From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 1 00:31:37 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:31:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> How to test a PVC valve? After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: - I pull the hose from the valve cover - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) - and suck back On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. The dimensions aren't important. You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring for valve operating. Installed: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg Cheers Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 1 01:37:09 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 03:37:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] WTB: Cheap TR6 wheels In-Reply-To: <13695.2717eeee.3e3ca4ce@aol.com> References: <13695.2717eeee.3e3ca4ce@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/31/2013 11:21:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > list at mackenzie.aero writes: > > just the rims for autocross > use. > > > hmmm....I wouldn't do that with original TR6 steel wheels - particularly > if he is going to use R-compound tires - he will eventually tear the centers > out of the wheels - but that will probably be somewhat less > ...ah...dramatic...or exciting in an autocross than it is in a road race. Plus you can get brand new steel rims from Diamond wheels for pretty cheap money. Or, as a lot of folks seem to be doing, going with VTO Performance rims or some of the other lower-cost aluminum rims out there. > Cheers, > Jack Mc regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Feb 1 02:55:10 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 04:55:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> Message-ID: <8CFCE795B312549-8D8-5D340@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> OEM REPLACEMENT PVC VALVE is much better than aftermarket like MOROSO branded valve. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- a PVC valve?After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run:- I pull the hose from the valve cover- blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve)- and suck backOn sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If thereis gentle blow by the valve is gone.My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. Thedimensions aren't important.You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern.The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring forvalve operating.Installed:https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4S I/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpgCheersChris________________ _______________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDon ate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/archiveForums: http://www.team.net/forumsUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Feb 1 05:26:38 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:26:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> Message-ID: Are we talking about PVC or PCV? Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > How to test a PVC valve? > > After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: > > - I pull the hose from the valve cover > - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) > - and suck back > > On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If there > is gentle blow by the valve is gone. > > My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. The > dimensions aren't important. > You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. > > The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring for > valve operating. > > Installed: > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH > 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg > > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 1 05:30:43 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 13:30:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> Message-ID: <000901ce0077$f5934260$e0b9c720$@com> I've just taken over the phrase. I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the crankcase. No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing Are we talking about PVC or PCV? Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > How to test a PVC valve? > > After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: > > - I pull the hose from the valve cover > - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) > - and suck back > > On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If > there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. > > My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. > The dimensions aren't important. > You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. > > The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring > for valve operating. > > Installed: > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI > /GcSEH > 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg > > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 1 05:47:52 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:47:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting References: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Message-ID: Interesting read, thanks for sharing. Great info for the hot rod street car crowd. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Munson" Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting > http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Feb 1 06:17:45 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:17:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <000901ce0077$f5934260$e0b9c720$@com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> <000901ce0077$f5934260$e0b9c720$@com> Message-ID: <19E0A7F2-AA29-473E-8DF5-1B5373620DCF@aol.com> Just joking. PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing PCV. Particle control valve. Just having fun with. It is a great read Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I've just taken over the phrase. > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > crankcase. > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > An: MadMarx > Cc: > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > >> How to test a PVC valve? >> >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: >> >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >> - and suck back >> >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >> >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >> The dimensions aren't important. >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >> >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >> for valve operating. >> >> Installed: >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >> /GcSEH >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >> >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Feb 1 06:49:26 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 05:49:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <19E0A7F2-AA29-473E-8DF5-1B5373620DCF@aol.com> Message-ID: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Chris: I do believe you mean: PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock wrote: From: Christopher Bock Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing To: "MadMarx" Cc: "" Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM Just joking. PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing PCV. Particle control valve. Just having fun with. It is a great read Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I've just taken over the phrase. > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > crankcase. > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > An: MadMarx > Cc: > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > >> How to test a PVC valve? >> >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: >> >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >> - and suck back >> >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >> >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >> The dimensions aren't important. >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >> >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >> for valve operating. >> >> Installed: >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >> /GcSEH >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >> >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 1 06:54:30 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:54:30 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <19E0A7F2-AA29-473E-8DF5-1B5373620DCF@aol.com> <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301ce0083$a9a37260$fcea5720$@com> Regardless of the name, it does work. Ive measured the pressure value with a gauge that read positive and negative values. I see very often negative values and very tiny positive values. Cheers Chris Von: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 14:49 An: MadMarx; Christopher Bock Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing Chris: I do believe you mean: PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock < SeaCubeCo at aol.com> wrote: From: Christopher Bock < SeaCubeCo at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing To: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com> Cc: "< fot at autox.team.net>" < fot at autox.team.net> Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM Just joking. PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing PCV. Particle control valve. Just having fun with. It is a great read Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" > wrote: > I've just taken over the phrase. > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > crankcase. > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com ] > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > An: MadMarx > Cc: > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" > wrote: > >> How to test a PVC valve? >> >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: >> >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >> - and suck back >> >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >> >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >> The dimensions aren't important. >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >> >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >> for valve operating. >> >> Installed: >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >> /GcSEH >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >> >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Feb 1 07:06:11 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39E76803-7782-4AFD-82A3-0D8EC8272041@aol.com> I think positive crankcase ventilation is the system and partial control valve is a tool in that process Terminology can be off but getting it to work is important. Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:49 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > Chris: I do believe you mean: > PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation > > --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock wrote: > > From: Christopher Bock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > To: "MadMarx" > Cc: "" > Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM > > Just joking. > > PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing > > PCV. Particle control valve. > > Just having fun with. > > It is a great read > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > > > I've just taken over the phrase. > > > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > > crankcase. > > > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----UrsprC > Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] > > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > > An: MadMarx > > Cc: > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > > > Chris > > > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > > > >> How to test a PVC valve? > >> > >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: > >> > >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover > >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) > >> - and suck back > >> > >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If > >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. > >> > >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. > >> The dimensions aren't important. > >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. > >> > >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring > >> for valve operating. > >> > >> Installed: > >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI > >> /GcSEH > >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers > >> Chris > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Feb 1 08:20:59 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:20:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking" I was working the race last weekend as a flagger. They had this TR8 in the Heritage Racer section of the infield, next to a nice Lotus powered Ford Cortina http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_3.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_1.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_2.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusCortina.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusPart.jpg Tough work, but someone has to do it; http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/NOSGirls.jpg mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri Feb 1 08:21:36 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:21:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <39E76803-7782-4AFD-82A3-0D8EC8272041@aol.com> References: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <39E76803-7782-4AFD-82A3-0D8EC8272041@aol.com> Message-ID: <1DFB97EB-A156-4AB4-994A-1393F138420E@virgin.net> Hi I haven't found the need for vacuuming and in fact I think it introduces another element of unreliability into the manifold, which I cannot tolerate when rallying as the opportunities to repair are so limited 'in the field/forests'. Perhaps this is something just for track cars which get short bursts of uses At constant high revs ?? I can't see any such system holding out with constant use in an endurance environment where revs vary between idle and maximum regularly. Also, if you are running in wet conditions or extremes of temperature I would expect a greater failure rate. Again, this is the world of rallying. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 1 Feb 2013, at 14:06, Christopher Bock wrote: > I think positive crankcase ventilation is the system and partial control > valve is a tool in that process > > Terminology can be off but getting it to work is important. > > Chris > > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:49 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > >> >> Chris: I do believe you mean: >> PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation >> >> --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock wrote: >> >> From: Christopher Bock >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing >> To: "MadMarx" >> Cc: "" >> Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM >> >> Just joking. >> >> PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing >> >> PCV. Particle control valve. >> >> Just having fun with. >> >> It is a great read >> Chris >> >> On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: >> >>> I've just taken over the phrase. >>> >>> I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the >>> crankcase. >>> >>> No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >>> >>> -----UrsprC>> Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 >>> An: MadMarx >>> Cc: >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing >>> >>> Are we talking about PVC or PCV? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: >>> >>>> How to test a PVC valve? >>>> >>>> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each > run: >>>> >>>> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >>>> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >>>> - and suck back >>>> >>>> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >>>> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >>>> >>>> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >>>> The dimensions aren't important. >>>> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >>>> >>>> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >>>> for valve operating. >>>> >>>> Installed: >>>> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >>>> /GcSEH >>>> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Chris >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From sjanzen at me.com Fri Feb 1 09:32:02 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:32:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D7B857A-49DF-4995-93C8-53063A9DB7D5@me.com> wow, I'm going to have to go to this someday to see all the cars - this is much more of a spectacle than the typical vintage event I go to. On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:20 AM, George Harmuth wrote: "The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking" I was working the race last weekend as a flagger. They had this TR8 in the Heritage Racer section of the infield, next to a nice Lotus powered Ford Cortina http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_3.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_1.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_2.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusCortina.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusPart.jpg Tough work, but someone has to do it; http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/NOSGirls.jpg mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Feb 1 10:02:44 2013 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:02:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tough work, but someone has to do it; Nice umbrellas!! On 2/1/13 9:20 AM, "George Harmuth" wrote: Tough work, but someone has to do it; John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3442561364_57204686] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Feb 1 10:04:18 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:04:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 HOURS OF DAYTONA PICTURES......now KASTNER CUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <9D7B857A-49DF-4995-93C8-53063A9DB7D5@me.com> References: <9D7B857A-49DF-4995-93C8-53063A9DB7D5@me.com> Message-ID: <8CFCEB54E6BBB6A-231C-650EC@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> A Group 44 prepared TR8 will likely be with us at the KASTNER CUP, not to mention the TR250K, a PLN tribute TR6, SCCA Championship cars, TRIUMPH SPECIALS, newly restored WET SLEEVE TRs and much, much more. Yesterday, I got a call from Colorado. The RMVR guys are planning to come....those guys usually stick close to the mountains. The Kastner Cup is not the 24 HOURS OF DAYTONA, but something very special is going on here. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: George Harmuth Cc: fot Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 10:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 wow, I'm going to have to go to this someday to see all the cars - this is much more of a spectacle than the typical vintage event I go to. On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:20 AM, George Harmuth wrote: "The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking" I was working the race last weekend as a flagger. They had this TR8 in the Heritage Racer section of the infield, next to a nice Lotus powered Ford Cortina http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Gro up44_3.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Gro up44_1.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Gro up44_2.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Lot usCortina.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Lot usPart.jpg Tough work, but someone has to do it; http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/NOS Girls.jpg mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Feb 1 14:41:59 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:41:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Umbrella holders In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Somewhere there is a picture floating around of me holding an umbrella over Jeff Snook last time FOT was at Road America. Jeff, I'd have to say you got the short end of the stick on that one! From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 1 15:20:13 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:20:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Umbrella holders Message-ID: <14ec7.4f926d39.3e3d999d@aol.com> In a message dated 02/01/2013 3:42:10 PM Central Standard Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > Somewhere there is a picture floating around of me holding an umbrella > over > Jeff Snook last time FOT was at Road America. Jeff, I'd have to say you > got > the short end of the stick on that one! > I remember that. It was neither sunny nor raining. Folks were just throwing stuff at Snook. I threw a roll of duct tape. Bill (Damdinger) From horizonracing at msn.com Sat Feb 2 09:30:39 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 08:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR 6 cyl R/rockers Message-ID: Good Morning, I have a lighty used set of Rollers for sale. They were used 2-3 events on the K car. No adjusters. $200 or BO Please contact me off list. Thank youTony From horizonracing at msn.com Sat Feb 2 10:07:50 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 09:07:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] R/Rockers SOLD Thx Message-ID: From joeg at neb.rr.com Sat Feb 2 12:31:24 2013 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:31:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01ce017b$e3483b10$a9d8b130$@rr.com> FOT, I find myself in need of wheels for a couple Spitfire vintage racers. Long story short - a "friend" who I was sub-letting some storage space from stopped paying his bill, and everything in the space was sold at auction. I lost three sets of polished aluminum dish wheels, two sets of Cosmic alloys, one set of really cool Compomotive alloys, and a couple sets of stock Spitfire wheels. That's not to mention the two Spitfires (one badly wrecked, one very restorable). Eh, life goes on... Anyway - if you have any Spitfire / GT6 wheels suitable for use on a race car that you are not using, please let me know what you need for them. I won't be able to replace everything I lost, but I need three sets of wheels pretty badly if I'm going to make the Kastner Cup in September. Joe Guinan Fremont, Nebraska joeg at neb.rr.com or Spitfirejoe at email.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Feb 3 09:18:49 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 08:18:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Chassis number Message-ID: <1359908329.30833.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: Does the small plate on the chassis cross member, under the front of the engine on a TR2-4 donate something? Is this a chassis #, a batch # from the chassis manufacturer? Who made the chassis for the TR2-4 for Triumph? Thanks in advance. -Ed- From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Feb 3 13:11:49 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 15:11:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky Message-ID: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Amici, It seems that Lanky has gotten a lot of well-deserved coverage lately (see also the Oct-Nov VTR magazine) but Jimmy hasn't been "in the lime light". In an effort to generate more interest in sponsoring an "ad" memorializing them in Levy's next book, I asked Kas to give me a write up about Jimmy. Here's Kas' note: Mike Cook is doing a very good memorial article of Jimmy for the VTR magazine and it will probably bet better than anything I can give you as it will all be repeats. But try this on: James Anthony Coan came to me in the middle of 1965 as a brash, aggressive young guy who said he wanted to work at a challenging job. I gave him the opportunity with a 18" wide broom. Broom engineering lasted a couple weeks and then it was obvious he really had some interest in what we were doing and the complication of running a department that was working all over the country with a minimum of assistance from the mother factory. With his basic mechanical knowledge gained working at a dealership, Jim put his head into helping build a series of cars for the 1966 Sebring 12 hour event. This was his first test of showing devotion to his job. The hours spent in that effort were quite incredible. From this rather harsh test of abilities, I then heaped work on him. Jimmy responded at the top of the page every time. It was not the effort as a mechanic that I found and later treasured, but the devotion to his job and interest in learning everything he could about every aspect of working in a technical arena with close inspection all the time from outside sources. Jim's response to more and more detailed assignments gave the answers that I wanted and were needed to further the competition departments goals of assisting private owners. When I resigned from British Leyland it was a great pleasure to recommend Jimmy Coan as my replacement. Jimmy was my loyal and very good friend. Our friendship and trust continued long after our Triumph days and through the very last hours of his life. In case you haven't seen the artwork, here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well short of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls send me a note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list of pledges. tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 13:27:36 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:27:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <2424B429-80EE-4AA3-9B7E-30E17E01795E@bnj.com> Hi Jim. I'll kick in a hundred. Your email address will work for a paypal payment. Is that OK with you? On Feb 3, 2013, at 10:11 AM, "J.C. Hassall" wrote: > Amici, > > It seems that Lanky has gotten a lot of well-deserved coverage lately (see also the Oct-Nov VTR magazine) but Jimmy hasn't been "in the lime light". In an effort to generate more interest in sponsoring an "ad" memorializing them in Levy's next book, I asked Kas to give me a write up about Jimmy. Here's Kas' note: > > Mike Cook is doing a very good memorial article of Jimmy for the VTR magazine and it will probably bet better than anything I can give you as it will all be repeats. But try this on: > > James Anthony Coan came to me in the middle of 1965 as a brash, aggressive young guy who said he wanted to work at a challenging job. I gave him the opportunity with a 18" wide broom. Broom engineering lasted a couple weeks and then it was obvious he really had some interest in what we were doing and the complication of running a department that was working all over the country with a minimum of assistance from the mother factory. > > With his basic mechanical knowledge gained working at a dealership, Jim put his head into helping build a series of cars for the 1966 Sebring 12 hour event. This was his first test of showing devotion to his job. The hours spent in that effort were quite incredible. From this rather harsh test of abilities, I then heaped work on him. Jimmy responded at the top of the page every time. > > It was not the effort as a mechanic that I found and later treasured, but the devotion to his job and interest in learning everything he could about every aspect of working in a technical arena with close inspection all the time from outside sources. Jim's response to more and more detailed assignments gave the answers that I wanted and were needed to further the competition departments goals of assisting private owners. When I resigned from British Leyland it was a great pleasure to recommend Jimmy Coan as my replacement. Jimmy was my loyal and very good friend. Our friendship and trust continued long after our Triumph days and through the very last hours of his life. > > > In case you haven't seen the artwork, here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ > > I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well short of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls send me a note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list of pledges. > > tnx > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Feb 3 14:31:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <510ED714.5010506@bradakis.com> > I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well > short of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls > send me a note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list > of pledges. > > tnx > > jim > The company I am currently working with takes their own sweet time paying on the invoices I send. If I get a decent check before the 11th, I'll kick in a few bucks. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 3 15:45:18 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:45:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: Please list a mailing address so I can send a check. Maybe some other folks need it also. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 15:11:49 -0500 > From: jhassall at blacksburg.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky > > Amici, > > It seems that Lanky has gotten a lot of well-deserved coverage lately > (see also the Oct-Nov VTR magazine) but Jimmy hasn't been "in the lime > light". In an effort to generate more interest in sponsoring an "ad" > memorializing them in Levy's next book, I asked Kas to give me a write > up about Jimmy. Here's Kas' note: > > Mike Cook is doing a very good memorial article of Jimmy for the VTR > magazine and it will probably bet better than anything I can give you as > it will all be repeats. But try this on: > > James Anthony Coan came to me in the middle of 1965 as a brash, > aggressive young guy who said he wanted to work at a challenging job. I > gave him the opportunity with a 18" wide broom. Broom > engineering lasted a couple weeks and then it was obvious he really had > some interest in what we were doing and the complication of running a > department that was working all over the country with a minimum of > assistance from the mother factory. > > With his basic mechanical knowledge gained working at a dealership, Jim > put his head into helping build a series of cars for the 1966 Sebring 12 > hour event. This was his first test of showing devotion to his job. The > hours spent in that effort were quite incredible. From this rather harsh > test of abilities, I then heaped work on him. Jimmy responded at the top > of the page every time. > > It was not the effort as a mechanic that I found and later treasured, > but the devotion to his job and interest in learning everything he could > about every aspect of working in a technical arena with close inspection > all the time from outside sources. Jim's response to more and more > detailed assignments gave the answers that I wanted and were needed to > further the competition departments goals of assisting private owners. > When I resigned from British Leyland it was a great pleasure to > recommend Jimmy Coan as my replacement. Jimmy was my loyal and very > good friend. Our friendship and trust continued long after our Triumph > days and through the very last hours of his life. > > > In case you haven't seen the artwork, here's the link: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ > > I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well short > of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls send me a > note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list of pledges. > > tnx > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Feb 3 18:35:14 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:35:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <510F1052.2010906@blacksburg.net> On 2/3/2013 5:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Please list a mailing address so I can send a check. Maybe some other > folks need it also. > > Never be beaten by equipment Tnx Kas, I appreciate it. My address is J.C. Hassall 103 Airport Rd. Blacksburg VA 24060 Pls provide a return address, so if we don't make critical mass I can return the check. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Feb 3 19:57:03 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:57:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Chassis number In-Reply-To: <20130203223001.E3ORJ.40732.root@cdptpa-web26-z01> Message-ID: <1359946623.17957.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all for all the replies. Revision/batch level makes sense. I have three restorations I am currently working on, a TR3, a TR3A, and a 3B. Each have a number starting with Z, and each model has a higher number after the Z. Whats curious is that even the 3B has the bracket for the fuel shut-off valve, although the valve had stopped being used years earlier. Some bloke at the frame factory kept welding that bracket on, year after year, because some engineer forget to delete it from the drawing, or some supervisor forgot to tell the guy they deleted it That would never happen in a modern Chinese factory. Some comrade gets an extra ration of fish heads and rice for a cost savings idea. :O) Thanks - Ed --- On Sun, 2/3/13, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Chassis number To: "EDWARD BARNARD" Date: Sunday, February 3, 2013, 4:30 PM The Z number notes to a frame design it changes as mods to the frame are made throught the production tom ---- EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group: > Does the small plate on the chassis cross member, under the front of the engine on a TR2-4 donate something? Is this a chassis #, a batch # from the chassis manufacturer? Who made the chassis for the TR2-4 for Triumph? > Thanks in advance. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Feb 4 15:37:05 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:37:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Autoweek article on George Waltman Message-ID: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I saw this this morning on my daily Autoweek email update. Figured the group would enjoy this. A different time for sure. http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130203/GRAND_AM/130209955?utm_source=Racing 20130203&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article4&utm_content=20130203-Rolex- 24,-racing-iron-man-Geroge-Waltman-dies&utm_campaign=awRacing Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From sjanzen at me.com Mon Feb 4 15:43:07 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:43:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Autoweek article on George Waltman In-Reply-To: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Fantastic! On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: I saw this this morning on my daily Autoweek email update. Figured the group would enjoy this. A different time for sure. http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130203/GRAND_AM/130209955?utm_source=Racing 20130203&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article4&utm_content=20130203-Rolex- 24,-racing-iron-man-Geroge-Waltman-dies&utm_campaign=awRacing Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Feb 4 15:49:29 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:49:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Autoweek article on George Waltman In-Reply-To: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Coincidentally, there's a white Morgan listed for sale in the latest SCCA magazine. Says it has significant history, and says the reason for sale is octogenarianism. On Feb 4, 2013 5:37 PM, "Mike Mehl" wrote: > I saw this this morning on my daily Autoweek email update. Figured the > group would enjoy this. A different time for sure. > > > http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130203/GRAND_AM/130209955?utm_source=Racing > > 20130203&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article4&utm_content=20130203-Rolex- > 24,-racing-iron-man-Geroge-Waltman-dies&utm_campaign=awRacing > > Mike Mehl #46 > TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/donmarshall at nefcom.net From rikrock at live.com Mon Feb 4 16:47:02 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Octogenarianism Message-ID: Wow, the Morgan is up for sale. Michael Mulroney was a regular at SCCA regional races at Summit Point with that car. Tow the car to the track on an open trailer behind his pickup. Did it almost always without any help, in spite of his age. Rich Rock From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 17:21:52 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:21:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Octogenarianism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37103361-A53B-457B-941B-63EF194C4B5B@gmail.com> He also sold is GN/Morgan contraption last year -- a 1926 Morgan three wheeler with a GN rear axle to make it into a single seater 4-wheeler. He gave up on the Blackburne V-twin (last time I saw him run it at Road America it was spouting steam like a teakettle) and mounted a Harley shovelhead. Duncan On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > Wow, the Morgan is up for sale. Michael Mulroney was a regular at SCCA > regional races at Summit Point with that car. Tow the car to the track on an > open trailer behind his pickup. Did it almost always without any help, in > spite of his age. > > Rich Rock From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 5 17:20:45 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 16:20:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Great Spitfire photo Message-ID: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> I think you'll like this RB https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/69282_333603943423338_1663745817_ n.jpg From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Feb 5 20:21:57 2013 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 21:21:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001601ce0419$1ec8e960$5c5abc20$@rr.com> Friends, Thanks for the many responses to my inquiry. I've purchased a set of TR7 alloys (thanks to FOT Russ Moore for suggesting TR7 wheels and FOT Kevin Lynch for reminding me to check Craigslist), a set of "new" Magnesium Minilites (thanks to FOT Paul MacDonald for the eBay link), and will soon purchase some Minator Minilite copies (from FOT Scott Barr - who may also have the missing spare wheel for the trailer I use!) and a set of stock steelies for cost of shipping only from FOT member Christopher Bock. The TR7 wheels are off local Craigslist from one of my best friends in our local Brit Car Club. I didn't even know he had them, let alone that he was selling them. Got an offer of some other minilite copies from a North American Spitfire Squadron member - but they were pricey. He may have some other racing parts I may find use for, though. My big question - How worried should I be about cracking the Magnesium wheels? Use them for rain tires only? Thanks FOT! What a (non)-Club! Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:31:24 -0600 From: "Joe Guinan" To: Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: <001b01ce017b$e3483b10$a9d8b130$@rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FOT, I find myself in need of wheels for a couple Spitfire vintage racers. Long story short - a "friend" who I was sub-letting some storage space from stopped paying his bill, and everything in the space was sold at auction. I lost three sets of polished aluminum dish wheels, two sets of Cosmic alloys, one set of really cool Compomotive alloys, and a couple sets of stock Spitfire wheels. That's not to mention the two Spitfires (one badly wrecked, one very restorable). Eh, life goes on... Anyway - if you have any Spitfire / GT6 wheels suitable for use on a race car that you are not using, please let me know what you need for them. I won't be able to replace everything I lost, but I need three sets of wheels pretty badly if I'm going to make the Kastner Cup in September. Joe Guinan Fremont, Nebraska joeg at neb.rr.com or Spitfirejoe at email.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Feb 5 21:23:58 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:23:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> Message-ID: <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a TR6? Thanks, Jim From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 21:59:55 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum firm. Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do not lie and so I am running with 1 degree. What do you think Garmey and Babcock? On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a > TR6? > Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 5 23:22:30 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 06:22:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud>, <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: It depends on how it handles for your style of driving. 2 degrees sounds like way too much. One degree seems about right. When the squat or conerning roll comes in, that negative increases a lot. Thus so does the understeer (that's Mr. Slow). Tire temps are not reliable unless they are taken almost instantly when leaving the last corner. Not with a heat gun either, but must be with a needle probe. With the kind of tires used in this type of racing I don't really think they mean ANYTHING. Get some feel into it. Your ass will tell you when it is good. Unless you have swing axles negative camber is SLOW SLOW SLOW. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 > > Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound > springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum firm. > Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. > Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do not > lie and so I am running with 1 degree. > > What do you think Garmey and Babcock? > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > > > Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a > > TR6? > > Thanks, Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 07:42:04 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:42:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <514F0AFA-8A8B-4851-A226-C16833BFB95A@yahoo.com> With bias ply tires I use 3/4 neg, 1/16 toe in with 600# Springs a 1.5 hollow adjustable sway bar and a Lincoln Locker. I have a slight bit of oversteer. Always run take-off tires from higher level drivers. (thanks Sam) I do use a probe type pyrometer. Car is 2160 to 2200 as raced. >From what I saw last spring Tony doesn't spend enough time on the ground to build much heat into his tires.:-) How much does the TR250K weigh anyway? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > It depends on how it handles for your style of driving. 2 degrees sounds > like way too much. One degree seems about right. When the squat or conerning > roll comes in, that negative increases a lot. Thus so does the understeer > (that's Mr. Slow). Tire temps are not reliable unless they are taken almost > instantly when leaving the last corner. Not with a heat gun either, but must > be with a needle probe. With the kind of tires used in this type of racing I > don't really think they mean ANYTHING. Get some feel into it. Your ass will > tell you when it is good. Unless you have swing axles negative camber is SLOW > SLOW SLOW. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 >> From: triosan at gmail.com >> To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 >> >> Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound >> springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum firm. >> Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. >> Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do not >> lie and so I am running with 1 degree. >> >> What do you think Garmey and Babcock? >> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn > wrote: >> >>> Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a >>> TR6? >>> Thanks, Jim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Feb 6 07:53:53 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:53:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what it takes. See below. Second please. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "FoodDude" Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 To: 'MORDY DUNST' Cc: 'Henry Frye' Subject: RE: website Hi Mordy, After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school (only), I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we determined that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage race events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include participation in other National events across the country this year and next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the Vintage series. We have now: 1975 Tr6 1962 TR4 1963 TR4 1964 Spitfire Racer 1960 TR6 Chump Racer Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another Stag in my future! Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called BeanitosR, the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES to autocross). We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event this month. Cheers, Dave Foreman Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com Cell: 512-576-1933 From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM To: FoodDude Cc: Henry Frye Subject: Re: website Dave> Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few sentances summary. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com Dunroth Farm, Inc Capt. Black's Beef Jerky Capt. Black's Hot Sauce 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT - 8 This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: FoodDude To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: website Hello, The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in Firefox. Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with FOT? Thanks, Dave Foreman Hill Country Triumph Club Triumph Stag Club USA No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Feb 6 08:10:14 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:10:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CFD29333327424-1E4C-3826@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> Of course! Welcome aboard! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: gasket.works To: FOT ; Mark J Bradakis Sent: Wed, Feb 6, 2013 8:59 am Subject: [Fot] Nomination Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what it takes. See below. Second please. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "FoodDude" Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 To: 'MORDY DUNST' Cc: 'Henry Frye' Subject: RE: website Hi Mordy, After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school (only), I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we determined that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage race events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include participation in other National events across the country this year and next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the Vintage series. We have now: 1975 Tr6 1962 TR4 1963 TR4 1964 Spitfire Racer 1960 TR6 Chump Racer Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another Stag in my future! Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called BeanitosR, the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES to autocross). We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event this month. Cheers, Dave Foreman Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com Cell: 512-576-1933 From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM To: FoodDude Cc: Henry Frye Subject: Re: website Dave> Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few sentances summary. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com Dunroth Farm, Inc Capt. Black's Beef Jerky Capt. Black's Hot Sauce 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT - 8 This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: FoodDude To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: website Hello, The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in Firefox. Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with FOT? Thanks, Dave Foreman Hill Country Triumph Club Triumph Stag Club USA No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Feb 6 08:33:41 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 07:33:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <514F0AFA-8A8B-4851-A226-C16833BFB95A@yahoo.com> References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud>, <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , <514F0AFA-8A8B-4851-A226-C16833BFB95A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: The "K" Car Hoosier speedsters450-500 lb rear springs5/8-3/4 ? solid rear bar (the org. with ground flat spot from the sebring wheel failure still there)Camber ? toe..see abovequaife LSDcar weighs 2200 give or take.Car does have it's handling issues. Still has the rubber/poly bushings etc. but it is what is...... > From: fasttrs at yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:42:04 -0600 > To: kaskas at cox.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 > > With bias ply tires I use 3/4 neg, 1/16 toe in with 600# Springs a 1.5 hollow > adjustable sway bar and a Lincoln Locker. I have a slight bit of oversteer. > Always run take-off tires from higher level drivers. (thanks Sam) > I do use a probe type pyrometer. > Car is 2160 to 2200 as raced. > From what I saw last spring Tony doesn't spend enough time on the ground to > build much heat into his tires.:-) > How much does the TR250K weigh anyway? > > Mike > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > It depends on how it handles for your style of driving. 2 degrees sounds > > like way too much. One degree seems about right. When the squat or > conerning > > roll comes in, that negative increases a lot. Thus so does the understeer > > (that's Mr. Slow). Tire temps are not reliable unless they are taken almost > > instantly when leaving the last corner. Not with a heat gun either, but > must > > be with a needle probe. With the kind of tires used in this type of racing > I > > don't really think they mean ANYTHING. Get some feel into it. Your ass > will > > tell you when it is good. Unless you have swing axles negative camber is > SLOW > > SLOW SLOW. > > > > Never be beaten by equipment > >> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 > >> From: triosan at gmail.com > >> To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > >> CC: fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 > >> > >> Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound > >> springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum > firm. > >> Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. > >> Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do > not > >> lie and so I am running with 1 degree. > >> > >> What do you think Garmey and Babcock? > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn > > wrote: > >> > >>> Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a > >>> TR6? > >>> Thanks, Jim > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Feb 6 09:38:21 2013 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 11:38:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chicago British car swap meet Message-ID: <511286FD.9050102@bright.net> Hello List(s). The Chicago swap meet is just around the corner - Feb. 24. This is a good event. If you haven't been to it, it is worth attending. Details can be found at www.britishcarswap.info. If you are a first time attendee, go early. The show hours are supposedly until 3 pm but you will not find anyone there much after 1. We will be in our usual spaces in building 2. If you want me to bring anything, please let me know. (free freight is good). Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From triosan at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 09:43:48 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:43:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Anyone who races a TR6 gets my vote! On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:53 AM, wrote: > Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what > it takes. See below. Second please. > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "FoodDude" > Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 > To: 'MORDY DUNST' > Cc: 'Henry Frye' > Subject: RE: website > > Hi Mordy, > > After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school > (only), > I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a > vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we > determined > that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be > about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a > vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me > from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage > race > events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the > vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the > Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams > practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include > participation in other National events across the country this year and > next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas > World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at > Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then > off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the > Vintage series. > > > > We have now: > > 1975 Tr6 > > 1962 TR4 > > 1963 TR4 > > 1964 Spitfire Racer > > 1960 TR6 Chump Racer > > Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another > Stag in my future! > > > > Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag > Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) > > > > I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called > BeanitosR, > the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES > to autocross). > > > > We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks > considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already > collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at > least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event > this month. > > > > Cheers, > > Dave Foreman > > Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com > > Cell: 512-576-1933 > > > > From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM > To: FoodDude > Cc: Henry Frye > Subject: Re: website > > > > Dave> > > > > Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few > sentances summary. > > > > > > Mordy > > > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > Dunroth Farm, Inc > Capt. Black's Beef Jerky > Capt. Black's Hot Sauce > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT - 8 > This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, > undisclosed > or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in > error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of > it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail > or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank > you > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: FoodDude > > To: gasket.works at gte.net > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM > > Subject: website > > > > Hello, > > The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in > Firefox. > > > > Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed > by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with > FOT? > > > > Thanks, > > Dave Foreman > > Hill Country Triumph Club > > Triumph Stag Club USA > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 10:00:40 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:00:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Anyone that races a TR6 gets my condolences! Welcome !! Mike #28 EP TR6 Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > Anyone who races a TR6 gets my vote! > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:53 AM, From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Feb 6 11:00:55 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:00:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi - 2 degrees negative may work for radials, but that's too much camber for bias tires. Plus, as Kas pointed out, the dynamic camber change on the TR IRS is pretty big... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From atr6racer at hotmail.com Wed Feb 6 11:13:15 2013 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:13:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I cured this problem with an entire re-worked double A-arm rear suspension on my SCCA car. But on my other race TR6's I would actually set my rear camber with a half degree POSITIVE camber to help keep the car from excessive negative camber under power. Sam Halkias On Feb 6, 2013, at 1:03 PM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote: > Hi - 2 degrees negative may work for radials, but that's too much camber for bias tires. Plus, as Kas pointed out, the dynamic camber change on the TR IRS is pretty big... > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Feb 6 11:46:32 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:46:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <06CFDAE1-5783-4DA6-A4F7-33DF7F67D9A3@austin.rr.com> Shame on me for not nominating Dave. He picked up the Lemon's TR6 from me Saturday and told me about the Spitfire so I could pass the info on to another potential racer. Then he decided to buy the Spit too! The TR6 was languishing unused, having completed two Lemons races and Dave will put it to good use. He is taking the CVAR driving school at the end if this month. With him and Robert Mackenzie we will have 4 Spits, 4 TR4's, a GT6, a TR3 and two TR powered Morgans active in TXFoT. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Mike Munson wrote: > Anyone that races a TR6 gets my condolences! > Welcome !! > > Mike > #28 EP TR6 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 6, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" > wrote: > >> Anyone who races a TR6 gets my vote! >> >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:53 AM, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From igofaster at att.net Wed Feb 6 13:08:14 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:08:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1360181294.62357.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> and he's from TEXAS! 2nd! Bobby ________________________________ From: "gasket.works at gte.net" To: FOT ; Mark J Bradakis Sent: Wed, February 6, 2013 8:59:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what it takes. See below. Second please. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "FoodDude" Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 To: 'MORDY DUNST' Cc: 'Henry Frye' Subject: RE: website Hi Mordy, After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school (only), I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we determined that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage race events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include participation in other National events across the country this year and next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the Vintage series. We have now: 1975 Tr6 1962 TR4 1963 TR4 1964 Spitfire Racer 1960 TR6 Chump Racer Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another Stag in my future! Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called BeanitosR, the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES to autocross). We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event this month. Cheers, Dave Foreman Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com Cell: 512-576-1933 From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM To: FoodDude Cc: Henry Frye Subject: Re: website Dave> Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few sentances summary. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com Dunroth Farm, Inc Capt. Black's Beef Jerky Capt. Black's Hot Sauce 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT - 8 This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: FoodDude To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: website Hello, The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in Firefox. Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with FOT? Thanks, Dave Foreman Hill Country Triumph Club Triumph Stag Club USA No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 6 14:17:03 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:17:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> Those of you who know of my passion for cooking will not be surprised to know I added him just because of the 'FoodDude' reference, Triumphs not considered ;-) mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Feb 7 07:56:15 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:56:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] My new tow car.... In-Reply-To: <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <002701ce0543$4905aee0$db110ca0$@com> http://www.hummerforum.de/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=225&image_i d=1403 Cheers Chris From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu Feb 7 20:08:02 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 21:08:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> FOT Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to see the results. I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. My questions are: Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the radiator? Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? What is the difference? Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of the block? Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? Thanks, Greg From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 7 20:14:34 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My new tow car.... References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> <002701ce0543$4905aee0$db110ca0$@com> Message-ID: Chris, thanks for the info. Now if my grandmother Gossmann was still alive, she could translate it for me! Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [Fot] My new tow car.... > http://www.hummerforum.de/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=225&image_i > d=1403 > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Feb 7 21:42:21 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:42:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> Message-ID: You should see in the neighborhood of 30 psi on the engine side of the t-stat housing and in the vicinity of the radiator cap's pressure relief value on the upper radiator hose, probably around 10 psi. Tony Drews At 09:08 PM 2/7/2013, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >FOT > > > >Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to >see the results. > > > >I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 >and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct >spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the >top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. >For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a >welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and >the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style >radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and >the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the >hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping >directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater >port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the >suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I >have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will >first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am >guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the >pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. > > > >My questions are: > >Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the >radiator? > >Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? > >What is the difference? > >Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top >radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of >the block? > >Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Greg >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 8 09:29:03 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:29:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> Greg... While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help but chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time you drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when he had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' was one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an indication of its importance with our TR engines. Bill Dentinger From sjanzen at me.com Fri Feb 8 12:28:22 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:28:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes Message-ID: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com> looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4-Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 From rikrock at live.com Fri Feb 8 12:41:12 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:41:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes Message-ID: Interesting intake manifold modification! Rich Rock ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen Sent: 2/8/2013 2:29 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4 -Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Feb 8 14:45:29 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:45:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> Message-ID: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Greg, I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. Larry Young On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to > see the results. > > > > I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 > and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct > spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the > top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. > For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a > welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and > the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style > radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and > the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the > hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping > directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater > port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the > suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I > have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will > first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am > guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the > pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. > > > > My questions are: > > Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the > radiator? > > Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? > > What is the difference? > > Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top > radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of > the block? > > Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Feb 8 14:55:49 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:55:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes In-Reply-To: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com> References: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com> Message-ID: <7ff7fe8e881b55b91ffd439b5c4f1f2c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Bidding has ended... John On Fri, February 8, 2013 2:28 pm, Scott Janzen wrote: > looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4-Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Feb 8 15:23:00 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Message-ID: I now have the car & can attest that it works well. Like Kas told us, though, you need to take your time & make sure you he ALL the air out. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Greg, > I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. > Larry Young > > On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >> Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to >> see the results. >> >> >> I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 >> and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct >> spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the >> top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. >> For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a >> welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and >> the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style >> radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and >> the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the >> hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping >> directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater >> port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the >> suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I >> have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will >> first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am >> guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the >> pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. >> >> >> My questions are: >> >> Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the >> radiator? >> >> Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? >> >> What is the difference? >> >> Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top >> radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of >> the block? >> >> Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Feb 8 15:24:18 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:24:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Message-ID: <9B54F804-8953-4F53-A388-7A6BF7C4CBF4@gdhs.com> PS: Larry, I think the cap is 14 lbs. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Greg, > I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. > Larry Young > > On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >> Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to >> see the results. >> >> >> I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 >> and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct >> spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the >> top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. >> For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a >> welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and >> the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style >> radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and >> the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the >> hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping >> directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater >> port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the >> suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I >> have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will >> first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am >> guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the >> pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. >> >> >> My questions are: >> >> Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the >> radiator? >> >> Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? >> >> What is the difference? >> >> Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top >> radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of >> the block? >> >> Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Fri Feb 8 16:16:56 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:16:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1360365416.77897.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Greg; I used a Ford Radiator from Jegs. I also used the expansion tank from Jegs and put it where the battery box is. I plumbed out of the back of the head into the tank and out of the tank into the waterpump. I have never had water temps over 180F even on 95 degree days. I fill up the radiator first. Cap it off and then fill up the expansion tank to about 1" from the top and I am good to go. This gets the whole system full. I have the expansion tank because the radiator sits lower than a stock radiator and it allows me to get the system full of water. I use Parker 801 push lok hose to plumb the tank. If you like email me off line and I can send you some photos. Mike Mehl ________________________________ From: Larry Young To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Greg, I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. Larry Young On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to > see the results. > > > I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 > and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct > spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the > top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. > For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a > welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and > the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style > radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and > the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the > hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping > directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater > port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the > suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I > have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will > first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am > guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the > pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. > > > My questions are: > > Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the > radiator? > > Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? > > What is the difference? > > Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top > radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of > the block? > > Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? > > > Thanks, > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri Feb 8 17:45:32 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:45:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Message-ID: Wow! I have not seen this video before. This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) I think you will like this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Feb 8 18:29:59 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:29:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360373399.71037.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, that was very interesting and fun to watch. The commentator must have been a popular British voice of the time as I believe he did motorcycle trials as well. ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Fri, February 8, 2013 4:50:42 PM Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Wow! I have not seen this video before. This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) I think you will like this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 19:15:52 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:15:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video References: Message-ID: thanks Jason,,great video..I posted it on Facebook RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: "triumph friends" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:45 PM Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video > Wow! > I have not seen this video before. > This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) > I think you will like this! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Feb 8 21:36:50 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 23:36:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFD49635EC2AAA-1778-1AC7F@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com> Have watched this on You Tube on several occasions, just makes me anxious to get behind the wheel of my Spit GT out onto an autocross course. Current project on my car is replicating windows for the doors as on the factory cars. I'll be a bit drier at damp events with windows in the doors. Cheers, Bob T, '64 Spitfire GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 7:50 pm Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Wow! have not seen this video before. his is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) think you will like this! ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Feb 9 07:53:29 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:53:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Great find!!!!!! Race cars from the day were just so elegant, by and large. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 7:45 PM Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Wow! I have not seen this video before. This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) I think you will like this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 11:34:50 2013 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 seat Message-ID: <1181178781.1042360.1360434890267.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Anyone have a nice pair of TR6 seat tracks/mounting brackets they'd part with? Please contact me off list. Thanks, Ed Woods From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Feb 8 11:09:39 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:09:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <4A18B494050A4337BFF3CA0FC1EC4073@hpd530> I agree, Bill. On my TR6 engine, where the the heater pipe comes out of the head at the rear, I removed the pipe and installed a petcock for bleeding out air. Easy to do and it seems to work. Of course, I don't have a heater in the car. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Greg... > > While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help > but > chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time > you > drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end > up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when > he > had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' > was > one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an > indication of its importance with our TR engines. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Feb 8 12:26:16 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:26:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bill, can you outline a good procedure for getting all of the air out of the system? Jim ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, February 8, 2013 8:39:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Greg... While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help but chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time you drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when he had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' was one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an indication of its importance with our TR engines. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Feb 8 16:55:53 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:55:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes In-Reply-To: <7ff7fe8e881b55b91ffd439b5c4f1f2c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com>, <7ff7fe8e881b55b91ffd439b5c4f1f2c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: I'd say well bought. Hope the new owner get to enjoy it. > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:55:49 -0500 > From: rjl6n at cstone.net > To: sjanzen at me.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes > > Bidding has ended... > > John > > On Fri, February 8, 2013 2:28 pm, Scott Janzen wrote: > > looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4 -Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Feb 9 20:16:11 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 21:16:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <27375.1360466171@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Most persons around here racing TR's take the heater outlet from the head and route it back to the water pump for increased flow through the back of the head. My self included on my TR6. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Fri 08/02/13 10:09 AM , "Bill Tobin" william.tobin31 at verizon.net sent: I agree, Bill. On my TR6 engine, where the the heater pipe comes out of the head at the rear, I removed the pipe and installed a petcock for bleeding out air. Easy to do and it seems to work. Of course, I don't have a heater in the car. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Greg... > > While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help > but > chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time > you > drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end > up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when > he > had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' > was > one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an > indication of its importance with our TR engines. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > > > http://www.fot-racing.com [5] > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [6] > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [7] > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [8] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [9] _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [13] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [14] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [15] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [16] Links: ------ [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [8] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [9] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fwilliam.tobin31%40verizon.net [12] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [13] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [14] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [15] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [16] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 10 10:33:34 2013 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 seat tracks Message-ID: <748683528.1068245.1360517614393.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> List, B Found 'em , thanks to these lists. Thanks for all the responses. B Also found that new ones are available from TRF (and perhaps others) for around $80 each. B Ed Woods From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Feb 9 19:18:58 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 21:18:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> Hi, I have a large plastic funnel that fits snugly in my rad fill opening. I start pouring water in with both the petcocks open on the block; the one on the side behind the headers, and the one on top where the heater pipe was. Because the funnel is about a foot tall and doesn't leak coolant out where the neck goes into the rad, I have a volume of coolant in the funnel that extends above the block by several inches. And a little more gravity helping. When coolant comes out the lower petcock, I close it and wait for coolant to come out the top one, then close it. Seems to work ok. When the system is full and the partly full funnel is pulled out of the rad, some fluid will slop around, but it's easily cleaned up. Does this make sense? Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Bill, can you outline a good procedure for getting all of the air out of > the > system? Jim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "BillDentin at aol.com" > > To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Fri, > February 8, 2013 8:39:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Greg... > > While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l > help but > chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every > time you > drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you > will end > up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even > when he > had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling > system' was > one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is > an > indication of its importance with our TR engines. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 10 07:43:25 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:43:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It looks to me like it didn't sell. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 5:56 PM > To: rjl6n at cstone.net; sjanzen at me.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes > > I'd say well bought. Hope the new owner get to enjoy it. > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:55:49 -0500 > > From: rjl6n at cstone.net > > To: sjanzen at me.com > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes > > > > Bidding has ended... > > > > John > > > > On Fri, February 8, 2013 2:28 pm, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-an d- > TR4 > -Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_11 82 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 10 07:45:29 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:45:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CAN-AM REUNION. 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I do have a bleeder (petcock) on the thermostat housing, on the right side. I forgot that one. The temp sender goes in the left side. It's tough getting old, you start forgetting things! My 86 year old cousin Marion tells me "You aint seen nothing yet!" You're right, it is the highest point and the last one to close. Thanks again. Bill From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 11 07:29:39 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:29:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <2012.87d6738.3e4a5a53@aol.com> Amici... All good advice, but of course...Kas covers this entire cooling system subject on pages 154 through 156 of his most recent 'TRIUMPH PREPARATION HANDBOOK'. Any TRIUMPH aficionado who does not have that (and his other books) is missing the boat. Bill Dentinger From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Feb 13 09:21:38 2013 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:21:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt application Message-ID: <000001ce0a06$33ba1e00$9b2e5a00$@hot-tr6.com> Can any FOT member please give me the ARP part number for main bearing cap bolts for a TR6? Thank You, Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 09:25:04 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:25:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination. Message-ID: <0AA6BBD2-4CBE-4EE7-8157-7E02034E0BB3@yahoo.com> I would like to nominate a potential new member to the FOT . What steps do I need to take to move this great Triumph forward in the process? Jay From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Feb 13 09:37:52 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:37:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt application References: <000001ce0a06$33ba1e00$9b2e5a00$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <848B6EAEC5A8438385E6C63E7743136C@Charly> http://goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=18 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Hollowell" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:21 AM Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt application > Can any FOT member please give me the ARP part number for main bearing cap > bolts for a TR6? > > Thank You, > > Walt Hollowell > > Albuquerque, NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Feb 13 11:31:21 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Tube shock conversion on a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360780281.26234.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've got the type of conversion unit that uses three boxed angle brackets and attaches through the body. My question relates to the piece of sheet rubber supplied to go on top of the lowest (and largest) bracket between the bracket and the body. I would think in the race application that this rubber should be left out and I have added a piece of 14 gauge steel on top of the body layer (horizonal in the trunk) that I may or may not weld in place. Does anyone have any thoughts on this particular area of this type conversion? Thanks, Jim From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 16:49:54 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:49:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 78 Spitfire project car for sale Message-ID: <1360799394.21366.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> It pains me to say this, but... I need to sell one of my Spitfires. It is a 1978 Triumph Spitfire 1500. It was going to be my racer. I have taken a few things off to start on rebuilding it, so I have all the parts that were originally on it, except the original starter and hard top windows. There is some rust on the floor pan and lower rockers. It is in a lot better shape than Gertrude(my 71 MKIV) when I started working on her. I need to sell it fast. Clear title. Please email me if you are interested. I am attaching a couple pics of it from a year and a half ago. In one of the pics, it is the green one and not the blue one! I must emphasize that. The blue one is not, and will never be for sale! It has sat under a car cover since then, and I feel bad that I have accumulated another Spitfire ('80 1500) that is in great shape, pushing this one off and relinquishing it's duties as the "racer". Please let me know if you are interested. You can call me at 515-339-4228 or email me back for more info. Thanks everyone! Shawn Frank [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 62910_144462505597477_100001011850470_208463_1280430_n.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 24985_101828799860848_3021280_n.jpg] From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Feb 13 19:08:21 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:08:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> Message-ID: <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On a 74 TR6, I am installing on older tube shock conversion (boxed angle plates attached through the body). Does anyone know a good starting adjustment for series 80 Konis on the rear for autocrossing? It has heavy duty full length springs. Thanks, Jim From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Feb 14 10:16:33 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:16:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'm a long-time TR6 autocrosser. My suggestion would be to go to full stiff on the settings and then try to back off 'till the car isn't completely tail-happy. You are much better off with stiff shocks / springs in the rear than with a big roll bar because with the roll bar you'll lift the inside wheel and get wheel spin (unless you have a Detroit locker or maybe a Salisbury type). I know this from experience. With a Quaife or open diff, you will get wheel spin. I've done the big bar on my street TR6 (used to run that car in SCCA FSP) and with the race car (SCCA F Prepared). Stiff springs get you less body roll, less "squat" on take-off at the expense of making the back a little bit more loose (depends on how stiff the springs are). On rough courses, the car will be really tail happy, but that's the tradeoff. I hope this helps. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 12:21:54 2013 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:21:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> Well, my advice would be not to put that monstrosity on your car, let alone Autocross with it - unless you really like doing body and frame repair. Pardon by bluntness, but I can't understand why these things are still in use - I'd be surprised if at least half this list hasn't experienced, seen, or at least heard about the damage they can cause. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2013, at 9:08 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > On a 74 TR6, I am installing on older tube shock conversion (boxed angle > plates > attached through the body). Does anyone know a good starting > adjustment for > series 80 Konis on the rear for autocrossing? It has heavy > duty full length > springs. Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Feb 14 12:44:13 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:44:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment RATCO SHOCKCONVERSION In-Reply-To: <8CFD902691A9C49-13B0-7DDF@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> <8CFD902691A9C49-13B0-7DDF@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFD902CC28DDC6-13B0-7E7A@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> There have been some designs that got a deservedly bad reputation for creating stress and fatigue on chassis and body parts. AWFUL consequences. I believe that there are now some designs that are much improved. RATCO comes to mind..........worth looking at RATCO's design. I know that Tony's solid axle desgn for tube shock conversion addresses this issue and I can recommend it. I am not sure he advertizes it, but he does manufacture a kit. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jack Mc To: sherry robyn Cc: fot Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment Well, my advice would be not to put that monstrosity on your car, let alone Autocross with it - unless you really like doing body and frame repair. Pardon by bluntness, but I can't understand why these things are still in use - I'd be surprised if at least half this list hasn't experienced, seen, or at least heard about the damage they can cause. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2013, at 9:08 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > On a 74 TR6, I am installing on older tube shock conversion (boxed angle > plates > attached through the body). Does anyone know a good starting > adjustment for > series 80 Konis on the rear for autocrossing? It has heavy > duty full length > springs. Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 14 12:58:32 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:58:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) From REK46 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 13:02:59 2013 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:02:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: <5ecfd.3a0c97fc.3e4e9cf1@aol.com> They should change it to " LUCAS " In a message dated 2/14/2013 2:59:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:18:50 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:18:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DC3740A6E194E488074F5901570CEEA@Bud> I'd Rather Be 'Sailing' RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > Amici... > > Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean > cruise > ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, > after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 > people > are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet > facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to > High > Heaven. > > It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to > get > this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is > important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Feb 14 14:02:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:02:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> I am waiting for it to spring an OIL LEAK......... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:59 pm Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Feb 14 14:17:11 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:17:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Message-ID: <008d01ce0af8$a7939fc0$f6badf40$@rr.com> Maybe Porsche, and paint some gold on the stacks.................. .....so there's these folks who saved all year for a vacation, scheduled vacation time and now this is what they get! Sure makes even a bad day at the track seem pretty darn good. russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 14 15:16:56 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:16:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: <14df2.40008a68.3e4ebc57@aol.com> In a message dated 02/14/2013 4:10:20 PM Central Standard Time, rfdeanes at gmail.com writes: > Now this ship is giving Triumph a bad name, now all the people on the > boat will relate the name to bad news.Think the owners would go for a name > change...possibly so ...especially to fill the cabins again.The tow rope broke > today and it still can't get to port, at least we know how to fix our > Triumphs. > I agree with the Fiat name and they can call Tony! > Mike Cooks says, "Yeah, FIAT! Flush It Again, Tony". And he's right. Bill (Damdinger) From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Thu Feb 14 16:31:41 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:31:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1360884701.29658.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Frame is in pretty good shape. The rear end is welded and it does have bar on the rear. I do plan to beef up the frame in the diff and shock area but it doesn't seem like there is not much I can do to beef up the trailing arm. These Konis have a built in bump stop. Jim ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: sherry robyn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, February 14, 2013 9:17:43 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment Hi, I'm a long-time TR6 autocrosser. My suggestion would be to go to full stiff on the settings and then try to back off 'till the car isn't completely tail-happy. You are much better off with stiff shocks / springs in the rear than with a big roll bar because with the roll bar you'll lift the inside wheel and get wheel spin (unless you have a Detroit locker or maybe a Salisbury type). I know this from experience. With a Quaife or open diff, you will get wheel spin. I've done the big bar on my street TR6 (used to run that car in SCCA FSP) and with the race car (SCCA F Prepared). Stiff springs get you less body roll, less "squat" on take-off at the expense of making the back a little bit more loose (depends on how stiff the springs are). On rough courses, the car will be really tail happy, but that's the tradeoff. I hope this helps. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Thu Feb 14 19:18:18 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:18:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> Message-ID: <1360894698.12661.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On the suggestion to use heims joint, I can see that this principal could be advantageous but not sure how it would be done practically in the application of tube shock conversion and the trailing arm. I can't quite see how to use it on either end. I would think that the larger shock mount holes and rubber shock mount bushing might have a similar affect to the heim joint. Jim ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: Jack Mc Cc: sherry robyn ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Thu, February 14, 2013 12:23:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment Hi, Just to be clear, what Jack refers to is the fact that there are significant bending loads that can occur from both the normal motion of these telescopic shocks and supension bottoming that can occur because most of the tube shock conversions eliminate the lower bump stop in some manor, or at the very least change it. The point being that the SPRING (actually the wheel rate) limits the total weight transfer... so, in theory you can limit some of the bending load to the frame because of the shock. Note also that where the shock mounts to the trailing arm, there is an arcing motion, so this adds to the bending loads. So, if you can mount the shock at the trailing arm and the frame with heims joints, you should probably do so. As a point of information, the Gp 44 TR6 used the stock shock location on the trailing arm, albeit with considerable reinforcement and the top was secured to the roll cage. That setup is rock-solid - so a telescoping shock can be used. The key is where you mount it. Also, not mentioned to this point is the fact that "we" really can't know the condition of the frame in question and that would have considerable bearing on whether the setup will work or not. If this was my car, and I had no other options, I'd def. add "check rear upper crossmember" to the pre-event check for every event as this setup can result in failure in that area. I'll also point out from experience that the trailing arms themselves are prone to cracking either at the shock mount or between where the hub mounts and the pivot points, so if you go really, really stiff on the suspension, the trailing arms are likely to fail. On the other hand, you can set up the suspension fairly soft like it came from the factory... just don't chuck the car around or you'll bottom the suspension all the time and I'll guarantee that stuff will break. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 20:04:40 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:04:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] air compressor Message-ID: <3F5EA384E5B74C8997325A9F11520D7E@hpd530> Hi Gang, while wasting some time between a late afternoon Valentines lunch and my welding class, I stopped by Home Depot. I saw a small Porter Cable air compressor on sale for $39.00. 3 1/2 gallon, 135 psi, pancake style. 110 volt. Nice small unit to take to the races. Only flows 3 SCFM but should be fine for pumping up tires. The HD guys said it was some kind of holiday promotion left over. Normally around $90.00. They weren't sure if it was a local thing or nationwide. I just thought I'd let you know. It's always good to share the good deals. OBTW, I bought 4. Happy Valentines Day. Bill From bownes at seiri.com Thu Feb 14 20:23:00 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] air compressor In-Reply-To: <3F5EA384E5B74C8997325A9F11520D7E@hpd530> References: <3F5EA384E5B74C8997325A9F11520D7E@hpd530> Message-ID: > OBTW, I bought 4. One for each tire? :) Bob From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 21:44:01 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:44:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] damn embarrasing Message-ID: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Let me see ... A Triumph in the middle of nowhere with no power, failed electricals followed by a fire (?). Who would of thought. My 2 cents, Bob T PS now the comedians are starting to make the jokes, ha ha ha. From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Feb 14 13:23:18 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:23:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, Just to be clear, what Jack refers to is the fact that there are significant bending loads that can occur from both the normal motion of these telescopic shocks and supension bottoming that can occur because most of the tube shock conversions eliminate the lower bump stop in some manor, or at the very least change it. The point being that the SPRING (actually the wheel rate) limits the total weight transfer... so, in theory you can limit some of the bending load to the frame because of the shock. Note also that where the shock mounts to the trailing arm, there is an arcing motion, so this adds to the bending loads. So, if you can mount the shock at the trailing arm and the frame with heims joints, you should probably do so. As a point of information, the Gp 44 TR6 used the stock shock location on the trailing arm, albeit with considerable reinforcement and the top was secured to the roll cage. That setup is rock-solid - so a telescoping shock can be used. The key is where you mount it. Also, not mentioned to this point is the fact that "we" really can't know the condition of the frame in question and that would have considerable bearing on whether the setup will work or not. If this was my car, and I had no other options, I'd def. add "check rear upper crossmember" to the pre-event check for every event as this setup can result in failure in that area. I'll also point out from experience that the trailing arms themselves are prone to cracking either at the shock mount or between where the hub mounts and the pivot points, so if you go really, really stiff on the suspension, the trailing arms are likely to fail. On the other hand, you can set up the suspension fairly soft like it came from the factory... just don't chuck the car around or you'll bottom the suspension all the time and I'll guarantee that stuff will break. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 14 13:32:03 2013 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: You know its interesting that Carnival owns Costa cruise line as well. What is funny, is that last year, we were going on a cruise the week after the Costa Concordia ran aground and this year we are leaving on a cruise this weekend. I don't know if I would schedule a cruise the week before me. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net RACER BUD wrote: >I'd Rather Be 'Sailing' >RB >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:58 AM >Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > > >> Amici... >> >> Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean >> cruise >> ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, >> after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 >> people >> are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet >> facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to >> High >> Heaven. >> >> It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to >> get >> this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is >> important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 14:11:28 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:11:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Oh Lord! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... >I am waiting for it to spring an OIL LEAK......... > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BillDentin > To: fot > Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:59 pm > Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > > > Amici... > > Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean > cruise > ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, > after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 > people > are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet > facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to > High > Heaven. > > It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to > get > this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is > important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 14:19:00 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:19:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7D6F7741-349B-4E34-8E9B-4F1C9284F81F@comcast.net> Sounds like a TR road trip I've been on before. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Feb 14, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet > facilities, and other implorable conditions From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Feb 14 16:09:54 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:09:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It's also listing, must have TR 6 springs on it. Terry Stetler From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 19:30:49 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:30:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com><1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530><1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> <1360894698.12661.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05F7A4ED9E154AF09B1C7C07D1671386@Bud> Heims Joint used to be a great place for a beer.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: "Robert M. Lang" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment > On the suggestion to use heims joint, I can see that this principal could > be > advantageous but not sure how it would be done practically in the > application > of > tube shock conversion and the trailing arm. I can't quite see how to use > it on > either end. I would think that the larger shock mount holes and rubber > shock > mount bushing might have a similar affect to the heim joint. Jim > ________________________________ > From: Robert M. Lang > To: > Jack Mc > Cc: sherry robyn ; > "fot at autox.team.net" > > Sent: Thu, February 14, 2013 > 12:23:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment > > Hi, > > Just to be > clear, what Jack refers to is the fact that there are significant > bending > loads that can occur from both the normal motion of these telescopic > shocks > and supension bottoming that can occur because most of the tube shock > conversions eliminate the lower bump stop in some manor, or at the very > least > change it. The point being that the SPRING (actually the wheel rate) > limits > the > total weight transfer... so, in theory you can limit some of the bending > load to > the frame because of the shock. Note also that where the shock mounts > to the > trailing arm, there is an arcing motion, so this adds to the bending > loads. So, > if you can mount the shock at the trailing arm and the frame with > heims joints, > you should probably do so. > > As a point of information, the Gp > 44 TR6 used the stock shock location on the > trailing arm, albeit with > considerable reinforcement and the top was secured to > the roll cage. That > setup is rock-solid - so a telescoping shock can be used. > The key is where > you mount it. > > Also, not mentioned to this point is the fact that "we" really > can't know the > condition of the frame in question and that would have > considerable bearing on > whether the setup will work or not. > > If this was my > car, and I had no other options, I'd def. add "check rear upper > crossmember" > to the pre-event check for every event as this setup can result in > failure in > that area. > > I'll also point out from experience that the trailing arms > themselves are prone > to cracking either at the shock mount or between where > the hub mounts and the > pivot points, so if you go really, really stiff on the > suspension, the trailing > arms are likely to fail. > > On the other hand, you can > set up the suspension fairly soft like it came from > the factory... just don't > chuck the car around or you'll bottom the suspension > all the time and I'll > guarantee that stuff will break. > > :-) > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former > NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 > | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From chansonjag at aol.com Fri Feb 15 05:21:08 2013 From: chansonjag at aol.com (chansonjag at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:21:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] [NET] damn embarrasing In-Reply-To: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFD98D5CC9C4ED-13D4-410@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> Was there any mention of Lucas electrics? Carl Hanson 1973 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 To: fot ; net Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 11:49 pm Subject: [NET] damn embarrasing Let me see ... A Triumph in the middle of nowhere with no power, failed electricals followed by a fire (?). Who would of thought. My 2 cents, Bob T PS now the comedians are starting to make the jokes, ha ha ha. _______________________________________________ NET mailing list NET at newenglandtriumphs.org http://newenglandtriumphs.org/mailman/listinfo/net_newenglandtriumphs.org From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 15:10:17 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:10:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <008d01ce0af8$a7939fc0$f6badf40$@rr.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <008d01ce0af8$a7939fc0$f6badf40$@rr.com> Message-ID: Now this ship is giving Triumph a bad name, now all the people on the boat will relate the name to bad news.Think the owners would go for a name change...possibly so ...especially to fill the cabins again.The tow rope broke today and it still can't get to port, at least we know how to fix our Triumphs. I agree with the Fiat name and they can call Tony! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Spitfire Racing < Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Maybe Porsche, and paint some gold on the stacks.................. > > > .....so there's these folks who saved all year for a vacation, scheduled > vacation time and now this is what they get! Sure makes even a bad day at > the track seem pretty darn good. > > russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:59 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > > Amici... > > Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise > ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, > after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 > people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working > toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things > stink to High Heaven. > > It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get > this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is > important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Feb 17 11:36:29 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:36:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization Message-ID: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> Amici Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters I'm in northern New Jersey Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not Thanks in advance. Todd Redmond 1958 TR 3 A Sent from my iPhone From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Feb 17 12:22:08 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:22:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization In-Reply-To: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> Message-ID: <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> Look into Vintage Racing Group. I have a friend who races with them. Seems like a good group Chris On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > Amici > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters > I'm in northern New Jersey > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not > > Thanks in advance. > Todd Redmond > 1958 TR 3 A > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From kaskastner at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 12:58:33 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:58:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] E Mail change Message-ID: My new E mail is changed to kaskastner at gmail.com. *Never be beaten by equipment.* From spitfiresuz at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 18:17:18 2013 From: spitfiresuz at gmail.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:17:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [NET] damn embarrasing In-Reply-To: <8CFD98D5CC9C4ED-13D4-410@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> <8CFD98D5CC9C4ED-13D4-410@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <457720B0-6D83-4E85-9E70-081FDEA6F159@gmail.com> I think the whole thing can be traced back to the loss of the cruise control... Susan ;) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2013, at 7:21 AM, chansonjag at aol.com wrote: > Was there any mention of Lucas electrics? > > Carl Hanson > 1973 TR6 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: fot ; net > Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 11:49 pm > Subject: [NET] damn embarrasing > > > Let me see ... A Triumph in the middle of nowhere with no power, failed > electricals followed by a fire (?). Who would of thought. > > My 2 cents, > Bob T > > PS now the comedians are starting to make the jokes, ha ha ha. > > _______________________________________________ > NET mailing list > NET at newenglandtriumphs.org > http://newenglandtriumphs.org/mailman/listinfo/net_newenglandtriumphs.org > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at gmail.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Feb 17 16:09:47 2013 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:09:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 clutch disk experiences Message-ID: <000301ce0d63$e1d30730$a5791590$@rr.com> Folks, I am close to getting a TR6 project moving along again. I started at the rear bumper and am now up to the firewall with the engine and pretty much the entire rest of the drive train rebuilt. I know a number of years back there was much conversation among some entities that "Magic" was required to get a clutch to work in a TR6. I never abided to that train of thought and identified it more as a mis-match of wrong parts. What I have is a new lightweight flywheel that is being mated with a LUK pressure plate. I have an AP clutch disk new in the box and also a LUK with maybe 10K on it. Are there any problems experienced with the AP brand of clutch disk as sold out of western PA maybe 15 years ago? Thanks Russ From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Feb 17 17:44:55 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:44:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization In-Reply-To: <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net>, <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> Message-ID: VRG lets me show up. Nor sure if that is good or bad for the rest of the field but I enjoy their events. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:22:08 -0500 > To: alfetta95 at optonline.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization > > Look into Vintage Racing Group. > I have a friend who races with them. Seems like a good group > > Chris > > On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > > > Amici > > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my > parameters > > I'm in northern New Jersey > > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky > > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest > organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one > > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern > NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. > > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Todd Redmond > > 1958 TR 3 A > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From list at mackenzie.aero Mon Feb 18 06:46:29 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:46:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1147 Race Engine? Message-ID: <001201ce0dde$5eb7fce0$1c27f6a0$@aero> Does anybody have an 1147 Race Engine they want to sell? Please contact me offline at robert AT mackenzie DOT aero Thanks! From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 10:36:38 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:36:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Marty Message-ID: Marty, in response to your earlier message, I replied to all, but it got bounced. Here's my reply; As Groucho once said, "I'd never belong to a club that would have me as a member!" Great quote. VRG is a great bunch of folks who always put on a nice event. You should consider the Jefferson 500 in May at Summit Point. Nice track and a lot of fun. The organizers have always offered a deal that if you sign up early, you get a free test day. And you can buy power for the weekend for about $20. Bring your big extension cord. See you there. Bill From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 05:45:14 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:45:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net>, <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> Message-ID: <0933964B54544AE1995C813BEC14BF57@hpd530> Marty, remember what Groucho said, "I wouldn't be a member of a club that would have me as a member"! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization > VRG lets me show up. Nor sure if that is good or bad for the rest of the > field > but I enjoy their events. > > Marty > ---------------------------------------- >> From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com >> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:22:08 -0500 >> To: alfetta95 at optonline.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization >> >> Look into Vintage Racing Group. >> I have a friend who races with them. Seems like a good group >> >> Chris >> >> On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Todd Redmond >> wrote: >> >> > Amici >> > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of > my >> parameters >> > I'm in northern New Jersey >> > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky >> > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the >> > broadest >> organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one >> > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). > northern >> NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. >> > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not >> > >> > Thanks in advance. >> > Todd Redmond >> > 1958 TR 3 A >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Feb 18 12:49:21 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Marty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401ce0e11$0bccb100$23661300$@comcast.net> See Marty they even let Bill in at Summit Point (all though I don't know why) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:37 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Marty Marty, in response to your earlier message, I replied to all, but it got bounced. Here's my reply; As Groucho once said, "I'd never belong to a club that would have me as a member!" Great quote. VRG is a great bunch of folks who always put on a nice event. You should consider the Jefferson 500 in May at Summit Point. Nice track and a lot of fun. The organizers have always offered a deal that if you sign up early, you get a free test day. And you can buy power for the weekend for about $20. Bring your big extension cord. See you there. Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Feb 18 13:21:50 2013 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:21:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Organizations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e901ce0e15$95cc7670$c1656350$@org> IMHO, if you prepare your car to SVRA requirements you will be good to go with any East Coast or Mid West group with the exception of VSCCA (which doesn't allow many TR3s anyway). And, SVRA has good information on their website regarding their requirements. We've prepared my car to their vintage specs for almost 20 years and have been accepted anywhere I've tried. Any questions, and you can contact their technical guy online. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 13:29:53 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:29:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Marty References: <001401ce0e11$0bccb100$23661300$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <399B1521355040EF8CF1AD0AF82C6BB5@hpd530> I think it had something to do with money: I had a check and they wanted it! Great bunch. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Wensley" To: "'Bill Tobin'" ; Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Marty > See Marty they even let Bill in at Summit Point (all though I don't know > why) > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Tobin > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:37 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Marty > > Marty, in response to your earlier message, I replied to all, but it got > bounced. > Here's my reply; As Groucho once said, "I'd never belong to a club that > would have me as a member!" > Great quote. > VRG is a great bunch of folks who always put on a nice event. You should > consider the Jefferson 500 in May at Summit Point. Nice track and a lot of > fun. The organizers have always offered a deal that if you sign up early, > you get a free test day. And you can buy power for the weekend for about > $20. > Bring your big extension cord. > See you there. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 18 17:34:37 2013 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Windows Live Team) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:34:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization In-Reply-To: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> Message-ID: Todd, I've raced with HRG for over 10 years with my TR3. Lot of nice people. Most also run in vintage and SCCA. I'm not real competative against 240zs and BMWs but who cares. I still have a lot of fun. The cars are based on 1973(I believe) SCCA rules. This why I run with them as I don't have the expense of updating my car. Lorne Fitz> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:36:29 -0500 > From: alfetta95 at optonline.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization > > Amici > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters > I'm in northern New Jersey > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not > > Thanks in advance. > Todd Redmond > 1958 TR 3 A > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Feb 18 17:47:34 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:47:34 GMT Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization Message-ID: <20130218.194734.19042.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Todd, if you build it to SCCA production specs as far as safety equipment you will probably exceed the specs for the vintage groups, but you should check all the rules. One rule that I found SVRA stricter was requiring tow hooks even on open cars. You can still come play in EP, I am still racing my TR3 in EP. My car with the big flared fenders, however is not eligible for most vintage racing groups. The NE SCCA still has HRG, which was Volvo Historic Series (VHS) at one time. I don't remember if it was VHS or HRG when you raced your eyetalian car. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Todd Redmond To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:36:29 -0500 Amici Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters I'm in northern New Jersey Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not Thanks in advance. Todd Redmond 1958 TR 3 A Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From tpettenati at yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 09:24:22 2013 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:24:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advise on Valve springs - Spitfire Message-ID: <1361291062.72379.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All, I'm looking for some guidance selecting new valve springs and setting valve spring pressures on a 64 Spitfire used for vintage racing. Engine info: 1147 + .040, block and head shaved per comp manual, compression about 12:1 Cam = Kastner A7, .412 lift, duration 242 @ .050. stock rockers, tappets 2x SU HS2 carbs, large intake valves Rev limiter set at 7200 RPM, shift at 6500-7000 RPM British Parts Northwest provided the following specs on their dual spring kits. VS703K @1.340 Seat 70lbs, lift .412 175lbs VS6624 @1.340 Seat 35lbs, lift .412 145lbs I'm thinking the VS703K looks like a good choice, and the VS6624 would be a bit too light on seat pressure. Thanks for any insight. Tim From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed Feb 20 02:46:21 2013 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:46:21 +1100 Subject: [Fot] GT6 con rods Message-ID: <004901ce0f4f$24f4d060$6ede7120$@optushome.com.au> Amici Has anyone come up with a replacement OEM longer conrod for the 2litre GT6 motor to allow the TR6 pistons to be used Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Feb 20 13:53:33 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:53:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Header Message-ID: What is the group's advice on the best place to find a good TR4 exhaust header. We seem to have "exploded" ours at the Road Atlanta race last weekend..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Feb 20 18:27:08 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:27:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512577EC.2040100@blacksburg.net> On 2/20/2013 3:53 PM, john hasty wrote: > What is the group's advice on the best place to find a good TR4 exhaust > header. We seem to have "exploded" ours at the Road Atlanta race last > weekend..... > > John, TSI sells a good one. Furthermore, I used the thick gasket Tony Drews has and am delighted with the results. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 22 06:52:45 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:52:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Overdrive Query Message-ID: Hi, I was going through some notes yesterday and I found a reference from a friend suggesting that a "P-type" overdrive may be a good upgrade to look into. This suggestion was based on several points, not the least of which was that you can get new, modern replacement parts and that they are built to handle rediculous power (like 600 HP). Don't quote me on the power number, but the point is that they are overbuilt compared to A-types and J-types. They're also designed to withstand stupid-big line pressure, like 780 PSI, so they're capable of instant shifts. So, that made me poke around a bit and see what I could find and in the small amount of searching that I did, I came across Gear Vendors - they do upgrades for all sorts of applications and it looks like they either use teh P-type or they build a knock-off of it. I plan to do some more research on the matter, but I wanted to throw this out to the FOT to see if anyone has any direct experience with Gear Vendors and / or with the P-type mounted to a Triumph gearbox. And, no, I haven't chatted with John Esposito. Yet. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mdporter at dfn.com Fri Feb 22 07:30:38 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:30:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5127810E.4030902@dfn.com> On 2/22/2013 6:52 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I plan to do some more research on the matter, but I wanted to throw > this out to the FOT to see if anyone has any direct experience with > Gear Vendors and / or with the P-type mounted to a Triumph gearbox. > Here's a little something from the UK on a P-type conversion (GT6): http://club.triumph.org.uk/cgi-bin/forum10/Blah.pl?m-1326400553/ Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Feb 22 16:14:47 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:14:47 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re Overdrive Query Message-ID: there are 2 versions of P type I have found one as per link was just a minor update of the J.... changes to valve design, stiffer centre case same as Triumph Dollomite Sprint. commonly used in volvos and as made up till recently and sold by "Gear Vendors" in USA the version I have found in 740 turbo has a much bigger roller cell clutch and bigger pins on the planet gears. these wont fit onto Triumph mainshafts . externally they look almost the same Terry O'Beirne Australia From markvaden at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 08:33:00 2013 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:33:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Finally raced! Message-ID: Hi Everyone, After 2 long years I finally got the tr4a back on the track. Here is the bring a trailer ad with some pictures from when I purchased the car. http://bringatrailer.com/2010/08/16/mothballed-racer-triumph-tr4/. Here is a video from last weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuv4aFcm7w Thanks to all the FOTers who answered various questions along the way. I had some carb issues which I worked out, and a bubble in the radiator. Ultimately the differential failed, embarassingly caused by a missing cotter pin. Somehow at least 4 of us missed it. But still great to run again after years off. -Mark From tr4 at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 24 08:43:09 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:43:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: <6F.87.02677.D053A215@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott tr4 at wi.rr.com 262-997-0701 From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Feb 24 09:09:00 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Finally raced! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats Mark! Go get em! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > After 2 long years I finally got the tr4a back on the track. Here is the > bring a trailer ad with some pictures from when I purchased the car. > http://bringatrailer.com/2010/08/16/mothballed-racer-triumph-tr4/. Here is > a video from last weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuv4aFcm7w > > Thanks to all the FOTers who answered various questions along the way. I > had some carb issues which I worked out, and a bubble in the radiator. > Ultimately the differential failed, embarassingly caused by a missing > cotter pin. Somehow at least 4 of us missed it. But still great to run > again after years off. > > -Mark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Feb 24 12:47:46 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:47:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] Links: ------ [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 24 16:52:24 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:52:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <7D.EB.13457.8B7AA215@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Charley, Other than doing a good "blue printing" to the specs in the books the TR6 pump seems to be a very reliable unit. There have been a number of Tractor motor pump failures of different types that revolve around the inner rotor. The new pump design that I produce solves these issues and makes for a very reliable part. That is all I know and welcome any other input. I would like to make the TR6 pump with a pressure oiling system like the modified Tractor pump but the TR6 pump end cap does not have enough depth remaining for a stub shaft. This would require a new end cap casting which would be overly costly at this time. Steve Yott _____ From: Charly [mailto:charly at mitchelplumbing.com] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:48 PM To: 'fot'; Steve Yott Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott tr4 at wi.rr.com 262-997-0701 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Feb 25 09:34:53 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:34:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> I found this. http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/OilPump.htm In addition I also clean up the casting flaws. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: charly at mitchelplumbing.com Cc: fot ; Steve Yott Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps Charly, There is this 150 pund pump from our English friend at TR Special Tuning: http://www.triumphspecialtuning.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44 &product_id=189 Kinda a steep price. Chuck On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Charly wrote: BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] Links: ------ [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-ra cing .com [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.n et%2 Fdonate.html [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.n et%2 Farchive [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.n et%2 Fforums [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team .net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6105 - Release Date: 02/15/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 13:05:59 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> Message-ID: Speaking of oil pumps. Anybody have a 1500 Spitfire oil pump in their parts pile they want to sell? Mine attempted to process some non-fluid components after the big bang at the Mitty last year. Springs coming, better put something together I guess :) Thanks, Marty From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 09:23:42 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:23:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: Charly, There is this 150 pund pump from our English friend at TR Special Tuning: http://www.triumphspecialtuning.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44&product_id=189 Kinda a steep price. Chuck On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Charly wrote: > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } > Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? > > Charly Mitchel > > TR6 #44 > On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: > TR3 & 4 drivers! > I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. > If > interested please contact me off list. > Thanks much > Steve Yott > 262-997-0701 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.fot-racing.com [3] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] > > > Links: > ------ > [3] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing > .com > [4] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fdonate.html > [5] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Farchive > [6] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fforums > [7] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net > %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Feb 24 17:25:55 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:25:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: <21803.1361751955@mitchelplumbing.com> Thanks for the reply, What I've done to mine is clean up the casting. There is some casting flaws left on all the pumps I've ever purchased, and I just go in and enlarge the passage a little to help make the oil flow a little more. I've been think about cutting down the end float on the pump rotor a little, but haven't tried it yet. Just wondering if someone else was working on these as well. Charly Mitchel TR6#44 From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 25 13:53:43 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:53:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Message-ID: Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger From riverside at southslope.net Mon Feb 25 14:30:10 2013 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:30:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Feb 25 14:38:08 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:38:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at VIR Message-ID: The Triumph Ghetto is pleased to announce that they will award the Annual Martha McDougal Trophy, as part of the 2013 VDCA Wild Hare Run, at Virginia International Raceway. The dates for this year's event are April 12th through the 14th. Mark your calendar now and join your fellow Triumph racers at this fantastic event. The Wild Hare features generous amounts of track time, including a free enduro, on one of the most challenging and historic tracks in the country. Topping off the weekend will be the presentation of the coveted "Martha" trophy to the Triumph racer that displays a high level of performance on track, active support of the Triumph marque, camaraderie in the paddock and general good-guy/gal-ness. In addition to the standard fun on and off the track, the Ghetto will once again provide their world-famous cookout on Friday evening for all Triumph folks and friends. Mark your calendars and watch for posting of the entry form, and on-line entry details, at the link below. We look forward to seeing you there. http://www.vintagedrive.com/Schedule.htm Dean Tetterton, Don Marshall and Leo Oddi From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Feb 25 16:13:07 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:13:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> Message-ID: <25873841973B4307A7029A673F20E405@UserTHINK> I've found a big improvement in OP on the Tractor engines doing the same thing as Bob Danielson says he did to the TR6 pump. A lot is wasted by those score marks. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps I found this. http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/OilPump.htm In addition I also clean up the casting flaws. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: charly at mitchelplumbing.com Cc: fot ; Steve Yott Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps Charly, There is this 150 pund pump from our English friend at TR Special Tuning: http://www.triumphspecialtuning.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44 &product_id=189 Kinda a steep price. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Feb 25 18:46:29 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:46:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks Message-ID: Hi, This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? My earlier questions were based on this tire (un)availability. I have to get ready to buy my tires for 2013 and I have no idea what to do at this stage except break down and switch to 10 inch rims. I know this is currently illegal in Prod, but if there's no tires available - then what? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From malaboge at aol.com Mon Feb 25 21:54:47 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:54:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> Message-ID: <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Back in the day, my tow car was a '65 Shelby GT350...enuf power to tow and just another old car at the time...oh that 20/20 hindsight...where was it when I needed it. Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From malaboge at aol.com Mon Feb 25 22:02:35 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:02:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFE1F5A023FD5D-BAC-7B963@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> oh and it was a TR3 as well... -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... Back in the day, my tow car was a '65 Shelby GT350...enuf power to tow and just another old car at the time...oh that 20/20 hindsight...where was it when I needed it. Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Feb 25 22:33:07 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:33:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <8CFE1F5A023FD5D-BAC-7B963@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> <8CFE1F5A023FD5D-BAC-7B963@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFE1F9E3F8C197-1444-6C30F@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Richard Taylor tows a trailer with his TR4A #196. The trailer has a motorcyle and a set of racing tires. Unfortunately, he is unable to make the 'tow' this year to to the KCUP. We will miss him. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: malaboge ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 11:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... oh and it was a TR3 as well... -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... Back in the day, my tow car was a '65 Shelby GT350...enuf power to tow and just another old car at the time...oh that 20/20 hindsight...where was it when I needed it. Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From wgaplin at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 25 15:38:12 2013 From: wgaplin at bellsouth.net (Warren Aplin) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:38:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> Message-ID: <004001ce13a8$cbd6f9a0$6384ece0$@bellsouth.net> 1972, we are OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had a 1971 Triumph Spitfire, BRG over tan. I kept a race log in the glove box in the back of the owner's manual. That's what I thought those note spots were for, why didn't someone tell me!!!. They voided my warranty!!!!, Young and dumb!!! Still having fun!!!!!!!! Warren Aplin Jupiter, FL 561-748-8187 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:30 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgaplin at bellsouth.net From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue Feb 26 13:59:30 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:59:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 75, Issue 30- slicks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? " Rob, I run Hoosier slicks and went to their website today. They still list bias ply 13" slicks but they have the "new (introduced Nov 2010" radial types on the discount rack, $100 each plus $15 an order for shipping. The original price was ~$225 each. I never ran the radials, always the bias ply so I don't know how well they work. Based on the short sale, I'd say not very well. I spoke to an engineer there when they came out and he gave me recommended set up changes / pressures if I did switch but I never pulled the trigger for the radials. I'm up in the air about what series to run this year, no Prod events last year only vintage but I might pick up a set and wrap them in plastic for future use. mike h G. Michael Harmuth From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Feb 27 10:40:24 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:40:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Special strictly for the Tirumph History buffs... Message-ID: <7a7f.68ea2d.3e5f9f07@aol.com> Amici... I probably should have also mentioned the monthly one page Parting Shot article in my recent email about the April/May issue of Triumph World. It deals with the early history of the Triumph name our cars carry. While there is little historical documentation to suggest any formal engineering trail from bicycles to motorcycles to sports cars, there definitely was a formal path the Triumph name itself followed to get on our cars. But it is not crystal clear. It provides another item we can argue about. You know, like is your car really a TR3B. What we do know is that in about 1884 a German named Siegfried Bettmann came to England as a language translator. Based in Coventry, to make ends meet he began selling high end bicycles under the name Triumph. As a translator, the name had been chosen because it had numerous meanings in several languages. Early on he was not really building anything new, but rather buying bicycles manufactured by others, and using after market products to make them fancy. The Triumph Cycle Company, Ltd., was cashing in on the Victorian bicycle boom. Eventually with some funding from Dunlop, they did manufacture their own bikes, all of which were fancy, catering to the wealthy, and offering up grade options like 'soft tyres'. Then, at the turn of the twentieth century, motorized bicycles were developed and the Triumph company was quickly involved in building them, and also quite successful in competition events. Before and after WWII is were the history of the Triumph name gets foggy. There is more than one story told. We seem to know what happened, as well as why it happened, but not exactly how. There is evidence that Raleigh bought out the bicycle arm of the company before the war. At least a part of the motorcycle arm went to Jack Sangster in Ariel during that same period, but there is also evidence that Bettmann had a deal going with Coventry Cycles. The fact that all of these factories were then bombed out during WWII (along with most of their records) is where the confusion comes up. And thus it is not clear as to exactly what, why, and how the name Triumph evolved on British bicycles, motorcycles and then sports cars. But for sure, there are bicycles and motorcycles in our history, 40 and 16 years respectively, before there were any Triumph sports cars. Bill Dentinger From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Feb 27 11:59:28 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:59:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Special strictly for the Tirumph History buffs...now the KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <7a7f.68ea2d.3e5f9f07@aol.com> References: <7a7f.68ea2d.3e5f9f07@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFE333B3AD95AE-16CC-99D4F@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> I am not sure if I mentioned this before, but I have extended an invitation to Simon, the editor of TRIUMPH WORLD, to join us at the Kastner Cup. He is looking very closely at coming, in spite of a busy publishing schedule. I am beginning to see an incredible assemblage of very interesting people in attendance. (In addition to the FOT) There are some details in planning that necessarily will come from VSCDA, that is forthcoming. Most of that will be settled in March, and then there will be a deluge of new information. There are a lot of folks working on this and it is coming together. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 12:01 pm Subject: [Fot] Special strictly for the Tirumph History buffs... Amici... I probably should have also mentioned the monthly one page Parting Shot article in my recent email about the April/May issue of Triumph World. It deals with the early history of the Triumph name our cars carry. While there is little historical documentation to suggest any formal engineering trail from bicycles to motorcycles to sports cars, there definitely was a formal path the Triumph name itself followed to get on our cars. But it is not crystal clear. It provides another item we can argue about. You know, like is your car really a TR3B. What we do know is that in about 1884 a German named Siegfried Bettmann came to England as a language translator. Based in Coventry, to make ends meet he began selling high end bicycles under the name Triumph. As a translator, the name had been chosen because it had numerous meanings in several languages. Early on he was not really building anything new, but rather buying bicycles manufactured by others, and using after market products to make them fancy. The Triumph Cycle Company, Ltd., was cashing in on the Victorian bicycle boom. Eventually with some funding from Dunlop, they did manufacture their own bikes, all of which were fancy, catering to the wealthy, and offering up grade options like 'soft tyres'. Then, at the turn of the twentieth century, motorized bicycles were developed and the Triumph company was quickly involved in building them, and also quite successful in competition events. Before and after WWII is were the history of the Triumph name gets foggy. There is more than one story told. We seem to know what happened, as well as why it happened, but not exactly how. There is evidence that Raleigh bought out the bicycle arm of the company before the war. At least a part of the motorcycle arm went to Jack Sangster in Ariel during that same period, but there is also evidence that Bettmann had a deal going with Coventry Cycles. The fact that all of these factories were then bombed out during WWII (along with most of their records) is where the confusion comes up. And thus it is not clear as to exactly what, why, and how the name Triumph evolved on British bicycles, motorcycles and then sports cars. But for sure, there are bicycles and motorcycles in our history, 40 and 16 years respectively, before there were any Triumph sports cars. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Catpusher at aol.com Tue Feb 26 20:32:34 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:32:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Some more California Air... Message-ID: <8d13d.b707233.3e5ed852@aol.com> The E Type was the only other car that I owned, and the laden for travel, the TR3 was heavier; so it was very exciting at times also! I did help Nick in Nor Cal load his TR3 on his Trailer a time or two; the Shelby locker was not subtle in SF's hills! Hardy In a message dated 2/26/2013 10:56:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Feb 27 14:40:55 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:40:55 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: on the 6 cyl engines we have made some 1.5 length pumps. Any decent machinist can do this by cutting up a 2nd pump and adding it to the original. of course, you have to shorten/modify the pick-up, which is a good idea anyhow. They have no better pressure, but the extra volume sure helps with oil surge we seem to constantly get when racing. I can probably dig out some pics if anyone is keen Terry O'Beirne Australia From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Feb 27 15:11:40 2013 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (K LYNCH) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:11:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clive Averill Message-ID: Our GT-6 mentor Clive was taken early this morning to his local hospital in a bad way, then air-lifted to another nearby. Would simply ask as a group, that you keep him & his family in your thoughts/prayers these coming days. He's in a rough way and could use some spiritual support.. Thank you ~ Kev Lynch #6 GT6 RMVR From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Wed Feb 27 15:27:10 2013 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael kowalski) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:27:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Some more California Air... References: <8d13d.b707233.3e5ed852@aol.com> Message-ID: <0752257461E045F8BA90EC474CA9CB95@sarako> Many years ago, while towing back from an AutoX at Ft. Huachuca, AZ, somewhere near the NM/AZ border, along I-10, what I should I see but an E-type with six tiny cylinders, towing something in arears headed west. Could it have been the same rig as mentioned below? mike kowalski, FP spit, sorta ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:32 PM Subject: [Fot] Subject: Some more California Air... > The E Type was the only other car that I owned, and the laden for travel, > the TR3 was > heavier; so it was very exciting at times also! I did help Nick in Nor > Cal load his TR3 on his Trailer a time or two; the Shelby locker was not > subtle in SF's hills! > > Hardy > > > In a message dated 2/26/2013 10:56:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > > Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across > the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all > the > same. > > Great articles > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Feb 28 14:36:17 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:36:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: VR1 References: <1362084341.24476.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F7E7DF4-D549-4E42-B854-8126AFACB294@austin.rr.com> VR1 on sale , whoopee! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Robert Blake > Date: February 28, 2013, 1:45:41 PM MST > To: Bob Kramar , 'William Collins' , Duncan Charlton , "jhovey1 at sbcglobal.net" > Subject: VR1 > Reply-To: Robert Blake > > O'Reilly's has VR1 20-50 on sale for 3.99/qt starting today through Mar 31st. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Feb 28 17:31:29 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire project for sale Message-ID: <6B607942-FC38-48AA-A237-AFD19912553D@aol.com> Amici, I hate to say this and do this. I have to sell my project spitfire. Currently it is in pieces. Here is most of what I have. 72, 74 titles Body in good shape, no rust except one small hole in front of driver wheel arch Frame has some surface rust. 2 bonnets. Both have minor repairable rust. One has dents and other doesn't. 4 1500 engines. 3 from a triumph, 1 from a MG 3 transmissions. 1 single, 1 triple rail, 1 OD 2 Sets of doors in great shape, no rust, just one dent in one door. Have full window glass for three sets of doors. Gear reduction starter 4-2-1 exhaust, needs flange Multiple sets of stock carbs Lots of stock parts Hard top in great shape, all glass and trim. No windshield Stock suspension Have poly suspension rebuild kit 3 stock 3.89 diffs There are lots of other parts that I have forgotten about that are included. Currently the major amount of parts are in Delaware but the engines, transmissions, and some other stuff are in New Jersey. Any good reasonable offer will be accepted. Contact me off list if your interested From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 1 00:31:37 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:31:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> How to test a PVC valve? After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: - I pull the hose from the valve cover - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) - and suck back On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. The dimensions aren't important. You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring for valve operating. Installed: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg Cheers Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 1 01:37:09 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 03:37:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] WTB: Cheap TR6 wheels In-Reply-To: <13695.2717eeee.3e3ca4ce@aol.com> References: <13695.2717eeee.3e3ca4ce@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/31/2013 11:21:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > list at mackenzie.aero writes: > > just the rims for autocross > use. > > > hmmm....I wouldn't do that with original TR6 steel wheels - particularly > if he is going to use R-compound tires - he will eventually tear the centers > out of the wheels - but that will probably be somewhat less > ...ah...dramatic...or exciting in an autocross than it is in a road race. Plus you can get brand new steel rims from Diamond wheels for pretty cheap money. Or, as a lot of folks seem to be doing, going with VTO Performance rims or some of the other lower-cost aluminum rims out there. > Cheers, > Jack Mc regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Feb 1 02:55:10 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 04:55:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> Message-ID: <8CFCE795B312549-8D8-5D340@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> OEM REPLACEMENT PVC VALVE is much better than aftermarket like MOROSO branded valve. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- a PVC valve?After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run:- I pull the hose from the valve cover- blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve)- and suck backOn sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If thereis gentle blow by the valve is gone.My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. Thedimensions aren't important.You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern.The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring forvalve operating.Installed:https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4S I/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpgCheersChris________________ _______________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDon ate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/archiveForums: http://www.team.net/forumsUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Feb 1 05:26:38 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:26:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> Message-ID: Are we talking about PVC or PCV? Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > How to test a PVC valve? > > After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: > > - I pull the hose from the valve cover > - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) > - and suck back > > On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If there > is gentle blow by the valve is gone. > > My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. The > dimensions aren't important. > You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. > > The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring for > valve operating. > > Installed: > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH > 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg > > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 1 05:30:43 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 13:30:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> Message-ID: <000901ce0077$f5934260$e0b9c720$@com> I've just taken over the phrase. I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the crankcase. No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing Are we talking about PVC or PCV? Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > How to test a PVC valve? > > After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: > > - I pull the hose from the valve cover > - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) > - and suck back > > On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If > there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. > > My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. > The dimensions aren't important. > You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. > > The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring > for valve operating. > > Installed: > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI > /GcSEH > 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg > > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 1 05:47:52 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:47:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting References: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Message-ID: Interesting read, thanks for sharing. Great info for the hot rod street car crowd. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Munson" Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting > http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Feb 1 06:17:45 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:17:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <000901ce0077$f5934260$e0b9c720$@com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> <000901ce0077$f5934260$e0b9c720$@com> Message-ID: <19E0A7F2-AA29-473E-8DF5-1B5373620DCF@aol.com> Just joking. PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing PCV. Particle control valve. Just having fun with. It is a great read Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I've just taken over the phrase. > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > crankcase. > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > An: MadMarx > Cc: > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > >> How to test a PVC valve? >> >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: >> >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >> - and suck back >> >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >> >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >> The dimensions aren't important. >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >> >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >> for valve operating. >> >> Installed: >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >> /GcSEH >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >> >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Feb 1 06:49:26 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 05:49:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <19E0A7F2-AA29-473E-8DF5-1B5373620DCF@aol.com> Message-ID: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Chris: I do believe you mean: PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock wrote: From: Christopher Bock Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing To: "MadMarx" Cc: "" Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM Just joking. PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing PCV. Particle control valve. Just having fun with. It is a great read Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I've just taken over the phrase. > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > crankcase. > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > An: MadMarx > Cc: > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > >> How to test a PVC valve? >> >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: >> >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >> - and suck back >> >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >> >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >> The dimensions aren't important. >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >> >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >> for valve operating. >> >> Installed: >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >> /GcSEH >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >> >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 1 06:54:30 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:54:30 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <19E0A7F2-AA29-473E-8DF5-1B5373620DCF@aol.com> <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301ce0083$a9a37260$fcea5720$@com> Regardless of the name, it does work. Ive measured the pressure value with a gauge that read positive and negative values. I see very often negative values and very tiny positive values. Cheers Chris Von: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 14:49 An: MadMarx; Christopher Bock Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing Chris: I do believe you mean: PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock < SeaCubeCo at aol.com> wrote: From: Christopher Bock < SeaCubeCo at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing To: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com> Cc: "< fot at autox.team.net>" < fot at autox.team.net> Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM Just joking. PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing PCV. Particle control valve. Just having fun with. It is a great read Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" > wrote: > I've just taken over the phrase. > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > crankcase. > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com ] > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > An: MadMarx > Cc: > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" > wrote: > >> How to test a PVC valve? >> >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: >> >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >> - and suck back >> >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >> >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >> The dimensions aren't important. >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >> >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >> for valve operating. >> >> Installed: >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >> /GcSEH >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >> >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Feb 1 07:06:11 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39E76803-7782-4AFD-82A3-0D8EC8272041@aol.com> I think positive crankcase ventilation is the system and partial control valve is a tool in that process Terminology can be off but getting it to work is important. Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:49 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > Chris: I do believe you mean: > PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation > > --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock wrote: > > From: Christopher Bock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > To: "MadMarx" > Cc: "" > Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM > > Just joking. > > PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing > > PCV. Particle control valve. > > Just having fun with. > > It is a great read > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > > > I've just taken over the phrase. > > > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > > crankcase. > > > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----UrsprC > Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] > > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > > An: MadMarx > > Cc: > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > > > Chris > > > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > > > >> How to test a PVC valve? > >> > >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: > >> > >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover > >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) > >> - and suck back > >> > >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If > >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. > >> > >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. > >> The dimensions aren't important. > >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. > >> > >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring > >> for valve operating. > >> > >> Installed: > >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI > >> /GcSEH > >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers > >> Chris > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Feb 1 08:20:59 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:20:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking" I was working the race last weekend as a flagger. They had this TR8 in the Heritage Racer section of the infield, next to a nice Lotus powered Ford Cortina http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_3.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_1.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_2.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusCortina.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusPart.jpg Tough work, but someone has to do it; http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/NOSGirls.jpg mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri Feb 1 08:21:36 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:21:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <39E76803-7782-4AFD-82A3-0D8EC8272041@aol.com> References: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <39E76803-7782-4AFD-82A3-0D8EC8272041@aol.com> Message-ID: <1DFB97EB-A156-4AB4-994A-1393F138420E@virgin.net> Hi I haven't found the need for vacuuming and in fact I think it introduces another element of unreliability into the manifold, which I cannot tolerate when rallying as the opportunities to repair are so limited 'in the field/forests'. Perhaps this is something just for track cars which get short bursts of uses At constant high revs ?? I can't see any such system holding out with constant use in an endurance environment where revs vary between idle and maximum regularly. Also, if you are running in wet conditions or extremes of temperature I would expect a greater failure rate. Again, this is the world of rallying. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 1 Feb 2013, at 14:06, Christopher Bock wrote: > I think positive crankcase ventilation is the system and partial control > valve is a tool in that process > > Terminology can be off but getting it to work is important. > > Chris > > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:49 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > >> >> Chris: I do believe you mean: >> PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation >> >> --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock wrote: >> >> From: Christopher Bock >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing >> To: "MadMarx" >> Cc: "" >> Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM >> >> Just joking. >> >> PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing >> >> PCV. Particle control valve. >> >> Just having fun with. >> >> It is a great read >> Chris >> >> On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: >> >>> I've just taken over the phrase. >>> >>> I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the >>> crankcase. >>> >>> No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >>> >>> -----UrsprC>> Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 >>> An: MadMarx >>> Cc: >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing >>> >>> Are we talking about PVC or PCV? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: >>> >>>> How to test a PVC valve? >>>> >>>> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each > run: >>>> >>>> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >>>> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >>>> - and suck back >>>> >>>> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >>>> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >>>> >>>> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >>>> The dimensions aren't important. >>>> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >>>> >>>> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >>>> for valve operating. >>>> >>>> Installed: >>>> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >>>> /GcSEH >>>> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Chris >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From sjanzen at me.com Fri Feb 1 09:32:02 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:32:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D7B857A-49DF-4995-93C8-53063A9DB7D5@me.com> wow, I'm going to have to go to this someday to see all the cars - this is much more of a spectacle than the typical vintage event I go to. On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:20 AM, George Harmuth wrote: "The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking" I was working the race last weekend as a flagger. They had this TR8 in the Heritage Racer section of the infield, next to a nice Lotus powered Ford Cortina http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_3.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_1.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_2.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusCortina.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusPart.jpg Tough work, but someone has to do it; http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/NOSGirls.jpg mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Feb 1 10:02:44 2013 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:02:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tough work, but someone has to do it; Nice umbrellas!! On 2/1/13 9:20 AM, "George Harmuth" wrote: Tough work, but someone has to do it; John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3442561364_57204686] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Feb 1 10:04:18 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:04:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 HOURS OF DAYTONA PICTURES......now KASTNER CUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <9D7B857A-49DF-4995-93C8-53063A9DB7D5@me.com> References: <9D7B857A-49DF-4995-93C8-53063A9DB7D5@me.com> Message-ID: <8CFCEB54E6BBB6A-231C-650EC@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> A Group 44 prepared TR8 will likely be with us at the KASTNER CUP, not to mention the TR250K, a PLN tribute TR6, SCCA Championship cars, TRIUMPH SPECIALS, newly restored WET SLEEVE TRs and much, much more. Yesterday, I got a call from Colorado. The RMVR guys are planning to come....those guys usually stick close to the mountains. The Kastner Cup is not the 24 HOURS OF DAYTONA, but something very special is going on here. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: George Harmuth Cc: fot Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 10:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 wow, I'm going to have to go to this someday to see all the cars - this is much more of a spectacle than the typical vintage event I go to. On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:20 AM, George Harmuth wrote: "The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking" I was working the race last weekend as a flagger. They had this TR8 in the Heritage Racer section of the infield, next to a nice Lotus powered Ford Cortina http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Gro up44_3.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Gro up44_1.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Gro up44_2.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Lot usCortina.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Lot usPart.jpg Tough work, but someone has to do it; http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/NOS Girls.jpg mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Feb 1 14:41:59 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:41:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Umbrella holders In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Somewhere there is a picture floating around of me holding an umbrella over Jeff Snook last time FOT was at Road America. Jeff, I'd have to say you got the short end of the stick on that one! From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 1 15:20:13 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:20:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Umbrella holders Message-ID: <14ec7.4f926d39.3e3d999d@aol.com> In a message dated 02/01/2013 3:42:10 PM Central Standard Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > Somewhere there is a picture floating around of me holding an umbrella > over > Jeff Snook last time FOT was at Road America. Jeff, I'd have to say you > got > the short end of the stick on that one! > I remember that. It was neither sunny nor raining. Folks were just throwing stuff at Snook. I threw a roll of duct tape. Bill (Damdinger) From horizonracing at msn.com Sat Feb 2 09:30:39 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 08:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR 6 cyl R/rockers Message-ID: Good Morning, I have a lighty used set of Rollers for sale. They were used 2-3 events on the K car. No adjusters. $200 or BO Please contact me off list. Thank youTony From horizonracing at msn.com Sat Feb 2 10:07:50 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 09:07:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] R/Rockers SOLD Thx Message-ID: From joeg at neb.rr.com Sat Feb 2 12:31:24 2013 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:31:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01ce017b$e3483b10$a9d8b130$@rr.com> FOT, I find myself in need of wheels for a couple Spitfire vintage racers. Long story short - a "friend" who I was sub-letting some storage space from stopped paying his bill, and everything in the space was sold at auction. I lost three sets of polished aluminum dish wheels, two sets of Cosmic alloys, one set of really cool Compomotive alloys, and a couple sets of stock Spitfire wheels. That's not to mention the two Spitfires (one badly wrecked, one very restorable). Eh, life goes on... Anyway - if you have any Spitfire / GT6 wheels suitable for use on a race car that you are not using, please let me know what you need for them. I won't be able to replace everything I lost, but I need three sets of wheels pretty badly if I'm going to make the Kastner Cup in September. Joe Guinan Fremont, Nebraska joeg at neb.rr.com or Spitfirejoe at email.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Feb 3 09:18:49 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 08:18:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Chassis number Message-ID: <1359908329.30833.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: Does the small plate on the chassis cross member, under the front of the engine on a TR2-4 donate something? Is this a chassis #, a batch # from the chassis manufacturer? Who made the chassis for the TR2-4 for Triumph? Thanks in advance. -Ed- From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Feb 3 13:11:49 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 15:11:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky Message-ID: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Amici, It seems that Lanky has gotten a lot of well-deserved coverage lately (see also the Oct-Nov VTR magazine) but Jimmy hasn't been "in the lime light". In an effort to generate more interest in sponsoring an "ad" memorializing them in Levy's next book, I asked Kas to give me a write up about Jimmy. Here's Kas' note: Mike Cook is doing a very good memorial article of Jimmy for the VTR magazine and it will probably bet better than anything I can give you as it will all be repeats. But try this on: James Anthony Coan came to me in the middle of 1965 as a brash, aggressive young guy who said he wanted to work at a challenging job. I gave him the opportunity with a 18" wide broom. Broom engineering lasted a couple weeks and then it was obvious he really had some interest in what we were doing and the complication of running a department that was working all over the country with a minimum of assistance from the mother factory. With his basic mechanical knowledge gained working at a dealership, Jim put his head into helping build a series of cars for the 1966 Sebring 12 hour event. This was his first test of showing devotion to his job. The hours spent in that effort were quite incredible. From this rather harsh test of abilities, I then heaped work on him. Jimmy responded at the top of the page every time. It was not the effort as a mechanic that I found and later treasured, but the devotion to his job and interest in learning everything he could about every aspect of working in a technical arena with close inspection all the time from outside sources. Jim's response to more and more detailed assignments gave the answers that I wanted and were needed to further the competition departments goals of assisting private owners. When I resigned from British Leyland it was a great pleasure to recommend Jimmy Coan as my replacement. Jimmy was my loyal and very good friend. Our friendship and trust continued long after our Triumph days and through the very last hours of his life. In case you haven't seen the artwork, here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well short of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls send me a note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list of pledges. tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 13:27:36 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:27:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <2424B429-80EE-4AA3-9B7E-30E17E01795E@bnj.com> Hi Jim. I'll kick in a hundred. Your email address will work for a paypal payment. Is that OK with you? On Feb 3, 2013, at 10:11 AM, "J.C. Hassall" wrote: > Amici, > > It seems that Lanky has gotten a lot of well-deserved coverage lately (see also the Oct-Nov VTR magazine) but Jimmy hasn't been "in the lime light". In an effort to generate more interest in sponsoring an "ad" memorializing them in Levy's next book, I asked Kas to give me a write up about Jimmy. Here's Kas' note: > > Mike Cook is doing a very good memorial article of Jimmy for the VTR magazine and it will probably bet better than anything I can give you as it will all be repeats. But try this on: > > James Anthony Coan came to me in the middle of 1965 as a brash, aggressive young guy who said he wanted to work at a challenging job. I gave him the opportunity with a 18" wide broom. Broom engineering lasted a couple weeks and then it was obvious he really had some interest in what we were doing and the complication of running a department that was working all over the country with a minimum of assistance from the mother factory. > > With his basic mechanical knowledge gained working at a dealership, Jim put his head into helping build a series of cars for the 1966 Sebring 12 hour event. This was his first test of showing devotion to his job. The hours spent in that effort were quite incredible. From this rather harsh test of abilities, I then heaped work on him. Jimmy responded at the top of the page every time. > > It was not the effort as a mechanic that I found and later treasured, but the devotion to his job and interest in learning everything he could about every aspect of working in a technical arena with close inspection all the time from outside sources. Jim's response to more and more detailed assignments gave the answers that I wanted and were needed to further the competition departments goals of assisting private owners. When I resigned from British Leyland it was a great pleasure to recommend Jimmy Coan as my replacement. Jimmy was my loyal and very good friend. Our friendship and trust continued long after our Triumph days and through the very last hours of his life. > > > In case you haven't seen the artwork, here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ > > I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well short of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls send me a note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list of pledges. > > tnx > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Feb 3 14:31:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <510ED714.5010506@bradakis.com> > I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well > short of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls > send me a note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list > of pledges. > > tnx > > jim > The company I am currently working with takes their own sweet time paying on the invoices I send. If I get a decent check before the 11th, I'll kick in a few bucks. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 3 15:45:18 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:45:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: Please list a mailing address so I can send a check. Maybe some other folks need it also. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 15:11:49 -0500 > From: jhassall at blacksburg.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky > > Amici, > > It seems that Lanky has gotten a lot of well-deserved coverage lately > (see also the Oct-Nov VTR magazine) but Jimmy hasn't been "in the lime > light". In an effort to generate more interest in sponsoring an "ad" > memorializing them in Levy's next book, I asked Kas to give me a write > up about Jimmy. Here's Kas' note: > > Mike Cook is doing a very good memorial article of Jimmy for the VTR > magazine and it will probably bet better than anything I can give you as > it will all be repeats. But try this on: > > James Anthony Coan came to me in the middle of 1965 as a brash, > aggressive young guy who said he wanted to work at a challenging job. I > gave him the opportunity with a 18" wide broom. Broom > engineering lasted a couple weeks and then it was obvious he really had > some interest in what we were doing and the complication of running a > department that was working all over the country with a minimum of > assistance from the mother factory. > > With his basic mechanical knowledge gained working at a dealership, Jim > put his head into helping build a series of cars for the 1966 Sebring 12 > hour event. This was his first test of showing devotion to his job. The > hours spent in that effort were quite incredible. From this rather harsh > test of abilities, I then heaped work on him. Jimmy responded at the top > of the page every time. > > It was not the effort as a mechanic that I found and later treasured, > but the devotion to his job and interest in learning everything he could > about every aspect of working in a technical arena with close inspection > all the time from outside sources. Jim's response to more and more > detailed assignments gave the answers that I wanted and were needed to > further the competition departments goals of assisting private owners. > When I resigned from British Leyland it was a great pleasure to > recommend Jimmy Coan as my replacement. Jimmy was my loyal and very > good friend. Our friendship and trust continued long after our Triumph > days and through the very last hours of his life. > > > In case you haven't seen the artwork, here's the link: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ > > I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well short > of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls send me a > note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list of pledges. > > tnx > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Feb 3 18:35:14 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:35:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <510F1052.2010906@blacksburg.net> On 2/3/2013 5:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Please list a mailing address so I can send a check. Maybe some other > folks need it also. > > Never be beaten by equipment Tnx Kas, I appreciate it. My address is J.C. Hassall 103 Airport Rd. Blacksburg VA 24060 Pls provide a return address, so if we don't make critical mass I can return the check. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Feb 3 19:57:03 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:57:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Chassis number In-Reply-To: <20130203223001.E3ORJ.40732.root@cdptpa-web26-z01> Message-ID: <1359946623.17957.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all for all the replies. Revision/batch level makes sense. I have three restorations I am currently working on, a TR3, a TR3A, and a 3B. Each have a number starting with Z, and each model has a higher number after the Z. Whats curious is that even the 3B has the bracket for the fuel shut-off valve, although the valve had stopped being used years earlier. Some bloke at the frame factory kept welding that bracket on, year after year, because some engineer forget to delete it from the drawing, or some supervisor forgot to tell the guy they deleted it That would never happen in a modern Chinese factory. Some comrade gets an extra ration of fish heads and rice for a cost savings idea. :O) Thanks - Ed --- On Sun, 2/3/13, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Chassis number To: "EDWARD BARNARD" Date: Sunday, February 3, 2013, 4:30 PM The Z number notes to a frame design it changes as mods to the frame are made throught the production tom ---- EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group: > Does the small plate on the chassis cross member, under the front of the engine on a TR2-4 donate something? Is this a chassis #, a batch # from the chassis manufacturer? Who made the chassis for the TR2-4 for Triumph? > Thanks in advance. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Feb 4 15:37:05 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:37:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Autoweek article on George Waltman Message-ID: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I saw this this morning on my daily Autoweek email update. Figured the group would enjoy this. A different time for sure. http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130203/GRAND_AM/130209955?utm_source=Racing 20130203&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article4&utm_content=20130203-Rolex- 24,-racing-iron-man-Geroge-Waltman-dies&utm_campaign=awRacing Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From sjanzen at me.com Mon Feb 4 15:43:07 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:43:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Autoweek article on George Waltman In-Reply-To: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Fantastic! On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: I saw this this morning on my daily Autoweek email update. Figured the group would enjoy this. A different time for sure. http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130203/GRAND_AM/130209955?utm_source=Racing 20130203&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article4&utm_content=20130203-Rolex- 24,-racing-iron-man-Geroge-Waltman-dies&utm_campaign=awRacing Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Feb 4 15:49:29 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:49:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Autoweek article on George Waltman In-Reply-To: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Coincidentally, there's a white Morgan listed for sale in the latest SCCA magazine. Says it has significant history, and says the reason for sale is octogenarianism. On Feb 4, 2013 5:37 PM, "Mike Mehl" wrote: > I saw this this morning on my daily Autoweek email update. Figured the > group would enjoy this. A different time for sure. > > > http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130203/GRAND_AM/130209955?utm_source=Racing > > 20130203&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article4&utm_content=20130203-Rolex- > 24,-racing-iron-man-Geroge-Waltman-dies&utm_campaign=awRacing > > Mike Mehl #46 > TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/donmarshall at nefcom.net From rikrock at live.com Mon Feb 4 16:47:02 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Octogenarianism Message-ID: Wow, the Morgan is up for sale. Michael Mulroney was a regular at SCCA regional races at Summit Point with that car. Tow the car to the track on an open trailer behind his pickup. Did it almost always without any help, in spite of his age. Rich Rock From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 17:21:52 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:21:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Octogenarianism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37103361-A53B-457B-941B-63EF194C4B5B@gmail.com> He also sold is GN/Morgan contraption last year -- a 1926 Morgan three wheeler with a GN rear axle to make it into a single seater 4-wheeler. He gave up on the Blackburne V-twin (last time I saw him run it at Road America it was spouting steam like a teakettle) and mounted a Harley shovelhead. Duncan On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > Wow, the Morgan is up for sale. Michael Mulroney was a regular at SCCA > regional races at Summit Point with that car. Tow the car to the track on an > open trailer behind his pickup. Did it almost always without any help, in > spite of his age. > > Rich Rock From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 5 17:20:45 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 16:20:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Great Spitfire photo Message-ID: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> I think you'll like this RB https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/69282_333603943423338_1663745817_ n.jpg From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Feb 5 20:21:57 2013 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 21:21:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001601ce0419$1ec8e960$5c5abc20$@rr.com> Friends, Thanks for the many responses to my inquiry. I've purchased a set of TR7 alloys (thanks to FOT Russ Moore for suggesting TR7 wheels and FOT Kevin Lynch for reminding me to check Craigslist), a set of "new" Magnesium Minilites (thanks to FOT Paul MacDonald for the eBay link), and will soon purchase some Minator Minilite copies (from FOT Scott Barr - who may also have the missing spare wheel for the trailer I use!) and a set of stock steelies for cost of shipping only from FOT member Christopher Bock. The TR7 wheels are off local Craigslist from one of my best friends in our local Brit Car Club. I didn't even know he had them, let alone that he was selling them. Got an offer of some other minilite copies from a North American Spitfire Squadron member - but they were pricey. He may have some other racing parts I may find use for, though. My big question - How worried should I be about cracking the Magnesium wheels? Use them for rain tires only? Thanks FOT! What a (non)-Club! Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:31:24 -0600 From: "Joe Guinan" To: Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: <001b01ce017b$e3483b10$a9d8b130$@rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FOT, I find myself in need of wheels for a couple Spitfire vintage racers. Long story short - a "friend" who I was sub-letting some storage space from stopped paying his bill, and everything in the space was sold at auction. I lost three sets of polished aluminum dish wheels, two sets of Cosmic alloys, one set of really cool Compomotive alloys, and a couple sets of stock Spitfire wheels. That's not to mention the two Spitfires (one badly wrecked, one very restorable). Eh, life goes on... Anyway - if you have any Spitfire / GT6 wheels suitable for use on a race car that you are not using, please let me know what you need for them. I won't be able to replace everything I lost, but I need three sets of wheels pretty badly if I'm going to make the Kastner Cup in September. Joe Guinan Fremont, Nebraska joeg at neb.rr.com or Spitfirejoe at email.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Feb 5 21:23:58 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:23:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> Message-ID: <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a TR6? Thanks, Jim From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 21:59:55 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum firm. Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do not lie and so I am running with 1 degree. What do you think Garmey and Babcock? On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a > TR6? > Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 5 23:22:30 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 06:22:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud>, <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: It depends on how it handles for your style of driving. 2 degrees sounds like way too much. One degree seems about right. When the squat or conerning roll comes in, that negative increases a lot. Thus so does the understeer (that's Mr. Slow). Tire temps are not reliable unless they are taken almost instantly when leaving the last corner. Not with a heat gun either, but must be with a needle probe. With the kind of tires used in this type of racing I don't really think they mean ANYTHING. Get some feel into it. Your ass will tell you when it is good. Unless you have swing axles negative camber is SLOW SLOW SLOW. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 > > Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound > springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum firm. > Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. > Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do not > lie and so I am running with 1 degree. > > What do you think Garmey and Babcock? > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > > > Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a > > TR6? > > Thanks, Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 07:42:04 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:42:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <514F0AFA-8A8B-4851-A226-C16833BFB95A@yahoo.com> With bias ply tires I use 3/4 neg, 1/16 toe in with 600# Springs a 1.5 hollow adjustable sway bar and a Lincoln Locker. I have a slight bit of oversteer. Always run take-off tires from higher level drivers. (thanks Sam) I do use a probe type pyrometer. Car is 2160 to 2200 as raced. >From what I saw last spring Tony doesn't spend enough time on the ground to build much heat into his tires.:-) How much does the TR250K weigh anyway? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > It depends on how it handles for your style of driving. 2 degrees sounds > like way too much. One degree seems about right. When the squat or conerning > roll comes in, that negative increases a lot. Thus so does the understeer > (that's Mr. Slow). Tire temps are not reliable unless they are taken almost > instantly when leaving the last corner. Not with a heat gun either, but must > be with a needle probe. With the kind of tires used in this type of racing I > don't really think they mean ANYTHING. Get some feel into it. Your ass will > tell you when it is good. Unless you have swing axles negative camber is SLOW > SLOW SLOW. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 >> From: triosan at gmail.com >> To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 >> >> Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound >> springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum firm. >> Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. >> Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do not >> lie and so I am running with 1 degree. >> >> What do you think Garmey and Babcock? >> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn > wrote: >> >>> Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a >>> TR6? >>> Thanks, Jim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Feb 6 07:53:53 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:53:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what it takes. See below. Second please. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "FoodDude" Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 To: 'MORDY DUNST' Cc: 'Henry Frye' Subject: RE: website Hi Mordy, After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school (only), I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we determined that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage race events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include participation in other National events across the country this year and next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the Vintage series. We have now: 1975 Tr6 1962 TR4 1963 TR4 1964 Spitfire Racer 1960 TR6 Chump Racer Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another Stag in my future! Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called BeanitosR, the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES to autocross). We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event this month. Cheers, Dave Foreman Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com Cell: 512-576-1933 From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM To: FoodDude Cc: Henry Frye Subject: Re: website Dave> Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few sentances summary. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com Dunroth Farm, Inc Capt. Black's Beef Jerky Capt. Black's Hot Sauce 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT - 8 This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: FoodDude To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: website Hello, The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in Firefox. Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with FOT? Thanks, Dave Foreman Hill Country Triumph Club Triumph Stag Club USA No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Feb 6 08:10:14 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:10:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CFD29333327424-1E4C-3826@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> Of course! Welcome aboard! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: gasket.works To: FOT ; Mark J Bradakis Sent: Wed, Feb 6, 2013 8:59 am Subject: [Fot] Nomination Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what it takes. See below. Second please. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "FoodDude" Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 To: 'MORDY DUNST' Cc: 'Henry Frye' Subject: RE: website Hi Mordy, After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school (only), I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we determined that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage race events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include participation in other National events across the country this year and next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the Vintage series. We have now: 1975 Tr6 1962 TR4 1963 TR4 1964 Spitfire Racer 1960 TR6 Chump Racer Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another Stag in my future! Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called BeanitosR, the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES to autocross). We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event this month. Cheers, Dave Foreman Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com Cell: 512-576-1933 From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM To: FoodDude Cc: Henry Frye Subject: Re: website Dave> Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few sentances summary. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com Dunroth Farm, Inc Capt. Black's Beef Jerky Capt. Black's Hot Sauce 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT - 8 This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: FoodDude To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: website Hello, The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in Firefox. Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with FOT? Thanks, Dave Foreman Hill Country Triumph Club Triumph Stag Club USA No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Feb 6 08:33:41 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 07:33:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <514F0AFA-8A8B-4851-A226-C16833BFB95A@yahoo.com> References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud>, <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , <514F0AFA-8A8B-4851-A226-C16833BFB95A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: The "K" Car Hoosier speedsters450-500 lb rear springs5/8-3/4 ? solid rear bar (the org. with ground flat spot from the sebring wheel failure still there)Camber ? toe..see abovequaife LSDcar weighs 2200 give or take.Car does have it's handling issues. Still has the rubber/poly bushings etc. but it is what is...... > From: fasttrs at yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:42:04 -0600 > To: kaskas at cox.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 > > With bias ply tires I use 3/4 neg, 1/16 toe in with 600# Springs a 1.5 hollow > adjustable sway bar and a Lincoln Locker. I have a slight bit of oversteer. > Always run take-off tires from higher level drivers. (thanks Sam) > I do use a probe type pyrometer. > Car is 2160 to 2200 as raced. > From what I saw last spring Tony doesn't spend enough time on the ground to > build much heat into his tires.:-) > How much does the TR250K weigh anyway? > > Mike > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > It depends on how it handles for your style of driving. 2 degrees sounds > > like way too much. One degree seems about right. When the squat or > conerning > > roll comes in, that negative increases a lot. Thus so does the understeer > > (that's Mr. Slow). Tire temps are not reliable unless they are taken almost > > instantly when leaving the last corner. Not with a heat gun either, but > must > > be with a needle probe. With the kind of tires used in this type of racing > I > > don't really think they mean ANYTHING. Get some feel into it. Your ass > will > > tell you when it is good. Unless you have swing axles negative camber is > SLOW > > SLOW SLOW. > > > > Never be beaten by equipment > >> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 > >> From: triosan at gmail.com > >> To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > >> CC: fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 > >> > >> Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound > >> springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum > firm. > >> Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. > >> Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do > not > >> lie and so I am running with 1 degree. > >> > >> What do you think Garmey and Babcock? > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn > > wrote: > >> > >>> Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a > >>> TR6? > >>> Thanks, Jim > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Feb 6 09:38:21 2013 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 11:38:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chicago British car swap meet Message-ID: <511286FD.9050102@bright.net> Hello List(s). The Chicago swap meet is just around the corner - Feb. 24. This is a good event. If you haven't been to it, it is worth attending. Details can be found at www.britishcarswap.info. If you are a first time attendee, go early. The show hours are supposedly until 3 pm but you will not find anyone there much after 1. We will be in our usual spaces in building 2. If you want me to bring anything, please let me know. (free freight is good). Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From triosan at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 09:43:48 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:43:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Anyone who races a TR6 gets my vote! On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:53 AM, wrote: > Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what > it takes. See below. Second please. > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "FoodDude" > Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 > To: 'MORDY DUNST' > Cc: 'Henry Frye' > Subject: RE: website > > Hi Mordy, > > After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school > (only), > I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a > vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we > determined > that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be > about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a > vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me > from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage > race > events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the > vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the > Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams > practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include > participation in other National events across the country this year and > next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas > World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at > Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then > off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the > Vintage series. > > > > We have now: > > 1975 Tr6 > > 1962 TR4 > > 1963 TR4 > > 1964 Spitfire Racer > > 1960 TR6 Chump Racer > > Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another > Stag in my future! > > > > Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag > Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) > > > > I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called > BeanitosR, > the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES > to autocross). > > > > We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks > considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already > collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at > least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event > this month. > > > > Cheers, > > Dave Foreman > > Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com > > Cell: 512-576-1933 > > > > From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM > To: FoodDude > Cc: Henry Frye > Subject: Re: website > > > > Dave> > > > > Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few > sentances summary. > > > > > > Mordy > > > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > Dunroth Farm, Inc > Capt. Black's Beef Jerky > Capt. Black's Hot Sauce > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT - 8 > This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, > undisclosed > or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in > error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of > it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail > or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank > you > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: FoodDude > > To: gasket.works at gte.net > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM > > Subject: website > > > > Hello, > > The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in > Firefox. > > > > Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed > by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with > FOT? > > > > Thanks, > > Dave Foreman > > Hill Country Triumph Club > > Triumph Stag Club USA > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 10:00:40 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:00:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Anyone that races a TR6 gets my condolences! Welcome !! Mike #28 EP TR6 Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > Anyone who races a TR6 gets my vote! > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:53 AM, From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Feb 6 11:00:55 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:00:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi - 2 degrees negative may work for radials, but that's too much camber for bias tires. Plus, as Kas pointed out, the dynamic camber change on the TR IRS is pretty big... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From atr6racer at hotmail.com Wed Feb 6 11:13:15 2013 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:13:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I cured this problem with an entire re-worked double A-arm rear suspension on my SCCA car. But on my other race TR6's I would actually set my rear camber with a half degree POSITIVE camber to help keep the car from excessive negative camber under power. Sam Halkias On Feb 6, 2013, at 1:03 PM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote: > Hi - 2 degrees negative may work for radials, but that's too much camber for bias tires. Plus, as Kas pointed out, the dynamic camber change on the TR IRS is pretty big... > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Feb 6 11:46:32 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:46:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <06CFDAE1-5783-4DA6-A4F7-33DF7F67D9A3@austin.rr.com> Shame on me for not nominating Dave. He picked up the Lemon's TR6 from me Saturday and told me about the Spitfire so I could pass the info on to another potential racer. Then he decided to buy the Spit too! The TR6 was languishing unused, having completed two Lemons races and Dave will put it to good use. He is taking the CVAR driving school at the end if this month. With him and Robert Mackenzie we will have 4 Spits, 4 TR4's, a GT6, a TR3 and two TR powered Morgans active in TXFoT. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Mike Munson wrote: > Anyone that races a TR6 gets my condolences! > Welcome !! > > Mike > #28 EP TR6 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 6, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" > wrote: > >> Anyone who races a TR6 gets my vote! >> >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:53 AM, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From igofaster at att.net Wed Feb 6 13:08:14 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:08:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1360181294.62357.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> and he's from TEXAS! 2nd! Bobby ________________________________ From: "gasket.works at gte.net" To: FOT ; Mark J Bradakis Sent: Wed, February 6, 2013 8:59:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what it takes. See below. Second please. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "FoodDude" Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 To: 'MORDY DUNST' Cc: 'Henry Frye' Subject: RE: website Hi Mordy, After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school (only), I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we determined that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage race events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include participation in other National events across the country this year and next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the Vintage series. We have now: 1975 Tr6 1962 TR4 1963 TR4 1964 Spitfire Racer 1960 TR6 Chump Racer Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another Stag in my future! Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called BeanitosR, the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES to autocross). We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event this month. Cheers, Dave Foreman Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com Cell: 512-576-1933 From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM To: FoodDude Cc: Henry Frye Subject: Re: website Dave> Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few sentances summary. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com Dunroth Farm, Inc Capt. Black's Beef Jerky Capt. Black's Hot Sauce 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT - 8 This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: FoodDude To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: website Hello, The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in Firefox. Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with FOT? Thanks, Dave Foreman Hill Country Triumph Club Triumph Stag Club USA No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 6 14:17:03 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:17:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> Those of you who know of my passion for cooking will not be surprised to know I added him just because of the 'FoodDude' reference, Triumphs not considered ;-) mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Feb 7 07:56:15 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:56:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] My new tow car.... In-Reply-To: <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <002701ce0543$4905aee0$db110ca0$@com> http://www.hummerforum.de/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=225&image_i d=1403 Cheers Chris From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu Feb 7 20:08:02 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 21:08:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> FOT Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to see the results. I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. My questions are: Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the radiator? Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? What is the difference? Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of the block? Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? Thanks, Greg From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 7 20:14:34 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My new tow car.... References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> <002701ce0543$4905aee0$db110ca0$@com> Message-ID: Chris, thanks for the info. Now if my grandmother Gossmann was still alive, she could translate it for me! Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [Fot] My new tow car.... > http://www.hummerforum.de/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=225&image_i > d=1403 > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Feb 7 21:42:21 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:42:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> Message-ID: You should see in the neighborhood of 30 psi on the engine side of the t-stat housing and in the vicinity of the radiator cap's pressure relief value on the upper radiator hose, probably around 10 psi. Tony Drews At 09:08 PM 2/7/2013, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >FOT > > > >Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to >see the results. > > > >I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 >and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct >spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the >top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. >For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a >welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and >the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style >radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and >the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the >hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping >directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater >port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the >suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I >have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will >first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am >guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the >pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. > > > >My questions are: > >Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the >radiator? > >Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? > >What is the difference? > >Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top >radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of >the block? > >Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Greg >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 8 09:29:03 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:29:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> Greg... While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help but chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time you drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when he had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' was one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an indication of its importance with our TR engines. Bill Dentinger From sjanzen at me.com Fri Feb 8 12:28:22 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:28:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes Message-ID: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com> looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4-Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 From rikrock at live.com Fri Feb 8 12:41:12 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:41:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes Message-ID: Interesting intake manifold modification! Rich Rock ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen Sent: 2/8/2013 2:29 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4 -Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Feb 8 14:45:29 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:45:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> Message-ID: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Greg, I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. Larry Young On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to > see the results. > > > > I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 > and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct > spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the > top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. > For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a > welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and > the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style > radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and > the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the > hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping > directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater > port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the > suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I > have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will > first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am > guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the > pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. > > > > My questions are: > > Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the > radiator? > > Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? > > What is the difference? > > Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top > radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of > the block? > > Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Feb 8 14:55:49 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:55:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes In-Reply-To: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com> References: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com> Message-ID: <7ff7fe8e881b55b91ffd439b5c4f1f2c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Bidding has ended... John On Fri, February 8, 2013 2:28 pm, Scott Janzen wrote: > looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4-Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Feb 8 15:23:00 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Message-ID: I now have the car & can attest that it works well. Like Kas told us, though, you need to take your time & make sure you he ALL the air out. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Greg, > I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. > Larry Young > > On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >> Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to >> see the results. >> >> >> I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 >> and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct >> spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the >> top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. >> For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a >> welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and >> the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style >> radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and >> the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the >> hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping >> directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater >> port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the >> suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I >> have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will >> first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am >> guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the >> pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. >> >> >> My questions are: >> >> Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the >> radiator? >> >> Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? >> >> What is the difference? >> >> Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top >> radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of >> the block? >> >> Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Feb 8 15:24:18 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:24:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Message-ID: <9B54F804-8953-4F53-A388-7A6BF7C4CBF4@gdhs.com> PS: Larry, I think the cap is 14 lbs. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Greg, > I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. > Larry Young > > On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >> Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to >> see the results. >> >> >> I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 >> and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct >> spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the >> top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. >> For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a >> welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and >> the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style >> radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and >> the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the >> hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping >> directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater >> port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the >> suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I >> have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will >> first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am >> guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the >> pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. >> >> >> My questions are: >> >> Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the >> radiator? >> >> Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? >> >> What is the difference? >> >> Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top >> radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of >> the block? >> >> Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Fri Feb 8 16:16:56 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:16:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1360365416.77897.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Greg; I used a Ford Radiator from Jegs. I also used the expansion tank from Jegs and put it where the battery box is. I plumbed out of the back of the head into the tank and out of the tank into the waterpump. I have never had water temps over 180F even on 95 degree days. I fill up the radiator first. Cap it off and then fill up the expansion tank to about 1" from the top and I am good to go. This gets the whole system full. I have the expansion tank because the radiator sits lower than a stock radiator and it allows me to get the system full of water. I use Parker 801 push lok hose to plumb the tank. If you like email me off line and I can send you some photos. Mike Mehl ________________________________ From: Larry Young To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Greg, I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. Larry Young On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to > see the results. > > > I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 > and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct > spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the > top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. > For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a > welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and > the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style > radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and > the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the > hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping > directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater > port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the > suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I > have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will > first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am > guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the > pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. > > > My questions are: > > Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the > radiator? > > Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? > > What is the difference? > > Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top > radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of > the block? > > Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? > > > Thanks, > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri Feb 8 17:45:32 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:45:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Message-ID: Wow! I have not seen this video before. This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) I think you will like this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Feb 8 18:29:59 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:29:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360373399.71037.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, that was very interesting and fun to watch. The commentator must have been a popular British voice of the time as I believe he did motorcycle trials as well. ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Fri, February 8, 2013 4:50:42 PM Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Wow! I have not seen this video before. This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) I think you will like this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 19:15:52 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:15:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video References: Message-ID: thanks Jason,,great video..I posted it on Facebook RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: "triumph friends" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:45 PM Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video > Wow! > I have not seen this video before. > This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) > I think you will like this! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Feb 8 21:36:50 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 23:36:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFD49635EC2AAA-1778-1AC7F@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com> Have watched this on You Tube on several occasions, just makes me anxious to get behind the wheel of my Spit GT out onto an autocross course. Current project on my car is replicating windows for the doors as on the factory cars. I'll be a bit drier at damp events with windows in the doors. Cheers, Bob T, '64 Spitfire GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 7:50 pm Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Wow! have not seen this video before. his is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) think you will like this! ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Feb 9 07:53:29 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:53:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Great find!!!!!! Race cars from the day were just so elegant, by and large. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 7:45 PM Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Wow! I have not seen this video before. This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) I think you will like this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 11:34:50 2013 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 seat Message-ID: <1181178781.1042360.1360434890267.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Anyone have a nice pair of TR6 seat tracks/mounting brackets they'd part with? Please contact me off list. Thanks, Ed Woods From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Feb 8 11:09:39 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:09:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <4A18B494050A4337BFF3CA0FC1EC4073@hpd530> I agree, Bill. On my TR6 engine, where the the heater pipe comes out of the head at the rear, I removed the pipe and installed a petcock for bleeding out air. Easy to do and it seems to work. Of course, I don't have a heater in the car. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Greg... > > While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help > but > chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time > you > drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end > up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when > he > had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' > was > one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an > indication of its importance with our TR engines. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Feb 8 12:26:16 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:26:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bill, can you outline a good procedure for getting all of the air out of the system? Jim ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, February 8, 2013 8:39:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Greg... While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help but chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time you drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when he had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' was one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an indication of its importance with our TR engines. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Feb 8 16:55:53 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:55:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes In-Reply-To: <7ff7fe8e881b55b91ffd439b5c4f1f2c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com>, <7ff7fe8e881b55b91ffd439b5c4f1f2c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: I'd say well bought. Hope the new owner get to enjoy it. > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:55:49 -0500 > From: rjl6n at cstone.net > To: sjanzen at me.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes > > Bidding has ended... > > John > > On Fri, February 8, 2013 2:28 pm, Scott Janzen wrote: > > looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4 -Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Feb 9 20:16:11 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 21:16:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <27375.1360466171@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Most persons around here racing TR's take the heater outlet from the head and route it back to the water pump for increased flow through the back of the head. My self included on my TR6. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Fri 08/02/13 10:09 AM , "Bill Tobin" william.tobin31 at verizon.net sent: I agree, Bill. On my TR6 engine, where the the heater pipe comes out of the head at the rear, I removed the pipe and installed a petcock for bleeding out air. Easy to do and it seems to work. Of course, I don't have a heater in the car. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Greg... > > While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help > but > chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time > you > drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end > up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when > he > had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' > was > one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an > indication of its importance with our TR engines. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > > > http://www.fot-racing.com [5] > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [6] > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [7] > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [8] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [9] _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [13] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [14] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [15] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [16] Links: ------ [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [8] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [9] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fwilliam.tobin31%40verizon.net [12] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [13] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [14] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [15] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [16] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 10 10:33:34 2013 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 seat tracks Message-ID: <748683528.1068245.1360517614393.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> List, B Found 'em , thanks to these lists. Thanks for all the responses. B Also found that new ones are available from TRF (and perhaps others) for around $80 each. B Ed Woods From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Feb 9 19:18:58 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 21:18:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> Hi, I have a large plastic funnel that fits snugly in my rad fill opening. I start pouring water in with both the petcocks open on the block; the one on the side behind the headers, and the one on top where the heater pipe was. Because the funnel is about a foot tall and doesn't leak coolant out where the neck goes into the rad, I have a volume of coolant in the funnel that extends above the block by several inches. And a little more gravity helping. When coolant comes out the lower petcock, I close it and wait for coolant to come out the top one, then close it. Seems to work ok. When the system is full and the partly full funnel is pulled out of the rad, some fluid will slop around, but it's easily cleaned up. Does this make sense? Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Bill, can you outline a good procedure for getting all of the air out of > the > system? Jim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "BillDentin at aol.com" > > To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Fri, > February 8, 2013 8:39:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Greg... > > While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l > help but > chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every > time you > drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you > will end > up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even > when he > had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling > system' was > one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is > an > indication of its importance with our TR engines. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 10 07:43:25 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:43:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It looks to me like it didn't sell. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 5:56 PM > To: rjl6n at cstone.net; sjanzen at me.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes > > I'd say well bought. Hope the new owner get to enjoy it. > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:55:49 -0500 > > From: rjl6n at cstone.net > > To: sjanzen at me.com > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes > > > > Bidding has ended... > > > > John > > > > On Fri, February 8, 2013 2:28 pm, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-an d- > TR4 > -Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_11 82 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 10 07:45:29 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:45:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CAN-AM REUNION. 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I do have a bleeder (petcock) on the thermostat housing, on the right side. I forgot that one. The temp sender goes in the left side. It's tough getting old, you start forgetting things! My 86 year old cousin Marion tells me "You aint seen nothing yet!" You're right, it is the highest point and the last one to close. Thanks again. Bill From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 11 07:29:39 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:29:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <2012.87d6738.3e4a5a53@aol.com> Amici... All good advice, but of course...Kas covers this entire cooling system subject on pages 154 through 156 of his most recent 'TRIUMPH PREPARATION HANDBOOK'. Any TRIUMPH aficionado who does not have that (and his other books) is missing the boat. Bill Dentinger From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Feb 13 09:21:38 2013 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:21:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt application Message-ID: <000001ce0a06$33ba1e00$9b2e5a00$@hot-tr6.com> Can any FOT member please give me the ARP part number for main bearing cap bolts for a TR6? Thank You, Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 09:25:04 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:25:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination. Message-ID: <0AA6BBD2-4CBE-4EE7-8157-7E02034E0BB3@yahoo.com> I would like to nominate a potential new member to the FOT . What steps do I need to take to move this great Triumph forward in the process? Jay From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Feb 13 09:37:52 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:37:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt application References: <000001ce0a06$33ba1e00$9b2e5a00$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <848B6EAEC5A8438385E6C63E7743136C@Charly> http://goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=18 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Hollowell" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:21 AM Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt application > Can any FOT member please give me the ARP part number for main bearing cap > bolts for a TR6? > > Thank You, > > Walt Hollowell > > Albuquerque, NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Feb 13 11:31:21 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Tube shock conversion on a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360780281.26234.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've got the type of conversion unit that uses three boxed angle brackets and attaches through the body. My question relates to the piece of sheet rubber supplied to go on top of the lowest (and largest) bracket between the bracket and the body. I would think in the race application that this rubber should be left out and I have added a piece of 14 gauge steel on top of the body layer (horizonal in the trunk) that I may or may not weld in place. Does anyone have any thoughts on this particular area of this type conversion? Thanks, Jim From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 16:49:54 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:49:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 78 Spitfire project car for sale Message-ID: <1360799394.21366.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> It pains me to say this, but... I need to sell one of my Spitfires. It is a 1978 Triumph Spitfire 1500. It was going to be my racer. I have taken a few things off to start on rebuilding it, so I have all the parts that were originally on it, except the original starter and hard top windows. There is some rust on the floor pan and lower rockers. It is in a lot better shape than Gertrude(my 71 MKIV) when I started working on her. I need to sell it fast. Clear title. Please email me if you are interested. I am attaching a couple pics of it from a year and a half ago. In one of the pics, it is the green one and not the blue one! I must emphasize that. The blue one is not, and will never be for sale! It has sat under a car cover since then, and I feel bad that I have accumulated another Spitfire ('80 1500) that is in great shape, pushing this one off and relinquishing it's duties as the "racer". Please let me know if you are interested. You can call me at 515-339-4228 or email me back for more info. Thanks everyone! Shawn Frank [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 62910_144462505597477_100001011850470_208463_1280430_n.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 24985_101828799860848_3021280_n.jpg] From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Feb 13 19:08:21 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:08:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> Message-ID: <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On a 74 TR6, I am installing on older tube shock conversion (boxed angle plates attached through the body). Does anyone know a good starting adjustment for series 80 Konis on the rear for autocrossing? It has heavy duty full length springs. Thanks, Jim From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Feb 14 10:16:33 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:16:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'm a long-time TR6 autocrosser. My suggestion would be to go to full stiff on the settings and then try to back off 'till the car isn't completely tail-happy. You are much better off with stiff shocks / springs in the rear than with a big roll bar because with the roll bar you'll lift the inside wheel and get wheel spin (unless you have a Detroit locker or maybe a Salisbury type). I know this from experience. With a Quaife or open diff, you will get wheel spin. I've done the big bar on my street TR6 (used to run that car in SCCA FSP) and with the race car (SCCA F Prepared). Stiff springs get you less body roll, less "squat" on take-off at the expense of making the back a little bit more loose (depends on how stiff the springs are). On rough courses, the car will be really tail happy, but that's the tradeoff. I hope this helps. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 12:21:54 2013 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:21:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> Well, my advice would be not to put that monstrosity on your car, let alone Autocross with it - unless you really like doing body and frame repair. Pardon by bluntness, but I can't understand why these things are still in use - I'd be surprised if at least half this list hasn't experienced, seen, or at least heard about the damage they can cause. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2013, at 9:08 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > On a 74 TR6, I am installing on older tube shock conversion (boxed angle > plates > attached through the body). Does anyone know a good starting > adjustment for > series 80 Konis on the rear for autocrossing? It has heavy > duty full length > springs. Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Feb 14 12:44:13 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:44:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment RATCO SHOCKCONVERSION In-Reply-To: <8CFD902691A9C49-13B0-7DDF@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> <8CFD902691A9C49-13B0-7DDF@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFD902CC28DDC6-13B0-7E7A@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> There have been some designs that got a deservedly bad reputation for creating stress and fatigue on chassis and body parts. AWFUL consequences. I believe that there are now some designs that are much improved. RATCO comes to mind..........worth looking at RATCO's design. I know that Tony's solid axle desgn for tube shock conversion addresses this issue and I can recommend it. I am not sure he advertizes it, but he does manufacture a kit. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jack Mc To: sherry robyn Cc: fot Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment Well, my advice would be not to put that monstrosity on your car, let alone Autocross with it - unless you really like doing body and frame repair. Pardon by bluntness, but I can't understand why these things are still in use - I'd be surprised if at least half this list hasn't experienced, seen, or at least heard about the damage they can cause. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2013, at 9:08 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > On a 74 TR6, I am installing on older tube shock conversion (boxed angle > plates > attached through the body). Does anyone know a good starting > adjustment for > series 80 Konis on the rear for autocrossing? It has heavy > duty full length > springs. Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 14 12:58:32 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:58:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) From REK46 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 13:02:59 2013 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:02:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: <5ecfd.3a0c97fc.3e4e9cf1@aol.com> They should change it to " LUCAS " In a message dated 2/14/2013 2:59:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:18:50 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:18:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DC3740A6E194E488074F5901570CEEA@Bud> I'd Rather Be 'Sailing' RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > Amici... > > Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean > cruise > ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, > after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 > people > are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet > facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to > High > Heaven. > > It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to > get > this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is > important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Feb 14 14:02:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:02:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> I am waiting for it to spring an OIL LEAK......... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:59 pm Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Feb 14 14:17:11 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:17:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Message-ID: <008d01ce0af8$a7939fc0$f6badf40$@rr.com> Maybe Porsche, and paint some gold on the stacks.................. .....so there's these folks who saved all year for a vacation, scheduled vacation time and now this is what they get! Sure makes even a bad day at the track seem pretty darn good. russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 14 15:16:56 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:16:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: <14df2.40008a68.3e4ebc57@aol.com> In a message dated 02/14/2013 4:10:20 PM Central Standard Time, rfdeanes at gmail.com writes: > Now this ship is giving Triumph a bad name, now all the people on the > boat will relate the name to bad news.Think the owners would go for a name > change...possibly so ...especially to fill the cabins again.The tow rope broke > today and it still can't get to port, at least we know how to fix our > Triumphs. > I agree with the Fiat name and they can call Tony! > Mike Cooks says, "Yeah, FIAT! Flush It Again, Tony". And he's right. Bill (Damdinger) From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Thu Feb 14 16:31:41 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:31:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1360884701.29658.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Frame is in pretty good shape. The rear end is welded and it does have bar on the rear. I do plan to beef up the frame in the diff and shock area but it doesn't seem like there is not much I can do to beef up the trailing arm. These Konis have a built in bump stop. Jim ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: sherry robyn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, February 14, 2013 9:17:43 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment Hi, I'm a long-time TR6 autocrosser. My suggestion would be to go to full stiff on the settings and then try to back off 'till the car isn't completely tail-happy. You are much better off with stiff shocks / springs in the rear than with a big roll bar because with the roll bar you'll lift the inside wheel and get wheel spin (unless you have a Detroit locker or maybe a Salisbury type). I know this from experience. With a Quaife or open diff, you will get wheel spin. I've done the big bar on my street TR6 (used to run that car in SCCA FSP) and with the race car (SCCA F Prepared). Stiff springs get you less body roll, less "squat" on take-off at the expense of making the back a little bit more loose (depends on how stiff the springs are). On rough courses, the car will be really tail happy, but that's the tradeoff. I hope this helps. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Thu Feb 14 19:18:18 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:18:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> Message-ID: <1360894698.12661.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On the suggestion to use heims joint, I can see that this principal could be advantageous but not sure how it would be done practically in the application of tube shock conversion and the trailing arm. I can't quite see how to use it on either end. I would think that the larger shock mount holes and rubber shock mount bushing might have a similar affect to the heim joint. Jim ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: Jack Mc Cc: sherry robyn ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Thu, February 14, 2013 12:23:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment Hi, Just to be clear, what Jack refers to is the fact that there are significant bending loads that can occur from both the normal motion of these telescopic shocks and supension bottoming that can occur because most of the tube shock conversions eliminate the lower bump stop in some manor, or at the very least change it. The point being that the SPRING (actually the wheel rate) limits the total weight transfer... so, in theory you can limit some of the bending load to the frame because of the shock. Note also that where the shock mounts to the trailing arm, there is an arcing motion, so this adds to the bending loads. So, if you can mount the shock at the trailing arm and the frame with heims joints, you should probably do so. As a point of information, the Gp 44 TR6 used the stock shock location on the trailing arm, albeit with considerable reinforcement and the top was secured to the roll cage. That setup is rock-solid - so a telescoping shock can be used. The key is where you mount it. Also, not mentioned to this point is the fact that "we" really can't know the condition of the frame in question and that would have considerable bearing on whether the setup will work or not. If this was my car, and I had no other options, I'd def. add "check rear upper crossmember" to the pre-event check for every event as this setup can result in failure in that area. I'll also point out from experience that the trailing arms themselves are prone to cracking either at the shock mount or between where the hub mounts and the pivot points, so if you go really, really stiff on the suspension, the trailing arms are likely to fail. On the other hand, you can set up the suspension fairly soft like it came from the factory... just don't chuck the car around or you'll bottom the suspension all the time and I'll guarantee that stuff will break. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 20:04:40 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:04:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] air compressor Message-ID: <3F5EA384E5B74C8997325A9F11520D7E@hpd530> Hi Gang, while wasting some time between a late afternoon Valentines lunch and my welding class, I stopped by Home Depot. I saw a small Porter Cable air compressor on sale for $39.00. 3 1/2 gallon, 135 psi, pancake style. 110 volt. Nice small unit to take to the races. Only flows 3 SCFM but should be fine for pumping up tires. The HD guys said it was some kind of holiday promotion left over. Normally around $90.00. They weren't sure if it was a local thing or nationwide. I just thought I'd let you know. It's always good to share the good deals. OBTW, I bought 4. Happy Valentines Day. Bill From bownes at seiri.com Thu Feb 14 20:23:00 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] air compressor In-Reply-To: <3F5EA384E5B74C8997325A9F11520D7E@hpd530> References: <3F5EA384E5B74C8997325A9F11520D7E@hpd530> Message-ID: > OBTW, I bought 4. One for each tire? :) Bob From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 21:44:01 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:44:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] damn embarrasing Message-ID: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Let me see ... A Triumph in the middle of nowhere with no power, failed electricals followed by a fire (?). Who would of thought. My 2 cents, Bob T PS now the comedians are starting to make the jokes, ha ha ha. From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Feb 14 13:23:18 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:23:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, Just to be clear, what Jack refers to is the fact that there are significant bending loads that can occur from both the normal motion of these telescopic shocks and supension bottoming that can occur because most of the tube shock conversions eliminate the lower bump stop in some manor, or at the very least change it. The point being that the SPRING (actually the wheel rate) limits the total weight transfer... so, in theory you can limit some of the bending load to the frame because of the shock. Note also that where the shock mounts to the trailing arm, there is an arcing motion, so this adds to the bending loads. So, if you can mount the shock at the trailing arm and the frame with heims joints, you should probably do so. As a point of information, the Gp 44 TR6 used the stock shock location on the trailing arm, albeit with considerable reinforcement and the top was secured to the roll cage. That setup is rock-solid - so a telescoping shock can be used. The key is where you mount it. Also, not mentioned to this point is the fact that "we" really can't know the condition of the frame in question and that would have considerable bearing on whether the setup will work or not. If this was my car, and I had no other options, I'd def. add "check rear upper crossmember" to the pre-event check for every event as this setup can result in failure in that area. I'll also point out from experience that the trailing arms themselves are prone to cracking either at the shock mount or between where the hub mounts and the pivot points, so if you go really, really stiff on the suspension, the trailing arms are likely to fail. On the other hand, you can set up the suspension fairly soft like it came from the factory... just don't chuck the car around or you'll bottom the suspension all the time and I'll guarantee that stuff will break. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 14 13:32:03 2013 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: You know its interesting that Carnival owns Costa cruise line as well. What is funny, is that last year, we were going on a cruise the week after the Costa Concordia ran aground and this year we are leaving on a cruise this weekend. I don't know if I would schedule a cruise the week before me. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net RACER BUD wrote: >I'd Rather Be 'Sailing' >RB >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:58 AM >Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > > >> Amici... >> >> Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean >> cruise >> ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, >> after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 >> people >> are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet >> facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to >> High >> Heaven. >> >> It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to >> get >> this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is >> important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 14:11:28 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:11:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Oh Lord! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... >I am waiting for it to spring an OIL LEAK......... > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BillDentin > To: fot > Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:59 pm > Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > > > Amici... > > Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean > cruise > ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, > after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 > people > are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet > facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to > High > Heaven. > > It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to > get > this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is > important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 14:19:00 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:19:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7D6F7741-349B-4E34-8E9B-4F1C9284F81F@comcast.net> Sounds like a TR road trip I've been on before. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Feb 14, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet > facilities, and other implorable conditions From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Feb 14 16:09:54 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:09:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It's also listing, must have TR 6 springs on it. Terry Stetler From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 19:30:49 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:30:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com><1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530><1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> <1360894698.12661.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05F7A4ED9E154AF09B1C7C07D1671386@Bud> Heims Joint used to be a great place for a beer.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: "Robert M. Lang" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment > On the suggestion to use heims joint, I can see that this principal could > be > advantageous but not sure how it would be done practically in the > application > of > tube shock conversion and the trailing arm. I can't quite see how to use > it on > either end. I would think that the larger shock mount holes and rubber > shock > mount bushing might have a similar affect to the heim joint. Jim > ________________________________ > From: Robert M. Lang > To: > Jack Mc > Cc: sherry robyn ; > "fot at autox.team.net" > > Sent: Thu, February 14, 2013 > 12:23:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment > > Hi, > > Just to be > clear, what Jack refers to is the fact that there are significant > bending > loads that can occur from both the normal motion of these telescopic > shocks > and supension bottoming that can occur because most of the tube shock > conversions eliminate the lower bump stop in some manor, or at the very > least > change it. The point being that the SPRING (actually the wheel rate) > limits > the > total weight transfer... so, in theory you can limit some of the bending > load to > the frame because of the shock. Note also that where the shock mounts > to the > trailing arm, there is an arcing motion, so this adds to the bending > loads. So, > if you can mount the shock at the trailing arm and the frame with > heims joints, > you should probably do so. > > As a point of information, the Gp > 44 TR6 used the stock shock location on the > trailing arm, albeit with > considerable reinforcement and the top was secured to > the roll cage. That > setup is rock-solid - so a telescoping shock can be used. > The key is where > you mount it. > > Also, not mentioned to this point is the fact that "we" really > can't know the > condition of the frame in question and that would have > considerable bearing on > whether the setup will work or not. > > If this was my > car, and I had no other options, I'd def. add "check rear upper > crossmember" > to the pre-event check for every event as this setup can result in > failure in > that area. > > I'll also point out from experience that the trailing arms > themselves are prone > to cracking either at the shock mount or between where > the hub mounts and the > pivot points, so if you go really, really stiff on the > suspension, the trailing > arms are likely to fail. > > On the other hand, you can > set up the suspension fairly soft like it came from > the factory... just don't > chuck the car around or you'll bottom the suspension > all the time and I'll > guarantee that stuff will break. > > :-) > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former > NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 > | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From chansonjag at aol.com Fri Feb 15 05:21:08 2013 From: chansonjag at aol.com (chansonjag at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:21:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] [NET] damn embarrasing In-Reply-To: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFD98D5CC9C4ED-13D4-410@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> Was there any mention of Lucas electrics? Carl Hanson 1973 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 To: fot ; net Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 11:49 pm Subject: [NET] damn embarrasing Let me see ... A Triumph in the middle of nowhere with no power, failed electricals followed by a fire (?). Who would of thought. My 2 cents, Bob T PS now the comedians are starting to make the jokes, ha ha ha. _______________________________________________ NET mailing list NET at newenglandtriumphs.org http://newenglandtriumphs.org/mailman/listinfo/net_newenglandtriumphs.org From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 15:10:17 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:10:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <008d01ce0af8$a7939fc0$f6badf40$@rr.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <008d01ce0af8$a7939fc0$f6badf40$@rr.com> Message-ID: Now this ship is giving Triumph a bad name, now all the people on the boat will relate the name to bad news.Think the owners would go for a name change...possibly so ...especially to fill the cabins again.The tow rope broke today and it still can't get to port, at least we know how to fix our Triumphs. I agree with the Fiat name and they can call Tony! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Spitfire Racing < Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Maybe Porsche, and paint some gold on the stacks.................. > > > .....so there's these folks who saved all year for a vacation, scheduled > vacation time and now this is what they get! Sure makes even a bad day at > the track seem pretty darn good. > > russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:59 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > > Amici... > > Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise > ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, > after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 > people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working > toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things > stink to High Heaven. > > It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get > this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is > important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Feb 17 11:36:29 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:36:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization Message-ID: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> Amici Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters I'm in northern New Jersey Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not Thanks in advance. Todd Redmond 1958 TR 3 A Sent from my iPhone From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Feb 17 12:22:08 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:22:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization In-Reply-To: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> Message-ID: <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> Look into Vintage Racing Group. I have a friend who races with them. Seems like a good group Chris On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > Amici > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters > I'm in northern New Jersey > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not > > Thanks in advance. > Todd Redmond > 1958 TR 3 A > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From kaskastner at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 12:58:33 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:58:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] E Mail change Message-ID: My new E mail is changed to kaskastner at gmail.com. *Never be beaten by equipment.* From spitfiresuz at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 18:17:18 2013 From: spitfiresuz at gmail.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:17:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [NET] damn embarrasing In-Reply-To: <8CFD98D5CC9C4ED-13D4-410@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> <8CFD98D5CC9C4ED-13D4-410@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <457720B0-6D83-4E85-9E70-081FDEA6F159@gmail.com> I think the whole thing can be traced back to the loss of the cruise control... Susan ;) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2013, at 7:21 AM, chansonjag at aol.com wrote: > Was there any mention of Lucas electrics? > > Carl Hanson > 1973 TR6 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: fot ; net > Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 11:49 pm > Subject: [NET] damn embarrasing > > > Let me see ... A Triumph in the middle of nowhere with no power, failed > electricals followed by a fire (?). Who would of thought. > > My 2 cents, > Bob T > > PS now the comedians are starting to make the jokes, ha ha ha. > > _______________________________________________ > NET mailing list > NET at newenglandtriumphs.org > http://newenglandtriumphs.org/mailman/listinfo/net_newenglandtriumphs.org > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at gmail.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Feb 17 16:09:47 2013 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:09:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 clutch disk experiences Message-ID: <000301ce0d63$e1d30730$a5791590$@rr.com> Folks, I am close to getting a TR6 project moving along again. I started at the rear bumper and am now up to the firewall with the engine and pretty much the entire rest of the drive train rebuilt. I know a number of years back there was much conversation among some entities that "Magic" was required to get a clutch to work in a TR6. I never abided to that train of thought and identified it more as a mis-match of wrong parts. What I have is a new lightweight flywheel that is being mated with a LUK pressure plate. I have an AP clutch disk new in the box and also a LUK with maybe 10K on it. Are there any problems experienced with the AP brand of clutch disk as sold out of western PA maybe 15 years ago? Thanks Russ From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Feb 17 17:44:55 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:44:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization In-Reply-To: <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net>, <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> Message-ID: VRG lets me show up. Nor sure if that is good or bad for the rest of the field but I enjoy their events. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:22:08 -0500 > To: alfetta95 at optonline.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization > > Look into Vintage Racing Group. > I have a friend who races with them. Seems like a good group > > Chris > > On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > > > Amici > > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my > parameters > > I'm in northern New Jersey > > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky > > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest > organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one > > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern > NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. > > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Todd Redmond > > 1958 TR 3 A > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From list at mackenzie.aero Mon Feb 18 06:46:29 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:46:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1147 Race Engine? Message-ID: <001201ce0dde$5eb7fce0$1c27f6a0$@aero> Does anybody have an 1147 Race Engine they want to sell? Please contact me offline at robert AT mackenzie DOT aero Thanks! From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 10:36:38 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:36:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Marty Message-ID: Marty, in response to your earlier message, I replied to all, but it got bounced. Here's my reply; As Groucho once said, "I'd never belong to a club that would have me as a member!" Great quote. VRG is a great bunch of folks who always put on a nice event. You should consider the Jefferson 500 in May at Summit Point. Nice track and a lot of fun. The organizers have always offered a deal that if you sign up early, you get a free test day. And you can buy power for the weekend for about $20. Bring your big extension cord. See you there. Bill From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 05:45:14 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:45:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net>, <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> Message-ID: <0933964B54544AE1995C813BEC14BF57@hpd530> Marty, remember what Groucho said, "I wouldn't be a member of a club that would have me as a member"! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization > VRG lets me show up. Nor sure if that is good or bad for the rest of the > field > but I enjoy their events. > > Marty > ---------------------------------------- >> From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com >> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:22:08 -0500 >> To: alfetta95 at optonline.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization >> >> Look into Vintage Racing Group. >> I have a friend who races with them. Seems like a good group >> >> Chris >> >> On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Todd Redmond >> wrote: >> >> > Amici >> > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of > my >> parameters >> > I'm in northern New Jersey >> > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky >> > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the >> > broadest >> organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one >> > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). > northern >> NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. >> > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not >> > >> > Thanks in advance. >> > Todd Redmond >> > 1958 TR 3 A >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Feb 18 12:49:21 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Marty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401ce0e11$0bccb100$23661300$@comcast.net> See Marty they even let Bill in at Summit Point (all though I don't know why) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:37 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Marty Marty, in response to your earlier message, I replied to all, but it got bounced. Here's my reply; As Groucho once said, "I'd never belong to a club that would have me as a member!" Great quote. VRG is a great bunch of folks who always put on a nice event. You should consider the Jefferson 500 in May at Summit Point. Nice track and a lot of fun. The organizers have always offered a deal that if you sign up early, you get a free test day. And you can buy power for the weekend for about $20. Bring your big extension cord. See you there. Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Feb 18 13:21:50 2013 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:21:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Organizations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e901ce0e15$95cc7670$c1656350$@org> IMHO, if you prepare your car to SVRA requirements you will be good to go with any East Coast or Mid West group with the exception of VSCCA (which doesn't allow many TR3s anyway). And, SVRA has good information on their website regarding their requirements. We've prepared my car to their vintage specs for almost 20 years and have been accepted anywhere I've tried. Any questions, and you can contact their technical guy online. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 13:29:53 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:29:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Marty References: <001401ce0e11$0bccb100$23661300$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <399B1521355040EF8CF1AD0AF82C6BB5@hpd530> I think it had something to do with money: I had a check and they wanted it! Great bunch. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Wensley" To: "'Bill Tobin'" ; Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Marty > See Marty they even let Bill in at Summit Point (all though I don't know > why) > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Tobin > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:37 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Marty > > Marty, in response to your earlier message, I replied to all, but it got > bounced. > Here's my reply; As Groucho once said, "I'd never belong to a club that > would have me as a member!" > Great quote. > VRG is a great bunch of folks who always put on a nice event. You should > consider the Jefferson 500 in May at Summit Point. Nice track and a lot of > fun. The organizers have always offered a deal that if you sign up early, > you get a free test day. And you can buy power for the weekend for about > $20. > Bring your big extension cord. > See you there. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 18 17:34:37 2013 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Windows Live Team) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:34:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization In-Reply-To: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> Message-ID: Todd, I've raced with HRG for over 10 years with my TR3. Lot of nice people. Most also run in vintage and SCCA. I'm not real competative against 240zs and BMWs but who cares. I still have a lot of fun. The cars are based on 1973(I believe) SCCA rules. This why I run with them as I don't have the expense of updating my car. Lorne Fitz> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:36:29 -0500 > From: alfetta95 at optonline.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization > > Amici > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters > I'm in northern New Jersey > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not > > Thanks in advance. > Todd Redmond > 1958 TR 3 A > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Feb 18 17:47:34 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:47:34 GMT Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization Message-ID: <20130218.194734.19042.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Todd, if you build it to SCCA production specs as far as safety equipment you will probably exceed the specs for the vintage groups, but you should check all the rules. One rule that I found SVRA stricter was requiring tow hooks even on open cars. You can still come play in EP, I am still racing my TR3 in EP. My car with the big flared fenders, however is not eligible for most vintage racing groups. The NE SCCA still has HRG, which was Volvo Historic Series (VHS) at one time. I don't remember if it was VHS or HRG when you raced your eyetalian car. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Todd Redmond To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:36:29 -0500 Amici Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters I'm in northern New Jersey Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not Thanks in advance. Todd Redmond 1958 TR 3 A Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From tpettenati at yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 09:24:22 2013 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:24:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advise on Valve springs - Spitfire Message-ID: <1361291062.72379.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All, I'm looking for some guidance selecting new valve springs and setting valve spring pressures on a 64 Spitfire used for vintage racing. Engine info: 1147 + .040, block and head shaved per comp manual, compression about 12:1 Cam = Kastner A7, .412 lift, duration 242 @ .050. stock rockers, tappets 2x SU HS2 carbs, large intake valves Rev limiter set at 7200 RPM, shift at 6500-7000 RPM British Parts Northwest provided the following specs on their dual spring kits. VS703K @1.340 Seat 70lbs, lift .412 175lbs VS6624 @1.340 Seat 35lbs, lift .412 145lbs I'm thinking the VS703K looks like a good choice, and the VS6624 would be a bit too light on seat pressure. Thanks for any insight. Tim From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed Feb 20 02:46:21 2013 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:46:21 +1100 Subject: [Fot] GT6 con rods Message-ID: <004901ce0f4f$24f4d060$6ede7120$@optushome.com.au> Amici Has anyone come up with a replacement OEM longer conrod for the 2litre GT6 motor to allow the TR6 pistons to be used Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Feb 20 13:53:33 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:53:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Header Message-ID: What is the group's advice on the best place to find a good TR4 exhaust header. We seem to have "exploded" ours at the Road Atlanta race last weekend..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Feb 20 18:27:08 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:27:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512577EC.2040100@blacksburg.net> On 2/20/2013 3:53 PM, john hasty wrote: > What is the group's advice on the best place to find a good TR4 exhaust > header. We seem to have "exploded" ours at the Road Atlanta race last > weekend..... > > John, TSI sells a good one. Furthermore, I used the thick gasket Tony Drews has and am delighted with the results. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 22 06:52:45 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:52:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Overdrive Query Message-ID: Hi, I was going through some notes yesterday and I found a reference from a friend suggesting that a "P-type" overdrive may be a good upgrade to look into. This suggestion was based on several points, not the least of which was that you can get new, modern replacement parts and that they are built to handle rediculous power (like 600 HP). Don't quote me on the power number, but the point is that they are overbuilt compared to A-types and J-types. They're also designed to withstand stupid-big line pressure, like 780 PSI, so they're capable of instant shifts. So, that made me poke around a bit and see what I could find and in the small amount of searching that I did, I came across Gear Vendors - they do upgrades for all sorts of applications and it looks like they either use teh P-type or they build a knock-off of it. I plan to do some more research on the matter, but I wanted to throw this out to the FOT to see if anyone has any direct experience with Gear Vendors and / or with the P-type mounted to a Triumph gearbox. And, no, I haven't chatted with John Esposito. Yet. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mdporter at dfn.com Fri Feb 22 07:30:38 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:30:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5127810E.4030902@dfn.com> On 2/22/2013 6:52 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I plan to do some more research on the matter, but I wanted to throw > this out to the FOT to see if anyone has any direct experience with > Gear Vendors and / or with the P-type mounted to a Triumph gearbox. > Here's a little something from the UK on a P-type conversion (GT6): http://club.triumph.org.uk/cgi-bin/forum10/Blah.pl?m-1326400553/ Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Feb 22 16:14:47 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:14:47 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re Overdrive Query Message-ID: there are 2 versions of P type I have found one as per link was just a minor update of the J.... changes to valve design, stiffer centre case same as Triumph Dollomite Sprint. commonly used in volvos and as made up till recently and sold by "Gear Vendors" in USA the version I have found in 740 turbo has a much bigger roller cell clutch and bigger pins on the planet gears. these wont fit onto Triumph mainshafts . externally they look almost the same Terry O'Beirne Australia From markvaden at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 08:33:00 2013 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:33:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Finally raced! Message-ID: Hi Everyone, After 2 long years I finally got the tr4a back on the track. Here is the bring a trailer ad with some pictures from when I purchased the car. http://bringatrailer.com/2010/08/16/mothballed-racer-triumph-tr4/. Here is a video from last weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuv4aFcm7w Thanks to all the FOTers who answered various questions along the way. I had some carb issues which I worked out, and a bubble in the radiator. Ultimately the differential failed, embarassingly caused by a missing cotter pin. Somehow at least 4 of us missed it. But still great to run again after years off. -Mark From tr4 at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 24 08:43:09 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:43:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: <6F.87.02677.D053A215@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott tr4 at wi.rr.com 262-997-0701 From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Feb 24 09:09:00 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Finally raced! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats Mark! Go get em! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > After 2 long years I finally got the tr4a back on the track. Here is the > bring a trailer ad with some pictures from when I purchased the car. > http://bringatrailer.com/2010/08/16/mothballed-racer-triumph-tr4/. Here is > a video from last weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuv4aFcm7w > > Thanks to all the FOTers who answered various questions along the way. I > had some carb issues which I worked out, and a bubble in the radiator. > Ultimately the differential failed, embarassingly caused by a missing > cotter pin. Somehow at least 4 of us missed it. But still great to run > again after years off. > > -Mark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Feb 24 12:47:46 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:47:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] Links: ------ [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 24 16:52:24 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:52:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <7D.EB.13457.8B7AA215@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Charley, Other than doing a good "blue printing" to the specs in the books the TR6 pump seems to be a very reliable unit. There have been a number of Tractor motor pump failures of different types that revolve around the inner rotor. The new pump design that I produce solves these issues and makes for a very reliable part. That is all I know and welcome any other input. I would like to make the TR6 pump with a pressure oiling system like the modified Tractor pump but the TR6 pump end cap does not have enough depth remaining for a stub shaft. This would require a new end cap casting which would be overly costly at this time. Steve Yott _____ From: Charly [mailto:charly at mitchelplumbing.com] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:48 PM To: 'fot'; Steve Yott Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott tr4 at wi.rr.com 262-997-0701 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Feb 25 09:34:53 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:34:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> I found this. http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/OilPump.htm In addition I also clean up the casting flaws. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: charly at mitchelplumbing.com Cc: fot ; Steve Yott Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps Charly, There is this 150 pund pump from our English friend at TR Special Tuning: http://www.triumphspecialtuning.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44 &product_id=189 Kinda a steep price. Chuck On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Charly wrote: BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] Links: ------ [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-ra cing .com [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.n et%2 Fdonate.html [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.n et%2 Farchive [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.n et%2 Fforums [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team .net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6105 - Release Date: 02/15/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 13:05:59 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> Message-ID: Speaking of oil pumps. Anybody have a 1500 Spitfire oil pump in their parts pile they want to sell? Mine attempted to process some non-fluid components after the big bang at the Mitty last year. Springs coming, better put something together I guess :) Thanks, Marty From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 09:23:42 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:23:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: Charly, There is this 150 pund pump from our English friend at TR Special Tuning: http://www.triumphspecialtuning.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44&product_id=189 Kinda a steep price. Chuck On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Charly wrote: > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } > Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? > > Charly Mitchel > > TR6 #44 > On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: > TR3 & 4 drivers! > I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. > If > interested please contact me off list. > Thanks much > Steve Yott > 262-997-0701 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.fot-racing.com [3] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] > > > Links: > ------ > [3] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing > .com > [4] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fdonate.html > [5] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Farchive > [6] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fforums > [7] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net > %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Feb 24 17:25:55 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:25:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: <21803.1361751955@mitchelplumbing.com> Thanks for the reply, What I've done to mine is clean up the casting. There is some casting flaws left on all the pumps I've ever purchased, and I just go in and enlarge the passage a little to help make the oil flow a little more. I've been think about cutting down the end float on the pump rotor a little, but haven't tried it yet. Just wondering if someone else was working on these as well. Charly Mitchel TR6#44 From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 25 13:53:43 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:53:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Message-ID: Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger From riverside at southslope.net Mon Feb 25 14:30:10 2013 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:30:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Feb 25 14:38:08 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:38:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at VIR Message-ID: The Triumph Ghetto is pleased to announce that they will award the Annual Martha McDougal Trophy, as part of the 2013 VDCA Wild Hare Run, at Virginia International Raceway. The dates for this year's event are April 12th through the 14th. Mark your calendar now and join your fellow Triumph racers at this fantastic event. The Wild Hare features generous amounts of track time, including a free enduro, on one of the most challenging and historic tracks in the country. Topping off the weekend will be the presentation of the coveted "Martha" trophy to the Triumph racer that displays a high level of performance on track, active support of the Triumph marque, camaraderie in the paddock and general good-guy/gal-ness. In addition to the standard fun on and off the track, the Ghetto will once again provide their world-famous cookout on Friday evening for all Triumph folks and friends. Mark your calendars and watch for posting of the entry form, and on-line entry details, at the link below. We look forward to seeing you there. http://www.vintagedrive.com/Schedule.htm Dean Tetterton, Don Marshall and Leo Oddi From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Feb 25 16:13:07 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:13:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> Message-ID: <25873841973B4307A7029A673F20E405@UserTHINK> I've found a big improvement in OP on the Tractor engines doing the same thing as Bob Danielson says he did to the TR6 pump. A lot is wasted by those score marks. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps I found this. http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/OilPump.htm In addition I also clean up the casting flaws. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: charly at mitchelplumbing.com Cc: fot ; Steve Yott Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps Charly, There is this 150 pund pump from our English friend at TR Special Tuning: http://www.triumphspecialtuning.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44 &product_id=189 Kinda a steep price. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Feb 25 18:46:29 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:46:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks Message-ID: Hi, This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? My earlier questions were based on this tire (un)availability. I have to get ready to buy my tires for 2013 and I have no idea what to do at this stage except break down and switch to 10 inch rims. I know this is currently illegal in Prod, but if there's no tires available - then what? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From malaboge at aol.com Mon Feb 25 21:54:47 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:54:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> Message-ID: <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Back in the day, my tow car was a '65 Shelby GT350...enuf power to tow and just another old car at the time...oh that 20/20 hindsight...where was it when I needed it. Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From malaboge at aol.com Mon Feb 25 22:02:35 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:02:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFE1F5A023FD5D-BAC-7B963@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> oh and it was a TR3 as well... -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... Back in the day, my tow car was a '65 Shelby GT350...enuf power to tow and just another old car at the time...oh that 20/20 hindsight...where was it when I needed it. Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Feb 25 22:33:07 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:33:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <8CFE1F5A023FD5D-BAC-7B963@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> <8CFE1F5A023FD5D-BAC-7B963@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFE1F9E3F8C197-1444-6C30F@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Richard Taylor tows a trailer with his TR4A #196. The trailer has a motorcyle and a set of racing tires. Unfortunately, he is unable to make the 'tow' this year to to the KCUP. We will miss him. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: malaboge ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 11:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... oh and it was a TR3 as well... -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... Back in the day, my tow car was a '65 Shelby GT350...enuf power to tow and just another old car at the time...oh that 20/20 hindsight...where was it when I needed it. Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From wgaplin at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 25 15:38:12 2013 From: wgaplin at bellsouth.net (Warren Aplin) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:38:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> Message-ID: <004001ce13a8$cbd6f9a0$6384ece0$@bellsouth.net> 1972, we are OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had a 1971 Triumph Spitfire, BRG over tan. I kept a race log in the glove box in the back of the owner's manual. That's what I thought those note spots were for, why didn't someone tell me!!!. They voided my warranty!!!!, Young and dumb!!! Still having fun!!!!!!!! Warren Aplin Jupiter, FL 561-748-8187 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:30 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgaplin at bellsouth.net From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue Feb 26 13:59:30 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:59:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 75, Issue 30- slicks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? " Rob, I run Hoosier slicks and went to their website today. They still list bias ply 13" slicks but they have the "new (introduced Nov 2010" radial types on the discount rack, $100 each plus $15 an order for shipping. The original price was ~$225 each. I never ran the radials, always the bias ply so I don't know how well they work. Based on the short sale, I'd say not very well. I spoke to an engineer there when they came out and he gave me recommended set up changes / pressures if I did switch but I never pulled the trigger for the radials. I'm up in the air about what series to run this year, no Prod events last year only vintage but I might pick up a set and wrap them in plastic for future use. mike h G. Michael Harmuth From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Feb 27 10:40:24 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:40:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Special strictly for the Tirumph History buffs... Message-ID: <7a7f.68ea2d.3e5f9f07@aol.com> Amici... I probably should have also mentioned the monthly one page Parting Shot article in my recent email about the April/May issue of Triumph World. It deals with the early history of the Triumph name our cars carry. While there is little historical documentation to suggest any formal engineering trail from bicycles to motorcycles to sports cars, there definitely was a formal path the Triumph name itself followed to get on our cars. But it is not crystal clear. It provides another item we can argue about. You know, like is your car really a TR3B. What we do know is that in about 1884 a German named Siegfried Bettmann came to England as a language translator. Based in Coventry, to make ends meet he began selling high end bicycles under the name Triumph. As a translator, the name had been chosen because it had numerous meanings in several languages. Early on he was not really building anything new, but rather buying bicycles manufactured by others, and using after market products to make them fancy. The Triumph Cycle Company, Ltd., was cashing in on the Victorian bicycle boom. Eventually with some funding from Dunlop, they did manufacture their own bikes, all of which were fancy, catering to the wealthy, and offering up grade options like 'soft tyres'. Then, at the turn of the twentieth century, motorized bicycles were developed and the Triumph company was quickly involved in building them, and also quite successful in competition events. Before and after WWII is were the history of the Triumph name gets foggy. There is more than one story told. We seem to know what happened, as well as why it happened, but not exactly how. There is evidence that Raleigh bought out the bicycle arm of the company before the war. At least a part of the motorcycle arm went to Jack Sangster in Ariel during that same period, but there is also evidence that Bettmann had a deal going with Coventry Cycles. The fact that all of these factories were then bombed out during WWII (along with most of their records) is where the confusion comes up. And thus it is not clear as to exactly what, why, and how the name Triumph evolved on British bicycles, motorcycles and then sports cars. But for sure, there are bicycles and motorcycles in our history, 40 and 16 years respectively, before there were any Triumph sports cars. Bill Dentinger From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Feb 27 11:59:28 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:59:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Special strictly for the Tirumph History buffs...now the KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <7a7f.68ea2d.3e5f9f07@aol.com> References: <7a7f.68ea2d.3e5f9f07@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFE333B3AD95AE-16CC-99D4F@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> I am not sure if I mentioned this before, but I have extended an invitation to Simon, the editor of TRIUMPH WORLD, to join us at the Kastner Cup. He is looking very closely at coming, in spite of a busy publishing schedule. I am beginning to see an incredible assemblage of very interesting people in attendance. (In addition to the FOT) There are some details in planning that necessarily will come from VSCDA, that is forthcoming. Most of that will be settled in March, and then there will be a deluge of new information. There are a lot of folks working on this and it is coming together. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 12:01 pm Subject: [Fot] Special strictly for the Tirumph History buffs... Amici... I probably should have also mentioned the monthly one page Parting Shot article in my recent email about the April/May issue of Triumph World. It deals with the early history of the Triumph name our cars carry. While there is little historical documentation to suggest any formal engineering trail from bicycles to motorcycles to sports cars, there definitely was a formal path the Triumph name itself followed to get on our cars. But it is not crystal clear. It provides another item we can argue about. You know, like is your car really a TR3B. What we do know is that in about 1884 a German named Siegfried Bettmann came to England as a language translator. Based in Coventry, to make ends meet he began selling high end bicycles under the name Triumph. As a translator, the name had been chosen because it had numerous meanings in several languages. Early on he was not really building anything new, but rather buying bicycles manufactured by others, and using after market products to make them fancy. The Triumph Cycle Company, Ltd., was cashing in on the Victorian bicycle boom. Eventually with some funding from Dunlop, they did manufacture their own bikes, all of which were fancy, catering to the wealthy, and offering up grade options like 'soft tyres'. Then, at the turn of the twentieth century, motorized bicycles were developed and the Triumph company was quickly involved in building them, and also quite successful in competition events. Before and after WWII is were the history of the Triumph name gets foggy. There is more than one story told. We seem to know what happened, as well as why it happened, but not exactly how. There is evidence that Raleigh bought out the bicycle arm of the company before the war. At least a part of the motorcycle arm went to Jack Sangster in Ariel during that same period, but there is also evidence that Bettmann had a deal going with Coventry Cycles. The fact that all of these factories were then bombed out during WWII (along with most of their records) is where the confusion comes up. And thus it is not clear as to exactly what, why, and how the name Triumph evolved on British bicycles, motorcycles and then sports cars. But for sure, there are bicycles and motorcycles in our history, 40 and 16 years respectively, before there were any Triumph sports cars. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Catpusher at aol.com Tue Feb 26 20:32:34 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:32:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Some more California Air... Message-ID: <8d13d.b707233.3e5ed852@aol.com> The E Type was the only other car that I owned, and the laden for travel, the TR3 was heavier; so it was very exciting at times also! I did help Nick in Nor Cal load his TR3 on his Trailer a time or two; the Shelby locker was not subtle in SF's hills! Hardy In a message dated 2/26/2013 10:56:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Feb 27 14:40:55 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:40:55 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: on the 6 cyl engines we have made some 1.5 length pumps. Any decent machinist can do this by cutting up a 2nd pump and adding it to the original. of course, you have to shorten/modify the pick-up, which is a good idea anyhow. They have no better pressure, but the extra volume sure helps with oil surge we seem to constantly get when racing. I can probably dig out some pics if anyone is keen Terry O'Beirne Australia From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Feb 27 15:11:40 2013 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (K LYNCH) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:11:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clive Averill Message-ID: Our GT-6 mentor Clive was taken early this morning to his local hospital in a bad way, then air-lifted to another nearby. Would simply ask as a group, that you keep him & his family in your thoughts/prayers these coming days. He's in a rough way and could use some spiritual support.. Thank you ~ Kev Lynch #6 GT6 RMVR From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Wed Feb 27 15:27:10 2013 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael kowalski) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:27:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Some more California Air... References: <8d13d.b707233.3e5ed852@aol.com> Message-ID: <0752257461E045F8BA90EC474CA9CB95@sarako> Many years ago, while towing back from an AutoX at Ft. Huachuca, AZ, somewhere near the NM/AZ border, along I-10, what I should I see but an E-type with six tiny cylinders, towing something in arears headed west. Could it have been the same rig as mentioned below? mike kowalski, FP spit, sorta ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:32 PM Subject: [Fot] Subject: Some more California Air... > The E Type was the only other car that I owned, and the laden for travel, > the TR3 was > heavier; so it was very exciting at times also! I did help Nick in Nor > Cal load his TR3 on his Trailer a time or two; the Shelby locker was not > subtle in SF's hills! > > Hardy > > > In a message dated 2/26/2013 10:56:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > > Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across > the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all > the > same. > > Great articles > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Feb 28 14:36:17 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:36:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: VR1 References: <1362084341.24476.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F7E7DF4-D549-4E42-B854-8126AFACB294@austin.rr.com> VR1 on sale , whoopee! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Robert Blake > Date: February 28, 2013, 1:45:41 PM MST > To: Bob Kramar , 'William Collins' , Duncan Charlton , "jhovey1 at sbcglobal.net" > Subject: VR1 > Reply-To: Robert Blake > > O'Reilly's has VR1 20-50 on sale for 3.99/qt starting today through Mar 31st. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Feb 28 17:31:29 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire project for sale Message-ID: <6B607942-FC38-48AA-A237-AFD19912553D@aol.com> Amici, I hate to say this and do this. I have to sell my project spitfire. Currently it is in pieces. Here is most of what I have. 72, 74 titles Body in good shape, no rust except one small hole in front of driver wheel arch Frame has some surface rust. 2 bonnets. Both have minor repairable rust. One has dents and other doesn't. 4 1500 engines. 3 from a triumph, 1 from a MG 3 transmissions. 1 single, 1 triple rail, 1 OD 2 Sets of doors in great shape, no rust, just one dent in one door. Have full window glass for three sets of doors. Gear reduction starter 4-2-1 exhaust, needs flange Multiple sets of stock carbs Lots of stock parts Hard top in great shape, all glass and trim. No windshield Stock suspension Have poly suspension rebuild kit 3 stock 3.89 diffs There are lots of other parts that I have forgotten about that are included. Currently the major amount of parts are in Delaware but the engines, transmissions, and some other stuff are in New Jersey. Any good reasonable offer will be accepted. Contact me off list if your interested From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 1 00:31:37 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:31:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> How to test a PVC valve? After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: - I pull the hose from the valve cover - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) - and suck back On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. The dimensions aren't important. You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring for valve operating. Installed: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg Cheers Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 1 01:37:09 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 03:37:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] WTB: Cheap TR6 wheels In-Reply-To: <13695.2717eeee.3e3ca4ce@aol.com> References: <13695.2717eeee.3e3ca4ce@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/31/2013 11:21:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > list at mackenzie.aero writes: > > just the rims for autocross > use. > > > hmmm....I wouldn't do that with original TR6 steel wheels - particularly > if he is going to use R-compound tires - he will eventually tear the centers > out of the wheels - but that will probably be somewhat less > ...ah...dramatic...or exciting in an autocross than it is in a road race. Plus you can get brand new steel rims from Diamond wheels for pretty cheap money. Or, as a lot of folks seem to be doing, going with VTO Performance rims or some of the other lower-cost aluminum rims out there. > Cheers, > Jack Mc regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Feb 1 02:55:10 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 04:55:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> Message-ID: <8CFCE795B312549-8D8-5D340@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> OEM REPLACEMENT PVC VALVE is much better than aftermarket like MOROSO branded valve. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- a PVC valve?After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run:- I pull the hose from the valve cover- blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve)- and suck backOn sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If thereis gentle blow by the valve is gone.My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. Thedimensions aren't important.You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern.The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring forvalve operating.Installed:https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4S I/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpgCheersChris________________ _______________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDon ate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/archiveForums: http://www.team.net/forumsUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Feb 1 05:26:38 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:26:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> Message-ID: Are we talking about PVC or PCV? Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > How to test a PVC valve? > > After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: > > - I pull the hose from the valve cover > - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) > - and suck back > > On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If there > is gentle blow by the valve is gone. > > My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. The > dimensions aren't important. > You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. > > The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring for > valve operating. > > Installed: > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH > 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg > > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 1 05:30:43 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 13:30:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> Message-ID: <000901ce0077$f5934260$e0b9c720$@com> I've just taken over the phrase. I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the crankcase. No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing Are we talking about PVC or PCV? Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > How to test a PVC valve? > > After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: > > - I pull the hose from the valve cover > - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) > - and suck back > > On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If > there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. > > My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. > The dimensions aren't important. > You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. > > The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring > for valve operating. > > Installed: > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI > /GcSEH > 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg > > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 1 05:47:52 2013 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:47:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting References: <000901cdffeb$770c1390$65243ab0$@ca> Message-ID: Interesting read, thanks for sharing. Great info for the hot rod street car crowd. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Munson" Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting > http://www.shophemi.com/images/media/p-2273-arrington_ccv_bible.pdf From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Feb 1 06:17:45 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:17:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <000901ce0077$f5934260$e0b9c720$@com> References: <20130131.215931.14431.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <000901ce004e$2d566990$88033cb0$@com> <000901ce0077$f5934260$e0b9c720$@com> Message-ID: <19E0A7F2-AA29-473E-8DF5-1B5373620DCF@aol.com> Just joking. PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing PCV. Particle control valve. Just having fun with. It is a great read Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I've just taken over the phrase. > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > crankcase. > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > An: MadMarx > Cc: > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > >> How to test a PVC valve? >> >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: >> >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >> - and suck back >> >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >> >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >> The dimensions aren't important. >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >> >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >> for valve operating. >> >> Installed: >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >> /GcSEH >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >> >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Feb 1 06:49:26 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 05:49:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <19E0A7F2-AA29-473E-8DF5-1B5373620DCF@aol.com> Message-ID: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Chris: I do believe you mean: PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock wrote: From: Christopher Bock Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing To: "MadMarx" Cc: "" Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM Just joking. PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing PCV. Particle control valve. Just having fun with. It is a great read Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I've just taken over the phrase. > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > crankcase. > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > An: MadMarx > Cc: > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > >> How to test a PVC valve? >> >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: >> >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >> - and suck back >> >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >> >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >> The dimensions aren't important. >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >> >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >> for valve operating. >> >> Installed: >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >> /GcSEH >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >> >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 1 06:54:30 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:54:30 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <19E0A7F2-AA29-473E-8DF5-1B5373620DCF@aol.com> <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301ce0083$a9a37260$fcea5720$@com> Regardless of the name, it does work. Ive measured the pressure value with a gauge that read positive and negative values. I see very often negative values and very tiny positive values. Cheers Chris Von: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 14:49 An: MadMarx; Christopher Bock Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing Chris: I do believe you mean: PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock < SeaCubeCo at aol.com> wrote: From: Christopher Bock < SeaCubeCo at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing To: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com> Cc: "< fot at autox.team.net>" < fot at autox.team.net> Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM Just joking. PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing PCV. Particle control valve. Just having fun with. It is a great read Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" > wrote: > I've just taken over the phrase. > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > crankcase. > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com ] > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > An: MadMarx > Cc: > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" > wrote: > >> How to test a PVC valve? >> >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: >> >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >> - and suck back >> >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >> >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >> The dimensions aren't important. >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >> >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >> for valve operating. >> >> Installed: >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >> /GcSEH >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >> >> >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Fri Feb 1 07:06:11 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39E76803-7782-4AFD-82A3-0D8EC8272041@aol.com> I think positive crankcase ventilation is the system and partial control valve is a tool in that process Terminology can be off but getting it to work is important. Chris On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:49 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > Chris: I do believe you mean: > PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation > > --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock wrote: > > From: Christopher Bock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > To: "MadMarx" > Cc: "" > Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM > > Just joking. > > PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing > > PCV. Particle control valve. > > Just having fun with. > > It is a great read > Chris > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > > > I've just taken over the phrase. > > > > I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the > > crankcase. > > > > No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----UrsprC > Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] > > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 > > An: MadMarx > > Cc: > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing > > > > Are we talking about PVC or PCV? > > > > Chris > > > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > > > >> How to test a PVC valve? > >> > >> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each run: > >> > >> - I pull the hose from the valve cover > >> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) > >> - and suck back > >> > >> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If > >> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. > >> > >> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. > >> The dimensions aren't important. > >> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. > >> > >> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring > >> for valve operating. > >> > >> Installed: > >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI > >> /GcSEH > >> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers > >> Chris > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Feb 1 08:20:59 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:20:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking" I was working the race last weekend as a flagger. They had this TR8 in the Heritage Racer section of the infield, next to a nice Lotus powered Ford Cortina http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_3.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_1.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_2.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusCortina.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusPart.jpg Tough work, but someone has to do it; http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/NOSGirls.jpg mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri Feb 1 08:21:36 2013 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:21:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing In-Reply-To: <39E76803-7782-4AFD-82A3-0D8EC8272041@aol.com> References: <1359726566.95517.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <39E76803-7782-4AFD-82A3-0D8EC8272041@aol.com> Message-ID: <1DFB97EB-A156-4AB4-994A-1393F138420E@virgin.net> Hi I haven't found the need for vacuuming and in fact I think it introduces another element of unreliability into the manifold, which I cannot tolerate when rallying as the opportunities to repair are so limited 'in the field/forests'. Perhaps this is something just for track cars which get short bursts of uses At constant high revs ?? I can't see any such system holding out with constant use in an endurance environment where revs vary between idle and maximum regularly. Also, if you are running in wet conditions or extremes of temperature I would expect a greater failure rate. Again, this is the world of rallying. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 1 Feb 2013, at 14:06, Christopher Bock wrote: > I think positive crankcase ventilation is the system and partial control > valve is a tool in that process > > Terminology can be off but getting it to work is important. > > Chris > > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:49 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > >> >> Chris: I do believe you mean: >> PCV: Positive Crankcase Ventilation >> >> --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Christopher Bock wrote: >> >> From: Christopher Bock >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing >> To: "MadMarx" >> Cc: "" >> Date: Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:17 AM >> >> Just joking. >> >> PVC. Poly vinyl chloride. White plastic tubing >> >> PCV. Particle control valve. >> >> Just having fun with. >> >> It is a great read >> Chris >> >> On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:30 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: >> >>> I've just taken over the phrase. >>> >>> I'm talking about a valve which use the exhaust system to vent the >>> crankcase. >>> >>> No idea if it is called PVC or PCV? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >>> >>> -----UrsprC>> Von: Christopher Bock [mailto:SeaCubeCo at aol.com] >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 13:27 >>> An: MadMarx >>> Cc: >>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crankcase Venting - testing >>> >>> Are we talking about PVC or PCV? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:31 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: >>> >>>> How to test a PVC valve? >>>> >>>> After I had these several failures I've checked the valve before each > run: >>>> >>>> - I pull the hose from the valve cover >>>> - blow by mouth into the hose (to operate the valve) >>>> - and suck back >>>> >>>> On sucking the valve has to block, totally block the sucking back. If >>>> there is gentle blow by the valve is gone. >>>> >>>> My HD valve construction can be easy made by people who has a lathe. >>>> The dimensions aren't important. >>>> You can take the normal PVC valve as pattern. >>>> >>>> The spring is the important part. I used a snippet of a SU carb spring >>>> for valve operating. >>>> >>>> Installed: >>>> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI >>>> /GcSEH >>>> 3d4wnU/s983/20121101_130726.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Chris >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From sjanzen at me.com Fri Feb 1 09:32:02 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:32:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D7B857A-49DF-4995-93C8-53063A9DB7D5@me.com> wow, I'm going to have to go to this someday to see all the cars - this is much more of a spectacle than the typical vintage event I go to. On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:20 AM, George Harmuth wrote: "The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking" I was working the race last weekend as a flagger. They had this TR8 in the Heritage Racer section of the infield, next to a nice Lotus powered Ford Cortina http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_3.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_1.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Group44_2.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusCortina.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/LotusPart.jpg Tough work, but someone has to do it; http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/NOSGirls.jpg mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From John.Reed at wilson.com Fri Feb 1 10:02:44 2013 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:02:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tough work, but someone has to do it; Nice umbrellas!! On 2/1/13 9:20 AM, "George Harmuth" wrote: Tough work, but someone has to do it; John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3442561364_57204686] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Feb 1 10:04:18 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:04:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 24 HOURS OF DAYTONA PICTURES......now KASTNER CUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <9D7B857A-49DF-4995-93C8-53063A9DB7D5@me.com> References: <9D7B857A-49DF-4995-93C8-53063A9DB7D5@me.com> Message-ID: <8CFCEB54E6BBB6A-231C-650EC@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> A Group 44 prepared TR8 will likely be with us at the KASTNER CUP, not to mention the TR250K, a PLN tribute TR6, SCCA Championship cars, TRIUMPH SPECIALS, newly restored WET SLEEVE TRs and much, much more. Yesterday, I got a call from Colorado. The RMVR guys are planning to come....those guys usually stick close to the mountains. The Kastner Cup is not the 24 HOURS OF DAYTONA, but something very special is going on here. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: George Harmuth Cc: fot Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 10:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 74, Issue 57 wow, I'm going to have to go to this someday to see all the cars - this is much more of a spectacle than the typical vintage event I go to. On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:20 AM, George Harmuth wrote: "The 24 hour race at Daytona this weekend got me thinking" I was working the race last weekend as a flagger. They had this TR8 in the Heritage Racer section of the infield, next to a nice Lotus powered Ford Cortina http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Gro up44_3.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Gro up44_1.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Gro up44_2.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Lot usCortina.jpg http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/Lot usPart.jpg Tough work, but someone has to do it; http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/2013%20Rolex%2024%20hr%20race/NOS Girls.jpg mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Feb 1 14:41:59 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:41:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Umbrella holders In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Somewhere there is a picture floating around of me holding an umbrella over Jeff Snook last time FOT was at Road America. Jeff, I'd have to say you got the short end of the stick on that one! From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 1 15:20:13 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:20:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Umbrella holders Message-ID: <14ec7.4f926d39.3e3d999d@aol.com> In a message dated 02/01/2013 3:42:10 PM Central Standard Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > Somewhere there is a picture floating around of me holding an umbrella > over > Jeff Snook last time FOT was at Road America. Jeff, I'd have to say you > got > the short end of the stick on that one! > I remember that. It was neither sunny nor raining. Folks were just throwing stuff at Snook. I threw a roll of duct tape. Bill (Damdinger) From horizonracing at msn.com Sat Feb 2 09:30:39 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 08:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR 6 cyl R/rockers Message-ID: Good Morning, I have a lighty used set of Rollers for sale. They were used 2-3 events on the K car. No adjusters. $200 or BO Please contact me off list. Thank youTony From horizonracing at msn.com Sat Feb 2 10:07:50 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 09:07:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] R/Rockers SOLD Thx Message-ID: From joeg at neb.rr.com Sat Feb 2 12:31:24 2013 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:31:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01ce017b$e3483b10$a9d8b130$@rr.com> FOT, I find myself in need of wheels for a couple Spitfire vintage racers. Long story short - a "friend" who I was sub-letting some storage space from stopped paying his bill, and everything in the space was sold at auction. I lost three sets of polished aluminum dish wheels, two sets of Cosmic alloys, one set of really cool Compomotive alloys, and a couple sets of stock Spitfire wheels. That's not to mention the two Spitfires (one badly wrecked, one very restorable). Eh, life goes on... Anyway - if you have any Spitfire / GT6 wheels suitable for use on a race car that you are not using, please let me know what you need for them. I won't be able to replace everything I lost, but I need three sets of wheels pretty badly if I'm going to make the Kastner Cup in September. Joe Guinan Fremont, Nebraska joeg at neb.rr.com or Spitfirejoe at email.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Feb 3 09:18:49 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 08:18:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Chassis number Message-ID: <1359908329.30833.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: Does the small plate on the chassis cross member, under the front of the engine on a TR2-4 donate something? Is this a chassis #, a batch # from the chassis manufacturer? Who made the chassis for the TR2-4 for Triumph? Thanks in advance. -Ed- From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Feb 3 13:11:49 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 15:11:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky Message-ID: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Amici, It seems that Lanky has gotten a lot of well-deserved coverage lately (see also the Oct-Nov VTR magazine) but Jimmy hasn't been "in the lime light". In an effort to generate more interest in sponsoring an "ad" memorializing them in Levy's next book, I asked Kas to give me a write up about Jimmy. Here's Kas' note: Mike Cook is doing a very good memorial article of Jimmy for the VTR magazine and it will probably bet better than anything I can give you as it will all be repeats. But try this on: James Anthony Coan came to me in the middle of 1965 as a brash, aggressive young guy who said he wanted to work at a challenging job. I gave him the opportunity with a 18" wide broom. Broom engineering lasted a couple weeks and then it was obvious he really had some interest in what we were doing and the complication of running a department that was working all over the country with a minimum of assistance from the mother factory. With his basic mechanical knowledge gained working at a dealership, Jim put his head into helping build a series of cars for the 1966 Sebring 12 hour event. This was his first test of showing devotion to his job. The hours spent in that effort were quite incredible. From this rather harsh test of abilities, I then heaped work on him. Jimmy responded at the top of the page every time. It was not the effort as a mechanic that I found and later treasured, but the devotion to his job and interest in learning everything he could about every aspect of working in a technical arena with close inspection all the time from outside sources. Jim's response to more and more detailed assignments gave the answers that I wanted and were needed to further the competition departments goals of assisting private owners. When I resigned from British Leyland it was a great pleasure to recommend Jimmy Coan as my replacement. Jimmy was my loyal and very good friend. Our friendship and trust continued long after our Triumph days and through the very last hours of his life. In case you haven't seen the artwork, here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well short of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls send me a note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list of pledges. tnx jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 13:27:36 2013 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:27:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <2424B429-80EE-4AA3-9B7E-30E17E01795E@bnj.com> Hi Jim. I'll kick in a hundred. Your email address will work for a paypal payment. Is that OK with you? On Feb 3, 2013, at 10:11 AM, "J.C. Hassall" wrote: > Amici, > > It seems that Lanky has gotten a lot of well-deserved coverage lately (see also the Oct-Nov VTR magazine) but Jimmy hasn't been "in the lime light". In an effort to generate more interest in sponsoring an "ad" memorializing them in Levy's next book, I asked Kas to give me a write up about Jimmy. Here's Kas' note: > > Mike Cook is doing a very good memorial article of Jimmy for the VTR magazine and it will probably bet better than anything I can give you as it will all be repeats. But try this on: > > James Anthony Coan came to me in the middle of 1965 as a brash, aggressive young guy who said he wanted to work at a challenging job. I gave him the opportunity with a 18" wide broom. Broom engineering lasted a couple weeks and then it was obvious he really had some interest in what we were doing and the complication of running a department that was working all over the country with a minimum of assistance from the mother factory. > > With his basic mechanical knowledge gained working at a dealership, Jim put his head into helping build a series of cars for the 1966 Sebring 12 hour event. This was his first test of showing devotion to his job. The hours spent in that effort were quite incredible. From this rather harsh test of abilities, I then heaped work on him. Jimmy responded at the top of the page every time. > > It was not the effort as a mechanic that I found and later treasured, but the devotion to his job and interest in learning everything he could about every aspect of working in a technical arena with close inspection all the time from outside sources. Jim's response to more and more detailed assignments gave the answers that I wanted and were needed to further the competition departments goals of assisting private owners. When I resigned from British Leyland it was a great pleasure to recommend Jimmy Coan as my replacement. Jimmy was my loyal and very good friend. Our friendship and trust continued long after our Triumph days and through the very last hours of his life. > > > In case you haven't seen the artwork, here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ > > I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well short of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls send me a note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list of pledges. > > tnx > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Feb 3 14:31:00 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <510ED714.5010506@bradakis.com> > I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well > short of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls > send me a note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list > of pledges. > > tnx > > jim > The company I am currently working with takes their own sweet time paying on the invoices I send. If I get a decent check before the 11th, I'll kick in a few bucks. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 3 15:45:18 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:45:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: Please list a mailing address so I can send a check. Maybe some other folks need it also. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 15:11:49 -0500 > From: jhassall at blacksburg.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky > > Amici, > > It seems that Lanky has gotten a lot of well-deserved coverage lately > (see also the Oct-Nov VTR magazine) but Jimmy hasn't been "in the lime > light". In an effort to generate more interest in sponsoring an "ad" > memorializing them in Levy's next book, I asked Kas to give me a write > up about Jimmy. Here's Kas' note: > > Mike Cook is doing a very good memorial article of Jimmy for the VTR > magazine and it will probably bet better than anything I can give you as > it will all be repeats. But try this on: > > James Anthony Coan came to me in the middle of 1965 as a brash, > aggressive young guy who said he wanted to work at a challenging job. I > gave him the opportunity with a 18" wide broom. Broom > engineering lasted a couple weeks and then it was obvious he really had > some interest in what we were doing and the complication of running a > department that was working all over the country with a minimum of > assistance from the mother factory. > > With his basic mechanical knowledge gained working at a dealership, Jim > put his head into helping build a series of cars for the 1966 Sebring 12 > hour event. This was his first test of showing devotion to his job. The > hours spent in that effort were quite incredible. From this rather harsh > test of abilities, I then heaped work on him. Jimmy responded at the top > of the page every time. > > It was not the effort as a mechanic that I found and later treasured, > but the devotion to his job and interest in learning everything he could > about every aspect of working in a technical arena with close inspection > all the time from outside sources. Jim's response to more and more > detailed assignments gave the answers that I wanted and were needed to > further the competition departments goals of assisting private owners. > When I resigned from British Leyland it was a great pleasure to > recommend Jimmy Coan as my replacement. Jimmy was my loyal and very > good friend. Our friendship and trust continued long after our Triumph > days and through the very last hours of his life. > > > In case you haven't seen the artwork, here's the link: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/92513095 at N03/8408581917/ > > I need pledges by 11 FEB for this to happen, and we're still well short > of critical mass. If you're thinking about participating, pls send me a > note with a $ amount that I can add to the (very short) list of pledges. > > tnx > > jim > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Feb 3 18:35:14 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:35:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] memorial "ad" for Jimmy and Lanky In-Reply-To: References: <510EC485.6060707@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <510F1052.2010906@blacksburg.net> On 2/3/2013 5:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Please list a mailing address so I can send a check. Maybe some other > folks need it also. > > Never be beaten by equipment Tnx Kas, I appreciate it. My address is J.C. Hassall 103 Airport Rd. Blacksburg VA 24060 Pls provide a return address, so if we don't make critical mass I can return the check. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Feb 3 19:57:03 2013 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:57:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Chassis number In-Reply-To: <20130203223001.E3ORJ.40732.root@cdptpa-web26-z01> Message-ID: <1359946623.17957.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all for all the replies. Revision/batch level makes sense. I have three restorations I am currently working on, a TR3, a TR3A, and a 3B. Each have a number starting with Z, and each model has a higher number after the Z. Whats curious is that even the 3B has the bracket for the fuel shut-off valve, although the valve had stopped being used years earlier. Some bloke at the frame factory kept welding that bracket on, year after year, because some engineer forget to delete it from the drawing, or some supervisor forgot to tell the guy they deleted it That would never happen in a modern Chinese factory. Some comrade gets an extra ration of fish heads and rice for a cost savings idea. :O) Thanks - Ed --- On Sun, 2/3/13, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Chassis number To: "EDWARD BARNARD" Date: Sunday, February 3, 2013, 4:30 PM The Z number notes to a frame design it changes as mods to the frame are made throught the production tom ---- EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group: > Does the small plate on the chassis cross member, under the front of the engine on a TR2-4 donate something? Is this a chassis #, a batch # from the chassis manufacturer? Who made the chassis for the TR2-4 for Triumph? > Thanks in advance. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Feb 4 15:37:05 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:37:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Autoweek article on George Waltman Message-ID: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I saw this this morning on my daily Autoweek email update. Figured the group would enjoy this. A different time for sure. http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130203/GRAND_AM/130209955?utm_source=Racing 20130203&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article4&utm_content=20130203-Rolex- 24,-racing-iron-man-Geroge-Waltman-dies&utm_campaign=awRacing Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From sjanzen at me.com Mon Feb 4 15:43:07 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:43:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Autoweek article on George Waltman In-Reply-To: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Fantastic! On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: I saw this this morning on my daily Autoweek email update. Figured the group would enjoy this. A different time for sure. http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130203/GRAND_AM/130209955?utm_source=Racing 20130203&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article4&utm_content=20130203-Rolex- 24,-racing-iron-man-Geroge-Waltman-dies&utm_campaign=awRacing Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Feb 4 15:49:29 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:49:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Autoweek article on George Waltman In-Reply-To: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1360017425.90680.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Coincidentally, there's a white Morgan listed for sale in the latest SCCA magazine. Says it has significant history, and says the reason for sale is octogenarianism. On Feb 4, 2013 5:37 PM, "Mike Mehl" wrote: > I saw this this morning on my daily Autoweek email update. Figured the > group would enjoy this. A different time for sure. > > > http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130203/GRAND_AM/130209955?utm_source=Racing > > 20130203&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article4&utm_content=20130203-Rolex- > 24,-racing-iron-man-Geroge-Waltman-dies&utm_campaign=awRacing > > Mike Mehl #46 > TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/donmarshall at nefcom.net From rikrock at live.com Mon Feb 4 16:47:02 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:47:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Octogenarianism Message-ID: Wow, the Morgan is up for sale. Michael Mulroney was a regular at SCCA regional races at Summit Point with that car. Tow the car to the track on an open trailer behind his pickup. Did it almost always without any help, in spite of his age. Rich Rock From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 17:21:52 2013 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:21:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Octogenarianism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37103361-A53B-457B-941B-63EF194C4B5B@gmail.com> He also sold is GN/Morgan contraption last year -- a 1926 Morgan three wheeler with a GN rear axle to make it into a single seater 4-wheeler. He gave up on the Blackburne V-twin (last time I saw him run it at Road America it was spouting steam like a teakettle) and mounted a Harley shovelhead. Duncan On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > Wow, the Morgan is up for sale. Michael Mulroney was a regular at SCCA > regional races at Summit Point with that car. Tow the car to the track on an > open trailer behind his pickup. Did it almost always without any help, in > spite of his age. > > Rich Rock From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 5 17:20:45 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 16:20:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Great Spitfire photo Message-ID: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> I think you'll like this RB https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/69282_333603943423338_1663745817_ n.jpg From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Feb 5 20:21:57 2013 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 21:21:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001601ce0419$1ec8e960$5c5abc20$@rr.com> Friends, Thanks for the many responses to my inquiry. I've purchased a set of TR7 alloys (thanks to FOT Russ Moore for suggesting TR7 wheels and FOT Kevin Lynch for reminding me to check Craigslist), a set of "new" Magnesium Minilites (thanks to FOT Paul MacDonald for the eBay link), and will soon purchase some Minator Minilite copies (from FOT Scott Barr - who may also have the missing spare wheel for the trailer I use!) and a set of stock steelies for cost of shipping only from FOT member Christopher Bock. The TR7 wheels are off local Craigslist from one of my best friends in our local Brit Car Club. I didn't even know he had them, let alone that he was selling them. Got an offer of some other minilite copies from a North American Spitfire Squadron member - but they were pricey. He may have some other racing parts I may find use for, though. My big question - How worried should I be about cracking the Magnesium wheels? Use them for rain tires only? Thanks FOT! What a (non)-Club! Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:31:24 -0600 From: "Joe Guinan" To: Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: <001b01ce017b$e3483b10$a9d8b130$@rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FOT, I find myself in need of wheels for a couple Spitfire vintage racers. Long story short - a "friend" who I was sub-letting some storage space from stopped paying his bill, and everything in the space was sold at auction. I lost three sets of polished aluminum dish wheels, two sets of Cosmic alloys, one set of really cool Compomotive alloys, and a couple sets of stock Spitfire wheels. That's not to mention the two Spitfires (one badly wrecked, one very restorable). Eh, life goes on... Anyway - if you have any Spitfire / GT6 wheels suitable for use on a race car that you are not using, please let me know what you need for them. I won't be able to replace everything I lost, but I need three sets of wheels pretty badly if I'm going to make the Kastner Cup in September. Joe Guinan Fremont, Nebraska joeg at neb.rr.com or Spitfirejoe at email.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Feb 5 21:23:58 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:23:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> Message-ID: <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a TR6? Thanks, Jim From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 21:59:55 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum firm. Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do not lie and so I am running with 1 degree. What do you think Garmey and Babcock? On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a > TR6? > Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 5 23:22:30 2013 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 06:22:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud>, <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: It depends on how it handles for your style of driving. 2 degrees sounds like way too much. One degree seems about right. When the squat or conerning roll comes in, that negative increases a lot. Thus so does the understeer (that's Mr. Slow). Tire temps are not reliable unless they are taken almost instantly when leaving the last corner. Not with a heat gun either, but must be with a needle probe. With the kind of tires used in this type of racing I don't really think they mean ANYTHING. Get some feel into it. Your ass will tell you when it is good. Unless you have swing axles negative camber is SLOW SLOW SLOW. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 > > Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound > springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum firm. > Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. > Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do not > lie and so I am running with 1 degree. > > What do you think Garmey and Babcock? > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > > > Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a > > TR6? > > Thanks, Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 07:42:04 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:42:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <514F0AFA-8A8B-4851-A226-C16833BFB95A@yahoo.com> With bias ply tires I use 3/4 neg, 1/16 toe in with 600# Springs a 1.5 hollow adjustable sway bar and a Lincoln Locker. I have a slight bit of oversteer. Always run take-off tires from higher level drivers. (thanks Sam) I do use a probe type pyrometer. Car is 2160 to 2200 as raced. >From what I saw last spring Tony doesn't spend enough time on the ground to build much heat into his tires.:-) How much does the TR250K weigh anyway? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > It depends on how it handles for your style of driving. 2 degrees sounds > like way too much. One degree seems about right. When the squat or conerning > roll comes in, that negative increases a lot. Thus so does the understeer > (that's Mr. Slow). Tire temps are not reliable unless they are taken almost > instantly when leaving the last corner. Not with a heat gun either, but must > be with a needle probe. With the kind of tires used in this type of racing I > don't really think they mean ANYTHING. Get some feel into it. Your ass will > tell you when it is good. Unless you have swing axles negative camber is SLOW > SLOW SLOW. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 >> From: triosan at gmail.com >> To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 >> >> Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound >> springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum firm. >> Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. >> Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do not >> lie and so I am running with 1 degree. >> >> What do you think Garmey and Babcock? >> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn > wrote: >> >>> Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a >>> TR6? >>> Thanks, Jim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From gasket.works at gte.net Wed Feb 6 07:53:53 2013 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:53:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what it takes. See below. Second please. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "FoodDude" Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 To: 'MORDY DUNST' Cc: 'Henry Frye' Subject: RE: website Hi Mordy, After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school (only), I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we determined that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage race events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include participation in other National events across the country this year and next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the Vintage series. We have now: 1975 Tr6 1962 TR4 1963 TR4 1964 Spitfire Racer 1960 TR6 Chump Racer Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another Stag in my future! Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called BeanitosR, the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES to autocross). We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event this month. Cheers, Dave Foreman Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com Cell: 512-576-1933 From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM To: FoodDude Cc: Henry Frye Subject: Re: website Dave> Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few sentances summary. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com Dunroth Farm, Inc Capt. Black's Beef Jerky Capt. Black's Hot Sauce 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT - 8 This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: FoodDude To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: website Hello, The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in Firefox. Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with FOT? Thanks, Dave Foreman Hill Country Triumph Club Triumph Stag Club USA No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Feb 6 08:10:14 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:10:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CFD29333327424-1E4C-3826@webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com> Of course! Welcome aboard! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: gasket.works To: FOT ; Mark J Bradakis Sent: Wed, Feb 6, 2013 8:59 am Subject: [Fot] Nomination Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what it takes. See below. Second please. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "FoodDude" Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 To: 'MORDY DUNST' Cc: 'Henry Frye' Subject: RE: website Hi Mordy, After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school (only), I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we determined that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage race events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include participation in other National events across the country this year and next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the Vintage series. We have now: 1975 Tr6 1962 TR4 1963 TR4 1964 Spitfire Racer 1960 TR6 Chump Racer Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another Stag in my future! Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called BeanitosR, the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES to autocross). We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event this month. Cheers, Dave Foreman Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com Cell: 512-576-1933 From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM To: FoodDude Cc: Henry Frye Subject: Re: website Dave> Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few sentances summary. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com Dunroth Farm, Inc Capt. Black's Beef Jerky Capt. Black's Hot Sauce 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT - 8 This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: FoodDude To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: website Hello, The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in Firefox. Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with FOT? Thanks, Dave Foreman Hill Country Triumph Club Triumph Stag Club USA No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Feb 6 08:33:41 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 07:33:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <514F0AFA-8A8B-4851-A226-C16833BFB95A@yahoo.com> References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud>, <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , <514F0AFA-8A8B-4851-A226-C16833BFB95A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: The "K" Car Hoosier speedsters450-500 lb rear springs5/8-3/4 ? solid rear bar (the org. with ground flat spot from the sebring wheel failure still there)Camber ? toe..see abovequaife LSDcar weighs 2200 give or take.Car does have it's handling issues. Still has the rubber/poly bushings etc. but it is what is...... > From: fasttrs at yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:42:04 -0600 > To: kaskas at cox.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 > > With bias ply tires I use 3/4 neg, 1/16 toe in with 600# Springs a 1.5 hollow > adjustable sway bar and a Lincoln Locker. I have a slight bit of oversteer. > Always run take-off tires from higher level drivers. (thanks Sam) > I do use a probe type pyrometer. > Car is 2160 to 2200 as raced. > From what I saw last spring Tony doesn't spend enough time on the ground to > build much heat into his tires.:-) > How much does the TR250K weigh anyway? > > Mike > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:22 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > It depends on how it handles for your style of driving. 2 degrees sounds > > like way too much. One degree seems about right. When the squat or > conerning > > roll comes in, that negative increases a lot. Thus so does the understeer > > (that's Mr. Slow). Tire temps are not reliable unless they are taken almost > > instantly when leaving the last corner. Not with a heat gun either, but > must > > be with a needle probe. With the kind of tires used in this type of racing > I > > don't really think they mean ANYTHING. Get some feel into it. Your ass > will > > tell you when it is good. Unless you have swing axles negative camber is > SLOW > > SLOW SLOW. > > > > Never be beaten by equipment > >> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:55 -0800 > >> From: triosan at gmail.com > >> To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > >> CC: fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 > >> > >> Will be interesting to see responses. For my TR6 race car I have 800 pound > >> springs in the rear with Spax adjustable shocks set to almost maximum > firm. > >> Reading the tire temps tells me that about 1 degree negative is correct. > >> Many have told me that 2 to 2.5 is best. But I gotta think the tires do > not > >> lie and so I am running with 1 degree. > >> > >> What do you think Garmey and Babcock? > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, sherry robyn > > wrote: > >> > >>> Has anyone done any experimenting on the best performing rear camber on a > >>> TR6? > >>> Thanks, Jim > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Feb 6 09:38:21 2013 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 11:38:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chicago British car swap meet Message-ID: <511286FD.9050102@bright.net> Hello List(s). The Chicago swap meet is just around the corner - Feb. 24. This is a good event. If you haven't been to it, it is worth attending. Details can be found at www.britishcarswap.info. If you are a first time attendee, go early. The show hours are supposedly until 3 pm but you will not find anyone there much after 1. We will be in our usual spaces in building 2. If you want me to bring anything, please let me know. (free freight is good). Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From triosan at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 09:43:48 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:43:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Anyone who races a TR6 gets my vote! On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:53 AM, wrote: > Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what > it takes. See below. Second please. > M > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "FoodDude" > Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 > To: 'MORDY DUNST' > Cc: 'Henry Frye' > Subject: RE: website > > Hi Mordy, > > After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school > (only), > I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a > vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we > determined > that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be > about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a > vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me > from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage > race > events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the > vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the > Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams > practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include > participation in other National events across the country this year and > next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas > World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at > Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then > off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the > Vintage series. > > > > We have now: > > 1975 Tr6 > > 1962 TR4 > > 1963 TR4 > > 1964 Spitfire Racer > > 1960 TR6 Chump Racer > > Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another > Stag in my future! > > > > Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag > Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) > > > > I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called > BeanitosR, > the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES > to autocross). > > > > We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks > considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already > collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at > least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event > this month. > > > > Cheers, > > Dave Foreman > > Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com > > Cell: 512-576-1933 > > > > From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM > To: FoodDude > Cc: Henry Frye > Subject: Re: website > > > > Dave> > > > > Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few > sentances summary. > > > > > > Mordy > > > > M.N.Dunst > Gasket Works USA, LLC > www.Headgasket.com > Dunroth Farm, Inc > Capt. Black's Beef Jerky > Capt. Black's Hot Sauce > 626.358.1616 ph1 > 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > > > > Triple R Munitions, Inc. > Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. > 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT > 626.628.3777 fax > GMT - 8 > This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, > undisclosed > or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in > error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of > it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail > or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank > you > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: FoodDude > > To: gasket.works at gte.net > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM > > Subject: website > > > > Hello, > > The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in > Firefox. > > > > Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed > by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with > FOT? > > > > Thanks, > > Dave Foreman > > Hill Country Triumph Club > > Triumph Stag Club USA > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 10:00:40 2013 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:00:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Anyone that races a TR6 gets my condolences! Welcome !! Mike #28 EP TR6 Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > Anyone who races a TR6 gets my vote! > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:53 AM, From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Feb 6 11:00:55 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:00:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi - 2 degrees negative may work for radials, but that's too much camber for bias tires. Plus, as Kas pointed out, the dynamic camber change on the TR IRS is pretty big... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From atr6racer at hotmail.com Wed Feb 6 11:13:15 2013 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:13:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rear camber for a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <348367C0D47E4CA183E4E4FDAD3E80CF@Bud> <1360124638.16216.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I cured this problem with an entire re-worked double A-arm rear suspension on my SCCA car. But on my other race TR6's I would actually set my rear camber with a half degree POSITIVE camber to help keep the car from excessive negative camber under power. Sam Halkias On Feb 6, 2013, at 1:03 PM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote: > Hi - 2 degrees negative may work for radials, but that's too much camber for bias tires. Plus, as Kas pointed out, the dynamic camber change on the TR IRS is pretty big... > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Feb 6 11:46:32 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:46:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <06CFDAE1-5783-4DA6-A4F7-33DF7F67D9A3@austin.rr.com> Shame on me for not nominating Dave. He picked up the Lemon's TR6 from me Saturday and told me about the Spitfire so I could pass the info on to another potential racer. Then he decided to buy the Spit too! The TR6 was languishing unused, having completed two Lemons races and Dave will put it to good use. He is taking the CVAR driving school at the end if this month. With him and Robert Mackenzie we will have 4 Spits, 4 TR4's, a GT6, a TR3 and two TR powered Morgans active in TXFoT. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Mike Munson wrote: > Anyone that races a TR6 gets my condolences! > Welcome !! > > Mike > #28 EP TR6 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 6, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" > wrote: > >> Anyone who races a TR6 gets my vote! >> >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:53 AM, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From igofaster at att.net Wed Feb 6 13:08:14 2013 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:08:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1360181294.62357.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> and he's from TEXAS! 2nd! Bobby ________________________________ From: "gasket.works at gte.net" To: FOT ; Mark J Bradakis Sent: Wed, February 6, 2013 8:59:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination Dave Foreman would like to be a member of our Fot. He certainly has what it takes. See below. Second please. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "FoodDude" Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:21:39 To: 'MORDY DUNST' Cc: 'Henry Frye' Subject: RE: website Hi Mordy, After I found out the Lemons/Chump TR6 would qualify for CVAR school (only), I looked further into the plan of bringing that car back to life as a vintage racer. With another TR6, and two TR4's in the stable, we determined that costs to convert any one of them into a true vintage racer would be about the same. In this case, more than the $$ I just spent buying a vintage race-ready 64 Spitfire, which is now on a truck on its way to me from out of state. The plan is to campaign that car in as many vintage race events as possible, gain license after the 4th, and hopefully enter the vintage race event supposedly to be held later this year at Circuit of the Americas (where we just spent the day with one of the Porsche teams practicing and tuning for the Grand Am event upcoming. Plans also include participation in other National events across the country this year and next. In June, after our running of the Chump Car World Series at Texas World Speedway, my (driver) wife and I will be at the FI race at Silverstone, followed by her best friends' wedding in central England, then off to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Back home for further prep for the Vintage series. We have now: 1975 Tr6 1962 TR4 1963 TR4 1964 Spitfire Racer 1960 TR6 Chump Racer Past: 1976 TR6; 1962 TR4; 1972 Stag; 1973 Stag and I KNOW there is another Stag in my future! Members: Hill Country Triumph Club, VTR, Texas SPOKES, SCCA, Triumph Stag Club USA (wife, Betina, is South Central region mgr) I am founder and president of a healthy snack food company called BeanitosR, the Original Bean ChipT www.Beanitos.com, and she is a Realtor (who LOVES to autocross). We are combining forces with other, primarily Triumph (but other LBC folks considered) enthusiasts to co-op on garage space, and are already collaborating efforts and resources on events. Looks like there are at least 4 cars from Hill Country Triumph Club participating in the CVAR event this month. Cheers, Dave Foreman Best email address is work: dave at beanitos.com Cell: 512-576-1933 From: MORDY DUNST [mailto:gasket.works at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 AM To: FoodDude Cc: Henry Frye Subject: Re: website Dave> Glad to hear you are racing. Send a photo to me please and a brief few sentances summary. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC www.Headgasket.com Dunroth Farm, Inc Capt. Black's Beef Jerky Capt. Black's Hot Sauce 626.358.1616 ph1 626.354.1591 ph2/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax Triple R Munitions, Inc. Type 6 and 7 certified F.F.L. 626.201.9471 ph/TEXT 626.628.3777 fax GMT - 8 This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged information, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender immediately, by e-mail or by phone at 626.358.1616 and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: FoodDude To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: website Hello, The upper nav links (above the horizontal line) are not clickable in Firefox. Also, we are campaigning a 1970 TR6 at Chump in June at TWS, to be followed by a cosmetic resto and vintage racing with same car. Can we hook up with FOT? Thanks, Dave Foreman Hill Country Triumph Club Triumph Stag Club USA No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6074 - Release Date: 02/01/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 6 14:17:03 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:17:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> Those of you who know of my passion for cooking will not be surprised to know I added him just because of the 'FoodDude' reference, Triumphs not considered ;-) mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Feb 7 07:56:15 2013 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:56:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] My new tow car.... In-Reply-To: <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <002701ce0543$4905aee0$db110ca0$@com> http://www.hummerforum.de/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=225&image_i d=1403 Cheers Chris From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu Feb 7 20:08:02 2013 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 21:08:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> FOT Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to see the results. I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. My questions are: Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the radiator? Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? What is the difference? Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of the block? Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? Thanks, Greg From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 7 20:14:34 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My new tow car.... References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> <002701ce0543$4905aee0$db110ca0$@com> Message-ID: Chris, thanks for the info. Now if my grandmother Gossmann was still alive, she could translate it for me! Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [Fot] My new tow car.... > http://www.hummerforum.de/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=225&image_i > d=1403 > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Feb 7 21:42:21 2013 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:42:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> Message-ID: You should see in the neighborhood of 30 psi on the engine side of the t-stat housing and in the vicinity of the radiator cap's pressure relief value on the upper radiator hose, probably around 10 psi. Tony Drews At 09:08 PM 2/7/2013, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >FOT > > > >Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to >see the results. > > > >I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 >and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct >spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the >top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. >For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a >welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and >the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style >radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and >the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the >hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping >directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater >port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the >suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I >have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will >first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am >guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the >pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. > > > >My questions are: > >Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the >radiator? > >Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? > >What is the difference? > >Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top >radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of >the block? > >Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Greg >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 8 09:29:03 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:29:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> Greg... While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help but chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time you drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when he had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' was one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an indication of its importance with our TR engines. Bill Dentinger From sjanzen at me.com Fri Feb 8 12:28:22 2013 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:28:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes Message-ID: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com> looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4-Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 From rikrock at live.com Fri Feb 8 12:41:12 2013 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:41:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes Message-ID: Interesting intake manifold modification! Rich Rock ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen Sent: 2/8/2013 2:29 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4 -Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Feb 8 14:45:29 2013 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:45:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> Message-ID: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Greg, I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. Larry Young On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to > see the results. > > > > I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 > and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct > spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the > top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. > For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a > welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and > the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style > radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and > the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the > hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping > directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater > port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the > suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I > have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will > first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am > guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the > pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. > > > > My questions are: > > Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the > radiator? > > Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? > > What is the difference? > > Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top > radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of > the block? > > Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Feb 8 14:55:49 2013 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:55:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes In-Reply-To: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com> References: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com> Message-ID: <7ff7fe8e881b55b91ffd439b5c4f1f2c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Bidding has ended... John On Fri, February 8, 2013 2:28 pm, Scott Janzen wrote: > looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4-Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Feb 8 15:23:00 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Message-ID: I now have the car & can attest that it works well. Like Kas told us, though, you need to take your time & make sure you he ALL the air out. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Greg, > I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. > Larry Young > > On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >> Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to >> see the results. >> >> >> I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 >> and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct >> spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the >> top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. >> For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a >> welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and >> the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style >> radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and >> the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the >> hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping >> directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater >> port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the >> suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I >> have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will >> first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am >> guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the >> pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. >> >> >> My questions are: >> >> Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the >> radiator? >> >> Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? >> >> What is the difference? >> >> Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top >> radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of >> the block? >> >> Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Feb 8 15:24:18 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:24:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Message-ID: <9B54F804-8953-4F53-A388-7A6BF7C4CBF4@gdhs.com> PS: Larry, I think the cap is 14 lbs. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Greg, > I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. > Larry Young > > On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >> Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to >> see the results. >> >> >> I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 >> and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct >> spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the >> top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. >> For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a >> welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and >> the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style >> radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and >> the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the >> hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping >> directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater >> port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the >> suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I >> have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will >> first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am >> guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the >> pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. >> >> >> My questions are: >> >> Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the >> radiator? >> >> Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? >> >> What is the difference? >> >> Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top >> radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of >> the block? >> >> Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Fri Feb 8 16:16:56 2013 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:16:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> References: <000001ce05a9$81b5cbb0$85216310$@rr.com> <511571F9.6050202@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1360365416.77897.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Greg; I used a Ford Radiator from Jegs. I also used the expansion tank from Jegs and put it where the battery box is. I plumbed out of the back of the head into the tank and out of the tank into the waterpump. I have never had water temps over 180F even on 95 degree days. I fill up the radiator first. Cap it off and then fill up the expansion tank to about 1" from the top and I am good to go. This gets the whole system full. I have the expansion tank because the radiator sits lower than a stock radiator and it allows me to get the system full of water. I use Parker 801 push lok hose to plumb the tank. If you like email me off line and I can send you some photos. Mike Mehl ________________________________ From: Larry Young To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Greg, I don't have an answer to your question regarding pressures, but I had a similar arrangement in my TR3. The Chevy style radiator is a great idea, because it eliminates the worry of overheating. I cut off the radiator fill cap and plugged it off, since it is unreachable anyway. I put the expansion tank in (from Pegasus I believe) so that I would have a way to fill it. I wanted to have water flowing thru the expansion tank to effectively increase the volume of water in the system. I went with the return to the suction side of the pump with 1/8 inch pipe and small diameter hose to keep the flow rate down. I drilled and tapped the thermostat housing for a drain valve so I could bleed all the air out. It worked very well and was one of the best upgrades I did to the car. Some would argue that you should have a cap to regulate the pressure downstream from the thermostat, but I found that it worked fine with something like a 7 lb cap on the expansion tank. You would think this would open up due to pumping pressure. I think if I did it over again, I'd just put a cap somewhere downstream from the thermostat and eliminate the expansion tank. I could probably find some photos if you'd like to see them. Larry Young On 2/7/2013 9:08 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Anyone out there every gauged coolant pressure on the TR block? I'd love to > see the results. > > > I am going through the process of adding a surge (expansion) tank on my TR3 > and I am starting to wonder if I am plumbing the return line in the correct > spot. I have installed the tank in the battery box with a line entering the > top of the tank that originates at the heater port in the rear of the head. > For the return line, off the bottom of the expansion tank, I have added a > welded fitting in my top radiator hose between the thermostat housing and > the radiator to accept the return line. I use a cross flow Chevy style > radiator so I have a metal radiator pipe between the thermostat housing and > the intake for the radiator. I thought it would be better to introduce the > hot coolant from the expansion tank back into the radiator vs dumping > directly back into suction side of the water pump via the return heater > port. My thinking was that I should not introduce hot coolant into the > suction side of the pump and re circulate it back thru the block. The way I > have it plumbed (if it works), the hot coolant from the expansion tank will > first go thru the radiator then into the pump and back thru the block. I am > guessing that downstream of the thermostat housing (I use a thermostat) the > pressure will be lower than at the back of the block. > > > My questions are: > > Has anyone measured pressure between the thermostat housing and the > radiator? > > Has anyone measured pressure at the back of the head heater port? > > What is the difference? > > Am I going to get coolant to flow from my expansion tank back into the top > radiator hose or is the pressure higher in that top hose than the back of > the block? > > Would it be better to plumb the return line into the return heater port? > > > Thanks, > > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri Feb 8 17:45:32 2013 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:45:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Message-ID: Wow! I have not seen this video before. This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) I think you will like this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Feb 8 18:29:59 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:29:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360373399.71037.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, that was very interesting and fun to watch. The commentator must have been a popular British voice of the time as I believe he did motorcycle trials as well. ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Fri, February 8, 2013 4:50:42 PM Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Wow! I have not seen this video before. This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) I think you will like this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri Feb 8 19:15:52 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:15:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video References: Message-ID: thanks Jason,,great video..I posted it on Facebook RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: "triumph friends" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:45 PM Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video > Wow! > I have not seen this video before. > This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) > I think you will like this! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Feb 8 21:36:50 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 23:36:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFD49635EC2AAA-1778-1AC7F@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com> Have watched this on You Tube on several occasions, just makes me anxious to get behind the wheel of my Spit GT out onto an autocross course. Current project on my car is replicating windows for the doors as on the factory cars. I'll be a bit drier at damp events with windows in the doors. Cheers, Bob T, '64 Spitfire GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 7:50 pm Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Wow! have not seen this video before. his is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) think you will like this! ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Feb 9 07:53:29 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:53:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Great find!!!!!! Race cars from the day were just so elegant, by and large. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 7:45 PM Subject: [Fot] 1965 Le Mans Works Spitfire Video Wow! I have not seen this video before. This is a great professional documentary from '65. (nice) I think you will like this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 11:34:50 2013 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 seat Message-ID: <1181178781.1042360.1360434890267.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Anyone have a nice pair of TR6 seat tracks/mounting brackets they'd part with? Please contact me off list. Thanks, Ed Woods From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Feb 8 11:09:39 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:09:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <4A18B494050A4337BFF3CA0FC1EC4073@hpd530> I agree, Bill. On my TR6 engine, where the the heater pipe comes out of the head at the rear, I removed the pipe and installed a petcock for bleeding out air. Easy to do and it seems to work. Of course, I don't have a heater in the car. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Greg... > > While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help > but > chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time > you > drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end > up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when > he > had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' > was > one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an > indication of its importance with our TR engines. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Feb 8 12:26:16 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:26:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow In-Reply-To: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bill, can you outline a good procedure for getting all of the air out of the system? Jim ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, February 8, 2013 8:39:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Greg... While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help but chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time you drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when he had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' was one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an indication of its importance with our TR engines. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Feb 8 16:55:53 2013 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:55:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes In-Reply-To: <7ff7fe8e881b55b91ffd439b5c4f1f2c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <75A04974-A2B3-4753-9ADC-031102204EE0@me.com>, <7ff7fe8e881b55b91ffd439b5c4f1f2c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: I'd say well bought. Hope the new owner get to enjoy it. > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:55:49 -0500 > From: rjl6n at cstone.net > To: sjanzen at me.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes > > Bidding has ended... > > John > > On Fri, February 8, 2013 2:28 pm, Scott Janzen wrote: > > looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-and-TR4 -Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_1182 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sat Feb 9 20:16:11 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 21:16:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <27375.1360466171@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Most persons around here racing TR's take the heater outlet from the head and route it back to the water pump for increased flow through the back of the head. My self included on my TR6. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Fri 08/02/13 10:09 AM , "Bill Tobin" william.tobin31 at verizon.net sent: I agree, Bill. On my TR6 engine, where the the heater pipe comes out of the head at the rear, I removed the pipe and installed a petcock for bleeding out air. Easy to do and it seems to work. Of course, I don't have a heater in the car. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Greg... > > While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l help > but > chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every time > you > drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you will end > up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even when > he > had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling system' > was > one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is an > indication of its importance with our TR engines. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > > > http://www.fot-racing.com [5] > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [6] > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [7] > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [8] > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [9] _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [13] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [14] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [15] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [16] Links: ------ [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [8] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [9] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fwilliam.tobin31%40verizon.net [12] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [13] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [14] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [15] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [16] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sun Feb 10 10:33:34 2013 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR6 seat tracks Message-ID: <748683528.1068245.1360517614393.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> List, B Found 'em , thanks to these lists. Thanks for all the responses. B Also found that new ones are available from TRF (and perhaps others) for around $80 each. B Ed Woods From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Feb 9 19:18:58 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 21:18:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> Hi, I have a large plastic funnel that fits snugly in my rad fill opening. I start pouring water in with both the petcocks open on the block; the one on the side behind the headers, and the one on top where the heater pipe was. Because the funnel is about a foot tall and doesn't leak coolant out where the neck goes into the rad, I have a volume of coolant in the funnel that extends above the block by several inches. And a little more gravity helping. When coolant comes out the lower petcock, I close it and wait for coolant to come out the top one, then close it. Seems to work ok. When the system is full and the partly full funnel is pulled out of the rad, some fluid will slop around, but it's easily cleaned up. Does this make sense? Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Bill, can you outline a good procedure for getting all of the air out of > the > system? Jim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "BillDentin at aol.com" > > To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Fri, > February 8, 2013 8:39:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow > Greg... > > While Tony Drews provided some bench mark numbers for you, I can'l > help but > chime in with the importance of a good "bleed" technique for every > time you > drain and refill your system. If you do not bleed properly, you > will end > up dealing with air pockets and bubbles. Kas has told me that even > when he > had trusted assistants on his race teams...'filling the cooling > system' was > one thing he always did himself. That's saying something, and is > an > indication of its importance with our TR engines. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 10 07:43:25 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:43:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It looks to me like it didn't sell. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 5:56 PM > To: rjl6n at cstone.net; sjanzen at me.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes > > I'd say well bought. Hope the new owner get to enjoy it. > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:55:49 -0500 > > From: rjl6n at cstone.net > > To: sjanzen at me.com > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph powered Devin on ebay - other makes > > > > Bidding has ended... > > > > John > > > > On Fri, February 8, 2013 2:28 pm, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > looks like a pretty car for strong money -$69k will by a few TRs! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1954-Devin-Special-Triumph-TR4-Chassis-an d- > TR4 > -Engine-/290855977437?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b85e01dd#ht_2468wt_11 82 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 10 07:45:29 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:45:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CAN-AM REUNION. 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I do have a bleeder (petcock) on the thermostat housing, on the right side. I forgot that one. The temp sender goes in the left side. It's tough getting old, you start forgetting things! My 86 year old cousin Marion tells me "You aint seen nothing yet!" You're right, it is the highest point and the last one to close. Thanks again. Bill From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 11 07:29:39 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:29:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR coolant pressure/flow Message-ID: <2012.87d6738.3e4a5a53@aol.com> Amici... All good advice, but of course...Kas covers this entire cooling system subject on pages 154 through 156 of his most recent 'TRIUMPH PREPARATION HANDBOOK'. Any TRIUMPH aficionado who does not have that (and his other books) is missing the boat. Bill Dentinger From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Feb 13 09:21:38 2013 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:21:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt application Message-ID: <000001ce0a06$33ba1e00$9b2e5a00$@hot-tr6.com> Can any FOT member please give me the ARP part number for main bearing cap bolts for a TR6? Thank You, Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 09:25:04 2013 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:25:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination. Message-ID: <0AA6BBD2-4CBE-4EE7-8157-7E02034E0BB3@yahoo.com> I would like to nominate a potential new member to the FOT . What steps do I need to take to move this great Triumph forward in the process? Jay From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Feb 13 09:37:52 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:37:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt application References: <000001ce0a06$33ba1e00$9b2e5a00$@hot-tr6.com> Message-ID: <848B6EAEC5A8438385E6C63E7743136C@Charly> http://goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=18 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Hollowell" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:21 AM Subject: [Fot] ARP Bolt application > Can any FOT member please give me the ARP part number for main bearing cap > bolts for a TR6? > > Thank You, > > Walt Hollowell > > Albuquerque, NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Feb 13 11:31:21 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Tube shock conversion on a TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360780281.26234.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've got the type of conversion unit that uses three boxed angle brackets and attaches through the body. My question relates to the piece of sheet rubber supplied to go on top of the lowest (and largest) bracket between the bracket and the body. I would think in the race application that this rubber should be left out and I have added a piece of 14 gauge steel on top of the body layer (horizonal in the trunk) that I may or may not weld in place. Does anyone have any thoughts on this particular area of this type conversion? Thanks, Jim From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 16:49:54 2013 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:49:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 78 Spitfire project car for sale Message-ID: <1360799394.21366.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> It pains me to say this, but... I need to sell one of my Spitfires. It is a 1978 Triumph Spitfire 1500. It was going to be my racer. I have taken a few things off to start on rebuilding it, so I have all the parts that were originally on it, except the original starter and hard top windows. There is some rust on the floor pan and lower rockers. It is in a lot better shape than Gertrude(my 71 MKIV) when I started working on her. I need to sell it fast. Clear title. Please email me if you are interested. I am attaching a couple pics of it from a year and a half ago. In one of the pics, it is the green one and not the blue one! I must emphasize that. The blue one is not, and will never be for sale! It has sat under a car cover since then, and I feel bad that I have accumulated another Spitfire ('80 1500) that is in great shape, pushing this one off and relinquishing it's duties as the "racer". Please let me know if you are interested. You can call me at 515-339-4228 or email me back for more info. Thanks everyone! Shawn Frank [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 62910_144462505597477_100001011850470_208463_1280430_n.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 24985_101828799860848_3021280_n.jpg] From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Feb 13 19:08:21 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:08:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> Message-ID: <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On a 74 TR6, I am installing on older tube shock conversion (boxed angle plates attached through the body). Does anyone know a good starting adjustment for series 80 Konis on the rear for autocrossing? It has heavy duty full length springs. Thanks, Jim From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Feb 14 10:16:33 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:16:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'm a long-time TR6 autocrosser. My suggestion would be to go to full stiff on the settings and then try to back off 'till the car isn't completely tail-happy. You are much better off with stiff shocks / springs in the rear than with a big roll bar because with the roll bar you'll lift the inside wheel and get wheel spin (unless you have a Detroit locker or maybe a Salisbury type). I know this from experience. With a Quaife or open diff, you will get wheel spin. I've done the big bar on my street TR6 (used to run that car in SCCA FSP) and with the race car (SCCA F Prepared). Stiff springs get you less body roll, less "squat" on take-off at the expense of making the back a little bit more loose (depends on how stiff the springs are). On rough courses, the car will be really tail happy, but that's the tradeoff. I hope this helps. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 12:21:54 2013 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:21:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> Well, my advice would be not to put that monstrosity on your car, let alone Autocross with it - unless you really like doing body and frame repair. Pardon by bluntness, but I can't understand why these things are still in use - I'd be surprised if at least half this list hasn't experienced, seen, or at least heard about the damage they can cause. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2013, at 9:08 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > On a 74 TR6, I am installing on older tube shock conversion (boxed angle > plates > attached through the body). Does anyone know a good starting > adjustment for > series 80 Konis on the rear for autocrossing? It has heavy > duty full length > springs. Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Feb 14 12:44:13 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:44:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment RATCO SHOCKCONVERSION In-Reply-To: <8CFD902691A9C49-13B0-7DDF@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> <8CFD902691A9C49-13B0-7DDF@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFD902CC28DDC6-13B0-7E7A@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> There have been some designs that got a deservedly bad reputation for creating stress and fatigue on chassis and body parts. AWFUL consequences. I believe that there are now some designs that are much improved. RATCO comes to mind..........worth looking at RATCO's design. I know that Tony's solid axle desgn for tube shock conversion addresses this issue and I can recommend it. I am not sure he advertizes it, but he does manufacture a kit. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jack Mc To: sherry robyn Cc: fot Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment Well, my advice would be not to put that monstrosity on your car, let alone Autocross with it - unless you really like doing body and frame repair. Pardon by bluntness, but I can't understand why these things are still in use - I'd be surprised if at least half this list hasn't experienced, seen, or at least heard about the damage they can cause. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2013, at 9:08 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > On a 74 TR6, I am installing on older tube shock conversion (boxed angle > plates > attached through the body). Does anyone know a good starting > adjustment for > series 80 Konis on the rear for autocrossing? It has heavy > duty full length > springs. Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 14 12:58:32 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:58:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) From REK46 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 13:02:59 2013 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:02:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: <5ecfd.3a0c97fc.3e4e9cf1@aol.com> They should change it to " LUCAS " In a message dated 2/14/2013 2:59:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 13:18:50 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:18:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DC3740A6E194E488074F5901570CEEA@Bud> I'd Rather Be 'Sailing' RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > Amici... > > Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean > cruise > ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, > after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 > people > are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet > facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to > High > Heaven. > > It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to > get > this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is > important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Feb 14 14:02:08 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:02:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> I am waiting for it to spring an OIL LEAK......... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:59 pm Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Feb 14 14:17:11 2013 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:17:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> Message-ID: <008d01ce0af8$a7939fc0$f6badf40$@rr.com> Maybe Porsche, and paint some gold on the stacks.................. .....so there's these folks who saved all year for a vacation, scheduled vacation time and now this is what they get! Sure makes even a bad day at the track seem pretty darn good. russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:59 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Amici... Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to High Heaven. It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 14 15:16:56 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:16:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: <14df2.40008a68.3e4ebc57@aol.com> In a message dated 02/14/2013 4:10:20 PM Central Standard Time, rfdeanes at gmail.com writes: > Now this ship is giving Triumph a bad name, now all the people on the > boat will relate the name to bad news.Think the owners would go for a name > change...possibly so ...especially to fill the cabins again.The tow rope broke > today and it still can't get to port, at least we know how to fix our > Triumphs. > I agree with the Fiat name and they can call Tony! > Mike Cooks says, "Yeah, FIAT! Flush It Again, Tony". And he's right. Bill (Damdinger) From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Thu Feb 14 16:31:41 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:31:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1360884701.29658.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Frame is in pretty good shape. The rear end is welded and it does have bar on the rear. I do plan to beef up the frame in the diff and shock area but it doesn't seem like there is not much I can do to beef up the trailing arm. These Konis have a built in bump stop. Jim ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: sherry robyn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, February 14, 2013 9:17:43 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment Hi, I'm a long-time TR6 autocrosser. My suggestion would be to go to full stiff on the settings and then try to back off 'till the car isn't completely tail-happy. You are much better off with stiff shocks / springs in the rear than with a big roll bar because with the roll bar you'll lift the inside wheel and get wheel spin (unless you have a Detroit locker or maybe a Salisbury type). I know this from experience. With a Quaife or open diff, you will get wheel spin. I've done the big bar on my street TR6 (used to run that car in SCCA FSP) and with the race car (SCCA F Prepared). Stiff springs get you less body roll, less "squat" on take-off at the expense of making the back a little bit more loose (depends on how stiff the springs are). On rough courses, the car will be really tail happy, but that's the tradeoff. I hope this helps. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Thu Feb 14 19:18:18 2013 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:18:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> Message-ID: <1360894698.12661.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On the suggestion to use heims joint, I can see that this principal could be advantageous but not sure how it would be done practically in the application of tube shock conversion and the trailing arm. I can't quite see how to use it on either end. I would think that the larger shock mount holes and rubber shock mount bushing might have a similar affect to the heim joint. Jim ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: Jack Mc Cc: sherry robyn ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Thu, February 14, 2013 12:23:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment Hi, Just to be clear, what Jack refers to is the fact that there are significant bending loads that can occur from both the normal motion of these telescopic shocks and supension bottoming that can occur because most of the tube shock conversions eliminate the lower bump stop in some manor, or at the very least change it. The point being that the SPRING (actually the wheel rate) limits the total weight transfer... so, in theory you can limit some of the bending load to the frame because of the shock. Note also that where the shock mounts to the trailing arm, there is an arcing motion, so this adds to the bending loads. So, if you can mount the shock at the trailing arm and the frame with heims joints, you should probably do so. As a point of information, the Gp 44 TR6 used the stock shock location on the trailing arm, albeit with considerable reinforcement and the top was secured to the roll cage. That setup is rock-solid - so a telescoping shock can be used. The key is where you mount it. Also, not mentioned to this point is the fact that "we" really can't know the condition of the frame in question and that would have considerable bearing on whether the setup will work or not. If this was my car, and I had no other options, I'd def. add "check rear upper crossmember" to the pre-event check for every event as this setup can result in failure in that area. I'll also point out from experience that the trailing arms themselves are prone to cracking either at the shock mount or between where the hub mounts and the pivot points, so if you go really, really stiff on the suspension, the trailing arms are likely to fail. On the other hand, you can set up the suspension fairly soft like it came from the factory... just don't chuck the car around or you'll bottom the suspension all the time and I'll guarantee that stuff will break. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 20:04:40 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:04:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] air compressor Message-ID: <3F5EA384E5B74C8997325A9F11520D7E@hpd530> Hi Gang, while wasting some time between a late afternoon Valentines lunch and my welding class, I stopped by Home Depot. I saw a small Porter Cable air compressor on sale for $39.00. 3 1/2 gallon, 135 psi, pancake style. 110 volt. Nice small unit to take to the races. Only flows 3 SCFM but should be fine for pumping up tires. The HD guys said it was some kind of holiday promotion left over. Normally around $90.00. They weren't sure if it was a local thing or nationwide. I just thought I'd let you know. It's always good to share the good deals. OBTW, I bought 4. Happy Valentines Day. Bill From bownes at seiri.com Thu Feb 14 20:23:00 2013 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] air compressor In-Reply-To: <3F5EA384E5B74C8997325A9F11520D7E@hpd530> References: <3F5EA384E5B74C8997325A9F11520D7E@hpd530> Message-ID: > OBTW, I bought 4. One for each tire? :) Bob From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 21:44:01 2013 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:44:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] damn embarrasing Message-ID: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Let me see ... A Triumph in the middle of nowhere with no power, failed electricals followed by a fire (?). Who would of thought. My 2 cents, Bob T PS now the comedians are starting to make the jokes, ha ha ha. From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Feb 14 13:23:18 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:23:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment In-Reply-To: <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com> <1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530> <1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, Just to be clear, what Jack refers to is the fact that there are significant bending loads that can occur from both the normal motion of these telescopic shocks and supension bottoming that can occur because most of the tube shock conversions eliminate the lower bump stop in some manor, or at the very least change it. The point being that the SPRING (actually the wheel rate) limits the total weight transfer... so, in theory you can limit some of the bending load to the frame because of the shock. Note also that where the shock mounts to the trailing arm, there is an arcing motion, so this adds to the bending loads. So, if you can mount the shock at the trailing arm and the frame with heims joints, you should probably do so. As a point of information, the Gp 44 TR6 used the stock shock location on the trailing arm, albeit with considerable reinforcement and the top was secured to the roll cage. That setup is rock-solid - so a telescoping shock can be used. The key is where you mount it. Also, not mentioned to this point is the fact that "we" really can't know the condition of the frame in question and that would have considerable bearing on whether the setup will work or not. If this was my car, and I had no other options, I'd def. add "check rear upper crossmember" to the pre-event check for every event as this setup can result in failure in that area. I'll also point out from experience that the trailing arms themselves are prone to cracking either at the shock mount or between where the hub mounts and the pivot points, so if you go really, really stiff on the suspension, the trailing arms are likely to fail. On the other hand, you can set up the suspension fairly soft like it came from the factory... just don't chuck the car around or you'll bottom the suspension all the time and I'll guarantee that stuff will break. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 14 13:32:03 2013 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... Message-ID: You know its interesting that Carnival owns Costa cruise line as well. What is funny, is that last year, we were going on a cruise the week after the Costa Concordia ran aground and this year we are leaving on a cruise this weekend. I don't know if I would schedule a cruise the week before me. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net RACER BUD wrote: >I'd Rather Be 'Sailing' >RB >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:58 AM >Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > > >> Amici... >> >> Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean >> cruise >> ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, >> after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 >> people >> are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet >> facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to >> High >> Heaven. >> >> It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to >> get >> this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is >> important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 14:11:28 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:11:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Oh Lord! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: ; Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... >I am waiting for it to spring an OIL LEAK......... > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BillDentin > To: fot > Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:59 pm > Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > > > Amici... > > Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean > cruise > ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, > after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 > people > are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet > facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things stink to > High > Heaven. > > It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to > get > this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is > important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 14:19:00 2013 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:19:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7D6F7741-349B-4E34-8E9B-4F1C9284F81F@comcast.net> Sounds like a TR road trip I've been on before. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Feb 14, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working toilet > facilities, and other implorable conditions From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Feb 14 16:09:54 2013 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:09:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <8CFD90DAE14EE63-13B0-8ED6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It's also listing, must have TR 6 springs on it. Terry Stetler From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 14 19:30:49 2013 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:30:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment References: <10696.7536775c.3e4681cf@aol.com><1360351576.44487.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><5F4FC25785F847FDBCC34A6FF913D329@hpd530><1360807701.62440.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6B956725-2E32-46A4-9E12-FC0CD8332B76@aol.com> <1360894698.12661.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05F7A4ED9E154AF09B1C7C07D1671386@Bud> Heims Joint used to be a great place for a beer.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: "Robert M. Lang" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment > On the suggestion to use heims joint, I can see that this principal could > be > advantageous but not sure how it would be done practically in the > application > of > tube shock conversion and the trailing arm. I can't quite see how to use > it on > either end. I would think that the larger shock mount holes and rubber > shock > mount bushing might have a similar affect to the heim joint. Jim > ________________________________ > From: Robert M. Lang > To: > Jack Mc > Cc: sherry robyn ; > "fot at autox.team.net" > > Sent: Thu, February 14, 2013 > 12:23:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Series 80 Koni adjustment > > Hi, > > Just to be > clear, what Jack refers to is the fact that there are significant > bending > loads that can occur from both the normal motion of these telescopic > shocks > and supension bottoming that can occur because most of the tube shock > conversions eliminate the lower bump stop in some manor, or at the very > least > change it. The point being that the SPRING (actually the wheel rate) > limits > the > total weight transfer... so, in theory you can limit some of the bending > load to > the frame because of the shock. Note also that where the shock mounts > to the > trailing arm, there is an arcing motion, so this adds to the bending > loads. So, > if you can mount the shock at the trailing arm and the frame with > heims joints, > you should probably do so. > > As a point of information, the Gp > 44 TR6 used the stock shock location on the > trailing arm, albeit with > considerable reinforcement and the top was secured to > the roll cage. That > setup is rock-solid - so a telescoping shock can be used. > The key is where > you mount it. > > Also, not mentioned to this point is the fact that "we" really > can't know the > condition of the frame in question and that would have > considerable bearing on > whether the setup will work or not. > > If this was my > car, and I had no other options, I'd def. add "check rear upper > crossmember" > to the pre-event check for every event as this setup can result in > failure in > that area. > > I'll also point out from experience that the trailing arms > themselves are prone > to cracking either at the shock mount or between where > the hub mounts and the > pivot points, so if you go really, really stiff on the > suspension, the trailing > arms are likely to fail. > > On the other hand, you can > set up the suspension fairly soft like it came from > the factory... just don't > chuck the car around or you'll bottom the suspension > all the time and I'll > guarantee that stuff will break. > > :-) > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former > NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 > | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From chansonjag at aol.com Fri Feb 15 05:21:08 2013 From: chansonjag at aol.com (chansonjag at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:21:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] [NET] damn embarrasing In-Reply-To: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFD98D5CC9C4ED-13D4-410@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> Was there any mention of Lucas electrics? Carl Hanson 1973 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 To: fot ; net Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 11:49 pm Subject: [NET] damn embarrasing Let me see ... A Triumph in the middle of nowhere with no power, failed electricals followed by a fire (?). Who would of thought. My 2 cents, Bob T PS now the comedians are starting to make the jokes, ha ha ha. _______________________________________________ NET mailing list NET at newenglandtriumphs.org http://newenglandtriumphs.org/mailman/listinfo/net_newenglandtriumphs.org From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 15:10:17 2013 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:10:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... In-Reply-To: <008d01ce0af8$a7939fc0$f6badf40$@rr.com> References: <65f1.24fce021.3e4e9be8@aol.com> <008d01ce0af8$a7939fc0$f6badf40$@rr.com> Message-ID: Now this ship is giving Triumph a bad name, now all the people on the boat will relate the name to bad news.Think the owners would go for a name change...possibly so ...especially to fill the cabins again.The tow rope broke today and it still can't get to port, at least we know how to fix our Triumphs. I agree with the Fiat name and they can call Tony! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Spitfire Racing < Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Maybe Porsche, and paint some gold on the stacks.................. > > > .....so there's these folks who saved all year for a vacation, scheduled > vacation time and now this is what they get! Sure makes even a bad day at > the track seem pretty darn good. > > russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:59 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Its damn'd embarrassing... > > Amici... > > Is anyone else embarrassed to learn that the poor, stalled Caribbean cruise > ship TRIUMPH is being towed slowly back to Texas by a bunch of tug boats, > after a fire caused engine failure. For days and days now, over 4,000 > people are stranded on board dealing with lack of food, water, working > toilet facilities, and other implorable conditions. I understand things > stink to High Heaven. > > It is time for action. I move the FOT gets involved with a campaign to get > this ship's name changed to FIAT, or some such. And, because this is > important, as usual Joe Alexander should do all the work. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Feb 17 11:36:29 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:36:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization Message-ID: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> Amici Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters I'm in northern New Jersey Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not Thanks in advance. Todd Redmond 1958 TR 3 A Sent from my iPhone From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Feb 17 12:22:08 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:22:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization In-Reply-To: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> Message-ID: <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> Look into Vintage Racing Group. I have a friend who races with them. Seems like a good group Chris On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > Amici > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters > I'm in northern New Jersey > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not > > Thanks in advance. > Todd Redmond > 1958 TR 3 A > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From kaskastner at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 12:58:33 2013 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:58:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] E Mail change Message-ID: My new E mail is changed to kaskastner at gmail.com. *Never be beaten by equipment.* From spitfiresuz at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 18:17:18 2013 From: spitfiresuz at gmail.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:17:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [NET] damn embarrasing In-Reply-To: <8CFD98D5CC9C4ED-13D4-410@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFD94E354A5714-1350-F52A@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> <8CFD98D5CC9C4ED-13D4-410@webmail-m093.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <457720B0-6D83-4E85-9E70-081FDEA6F159@gmail.com> I think the whole thing can be traced back to the loss of the cruise control... Susan ;) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2013, at 7:21 AM, chansonjag at aol.com wrote: > Was there any mention of Lucas electrics? > > Carl Hanson > 1973 TR6 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: fot ; net > Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 11:49 pm > Subject: [NET] damn embarrasing > > > Let me see ... A Triumph in the middle of nowhere with no power, failed > electricals followed by a fire (?). Who would of thought. > > My 2 cents, > Bob T > > PS now the comedians are starting to make the jokes, ha ha ha. > > _______________________________________________ > NET mailing list > NET at newenglandtriumphs.org > http://newenglandtriumphs.org/mailman/listinfo/net_newenglandtriumphs.org > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at gmail.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Feb 17 16:09:47 2013 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:09:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 clutch disk experiences Message-ID: <000301ce0d63$e1d30730$a5791590$@rr.com> Folks, I am close to getting a TR6 project moving along again. I started at the rear bumper and am now up to the firewall with the engine and pretty much the entire rest of the drive train rebuilt. I know a number of years back there was much conversation among some entities that "Magic" was required to get a clutch to work in a TR6. I never abided to that train of thought and identified it more as a mis-match of wrong parts. What I have is a new lightweight flywheel that is being mated with a LUK pressure plate. I have an AP clutch disk new in the box and also a LUK with maybe 10K on it. Are there any problems experienced with the AP brand of clutch disk as sold out of western PA maybe 15 years ago? Thanks Russ From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Feb 17 17:44:55 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:44:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization In-Reply-To: <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net>, <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> Message-ID: VRG lets me show up. Nor sure if that is good or bad for the rest of the field but I enjoy their events. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:22:08 -0500 > To: alfetta95 at optonline.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization > > Look into Vintage Racing Group. > I have a friend who races with them. Seems like a good group > > Chris > > On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > > > Amici > > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my > parameters > > I'm in northern New Jersey > > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky > > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest > organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one > > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern > NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. > > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Todd Redmond > > 1958 TR 3 A > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From list at mackenzie.aero Mon Feb 18 06:46:29 2013 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:46:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1147 Race Engine? Message-ID: <001201ce0dde$5eb7fce0$1c27f6a0$@aero> Does anybody have an 1147 Race Engine they want to sell? Please contact me offline at robert AT mackenzie DOT aero Thanks! From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 10:36:38 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:36:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Marty Message-ID: Marty, in response to your earlier message, I replied to all, but it got bounced. Here's my reply; As Groucho once said, "I'd never belong to a club that would have me as a member!" Great quote. VRG is a great bunch of folks who always put on a nice event. You should consider the Jefferson 500 in May at Summit Point. Nice track and a lot of fun. The organizers have always offered a deal that if you sign up early, you get a free test day. And you can buy power for the weekend for about $20. Bring your big extension cord. See you there. Bill From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 05:45:14 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:45:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net>, <460727E4-5696-4FA5-9C09-D34FC1D6AF2E@aol.com> Message-ID: <0933964B54544AE1995C813BEC14BF57@hpd530> Marty, remember what Groucho said, "I wouldn't be a member of a club that would have me as a member"! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization > VRG lets me show up. Nor sure if that is good or bad for the rest of the > field > but I enjoy their events. > > Marty > ---------------------------------------- >> From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com >> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:22:08 -0500 >> To: alfetta95 at optonline.net >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization >> >> Look into Vintage Racing Group. >> I have a friend who races with them. Seems like a good group >> >> Chris >> >> On Feb 17, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Todd Redmond >> wrote: >> >> > Amici >> > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of > my >> parameters >> > I'm in northern New Jersey >> > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky >> > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the >> > broadest >> organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one >> > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). > northern >> NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. >> > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not >> > >> > Thanks in advance. >> > Todd Redmond >> > 1958 TR 3 A >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Feb 18 12:49:21 2013 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig Wensley) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Marty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401ce0e11$0bccb100$23661300$@comcast.net> See Marty they even let Bill in at Summit Point (all though I don't know why) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:37 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Marty Marty, in response to your earlier message, I replied to all, but it got bounced. Here's my reply; As Groucho once said, "I'd never belong to a club that would have me as a member!" Great quote. VRG is a great bunch of folks who always put on a nice event. You should consider the Jefferson 500 in May at Summit Point. Nice track and a lot of fun. The organizers have always offered a deal that if you sign up early, you get a free test day. And you can buy power for the weekend for about $20. Bring your big extension cord. See you there. Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Feb 18 13:21:50 2013 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:21:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Organizations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e901ce0e15$95cc7670$c1656350$@org> IMHO, if you prepare your car to SVRA requirements you will be good to go with any East Coast or Mid West group with the exception of VSCCA (which doesn't allow many TR3s anyway). And, SVRA has good information on their website regarding their requirements. We've prepared my car to their vintage specs for almost 20 years and have been accepted anywhere I've tried. Any questions, and you can contact their technical guy online. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 13:29:53 2013 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:29:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Marty References: <001401ce0e11$0bccb100$23661300$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <399B1521355040EF8CF1AD0AF82C6BB5@hpd530> I think it had something to do with money: I had a check and they wanted it! Great bunch. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Wensley" To: "'Bill Tobin'" ; Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Marty > See Marty they even let Bill in at Summit Point (all though I don't know > why) > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Tobin > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:37 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Marty > > Marty, in response to your earlier message, I replied to all, but it got > bounced. > Here's my reply; As Groucho once said, "I'd never belong to a club that > would have me as a member!" > Great quote. > VRG is a great bunch of folks who always put on a nice event. You should > consider the Jefferson 500 in May at Summit Point. Nice track and a lot of > fun. The organizers have always offered a deal that if you sign up early, > you get a free test day. And you can buy power for the weekend for about > $20. > Bring your big extension cord. > See you there. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 18 17:34:37 2013 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Windows Live Team) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:34:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization In-Reply-To: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> References: <8B8ACED9-62A7-466B-81BD-00F6D6349878@optonline.net> Message-ID: Todd, I've raced with HRG for over 10 years with my TR3. Lot of nice people. Most also run in vintage and SCCA. I'm not real competative against 240zs and BMWs but who cares. I still have a lot of fun. The cars are based on 1973(I believe) SCCA rules. This why I run with them as I don't have the expense of updating my car. Lorne Fitz> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:36:29 -0500 > From: alfetta95 at optonline.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization > > Amici > Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters > I'm in northern New Jersey > Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky > Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one > SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. > I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not > > Thanks in advance. > Todd Redmond > 1958 TR 3 A > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lfritz82 at hotmail.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Feb 18 17:47:34 2013 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:47:34 GMT Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization Message-ID: <20130218.194734.19042.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Todd, if you build it to SCCA production specs as far as safety equipment you will probably exceed the specs for the vintage groups, but you should check all the rules. One rule that I found SVRA stricter was requiring tow hooks even on open cars. You can still come play in EP, I am still racing my TR3 in EP. My car with the big flared fenders, however is not eligible for most vintage racing groups. The NE SCCA still has HRG, which was Volvo Historic Series (VHS) at one time. I don't remember if it was VHS or HRG when you raced your eyetalian car. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Todd Redmond To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Advise on vintage racing organization Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:36:29 -0500 Amici Which organization rule book should I build the TR 3? Below are some of my parameters I'm in northern New Jersey Will race 4-6 weekends if I'm lucky Would prefer to build the car to the specs that will give me the broadest organization coverage. Don't want to do major changes for each one SVRA, VSCCA. When I raced SCCA IT( in one of them eyetalian cars). northern NJ had a vintage class. I think HRG. I think SCCA E-Prod is out of the question. BUT maybe not Thanks in advance. Todd Redmond 1958 TR 3 A Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... From tpettenati at yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 09:24:22 2013 From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:24:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Advise on Valve springs - Spitfire Message-ID: <1361291062.72379.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> All, I'm looking for some guidance selecting new valve springs and setting valve spring pressures on a 64 Spitfire used for vintage racing. Engine info: 1147 + .040, block and head shaved per comp manual, compression about 12:1 Cam = Kastner A7, .412 lift, duration 242 @ .050. stock rockers, tappets 2x SU HS2 carbs, large intake valves Rev limiter set at 7200 RPM, shift at 6500-7000 RPM British Parts Northwest provided the following specs on their dual spring kits. VS703K @1.340 Seat 70lbs, lift .412 175lbs VS6624 @1.340 Seat 35lbs, lift .412 145lbs I'm thinking the VS703K looks like a good choice, and the VS6624 would be a bit too light on seat pressure. Thanks for any insight. Tim From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed Feb 20 02:46:21 2013 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:46:21 +1100 Subject: [Fot] GT6 con rods Message-ID: <004901ce0f4f$24f4d060$6ede7120$@optushome.com.au> Amici Has anyone come up with a replacement OEM longer conrod for the 2litre GT6 motor to allow the TR6 pistons to be used Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Feb 20 13:53:33 2013 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:53:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Header Message-ID: What is the group's advice on the best place to find a good TR4 exhaust header. We seem to have "exploded" ours at the Road Atlanta race last weekend..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Feb 20 18:27:08 2013 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:27:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512577EC.2040100@blacksburg.net> On 2/20/2013 3:53 PM, john hasty wrote: > What is the group's advice on the best place to find a good TR4 exhaust > header. We seem to have "exploded" ours at the Road Atlanta race last > weekend..... > > John, TSI sells a good one. Furthermore, I used the thick gasket Tony Drews has and am delighted with the results. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 22 06:52:45 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:52:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Overdrive Query Message-ID: Hi, I was going through some notes yesterday and I found a reference from a friend suggesting that a "P-type" overdrive may be a good upgrade to look into. This suggestion was based on several points, not the least of which was that you can get new, modern replacement parts and that they are built to handle rediculous power (like 600 HP). Don't quote me on the power number, but the point is that they are overbuilt compared to A-types and J-types. They're also designed to withstand stupid-big line pressure, like 780 PSI, so they're capable of instant shifts. So, that made me poke around a bit and see what I could find and in the small amount of searching that I did, I came across Gear Vendors - they do upgrades for all sorts of applications and it looks like they either use teh P-type or they build a knock-off of it. I plan to do some more research on the matter, but I wanted to throw this out to the FOT to see if anyone has any direct experience with Gear Vendors and / or with the P-type mounted to a Triumph gearbox. And, no, I haven't chatted with John Esposito. Yet. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mdporter at dfn.com Fri Feb 22 07:30:38 2013 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:30:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5127810E.4030902@dfn.com> On 2/22/2013 6:52 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I plan to do some more research on the matter, but I wanted to throw > this out to the FOT to see if anyone has any direct experience with > Gear Vendors and / or with the P-type mounted to a Triumph gearbox. > Here's a little something from the UK on a P-type conversion (GT6): http://club.triumph.org.uk/cgi-bin/forum10/Blah.pl?m-1326400553/ Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Feb 22 16:14:47 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:14:47 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re Overdrive Query Message-ID: there are 2 versions of P type I have found one as per link was just a minor update of the J.... changes to valve design, stiffer centre case same as Triumph Dollomite Sprint. commonly used in volvos and as made up till recently and sold by "Gear Vendors" in USA the version I have found in 740 turbo has a much bigger roller cell clutch and bigger pins on the planet gears. these wont fit onto Triumph mainshafts . externally they look almost the same Terry O'Beirne Australia From markvaden at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 08:33:00 2013 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:33:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Finally raced! Message-ID: Hi Everyone, After 2 long years I finally got the tr4a back on the track. Here is the bring a trailer ad with some pictures from when I purchased the car. http://bringatrailer.com/2010/08/16/mothballed-racer-triumph-tr4/. Here is a video from last weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuv4aFcm7w Thanks to all the FOTers who answered various questions along the way. I had some carb issues which I worked out, and a bubble in the radiator. Ultimately the differential failed, embarassingly caused by a missing cotter pin. Somehow at least 4 of us missed it. But still great to run again after years off. -Mark From tr4 at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 24 08:43:09 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:43:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: <6F.87.02677.D053A215@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott tr4 at wi.rr.com 262-997-0701 From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Feb 24 09:09:00 2013 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Finally raced! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats Mark! Go get em! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > After 2 long years I finally got the tr4a back on the track. Here is the > bring a trailer ad with some pictures from when I purchased the car. > http://bringatrailer.com/2010/08/16/mothballed-racer-triumph-tr4/. Here is > a video from last weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuv4aFcm7w > > Thanks to all the FOTers who answered various questions along the way. I > had some carb issues which I worked out, and a bubble in the radiator. > Ultimately the differential failed, embarassingly caused by a missing > cotter pin. Somehow at least 4 of us missed it. But still great to run > again after years off. > > -Mark > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Feb 24 12:47:46 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:47:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] Links: ------ [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 24 16:52:24 2013 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:52:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <7D.EB.13457.8B7AA215@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Charley, Other than doing a good "blue printing" to the specs in the books the TR6 pump seems to be a very reliable unit. There have been a number of Tractor motor pump failures of different types that revolve around the inner rotor. The new pump design that I produce solves these issues and makes for a very reliable part. That is all I know and welcome any other input. I would like to make the TR6 pump with a pressure oiling system like the modified Tractor pump but the TR6 pump end cap does not have enough depth remaining for a stub shaft. This would require a new end cap casting which would be overly costly at this time. Steve Yott _____ From: Charly [mailto:charly at mitchelplumbing.com] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:48 PM To: 'fot'; Steve Yott Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott tr4 at wi.rr.com 262-997-0701 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Feb 25 09:34:53 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:34:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> I found this. http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/OilPump.htm In addition I also clean up the casting flaws. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: charly at mitchelplumbing.com Cc: fot ; Steve Yott Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps Charly, There is this 150 pund pump from our English friend at TR Special Tuning: http://www.triumphspecialtuning.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44 &product_id=189 Kinda a steep price. Chuck On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Charly wrote: BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: TR3 & 4 drivers! I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] Links: ------ [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-ra cing .com [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.n et%2 Fdonate.html [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.n et%2 Farchive [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.n et%2 Fforums [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team .net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6105 - Release Date: 02/15/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 13:05:59 2013 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com>, , <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> Message-ID: Speaking of oil pumps. Anybody have a 1500 Spitfire oil pump in their parts pile they want to sell? Mine attempted to process some non-fluid components after the big bang at the Mitty last year. Springs coming, better put something together I guess :) Thanks, Marty From triosan at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 09:23:42 2013 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:23:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> Message-ID: Charly, There is this 150 pund pump from our English friend at TR Special Tuning: http://www.triumphspecialtuning.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44&product_id=189 Kinda a steep price. Chuck On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Charly wrote: > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } > Does anyone know of the modification's for a TR6 oil pump? > > Charly Mitchel > > TR6 #44 > On Sun 24/02/13 7:43 AM , "Steve Yott" tr4 at wi.rr.com sent: > TR3 & 4 drivers! > I have three modified oil pumps available from the most recent batch. > If > interested please contact me off list. > Thanks much > Steve Yott > 262-997-0701 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.fot-racing.com [3] > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] > > > Links: > ------ > [3] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing > .com > [4] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fdonate.html > [5] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Farchive > [6] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 > Fforums > [7] > > http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net > %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Feb 24 17:25:55 2013 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:25:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: <21803.1361751955@mitchelplumbing.com> Thanks for the reply, What I've done to mine is clean up the casting. There is some casting flaws left on all the pumps I've ever purchased, and I just go in and enlarge the passage a little to help make the oil flow a little more. I've been think about cutting down the end float on the pump rotor a little, but haven't tried it yet. Just wondering if someone else was working on these as well. Charly Mitchel TR6#44 From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 25 13:53:43 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:53:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Message-ID: Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger From riverside at southslope.net Mon Feb 25 14:30:10 2013 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:30:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Feb 25 14:38:08 2013 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:38:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at VIR Message-ID: The Triumph Ghetto is pleased to announce that they will award the Annual Martha McDougal Trophy, as part of the 2013 VDCA Wild Hare Run, at Virginia International Raceway. The dates for this year's event are April 12th through the 14th. Mark your calendar now and join your fellow Triumph racers at this fantastic event. The Wild Hare features generous amounts of track time, including a free enduro, on one of the most challenging and historic tracks in the country. Topping off the weekend will be the presentation of the coveted "Martha" trophy to the Triumph racer that displays a high level of performance on track, active support of the Triumph marque, camaraderie in the paddock and general good-guy/gal-ness. In addition to the standard fun on and off the track, the Ghetto will once again provide their world-famous cookout on Friday evening for all Triumph folks and friends. Mark your calendars and watch for posting of the entry form, and on-line entry details, at the link below. We look forward to seeing you there. http://www.vintagedrive.com/Schedule.htm Dean Tetterton, Don Marshall and Leo Oddi From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Feb 25 16:13:07 2013 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:13:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps In-Reply-To: <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> References: <20412.1361735266@mitchelplumbing.com> <70355E83F9FA4D05BE2CD38E2FFA7D00@Charly> Message-ID: <25873841973B4307A7029A673F20E405@UserTHINK> I've found a big improvement in OP on the Tractor engines doing the same thing as Bob Danielson says he did to the TR6 pump. A lot is wasted by those score marks. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:34 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps I found this. http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/OilPump.htm In addition I also clean up the casting flaws. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: charly at mitchelplumbing.com Cc: fot ; Steve Yott Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pumps Charly, There is this 150 pund pump from our English friend at TR Special Tuning: http://www.triumphspecialtuning.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44 &product_id=189 Kinda a steep price. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Feb 25 18:46:29 2013 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:46:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Racing Slicks Message-ID: Hi, This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? My earlier questions were based on this tire (un)availability. I have to get ready to buy my tires for 2013 and I have no idea what to do at this stage except break down and switch to 10 inch rims. I know this is currently illegal in Prod, but if there's no tires available - then what? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From malaboge at aol.com Mon Feb 25 21:54:47 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:54:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> Message-ID: <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Back in the day, my tow car was a '65 Shelby GT350...enuf power to tow and just another old car at the time...oh that 20/20 hindsight...where was it when I needed it. Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From malaboge at aol.com Mon Feb 25 22:02:35 2013 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:02:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFE1F5A023FD5D-BAC-7B963@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> oh and it was a TR3 as well... -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... Back in the day, my tow car was a '65 Shelby GT350...enuf power to tow and just another old car at the time...oh that 20/20 hindsight...where was it when I needed it. Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Feb 25 22:33:07 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:33:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <8CFE1F5A023FD5D-BAC-7B963@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> <8CFE1F488C00FFF-BAC-7B909@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> <8CFE1F5A023FD5D-BAC-7B963@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFE1F9E3F8C197-1444-6C30F@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Richard Taylor tows a trailer with his TR4A #196. The trailer has a motorcyle and a set of racing tires. Unfortunately, he is unable to make the 'tow' this year to to the KCUP. We will miss him. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: malaboge ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 11:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... oh and it was a TR3 as well... -----Original Message----- From: malaboge To: fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... Back in the day, my tow car was a '65 Shelby GT350...enuf power to tow and just another old car at the time...oh that 20/20 hindsight...where was it when I needed it. Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: BillDentin ; fot Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From wgaplin at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 25 15:38:12 2013 From: wgaplin at bellsouth.net (Warren Aplin) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:38:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... In-Reply-To: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> References: <5D86E5937C12481F860C20909443E3FB@rileyPC> Message-ID: <004001ce13a8$cbd6f9a0$6384ece0$@bellsouth.net> 1972, we are OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had a 1971 Triumph Spitfire, BRG over tan. I kept a race log in the glove box in the back of the owner's manual. That's what I thought those note spots were for, why didn't someone tell me!!!. They voided my warranty!!!!, Young and dumb!!! Still having fun!!!!!!!! Warren Aplin Jupiter, FL 561-748-8187 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:30 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Some more California Air... The cool tow vehicle comments reminded me of my first regional at Road America (1972?). There were two other TR3's there and one had been flat towed behind a 289 Cobra. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:53 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Some more California Air... Amici... My TRIUMPH WORLD magazine arrived in the mail over the week end and includes the second installment of the two part Kas Kastner interview, and in particular lots of stuff about the 250K car. It's great. Two other 'how to' articles involve how to rehang doors after a frame off restoration to get them to fit as good (or better) than TRIUMPH did (includes 25+ how to pictures), and also an article about adding power brakes to a Spitfire or GT6. But my favorite was an article about a guy who built a TRIUMPH Standard sedan into a race car. To me that's sort of like making a Checker taxi cab into a race car, but the author says it's seen 125 mph on the track. Perhaps more impressive was his TRIUMPH Standard car hauler. That was very slick, impressive, and brought back memories to me of the 18 years or so I towed to race events in eight states with a 'vintage' tow vehicle (1950 Chevrolet One Ton Panel truck). Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6121 - Release Date: 02/21/13 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgaplin at bellsouth.net From harmug at us.ibm.com Tue Feb 26 13:59:30 2013 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:59:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 75, Issue 30- slicks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "This pertains to current SCCA Production racers... I know this is sort of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse, but I have it on good authority that most of the supply of "centilever" slicks is going away or gone or priced fairly high... Can anyone either comment on what sort of tire strategy they're taking and / or if they can cite any SCCA documentation regarding SCCA's stand on this situation? " Rob, I run Hoosier slicks and went to their website today. They still list bias ply 13" slicks but they have the "new (introduced Nov 2010" radial types on the discount rack, $100 each plus $15 an order for shipping. The original price was ~$225 each. I never ran the radials, always the bias ply so I don't know how well they work. Based on the short sale, I'd say not very well. I spoke to an engineer there when they came out and he gave me recommended set up changes / pressures if I did switch but I never pulled the trigger for the radials. I'm up in the air about what series to run this year, no Prod events last year only vintage but I might pick up a set and wrap them in plastic for future use. mike h G. Michael Harmuth From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Feb 27 10:40:24 2013 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:40:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Special strictly for the Tirumph History buffs... Message-ID: <7a7f.68ea2d.3e5f9f07@aol.com> Amici... I probably should have also mentioned the monthly one page Parting Shot article in my recent email about the April/May issue of Triumph World. It deals with the early history of the Triumph name our cars carry. While there is little historical documentation to suggest any formal engineering trail from bicycles to motorcycles to sports cars, there definitely was a formal path the Triumph name itself followed to get on our cars. But it is not crystal clear. It provides another item we can argue about. You know, like is your car really a TR3B. What we do know is that in about 1884 a German named Siegfried Bettmann came to England as a language translator. Based in Coventry, to make ends meet he began selling high end bicycles under the name Triumph. As a translator, the name had been chosen because it had numerous meanings in several languages. Early on he was not really building anything new, but rather buying bicycles manufactured by others, and using after market products to make them fancy. The Triumph Cycle Company, Ltd., was cashing in on the Victorian bicycle boom. Eventually with some funding from Dunlop, they did manufacture their own bikes, all of which were fancy, catering to the wealthy, and offering up grade options like 'soft tyres'. Then, at the turn of the twentieth century, motorized bicycles were developed and the Triumph company was quickly involved in building them, and also quite successful in competition events. Before and after WWII is were the history of the Triumph name gets foggy. There is more than one story told. We seem to know what happened, as well as why it happened, but not exactly how. There is evidence that Raleigh bought out the bicycle arm of the company before the war. At least a part of the motorcycle arm went to Jack Sangster in Ariel during that same period, but there is also evidence that Bettmann had a deal going with Coventry Cycles. The fact that all of these factories were then bombed out during WWII (along with most of their records) is where the confusion comes up. And thus it is not clear as to exactly what, why, and how the name Triumph evolved on British bicycles, motorcycles and then sports cars. But for sure, there are bicycles and motorcycles in our history, 40 and 16 years respectively, before there were any Triumph sports cars. Bill Dentinger From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Feb 27 11:59:28 2013 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:59:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Special strictly for the Tirumph History buffs...now the KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <7a7f.68ea2d.3e5f9f07@aol.com> References: <7a7f.68ea2d.3e5f9f07@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFE333B3AD95AE-16CC-99D4F@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> I am not sure if I mentioned this before, but I have extended an invitation to Simon, the editor of TRIUMPH WORLD, to join us at the Kastner Cup. He is looking very closely at coming, in spite of a busy publishing schedule. I am beginning to see an incredible assemblage of very interesting people in attendance. (In addition to the FOT) There are some details in planning that necessarily will come from VSCDA, that is forthcoming. Most of that will be settled in March, and then there will be a deluge of new information. There are a lot of folks working on this and it is coming together. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 12:01 pm Subject: [Fot] Special strictly for the Tirumph History buffs... Amici... I probably should have also mentioned the monthly one page Parting Shot article in my recent email about the April/May issue of Triumph World. It deals with the early history of the Triumph name our cars carry. While there is little historical documentation to suggest any formal engineering trail from bicycles to motorcycles to sports cars, there definitely was a formal path the Triumph name itself followed to get on our cars. But it is not crystal clear. It provides another item we can argue about. You know, like is your car really a TR3B. What we do know is that in about 1884 a German named Siegfried Bettmann came to England as a language translator. Based in Coventry, to make ends meet he began selling high end bicycles under the name Triumph. As a translator, the name had been chosen because it had numerous meanings in several languages. Early on he was not really building anything new, but rather buying bicycles manufactured by others, and using after market products to make them fancy. The Triumph Cycle Company, Ltd., was cashing in on the Victorian bicycle boom. Eventually with some funding from Dunlop, they did manufacture their own bikes, all of which were fancy, catering to the wealthy, and offering up grade options like 'soft tyres'. Then, at the turn of the twentieth century, motorized bicycles were developed and the Triumph company was quickly involved in building them, and also quite successful in competition events. Before and after WWII is were the history of the Triumph name gets foggy. There is more than one story told. We seem to know what happened, as well as why it happened, but not exactly how. There is evidence that Raleigh bought out the bicycle arm of the company before the war. At least a part of the motorcycle arm went to Jack Sangster in Ariel during that same period, but there is also evidence that Bettmann had a deal going with Coventry Cycles. The fact that all of these factories were then bombed out during WWII (along with most of their records) is where the confusion comes up. And thus it is not clear as to exactly what, why, and how the name Triumph evolved on British bicycles, motorcycles and then sports cars. But for sure, there are bicycles and motorcycles in our history, 40 and 16 years respectively, before there were any Triumph sports cars. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From Catpusher at aol.com Tue Feb 26 20:32:34 2013 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:32:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Some more California Air... Message-ID: <8d13d.b707233.3e5ed852@aol.com> The E Type was the only other car that I owned, and the laden for travel, the TR3 was heavier; so it was very exciting at times also! I did help Nick in Nor Cal load his TR3 on his Trailer a time or two; the Shelby locker was not subtle in SF's hills! Hardy In a message dated 2/26/2013 10:56:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all the same. Great articles Bill Dentinger From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Feb 27 14:40:55 2013 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:40:55 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Oil Pumps Message-ID: on the 6 cyl engines we have made some 1.5 length pumps. Any decent machinist can do this by cutting up a 2nd pump and adding it to the original. of course, you have to shorten/modify the pick-up, which is a good idea anyhow. They have no better pressure, but the extra volume sure helps with oil surge we seem to constantly get when racing. I can probably dig out some pics if anyone is keen Terry O'Beirne Australia From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Feb 27 15:11:40 2013 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (K LYNCH) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:11:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clive Averill Message-ID: Our GT-6 mentor Clive was taken early this morning to his local hospital in a bad way, then air-lifted to another nearby. Would simply ask as a group, that you keep him & his family in your thoughts/prayers these coming days. He's in a rough way and could use some spiritual support.. Thank you ~ Kev Lynch #6 GT6 RMVR From sm1ski at dslextreme.com Wed Feb 27 15:27:10 2013 From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael kowalski) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:27:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Some more California Air... References: <8d13d.b707233.3e5ed852@aol.com> Message-ID: <0752257461E045F8BA90EC474CA9CB95@sarako> Many years ago, while towing back from an AutoX at Ft. Huachuca, AZ, somewhere near the NM/AZ border, along I-10, what I should I see but an E-type with six tiny cylinders, towing something in arears headed west. Could it have been the same rig as mentioned below? mike kowalski, FP spit, sorta ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:32 PM Subject: [Fot] Subject: Some more California Air... > The E Type was the only other car that I owned, and the laden for travel, > the TR3 was > heavier; so it was very exciting at times also! I did help Nick in Nor > Cal load his TR3 on his Trailer a time or two; the Shelby locker was not > subtle in SF's hills! > > Hardy > > > In a message dated 2/26/2013 10:56:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > > Doesn't hold a candle to Hardy towing a race car across > the country with an XKE, but it was impressive (and often exciting) all > the > same. > > Great articles > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sm1ski at dslextreme.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Feb 28 14:36:17 2013 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:36:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: VR1 References: <1362084341.24476.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F7E7DF4-D549-4E42-B854-8126AFACB294@austin.rr.com> VR1 on sale , whoopee! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Robert Blake > Date: February 28, 2013, 1:45:41 PM MST > To: Bob Kramar , 'William Collins' , Duncan Charlton , "jhovey1 at sbcglobal.net" > Subject: VR1 > Reply-To: Robert Blake > > O'Reilly's has VR1 20-50 on sale for 3.99/qt starting today through Mar 31st. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Thu Feb 28 17:31:29 2013 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire project for sale Message-ID: <6B607942-FC38-48AA-A237-AFD19912553D@aol.com> Amici, I hate to say this and do this. I have to sell my project spitfire. Currently it is in pieces. Here is most of what I have. 72, 74 titles Body in good shape, no rust except one small hole in front of driver wheel arch Frame has some surface rust. 2 bonnets. Both have minor repairable rust. One has dents and other doesn't. 4 1500 engines. 3 from a triumph, 1 from a MG 3 transmissions. 1 single, 1 triple rail, 1 OD 2 Sets of doors in great shape, no rust, just one dent in one door. Have full window glass for three sets of doors. Gear reduction starter 4-2-1 exhaust, needs flange Multiple sets of stock carbs Lots of stock parts Hard top in great shape, all glass and trim. No windshield Stock suspension Have poly suspension rebuild kit 3 stock 3.89 diffs There are lots of other parts that I have forgotten about that are included. Currently the major amount of parts are in Delaware but the engines, transmissions, and some other stuff are in New Jersey. Any good reasonable offer will be accepted. Contact me off list if your interested