast.net" , "2jw9boldt1 at comcast.net" <2jw9boldt1 at comcast.net>, "Barr, Scott" , "jsnively at charter.net" , "REWoelfle at gmail.com" , "saccameno at aol.com" , "kwpw at charter.net" , "garygret at sbcglobal.net" , "rakowski at facstaff.wisc.edu" , "jjbraatz at charter.net" , "racestaffer at yahoo.com" , "robin131 at centurytel.net" , "martinwjus at sbcglobal.net" , "A1Dave at centurytel.net" , "robin131 at centurytel.net" , "teutter at sbcglobal.net" , "dnicoter at voyager.net" , "ray.jackson.madison at gmail.com" , "pamartin at macneil.com" Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 18:41:46 GMT+00:00 Subject: Need Help Hi all- I found out from the guy who bought the ARMS Motorsports collection, Matt Jenson, that there is an ad for Road America on the inside front cover of the current Victory Lane magazine that has a picture of the ARMS flagship red 944 in it. Matt doesn't want to give up his copy, and I have checked the local bookstores with no luck. Does anyone get this mag, and would you be willing to give it up? Or know where I might get my hands on a copy? Thanks, Rick From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 13:14:46 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 lives again! Message-ID: <128790365.114779.1358712886512.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello Friends, I'm excited to share with you the news that my TR3 is finally together and running. As far as I know it hasn't run since 1975 and the restoration/ race car build has taken me a long 57 months. I have a few small details to attend to before I can drive it, but I made it through the initial start up and break-in period last Friday night with the much needed assistance of Greg Solow. It started instantly, ran great and sounds amazing. Thanks again Greg. I have been honored to have Greg standing by and sharing his expertise during the most important steps of the motor build and he worked some real magic with carb tuning during the start up. Oh, the things that I have learned. I would of course like to thank to all my Friends of Triumph for the encouragement, inspiration and sharing of much needed parts and information during this process. I would really be lost without you all and may have never made it to this point. I love my TR, Dave H. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 13:56:10 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:56:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent books. I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have thought there was the potential for contribution. Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Michael Haberthur To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a wonderful group supporting Triumphs. On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the original 'charter'. we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. thanks for being interested...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Haberthur To: Joe Alexander References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> I tend to think in terms of increasing interest in Triumph competition. At car shows I like to encourage folks to sit in our cars, touch them and even start them up. I'm interested in getting more folks interested regardless of whether they currently race or not. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:56 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > FOT: > > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Jan 20 14:24:00 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:24:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@w ebmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: I think that if he is allowed to join he will eventually get into a TR. Chris On Jan 20, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > I tend to think in terms of increasing interest in Triumph competition. At car > shows I like to encourage folks to sit in our cars, touch them and even start > them up. I'm interested in getting more folks interested regardless of > whether they currently race or not. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:56 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> FOT: >> >> I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got >> a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown >> and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent >> books. >> >> I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have >> thought there was the potential for contribution. >> >> Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander >> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> >> Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was > putting >> myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our > country. >> How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other >> than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks >> anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a >> wonderful group supporting Triumphs. >> >> On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. >> >> i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on > the >> original 'charter'. >> >> we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. >> >> thanks for being interested...... >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> OK I know I'm pushing i... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 14:25:11 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:25:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! References: <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: <627109AD52474D73ADC76737A9FA7A76@Bud> I vote to admit him to FOT..He's got the '\Spirit' Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! >I tend to think in terms of increasing interest in Triumph competition. At >car > shows I like to encourage folks to sit in our cars, touch them and even > start > them up. I'm interested in getting more folks interested regardless of > whether they currently race or not. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:56 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> FOT: >> >> I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got >> a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown >> and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent >> books. >> >> I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we >> have >> thought there was the potential for contribution. >> >> Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander >> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> >> Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was > putting >> myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our > country. >> How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later >> other >> than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks >> anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a >> wonderful group supporting Triumphs. >> >> On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. >> >> i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on > the >> original 'charter'. >> >> we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. >> >> thanks for being interested...... >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> OK I know I'm pushing i... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Jan 20 14:34:58 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:34:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! Message-ID: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> In a message dated 01/20/2013 2:56:17 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where > we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. Read BELOW and tell us > all what you think. Joe... Why don't I contact him off list and encourage him to reapply, claiming to be building a Triumph race car. That way you don't have to bend the rules, and God knows bending truth is not a sin around here. Bill (Damdinger) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 20 14:38:13 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:38:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> Message-ID: And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Damdinger) From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 14:43:36 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:43:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Actually, he was presented to the ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, and was on Board of Directors of STANDARD TRIUMPH.....how's that? He could be on Bill Dentinger's crew. Bill needs his shift knob polished. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: BillDentin Cc: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Damdinger) From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 20 14:46:59 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50FC65D3.3030200@bradakis.com> At the very least have him check out http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo as he may be interested in some of the Triumph related lists there. mjb. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 20 14:52:10 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:52:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I dunno, didn't they run the biz into the ground? :) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Actually, he was presented to the ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, and was on Board of Directors of STANDARD TRIUMPH.....how's that? > > He could be on Bill Dentinger's crew. Bill needs his shift knob polished. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: BillDentin > Cc: n197tr4 ; fot > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! > > And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Damdinger) From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 15:00:55 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:00:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC570C1719BE9-1C6C-1E45B@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> I knew that was coming back to me..... :-) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: Joe Alexander Cc: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! I dunno, didn't they run the biz into the ground? :) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: Actually, he was presented to the ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, and was on Board of Directors of STANDARD TRIUMPH.....how's that? He could be on Bill Dentinger's crew. Bill needs his shift knob polished. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: BillDentin Cc: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Damdinger) From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 20 15:38:35 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:38:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1358721515.56746.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joe See what Henry has to say. I'll say the opposite. D > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You > can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. > He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four > of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past > where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. > Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club > stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years > defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no > time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on > lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a > donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" > wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the > past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay > the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, > journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 16:25:22 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:25:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 Message-ID: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Please welcome Mike Haberthur to this list. There has been more than sufficient support for his addition. Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Now that he has his feet back on the ground, his passion is for TRIUMPHS and the people that have raced them. He lives in Reno with his wife Dee. He hopes to join us at KCUP 2013 with his wife. He wants to spend some of his money, then, otherwise it will all go to his daughter's wedding, the end of September. Mark, please add Mike. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun Jan 20 17:14:42 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:14:42 +1000 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires Message-ID: we have front hubs from the T2000 saloon range on our race GT6. They have the big 4 x 4.5" bolt pattern. we also have T2000 matching rear on a Mk2 GT6. That was a custom bearing job to adapt the drive flange and stub axle into Mk2 GT6 housing (along with discs). I have a sets of these 4 sale if anyone is interested, but its post from Australia Terry From kaskas at cox.net Sun Jan 20 17:53:36 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:53:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com>, , , <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>, , , <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com>, , , , <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>, , , <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops. aol.com>, , <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: He sent me an Email asking for help in getting to the racing part of the world. I suggested he ask on the FOT for help in that as I have not experienced that in 50 years. It sounded to me as if he wanted to "go racing". Never be beaten by equipment > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:56:10 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! > > FOT: > > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Jan 20 18:08:33 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:08:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 In-Reply-To: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1F7E26BF-3BAD-4E10-9B31-C902C5EA4AA9@aol.com> Amici Glad you have been accepted to the FOT. Hopefully I will be able to get to the KCUP 2013 and meet you. Thank you for serving. Chris On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Please welcome Mike Haberthur to this list. > > There has been more than sufficient support for his addition. > > Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Now that he has his feet back on > the ground, his passion is for TRIUMPHS and the people that have raced them. > He lives in Reno with his wife Dee. > > He hopes to join us at KCUP 2013 with his wife. He wants to spend some of his > money, then, otherwise it will all go to his daughter's wedding, the end of > September. > > Mark, please add Mike. Thanks! > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 18:14:26 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:14:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 H6 vs HS6 carbs Message-ID: <1358730866.57873.YahooMailNeo@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have been running HS6 carbs since I got the car back on the track. They are fully sorted with time on the Dyno. With that said (I had a few posts on FOT about this over the last 6 months) I thought I had a carb problem with some weird loading up in left hand turns coming off a full fast throttle. I did a leak down and found it was a blown head gasket between cylinders (no over heading or lost water). While thinking I had a carb problem before figuring out the head issue I found a nice set of H6 carbs that I have been working on. Most of the NW FOT racers are using H6 carbs. Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks!!! Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 18:15:59 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:15:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 References: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <1F7E26BF-3BAD-4E10-9B31-C902C5EA4AA9@aol.com> Message-ID: Welcome Mike! Racer Bud.. Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Bock" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 > Amici > > Glad you have been accepted to the FOT. > > Hopefully I will be able to get to the KCUP 2013 and meet you. > > Thank you for serving. > > Chris > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Please welcome Mike Haberthur to this list. >> >> There has been more than sufficient support for his addition. >> >> Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Now that he has his feet back > on >> the ground, his passion is for TRIUMPHS and the people that have raced > them. >> He lives in Reno with his wife Dee. >> >> He hopes to join us at KCUP 2013 with his wife. He wants to spend some of > his >> money, then, otherwise it will all go to his daughter's wedding, the end >> of >> September. >> >> Mark, please add Mike. Thanks! >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 20 18:18:03 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:18:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front springs and shocks In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <7BD01AA6-74CA-4706-B478-2700ED0EF864@me.com> hi - my car came with to me with the Spax, but they were worn out. I replaced the front ones with the rebound-adjustable Carreras - alum body, got them from Ted. Seems to me he told me they are now marketed under a different name. They were as cheap as any other coil-over I could find, and I have been happy with them. I replaced the rear ones with a Spax set a few years ago, which are adjustable for stiffness. The car came with these crazy 700 lb front springs. On the advice of Steve Smith, I went to a softer rate, 550 lb by 8" Eibachs with a 1" front bar. Seems to work well for me. On Jan 18, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: Dad seems to be having some trouble posting to the list at the moment. Here's what he wanted to ask: "I am rebuilding the front shocks and springs on my #59 Red 68 GT6 What are you GT6 guys using?" Editor's Note: Dad's rebuilding the suspension on his GT6 racer, last revised in 2002. He's got in hand a set of Carrera shocks (adjustable ride-height fronts and regular rears) which are worn out and has investigated the replacement of just the shock component. It appears that's fairly expensive. He's also got a set of Spax shocks, again ride-height adjustable in front. But the Carrera springs may not work with the Spax spring seat. Anyway, he's looking for opinions on what's out there now for GT6s. Scott B. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 20 18:28:09 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <1FC9937A-D158-4505-A7DB-D3A9EADCE66A@me.com> I'm running the chromoly spindles sourced from Joe Siam, along with his alloy hubs. switched to the hubs when a bearing race started spinning in one of the stock ones. you can use Toyo R888, 205/60-13 tires if you want radials. They almost last too long - there's still plenty of tread left after several race weekends, but after a certain number of heat cycles (I need to count this) they lose some grip. Still drivable, but definitely not as good. A lot of the spridget people seem to run them too, though 185s, and I have seen a Yenko Corvair running 13" wheels with the same tire. There's not much else out there that fits - some very expensive Avons are all that I have found. On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:32 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even TR-3-4. Has anyone have to upgrade these? Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. Have seen it done through my TVR experience. Comments? John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Sun Jan 20 18:33:25 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:33:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front springs and shocks In-Reply-To: <7BD01AA6-74CA-4706-B478-2700ED0EF864@me.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <7BD01AA6-74CA-4706-B478-2700ED0EF864@me.com> Message-ID: <38766975-1956-480E-91D8-C4D7E7CB0DA1@charter.net> Ted is looking for a replacement for my old Carreras. One of the front shocks has a little dead spot of about .5"in both directions. I don't know much about shocks but the Carreras have screw in the bottom of the body that looks like a fill hole to me. I never saw any leakage on them and they worked very well so I am wondering if it is possible to change fluid and use them. The fluid is very dark or maybe burned. Any thoughts on that? On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > hi - my car came with to me with the Spax, but they were worn out. I replaced the front ones with the rebound-adjustable Carreras - alum body, got them from Ted. Seems to me he told me they are now marketed under a different name. They were as cheap as any other coil-over I could find, and I have been happy with them. I replaced the rear ones with a Spax set a few years ago, which are adjustable for stiffness. > The car came with these crazy 700 lb front springs. On the advice of Steve Smith, I went to a softer rate, 550 lb by 8" Eibachs with a 1" front bar. Seems to work well for me. > > On Jan 18, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > > Dad seems to be having some trouble posting to the list at the moment. Here's > what he wanted to ask: > > "I am rebuilding the front shocks and springs on my #59 Red 68 GT6 What are > you GT6 guys using?" > > Editor's Note: Dad's rebuilding the suspension on his GT6 racer, last revised > in 2002. He's got in hand a set of Carrera shocks (adjustable ride-height > fronts and regular rears) which are worn out and has investigated the > replacement of just the shock component. It appears that's fairly expensive. > He's also got a set of Spax shocks, again ride-height adjustable in front. > But the Carrera springs may not work with the Spax spring seat. > > Anyway, he's looking for opinions on what's out there now for GT6s. > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 19:40:44 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:40:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 H6 vs HS6 carbs In-Reply-To: <1358730866.57873.YahooMailNeo@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358730866.57873.YahooMailNeo@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2448C69A-72D0-47D7-B9B7-5E8F84FFCDC9@yahoo.com> I have had no problems with my HS6s in the turns once I switched to the MG style float bowls. Having floats oriented left to right is not a good design for road racing. Once I changed these out, I no longer have the sputtering and hesitation coming out of any turn. Having only run HS6s, I can't compare, but I do like the HS6s (until I can afford some Mikunis). Ty Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > I have been running HS6 carbs since I got the car back on the track. They are > fully sorted with time on the Dyno. With that said (I had a few posts on FOT > about this over the last 6 months) I thought I had a carb problem with some > weird loading up in left hand turns coming off a full fast throttle. I did a > leak down and found it was a blown head gasket between cylinders (no over > heading or lost water). While thinking I had a carb problem before figuring > out the head issue I found a nice set of H6 carbs that I have been working > on. Most of the NW FOT racers are using H6 carbs. > > Any thoughts would be > welcome. > > Thanks!!! > > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Sun Jan 20 20:08:30 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:08:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops. aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I say ya. Being one of the exceptions, I know I have learned from and enjoy this a lot. I hate to deny another the experience. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > He sent me an Email asking for help in getting to the racing part of the > world. I suggested he ask on the FOT for help in that as I have not > experienced that in 50 years. > It sounded to me as if he wanted to "go racing". > Never be beaten by equipment >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:56:10 -0500 >> Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! >> >> FOT: >> >> I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got >> a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown >> and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent >> books. >> >> I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have >> thought there was the potential for contribution. >> >> Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander >> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> >> Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was > putting >> myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our > country. >> How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other >> than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks >> anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a >> wonderful group supporting Triumphs. >> >> On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. >> >> i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on > the >> original 'charter'. >> >> we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. >> >> thanks for being interested...... >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> OK I know I'm pushing i... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From billb at bnj.com Sun Jan 20 20:34:38 2013 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:34:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <70F20F12-CD54-4CC8-95AD-ABAC28A5935C@bnj.com> Sure. He'll get there Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From triosan at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 21:37:53 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:37:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution Message-ID: spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking it all apart again and reassembling? From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 05:21:18 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:21:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <1358770878.24398.YahooMailNeo@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://www.resonatesolutions.ca/components/com_content/fitns.html Jay Creel From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 21 07:44:16 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:44:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 Message-ID: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> In a message dated 01/20/2013 5:25:33 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Welcome shipmate. I'm a long ago plank owner of the USS Springfield, CLG7 (one of the country's first guided missile cruises, but long since made into razor blades). Bill Dentinger From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 21 08:25:20 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:25:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 References: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> Message-ID: Man Bill, that's a lot of blades! What if you're an electric razor kind of guy? (Which I'm not) Thanks for your service. I was draft bait in late '69 and talked to a Navy rectuiter, but got a high number in the draft lottery later that year. Probably would have done me good to have joined, but.....................who knows. Stay warm, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 > In a message dated 01/20/2013 5:25:33 PM Central Standard Time, > n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > > >> Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. > > Welcome shipmate. I'm a long ago plank owner of the USS Springfield, CLG7 > (one of the country's first guided missile cruises, but long since made > into > razor blades). > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Jan 21 08:39:18 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:39:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50FD6126.1030401@charter.net> Chuck I have had the same problem many times even when using a dummy shaft. I did have some success on the last one by gently moving it into place with a screw driver. Did you use lots of sticky grease on the case side to keep it in place? Glenn On 1/20/2013 11:37 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I > tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging > down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that > little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer > has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot > at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking > it all apart again and reassembling? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jan 21 08:46:52 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:46:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution Message-ID: <86563.6cf45bda.3e2ebcec@aol.com> This'll sound silly but the trick is to set the case in the sun for a while and let the alloy expand for that extra bit of clearance. The 500 watt halogen shop light works very well too! In a message dated 1/21/2013 7:40:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, gaf3 at charter.net writes: Chuck I have had the same problem many times even when using a dummy shaft. I did have some success on the last one by gently moving it into place with a screw driver. Did you use lots of sticky grease on the case side to keep it in place? Glenn On 1/20/2013 11:37 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I > tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging > down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that > little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer > has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot > at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking > it all apart again and reassembling? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From jeff_durant at comcast.net Mon Jan 21 09:08:20 2013 From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:08:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361331279-1358784505-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427932625-@b18.c18.bise6.blackberry> Chuck, This is a fairly common problem when assembling the TR trans. Try flipping the transmission upside down. This will allow the laygear to rest on the mainshaft gears and hopefully take and load off of the thrust washers. Then carefully move the thrust washer into position. I use a small pick through one of the 2x 5/16" layshaft end plate mounting bolts to rotate and position the thrust washer. This has worked for me many times. Give me a call if you get stuck. Jeff D. TR6 #12 TR250 TR4A Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:37:53 To: Friends; Triumph<6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking it all apart again and reassembling? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff_durant at comcast.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jan 21 10:10:37 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires floow up on R888's In-Reply-To: <1FC9937A-D158-4505-A7DB-D3A9EADCE66A@me.com> Message-ID: <40225089.120920.1358788237361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Just FYI, The Toyo RA-1's are viewed as a better tire in the SCCA. In 2011 SCCA/SM went to the R888's as a spec tire but after a ton of negative feedback from the drivers the SCCA went back to the RA-1 for 2012. The RA-1 is an R compound and do in fact get faster as they wear. Spec Miata drivers typically have them shaved way down before they run em. I've used them and am a big fan of the RA-1 and I have no direct experience with the R888 other than other drivers feedback. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: jkhagen at charter.net Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:28:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires I'm running the chromoly spindles sourced from Joe Siam, along with his alloy hubs. B switched to the hubs when a bearing race started spinning in one of the stock ones. you can use Toyo R888, 205/60-13 tires if you want radials. B They almost last too long - there's still plenty of tread left after several race weekends, but after a certain number B of heat cycles (I need to count this) they lose some grip. B Still drivable, but definitely not as good. A lot of the spridget people seem to run them too, though 185s, and I have seen a Yenko Corvair running 13" wheels with the same tire. There's not much else out there that fits - some very expensive Avons are all that I have found. On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:32 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even B TR-3-4. B Has anyone have to upgrade these? B Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. B Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. B Have seen it done through my TVR experience. B Comments? B John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. B I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 21 11:57:22 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:57:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] "GATHERING ON THE GREEN" @ THE KASTNER CUP ROAD AMERICA Message-ID: <8CFC62046B3CD11-204C-1E8A5@webmail-d127.sysops.aol.com> FOT: We will be looking for a fine example of each TRIUMPH MODEL for showing at the GATHERING ON THE GREEN. The GATHERING ON THE GREEN is an invitational car show on late Saturday afternoon, prior to, and during the OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT. This occurs on the expansive lawn of the OSTHOF, our host hotel. We will be looking for both RACE CARS and STREET CARS for consideration. Be thinking about this as this is a very special event. Race cars will be escorted to and from the OSTHOF from the track. I did this a couple of years ago with the AMBRO. It was a hoot. Kas and Peg will be involved, of course. I believe that the cars that are selected, their owners will be eligible for two weekend passes from VSCDA. The FOT will be looking very good for this ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL weekend. More details will follow, but I wanted to give a 'heads up' now. PLAN! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From rikrock at live.com Mon Jan 21 13:06:42 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? Message-ID: I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? Thanks, Rich Rock From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jan 21 13:12:32 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:12:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130121201232.K9B70.24831.root@cdptpa-web38-z02.mail.rr.com> BPW has tri-metal bearings and aluminum bearings. Bob ---- Rich Rock wrote: > I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jan 21 13:16:14 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1559633391.129150.1358799374265.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> BFE has the Clevite 77 rod bearings. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Rock" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:06:42 PM Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? Thanks, Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 21 14:37:08 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:37:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: <1559633391.129150.1358799374265.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1559633391.129150.1358799374265.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <767383A2-7539-4857-900F-1D00C14D7F4E@gdhs.com> We have had no problems with mains from Moss. Use coated rod bearings for our Ford modular rods from Manley. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2013, at 3:16 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > BFE has the Clevite 77 rod bearings. > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rich Rock" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:06:42 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? > > I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mhado at att.net Mon Jan 21 15:10:04 2013 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:10:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution In-Reply-To: <1361331279-1358784505-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427932625-@b18.c18.bise6.blackberry> References: <1361331279-1358784505-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427932625-@b18.c18.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <006301cdf824$10dca860$3295f920$@att.net> Chuck, It looks like you have already had some good suggestions to get the washer back in position. To avoid the problem in the first place, I always first turn the EMPTY casing on end, bell housing down, then put the countershaft temporarily in place. It only has to come up through the hole on the bell housing end. I then put some Loctite on the steel side of the thrust washer and place it over the countershaft and down against the casing. A large socket can serve as a weight to hold the washer in place overnight until it is stuck to the casing. Later you can remove the countershaft and the washer will remain firmly in place (and perfectly centered) while you assemble the rest of the gearbox. This is only for the large thrust washer, of course, since the small one has to go in after the cluster is put in place. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jeff_durant at comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:08 AM To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; Friends; Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution Chuck, This is a fairly common problem when assembling the TR trans. Try flipping the transmission upside down. This will allow the laygear to rest on the mainshaft gears and hopefully take and load off of the thrust washers. Then carefully move the thrust washer into position. I use a small pick through one of the 2x 5/16" layshaft end plate mounting bolts to rotate and position the thrust washer. This has worked for me many times. Give me a call if you get stuck. Jeff D. TR6 #12 TR250 TR4A Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:37:53 To: Friends; Triumph<6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking it all apart again and reassembling? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff_durant at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mhado at att.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jan 21 16:54:54 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:54:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 In-Reply-To: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> References: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> Message-ID: <000801cdf832$b7f62eb0$27e28c10$@com> Boy Bill, for your sake I sure hope it was razor blades and not Pontiac Aztecs!! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:44 AM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 In a message dated 01/20/2013 5:25:33 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Welcome shipmate. I'm a long ago plank owner of the USS Springfield, CLG7 (one of the country's first guided missile cruises, but long since made into razor blades). Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 21 20:32:07 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:32:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do the tri-metal ones from BPNW and then have them ceramic coated. Tony Drews At 02:06 PM 1/21/2013, Rich Rock wrote: >I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? > >Thanks, > >Rich Rock >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 22 00:49:23 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:49:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Message delayed (mark@bradakis.com) Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:40 PM Subject: Message delayed (mark at bradakis.com) > Your message has been delayed and is still awaiting delivery > to the following recipient(s): > > mark at bradakis.com > (Was addressed to mark at bradakis.com) > Message delayed > 450 4.7.1 : Helo command rejected: Host not found > > > No recipients were successfully delivered to. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of ATT00046.dat] Received: from surfnetusa.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.0) with ESMTP id for (AUTH = gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:31 -0800 X-Modus-BlackList: 127.0.0.1=OK;gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 127.0.0.1=YES X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 2, 6 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com" To: mark at bradakis.com Subject: RE: Re: FoT request from Dave H. Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, Thanks for the response. every Email I have sent to you or FOT for about the last 3 months has been rejected as " server not found, " if I remember correctly. I had given up on getting any response. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : Mark J Bradakis[mailto:mark at bradakis.com] Sent : 1/20/2013 3:19:29 PM To : n197tr4 at cs.com Cc : dlhogye at comcast.net; gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Subject : RE: Re: FoT request from Dave H. If Greg is getting bounces back, they should say exactly what the problem is. But like I said, I have no record of his email address sending messages TO Team.Net. mjb. From igofaster at att.net Tue Jan 22 07:53:28 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 06:53:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Circuit of the Americas --COTA-- Message-ID: <1358866408.31163.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> looks like I'm one of the lucky 500 something plus that got registered for the SCCA event at the beautiful Circuit of the Americas F1 track in Austin Texas the second weekend in March...not sure how comfortable my little Triumph butt is going to feel with 85 cars in Group 7 ...wow.... the DLB site has the specifics and entrants list... this should be literally epic.... one of my best friends works NASCAR and has stated it's the nicest facility in the country.....Bobby Whitehead From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 22 10:23:41 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:23:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Sportscar 71.2 February 2013... Message-ID: <4dbd.1a2bd1cb.3e30251c@aol.com> Amici... SCCA's current issue of SPORTSCAR has items of potential interest. The obits for John Fitch, Lanky Foushee, and Bob Youngdahl on pages 64 and 65. Of course Fitch and Foushee are icons and need no highlight here, but many of us ought to have also known SCCA and vintage racer Bob Youngdahl. Bob usually raced a fast Elva Courier, but had a barn full of cars. While a Minnesota native, he also raced on the national scene, especially in Florida, where he had a winter home. His death was particularly sad because it was neither natural nor racing. He was killed unloading his race trailer (hit in the head by the ramp door). I have long been a believer that dealing with towing and trailers is every bit as dangerous as the racing (loading, unloading, changing tires roadside, etc.) we do. There is often a tendency for us to take short cuts or skip safe practice when dealing with tasks that we do over and over again. This especially true when we are alone. Be careful! Finally, glance at page 86 (last page) and the SCCA 'ROOTS' section. There is a black and white picture from the 1983 issue of SPORTSCAR showing what appears to be a very nice TR4A race car covered with snow. There's a racer standing along side in his driver's suit and balaclava...staring up at the sky. No identification info in the caption. Ironically the SCCA decal is displayed upside down on the car (probably something done on purpose in case of a roll over), but that seems to be what the SCCA was preoccupied with. At the time their caption was "It's not nice to fool with your SCCA sticker..." Anyone have any idea who that might be back in 1983? Seems like we ought to know him. The racer's name is listed on the door, but I can't make it out. Bill Dentinger From alfetta95 at optonline.net Tue Jan 22 10:59:03 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:59:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Message-ID: <6e14f1b9.f2afd.13c6369cc3e.Webtop.19@optonline.net> Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jan 22 11:31:07 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (dlhogye at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Message-ID: <236866273.188002.1358879467670.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I bought mine from them and so far it's not leaking. Quick, where is some wood? Dave H. TS46235L Engine TS31005E Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App -----Original Message----- From: Todd Redmond To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Sent: 2013-01-22 17:59:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From robonglen at yahoo.com Tue Jan 22 11:58:40 2013 From: robonglen at yahoo.com (robert greer) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:58:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire MK. 2 parts Message-ID: <1358881120.48718.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'm in the process of doing a frame-off of a 67' Spit Mk.2. Front suspension is nearly complete, but I need new brake calipers. Source? Also, I would like to add negative camber to the rear suspension. Shorter spring? Next come the rear axles; can't disassemble existing after sitting 20 years. Exchange service? This will be a street car as I have already raced 20 years $$$! Other than that, the car is 100% there with minimal rust inside boot valance. Bob Greer @ robonglen @ yahoo.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Jan 22 12:32:03 2013 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sportscar 71.2 February 2013... In-Reply-To: <4dbd.1a2bd1cb.3e30251c@aol.com> References: <4dbd.1a2bd1cb.3e30251c@aol.com> Message-ID: It's Fletcher Williams and the car is a TR250. Sam On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:27 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > SCCA's current issue of SPORTSCAR has items of potential interest. > > The obits for John Fitch, Lanky Foushee, and Bob Youngdahl on pages 64 and > 65. Of course Fitch and Foushee are icons and need no highlight here, but > many of us ought to have also known SCCA and vintage racer Bob Youngdahl. > Bob usually raced a fast Elva Courier, but had a barn full of cars. While a > Minnesota native, he also raced on the national scene, especially in Florida, > where he had a winter home. His death was particularly sad because it was > neither natural nor racing. He was killed unloading his race trailer (hit > in the head by the ramp door). I have long been a believer that dealing with > towing and trailers is every bit as dangerous as the racing (loading, > unloading, changing tires roadside, etc.) we do. There is often a tendency for > us to take short cuts or skip safe practice when dealing with tasks that we > do over and over again. This especially true when we are alone. Be > careful! > > Finally, glance at page 86 (last page) and the SCCA 'ROOTS' section. There > is a black and white picture from the 1983 issue of SPORTSCAR showing what > appears to be a very nice TR4A race car covered with snow. There's a racer > standing along side in his driver's suit and balaclava...staring up at the > sky. No identification info in the caption. Ironically the SCCA decal is > displayed upside down on the car (probably something done on purpose in case > of a roll over), but that seems to be what the SCCA was preoccupied with. At > the time their caption was "It's not nice to fool with your SCCA > sticker..." Anyone have any idea who that might be back in 1983? Seems like we > ought to know him. The racer's name is listed on the door, but I can't make it > out. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 22 13:13:13 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion In-Reply-To: <236866273.188002.1358879467670.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <986889586.168139.1358885593845.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Dave, yeah you should find some wood quick, teak preferrably. Knock four times, turn three times and spit. Then say there's no such thing as a leak free triumph. The last time I said " no leaks " was in Hastings, NE. It was leak free until ten minutes later when I rolled out to the grid and blew my oil cooler and didn't know it. I left a BIG trail for a 1/4 mile through the paddock from the front door of my RV right up to my grid position. Glad I have an accusump. The corner workers that cleaned the mess up still give me the birdB when I pass by or I hear, "hey how's the Exxon Valdeze running these days". jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: dlhogye at comcast.net To: FOT at autox.team.net, "Todd" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:31:07 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion I bought mine from them and so far it's not leaking. B Quick, where is some wood? Dave H. TS46235L Engine TS31005E Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App -----Original Message----- From: Todd Redmond To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Sent: 2013-01-22 17:59:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. B Has anyone used the BPNW part? B Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A B TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue Jan 22 15:11:40 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:11:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion In-Reply-To: <6e14f1b9.f2afd.13c6369cc3e.Webtop.19@optonline.net> Message-ID: As far as I know the rear oil seal conversion provided by BPNW consists of the same parts as provided by the others. These work well but you must have the scroll on the crankshaft ground down to the provided specification and polished for a lip type seal. I have been using the MARX seal setup on the last few engines I have built with great success! With this setup the crankshaft scroll remains and all that is needed is a quick polishing of the rear most surface where the MARX lip seal rides. ARE sells the kit and I believe TRF now handles this kit as well. The existing rear seal (aluminum halves) need to be machined to accept the MARX seal which is not a hard job to do and I built a jig for my mill which does a good job. ARE is also selling new build aluminum seal parts that are already machined. If you have not yet removed the scroll surface from the crankshaft I highly recommend this seal system as it provides the best of both worlds!!! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Todd Redmond Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:59 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 22 15:30:58 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:30:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC707478754B2-11CC-2C45C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Steve, Christian and I are now providing the SCROLL to Chris' specifications in new billet material. While re-manufacturing the old OEM SEALS works well, they consume a lot of time and we are trying phase them out. It got the project started, tho. Now that the volume is up, we are FINALLY arriving in the black after a couple of years of break even. Thanks to Kas, as well, for supporting this project, in his latest book, "KAS KASTNER'S TRIUMPHS. In fact he has an entire chapter on 'avoiding leaks in the wet sleeve engines'. Worth the price of the book, by itself. Thanks for the order, Todd. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott To: 'Todd Redmond' ; FOT Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion As far as I know the rear oil seal conversion provided by BPNW consists of the same parts as provided by the others. These work well but you must have the scroll on the crankshaft ground down to the provided specification and polished for a lip type seal. I have been using the MARX seal setup on the last few engines I have built with great success! With this setup the crankshaft scroll remains and all that is needed is a quick polishing of the rear most surface where the MARX lip seal rides. ARE sells the kit and I believe TRF now handles this kit as well. The existing rear seal (aluminum halves) need to be machined to accept the MARX seal which is not a hard job to do and I built a jig for my mill which does a good job. ARE is also selling new build aluminum seal parts that are already machined. If you have not yet removed the scroll surface from the crankshaft I highly recommend this seal system as it provides the best of both worlds!!! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Todd Redmond Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:59 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Jan 22 16:02:11 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:02:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire MK. 2 parts In-Reply-To: <1358881120.48718.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1358881120.48718.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC70BA4C83690-1234-2E2A5@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> Rob, Calipers are available from most Triumph Parts Suppliers, TRF is offering a rebuilding service for same. As for the rear spring you could have it de-arched a bit, there are spacers that go between the spring and diff ( keep the spring alone ) or could buy a modified spring from the same parts suppliers. As for the rear axles you could ask around if some one has the correct Factory Tool for separating the hub from the axle ( NOTE I would not recommend taking them to a machine shop or bearing shop to perform this task - in 20+ years no one I know has had success, Hubs were ruined ). This Hub Puller Tool is available for sale from a few of the Triumph Parts Suppliers. I have seen some ads from LBC repair shops offering their Rebuilding Service to recondition our Spits axles. I must ask is your car a real Mk2 or a '67 (Mk3) one easy way to tell : Front Bumper below the Grills or above the Front Marker Lights ? Recerch of the Vin Number is the correct way to tell for sure. I ask as there is a difference between the early Mk1 & Mk2 Calipers and the Mk3 & later Calipers. Best O Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: robert greer To: fot Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 2:04 pm Subject: [Fot] Spitfire MK. 2 parts I'm in the process of doing a frame-off of a 67' Spit Mk.2. Front suspension s nearly complete, but I need new brake calipers. Source? Also, I would like o add negative camber to the rear suspension. Shorter spring? Next come the ear axles; can't disassemble existing after sitting 20 years. Exchange ervice? This will be a street car as I have already raced 20 years $$$! ther than that, the car is 100% there with minimal rust inside boot valance. ob Greer @ robonglen @ yahoo.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jan 22 17:38:35 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 Greetings FoT, I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to head clearance assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jan 22 18:46:16 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:46:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Message delayed (mark@bradakis.com) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50FF40E8.9090805@bradakis.com> Greg Solow wrote: >> Your message has been delayed and is still awaiting delivery >> to the following recipient(s): >> >> mark at bradakis.com >> (Was addressed to mark at bradakis.com) >> Message delayed >> 450 4.7.1 : Helo command rejected: Host not found >> Looks like someone at surfnet fixed it, your mail is no longer coming from a computer with bogus address information. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jan 22 19:32:53 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:32:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Impression in the carbon is just right. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > > With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow > 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had > impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Jim Gray" > To: "'FoT Triumph'" > Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 > > Greetings FoT, > > I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to > head clearance > > assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. > > I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 > > Thanks as always, > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 21 10:29:44 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:29:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires floow up on R888's In-Reply-To: <40225089.120920.1358788237361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1FC9937A-D158-4505-A7DB-D3A9EADCE66A@me.com> <40225089.120920.1358788237361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81CA3A@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Hmmm. I have used the RA-1s on the Spitfire in the past, but understood that they were no longer available and that the R888s were the replacement. Maybe the vendor I talked to only had the R888s to sell? I found both the RA-1s and the R888s to be better than the Yokohama A048s, though. And I like all of those better than the Hoosiers. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:11 AM To: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires floow up on R888's Just FYI, The Toyo RA-1's are viewed as a better tire in the SCCA. In 2011 SCCA/SM went to the R888's as a spec tire but after a ton of negative feedback from the drivers the SCCA went back to the RA-1 for 2012. The RA-1 is an R compound and do in fact get faster as they wear. Spec Miata drivers typically have them shaved way down before they run em. I've used them and am a big fan of the RA-1 and I have no direct experience with the R888 other than other drivers feedback. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: jkhagen at charter.net Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:28:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires I'm running the chromoly spindles sourced from Joe Siam, along with his alloy hubs. B switched to the hubs when a bearing race started spinning in one of the stock ones. you can use Toyo R888, 205/60-13 tires if you want radials. B They almost last too long - there's still plenty of tread left after several race weekends, but after a certain number B of heat cycles (I need to count this) they lose some grip. B Still drivable, but definitely not as good. A lot of the spridget people seem to run them too, though 185s, and I have seen a Yenko Corvair running 13" wheels with the same tire. There's not much else out there that fits - some very expensive Avons are all that I have found. On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:32 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even B TR-3-4. B Has anyone have to upgrade these? B Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. B Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. B Have seen it done through my TVR experience. B Comments? B John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street > T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. B I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jan 23 01:37:18 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:37:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Message-ID: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 23 05:11:16 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:11:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Email communication test In-Reply-To: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> References: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <8CFC779E0EB6E91-D20-2E40F@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com> yup Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Solow To: Friends of Triumph ; Mark J Bradakis Cc: davehogye ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 2:37 am Subject: Email communication test This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 06:17:00 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:17:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Email communication test In-Reply-To: <8CFC779E0EB6E91-D20-2E40F@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com> References: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> <8CFC779E0EB6E91-D20-2E40F@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Nice to hear from you, Greg ! On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > yup > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Friends of Triumph ; Mark J Bradakis > > Cc: davehogye ; Joe Alexander > Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 2:37 am > Subject: Email communication test > > > This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was > sent at > 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot > and to Mark. I hope it gets through! > Greg Solow > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From donmarshall at nefcom.net Wed Jan 23 06:25:24 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:25:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Message-ID: Who else is coming to the VDCA event at Road Atlanta next month? Don From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Jan 23 05:52:07 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:52:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi all We run 8 thou with a steel crank , carillo rods. Flat top Venoila pistons and a very modified head on my TR4. As a consequence the engine 'drinks' a little and now and again when fresh and a tiny water seepage can be seen on the middle head studs where there is a bit more pressure, but its a small price to pay. This beds in after a while via gunge movement but teaches you to monitor the levels in the header tanks in the meantime. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jan 2013, at 02:32, Kas Kastner wrote: > Impression in the carbon is just right. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: jaboruch at netzero.net >> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 >> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height >> >> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus > allow >> 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had >> impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Jim Gray" >> To: "'FoT Triumph'" >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height >> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 >> >> Greetings FoT, >> >> I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston > to >> head clearance >> >> assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. >> >> I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 >> >> Thanks as always, >> >> jim g >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Woman is 53 But Looks 25 >> Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tarch at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 23 06:42:30 2013 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:42:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06dd01cdf96f$7dd74b40$7985e1c0$@net> Trusty 'ole TR-4 #196 has signed up for VDCA Road Atlanta. We expect to be blazingly fast! Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:25 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Who else is coming to the VDCA event at Road Atlanta next month? Don _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 23 07:58:24 2013 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:58:24 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: <30791491.1358953104995.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> If any of you are fairly new at this, be warned... With my modified stock crank, Carillo rods, forged Wiseco pistons, and steel-shim head gasket, my piston "kissed" the head at high RPM and I spun a bearing. This happened at the end of a loooooong straight at Auto Club Speedway. There went $1,000 and a bunch of hours. I was trying to achieve close to zero deck height. On the bench, the pistons came up to .003 from the top of the sleeve (this is considered the deck, not the top of the block) Now I'm running one of Mordy's .032 head gaskets for a little more Piston to Head clearance. In one of the older posts, Greg Solow recommends at least .026 total P to H clearance because the stock crank will stretch a little at high rpm and the piston will reach up higher than it does on the engine stand in the garage. ~STEVE -----Original Message----- >From: TR4 Tony >Sent: Jan 23, 2013 4:52 AM >To: Kas Kastner >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > >Hi all > >We run 8 thou with a steel crank , carillo rods. Flat top Venoila pistons and >a very modified head on my TR4. > >As a consequence the engine 'drinks' a little and now and again when fresh and >a tiny water seepage can be seen on the middle head studs where there is a bit >more pressure, but its a small price to pay. This beds in after a while via >gunge movement but teaches you to monitor the levels in the header tanks in >the meantime. > >Regards > >Tony > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 23 Jan 2013, at 02:32, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Impression in the carbon is just right. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >>> From: jaboruch at netzero.net >>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 >>> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> CC: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> >>> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus >> allow >>> 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had >>> impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>> From: "Jim Gray" >>> To: "'FoT Triumph'" >>> Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 >>> >>> Greetings FoT, >>> >>> I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston >> to >>> head clearance >>> >>> assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. >>> >>> I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 >>> >>> Thanks as always, >>> >>> jim g >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Woman is 53 But Looks 25 >>> Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 23 08:24:03 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:24:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Message-ID: Yeah, great to have you back. I have often thought you deserve a nice shiny red apple on your engine desk, after some of your thoughtful well explained posts. Glad u r here again Greg! A real FoT asset. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Greg Solow Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph To: Mark J Bradakis ReplyTo: Greg Solow Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Sent: Jan 23, 2013 2:37 AM This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 23 08:38:01 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:38:01 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <30791491.1358953104995.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30791491.1358953104995.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000901cdf97f$a2174810$e645d830$@com> Man, you are very brave people in USA. I run a total of 0.0511" just in case of a bearing problem. Surviving of the engine in case of something bad is more important to me than 2 HP more caused by more squish. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von steve Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2013 15:58 An: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height If any of you are fairly new at this, be warned... With my modified stock crank, Carillo rods, forged Wiseco pistons, and steel-shim head gasket, my piston "kissed" the head at high RPM and I spun a bearing. This happened at the end of a loooooong straight at Auto Club Speedway. There went $1,000 and a bunch of hours. I was trying to achieve close to zero deck height. On the bench, the pistons came up to .003 from the top of the sleeve (this is considered the deck, not the top of the block) Now I'm running one of Mordy's .032 head gaskets for a little more Piston to Head clearance. In one of the older posts, Greg Solow recommends at least .026 total P to H clearance because the stock crank will stretch a little at high rpm and the piston will reach up higher than it does on the engine stand in the garage. ~STEVE -----Original Message----- >From: TR4 Tony >Sent: Jan 23, 2013 4:52 AM >To: Kas Kastner >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > >Hi all > >We run 8 thou with a steel crank , carillo rods. Flat top Venoila >pistons and a very modified head on my TR4. > >As a consequence the engine 'drinks' a little and now and again when >fresh and a tiny water seepage can be seen on the middle head studs >where there is a bit more pressure, but its a small price to pay. This >beds in after a while via gunge movement but teaches you to monitor the >levels in the header tanks in the meantime. > >Regards > >Tony > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 23 Jan 2013, at 02:32, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Impression in the carbon is just right. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >>> From: jaboruch at netzero.net >>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 >>> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> CC: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> >>> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, >>> plus >> allow >>> 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but >>> had impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>> From: "Jim Gray" >>> To: "'FoT Triumph'" >>> Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 >>> >>> Greetings FoT, >>> >>> I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or >>> piston >> to >>> head clearance >>> >>> assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. >>> >>> I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 >>> >>> Thanks as always, >>> >>> jim g >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Woman is 53 But Looks 25 >>> Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 23 08:54:12 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Email communication test In-Reply-To: <20130123153439.B678E427E5@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1132356072.229466.1358956452852.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hip Hip Hurray ! Yes, a whole bushel basket ...and a couple dozen eggs. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: jason at multivintage.com To: "Greg Solow" , "Friends of Triumph" , "Mark J Bradakis" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:24:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Email communication test Yeah, great to have you back. I have often thought you deserve a nice shiny red apple on your engine desk, after some of your thoughtful well explained posts. Glad u r here again Greg! A real FoT asset. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Greg Solow Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph To: Mark J Bradakis ReplyTo: Greg Solow Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Sent: Jan 23, 2013 2:37 AM This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 09:55:51 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:55:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <1358960151.48886.YahooMailNeo@web162501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A good rule of thumb is .005 for every 1000 rpm. ________________________________ From: Joe Boruch To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 Greetings FoT, I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to head clearance assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 23 12:30:01 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:30:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <682F9B667C31455FB36E1E651D02639B@gdhs.local> I'll be there along with your case of Brad Penn John H. 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Don _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 23 14:37:51 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:37:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Not that it is on subject; but we ran 1mm in my 250cc two stroke GP Yamaha motors. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2013, at 7:52 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. Ask the sender to send it again using a different format or email program. text/plain From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 03:12:44 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:12:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <1359108764.29231.YahooMailNeo@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://health-trainers.org/wp-content/plugins/bdysm.html Jay Creel From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 15:27:35 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:27:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 26 15:39:43 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:39:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51045B2F.5050000@bradakis.com> I seem to recall reading about a 192x Triumph driven across Australia, covering a few thousand miles. Not sure if it was in a competition of any sort, but still an impressive feat given the time and place. mjb. From tr6driver at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 15:41:10 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:41:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I drove for about 1/4 of that time. Jamie Palmer On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few > different TR models. > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours > of LeMans. (early years) > > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on > our own FoT website) > > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and > I need an interesting FoT topic. > > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 15:50:37 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:50:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sweet, we have our first entry for the "totally official record holder"... so you did a full 24 hours plus. that will be tough to beat on time. We'll need to have some indication of distance traveled based on # of laps/miles for proper classification. On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jamie wrote: > Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th > place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I > drove for about 1/4 of that time. > > Jamie Palmer > > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. > > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing > grounds > > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a > few > > different TR models. > > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours > > of LeMans. (early years) > > > > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the > > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? > > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did > well > > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 > for > > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on > > our own FoT website) > > > > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago > and > > I need an interesting FoT topic. > > > > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > > > > Jason Ostrowski > > Friendly Ghost Racing > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 26 15:55:44 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:55:44 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901cdfc18$48c33620$da49a260$@com> Hi, My longest race was 3H and 2 minutes as single driver on my Triumph TR4. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Januar 2013 23:28 An: triumph friends Betreff: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Jan 26 15:57:05 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: Great winter topic, Jason! The 04 TR4 was not a good long distance racer, the all out sprint race engine did not like the 1 hour enduros I ran. But I am not sure what got tired out first, the car or the driver! I never was too successful in getting my head into the endurance race mode, I tried to get into a rhythm of slow and smooth with interesting results. I usually turned my best lap time of the weekend. The current build of the 04 car with stock crank, rods and a set of Hepolites with a close ratio overdrive gearbox might make a better endurance car. Hopefully someone will buy it and find out! Jason Ostrowski wrote: >The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds >for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few >different TR models. >I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours >of LeMans. (early years) > >Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >(Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well >in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for >over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on >our own FoT website) > >This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and >I need an interesting FoT topic. > >Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 26 16:03:35 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:03:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PIlVmBDsRZM#! From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 16:04:56 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:04:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. TeriAnn From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 16:19:58 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:19:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes TeriAnn, I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of hours. For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over 3 hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did The > Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > > TeriAnn > > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 26 16:22:47 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:22:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Yes TeriAnn, I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of hours. For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over 3 hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > > TeriAnn > > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > multivintage.com vintage.com> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 16:31:59 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:31:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR's In-Reply-To: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> References: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> Message-ID: I could make so many comments. But for once will remain speachless. Jason. On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:03 PM, MadMarx wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PIlVmBDsRZM#! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Jan 26 16:35:27 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:35:27 GMT Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? Ted can chime in with more details. I raced in that race 5 years ago, but it was in a Miata. Ted was there as a race marshall and was giving our team some tips. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:27:35 -0600 The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 16:45:29 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:45:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> References: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson Ledges > and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? > Ted can chime in... > Yes, This is a hot topic. I got a message from Ted already... FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. From tr6driver at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 18:01:48 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2252B9B1-1299-4B53-A8EE-EF169448B6BB@yahoo.com> I'll look it up and post... :-) Jamie Palmer On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Sweet, we have our first entry for the "totally official record holder"... > so you did a full 24 hours plus. that will be tough to beat on time. > We'll need to have some indication of distance traveled based on # of laps/miles for proper classification. > > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jamie wrote: >> Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I drove for about 1/4 of that time. >> >> Jamie Palmer >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> >> > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >> > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds >> > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few >> > different TR models. >> > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours >> > of LeMans. (early years) >> > >> > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >> > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >> > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well >> > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for >> > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on >> > our own FoT website) >> > >> > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and >> > I need an interesting FoT topic. >> > >> > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? >> > >> > Jason Ostrowski >> > Friendly Ghost Racing >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 18:19:11 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:19:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> Message-ID: <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jan 26 19:17:28 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> Message-ID: <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 19:43:18 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:43:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 which got us back to Oakland, Ca. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jan 26 20:03:26 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:03:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> Message-ID: <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> YES! The basis for a Great American Novel! In '62 I slept along side my TD, not realizing I was between the highway and the Union Pacific Railroad tracks, east of Denver. Sleep did not come easily after that westbound train came through about 2:00am. Speaking of costs....I was 300 miles from Road America and in 1966 it cost me about $20 one weekend. $6.00 for gas, .50 a night in the campground across from the track, .50 for a program, the gate entry, a little food, and some beer. The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 which got us back to Oakland, Ca. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat Jan 26 20:11:10 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 03:11:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com>, <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com>, <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud>, <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. Never be beaten by equipment > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > Yes TeriAnn, > > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > > hours. > > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > > 3 > > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > > 5:04 > > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > > > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > >> > >> TeriAnn > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: > >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > >> multivintage.com >> vintage.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 20:18:20 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 03:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <1087557731.378088.1359256700861.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Ted's Longest Day race results are going to be tough to beat in terms of 24 hour TR stats. I remember those races and attended a few for the full 24 hours way back in the early 80s. I have some pix of Ted and the TR8 coming down the main straight at Nelson's for the green flag at the start of an SCCA race, it's probably 1983. I copied the photos to Ted not too long ago. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: jason at multivintage.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:35:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? Ted can chime in with more details. I raced in that race 5 years ago, but it was in a Miata. Ted was there as a race marshall and was giving our team some tips. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:27:35 -0600 The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 20:30:36 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:30:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] My longest drive in a TR Message-ID: <1359257436.59681.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Friends, My longest drive took place in November 1959. I had taken a vacation to visit a Porsche owner I had befriended when his Speedster blew a timing gear near my Dad's farm. We stored it there until he could return to tow it back to the Air Force base at Alamagodo, NM, where he was stationed as a musician. The day before I was planning to return home, I twisted off an axle in the diff at a stop sign. We located a new part and installed it on a sand lot near the offbase home he rented. Since I was already one day late returning to work, I drove my '56 TR 3 straight through back home, covering 1125 miles in 22 hours. No-doz wasn't having much effect on me by the time I arrived home. I had run my first Sports Car race in that car the previous September. Maybe why I broke an axle some time later. Ken Suhre From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 21:09:14 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:09:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive Message-ID: During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to drive my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be determined beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage space. We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach where we were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of oil at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the 2300 miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's engine..great little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new TR4 he acquired shortly after our return. Gary From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jan 26 21:20:15 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:20:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the original question was about race hours rather than road trips...But if you are going to talk road trips... Albany, NY to Dallas Tx for the 1989 VTR meet. Nonstop in the TR6. top down. Race in Dallas (win), pick up buddy at airport, drive to Minneapolis/St. Paul over 1.5 days (top down), spend 2 days in MSP, then non stop MSP->ALB some of it in the rain. Total somewhere in the neighborhood of 3400 miles in about 8 days. Was an epic road trip that can only be pulled off in college. ;) Plenty of other great road trips in that car... All with a race destination. My favourite is still autox on the streets of Waterloo, Iowa. Bob On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Vintage Racer wrote: > During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to > drive > my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due > south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of > California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be > determined > beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our > clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage > space. > We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second > day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were > surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach > where we > were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the > area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of > oil > at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the > 2300 > miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's > engine..great > little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new > TR4 he > acquired shortly after our return. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 21:25:38 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:25:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive References: Message-ID: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> What a Terrific bunch of Adventurous folks we were and still are..FOT ROCKS!! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Racer" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive > During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to > drive > my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is > due > south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of > California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be > determined > beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our > clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage > space. > We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second > day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we > were > surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach > where we > were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around > the > area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of > oil > at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the > 2300 > miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's > engine..great > little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new > TR4 he > acquired shortly after our return. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jan 26 21:28:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:28:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFCA5DEEA4886A-1FD4-20BF7@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> AH YES, BOB! The WATERLOO AUTOCROSS.....been there, done that. Somebody finally took out a street light and it ceased. -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Vintage Racer Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jan 26, 2013 10:23 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive I think the original question was about race hours rather than road trips...But if you are going to talk road trips... Albany, NY to Dallas Tx for the 1989 VTR meet. Nonstop in the TR6. top down. Race in Dallas (win), pick up buddy at airport, drive to Minneapolis/St. Paul over 1.5 days (top down), spend 2 days in MSP, then non stop MSP->ALB some of it in the rain. Total somewhere in the neighborhood of 3400 miles in about 8 days. Was an epic road trip that can only be pulled off in college. ;) Plenty of other great road trips in that car... All with a race destination. My favourite is still autox on the streets of Waterloo, Iowa. Bob On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Vintage Racer wrote: > During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to > drive > my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due > south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of > California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be > determined > beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our > clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage > space. > We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second > day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were > surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach > where we > were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the > area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of > oil > at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the > 2300 > miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's > engine..great > little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new > TR4 he > acquired shortly after our return. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Jan 26 21:31:52 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:31:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My longest drive in a TR In-Reply-To: <1359257436.59681.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359257436.59681.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My longest drive was at age 17 in my first car, a 68 GT6+ I had hobbled together in the side yard the summer before. 2800kms round trip to visit my brother in La Baie Quebec Bloody miracle. That car was such a rot bucket the guy handed me a shop manual and we sealed the deal for one dollar! A lot of pop rivets and fibreglass and the finishing touch... my mother suggested I paint it with her filter queen (I had no money :) so on a hot sunny day I sprayed my first car. All I will say is it was blue LOL. I sure learned a lot that year, trial by fire... Great fun From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jan 26 22:03:37 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:03:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR's In-Reply-To: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> References: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> Message-ID: <8CFCA62CCF87524-1E60-23562@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> So '60s Wonder where they all are now? Bob T -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'triumph friends' Sent: Sat, Jan 26, 2013 6:03 pm Subject: [Fot] TR's http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PIlVmBDsRZM#! ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Jan 26 22:03:28 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:03:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> Message-ID: <58823772-1605-4DC0-9A04-67DC839E0A02@consolidated.net> Great story. Thanks Kg Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 8:43 PM, "RACER BUD" wrote: > The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she > learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car > with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how > God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked > when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf > Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside > rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on > the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was > a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 > which got us back to Oakland, Ca. > RB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Alexander > To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > > > > > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > >> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Yes TeriAnn, >> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >> hours. >> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >> 3 >> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >> 5:04 >> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: >>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>> multivintage.com>> vintage.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 26 22:12:18 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:12:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> References: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> Message-ID: <5104B732.6090604@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > What a Terrific bunch of Adventurous folks we were and still are..FOT > ROCKS!! Indeed. My contribution will be about the summer of 1984. A '69 TR6 was my one and only means of transport. Managed to pack all I needed in it to drive from Salt Lake to Milpitas, California. I was staying there for the summer with a friend while I did an internship at the San Jose IBM labs. I had no qualms about the car, it did just fine. There, the daily commutes and back home again months later. My favorite part was when Deb flew out to see me and we drove it to Yosemite for some climbing. Every night I would put all the food in the trunk and back it under this leaning tree to keep the bears from popping it open. Maybe at this year's Kastner cup I'll tell the bear story. mjb. From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Jan 26 22:13:55 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:13:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: <8CFCA5DEEA4886A-1FD4-20BF7@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFCA5DEEA4886A-1FD4-20BF7@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <37BC92C4-1842-4404-B94F-2B99C6748660@consolidated.net> Longest TR3 trip was 4985 miles in 15 days in 2005, but them most memorable had to be Watkins Glen, the first time in 1970 without a top and the last time with youse guys a couple of years ago. ;-) Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > AH YES, BOB! The WATERLOO AUTOCROSS.....been there, done that. Somebody > finally took out a street light and it ceased. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert bownes > To: Vintage Racer > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sat, Jan 26, 2013 10:23 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive > > > I think the original question was about race hours rather than road > trips...But if you are going to talk road trips... > > Albany, NY to Dallas Tx for the 1989 VTR meet. Nonstop in the TR6. top > down. Race in Dallas (win), pick up buddy at airport, drive to > Minneapolis/St. Paul over 1.5 days (top down), spend 2 days in MSP, then > non stop MSP->ALB some of it in the rain. Total somewhere in the > neighborhood of 3400 miles in about 8 days. Was an epic road trip that can > only be pulled off in college. ;) > > > Plenty of other great road trips in that car... All with a race > destination. My favourite is still autox on the streets of Waterloo, Iowa. > > Bob > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Vintage Racer > wrote: > >> During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to >> drive >> my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due >> south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of >> California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be >> determined >> beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our >> clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage >> space. >> We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second >> day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were >> surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach >> where we >> were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the >> area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of >> oil >> at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the >> 2300 >> miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's >> engine..great >> little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new >> TR4 he >> acquired shortly after our return. >> >> Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From kaskas at cox.net Sat Jan 26 22:20:19 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:20:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com>, <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com>, <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud>, <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: Never be beaten by equipment In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. Never be beaten by equipment > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > Yes TeriAnn, > > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > > hours. > > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > > 3 > > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > > 5:04 > > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > > > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > >> > >> TeriAnn > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: > >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > >> multivintage.com >> vintage.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 22:46:37 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:46:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive Message-ID: <5104BF3D.30000@comcast.net> I talked my wife to be (and still wife, Patty) into buying a Spitfire in 1972. We drove it from Portland to Lodi, CA to attend a friends wedding. What I remember most about the trip was filling the Spit with Coors beer which was not available in Oregon in those days (Smokey and the bandit part 0.01) . I think we got three or four cases into various parts of the car - a six pack at a time. From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jan 27 04:03:49 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:03:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DD97FF3-AA17-4C91-99DB-EB0A064D7B45@virgin.net> I regularly used to drive my TR4a from London up to the Isle of Skye where my mum still lives, about 850 miles, 4 fuel stops and my best was just under 10 hours (including stops !) .... On the pic roads and timed to be late at night and through till breakfast to miss the traffic. Not quite racing but on the public roads and as quick as the lovely little soul would go. Top speed on the Tom Tom was on the a9 over the top of Drummacloch in the highlands about 4am as i recall where the reading was 125mph, windows up, hardtop on and flat to the floor. Su's and wire wheels as I remember too. Happy days ! Sent from my iPhone On 27 Jan 2013, at 05:20, Kas Kastner wrote: > Never be beaten by equipment > > > > > > In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of > Sebring, and first in class. > > In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring > and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike > Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, > another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third > in class at the same year. > > Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars > racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. > > I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. > > Never be beaten by equipment > >> To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", >> or the basis for a great book. >> >> I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army >> footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire >> time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MadMarx" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> >>> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >>> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >>> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >>> >>> Yes TeriAnn, >>> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >>> hours. >>> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >>> 3 >>> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >>> 5:04 >>> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >>> >>>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>>> >>>> TeriAnn >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: >>>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>>> multivintage.com>>> vintage.com> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jan 27 05:25:03 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I can't remember who started this thread but KUDOs. Really nice reading all these great stories! Vince Sent from my iPhone On 2013-01-26, at 10:06 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > YES! The basis for a Great American Novel! > > In '62 I slept along side my TD, not realizing I was between the highway and > the Union Pacific Railroad tracks, east of Denver. Sleep did not come easily > after that westbound train came through about 2:00am. > > Speaking of costs....I was 300 miles from Road America and in 1966 it cost me > about $20 one weekend. $6.00 for gas, .50 a night in the campground across > from the track, .50 for a program, the gate entry, a little food, and some > beer. > > > > > > > > The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she > learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car > with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how > God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked > when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf > Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside > rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on > the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was > a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 > which got us back to Oakland, Ca. > RB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joe Alexander > > To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > > > > > > > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > >> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Yes TeriAnn, >> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >> hours. >> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >> 3 >> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >> 5:04 >> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: >>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>> multivintage.com>> vintage.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 07:10:11 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:10:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <51053543.1040204@gmail.com> When you own a Land Rover Factory camper (1960 Dormobile) it is what you use on the long cross country trips and those epic drives. But my TR3 has been on 3 approx. 1000 mile each way trips with only one mishap, an alternator going out. But there was a time when the Land Rover's gearbox was out being replaced when the TR had to fill in. With the passenger seat out, the Triumph could hold a big 120 lb bale of alfalfa and a couple 75 lb sacks of grain. To feed the livestock it took 7 round trips a week to the feed store & back. So a 3 can fill in as a farm truck as long as you don't have to haul manure. I've done as much of route 66 as I can find Flagstaff on West. I keep thinking I should finish the trip and take 66 East to the end. Not as many long trip miles as many of you have put on them but I'm not done yet. TeriAnn 1960 Land Rover Dormobile 1961 Triumph TR3A Never felt need for a third car From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jan 27 08:05:59 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <51053543.1040204@gmail.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <51053543.1040204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51054257.6080204@cfl.rr.com> Bought my very first TR3 in Yuma Arizona in 1969. The used autoparts yard had two of them both white. One with a blue leather interior and one with a red leather interior. They were sitting out front so had not yet reached the stage of crushing. $950 and the blue interior was mine. So, fast forward a couple of months. While sitting in the dorm at Thanksgiving time a buddy suggested we jump in the car and drive to his hometown, Chicago. I thought, sure why not and not realizing or caring it was about 1500 miles one way. It was very cold driving through the mid west that time of year. The generator gave out with about 200 miles to go. Loosened the belt enough to continue driving the water pump and made it to Chicago. Finding a generator in Chicago was a challenge in those days but finally did find one. The return trip had another problem surface. About the time we reached New Mexico the clutch release hydraulics was giving up. Had to bleed the slave cylinder at every fuel stop. It was a sign of the times because every stop at a gas station the owner was more than glad to let us put the car on the rack to bleed the system. Try to find one of those today. But we made it back. Round trip was about 3K miles all on route 66 and in 2 1/2 days driving time. The next story for another time is my trip from Yuma to Dover Delaware and the oil pressure only reaching 10lbs at 65mph for most of the trip. Bob On 1/27/13 9:10 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > When you own a Land Rover Factory camper (1960 Dormobile) it is what > you use on the long cross country trips and those epic drives. But my > TR3 has been on 3 approx. 1000 mile each way trips with only one > mishap, an alternator going out. > > But there was a time when the Land Rover's gearbox was out being > replaced when the TR had to fill in. With the passenger seat out, the > Triumph could hold a big 120 lb bale of alfalfa and a couple 75 lb > sacks of grain. To feed the livestock it took 7 round trips a week to > the feed store & back. So a 3 can fill in as a farm truck as long as > you don't have to haul manure. > > I've done as much of route 66 as I can find Flagstaff on West. I keep > thinking I should finish the trip and take 66 East to the end. > > Not as many long trip miles as many of you have put on them but I'm > not done yet. > > TeriAnn > 1960 Land Rover Dormobile > 1961 Triumph TR3A > Never felt need for a third car > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 27 08:24:47 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:24:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <139640D323A24486A164CF8590E8F4F4@UserTHINK> I agree, these stories have been great reading on a cold weekend in Ohio. Several of the Western Pa Triumph Association members have taken a weeks trip each year going or returning from the yearly FOT events. This year will be an extended drive through MI and WI on our way to the ELVF 2013. A few of the trips have been close to 3000 miles during that week. Fun times with FOT friends. Even though we are not racers we enjoy the welcome that we get when we meet up with FOT at these events. Thanks for having us, we appreciate the fellowship. JVV From tr6driver at yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 08:40:53 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:40:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <2252B9B1-1299-4B53-A8EE-EF169448B6BB@yahoo.com> References: <2252B9B1-1299-4B53-A8EE-EF169448B6BB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1359301253.85450.YahooMailNeo@web121606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ok, looked up the results on MyLaps. We covered 1597.5 miles in that 25/25/25. Considering that included 41 minutes off track for a RR halfshaft/trailing arm/brake replacement and an separate steering rack replacement, as well as some reduced lap speeds for downpours and some broken wheel studs (and one broken wheel), that wasn't too bad for a TR6 crap-can racer! Jamie Palmer >________________________________ >From: Jamie >To: Jason Ostrowski >Cc: triumph friends >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:01 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > >I'll look it up and post... :-) > >Jamie Palmer > > >On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > >> Sweet, we have our first entry for the "totally official record holder"... >> so you did a full 24 hours plus. that will be tough to beat on time. >> We'll need to have some indication of distance traveled based on # of >laps/miles for proper classification. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jamie wrote: >>> Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th >place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I >drove for about 1/4 of that time. >>> >>> Jamie Palmer >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski >wrote: >>> >>> > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >>> > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing >grounds >>> > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a >few >>> > different TR models. >>> > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 >hours >>> > of LeMans. (early years) >>> > >>> > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >>> > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >>> > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did >well >>> > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 >for >>> > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group >on >>> > our own FoT website) >>> > >>> > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago >and >>> > I need an interesting FoT topic. >>> > >>> > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? >>> > >>> > Jason Ostrowski >>> > Friendly Ghost Racing >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com/ > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 27 08:55:19 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:55:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR now a word about WPTA In-Reply-To: <8CFCABAAF5C3D3A-10FC-272CA@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com><6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud><8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com><7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud><8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <8CFCABAAF5C3D3A-10FC-272CA@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFCABDD7793C97-10FC-27457@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA TRIUMPH ASSOCIATION: Some of the WPTA do have race history. They have also erected a hospitality tent and served as FOT hosts at the track. They are eschewing their traditional WATKINS GLEN TOUR to be with the FOT at the KCUP. Powerful Stuff. Furthermore, Marty Sukey has enlisted their help in the distribution of the event shirts. It takes a paddock full of FOT to support KASTNER CUP. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Vince G ; Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR I agree, these stories have been great reading on a cold weekend in Ohio. Several of the Western Pa Triumph Association members have taken a weeks trip each year going or returning from the yearly FOT events. This year will be an extended drive through MI and WI on our way to the ELVF 2013. A few of the trips have been close to 3000 miles during that week. Fun times with FOT friends. Even though we are not racers we enjoy the welcome that we get when we meet up with FOT at these events. Thanks for having us, we appreciate the fellowship. JVV From tarch at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 27 09:01:29 2013 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:01:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001c01cdfca7$92839f90$b78adeb0$@net> The other wrinkle in Triumph trips is driving a racecar to the track. In the last 13 years, ole #197 ran 29 races. Most of them were at the home track of Road Atlanta (60 miles from my shop). Two have been 600 mile trips (one way) to Mid Ohio, 2 to Daytona (450 miles), 2 to VIR (375 miles [one trip back home was on the hook - crankshaft failure])and 3 to Savannah (200 miles). It was entered in every enduro that was available. As a street car, it is cramped, stiff and uncomfortable. As a racecar it is heavy, softly suspended and underpowered (self imposed redline = 5.5K). For a nice old man like me, it is damn near perfect. Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:57 PM To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Amici Triumphi Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Great winter topic, Jason! The 04 TR4 was not a good long distance racer, the all out sprint race engine did not like the 1 hour enduros I ran. But I am not sure what got tired out first, the car or the driver! I never was too successful in getting my head into the endurance race mode, I tried to get into a rhythm of slow and smooth with interesting results. I usually turned my best lap time of the weekend. The current build of the 04 car with stock crank, rods and a set of Hepolites with a close ratio overdrive gearbox might make a better endurance car. Hopefully someone will buy it and find out! Jason Ostrowski wrote: >The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing >grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there >with a few different TR models. >I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 >hours of LeMans. (early years) > >Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >(Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did >well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving >a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of >this group on our own FoT website) > >This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago >and I need an interesting FoT topic. > >Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Jan 27 09:51:52 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:51:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> References: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> Message-ID: <51055B28.1040903@pobox.com> If we're talking about long road trips, In 1968 I drove my new TR250 10,000 miles in about 10 weeks. Started at the factory in Coventry, then went to Wales, Ireland, Scotland, England, France, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, back to Germany, France, Spain, France again, Switzerland, Italy, Yugoslavia, Austria, Germany again, Holland, Belgium and back to London. We would have covered more miles, but were stuck in Berlin for several weeks waiting for an engine replacement. With only 3,700 miles on it, the first one threw a rod in East Germany between Berlin and West Germany. I swear I was only going 80 mph. Good thing we were too young and stupid to be afraid of the East Germans. A couple of years later, my young bride and I drove it from Texas to Seattle in 3 days pulling a small trailer with all our worldly belongings. I especially remember the drive over Molas Pass in Colorado. The transmission went out 2 months later. Larry On 1/26/2013 10:25 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > What a Terrific bunch of Adventurous folks we were and still are..FOT > ROCKS!! > RB From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Jan 27 10:10:49 2013 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:10:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Didn't Ken Richardson take 4 or 5 Cambridge students to Monza in 1960 where they set all kinds of speed and distance records in a TR3A ? I think Paul Richardson wrote about it in detail in a VTR issue. They averaged more than 100 MPH for the 23 plus hours when one of the drivers flicked out of overdrive at very high speed and blew the engine. Don Elliott, Montreal -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: January-27-13 12:20 AM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Never be beaten by equipment In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. Never be beaten by equipment > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > Yes TeriAnn, > > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > > hours. > > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > > 3 > > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > > 5:04 > > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > > > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > >> > >> TeriAnn > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: > >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > >> multivintage.com >> vintage.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jan 27 10:12:49 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:12:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive now GATHERING ON THE GREEN Message-ID: <1c461.44e16fca.3e36ba11@cs.com> Larry, did you tell me you were coming to KCUP 2013 with your TR250? We need an example of a TR250 at the GATHERING ON THE GREEN! The invitation to the GOT is for one example of each Triumph Model. For each car selected by the VSCDA GOT committee, there is a nice little gift that goes with it. This a very special event late SATURDAY AFTERNOON at the host hotel. The OSTHOFF......(I wonder how folks are doing with their registrations at the Osthoff) > If we're talking about long road trips, In 1968 I drove my new TR250 > 10,000 miles in about 10 weeks. Started at the factory in Coventry, > then went to Wales, Ireland, Scotland, England, France, Belgium, > Germany, Denmark, Sweden, back to Germany, France, Spain, France again, > Switzerland, Italy, Yugoslavia, Austria, Germany again, Holland, Belgium > and back to London. We would have covered more miles, but were stuck in > Berlin for several weeks waiting for an engine replacement. With only > 3,700 miles on it, the first one threw a rod in East Germany between > Berlin and West Germany. I swear I was only going 80 mph. Good thing we > were too young and stupid to be afraid of the East Germans. > > A couple of years later, my young bride and I drove it from Texas to > Seattle in 3 days pulling a small trailer with all our worldly > belongings. I especially remember the drive over Molas Pass in > Colorado. The transmission went out 2 months later. > Larry > > From jkhagen at charter.net Sun Jan 27 10:38:17 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:38:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <22b9eb37.411f6f.13c7d16946a.Webtop.43@charter.net> "I guess those Triumph stock parts are not so bad after all" Mr. Kastner Just thought I'd repeat it. John Hagen On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours > of > Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines > did 877 > miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my > TR-4 > cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours > of > Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath > and Craig > Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time > ago, but > pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up > 2,473 miles > of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock > parts > aren't so bad after all. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; >> fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", >> or the basis for a great book. >> >> I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army >> footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the >> entire >> time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was >> 1969! >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MadMarx" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> >>> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >>> Im >>> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >>> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >>> >>> Yes TeriAnn, >>> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many >>> # of >>> hours. >>> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just >>> over >>> 3 >>> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 >>> at >>> 5:04 >>> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >>> >>>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke >>>> did >>>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>>> >>>> TeriAnn >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: >>>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>>> >>>> multivintage.com>>> vintage.com> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 18:13:43 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today Message-ID: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello Friends, I drove my TR3 for the first time today. So far so good. What a joy ! As I said in my "first start" message to the group a week ago, as far as I know the car has not been on the road since 1975 and today was the first drive since a nut and bolt restoration into a vintage race car. The alignment needs a little tweaking, but the engine sounds and ran great, trans shifted beautifully, the suspension and brakes felt great. My brother was my co-driver and got some vid of the experience. He trusted my work enough to get in and go with me. He was as excited as I was. He has witnessed the 57 month project on almost a weekly basis. I recently posted some photos on Photobucket of the the build process and will connect the link to the group soon. Thanks again to everyone who shared their advice, information and Triumph experience. FoT are the best ! I'l be sure to keep the group informed as this experience progresses to my first track drive. Dave H. From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 19:16:16 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:16:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil Message-ID: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 19:18:43 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:18:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube oil leak. Message-ID: <1359339523.20821.YahooMailClassic@web126103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Correct the year to 1961 TR4 #79. Ken Suhre From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 19:25:54 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:25:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> Did you also search the Triumph list archives? I'm sure this has been discussed there before. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 27 19:26:33 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:26:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFCB1605D9DAF6-9D0-2AE14@Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com> I used a Craftsman socket with a small end that steps down. It worked great as a swaging tool. Multiple light taps to move material. Of course you can only do the top. I am sure some will also say to use carb cleaner at the tubes and add some sealant of some kind. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Ken Suhre To: FOT Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:18 pm Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 19:29:41 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:29:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ken..you may as well pull the head and put in new valve guides(I don't know which valve guides to recommend.) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Suhre" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil >I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has >anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop >the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the >head. > Ken Suhre > 1969 TR4 #79 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From clw2000 at msn.com Sun Jan 27 19:38:07 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:38:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> Message-ID: What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts have been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:25:54 -0700 > From: mark at bradakis.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil > > Did you also search the Triumph list archives? I'm sure this has been > discussed there before. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 19:46:35 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:46:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Charles WATSON wrote: > What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts > have been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! You click on the archive link below. Then you click on a list, say, Triumphs. Then you enter some words in the search box, like pushrod tube Then you hit enter, and see what happens. mjb. From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Jan 27 19:50:01 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:50:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil Message-ID: Hi all, I ues a Moroso 2 part epoxy. White-ish/blue running stuff to seal the tops of the p/rod tubes and the water plug at the cyl. Head. Just make sure the area is clean and dry. Tony Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Ken Suhre wrote: >I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. >Ken Suhre >1969 TR4 #79 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jan 27 19:58:41 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:58:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo .com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack found some sort of loctite green compound that you could wick into the gap between the tube and the head. Didn't TOTALLY stop the leak but made it better. The craftsman socket method Joe mentioned came into play too. Tony At 08:16 PM 1/27/2013, Ken Suhre wrote: >I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. >Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like >to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last >resort pulling the head. >Ken Suhre >1969 TR4 #79 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 20:02:18 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:02:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Mark..the archives are Fantastic..1st I knew they existed thanks! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil > Charles WATSON wrote: >> What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts have >> been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! > > You click on the archive link below. > > Then you click on a list, say, Triumphs. > > Then you enter some words in the search box, like pushrod tube > > Then you hit enter, and see what happens. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 20:09:11 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:09:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5105EBD7.90908@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > Mark..the archives are Fantastic..1st I knew they existed > thanks! You're welcome. After all these years I'm used to people not realizing all that I provide ;-) What I would really like to do someday is make it so you don't have to search specific lists, but can search multiple, if not all, archives. As soon as everything else is working completely and up to date, I guess. mjb. From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Jan 27 20:22:05 2013 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (J. Wagner) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:22:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <20130128030848.3EC2740E1E@autox.team.net> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130128030848.3EC2740E1E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <30B1D592-8C7F-43FE-BA29-11E2EE1CA726@greenheart.com> This is probably what I would experiment with.... (And maybe this is what Tony is thinking Jack used?) http://www.loctiteproducts.com/p/10/25/t_lkr_green/overview/Loctite-Threadloc ker-Green-290.htm "Capillary action" is the key! And I would clean the tubes thoroughly with degreaser, followed by spray (zero residue) contact cleaner, and pressured (filtered) air... And I'd warm the head with a blow drier.... (Just warm, not hot).... I can't speak to whether it would work... I haven't given it a shot, my tubes (street car) seem to do ok.... but this would definitely be my approach. --Justin On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Jack found some sort of loctite green compound that you could wick into the gap between the tube and the head. Didn't TOTALLY stop the leak but made it better. The craftsman socket method Joe mentioned came into play too. > > Tony > > At 08:16 PM 1/27/2013, Ken Suhre wrote: >> I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. >> Ken Suhre >> 1969 TR4 #79 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 20:52:38 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:52:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <30B1D592-8C7F-43FE-BA29-11E2EE1CA726@greenheart.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130128030848.3EC2740E1E@autox.team.net> <30B1D592-8C7F-43FE-BA29-11E2EE1CA726@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <5105F606.5020703@bradakis.com> I sort of remember writing up a bit about this, maybe early 90s, when Chris Kantarjiev got his TR4A and asked on the Triumph list about these leaks. And like everyone has said, the first step is making sure the top of the tube has good mechanical contact with the head, then some sort of wicking compound like the Loctite 290 green. The hard part is getting it *clean* mjb. From jason at multivintage.com Sun Jan 27 21:25:09 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:25:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today In-Reply-To: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: 57 months. A round of drinks for everyone! Surely, another great car has been added to the FoT ranks. I had the pleasure of meeting Dave last year at Road Atlanta. Some guys are just easy to like. In retrospect, no wonder he was so likable. Like many of us, he was under and on top of his dream car for years. That is a long time dedication. A first drive after 4 years of hard work and more time and $ than anyone would admit, I say... Bravo Dave! A moment to be proud of. In our little world, I think that its pretty safe to say this is a car built for all the right reasons. Dave, you deserve every moment of happiness this car will provide. Awesome. Jason Ostrowski Freiendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: davehogye Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:13:43 To: Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today Hello Friends, I drove my TR3 for the first time today. So far so good. What a joy ! As I said in my "first start" message to the group a week ago, as far as I know the car has not been on the road since 1975 and today was the first drive since a nut and bolt restoration into a vintage race car. The alignment needs a little tweaking, but the engine sounds and ran great, trans shifted beautifully, the suspension and brakes felt great. My brother was my co-driver and got some vid of the experience. He trusted my work enough to get in and go with me. He was as excited as I was. He has witnessed the 57 month project on almost a weekly basis. I recently posted some photos on Photobucket of the the build process and will connect the link to the group soon. Thanks again to everyone who shared their advice, information and Triumph experience. FoT are the best ! I'l be sure to keep the group informed as this experience progresses to my first track drive. Dave H. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sun Jan 27 21:54:27 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:54:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130128030852.40EB840EA7@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <757F7BB507684D6980FF4F7A102E0CF5@your89d26e0447> Be careful using the socket to peen the tubes into place with the head on the car. It is easy to shift the tubes downward into the tappet galley. They are not supported on the bottom when the head is on the block. With the head on a steel workbench top or smooth concrete floor, the tubes can be swaged into tight contact easily. Using "wicking" loctite to really seal them top and bottom is essential to make them completely dry. The most difficult part is getting ALL of the oil residue out of the space between the tube and the head. The Loctite will not seal unless the oil residue is completely gone. Very hard to accomplish with the head on the block. It is important to not get much of the degreasing agent down the pushrod tube and into the oil of the engine where it will break down the oil. I suppose you could fit small corks or rubber plugs with a wire running through them so you could pull them back out after degreasing the gaps. The bottom of the tubes also tend to leak, they can be degreased and sealed from the out side area just under the spark plug holes. Greg Solow From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sun Jan 27 21:58:06 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:58:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today References: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7D80CDCC40594936914025E6FB35EFDA@your89d26e0447> Congratulations Dave! You have done a wonderful job on the car. When you show up at the track and the FOT folks see your car, they are going to be WOWED The craftsmanship is flawless and the engineering is great! Greg Solow From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 22:17:24 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 05:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today In-Reply-To: <7D80CDCC40594936914025E6FB35EFDA@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <1981070084.407054.1359350244107.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey, you're back on the FoT again! That's great! I had a feeling that you might chime in about the pushrod tube issue. Thanks for all of your support Greg. I wouldn't have had the same results without your mechanical expertise and assistance. The motor pulls strong and is still dry. Oh, where the hell is that piece of wood I've been carrying around. I'll bring her by the shop if I can tomorrow. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" , Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:58:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today Congratulations Dave! You have done a wonderful job on the car. When you show up at the track and the FOT folks see your car, they are going to be WOWED The craftsmanship is flawless and the engineering is great! Greg Solow From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 28 01:11:41 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:11:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cdfd2f$1c82d940$55888bc0$@com> I don't understand this question. How can a pusrod leak? And from where to where does it leak? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Ken Suhre Gesendet: Montag, 28. Januar 2013 03:16 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 05:36:14 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:36:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <000901cdfd2f$1c82d940$55888bc0$@com> Message-ID: <1359376574.52140.YahooMailClassic@web126104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Chris, It is the tube in the head, that the pushrod passes through, that I have leaking oil. Ken Suhre --- On Mon, 1/28/13, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, January 28, 2013, 2:11 AM I don't understand this question. How can a pusrod leak? And from where to where does it leak? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Ken Suhre Gesendet: Montag, 28. Januar 2013 03:16 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Jan 28 05:57:01 2013 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:57:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Back when Midwestern Council did The 4 hour race, Kirk Gutshe did it solo in a TR4A IRS. The same car I used to get my comp license. That car run like a train!! On 1/26/13 4:27 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3442201021_35581245] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From clw2000 at msn.com Mon Jan 28 05:57:31 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com>, , <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark - just what I was looking for! I don't recall seeing this on the page that has the log-ins and prior post links. Might be helpful to put it on there if it isnt already. Thanks again. Chuck Watson > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:46:35 -0700 > From: mark at bradakis.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil > > Charles WATSON wrote: > > What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts > > have been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! > > You click on the archive link below. > > Then you click on a list, say, Triumphs. > > Then you enter some words in the search box, like pushrod tube > > Then you hit enter, and see what happens. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 06:36:20 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 05:36:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil Message-ID: <1359380180.12750.YahooMailClassic@web126106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks for all your suggestions. Here is what I plan to do. With the rocker assembly and pushrods out of the way, I will lightly tap a tapered drift into the tube to expand it,taking care not to drive it down. This should seal off the tube to prevent any solvent form going down into the engine. Then after warming it with a heatgun, and making sure no oil residue remains, apply some Locktite to it on top and and on the outside where it goes through the bottom lip of the head. I probably won't know if I am successful until the next race. Mark, I did search all 400 of the treads in the Archives under leaks. I didn't find any pertaining to this. Possibly the one your remember was too old or losts. Thanks, so much, for keeping all this information possible. Ken Suhre From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 28 08:28:54 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:28:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: I ran the 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges twice. First time on a 500cc Honda (1st. Place) and the second time on a 250cc Suzuki (way back). The thing that sticks in my mind about that track was that it seemed to be built around a swamp. It rained both times and frogs would come out onto the track! But, I 'spose these races don't count. Is that track still open??? John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:45 PM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson > Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? > Ted can chime in... > Yes, This is a hot topic. I got a message from Ted already... FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 28 08:59:26 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:59:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359380180.12750.YahooMailClassic@web126106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Mark, I did search all 400 of the treads in the Archives > under leaks. I didn't find any pertaining to this. Possibly > the one your remember was too old or losts. Try either "leaky" or "sealing", without the quotes. The search engine seems to have a problem with searching for phrases, so "pushrod tubes" doesn't work at all unless you leave out the quotes. (The quotes indicate to search for that exact phrase, but there are lots of posts with that phrase in the archive.) The "More with this subject" link does not work at all, likely for the same reason. (BTW the [Permanent Link] and [Original] links don't work either.) Here's a thread I found from 1997, with pretty much the same replies you got this time: http://goo.gl/WYKV9 -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Jan 28 09:33:59 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:33:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books Message-ID: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Amici I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. So....... Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures both color and B&W. Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. What say we? Chris From riverside at southslope.net Mon Jan 28 09:35:11 2013 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:35:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If there any TR's being Chumped, there is a 36 hour enduro schedule in Washingto state in the Chump Car calendar. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:27 PM To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6056 - Release Date: 01/25/13 From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Jan 28 09:57:14 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:57:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130128165714.KPX4H.45233.root@hrndva-web19-z01> I'd buy one. Maybe have something to contribute as it relates to WPTA Road Trips associated with FOT Events if that would interest anyone. JVV ---- Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ From tr6driver at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 09:59:37 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:59:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E13D7D4-BD19-4C7D-A959-1C6A487F6D06@yahoo.com> Too far for us to haul the TR6 from NC. But they are going to rotate the 36 hour race to other areas in future years if this one is successful. If it hits east of the Mississippi we'll be there, I'm sure! Jamie Palmer On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:35 AM, wrote: > If there any TR's being Chumped, there is a 36 hour enduro > schedule in Washingto state in the Chump Car calendar. > > art de armond > > -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:27 PM > To: triumph friends > Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few > different TR models. > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours > of LeMans. (early years) > > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on > our own FoT website) > > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and > I need an interesting FoT topic. > > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6056 - Release Date: 01/25/13 _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 28 10:04:45 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:04:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Chris, If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of his stories. Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. Of course, Kas has them. My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big job would be to edit it all into a book. Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a fellow enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of adventures with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER PRIZE. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am Subject: [Fot] Books Amici I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. So....... Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures both color and B&W. Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. What say we? Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jan 28 10:30:31 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube Message-ID: <1210081987.360248.1359394231914.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jan 28 10:39:11 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:39:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com>, <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I know one thing for absolute sure, if you go into self publishing be sure to throw everything out of one stall in your garage 'cause that is where the unsold books will live for eternity. :-) No more lawn mowers, no more beer taps, no more race cars or gun works or snow blowers or stacks of old magazines, gone forever to make room for your newly found book inventory. Never be beaten by equipment > To: SeaCubeCo at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; ChrisB71 at aol.com > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:04:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > Chris, > > If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of his > stories. > > Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. > > I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. > > Of course, Kas has them. > > My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big job > would be to edit it all into a book. > > Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. > > Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a fellow > enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of adventures > with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... > > In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER > PRIZE. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Bock > To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock > Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am > Subject: [Fot] Books > > > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jan 28 10:50:34 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:50:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> I'm in. Bob Davis ---- Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Mon Jan 28 11:14:03 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:14:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube In-Reply-To: <1210081987.360248.1359394231914.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8E.AB.08009.CEFB6015@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> I would recommend taking a look at the following site... No personal involvement here it's just that I have read most of their info which is good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the cylinder bore range by 1/4 and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact size but should use the next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the same as a size offered. They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits and normally start with a 120 and then finish with a 240. http://www.enginehones.com/ Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:31 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 28 11:33:14 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:33:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Books Message-ID: In a message dated 01/28/2013 11:39:18 AM Central Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > I know one thing for absolute sure, if you go into self publishing be > sure to > throw everything out of one stall in your garage 'cause that is where the > unsold books will live for eternity. :-) No more lawn mowers, no more > beer > taps, no more race cars or gun works or snow blowers or stacks of old > magazines, gone forever to make room for your newly found book inventory. > Hmmmm... I wonder how long before that spoon fed wisdom from our Guardian Angel sinks in. There's always flies in the ointment, and Kas knows how to point them out without stepping on anyone's toes. We could take up a collection and buy a warehouse for storing the books? Maintain it by renting space to FOT members for storing parts and parts cars? Our spouses will vote YES for the latter. Abandon the whole idea? Bill (Damdinger) From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Jan 28 12:56:30 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:56:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Message-ID: <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> Do any of you remember Auto Book Men. I think that's how it was spell Anyway it was in Maryland some 30 years ago. You name it they had it. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:51 PM To: FoTTriumph; Christopher Bock; christopher bock Subject: Re: [Fot] Books I'm in. Bob Davis ---- Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few > pictures both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 28 13:03:14 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FYI Message-ID: <5106D982.1010709@bradakis.com> There are currently about 315 addresses on this list. mjb. From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Jan 28 13:05:17 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:05:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yeah, that was a great store. I spent way too much money with them. I had forgotten all about them. John On Mon, January 28, 2013 2:56 pm, Craig Wensley wrote: > Do any of you remember Auto Book Men. I think that's how it was spell > Anyway it was in Maryland some 30 years ago. You name it they had it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:51 PM > To: FoTTriumph; Christopher Bock; christopher bock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > I'm in. > > Bob Davis > > ---- Christopher Bock wrote: >> Amici >> >> I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. >> >> So....... >> >> Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? >> >> It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few >> pictures both color and B&W. >> >> Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we > have >> that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. >> >> What say we? >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Jan 28 13:36:37 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:36:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cdfd97$2b93adc0$82bb0940$@comcast.net> Did you race with owner Lee Sack at Marlboro to (back in the day) -----Original Message----- From: R. John Lye [mailto:rjl6n at cstone.net] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:05 PM To: Craig Wensley Cc: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com; 'FoTTriumph'; 'Christopher Bock'; 'christopher bock' Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Yeah, that was a great store. I spent way too much money with them. I had forgotten all about them. John On Mon, January 28, 2013 2:56 pm, Craig Wensley wrote: > Do any of you remember Auto Book Men. I think that's how it was spell > Anyway it was in Maryland some 30 years ago. You name it they had it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:51 PM > To: FoTTriumph; Christopher Bock; christopher bock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > I'm in. > > Bob Davis > > ---- Christopher Bock wrote: >> Amici >> >> I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. >> >> So....... >> >> Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? >> >> It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few >> pictures both color and B&W. >> >> Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if >> we > have >> that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. >> >> What say we? >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 28 15:16:59 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:16:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130128221659.SDV7K.60133.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > We could take up a collection and buy a warehouse for storing the books? What about using one of the "print on demand" printers instead? I assume the per-book costs would be higher, but maybe not compared to buying a warehouse. Eg, http://www.thebookpatch.com/ Randall From igofaster at att.net Mon Jan 28 17:58:32 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:58:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1359421112.83915.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> hey! send me some pizza from Lou Malnati's ... I'll 'feel' for you... global warming was 78 degrees in N.Texas today.... Love AND miss Chicago bro! BW ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 4:31:50 PM Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Jan 28 18:32:05 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:32:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <20130128.203205.21636.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Yes, the track is still open, The facilities were somewhat rough back in 2008, but I had heard since then that it was undergoing renovations. Track had a few rough spots too. I don't know about the swamps, but it rained during the 24 hour race I drove in and got quite foggy during the night. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "john hasty" To: "'Jason Ostrowski'" , "'Joe Boruch'" Cc: Subject: RE: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:28:54 -0500 I ran the 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges twice. First time on a 500cc Honda (1st. Place) and the second time on a 250cc Suzuki (way back). The thing that sticks in my mind about that track was that it seemed to be built around a swamp. It rained both times and frogs would come out onto the track! But, I 'spose these races don't count. Is that track still open??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. 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FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Jan 28 18:47:47 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:47:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: <20130128.204747.21636.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> It was more than just an impression in the carbon. It was an impression in the aluminum. Joe(B) From: Kas Kastner To: , "toodamnfunky at comcast.net" Cc: fot Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 deck height Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:32:53 +0000 Impression in the carbon is just right. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > > With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow > 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had > impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) > ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Jan 28 19:09:03 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:09:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <653894CE-26A2-4A4A-9C8E-4F33D9A66D78@aol.com> Amici I was thinking that if everyone who is a FOT member writes a story we can have enough stories to do this. There are the usual people who comment regularly but what about the other 300 who are members. What is their story? All we would need is their name location and story Example: Chris B from Delaware (now), USA I caught the racing bug when my friends were trying to figure which vintage organization they wanted to race in while building their MGA racer. Funny thing is that they own a GT6 and a TR6. While at Summit Point around 08 the big joke was, "Where is Chris? Oh, he is wrenching on someone's car!" Which was true! I was watching someone replace a head gasket and they said that if I stayed they would put me to work. They did! The other joke was that the next session the car ran the best it did all day. Also that day i helped replace an axle shaft. That was the start if it. Now while at the races I crew for the MGA, Bugeye Sprite, and a Formula Vee. Slowly I am building a 74 Spit eventually for the track. First I will have some fun with the stock parts on the street. Then to the races I go. I am going to have I share the driving with my wife. Even something as short as that would be fine. Ok hit me with the opinions I have a friend who prints books and they are helping me what would be needed from start to finish. Chris On Jan 28, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Chris, > > If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of his stories. > > Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. > > I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. > > Of course, Kas has them. > > My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big job would be to edit it all into a book. > > Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. > > Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a fellow enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of adventures with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... > > In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER PRIZE. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Bock > To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock > Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am > Subject: [Fot] Books > > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 21:55:09 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:55:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <653894CE-26A2-4A4A-9C8E-4F33D9A66D78@aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> <653894CE-26A2-4A4A-9C8E-4F33D9A66D78@aol.com> Message-ID: <46EB141B-B6A6-4566-B3D7-5ABE9E872F90@bnj.com> On paper? Why? Probably 95% of the book I read these days are electronic, and I read constantly--probably more than 100 books a year. Authoring tools for eBooks are awesome, and it doesn't cost anything to publish. Why do it on dead trees? On Jan 28, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > I was thinking that if everyone who is a FOT member writes a story we can have > enough stories to do this. There are the usual people who comment regularly > but what about the other 300 who are members. What is their story? > All we would need is their name location and story > > Example: > > Chris B from Delaware (now), USA > > I caught the racing bug when my friends were trying to figure which vintage > organization they wanted to race in while building their MGA racer. Funny > thing is that they own a GT6 and a TR6. While at Summit Point around 08 the > big joke was, "Where is Chris? Oh, he is wrenching on someone's car!" Which > was true! I was watching someone replace a head gasket and they said that if > I stayed they would put me to work. They did! The other joke was that the > next session the car ran the best it did all day. Also that day i helped > replace an axle shaft. That was the start if it. Now while at the races I > crew for the MGA, Bugeye Sprite, and a Formula Vee. Slowly I am building a 74 > Spit eventually for the track. First I will have some fun with the stock parts > on the street. Then to the races I go. I am going to have I share the driving > with my wife. > > Even something as short as that would be fine. > > Ok hit me with the opinions > > > I have a friend who prints books and they are helping me what would be needed > from start to finish. > > Chris > > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of > his stories. >> >> Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. >> >> I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. >> >> Of course, Kas has them. >> >> My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big > job would be to edit it all into a book. >> >> Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. >> >> Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a > fellow enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of > adventures with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... >> >> In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER > PRIZE. >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christopher Bock >> To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock >> Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am >> Subject: [Fot] Books >> >> Amici >> >> I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. >> >> So....... >> >> Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? >> >> It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few > pictures >> both color and B&W. >> >> Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have >> that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. >> >> What say we? >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Jan 28 22:06:32 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:06:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Looking for a light TR6 trunk lid In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com>, <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com>, <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud>, <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1359435992.80323.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know of anyone making and selling TR6 trunk lids made from lighter material? Thanks, Jim From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 28 22:41:55 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:41:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <46EB141B-B6A6-4566-B3D7-5ABE9E872F90@bnj.com> Message-ID: > Why do it on dead trees? I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) -- Randall From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 29 01:14:56 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:14:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube Message-ID: Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to use based on the material your top compression rings are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their catalogue. We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. The auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. We like it much better than "washing with soap and water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught in auto shop class and in vintage text books. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] Sent : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM To : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube I would recommend taking a look at the following site... No personal involvement here it's just that I have read most of their info which is good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the cylinder bore range by 1/4 and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact size but should use the next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the same as a size offered. They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits and normally start with a 120 and then finish with a 240. http://www.enginehones.com/ Steve Yott -----Original Message----- Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 29 01:15:48 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:15:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube Message-ID: <8F3EDDE103EE4F428660E98A6AF5F57A@your89d26e0447> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:34 PM Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to use based on the material your top compression rings are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their catalogue. We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. The auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. We like it much better than "washing with soap and water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught in auto shop class and in vintage text books. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] Sent : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM To : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube I would recommend taking a look at the following site... No personal involvement here it's just that I have read most of their info which is good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the cylinder bore range by 1/4 and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact size but should use the next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the same as a size offered. They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits and normally start with a 120 and then finish with a 240. http://www.enginehones.com/ Steve Yott -----Original Message----- Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From mmoore at wave1.net Tue Jan 29 05:58:05 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <20130128.203205.21636.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20130128.203205.21636.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000901cdfe20$48100370$d8300a50$@net> Nelson Ledges is still open but the surface is in really rough shape, this is where I have been practicing the past 2 years. It's a great layout, and only costs $130 for a track day. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:32 PM To: jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Yes, the track is still open, The facilities were somewhat rough back in 2008, but I had heard since then that it was undergoing renovations. Track had a few rough spots too. I don't know about the swamps, but it rained during the 24 hour race I drove in and got quite foggy during the night. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "john hasty" To: "'Jason Ostrowski'" , "'Joe Boruch'" Cc: Subject: RE: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:28:54 -0500 I ran the 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges twice. First time on a 500cc Honda (1st. Place) and the second time on a 250cc Suzuki (way back). The thing that sticks in my mind about that track was that it seemed to be built around a swamp. It rained both times and frogs would come out onto the track! But, I 'spose these races don't count. Is that track still open??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:45 PM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson > Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in > a TR8??? > Ted can chime in... > Yes, This is a hot topic. I got a message from Ted already... FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jan 29 06:31:36 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:31:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books References: Message-ID: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> Amen Randall, I have a couple dozen books autographed by the authors. One of my treasures is a ski racing book signed by Billy Kidd at Steamboat Springs in 1985. What was the hot computer setup in those days? Michael Argetsinger signed his Walt Hansgen book for me (and his others) at Watkins Glen over the last few years. Great memories. Throw in Kas's books, and Carroll Smith's also. Then, of course, there's B S Levy! (Well named!) ((I like Burt)) All this computer stuff is nice, but give me a book any day. Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FoTTriumph'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years > ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" > floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of > my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 29 06:40:10 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> References: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> Message-ID: <006b01cdfe26$28bf9930$7a3ecb90$@rr.com> Speaking of Burt.......... He must have a warehouse where he stores his goods before turning to cash............I could relate a few tales for a bunch of laughs if you guys go ahead with this, but would have to change the names to protect the guilty! I'm not sure of the statute of limitations in some states! russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:32 AM To: Randall Cc: 'FoTTriumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Amen Randall, I have a couple dozen books autographed by the authors. One of my treasures is a ski racing book signed by Billy Kidd at Steamboat Springs in 1985. What was the hot computer setup in those days? Michael Argetsinger signed his Walt Hansgen book for me (and his others) at Watkins Glen over the last few years. Great memories. Throw in Kas's books, and Carroll Smith's also. Then, of course, there's B S Levy! (Well named!) ((I like Burt)) All this computer stuff is nice, but give me a book any day. Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FoTTriumph'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 > years ago that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge > tape, 8" > floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some > of my DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable > either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty > sure my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't > count that :) > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 07:09:24 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:09:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5107D814.1050409@gmail.com> On 1/28/13 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: >> Why do it on dead trees? > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. That's why I will only purchase an e-book in html format. From past experience of software changes, with companies coming & going and formats coming & going, I have decided that if you tie yourself to one company's e-reader you are guaranteeing a limited shelf life for your content. Every device that connects to the web has software that will read and display html. New versions of html will be backwards compatible with older versions and is my best bet for being able to reread a book a decade or so later. I can not imagine anyone making a change to html that would render everything archived on the net unreadable. If a publisher offers an e-book in html format, I purchase the html version. If not I go with the paper version. While I have 4 book cases filled with paper books, I also have 54 books in html format that I can read on any web browser on any hardware that supports a web browser. My e-fifth book case. TeriAnn From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 29 07:24:16 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:24:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <006b01cdfe26$28bf9930$7a3ecb90$@rr.com> References: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> <006b01cdfe26$28bf9930$7a3ecb90$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CFCC43742712A4-2734-3C65F@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Burt had me sneak his books over the border in our rig going to MOSPORT.. I need to remind him of that....... Uncle Jack and I would have a ton of stories during our tenure of 'SENIOR TOURS', but a lot of it might only be funny to us. I suggest that an outline be made of the proposed book and see where it goes. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: 'Bill Tobin' ; 'Randall' Cc: 'FoTTriumph' Sent: Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Speaking of Burt.......... He must have a warehouse where he stores his goods before turning to cash............I could relate a few tales for a bunch of laughs if you guys go ahead with this, but would have to change the names to protect the guilty! I'm not sure of the statute of limitations in some states! russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:32 AM To: Randall Cc: 'FoTTriumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Amen Randall, I have a couple dozen books autographed by the authors. One of my treasures is a ski racing book signed by Billy Kidd at Steamboat Springs in 1985. What was the hot computer setup in those days? Michael Argetsinger signed his Walt Hansgen book for me (and his others) at Watkins Glen over the last few years. Great memories. Throw in Kas's books, and Carroll Smith's also. Then, of course, there's B S Levy! (Well named!) ((I like Burt)) All this computer stuff is nice, but give me a book any day. Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FoTTriumph'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 > years ago that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge > tape, 8" > floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some > of my DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable > either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty > sure my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't > count that :) > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Jan 29 07:50:15 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:50:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> On 1/28/2013 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: >> Why do it on dead trees? > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > Amen to that. I still have my old chemistry textbook that is still a pretty good reference, after more than forty years. I've lost books I've written on the computer (and, yeah, shame on me for not doing regular backups), but I've managed to hold on to the hard print books I've collected over the years (apart from the ones stored in a guy's barn when the roof blew off and the rain and snow turned them into blocks of paper). But, then, I'm just an English major who likes the look and feel of a real book in my hands. There's something solid and reliable about a book one can pick up and hold in one's hands. Dead trees? I would guess that, in aggregate, copiers today use much more paper for much less worthy purposes than do books. Hell, this is a group that goes bug nuts at the suggestion to enable rules to convert to fuel injection, or renewable fuels, but electronic books are preferable? Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 08:18:40 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:18:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube In-Reply-To: <8F3EDDE103EE4F428660E98A6AF5F57A@your89d26e0447> References: <8F3EDDE103EE4F428660E98A6AF5F57A@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <229CDF52-CB8B-49D2-BD74-F27CAE021629@yahoo.com> Great post Greg. These are the posts I like to see. Very thorough and very helpful! I learned something new today! Ty TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "Greg Solow" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:34 PMgh > Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > > flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to > use based on the material your top compression rings > are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest > finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly > filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest > grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their > catalogue. We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive > drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the > regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts > in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). > We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid > and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY > color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. The > auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and > debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder > & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. > We like it much better than "washing with soap and > water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught > in auto shop class and in vintage text books. > > Greg Solow > The Engine Room > Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, CA 95060 > 831 429-1800 > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > From : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] > Sent : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM > To : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > I would recommend taking a look at the following > site... No personal > involvement here it's just that I have read most of > their info which is > good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the > cylinder bore range by 1/4 > and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact > size but should use the > next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the > same as a size offered. > They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of > mineral spirits and > automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits > and normally start > with a 120 and then finish with a 240. > > http://www.enginehones.com/ > Steve Yott > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > FoT > I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've > used once and on the > second time round > It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. > Since they are made to a > specific bore size > their service life has to be limited but how limited ? > Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to > use while running a > hone. > Thanks as always, > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 29 08:31:46 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube In-Reply-To: <229CDF52-CB8B-49D2-BD74-F27CAE021629@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <640904193.396524.1359473506476.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I second that ! jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com To: "Greg Solow" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:18:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Re: B Flex hone life span & lube Great post Greg. B These are the posts I like to see. Very thorough and very helpful! B I learned something new today! Ty TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "Greg Solow" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:34 PMgh > Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > > flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to > use based on the material your top compression rings > are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest > finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly > filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest > grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their > catalogue. B We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive > drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the > regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts > in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). > We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid > and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY > color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. B The > auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and > debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder > & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. > We like it much better than "washing with soap and > water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught > in auto shop class and in vintage text books. > > Greg Solow > The Engine Room > Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, CA 95060 > 831 429-1800 > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > From B B : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] > Sent B B : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM > To B B B : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Cc B B B : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > I would recommend taking a look at the following > site... No personal > involvement here it's just that I have read most of > their info which is > good. B Flex Hones come in various sizes in the > cylinder bore range by 1/4 > and 1/2 inch increments. B You do not need an exact > size but should use the > next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the > same as a size offered. > They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of > mineral spirits and > automatic transmission fluid. B I always use two grits > and normally start > with a 120 and then finish with a 240. > > http://www.enginehones.com/ > Steve Yott > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > FoT > I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've > used once and on the > second time round > It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. > Since they are made to a > specific bore size > their service life has to be limited but how limited ? > Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to > use while running a > hone. > Thanks as always, > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jan 29 08:52:57 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:52:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> References: , <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> Message-ID: So write/edit the book (someone has to do that in the end) for on-line usage or a disc and the individual can read on screen, download or print as he prefers. This could solve all the COSTS portion of a study. I treasure my books and have collections of everything some writers have written. I'd mention authors but do not want to start a never ending thread of comments. I now date the front page with the time of the re-read and allow three years to elapse in most cases, then read the entire collection in order. So throw out that junk in the garage and put in books, they will never argue, and will always give the same opinion no mater how much coffee or beer you spill on them, and they will help with the insulation in the garage so you can work longer in the winter. In the worst cases you can use them to cook up the brats and then have space for a new choice. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:50:15 -0700 > From: mdporter at dfn.com > To: TR3driver at ca.rr.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > On 1/28/2013 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: > >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > > > > > Amen to that. I still have my old chemistry textbook that is still a > pretty good reference, after more than forty years. I've lost books > I've written on the computer (and, yeah, shame on me for not doing > regular backups), but I've managed to hold on to the hard print books > I've collected over the years (apart from the ones stored in a guy's > barn when the roof blew off and the rain and snow turned them into > blocks of paper). But, then, I'm just an English major who likes the > look and feel of a real book in my hands. There's something solid and > reliable about a book one can pick up and hold in one's hands. > > Dead trees? I would guess that, in aggregate, copiers today use much > more paper for much less worthy purposes than do books. Hell, this is a > group that goes bug nuts at the suggestion to enable rules to convert to > fuel injection, or renewable fuels, but electronic books are preferable? > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jan 29 09:04:55 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> Message-ID: <635253457.462947.1359475495597.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yeah, and if you stack your books or place your book shelves on the right wall, they act as good insulation. And, if you place them like like my sweetie does, pretty soon you don't need curtains or windows even. Just kidding, it's really not that bad yet. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: "Randall" Cc: "FoTTriumph" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:50:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books On 1/28/2013 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: >> Why do it on dead trees? > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > Amen to that. I still have my old chemistry textbook that is still a pretty good reference, after more than forty years. I've lost books I've written on the computer (and, yeah, shame on me for not doing regular backups), but I've managed to hold on to the hard print books I've collected over the years (apart from the ones stored in a guy's barn when the roof blew off and the rain and snow turned them into blocks of paper). But, then, I'm just an English major who likes the look and feel of a real book in my hands. There's something solid and reliable about a book one can pick up and hold in one's hands. Dead trees? I would guess that, in aggregate, copiers today use much more paper for much less worthy purposes than do books. Hell, this is a group that goes bug nuts at the suggestion to enable rules to convert to fuel injection, or renewable fuels, but electronic books are preferable? Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jan 29 09:07:11 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:07:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <1359421112.83915.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1359421112.83915.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55E8BA775EB0461CB3692F81A5E5A993@gdhs.local> Hey Bobby....I heard yesterday that SVRA is putting on a ract at the Austin track with vintage and TransAm cars..... John H. 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BW ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 4:31:50 PM Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 29 09:47:46 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:47:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rod ends Message-ID: <6B47A864-CAC2-4AFE-8D05-9E338B2024BE@me.com> I'm tightening up the GT6 suspension, and shopping for rod ends. Historically I have just ordered from Pegasus, gotten the better quality alloy rod ends. This time I looked at the price and was a little stunned - $41 for a 7/16" male rod end. Problem is, I can't tell what Aurora model these are - are they AM, PRM, or something else. If AM, I can find these for $26 elsewhere. Anybody know, or have any recommendations for manufacturers, etc? These are for the trailing/locating rods for the lower inverted a-arm. From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 29 14:02:09 2013 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:02:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] flex hone. Message-ID: I forgot to mention, it is important to obtain a final cross-hatch pattern of about 30 degrees from horizontal with both the up and down strokes. I get this by using a 1/2" drive electric drill.the rotates at a fairly low rpm. If you have a fixed speed drill, you canhit the trigger "on while pulling the drill up through the bore and off while pushing it down and get a rythm going to give the correct pattern. This has never failed to give a good ring seal and easy break in. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: [CWE] Cometic Multi Layer Head Gaskets TR3-4 > This topic comes up every so often, but I don't think anything definitive > ever comes of it. > > I just called Cometic to see what can be done about a good multi-layer TR4 > head gasket for us racers. The current TR4 Cometic gasket is not a > multi-layer gasket, but rather it is a composite with rolled over fire > rings (still old technology and they can only can as a round fire ring). > They list this as for an 88 mm bore, but I don't think that it would work > with an 87 mm bore with the intake valve unshrouded. Others on FOT have > had them do a custom 89 mm bore gasket, but it was not unshrouded (may > work with an unshrouded 87 mm bore???). > > Cometic wants $3-4000 to tool up for a MLS gasket. I did not go any > further than that with them. I don't know if that means enough such > gaskets would need to be sold to cover the tooling cost??? > > I was wondering if there was enough demand out there for a multi-layer > gasket. If we could order 40 or 50 of them it may be worth them tooling > up for it. What say you? Joe(B) > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51082165c013021651600st04duc > > _______________________________________________ > Cwe mailing list > Cwe at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Jan 29 18:13:20 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:13:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] sponsorship "ad" for Levy's book? Message-ID: <510873B0.5000809@blacksburg.net> Amici, The comments about publishing a book (I vote for paper and would be glad to contribute) come at a serendipitous time. Burt Levy is about to publish his sequel to "The 200MPH Steamroller", and we thought it would be fitting to memorialize Jimmy and Lanky as we did for Uncle Jack. The artwork Joe and I collaborated on to memorialize them is finished and can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ (There's a nice tribute to Lanky in this month's Classic Motorsports, page 14, and Jimmy is noted in the great article about the TR250K on page 81.) So I'm looking for folks interested in contributing to a sponsorship "ad" in Levy's book, in addition to the 4 folks who have already signed on. Pls let me know by 11 FEB if you're interested. If we have critical mass, I'll press on with the effort and keep everyone in the loop. Tnx to Joan DeLap for taking the great photo of three "departing TR4s" and Joe's theme of "Departing Triumphs, Departed Friends". Dennis: I just noticed that I misspelled your name in the artwork. Damn, sorry. I'll fix it tomorrow. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From igofaster at att.net Tue Jan 29 19:05:09 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:05:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1359511509.67592.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> yeah! I wanna meet your wife! mine would have said, "Do what? " ...... Bobby ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 8:20:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 29 19:34:50 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:34:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com><6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud><8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1359511509.67592.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85772BE5ED9F41EDBD23D9392D4F6C55@Bud> I've always had fun wives!(:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > yeah! I wanna meet your wife! mine would have said, "Do what? " > ...... > Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 8:20:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > >>I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Yes TeriAnn, >> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >> hours. >> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >> 3 >> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >> 5:04 >> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: >>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>> multivintage.com>> vintage.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Janzen at REcatalyst.com Tue Jan 29 20:29:55 2013 From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:29:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Valve question Message-ID: <85F8C12A-4698-4B7F-B6E1-1343CFEB71BE@REcatalyst.com> well, the engine failed the leak-down test big time, with cylinders ranging from 2% to 46%. Sounds like bad exhaust valves for the worst offenders. I've been running stock valves - am thinking that now may be a good time to upgrade. Any recommendations? Mostly I'm just looking for better quality, not larger. From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 22:24:34 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:24:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Highest Elevation Raced in a Triumph References: <057BD9EC-A865-494C-8F1E-3817BD08211F@esri.com> Message-ID: > Folks- > I have read some mentions of Kas and Pikes Peak. Some of the local RMVR cars race up to the top of Pikes Peak (my neighbor races his Cuda up to the top every year and won first in class last year). What I haven't been able to tell is if a Triumph has made this climb, and wonder just how "high" Triumphs have raced around the world. > > At one point, I was thinking of setting up a second car for Pikes Peak. That second car is in the garage awaiting further instruction. I am now hearing that they are raising the entry fees to $1000s to keep the little guys out. > > It made me wonder who has raced up this mountain or at other high altitude events in a Triumph. Could be yet another story for the "book". I see the Peak every day and wonder. > > Thanks. > > Ty > > TR4 #413 From rjohns at woh.rr.com Wed Jan 30 14:59:02 2013 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] High Altitude racing Message-ID: <51414C75B7EA404D89008946D3A48D9B@Bucktailus> Hi guys, Tyler wonders who has raced a Triumph at high altitude? I will offer this submission. In the fall of 1956 I was racing what ever SCCA was running that I could reach. A hill climb came up to be run at Los Alamos. I went up on Saturday from Roswell, where I was stationed, and spent the afternoon tuning for the altitude. Come Sunday morning, I lined up and went off. I came back down after the run to line up again, for another try. The starter came over and said, Your time is some much better than others, why take another run, wait and see what the later times are. It ended up that I was second fastest run of the day. The only car faster was a 120 or 140 Jaguar from Los Alamos. There was a C3 or C4 Cunningham there, but he was way too rich. From memory,( that is a long time ago) Los Alamos is 10,00 feet and tuning for that altitude made the big difference. Robert Johns From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Jan 30 16:58:18 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] High Altitude racing In-Reply-To: <51414C75B7EA404D89008946D3A48D9B@Bucktailus> References: <51414C75B7EA404D89008946D3A48D9B@Bucktailus> Message-ID: <38810828-D319-4867-8015-5ACE63BD466A@comcast.net> In theory if you're running a constant depression carb like a ZS then altitude should not make a difference since the less dense air should pull less fuel. In practice many cars that have come from lower altitudes have found they run too rich at Colorado altitudes (5280 ft.) and above. Usually leaning the mixture helps. If you run Weber carbs or something similar then you have to do correct jets and venturies to get it right. Yes it makes a big difference since we have about 5psi less air pressure (inches of mercury) than at sea level. So a supercharger (with 5 psi of boost) in Denver would just about make up for how my TR6 ran at Galveston TX, or Jekyll Island where I was in heaven with the kick in the pants the accelerator gave me at those sea level venues. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > but he was way too rich. From memory,( > that is a long time ago) Los Alamos is 10,00 feet and tuning for that > altitude made the big difference. From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 31 08:47:37 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:47:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cometic Gaskets Message-ID: There has been some discussion off line about using a cometic 91mm composite gasket on a TR4. Can it be done? what mods required etc. I believe there are some list members that have been down that path. I am tossing this out there for your expertise. I have purchased one but have not installed it yet so I don't want to give bad info. What say ye? Thanks, Marty From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Jan 31 09:20:06 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] WTB: Cheap TR6 wheels Message-ID: <001101cdffce$d5dda130$8198e390$@aero> Posting for a friend: He is looking for a cheap set of straight, usable steel tr6 wheels? Do not want or need trim rings nor center caps, just the rims for autocross use. He will also consider ugly alloys.. In Texas. If you can help contact Dave dave at beanitos.com Thanks! From barry at penybryn.ca Thu Jan 31 12:45:00 2013 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:45:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Message-ID: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf Barry. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 15:33:36 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:33:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting In-Reply-To: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> References: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing A question: For a TR-6 [and probly all the fours], what is the "Makeup air line" -- that is, how does fresh air get into one of our crankcases? On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the > significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the > archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be > very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to > this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional > Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance > Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: > http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jan 31 15:41:56 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1208684921.492310.1359672116720.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I already use myB exhaust as a vacuum source plumbed through the seperator/catch tank and currently in the process of sealing the system starting with a threaded cap on my valve cover and minor mods to seal my dipstick so I can maximize the scavenging effect of the exhaust. I have no plans to allow fresh air in if I can help it. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: "Barry Munson" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:33:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Thanks for sharing A question: For a TR-6 [and probly all the fours], what is the "Makeup air line" -- that is, how does fresh air get into one of our crankcases? On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the > significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the > archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be > very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to > this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional > Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance > Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: > http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 31 16:03:33 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 00:03:33 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting In-Reply-To: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> References: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Message-ID: <000701ce0007$32ca8fb0$985faf10$@com> I destroyed 3 valves in short time. Then I made my own valve design which seem to last. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr p-IiCg/s983/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk ULsBvQ/s983/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Barry Munson Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2013 20:45 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf Barry. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu Jan 31 19:09:40 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:09:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cometic Gaskets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510B23E4.3010100@blacksburg.net> On 1/31/2013 10:47 AM, marty sukey wrote: > There has been some discussion off line about using a cometic 91mm composite > gasket on a TR4. Can it be done? what mods required etc. I believe there are > some list members that have been down that path. I am tossing this out there > for your expertise. I have purchased one but have not installed it yet so I > don't want to give bad info. What say ye? > > Thanks, > Marty > ________ > Marty, I have one and will never use anything else. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Jan 31 19:59:31 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 02:59:31 GMT Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Message-ID: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> My Honda S2000 has the dual catch can system with a PVC valve. After reading this i may try removing the PVC valve. My TR3 has a dry sump and thus has lots of crankcase ventilation, though I have not checked how much vacuum it pulls. I should data log it sometime. I think the vacuum break is set at 10 inches of vacuum, which is the lowest setting. Figured with too much vacuum it would just suck more in through everywhere else. Tractor engines have a lot of places for leaks. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:45:00 -0700 Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf Barry. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Jan 31 21:55:42 2013 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:55:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] WTB: Cheap TR6 wheels Message-ID: <13695.2717eeee.3e3ca4ce@aol.com> In a message dated 1/31/2013 11:21:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, list at mackenzie.aero writes: just the rims for autocross use. hmmm....I wouldn't do that with original TR6 steel wheels - particularly if he is going to use R-compound tires - he will eventually tear the centers out of the wheels - but that will probably be somewhat less ...ah...dramatic...or exciting in an autocross than it is in a road race. Cheers, Jack Mc From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jan 1 12:38:12 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:38:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs Message-ID: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? Sent from my iPhone From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 1 14:14:11 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:14:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <1357074851.72302.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I use MOROSO part# 46160 Happy New Year Everybody. Dennis --- On Tue, 1/1/13, John Hasty wrote: > From: John Hasty > Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs > To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" > Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 1:38 PM > Who would be a source for "long" > wheel studs other than ARP? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From malaboge at aol.com Tue Jan 1 21:06:40 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:06:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> References: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Try Miloden @86060 pre 63 GM bolts and I believe you need to ream the hubs to 19/32" ...about $25 for 10 of 'em. An old lug myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:38 am Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? Sent from my iPhone From malaboge at aol.com Tue Jan 1 21:14:00 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:14:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> References: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFB6B6B9BDE68F-DB8-45252@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> DOH... make that # 86060 darn fat phingers... -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: jhhasty ; fot Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:07 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheel studs Try Miloden @86060 pre 63 GM bolts and I believe you need to ream the hubs to 19/32" ...about $25 for 10 of 'em. An old lug myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:38 am Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 06:18:51 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:18:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <8CFB6B6B9BDE68F-DB8-45252@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> References: <6F700B83-3468-4EE5-8E88-161D083F65C7@gdhs.com> <8CFB6B5B3F02C0F-DB8-45206@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> <8CFB6B6B9BDE68F-DB8-45252@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: John , Moser also makes the long studs, not that it matters but that may be the axles you are running from Southwich. On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:14 PM, wrote: > DOH... > > make that # 86060 darn fat phingers... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: malaboge > To: jhhasty ; fot > Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:07 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wheel studs > > > Try Miloden @86060 pre 63 GM bolts and I believe you need to ream the > hubs > to 19/32" ...about $25 for 10 of 'em. > > An old lug myself... > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph > Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:38 am > Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs > > > Who would be a source for "long" wheel studs other than ARP? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 2 06:29:17 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:29:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wheel studs In-Reply-To: <1357074851.72302.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1357074851.72302.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Jan 2013, Dennis DeLap wrote: > I use MOROSO part# 46160 > Happy New Year Everybody. Ditto and Ditto. > Dennis regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Jan 2 08:16:58 2013 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:16:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] trailer for sale Message-ID: <50E44F6A.4040808@bright.net> A friend of mine, and a former employee of Kas at Nissan, has a car trailer for sale. Specs are listed below. He is coming to Ohio to pick up his new trailer so possible delivery along the way. Trailer is in Dallas,TX . Contact information for Ron Johnson is rj8083 at verizon.net. Pictures on Dallas Craigslist, #3510059927. This is a clean, well cared for unit. Ted 1-owner (purchased new) / less than 4,000 miles / OA length is 27' / 4-wheel electric brakes / 2 5/16" 12.5K coupler / LED tail lights / Removable LH fender / 4' dove tail / 5' ramps w/diamond plate (not ladder style) / Ramps have longer chains for easy-pull w/gloves on / Pull-out ramps have provisions for security padlock / In-bed storage box w/lock (32x32x12 inches) / 3,500 lb axles w/leaf springs / Front mounted jack / Side-mounted spare tire carrier w/new spare tire / 2,000 lb top-wind jack / Four (4) 360 degree swivel D-rings / 205/75x15 tires / Full 1/8" steel diamond plate floor / Dexter EZ flex HD rubber suspension system / complete eaz-lift elite equalizing hitch system included Perfect for race, vintage or commercial use / Can haul anything from a Mini to a full-size SUV / And, because it has a fully plated bed, it can also be used for motorcycles, ATVs, lumber, pipe, hay, etc. / Color is black & condition is excellent. $3,500.00 OBO -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed Jan 2 09:00:05 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:00:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member nomination Message-ID: 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is a long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently purchased a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. Do I hear a second? Current Photo - TR3 http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ thanks mike 63 Spitfire race car 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street G. Michael Harmuth From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 2 09:32:10 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:32:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] New member nomination Message-ID: <12f9a.ddb75b6.3e15bb09@cs.com> Of course.........wet liner people are always welcome. 2nd > 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is a > long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently purchased > a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car > and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. > Do I hear a second? > > Current Photo - TR3 > http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ > > thanks > mike > > 63 Spitfire race car > 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars > 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street > > > G. Michael Harmuth > From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 2 09:56:02 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:56:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] New member nomination References: <12f9a.ddb75b6.3e15bb09@cs.com> Message-ID: I will second Rick Mcurdy RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] New member nomination > Of course.........wet liner people are always welcome. > > 2nd > > >> 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is >> a >> long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently >> purchased >> a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car >> and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. >> Do I hear a second? >> >> Current Photo - TR3 >> http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ >> >> thanks >> mike >> >> 63 Spitfire race car >> 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars >> 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street >> >> >> G. Michael Harmuth >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jan 2 09:14:06 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:14:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005301cde904$30786530$91692f90$@rr.com> Okay, second! russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:00 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fmccjr at aol.com Subject: [Fot] New member nomination 1st new member nomination of the New Year, Rick McCurdy from NY. Rick is a long time member of the Brits of the Hudson car club and recently purchased a TR3 race car. It's currently being renovated for service as a race car and will undoubtedly have some questions for the assembled masses. Do I hear a second? Current Photo - TR3 http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/Brits%20of%20the%20Hudson/ thanks mike 63 Spitfire race car 75, 72, 80 Spitfire street cars 70 GT6 almost ready to return to the street G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Jan 2 15:29:21 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:29:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? Which ones are good/not-so good.. Robert MacKenzie From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 2 15:32:37 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: <157AD9C8-D2AB-4083-BC78-4CA8C3E24CE9@me.com> I like the Hans Sport - rounded corners don't get hooked on the door frame of my GT6 coupe like the "standard" Hans. On Jan 2, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? Which ones are good/not-so good.. Robert MacKenzie _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Jan 2 16:26:09 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:26:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: They're all good. A HANS is a HANS by that name, other similar devices are knockoffs under different names and personally I like the original. I also don't like the idea of being trussed up in some collection of straps, just the HANS sitting on my shoulders (and under my shoulder belts) works just fine, thanks. Simple and elegant. But prices vary. I have the Hans Sport. It's nice, relatively low-cost, and the "extra weight" is negligible for a club racer doing 30-45 minute events. It might be a consideration for a guy doing a 4-hour NASCAR or triple-stints at the Daytona 24, but then those guys can afford the high-dollar carbon-fibre lightweight models. SafeRacer has some good prices on them. Be sure you get the right model -- they vary both for your neck size and how you sit in your car (laydown, upright). I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? > Which ones are good/not-so good.. > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Jan 2 16:27:06 2013 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:27:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? > Which ones are good/not-so good.. > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 2 16:29:11 2013 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:29:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <14643495.1357169351344.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Get the HANS 20 degree layback model with the adjustable tethers. If you feel like dropping a few extra bucks, get the carbon-fiber model. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Robert MacKenzie >Sent: Jan 2, 2013 2:29 PM >To: 'Friends of Triumph' >Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > >Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? >Which ones are good/not-so good.. > >Robert MacKenzie >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 2 16:49:14 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:49:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: GForce also does the anchors to your hat. If possible I would go to your dealer and try on all the sizes with your hat. I found the "recommended" size was not the best for me when it was actually fitted. Be sure and get the theather straps that slide through their mounts. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:26 PM, "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > They're all good. A HANS is a HANS by that name, other similar devices are knockoffs under different names and personally I like the original. I also don't like the idea of being trussed up in some collection of straps, just the HANS sitting on my shoulders (and under my shoulder belts) works just fine, thanks. Simple and elegant. > > But prices vary. I have the Hans Sport. It's nice, relatively low-cost, and the "extra weight" is negligible for a club racer doing 30-45 minute events. It might be a consideration for a guy doing a 4-hour NASCAR or triple-stints at the Daytona 24, but then those guys can afford the high-dollar carbon-fibre lightweight models. > > SafeRacer has some good prices on them. Be sure you get the right model -- they vary both for your neck size and how you sit in your car (laydown, upright). > > I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. > > I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM > Subject: [Fot] HANS Device > > >> Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? >> Which ones are good/not-so good.. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 2 16:59:14 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:59:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <002c01cde938$9dca3e90$d95ebbb0$@aero> Message-ID: <200780A8-3D34-4155-A748-213E6255799C@gdhs.com> PS: also make sure your seat back is not too far forward at the top so your head can slant slightly back and you have free movement in all directions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:49 PM, John Hasty wrote: > GForce also does the anchors to your hat. If possible I would go to your dealer and try on all the sizes with your hat. I found the "recommended" size was not the best for me when it was actually fitted. Be sure and get the theather straps that slide through their mounts. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:26 PM, "Rocky Entriken" wrote: > >> They're all good. A HANS is a HANS by that name, other similar devices are knockoffs under different names and personally I like the original. I also don't like the idea of being trussed up in some collection of straps, just the HANS sitting on my shoulders (and under my shoulder belts) works just fine, thanks. Simple and elegant. >> >> But prices vary. I have the Hans Sport. It's nice, relatively low-cost, and the "extra weight" is negligible for a club racer doing 30-45 minute events. It might be a consideration for a guy doing a 4-hour NASCAR or triple-stints at the Daytona 24, but then those guys can afford the high-dollar carbon-fibre lightweight models. >> >> SafeRacer has some good prices on them. Be sure you get the right model -- they vary both for your neck size and how you sit in your car (laydown, upright). >> >> I buy my helmets direct from Simpson. Last one I bought I had Simpson put the HANS anchors in for me. That way I knew they were in the right place (the location matters). BTW, HANS anchors work with a HANS, maybe not with the other brands of head & neck devices. >> >> I did not get the "easy-off" anchor release feature. I found it was very easy to pop the HANS straps off my helmet (once I learned how) and didn't need any extra straps dangling down to do it. >> >> --Rocky Entriken >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" >> To: "'Friends of Triumph'" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 4:29 PM >> Subject: [Fot] HANS Device >> >> >>> Can anybody make a recommendation on HANS devices? >>> Which ones are good/not-so good.. >>> >>> Robert MacKenzie >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Jan 3 06:59:04 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:59:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd recommend the HANS Sport 20 degree with the sliding brackets. I don't have the quick disconnect, open cockpit Spitfire, I just slip the helmet and HANS on as a unit before I slide down into the seat. The sliding tethers allow enough movement from side to side that I really don't notice I have it on. In the past I raced a formula 500 open wheel car and used one of the full body strap type restraints. I felt like a pot roast, all laced up, the HANS device is a big improvement. Oh, and the HANS system does work. I had a diff break a tooth and lock up, taking out a 1/2 shaft down the front straight at Limerock. Quick spin into the wall and a shorter car. I didn't even get a stiff neck from the impact, but my wife sure gave me an ear ache when she saw the car. Good new was I was there to hear it. Got the whole thing on video. into the wall http://s32.beta.photobucket.com/user/harmug/media/into%20the%20wall/IntotheWa llFacebookcut.mp4.html mike G. Michael Harmuth From billdentin at aol.com Thu Jan 3 16:00:27 2013 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:00:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH World February/March 2012 Message-ID: <8CFB81D41505E23-AFC-440D@webmail-d133.sysops.aol.com> Amici... My February/March issue of Triumph World arrived today, and has a ton of great articles in it. Part 1 of 2 Kas Kastner Interview (five pages) An article on Spitfire racing in the USA (our own Mark Craig) Why the TR7 had the biggest impact of all Triumph sports cars; Getting a Rover V8 in a Doretti; And about fifteen others...all good stuff... Bill Dentinger From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jan 3 19:22:33 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 02:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add Message-ID: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello all, I just wanted to share what I just found in the latest issue of Victory Lane magazine, a fantastic full page add with large photo of 3 racing TR4s in action. In the photo are Sean Alexander, Dennis DeLap and...? Nice exciting shot! See Y'all there and best wishes for a great New Year, Dave H. From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 3 19:43:17 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:43:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add References: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <95D0A131054D47B88AE37C96BDF96A02@Bud> thanks Dave..great photo! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "davehogye" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 6:22 PM Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add > Hello all, > I just wanted to share what I just found in the latest issue of Victory > Lane magazine, a fantastic full page add with large photo of 3 racing TR4s > in action. > In the photo are Sean Alexander, Dennis DeLap and...? Nice exciting shot! > See Y'all there and best wishes for a great New Year, > Dave H. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 3 20:01:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 22:01:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup ad In-Reply-To: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <851749202.1815370.1357266153380.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CFB83EF95491D5-16F8-6352@webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com> Dave, Yup, that's SEAN, DENNIS, and BOB WISMER. The photo credit goes to Joan DeLap. It has been one of my favorite photographs, for a long time. Apparently, VSCDA has very good taste...... I would vote for this to have on our event shirt, but I have a different vision for the shirt that would involve a more retro theme. We should know more in a couple of weeks.....it's really not up to me. Right now the KCUP 2013 is looking very good, Great photo....thanks JUST JOAN! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: davehogye To: Fot Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 8:23 pm Subject: [Fot] Great ELVF/Kastner Cup add Hello all, I just wanted to share what I just found in the latest issue of Victory Lane magazine, a fantastic full page add with large photo of 3 racing TR4s in action. In the photo are Sean Alexander, Dennis DeLap and...? Nice exciting shot! See Y'all there and best wishes for a great New Year, Dave H. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 4 13:39:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 15:39:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 Message-ID: <8CFB8D2ADB7A1B2-17C8-BE82@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com> Does anyone have contact information for Robert Stadel? Ambro. Tony Garmey says he will be coming but wont know which cars until JAN/FEB time frame....TR250? Hope so. Hope everyone is doing well with OSTHOFF RESERVATIONS. Lots of three BR suites are reserved as it cost effective. I will be opening up the Osthoff reservations to other groups, like the VTR, as we have a working relationship with them. We will have first pass FOT POSTER by the 15th of January....Steve Belfer. This will likely result in the artwork for the event shirt......Marty Sukey As you know, VSCDA is doing very well with advertising this event. John Houlton, Chair, Jason Ostrowski, Paddock Master, Tim Murphy, and I plan to come in early to rope off paddock area. I am looking for a couple COMMERCIAL sponsors for a couple low dollar features. Any interest? Lots of little details to be worked out but it's coming along. Thanks for all of the support. VSCDA.ORG ROADAMERICA.COM FOT-RACE.COM OSTHOF.COM Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From jsukey at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 22:30:59 2013 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 00:30:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts Message-ID: I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? Thanks for any input, Jason Sukey From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Jan 5 06:14:56 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 08:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50E82750.9070201@cfl.rr.com> Send a core cam to Ric Cline. He will machine you a race cam. He has been building a racing GT6's forever. I have an address and phone number if you are interested. Bob On 1/5/13 12:30 AM, Jason Sukey wrote: > I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 > cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any > experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? > Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? > > For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 > rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a > GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come > on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and > lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be > similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? > > Thanks for any input, > > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jan 5 09:10:34 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:10:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts In-Reply-To: <50E82750.9070201@cfl.rr.com> References: <50E82750.9070201@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CFB976533452E9-1CCC-11357@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> Jason, Ric Cline will be able to answer all your questions and needs. Just tell him your intensions with the GT6 and you might find he already has your particular grind sitting on his shelf. He was very helpfull in my search for my autocrossing Spitfire and very pleased so far with the results. Good luck, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:39 am Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts Send a core cam to Ric Cline. He will machine you a race cam. He has een building a racing GT6's forever. I have an address and phone number f you are interested. Bob n 1/5/13 12:30 AM, Jason Sukey wrote: I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? Thanks for any input, Jason Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sat Jan 5 13:57:26 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:57:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] H6 Gland packing help Message-ID: <1357419446.9152.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have been doing some work on the TR4 race car over the winter here in the Northwest. I am switching to an H6 carb set up from the HS6 carbs I had used the last 3 years (long story on why - though I had a carb problem when it was a head gasket). I am having problems with the packing leaking around the Jets. The Jets are new from Joe Curto. When initially put the carbs on the car and applied fuel pressure they started dripping. I replaced the new cork packings with the Orings that Moss sells. They leaked as well. So I did some looking on the internet and SU says to soak the cork packings in motor oil. I did that and put the carbs back together after soaking. I had some head work done and finally have the engine all together. I ran the engine today for the first time and the jets are still leaking. Does the leaking go away the carbs have been used awhile? The Jets never actually get used other than to center the needle with no choke linkages. Any ideas would be appriciated. thanks!!! Mike Mehl #46 TR4 - Vancouver Washington From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jan 5 18:22:09 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:22:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] New Video Message-ID: <50E8D1C1.2070304@comcast.net> Happy New Year FOT. To help you get your thoughts back on racing, I've posted a new video on Youtube. It's from the final race at the Columbia River Classic in Portland. This was Monday afternoon of Labor Day weekend and a lot of the cars had already left for home. Jeff Quick in his TR4 and Gary Silcox in the Elva started at the back for fun. You see them blast by me on lap 2. There's also some good footage of Bill Hart's Devin during the first couple of laps. The video ends early because of the 15 minute time limit on Youtube. I used Dashware to synch my AIM data with the GoPro video. The only problem is the lap count is off since I started the data system in the paddock to watch the temps as I warmed up the car. Every time the data gets turned on and off, it counts as a lap. Need to figure out how to reset it on pregrid. Anyway, enjoy! Jim Norlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9yt7zJHwSc From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jan 5 19:17:58 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:17:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Video In-Reply-To: <50E8D1C1.2070304@comcast.net> Message-ID: Well driven Jim, really nice course too. Jim Gray -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Norlin Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:22 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] New Video Happy New Year FOT. To help you get your thoughts back on racing, I've posted a new video on Youtube. It's from the final race at the Columbia River Classic in Portland. This was Monday afternoon of Labor Day weekend and a lot of the cars had already left for home. Jeff Quick in his TR4 and Gary Silcox in the Elva started at the back for fun. You see them blast by me on lap 2. There's also some good footage of Bill Hart's Devin during the first couple of laps. The video ends early because of the 15 minute time limit on Youtube. I used Dashware to synch my AIM data with the GoPro video. The only problem is the lap count is off since I started the data system in the paddock to watch the temps as I warmed up the car. Every time the data gets turned on and off, it counts as a lap. Need to figure out how to reset it on pregrid. Anyway, enjoy! Jim Norlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9yt7zJHwSc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 6 08:31:57 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:31:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Message-ID: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out New high torque starter New battery Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load New radiator Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I got it I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be applicable to this particular problem. The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured that to be 175-180 F at the cap. I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. Thanks for your suggestions, Greg From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jan 6 08:38:19 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel pump, though it could very well be fuel percolation as well. With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, and not just with TRs. I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel pump. Terry Stetler From mpendy at dishmail.net Sun Jan 6 08:47:39 2013 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 07:47:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: Make sure the the ignition coil is'nt the culprit.....alot of heat breaks down the internals. Just a thought Mark P On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Terry Stetler wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel > pump, though it could very well be > fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, > and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel > pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From igofaster at att.net Sun Jan 6 09:25:28 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:25:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight Message-ID: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a sale in my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer tool cart 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my car hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough if you own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not mentioned but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. I've got my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought those years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of backlash from toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know not to lick our Chinese tools... Bobby From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 09:38:21 2013 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 09:38:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Video In-Reply-To: <20130106023150.716DB40551@autox.team.net> References: <20130106023150.716DB40551@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0A330E3A-2F2B-4566-B1B4-06BD65F6B744@yahoo.com> Hey dude. I am laid up this weekend. Had wrist surgery Friday and been on some good drugs. Loopy is a good word for me. Tu Sent from my iPhone '63 Triumph TR4 DP Race Car ++++ On Jan 5, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Well driven Jim, really nice course too. > Jim Gray > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jim Norlin > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:22 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] New Video > > Happy New Year FOT. To help you get your thoughts back on racing, I've > posted a new video on Youtube. It's from the final race at the Columbia > River Classic in Portland. This was Monday afternoon of Labor Day > weekend and a lot of the cars had already left for home. Jeff Quick in > his TR4 and Gary Silcox in the Elva started at the back for fun. You > see them blast by me on lap 2. There's also some good footage of Bill > Hart's Devin during the first couple of laps. The video ends early > because of the 15 minute time limit on Youtube. > > I used Dashware to synch my AIM data with the GoPro video. The only > problem is the lap count is off since I started the data system in the > paddock to watch the temps as I warmed up the car. Every time the data > gets turned on and off, it counts as a lap. Need to figure out how to > reset it on pregrid. > > Anyway, enjoy! > > Jim Norlin > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9yt7zJHwSc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jan 6 09:56:31 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:56:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: > what > are the solutions other than heat shield? Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. -- Randall From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Jan 6 10:10:35 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 11:10:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Camshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50E9B00B.5070502@pobox.com> I can't tell you how the power curves would compare, but generally, if you have a motor which is capable of higher revs you will want to use a cam with more duration, i.e. valve open longer. I beat this subject to death at my website http://tildentechnologies.com/. In my opinion, for a 7 to 8,000 RPM motor you probably want at least 260 degrees duration at 0.050 lift. What kind of cams are the other hot GT6 racers running? Larry Young On 1/4/2013 11:30 PM, Jason Sukey wrote: > I'm looking at camshafts for my GT6 and am seeing that most of the 6 > cylinder cams are marketed for the TR250 and TR6. Does anyone have any > experience with how these behave in the higher revving 2L GT6 engines? > Does the same cam act "bigger" in a GT6? Do they act similar? > > For example, say a certain high performance cam has a peak torque at 4700 > rpm and runs out of steam by 6500 rpm in a TR6. If I put the same cam in a > GT6 engine (assuming all the other variables are the same), would it "come > on" at a higher rpm due to the smaller displacement/ shorter stroke and > lower port velocity in the head? Would the shape of the torque curve be > similar, only shifted to the right a bit for the GT6? > > Thanks for any input, > > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Jan 6 10:23:47 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:23:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Message-ID: In a message dated 01/06/2013 10:56:38 AM Central Standard Time, TR3driver at ca.rr.com writes: > > what > > are the solutions other than heat shield? > > Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I > also > recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with > no > choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. > I used to have big problems restarting my 'HOT' early TR3 (SU carbs) after enduro pit stops, red flag stops, etc. But these 'HOT' restarting problems went away after (at Henry Frye's suggestion) I put my electric fuel pump on a switch. Thereafter when the car was 'HOT' I would turn off the fuel pump, count to ten, before turning off the engine. Have not had a 'HOT' engine starting problem since. Even when coming back to the paddock after a track session, I now turn off the fuel pump, count to ten, before turning off the engine. If I do that, no problem restarting the 'HOT' race car in my paddock either. Not sure how this relates to Stromberg carbs. Bill Dentinger From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jan 6 10:42:06 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:42:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS Message-ID: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars because of heat buildup and quality of gas. Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean Alexander. They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an exclusive one for GoodParts. Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? > > > From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jan 6 11:17:17 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 11:17:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: " but as adults we should know not to lick our Chinese tools..." Bobby you crack me up :) I pledge to practice safe mechanics and not lick my Chinese tools. Jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 9:25 AM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a sale in my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer tool cart 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my car hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough if you own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not mentioned but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. I've got my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought those years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of backlash from toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know not to lick our Chinese tools... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sun Jan 6 11:33:02 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:33:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1357497182.6503.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sounds like the coil to me. ________________________________ From: Greg & Alison Blake To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Sun, January 6, 2013 7:33:36 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out New high torque starter New battery Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load New radiator Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I got it I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be applicable to this particular problem. The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured that to be 175-180 F at the cap. I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. Thanks for your suggestions, Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 6 12:47:37 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:47:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> Greg Does the girl line have any crud in it ? It would be easy to believe there rust, varnish and the like. I had one car that needed a new fuel line. I tried very hard to clean the old one but it appeared that the restrictions enabled the vapor lock issues. You can substitute a temporary rubber fuel line from tank to pump to see if it helps. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel > pump, though it could very well be > fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Jan 6 13:24:00 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 15:24:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <50E9DD60.4010703@charter.net> Greg As dumb or simple as it may sound, try switching your gas station. I don't know where you live but the switch was on to winter blended fuels which would have a higher reed vapor pressure and more likely to boil or vapor lock. I take car of more than a dozen guys cars here locally (Southeast Michigan) and haven't had much of an issue with the problem. About half of those. I have rebuilt the carbs, replaced the vacuum valves but kept the hot idle compensator's intact. I have had fuel injected cars run into the same problems when the % alcohol content is too high. Remember they add more alcohol as a cheaper way to raise octane on pump fuel. Glenn On 1/6/2013 10:31 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great > when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue > with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit > for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: > > Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out > > New high torque starter > > New battery > > Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. > Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load > > New radiator > > Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I > got it > > I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be > applicable to this particular problem. > > The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured > that to be 175-180 F at the cap. > > > > I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the > fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last > weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel > pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what > are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on > the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it > should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. > > > > When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I > usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it > going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. > > > > Thanks for your suggestions, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jan 6 13:25:54 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:25:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> Message-ID: <50E9DDD2.1040603@comcast.net> I had similar problems with my racing Spit. Wouldn't restart after the engine heat soaked. The only way to get it to restart was to pour cold water on the intake manifold to cool it. After I had the carbs (SU's) rebuilt, the problem totally went away. The throttle shafts and throttle body were worn and apparently there was too much air leakage. This was verified when we put the car on the chassis dyno last spring. The only thing changed was the rebuilt carbs, and we had to lean them out significantly to get the car to run right. Gained about 2 hp. On 1/6/2013 7:31 AM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I've got a starting problem with the TR6 I care for. The car starts great > when cold but after a drive that gets the car up to temp I have an issue > with the restart. The hot start problem only occurs if I let the car sit > for more than about 10 minutes. Related things I have done to the car: > > Rebuilt the original carbs - byass and temp compensators are locked out > > New high torque starter > > New battery > > Rebuilt dist - problem persists with more or less advanced static timing. > Currently have it set to where I do not get any detonation at load > > New radiator > > Removed core plugs and flushed engine - it sat for about 20 years before I > got it > > I've done lots of other work but I think that is all that would be > applicable to this particular problem. > > The car runs right below the halfway mark on the temp gauge and I measured > that to be 175-180 F at the cap. > > > > I've read that some of the Stromberg carbs have a problem of boiling the > fuel out of the floats in conditions like this. I pulled the dash pots last > weekend when I had the hot start issue and did not see large amounts of fuel > pooling at the throttle disk. How would I diagnosis this condition and what > are the solutions other than heat shield? I'll try the coil next just on > the chance that it is getting hot and not working as efficiently as it > should when hot. Other than that, I am out of ideas. > > > > When I do get it to start after sitting about 10 minutes in cool weather, I > usually have to hold the throttle about half way to the floor to get it > going. This is would leads me to believe it is carb related/too much fuel. > > > > Thanks for your suggestions, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 6 13:59:34 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 15:59:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS In-Reply-To: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> References: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> Message-ID: <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars because of heat buildup and quality of gas. Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean Alexander. They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an exclusive one for GoodParts. Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? > > > From spitlist at cox.net Sun Jan 6 14:16:22 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 14:16:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: "Girl" line? Is this an auto correction feature of your I Phone? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 12:48 PM To: Terry Stetler Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Greg Does the girl line have any crud in it ? It would be easy to believe there rust, varnish and the like. I had one car that needed a new fuel line. I tried very hard to clean the old one but it appeared that the restrictions enabled the vapor lock issues. You can substitute a temporary rubber fuel line from tank to pump to see if it helps. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical fuel > pump, though it could very well be > fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common problem, and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric fuel pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 6 16:32:43 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS In-Reply-To: <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> References: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <73960577B9A8473580EA5E3611B67443@UserTHINK> Joe's Heat Shield solved issues with my 4A as well. They are especially useful if the engine driven fan is replaced by an electric fan. In slow traffic or in stopped traffic there is not a sufficient amount of air being moved until the electric fan kicks in which could be a few minutes or longer. That's enough time for the exhaust manifold to radiate a lot of heat up and under the carb float bowls. An excellent improvement for our cars, well designed and manufactured, perfect fit too. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 3:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars because of heat buildup and quality of gas. Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean Alexander. They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an exclusive one for GoodParts. Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Jan 6 17:57:30 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:57:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS In-Reply-To: <73960577B9A8473580EA5E3611B67443@UserTHINK> References: <5ad.1c7adce6.3e1b116e@cs.com> <8CFBA67DD4291ED-1BE8-179B0@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com> <73960577B9A8473580EA5E3611B67443@UserTHINK> Message-ID: <1EC7709B-DBF0-4BF9-8755-3F6F4D428C35@gdhs.com> Ceramic coating of the exhaust header reduces the heat by 35%. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 6:32 PM, "Jerry Van Vlack" wrote: > Joe's Heat Shield solved issues with my 4A as well. They are especially useful if the engine driven fan is replaced by an electric fan. In slow traffic or in stopped traffic there is not a sufficient amount of air being moved until the electric fan kicks in which could be a few minutes or longer. That's enough time for the exhaust manifold to radiate a lot of heat up and under the carb float bowls. An excellent improvement for our cars, well designed and manufactured, perfect fit too. > > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 3:59 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 hot start problems A.R.E HEATSHIELDS > > Joe's heat shield did wonders for my TR3, but I guess you knew that. I also > recently learned to hold the throttle about 1/3 down while starting (with no > choke obviously), which seems to help some, too. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------- > > My contention is that street TRIUMPHS need heatshields more than race cars > because of heat buildup and quality of gas. > > Jack & I made up aluminum heatshields for our race cars. Then I > reprocessed then into a design in a superior stainless steel material and on > production equipment, with the help of Jack and Irv Korey....and Sean > Alexander. > > They are well distributed by TRF, Moss, Victoria British, and we do an > exclusive one for GoodParts. > > Still there is no guarantee that this will cure the problem of hard starts > if there are other issues. But cool fuel is always a good idea, eh? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 6 21:15:23 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:15:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems In-Reply-To: <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com> <77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <005101cdec8d$9d345990$d79d0cb0$@rr.com> Don't know about the Girl Line, but the fuel line is new from tank to the rebuilt pump. The line from the pump to the carbs is still the old line. I've been looking at the old cruddy line from the pump to the front carb and thinking I should replace it. While I am at it, is there a better routing for the TR6 fuel line than right under the water pump? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:48 PM To: Terry Stetler Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems Greg Does the girl line have any crud in it ? It would be easy to believe there rust, varnish and the like. I had one car that needed a new fuel line. I tried very hard to clean the old one but it appeared that the restrictions enabled the vapor lock issues. You can substitute a temporary rubber fuel line from tank to pump to see if it helps. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > This sounds like the classic Triumph TR series vapor locked mechanical > fuel pump, though it could very well be fuel percolation as well. > > With our truly awful modern ethanol laced fuel this is a common > problem, and > not just with TRs. > > I suspect the only real cure will be a properly regulated electric > fuel pump. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Jan 6 22:14:23 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 00:14:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] H6 Gland packing help Message-ID: <1a09c.b819c17.3e1bb3af@aol.com> Mike, I used to get great comments from the SF SCCA inspectors about my TR3's SUs not leaking. I used liberal amounts of petroleum jelly with the cork seals. Have you checked the jet outside surfaces and diameters for scratches or other issues that could hurt the seals? Even new parts need to be checked. Are you certain that the leaks are from the jet OD? Please be advised that when I went from the H6 to the HS6 the change was beyond track tuning in the limited amount of time available during a National weekend for a very modified motor. I had the complete H6 system to reinstall, and did for that weekend. The center pull linkage for the butterfly shafts of the HS6 is much more reliable in my experience, and we did get them to work very well. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 1/6/2013 8:57:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] H6 Gland packing help Message-ID: <1357419446.9152.YahooMailNeo at web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been doing some work on the TR4 race car over the winter here in the Northwest. I am switching to an H6 carb set up from the HS6 carbs I had used the last 3 years (long story on why - though I had a carb problem when it was a head gasket). I am having problems with the packing leaking around the Jets. The Jets are new from Joe Curto. When initially put the carbs on the car and applied fuel pressure they started dripping. I replaced the new cork packings with the Orings that Moss sells. They leaked as well. So I did some looking on the internet and SU says to soak the cork packings in motor oil. I did that and put the carbs back together after soaking. I had some head work done and finally have the engine all together. I ran the engine today for the first time and the jets are still leaking. Does the leaking go away the carbs have been used awhile? The Jets never actually get used other than to center the needle with no choke linkages. Any ideas would be appriciated. thanks!!! Mike Mehl #46 TR4 - Vancouver Washington From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 06:04:56 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:04:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <8E4EEEA1-405E-4C21-A075-6D60F4EF8D18@comcast.net> References: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <8E4EEEA1-405E-4C21-A075-6D60F4EF8D18@comcast.net> Message-ID: I also use the Hylomar Blue, works good, seals good....believe it or nor you use to could get it at Harbor Freight ! On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Bud R wrote: > I'm a "Right Stuff" user too. > > It works great and I've even used it to stop leaks on the outer edge > of a timing cover that I didn't have the time or inclination to go > through the whole process of removing all the things needed to pull > the cover. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Steve Yott wrote: > > > I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on > > everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... > > > > Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you > > don't > > want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff > > as it > > will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. > > > > Steve Yott > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > > On > > Behalf Of Dennis Delap > > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM > > To: Bob Kramer > > Cc: FOT > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > > > Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a > > sealant these > > days? > > > > > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer > > wrote: > > > >> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set > >> it > >> all > > up > >> dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have > >> less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are > >> stamped and > > press > >> down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will > >> need > >> to > > have > >> custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > >> > >> Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get > >> them > > out > >> before spending money on the crank! > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> > >>> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am > >>> working on > >> the > >>> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This > >>> is > >>> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new > >>> sleeves. > >>> Head > >> gasket > >>> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel > >>> and > > could > >> be > >>> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > >>> Question > > is, > >> do > >>> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > >>> > >>> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to > >>> remove > >> the > >>> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out > >>> sufficiently. > > It > >>> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple > >>> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm > >>> thinking they > >> will > >>> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 7 06:35:19 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:35:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems References: <003801cdec22$fd2165c0$f7643140$@rr.com><77D2D49E-E94C-495A-BCE6-BB28B632C236@austin.rr.com> <005101cdec8d$9d345990$d79d0cb0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <95807B9E1B3B42249F12B5F32D4C0B98@TRIUMPH.local> The race car is a completely different story, Bill Dentinger's post explained my take on that issue. But in the street driving world, I guess I have been lucky. In all my years of driving SU/Stromberg Triumphs on the street I never really had a hot start problem. I agree with Jim Norlin's experience, having your carbs 100% right seems to be at least part of the solution. I have built two modified TR4 street engines in the past several years. The first one is my buddy's car, it has with a cam, some head work, a stock TR4A exhaust manifold and belt driven fan. Mine has a bigger cam, even more head work, a header and an electric fan. Both are running stock mechanical fuel pumps and neither has a heat shield. Both got new HS6's direct from Burlen in the UK. We routinely load up the cars with our wives and gear and try to drive the wheels off. I can recall countless stop and go bathroom breaks and gas stops in very hot weather that had me wondering if the cars would restart, but they always fire right up. I read somewhere long long ago (I am thinking it's in the owners manual) that you are supposed to hold the throttle open about 1/3 open when cranking a hot engine, when you do that the engine usually fires immediately. It's nice to hear people having hot start issues in January, for the better part of the past week I have been seeing single digits in the morning glance of the thermometer! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 hot start problems > > what are the solutions other than heat shield? From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 7 22:29:11 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:29:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. My tools go back 45 years, a combination of Craftsman, MAC, Snap On, Proto, and other quality brands. And Lincoln welders. Life's too short to buy cheap tools. Or cheap bikes. Or in the old days, cheap beer! Ya gets what ya pays for. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight > I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a > sale in > my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer > tool cart > 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my > car > hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough > if you > own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not > mentioned > but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. > I've got > my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought > those > years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... > Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of > backlash from > toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know > not > to lick our Chinese tools... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Jan 8 06:22:36 2013 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:22:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Message-ID: <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and have none to measure. Thanks, Richard Good From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 07:53:58 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:53:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Message-ID: <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jan 8 08:11:43 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:11:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> The vast majority of my "Buffalo" brand socket set (purchased who knows where) is, thankfully, gone. Broken, not lost. I purchased that socket set around 1987 to do my first solo wrenching - changing a water pump, in the parking lot of our apartment building. Naturally, it rained. I never had any of my own tools before that, as my dad (GT6 racer Jerry Barr) was always a short drive away, with a bottomless toolbox and decades of wrenching experience. The tools sold at Harbor Freight these days seem of higher quality than that old Buffalo brand socket set, but I try to get Craftsman or better. Scott B. (must be winter, if we're down to talking about tools. Is it time for The Great Transmission Debate again?) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:54 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jan 8 08:40:23 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <37246ED617AE475389FED3D14D9CB81B@gdhs.local> No debate from me, I learned my lesson the last time I brought it up! John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 10:12 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight The vast majority of my "Buffalo" brand socket set (purchased who knows where) is, thankfully, gone. Broken, not lost. I purchased that socket set around 1987 to do my first solo wrenching - changing a water pump, in the parking lot of our apartment building. Naturally, it rained. I never had any of my own tools before that, as my dad (GT6 racer Jerry Barr) was always a short drive away, with a bottomless toolbox and decades of wrenching experience. The tools sold at Harbor Freight these days seem of higher quality than that old Buffalo brand socket set, but I try to get Craftsman or better. Scott B. (must be winter, if we're down to talking about tools. Is it time for The Great Transmission Debate again?) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:54 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 8 08:58:45 2013 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> I have a set of socket wrenches that I bought at Penney's over 40 years ago. I bought them because they were about 10-15% less than the Craftsman brand. They had the same lifetime guarantee as Sears. Unfortunately, they stopped selling tools in the early '80s. Still work great, other than the 7/16 that some got lost under the carpet of the Spit for about 20 years. A Snap-On found on the race track replaced that. As for Harbor Freight and other el cheapo tools, I will buy them as a one time deal for limited jobs. But when they need replacing, I try to buy quality. I bought a cheap tap and die set years ago. As the original wear out, they get replaced with good stuff. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:54 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US > General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand name "Stradivarius" . My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on it. At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their name. TeriAnn If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have learned how to turn a wrench. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jan 8 09:06:40 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tools Message-ID: <73D441C8376946E39464AD07AA5AA5F6@hpd530> TeriAnn, glad you weren't afraid to get your hands dirty and learn how to fix things! My kind of girl! (That's a compliment, not a sexist remark!) My first engine overhaul was my '64 Tempest, after reading many Hot Rod how-to-do-it articles. It came out OK, after a bit of help from a friend. Scott and Scott, I still have the complete set of sockets and box end wrenches from Wizard, Western Auto's brand, bought in the late '50's. They hang on the same board that I nailed to the wall, as a ten year old, in our new garage, built in '59! They still get used, especially on my old Farmalls. There were many little-known tool brands produced in that era, mostly good quality. When buying pliers, there's only one brand and they're made 15 miles south of me in Meadville, PA. Blue handles. I have friends who work there. Channellock. They have a new set of MIG welding pliers out, far superior to the import stuff. And not horribly expensive. Funny, if you go to China Freight, their brand of pliers is hanging on the display rack. Channellocks are locked in a cabinet! We're supposed to have some nice weather for a few days, fairly warm. Time to go pull the engine in the TR6 and overhaul it. Off to the garage............ Cheers, Bill From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 8 09:37:21 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:37:21 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Split seals TR 3-4 In-Reply-To: <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <007a01cdedbe$6f6f80c0$4e4e8240$@com> Hi guys, how things are going? I would like to thank all people for purchasing my Viton seal solution in the past. I never thought that this type of crank seal might become such a big deal in Triumph cars and racing. Now the number of 250 seals are sold and I think most of them are now implanted to Triumph or Morgan cars. How cool is that? I also would like to thank Joe Alexander for his effort to keep this project going and making excellent suggestions to improve this solution. As usual he stocks the Viton seals for the USA/Canada market. At the moment the Viton seal is asked as never before. The last two weeks I sold 15 kits all about Europe mostly UK. I'm pleased to see that and had so far only two complaints. The first one said, the seal was leaking badly after mounting. A replacement was dry. The other one didn't check his flywheel bolt length and the 4 bolts ripped the Viton seal to bits. Bad luck for that. All 248 other seals seem to work okay as I had no bad feedback so far, only emails with good results. So I'm happy if people have now a leak free race car and fun on the tracks. Cheers Chris From igofaster at att.net Tue Jan 8 09:41:03 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:41:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> Message-ID: <1357663263.87910.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> being a tool guy all my life (not just a tool) I remember the Japanese company that had a company in USA Japan.... I think they we're told to cease and desist... BGW ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: Bobby Whitehead ; FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, January 7, 2013 11:29:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. My tools go back 45 years, a combination of Craftsman, MAC, Snap On, Proto, and other quality brands. And Lincoln welders. Life's too short to buy cheap tools. Or cheap bikes. Or in the old days, cheap beer! Ya gets what ya pays for. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight > I'm not a big fan of buying stuff made in China but Harbor Freight has a sale >in > my area of N. Texas this week.... the U.S. General (U.S.?) four drawer tool >cart > 580lb capacity is a real good deal at $99.99 ... I use one like it in my car > hauler / garage.. also a 3 ton jack stand set is $15.99 ... cheap enough if you > own several Triumphs like me, one or two is always in the air.. not mentioned > but a purchase I made a few months back was a nice set of car dollys.. I've got > my Spitwad rolling around in the garage on those... wish I had bought those > years ago... you can push the car over into the tightest spaces... > Now these are toys for men and women and there has been a bunch of backlash >from > toys in China painted with lead base paint... but as adults we should know not > to lick our Chinese tools... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 09:51:40 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:51:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> Message-ID: <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> Richard, I measured 2.52 inches on both sets of 1 1/4 carbs I have. Glad to see you doing more Spitfire parts. How bout a LSD next. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Richard Good wrote: > I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two > bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to > center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and > have none to measure. > > Thanks, > Richard Good _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 10:21:03 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 12:21:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530>, <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC>, <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> Message-ID: I second the motion :) Marty > From: levilevi at comcast.net > To: goodparts at verizon.net > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:51:40 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] carb bolt pattern > > Richard, > > I measured 2.52 inches on both sets of 1 1/4 carbs I have. Glad to see > you doing more Spitfire parts. How bout a LSD next. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Richard Good wrote: > > > I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two > > bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to > > center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and > > have none to measure. > > > > Thanks, > > Richard Good _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jan 8 10:38:24 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:38:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <37246ED617AE475389FED3D14D9CB81B@gdhs.local> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530><50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com><82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8123B1@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <37246ED617AE475389FED3D14D9CB81B@gdhs.local> Message-ID: As far as hand tools are concerned, I stay with my Craftsman, Snap-On, MAC etc, but I have discovered that electric tools such as grinders, Sawsalls, sanders and so forth are all made in China (even the name brands) and don't last very long. So my purchasing strategy is to buy the cheapest one knowing that I will have to buy another one when it breaks. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:40 AM To: 'Barr, Scott'; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight No debate from me, I learned my lesson the last time I brought it up! From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Jan 8 11:20:41 2013 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:20:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] carb bolt pattern In-Reply-To: <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <8882A188D0744D53BE9D4277AE9A6983@AdminPC> <326DB8EF-7BD1-4065-B84A-2A7082A728DF@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your help. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Bud R To: Richard Good Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] carb bolt pattern Richard, I measured 2.52 inches on both sets of 1 1/4 carbs I have. Glad to see you doing more Spitfire parts. How bout a LSD next. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Richard Good wrote: I understand the 1-1/4 SU's used on early Spitfire mount with two bolts straight up and down. Can anyone tell me the exact center to center bolt spacing? I need to make a manifold to fit this carb and have none to measure. Thanks, Richard Good _______________________________________________ From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 8 12:53:50 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:53:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Split seals TR 3-4 In-Reply-To: <007a01cdedbe$6f6f80c0$4e4e8240$@com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <007a01cdedbe$6f6f80c0$4e4e8240$@com> Message-ID: <8CFBBF10310566D-1980-28DC3@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> FOT: After two years of sales of this product designed by Chris Marx, it has become a proven product. I have been passing these components through at my cost to support the project, and I am not at all unhappy I have done this. Chris has turned production of the seals over to another company that has huge buying power. Chris has also worked with this company to produce the split scroll seal to the Viton Seal specifications. This is far preferable over remanufacturing and modifying the old scroll seals. (A large pain in my A**). So the cost of the seal has gone down and the cost of the new scroll has gone up. That all being said, I have the new VITON SEALS, the new SCROLLS, and the CENTERING TOOLS all on the shelf. I will be rethinking the pricing as I sometimes have a couple of thousand in inventory and it's time I made some profit on these. They will still be lower cost than you can get them from Europe or in the U.S. My pleasure. I currently have five scrolls on the shelf, if anyone needs a kit or individual components, please contact me. Best Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 10:37 am Subject: [Fot] Split seals TR 3-4 Hi guys, how things are going? I would like to thank all people for purchasing my Viton seal solution in the past. I never thought that this type of crank seal might become such a big deal in Triumph cars and racing. Now the number of 250 seals are sold and I think most of them are now implanted to Triumph or Morgan cars. How cool is that? I also would like to thank Joe Alexander for his effort to keep this project going and making excellent suggestions to improve this solution. As usual he stocks the Viton seals for the USA/Canada market. At the moment the Viton seal is asked as never before. The last two weeks I sold 15 kits all about Europe mostly UK. I'm pleased to see that and had so far only two complaints. The first one said, the seal was leaking badly after mounting. A replacement was dry. The other one didn't check his flywheel bolt length and the 4 bolts ripped the Viton seal to bits. Bad luck for that. All 248 other seals seem to work okay as I had no bad feedback so far, only emails with good results. So I'm happy if people have now a leak free race car and fun on the tracks. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Jan 8 13:51:27 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:51:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] ref: contact cline Message-ID: <8CFBBF90EA1CC1A-1124-288CB@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Amici, For those looking to contact Ric Cline with questions about his Camshafts and their availability -- Email at : rcline369 at aol.com Cheers, Bob T From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 8 18:01:45 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:01:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] uncle jack THE TRIUMPH STAG making an appearance at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <8CFBC1131C37D7B-1980-2B5F7@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBC1131C37D7B-1980-2B5F7@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFBC1C076F37B3-1980-2BD72@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Sometime ago, I invited "uncle jack" to come to the 11th Running of the Kastner Cup. For you that are unfamiliar with the story, this Stag is named for our late Friend, Jack Drews. The ISOA did a complete and total restoration of a TRIUMPH STAG for Jon Macartney's 10,000 mile or so trek around North America in a non-profit charity effort for PSTD. Following the TOUR the Stag known as 'uncle jack' was auctioned off and the winning bid was submitted by PHIL ETHIER, of St. Paul, MN. Phil and his wife will be bringing 'uncle jack' to spend the weekend with us and will assume some important duties during the weekend. Some one may decide to call a meeting of the SINGLE MALT SOCIETY, that being one of Jack's favorite adult beverages. (the only requirement for membership is a shot of single malt in your hand for a toast to 'uncle jack'. It's part of what we are about. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 9 08:47:04 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:47:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 Message-ID: Hi, Car: TR6, non-vintage, current Solo car in SCCA. I'm going through my "list" for 2013 and one of the things that has come up again is tire availability... Goodyear has pulled out of Solo, so I can only get cantilever slicks from Hoosier or at least that's where my search has gone so far. A lot of the "fast guys" are running 16 inch rims along with non-cantilever slicks from pretty much every manufacturer. Some of the faster guys are switching to Avon. In fact, Avon pulled in some trophies at Nationals in 2012, so they look "promising". I'll eventually talk to the guys at Roger Krauss about the Avons, but even so, there are a lot more choices in the non-cantilever category slicks out there... So, this is a long way of asking: When I switch to 16 inch rims and non-cantilever tires, I have to get 16 x 10 rims because of the tire choices. I know the the interference of of the upper control arm is less of an issue, but there's limited space on the rear trailing arm - so I have to be careful what I get for wheels as far as offset. Can anyone provide some guidance numbers for proper wheel sizing when switching to 16 rims? I figure I need a -24mm offset maybe more. Any comments? I realize that I'll need custom wheels for this. I need some pointers there. I only know about Kieser at this point. Methinks: "this could get expensive" It also makes me think - road racing might be "cheaper". :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 10:34:48 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:34:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? Message-ID: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this next season. I want to definitely work towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 9 10:47:16 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:47:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 In-Reply-To: <8CFBC9C08BB679E-C24-2F081@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBC9C08BB679E-C24-2F081@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, Joe Alexander wrote: > Perhaps the time has come for you to join us with road racing. Exactly. Or not. FWIW, I got shot down on my SCCA medical clearance, so I guess I need to be "less candid" in my next attempt. ;-) > A modest approach could be very satisfying to you as it has been with > Mr. Tobin. The operative is "modest". I seem to have a problem with that. "Overkill" is more my usual approach. Although I seem to be "maturing" in that respect. > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 9 11:38:49 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:38:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBCAFB2EEDBBC-C24-30C62@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Lots of good questions. Des Moines Valley Region does not seem to be a bad place to explore for information. Google MIDWEST COUNCIL OF SPORTS CAR CLUBS and review their website. They primarily operate out of BLACKHAWK FARMS RACEWAY. They conduct both autocross and wheel to wheel schools on the road racing track. They have been in existence since the 50s and have it all down pretty well. We are targeting a school in the spring for a combination of things....sorting out reconstruction of the TR4, possible refresher for me, and possibly getting credentials for G'son Brendan. You might join us there. Also look at VSCDA.org for a purely vintage organization. Lot's of information there. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this next season. I want to definitely work towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Jan 9 12:03:19 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:03:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bb01cdee9b$ffb0a280$ff11e780$@aero> Shawn: Speaking only for myself; I feel an SCCA card is a good thing. I have been competing in SCCA Solo with two Spits for several years and recently went through the same sort of questions you are asking. The bottom line is a Spitfire 1500 can be a competitive solo car in F Street Prepared [FSP]. That is a national class that has large entry numbers at most SCCA National Tour, Championship and ProSolo events and you will need a SCCA card to enter. Safety requirements in solo are less stringent; you should plan to install a basic roll bar with harness bar and a good 4 or 5 point harness. SA 2005 or 2010 helmets are needed but a HANS device is not. [not yet?] Fuel cells and fire systems are also not required. As for road racing in SCCA that is a different ball game. A late spit can run in the Grand Touring class as well as the Improved touring without huge modifications like those in the Production class. You will have to check with your local chapter as to what classes they run in your region. You will still require a full cage, fuel cell, racing seat, fire system, HANS....ect. All the information is in the new January 2013 GCR which is available for download off the SCCA club racing page. There is yet another option: SCCA Vintage Racing. Again, you will have to check with your local chapter as to what classes/races, if any, are run in your region. There is a separate SCCA Vintage Racing GCR. My advice would be to mod the car for FSP solo and run as many events as you can while doing some track days/driving schools. Plan to attend Solo Nationals in the fall! Other folks on this list will be much more knowledgeable than I with respect to other vintage clubs/series such as HSR or SVRA. Feel free to contact me off line if you have any questions wrt SCCA Solo in your Spit. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:35 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this next season. I want to definitely work towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Jan 9 12:17:56 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:17:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00bf01cdee9e$0e81e650$2b85b2f0$@aero> I can't comment of the wheels but I have been running the Hoosier A6s on my '62 Spit Solo GP car. Once you get some heat into them they are unbeatable. Some cars seem to work better on a smaller wheel so this might work for you. Robert -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:47 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 16 Inch Rims on TR6 Hi, Car: TR6, non-vintage, current Solo car in SCCA. I'm going through my "list" for 2013 and one of the things that has come up again is tire availability... Goodyear has pulled out of Solo, so I can only get cantilever slicks from Hoosier or at least that's where my search has gone so far. A lot of the "fast guys" are running 16 inch rims along with non-cantilever slicks from pretty much every manufacturer. Some of the faster guys are switching to Avon. In fact, Avon pulled in some trophies at Nationals in 2012, so they look "promising". I'll eventually talk to the guys at Roger Krauss about the Avons, but even so, there are a lot more choices in the non-cantilever category slicks out there... So, this is a long way of asking: When I switch to 16 inch rims and non-cantilever tires, I have to get 16 x 10 rims because of the tire choices. I know the the interference of of the upper control arm is less of an issue, but there's limited space on the rear trailing arm - so I have to be careful what I get for wheels as far as offset. Can anyone provide some guidance numbers for proper wheel sizing when switching to 16 rims? I figure I need a -24mm offset maybe more. Any comments? I realize that I'll need custom wheels for this. I need some pointers there. I only know about Kieser at this point. Methinks: "this could get expensive" It also makes me think - road racing might be "cheaper". :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 9 12:33:03 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:33:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <8CFBCAFB2EEDBBC-C24-30C62@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFBCAFB2EEDBBC-C24-30C62@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Shawn, Yes, In my opinion, Midwestern Council, as Joe says, will likely be your best introduction and source for the journey you are embarking on. You would most likely even have a FoT member as your instructor. I'm heavy involved in MCSCC, Racer, race chair, Board member... etc. Great group of people. Provides many types of high speed track events.. autocross and wheel to wheel. >From both a fun and competition standpoint you will really like the options offered for a 1500 spit. We have 2 drivers school weekends..in April and August. This is a Points Championship Series for all classes except vintage. We have a total of about 10 race weekend events at various tracks in the Midwest such as Blackhawk Farms, Road America, Gingerman, Grattan, Milwaukee Mile. A Midwestern Council Full Competition Licence allows you racing privileges just about anywhere. Let me know if you are interested anytime and I'll hook you up with help you will need. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jhd11 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 13:09:58 2013 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:09:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1357752888.28203.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shawn, I have been a SCCA member for a long time and have been Club Racing for a while. Different feel at a SCCA race than vintage but both are fun. Roll Cage info can be found in the GCR and I am pretty sure most if not all vintage groups will accept a SCCA cage. If you are going wheel to wheel racing I would rethink driving my car to the track! I am not saying it is not possible in some classes but there are a number of modifications that would help a race car that are not street legal. Also in wheel to wheel racing, any wheel to wheel racing, stuff happens and things break. Being several hundred miles from home with your only means of transportation "on the hook" would not be a good feeling! Reconsider this strongly! Limiting your participation to autocross is another matter. HANS will be required for wheel to wheel and a 5 point harness. 5 point would also be useful in autocross. You have a wonderful source of knowledge here in this group. Be sure to use it and HAVE FUN! Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:34:48 -0800 > From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? > > I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an > 80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my > racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to > dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead > of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage > that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for > things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different > racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans > device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different > faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that > possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being > a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this > next season. I want to definitely work > towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door > racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these > questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the > time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhd11 at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 9 14:41:10 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:41:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points for the cross member. He is exactly right. Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master welder/fabricator. We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is happening with frame. There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free ride to medical, as well. Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a close inspection. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Jan 9 17:07:27 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:07:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 1:41:51 PM Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE FOT: I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points for the cross member. He is exactly right. Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master welder/fabricator. We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is happening with frame. There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free ride to medical, as well. Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a close inspection. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 17:52:17 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (my71spit13) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:52:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? Message-ID: Thank you all for the advice and I appreciate the heads up on where to look for info I need. This year will be strictly an autocross year. I will use it to collect as much info as possible and advance my car with each race towards a club racer. As soon as that time comes, the car will no longer be street legal so it can be a racer for real. I have a 71 Spitfire road car that I want to keep my baby, so this will be the year to really mess with things like putting a 1300 in the 80 racer from a MK3 Spitfire and different options for suspension, camber compensators (which I know nothing about yet) and exhaust options, etc. I can't wait! I am so excited to move forward on this, because since I was a kid, I have wanted to race, and specifically a British car. That's what it's all about, chasing our childhood, huh? Thanks again, everyone. I absolutely love this group!...Shawn Shawn Frank wrote: >I went to the DMVR SCCA meeting last night, and will be solo auto crossing an >80 Spitfire and soaking in all the info I can to work towards getting my >racing license and becoming a club racer. I am new to this, and don't want to >dive in too deep just yet. It will be nice to have a specific race car instead >of using my road car Spitfire. I need to find an info source for a roll cage >that I need to pass inspection for SCCA rules. Is it the same regulations for >things like the Kastner Cup? Is it a standard spec throughout the different >racing factions? Do I need to go all out with 5 point harnesses and a hans >device? Is the SCCA a good place to start, or should I get in to a different >faction? I would like to be able to drive the racer to the track. Is that >possible to have a street legal racer that still has the proper spec for being >a club racer? Like I said, I am new to this and am excited to start off this >next season. I want to definitely work > towards actual track time instead of parking lots and cones. Door to door >racing is much more appealing to me. Can anyone help with any of these >questions or have suggestions for a rookie like me? Thank you for the >time...Shawn Frank Des Moines, IA 515-339-4228 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/my71spit13 at yahoo.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu Jan 10 02:28:42 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:28:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <57D55F0D-C668-4E1B-A688-AA2B05CD8D31@virgin.net> Joe It's worth taking a look at the sort of modifications that we do to the TR4 chassis for rallying. Clearly the sump guards and belly plates etc which are there to protect vital things from flying rocks and damage from heavy landings and two wheel adventure are not required, however the reinforcement work is all done to preserve the integrity of the frame and proven by my gentle driving. In terms of the front suspension and towers; even the Works Rally TR4s which were nowhere as tough as say my TR4 Beastie had a number of filleted plates added on the joints and corners, all sides filled in on anything that looked like a box, the main cross member plated up with another 3mm of steel and the welded joints all reinforced using triangular fillets. You should all be doing this as the majority of cracking and failures are due to fatigue, not from impact loadings. Bear in mind that with one exception you are adding very small segments of 2mm thick steel, so weight gain is a few months of not eating at macDonalds. If anyone wants I have a bare TR4 chassis on the ramp that is in be process of being repaired and taken from 1960's Works spec to 2013 Tony spec right now, so can give you chapter and verse with pictures. Best regards and Happy New Year to you all. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 9 Jan 2013, at 21:41, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are > reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points > for the cross member. He is exactly right. > > Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. > > This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something > amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to > moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master > welder/fabricator. > > We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but > finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for > the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. > > All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was > showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. > > Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is > happening with frame. > > There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed > something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. > Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free > ride to medical, as well. > > Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a > close inspection. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 10 04:40:00 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:40:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? Cheers Chris From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Jan 10 04:47:10 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:47:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> Good question. The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous rusty project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire need of attention. I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas Joe mentioned. Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close inspections between race weekends. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu Jan 10 05:31:12 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:31:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> Message-ID: <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> Chris I'd be very surprised if you have no fatigue cracking on a standard chassis after 50 years - you must have prepared it very well, but I'm sure a soft suspension assists greatly. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:40, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 10 05:37:34 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:37:34 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> Message-ID: <000601cdef2f$45e37b90$d1aa72b0$@com> To say the truth - I've never done anything to the frame since I own the car (22 years now). I do run stock leave springs at rear and at front coil springs from the MGB GT 1800. I check the frame every season and found nothing so far. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: TR4 Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2013 13:31 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Chris I'd be very surprised if you have no fatigue cracking on a standard chassis after 50 years - you must have prepared it very well, but I'm sure a soft suspension assists greatly. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:40, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Jan 10 06:37:31 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:37:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] COLLECTION OF MG'S AND TRIUMPH PROJECT CARS Message-ID: While searching parts for a MGB, came aross this. While I'm at it..WTD ! left Front fender for a 68-69 MGB plus I need the Inner fender/stucture (LF) . I would consider a Ft Clip. http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/3533971276.html CheersTony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 10 07:50:52 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:50:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, sherry robyn wrote: > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? Speaking from personal experience - YES!!! I had a shock tower fail during practice for a national tour event. The metal split near the top of the box that forms the mount for the upper crossmember and the upper fulcrum pin mount peeled back a lot. I was lucky that the result was nothing more than a camber gain of 10 or 15 degrees!!! Also, watch where the square tube brace that angles down to the frame butts. That was cracked on both sides, maybe because of the other failure, but coincident to it. And I was doing frame checks fairly often. Now I do them after every event. I'm with Joe on this - RATCO is a good alternative!!! regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 10 07:58:43 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:58:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBD5A1E0B037E-1C34-1670@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> I have been to RATCO and worked with Tony Vigliotti on a couple projects.....1ST CLASS Square tube that trails down to frame: We did a lateral square tube to support this weldment area and redid....20 yrs ago. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Lang To: sherry robyn Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, sherry robyn wrote: > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? Speaking from personal experience - YES!!! I had a shock tower fail during practice for a national tour event. The metal split near the top of the box that forms the mount for the upper crossmember and the upper fulcrum pin mount peeled back a lot. I was lucky that the result was nothing more than a camber gain of 10 or 15 degrees!!! Also, watch where the square tube brace that angles down to the frame butts. That was cracked on both sides, maybe because of the other failure, but coincident to it. And I was doing frame checks fairly often. Now I do them after every event. I'm with Joe on this - RATCO is a good alternative!!! regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 10 08:01:28 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:01:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, my71spit13 wrote: [stuff deleted] > each race towards a club racer. As soon as that time comes, the car will > no longer be street legal so it can be a racer for real. I have a 71 This is just a point of information... I know it sounds trite, but autocrossers are "real racers" too. Granted autocross is different, but it's no less intense and there equal (for the most part) preparation. Actually, autocross is even more of a mental sport than road racing because you need to stay so focused. It's also good preparation for road racing because you learn the mental aspects as well as the car control - that's why some autocrossers transistion to road racers so well. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 08:04:59 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com>, <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com>, <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: It is also not uncommon to find the welds cracked on the brackets that the steering rack attaches to on the TR6. Marty > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:50:52 -0500 > From: lang at isis.mit.edu > To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, sherry robyn wrote: > > > Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > > Speaking from personal experience - YES!!! > > I had a shock tower fail during practice for a national tour event. The > metal split near the top of the box that forms the mount for the > upper crossmember and the upper fulcrum pin mount peeled back a lot. I was > lucky that the result was nothing more than a camber gain of 10 or 15 > degrees!!! > > Also, watch where the square tube brace that angles down to the frame > butts. That was cracked on both sides, maybe because of the other failure, > but coincident to it. And I was doing frame checks fairly often. Now I do > them after every event. > > I'm with Joe on this - RATCO is a good alternative!!! > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 10 08:24:24 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:24:24 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> <319ADDC3-8B8C-4A03-BC99-27CA49600583@virgin.net> Message-ID: <001a01cdef46$93373370$b9a59a50$@com> Another idea...maybe I'm too gentle with my car? ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: TR4 Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2013 13:31 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Chris I'd be very surprised if you have no fatigue cracking on a standard chassis after 50 years - you must have prepared it very well, but I'm sure a soft suspension assists greatly. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:40, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 08:33:48 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:33:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1357832028.71302.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I meant no disrespect to autocrossers. Anyone who jumps into a car, mashes the pedal to the floor, and feels in control while sliding the car where they want is a "true racer". I absolutely fell in love with autocrossing only being out a couple times. It has sparked something in me that I want to not only chase, but overtake. I was meaning "real racing" being with a race specific car. The autocrossing still allows me to build on the car, try things out, and do it right, while honing skills needed that I don't have but am willing to learn. I am not a guy who thinks their way is the best. I am literally soaking it all in. Between this group of collaborated knowledge and skill, to the forums about my car, I have been learning a lot and am itching to get out there to see what I've learned so far. I am excited about being an auto crosser...Shawn ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: my71spit13 Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] I'm joining the SCCA. Good or bad? On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, my71spit13 wrote: [stuff deleted] > each race towards a club racer. As soon as that time comes, the car will no longer be street legal so it can be a racer for real. I have a 71 This is just a point of information... I know it sounds trite, but autocrossers are "real racers" too. Granted autocross is different, but it's no less intense and there equal (for the most part) preparation. Actually, autocross is even more of a mental sport than road racing because you need to stay so focused. It's also good preparation for road racing because you learn the mental aspects as well as the car control - that's why some autocrossers transistion to road racers so well. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Jan 10 08:45:54 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:45:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Message-ID: <1106180180-1357832755-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-975607304-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Several years ago... When it came time to rebuild my car. I picked it up with a fork lift and power sprayed the bottom. Exposing cracks in the chassis frame. It was "DNR" I.e. Do Not Race ever. I dissasembled with plasma cutter, oxy acetaline, etc. @ the same time ordering a new chassis from RATCO. The chassis arrived. It was not perfect (very early product) but after some minor mods that Chuck Gee helped with we were in "buisiness". The only thing holding my car together w original chassis was the vintage 1967 roll bar . Btw the .120" wall thickness and 1.75 OD. Was Heavy and was used to stiffen the chassis. The RATCO did not require it. It's not cheap but an amazing. R.O.I. (Return on investment...). M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 09:16:43 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:16:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdef27$3a793f40$af6bbdc0$@com> Message-ID: In my spare time, I am building a TR4 daily driver. I got a street car frame from another FOT member. It looked good and is in very good shape. When I had it media blasted, I found cracks on the frame around lower wishbone mounting brackets, cross member, and near the motor mounts. Keep in mind that this is a stock TR4 frame not subjected to the stresses of racing. Had I not had it media blasted, I would never have seen these. Now it is primed and painted with Eastwood Chassis Black. The build begins.. Just places for you to look in your spare time... Ty #413 TR4 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 10, 2013, at 4:40 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > So far I had at my car no crack after 8 years of racing. > I run a soft suspension maybe that's why? > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 10:01:51 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <57D55F0D-C668-4E1B-A688-AA2B05CD8D31@virgin.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <57D55F0D-C668-4E1B-A688-AA2B05CD8D31@virgin.net> Message-ID: <692518E6-4C1B-4E3D-A6B5-8EB658352D61@comcast.net> Since we're talking chassis I'll offer up for sale an IRS TR4A bare frame that I have. Looks like I'm getting out of the TR4A business as I've already sold the TR4A wreck I had and I'm in the process of trading the Project (below) for an RV to use for pulling the Spit to vintage races this year and MAYBE to Wisconsin in September. Pics are available. The frame is solid (Jim Gray can testify) but I haven't really checked it for any of the cracks being talked about so I can't guarantee that it doesn't have any. Make me an offer. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 10, 2013, at 2:28 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > Joe > > It's worth taking a look at the sort of modifications that we do to > the TR4 > chassis for rallying. > > Clearly the sump guards and belly plates etc which are there to > protect vital > things from flying rocks and damage from heavy landings and two wheel > adventure are not required, however the reinforcement work is all > done to > preserve the integrity of the frame and proven by my gentle driving. > > In terms of the front suspension and towers; even the Works Rally > TR4s which > were nowhere as tough as say my TR4 Beastie had a number of filleted > plates > added on the joints and corners, all sides filled in on anything > that looked > like a box, the main cross member plated up with another 3mm of > steel and the > welded joints all reinforced using triangular fillets. You should > all be doing > this as the majority of cracking and failures are due to fatigue, > not from > impact loadings. > > Bear in mind that with one exception you are adding very small > segments of 2mm > thick steel, so weight gain is a few months of not eating at > macDonalds. > > If anyone wants I have a bare TR4 chassis on the ramp that is in be > process of > being repaired and taken from 1960's Works spec to 2013 Tony spec > right now, > so can give you chapter and verse with pictures. > > Best regards and Happy New Year to you all. > > Tony > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 9 Jan 2013, at 21:41, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> FOT: >> >> I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing >> that we are >> reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and >> anchor points >> for the cross member. He is exactly right. >> >> Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention >> to it. >> >> This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected > something >> amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. >> That led to >> moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master >> welder/fabricator. >> >> We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, >> but >> finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor >> points > for >> the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed >> and torn. >> >> All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x- >> member > was >> showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. >> >> Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better >> see what > is >> happening with frame. >> >> There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We > noticed >> something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in >> 2012. >> Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. >> Perhaps a > free >> ride to medical, as well. >> >> Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good >> time to do > a >> close inspection. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 10:15:01 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <598710959.2059643.1357838101519.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I had to repair lower front suspension point cracks on my TR3 frame that were not evident until I had it media blasted and started grinding on it, read started grinding on it. The shock tower diagonals looked good too, until blasting revealed pin holes on the lower end. A center punch went through the rusty metal with ease. These frames rust from the inside out. Grinding particles from the cutting of the diagonal gathered around the cracks in the frame and only then did they became obvious. Had I not seen the pin holes, the frame would have been painted and reassembled. Instead, I went through an exhaustive process of strengthening and gusseting many areas of importance. I even welded extra tubing inside the body outriggers creating more substantial roll cage mounts. My car has been out of service since 1975, so that's a mere 15 years of use before this type of frame failure occurred and my car has only lived in California. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 1:41:10 PM Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE FOT: I got a nice email from Henry Frye this morning. Henry, knowing that we are reworking our TR4, pointed to inspecting the shock towers and anchor points for the cross member. He is exactly right. Although most everyone understands this, it bears drawing attention to it. This is why we are totally dismantling the TR4. Sean and I detected something amiss with the front suspension as we discussed winter storage. That led to moving the chassis to Niehaus Restorations. Keith is a master welder/fabricator. We did some gusseting twenty years ago that helped for a long time, but finally the shock towers were exhibiting large cracks. The anchor points for the cross member is light gauge sheet metal and they were crushed and torn. All of this was fixed and reinforced with better materials. The x-member was showing rust and fatigue so it was redone. Sean painted the frame in an industrial grey so that we can better see what is happening with frame. There has been some on track frame failures with TRs in the past. We noticed something going on when #197 came off the track the last race in 2012. Ignoring it would have resulted in a serious failure in 2013. Perhaps a free ride to medical, as well. Anyway, unless you are investing in a RATCO frame, this is a good time to do a close inspection. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 10 10:18:34 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:18:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE Message-ID: <2e449.1aee7319.3e2051e9@cs.com> we would like to see you come regardless of whether you race or not. there are a lot of interesting people coming that are not racing...you would be one of them. > Since we're talking chassis I'll offer up for sale an IRS TR4A bare frame > that I have. Looks like I'm getting out of the TR4A business as I've > already sold the TR4A wreck I had and I'm in the process of trading the Project > (below) for an RV to use for pulling the Spit to vintage races this year > and MAYBE to Wisconsin in September. From jmwagner at greenheart.com Thu Jan 10 10:36:15 2013 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:36:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1323A6B2-25FA-43EF-B545-82CCEE401430@greenheart.com> I recall in the late 80's a friend of mine had a problem with his street TR6 and I offered to slide under the car and see if I could figure out what was wrong... It was dark under there, but with a small dim work light, I quickly figured out that one of the long studs that the differential hangs from had snapped loose from the frame... ...but the horror came as I panned the little light around and looked at his frame... It was much like a submersible cam panning by an old Civil War Iron clad... peering through the big gaping holes in the wreck, your imagination takes over and you wonder if you're going to see the skeletons of the sailors that went down with the ship... I wasn't quite sure why his car hadn't simply collapsed already.... This was in California, but he had shipped his car from New Jersey.... --Justin On Jan 10, 2013, at 3:47 AM, wrote: > Good question. > > The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than > the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous rusty > project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and > 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, > 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come > across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire > need of attention. > > I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder > and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more > robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess > that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas > Joe mentioned. > > Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's > racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You > need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with > something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close > inspections between race weekends. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sherry robyn" > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > >> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Jan 10 11:26:54 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:26:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> I don't think anyone mentioned that the IRS cars are notorious for weakness in the mounts for the differential and the brackets up front where the lower A arms mount. These usually fail without the added stresses of racing. I did a frame off restoration of my TR250 last year. It has resided in Oklahoma (a relatively dry state) and been garaged for all but its first 6 years. It body was relatively rust free as Triumphs go (solid floors, etc). After repairing and reinforcing the usual problem areas, I noticed a very small pinhole on the bottom near the center (called the T-shirt) area. The thin metal was only a few square inches and may have been partially because it had scraped bottom there at some point. Since these frames rust from the inside, I wonder how many are out there with thin metal, which has not yet rusted all the way through? It seems that a visual inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing device which could be used to check it over. Larry On 1/10/2013 5:47 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Good question. > > The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than > the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous ru > project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and > 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, > 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come > across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire > need of attention. > > I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder > and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more > robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess > that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas > Joe mentioned. > A > Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's > racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You > need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with > something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close > inspections between race weekends. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sherry robyn" > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > >> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From gaf3 at charter.net Thu Jan 10 11:41:14 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:41:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <50EF0B4A.7090508@charter.net> I have fixed a number of these IRS frames and reinforced and welded them back together. For the most part you can still get the cruciform plates and the outriggers pieces for the rear control arms. I always put a gusset top and bottom in that area. The biggest problem I have had of late has been cars with the tube shock conversions or "Break Me Here Brackets". They fracture and break off the shock/rear diff cross member. Replacement cross members are very hard to locate. I developed a brace to over come that and have installed it on many club members cars. My sonic test for a rusty frame is a good body shop pick hammer or similar. Midwest and Eastern frames disintegrate at the sight of one of those. Cut out the rusty area and replace with suitable thickness flat sheet ( I use .085" sheet as original). Glenn On 1/10/2013 1:26 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I don't think anyone mentioned that the IRS cars are notorious for > weakness in the mounts for the differential and the brackets up front > where the lower A arms mount. These usually fail without the added > stresses of racing. I did a frame off restoration of my TR250 last > year. It has resided in Oklahoma (a relatively dry state) and been > garaged for all but its first 6 years. It body was relatively rust > free as Triumphs go (solid floors, etc). After repairing and > reinforcing the usual problem areas, I noticed a very small pinhole > on the bottom near the center (called the T-shirt) area. The thin > metal was only a few square inches and may have been partially because > it had scraped bottom there at some point. Since these frames rust > from the inside, I wonder how many are out there with thin metal, > which has not yet rusted all the way through? It seems that a visual > inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing > device which could be used to check it over. > Larry From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Thu Jan 10 12:15:23 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:15:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1357845323.49111.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tapping with a hammer would probably tell you a whole lot. Jim ________________________________ From: Larry Young To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, January 10, 2013 10:27:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE I don't think anyone mentioned that the IRS cars are notorious for weakness in the mounts for the differential and the brackets up front where the lower A arms mount. These usually fail without the added stresses of racing. I did a frame off restoration of my TR250 last year. It has resided in Oklahoma (a relatively dry state) and been garaged for all but its first 6 years. It body was relatively rust free as Triumphs go (solid floors, etc). After repairing and reinforcing the usual problem areas, I noticed a very small pinhole on the bottom near the center (called the T-shirt) area. The thin metal was only a few square inches and may have been partially because it had scraped bottom there at some point. Since these frames rust from the inside, I wonder how many are out there with thin metal, which has not yet rusted all the way through? It seems that a visual inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing device which could be used to check it over. Larry On 1/10/2013 5:47 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Good question. > > The ladder frames under the TR2-TR4 seem to be much more rust resistant than > the wishbone frames under the TR4A-TR6. I have come across numerous ru > project cars over the years, and have seen plenty of rusted out TR3's and > 4's with what appear to be good frames, but I have never seen a rusty TR4A, > 250 or 6 that did not need extensive frame work. I should add I have come > across plenty of nice wishbone framed Triumphs sitting on frames in dire > need of attention. > > I know the spring towers and cross members are different between the ladder > and wishbone frames, and I believe the newer wishbone frame design is more > robust. However, because of their propensity for rust, I'd venture a guess > that the wishbone framed cars share the probability of failure in the areas > Joe mentioned. > A > Remember, the stess we put on these cars running them on track with today's > racing tires is way beyond what the designers ever dreamed possible. You > need to reinforce many key areas, keep the frame clean, paint it with > something that will not hide cracks, and be very diligent with close > inspections between race weekends. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sherry robyn" > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE > > >> Do TR6s (1974) have this weakness also? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 12:35:32 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:35:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> Message-ID: <50EF1804.2080403@comcast.net> Ultrasonic Thickness testers are available. I've used one for work on several occasions. A quick internet search didn't find anything under $1000. Unfortunately, Harbor Freight hasn't come up with a cheapo version yet. On 1/10/2013 10:26 AM, Larry Young wrote: It seems that a visual inspection is not sufficient. Is there some sort of sonic testing device which could be used to check it over. From donmarshall at nefcom.net Thu Jan 10 15:24:37 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:24:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale Message-ID: A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on sale at Autozone for half price and was kind enough to post it to the FOT list. I loaded up at the time but am just about out and would dearly love to stock up again. I suspect that there are others who would like to do the same. I have made it a practice to check the oil shelves any time I'm in any auto parts store just in case there's a sale going on, but have yet to find it again. If anyone happens to see such a sale, please make sure to let us all know. Oil isn't the most expensive racing part out there but every little bit helps. Thanks, Don From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 15:44:34 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:44:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1357857874.2317.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I use VR1 also, and will let you all know if there is a sale going on at any of the national chains I go to...Shawn Frank ________________________________ From: Don Marshall To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:24 PM Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on sale at Autozone for half price and was kind enough to post it to the FOT list. I loaded up at the time but am just about out and would dearly love to stock up again. I suspect that there are others who would like to do the same. I have made it a practice to check the oil shelves any time I'm in any auto parts store just in case there's a sale going on, but have yet to find it again. If anyone happens to see such a sale, please make sure to let us all know. Oil isn't the most expensive racing part out there but every little bit helps. Thanks, Don _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/my71spit13 at yahoo.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 10 16:06:50 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:06:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130110230651.Y9XN2.191089.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Thanks for reminding me! O'Reillys has (or had) VR1 synthetic on sale for $4.99 in the store, even though it doesn't appear for that price in any of their online ads. My local store was out when I was in there last week, but they said they should get more this week and the sale price was good until the 28th. I'm going to run over and stock up (if they have any). YMMV Randall ---- Don Marshall wrote: > A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on > sale at Autozone for half price From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 17:48:18 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Track Day Foolishness Message-ID: <1767942974.2307370.1357865298989.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Buckle up, turn up the sound and shake your head a this crashfest: Gary www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=IfHJCv_S6iI&NR=1 From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 18:32:41 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:32:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR CHASSIS FATIGUE - A CAUTIONARY TALE In-Reply-To: <50EF0B4A.7090508@charter.net> References: <8CFBCBEB99F6300-C24-31D6B@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com><8CFBCC92C94EEC0-C24-328FA@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1357776447.81982.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92208FE9178D415CBADD74E9CD34F663@TRIUMPH.local> <50EF07EE.2070200@pobox.com> <50EF0B4A.7090508@charter.net> Message-ID: I had exactly that happen to my TR6 on the way back from VTR2007 at Valley Forge. Ripped a piece right out of the cross member. Lucky to make it home. I welded the piece back and went back to my old lever arm Armstrongs rebuilt by Apple Hyd. to heavy duty. I think the mistake I made was not adjusting the bump stops so they would engage before the shock reached its limit. Once that happens it looks for the weak spot which seems to be that cross member. If I go back to the tube shocks I'll weld a 1 inch piece of square stock up in the cross member so that it becomes four sided instead of the stock three. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 10, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > The biggest problem I have had of late has been cars with the tube > shock conversions or "Break Me Here Brackets". > They fracture and break off the shock/rear diff cross member. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jan 11 01:22:53 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:22:53 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Track Day Foolishness In-Reply-To: <1767942974.2307370.1357865298989.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1767942974.2307370.1357865298989.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601cdefd4$db345e80$919d1b80$@com> Yep, the Nordschleife is not an easy playground. How it should be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tnLC9F5UQo :-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von vintage.racer at comcast.net Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2013 01:48 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Track Day Foolishness Buckle up, turn up the sound and shake your head a this crashfest: Gary www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=IfHJCv_S6iI&NR=1 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jan 11 05:06:28 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:06:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow open end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I ground it down. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:58 AM, "Doug Mitchell" wrote: > I have a set of socket wrenches that I bought at Penney's over 40 years ago. > I bought them because they > were about 10-15% less than the Craftsman brand. They had the same lifetime > guarantee as Sears. Unfortunately, > they stopped selling tools in the early '80s. Still work great, other than > the 7/16 that some got lost under the > carpet of the Spit for about 20 years. A Snap-On found on the race track > replaced that. > > As for Harbor Freight and other el cheapo tools, I will buy them as a one > time deal for limited jobs. But when they > need replacing, I try to buy quality. I bought a cheap tap and die set years > ago. As the original wear out, they get > replaced with good stuff. > > Doug > > -- > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:54 AM > To: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > On 1/7/13 10:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: >> Funny how "China Freight" always uses cutesy names for their stuff: US >> General, Chicago Hydraulics, etc. > After WWII and well into the 1960's Japanese products for export to the US > followed the same strategy. Provide a name that Americans would be > comfortable with that would give the impression of quality and reliability. > > Growing up my first sewing machine was made in Japan and carried the brand > name "Stradivarius" . > > My first tools were acquired on an as needed basis one at a time as I needed > to get something done when I could not afford a pro to perform the task. I > would go to a shop. They would diagnose the problem and give me an estimate > I could not afford. I would then go to the library and read everything I > could find about that part of a car. Then I would go to the parts store > and purchase the part. Then I would give it a go. Usually the process would > look more like a keystone comedy skit from the Lucille Ball show with me > accidentally taking off wrong parts, breaking things because I didn't know > how to use a tool properly or taking off too many parts. I once or twice > had a spark plug launch itself off the engine whilst driving down a road > because I didn't get it on tight enough. And of course by the time I stopped > work on a project I had more grease and grime on me than the vehicle had on > it. > > At first a car project would usually include multiple trips to purchase a > tool I did not have but perceived I needed for the next step of the project. > My first breaker bar, short extension and spark plug socket carried the > brand name "J.C. Penny". Yes Penny's used to sell tools that carried their > name. > > TeriAnn > If I'd had enough money back then to pay a mechanic I would never have > learned how to turn a wrench. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 13:35:52 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:35:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 Red #6 On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow open > end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I > ground it down. > > Sent from my iPhone From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 14:14:42 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:14:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Quality Control Issue Message-ID: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> FYI I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" overbored. While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag with #1 piston installed. With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and didn't see any issues. Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear just below the oil ring on the other side. After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE pistons not County on the way. Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the same batch at the same time before it was caught. These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with the babbit and copper. I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. Just thought I would provide a heads up. Glenn From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jan 11 14:40:28 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:40:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> Message-ID: <005e01cdf044$4639ae00$d2ad0a00$@rr.com> Most of the County piston products are NOW made in .......yep you guessed it; CHINA! They're cheap but you better check every possible dimension on them. Also inspect the casting quality for fractures. The days of quality parts are long gone. Many are not willing to pay for quality so there's no demand for good parts, just cheap prices. Sad but I too remember being able to open bearings up and also Hepolite A/E piston boxes and they were superior to what is offered today. The new motto is, "You get what you pay for..........and then only if you're lucky!" Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:15 PM To: Friends of triumph; 6pack at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Quality Control Issue FYI I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" overbored. While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag with #1 piston installed. With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and didn't see any issues. Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear just below the oil ring on the other side. After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE pistons not County on the way. Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the same batch at the same time before it was caught. These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with the babbit and copper. I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. Just thought I would provide a heads up. Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Jan 11 14:48:04 2013 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:48:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh Message-ID: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Jan 11 14:53:43 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:53:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh In-Reply-To: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: No idea if the story is true or not, but it sure is funny! John On Fri, January 11, 2013 4:48 pm, Paul MacDonald wrote: > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 15:00:19 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:00:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] County Pistons Taiwan Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> Message-ID: <50F08B73.1040504@charter.net> Correction County Pistons are made in Taiwan. On 1/11/2013 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > FYI > I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" > overbored. > While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything > checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. > With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag with #1 > piston installed. > With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and > didn't see any issues. > Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore and > had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear just > below the oil ring on the other side. > After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring > grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. > The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of the > surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. > We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE > pistons not County on the way. > > Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the former > Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. > There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the > same batch at the same time before it was caught. > > These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). > I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. > > I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their Tri-Metal > Main Bearings (Israel). > The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with the > babbit and copper. > > I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. > Just thought I would provide a heads up. > > Glenn From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 15:01:55 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:01:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> Message-ID: <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> Yes the County Rockers are made in India. They usually have better quality control than most. On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > Another horror story: > > A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that > most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" > branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few > days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms > seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm > cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker > arms were getting lubricated. > It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had > rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill > deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. > > Doug > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco > wrote: > > FYI > I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" > overbored. > While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything > checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. > With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag > with #1 piston installed. > With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and > didn't see any issues. > Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore > and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear > just below the oil ring on the other side. > After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring > grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. > The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of > the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. > We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE > pistons not County on the way. > > Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the > former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. > There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the > same batch at the same time before it was caught. > > These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). > I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. > > I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their > Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). > The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with > the babbit and copper. > > I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. > Just thought I would provide a heads up. > > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > > Spitfires at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 11 15:12:41 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:12:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4E2AF2EBF250466CBD8BD79F1019D0AC@Bud> HYSTERICAL!\ Thanks RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "Fot" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 1:48 PM Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From boydwagner3 at aol.com Fri Jan 11 15:19:14 2013 From: boydwagner3 at aol.com (Body Wagner) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:19:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> Message-ID: <690F0574-316A-4FFD-9253-09734B72B958@aol.com> Where are AE pistons made? Boyd C Wagner Sent from my iPad On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Yes the County Rockers are made in India. > They usually have better quality control than most. > > On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >> Another horror story: >> >> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that >> most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few >> days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms >> seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm >> cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker >> arms were getting lubricated. >> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill >> deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco > > wrote: >> >> FYI >> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >> overbored. >> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >> with #1 piston installed. >> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >> didn't see any issues. >> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >> just below the oil ring on the other side. >> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >> pistons not County on the way. >> >> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >> >> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >> >> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >> the babbit and copper. >> >> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >> >> Glenn >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Spitfires at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/boydwagner3 at aol.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Jan 11 15:14:19 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:14:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh In-Reply-To: References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Many moons ago I was at a cocktail party in Belfast at the home of some friends of my parents. Patricia said 'Oh Bob, you are a car guy, you should meet Collin' and introduced me to a nice guy and we talked road racing and rallye for an hour or so. He said I really should give rallye a try and invited me to come out the next Irish Rallye. I wasn't going to be in country at the time, but said I thought it sounded grand and returned the invite to come out and play at Lime Rock some time. After he left I found out it was Collin McRea.... One of my class mates when I was in N. Ireland had an annoying little brother a few grades younger than us, in the same class as my sister. Never knew Eddie Irvine would go on to race in F1. :) On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:53 PM, R. John Lye wrote: > No idea if the story is true or not, but it sure > is funny! > > John > > > On Fri, January 11, 2013 4:48 pm, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Jan 11 15:41:25 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:41:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <690F0574-316A-4FFD-9253-09734B72B958@aol.com> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> <690F0574-316A-4FFD-9253-09734B72B958@aol.com> Message-ID: <50F09515.30005@charter.net> The new defective TR6 set I just installed are made in Taiwan. I just looked in my collection of NOS ones and I have 4 new .020" Spit County Pistons and those appear to be made in the UK but they are likely 10-15 yrs old or better. Glenn On 1/11/2013 5:19 PM, Body Wagner wrote: > Where are AE pistons made? > > Boyd C Wagner > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > >> Yes the County Rockers are made in India. >> They usually have better quality control than most. >> >> On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >>> Another horror story: >>> >>> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that >>> most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >>> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few >>> days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms >>> seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm >>> cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker >>> arms were getting lubricated. >>> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >>> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill >>> deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco >> > wrote: >>> >>> FYI >>> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >>> overbored. >>> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >>> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >>> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >>> with #1 piston installed. >>> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >>> didn't see any issues. >>> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >>> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >>> just below the oil ring on the other side. >>> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >>> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >>> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >>> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >>> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >>> pistons not County on the way. >>> >>> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >>> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >>> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >>> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >>> >>> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >>> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >>> >>> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >>> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >>> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >>> the babbit and copper. >>> >>> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >>> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >>> >>> Glenn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Spitfires at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/boydwagner3 at aol.com From boydwagner3 at aol.com Fri Jan 11 15:54:53 2013 From: boydwagner3 at aol.com (Body Wagner) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:54:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] race seats Message-ID: <5159678D-89A6-452D-A64A-F0F32EBC285D@aol.com> I am building a TR6 for auto crossing and hill climbing. I am searching for a seat that will be safe for this yet be comfortable as a road seat. Boyd Wagner From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jan 11 16:14:16 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:14:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] race seats In-Reply-To: <5159678D-89A6-452D-A64A-F0F32EBC285D@aol.com> References: <5159678D-89A6-452D-A64A-F0F32EBC285D@aol.com> Message-ID: Butler......Charlotte/Concord.....will custom fit your seat & the price is same as the Kirkley seats you see on web. But don't know where you are. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Body Wagner wrote: > I am building a TR6 for auto crossing and hill climbing. I am searching for a > seat that will be safe for this yet be comfortable as a road seat. > > Boyd Wagner > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Fri Jan 11 16:14:45 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:14:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F09515.30005@charter.net> Message-ID: Funny that I received about an hour ago a new set of AE .020 pistons that I had ordered. They are made by NURAL in Poland which is a subsidiary of Federal Mogul. They look very nice in quality and are fitted with Goetze rings which look ok but they have the one piece oil control ring which I have never been crazy about. I prefer the Grant type 3 piece oil ring but these are easier to install! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:41 PM To: Body Wagner Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; Doug Braun; 6pack at autox.team.net; Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue The new defective TR6 set I just installed are made in Taiwan. I just looked in my collection of NOS ones and I have 4 new .020" Spit County Pistons and those appear to be made in the UK but they are likely 10-15 yrs old or better. Glenn On 1/11/2013 5:19 PM, Body Wagner wrote: > Where are AE pistons made? > > Boyd C Wagner > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > >> Yes the County Rockers are made in India. >> They usually have better quality control than most. >> >> On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >>> Another horror story: >>> >>> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part >>> that most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >>> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a >>> few days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms seemed >>> rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm cover >>> off, I could see that only the rear four rocker arms were getting >>> lubricated. >>> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >>> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill deep >>> enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco >> > wrote: >>> >>> FYI >>> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >>> overbored. >>> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >>> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >>> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >>> with #1 piston installed. >>> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >>> didn't see any issues. >>> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >>> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >>> just below the oil ring on the other side. >>> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >>> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >>> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >>> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >>> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >>> pistons not County on the way. >>> >>> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >>> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >>> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >>> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >>> >>> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >>> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >>> >>> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >>> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >>> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >>> the babbit and copper. >>> >>> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >>> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >>> >>> Glenn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Spitfires at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/boydwagner3 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 11 16:17:59 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:17:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In-Reply-To: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> FOT: A lot of time has been spent this week in discussion with VSCDA. I have a much better idea of we are going to fit into this great event. We also discussed some items of mutual benefit....a WIN/WIN is always a good thing. I plan to send a summary of our activities to WEBMASTER Henry Frye to be published in the GASKETWORKS supported website. fot-racing.com We are discussing our own touring session, package deals for the weekend, TR car show at the Welcome Dinner, Old Course re-enactment, sharing a hospitality tent.......the list goes on. I sent the event CHAIRPERSON Mike Korneli (Deb does a lot of the work, tho) John Clancy's "CALIFORNIA AIR", so they can get acquainted with Kas...and so they can see a KASTNER CUP in action at ROAD ATLANTA. Speaking of John Clancy triumphdvd.co.uk , we have asked John and his wife to join us at KCUP 2013. There's more, but it's in the planning stages. Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and Marty Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. We have 21 'SPONSORS' to support the KCUP. One is anonymous, and one has donated twice. I need to catch the names up and hope to display at the KCUP. COMMERCIAL entities are welcome, too, but we have little to offer them if they are looking for a RETURN ON INVESTMENT. (Well, I guess we buy stuff from them.) More later, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri Jan 11 16:47:49 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:47:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A Good Laugh In-Reply-To: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> References: <005b01cdf045$566dab90$034902b0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: That's great. Thanks. Kg Sent from my iPad On Jan 11, 2013, at 3:48 PM, "Paul MacDonald" wrote: > http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=26777 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Jan 11 17:48:45 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:48:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Harbor Freight References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <2052E7DE3752438C91892F9FA7247B17@hpd530> Hi All, I have a couple sets of Whitworth wrenches I'm not needing. If you have an interest give me a shout. I think some are King Dick brand. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once >> I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From igofaster at att.net Fri Jan 11 18:09:23 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:09:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're curious... every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... no I'm not Uncle Joe Bobby Whitehead Pawn Star of CVAR ________________________________ From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 Red #6 On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow open > end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I > ground it down. > > Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 11 18:13:54 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:13:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com><000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26C4311933C3441AB405246FFC7EA646@Bud> speaking of deals...for those of you in Central and Northern Ca...Sonoma Raceway has confirmed their swap meet on Sat, Feb 2nd...25.00 per space...no other details yet RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "Duncan Charlton" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 5:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if > you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the > board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is > www.unclejoespawn.com > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once >> I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 18:19:27 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:19:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In-Reply-To: <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> Speaking of the FOT website. Why is it so outdated? On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > A lot of time has been spent this week in discussion with VSCDA. I have a much > better idea of we are going to fit into this great event. We also discussed > some items of mutual benefit....a WIN/WIN is always a good thing. > > I plan to send a summary of our activities to WEBMASTER Henry Frye to be > published in the GASKETWORKS supported website. fot-racing.com > > We are discussing our own touring session, package deals for the weekend, TR > car show at the Welcome Dinner, Old Course re-enactment, sharing a hospitality > tent.......the list goes on. > > I sent the event CHAIRPERSON Mike Korneli (Deb does a lot of the work, tho) > John Clancy's "CALIFORNIA AIR", so they can get acquainted with Kas...and so > they can see a KASTNER CUP in action at ROAD ATLANTA. > > Speaking of John Clancy triumphdvd.co.uk , we have asked John and his wife > to join us at KCUP 2013. There's more, but it's in the planning stages. > > Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and Marty > Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for > distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. > > We have 21 'SPONSORS' to support the KCUP. One is anonymous, and one has > donated twice. I need to catch the names up and hope to display at the KCUP. > COMMERCIAL entities are welcome, too, but we have little to offer them if they > are looking for a RETURN ON INVESTMENT. (Well, I guess we buy stuff from > them.) > > More later, > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jan 11 18:24:26 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:24:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gee whiz, Bobby, having collected tools since my "hot rod" days in the late 40's & 50's, I couldn't possibly tell you all the brands. For sure Sears was a big source, but I'm sure none of them had "dick" in the name Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 11 18:29:20 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:29:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50F0BC70.8060401@bradakis.com> Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > My favorite pawn shop score was getting a set of Snap-On wobble extensions for some ridiculously low price. I've been using them for decades, still look as good as new. mjb. From igofaster at att.net Fri Jan 11 18:31:19 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:31:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1357954279.9027.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> did I miss something? ________________________________ From: John Hasty To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Duncan Charlton ; FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 7:24:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pawn Shopping Gee whiz, Bobby, having collected tools since my "hot rod" days in the late 40's & 50's, I couldn't possibly tell you all the brands. For sure Sears was a big source, but I'm sure none of them had "dick" in the name Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com > > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 11 18:38:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:38:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In-Reply-To: <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <8CFBE7C9BEC68D3-1964-DF6B@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> Because it is another one of volunteer positions....but we are working on getting KCUP 2013 info together now and henry will post. Jason has volunteered to help. Volunteers are good. they work cheap. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Delap To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings Speaking of the FOT website. Why is it so outdated? On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > A lot of time has been spent this week in discussion with VSCDA. I have a much > better idea of we are going to fit into this great event. We also discussed > some items of mutual benefit....a WIN/WIN is always a good thing. > > I plan to send a summary of our activities to WEBMASTER Henry Frye to be > published in the GASKETWORKS supported website. fot-racing.com > > We are discussing our own touring session, package deals for the weekend, TR > car show at the Welcome Dinner, Old Course re-enactment, sharing a hospitality > tent.......the list goes on. > > I sent the event CHAIRPERSON Mike Korneli (Deb does a lot of the work, tho) > John Clancy's "CALIFORNIA AIR", so they can get acquainted with Kas...and so > they can see a KASTNER CUP in action at ROAD ATLANTA. > > Speaking of John Clancy triumphdvd.co.uk , we have asked John and his wife > to join us at KCUP 2013. There's more, but it's in the planning stages. > > Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and Marty > Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for > distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. > > We have 21 'SPONSORS' to support the KCUP. One is anonymous, and one has > donated twice. I need to catch the names up and hope to display at the KCUP. > COMMERCIAL entities are welcome, too, but we have little to offer them if they > are looking for a RETURN ON INVESTMENT. (Well, I guess we buy stuff from > them.) > > More later, > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jan 11 18:40:29 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:40:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Pawn Shopping In-Reply-To: <1357954279.9027.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1357489528.59378.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <72F73456BC644FF8943306A05BC717FE@hpd530> <50EC3306.2080407@gmail.com> <000001cdedb9$0a8c6c40$1fa544c0$@sbcglobal.net> <1357952963.52008.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1357954279.9027.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBE7CEFEA707C-1964-DF8F@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> yes Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: John Hasty Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Pawn Shopping did I miss something? ________________________________ From: John Hasty To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Duncan Charlton ; FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 7:24:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pawn Shopping Gee whiz, Bobby, having collected tools since my "hot rod" days in the late 40's & 50's, I couldn't possibly tell you all the brands. For sure Sears was a big source, but I'm sure none of them had "dick" in the name Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > if you have a pawn shop in your travels, go in every once in a while if you're > curious... > > every one is different.. there are good deals to be found across the board, > hence my toolsandjewels name .... new web page is www.unclejoespawn.com > > > > yes I'm self serving if you're in Weatherford Texas you get the DEAL... > > no I'm not Uncle Joe > > Bobby Whitehead > Pawn Star of CVAR > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:36:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Harbor Freight > > Don't forget pawn shop tools. About ten years ago I found the size > specifications for Whitworth wrenches, so I bought 8 or 10 reasonably good > quality open end wrenches from a pawn shop and ground them to size. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Cheap tools are great for making "special tools". I needed a very narrow > open >> end large wrench for TR6 hubs and a HF crescent was the best option once I >> ground it down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 07:55:07 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:55:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VR1 oil sale In-Reply-To: <20130110230651.Y9XN2.191089.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130110230651.Y9XN2.191089.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <80D32826-E12E-46D2-A2AB-83CC173B4A16@yahoo.com> The sale at Autozone is always the best. It is about $2.50 a quart. Keep your eyes open for their sale. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 10, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Randall wrote: > Thanks for reminding me! > O'Reillys has (or had) VR1 synthetic on sale for $4.99 in the store, even though it doesn't appear for that price in any of their online ads. My local store was out when I was in there last week, but they said they should get more this week and the sale price was good until the 28th. I'm going to run over and stock up (if they have any). > > YMMV > Randall > > ---- Don Marshall wrote: >> A year or so ago someone found Valvoline VR1 non-synthetic racing oil on >> sale at Autozone for half price > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Jan 12 07:47:39 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:47:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings In a message dated 01/11/2013 5:18:05 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Steve Belfer is working on the next edition of our FOT/VTR poster and > Marty > Sukey is standing by on the production of the event shirts with a plan for > distribution. TSI is involved again, with a high quality shirt. > Lots of Triumph stuff in the current issue of Victory Lane, including VSCDA's add for Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVIII and its Kastner Cup event. I love the Joanie Delap photo used in the adv. (three TR4s going at it, shot from the rear). I like everything about that photo, but in particular, the fact that you can read the decal on the rear of the Alexander TR4, which memorializes Steve's dad (and my mentor)...Mike Belfer. Bill Dentinger From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Jan 12 10:36:09 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:36:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com References: <8CFBE5702EEFC7E-1964-C93C@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com><8CFBE6907A386CA-1964-D590@webmail-m160.sysops.aol.com> <483AB8C0-6CEF-4CF5-8B9D-1785149B51BC@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <2F83E7C11FA245A9AE5D4C35FDE6AAA4@TRIUMPH.local> Dennis, The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living stuff really gets in the way of fun. Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the 2013 KCup, I have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the right stuff is coming together. This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Delap" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings > Speaking of the FOT website. > Why is it so outdated? From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 14:41:52 2013 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:41:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue In-Reply-To: <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> References: <50F080C2.1080007@charter.net> <50F08BD3.9000200@charter.net> Message-ID: Usually U.S. sourced parts are made in China or Taiwan and U.K. sourced parts are made in India. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Doug Braun" Cc: ; <6pack at autox.team.net>; "Friends of triumph" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [Spits] County Pistons Quality Control Issue > Yes the County Rockers are made in India. > They usually have better quality control than most. > > On 1/11/2013 4:33 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >> Another horror story: >> >> A while back I replaced my Spit's rocker arm shaft with the part that >> most vendors sold. I believe it was "County" >> branded, and it was made in India. I went to adjust the valves a few >> days later, and I noticed that the front four rocker arms >> seemed rather oil-starved. When I ran the engine with the rocker arm >> cover off, I could see that only the rear four rocker >> arms were getting lubricated. >> It turned out that the shaft was not completely hollow: They had >> rifle-drilled it inwards from each end, but they did not drill >> deep enough, and the two holes did not meet up in the center. >> >> Doug >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Glenn Franco > > wrote: >> >> FYI >> I am in the midst of a TR6 Rebuild with an engine that is .020" >> overbored. >> While fitting up the pistons and checking clearances everything >> checked out and the bore was concentric and to specs. >> With the piston installed in the bore I noticed increased drag >> with #1 piston installed. >> With rings gaps, skirt clearance correct I pulled the piston and >> didn't see any issues. >> Further inspection showed that the piston was cocked in the bore >> and had score marks on the bottom of one skirt with the same wear >> just below the oil ring on the other side. >> After inspecting it with the machine shop we noticed that the ring >> grooves were not fully machined on one side of the piston. >> The rings would not move far enough in the groove and was proud of >> the surface causing the piston to cock in the bore. >> We collectively have not seen this before and have a new set of AE >> pistons not County on the way. >> >> Having spent many years in Automotive Engineering at one of the >> former Big Three, these events are usually not one of's. >> There likely are many more out there that ran down the line in the >> same batch at the same time before it was caught. >> >> These are new County Piston sets (I think made in Israel now). >> I would inspect their parts very closely before you install them. >> >> I also noticed machine chips in the machined groove of their >> Tri-Metal Main Bearings (Israel). >> The chips were in the machined groove and were plated over with >> the babbit and copper. >> >> I have had very good experiences with their parts in the past. >> Just thought I would provide a heads up. >> >> Glenn >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Spitfires at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spitfires/doug at dougbraun.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 12 17:04:44 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:04:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <2F83E7C11FA245A9AE5D4C35FDE6AAA4@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. We certainly have tons of pictures available. Do we have a writer? What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? Could I learn it and help out? Small moves - something everyday will get her done. Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > Dennis, > > The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my > clients stop > throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time > and enthuisasm > to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living > stuff really gets > in the way of fun. > > Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > 2013 KCup, I > have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason > will help bail me > out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > Cup events, I > can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are > really is pulling > off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the > right stuff is > coming together. > > This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Delap" > To: "Joe Alexander" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings AMERICA...FOUR > MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > > > > Speaking of the FOT website. > > Why is it so outdated? From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 20:44:35 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:44:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. > > Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. > We certainly have tons of pictures available. > Do we have a writer? > What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. > How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? > Could I learn it and help out? > > Small moves - something everyday will get her done. > Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > > >> Dennis, >> >> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >> clients stop >> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >> and enthuisasm >> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >> stuff really gets >> in the way of fun. >> >> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >> 2013 KCup, I >> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >> will help bail me >> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >> Cup events, I >> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >> really is pulling >> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >> right stuff is >> coming together. >> >> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >> >> Henry >> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis Delap" >> To: "Joe Alexander" >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings > AMERICA...FOUR >> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >> >> >>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>> Why is it so outdated? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 13 07:54:21 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:54:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFBFB5019DD1D1-CB4-17BC4@webmail-m147.sysops.aol.com> You are exactly right, Dennis. Maybe someone can come up with a plan. It seems like, whenever there has been a need, somebody jumps in a addresses the problem. Not bad for a non organization. Henry, maybe you can come up with plan and solicit for support? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap To: Joe Alexander ; yellow04 Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 6:04 pm Subject: Re: fot-racing.com Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. We certainly have tons of pictures available. Do we have a writer? What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? Could I learn it and help out? Small moves - something everyday will get her done. Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > Dennis, > > The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my > clients stop > throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time > and enthuisasm > to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living > stuff really gets > in the way of fun. > > Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > 2013 KCup, I > have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason > will help bail me > out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > Cup events, I > can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are > really is pulling > off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the > right stuff is > coming together. > > This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Delap" > To: "Joe Alexander" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings AMERICA...FOUR > MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > > > > Speaking of the FOT website. > > Why is it so outdated? From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun Jan 13 13:18:37 2013 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:18:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR chasssis stuff Message-ID: <50F3169D.10603@bright.net> With all the discussion about chassis strengths, or lack thereof, wanted to let the list know about our TR6 chassis/diff stiffener kit. This was developed by Lanky Foushee for the Group44 TR6. When we redid my daughter'sTR6 chassis at the Group44shop, we put this on the car and developed a "kit". The kit boxes the 3 sided support that holds the upper spring mount/body tub cross bar. it also supports the outer end of the bar that is the top spring seat. And, boxes in the rear cross member where the shocks are attached. By boxing in these points, the diff supports now becomes part of the chassis. Less load and better rigidity. Kit can be installed with body on frame. Pictures are on our website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click "Performance Parts" then select TR250/TR6 Performance Parts then go to the suspension section. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From list at mackenzie.aero Sun Jan 13 14:12:17 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:12:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets Message-ID: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) From bownes at seiri.com Sun Jan 13 14:30:20 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:30:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Message-ID: I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the > 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a > better quality gasket. > > I need one urgently. > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '78 1500 (street) > '71 GT6 MKIII (project) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 14:35:51 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:35:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Message-ID: <50F328B7.2000306@comcast.net> I've got three of them that I no longer need since I switched to a 1300. They are the metalized type. I normally source that type of stuff from British Parts NW. Since they are across town from me I normally get next day delivery. Let me know if you want me to mail mine to you. On 1/13/2013 1:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the > 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a > better quality gasket. > > I need one urgently. > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '78 1500 (street) > '71 GT6 MKIII (project) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 13 15:48:51 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:48:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD Message-ID: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> FOT, There seems to be a chance that the Kastner Cup feature something beyond just a 'gaggle' in SPITFIRES and GT6s. I am pleased to announce that I just heard from California's Jerry and Jan BARKER. They plan to bring both the SCCA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE and the KASTNER CUP WINNING HERALD. What a show this will be! You may not know that street fuel found it's way into the SCCA CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE at the MITTY last year and prevented a great showing. While it provided some amusing copy by our friend BURT LEVY, it wont happen again at Road American. SEE YOU AT KCUP 2013 Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jan 13 18:01:06 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:01:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR chasssis stuff References: <50F3169D.10603@bright.net> Message-ID: Hi Gang, I put Ted's kit in my TR6 last summer; piece of cake. I'm going to take a close look around my front suspension and rack mounts when the engine is out (tomorrow). It's lots easier to do repairs with an empty engine bay. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Schumacher" To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:18 PM Subject: [Fot] TR chasssis stuff > With all the discussion about chassis strengths, or lack thereof, wanted > to let the list know about our TR6 chassis/diff stiffener kit. This was > developed by Lanky Foushee for the Group44 TR6. When we redid my > daughter'sTR6 chassis at the Group44shop, we put this on the car and > developed a "kit". The kit boxes the 3 sided support that holds the upper > spring mount/body tub cross bar. it also supports the outer end of the bar > that is the top spring seat. And, boxes in the rear cross member where the > shocks are attached. By boxing in these points, the diff supports now > becomes part of the chassis. Less load and better rigidity. Kit can be > installed with body on frame. Pictures are on our website - > www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click "Performance Parts" then select > TR250/TR6 Performance Parts then go to the suspension section. Thanks for > your time. Ted > > -- > Ted Schumacher > tedtsimx at bright.net > http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > 108 S. Jefferson St. > Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 > Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) > Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) > Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jan 13 18:23:51 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:23:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD In-Reply-To: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Awsome. Evelyn and I camped out outside the gate with Jerry and Jan at Road Atlanta Sunday night last year. Sat around the campfire swapping stories. What great folks, looking forward to seeing them again. Marty ---------------------------------------- > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:48:51 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD > > FOT, > > There seems to be a chance that the Kastner Cup feature something beyond just > a 'gaggle' in SPITFIRES and GT6s. > > I am pleased to announce that I just heard from California's Jerry and Jan > BARKER. They plan to bring both the SCCA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE and > the KASTNER CUP WINNING HERALD. What a show this will be! > > You may not know that street fuel found it's way into the SCCA CHAMPIONSHIP > SPITFIRE at the MITTY last year and prevented a great showing. While it > provided some amusing copy by our friend BURT LEVY, it wont happen again at > Road American. SEE YOU AT KCUP 2013 > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From dkorneli54 at charter.net Sun Jan 13 15:54:26 2013 From: dkorneli54 at charter.net (deb korneli) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:54:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD References: <8CFBFF74A981C2B-10AC-1BF57@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Great News! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:48 PM Subject: Spitfires, GT6s, and one FAST HERALD FOT, There seems to be a chance that the Kastner Cup feature something beyond just a 'gaggle' in SPITFIRES and GT6s. I am pleased to announce that I just heard from California's Jerry and Jan BARKER. They plan to bring both the SCCA NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE and the KASTNER CUP WINNING HERALD. What a show this will be! You may not know that street fuel found it's way into the SCCA CHAMPIONSHIP SPITFIRE at the MITTY last year and prevented a great showing. While it provided some amusing copy by our friend BURT LEVY, it wont happen again at Road American. SEE YOU AT KCUP 2013 Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 14 12:20:37 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:20:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >>> clients stop >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >>> and enthuisasm >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >>> stuff really gets >>> in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >>> will help bail me >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >>> really is pulling >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >>> right stuff is >>> coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Jan 14 12:34:27 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:34:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F3ECFA118E@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Check out my West Coast Vintage Racing website: www.vintageracing.us It's a very simple Go Daddy site. Easy to set up & maintain. Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Delap Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 11:21 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have >> been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients >>> stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and >>> enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a >>> living stuff really gets in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help >>> bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) >>> are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems >>> to me all the right stuff is coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 14 12:43:31 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:43:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com Message-ID: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> In a message dated 01/14/2013 1:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see > who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about > themself > and their Racing Triumph? > God knows I'm way too verbose to be against free speech, and of course Bill Babcock's forgotten more about such new software and how it works than I'll ever hope to know, but I'd have some concern about opening up the FOT Website to wholesale input for all members without the benefit of an 'editor'. That's what editors are for..the purpose they serve. Look what happens here on the FOT List. All members are granted an 'open mike' here, and it works great...but let's face it...we sure can get rag tag now and again. Our website is ought to be on purpose and not by accident. I absolutely think all members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Bill Dentinger From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 12:50:52 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:50:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> Message-ID: That's great if someone wants to do it, in the default wordpress security hierarchy there are both authors and editors. Editors can change any submission. You can also set the system so certain levels can comment, and with a closed group like the FOT that eliminates most comment spam since only members can comment. Here's a sample of a wordpress site I built called xtreme Geezer. That would certainly be you Bill. I haven't doner much with it since building it, but it's more or less what I'd recommend for the FOT. www.xgeez.com On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:43 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/14/2013 1:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, > yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > > >> I like Babcocks idea. >> If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see >> who >> we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. >> That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about >> themself >> and their Racing Triumph? >> > > God knows I'm way too verbose to be against free speech, and of course Bill > Babcock's forgotten more about such new software and how it works than I'll > ever hope to know, but I'd have some concern about opening up the FOT > Website to wholesale input for all members without the benefit of an 'editor'. > That's what editors are for..the purpose they serve. Look what happens here > on the FOT List. All members are granted an 'open mike' here, and it works > great...but let's face it...we sure can get rag tag now and again. Our > website is ought to be on purpose and not by accident. I absolutely think all > members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also > think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 13:37:41 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:37:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> Editor good idea.....should be Henry's call on how to proceed, methinks. and Mordy. And it would ideal to step back in order to go forward. I think Dennis is on to something here. I like a little RAG-TAG on the FOT list....as long as it doesnt get personal.....just passionate. We have had some pretty decent threads, lately. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: yellow-green ; ponobill Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com In a message dated 01/14/2013 1:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see > who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about > themself > and their Racing Triumph? > God knows I'm way too verbose to be against free speech, and of course Bill Babcock's forgotten more about such new software and how it works than I'll ever hope to know, but I'd have some concern about opening up the FOT Website to wholesale input for all members without the benefit of an 'editor'. That's what editors are for..the purpose they serve. Look what happens here on the FOT List. All members are granted an 'open mike' here, and it works great...but let's face it...we sure can get rag tag now and again. Our website is ought to be on purpose and not by accident. I absolutely think all members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 13:42:56 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:42:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: We can all probably agree that the website could use some improvements. I certainly like the idea of a self-authored portion of the FOT site too. Especially something like a "Members and their Cars" Section", But as Bill D. has said we would need an editor (at the very least) Right now I am working on a couple pages of info for the next Kastner Cup. Henry, Joe and I are getting some stuff together and can promise (or at least try to promise) a slick new portion of the website highlighting some more current FOT 2013 updates and a full summary of our plans for the Kastner-Cup. In terms of going beyond this and totally revamping the entire site (baby steps) let me start with this.... I will see how it goes. After spending some time with these initial improvements, perhaps I could be convinced to be said "editor" and perhaps develop some sort of a "biography/ members section." All that being said... although our website could use a bit of improvement... we are very lucky to have our interests and friendships supported by an (almost always) fully functional contact network. I like our smallish email based Triumph World! Not a bad little group of geeks, and with no dues, duties, officers etc. I think we do pretty good for a group of "non members" As always, Thanks of course go out to "the man behind the curtain" Fot website updates to follow. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Dennis Delap wrote: > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see > who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about > themself > and their Racing Triumph? > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > all > the members author privileges. > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap > wrote: > > > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an > elephant. > >> > >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been > attending - is almost non existent on our site. > >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. > >> Do we have a writer? > >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. > >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? > >> Could I learn it and help out? > >> > >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. > >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > >> > >> > >>> Dennis, > >>> > >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my > >>> clients stop > >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time > >>> and enthuisasm > >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living > >>> stuff really gets > >>> in the way of fun. > >>> > >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > >>> 2013 KCup, I > >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason > >>> will help bail me > >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > >>> Cup events, I > >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are > >>> really is pulling > >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the > >>> right stuff is > >>> coming together. > >>> > >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > >>> > >>> Henry > >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Dennis Delap" > >>> To: "Joe Alexander" > >>> Cc: > >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >>> AMERICA...FOUR > >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. > >>>> Why is it so outdated? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 14:07:37 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:07:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen In-Reply-To: <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> Hi guys, any idea where to get one those Group 44 style Triumph TR6 TR250 tinted lexan windscreen Cheers Chris From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 14:33:05 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:33:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen In-Reply-To: <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> Message-ID: Huffaker makes them for MG's & Jenson Healeys Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi guys, > > any idea where to get one those > Group 44 style Triumph TR6 TR250 tinted lexan windscreen > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 14 14:50:00 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:50:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > I absolutely think all > members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also > think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Are you volunteering ? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 14:52:22 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:52:22 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen In-Reply-To: References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> <001b01cdf29b$30200570$90601050$@com> Message-ID: <003401cdf2a1$6fc413f0$4f4c3bd0$@com> Thanks all for input. Found what my friends needed. Cheers Chris Von: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 14. Januar 2013 22:27 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Group 44 style Triumph TR6 tinted lexan windscreen check out the "racing only" windscreen at : http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/tr250_tr6.html Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:07 PM, MadMarx wrote: Hi guys, any idea where to get one those Group 44 style Triumph TR6 TR250 tinted lexan windscreen Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ~WRD000.jpg] From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 14 14:54:30 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Web stuff Message-ID: <50F47E96.2040402@bradakis.com> The discussion of the FOT web site has reminded me that I have a lot of updating to do with the extremely out of date Team.Net pages, as well as a few other domains. I'll be using Wordpress for some of the work. It is too COLD to go out and work in the garage, so I'll be parking my sorry self in front of the computer for a while. We'll see what gets done. And yes, this is a great list! mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 14:57:38 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:57:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > I absolutely think all > members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I also > think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. Are you volunteering ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 14 15:29:36 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:29:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 15:43:55 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:43:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> I absolutely think all >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > also >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Are you volunteering ? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 15:46:25 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:46:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <5D67E1E6-D240-4800-888E-B5BEF79A6D18@gdhs.com> Randall, I'm 77 and am at the office every day (except when I'm on the way to a race) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- Joe Alexander wrote: >> I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) >> > > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. > > Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 14 15:58:05 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:58:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5D67E1E6-D240-4800-888E-B5BEF79A6D18@gdhs.com> References: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <5D67E1E6-D240-4800-888E-B5BEF79A6D18@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <50F48D7D.1070807@bradakis.com> I'm still under 60. I better volunteer for something. I know, I'll manage the mailing list ;-) mjb. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:25:51 2013 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:25:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <1358205951.82927.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Joe never retired he just changed week day hobby; thankfully. ________________________________ From: Randall To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 16:56:48 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:56:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <8CFC0C9F34398C1-84C-13BC4@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> It's time you young guns take over... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 16:59:44 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:59:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> i thought the transmission thread was a good one and there were no bad answers. we could have it again, as i no longer have any memory of it. i wonder what position i would take next time. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Joe Alexander Cc: tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> I absolutely think all >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > also >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Are you volunteering ? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 17:18:00 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. Seems only fair. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:22:13 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:22:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358205951.82927.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <20130114222937.NPIFT.207454.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <1358205951.82927.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0CD7FEBB63B-84C-13E49@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> It helps to have a legacy going....Sean & Mark....with Brendan perhaps completing driver's school this year. It's a big year for Brendan....likely going to State in wrestling, driver's school, and then off to the University....not to mention the Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann To: Randall ; Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Joe never retired he just changed week day hobby; thankfully. From: Randall To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com ---- Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > But you're retired! You're supposed to have all this free time compared to those of us who still have to work for a living. Or have I, like Bogey in Casablanca, been "misinformed" ? Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 14 17:26:47 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:26:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <927F3717746F49A698E5135370EFEB58@TRIUMPH.local> Fot-racing.com is Mordy's site, Mordy makes the call. I'm just the wrench here... I don't mind updating the site, but it goes a whole lot easier if someone actually authors something I can drop on a page. That kind of thing I can do quick and easy. Me sitting on front of a blank page does nobody any favors. As far as the idea to have member bios and pictures, that does not sound like the FOT I know. Sounds like people who need to have their egos pumped up. I thought if you had a big ego, you race something other than a Truimph! Should we poll the group to see how many people actually want to post a bio and pictures? If there is a concensus, we can figure out the next step. Then, with Joe's blessing, we can proceed. Members with good intentions "going rogue" on stuff like this is not good! In case you didn't guess, I a "not participating" with a member bio page! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > Editor good idea.....should be Henry's call on how to proceed, methinks. > and Mordy. > > And it would ideal to step back in order to go forward. > > I think Dennis is on to something here. > > I like a little RAG-TAG on the FOT list....as long as it doesnt get > personal.....just passionate. > > We have had some pretty decent threads, lately. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:28:40 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:28:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0CE66B9A971-84C-13F1B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> if you could have made that rhyme, it would have been shear poetry Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Joe Alexander Cc: jhhasty ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. Seems only fair. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From igofaster at att.net Mon Jan 14 17:30:05 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:30:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? Bobby ________________________________ From: Dennis Delap To: Bill Babcock Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >>> clients stop >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >>> and enthuisasm >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >>> stuff really gets >>> in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >>> will help bail me >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >>> really is pulling >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >>> right stuff is >>> coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:35:30 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:35:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <927F3717746F49A698E5135370EFEB58@TRIUMPH.local> References: <23123.692496bf.3e25b9e3@aol.com> <8CFC0AE21E98589-61C-2259C@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com> <927F3717746F49A698E5135370EFEB58@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <8CFC0CF5B541AF3-84C-140AC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> we dont need bios....we already know too much about some of you. a roster with name, car, and state.....with email address option? then if someone wanted to get a hold of someone they could. since it is sponsored by Mordy...he gets the final word, methink. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Fot-racing.com is Mordy's site, Mordy makes the call. I'm just the wrench here... I don't mind updating the site, but it goes a whole lot easier if someone actually authors something I can drop on a page. That kind of thing I can do quick and easy. Me sitting on front of a blank page does nobody any favors. As far as the idea to have member bios and pictures, that does not sound like the FOT I know. Sounds like people who need to have their egos pumped up. I thought if you had a big ego, you race something other than a Truimph! Should we poll the group to see how many people actually want to post a bio and pictures? If there is a concensus, we can figure out the next step. Then, with Joe's blessing, we can proceed. Members with good intentions "going rogue" on stuff like this is not good! In case you didn't guess, I a "not participating" with a member bio page! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > Editor good idea.....should be Henry's call on how to proceed, methinks. > and Mordy. > > And it would ideal to step back in order to go forward. > > I think Dennis is on to something here. > > I like a little RAG-TAG on the FOT list....as long as it doesnt get > personal.....just passionate. > > We have had some pretty decent threads, lately. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 17:41:53 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:41:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0D03F4022B3-84C-14146@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> ya, Ed Dunn has one. somebody else started one, then we got a little grumpy about it and ruined it. not everyone is on FB and it get's to be kind of an activity trap. it's really about keeping things simple.....staying low key is also good. kind of hard to stay low key with the Kastner Cup.....but we sure have improved the image of the TRIUMPH. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Dennis Delap Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? Bobby ________________________________ From: Dennis Delap To: Bill Babcock Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my >>> clients stop >>> throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time >>> and enthuisasm >>> to actually work on it is tough. This working for a living >>> stuff really gets >>> in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason >>> will help bail me >>> out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I >>> can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) are >>> really is pulling >>> off something pretty special here. It's seems to me all the >>> right stuff is >>> coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR >>> MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 18:13:07 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:13:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0D03F4022B3-84C-14146@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFC0D03F4022B3-84C-14146@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > "kind of hard to stay low key with the Kastner Cup.....but we sure have > improved the image of the TRIUMPH." > That's the low-keyers on high right there! Every year we have an "All Welcome INTERNATIONAL Race Meeting". Its Called the Kastner Cup. If you are into Triumph Racing... Then you really should be at the Kastner Cup. This is THE SHOWCASE for our individual race programs. They key players in the world of Triumphs may have no bio's on the world wide web. But, If they are one (a player). you should find them at the "Kastner Cup." See Everyone in Sept. Everyone! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 18:14:35 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:14:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Tell you what Joe, let's just number that thread as, say #116. To save space and time now when we need a good laugh all we need do is text "116" ! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > i thought the transmission thread was a good one and there were no bad answers. > > we could have it again, as i no longer have any memory of it. > > i wonder what position i would take next time. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: tr3driver ; fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:44 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randall > > Cc: fot > > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> I absolutely think all > >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > > also > >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > > > Are you volunteering ? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 14 18:18:14 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:18:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 18:18:59 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:18:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0D56E76F643-84C-148CF@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> I think I saw a comedy routine like that once....not sure how it ended. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Joe Alexander Cc: tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Tell you what Joe, let's just number that thread as, say #116. To save space and time now when we need a good laugh all we need do is text "116" ! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: i thought the transmission thread was a good one and there were no bad answers. we could have it again, as i no longer have any memory of it. i wonder what position i would take next time. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Joe Alexander Cc: tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Rember Joe, no opinions on transmissions Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think us folks over 70 should quit volunteering, except our opinions. :-) > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:51 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > > ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >> I absolutely think all >> members should have access and even be encouraged to submit items, but I > also >> think the Website benefits with an 'editor'. > > Are you volunteering ? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 14 18:24:27 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:24:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: <20130114215000.9WUAT.207189.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <8CFC0B94D787500-84C-12F3C@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <8EF892B1-6147-4B9B-9DED-E0513D190086@gdhs.com> <8CFC0CA5C42EB5D-84C-13C18@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC0D63204DE0A-84C-1496B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jan 14 18:41:02 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <8CFC0D63204DE0A-84C-1496B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1217764446.2227158.1358214062628.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> That's great, Joe. I like the hehehe! part. I'm rapidly approaching that age as well and I have to get my medical papers ready for this season. Should be no-prob. I just put fuel in my car. It's been almost 40 years since it last ran. I'm hoping that's no-prob too. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: jhhasty at gdhs.com, jason at multivintage.com Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:24:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jan 14 18:43:50 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:43:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1217764446.2227158.1358214062628.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <8CFC0D63204DE0A-84C-1496B@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <1217764446.2227158.1358214062628.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: WOw dave, that's big! You have a fire extinguisher handy, Right? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: davehogye Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:41:02 To: Joe Alexander Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com That's great, Joe. I like the hehehe! part. I'm rapidly approaching that age as well and I have to get my medical papers ready for this season. Should be no-prob. I just put fuel in my car. It's been almost 40 years since it last ran. I'm hoping that's no-prob too. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: jhhasty at gdhs.com, jason at multivintage.com Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:24:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jan 14 18:48:06 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <777089215-1358214233-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-543040914-@b18.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1256771339.2227491.1358214486472.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yes and there's also a fire hydrant close by. Thanks for the vote of confidence. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jason at multivintage.com To: "davehogye" , "Joe Alexander" Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net, jhhasty at gdhs.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:43:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com WOw dave, that's big! You have a fire extinguisher handy, Right? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: davehogye Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:41:02 +0000 (UTC) To: Joe Alexander Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com That's great, Joe. I like the hehehe! part. I'm rapidly approaching that age as well and I have to get my medical papers ready for this season. Should be no-prob. I just put fuel in my car. It's been almost 40 years since it last ran. I'm hoping that's no-prob too. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: jhhasty at gdhs.com, jason at multivintage.com Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:24:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com When I was 50, 27 year old son Sean wondered if I should race, or even if I could pass a race physical. Now HE is rapidly approaching 50 hehehe! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Joe Alexander ; tr3driver ; fot Sent: Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com "Medicals". Oh hell that reminds me tomorrow is go do tortuous things to this old body day. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Perhaps that lack of memory could serve you well. > Quite simply, when the tech scrutineers question's seem overwhelming... > Perhaps an "I Forgot" might work. > So long as you old guys keep passing your medicals..... > I'm OK with a bit of fogginess as far as whats under there, due to memory loss. > Hell I'll give ya'll one free Datsun part for every decade you have been racing. > Seems only fair. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jan 14 21:12:16 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:12:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> Message-ID: <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Jan 14 21:44:03 2013 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:44:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com> <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net> <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:30 PM To: Dennis Delap Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? Bobby ________________________________ From: Dennis Delap To: Bill Babcock Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com I like Babcocks idea. If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself and their Racing Triumph? On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > all the members author privileges. > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. >> >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have >> been attending - is almost non existent on our site. >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. >> Do we have a writer? >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? >> Could I learn it and help out? >> >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. >> >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients >>> stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and >>> enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a >>> living stuff really gets in the way of fun. >>> >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the >>> 2013 KCup, I >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help >>> bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner >>> Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) >>> are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems >>> to me all the right stuff is coming together. >>> >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Delap" >>> To: "Joe Alexander" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >> AMERICA...FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> >>> >>> >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. >>>> Why is it so outdated? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Jan 15 03:19:15 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 05:19:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com><5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net><1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <15C0F216E1BF4DA598B4CE95D3AD97BF@TRIUMPH.local> Ding ding ding ding..... We have a winner!!! Our Facebook page seems perfect for what we are talking about here, and it's already up and running. Do we really need more? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edward Dunn" >Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com >> >> here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 15 07:10:33 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:10:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, disassembling and re-assembling. On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 15 07:17:17 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:17:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> Message-ID: <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> I used to use his gaskets and they were good, WERE! I ordered some recently and they were wafer thin, warped and very much like what one might expect from VB. These were for Spitfire 1296 applications. It also took three weeks to get the right application parts which he sent twice (wrong parts each time) via next day at my expense. His response was to "just use two!" when I told him these were unacceptable. Sorry, based on that experience, never again! Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:11 AM To: robertten1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, disassembling and re-assembling. On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets > for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 15 07:18:37 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:18:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> Message-ID: good thing I stocked up on the ones for the GT6 that I like! Sounds true to form, anyway. On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: I used to use his gaskets and they were good, WERE! I ordered some recently and they were wafer thin, warped and very much like what one might expect from VB. These were for Spitfire 1296 applications. It also took three weeks to get the right application parts which he sent twice (wrong parts each time) via next day at my expense. His response was to "just use two!" when I told him these were unacceptable. Sorry, based on that experience, never again! Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:11 AM To: robertten1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, disassembling and re-assembling. On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my spares. Good Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets > for the 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a better quality gasket. I need one urgently. Robert MacKenzie NASS # 511 Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 09:13:11 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:13:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com>, <5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net>, <1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Thanks a bunch Ed.:) You have drug me kicking and screaming into the face book masses. Something I swore I would never do but the FOT fb site looked pretty neat. Now to figure out this new (to me) stuff. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > To: igofaster at att.net; yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:44:03 -0800 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > www.vintageracing.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:30 PM > To: Dennis Delap > Cc: FoT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? > Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis Delap > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" > Sent: Mon, January 14, 2013 1:20:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > I like Babcocks idea. > If we had a template that the members could access - we could start to see who > we are as a group. A bio section with pictures and words would be cool. > That said - who on the list is even interested in making a page about themself > and their Racing Triumph? > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > Actually it would be pretty easy to move it to Wordpress and then give > > all > the members author privileges. > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dennis DeLap > wrote: > > > >> Fixing the FOT website at this point will be much like eating an elephant. > >> > >> Documentation of The Kastner Cup annual event - ever since I have > >> been > attending - is almost non existent on our site. > >> We certainly have tons of pictures available. > >> Do we have a writer? > >> What is the web software? I am guessing something ancient. > >> How hard is it to add things, make changes, move stuff around? > >> Could I learn it and help out? > >> > >> Small moves - something everyday will get her done. > >> Our website should be the goto place for everything FOT. > >> > >> > >>> Dennis, > >>> > >>> The answer is the I'm the guy who updates it, and until my clients > >>> stop throwing money at me to do stuff for them, finding the time and > >>> enthuisasm to actually work on it is tough. This working for a > >>> living stuff really gets in the way of fun. > >>> > >>> Also noteworthy is there is SO MUCH STUFF going on with the > >>> 2013 KCup, I > >>> have no clue where to start. But I have confidence Jason will help > >>> bail me out... Having been involved at some level in several Kastner > >>> Cup events, I can say Joe Alexander (and his volunteer committee) > >>> are really is pulling off something pretty special here. It's seems > >>> to me all the right stuff is coming together. > >>> > >>> This might just be a very tough event to top in the future! > >>> > >>> Henry > >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Dennis Delap" > >>> To: "Joe Alexander" > >>> Cc: > >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:19 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 Misc. Ramblings >>> AMERICA...FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Speaking of the FOT website. > >>>> Why is it so outdated? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 15 09:25:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:25:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA BANQUET 2 February13 Janet Guthrie HONORED GUEST and Speaker Message-ID: <8CFC15404B9B6A4-1EE0-2EAF5@webmail-d053.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I have not attended in recent years because of winter and distance, but rethinking it with our involvement with VSCDA this year with the KASTNER CUP.....and it doesnt interfere with DISTRICT and STATE wrestling tournaments. :-) VSCDA.org for details. Anyone else in? It would be a good time to get together, and a good time. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 15 09:58:12 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:58:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA BANQUET 2 February13 Janet Guthrie HONORED GUEST and Speaker Message-ID: <29a68.41517091.3e26e4a4@aol.com> In a message dated 01/15/2013 10:25:17 AM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > I have not attended in recent years because of winter and distance, but > rethinking it with our involvement with VSCDA this year with the KASTNER > CUP.....and it doesnt interfere with DISTRICT and STATE wrestling > tournaments. > :-) > > VSCDA.org for details. Anyone else in? It would be a good time to get > together, and a good time. > Joe... Bob Wismer and I usually attend this banquet, but this year we both have family conflicts. Down through the years it has always been a great way to get together with fellow racers during the winter. VSCDA is doing something different for 2013, and holding the event in conjunction with another 'auto club' group. Not sure of the impact this will have, nor how it will work compared to what they have done in the past, but regardless...I wish I was able to go as their speaker and honored guest is Janet Guthrie, who is one classy lady and was one heck of a driver. Granted she is best known as a female Motorsports trail blazer, but more than a few believe that all she lacked was top shelf equipment and she would have been a record setter. Look what she did in TransAm and without a Major Team effort. A few years back she graced a Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team wine and cheese party at Road America with her presence. She's both a great sport, and one classy lady. Her book: Janet Guthrie-A Life at Full Throttle is a very good read and recommended. Bill Dentinger From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jan 15 10:07:39 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:07:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA BANQUET 2 February13 Janet Guthrie HONORED GUEST and Speaker In-Reply-To: <8CFC15404B9B6A4-1EE0-2EAF5@webmail-d053.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFC15404B9B6A4-1EE0-2EAF5@webmail-d053.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I've been considering it but haven't signed up yet. I think the "special room rate" expired yesterday. There's a McKee Engineering race shop tour and brunch with Bob McKee and Janet Guthrie 9:30 am to 1 pm too. Tony Drews At 10:25 AM 1/15/2013, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > >I have not attended in recent years because of winter and distance, but >rethinking it with our involvement with VSCDA this year with the KASTNER >CUP.....and it doesnt interfere with DISTRICT and STATE wrestling tournaments. >:-) > >VSCDA.org for details. Anyone else in? It would be a good time to get >together, and a good time. > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Jan 15 10:28:23 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:28:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <002401cdf1d2$abd40f00$037c2d00$@aero> <8CFC0EDA2FE8BC5-1808-265DE@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> <9815A5D4-7CAD-4ACD-B95D-8322F6C13CDF@me.com> <001f01cdf32b$066ea430$134bec90$@rr.com> Message-ID: Amici Threw another club I belong to I might be able to provide a contact at a place that can make just about any gasket (head, exhaust, intake, water pump) you might need. I am reaching out to them. Let me know if anyone is interested and I will blast an email to this club Sincerely Chris PS. I have spit parts for sale cheap! Ask and you might be surprise send what I have. On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > good thing I stocked up on the ones for the GT6 that I like! > > Sounds true to form, anyway. > > On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote: > > I used to use his gaskets and they were good, WERE! I ordered some recently > and they were wafer thin, warped and very much like what one might expect > from VB. These were for Spitfire 1296 applications. It also took three weeks > to get the right application parts which he sent twice (wrong parts each > time) via next day at my expense. His response was to "just use two!" when I > told him these were unacceptable. Sorry, based on that experience, never > again! > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:11 AM > To: robertten1 at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets > > You might try PRI. I know a lot of people have issues with PRI, but he > makes the best manifold gaskets I've found for my GT6. Heavy composite > material, so good that I have re-used these gaskets several times, > disassembling and re-assembling. > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:12 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > > I'd look for a Payen Head Set for Spit Mk1/Herald 1200. Though I'm Not sure > if you are looking for the carb gaskets or the metal sandwich > intake-manifold Head Gasket. I might have some of the Carb Gaskets in my > spares. > > Good Luck, > Bob T > '63 Spit Mk1 ( street ) > '64 Spit GT ( autocrosser ) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert bownes > To: Robert MacKenzie > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:30 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147cc Spit manifold gaskets > > > I found one at, believe it or not, NAPA. That was about 10 years ago though. > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Robert MacKenzie > wrote: >> Does anybody have a source for good intake/exhaust manifold gaskets >> for the > 1147cc Spitfire engine? I can get the $3 paper ones but am looking for a > better quality gasket. > > I need one urgently. > > Robert MacKenzie > NASS # 511 > Austin Texas > '78 1500 (street) > '71 GT6 MKIII (project) > '62 Spitfire 4 (race) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Tue Jan 15 15:14:57 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:14:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gaskets References: <002d01cdf367$db91a9f0$92b4fdd0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Amici Here is a good contact for gaskets. I remember that he has made some copper head gaskets. I think he made an exotic material (fiber type) head gasket. Don't quote me on what they can do. Find out for yourself and contact them. Chris > MERCER GASKET & SHIM INC > 110 BENIGNO BLVD > BELLMAWR, NJ 08031 > (800) 210-5000 > www.mercergasket.com > > Tom Evans > Tricars at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 15 18:27:14 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: Greetings FoT, I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to head clearance assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 Thanks as always, jim g From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 15 23:59:34 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:59:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <20130116014213.E52A54291C@autox.team.net> References: <20130116014213.E52A54291C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I run 1.3mm Am 16.01.2013 02:38 schrieb "Jim Gray" : > Greetings FoT, > > I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston > to > head clearance > > assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. > > I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 > > Thanks as always, > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 05:36:39 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:36:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gaskets References: <002d01cdf367$db91a9f0$92b4fdd0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Amici Here is a contact who has made done gaskets for folks. If I remember correctly they made a copper head gasket. Give them a shout and see what they can do Chris > > MERCER GASKET & SHIM INC > 110 BENIGNO BLVD > BELLMAWR, NJ 08031 > (800) 210-5000 > www.mercergasket.com > > Tom Evans > Tricars at verizon.net From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Jan 16 06:29:08 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:29:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Message-ID: Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson From scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 16 06:53:04 2013 From: scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com (Scott Starkweather) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:53:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles Message-ID: I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my options are? Thanks, Scott From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jan 16 07:06:38 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:06:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> You have an option: cheap and deadly or expensive and safer.......still not an absolute! I can send pictures of what happens with the first option. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Starkweather Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:53 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my options are? Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Jan 16 07:19:23 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:19:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Russ was quicker on the draw than I this morning. And he's 100% correct. $1000 for axles is a heck of a lot cheaper than getting another car. And the car isn't the only thing that can get hurt when "things go wild". This is serious stuff. And it's "safety related". Don't cheap out here, please. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 07:20:28 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:20:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> References: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8511A3DD-C6AA-49CD-9BED-60315C9C23C4@yahoo.com> Agreed. Too much risk to consider cheap as an option. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > You have an option: cheap and deadly or expensive and safer.......still not > an absolute! > I can send pictures of what happens with the first option. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Starkweather > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:53 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing > with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an > alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my > options are? > > Thanks, > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 16 07:27:40 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:27:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Starkweather" Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the > more pricey axles out there? No. > I'm wondering what my options are? Go slow on street tires and hope for the best, or listen to the guys who know firsthand and buy a set of race axles. I think we have guys here that have broken some race prepped axles, so do your homework. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 16 07:35:47 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:35:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: Message-ID: The axles that I got from Joe Siam in SoCal... have been trouble free 2003-2011..they are 1 piece...no keyway..Joe made them from Nissan stuff..Had to turn the yoke for clearance..Don't try to save money on Spitfire axles..If you cannot buy high quality...wait until you can. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Scott Starkweather" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Starkweather" > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > >> Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the >> more pricey axles out there? > > No. > >> I'm wondering what my options are? > > Go slow on street tires and hope for the best, or listen to the guys who > know firsthand and buy a set of race axles. I think we have guys here that > have broken some race prepped axles, so do your homework. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 16 07:38:43 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:38:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: Message-ID: Things go 'Wild' is right...when a Spifire axle goes...the driver is no longer in control...It happened to me with stock axles in the esses at Infineon about 9 years ago. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Scott Starkweather" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > Hi, > > Russ was quicker on the draw than I this morning. And he's 100% correct. > > $1000 for axles is a heck of a lot cheaper than getting another car. And > the car isn't the only thing that can get hurt when "things go wild". > > This is serious stuff. And it's "safety related". Don't cheap out here, > please. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 16 07:41:23 2013 From: scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com (Scott Starkweather) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Message loud and clear! I absolutely agree that safety comes first. I'll be getting my axles ordered soon. Thanks everyone, Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:27 AM, wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Starkweather" > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > >> Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an alternative to the >> more pricey axles out there? > > No. > >> I'm wondering what my options are? > > Go slow on street tires and hope for the best, or listen to the guys who > know firsthand and buy a set of race axles. I think we have guys here that > have broken some race prepped axles, so do your homework. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 08:22:46 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jan 16 08:32:23 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:32:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> I have been using a Quaife in my Spitfire for the last 10 years. I have no complaints other than the fact that, once you lift the right rear tire, you've got an open diff. Otherwise, so far so good. I'll be experimenting with a Detroit Locker this year, which I hear is going to require a slight modification of driving style. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charles WATSON Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:29 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jan 16 08:41:30 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the 'breakaway" of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car up (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it takes to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes some test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" diff I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little extra :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. CheersTony > To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. > > we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: FOT List > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But > I > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > to > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > Quaife > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jan 16 08:46:55 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:46:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: , , <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps in the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new diffs ...as of yet. > From: horizonracing at msn.com > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply > because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the 'breakaway" > of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a > breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car up > (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it takes > to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes some > test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" diff > I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I > increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little extra > :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. > CheersTony > > To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > > > i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. > > > > we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles WATSON > > To: FOT List > > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am > > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > > > > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. > But > > I > > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > > to > > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > > Quaife > > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > > appreciated! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Watson > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jan 16 08:52:10 2013 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:52:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: , <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC21893BF98D6-95C-1A54C@webmail-m183.sysops.aol.com> If you intend to keep the Roto's for a while I'd be cautious applying any of the aggressive differential options. My GT6 had a quaife for many years because of the opinion offered above. I noticed a significant improvement in traction out of the hairpin at Phoenix Raceway the first time I used it. It's true that you can't lift a tire though. When I went to the Datsun hubs and halfshafts I progressed through Detroit Lockers and welded diffs and sold the quaife as surplus. I don't know of any clutch diffs for our cars. And don't even fantasize about gaining any advantage from that stupid "Phantom Grip"! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; clw2000 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply ecause there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the 'breakaway" f the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a reakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car up Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it takes o turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes some est time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" diff 've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I ncreased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little extra ) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. heersTony > To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net From: n197tr4 at cs.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. ut I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 08:52:29 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:52:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CFC2189F3A4F8E-1260-3B47F@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Lifting Wheel: It's not clear to us what we did with the suspension, but the wheel does not lift and spin on our TR4. It did in the first few years. We do have a slightly wider track when we added spacers. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: 'Charles WATSON' ; FOT List Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:35 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD I have been using a Quaife in my Spitfire for the last 10 years. I have no complaints other than the fact that, once you lift the right rear tire, you've got an open diff. Otherwise, so far so good. I'll be experimenting with a Detroit Locker this year, which I hear is going to require a slight modification of driving style. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charles WATSON Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:29 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jan 16 09:41:55 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles References: <002a01cdf3f2$b3c04590$1b40d0b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <95EC88B0F41D474BA6329737642487AE@hpd530> I agree with Russ. Although I drive a TR6, it had notoriously weak rear hubs. The best $800 or so that I ever spent was on Good's rear hubs. Not to mention Uncle Jack's front spindles. My $0.02 worth. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Scott Starkweather'" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > You have an option: cheap and deadly or expensive and safer.......still > not > an absolute! > I can send pictures of what happens with the first option. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Starkweather > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:53 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles > > I'm in the process of preparing a 1500 Spit on a budget for vintage racing > with VSCDA. Is there an economical, safe rear axle solution as an > alternative to the more pricey axles out there? I'm wondering what my > options are? > > Thanks, > Scott > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 09:46:01 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gaskets Message-ID: Amici, Here is a contact who has made some gaskets for our British cars. I believe he has made, among other things, copper head gaskets MERCER GASKET & SHIM INC 110 BENIGNO BLVD BELLMAWR, NJ 08031 (800) 210-5000 www.mercergasket.com Tom Evans tricars at verizon.net From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 16 09:49:53 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm with Steve - my GT6 has a welded 3.89 in it. There was one in the car when I got it, who knows how old, just destructed this summer after eight years of racing (and I coasted into pit lane with the rear end sounding like a can of bolts). I now have another 3.89 in the car, and a spare one welded up. They're cheap and reliable. They do require a certain driving style for this nose-heavy car - brake mostly before you are in the turn and get on the gas early to aim the car. Cars with welded rears are a pain to roll around the paddock or garage, however! On Jan 16, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Charles WATSON wrote: Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 16 10:25:41 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:25:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <002101cdf40e$84a09b90$8de1d2b0$@com> I had used a welded diff over the years with great success and tried last year a new Bastuck LSD diff. The Bastuck design has a lock from 50-98 percent depending how much throttle you give. More throttle = more lock. It has no ramps only clutch shims and no preload. (it has ramps but in a different way) It feels like a welded diff but you can drive the car around sharp corners like with an open diff. Very smooth unit. Cheers Chris From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 16 11:04:40 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:04:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Message-ID: Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Jan 16 11:25:00 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bastuck LSD References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <002101cdf40e$84a09b90$8de1d2b0$@com> Message-ID: Does anybody have any more information on these units? Will they hold up to the rigors of TR racing? http://www.bastuck.de/shop/index.php?cat=10000&hg=11100 The Bastic website shows the unit sells for 666 euro, or under US$900. They should not change the VAT when shipping to outside the EU. I emailed them about shipping cost to the USA. Sounds very affordable. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >I had used a welded diff over the years with great success and tried last > year a new Bastuck LSD diff. > The Bastuck design has a lock from 50-98 percent depending how much > throttle > you give. > More throttle = more lock. > It has no ramps only clutch shims and no preload. (it has ramps but in a > different way) > It feels like a welded diff but you can drive the car around sharp corners > like with an open diff. > Very smooth unit. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 11:48:57 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:48:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Shawn, good questions. I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can bring you a couple Saturday. Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest style email? Who do I ask about that? Thank you, Shawn Frank From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 16 11:50:44 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Jason raises some excellent points on weak links in the system - my drivetrain is virtually non-stock, with a TR4-6 transmission (GT6 ones last a couple of weekends if you are lucky), a modified driveshaft, the welded rear, halfshafts with spicer u-joints inside and outside, and modified uprights with larger bearings and Corvair stub axles. With the exception of the transmission, this is the way the car came to me, as it was raced in SCCA club racing back in the day. On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jan 16 12:13:18 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:13:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bastuck LSD References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E818F90@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com><002101cdf40e$84a09b90$8de1d2b0$@com> Message-ID: <95160196FE244FA497DE03592FBE64FC@Charly> Isn't that the Tran-x unit? Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "MadMarx" ; "'FOT List'" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [Fot] Bastuck LSD > Does anybody have any more information on these units? Will they hold up > to the rigors of TR racing? > > http://www.bastuck.de/shop/index.php?cat=10000&hg=11100 > > The Bastic website shows the unit sells for 666 euro, or under US$900. > They should not change the VAT when shipping to outside the EU. I emailed > them about shipping cost to the USA. > > Sounds very affordable. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > > >>I had used a welded diff over the years with great success and tried last >> year a new Bastuck LSD diff. >> The Bastuck design has a lock from 50-98 percent depending how much >> throttle >> you give. >> More throttle = more lock. >> It has no ramps only clutch shims and no preload. (it has ramps but in a >> different way) >> It feels like a welded diff but you can drive the car around sharp >> corners >> like with an open diff. >> Very smooth unit. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jan 16 12:23:33 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:23:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cdf41e$f98c9a70$eca5cf50$@net> I would be interested in these items also. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:49 PM To: my71spit13 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email Shawn, good questions. I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can bring you a couple Saturday. Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest style email? Who do I ask about that? Thank you, Shawn Frank _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jan 16 12:50:15 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:50:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50F70477.2020005@bradakis.com> Digest? Click on your 'Unsubscribe/Manage' link below. mjb. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 12:55:19 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:55:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Shawn, good questions. > > I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else > wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can > bring you a couple Saturday. > > Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. > > Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Frank > To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm > Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email > > > > Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? > Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there > any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest > style email? Who do I ask about that? > > Thank you, > > Shawn Frank > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Jan 16 13:01:16 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: I appreciate all the advice and comments. To round out the picture, I am converting to a TR6 trans and am replacing the rotoflex system with a much beefier CV set up. Trying to start with upgraded components where I know there will be failures otherwise. I like the idea of staying with the stock 3.89 if it is not ridiculously uncompetitive and then moving to the welded diff later. Seems like an economical progression too. Thanks, Chuck Watson Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD From: sjanzen at me.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:50:44 -0500 CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net To: jason at multivintage.com Jason raises some excellent points on weak links in the system - my drivetrain is virtually non-stock, with a TR4-6 transmission (GT6 ones last a couple of weekends if you are lucky), a modified driveshaft, the welded rear, halfshafts with spicer u-joints inside and outside, and modified uprights with larger bearings and Corvair stub axles. With the exception of the transmission, this is the way the car came to me, as it was raced in SCCA club racing back in the day. On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Jan 16 13:31:07 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:31:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: <50F70E0B.1000908@comcast.net> I suspect the GT6 rear suspension will work much better than the Spitfire's swing axles. Years ago, I tried racing a Spit with an open diff for one weekend. It was horrid. The inside rear got so light in the turns that I could spin the Goodyear slick in third gear at 70 mph. Put in a welded diff and knocked around 2 seconds off the lap time if I remember correctly. On 1/16/2013 12:01 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > I appreciate all the advice and comments. To round out the picture, I am > converting to a TR6 trans and am replacing the rotoflex system with a much > beefier CV set up. Trying to start with upgraded components where I know > there will be failures otherwise. I like the idea of staying with the stock > 3.89 if it is not ridiculously uncompetitive and then moving to the welded > diff later. Seems like an economical progression too. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson From chasgee at aol.com Wed Jan 16 13:39:15 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:39:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> Or you could just buy mine and skip all of this development stuff. ;). Chuck On Jan 16, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > I appreciate all the advice and comments. To round out the picture, I am > converting to a TR6 trans and am replacing the rotoflex system with a much > beefier CV set up. Trying to start with upgraded components where I know > there will be failures otherwise. I like the idea of staying with the stock > 3.89 if it is not ridiculously uncompetitive and then moving to the welded > diff later. Seems like an economical progression too. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > From: sjanzen at me.com > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:50:44 -0500 > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > To: jason at multivintage.com > > Jason raises some excellent points on weak links in the system - my drivetrain > is virtually non-stock, with a TR4-6 transmission (GT6 ones last a couple of > weekends if you are lucky), a modified driveshaft, the welded rear, halfshafts > with spicer u-joints inside and outside, and modified uprights with larger > bearings and Corvair stub axles. > With the exception of the transmission, this is the way the car came to me, as > it was raced in SCCA club racing back in the day. > > > > > On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd > buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like > TSI or similar trusted source) > Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He > went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder > on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will > be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your > driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key > components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how > to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first > season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) > stock diff. > I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. > In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced > choice. > BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between > gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a > "trick" diff. may serve you well. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > ------Original Message------ > From: Charles WATSON > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: FOT List > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But > I > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > to > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > Quaife > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 14:14:50 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:14:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> FOT: It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and Marty Sukey. This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, shipping, ad nauseum. You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not be further runs. As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. Any other ideas? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Joe Alexander Cc: my71spit13 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 16 14:37:19 2013 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:37:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <000001cdf41e$f98c9a70$eca5cf50$@net> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <000001cdf41e$f98c9a70$eca5cf50$@net> Message-ID: If anybody needs any large size FOT (or other type) decals, I can do these on a low volume basis for anyone who wants some. Just shoot me an email. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:24 PM To: 'Joe Alexander'; my71spit13 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I would be interested in these items also. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:49 PM To: my71spit13 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email Shawn, good questions. I have stickers....Joe Curry sent me the balance of his stock. If anyone else wants one, contact me off list. These are the ones that are about 3 x 3. I can bring you a couple Saturday. Christopher Bock has grill badges and flags.....he will likely respond. Some one will likely help you get to digest version, like Mark Bradakis. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank To: gasket.works ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:39 pm Subject: Stickers, grill badge, digest email Are there grill badges available for FoT? How about stickers? If so, how much? Where do I find them to see what they look like? Available online? Is there any way to change my email preferences from my current setting to a digest style email? Who do I ask about that? Thank you, Shawn Frank _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Jan 16 14:34:45 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I believe those diffs are also available from others - Racestorations are not the sole supplier. TR Enterprises in Nottingham definately can supply and as I've found at a good price. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Jan 2013, at 15:46, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps in > the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who > used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available > through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new diffs > ...as of yet. >> From: horizonracing at msn.com >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >> >> Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply >> because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the > 'breakaway" >> of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a >> breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car > up >> (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it > takes >> to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes > some >> test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" > diff >> I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I >> increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little > extra >> :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. >> CheersTony >>> To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. >>> >>> we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> A. R. E. >>> 645 1st Street >>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>> n197tr4 at cs.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Charles WATSON >>> To: FOT List >>> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am >>> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> >>> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. >> But >>> I >>> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go > back >>> to >>> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >>> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the >>> Quaife >>> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >>> appreciated! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 16 15:01:57 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:01:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > Or you could just buy mine and skip all of this development stuff. ;). > > Chuck > Interesting proposition Eh Watson? > > Of course, Mr. Gee, Although we have no doubts about the quality of your design and potential for performance... We have yet to hear so much as a peep as far as race reports go.(at least here on FoT) It sure looks lovely on paper. Got any wear on that rubber? Rumor has it you are busy with work and have not had much free time to get that baby out on track? How's that sweet looking coupe performing? Look at this Gaggle of interested geese! If you get a chance, Can you give us any update on that gt6.... anything since the book came out? How does it compare with your Cup winning spitfire for example? Sorry to bother but its really cold out here and all some of us can do right now is TALK about Racing. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 15:03:58 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:03:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD now TR ENTERPRISES In-Reply-To: References: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC24C84D5A1DD-1260-3F32E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Yes, TR ENTERPRISES AND Simon Watson, Parts Manager for TR Enterprises will be one of our UK Guests at KCUP 2013. This would be a good time to ask him about these and other parts that are available thru TR ENTERPRISES. Jon Wood, who is a Master Triumph Wrench for our race cars will be coming, as well. The Kastner Cup at Road America is going to be a very good place to be in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: TR4 Tony To: Tony and Annie Garmey Cc: ; ; Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD I believe those diffs are also available from others - Racestorations are not the sole supplier. TR Enterprises in Nottingham definately can supply and as I've found at a good price. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Jan 2013, at 15:46, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps in > the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who > used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available > through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new diffs > ...as of yet. >> From: horizonracing at msn.com >> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >> >> Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply >> because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the > 'breakaway" >> of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a >> breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car > up >> (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it > takes >> to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes > some >> test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" > diff >> I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I >> increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little > extra >> :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. >> CheersTony >>> To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. >>> >>> we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> A. R. E. >>> 645 1st Street >>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>> n197tr4 at cs.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Charles WATSON >>> To: FOT List >>> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am >>> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> >>> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. >> But >>> I >>> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go > back >>> to >>> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >>> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the >>> Quaife >>> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >>> appreciated! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:29:46 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:29:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <8CFC21477D32852-1260-3AE7E@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8E2CAD6A-A479-4425-8CC2-45A3A51CA474@aol.com> I have an extra stick diff if anyone is interested. Chris On Jan 16, 2013, at 4:34 PM, TR4 Tony wrote: > I believe those diffs are also available from others - Racestorations are not > the sole supplier. TR Enterprises in Nottingham definately can supply and as > I've found at a good price. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 16 Jan 2013, at 15:46, Tony and Annie Garmey > wrote: > >> I would also like to add, that you can replace the clutch plates and ramps > in >> the tran x diffs. The Tran x Brand has been sold to quaife and the guys who >> used to make Tran x, are making there own version...which is only available >> through Darrel at racetorations in the uk. I've not seen or used the new > diffs >> ...as of yet. >>> From: horizonracing at msn.com >>> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:41:30 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>> >>> Although I have a quaife in the K car, I prefer a Clutch type LSD simply >>> because there tune-able. I have made tools to be able to check the >> 'breakaway" >>> of the clutch plates. Peyote and the Devin use Tran x brand diffs with a >>> breakaway of 35-40lbs. My MGB's run at 50-55lbs and we set the Can Am car >> up >>> (Hewland) with a 20-25 lbs. By breakaway, I mean the amount of force it >> takes >>> to turn one wheel. Every driver and car set up is different and its takes >> some >>> test time to find a happy spot. The only "failure" of a quaife "torson" >> diff >>> I've found is the spring washers breaking and maybe that was because I >>> increased the pre loaded of the shim pack looking for something a little >> extra >>> :) . i also recommend redline heavy weight shock proof gear oil. >>> CheersTony >>>> To: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >>>> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:22:46 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>>> >>>> i've never heard of a failure with a quaife. >>>> >>>> we installed ours 20 years ago and have never opened it up again. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> A. R. E. >>>> 645 1st Street >>>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>>> n197tr4 at cs.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Charles WATSON >>>> To: FOT List >>>> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31 am >>>> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >>>> >>>> >>>> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. >>> But >>>> I >>>> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go >> back >>>> to >>>> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >>>> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the >>>> Quaife >>>> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >>>> appreciated! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Watson >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:39:48 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:39:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> References: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> I've always run welded diffs in my cars. I don't know about them being the advanced choice, but they are cheap and very effective, especially in light cars like ours. I also have Detroit Lockers that I haven't played with yet. Kas and Barker like them better than welded. If I had one at Portland in the rain a few years ago, the rear end may have been more forgiving and I might not ended in the wall. That's what Jerry Barker tells me anyway. Chuck On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:04 AM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, like TSI or similar trusted source) > Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) stock diff. > I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the advanced choice. > BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a "trick" diff. may serve you well. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > ------Original Message------ > From: Charles WATSON > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: FOT List > Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD > Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM > > Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But I > have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back to > a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go > stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the Quaife > units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is > appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:46:56 2013 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:46:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180901.346C942928@autox.team.net> <7A9AC6E2-462A-46CA-A9F7-64D815190B83@aol.com> Message-ID: <735259D7-C66A-409A-9453-8A63F3390180@aol.com> I've had it out a few times and its coming along nicely. Still some teething issues with carburetor settings and spring rates but hey, tuning is what it's all about. The last race I finished 8th out of about 35, third in class. Not bad for a relatively new car and not being a regular at the track for a while. The best thing was that nothing broke and I didn't have to fix anything. Just messed with tuning stuff. I plan on getting out a little more this year, including the Cup race at Elkhart. Looks like about a 70% chance that I'll be there. The car should be very developed by then. Chuck On Jan 16, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: >> Or you could just buy mine and skip all of this development stuff. ;). >> >> Chuck >> Interesting proposition Eh Watson? > Of course, Mr. Gee, Although we have no doubts about the quality of your design and potential for performance... We have yet to hear so much as a peep as far as race reports go.(at least here on FoT) > It sure looks lovely on paper. > Got any wear on that rubber? > Rumor has it you are busy with work and have not had much free time to get that baby out on track? > How's that sweet looking coupe performing? > Look at this Gaggle of interested geese! > If you get a chance, Can you give us any update on that gt6.... anything since the book came out? How does it compare with your Cup winning spitfire for example? > > Sorry to bother but its really cold out here and all some of us can do right now is TALK about Racing. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 16:46:56 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:46:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> References: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm very fond of a good LSD, they give you all the traction you're going to get without drama. Lockers are dramatic and affect the handling. I don't see a need to have something more that I need to manage. Welded is fine except for the handling oddities--again, something you have to drive around. I like having the car take care of that stuff so I don't have to. On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > I've always run welded diffs in my cars. I don't know about them being the > advanced choice, but they are cheap and very effective, especially in light > cars like ours. I also have Detroit Lockers that I haven't played with yet. > Kas and Barker like them better than welded. If I had one at Portland in the > rain a few years ago, the rear end may have been more forgiving and I might > not ended in the wall. > > That's what Jerry Barker tells me anyway. > > Chuck > > On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:04 AM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > >> Hey Chuck, lots of interesting feedback here. If I were in your position, > I'd buy a couple good used 3.89's. (From a reliable used Triumph parts guy, > like TSI or similar trusted source) >> Speaking from experience and paying specific attention to what Steve said. > (He went through slow progression of set-ups that actually get harder and > harder on the drive train with each developement) Like all of us GT6 guys, you > will be embarking on a long path of finding drivetrain solidity that fits your > driving style. In this process, you are most likely going to destroy a few key > components. (Every one of us has). Perhaps, for the process of learning how > to drive this car at hi speed and getting it initially sorted. For your first > season, you may be very wise in the pocketbook, to start a regular old (good) > stock diff. >> I think that (specifically for the gt6) you can take the Quaife off the > table. In the end, I agree with Scott and Steve; the welded set up is the > advanced choice. >> BUT, its effectiveness leaves no room for errors in the transition between > gears. Perfect rev matching is required and lots of seat time prior to a > "trick" diff. may serve you well. >> >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Charles WATSON >> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> To: FOT List >> Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD >> Sent: Jan 16, 2013 7:29 AM >> >> Well my GT6 has O/D and so it was supposed to have the 3.89 ratio diff. But > I >> have found that was swapped out at some point to a 3.27. I want to go back > to >> a 3.89 unit. Any good sources for one? And for road racing, should I go >> stock, weld it, or go with a LSD. I hear of a lot of failures with the > Quaife >> units - so I hate to throw a grand at that product. Any advice is >> appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Watson >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com >> >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:58:27 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:58:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have quite a bit of badges and flags. However a second run of each can be done if needed. Chris On Jan 16, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. > > Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and > Marty Sukey. > > This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, > shipping, ad nauseum. > > You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not > be further runs. > > As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY > TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I > am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars > for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some > signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. > > Any other ideas? > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Bock > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: my71spit13 ; fot > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email > > > I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to > you. > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 16 17:24:29 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:24:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: References: <20130116180908.90348429EF@autox.team.net> <441C3EDF-3756-4D6F-9434-AE356DF69F8D@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm very fond of a good LSD, Quick clarification in regards to this thread. Is there a LSD clutch type for the GT6 currently available? Thanks Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jsclark at live.ca Wed Jan 16 17:40:36 2013 From: jsclark at live.ca (Jeff Clark) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:40:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup Message-ID: I'm 90% certain you can add another GT6 to the field for the Kasner Cup, the track is only 16 hours from Ottawa and if she stays together for the 2013 season I'll be there, sounds like it's going to be a blast!Jeff Clark71 Gt6 #56 From igofaster at att.net Wed Jan 16 18:54:30 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:54:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <15C0F216E1BF4DA598B4CE95D3AD97BF@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1358035484.7553.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><69B43FBD-0A77-471A-B64C-8B6F2980B0B2@bnj.com><5A509E0A-8BC9-4A39-B56B-90E43F7729A5@sbcglobal.net><1358209805.34681.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADCDF0@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <15C0F216E1BF4DA598B4CE95D3AD97BF@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1358387670.35851.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> put some pix on tonight... I agree... if you aren't on facebook it's okay to cross over to the light... Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, January 15, 2013 4:19:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com Ding ding ding ding..... We have a winner!!! Our Facebook page seems perfect for what we are talking about here, and it's already up and running. Do we really need more? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Edward Dunn" >Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com > > Yes, we do! https://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> Subject: Re: [Fot] fot-racing.com >> >> here's a dumb idea....how about a facebook page....do we even have one? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Jan 16 19:09:27 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:09:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD Message-ID: <20aa2.178ee217.3e28b757@aol.com> Yeah, this thread has gotten confusing with the TR crowd answering a small chassis question. It's all good stuff but can get confusing. The two are not interchangable so maybe any subsequent responders could clarify the size they are referring to. Cuz I like reading about it all....;-)) In a message dated 1/16/2013 4:25:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jason at multivintage.com writes: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm very fond of a good LSD, Quick clarification in regards to this thread. Is there a LSD clutch type for the GT6 currently available? Thanks Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 16 19:43:10 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advice on Differential - Stock, Lock or LSD In-Reply-To: <20aa2.178ee217.3e28b757@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130117024310.MM9OQ.5060.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> > Quick clarification in regards to this thread. > Is there a LSD clutch type for the GT6 currently available? Bastuck has one listed on their Spit/GT6/Vitesse page, part number D200SPT. I assume that means it will fit a GT6, but I don't claim to know. Unfortunately it seems that direct links don't work, and their web site is a bit difficult to navigate. But here is a starting point: http://www.bastuck.de/ Randall From igofaster at att.net Wed Jan 16 19:44:19 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:44:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1358390659.15323.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> free beer for everybody ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 16, 2013 3:17:01 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA FOT: It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and Marty Sukey. This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, shipping, ad nauseum. You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not be further runs. As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. Any other ideas? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Joe Alexander Cc: my71spit13 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 16 19:50:54 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA In-Reply-To: <1358390659.15323.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> <8CFC245A7436262-1260-3EAD2@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <1358390659.15323.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC2749A47155E-1260-4256B@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> free beer for everybody ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ FRIDAY nite at the KCUP is free beer nite for all drivers and crew............... From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 16, 2013 3:17:01 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA FOT: It looks like we are going to have a run on FOT REGALIA. Our benefactors on regalia have been folks like Joe Curry, Chris Bock, and Marty Sukey. This is a patently obnoxious undertaking.....sizes, quantities, collections, shipping, ad nauseum. You'd better grab what Chris Bock has for BADGES and FLAGS.....there might not be further runs. As for the FOT LOGO STICKERS.....I already have an account at SIGNS BY TOMORROW in Cedar Falls. I think I will get a quote on the LOGO stickers. I am also thinking about getting the "OK TO RACE KAS KASTNER" clear mylars for applications to the cars at the KASTNER CUP. I will also look at some signage featuring the "Sponsors" of the 2013 KASTNER CUP. Any other ideas? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: Joe Alexander Cc: my71spit13 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to you. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Jan 16 20:10:39 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:10:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1358392239.19296.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Robert: The sad thing is there are no $1,000.00 axles out there. The options are the axles Joe Siam sells, for I believe, north of $2,000, and the ones I designed for Summer's Brothers which were around $1,200 the last time I ordered a couple of sets in 2006-2007. IMHO I would not buy the Summer's Brothers axles anymore. After I gave them permission to use my design and build as they required they changed the design to; in my opinion, a inferior design with cheaper, smaller bearings. The first twenty or so sets were as we wanted, but the last two sets were pure junk. The original thought with the Summer's axles was to make a reasonably priced one piece axle using a Triumph lower trunnion modified for bigger bearings that could be bolted on with no other mods. We were successful with that, but, smaller bearings were substituted and the retainer ring was changed. The last two sets have had problems. If I were buying a set of Spitfire axles today I would buy the ones from Joe S. This coming from the guy that designed the ones that Summer's sells. Joe's are a far superior design. Everything is enlarged beyond the minimal safe requirements, and although it uses custom parts instead of Stanpart trunnions and vertical links it does not require mods to your car. Scott: Buy the ones from Joe S. -Ed Barnard- --- On Wed, 1/16/13, Robert M. Lang wrote: From: Robert M. Lang Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear axles To: "Scott Starkweather" Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 8:19 AM Hi, Russ was quicker on the draw than I this morning. And he's 100% correct. $1000 for axles is a heck of a lot cheaper than getting another car. And the car isn't the only thing that can get hurt when "things go wild". This is serious stuff. And it's "safety related". Don't cheap out here, please. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Thu Jan 17 05:58:47 2013 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 06:58:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles Message-ID: I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved to race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type this if it had been there. I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle breaks the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Jan 17 06:48:18 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002001cdf4b9$4e8bbc00$eba33400$@rr.com> It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a number of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was being offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved to race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type this if it had been there. I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle breaks the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 17 09:52:39 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:52:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles References: <002001cdf4b9$4e8bbc00$eba33400$@rr.com> Message-ID: Contact Joe Siam..he may be up for making a set..he's with FOT RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" ; Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles > It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a > number > of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was > being > offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff > you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles > > I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros > axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again > and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved > to > race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 > rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it > was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in > 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type > this > if it had been there. > I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. > Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle > breaks > the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Jan 17 13:19:52 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:19:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit gt6 diff Message-ID: <7D1DE468-C7DD-4F6B-B25B-3CAF57D55B4D@aol.com> Amici. Can a spit diff (FH) be used in a GT6? Can 2 extra studs be drilled into the case? Thanks Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 17 13:36:12 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:36:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com>, , <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> , <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I just received a complimentary copy of TRIUMPH WORLD.....mentioned by Bill Dentinger, recently. It has become quite a substantial magazine. I marvel at how much goes on in the UK, regarding the TR MARQUE, when you consider a reported 90% was exported from the UK, elsewhere. John Clancy has provided a link to TRIUMPH WORLD for a digital version. (see below) John and his wife are hoping to include the KCUP 2013 in their travel plans this year. We are working on this with them. John has some amazing documentary DVDs in the works. Well worth supporting John in his efforts. check out www,triumphdvd.co.uk and the trailers. Anyway, this digital issue contains an extensive interview with Kas Kastner and a second installment will be available next month. Like I said, TRIUMPH WORLD has become a pretty meaty magazine....and you might be in it, and dont know it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Clancy To: Joe Alexander Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:57 am Subject: RE: Repair Panel Installation Guide - NRP DVD Simon Goldsworthy the editor of Triumph World sent both you and Kas a copy of the mag. It's not very well known in America which is a shame. However, they recently started producing it as a download and the current issue is here - http://www.pocketmags.com/viewmagazine.aspx?titleid=662&title=Triumph+World - perhaps next time you send out an email to the FOT list it might be an idea to mention this digital version. With this issue and the next it will be entirely relevant too because Kas is in them. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jan 17 13:43:04 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:43:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com>, , <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> , <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50F86258.8000702@bradakis.com> I used to subscribe, but the company that was acting as the US distributor screwed something up, I don't recall the exact circumstances. Maybe I'll get around to signing up again. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jan 17 13:50:43 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:50:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: <50F86258.8000702@bradakis.com> References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com>, , <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> , <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> <50F86258.8000702@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CFC30B73535314-978-48E10@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> I had a subscription at one time and we had a US correspondent that was an FOT. I let the subscription lapse... Now, with John Clancy, we have a new connection with the magazine. I am sure he will continue to contribute to TRIUMPH WORLD. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD I used to subscribe, but the company that was acting as the US distributor screwed something up, I don't recall the exact circumstances. Maybe I'll get around to signing up again. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 17 13:53:55 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:53:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH WORLD In-Reply-To: <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> References: <2c7f2.352737ae.3e28435a@cs.com> <8CFC2D78DC747C8-190-43E10@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC2DF4B9E111A-190-446EA@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC3096BE24614-978-48AEC@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1318628A-3064-4EFE-8F7F-9C3118B089EC@austin.rr.com> We buy the magazine and distribute them at club meetings to 9 "subscribers". That made us a dealer. We get a box every few months and collect in ) month increments. I think it is $4.50 an issue this way. It would work if you have a club with regular meetings. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > I just received a complimentary copy of TRIUMPH WORLD.....mentioned by Bill > Dentinger, recently. It has become quite a substantial magazine. I marvel at > how much goes on in the UK, regarding the TR MARQUE, when you consider a > reported 90% was exported from the UK, elsewhere. > > John Clancy has provided a link to TRIUMPH WORLD for a digital version. (see > below) John and his wife are hoping to include the KCUP 2013 in their travel > plans this year. We are working on this with them. John has some amazing > documentary DVDs in the works. Well worth supporting John in his efforts. > check out www,triumphdvd.co.uk and the trailers. > > Anyway, this digital issue contains an extensive interview with Kas Kastner > and a second installment will be available next month. Like I said, TRIUMPH > WORLD has become a pretty meaty magazine....and you might be in it, and dont > know it. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Clancy > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:57 am > Subject: RE: Repair Panel Installation Guide - NRP DVD > > > Simon Goldsworthy the editor of Triumph World sent both you and Kas a copy of > the mag. It's not very well known in America which is a shame. However, they > recently started producing it as a download and the current issue is here - > http://www.pocketmags.com/viewmagazine.aspx?titleid=662&title=Triumph+World - > perhaps next time you send out an email to the FOT list it might be an idea to > mention this digital version. With this issue and the next it will be > entirely relevant too because Kas is in them. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Thu Jan 17 17:31:16 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:31:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks Message-ID: <7AC8408F-9690-41D8-BFB1-1B32E2A7529B@charter.net> From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Jan 17 17:33:32 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:33:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks In-Reply-To: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> Message-ID: <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: Jerry Barr To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From jeffwhall at aol.com Thu Jan 17 19:59:45 2013 From: jeffwhall at aol.com (jeffwhall at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> Message-ID: <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Hay guys, Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? Jeff Hall -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: Jerry Barr To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jan 17 20:08:26 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:08:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jeffwhall at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires Hay guys, Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? Jeff Hall -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: Jerry Barr To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Jan 17 20:39:59 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:39:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles In-Reply-To: <002001cdf4b9$4e8bbc00$eba33400$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1358480399.81989.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Russ: Yes, as you said they have changed hands...many times. When I designed them after our meet at MO in 2002, Mrs Summers still owned the company, and retained it through the first two or three orders. After that it went to another group whom I had no problem getting good product from. After them, in about 2006, it went to two guys with manufacturing backgrounds. It was at this time that things started to fall apart. It took about 6-8 months to get the last pair from these guys. It may have sold again since then. Just to clarify things; Summers can build good stuff. When Joe Siam started with his design, about the same time I was trying to get the last pair, Joe was bringing his design out. His axles were being made by Summers, and we were competing for production time. I don't know if Joe still uses Summers to make the axles for his conversion, but, the axles were not the weak point of my design. It was the bearing change. Besides, Joe's axles are designed with a much greater safety margin. The axles I designed filled a need until someone was willing to jump in with something better. -Ed- --- On Thu, 1/17/13, Spitfire Racing wrote: From: Spitfire Racing Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 7:48 AM It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a number of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was being offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved to race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type this if it had been there. I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle breaks the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 17 21:06:39 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:06:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles References: <1358480399.81989.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When i got mine from Joe Siam he told me that lubing before each race weekend is extreemely important. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" ; ; "Spitfire Racing" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles > Russ: > Yes, as you said they have changed hands...many times. When I designed > them > after our meet at MO in 2002, Mrs Summers still owned the company, and > retained it through the first two or three orders. After that it went to > another group whom I had no problem getting good product from. After them, > in > about 2006, it went to two guys with manufacturing backgrounds. It was at > this > time that things started to fall apart. It took about 6-8 months to get > the > last pair from these guys. It may have sold again since then. > Just to clarify things; Summers can build good stuff. When Joe Siam > started > with his design, about the same time I was trying to get the last pair, > Joe > was bringing his design out. His axles were being made by Summers, and we > were > competing for production time. I don't know if Joe still uses Summers to > make > the axles for his conversion, but, the axles were not the weak point of my > design. It was the bearing change. Besides, Joe's axles are designed with > a > much greater safety margin. The axles I designed filled a need until > someone > was willing to jump in with something better. > -Ed- > > > --- On Thu, 1/17/13, Spitfire Racing wrote: > > > From: Spitfire Racing > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire axles > To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" , > fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 7:48 AM > > > It's my understanding the company "Summers Brothers" has been sold a > number > of times in the past 10-15 years. What they sell today is not what was > being > offered back in the day. At one point their one piece axles were the stuff > you could put on a coffee table in the living room as art work. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:59 AM > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire axles > > I have to agree with Ed Barnard, I am the guy that bought new Summers Bros > axles on the advise of past buyers and they changed the design even again > and didn't tell me. Currently I have a old SCCA Square tail that I loved > to > race that is in 1000 pieces as the axles failed at Savannah and I did 4.5 > rolls and that was in two different left and right directions. Luckily it > was on the back part of the track vs the long last turn sweeper at WFO in > 4th gear or the slow down for the 1 corner. I might not be able to type > this > if it had been there. > I am currently converting this car to GT6 type axles with CV joints. > Hopefully it will work out great. With the GT6 stuff even if an axle > breaks > the wheel stays verticle and you can drive out of the situation safely. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From clw2000 at msn.com Fri Jan 18 07:17:49 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:17:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur>, <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur>, <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Check out Acme Speed Shop, here in Greenville SC. They are a dealer for VTO and can custom order or have a stock fitting. I know the owner (Hap) and he is a well known MG vintage racer. www.acmespeedshop.com Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; jerrybarr at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Jan 18 07:25:39 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:25:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: References: <55425d6b-ad13-4300-821c-43cbfd42c390@blur> <0d606a8e-fd20-4ae5-b8ae-df5700433587@blur> <8CFC33F01881157-84C-390DC@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Amici Just say I was going to use joes rear axles and aluminum hubs for the front of my spit. Would it be easier to change the bolt pattern to a more common pattern to be able to use more accessible rims? If so what would the bolt pattern be? Chris On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Charles WATSON wrote: > Check out Acme Speed Shop, here in Greenville SC. They are a dealer for VTO > and can custom order or have a stock fitting. I know the owner (Hap) and he > is a well known MG vintage racer. www.acmespeedshop.com > > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > >> To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; jerrybarr at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net >> From: jeffwhall at aol.com >> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 -0500 >> Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires >> >> Hay guys, >> >> Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? >> >> Jeff Hall >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barr, Scott >> To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends >> >> Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks >> >> >> Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. >> >> Scott B. >> >> Scott Barr >> McCarty Law LLP >> (920) 257-2233 >> www.mccarty-law.com >> >> >> -----Original message----- >> From: Jerry Barr >> To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" >> Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 >> Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From jkhagen at charter.net Fri Jan 18 07:32:25 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:32:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires Message-ID: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even TR-3-4. Has anyone have to upgrade these? Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. Have seen it done through my TVR experience. Comments? John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street > T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options > (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: > ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Jan 18 10:30:56 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:30:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Triumph GT6 front springs and shocks Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Dad seems to be having some trouble posting to the list at the moment. Here's what he wanted to ask: "I am rebuilding the front shocks and springs on my #59 Red 68 GT6 What are you GT6 guys using?" Editor's Note: Dad's rebuilding the suspension on his GT6 racer, last revised in 2002. He's got in hand a set of Carrera shocks (adjustable ride-height fronts and regular rears) which are worn out and has investigated the replacement of just the shock component. It appears that's fairly expensive. He's also got a set of Spax shocks, again ride-height adjustable in front. But the Carrera springs may not work with the Spax spring seat. Anyway, he's looking for opinions on what's out there now for GT6s. Scott B. From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jan 18 17:04:10 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:04:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stickers, grill badge, digest email In-Reply-To: <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> References: <1358361586.84929.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CFC23146A582E2-1260-3CF96@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8DE5CCD8-E981-4BB5-B3CF-664D76D8BE94@aol.com> Message-ID: <50F9E2FA.8000601@pobox.com> I bought a couple of grill badges during the original offering. Now that my TR250 is restored, I'm ready to mount one and can't decide how I should do it. Do you have any examples (photos) or suggestions for mounting these badges. I want to give FoT maximum exposure on this beautiful TR250. Larry On 1/16/2013 1:55 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > I do still have badges and flags. Hit me up off list and I will get them to > you. > > > Chris From rikrock at live.com Sat Jan 19 12:37:00 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:37:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: John, The only use of GT6 front axles I have seen on a TVR was done on the earlier (pre-1972) models, and it required use of a GT6 vertical link and custom-made hubs to accomodate the 4x4-1/2" pattern (same as big TR) on the wheels. Gt6 axles are larger diameter, even in the tapered section which fits in the upright, and they won't fit in the Spitfire/Herald uprights used on the (pre-72) Vixens and Granturas . They won't go in the TR6 upright used on the post-1972 TVR's either. Through the 60's and 70's used the Tr4-6 front axles and hubs. Most interesting is that those front axles fit in the Herald/Spitfire uprights! I suppose if a GT6 driver wanted to use a wheel with a 4-1/2" bolt circle instead of the stock 3-3/4" they might consider trying to adapt a TR4-6 front hub. Is that what you have seen done? Rich Rock > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:32:25 -0500 > From: jkhagen at charter.net > To: jason at multivintage.com > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different > [beefier] than even TR-3-4. Has anyone have to upgrade these? Make > any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and > use TR-4 hubs etc etc. Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve > concept. Have seen it done through my TVR experience. Comments? John > Hagen > > . From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 11:03:01 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:03:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT DECALS-AVAILABLE THE FOT "COAT OF ARMS" a matter of pride. Message-ID: <8CFC54F854AC998-1C6C-1D3A9@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I went to 'SIGNS BY TOMORROW' and got a quote for 100 3" x 3" FOT surface mount decals. I sense there is a pent up demand for decals......and would like to address this. TWO DECALS for $10.00 delivered......$3.00 for each additional decal. A bargain. Give me your address and quantity. I will send right away. It's up to you to get me the cash for the FOT account. I have bubble pak envelopes ready and fill and address...... while I am watching Speed Channel. This week would be a good week to do it......You can make checks to FOT. We have a non-organization account. BTW, while I was at SIGNS BY TOMORROW, I inquired about a sign showing the names of the folks who are "sponsoring" the 2013 Kastner Cup. For about $25 I can get a very nice weather proof sign with a wire stand to push into the ground. If you are a "commercial" entity and your business benefits from the FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH in some way, you may want to make an 'unsolicited contribution' and get your name on this sign......any funds not expended in 2013 will rollover to 2014. Right now I have about 21 private individuals who have made a contribution to the Kastner Cup Series. Joe Alexander F.O.T. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jan 20 12:51:18 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:51:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Need Help References: <84cb8b49-9a08-4a23-b25b-33435a817ac0@blur> Message-ID: Afternoon all, See below request for a copy of the current Victory Lane magazine. Anybody care to give up their copy when they're done with it? This one has a Road America ad on the inside of the front cover featuring a beloved 944. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: "rhgjr944 at new.rr.com" To: "bnbsnive at charter.net" , "john.jung at comcast.net" , "john.krebs at jsdinc.com" , "esandsnes at royaloakengineering.com" , "dan.nicotera at dresser.com" , "racefiesta at yahoo.com" , "gail.woelfle at tdstelecom.com" , "woody_53 at charter.net" , "racefiesta at yahoo.com" , "fanghornforest at gmail.com" , "RSandsnes at glhec.org" , "mbsam at tds.net" , "cooper at tbc.net" , "cricket3skd at comcast.net" , "2jw9boldt1 at comcast.net" <2jw9boldt1 at comcast.net>, "Barr, Scott" , "jsnively at charter.net" , "REWoelfle at gmail.com" , "saccameno at aol.com" , "kwpw at charter.net" , "garygret at sbcglobal.net" , "rakowski at facstaff.wisc.edu" , "jjbraatz at charter.net" , "racestaffer at yahoo.com" , "robin131 at centurytel.net" , "martinwjus at sbcglobal.net" , "A1Dave at centurytel.net" , "robin131 at centurytel.net" , "teutter at sbcglobal.net" , "dnicoter at voyager.net" , "ray.jackson.madison at gmail.com" , "pamartin at macneil.com" Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 18:41:46 GMT+00:00 Subject: Need Help Hi all- I found out from the guy who bought the ARMS Motorsports collection, Matt Jenson, that there is an ad for Road America on the inside front cover of the current Victory Lane magazine that has a picture of the ARMS flagship red 944 in it. Matt doesn't want to give up his copy, and I have checked the local bookstores with no luck. Does anyone get this mag, and would you be willing to give it up? Or know where I might get my hands on a copy? Thanks, Rick From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 13:14:46 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 lives again! Message-ID: <128790365.114779.1358712886512.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello Friends, I'm excited to share with you the news that my TR3 is finally together and running. As far as I know it hasn't run since 1975 and the restoration/ race car build has taken me a long 57 months. I have a few small details to attend to before I can drive it, but I made it through the initial start up and break-in period last Friday night with the much needed assistance of Greg Solow. It started instantly, ran great and sounds amazing. Thanks again Greg. I have been honored to have Greg standing by and sharing his expertise during the most important steps of the motor build and he worked some real magic with carb tuning during the start up. Oh, the things that I have learned. I would of course like to thank to all my Friends of Triumph for the encouragement, inspiration and sharing of much needed parts and information during this process. I would really be lost without you all and may have never made it to this point. I love my TR, Dave H. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 13:56:10 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:56:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent books. I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have thought there was the potential for contribution. Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Michael Haberthur To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a wonderful group supporting Triumphs. On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the original 'charter'. we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. thanks for being interested...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Haberthur To: Joe Alexander References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> I tend to think in terms of increasing interest in Triumph competition. At car shows I like to encourage folks to sit in our cars, touch them and even start them up. I'm interested in getting more folks interested regardless of whether they currently race or not. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:56 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > FOT: > > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Jan 20 14:24:00 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:24:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@w ebmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: I think that if he is allowed to join he will eventually get into a TR. Chris On Jan 20, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > I tend to think in terms of increasing interest in Triumph competition. At car > shows I like to encourage folks to sit in our cars, touch them and even start > them up. I'm interested in getting more folks interested regardless of > whether they currently race or not. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:56 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> FOT: >> >> I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got >> a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown >> and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent >> books. >> >> I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have >> thought there was the potential for contribution. >> >> Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander >> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> >> Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was > putting >> myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our > country. >> How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other >> than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks >> anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a >> wonderful group supporting Triumphs. >> >> On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. >> >> i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on > the >> original 'charter'. >> >> we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. >> >> thanks for being interested...... >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> OK I know I'm pushing i... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 14:25:11 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:25:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! References: <372C7FCD-ADCC-4EBF-BD20-EB0B8B8E4514@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: <627109AD52474D73ADC76737A9FA7A76@Bud> I vote to admit him to FOT..He's got the '\Spirit' Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! >I tend to think in terms of increasing interest in Triumph competition. At >car > shows I like to encourage folks to sit in our cars, touch them and even > start > them up. I'm interested in getting more folks interested regardless of > whether they currently race or not. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:56 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> FOT: >> >> I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got >> a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown >> and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent >> books. >> >> I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we >> have >> thought there was the potential for contribution. >> >> Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander >> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> >> Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was > putting >> myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our > country. >> How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later >> other >> than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks >> anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a >> wonderful group supporting Triumphs. >> >> On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. >> >> i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on > the >> original 'charter'. >> >> we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. >> >> thanks for being interested...... >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> OK I know I'm pushing i... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Jan 20 14:34:58 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:34:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! Message-ID: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> In a message dated 01/20/2013 2:56:17 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where > we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. Read BELOW and tell us > all what you think. Joe... Why don't I contact him off list and encourage him to reapply, claiming to be building a Triumph race car. That way you don't have to bend the rules, and God knows bending truth is not a sin around here. Bill (Damdinger) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 20 14:38:13 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:38:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> Message-ID: And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Damdinger) From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 14:43:36 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:43:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Actually, he was presented to the ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, and was on Board of Directors of STANDARD TRIUMPH.....how's that? He could be on Bill Dentinger's crew. Bill needs his shift knob polished. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: BillDentin Cc: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Damdinger) From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 20 14:46:59 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50FC65D3.3030200@bradakis.com> At the very least have him check out http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo as he may be interested in some of the Triumph related lists there. mjb. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 20 14:52:10 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:52:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I dunno, didn't they run the biz into the ground? :) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Actually, he was presented to the ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, and was on Board of Directors of STANDARD TRIUMPH.....how's that? > > He could be on Bill Dentinger's crew. Bill needs his shift knob polished. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: BillDentin > Cc: n197tr4 ; fot > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! > > And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Damdinger) From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 15:00:55 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:00:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <1f63b.783bc89f.3e2dbd02@aol.com> <8CFC56E561F8EA9-1C6C-1E319@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFC570C1719BE9-1C6C-1E45B@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> I knew that was coming back to me..... :-) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: Joe Alexander Cc: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! I dunno, didn't they run the biz into the ground? :) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: Actually, he was presented to the ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, and was on Board of Directors of STANDARD TRIUMPH.....how's that? He could be on Bill Dentinger's crew. Bill needs his shift knob polished. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: BillDentin Cc: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! And put him in touch with somebody local who could use a "crew" Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Damdinger) From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 20 15:38:35 2013 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:38:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1358721515.56746.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joe See what Henry has to say. I'll say the opposite. D > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You > can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. > He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four > of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past > where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. > Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club > stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years > defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no > time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on > lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a > donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" > wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the > past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay > the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, > journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 20 16:25:22 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:25:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 Message-ID: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Please welcome Mike Haberthur to this list. There has been more than sufficient support for his addition. Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Now that he has his feet back on the ground, his passion is for TRIUMPHS and the people that have raced them. He lives in Reno with his wife Dee. He hopes to join us at KCUP 2013 with his wife. He wants to spend some of his money, then, otherwise it will all go to his daughter's wedding, the end of September. Mark, please add Mike. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun Jan 20 17:14:42 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:14:42 +1000 Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires Message-ID: we have front hubs from the T2000 saloon range on our race GT6. They have the big 4 x 4.5" bolt pattern. we also have T2000 matching rear on a Mk2 GT6. That was a custom bearing job to adapt the drive flange and stub axle into Mk2 GT6 housing (along with discs). I have a sets of these 4 sale if anyone is interested, but its post from Australia Terry From kaskas at cox.net Sun Jan 20 17:53:36 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:53:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com>, , , <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>, , , <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com>, , , , <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>, , , <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops. aol.com>, , <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: He sent me an Email asking for help in getting to the racing part of the world. I suggested he ask on the FOT for help in that as I have not experienced that in 50 years. It sounded to me as if he wanted to "go racing". Never be beaten by equipment > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:56:10 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! > > FOT: > > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Jan 20 18:08:33 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:08:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 In-Reply-To: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1F7E26BF-3BAD-4E10-9B31-C902C5EA4AA9@aol.com> Amici Glad you have been accepted to the FOT. Hopefully I will be able to get to the KCUP 2013 and meet you. Thank you for serving. Chris On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Please welcome Mike Haberthur to this list. > > There has been more than sufficient support for his addition. > > Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Now that he has his feet back on > the ground, his passion is for TRIUMPHS and the people that have raced them. > He lives in Reno with his wife Dee. > > He hopes to join us at KCUP 2013 with his wife. He wants to spend some of his > money, then, otherwise it will all go to his daughter's wedding, the end of > September. > > Mark, please add Mike. Thanks! > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 18:14:26 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:14:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 H6 vs HS6 carbs Message-ID: <1358730866.57873.YahooMailNeo@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have been running HS6 carbs since I got the car back on the track. They are fully sorted with time on the Dyno. With that said (I had a few posts on FOT about this over the last 6 months) I thought I had a carb problem with some weird loading up in left hand turns coming off a full fast throttle. I did a leak down and found it was a blown head gasket between cylinders (no over heading or lost water). While thinking I had a carb problem before figuring out the head issue I found a nice set of H6 carbs that I have been working on. Most of the NW FOT racers are using H6 carbs. Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks!!! Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 18:15:59 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:15:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 References: <8CFC57C8D396AA8-1C6C-1E9E1@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <1F7E26BF-3BAD-4E10-9B31-C902C5EA4AA9@aol.com> Message-ID: Welcome Mike! Racer Bud.. Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Bock" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 > Amici > > Glad you have been accepted to the FOT. > > Hopefully I will be able to get to the KCUP 2013 and meet you. > > Thank you for serving. > > Chris > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Please welcome Mike Haberthur to this list. >> >> There has been more than sufficient support for his addition. >> >> Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Now that he has his feet back > on >> the ground, his passion is for TRIUMPHS and the people that have raced > them. >> He lives in Reno with his wife Dee. >> >> He hopes to join us at KCUP 2013 with his wife. He wants to spend some of > his >> money, then, otherwise it will all go to his daughter's wedding, the end >> of >> September. >> >> Mark, please add Mike. Thanks! >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 20 18:18:03 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:18:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front springs and shocks In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <7BD01AA6-74CA-4706-B478-2700ED0EF864@me.com> hi - my car came with to me with the Spax, but they were worn out. I replaced the front ones with the rebound-adjustable Carreras - alum body, got them from Ted. Seems to me he told me they are now marketed under a different name. They were as cheap as any other coil-over I could find, and I have been happy with them. I replaced the rear ones with a Spax set a few years ago, which are adjustable for stiffness. The car came with these crazy 700 lb front springs. On the advice of Steve Smith, I went to a softer rate, 550 lb by 8" Eibachs with a 1" front bar. Seems to work well for me. On Jan 18, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: Dad seems to be having some trouble posting to the list at the moment. Here's what he wanted to ask: "I am rebuilding the front shocks and springs on my #59 Red 68 GT6 What are you GT6 guys using?" Editor's Note: Dad's rebuilding the suspension on his GT6 racer, last revised in 2002. He's got in hand a set of Carrera shocks (adjustable ride-height fronts and regular rears) which are worn out and has investigated the replacement of just the shock component. It appears that's fairly expensive. He's also got a set of Spax shocks, again ride-height adjustable in front. But the Carrera springs may not work with the Spax spring seat. Anyway, he's looking for opinions on what's out there now for GT6s. Scott B. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 20 18:28:09 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires In-Reply-To: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <7bf77dbb.374424.13c4e133083.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <1FC9937A-D158-4505-A7DB-D3A9EADCE66A@me.com> I'm running the chromoly spindles sourced from Joe Siam, along with his alloy hubs. switched to the hubs when a bearing race started spinning in one of the stock ones. you can use Toyo R888, 205/60-13 tires if you want radials. They almost last too long - there's still plenty of tread left after several race weekends, but after a certain number of heat cycles (I need to count this) they lose some grip. Still drivable, but definitely not as good. A lot of the spridget people seem to run them too, though 185s, and I have seen a Yenko Corvair running 13" wheels with the same tire. There's not much else out there that fits - some very expensive Avons are all that I have found. On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:32 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even TR-3-4. Has anyone have to upgrade these? Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. Have seen it done through my TVR experience. Comments? John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Sun Jan 20 18:33:25 2013 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:33:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT6 front springs and shocks In-Reply-To: <7BD01AA6-74CA-4706-B478-2700ED0EF864@me.com> References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81B258@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <7BD01AA6-74CA-4706-B478-2700ED0EF864@me.com> Message-ID: <38766975-1956-480E-91D8-C4D7E7CB0DA1@charter.net> Ted is looking for a replacement for my old Carreras. One of the front shocks has a little dead spot of about .5"in both directions. I don't know much about shocks but the Carreras have screw in the bottom of the body that looks like a fill hole to me. I never saw any leakage on them and they worked very well so I am wondering if it is possible to change fluid and use them. The fluid is very dark or maybe burned. Any thoughts on that? On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:18 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > hi - my car came with to me with the Spax, but they were worn out. I replaced the front ones with the rebound-adjustable Carreras - alum body, got them from Ted. Seems to me he told me they are now marketed under a different name. They were as cheap as any other coil-over I could find, and I have been happy with them. I replaced the rear ones with a Spax set a few years ago, which are adjustable for stiffness. > The car came with these crazy 700 lb front springs. On the advice of Steve Smith, I went to a softer rate, 550 lb by 8" Eibachs with a 1" front bar. Seems to work well for me. > > On Jan 18, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > > Dad seems to be having some trouble posting to the list at the moment. Here's > what he wanted to ask: > > "I am rebuilding the front shocks and springs on my #59 Red 68 GT6 What are > you GT6 guys using?" > > Editor's Note: Dad's rebuilding the suspension on his GT6 racer, last revised > in 2002. He's got in hand a set of Carrera shocks (adjustable ride-height > fronts and regular rears) which are worn out and has investigated the > replacement of just the shock component. It appears that's fairly expensive. > He's also got a set of Spax shocks, again ride-height adjustable in front. > But the Carrera springs may not work with the Spax spring seat. > > Anyway, he's looking for opinions on what's out there now for GT6s. > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 19:40:44 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:40:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 H6 vs HS6 carbs In-Reply-To: <1358730866.57873.YahooMailNeo@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1358730866.57873.YahooMailNeo@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2448C69A-72D0-47D7-B9B7-5E8F84FFCDC9@yahoo.com> I have had no problems with my HS6s in the turns once I switched to the MG style float bowls. Having floats oriented left to right is not a good design for road racing. Once I changed these out, I no longer have the sputtering and hesitation coming out of any turn. Having only run HS6s, I can't compare, but I do like the HS6s (until I can afford some Mikunis). Ty Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > I have been running HS6 carbs since I got the car back on the track. They are > fully sorted with time on the Dyno. With that said (I had a few posts on FOT > about this over the last 6 months) I thought I had a carb problem with some > weird loading up in left hand turns coming off a full fast throttle. I did a > leak down and found it was a blown head gasket between cylinders (no over > heading or lost water). While thinking I had a carb problem before figuring > out the head issue I found a nice set of H6 carbs that I have been working > on. Most of the NW FOT racers are using H6 carbs. > > Any thoughts would be > welcome. > > Thanks!!! > > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Sun Jan 20 20:08:30 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:08:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops. aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I say ya. Being one of the exceptions, I know I have learned from and enjoy this a lot. I hate to deny another the experience. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > He sent me an Email asking for help in getting to the racing part of the > world. I suggested he ask on the FOT for help in that as I have not > experienced that in 50 years. > It sounded to me as if he wanted to "go racing". > Never be beaten by equipment >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:56:10 -0500 >> Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! >> >> FOT: >> >> I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I > got >> a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total > teardown >> and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent >> books. >> >> I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have >> thought there was the potential for contribution. >> >> Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander >> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> >> Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was > putting >> myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our > country. >> How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other >> than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks >> anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a >> wonderful group supporting Triumphs. >> >> On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. >> >> i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on > the >> original 'charter'. >> >> we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. >> >> thanks for being interested...... >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Haberthur >> To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm >> Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer >> >> OK I know I'm pushing i... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From billb at bnj.com Sun Jan 20 20:34:38 2013 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:34:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] A non-candidate for non-membership what to do? help! In-Reply-To: <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> References: <188a5.37faa845.3e283b05@cs.com> <8CFC263E776554F-1260-41500@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33A6741096B-C48-4912C@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC33EB1A9B23C-C48-4937B@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC551243DE8AA-1C6C-1D477@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC5638E3BFF63-1C6C-1DDC3@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> <8CFC567B59699BA-1C6C-1DFC0@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <70F20F12-CD54-4CC8-95AD-ABAC28A5935C@bnj.com> Sure. He'll get there Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > I just turned this guy down, a few minutes ago. You can see it below. I got > a gracious response and a desire to make a donation. He did a total teardown > and rebuild of a TR4 in recent history and he has all four of Kas' recent > books. > > I have made exceptions to the 'competition rule' in the past where we have > thought there was the potential for contribution. > > Read BELOW and tell us all what you think. Thanks, Joe A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > > Raced a Tariq years ago at some local races in CA. Club stuff. I was putting > myself through college and spending the next 26 years defending our country. > How is that for a naked plug!! LOL!! No money early and no time later other > than as a spectator. I guess I'm trying to catch up on lost time. Thanks > anyway. Can I support the organization with a donation. I think it is a > wonderful group supporting Triumphs. > > On Jan 20, 2013 12:26 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > have you had any connections with TRIUMPH COMPETITION in the past. > > i have had enormous pressure from a group of people to stay the course on the > original 'charter'. > > we have had exceptions with professional mechanics, journalists, etc. > > thanks for being interested...... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Haberthur > To: Joe Alexander Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: Message from The Vintage Racer > > OK I know I'm pushing i... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From triosan at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 21:37:53 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:37:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution Message-ID: spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking it all apart again and reassembling? From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 05:21:18 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:21:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <1358770878.24398.YahooMailNeo@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://www.resonatesolutions.ca/components/com_content/fitns.html Jay Creel From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 21 07:44:16 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:44:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 Message-ID: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> In a message dated 01/20/2013 5:25:33 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Welcome shipmate. I'm a long ago plank owner of the USS Springfield, CLG7 (one of the country's first guided missile cruises, but long since made into razor blades). Bill Dentinger From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 21 08:25:20 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:25:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 References: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> Message-ID: Man Bill, that's a lot of blades! What if you're an electric razor kind of guy? (Which I'm not) Thanks for your service. I was draft bait in late '69 and talked to a Navy rectuiter, but got a high number in the draft lottery later that year. Probably would have done me good to have joined, but.....................who knows. Stay warm, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 > In a message dated 01/20/2013 5:25:33 PM Central Standard Time, > n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > > >> Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. > > Welcome shipmate. I'm a long ago plank owner of the USS Springfield, CLG7 > (one of the country's first guided missile cruises, but long since made > into > razor blades). > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Jan 21 08:39:18 2013 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:39:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50FD6126.1030401@charter.net> Chuck I have had the same problem many times even when using a dummy shaft. I did have some success on the last one by gently moving it into place with a screw driver. Did you use lots of sticky grease on the case side to keep it in place? Glenn On 1/20/2013 11:37 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I > tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging > down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that > little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer > has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot > at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking > it all apart again and reassembling? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jan 21 08:46:52 2013 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:46:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution Message-ID: <86563.6cf45bda.3e2ebcec@aol.com> This'll sound silly but the trick is to set the case in the sun for a while and let the alloy expand for that extra bit of clearance. The 500 watt halogen shop light works very well too! In a message dated 1/21/2013 7:40:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, gaf3 at charter.net writes: Chuck I have had the same problem many times even when using a dummy shaft. I did have some success on the last one by gently moving it into place with a screw driver. Did you use lots of sticky grease on the case side to keep it in place? Glenn On 1/20/2013 11:37 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I > tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging > down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that > little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer > has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot > at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking > it all apart again and reassembling? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From jeff_durant at comcast.net Mon Jan 21 09:08:20 2013 From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:08:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361331279-1358784505-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427932625-@b18.c18.bise6.blackberry> Chuck, This is a fairly common problem when assembling the TR trans. Try flipping the transmission upside down. This will allow the laygear to rest on the mainshaft gears and hopefully take and load off of the thrust washers. Then carefully move the thrust washer into position. I use a small pick through one of the 2x 5/16" layshaft end plate mounting bolts to rotate and position the thrust washer. This has worked for me many times. Give me a call if you get stuck. Jeff D. TR6 #12 TR250 TR4A Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:37:53 To: Friends; Triumph<6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking it all apart again and reassembling? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff_durant at comcast.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jan 21 10:10:37 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires floow up on R888's In-Reply-To: <1FC9937A-D158-4505-A7DB-D3A9EADCE66A@me.com> Message-ID: <40225089.120920.1358788237361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Just FYI, The Toyo RA-1's are viewed as a better tire in the SCCA. In 2011 SCCA/SM went to the R888's as a spec tire but after a ton of negative feedback from the drivers the SCCA went back to the RA-1 for 2012. The RA-1 is an R compound and do in fact get faster as they wear. Spec Miata drivers typically have them shaved way down before they run em. I've used them and am a big fan of the RA-1 and I have no direct experience with the R888 other than other drivers feedback. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: jkhagen at charter.net Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:28:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires I'm running the chromoly spindles sourced from Joe Siam, along with his alloy hubs. B switched to the hubs when a bearing race started spinning in one of the stock ones. you can use Toyo R888, 205/60-13 tires if you want radials. B They almost last too long - there's still plenty of tread left after several race weekends, but after a certain number B of heat cycles (I need to count this) they lose some grip. B Still drivable, but definitely not as good. A lot of the spridget people seem to run them too, though 185s, and I have seen a Yenko Corvair running 13" wheels with the same tire. There's not much else out there that fits - some very expensive Avons are all that I have found. On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:32 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even B TR-3-4. B Has anyone have to upgrade these? B Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. B Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. B Have seen it done through my TVR experience. B Comments? B John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. B I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 21 11:57:22 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:57:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] "GATHERING ON THE GREEN" @ THE KASTNER CUP ROAD AMERICA Message-ID: <8CFC62046B3CD11-204C-1E8A5@webmail-d127.sysops.aol.com> FOT: We will be looking for a fine example of each TRIUMPH MODEL for showing at the GATHERING ON THE GREEN. The GATHERING ON THE GREEN is an invitational car show on late Saturday afternoon, prior to, and during the OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT. This occurs on the expansive lawn of the OSTHOF, our host hotel. We will be looking for both RACE CARS and STREET CARS for consideration. Be thinking about this as this is a very special event. Race cars will be escorted to and from the OSTHOF from the track. I did this a couple of years ago with the AMBRO. It was a hoot. Kas and Peg will be involved, of course. I believe that the cars that are selected, their owners will be eligible for two weekend passes from VSCDA. The FOT will be looking very good for this ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL weekend. More details will follow, but I wanted to give a 'heads up' now. PLAN! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From rikrock at live.com Mon Jan 21 13:06:42 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? Message-ID: I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? Thanks, Rich Rock From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jan 21 13:12:32 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:12:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130121201232.K9B70.24831.root@cdptpa-web38-z02.mail.rr.com> BPW has tri-metal bearings and aluminum bearings. Bob ---- Rich Rock wrote: > I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jan 21 13:16:14 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1559633391.129150.1358799374265.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> BFE has the Clevite 77 rod bearings. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Rock" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:06:42 PM Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? Thanks, Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 21 14:37:08 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:37:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: <1559633391.129150.1358799374265.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1559633391.129150.1358799374265.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <767383A2-7539-4857-900F-1D00C14D7F4E@gdhs.com> We have had no problems with mains from Moss. Use coated rod bearings for our Ford modular rods from Manley. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2013, at 3:16 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > BFE has the Clevite 77 rod bearings. > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rich Rock" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:06:42 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? > > I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mhado at att.net Mon Jan 21 15:10:04 2013 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:10:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution In-Reply-To: <1361331279-1358784505-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427932625-@b18.c18.bise6.blackberry> References: <1361331279-1358784505-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427932625-@b18.c18.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <006301cdf824$10dca860$3295f920$@att.net> Chuck, It looks like you have already had some good suggestions to get the washer back in position. To avoid the problem in the first place, I always first turn the EMPTY casing on end, bell housing down, then put the countershaft temporarily in place. It only has to come up through the hole on the bell housing end. I then put some Loctite on the steel side of the thrust washer and place it over the countershaft and down against the casing. A large socket can serve as a weight to hold the washer in place overnight until it is stuck to the casing. Later you can remove the countershaft and the washer will remain firmly in place (and perfectly centered) while you assemble the rest of the gearbox. This is only for the large thrust washer, of course, since the small one has to go in after the cluster is put in place. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jeff_durant at comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:08 AM To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; Friends; Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution Chuck, This is a fairly common problem when assembling the TR trans. Try flipping the transmission upside down. This will allow the laygear to rest on the mainshaft gears and hopefully take and load off of the thrust washers. Then carefully move the thrust washer into position. I use a small pick through one of the 2x 5/16" layshaft end plate mounting bolts to rotate and position the thrust washer. This has worked for me many times. Give me a call if you get stuck. Jeff D. TR6 #12 TR250 TR4A Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:37:53 To: Friends; Triumph<6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Tranny rebuilt problem looking for a solution spent the afternoon reassembly the tranny for my TR6. All went OK till I tried to put the countershaft back in. The front thrust washer is hanging down about a 32 of an inch and nothing I have tried can move it up that little amount so the counter shaft can come through. I presume the washer has rotated a little such that the dimple is now not aligned with theslot at the top. anybody have any experience with solving this short of taking it all apart again and reassembling? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeff_durant at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mhado at att.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jan 21 16:54:54 2013 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:54:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 In-Reply-To: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> References: <22d9e.67e0b4c4.3e2eae40@aol.com> Message-ID: <000801cdf832$b7f62eb0$27e28c10$@com> Boy Bill, for your sake I sure hope it was razor blades and not Pontiac Aztecs!! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:44 AM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] INDUCTION INTO FOT MICHAEL HABERTHUR TR4 In a message dated 01/20/2013 5:25:33 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Mike's career was in the Navy for 26 years. Welcome shipmate. I'm a long ago plank owner of the USS Springfield, CLG7 (one of the country's first guided missile cruises, but long since made into razor blades). Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 21 20:32:07 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:32:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Engine Bearings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do the tri-metal ones from BPNW and then have them ceramic coated. Tony Drews At 02:06 PM 1/21/2013, Rich Rock wrote: >I need to buy a couple sets, who is selling the best ones these days? > >Thanks, > >Rich Rock >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 22 00:49:23 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:49:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Message delayed (mark@bradakis.com) Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:40 PM Subject: Message delayed (mark at bradakis.com) > Your message has been delayed and is still awaiting delivery > to the following recipient(s): > > mark at bradakis.com > (Was addressed to mark at bradakis.com) > Message delayed > 450 4.7.1 : Helo command rejected: Host not found > > > No recipients were successfully delivered to. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of ATT00046.dat] Received: from surfnetusa.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.0) with ESMTP id for (AUTH = gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:31 -0800 X-Modus-BlackList: 127.0.0.1=OK;gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 127.0.0.1=YES X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 2, 6 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com" To: mark at bradakis.com Subject: RE: Re: FoT request from Dave H. Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, Thanks for the response. every Email I have sent to you or FOT for about the last 3 months has been rejected as " server not found, " if I remember correctly. I had given up on getting any response. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : Mark J Bradakis[mailto:mark at bradakis.com] Sent : 1/20/2013 3:19:29 PM To : n197tr4 at cs.com Cc : dlhogye at comcast.net; gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Subject : RE: Re: FoT request from Dave H. If Greg is getting bounces back, they should say exactly what the problem is. But like I said, I have no record of his email address sending messages TO Team.Net. mjb. From igofaster at att.net Tue Jan 22 07:53:28 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 06:53:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Circuit of the Americas --COTA-- Message-ID: <1358866408.31163.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> looks like I'm one of the lucky 500 something plus that got registered for the SCCA event at the beautiful Circuit of the Americas F1 track in Austin Texas the second weekend in March...not sure how comfortable my little Triumph butt is going to feel with 85 cars in Group 7 ...wow.... the DLB site has the specifics and entrants list... this should be literally epic.... one of my best friends works NASCAR and has stated it's the nicest facility in the country.....Bobby Whitehead From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 22 10:23:41 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:23:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Sportscar 71.2 February 2013... Message-ID: <4dbd.1a2bd1cb.3e30251c@aol.com> Amici... SCCA's current issue of SPORTSCAR has items of potential interest. The obits for John Fitch, Lanky Foushee, and Bob Youngdahl on pages 64 and 65. Of course Fitch and Foushee are icons and need no highlight here, but many of us ought to have also known SCCA and vintage racer Bob Youngdahl. Bob usually raced a fast Elva Courier, but had a barn full of cars. While a Minnesota native, he also raced on the national scene, especially in Florida, where he had a winter home. His death was particularly sad because it was neither natural nor racing. He was killed unloading his race trailer (hit in the head by the ramp door). I have long been a believer that dealing with towing and trailers is every bit as dangerous as the racing (loading, unloading, changing tires roadside, etc.) we do. There is often a tendency for us to take short cuts or skip safe practice when dealing with tasks that we do over and over again. This especially true when we are alone. Be careful! Finally, glance at page 86 (last page) and the SCCA 'ROOTS' section. There is a black and white picture from the 1983 issue of SPORTSCAR showing what appears to be a very nice TR4A race car covered with snow. There's a racer standing along side in his driver's suit and balaclava...staring up at the sky. No identification info in the caption. Ironically the SCCA decal is displayed upside down on the car (probably something done on purpose in case of a roll over), but that seems to be what the SCCA was preoccupied with. At the time their caption was "It's not nice to fool with your SCCA sticker..." Anyone have any idea who that might be back in 1983? Seems like we ought to know him. The racer's name is listed on the door, but I can't make it out. Bill Dentinger From alfetta95 at optonline.net Tue Jan 22 10:59:03 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:59:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Message-ID: <6e14f1b9.f2afd.13c6369cc3e.Webtop.19@optonline.net> Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jan 22 11:31:07 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (dlhogye at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Message-ID: <236866273.188002.1358879467670.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I bought mine from them and so far it's not leaking. Quick, where is some wood? Dave H. TS46235L Engine TS31005E Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App -----Original Message----- From: Todd Redmond To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Sent: 2013-01-22 17:59:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From robonglen at yahoo.com Tue Jan 22 11:58:40 2013 From: robonglen at yahoo.com (robert greer) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:58:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire MK. 2 parts Message-ID: <1358881120.48718.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'm in the process of doing a frame-off of a 67' Spit Mk.2. Front suspension is nearly complete, but I need new brake calipers. Source? Also, I would like to add negative camber to the rear suspension. Shorter spring? Next come the rear axles; can't disassemble existing after sitting 20 years. Exchange service? This will be a street car as I have already raced 20 years $$$! Other than that, the car is 100% there with minimal rust inside boot valance. Bob Greer @ robonglen @ yahoo.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Jan 22 12:32:03 2013 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sportscar 71.2 February 2013... In-Reply-To: <4dbd.1a2bd1cb.3e30251c@aol.com> References: <4dbd.1a2bd1cb.3e30251c@aol.com> Message-ID: It's Fletcher Williams and the car is a TR250. Sam On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:27 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > SCCA's current issue of SPORTSCAR has items of potential interest. > > The obits for John Fitch, Lanky Foushee, and Bob Youngdahl on pages 64 and > 65. Of course Fitch and Foushee are icons and need no highlight here, but > many of us ought to have also known SCCA and vintage racer Bob Youngdahl. > Bob usually raced a fast Elva Courier, but had a barn full of cars. While a > Minnesota native, he also raced on the national scene, especially in Florida, > where he had a winter home. His death was particularly sad because it was > neither natural nor racing. He was killed unloading his race trailer (hit > in the head by the ramp door). I have long been a believer that dealing with > towing and trailers is every bit as dangerous as the racing (loading, > unloading, changing tires roadside, etc.) we do. There is often a tendency for > us to take short cuts or skip safe practice when dealing with tasks that we > do over and over again. This especially true when we are alone. Be > careful! > > Finally, glance at page 86 (last page) and the SCCA 'ROOTS' section. There > is a black and white picture from the 1983 issue of SPORTSCAR showing what > appears to be a very nice TR4A race car covered with snow. There's a racer > standing along side in his driver's suit and balaclava...staring up at the > sky. No identification info in the caption. Ironically the SCCA decal is > displayed upside down on the car (probably something done on purpose in case > of a roll over), but that seems to be what the SCCA was preoccupied with. At > the time their caption was "It's not nice to fool with your SCCA > sticker..." Anyone have any idea who that might be back in 1983? Seems like we > ought to know him. The racer's name is listed on the door, but I can't make it > out. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 22 13:13:13 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion In-Reply-To: <236866273.188002.1358879467670.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <986889586.168139.1358885593845.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Dave, yeah you should find some wood quick, teak preferrably. Knock four times, turn three times and spit. Then say there's no such thing as a leak free triumph. The last time I said " no leaks " was in Hastings, NE. It was leak free until ten minutes later when I rolled out to the grid and blew my oil cooler and didn't know it. I left a BIG trail for a 1/4 mile through the paddock from the front door of my RV right up to my grid position. Glad I have an accusump. The corner workers that cleaned the mess up still give me the birdB when I pass by or I hear, "hey how's the Exxon Valdeze running these days". jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: dlhogye at comcast.net To: FOT at autox.team.net, "Todd" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:31:07 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion I bought mine from them and so far it's not leaking. B Quick, where is some wood? Dave H. TS46235L Engine TS31005E Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App -----Original Message----- From: Todd Redmond To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Sent: 2013-01-22 17:59:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. B Has anyone used the BPNW part? B Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A B TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue Jan 22 15:11:40 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:11:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion In-Reply-To: <6e14f1b9.f2afd.13c6369cc3e.Webtop.19@optonline.net> Message-ID: As far as I know the rear oil seal conversion provided by BPNW consists of the same parts as provided by the others. These work well but you must have the scroll on the crankshaft ground down to the provided specification and polished for a lip type seal. I have been using the MARX seal setup on the last few engines I have built with great success! With this setup the crankshaft scroll remains and all that is needed is a quick polishing of the rear most surface where the MARX lip seal rides. ARE sells the kit and I believe TRF now handles this kit as well. The existing rear seal (aluminum halves) need to be machined to accept the MARX seal which is not a hard job to do and I built a jig for my mill which does a good job. ARE is also selling new build aluminum seal parts that are already machined. If you have not yet removed the scroll surface from the crankshaft I highly recommend this seal system as it provides the best of both worlds!!! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Todd Redmond Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:59 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 22 15:30:58 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:30:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC707478754B2-11CC-2C45C@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Steve, Christian and I are now providing the SCROLL to Chris' specifications in new billet material. While re-manufacturing the old OEM SEALS works well, they consume a lot of time and we are trying phase them out. It got the project started, tho. Now that the volume is up, we are FINALLY arriving in the black after a couple of years of break even. Thanks to Kas, as well, for supporting this project, in his latest book, "KAS KASTNER'S TRIUMPHS. In fact he has an entire chapter on 'avoiding leaks in the wet sleeve engines'. Worth the price of the book, by itself. Thanks for the order, Todd. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott To: 'Todd Redmond' ; FOT Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion As far as I know the rear oil seal conversion provided by BPNW consists of the same parts as provided by the others. These work well but you must have the scroll on the crankshaft ground down to the provided specification and polished for a lip type seal. I have been using the MARX seal setup on the last few engines I have built with great success! With this setup the crankshaft scroll remains and all that is needed is a quick polishing of the rear most surface where the MARX lip seal rides. ARE sells the kit and I believe TRF now handles this kit as well. The existing rear seal (aluminum halves) need to be machined to accept the MARX seal which is not a hard job to do and I built a jig for my mill which does a good job. ARE is also selling new build aluminum seal parts that are already machined. If you have not yet removed the scroll surface from the crankshaft I highly recommend this seal system as it provides the best of both worlds!!! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Todd Redmond Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:59 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Rear Oil seal conversion Amici, I see BPNW has a rear seal conversion at almost half the price of other suppliers, ie Moss etc. Has anyone used the BPNW part? Any issues or concerns? Thanks in advance Todd Redmond TR 3A TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Jan 22 16:02:11 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:02:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire MK. 2 parts In-Reply-To: <1358881120.48718.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1358881120.48718.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFC70BA4C83690-1234-2E2A5@webmail-m049.sysops.aol.com> Rob, Calipers are available from most Triumph Parts Suppliers, TRF is offering a rebuilding service for same. As for the rear spring you could have it de-arched a bit, there are spacers that go between the spring and diff ( keep the spring alone ) or could buy a modified spring from the same parts suppliers. As for the rear axles you could ask around if some one has the correct Factory Tool for separating the hub from the axle ( NOTE I would not recommend taking them to a machine shop or bearing shop to perform this task - in 20+ years no one I know has had success, Hubs were ruined ). This Hub Puller Tool is available for sale from a few of the Triumph Parts Suppliers. I have seen some ads from LBC repair shops offering their Rebuilding Service to recondition our Spits axles. I must ask is your car a real Mk2 or a '67 (Mk3) one easy way to tell : Front Bumper below the Grills or above the Front Marker Lights ? Recerch of the Vin Number is the correct way to tell for sure. I ask as there is a difference between the early Mk1 & Mk2 Calipers and the Mk3 & later Calipers. Best O Luck, Bob T '63 Spit Mk1 '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: robert greer To: fot Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 2:04 pm Subject: [Fot] Spitfire MK. 2 parts I'm in the process of doing a frame-off of a 67' Spit Mk.2. Front suspension s nearly complete, but I need new brake calipers. Source? Also, I would like o add negative camber to the rear suspension. Shorter spring? Next come the ear axles; can't disassemble existing after sitting 20 years. Exchange ervice? This will be a street car as I have already raced 20 years $$$! ther than that, the car is 100% there with minimal rust inside boot valance. ob Greer @ robonglen @ yahoo.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Jan 22 17:38:35 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 Greetings FoT, I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to head clearance assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jan 22 18:46:16 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:46:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Message delayed (mark@bradakis.com) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50FF40E8.9090805@bradakis.com> Greg Solow wrote: >> Your message has been delayed and is still awaiting delivery >> to the following recipient(s): >> >> mark at bradakis.com >> (Was addressed to mark at bradakis.com) >> Message delayed >> 450 4.7.1 : Helo command rejected: Host not found >> Looks like someone at surfnet fixed it, your mail is no longer coming from a computer with bogus address information. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jan 22 19:32:53 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:32:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Impression in the carbon is just right. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > > With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow > 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had > impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Jim Gray" > To: "'FoT Triumph'" > Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 > > Greetings FoT, > > I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to > head clearance > > assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. > > I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 > > Thanks as always, > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 21 10:29:44 2013 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:29:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires floow up on R888's In-Reply-To: <40225089.120920.1358788237361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1FC9937A-D158-4505-A7DB-D3A9EADCE66A@me.com> <40225089.120920.1358788237361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E81CA3A@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Hmmm. I have used the RA-1s on the Spitfire in the past, but understood that they were no longer available and that the R888s were the replacement. Maybe the vendor I talked to only had the R888s to sell? I found both the RA-1s and the R888s to be better than the Yokohama A048s, though. And I like all of those better than the Hoosiers. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:11 AM To: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires floow up on R888's Just FYI, The Toyo RA-1's are viewed as a better tire in the SCCA. In 2011 SCCA/SM went to the R888's as a spec tire but after a ton of negative feedback from the drivers the SCCA went back to the RA-1 for 2012. The RA-1 is an R compound and do in fact get faster as they wear. Spec Miata drivers typically have them shaved way down before they run em. I've used them and am a big fan of the RA-1 and I have no direct experience with the R888 other than other drivers feedback. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: jkhagen at charter.net Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:28:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 six inch wheels and dot racing tires I'm running the chromoly spindles sourced from Joe Siam, along with his alloy hubs. B switched to the hubs when a bearing race started spinning in one of the stock ones. you can use Toyo R888, 205/60-13 tires if you want radials. B They almost last too long - there's still plenty of tread left after several race weekends, but after a certain number B of heat cycles (I need to count this) they lose some grip. B Still drivable, but definitely not as good. A lot of the spridget people seem to run them too, though 185s, and I have seen a Yenko Corvair running 13" wheels with the same tire. There's not much else out there that fits - some very expensive Avons are all that I have found. On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:32 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: GT-6 People--The front spindle shafts on the GT-6 are different [beefier] than even B TR-3-4. B Has anyone have to upgrade these? B Make any sense to machine outer part of the shaft to accept TR-4 bearing and use TR-4 hubs etc etc. B Would be similar to the re-inforcing sleeve concept. B Have seen it done through my TVR experience. B Comments? B John Hagen On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Hoosier tires... They have 3 or 4 regional distributors for street > T.D.S and panasport wheels have 2 different backspacing options (talked w someone there last year). Both have easy info websites. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffwhall at aol.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:59:45 To: ; ; > Subject: [Fot] six inch wheels and dot racing tires > > Hay guys, > > Does anyone have resources for a GT6 racing tires and six inch rims? > > Jeff Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: jerrybarr ; fot at autox.team.net friends > > Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2013 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > Yes, they are a good idea. B I am all for them. > > Scott B. > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > > > -----Original message----- > From: Jerry Barr > To: "fot at autox.team.net friends" > Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 00:31:43 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Fot] Front Shocks > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffwhall at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Jan 23 01:37:18 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:37:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Message-ID: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jan 23 05:11:16 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:11:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Email communication test In-Reply-To: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> References: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <8CFC779E0EB6E91-D20-2E40F@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com> yup Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Solow To: Friends of Triumph ; Mark J Bradakis Cc: davehogye ; Joe Alexander Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 2:37 am Subject: Email communication test This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 06:17:00 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:17:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Email communication test In-Reply-To: <8CFC779E0EB6E91-D20-2E40F@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com> References: <9A2F975A52EE47E8A77AF0039638C1F6@your89d26e0447> <8CFC779E0EB6E91-D20-2E40F@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Nice to hear from you, Greg ! On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > yup > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Friends of Triumph ; Mark J Bradakis > > Cc: davehogye ; Joe Alexander > Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 2:37 am > Subject: Email communication test > > > This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was > sent at > 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot > and to Mark. I hope it gets through! > Greg Solow > The Engine Room > Morgan & Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 > 831 429-1800 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From donmarshall at nefcom.net Wed Jan 23 06:25:24 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:25:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Message-ID: Who else is coming to the VDCA event at Road Atlanta next month? Don From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Jan 23 05:52:07 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:52:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi all We run 8 thou with a steel crank , carillo rods. Flat top Venoila pistons and a very modified head on my TR4. As a consequence the engine 'drinks' a little and now and again when fresh and a tiny water seepage can be seen on the middle head studs where there is a bit more pressure, but its a small price to pay. This beds in after a while via gunge movement but teaches you to monitor the levels in the header tanks in the meantime. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jan 2013, at 02:32, Kas Kastner wrote: > Impression in the carbon is just right. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: jaboruch at netzero.net >> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 >> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height >> >> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus > allow >> 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had >> impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Jim Gray" >> To: "'FoT Triumph'" >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height >> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 >> >> Greetings FoT, >> >> I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston > to >> head clearance >> >> assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. >> >> I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 >> >> Thanks as always, >> >> jim g >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Woman is 53 But Looks 25 >> Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tarch at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 23 06:42:30 2013 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:42:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06dd01cdf96f$7dd74b40$7985e1c0$@net> Trusty 'ole TR-4 #196 has signed up for VDCA Road Atlanta. We expect to be blazingly fast! Richard Taylor -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:25 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Who else is coming to the VDCA event at Road Atlanta next month? Don _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 23 07:58:24 2013 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:58:24 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: <30791491.1358953104995.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> If any of you are fairly new at this, be warned... With my modified stock crank, Carillo rods, forged Wiseco pistons, and steel-shim head gasket, my piston "kissed" the head at high RPM and I spun a bearing. This happened at the end of a loooooong straight at Auto Club Speedway. There went $1,000 and a bunch of hours. I was trying to achieve close to zero deck height. On the bench, the pistons came up to .003 from the top of the sleeve (this is considered the deck, not the top of the block) Now I'm running one of Mordy's .032 head gaskets for a little more Piston to Head clearance. In one of the older posts, Greg Solow recommends at least .026 total P to H clearance because the stock crank will stretch a little at high rpm and the piston will reach up higher than it does on the engine stand in the garage. ~STEVE -----Original Message----- >From: TR4 Tony >Sent: Jan 23, 2013 4:52 AM >To: Kas Kastner >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > >Hi all > >We run 8 thou with a steel crank , carillo rods. Flat top Venoila pistons and >a very modified head on my TR4. > >As a consequence the engine 'drinks' a little and now and again when fresh and >a tiny water seepage can be seen on the middle head studs where there is a bit >more pressure, but its a small price to pay. This beds in after a while via >gunge movement but teaches you to monitor the levels in the header tanks in >the meantime. > >Regards > >Tony > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 23 Jan 2013, at 02:32, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Impression in the carbon is just right. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >>> From: jaboruch at netzero.net >>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 >>> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> CC: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> >>> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus >> allow >>> 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had >>> impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>> From: "Jim Gray" >>> To: "'FoT Triumph'" >>> Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 >>> >>> Greetings FoT, >>> >>> I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston >> to >>> head clearance >>> >>> assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. >>> >>> I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 >>> >>> Thanks as always, >>> >>> jim g >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Woman is 53 But Looks 25 >>> Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jan 23 08:24:03 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:24:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Message-ID: Yeah, great to have you back. I have often thought you deserve a nice shiny red apple on your engine desk, after some of your thoughtful well explained posts. Glad u r here again Greg! A real FoT asset. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Greg Solow Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph To: Mark J Bradakis ReplyTo: Greg Solow Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Sent: Jan 23, 2013 2:37 AM This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 23 08:38:01 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:38:01 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <30791491.1358953104995.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30791491.1358953104995.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000901cdf97f$a2174810$e645d830$@com> Man, you are very brave people in USA. I run a total of 0.0511" just in case of a bearing problem. Surviving of the engine in case of something bad is more important to me than 2 HP more caused by more squish. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von steve Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2013 15:58 An: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height If any of you are fairly new at this, be warned... With my modified stock crank, Carillo rods, forged Wiseco pistons, and steel-shim head gasket, my piston "kissed" the head at high RPM and I spun a bearing. This happened at the end of a loooooong straight at Auto Club Speedway. There went $1,000 and a bunch of hours. I was trying to achieve close to zero deck height. On the bench, the pistons came up to .003 from the top of the sleeve (this is considered the deck, not the top of the block) Now I'm running one of Mordy's .032 head gaskets for a little more Piston to Head clearance. In one of the older posts, Greg Solow recommends at least .026 total P to H clearance because the stock crank will stretch a little at high rpm and the piston will reach up higher than it does on the engine stand in the garage. ~STEVE -----Original Message----- >From: TR4 Tony >Sent: Jan 23, 2013 4:52 AM >To: Kas Kastner >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > >Hi all > >We run 8 thou with a steel crank , carillo rods. Flat top Venoila >pistons and a very modified head on my TR4. > >As a consequence the engine 'drinks' a little and now and again when >fresh and a tiny water seepage can be seen on the middle head studs >where there is a bit more pressure, but its a small price to pay. This >beds in after a while via gunge movement but teaches you to monitor the >levels in the header tanks in the meantime. > >Regards > >Tony > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 23 Jan 2013, at 02:32, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Impression in the carbon is just right. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >>> From: jaboruch at netzero.net >>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 >>> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> CC: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> >>> With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, >>> plus >> allow >>> 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but >>> had impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>> From: "Jim Gray" >>> To: "'FoT Triumph'" >>> Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height >>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 >>> >>> Greetings FoT, >>> >>> I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or >>> piston >> to >>> head clearance >>> >>> assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. >>> >>> I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 >>> >>> Thanks as always, >>> >>> jim g >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Woman is 53 But Looks 25 >>> Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 23 08:54:12 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Email communication test In-Reply-To: <20130123153439.B678E427E5@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1132356072.229466.1358956452852.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hip Hip Hurray ! Yes, a whole bushel basket ...and a couple dozen eggs. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: jason at multivintage.com To: "Greg Solow" , "Friends of Triumph" , "Mark J Bradakis" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:24:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Email communication test Yeah, great to have you back. I have often thought you deserve a nice shiny red apple on your engine desk, after some of your thoughtful well explained posts. Glad u r here again Greg! A real FoT asset. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Greg Solow Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: Friends of Triumph To: Mark J Bradakis ReplyTo: Greg Solow Subject: [Fot] Email communication test Sent: Jan 23, 2013 2:37 AM This is a test Email to see if my posts will get though to fot. It was sent at 12:30 am Wednesday January 23.It is addressed to the fot and to Mark. I hope it gets through! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 09:55:51 2013 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:55:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <1358960151.48886.YahooMailNeo@web162501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A good rule of thumb is .005 for every 1000 rpm. ________________________________ From: Joe Boruch To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FoT Triumph'" Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:27:14 -0700 Greetings FoT, I was curious as to what the group likes to run for deck height or piston to head clearance assuming forged rods and stock crank are used. I have heard everywhere from zero to .040 Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63 at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 23 12:30:01 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:30:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <682F9B667C31455FB36E1E651D02639B@gdhs.local> I'll be there along with your case of Brad Penn John H. 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Don _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jan 23 14:37:51 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:37:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height In-Reply-To: References: <20130122.193835.2889.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Not that it is on subject; but we ran 1mm in my 250cc two stroke GP Yamaha motors. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2013, at 7:52 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. Ask the sender to send it again using a different format or email program. text/plain From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 03:12:44 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:12:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <1359108764.29231.YahooMailNeo@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://health-trainers.org/wp-content/plugins/bdysm.html Jay Creel From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 15:27:35 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:27:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 26 15:39:43 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:39:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51045B2F.5050000@bradakis.com> I seem to recall reading about a 192x Triumph driven across Australia, covering a few thousand miles. Not sure if it was in a competition of any sort, but still an impressive feat given the time and place. mjb. From tr6driver at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 15:41:10 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:41:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I drove for about 1/4 of that time. Jamie Palmer On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few > different TR models. > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours > of LeMans. (early years) > > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on > our own FoT website) > > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and > I need an interesting FoT topic. > > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 15:50:37 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:50:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sweet, we have our first entry for the "totally official record holder"... so you did a full 24 hours plus. that will be tough to beat on time. We'll need to have some indication of distance traveled based on # of laps/miles for proper classification. On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jamie wrote: > Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th > place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I > drove for about 1/4 of that time. > > Jamie Palmer > > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. > > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing > grounds > > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a > few > > different TR models. > > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours > > of LeMans. (early years) > > > > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the > > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? > > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did > well > > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 > for > > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on > > our own FoT website) > > > > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago > and > > I need an interesting FoT topic. > > > > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > > > > Jason Ostrowski > > Friendly Ghost Racing > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 26 15:55:44 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:55:44 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901cdfc18$48c33620$da49a260$@com> Hi, My longest race was 3H and 2 minutes as single driver on my Triumph TR4. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Januar 2013 23:28 An: triumph friends Betreff: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Jan 26 15:57:05 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: Great winter topic, Jason! The 04 TR4 was not a good long distance racer, the all out sprint race engine did not like the 1 hour enduros I ran. But I am not sure what got tired out first, the car or the driver! I never was too successful in getting my head into the endurance race mode, I tried to get into a rhythm of slow and smooth with interesting results. I usually turned my best lap time of the weekend. The current build of the 04 car with stock crank, rods and a set of Hepolites with a close ratio overdrive gearbox might make a better endurance car. Hopefully someone will buy it and find out! Jason Ostrowski wrote: >The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds >for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few >different TR models. >I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours >of LeMans. (early years) > >Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >(Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well >in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for >over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on >our own FoT website) > >This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and >I need an interesting FoT topic. > >Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 26 16:03:35 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:03:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PIlVmBDsRZM#! From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 16:04:56 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:04:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. TeriAnn From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 16:19:58 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:19:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes TeriAnn, I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of hours. For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over 3 hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did The > Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > > TeriAnn > > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 26 16:22:47 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:22:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Yes TeriAnn, I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of hours. For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over 3 hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > > TeriAnn > > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > multivintage.com vintage.com> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 16:31:59 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:31:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR's In-Reply-To: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> References: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> Message-ID: I could make so many comments. But for once will remain speachless. Jason. On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:03 PM, MadMarx wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PIlVmBDsRZM#! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Jan 26 16:35:27 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:35:27 GMT Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? Ted can chime in with more details. I raced in that race 5 years ago, but it was in a Miata. Ted was there as a race marshall and was giving our team some tips. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:27:35 -0600 The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jan 26 16:45:29 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:45:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> References: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson Ledges > and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? > Ted can chime in... > Yes, This is a hot topic. I got a message from Ted already... FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. From tr6driver at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 18:01:48 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2252B9B1-1299-4B53-A8EE-EF169448B6BB@yahoo.com> I'll look it up and post... :-) Jamie Palmer On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Sweet, we have our first entry for the "totally official record holder"... > so you did a full 24 hours plus. that will be tough to beat on time. > We'll need to have some indication of distance traveled based on # of laps/miles for proper classification. > > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jamie wrote: >> Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I drove for about 1/4 of that time. >> >> Jamie Palmer >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> >> > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >> > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds >> > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few >> > different TR models. >> > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours >> > of LeMans. (early years) >> > >> > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >> > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >> > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well >> > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for >> > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on >> > our own FoT website) >> > >> > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and >> > I need an interesting FoT topic. >> > >> > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? >> > >> > Jason Ostrowski >> > Friendly Ghost Racing >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 18:19:11 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:19:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> Message-ID: <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jan 26 19:17:28 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> Message-ID: <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 19:43:18 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:43:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 which got us back to Oakland, Ca. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jan 26 20:03:26 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:03:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> Message-ID: <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> YES! The basis for a Great American Novel! In '62 I slept along side my TD, not realizing I was between the highway and the Union Pacific Railroad tracks, east of Denver. Sleep did not come easily after that westbound train came through about 2:00am. Speaking of costs....I was 300 miles from Road America and in 1966 it cost me about $20 one weekend. $6.00 for gas, .50 a night in the campground across from the track, .50 for a program, the gate entry, a little food, and some beer. The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 which got us back to Oakland, Ca. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat Jan 26 20:11:10 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 03:11:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com>, <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com>, <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud>, <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. Never be beaten by equipment > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > Yes TeriAnn, > > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > > hours. > > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > > 3 > > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > > 5:04 > > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > > > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > >> > >> TeriAnn > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: > >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > >> multivintage.com >> vintage.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 20:18:20 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 03:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <1087557731.378088.1359256700861.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Ted's Longest Day race results are going to be tough to beat in terms of 24 hour TR stats. I remember those races and attended a few for the full 24 hours way back in the early 80s. I have some pix of Ted and the TR8 coming down the main straight at Nelson's for the green flag at the start of an SCCA race, it's probably 1983. I copied the photos to Ted not too long ago. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: jason at multivintage.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:35:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? Ted can chime in with more details. I raced in that race 5 years ago, but it was in a Miata. Ted was there as a race marshall and was giving our team some tips. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:27:35 -0600 The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 20:30:36 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:30:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] My longest drive in a TR Message-ID: <1359257436.59681.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Friends, My longest drive took place in November 1959. I had taken a vacation to visit a Porsche owner I had befriended when his Speedster blew a timing gear near my Dad's farm. We stored it there until he could return to tow it back to the Air Force base at Alamagodo, NM, where he was stationed as a musician. The day before I was planning to return home, I twisted off an axle in the diff at a stop sign. We located a new part and installed it on a sand lot near the offbase home he rented. Since I was already one day late returning to work, I drove my '56 TR 3 straight through back home, covering 1125 miles in 22 hours. No-doz wasn't having much effect on me by the time I arrived home. I had run my first Sports Car race in that car the previous September. Maybe why I broke an axle some time later. Ken Suhre From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 21:09:14 2013 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:09:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive Message-ID: During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to drive my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be determined beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage space. We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach where we were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of oil at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the 2300 miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's engine..great little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new TR4 he acquired shortly after our return. Gary From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jan 26 21:20:15 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:20:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the original question was about race hours rather than road trips...But if you are going to talk road trips... Albany, NY to Dallas Tx for the 1989 VTR meet. Nonstop in the TR6. top down. Race in Dallas (win), pick up buddy at airport, drive to Minneapolis/St. Paul over 1.5 days (top down), spend 2 days in MSP, then non stop MSP->ALB some of it in the rain. Total somewhere in the neighborhood of 3400 miles in about 8 days. Was an epic road trip that can only be pulled off in college. ;) Plenty of other great road trips in that car... All with a race destination. My favourite is still autox on the streets of Waterloo, Iowa. Bob On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Vintage Racer wrote: > During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to > drive > my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due > south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of > California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be > determined > beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our > clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage > space. > We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second > day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were > surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach > where we > were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the > area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of > oil > at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the > 2300 > miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's > engine..great > little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new > TR4 he > acquired shortly after our return. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 21:25:38 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:25:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive References: Message-ID: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> What a Terrific bunch of Adventurous folks we were and still are..FOT ROCKS!! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Racer" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive > During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to > drive > my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is > due > south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of > California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be > determined > beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our > clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage > space. > We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second > day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we > were > surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach > where we > were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around > the > area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of > oil > at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the > 2300 > miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's > engine..great > little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new > TR4 he > acquired shortly after our return. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jan 26 21:28:47 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:28:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFCA5DEEA4886A-1FD4-20BF7@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> AH YES, BOB! The WATERLOO AUTOCROSS.....been there, done that. Somebody finally took out a street light and it ceased. -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Vintage Racer Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jan 26, 2013 10:23 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive I think the original question was about race hours rather than road trips...But if you are going to talk road trips... Albany, NY to Dallas Tx for the 1989 VTR meet. Nonstop in the TR6. top down. Race in Dallas (win), pick up buddy at airport, drive to Minneapolis/St. Paul over 1.5 days (top down), spend 2 days in MSP, then non stop MSP->ALB some of it in the rain. Total somewhere in the neighborhood of 3400 miles in about 8 days. Was an epic road trip that can only be pulled off in college. ;) Plenty of other great road trips in that car... All with a race destination. My favourite is still autox on the streets of Waterloo, Iowa. Bob On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Vintage Racer wrote: > During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to > drive > my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due > south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of > California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be > determined > beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our > clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage > space. > We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second > day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were > surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach > where we > were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the > area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of > oil > at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the > 2300 > miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's > engine..great > little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new > TR4 he > acquired shortly after our return. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Jan 26 21:31:52 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:31:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My longest drive in a TR In-Reply-To: <1359257436.59681.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359257436.59681.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My longest drive was at age 17 in my first car, a 68 GT6+ I had hobbled together in the side yard the summer before. 2800kms round trip to visit my brother in La Baie Quebec Bloody miracle. That car was such a rot bucket the guy handed me a shop manual and we sealed the deal for one dollar! A lot of pop rivets and fibreglass and the finishing touch... my mother suggested I paint it with her filter queen (I had no money :) so on a hot sunny day I sprayed my first car. All I will say is it was blue LOL. I sure learned a lot that year, trial by fire... Great fun From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jan 26 22:03:37 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:03:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR's In-Reply-To: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> References: <000a01cdfc19$60f25a90$22d70fb0$@com> Message-ID: <8CFCA62CCF87524-1E60-23562@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> So '60s Wonder where they all are now? Bob T -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'triumph friends' Sent: Sat, Jan 26, 2013 6:03 pm Subject: [Fot] TR's http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PIlVmBDsRZM#! ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Jan 26 22:03:28 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:03:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> Message-ID: <58823772-1605-4DC0-9A04-67DC839E0A02@consolidated.net> Great story. Thanks Kg Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 8:43 PM, "RACER BUD" wrote: > The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she > learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car > with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how > God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked > when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf > Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside > rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on > the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was > a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 > which got us back to Oakland, Ca. > RB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Alexander > To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > > > > > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > >> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Yes TeriAnn, >> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >> hours. >> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >> 3 >> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >> 5:04 >> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: >>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>> multivintage.com>> vintage.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 26 22:12:18 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:12:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> References: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> Message-ID: <5104B732.6090604@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > What a Terrific bunch of Adventurous folks we were and still are..FOT > ROCKS!! Indeed. My contribution will be about the summer of 1984. A '69 TR6 was my one and only means of transport. Managed to pack all I needed in it to drive from Salt Lake to Milpitas, California. I was staying there for the summer with a friend while I did an internship at the San Jose IBM labs. I had no qualms about the car, it did just fine. There, the daily commutes and back home again months later. My favorite part was when Deb flew out to see me and we drove it to Yosemite for some climbing. Every night I would put all the food in the trunk and back it under this leaning tree to keep the bears from popping it open. Maybe at this year's Kastner cup I'll tell the bear story. mjb. From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Jan 26 22:13:55 2013 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:13:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: <8CFCA5DEEA4886A-1FD4-20BF7@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFCA5DEEA4886A-1FD4-20BF7@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <37BC92C4-1842-4404-B94F-2B99C6748660@consolidated.net> Longest TR3 trip was 4985 miles in 15 days in 2005, but them most memorable had to be Watkins Glen, the first time in 1970 without a top and the last time with youse guys a couple of years ago. ;-) Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > AH YES, BOB! The WATERLOO AUTOCROSS.....been there, done that. Somebody > finally took out a street light and it ceased. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert bownes > To: Vintage Racer > Cc: FOT > Sent: Sat, Jan 26, 2013 10:23 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive > > > I think the original question was about race hours rather than road > trips...But if you are going to talk road trips... > > Albany, NY to Dallas Tx for the 1989 VTR meet. Nonstop in the TR6. top > down. Race in Dallas (win), pick up buddy at airport, drive to > Minneapolis/St. Paul over 1.5 days (top down), spend 2 days in MSP, then > non stop MSP->ALB some of it in the rain. Total somewhere in the > neighborhood of 3400 miles in about 8 days. Was an epic road trip that can > only be pulled off in college. ;) > > > Plenty of other great road trips in that car... All with a race > destination. My favourite is still autox on the streets of Waterloo, Iowa. > > Bob > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Vintage Racer > wrote: > >> During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to >> drive >> my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is due >> south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf of >> California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be >> determined >> beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our >> clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage >> space. >> We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the second >> day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we were >> surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach >> where we >> were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around the >> area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of >> oil >> at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the >> 2300 >> miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's >> engine..great >> little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new >> TR4 he >> acquired shortly after our return. >> >> Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From kaskas at cox.net Sat Jan 26 22:20:19 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:20:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com>, <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com>, <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud>, <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com>, Message-ID: Never be beaten by equipment In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. Never be beaten by equipment > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > Yes TeriAnn, > > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > > hours. > > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > > 3 > > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > > 5:04 > > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > > > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > >> > >> TeriAnn > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: > >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > >> multivintage.com >> vintage.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 22:46:37 2013 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:46:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive Message-ID: <5104BF3D.30000@comcast.net> I talked my wife to be (and still wife, Patty) into buying a Spitfire in 1972. We drove it from Portland to Lodi, CA to attend a friends wedding. What I remember most about the trip was filling the Spit with Coors beer which was not available in Oregon in those days (Smokey and the bandit part 0.01) . I think we got three or four cases into various parts of the car - a six pack at a time. From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jan 27 04:03:49 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:03:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4DD97FF3-AA17-4C91-99DB-EB0A064D7B45@virgin.net> I regularly used to drive my TR4a from London up to the Isle of Skye where my mum still lives, about 850 miles, 4 fuel stops and my best was just under 10 hours (including stops !) .... On the pic roads and timed to be late at night and through till breakfast to miss the traffic. Not quite racing but on the public roads and as quick as the lovely little soul would go. Top speed on the Tom Tom was on the a9 over the top of Drummacloch in the highlands about 4am as i recall where the reading was 125mph, windows up, hardtop on and flat to the floor. Su's and wire wheels as I remember too. Happy days ! Sent from my iPhone On 27 Jan 2013, at 05:20, Kas Kastner wrote: > Never be beaten by equipment > > > > > > In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of > Sebring, and first in class. > > In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring > and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike > Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, > another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third > in class at the same year. > > Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars > racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. > > I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. > > Never be beaten by equipment > >> To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", >> or the basis for a great book. >> >> I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army >> footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire >> time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MadMarx" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> >>> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >>> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >>> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >>> >>> Yes TeriAnn, >>> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >>> hours. >>> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >>> 3 >>> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >>> 5:04 >>> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >>> >>>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>>> >>>> TeriAnn >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: >>>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>>> multivintage.com>>> vintage.com> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jan 27 05:25:03 2013 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I can't remember who started this thread but KUDOs. Really nice reading all these great stories! Vince Sent from my iPhone On 2013-01-26, at 10:06 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > YES! The basis for a Great American Novel! > > In '62 I slept along side my TD, not realizing I was between the highway and > the Union Pacific Railroad tracks, east of Denver. Sleep did not come easily > after that westbound train came through about 2:00am. > > Speaking of costs....I was 300 miles from Road America and in 1966 it cost me > about $20 one weekend. $6.00 for gas, .50 a night in the campground across > from the track, .50 for a program, the gate entry, a little food, and some > beer. > > > > > > > > The entire trip cost 800.00....My wife only had a learner's permit so she > learned to drive on the trip(she was 19 and I was 22). We would wash the car > with creek water..I fished wherever we went...caught plenty enough(that's how > God works)..The camp grounds were all free as I recall..and we were shocked > when we had to pay 2.00 for a campground somewhere in Florida along the Gulf > Coast..Things were so safe then that we actually slept on a lawn at a roadside > rest in Chicago. We had no credit cards or electronic transfers then, so on > the way back, when we ran out of money in Hot Sulpher Springs Colorado(it was > a little dirt road side stop) I got a job digging a sewer line..I made 33.00 > which got us back to Oakland, Ca. > RB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joe Alexander > > To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox.team.net > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > > > > > > > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > >> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Yes TeriAnn, >> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >> hours. >> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >> 3 >> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >> 5:04 >> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: >>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>> multivintage.com>> vintage.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 07:10:11 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:10:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <51053543.1040204@gmail.com> When you own a Land Rover Factory camper (1960 Dormobile) it is what you use on the long cross country trips and those epic drives. But my TR3 has been on 3 approx. 1000 mile each way trips with only one mishap, an alternator going out. But there was a time when the Land Rover's gearbox was out being replaced when the TR had to fill in. With the passenger seat out, the Triumph could hold a big 120 lb bale of alfalfa and a couple 75 lb sacks of grain. To feed the livestock it took 7 round trips a week to the feed store & back. So a 3 can fill in as a farm truck as long as you don't have to haul manure. I've done as much of route 66 as I can find Flagstaff on West. I keep thinking I should finish the trip and take 66 East to the end. Not as many long trip miles as many of you have put on them but I'm not done yet. TeriAnn 1960 Land Rover Dormobile 1961 Triumph TR3A Never felt need for a third car From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Jan 27 08:05:59 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <51053543.1040204@gmail.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud> <8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <51053543.1040204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51054257.6080204@cfl.rr.com> Bought my very first TR3 in Yuma Arizona in 1969. The used autoparts yard had two of them both white. One with a blue leather interior and one with a red leather interior. They were sitting out front so had not yet reached the stage of crushing. $950 and the blue interior was mine. So, fast forward a couple of months. While sitting in the dorm at Thanksgiving time a buddy suggested we jump in the car and drive to his hometown, Chicago. I thought, sure why not and not realizing or caring it was about 1500 miles one way. It was very cold driving through the mid west that time of year. The generator gave out with about 200 miles to go. Loosened the belt enough to continue driving the water pump and made it to Chicago. Finding a generator in Chicago was a challenge in those days but finally did find one. The return trip had another problem surface. About the time we reached New Mexico the clutch release hydraulics was giving up. Had to bleed the slave cylinder at every fuel stop. It was a sign of the times because every stop at a gas station the owner was more than glad to let us put the car on the rack to bleed the system. Try to find one of those today. But we made it back. Round trip was about 3K miles all on route 66 and in 2 1/2 days driving time. The next story for another time is my trip from Yuma to Dover Delaware and the oil pressure only reaching 10lbs at 65mph for most of the trip. Bob On 1/27/13 9:10 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > When you own a Land Rover Factory camper (1960 Dormobile) it is what > you use on the long cross country trips and those epic drives. But my > TR3 has been on 3 approx. 1000 mile each way trips with only one > mishap, an alternator going out. > > But there was a time when the Land Rover's gearbox was out being > replaced when the TR had to fill in. With the passenger seat out, the > Triumph could hold a big 120 lb bale of alfalfa and a couple 75 lb > sacks of grain. To feed the livestock it took 7 round trips a week to > the feed store & back. So a 3 can fill in as a farm truck as long as > you don't have to haul manure. > > I've done as much of route 66 as I can find Flagstaff on West. I keep > thinking I should finish the trip and take 66 East to the end. > > Not as many long trip miles as many of you have put on them but I'm > not done yet. > > TeriAnn > 1960 Land Rover Dormobile > 1961 Triumph TR3A > Never felt need for a third car > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 27 08:24:47 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:24:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <139640D323A24486A164CF8590E8F4F4@UserTHINK> I agree, these stories have been great reading on a cold weekend in Ohio. Several of the Western Pa Triumph Association members have taken a weeks trip each year going or returning from the yearly FOT events. This year will be an extended drive through MI and WI on our way to the ELVF 2013. A few of the trips have been close to 3000 miles during that week. Fun times with FOT friends. Even though we are not racers we enjoy the welcome that we get when we meet up with FOT at these events. Thanks for having us, we appreciate the fellowship. JVV From tr6driver at yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 08:40:53 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:40:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <2252B9B1-1299-4B53-A8EE-EF169448B6BB@yahoo.com> References: <2252B9B1-1299-4B53-A8EE-EF169448B6BB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1359301253.85450.YahooMailNeo@web121606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ok, looked up the results on MyLaps. We covered 1597.5 miles in that 25/25/25. Considering that included 41 minutes off track for a RR halfshaft/trailing arm/brake replacement and an separate steering rack replacement, as well as some reduced lap speeds for downpours and some broken wheel studs (and one broken wheel), that wasn't too bad for a TR6 crap-can racer! Jamie Palmer >________________________________ >From: Jamie >To: Jason Ostrowski >Cc: triumph friends >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:01 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > >I'll look it up and post... :-) > >Jamie Palmer > > >On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > >> Sweet, we have our first entry for the "totally official record holder"... >> so you did a full 24 hours plus. that will be tough to beat on time. >> We'll need to have some indication of distance traveled based on # of >laps/miles for proper classification. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Jamie wrote: >>> Our team (RiffRAF Racing) completed the 2011 National Chumpionship in 19th >place after 25 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds of racing. Personally, I >drove for about 1/4 of that time. >>> >>> Jamie Palmer >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jason Ostrowski >wrote: >>> >>> > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >>> > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing >grounds >>> > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a >few >>> > different TR models. >>> > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 >hours >>> > of LeMans. (early years) >>> > >>> > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >>> > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >>> > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did >well >>> > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 >for >>> > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group >on >>> > our own FoT website) >>> > >>> > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago >and >>> > I need an interesting FoT topic. >>> > >>> > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? >>> > >>> > Jason Ostrowski >>> > Friendly Ghost Racing >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com/ > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 27 08:55:19 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:55:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR now a word about WPTA In-Reply-To: <8CFCABAAF5C3D3A-10FC-272CA@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com><6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud><8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com><7718FC0932FB4F51BB6B4A6C516A0D58@Bud><8CFCA520285C178-1FD4-2078C@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <8CFCABAAF5C3D3A-10FC-272CA@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFCABDD7793C97-10FC-27457@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA TRIUMPH ASSOCIATION: Some of the WPTA do have race history. They have also erected a hospitality tent and served as FOT hosts at the track. They are eschewing their traditional WATKINS GLEN TOUR to be with the FOT at the KCUP. Powerful Stuff. Furthermore, Marty Sukey has enlisted their help in the distribution of the event shirts. It takes a paddock full of FOT to support KASTNER CUP. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Vince G ; Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR I agree, these stories have been great reading on a cold weekend in Ohio. Several of the Western Pa Triumph Association members have taken a weeks trip each year going or returning from the yearly FOT events. This year will be an extended drive through MI and WI on our way to the ELVF 2013. A few of the trips have been close to 3000 miles during that week. Fun times with FOT friends. Even though we are not racers we enjoy the welcome that we get when we meet up with FOT at these events. Thanks for having us, we appreciate the fellowship. JVV From tarch at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 27 09:01:29 2013 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:01:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001c01cdfca7$92839f90$b78adeb0$@net> The other wrinkle in Triumph trips is driving a racecar to the track. In the last 13 years, ole #197 ran 29 races. Most of them were at the home track of Road Atlanta (60 miles from my shop). Two have been 600 mile trips (one way) to Mid Ohio, 2 to Daytona (450 miles), 2 to VIR (375 miles [one trip back home was on the hook - crankshaft failure])and 3 to Savannah (200 miles). It was entered in every enduro that was available. As a street car, it is cramped, stiff and uncomfortable. As a racecar it is heavy, softly suspended and underpowered (self imposed redline = 5.5K). For a nice old man like me, it is damn near perfect. Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:57 PM To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: Amici Triumphi Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Great winter topic, Jason! The 04 TR4 was not a good long distance racer, the all out sprint race engine did not like the 1 hour enduros I ran. But I am not sure what got tired out first, the car or the driver! I never was too successful in getting my head into the endurance race mode, I tried to get into a rhythm of slow and smooth with interesting results. I usually turned my best lap time of the weekend. The current build of the 04 car with stock crank, rods and a set of Hepolites with a close ratio overdrive gearbox might make a better endurance car. Hopefully someone will buy it and find out! Jason Ostrowski wrote: >The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. >It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing >grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there >with a few different TR models. >I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 >hours of LeMans. (early years) > >Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the >(Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? >Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did >well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving >a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of >this group on our own FoT website) > >This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago >and I need an interesting FoT topic. > >Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Jan 27 09:51:52 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:51:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive In-Reply-To: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> References: <0181A6EDA5B14F26BF1700AF83CF34C7@Bud> Message-ID: <51055B28.1040903@pobox.com> If we're talking about long road trips, In 1968 I drove my new TR250 10,000 miles in about 10 weeks. Started at the factory in Coventry, then went to Wales, Ireland, Scotland, England, France, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, back to Germany, France, Spain, France again, Switzerland, Italy, Yugoslavia, Austria, Germany again, Holland, Belgium and back to London. We would have covered more miles, but were stuck in Berlin for several weeks waiting for an engine replacement. With only 3,700 miles on it, the first one threw a rod in East Germany between Berlin and West Germany. I swear I was only going 80 mph. Good thing we were too young and stupid to be afraid of the East Germans. A couple of years later, my young bride and I drove it from Texas to Seattle in 3 days pulling a small trailer with all our worldly belongings. I especially remember the drive over Molas Pass in Colorado. The transmission went out 2 months later. Larry On 1/26/2013 10:25 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > What a Terrific bunch of Adventurous folks we were and still are..FOT > ROCKS!! > RB From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Jan 27 10:10:49 2013 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:10:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Didn't Ken Richardson take 4 or 5 Cambridge students to Monza in 1960 where they set all kinds of speed and distance records in a TR3A ? I think Paul Richardson wrote about it in detail in a VTR issue. They averaged more than 100 MPH for the 23 plus hours when one of the drivers flicked out of overdrive at very high speed and blew the engine. Don Elliott, Montreal -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: January-27-13 12:20 AM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Never be beaten by equipment In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines did 877 miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my TR-4 cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours of Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath and Craig Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time ago, but pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up 2,473 miles of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock parts aren't so bad after all. Never be beaten by equipment > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > > > Yes TeriAnn, > > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > > hours. > > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > > 3 > > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > > 5:04 > > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > > > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did > >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. > >> > >> TeriAnn > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: > >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > >> multivintage.com >> vintage.com> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jan 27 10:12:49 2013 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:12:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Longest Drive now GATHERING ON THE GREEN Message-ID: <1c461.44e16fca.3e36ba11@cs.com> Larry, did you tell me you were coming to KCUP 2013 with your TR250? We need an example of a TR250 at the GATHERING ON THE GREEN! The invitation to the GOT is for one example of each Triumph Model. For each car selected by the VSCDA GOT committee, there is a nice little gift that goes with it. This a very special event late SATURDAY AFTERNOON at the host hotel. The OSTHOFF......(I wonder how folks are doing with their registrations at the Osthoff) > If we're talking about long road trips, In 1968 I drove my new TR250 > 10,000 miles in about 10 weeks. Started at the factory in Coventry, > then went to Wales, Ireland, Scotland, England, France, Belgium, > Germany, Denmark, Sweden, back to Germany, France, Spain, France again, > Switzerland, Italy, Yugoslavia, Austria, Germany again, Holland, Belgium > and back to London. We would have covered more miles, but were stuck in > Berlin for several weeks waiting for an engine replacement. With only > 3,700 miles on it, the first one threw a rod in East Germany between > Berlin and West Germany. I swear I was only going 80 mph. Good thing we > were too young and stupid to be afraid of the East Germans. > > A couple of years later, my young bride and I drove it from Texas to > Seattle in 3 days pulling a small trailer with all our worldly > belongings. I especially remember the drive over Molas Pass in > Colorado. The transmission went out 2 months later. > Larry > > From jkhagen at charter.net Sun Jan 27 10:38:17 2013 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:38:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <22b9eb37.411f6f.13c7d16946a.Webtop.43@charter.net> "I guess those Triumph stock parts are not so bad after all" Mr. Kastner Just thought I'd repeat it. John Hagen On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > In 1963 Peter Bolton and Mike Rothschild did 612 miles in the 12 hours > of > Sebring, and first in class. In 1966 Bill Pendleton and Steve Froines > did 877 > miles in 12 hours at Sebring and, first in class. All were done in my > TR-4 > cars. Dick Gilmartin and Mike Rothschild did 826 miles in the 12 hours > of > Sebring 1966 and 2nd in class, another of my cars, Ludwig Heimwrath > and Craig > Hill did 770 miles and third in class at the same year. Long time > ago, but > pretty tough going for the day it was. So the three cars racked up > 2,473 miles > of RACING and won the Team prize also. I guess those Triumph stock > parts > aren't so bad after all. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; >> fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", >> or the basis for a great book. >> >> I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army >> footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the >> entire >> time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was >> 1969! >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MadMarx" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> >>> I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >>> Im >>> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >>> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >>> >>> Yes TeriAnn, >>> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many >>> # of >>> hours. >>> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just >>> over >>> 3 >>> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 >>> at >>> 5:04 >>> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >>> >>>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke >>>> did >>>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>>> >>>> TeriAnn >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: >>>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>>> >>>> multivintage.com>>> vintage.com> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 18:13:43 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today Message-ID: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello Friends, I drove my TR3 for the first time today. So far so good. What a joy ! As I said in my "first start" message to the group a week ago, as far as I know the car has not been on the road since 1975 and today was the first drive since a nut and bolt restoration into a vintage race car. The alignment needs a little tweaking, but the engine sounds and ran great, trans shifted beautifully, the suspension and brakes felt great. My brother was my co-driver and got some vid of the experience. He trusted my work enough to get in and go with me. He was as excited as I was. He has witnessed the 57 month project on almost a weekly basis. I recently posted some photos on Photobucket of the the build process and will connect the link to the group soon. Thanks again to everyone who shared their advice, information and Triumph experience. FoT are the best ! I'l be sure to keep the group informed as this experience progresses to my first track drive. Dave H. From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 19:16:16 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:16:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil Message-ID: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 19:18:43 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:18:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube oil leak. Message-ID: <1359339523.20821.YahooMailClassic@web126103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Correct the year to 1961 TR4 #79. Ken Suhre From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 19:25:54 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:25:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> Did you also search the Triumph list archives? I'm sure this has been discussed there before. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jan 27 19:26:33 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:26:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFCB1605D9DAF6-9D0-2AE14@Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com> I used a Craftsman socket with a small end that steps down. It worked great as a swaging tool. Multiple light taps to move material. Of course you can only do the top. I am sure some will also say to use carb cleaner at the tubes and add some sealant of some kind. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Ken Suhre To: FOT Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:18 pm Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 19:29:41 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:29:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ken..you may as well pull the head and put in new valve guides(I don't know which valve guides to recommend.) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Suhre" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil >I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has >anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop >the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the >head. > Ken Suhre > 1969 TR4 #79 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From clw2000 at msn.com Sun Jan 27 19:38:07 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:38:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> Message-ID: What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts have been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:25:54 -0700 > From: mark at bradakis.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil > > Did you also search the Triumph list archives? I'm sure this has been > discussed there before. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 19:46:35 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:46:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Charles WATSON wrote: > What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts > have been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! You click on the archive link below. Then you click on a list, say, Triumphs. Then you enter some words in the search box, like pushrod tube Then you hit enter, and see what happens. mjb. From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Jan 27 19:50:01 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:50:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil Message-ID: Hi all, I ues a Moroso 2 part epoxy. White-ish/blue running stuff to seal the tops of the p/rod tubes and the water plug at the cyl. Head. Just make sure the area is clean and dry. Tony Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Ken Suhre wrote: >I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. >Ken Suhre >1969 TR4 #79 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jan 27 19:58:41 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:58:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo .com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack found some sort of loctite green compound that you could wick into the gap between the tube and the head. Didn't TOTALLY stop the leak but made it better. The craftsman socket method Joe mentioned came into play too. Tony At 08:16 PM 1/27/2013, Ken Suhre wrote: >I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. >Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like >to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last >resort pulling the head. >Ken Suhre >1969 TR4 #79 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 20:02:18 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:02:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Mark..the archives are Fantastic..1st I knew they existed thanks! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil > Charles WATSON wrote: >> What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts have >> been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! > > You click on the archive link below. > > Then you click on a list, say, Triumphs. > > Then you enter some words in the search box, like pushrod tube > > Then you hit enter, and see what happens. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 20:09:11 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:09:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com> <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5105EBD7.90908@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > Mark..the archives are Fantastic..1st I knew they existed > thanks! You're welcome. After all these years I'm used to people not realizing all that I provide ;-) What I would really like to do someday is make it so you don't have to search specific lists, but can search multiple, if not all, archives. As soon as everything else is working completely and up to date, I guess. mjb. From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Jan 27 20:22:05 2013 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (J. Wagner) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:22:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <20130128030848.3EC2740E1E@autox.team.net> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130128030848.3EC2740E1E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <30B1D592-8C7F-43FE-BA29-11E2EE1CA726@greenheart.com> This is probably what I would experiment with.... (And maybe this is what Tony is thinking Jack used?) http://www.loctiteproducts.com/p/10/25/t_lkr_green/overview/Loctite-Threadloc ker-Green-290.htm "Capillary action" is the key! And I would clean the tubes thoroughly with degreaser, followed by spray (zero residue) contact cleaner, and pressured (filtered) air... And I'd warm the head with a blow drier.... (Just warm, not hot).... I can't speak to whether it would work... I haven't given it a shot, my tubes (street car) seem to do ok.... but this would definitely be my approach. --Justin On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Jack found some sort of loctite green compound that you could wick into the gap between the tube and the head. Didn't TOTALLY stop the leak but made it better. The craftsman socket method Joe mentioned came into play too. > > Tony > > At 08:16 PM 1/27/2013, Ken Suhre wrote: >> I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. >> Ken Suhre >> 1969 TR4 #79 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jan 27 20:52:38 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:52:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <30B1D592-8C7F-43FE-BA29-11E2EE1CA726@greenheart.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130128030848.3EC2740E1E@autox.team.net> <30B1D592-8C7F-43FE-BA29-11E2EE1CA726@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <5105F606.5020703@bradakis.com> I sort of remember writing up a bit about this, maybe early 90s, when Chris Kantarjiev got his TR4A and asked on the Triumph list about these leaks. And like everyone has said, the first step is making sure the top of the tube has good mechanical contact with the head, then some sort of wicking compound like the Loctite 290 green. The hard part is getting it *clean* mjb. From jason at multivintage.com Sun Jan 27 21:25:09 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:25:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today In-Reply-To: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: 57 months. A round of drinks for everyone! Surely, another great car has been added to the FoT ranks. I had the pleasure of meeting Dave last year at Road Atlanta. Some guys are just easy to like. In retrospect, no wonder he was so likable. Like many of us, he was under and on top of his dream car for years. That is a long time dedication. A first drive after 4 years of hard work and more time and $ than anyone would admit, I say... Bravo Dave! A moment to be proud of. In our little world, I think that its pretty safe to say this is a car built for all the right reasons. Dave, you deserve every moment of happiness this car will provide. Awesome. Jason Ostrowski Freiendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: davehogye Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:13:43 To: Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today Hello Friends, I drove my TR3 for the first time today. So far so good. What a joy ! As I said in my "first start" message to the group a week ago, as far as I know the car has not been on the road since 1975 and today was the first drive since a nut and bolt restoration into a vintage race car. The alignment needs a little tweaking, but the engine sounds and ran great, trans shifted beautifully, the suspension and brakes felt great. My brother was my co-driver and got some vid of the experience. He trusted my work enough to get in and go with me. He was as excited as I was. He has witnessed the 57 month project on almost a weekly basis. I recently posted some photos on Photobucket of the the build process and will connect the link to the group soon. Thanks again to everyone who shared their advice, information and Triumph experience. FoT are the best ! I'l be sure to keep the group informed as this experience progresses to my first track drive. Dave H. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sun Jan 27 21:54:27 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:54:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20130128030852.40EB840EA7@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <757F7BB507684D6980FF4F7A102E0CF5@your89d26e0447> Be careful using the socket to peen the tubes into place with the head on the car. It is easy to shift the tubes downward into the tappet galley. They are not supported on the bottom when the head is on the block. With the head on a steel workbench top or smooth concrete floor, the tubes can be swaged into tight contact easily. Using "wicking" loctite to really seal them top and bottom is essential to make them completely dry. The most difficult part is getting ALL of the oil residue out of the space between the tube and the head. The Loctite will not seal unless the oil residue is completely gone. Very hard to accomplish with the head on the block. It is important to not get much of the degreasing agent down the pushrod tube and into the oil of the engine where it will break down the oil. I suppose you could fit small corks or rubber plugs with a wire running through them so you could pull them back out after degreasing the gaps. The bottom of the tubes also tend to leak, they can be degreased and sealed from the out side area just under the spark plug holes. Greg Solow From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sun Jan 27 21:58:06 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:58:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today References: <535304251.400459.1359335623710.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7D80CDCC40594936914025E6FB35EFDA@your89d26e0447> Congratulations Dave! You have done a wonderful job on the car. When you show up at the track and the FOT folks see your car, they are going to be WOWED The craftsmanship is flawless and the engineering is great! Greg Solow From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 22:17:24 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 05:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today In-Reply-To: <7D80CDCC40594936914025E6FB35EFDA@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <1981070084.407054.1359350244107.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey, you're back on the FoT again! That's great! I had a feeling that you might chime in about the pushrod tube issue. Thanks for all of your support Greg. I wouldn't have had the same results without your mechanical expertise and assistance. The motor pulls strong and is still dry. Oh, where the hell is that piece of wood I've been carrying around. I'll bring her by the shop if I can tomorrow. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" , Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:58:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] First drive in my TR3 today Congratulations Dave! You have done a wonderful job on the car. When you show up at the track and the FOT folks see your car, they are going to be WOWED The craftsmanship is flawless and the engineering is great! Greg Solow From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 28 01:11:41 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:11:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cdfd2f$1c82d940$55888bc0$@com> I don't understand this question. How can a pusrod leak? And from where to where does it leak? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Ken Suhre Gesendet: Montag, 28. Januar 2013 03:16 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 05:36:14 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:36:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <000901cdfd2f$1c82d940$55888bc0$@com> Message-ID: <1359376574.52140.YahooMailClassic@web126104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Chris, It is the tube in the head, that the pushrod passes through, that I have leaking oil. Ken Suhre --- On Mon, 1/28/13, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil To: "'FOT'" Date: Monday, January 28, 2013, 2:11 AM I don't understand this question. How can a pusrod leak? And from where to where does it leak? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Ken Suhre Gesendet: Montag, 28. Januar 2013 03:16 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil I have searched the Archives for a solution to this problem my TR4. Has anyone fixed this problem without pulling the head? I would like to stop the leak either with the head on the engine or as a last resort pulling the head. Ken Suhre 1969 TR4 #79 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Jan 28 05:57:01 2013 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:57:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Back when Midwestern Council did The 4 hour race, Kirk Gutshe did it solo in a TR4A IRS. The same car I used to get my comp license. That car run like a train!! On 1/26/13 4:27 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3442201021_35581245] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From clw2000 at msn.com Mon Jan 28 05:57:31 2013 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> References: <1359339376.98926.YahooMailClassic@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , <5105E1B2.6050003@bradakis.com>, , <5105E68B.5020907@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark - just what I was looking for! I don't recall seeing this on the page that has the log-ins and prior post links. Might be helpful to put it on there if it isnt already. Thanks again. Chuck Watson > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:46:35 -0700 > From: mark at bradakis.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil > > Charles WATSON wrote: > > What IS the best way to search the archives? My couple of attempts > > have been tedious at best. Hoping there is an efficient way! > > You click on the archive link below. > > Then you click on a list, say, Triumphs. > > Then you enter some words in the search box, like pushrod tube > > Then you hit enter, and see what happens. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 06:36:20 2013 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 05:36:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil Message-ID: <1359380180.12750.YahooMailClassic@web126106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks for all your suggestions. Here is what I plan to do. With the rocker assembly and pushrods out of the way, I will lightly tap a tapered drift into the tube to expand it,taking care not to drive it down. This should seal off the tube to prevent any solvent form going down into the engine. Then after warming it with a heatgun, and making sure no oil residue remains, apply some Locktite to it on top and and on the outside where it goes through the bottom lip of the head. I probably won't know if I am successful until the next race. Mark, I did search all 400 of the treads in the Archives under leaks. I didn't find any pertaining to this. Possibly the one your remember was too old or losts. Thanks, so much, for keeping all this information possible. Ken Suhre From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jan 28 08:28:54 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:28:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: <20130126.183527.9746.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: I ran the 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges twice. First time on a 500cc Honda (1st. Place) and the second time on a 250cc Suzuki (way back). The thing that sticks in my mind about that track was that it seemed to be built around a swamp. It rained both times and frogs would come out onto the track! But, I 'spose these races don't count. Is that track still open??? John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:45 PM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson > Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in a TR8??? > Ted can chime in... > Yes, This is a hot topic. I got a message from Ted already... FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 28 08:59:26 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:59:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Pushrod tube leaks oil In-Reply-To: <1359380180.12750.YahooMailClassic@web126106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Mark, I did search all 400 of the treads in the Archives > under leaks. I didn't find any pertaining to this. Possibly > the one your remember was too old or losts. Try either "leaky" or "sealing", without the quotes. The search engine seems to have a problem with searching for phrases, so "pushrod tubes" doesn't work at all unless you leave out the quotes. (The quotes indicate to search for that exact phrase, but there are lots of posts with that phrase in the archive.) The "More with this subject" link does not work at all, likely for the same reason. (BTW the [Permanent Link] and [Original] links don't work either.) Here's a thread I found from 1997, with pretty much the same replies you got this time: http://goo.gl/WYKV9 -- Randall From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Jan 28 09:33:59 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:33:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books Message-ID: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Amici I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. So....... Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures both color and B&W. Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. What say we? Chris From riverside at southslope.net Mon Jan 28 09:35:11 2013 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:35:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If there any TR's being Chumped, there is a 36 hour enduro schedule in Washingto state in the Chump Car calendar. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:27 PM To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6056 - Release Date: 01/25/13 From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Jan 28 09:57:14 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:57:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130128165714.KPX4H.45233.root@hrndva-web19-z01> I'd buy one. Maybe have something to contribute as it relates to WPTA Road Trips associated with FOT Events if that would interest anyone. JVV ---- Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ From tr6driver at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 09:59:37 2013 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:59:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E13D7D4-BD19-4C7D-A959-1C6A487F6D06@yahoo.com> Too far for us to haul the TR6 from NC. But they are going to rotate the 36 hour race to other areas in future years if this one is successful. If it hits east of the Mississippi we'll be there, I'm sure! Jamie Palmer On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:35 AM, wrote: > If there any TR's being Chumped, there is a 36 hour enduro > schedule in Washingto state in the Chump Car calendar. > > art de armond > > -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:27 PM > To: triumph friends > Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. > It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds > for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few > different TR models. > I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours > of LeMans. (early years) > > Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the > (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? > Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well > in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for > over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on > our own FoT website) > > This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and > I need an interesting FoT topic. > > Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6056 - Release Date: 01/25/13 _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 28 10:04:45 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:04:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Chris, If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of his stories. Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. Of course, Kas has them. My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big job would be to edit it all into a book. Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a fellow enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of adventures with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER PRIZE. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am Subject: [Fot] Books Amici I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. So....... Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures both color and B&W. Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. What say we? Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Jan 28 10:30:31 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube Message-ID: <1210081987.360248.1359394231914.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jan 28 10:39:11 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:39:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com>, <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I know one thing for absolute sure, if you go into self publishing be sure to throw everything out of one stall in your garage 'cause that is where the unsold books will live for eternity. :-) No more lawn mowers, no more beer taps, no more race cars or gun works or snow blowers or stacks of old magazines, gone forever to make room for your newly found book inventory. Never be beaten by equipment > To: SeaCubeCo at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; ChrisB71 at aol.com > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:04:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > Chris, > > If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of his > stories. > > Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. > > I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. > > Of course, Kas has them. > > My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big job > would be to edit it all into a book. > > Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. > > Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a fellow > enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of adventures > with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... > > In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER > PRIZE. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Bock > To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock > Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am > Subject: [Fot] Books > > > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jan 28 10:50:34 2013 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:50:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> Message-ID: <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> I'm in. Bob Davis ---- Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Mon Jan 28 11:14:03 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:14:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube In-Reply-To: <1210081987.360248.1359394231914.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8E.AB.08009.CEFB6015@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> I would recommend taking a look at the following site... No personal involvement here it's just that I have read most of their info which is good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the cylinder bore range by 1/4 and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact size but should use the next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the same as a size offered. They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits and normally start with a 120 and then finish with a 240. http://www.enginehones.com/ Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:31 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 28 11:33:14 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:33:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Books Message-ID: In a message dated 01/28/2013 11:39:18 AM Central Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > I know one thing for absolute sure, if you go into self publishing be > sure to > throw everything out of one stall in your garage 'cause that is where the > unsold books will live for eternity. :-) No more lawn mowers, no more > beer > taps, no more race cars or gun works or snow blowers or stacks of old > magazines, gone forever to make room for your newly found book inventory. > Hmmmm... I wonder how long before that spoon fed wisdom from our Guardian Angel sinks in. There's always flies in the ointment, and Kas knows how to point them out without stepping on anyone's toes. We could take up a collection and buy a warehouse for storing the books? Maintain it by renting space to FOT members for storing parts and parts cars? Our spouses will vote YES for the latter. Abandon the whole idea? Bill (Damdinger) From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Jan 28 12:56:30 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:56:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Message-ID: <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> Do any of you remember Auto Book Men. I think that's how it was spell Anyway it was in Maryland some 30 years ago. You name it they had it. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:51 PM To: FoTTriumph; Christopher Bock; christopher bock Subject: Re: [Fot] Books I'm in. Bob Davis ---- Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few > pictures both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 28 13:03:14 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FYI Message-ID: <5106D982.1010709@bradakis.com> There are currently about 315 addresses on this list. mjb. From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Jan 28 13:05:17 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:05:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yeah, that was a great store. I spent way too much money with them. I had forgotten all about them. John On Mon, January 28, 2013 2:56 pm, Craig Wensley wrote: > Do any of you remember Auto Book Men. I think that's how it was spell > Anyway it was in Maryland some 30 years ago. You name it they had it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:51 PM > To: FoTTriumph; Christopher Bock; christopher bock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > I'm in. > > Bob Davis > > ---- Christopher Bock wrote: >> Amici >> >> I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. >> >> So....... >> >> Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? >> >> It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few >> pictures both color and B&W. >> >> Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we > have >> that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. >> >> What say we? >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Jan 28 13:36:37 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:36:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <20130128175034.54H5L.59372.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> <000301cdfd91$91292350$b37b69f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701cdfd97$2b93adc0$82bb0940$@comcast.net> Did you race with owner Lee Sack at Marlboro to (back in the day) -----Original Message----- From: R. John Lye [mailto:rjl6n at cstone.net] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:05 PM To: Craig Wensley Cc: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com; 'FoTTriumph'; 'Christopher Bock'; 'christopher bock' Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Yeah, that was a great store. I spent way too much money with them. I had forgotten all about them. John On Mon, January 28, 2013 2:56 pm, Craig Wensley wrote: > Do any of you remember Auto Book Men. I think that's how it was spell > Anyway it was in Maryland some 30 years ago. You name it they had it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:51 PM > To: FoTTriumph; Christopher Bock; christopher bock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > I'm in. > > Bob Davis > > ---- Christopher Bock wrote: >> Amici >> >> I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. >> >> So....... >> >> Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? >> >> It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few >> pictures both color and B&W. >> >> Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if >> we > have >> that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. >> >> What say we? >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 28 15:16:59 2013 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:16:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130128221659.SDV7K.60133.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> ---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > We could take up a collection and buy a warehouse for storing the books? What about using one of the "print on demand" printers instead? I assume the per-book costs would be higher, but maybe not compared to buying a warehouse. Eg, http://www.thebookpatch.com/ Randall From igofaster at att.net Mon Jan 28 17:58:32 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:58:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1359421112.83915.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> hey! send me some pizza from Lou Malnati's ... I'll 'feel' for you... global warming was 78 degrees in N.Texas today.... Love AND miss Chicago bro! BW ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 4:31:50 PM Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Jan 28 18:32:05 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:32:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Message-ID: <20130128.203205.21636.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Yes, the track is still open, The facilities were somewhat rough back in 2008, but I had heard since then that it was undergoing renovations. Track had a few rough spots too. I don't know about the swamps, but it rained during the 24 hour race I drove in and got quite foggy during the night. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "john hasty" To: "'Jason Ostrowski'" , "'Joe Boruch'" Cc: Subject: RE: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:28:54 -0500 I ran the 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges twice. First time on a 500cc Honda (1st. Place) and the second time on a 250cc Suzuki (way back). The thing that sticks in my mind about that track was that it seemed to be built around a swamp. It rained both times and frogs would come out onto the track! But, I 'spose these races don't count. Is that track still open??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. 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FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Jan 28 18:47:47 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:47:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 deck height Message-ID: <20130128.204747.21636.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> It was more than just an impression in the carbon. It was an impression in the aluminum. Joe(B) From: Kas Kastner To: , "toodamnfunky at comcast.net" Cc: fot Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 deck height Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:32:53 +0000 Impression in the carbon is just right. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jaboruch at netzero.net > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:38:35 +0000 > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 deck height > > With a billet crank and Pauter rods I use a 0.010 inch deck height, plus allow > 0.022 for the head gasket. I have run as little as 0.007 deck, but had > impressions of the head on top of the pistons. Joe(B) > ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Jan 28 19:09:03 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:09:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <653894CE-26A2-4A4A-9C8E-4F33D9A66D78@aol.com> Amici I was thinking that if everyone who is a FOT member writes a story we can have enough stories to do this. There are the usual people who comment regularly but what about the other 300 who are members. What is their story? All we would need is their name location and story Example: Chris B from Delaware (now), USA I caught the racing bug when my friends were trying to figure which vintage organization they wanted to race in while building their MGA racer. Funny thing is that they own a GT6 and a TR6. While at Summit Point around 08 the big joke was, "Where is Chris? Oh, he is wrenching on someone's car!" Which was true! I was watching someone replace a head gasket and they said that if I stayed they would put me to work. They did! The other joke was that the next session the car ran the best it did all day. Also that day i helped replace an axle shaft. That was the start if it. Now while at the races I crew for the MGA, Bugeye Sprite, and a Formula Vee. Slowly I am building a 74 Spit eventually for the track. First I will have some fun with the stock parts on the street. Then to the races I go. I am going to have I share the driving with my wife. Even something as short as that would be fine. Ok hit me with the opinions I have a friend who prints books and they are helping me what would be needed from start to finish. Chris On Jan 28, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Chris, > > If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of his stories. > > Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. > > I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. > > Of course, Kas has them. > > My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big job would be to edit it all into a book. > > Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. > > Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a fellow enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of adventures with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... > > In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER PRIZE. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Bock > To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock > Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am > Subject: [Fot] Books > > Amici > > I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. > > So....... > > Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? > > It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few pictures > both color and B&W. > > Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have > that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. > > What say we? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 21:55:09 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:55:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <653894CE-26A2-4A4A-9C8E-4F33D9A66D78@aol.com> References: <58A3FBE1-7714-4018-8B4D-5DFD3EBDF75F@aol.com> <8CFCB90B50576DD-160C-31F9E@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> <653894CE-26A2-4A4A-9C8E-4F33D9A66D78@aol.com> Message-ID: <46EB141B-B6A6-4566-B3D7-5ABE9E872F90@bnj.com> On paper? Why? Probably 95% of the book I read these days are electronic, and I read constantly--probably more than 100 books a year. Authoring tools for eBooks are awesome, and it doesn't cost anything to publish. Why do it on dead trees? On Jan 28, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Amici > I was thinking that if everyone who is a FOT member writes a story we can have > enough stories to do this. There are the usual people who comment regularly > but what about the other 300 who are members. What is their story? > All we would need is their name location and story > > Example: > > Chris B from Delaware (now), USA > > I caught the racing bug when my friends were trying to figure which vintage > organization they wanted to race in while building their MGA racer. Funny > thing is that they own a GT6 and a TR6. While at Summit Point around 08 the > big joke was, "Where is Chris? Oh, he is wrenching on someone's car!" Which > was true! I was watching someone replace a head gasket and they said that if > I stayed they would put me to work. They did! The other joke was that the > next session the car ran the best it did all day. Also that day i helped > replace an axle shaft. That was the start if it. Now while at the races I > crew for the MGA, Bugeye Sprite, and a Formula Vee. Slowly I am building a 74 > Spit eventually for the track. First I will have some fun with the stock parts > on the street. Then to the races I go. I am going to have I share the driving > with my wife. > > Even something as short as that would be fine. > > Ok hit me with the opinions > > > I have a friend who prints books and they are helping me what would be needed > from start to finish. > > Chris > > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> If Francis and Tony allowed, Jack Drews has a well done version of one of > his stories. >> >> Robert Johns has some great stories to tell. >> >> I know Mordy Dunst has great one...and likely more. >> >> Of course, Kas has them. >> >> My point is that there are many that have already been written and the big > job would be to edit it all into a book. >> >> Actually, in this age of desktop publishing, this is a brilliant idea. >> >> Printing? We printed KAS' latest book in Cedar Falls, Iowa through a > fellow enthusiast. Joe Pawlak of ISOA printed Jon MACARTNEY'S book of > adventures with UNCLE JACK, the Stag......Good one Chris.... >> >> In a group of 300 FOT, there should be enough resources to win the PULITZER > PRIZE. >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christopher Bock >> To: FoTTriumph ; christopher bock >> Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:38 am >> Subject: [Fot] Books >> >> Amici >> >> I have read a bunch of interesting and awesome stories. >> >> So....... >> >> Would we (FOT) be interested in a book of FOT stories and adventures? >> >> It would be of adventures and stories from our members. Maybe a few > pictures >> both color and B&W. >> >> Books would be about $20 if we can sell 275 books. I don't know if we have >> that many members. I guess everyone can have their story told. >> >> What say we? >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Jan 28 22:06:32 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:06:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Looking for a light TR6 trunk lid In-Reply-To: References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com>, <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com>, <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud>, <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1359435992.80323.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know of anyone making and selling TR6 trunk lids made from lighter material? Thanks, Jim From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jan 28 22:41:55 2013 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:41:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <46EB141B-B6A6-4566-B3D7-5ABE9E872F90@bnj.com> Message-ID: > Why do it on dead trees? I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) -- Randall From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 29 01:14:56 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:14:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube Message-ID: Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to use based on the material your top compression rings are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their catalogue. We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. The auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. We like it much better than "washing with soap and water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught in auto shop class and in vintage text books. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] Sent : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM To : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube I would recommend taking a look at the following site... No personal involvement here it's just that I have read most of their info which is good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the cylinder bore range by 1/4 and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact size but should use the next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the same as a size offered. They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits and normally start with a 120 and then finish with a 240. http://www.enginehones.com/ Steve Yott -----Original Message----- Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 29 01:15:48 2013 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:15:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube Message-ID: <8F3EDDE103EE4F428660E98A6AF5F57A@your89d26e0447> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:34 PM Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to use based on the material your top compression rings are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their catalogue. We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. The auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. We like it much better than "washing with soap and water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught in auto shop class and in vintage text books. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] Sent : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM To : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube I would recommend taking a look at the following site... No personal involvement here it's just that I have read most of their info which is good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the cylinder bore range by 1/4 and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact size but should use the next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the same as a size offered. They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits and normally start with a 120 and then finish with a 240. http://www.enginehones.com/ Steve Yott -----Original Message----- Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net FoT I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've used once and on the second time round It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. Since they are made to a specific bore size their service life has to be limited but how limited ? Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to use while running a hone. Thanks as always, jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From mmoore at wave1.net Tue Jan 29 05:58:05 2013 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <20130128.203205.21636.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20130128.203205.21636.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000901cdfe20$48100370$d8300a50$@net> Nelson Ledges is still open but the surface is in really rough shape, this is where I have been practicing the past 2 years. It's a great layout, and only costs $130 for a track day. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:32 PM To: jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Yes, the track is still open, The facilities were somewhat rough back in 2008, but I had heard since then that it was undergoing renovations. Track had a few rough spots too. I don't know about the swamps, but it rained during the 24 hour race I drove in and got quite foggy during the night. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "john hasty" To: "'Jason Ostrowski'" , "'Joe Boruch'" Cc: Subject: RE: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:28:54 -0500 I ran the 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges twice. First time on a 500cc Honda (1st. Place) and the second time on a 250cc Suzuki (way back). The thing that sticks in my mind about that track was that it seemed to be built around a swamp. It rained both times and frogs would come out onto the track! But, I 'spose these races don't count. Is that track still open??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:45 PM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > Ted Schumacher competed in the Longest Day 24 hour races at Nelson > Ledges and was on a wining team at least once. I believe this was in > a TR8??? > Ted can chime in... > Yes, This is a hot topic. I got a message from Ted already... FROM Daytona LIVE! He is indeed in the running for the top spot. Keep the stats and stories coming. There are multiple categories of interest so far. Jason. FGR. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jan 29 06:31:36 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:31:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books References: Message-ID: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> Amen Randall, I have a couple dozen books autographed by the authors. One of my treasures is a ski racing book signed by Billy Kidd at Steamboat Springs in 1985. What was the hot computer setup in those days? Michael Argetsinger signed his Walt Hansgen book for me (and his others) at Watkins Glen over the last few years. Great memories. Throw in Kas's books, and Carroll Smith's also. Then, of course, there's B S Levy! (Well named!) ((I like Burt)) All this computer stuff is nice, but give me a book any day. Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FoTTriumph'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years > ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" > floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of > my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 29 06:40:10 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> References: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> Message-ID: <006b01cdfe26$28bf9930$7a3ecb90$@rr.com> Speaking of Burt.......... He must have a warehouse where he stores his goods before turning to cash............I could relate a few tales for a bunch of laughs if you guys go ahead with this, but would have to change the names to protect the guilty! I'm not sure of the statute of limitations in some states! russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:32 AM To: Randall Cc: 'FoTTriumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Amen Randall, I have a couple dozen books autographed by the authors. One of my treasures is a ski racing book signed by Billy Kidd at Steamboat Springs in 1985. What was the hot computer setup in those days? Michael Argetsinger signed his Walt Hansgen book for me (and his others) at Watkins Glen over the last few years. Great memories. Throw in Kas's books, and Carroll Smith's also. Then, of course, there's B S Levy! (Well named!) ((I like Burt)) All this computer stuff is nice, but give me a book any day. Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FoTTriumph'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 > years ago that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge > tape, 8" > floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some > of my DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable > either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty > sure my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't > count that :) > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 07:09:24 2013 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:09:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5107D814.1050409@gmail.com> On 1/28/13 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: >> Why do it on dead trees? > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. That's why I will only purchase an e-book in html format. From past experience of software changes, with companies coming & going and formats coming & going, I have decided that if you tie yourself to one company's e-reader you are guaranteeing a limited shelf life for your content. Every device that connects to the web has software that will read and display html. New versions of html will be backwards compatible with older versions and is my best bet for being able to reread a book a decade or so later. I can not imagine anyone making a change to html that would render everything archived on the net unreadable. If a publisher offers an e-book in html format, I purchase the html version. If not I go with the paper version. While I have 4 book cases filled with paper books, I also have 54 books in html format that I can read on any web browser on any hardware that supports a web browser. My e-fifth book case. TeriAnn From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 29 07:24:16 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:24:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <006b01cdfe26$28bf9930$7a3ecb90$@rr.com> References: <3961C55940094447B193469DE0F0CE76@hpd530> <006b01cdfe26$28bf9930$7a3ecb90$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CFCC43742712A4-2734-3C65F@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Burt had me sneak his books over the border in our rig going to MOSPORT.. I need to remind him of that....... Uncle Jack and I would have a ton of stories during our tenure of 'SENIOR TOURS', but a lot of it might only be funny to us. I suggest that an outline be made of the proposed book and see where it goes. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: 'Bill Tobin' ; 'Randall' Cc: 'FoTTriumph' Sent: Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Speaking of Burt.......... He must have a warehouse where he stores his goods before turning to cash............I could relate a few tales for a bunch of laughs if you guys go ahead with this, but would have to change the names to protect the guilty! I'm not sure of the statute of limitations in some states! russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:32 AM To: Randall Cc: 'FoTTriumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Books Amen Randall, I have a couple dozen books autographed by the authors. One of my treasures is a ski racing book signed by Billy Kidd at Steamboat Springs in 1985. What was the hot computer setup in those days? Michael Argetsinger signed his Walt Hansgen book for me (and his others) at Watkins Glen over the last few years. Great memories. Throw in Kas's books, and Carroll Smith's also. Then, of course, there's B S Levy! (Well named!) ((I like Burt)) All this computer stuff is nice, but give me a book any day. Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FoTTriumph'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 > years ago that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge > tape, 8" > floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some > of my DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable > either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty > sure my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't > count that :) > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Jan 29 07:50:15 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:50:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> On 1/28/2013 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: >> Why do it on dead trees? > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > Amen to that. I still have my old chemistry textbook that is still a pretty good reference, after more than forty years. I've lost books I've written on the computer (and, yeah, shame on me for not doing regular backups), but I've managed to hold on to the hard print books I've collected over the years (apart from the ones stored in a guy's barn when the roof blew off and the rain and snow turned them into blocks of paper). But, then, I'm just an English major who likes the look and feel of a real book in my hands. There's something solid and reliable about a book one can pick up and hold in one's hands. Dead trees? I would guess that, in aggregate, copiers today use much more paper for much less worthy purposes than do books. Hell, this is a group that goes bug nuts at the suggestion to enable rules to convert to fuel injection, or renewable fuels, but electronic books are preferable? Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 08:18:40 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:18:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube In-Reply-To: <8F3EDDE103EE4F428660E98A6AF5F57A@your89d26e0447> References: <8F3EDDE103EE4F428660E98A6AF5F57A@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <229CDF52-CB8B-49D2-BD74-F27CAE021629@yahoo.com> Great post Greg. These are the posts I like to see. Very thorough and very helpful! I learned something new today! Ty TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "Greg Solow" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:34 PMgh > Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > > flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to > use based on the material your top compression rings > are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest > finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly > filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest > grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their > catalogue. We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive > drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the > regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts > in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). > We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid > and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY > color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. The > auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and > debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder > & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. > We like it much better than "washing with soap and > water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught > in auto shop class and in vintage text books. > > Greg Solow > The Engine Room > Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, CA 95060 > 831 429-1800 > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > From : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] > Sent : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM > To : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > I would recommend taking a look at the following > site... No personal > involvement here it's just that I have read most of > their info which is > good. Flex Hones come in various sizes in the > cylinder bore range by 1/4 > and 1/2 inch increments. You do not need an exact > size but should use the > next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the > same as a size offered. > They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of > mineral spirits and > automatic transmission fluid. I always use two grits > and normally start > with a 120 and then finish with a 240. > > http://www.enginehones.com/ > Steve Yott > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > FoT > I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've > used once and on the > second time round > It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. > Since they are made to a > specific bore size > their service life has to be limited but how limited ? > Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to > use while running a > hone. > Thanks as always, > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jan 29 08:31:46 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Flex hone life span & lube In-Reply-To: <229CDF52-CB8B-49D2-BD74-F27CAE021629@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <640904193.396524.1359473506476.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I second that ! jg ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com To: "Greg Solow" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:18:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Re: B Flex hone life span & lube Great post Greg. B These are the posts I like to see. Very thorough and very helpful! B I learned something new today! Ty TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "Greg Solow" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:34 PMgh > Subject: RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > > flexhone has specific recommendations for the grit to > use based on the material your top compression rings > are faced with. Cast irom ring call for the coursest > finish, chromed rings use a finer grit and moly > filled or plasma sprayed rings call for the finest > grit. I believe the exact grits are noted in their > catalogue. B We have always honed the cylinders with a 1/2" drive > drill with plenty of "stoddard solvent" that is the > regular petroleum based solvent used to clean parts > in a solvent tank (not a "hot tank" or "carb dip"). > We then wipe the cylinder down with auto trans fluid > and a white towel and paper towels until NO MORE GREY > color comes comes off of the cylinder walls. B The > auto trans fluid is very good at lifting grit and > debris out of the pores of the metal of the cylinder > & at the same time prevents the walls from rusting. > We like it much better than "washing with soap and > water and a brush" which is the old stand-by taught > in auto shop class and in vintage text books. > > Greg Solow > The Engine Room > Sports Car Specialists > Santa Cruz, CA 95060 > 831 429-1800 > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > From B B : Steve Yott[mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com] > Sent B B : 1/28/2013 10:14:03 AM > To B B B : toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Cc B B B : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Flex hone life span & lube > > I would recommend taking a look at the following > site... No personal > involvement here it's just that I have read most of > their info which is > good. B Flex Hones come in various sizes in the > cylinder bore range by 1/4 > and 1/2 inch increments. B You do not need an exact > size but should use the > next oversize if you are honing a bore that is the > same as a size offered. > They recommend Flex Hone oil but I use a 50/50 mix of > mineral spirits and > automatic transmission fluid. B I always use two grits > and normally start > with a 120 and then finish with a 240. > > http://www.enginehones.com/ > Steve Yott > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > FoT > I'm just inquiring about flex hones. I have one I've > used once and on the > second time round > It doesn't seem to cut the way it did last time. > Since they are made to a > specific bore size > their service life has to be limited but how limited ? > Also, what is everybody favorite cutting solution to > use while running a > hone. > Thanks as always, > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: B http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: B http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jan 29 08:52:57 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:52:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> References: , <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> Message-ID: So write/edit the book (someone has to do that in the end) for on-line usage or a disc and the individual can read on screen, download or print as he prefers. This could solve all the COSTS portion of a study. I treasure my books and have collections of everything some writers have written. I'd mention authors but do not want to start a never ending thread of comments. I now date the front page with the time of the re-read and allow three years to elapse in most cases, then read the entire collection in order. So throw out that junk in the garage and put in books, they will never argue, and will always give the same opinion no mater how much coffee or beer you spill on them, and they will help with the insulation in the garage so you can work longer in the winter. In the worst cases you can use them to cook up the brats and then have space for a new choice. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:50:15 -0700 > From: mdporter at dfn.com > To: TR3driver at ca.rr.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Books > > On 1/28/2013 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: > >> Why do it on dead trees? > > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > > > > > Amen to that. I still have my old chemistry textbook that is still a > pretty good reference, after more than forty years. I've lost books > I've written on the computer (and, yeah, shame on me for not doing > regular backups), but I've managed to hold on to the hard print books > I've collected over the years (apart from the ones stored in a guy's > barn when the roof blew off and the rain and snow turned them into > blocks of paper). But, then, I'm just an English major who likes the > look and feel of a real book in my hands. There's something solid and > reliable about a book one can pick up and hold in one's hands. > > Dead trees? I would guess that, in aggregate, copiers today use much > more paper for much less worthy purposes than do books. Hell, this is a > group that goes bug nuts at the suggestion to enable rules to convert to > fuel injection, or renewable fuels, but electronic books are preferable? > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jan 29 09:04:55 2013 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Books In-Reply-To: <5107E1A7.8040503@dfn.com> Message-ID: <635253457.462947.1359475495597.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yeah, and if you stack your books or place your book shelves on the right wall, they act as good insulation. And, if you place them like like my sweetie does, pretty soon you don't need curtains or windows even. Just kidding, it's really not that bad yet. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: "Randall" Cc: "FoTTriumph" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:50:15 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Books On 1/28/2013 10:41 PM, Randall wrote: >> Why do it on dead trees? > I can't tell you how much computer media I have from just 20 or 30 years ago > that is totally unreadable today. Zip drives, cartridge tape, 8" floppies, > 5.25" floppies, hell even 3.5" floppies are a thing of the past. Some of my > DVD backups from just a few years ago are no longer readable either. > > But I can still read books printed 40, 50 even 90 years ago. (Pretty sure > my 1872 book on chemical technology is a reprint, so I won't count that :) > > Amen to that. I still have my old chemistry textbook that is still a pretty good reference, after more than forty years. I've lost books I've written on the computer (and, yeah, shame on me for not doing regular backups), but I've managed to hold on to the hard print books I've collected over the years (apart from the ones stored in a guy's barn when the roof blew off and the rain and snow turned them into blocks of paper). But, then, I'm just an English major who likes the look and feel of a real book in my hands. There's something solid and reliable about a book one can pick up and hold in one's hands. Dead trees? I would guess that, in aggregate, copiers today use much more paper for much less worthy purposes than do books. Hell, this is a group that goes bug nuts at the suggestion to enable rules to convert to fuel injection, or renewable fuels, but electronic books are preferable? Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jan 29 09:07:11 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:07:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <1359421112.83915.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1359421112.83915.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55E8BA775EB0461CB3692F81A5E5A993@gdhs.local> Hey Bobby....I heard yesterday that SVRA is putting on a ract at the Austin track with vintage and TransAm cars..... John H. 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BW ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 4:31:50 PM Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking. It seems that Sebring is usually mentioned as the endurance testing grounds for Triumphs (at least here in the U.S)... lots of action there with a few different TR models. I am aware of some attempts by the factory teams to complete the 24 hours of LeMans. (early years) Anyway, anyone have any insight as to who and what car might hold the (Triumph) record for most distance covered in a competition event? Sebring, Daytona, LeMans, Lemons? I know some of our own FoT guys did well in the late 50's at Sebring...I remember hearing of a guy driving a TR3 for over 11 hours in that event (There are some great photos of this group on our own FoT website) This is just for fun ....Remember, It gets really cold here in Chicago and I need an interesting FoT topic. Whats the longest you have driven a Triumph in competition? Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jan 29 09:47:46 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:47:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rod ends Message-ID: <6B47A864-CAC2-4AFE-8D05-9E338B2024BE@me.com> I'm tightening up the GT6 suspension, and shopping for rod ends. Historically I have just ordered from Pegasus, gotten the better quality alloy rod ends. This time I looked at the price and was a little stunned - $41 for a 7/16" male rod end. Problem is, I can't tell what Aurora model these are - are they AM, PRM, or something else. If AM, I can find these for $26 elsewhere. Anybody know, or have any recommendations for manufacturers, etc? These are for the trailing/locating rods for the lower inverted a-arm. From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Jan 29 14:02:09 2013 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:02:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] flex hone. Message-ID: I forgot to mention, it is important to obtain a final cross-hatch pattern of about 30 degrees from horizontal with both the up and down strokes. I get this by using a 1/2" drive electric drill.the rotates at a fairly low rpm. If you have a fixed speed drill, you canhit the trigger "on while pulling the drill up through the bore and off while pushing it down and get a rythm going to give the correct pattern. This has never failed to give a good ring seal and easy break in. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: [CWE] Cometic Multi Layer Head Gaskets TR3-4 > This topic comes up every so often, but I don't think anything definitive > ever comes of it. > > I just called Cometic to see what can be done about a good multi-layer TR4 > head gasket for us racers. The current TR4 Cometic gasket is not a > multi-layer gasket, but rather it is a composite with rolled over fire > rings (still old technology and they can only can as a round fire ring). > They list this as for an 88 mm bore, but I don't think that it would work > with an 87 mm bore with the intake valve unshrouded. Others on FOT have > had them do a custom 89 mm bore gasket, but it was not unshrouded (may > work with an unshrouded 87 mm bore???). > > Cometic wants $3-4000 to tool up for a MLS gasket. I did not go any > further than that with them. I don't know if that means enough such > gaskets would need to be sold to cover the tooling cost??? > > I was wondering if there was enough demand out there for a multi-layer > gasket. If we could order 40 or 50 of them it may be worth them tooling > up for it. What say you? Joe(B) > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51082165c013021651600st04duc > > _______________________________________________ > Cwe mailing list > Cwe at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/cwe/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Jan 29 18:13:20 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:13:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] sponsorship "ad" for Levy's book? Message-ID: <510873B0.5000809@blacksburg.net> Amici, The comments about publishing a book (I vote for paper and would be glad to contribute) come at a serendipitous time. Burt Levy is about to publish his sequel to "The 200MPH Steamroller", and we thought it would be fitting to memorialize Jimmy and Lanky as we did for Uncle Jack. The artwork Joe and I collaborated on to memorialize them is finished and can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ (There's a nice tribute to Lanky in this month's Classic Motorsports, page 14, and Jimmy is noted in the great article about the TR250K on page 81.) So I'm looking for folks interested in contributing to a sponsorship "ad" in Levy's book, in addition to the 4 folks who have already signed on. Pls let me know by 11 FEB if you're interested. If we have critical mass, I'll press on with the effort and keep everyone in the loop. Tnx to Joan DeLap for taking the great photo of three "departing TR4s" and Joe's theme of "Departing Triumphs, Departed Friends". Dennis: I just noticed that I misspelled your name in the artwork. Damn, sorry. I'll fix it tomorrow. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From igofaster at att.net Tue Jan 29 19:05:09 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:05:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR In-Reply-To: <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com> <000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com> <6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud> <8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1359511509.67592.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> yeah! I wanna meet your wife! mine would have said, "Do what? " ...... Bobby ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 8:20:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM", or the basis for a great book. I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 > An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Yes TeriAnn, > I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of > hours. > For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over > 3 > hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at > 5:04 > PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > >> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >> >> TeriAnn >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >> multivintage.com> vintage.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 29 19:34:50 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:34:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR References: <51046118.9070607@gmail.com><000b01cdfc1c$0def41c0$29cdc540$@com><6EF43036C63C45049181EDE195E4DD6A@Bud><8CFCA4B96BEAD0B-1FD4-2041B@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1359511509.67592.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85772BE5ED9F41EDBD23D9392D4F6C55@Bud> I've always had fun wives!(:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > yeah! I wanna meet your wife! mine would have said, "Do what? " > ...... > Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: budscars at comcast.net; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, January 26, 2013 8:20:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > Bud, the first things that come to mind here: "WITNESS PROTECTION > PROGRAM", > or the basis for a great book. > > I traveled the entire USA in a Tr4 jam packed with stuff, and an Army > footlocker on the luggage rack ..My wife and I lived in a tent the entire > time..campground to campground..approx 5 months..Of course this was 1969! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR > > >>I had driven a distance of about 351 km = 219mls in 3H. >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im >> Auftrag von Jason Ostrowski >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 00:20 >> An: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] 24 hours in a TR >> >> Yes TeriAnn, >> I would say that would count, but need distance traveled in how many # of >> hours. >> For all we know mad marx may have traveled the same distance in just over >> 3 >> hours (have you seen his in car videos?) Jason On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at >> 5:04 >> PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >> >>> Does a time distance rally count? Don't forget that Steve Hedke did >>> The Great Race 2003 in a TR3. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: >>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** >>> multivintage.com>> vintage.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Janzen at REcatalyst.com Tue Jan 29 20:29:55 2013 From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:29:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Valve question Message-ID: <85F8C12A-4698-4B7F-B6E1-1343CFEB71BE@REcatalyst.com> well, the engine failed the leak-down test big time, with cylinders ranging from 2% to 46%. Sounds like bad exhaust valves for the worst offenders. I've been running stock valves - am thinking that now may be a good time to upgrade. Any recommendations? Mostly I'm just looking for better quality, not larger. From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 22:24:34 2013 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:24:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Highest Elevation Raced in a Triumph References: <057BD9EC-A865-494C-8F1E-3817BD08211F@esri.com> Message-ID: > Folks- > I have read some mentions of Kas and Pikes Peak. Some of the local RMVR cars race up to the top of Pikes Peak (my neighbor races his Cuda up to the top every year and won first in class last year). What I haven't been able to tell is if a Triumph has made this climb, and wonder just how "high" Triumphs have raced around the world. > > At one point, I was thinking of setting up a second car for Pikes Peak. That second car is in the garage awaiting further instruction. I am now hearing that they are raising the entry fees to $1000s to keep the little guys out. > > It made me wonder who has raced up this mountain or at other high altitude events in a Triumph. Could be yet another story for the "book". I see the Peak every day and wonder. > > Thanks. > > Ty > > TR4 #413 From rjohns at woh.rr.com Wed Jan 30 14:59:02 2013 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] High Altitude racing Message-ID: <51414C75B7EA404D89008946D3A48D9B@Bucktailus> Hi guys, Tyler wonders who has raced a Triumph at high altitude? I will offer this submission. In the fall of 1956 I was racing what ever SCCA was running that I could reach. A hill climb came up to be run at Los Alamos. I went up on Saturday from Roswell, where I was stationed, and spent the afternoon tuning for the altitude. Come Sunday morning, I lined up and went off. I came back down after the run to line up again, for another try. The starter came over and said, Your time is some much better than others, why take another run, wait and see what the later times are. It ended up that I was second fastest run of the day. The only car faster was a 120 or 140 Jaguar from Los Alamos. There was a C3 or C4 Cunningham there, but he was way too rich. From memory,( that is a long time ago) Los Alamos is 10,00 feet and tuning for that altitude made the big difference. Robert Johns From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Jan 30 16:58:18 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] High Altitude racing In-Reply-To: <51414C75B7EA404D89008946D3A48D9B@Bucktailus> References: <51414C75B7EA404D89008946D3A48D9B@Bucktailus> Message-ID: <38810828-D319-4867-8015-5ACE63BD466A@comcast.net> In theory if you're running a constant depression carb like a ZS then altitude should not make a difference since the less dense air should pull less fuel. In practice many cars that have come from lower altitudes have found they run too rich at Colorado altitudes (5280 ft.) and above. Usually leaning the mixture helps. If you run Weber carbs or something similar then you have to do correct jets and venturies to get it right. Yes it makes a big difference since we have about 5psi less air pressure (inches of mercury) than at sea level. So a supercharger (with 5 psi of boost) in Denver would just about make up for how my TR6 ran at Galveston TX, or Jekyll Island where I was in heaven with the kick in the pants the accelerator gave me at those sea level venues. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Robert Johns wrote: > but he was way too rich. From memory,( > that is a long time ago) Los Alamos is 10,00 feet and tuning for that > altitude made the big difference. From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 31 08:47:37 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:47:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cometic Gaskets Message-ID: There has been some discussion off line about using a cometic 91mm composite gasket on a TR4. Can it be done? what mods required etc. I believe there are some list members that have been down that path. I am tossing this out there for your expertise. I have purchased one but have not installed it yet so I don't want to give bad info. What say ye? Thanks, Marty From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Jan 31 09:20:06 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] WTB: Cheap TR6 wheels Message-ID: <001101cdffce$d5dda130$8198e390$@aero> Posting for a friend: He is looking for a cheap set of straight, usable steel tr6 wheels? Do not want or need trim rings nor center caps, just the rims for autocross use. He will also consider ugly alloys.. In Texas. If you can help contact Dave dave at beanitos.com Thanks! From barry at penybryn.ca Thu Jan 31 12:45:00 2013 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:45:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Message-ID: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf Barry. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 15:33:36 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:33:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting In-Reply-To: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> References: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing A question: For a TR-6 [and probly all the fours], what is the "Makeup air line" -- that is, how does fresh air get into one of our crankcases? On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the > significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the > archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be > very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to > this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional > Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance > Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: > http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jan 31 15:41:56 2013 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1208684921.492310.1359672116720.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I already use myB exhaust as a vacuum source plumbed through the seperator/catch tank and currently in the process of sealing the system starting with a threaded cap on my valve cover and minor mods to seal my dipstick so I can maximize the scavenging effect of the exhaust. I have no plans to allow fresh air in if I can help it. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: "Barry Munson" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:33:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Thanks for sharing A question: For a TR-6 [and probly all the fours], what is the "Makeup air line" -- that is, how does fresh air get into one of our crankcases? On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the > significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the > archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be > very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to > this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional > Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance > Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: > http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 31 16:03:33 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 00:03:33 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting In-Reply-To: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> References: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Message-ID: <000701ce0007$32ca8fb0$985faf10$@com> I destroyed 3 valves in short time. Then I made my own valve design which seem to last. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr p-IiCg/s983/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk ULsBvQ/s983/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Barry Munson Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2013 20:45 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf Barry. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu Jan 31 19:09:40 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:09:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cometic Gaskets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510B23E4.3010100@blacksburg.net> On 1/31/2013 10:47 AM, marty sukey wrote: > There has been some discussion off line about using a cometic 91mm composite > gasket on a TR4. Can it be done? what mods required etc. I believe there are > some list members that have been down that path. I am tossing this out there > for your expertise. I have purchased one but have not installed it yet so I > don't want to give bad info. What say ye? > > Thanks, > Marty > ________ > Marty, I have one and will never use anything else. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Jan 31 19:59:31 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 02:59:31 GMT Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Message-ID: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> My Honda S2000 has the dual catch can system with a PVC valve. After reading this i may try removing the PVC valve. My TR3 has a dry sump and thus has lots of crankcase ventilation, though I have not checked how much vacuum it pulls. I should data log it sometime. I think the vacuum break is set at 10 inches of vacuum, which is the lowest setting. Figured with too much vacuum it would just suck more in through everywhere else. Tractor engines have a lot of places for leaks. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:45:00 -0700 Amici - FYI - Because I am at this stage in the TR3's preparation and the significant amount of discussion (based on the content contained in the archives), I would like to pass on some information that I have found to be very useful in trying to completely understand and then apply solutions to this issue. The article is entitled "The CVV Bible - Why a Functional Crankcase Ventilation System Matters to You and Your High Performance Engine" and was written by Mikah Barnett. The link is: http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf Barry. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Jan 31 21:55:42 2013 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:55:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] WTB: Cheap TR6 wheels Message-ID: <13695.2717eeee.3e3ca4ce@aol.com> In a message dated 1/31/2013 11:21:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, list at mackenzie.aero writes: just the rims for autocross use. hmmm....I wouldn't do that with original TR6 steel wheels - particularly if he is going to use R-compound tires - he will eventually tear the centers out of the wheels - but that will probably be somewhat less ...ah...dramatic...or exciting in an autocross than it is in a road race. Cheers, Jack Mc