From tedtsimx at bright.net  Mon Apr  1 05:57:55 2013
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 07:57:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations
Message-ID: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>

With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our 
website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture 
on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of 
tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure 
Oil.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 
39A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Apr  1 07:46:42 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations
Message-ID: <3588.4209781a.3e8ae9c1@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/01/2013 5:59:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
tedtsimx at bright.net writes:


> With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our 
> website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture 
> on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of 
> tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure 
> Oil.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 
> 39A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted
> 

Ted...

Boy!  That's a surprise.  I thought you were even older.

Bill (Damdinger)

From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Apr  1 09:58:10 2013
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:58:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Service stations
In-Reply-To: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
Message-ID: <8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>

And speakin of gas prices, back in the 70's when I worked for a couple service
stations regular was in the high $.20 range. Then the oil crises hit and
prices jumped to $.50 to $.55 per gallon over night and we limited sales to 5
gallons per vehicle.  And customers were outraged by the cost of fuel, and
this was also at a time that some drivers were just startin to think about
fuel economy.

Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the towns
next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ???  Can't figure that one out.


Again my 2 cents,
Bob T


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: FOT <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:59 am
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations


With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our
ebsite - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture
n home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of
ghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure
il.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim
9A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted
--
ed Schumacher
edtsimx at bright.net
ttp://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
08 S. Jefferson St.
andora, Ohio, USA 45877
ax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
hone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
ech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Apr  1 10:14:09 2013
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:14:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Service stations
In-Reply-To: <8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
	<8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002301ce2ef3$f1b86fd0$d5294f70$@net>

Around 1970 I worked nights at a Chevron Station...Guys in a big car would
drive in..open the trunk, and say "Hey..Wanna buy a nice suit?(:-)
RB

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:58 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Service stations

And speakin of gas prices, back in the 70's when I worked for a couple
service stations regular was in the high $.20 range. Then the oil crises hit
and prices jumped to $.50 to $.55 per gallon over night and we limited sales
to 5 gallons per vehicle.  And customers were outraged by the cost of fuel,
and this was also at a time that some drivers were just startin to think
about fuel economy.

Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the
towns next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ???  Can't figure that one
out.


Again my 2 cents,
Bob T


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: FOT <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:59 am
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations


With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our ebsite -
www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture n home page
that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of ghe lucky ones.
This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure il.  I have pumped
gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 9A Tallboy pump is
showing.  Enjoy. Ted
--
ed Schumacher
edtsimx at bright.net
ttp://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
08 S. Jefferson St.
andora, Ohio, USA 45877
ax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
hone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
ech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Apr  1 10:17:54 2013
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:17:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Apr  1 10:20:01 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:20:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Service stations
In-Reply-To: <8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
	<8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
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On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the towns
> next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ???  Can't figure that one out.

This one's EZ - DON'T BUY GAS THERE.

;-)

> Again my 2 cents,
> Bob T


... adjusted for inflation, $.20.

Nyuk, nyuk.

rml
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Apr  1 10:28:35 2013
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:28:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations
In-Reply-To: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds95E97AA65F7369FBF932BC3DE0@phx.gbl>

Very cool Ted.

Terry Stetler.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ted Schumacher<mailto:tedtsimx at bright.net>
  To: FOT<mailto:FOT at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:57 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations


  With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our
  website -
www.tsimportedautomotive.com<http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/>. Click the
link under the picture
  on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of
  tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure
  Oil.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim
  39A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted

  --
  Ted Schumacher
  tedtsimx at bright.net<mailto:tedtsimx at bright.net>
  http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com<http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/>
  108 S. Jefferson St.
  Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
  Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
  Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
  Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Apr  1 10:30:12 2013
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 16:30:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8A66CE@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>

50 years from now there will be a Vintage Prius Racing list on whatever
version of the internet exists at that point.  Some crusty old crock will be
telling tales about the old days, when batteries went bad and how they first
learned to refurbish those batteries in their driveway, using stuff they dug
out of dumpsters and how, later, they figured out how to boost the discharge
and recharge rates of those stock batteries without them blowing up all the
time.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of RACER BUD
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:18 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Mon Apr  1 01:45:55 2013
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 00:45:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating
Message-ID: <c51ccd8395a54e589822c4396a7dcdb4.gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com>

.020" copper wire is really to thick. It does not
compress enough, holds the head up to high, so there
is a tendency for water to leak out the sides of the
head and up the studs. We have found that dead soft
copper wire between .012" and .015" is the ideal
thickness to use. We glue it in place with contact
cement or "gask-g-cinch" which will work like a
contact cement. We still run thin beads of Silicone
gasket maker around the two long head studs on the
manifold side of the head to keep water from getting
around the studs and causing them to rust & pit. 85
lbs ft. of torque is enough, with "permatex
anti-sieze" on the threads and under the nut.  It is
important to use good hard head nut washers, like
those from ARP. Retorque the head when hot after
starting and warming up the engine, also to 85 lbs.
ft. of torque. We use .003" to .006" liner projection
with no more than .002" difference in hight between
any tow adjacent liners.


Greg Solow
The Engine Room
Morgan & Triumph Specialists
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
831 429-1800



------- Original Message -------
>From    : Kas Kastner[mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com]
Sent    : 3/31/2013 6:36:40 PM
To      : j.wags63 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Cc      :
Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating

 Pay attention here. The sticky part matters not
much, but the copper wire
literely seals the deal.  Ho Ho Ho.

*Never be beaten by equipment.*


On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:09 PM, John Wagner
<j.wags63 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>      If you are using a shim gasket, may I
recommend  GM Goodwrench gasket
> sealing compound.
> We super glue .020 or less soft copper wire in the
outer
> rings and with a small sponge paint
> roller apply the gsc. It looks like, an
> has the consistency of Carmel topping. Its Been holding
> High comp. chevys
> together since the 60's.  Good Stuff and not that
expensive.
>
>
>      John
> Wagner
>      Just the wrench
> From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To:
> Cc:
> fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot]
> Head Gasket Coating
>
> FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just
> not from Permatex or
> Valco:
>  http://goo.gl/jE4dw
>  http://goo.gl/mvKDc
>
> --
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Apr  1 12:07:15 2013
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 18:07:15 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
Message-ID: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>

---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote: 
> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
> car?

They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a relatively small battery, it's just a data point).

When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.

At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain more acceptance.

Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.  There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.  They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.

Randall

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Apr  1 12:10:26 2013
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:10:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
	<20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <003501ce2f04$3028d4c0$907a7e40$@net>

Thanks Randall..Quite enlightening.
RB

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; budscars at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars


---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
> the car?

They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).

When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.

At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.

Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.

Randall

From ponobill at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 15:41:46 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:41:46 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com>

Like any other emerging infrastructure, it's not as "good" as the technology
it replaces. Of course if we were starting off fresh with no transportation
technology a piston-driven internal combustion engine would the the very last
possibility considered. Horrible design choice, but after a hundred years of
development it's pretty tough to compete with either the design or the
infrastructure that supports it. It's SO entrenched that hybrid cars use it as
a generator driver when a turbine-derived design would be so much more
efficient, and a small fuel cell would be even better.

Electric and other technologies will replace gasoline as a fuel, and it's
conceivable that a piston-driven engine will be replaced. Such a hideous and
intrinsically limited design.

My next car for Maui will definitely be electric-based. I can and will run it
for "free". I generate about 200KWH per week with photovoltaic panels, and
I'll double that next year. Given Maui's electric rates and the cost of
gasoline they pay for themselves in five years. I don't have any other
investments that come anywhere close to the ROI. I can do math, so until the
engine in my jeep drops out onto the road I'll probably still be using that,
but given expected battery life an electric vehicle pencils out very nicely
here.

I've also built an electric bicycle here that I use for shuttling myself when
I do downwind runs (drop the bike off, drive to the start, do the run, drive
the bike back to pick up the jeep. Yes I could pedal, but after paddling a
stand up surfboard ten miles a little boost is nice. My bicycle runs on the
same 4S 5000MAH lithium polymer batteries that I use for my quadcopter drone.
I just slot four of them into a case I made and it's good for about thrity
miles with hills.

I also made an electric tricycle that everyone in the Northwest is really
tired of seeing in the pits. It does 50 MPH on the flats and I've done a
century ride with it--over Mount Hood. A "short" ride with it is 50 miles.
Great little grocery getter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC_o66ABn6M


On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>> car?
>
> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>
> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>
> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.
>
> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>
> Randall
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Apr  2 08:41:04 2013
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:41:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Underdrive Pulley for Lucas Alternator
Message-ID: <8CFFDC73C8E35DE-9E0-50280@webmail-d235.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

I seem to remember some one here asking about an underdrive pulley for their
Lucas Alternator.  Well while I searched for my hoard of parts for a project
on my Spit GT, I came across just such an item.  This is a part I had made up
for when I used a Lucas Alternator on my car, it's roughly 5 inches in
diameter.  I could send a photo to your email if interested.

Cheers,
Bob T
'63 Spitfire  street
'64 Spit GT   autocrosser

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr  2 09:02:01 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:02:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] CAM CORE NEEDED FOR REGRIND   TR3/4
Message-ID: <8CFFDCA29B9E7BB-1814-4E7C4@webmail-d230.sysops.aol.com>

THANKS to all that helped on a cam selection for a specific
application....especially Larry Young.

Now a solid cam core is needed for regrind. Can anyone help?  I am helping a
guy with this.

Strange deal. TR3 is being built for some kind of high speed rallying in the
US. If I find out any more about it I will share. Engine builder says owner is
competing against V-8s and such.  Owner also rallies in Europe part of the
year with cars stationed over there.  interesting.

Thanks, once again!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Apr  2 09:15:20 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:15:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
Message-ID: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>

Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
Will race gas be available? 
	I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
mystery.. 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Apr  2 09:51:00 2013
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:51:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas
Message-ID: <2097144514.431672.1364917860414.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The following has been around for a long time but funny none the less.

Gary



> ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS

> Positive ground depends on proper
> circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by
> retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as bsmokeb.
> Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this
> to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an
> electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly
> through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar
> across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are
> liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if
> one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a
> Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component
> no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The
> function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one
> device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the
> smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were
> considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely
> because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very
> unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical
> components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their
> Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this
> is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British
> engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk
> brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British
> Intelligence leaks national defense secrets.
>
> Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak
> smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable.
>
> In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy
> in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries
> of electrical components especially British units manufactured by
> Joseph Lucas, Ltd.
>
> And remember: bA gentleman does not motor about after dark.b
>
> Joseph Lucas bThe Prince of Darknessb 1842-1903
>
> A few Lucas quips:
>
> The Lucas motto: bGet home before dark.b
>
> Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit.
>
> Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper.
>
> Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.
>
> The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other
> three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.
>
> The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics.
>
> If Lucas made guns, wars would not start
>
> Back in the b70s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and
> began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they
> offered which did not suck.
>
> Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their
> refrigerators.

From mmoore at wave1.net  Tue Apr  2 09:48:15 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:48:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
In-Reply-To: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <00c601ce2fb9$7da6c620$78f45260$@net>

https://pvgpa.ejoinme.org/MyPages/RacerRegistration/tabid/267555/Default.asp
x


Thanks
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
2007 West 32nd Street
Erie, PA 16508

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
Fax:        814-864-7383


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
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Subject: [Fot] PVGP

Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
Will race gas be available? 
	I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
mystery.. 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Apr  2 10:03:31 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:03:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <FC28DF4804384226AF2947F036A37197@hpd530>

John, check the VRG website; they have on-line registration. Vintage Racer 
Group, good bunch.
Look under events.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: [Fot] PVGP


> Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
> trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
> on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
> Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
> located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
> organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
> Will race gas be available?
> I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
> layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
> Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
> mystery..
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Apr  2 10:31:08 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:31:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <298919B8AC5445A68D1E2A53A69D02BD@hpd530>

John, go to VRG home, click on events, go down to the PVGP races at PIRC, 
then to Entry Form.
Then go back to Detailed Event Info, it will bring up a PVGP site. Hit 
"Drivers" and it will bring up all kinds of info.
Pit/paddock are on Hobart St and Prospect Dr. Very rustic, old days style. 
Park like setting.
There's a motorcycle club that watches over everything overnight, so no 
worries about security.
You have to keep in mind the race is in urban Pittsburgh, near Pitt, and 
getting around towing a trailer can be a bit trying, but not impossible.
The traffic grid: I'll relay what a H-P rep from the "Burgh" told me years 
ago; they got a river on one side and a mountain on the other, they do the 
best they can!
Good luck. Keith and Ralph, VRG guys, are very helpful.
Bill
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To: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: [Fot] PVGP


> Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
> trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
> on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
> Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
> located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
> organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
> Will race gas be available?
> I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
> layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
> Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
> mystery..
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 10:36:08 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 06:36:08 -1000
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
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I did the race in Payote during the All Aluminum Tour. I doubt much has
changed, but my memory sucks. There's not much need for crew credentials, the
whole event is free to the public. There was a nice reception at the arboretum
that you'll want tickets for though. As I recall it was driver and one guest
for most of the race-related events.

The paddock is along a road in Schenly Park. The name escapes me, but it's an
infamous gay cruising area. Space is limited, get there early. I set Nero up
in a great spot. Tech is in the paddock, they do a fine job with all the
organizational stuff. One vehicle pass, there was no race gas available--I
brought my own. There was a race the weekend prior at BeaverRun, a very fun
little track. Good event, I topped off my gas jugs there and had plenty for
the PVGP. You don't get that much track time, so you won't use too much. Great
event, and lots of fun stuff going on the week before in the area close to the
park. We had a wondferful time.

Take it easy during the race, the track is pretty dangerous. I didn't take
that advice (given by Burt Levy) and didn't have a problem, but everything you
could hit is pretty hard, even if it has a hay bale in front of it.

On Apr 2, 2013, at 5:15 AM, john hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
> trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
> on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
> Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
> located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
> organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
> Will race gas be available?
> 	I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
> layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
> Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
> mystery..
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
> Tele: (704) 372-5600
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Apr  2 11:07:53 2013
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:07:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com>
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The problem with electric cars is that they run on whatever produces the 
electricity, usually natural gas or coal, both produce green house 
gases. The way you're doing it, Bill, makes more sense.  To have a 5 
year payout, Hawaii must have exceptional incentives for installing 
solar panels.  Payout periods are usually 10 to 15 years. The problem 
with incentives is that they usually change and rarely for the better.
Larry

On 4/1/2013 4:41 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:
> Like any other emerging infrastructure, it's not as "good" as the technology
> it replaces. Of course if we were starting off fresh with no transportation
> technology a piston-driven internal combustion engine would the the very last
> possibility considered. Horrible design choice, but after a hundred years of
> development it's pretty tough to compete with either the design or the
> infrastructure that supports it. It's SO entrenched that hybrid cars use it as
> a generator driver when a turbine-derived design would be so much more
> efficient, and a small fuel cell would be even better.
>
> Electric and other technologies will replace gasoline as a fuel, and it's
> conceivable that a piston-driven engine will be replaced. Such a hideous and
> intrinsically limited design.
>
> My next car for Maui will definitely be electric-based. I can and will run it
> for "free". I generate about 200KWH per week with photovoltaic panels, and
> I'll double that next year. Given Maui's electric rates and the cost of
> gasoline they pay for themselves in five years. I don't have any other
> investments that come anywhere close to the ROI. I can do math, so until the
> engine in my jeep drops out onto the road I'll probably still be using that,
> but given expected battery life an electric vehicle pencils out very nicely
> here.
>
> I've also built an electric bicycle here that I use for shuttling myself when
> I do downwind runs (drop the bike off, drive to the start, do the run, drive
> the bike back to pick up the jeep. Yes I could pedal, but after paddling a
> stand up surfboard ten miles a little boost is nice. My bicycle runs on the
> same 4S 5000MAH lithium polymer batteries that I use for my quadcopter drone.
> I just slot four of them into a case I made and it's good for about thrity
> miles with hills.
>
> I also made an electric tricycle that everyone in the Northwest is really
> tired of seeing in the pits. It does 50 MPH on the flats and I've done a
> century ride with it--over Mount Hood. A "short" ride with it is 50 miles.
> Great little grocery getter.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC_o66ABn6M
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>>> car?
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
> more acceptance.
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>> Randall
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From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  1 14:00:04 2013
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:00:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>

You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles and
oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
power....maybe not in my lifetime but.

I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me.
Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>> car?
>
> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>
> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>
> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.
>
> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>
> Randall
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From PegAndBobM at aol.com  Tue Apr  2 11:57:43 2013
From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:57:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
Message-ID: <b8b3.1bf946f8.3e8c7617@aol.com>

Advertisement from Denver Craigslist for 1953 prototype.  FYI only, no  
association, nor knowledge of claims made.
 
Link: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3717049749.html

From igofaster at att.net  Tue Apr  2 12:05:18 2013
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
Message-ID: <1364925918.55583.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

not having an electric or hybrid type car I have an opinion... they are not as 
'green' as they could be touted in the long run. The lithium batteries are not 
forever batteries and at some date and time they will have to be disposed of. 
I'm not sure of the re-cycling phase of that process... and lithium is not a 
natural product found easily around the world...
I had a neighbor, Rick Perry (not the Texas governor) who was a 5 state 
representative for Audi America.. (we own our third Audi) and his thought about 
diesel was pretty interesting... I think most of us 'racer' types have seen what 
Audi has done in the past with Formula 1 and diesel powered F1 super 
cars....amazing success story I'm sure most will agree...but.. 100 mpg is not a 
stretch in the real world for a diesel powered vehicle in the near future... 
diesel is a product that can be made out of natural products, like cooking oil, 
in the bio-diesel realm of things...
Seem to reason IMHO that diesel or bio-diesel could be a long term solution to 
energy and 'green' standards for the future of consumer automobiles.... just a 
thought....   Bobby Whitehead
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, April 1, 2013 11:20:09 AM
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  2 12:18:41 2013
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:18:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas
In-Reply-To: <2097144514.431672.1364917860414.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <2097144514.431672.1364917860414.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Some years ago there was a genuine Lucas Smoke Replacement Kit on ebay. It included a bottle of genuine Lucas smoke and several needles for proper injection. Since once can never have too many tools at their disposal I put a casual bid on it but I think it wound up going for something like $100!

Gary Schneider





>________________________________
> From: "vintage.racer at comcast.net" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
>To: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net> 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:51 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas
> 
>The following has been around for a long time but funny none the less.
>
>Gary
>
>
>
>> ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS
>
>> Positive ground depends on proper
>> circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by
>> retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as bsmokeb.
>> Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this
>> to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an
>> electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly
>> through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar
>> across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are
>> liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if
>> one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a
>> Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component
>> no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The
>> function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one
>> device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the
>> smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were
>> considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely
>> because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very
>> unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical
>> components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their
>> Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this
>> is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British
>> engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk
>> brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British
>> Intelligence leaks national defense secrets.
>>
>> Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak
>> smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable.
>>
>> In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy
>> in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries
>> of electrical components especially British units manufactured by
>> Joseph Lucas, Ltd.
>>
>> And remember: bA gentleman does not motor about after dark.b
>>
>> Joseph Lucas bThe Prince of Darknessb 1842-1903
>>
>> A few Lucas quips:
>>
>> The Lucas motto: bGet home before dark.b
>>
>> Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit.
>>
>> Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper.
>>
>> Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.
>>
>> The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other
>> three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.
>>
>> The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics.
>>
>> If Lucas made guns, wars would not start
>>
>> Back in the b70s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and
>> began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they
>> offered which did not suck.
>>
>> Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their
>> refrigerators.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr  2 12:44:36 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MADMARX  VITON SEALS    -  ARRIVED TODAY.
Message-ID: <8CFFDE941F7BE7B-17F8-4EB6C@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

Chris Marx just sent me a large number of his TR3/4 REAR CRANK seal kits to
distribute in NORTH AMERICA.

I had several inquiries, but cant remember them all.

You might have to remind me.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From rikrock at live.com  Tue Apr  2 18:14:35 2013
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
Message-ID: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>

Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
________________________________
From: PegAndBobM at aol.com
Sent: 4/2/2013 2:28 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype

Advertisement from Denver Craigslist for 1953 prototype.  FYI only, no
association, nor knowledge of claims made.

Link: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3717049749.html
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 18:40:57 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:40:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>
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I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't contemporary
reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?

Duncan Charlton
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red


On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:

> Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr  2 19:09:43 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:09:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>
References: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>
	<BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind.

I don't think any prototypes survived.

Someone on the list will likely know.....

A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s.

That was interesting.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype


I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't contemporary
reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?

Duncan Charlton
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red


On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:

> Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  2 19:15:16 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:15:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP  too
Message-ID: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>

I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th weekend.
Anybody else going to be there?

From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Apr  2 19:50:54 2013
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:50:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
References: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>,
	<BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>,
	<8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY147-W7C270D33DD5E201E51F64C8D80@phx.gbl>

It must be a fake or a hoax.

It has always been understood that there was only one TR1 prototype. It  was
shown at the Earls Court show in London in the fall of 1953. By the time
Geneva came around the following March, Ken Richardson had had his say and the
car had been altered with the familiar trunk, a different chassis and other
alterations to the bodywork.

The photo in the ad was a period shot showing the front of the TR-1 but there
was nothing on the actual car being sold.
 April Fool, I guess. Mike Cook
> To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:09:43 -0400
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
>
> I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind.
>
> I don't think any prototypes survived.
>
> Someone on the list will likely know.....
>
> A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s.
>
> That was interesting.
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
>
>
> I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't
contemporary
> reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?
>
> Duncan Charlton
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:
>
> > Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Apr  2 20:00:05 2013
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 21:00:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <515B8D25.1060506@pobox.com>

Diesel is a technology overlooked in the US, because the solution has 
been dictated by the government.   Europe is about 50% diesel. I have a 
friend that averages 50 mpg in his Volkswagen Golf.  My big X5 BMW gets 
29 mpg at 70 mph.  With that massive torque and 6 speed transmission it 
easily pulls my 18 foot enclosed car trailer with about 14 mpg.  I 
previously had a Ford Expedition with a 5.4L gas engine.  It didn't tow 
as well, averaging about 9 mpg.  Diesels still produce green house 
gases, but to a lesser extent than gas engines.  Otherwise, with today.s 
technology it is very clean. Unfortunately, it has a bad reputation with 
people that remember all the noise and soot from city buses.

This discussion is starting to get political, so I'm dropping out from 
now on.
Larry

On 4/1/2013 3:00 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles and
> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me.
> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>>> car?
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
> more acceptance.
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>> Randall
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 23:59:38 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:59:38 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <515B1069.1050602@pobox.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com>
	<515B1069.1050602@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <B9BAD660-CFA9-4D4E-B725-06B572E86FBF@bnj.com>

It's not really the incentives that make it worthwhile, though they were just
fine, thank you, but there are plenty of people here with $1000 per month
electric bills. The main generators burn oil and there's a fuel surcharge that
floats on top of the approved electric rate. We have a growing number of wind
generators, but it's still less than 15% of the island's power.  So you spend
$40K on photovoltaics, drop your electric bill from $800 per month (in my
case) to $14 and the math is pretty simple. In today's 3% ROI economy I'd have
to invest $320,000 to yield $9600 per year,  so my $40K investment seems
pretty sound.

The "green" aspect of electric cars is shifting pretty quickly, though
honestly, I could care less about that kind of bullshit. The US is fast
becoming the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas (because of shale fracking), we're
already the Saudi Arabia of Coal and we're likely to become the Saudi Arabia
of Oil. Weirdly blessed with natural resources. Coal is pretty nasty, but you
can burn natural gas in a lot of ways that limit it's environmental effect.

All of our worries about global warming and other greenhouse gasses will be
pretty trivial as the third world continues it's steep ramp up the consumption
curve. China will surpass the US in CO2 generation this year, and their
pollution levels in dust and coal black are double ours. Move your troublesome
manufacturing out of the country all you like, it's still just one planet.

Electric cars are a popcorn fart compared to the real issues that face the
world. But saying they're useless because they use electricity from plants
that produce greenhouse gas demonstrates a deep lack of understanding of the
economics of transportable fuel vs. centralized power generation, as well as
just  basic thermodynamics. Its just an easy thing to repeat. If you really do
the math or a little research you'll be more enthusiastic.


On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> The problem with electric cars is that they run on whatever produces the
electricity, usually natural gas or coal, both produce green house gases. The
way you're doing it, Bill, makes more sense.  To have a 5 year payout, Hawaii
must have exceptional incentives for installing solar panels.  Payout periods
are usually 10 to 15 years. The problem with incentives is that they usually
change and rarely for the better.
> Larry

From mmoore at wave1.net  Wed Apr  3 03:55:49 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 05:55:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP  too
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01ce3051$6bfbee80$43f3cb80$@net>

I will be going, it's a VRG event

Thanks
Mike 62 TR4

Michael T. Moore, CPA
2007 West 32nd Street
Erie, PA 16508

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
Fax:        814-864-7383

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marty sukey
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:15 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] PVGP too

I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th
weekend.
Anybody else going to be there?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr  3 11:01:09 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:01:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] cam cores and Tom Kreger's email?
Message-ID: <8CFFEA3F968840B-1374-3C1C@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks for all of the help with cam cores....got it done.

Does anyone have email for Tom Kreger?  Thanks again.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  2 12:24:33 2013
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:24:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <9u9p0yw4k388jp42p5sn6rng.1364927073610@email.android.com>

It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a Prius when you include battery disposal.

Full disclosure, I just took delivery of a hybrid, but it shares the garage with a F150. The Triumphs reside in a separate garage.

When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' than any electric or hybrid vehicle.

Cheers,

Doug
--
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dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:

>You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
>hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
>landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles and
>oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
>power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
>I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
>backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me.
>Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
>Ty
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>(Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
>On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>>> car?
>>
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
>1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
>means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
>relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>>
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
>scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>>
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
>Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
>doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
>doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
>more acceptance.
>>
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
>There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
>on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
>They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
>pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>>
>> Randall
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Apr  2 14:22:13 2013
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:22:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <1364925918.55583.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <72479266.357425.1364934133494.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

"What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..



what becomes of the car"



I have two words......Big Block

Wouldn't that be a hoot. A supercharged GM big block running amidships in a
Prius.



jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: budscars at comcast.net
Cc: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:05:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars

not having an electric or hybrid type car I have an opinion... they are not as
'green' as they could be touted in the long run. The lithium batteries are not
forever batteries and at some date and time they will have to be disposed of.
I'm not sure of the re-cycling phase of that process... and lithium is not a
natural product found easily around the world...
I had a neighbor, Rick Perry (not the Texas governor) who was a 5 state
representative for Audi America.. (we own our third Audi) and his thought
about
diesel was pretty interesting... I think most of us 'racer' types have seen
what
Audi has done in the past with Formula 1 and diesel powered F1 super
cars....amazing success story I'm sure most will agree...but.. 100 mpg is not
a
stretch in the real world for a diesel powered vehicle in the near future...
diesel is a product that can be made out of natural products, like cooking
oil,
in the bio-diesel realm of things...
Seem to reason IMHO that diesel or bio-diesel could be a long term solution to
energy and 'green' standards for the future of consumer automobiles.... just a
thought.... B  Bobby Whitehead
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, April 1, 2013 11:20:09 AM
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are B no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Apr  2 16:23:53 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
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Hydrogen has to be produced also.  You can either extract it from the air or
strip it off of water molecules.  Both processes take energy, and if I
recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM
To: Randall
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars

You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles
and
oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
power....maybe not in my lifetime but.

I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped
me.
Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
the
>> car?
>
> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for
his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has
a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>
> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>
> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that
it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.
>
> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal
combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>
> Randall
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From weredinger at cox.net  Tue Apr  2 20:23:52 2013
From: weredinger at cox.net (Bill)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:23:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
References: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl><BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>
	<8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B79DB3124B2C4EB188C03E43C38D5E99@HomePC>

TR1 was a one off concept car used as the 1952 Earls Court, England, Show 
Car and was revised after the show to have a trunk and became a TR2 
Prototype, one of Ken Richardson's test cars. April Fools!

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype


>I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind.
>
> I don't think any prototypes survived.
>
> Someone on the list will likely know.....
>
> A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s.
>
> That was interesting.
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
>
>
> I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't 
> contemporary
> reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?
>
> Duncan Charlton
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:
>
>> Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr  3 12:08:11 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:08:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <9u9p0yw4k388jp42p5sn6rng.1364927073610@email.android.com>
References: <9u9p0yw4k388jp42p5sn6rng.1364927073610@email.android.com>
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Doug Mitchell wrote:
> It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a Prius when you include battery disposal.
>
I recall something about the earlier Prius models being one of the most 
environmentally
unfriendly cars to produce.  I can't recall the exact details, but it 
involved the nickel for
the batteries being mined in South Africa, the ore shipped to a smelter 
in Spain, then
halfway around the world to be formed into sheets, then the sheets 
shipped to Canada
to be made into batteries, which were shipped to Japan and put into cars 
that were
shipped back to North America.  That's a LOT of miles to be covered, 
powered by
petroleum.

mjb.

From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Apr  3 12:22:18 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:22:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <446cf.21d71bec.3e8dcd59@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/03/2013 11:54:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' 
> than any electric or hybrid vehicle.
> 

You mean...British Racing Green?

Bill (Damdinger)

From billdentin at aol.com  Wed Apr  3 15:24:36 2013
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:24:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
Message-ID: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>

Amici...

More sad news.  Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
February)
broke loose from its Alabama mooring.  I still say we should initiate a
movement
to get Carnival to change the ship's name.

Bill (Damdinger)

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Apr  3 16:10:02 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:10:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>

To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :)

At least with TRABANT they could reuse some of the lettering.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 4:25 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...

Amici...

More sad news.  Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
February)
broke loose from its Alabama mooring.  I still say we should initiate a
movement
to get Carnival to change the ship's name.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Apr  3 16:22:44 2013
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:22:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
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A friend of mine's father was asked to inspect the boat post incident. The
stories are pretty amazing. Engine #1 apparently blew the glow plugs right out
of the head, which, when followed by lots of volatiles, lead to a pretty
spectacular fire.

On Apr 3, 2013, at 17:24, billdentin at aol.com wrote:

> Amici...
>
> More sad news.  Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
> February)
> broke loose from its Alabama mooring.  I still say we should initiate a
> movement
> to get Carnival to change the ship's name.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr  3 16:31:29 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>
References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
	<000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>
Message-ID: <515CADC1.5030103@bradakis.com>

Tim Murphy wrote:
> To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :)
>
MG would be pretty easy to spell ;-)

mjb.

From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Apr  3 16:54:59 2013
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:54:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <883350473-1365029698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1485343904-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>

I leased a chevy volt in dec 2012.. Three year deal. Since dec 10 I filled up w 8 gallons gas.  With another car I would have filled at least every ten days.    I have a solar panel array.  This past weekend I made about about 56KW per day.  As the days get longer the array generates perhaps 70+KW. 

The car is nearly noisless, gobs of instant torque and smooth.  I. Want to hot rod it and take it on the track.  Does scca have an all electric class?
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

From ponobill at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 22:03:33 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:03:33 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <883350473-1365029698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1485343904-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>
References: <883350473-1365029698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1485343904-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <BBED53F5-7D8B-4AEF-9475-09B2DE657CC8@bnj.com>

I consider the Chevy Volt to be the best engineered and most practical of all
the electrics. The technology is superb, it's a real achievement.



On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:54 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote:

> I leased a chevy volt in dec 2012.. Three year deal. Since dec 10 I filled
up w 8 gallons gas.  With another car I would have filled at least every ten
days.    I have a solar panel array.  This past weekend I made about about
56KW per day.  As the days get longer the array generates perhaps 70+KW.
>
> The car is nearly noisless, gobs of instant torque and smooth.  I. Want to
hot rod it and take it on the track.  Does scca have an all electric class?
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 01:57:43 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:57:43 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <65C90AB5-71C9-46DD-87FA-F1D58E206FDA@bnj.com>
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	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
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	<65C90AB5-71C9-46DD-87FA-F1D58E206FDA@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <0964D2C0-52C6-4427-809B-19E627B846C7@gmail.com>

One last comment and then I'll quit. the REAL issue holding back cheap,
efficient, "green" transportation is the mixed mode of transport. for a car to
be safe it has to survive on a road with trucks and existing two ton cars --
which is the average weight of cars in America, from the 3,200 pound Honda
Accord (most popular car) to the 5500 pound F150. There's no way to be super
efficient when you have to move two tons to carry one person--which is all the
average car has in it (well, 1.24 occupants, but its close enough). One ton
per person is ridiculous, especially when you have to climb hills, two is
insane. Should be something more like two hundred pounds per person. Easy to
do with carbon fiber and modern electric stuff. My tricycle weighs 65 pounds
and goes 65 MPH. Stops on a dime and gives you seven cents change. Of course
you have to be crazy to do that in mixed traffic, which is pretty much what
the cops have been telling me each time they catch me.

Next time you're stuck in traffic, picture all those massive cars replaced
with tiny, light, two person vehicles. Poof, traffic jam gone. Except in
Italy, where it's already happened but the roads were built for bicycles--or
maybe scooters.

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr  4 03:12:33 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:12:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304040509350.3927@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I'm not sure if this got posted earlier, but I tripped across this neat 
poster of the 2012 Pagoda Hillclimb... it's on the bottom of the BMR home 
page:

http://www.bmr-scca.org/

That sure looks a lot like Richard Good's hillclimb car...

Neat!

rml
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From rikrock at live.com  Thu Apr  4 08:39:16 2013
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:39:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo
Message-ID: <BLU403-EAS2402D261A3300FE610C87B4C6D90@phx.gbl>

Yes, that is Richard Good's car.  We do a poster every year advertising our
two hillclimbs.  It's Blue Mountain Region SCCA, not Blue Ridge.

Bob, are you still planning on coming to Pagoda Hillclimb in  June?  Entry
forms will be out soon.

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Robert M. Lang
Sent: 4/4/2013 5:45 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo

Hi,

I'm not sure if this got posted earlier, but I tripped across this neat
poster of the 2012 Pagoda Hillclimb... it's on the bottom of the BMR home
page:

http://www.bmr-scca.org/

That sure looks a lot like Richard Good's hillclimb car...

Neat!

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr  4 09:22:00 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:22:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo
In-Reply-To: <BLU403-EAS2402D261A3300FE610C87B4C6D90@phx.gbl>
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On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Rich Rock wrote:

> Yes, that is Richard Good's car.  We do a poster every year advertising our
> two hillclimbs.  It's Blue Mountain Region SCCA, not Blue Ridge.

OOps.

> Bob, are you still planning on coming to Pagoda Hillclimb in  June?  Entry
> forms will be out soon.

I'm leaning that way. I finally got my medical forms all squared away and 
will get the application in the mail tomorrow for the SCCA novice 
time-trial license. So things are looking up.

There's an outside chance that I won't be able to make it, but at this 
stage it's actually a fairly remote chance.

Selling a house is a lot of work!

> Rich Rock

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From jkhagen at charter.net  Wed Apr  3 12:28:55 2013
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:28:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <785bba94.6621fa.13dd128a90c.Webtop.46@charter.net>

It's been said that the carbon footprint of building/buying a new car is 
about equal to driving it the average 7 years.  Soooo-stop waste 
"Recycle old race cars"
    John Hagen


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote:

> It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a 
> Prius when you include battery disposal.
>
> Full disclosure, I just took delivery of a hybrid, but it shares the 
> garage with a F150. The Triumphs reside in a separate garage.
>
> When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' 
> than any electric or hybrid vehicle.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doug
> --
> Doug Mitchell
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
>
> Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power 
>> plants,
>> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in 
>> a
>> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" 
>> vehicles and
>> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
>> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>>
>> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy 
>> was
>> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about 
>> clipped me.
>> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>>
>> Ty
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes 
>>>> of the
>>>> car?
>>>
>>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery 
>>> for his
>> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I 
>> suspect
>> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a 
>> Prius has a
>> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>>>
>>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it 
>>> gets
>> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>>>
>>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility 
>>> is in
>> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, 
>> but it
>> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so 
>> cheap that it
>> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric 
>> cars gain
>> more acceptance.
>>>
>>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal 
>>> combustion.
>> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting 
>> and so
>> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to 
>> claim.
>> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of 
>> the
>> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>>>
>>> Randall
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 14:33:04 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:33:04 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
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References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
	<001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com>
Message-ID: <65C90AB5-71C9-46DD-87FA-F1D58E206FDA@bnj.com>

Yup. Numerous ways of making hydrogen, but all involve either natural gas or
methane as a feedstock plus steam to feed the reaction, or hydrolysis, using
electricity. It's just a transportable storage medium, the same as electricity
in batteries. And of course it takes more energy to produce it than it
releases when you recombine it. Trust good old themodynamics to apply a tax.

Transportable fuels require a lot of energy to make and transport, including
gasolene and diesel.

A common error is to just look at how much energy is required to obtain and
refine the fuel. It also takes energy to build and maintain the refineries,
and build, operate and maintain the transportation structure to and from the
refineries, build, maintain and operate the gas stations. Seven percent of the
energy in the US is used to operate refineries. Crank that up to include all
the infrastructure and transport costs and it's probably more like ten
percent. That works out to about 15KWH per gallon.

Gasolene energy equivalence is roughly 33 KWH/gallon

Ethanol generates about 25 KWH/gal. Ethanol gets a bad rap, mostly because the
early plants (1980) were inefficient. State of the art plants for corn-based
ethanol are nearly twice as efficient as early plants, and create co-products
that have value as feed, fertilizer, and plastic feedstock. An energy output
of around 84,000 BTUs/gallon requires 48,000BTUs/gal to produce and the
co-products are worth about 36,000 BTUs for a net energy gain of about 72,000
BTUs -- about 150%. That calculation includes all energy inputs, including
bulk transport, fertilizer, etc. but does not include the infrastructure
energy costs required to build refineries.

Of course corn used for ethanol starves a kid in india, so they say. That
arguement didn't work for me when my Mom told me to clean my plate. It remains
a bit thin today. Ultimately there's cellulosic ethanol, and if the ethanol
market keeps growing we'll be making that too. The yield is higher in terms of
energy in/energy out, but the infrastructure is more expensive. No one is
jumping on that. The co-products from cellulosic ethanol are more valuable
than corn-based. Good plastic feedstocks, surfactants, building materials,
specialized alchohols, etc.

Again, no easy answers, but facile statements like "ethanol takes more energy
to produce than it yields" is simply repeating what some flack got some lazy
reporters to publish.


On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:23 PM, "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:

> Hydrogen has to be produced also.  You can either extract it from the air
or
> strip it off of water molecules.  Both processes take energy, and if I
> recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: Randall
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars
>
> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles
> and
> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped
> me.
> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
> the
>>> car?
>>
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for
> his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I
suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has
> a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>>
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>>
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that
> it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars
gain
> more acceptance.
>>
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal
> combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>>
>> Randall
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>>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Apr  3 16:39:37 2013
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:39:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>
Message-ID: <481466458.398561.1365028777282.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

With a couple well placed shaped charges we could call it ......Carnival Reef.

jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: billdentin at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...

To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :)

At least with TRABANT they could reuse some of the lettering.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 4:25 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...

Amici...

More sad news. B Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
February)
broke loose from its Alabama mooring. B I still say we should initiate a
movement
to get Carnival to change the ship's name.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Wed Apr  3 22:52:22 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:52:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP  too
References: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<000d01ce3051$6bfbee80$43f3cb80$@net>
Message-ID: <0DC6B17F42CE4A46B3EB7062FCBB5EC9@hpd530>

I'll be there.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "'marty sukey'" <trmarty at hotmail.com>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP too


>I will be going, it's a VRG event
>
> Thanks
> Mike 62 TR4
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 2007 West 32nd Street
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
> Fax:        814-864-7383
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of marty sukey
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:15 PM
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] PVGP too
>
> I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th
> weekend.
> Anybody else going to be there?
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Apr  4 13:37:14 2013
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:37:14 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <65C90AB5-71C9-46DD-87FA-F1D58E206FDA@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20130404193714.L5ZZ4.60397.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>

---- Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Seven percent of the
> energy in the US is used to operate refineries. 

I think there is something wrong with that number.  Refineries are powered primarily by electricity, and they just don't use that much electricity.

For example, http://goo.gl/Ag0dy reports that the US petroleum industry used approx 48E12 wH in 2005.  But our national consumption for 2005 was around 3800E12.  So oil refineries (which produce much more than just gasoline & diesel) only used about 1% of the electricity.

And gasoline production (only) for 2005 was about 130E9 gallons
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=wgfrpus2&f=w
meaning it took less than 400 wH per gallon of gasoline.

The only way I think you could get close to 7% is by counting petroleum that they take in and don't turn into energy sources; like asphalt and plastics.

It's really hard to beat pumping energy out of the ground ... until there isn't any left to pump out.  None of the "alternative" sources make much sense until we finally do run out of fossil fuels.  Of course, that particular sky has been reported to be falling for several decades now, but it hasn't happened yet.

Randall

From cregg.cowan at sri.com  Thu Apr  4 14:19:18 2013
From: cregg.cowan at sri.com (Cregg Cowan)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:19:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
Message-ID: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>

Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts,

In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the 
combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention
in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/).  The event is 
located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco.

Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for 
display (both new photos and vintage ones).
If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing to let 
us display them during the convention we would
be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your contribution.
We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to 11x17 or 
larger formats.

Thanks!

Cregg Cowan
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club

From clw2000 at msn.com  Thu Apr  4 14:46:19 2013
From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
References: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
Message-ID: <BLU154-W334DD36B0F1291DB0AAC69BFD90@phx.gbl>

Cregg -

I have tons of GT6 and Le Mans Spitfire pics that I can forward.  Let me know
if you prefer color or B&W or what.  Anyone else who wants to be copied, let
me know....

Thanks,

Chuck Watson


Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC









> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:19:18 -0700
> From: cregg.cowan at sri.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
>
> Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts,
>
> In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the
> combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention
> in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/). The event is
> located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco.
>
> Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for
> display (both new photos and vintage ones).
> If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing to let
> us display them during the convention we would
> be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your contribution.
> We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to 11x17 or
> larger formats.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cregg Cowan
> Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
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>
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 14:52:06 2013
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
References: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
Message-ID: <004901ce3176$46aabe60$d4003b20$@com>

Check out my website, www.botchagaloop.net and see if you can find anything
you like.
If you want the 300dpi version send me the complete name(s) of the photo(s)
which is displayed.
Without that name I cannot dig the higher res copy out...

Give yourself a few days to peruse!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos
"Reality, it's not what you think." 

From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 15:08:57 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:08:57 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130404193714.L5ZZ4.60397.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
References: <20130404193714.L5ZZ4.60397.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <9E0EF74E-07E8-4F47-8D85-63A126957BC8@bnj.com>

The generally used rule of thumb for energy required to make gasolene is 13KWH
per gallon from all sources of energy required. That's a long way from 400
watt hours, which sounds kind of silly right up front. I don't recall the
source of the 7% number. I was pulling it from memory, and I think it includes
all energy used in refineries, not just electricity. There's a billion sources
on the web, but there's a lot of information gathered at this site, a strongly
slanted view, but the sources cited are reasonable and the guys conclusions
are both rational and interesting: http://www.evnut.com/gasoline_oil.htm

On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Seven percent of the
>> energy in the US is used to operate refineries.
>
> I think there is something wrong with that number.  Refineries are powered
primarily by electricity, and they just don't use that much electricity.
>
> For example, http://goo.gl/Ag0dy reports that the US petroleum industry used
approx 48E12 wH in 2005.  But our national consumption for 2005 was around
3800E12.  So oil refineries (which produce much more than just gasoline &
diesel) only used about 1% of the electricity.
>
> And gasoline production (only) for 2005 was about 130E9 gallons
> http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=wgfrpus2&f=w
> meaning it took less than 400 wH per gallon of gasoline.
>
> The only way I think you could get close to 7% is by counting petroleum that
they take in and don't turn into energy sources; like asphalt and plastics.
>
> It's really hard to beat pumping energy out of the ground ... until there
isn't any left to pump out.  None of the "alternative" sources make much sense
until we finally do run out of fossil fuels.  Of course, that particular sky
has been reported to be falling for several decades now, but it hasn't
happened yet.
>
> Randall
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>
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr  4 15:25:55 2013
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:25:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
Message-ID: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>

Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any preference for one photo sharing site over another? I have many old photos that I am scanning, as well as video clips that I would like to put on a sharing site for others to see.

Thanks,

Doug
--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

From koblinger at verizon.net  Thu Apr  4 15:55:04 2013
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:55:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
Message-ID: <7648873.381556.1365112504304.JavaMail.root@vms170033>


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr  4 16:14:35 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:14:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos,
 new and old   now  FOT WEBSITE.
In-Reply-To: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
References: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <8CFFF98ECAE3DC6-1374-FC6E@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>

We have a FRIEND'S OF TRIUMPH website, but we are looking for someone to
maintain it.

Mordy DUNST is the 'sponsor' of the site.

Henry FRYE  is the 'webmaster' of the site.

I believe we are presently looking for someone support Henry with edited
material and submissions, along with manipulating the material.

Perhaps Mordy and Henry can elaborate on this, more, but if anyone has any
skills in this arena, please speak up.

Thanks

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old


Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any preference for one
photo
sharing site over another? I have many old photos that I am scanning, as well
as
video clips that I would like to put on a sharing site for others to see.

Thanks,

Doug
--
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dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr  4 17:54:12 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:54:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELECTRIC CARS   >   ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT
Message-ID: <8CFFFA6D7094C13-1374-1042B@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>

Another dimension of electric travel......While we are at it.

Last year, I stopped to see legendary sailplane designer, George Applebay,
just outside Albuquerque, NM.  In his mid-80s, he is adapting electric power
assist to one of his sailplane designs.

Shortly, there will a conference in Santa Rosa, California on electric powered
flight.

A European aircraft manufacturer just completed the first of two 30 minute
flights.

Good to see this stuff going on, regardless of the outcomes. You never know
where it might lead.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Apr  4 18:07:16 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:07:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos,
 new and old   now   FOT WEBSITE.
In-Reply-To: <8CFFF98ECAE3DC6-1374-FC6E@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>
References: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
	<8CFFF98ECAE3DC6-1374-FC6E@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <515E15B4.5020905@bradakis.com>

One can go to the Team.Net forum [ link below ] and use the Triumph forum
for pics and such.

mjb.

From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Apr  4 18:36:34 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:36:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank case ventin
Message-ID: <775BDD31-07EF-4E0C-BBD8-36EEC7D1D7C7@aol.com>

Amici

I know there was a topic about crankcase venting and a link to a website.  I
searched the archives and can't find it.

Please help

From cregg.cowan at sri.com  Thu Apr  4 23:13:54 2013
From: cregg.cowan at sri.com (Cregg Cowan)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:13:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <68f60.633e14d5.3e8f6672@aol.com>
References: <68f60.633e14d5.3e8f6672@aol.com>
Message-ID: <515E5D92.2080604@sri.com>

Thanks everyone for the enthusiastic response --- I'm thrilled and a 
little bit overwhelmed.  It will take a few days to digest all of the 
responses, but I will get back to each of you as soon as I can.

Certainly digital scans are the easiest to handle, but I'm not opposed 
to the idea of borrowing prints, making copies and sending back the 
originals.

What a group!

Best Regards,
Cregg

REK46 at aol.com wrote:
> wher do we send them, and can they be scans or computer photos or do 
> they have to be actual glossys?
>  
> In a message dated 4/4/2013 4:41:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> cregg.cowan at sri.com writes:
>
>     Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts,
>
>     In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the
>     combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention
>     in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/).  The event is
>     located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco.
>
>     Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for
>     display (both new photos and vintage ones).
>     If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing
>     to let
>     us display them during the convention we would
>     be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your
>     contribution.
>     We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to
>     11x17 or
>     larger formats.
>
>     Thanks!
>
>     Cregg Cowan
>     Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
>     _______________________________________________
>     fot at autox.team.net
>
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Apr  5 10:15:58 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:15:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank case venting
Message-ID: <447D4B65-867C-4ACB-95C7-1CA6317F1D4F@aol.com>

Amici

Thank you for all the replies.   I now have what I was looking for. 

This list is awesome!

Thanks you all

Chris

From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Apr  5 10:21:14 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:21:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Badges and flags
Message-ID: <237CB0DA-7DD4-4BCD-9F80-4FDBB7A52104@aol.com>

Amici

The Kastner Cup is approaching. Do you have your swag on?   

Flags $15 size is approx 23x34, printed on one side, grommets also. 

Grill badge $30, real gold, mounting hardware included. 

Both show the FOT crest as seen in the website. Pictures are available. 

Price includes shipping. 


Get them while they last. 

PayPal to SeaCubeCo at aol.com

Or check, MO, cash to
Chris Bock
19372 Handy Road
Bridgeville, DE 19933

Sincerely
Chris

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Apr  5 11:41:30 2013
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:41:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <5D.7B.04559.2CC0F515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any 
> preference for one photo sharing site over another?

I like Photobucket, it works better for me than the others I have tried.
They make it really easy to link to a single photograph, or an entire album.
Uploading is painless.  Although there is a size limit unless you pay for
the full service, the uploading process will automatically resize for you
rather than just refuse to work.  And they don't seem to mind that I have
most of the ads blocked.

One downside is that reorganizing your albums will break the link to
anything you move; and there isn't any way (that I've found) to replace a
photo without breaking the link.  Also it can be a pain to get a short link
to just the image instead of the entire web page (although maybe that's part
of a paid subscription).

http://www.photobucket.com/

-- Randall 

From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Apr  5 13:54:12 2013
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
	<001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com>
Message-ID: <515F2BE4.5090109@pobox.com>

It takes as much energy to convert water to hydrogen (and oxygen) as you 
get back when you burn it to get H20 back, minus those good old 
efficiency loses.  In thermodynamics there is never a free lunch. 
Storing hydrogen is one of the major problems, since it doesn't like to 
exist in liquid form and thus takes up a lot of space.  Since Oklahoma 
is a gas producing state, there is a lot of interest in CNG, but it has 
the same storage problem.  Nevertheless, a lot of public vehicles are 
being converted to CNG and a few filling stations are even showing up.  
Hydrogen seems like it would be very clean, but if all cars ran on it, 
how much would the humidity change in our cities?  Would Phoenix become 
more like Houston?  Not a happy thought.


On 4/2/2013 5:23 PM, Tim Murphy wrote:
> Hydrogen has to be produced also.  You can either extract it from the air or
> strip it off of water molecules.  Both processes take energy, and if I
> recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com(
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: Randall
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars
>
> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles
> and
> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped
> me.
> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
> the
>>> car?
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for
> his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has
> a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that
> it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
> more acceptance.
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal
> combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>> Randall
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr  6 00:06:04 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:06:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fun.
Message-ID: <515FBB4C.4070709@bradakis.com>

No power for 8 hours.  Possible hardware issues due to power bumps.
Computers can be fun.

mjb.

From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Apr  6 07:32:48 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 09:32:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fun.
Message-ID: <6ed27.df26fc.3e917e00@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/06/2013 12:19:56 AM Central Standard Time, 
mark at bradakis.com writes:


> No power for 8 hours.  Possible hardware issues due to power bumps.
> Computers can be fun.
> 
> 

Mark...

I've had no power since June 20th, 1959, but she feeds me, and she says 
that she loves me.

Bill (Damdinger)

From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sat Apr  6 10:38:27 2013
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 12:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR8 alloy wheels
Message-ID: <CALsVEtC51XaXsPgi-CLeFFJzqdaUL6v2AT_zfiF0PgG6tx4R1w@mail.gmail.com>

Someone had said they wanted the TR8 alloy wheels I had on my Spit.  I've
replaced them but now I can't remember who it was that wanted them.  If it
was someone on FOT please let me know.  Don

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:33:39 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:33:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>

Thought you might be interested to know, as of now there are 61 folks planning
on competition in the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. TR4 will be by far the
largest car group at 26 cars. I'm pretty sure that's a record turnout.
Everybody will be looking quite spiffy also as there are 100 event t-shirts on
order so far. There is still plenty of time to get your name added to the back
of the shirt and place an order.

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:46:22 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>

Hi Marty,

Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von marty sukey
Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. April 2013 14:34
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup

Thought you might be interested to know, as of now there are 61 folks
planning on competition in the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. TR4 will be by
far the largest car group at 26 cars. I'm pretty sure that's a record
turnout.
Everybody will be looking quite spiffy also as there are 100 event t-shirts
on order so far. There is still plenty of time to get your name added to the
back of the shirt and place an order.
_______________________________________________
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:56:30 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>,
	<000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>

Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place
the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make
arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time
advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if you
don't have it.

Marty

----------------------------------------
> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
>
> Hi Marty,
>
> Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
> How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?
>
> Cheers

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:58:37 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:58:37 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>,
	<000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
	<BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000101ce338f$a0b6d680$e2248380$@com>

I need one for myself.
I'm tall and slim. No idea about the size.
L or XL?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: marty sukey [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. April 2013 14:56
An: MadMarx; FOT
Betreff: RE: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup

Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place
the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make
arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time
advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if
you don't have it.

Marty

----------------------------------------
> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
>
> Hi Marty,
>
> Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
> How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?
>
> Cheers
> Chris

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:58:46 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:58:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup oops
Message-ID: <BLU168-W118D518D270FAA3967B52F7BAC40@phx.gbl>

The Kastner Cup is at Road America this year. NOT Road Atlanta like I said in
my earlier email.

From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Apr  7 07:23:51 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:23:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>
	<000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
	<BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48A52571-9323-455A-BE26-25BD413FEA32@aol.com>

I would like one XL shirt mailed to me

Thanks
Chris

On Apr 7, 2013, at 8:56 AM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place
> the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make
> arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time
> advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if
you
> don't have it.
>
> Marty
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
>> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
>>
>> Hi Marty,
>>
>> Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
>> How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?
>>
>> Cheers
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 18:42:12 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:42:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
Message-ID: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>

Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires?
I see them for the TR6's.

Thanks,

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Apr  7 21:50:15 2013
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:50:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1365393015.40152.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Marty:
According to the part numbers they are the same part.
-Ed-

--- On Sun, 4/7/13, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, April 7, 2013, 7:42 PM


Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires?
I see them for the TR6's.

Thanks,
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Apr  7 21:57:24 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 21:57:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <51624024.9070509@bradakis.com>

marty sukey wrote:
> Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires?
>

Is that the 1296 or the 1296?  I know the Mark 4 big journal 1296 is the
same as the TR6, and I think the small journal Mark 3 motor is the same,
but I'm not 100 percent positive.

mjb.

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr  8 13:38:55 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 21:38:55 +0200
Subject: [Fot] My new tow car....
In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B340@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry>
	<5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> <002701ce0543$4905aee0$db110ca0$@com>
	<82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B21D@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
	<000901ce054b$8cd7ebd0$a687c370$@com>
	<82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B293@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
	<001501ce054e$241e5a40$6c5b0ec0$@com>
	<82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B340@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <000601ce3490$b65609f0$23021dd0$@com>

I was concerned if the Hummer H3  3.5L could tow my race car up steep hills
here in Europe.

As this car is made regular fuel I thought I could rise power and mileage
with some chip tuning.



So I bought an US software and created a new spark map.

Today was first test.with great result. Great torque, more top speed, and
it looks very promising for a better mileage.



I changed the ignition advance more to a racing style.



The stock total advance was 19 degree, now it has 29 degree which I dared
without a rolling road dyno test.



Next few days will show what consumption the car has with 98RON.



Cheers

Chris

From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Apr  9 16:12:55 2013
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:12:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [TR] FW: Windshield from Moss - Follow up
In-Reply-To: <000301ce3562$36855d20$a3901760$@net>
References: <000301ce3562$36855d20$a3901760$@net>
Message-ID: <107339F3C45145C0AD5DA21CDEDA11E8@Vista>

It could be that it was not cut wrong but was mislabeled.  There are two
different Spitfire windshields (up to 1970 and post 1970).  Since the
earlier ones also fit the other cars mentioned (including yours), that other
one may be a later Spit windshield that has been mislabeled or placed in the
wrong warehouse location.  Since Moss doesn't intentionally carry any
pre-1970 Spitfire parts, that may indeed be the issue.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Culligan
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:39 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] FW: Windshield from Moss - Follow up

I wrote:

  > I bought a windshield from Moss Motors back in January 2013.  It's for
my TR6 

>but it says it also fits TR4, Spits, GT6s, etc.  Well, it doesn't fit a
TR6.  The glass was 

>cut unevenly and the passenger side is too tall. Moss is sending a
replacement & 

>it is hoped that it will fit.  Just a word of caution.

 

The new windshield arrived and it fits just fine.  No idea how the 

other one got cut wrong. 

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U

 

PS. Someone asked if it's a Triplex - no, it's not. 

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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Wed Apr 10 06:30:44 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:30:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
Message-ID: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>

Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new 
race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.

Details at www.tr4racer.com

I'm running the car at VIR this weekend, and plan on the rest of my spring 
events with a For Sale sing on it, we'll see!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr 10 13:20:43 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:20:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA/FOT PLANNING - KASTNER CUP - 2013 ROAD AMERICA
Message-ID: <8D00437A16F6D55-30C-91E6@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

Just a note indicating the depth of planning:

VSCDA is allocating space for the TRIUMPH STREET CARS attending the KASTNER
CUP.

The space will be between the popular Turn 5 and Turn 6, honoring the fact
that we are the featured marque.

This fits in nicely with the Friends of Triumph Paddock Area & Garages across
from Turn 5.

REMINDER:  Reserve your garage space with Jason, ASAP.   (VSCDA TECH
INSPECTION will occur in these garages on THURSDAY afternoon)

We also in close proximity to the WELCOME DINNER on Friday Night. At that time
there will also be a 'TRIUMPH CAR SHOW' with both STREET TRs & and RACE
PREPARED TRs. The show is free and will be people's choice.

The FOT is getting a lot of attention, along with our VTR Brethren.





Joe Alexander
KASTNER CUP 2013
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Apr 10 14:06:08 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:06:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA/FOT PLANNING - KASTNER CUP - 2013 ROAD AMERICA
In-Reply-To: <8D00437A16F6D55-30C-91E6@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D00437A16F6D55-30C-91E6@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BA13D80C-4D36-4D1C-82C0-C596BB43AB70@gdhs.com>

Jason:  I think I have already sent you a pit reservation, but if not we have
a 60 foot Toterhome   Thanks
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> Just a note indicating the depth of planning:
>
> VSCDA is allocating space for the TRIUMPH STREET CARS attending the KASTNER
> CUP.
>
> The space will be between the popular Turn 5 and Turn 6, honoring the fact
> that we are the featured marque.
>
> This fits in nicely with the Friends of Triumph Paddock Area & Garages
across
> from Turn 5.
>
> REMINDER:  Reserve your garage space with Jason, ASAP.   (VSCDA TECH
> INSPECTION will occur in these garages on THURSDAY afternoon)
>
> We also in close proximity to the WELCOME DINNER on Friday Night. At that
time
> there will also be a 'TRIUMPH CAR SHOW' with both STREET TRs & and RACE
> PREPARED TRs. The show is free and will be people's choice.
>
> The FOT is getting a lot of attention, along with our VTR Brethren.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> KASTNER CUP 2013
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Apr 10 20:55:27 2013
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:55:27 +1000
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>

i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
TR with near stock ride height.
.
As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre

can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
work when viewed from above.

every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
appropriate " for the TR

thanks
Terry
Australia

From rjl6n at cstone.net  Thu Apr 11 05:48:10 2013
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:48:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness
happen.  Happy Birthday MJB!

From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Apr 11 06:03:57 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:03:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <1896530A-0AC8-4AA9-B78B-0E4CB80A92E1@aol.com>

Happy Birthday MJB!

On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "R. John Lye" <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:

> Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness
> happen.  Happy Birthday MJB!
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr 11 06:16:18 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:16:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304110815540.5990@isis.mit.edu>

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, R. John Lye wrote:

> Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness
> happen.  Happy Birthday MJB!


LIKE!!!

rml
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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 07:30:23 2013
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:30:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 for Sale
Message-ID: <00d401ce36b8$b9050780$2b0f1680$@com>

Henry, you are selling your car too cheap.  If I wasn't spending a fortune
on getting my TR3 back on the track I would buy it in a minute!!  Good luck,
someone will be getting a great car at a great price!

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Apr 11 17:33:05 2013
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:33:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51674831.6020100@blacksburg.net>

On 4/10/2013 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
> i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
> TR with near stock ride height.
> .
> As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
> seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre
>
> can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
> want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
> regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
> work when viewed from above.
>
> every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
> not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
> appropriate " for the TR
>
> thanks
> Terry
> Australia
> _______________________________________________
>    
Terry, if you have comparative measurements between the TR4 fenders 
("wings") and the TR6, this info should help.  I have 16x7 VTO wheels 
with +12mm offset, 205/60/16 tires on my TR4 and I can tell you that my 
tires projected outside the fender lip by 1 1/4".  At the time of those 
measurements I had 0 camber.  I've since gone to negative camber and 
will put 195s on the car but haven't gotten there yet so can't report 
results.  BTW, +12mm offset is *wrong* for the TRs.  Well, unless you 
don't want to go to full lock.  I'd guess that 0 offset would probably work.

Are the Superlite folks still in business?  They're from your neck of 
the woods, and I should have kept my 15x6 Superlites instead of going 
this route.  Oh well, live and .... live.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Apr 11 17:52:00 2013
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:52:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nORpQtx2M+9abE+JV96sMiZQQkU7KDkN_NmOqpfoinxYOw@mail.gmail.com>

Terry,

I use 205/60/15's on stock wheels on my car with no issues whatsoever. I
seem to recall having had some 215/55's at one point as well with no
issues.

Bob


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track <
enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote:

> i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
> TR with near stock ride height.
> .
> As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
> seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre
>
> can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
> want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
> regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
> work when viewed from above.
>
> every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
> not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
> appropriate " for the TR
>
> thanks
> Terry
> Australia
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Apr 11 18:52:36 2013
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:52:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <51674831.6020100@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <1804272731.661862.1365727956409.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Jim,

The Superlites are no longer available in the US. Pack Racing used to sell
them but the factory

dropped the US market or so I'm told. I couldn't get the factory to return any
email either.

I have six of them now and tried to buy four more for rains & spares.

I have a set of matching VTO's on the way now. I can't reall y speak to your
clearance issues. I use 6x15's

with hoosier R6's & Toyo RA-1's in the 50 series. I have lowered springs and I
can tell you I

couldn't go any larger than 6" wide without either getting into the shock
tower or the fender lip.

Brad Burry at RaceKraft I think just found out his 15x7's on his TR6 won't
work without flairing the fe nders.

He's got it on the chassis jig now.

Maybe rolling the fender lip will do it for you but you'll be in danger
proximity to the shock tower in the front B without spacers

and then there's that fender again.

jim g


----- Original Message -----


From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:33:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6

On 4/10/2013 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
> i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
> TR with near stock ride height.
> .
> As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
> seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre
>
> can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
> want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
> regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
> work when viewed from above.
>
> every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
> not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
> appropriate " for the TR
>
> thanks
> Terry
> Australia
> _______________________________________________
> B  B 
Terry, if you have comparative measurements between the TR4 fenders
("wings") and the TR6, this info should help. B I have 16x7 VTO wheels
with +12mm offset, 205/60/16 tires on my TR4 and I can tell you that my
tires projected outside the fender lip by 1 1/4". B At the time of those
measurements I had 0 camber. B I've since gone to negative camber and
will put 195s on the car but haven't gotten there yet so can't report
results. B BTW, +12mm offset is *wrong* for the TRs. B Well, unless you
don't want to go to full lock. B I'd guess that 0 offset would probably work.

Are the Superlite folks still in business? B They're from your neck of
the woods, and I should have kept my 15x6 Superlites instead of going
this route. B Oh well, live and .... live.

jim

--
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Apr 11 14:23:59 2013
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:23:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] The Gathering in Dobson, NC - (warning - commercial content)
Message-ID: <51671BDF.5060807@bright.net>

I will be attending this event at Dobson, NC as a vendor. If anybody 
needs me to bring specific parts, please let me know.  Free shipping is 
good, especially if you need large or heavy parts.  Order early - order 
often. See you there. Thanks for your time. Ted






















-- 
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tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 15:37:11 2013
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Garages
Message-ID: <01d101ce36fc$ba883430$2f989c90$@com>

Hello Jason,

I would like to use one of the garage spaces for my TR3.  I will have my
F350 Crew Cab pickup and a 24' enclosed trailer.  About 50' overall length.
Thanks!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319 (Mobile)

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri Apr 12 14:42:48 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:42:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 24 foot aluminum trailer for sale 40% off
Message-ID: <000001ce37be$4c600c40$e52024c0$@com>

My friend has a body shop and auction business where he auctions vehicles
that have been written off by insurance companies.  He has a 24 foot Legend
Deluxe V-Nose aluminum trailer, Model No. 721DVNTA35 that has been written
off because it was "jack knifed" while being moved and cracked the aluminum
tongue bracket.  The tongue was re-TIG welded, the same as the rest of the
aluminum frame but the owner did not want to accept it.  The weld is about 4
inches long.  It has never been used or had a car in it.  It was made to
haul a Legend race car.  The weight of the trailer is 2160 lbs. and the
payload is 4840 lbs. for a GVWR of 7000 lbs.  The full specifications can be
seen at www.legendmfginc.com.   To say that it is fully optioned would be an
understatement.  The cost of the trailer was about $9000 and the cost of the
options was about $10,000.  Total cost with tax was over $20,000.  It has
over 16 feet of flush mount E-track for tie down in the floor, a 16 foot
attached checkerboard awning and it is 6 inches taller than standard among
other options.  As noted above, the insurance company is heavily discounting
the trailer.

 

If interested e-mail contact at jeepsbodyshop.com for more information and a
complete list of the options.   Or call 920-921-1137 and ask for Jeep.  I've
seen it and it is very nice, to say the least.  It is located in the Fond du
Lac, Wisconsin area which is about 35 miles due west from Elkhart Lake.

 

No financial interest at all, just posting it for a friend.

 

Tim

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Fri Apr 12 14:54:19 2013
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:54:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
Message-ID: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>

Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?

thxx,
Bob

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 12 15:21:33 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:21:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>

Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's
But not 8's
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>
> thxx,
> Bob
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From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Fri Apr 12 15:51:41 2013
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:51:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
	<E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <E8D7DC6C6C98426F8B9762F9E3D802EF@TER2>

42 dcoe 8 carbs were fitted to Maserati 3500 cars.
                                                                             
                Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: "Bob Davis" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question


> Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's
> But not 8's
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>>
>> thxx,
>> Bob
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Apr 12 17:07:51 2013
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:07:51 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re; wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b1gWJrOE=gHVDrDOTQPE0ovziJ5TSV0BQLkoxRpdifDMg@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for all the replies guys. my car is a TR5 (same as 250) and when i
wrote the message I said TR5 or TR6, forgetting about the different width
of TR6 wings/fenders (whatever you call them)

So, back to basics,,,, who can comment on TR4 or 250 wheel tyre sizes

Terry

From kaskastner at gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 17:56:06 2013
From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:56:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Steering levers
Message-ID: <CAGiQU1Db2LrGOZe2YfjZq5aV8VOq_dEEd9T2XqTsWXqYis=W8A@mail.gmail.com>

Manufacturers make them of a mild steel that can be bent but not break.  If
it bends you can still steer, if it breaks you are off the road in most
cases. It is a saftey issue. Racers have been doing it for years.  Heat red
hot, and bend, easy to do. Mark the point to bend with chalk or a welders
pencil so you keep the heat away from the upright and on the spot you want
to bend.

*Never be beaten by equipment.*

From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Apr 12 21:58:51 2013
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:58:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
	<E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <8D0061257B36AE0-1EC4-46023@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com>

I have a 13 on my Spit

Bob T



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Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question


Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's
ut not 8's
ent from my iPhone
On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?

 thxx,
 Bob
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Apr 12 22:43:26 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:43:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
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Thanks for the birthday greetings!  This list is great!

mjb.

From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Apr 13 00:04:39 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:04:39 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39B298E9-E0C7-449C-8FBF-A6DD864296D6@bnj.com>

45DCOE9's are common as bellybuttons. 45 is the throat size (45 MM) DC means
dopio corpo or dual throat, O means horizontal (orizzontale) E means die cast,
and 9 is the variation number of the DCOE format. So that means if there is a
9 there's an 8, as well as 1 through 7, though how many of those survive is
hard to say. Once they got to DCOE9 the variation number never changed as far
as I know, though according to my weber book and Wikipedia there are at least
ten variations of the DCOE9 carb.

So yeah, there are eights, but they're just an earlier variant. My Maserati
Mistral has 45DCOE9's fitted in place of the troublesome Lucas fuel injection.
A common mod for Mistrals which made them slightly MORE reliable than a
rabbit's romance instead of slightly LESS.

As an aside, one really confusing thing about Webers is the emulsion tube
numbers. The reason no one is successful in getting emulsion tubes just right
is that they are not numbered according to flow rate (as  main, air
correction, and idle jets are) but by their chronological order of
manufacture. The number has NO meaning other than that.


On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>
> thxx,
> Bob
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Apr 13 00:21:43 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:21:43 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <39B298E9-E0C7-449C-8FBF-A6DD864296D6@bnj.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
	<39B298E9-E0C7-449C-8FBF-A6DD864296D6@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <FCA6B9F7-E409-481C-9167-BFC2B2FB26A9@bnj.com>

One last thing, the modern variation numbers for Weber DCOE carbs start with
15, so if you buy a new 40 mm carb from Weber it's a 40DCOE152 or 153 which
looks to be identical in almost every way except float design to a DCOE9. In
other words, no one at Weber is doing development work on carbs--surprise,
surprise.
On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:

> 45DCOE9's are common as bellybuttons. 45 is the throat size (45 MM) DC
means
> dopio corpo or dual throat, O means horizontal (orizzontale) E means die
cast,
> and 9 is the variation number of the DCOE format. So that means if there is
a
> 9 there's an 8, as well as 1 through 7, though how many of those survive is
> hard to say. Once they got to DCOE9 the variation number never changed as
far
> as I know, though according to my weber book and Wikipedia there are at
least
> ten variations of the DCOE9 carb.
>
> So yeah, there are eights, but they're just an earlier variant. My Maserati
> Mistral has 45DCOE9's fitted in place of the troublesome Lucas fuel
injection.
> A common mod for Mistrals which made them slightly MORE reliable than a
> rabbit's romance instead of slightly LESS.
>
> As an aside, one really confusing thing about Webers is the emulsion tube
> numbers. The reason no one is successful in getting emulsion tubes just
right
> is that they are not numbered according to flow rate (as  main, air
> correction, and idle jets are) but by their chronological order of
> manufacture. The number has NO meaning other than that.
>
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>>
>> thxx,
>> Bob
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From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Sat Apr 13 09:40:57 2013
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:40:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
Message-ID: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?

1147cc
Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.

Also if anyone
knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. 
I'm guessing they are
the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for 
sure.

Thanks,
Tim

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Apr 13 14:27:49 2013
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:27:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] re; wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b1gWJrOE=gHVDrDOTQPE0ovziJ5TSV0BQLkoxRpdifDMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b1gWJrOE=gHVDrDOTQPE0ovziJ5TSV0BQLkoxRpdifDMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5169BFC5.9070400@blacksburg.net>

On 4/12/2013 7:07 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
> thanks for all the replies guys. my car is a TR5 (same as 250) and when i
> wrote the message I said TR5 or TR6, forgetting about the different width
> of TR6 wings/fenders (whatever you call them)
>
> So, back to basics,,,, who can comment on TR4 or 250 wheel tyre sizes
>
> Terry
> _______________________________________________
>    
Terry, I just now dropped a plumb line from the outer lip of the fender, 
then measured from the hub surface: it measures 3 1/2 inches.  With that 
dimension you can calculate, for a given wheel offset and tire (tyre) 
width/aspect ratio, where the sidewall will be.

Now, if only I'd done this a month ago, I wouldn't be in my current 
predicament.  :-(

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 13 14:36:31 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:36:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000601ce3886$964a54f0$c2defed0$@com>

Hi,

I can't tell you anything about your number but the numbers on the old carbs
did tell about the jetting.
Sometimes the progression holes are slightly different.

Normally you can make all types of DCOE carbs work on your car.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Freitag, 12. April 2013 22:54
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Weber carb question

Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?

thxx,
Bob
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sun Apr 14 08:51:20 2013
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:51:20 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <000601ce3886$964a54f0$c2defed0$@com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com> <000601ce3886$964a54f0$c2defed0$@com>
Message-ID: <416FB2D6-1679-42AE-9B80-0F186788814E@virgin.net>

As car as I recall the DCOE08 was designated and jetted etc as an original
fitment on the mk1 lotus cortina, so I suspect most of the early 1600 twin cam
engines.

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Apr 2013, at 21:36, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can't tell you anything about your number but the numbers on the old
carbs
> did tell about the jetting.
> Sometimes the progression holes are slightly different.
>
> Normally you can make all types of DCOE carbs work on your car.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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> Auftrag von Bob Davis
> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. April 2013 22:54
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Weber carb question
>
> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>
> thxx,
> Bob
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Sun Apr 14 20:46:37 2013
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:46:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
Message-ID: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>

I haven't seen any chatter on the web about this.
There will be an MG - TR race at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix this year.
Called the British Heritage Race it will be sponsored by our friends at The
Roadster Factory.
The dates are July 19-21.
Anybody interested in learning about the pleasures and perils of racing thru
the streets of Schenley Park should talk to Jeff Snook.  Jeff, no doubt, has
more experience at the PVGP than any other FOT member.
see www.pittsburghvintagegrandprix.com.
Bruce

From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Apr 15 07:48:45 2013
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:48:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>

Tim:

I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process I
have had no issues with head gaskets.

The ARP numbers for the studs are:
	
Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
Nut - AJN 12-1
Washer - AJW 750N

They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 kit.

Robert MacKenzie



-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?

1147cc
Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.

Also if anyone
knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. 
I'm guessing they are
the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.

Thanks,
Tim
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Apr 15 08:43:29 2013
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:43:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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	<003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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I always re-torque once the engine comes up to operating temperature and is
still hot.  I got that tip from a scrap of paper that fell out of a NOS head
gasket many years ago.  It has served me well.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 6:49 AM
To: 'Tim Pettenati'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

Tim:

I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process I
have had no issues with head gaskets.

The ARP numbers for the studs are:
	
Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
Nut - AJN 12-1
Washer - AJW 750N

They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 kit.

Robert MacKenzie

From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Apr 15 09:07:20 2013
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:07:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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	<003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
Message-ID: <BEAF639C-D360-4DF7-B336-EDF3096328A5@aol.com>

Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch when
the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
important.

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero> wrote:

> Tim:
>
> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
> gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
> overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process I
> have had no issues with head gaskets.
>
> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>
> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
> Nut - AJN 12-1
> Washer - AJW 750N
>
> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
kit.
>
> Robert MacKenzie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>
> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
>
> 1147cc
> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
>
> Also if anyone
> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs.
> I'm guessing they are
> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Apr 15 09:18:01 2013
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:18:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
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	<003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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I don't recommend you tonguing or torquing them hot ;).  Stupid auto correct!

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Chuck Gee <chasgee at aol.com> wrote:

> Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
> ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch
when
> the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
> important.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero>
wrote:
>
>> Tim:
>>
>> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
>> gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
>> overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process
I
>> have had no issues with head gaskets.
>>
>> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>>
>> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
>> Nut - AJN 12-1
>> Washer - AJW 750N
>>
>> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
> kit.
>>
>> Robert MacKenzie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
>> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>>
>> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
>>
>> 1147cc
>> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
>>
>> Also if anyone
>> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs.
>> I'm guessing they are
>> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Apr 15 09:32:01 2013
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:32:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <B3D73E0B-185D-47EC-A0BD-7705242633FA@aol.com>
References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero><BEAF639C-D360-4DF7-B336-EDF3096328A5@aol.com>
	<B3D73E0B-185D-47EC-A0BD-7705242633FA@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0E93BB01C7624ED5A50FD87CA278E33E@Vista>

I haven't had any problems with this method, while I have seen a lot of
blown head gaskets on engines that have not had it done.  Admittedly, it is
more of an issue if you are not using ARP head bolts.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Gee
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 8:18 AM
To: Robert MacKenzie
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

I don't recommend you tonguing or torquing them hot ;).  Stupid auto
correct!

Chuck

From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Apr 15 11:00:17 2013
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:00:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <BEAF639C-D360-4DF7-B336-EDF3096328A5@aol.com>
References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
	<BEAF639C-D360-4DF7-B336-EDF3096328A5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601ce39fa$b74431b0$25cc9510$@aero>

Just to clarify; I do re-torque again after the engine is run and cooled.
If I recall correctly I was given the 60 lbs figure from ARP.

Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:07 AM
To: Robert MacKenzie
Cc: Tim Pettenati; <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch when
the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
important.

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero> wrote:

> Tim:
> 
> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a 
> Payen gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let 
> the head sit overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since 
> following this process I have had no issues with head gaskets.
> 
> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>    
> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
> Nut - AJN 12-1
> Washer - AJW 750N
> 
> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
kit.
> 
> Robert MacKenzie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
> 
> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
> 
> 1147cc
> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
> 
> Also if anyone
> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. 
> I'm guessing they are
> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tim
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Apr 15 11:07:10 2013
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:07:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <000601ce39fa$b74431b0$25cc9510$@aero>
References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
	<BEAF639C-D360-4DF7-B336-EDF3096328A5@aol.com>
	<000601ce39fa$b74431b0$25cc9510$@aero>
Message-ID: <4E6BD10B-91E7-442B-A275-1DB22011DA9D@aol.com>

Yes, 60 is the number if using regular oil.

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 11:00 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero> wrote:

> Just to clarify; I do re-torque again after the engine is run and cooled.
> If I recall correctly I was given the 60 lbs figure from ARP.
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:07 AM
> To: Robert MacKenzie
> Cc: Tim Pettenati; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>
> Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
> ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch
when
> the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
> important.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero>
wrote:
>
>> Tim:
>>
>> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a
>> Payen gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let
>> the head sit overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since
>> following this process I have had no issues with head gaskets.
>>
>> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>>
>> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
>> Nut - AJN 12-1
>> Washer - AJW 750N
>>
>> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
> kit.
>>
>> Robert MacKenzie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
>> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>>
>> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
>>
>> 1147cc
>> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
>>
>> Also if anyone
>> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs.
>> I'm guessing they are
>> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
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>>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Apr 16 08:04:57 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:04:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1958 Triumph TR3 head light rim...
Message-ID: <16255f.2f47e25e.3e9eb489@aol.com>

Amici...

Bob Wismer's son-in-law, Doug Allison, is the new owner of our Tornado 
Thunder Bolt, and since after 111 racing events, it has been retired from 
racing, he is in the process of a complete restoration and conversion into a fancy 
street roadster.  This includes getting all of the lights working again.  
He is in need of one (-1-) 1958 TR3 head light rim.  I am unfamiliar with 
this rim, but Doug describes it as being 'split', with a screw to hold it 
together when in place.  He has one, but needs another.  Does anyone have one 
they would be willing to part with?  

Bill Dentinger

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 16 08:20:52 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:20:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already,
 checked out  the...
In-Reply-To: <f41471e5c519c186cddbbb7ee7d44863@async.facebook.com>
References: <511379555565457-506625886040824@groups.facebook.com>
	<f41471e5c519c186cddbbb7ee7d44863@async.facebook.com>
Message-ID: <8D008C4BBCB20C8-76C-64E5A@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

If you have any history or interest in GREENWOOD, a racetrack from the 60s
near Des Moines, IA, see the links below.

At least two of our FOT are taking a leadership role in organization and a few
of us have expressed an interest in attending.

Steve Myer  (SKUNK RIVER RESTORATIONS)    and   Shawn Frank

There's amazing history here in it's short lived existence.
greenwoodrevival.com  is a website location and it appears on FACEBOOK as
well.  see below.

Yes! The track still exists...it was far enough out of town to avoid the
dreaded suburban sprawl.

Perhaps Shawn Frank can jump in and provide more detail.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Wieland <notification+oyscz2f6 at facebookmail.com>
To: Greenwood Roadway <greenwoodroadway at groups.facebook.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 8:55 am
Subject: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out the...








Eric Wieland posted in Greenwood Roadway





Eric Wieland
 8:55am Apr 16


If you have not already, checked out the Greenwood Revival Page for more
information on the 50th anniversary event on June 8th.

 https://www.facebook.com/GreenwoodRevival




Greenwood Revival
Sports Venue










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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 16 11:24:12 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] GROUP 44  KCUP 2013
Message-ID: <8D008DE5881ACEF-76C-6660E@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

Does anyone know of any G-44 cars or cars that had a relationship to Group
44?

I am aware of a couple that may be coming, but I'd like to pin it down.

I know that Bill Warner is aware of our event, but have had no direct contact
with him.

Thanks for your help....

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From REK46 at aol.com  Tue Apr 16 12:40:12 2013
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:40:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pinion sels/Spitfire 1296 and 1500
Message-ID: <16a1d1.138c0b11.3e9ef50c@aol.com>

Does anyone have Spitfire front pinion seal numbers for the small and large 
 diffs for seals made by aftremarket people like National or  
Cr,etc..?....rick(can't find my notes)

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Apr 16 16:54:09 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:54:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001ce3af5$4efec100$ecfc4300$@com>

I had to look in my notebooks to find some of the info, hence the delay.  On
my street TR5 I originally had European 185/HR15, fronts were Michelin XVS
and rears were Continental TS792.  I replaced them for 2 reasons, I didn't
know how old they were but thought probably 10 years and secondly, the spare
didn't fit in the trunk well!  Plus they just didn't look right on the car,
looked way too big due to their design (extra wide sidewall to provide curb
protection) and the size.  I replaced them with the Vredestein 175/70 HR 15,
which fit in the tire well in the trunk and they look right on the car.  The
wheels are Dunlop wires made in India under license, 5-1/2 K X 15 X 457C.  I
have no idea what the 457C is and I don't know what the offset is.  I could
pull the spare out and try and measure it but am not sure how to go about it
with the  splined hub.  Don't know if this is of any use to you, but that's
what delete keys are for:)

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6

i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
TR with near stock ride height.
.
As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre

can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
work when viewed from above.

every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
appropriate " for the TR

thanks
Terry
Australia
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From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 17 05:54:39 2013
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 04:54:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] postings
Message-ID: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

     some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!!


     John Wagner
   
 Just the wrench
     j.wags63 at yahoo.com

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr 17 10:09:23 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:09:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Message-ID: <8D0099D0F20EEEB-232C-2099@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.

Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
Cup.

He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought
he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
kknight at klaenv.com

Please add KEN to the list, Mark.

Thanks!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 11:41:11 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:41:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] postings
In-Reply-To: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <516EDEB7.1070607@bradakis.com>

John Wagner wrote:
>       some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!!
>

I'll look into it.

mjb.

From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Apr 17 11:45:50 2013
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:45:50 +0000
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Message-ID: <249597626-1366220751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-859079377-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>

Welcome Ken....  The new Mr. Fast!!
M
------Original Message------
From: Joe Alexander
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: FOT
Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM

FOT

Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.

Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
Cup.

He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought
he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
kknight at klaenv.com

Please add KEN to the list, Mark.

Thanks!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From mmoore at wave1.net  Wed Apr 17 11:55:34 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:55:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
Message-ID: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit

 

Thanks

Mike

 

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

 

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 12:11:04 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:11:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] postings
In-Reply-To: <516EDEB7.1070607@bradakis.com>
References: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<516EDEB7.1070607@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <516EE5B8.6000804@bradakis.com>

> John Wagner wrote:
>>       some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!!
>>
>

Yahoo is clueless:

Apr 17 12:00:42 autox postfix/qmgr[1917]: 561C142EF0: 
to=<xxxx at yahoo.com>, relay=none, delay=267409, delays=267409/0.16/0/0, 
dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: host 
mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[74.6.136.244] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 
[TS01] Messages from 166.70.156.34 temporarily deferred due to user 
complaints - 4.16.55.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html)


You should get this message, I'm trying a temporary workaround.

mjb.

From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Apr 17 12:29:23 2013
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:29:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4.1366221603.10205.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.4.1366221603.10205.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF040921AD.8EF51C2F-ON85257B50.006540E2-85257B50.006595F6@us.ibm.com>

Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting
price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi
d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true

Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island


mike h

G. Michael Harmuth

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 13:13:37 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:13:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stupid Yahoo
Message-ID: <516EF461.6040307@bradakis.com>

Okay, I think all those folks with a yahoo.com or btinternet address have
been set up so they will get FOT mail.  I'll keep a close eye on things and
make further adjustments as necessary.

mjb.

From gp89 at charter.net  Wed Apr 17 14:59:45 2013
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:59:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
Message-ID: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>

Hmmm, wife says nooooo

Jeff Senty


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote:

> Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, 
> starting
> price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.
>
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi
> d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true
>
> Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island
>
>
> mike h
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From riverside at southslope.net  Wed Apr 17 15:46:43 2013
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:46:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already,
 checked out  the...
In-Reply-To: <8D008C4BBCB20C8-76C-64E5A@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
References: <511379555565457-506625886040824@groups.facebook.com><f41471e5c519c186cddbbb7ee7d44863@async.facebook.com>
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Message-ID: <8318C5BAC8214B86A3F985C477A81584@rileyPC>

I attended my first ever road race there in 1964 at age 16.  That USRRC
race with Cobras and Chapparals was electrifying to me and helped me
acquire the determination to become a road racer.   My next race there,
Greenwood's final race, introduced me to Triumph race cars.

One of my friends who was with me back in '64 is helping me and a chap
in England digitize the track so it can be driven on Grand Prix legends.
This work included a couple slow laps and the track was very special
in the areas of elevation change and corner variety. It would be a
great restoration project!

Wish us luck.   If the results are worth the effort, we may try to do
MAR at Wentzville and Meadowdale.

art de armond

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe Alexander
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:20 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out 
the...

FOT:

If you have any history or interest in GREENWOOD, a racetrack from the 60s
near Des Moines, IA, see the links below.

At least two of our FOT are taking a leadership role in organization and a 
few
of us have expressed an interest in attending.

Steve Myer  (SKUNK RIVER RESTORATIONS)    and   Shawn Frank

There's amazing history here in it's short lived existence.
greenwoodrevival.com  is a website location and it appears on FACEBOOK as
well.  see below.

Yes! The track still exists...it was far enough out of town to avoid the
dreaded suburban sprawl.

Perhaps Shawn Frank can jump in and provide more detail.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com



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From gaf3 at charter.net  Wed Apr 17 16:35:30 2013
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:35:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
In-Reply-To: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>
References: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>
Message-ID: <516F23B2.8020105@charter.net>

Nicely done
I have the same flares on my race car.
Any organizations accept those for vintage or do I have to convert back 
to steel?
Can I do Steel Flares?
Glenn

On 4/17/2013 4:59 PM, Jeff Senty wrote:
> Hmmm, wife says nooooo
>
> Jeff Senty
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote:
>
>> Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting
>> price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi 
>>
>> d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true
>>
>> Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island
>>
>>
>> mike h
>>
>> G. Michael Harmuth
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 17 17:17:47 2013
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:17:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Message-ID: <13826628.1366240667496.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

He's super quick and his immaculate TR4 doesn't leak.

~Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: gasket.works at gte.net
>Sent: Apr 17, 2013 10:45 AM
>To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>Subject: Re: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>
>Welcome Ken....  The new Mr. Fast!!
>M
>------Original Message------
>From: Joe Alexander
>Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>To: FOT
>Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM
>
>FOT
>
>Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.
>
>Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
>Cup.
>
>He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought
>he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
>kknight at klaenv.com
>
>Please add KEN to the list, Mark.
>
>Thanks!
>
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>A. R. E.
>645 1st Street
>Jesup, Iowa 50648
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Apr 17 19:23:04 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:23:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
In-Reply-To: <13826628.1366240667496.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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No comment on fast, but my 3 doesn't leak either.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:17 PM, steve <colordog.1 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> He's super quick and his immaculate TR4 doesn't leak.
>
> ~Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gasket.works at gte.net
>> Sent: Apr 17, 2013 10:45 AM
>> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>>
>> Welcome Ken....  The new Mr. Fast!!
>> M
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Joe Alexander
>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>> To: FOT
>> Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>> Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>> Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM
>>
>> FOT
>>
>> Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.
>>
>> Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
>> Cup.
>>
>> He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I
thought
>> he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
>> kknight at klaenv.com
>>
>> Please add KEN to the list, Mark.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>> A. R. E.
>> 645 1st Street
>> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>> 319.464.4711  (cell)
>> n197tr4 at cs.com
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 17 20:35:04 2013
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:35:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails for
 several days.
Message-ID: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

You guys didn't kick me off did you?  
 
Mike Mehl #46 TR4

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 20:38:37 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails
 for several days.
In-Reply-To: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <516F5CAD.6070503@bradakis.com>

Mike Mehl wrote:
> You guys didn't kick me off did you?
>   
>

Yahoo did.  Don't blame me.

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 20:50:05 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails
 for several days.
In-Reply-To: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2013-04/msg00135.html

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2013-04/msg00137.html


mjb.

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 06:09:13 2013
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:09:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
In-Reply-To: <516F23B2.8020105@charter.net>
References: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>
	<516F23B2.8020105@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9Np8LXJi_0MCBaCft3W0NjpWyOFrVWz7yr0UFO3fqBK7g@mail.gmail.com>

nice looking car, too bad it is across the water...it might sell
quicker....looks like someone spent some time on it...it's in "Bill B. "
backyard over there !


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:

> Nicely done
> I have the same flares on my race car.
> Any organizations accept those for vintage or do I have to convert back to
> steel?
> Can I do Steel Flares?
> Glenn
>
>
> On 4/17/2013 4:59 PM, Jeff Senty wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, wife says nooooo
>>
>> Jeff Senty
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote:
>>
>>  Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting
>>> price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/**ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-**
>>> Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi>
>>> d=p3984.m1423.l2649&**ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&**forcev4exp=true
>>>
>>> Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island
>>>
>>>
>>> mike h
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Apr 18 07:20:34 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:20:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>

The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly 
less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only 
3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank, 
Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights, 
and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the 
case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that 
the car still pulled well in OD.

That's an expensive 3 seconds...

I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy 
with marketing the car.

BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I 
will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


> Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new 
> race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.
>
> Details at www.tr4racer.com 

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 18 07:40:09 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:40:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>

Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!! 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
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Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:21 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car

The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly
less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only
3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank,
Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights,
and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the
case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that
the car still pulled well in OD.

That's an expensive 3 seconds...

I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy
with marketing the car.

BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I
will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


> Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new 
> race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.
>
> Details at www.tr4racer.com 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Apr 18 08:29:26 2013
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:29:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
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Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took 
just enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.

Tony Drews

At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
>
>
>John H. Hasty
>Attorney At Law
>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>719 East Boulevard
>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>Tele: (704) 372-5600
>Fax: (704) 372-4601
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>www.gdhs.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:21 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly
>less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only
>3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank,
>Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights,
>and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the
>case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that
>the car still pulled well in OD.
>
>That's an expensive 3 seconds...
>
>I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy
>with marketing the car.
>
>BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I
>will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto!
>
>Henry
>yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
>Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
> > Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new
> > race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.
> >
> > Details at www.tr4racer.com

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Apr 18 08:42:32 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:42:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
Message-ID: <B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>

No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have 
thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!

Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is stopping 
him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a 
repeat at Summit Point next month!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just 
> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 12:11:23 2013
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:11:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
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	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>

Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying to
figure out how to get to 170hp :)

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have
> thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>
> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is stopping
> him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a
> repeat at Summit Point next month!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just
>> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Apr 18 12:31:20 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:31:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
	<B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>

Moldex, Carillo's, Gillaners #24 cam, custom pop up pistons, Abacus head and 
some dyno time got me 145 at the rear wheels. I extrapolated the 170...

 ;-)

Like I said, that was a lot of cash for 3 seconds!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying 
to figure out how to get to 170hp :) 

From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 13:31:51 2013
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:31:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
	<B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <005a01ce3c6b$60c00fd0$22402f70$@rr.com>

Well, what's worse is the rumor Henry is getting a Citroen 2CV prepped as
his next racer. Well we all know how accurate rumors are. Probably started
by a jealous MG jockey!  ;-)
russ

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Kramer
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:11 PM
To: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car

Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying
to figure out how to get to 170hp :)

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could 
> have thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>
> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is 
> stopping him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, 
> hoping for a repeat at Summit Point next month!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took 
>> just enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 13:49:37 2013
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:49:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <005a01ce3c6b$60c00fd0$22402f70$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20130418194937.47XR6.55507.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>

---- Spitfire Racing <Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: 
> Well, what's worse is the rumor Henry is getting a Citroen 2CV prepped as
> his next racer. 

170hp in a 2CV.  As Jeff Foxworthy said, "That's a bad mental image, right there."

Randall

From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Apr 18 15:50:03 2013
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:50:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local><F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local><02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local><20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com><B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local><B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
	<DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local><F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local><02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local><20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com><B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local><B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
	<DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds28EF22D7B2ADC6784A5E7C3CF0@phx.gbl>

The last increments of performance are always the most costly.

It was ever thus.

Terry Stetler

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 16:01:19 2013
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
	<B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5A77FBC2-6821-4E9D-820F-2F59BD3C1F5D@austin.rr.com>

......when we are not wondering just what yellow demon Henry is concocting in
his man cave.

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying
to
> figure out how to get to 170hp :)
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:
>
>> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have
>> thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>>
>> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is
stopping
>> him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a
>> repeat at Summit Point next month!
>>
>> Henry
>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>>
>>
>>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just
>>> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>>
>>> Tony Drews
>>>
>>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Fri Apr 19 08:23:27 2013
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:23:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 Weber DCOE manifold
Message-ID: <20130419142328.S53BR.130748.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

Searching for a Weber 45 dcoe manifold for the big 4 cyl TR to buy. Just the manifold. Any leads are much appreciated.

Thxx,
Bbob

From list at mackenzie.aero  Fri Apr 19 08:40:46 2013
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches?
Message-ID: <000901ce3d0b$e2396570$a6ac3050$@aero>

Does anybody have any experience with Specifically the 7.25 inch V-drive.
This will be for an 1147 Spitfire.

Robert MacKenzie
Austin Texas

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 19 11:56:16 2013
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:56:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails
 for several days.
Message-ID: <fr2ghj5cl7v7eftq6tis7kku.1366394176356@email.android.com>

All of a sudden, I am receiving a number of emails from the last 4-5 days. Thought I'd been dropped the list as well. Burped up a whole bunch.

Cheers,

Doug
--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

>Mike Mehl wrote:
>> You guys didn't kick me off did you?
>>   
>>
>
>Yahoo did.  Don't blame me.
>
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr 19 06:42:39 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:42:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local><F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local><02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local><20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com><B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local><B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
	<DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>
	<BAY164-ds28EF22D7B2ADC6784A5E7C3CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B928CB507F664011A366FC0D98D7E072@TRIUMPH.local>

Truer words were never spoken... Does make me wonder how I got here,
though...

Wait, oh, yeah... I remember now!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Terry Stetler
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


  The last increments of performance are always the most costly.

  It was ever thus.

  Terry Stetler

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 19 16:06:56 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:06:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] WG:  My new tow car....
Message-ID: <000b01ce3d4a$3730c3a0$a5924ae0$@com>

Well..some tuning did make it better:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRODEzC5GmY
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRODEzC5GmY&feature=youtu.be>
&feature=youtu.be



Cheers

Chris (Maybe I should develop GM cars?)

From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Fri Apr 19 17:17:31 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:17:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
In-Reply-To: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <1366413451.74004.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

In checking tire temps in order to determine best pressure, it looks like the
middle temp can be a bit deceiving.  After tires were up to temp, I lowered
the 
pressure 4 degrees and the center to the outsides changed very little. 
This is 
autocrossing.  Would it be because the car (TR6) is light?  Jim

From bluebit at comcast.net  Fri Apr 19 18:25:34 2013
From: bluebit at comcast.net (Jim%20Roelofs)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:25:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>
Message-ID: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?


Jim Roelofs
303-862-7270 (h)
720-321-1165 (w)
bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit

B 

Thanks

Mike

B 

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

B 

Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Apr 19 18:40:49 2013
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:40:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>,
	<1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7681boov9enxwdqr4bavonjy.1366418438800@email.android.com>

That was the same price listed here in Appleton, but there was a $2 per quart
credit at the register.

Scott B.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
sbarr at mccarty-law.com<mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com>


Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:

That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?


Jim Roelofs
303-862-7270 (h)
720-321-1165 (w)
bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit

B

Thanks

Mike

B

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

B

Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103

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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 19:33:36 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com>

Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only $3
per quart.  Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for
along time.  The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see what
the current net price was, but there was no discount.

Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>
> B
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 19 20:04:39 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 22:04:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>

Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you want
the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:

> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>
>
> Jim Roelofs
> 303-862-7270 (h)
> 720-321-1165 (w)
> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>
> B
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> B
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> B
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Fri Apr 19 20:49:51 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 22:49:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530>

Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their "Non-street 
legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives.
I  bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt.
In the 70's  Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil. 
Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline.
With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool. 
ZDDPlus makes it really slippery.
NFI.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you 
> want
> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>
>>
>> Jim Roelofs
>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>
>> B
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> B
>>
>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>
>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>
>> Erie, PA 16508
>>
>> B
>>
>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>
>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 19 21:58:53 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 23:58:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530>
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	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530>
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Ah..... Obviously a democrat, give them someone else's stuff and you have
their vote forever..... Oops, sorry, I couldn't help it........ I
apologize.... The devil made me do it!

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:49 PM, "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
wrote:

> Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their "Non-street
legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives.
> I  bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt.
> In the 70's  Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil.
Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline.
> With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool.
ZDDPlus makes it really slippery.
> NFI.
> Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>
> Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
>
>> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you
want
>> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Roelofs
>>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>>
>>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>>
>>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>>
>>> Erie, PA 16508
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>>
>>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Sat Apr 20 04:23:03 2013
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:23:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>

Why would someone risk their engine for the sake of a few dollars cheaper
oil? Let's put this in perspective. The cost of a reasonable running
"vintage" engine these days runs between $5k and $10k, some even more. Maybe
you can save $12 on each oil change but that is nothing compared to the
expense of a refresh or rebuild of an engine. I am not a petro-chemical
engineer but have read reports by some who are. The impressions I got is
that by far the safest and easiest way to insure proper amounts of
lubrication additives was to go with an oil like Brad Penn.
Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinions but if the saving of a
few dollars is a primary parameter in your choice of oil, do look at the big
picture. Vintage racing is expensive these days and will continue to be.
Auger into your considerations also the cost of entry and transportation
fees for a weekend where you become a spectator due to an engine failure.
These are significant sums for many of us. To coin a clichi; "Choose
wisely!"

I even use B.P. in the street cars in my collection with flat tappet
engines.

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Hasty
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:05 PM
To: Jim%20Roelofs
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you want
the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:

> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>
>
> Jim Roelofs
> 303-862-7270 (h)
> 720-321-1165 (w)
> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>
> B
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> B
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> B
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>
> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Apr 20 05:33:14 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:33:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hawaii...And Triumph Race Car.
In-Reply-To: <8D00B974909DF27-16C0-1452F@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CFE382118DD0ED-16CC-A1DA3@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>
	<8D00B974909DF27-16C0-1452F@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8D00BD1FA977473-8B0-18E2C@webmail-d205.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

Robert asked me to post this.....(Robert is the guy that had TR2   TS1 LO
with us at Watkins Glen. He has since sold TS1 LO and appears to selling off
the rest of his car collection)  Oddly, I was minutes away from the Spitfire,
but never saw it.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------

 Aloha, Joe!



Would you mind, as a favor, simply posting on FoT for the members to take a
look at eBay

Item number:

200915790424


Thank you, Joe. The car has a bid at $4000 and I will likely keep it on eBay
and sell on Sunday, but the trailer, spare Panasports and new sticky tires,
spare parts, and manuals/provenance make the car a real bargain at $4000.

Thanks so much, and come back and see us! Robert P. Smith

From mmoore at wave1.net  Sat Apr 20 05:35:20 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:35:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>
	<1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002101ce3dbb$244407e0$6ccc17a0$@net>

Yes I got it for 3.99 qt



Thanks

Mike



Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508



Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383



From: Jim%20Roelofs [mailto:bluebit at comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:26 PM
To: Mike Moore
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil



That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?

Jim Roelofs
303-862-7270 (h)
720-321-1165 (w)
bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)



  _____

From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit



Thanks

Mike



Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508



Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 05:40:14 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:40:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>

It's not always all about price.
Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual 
stuff, why not?
I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had 
sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
Cheers, Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com>
To: "'John Hasty'" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>; "'Jim%20Roelofs'" 
<bluebit at comcast.net>
Cc: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Why would someone risk their engine for the sake of a few dollars cheaper
> oil? Let's put this in perspective. The cost of a reasonable running
> "vintage" engine these days runs between $5k and $10k, some even more. 
> Maybe
> you can save $12 on each oil change but that is nothing compared to the
> expense of a refresh or rebuild of an engine. I am not a petro-chemical
> engineer but have read reports by some who are. The impressions I got is
> that by far the safest and easiest way to insure proper amounts of
> lubrication additives was to go with an oil like Brad Penn.
> Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinions but if the saving of 
> a
> few dollars is a primary parameter in your choice of oil, do look at the 
> big
> picture. Vintage racing is expensive these days and will continue to be.
> Auger into your considerations also the cost of entry and transportation
> fees for a weekend where you become a spectator due to an engine failure.
> These are significant sums for many of us. To coin a clichi; "Choose
> wisely!"
>
> I even use B.P. in the street cars in my collection with flat tappet
> engines.
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of John Hasty
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:05 PM
> To: Jim%20Roelofs
> Cc: FOT
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you 
> want
> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>
>>
>> Jim Roelofs
>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>
>> B
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> B
>>
>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>
>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>
>> Erie, PA 16508
>>
>> B
>>
>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>
>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 05:42:00 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:42:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530>
	<3BBAB028-8158-4E76-85F3-C823B5165E13@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <7C751B79D0B847D69322FE60A97BDB08@hpd530>

List: my reply went straight to John.
End of discussion.
Peace,
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
Cc: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Ah..... Obviously a democrat, give them someone else's stuff and you have 
> their vote forever..... Oops, sorry, I couldn't help it........ I 
> apologize.... The devil made me do it!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:49 PM, "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their 
>> "Non-street legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives.
>> I  bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt.
>> In the 70's  Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil. 
>> Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline.
>> With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool. 
>> ZDDPlus makes it really slippery.
>> NFI.
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
>> To: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>
>> Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>>
>>> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you 
>>> want
>>> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim Roelofs
>>>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>>>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>>>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>>>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>>>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>>>
>>>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>>>
>>>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>>>
>>>> Erie, PA 16508
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>>>
>>>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>>
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From mmoore at wave1.net  Sat Apr 20 05:37:43 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:37:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01ce3dbb$795d4f20$6c17ed60$@net>

In Erie, the $2 off was on all weights (not synthetic), so marked price was
$5.99 and I got them for $3.99

Thanks
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
2007 West 32nd Street
Erie, PA 16508

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
Fax:        814-864-7383

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:34 PM
To: Jim%20Roelofs
Cc: Mike Moore; FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only $3
per quart.  Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for
along time.  The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see what
the current net price was, but there was no discount.

Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
> 
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
> 
> B 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sat Apr 20 07:38:20 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:38:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
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http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/vr1_racing.pdf

VR-1 carries an API rating of "SN". This is the most current standard.

A couple years back when the whole flat tappet cam failure issue was in full 
swing, somebody explained it to me this way...

The problem was caused when our government made mandates involving additives 
to motor oil. They didn't want stuff in the oil of our daily drivers that 
tended to plug up catalitic converters and perhaps gum up sensors. It's all 
about emmissions and mileage, the idea of protecting an engine as best we 
can is no longer the top priority. So the API ratings for motor oil were 
amended to limit how much good stuff goes into the additive packages. .

Real racing oil has no API rating, it can't qualify for one. The additive 
packages we want are outside the limits set by the API.

It's your engine, run whatever you like, but rest assured the VR-1 you buy 
today is a distant relative of the VR-1 you ran when the bottle had an API 
rating of "SJ".

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 07:45:35 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:45:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
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Just to refresh my memory I had a look at some of the archived discussions on
bobistheoilguy.com.  It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the
fact that it's not all about maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the
upper safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything
above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils
have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300.  Depending on what research one
sees, an adequate level ought to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point
out that oil viscosity has something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those
who are flying non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped
out lobes are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic
mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted
to confirm that).

Duncan (using Rotella 15W40)
Texas
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:

> It's not always all about price.
> Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
stuff, why not?
> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
> That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
> Cheers, Bill

From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 09:43:17 2013
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:43:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Racing Oil??
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNB1zYgu37j-_yg2PdPwvtgreO=OZ-kJK=M8x_CmM4JmTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Saw the info on the $2 off, went to autozone.  Bought 50W VR-1 Racing oil
for the discount.  I presume this is different than just VR-1 in its flat
tappet protecting properties?

From tpettenati at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 20 09:59:50 2013
From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:59:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
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I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all new
tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently doesn't work
very well on a flat tappet race motor.  

I'm looking at a couple of quarts of
VR-1.  The 10W-30 is SM rated.  The newer 
20W-50 has no API circle but says "
Exceeds SG/CD".  An older quart of 20W-50 
has an API SM circle.  Seems to go
along with the stories that Valvoline had 
recently bumped up the additive
package.

None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be
avoided at 
all costs.

Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil. 
Being overly cautious after 
all the horror stories about flat tappet damage,
I just pulled the head after 
about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is
well and is breaking in nicely.
Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were
hardness checked.  Work was done 
by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting
his shop in Santa Rosa, and it was an 
educational experience.

Cheers,
Tim
----- Original Message ----
From: Duncan Charlton
<duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: FOT of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, April
20, 2013 8:14:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Just to refresh my memory I
had a look at some of the archived discussions on
bobistheoilguy.com.  It may
not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the
fact that it's not all about
maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the
upper safe limit due to
corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything
above 1500ppm after
break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
1750ppm, VR1 conventional
has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils
have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40
has about 1300.  Depending on what research one
sees, an adequate level ought
to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point
out that oil viscosity has
something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those
who are flying non-certified
engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped
out lobes are usually traced
back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic
mentioned that certified
engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted
to confirm that).

Duncan
(using Rotella 15W40)
Texas
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

On Apr 20, 2013, at
6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:

> It's not always all about price.
> Maybe you
like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
stuff, why not?
> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
> That's why there
are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
> Cheers, Bill
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Apr 20 10:32:48 2013
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:32:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <FA52381B43CA419DA033707E3BEEF9EC@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <F0.F0.11869.623C2715@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> VR-1 carries an API rating of "SN". This is the most current standard.

However, "SN" only limits phosphorous content for low viscosity oils, like
10W30 and down.  If you read the spec carefully, you'll find that VR1 only
carries "SN" in 20W50, which is exempt from the phosphorous (and hence ZDDP)
restriction.

-- Randall 

From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 11:46:24 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:46:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
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Mike, I was at 38th and Peach and got some VR1 and also picked up some 
30weight regular Valvoline for $2 a qt. Great for some of my old tractors.
Stay warm, Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "'Duncan Charlton'" <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>; "'Jim%20Roelofs'" 
<bluebit at comcast.net>
Cc: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> In Erie, the $2 off was on all weights (not synthetic), so marked price 
> was
> $5.99 and I got them for $3.99
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 2007 West 32nd Street
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
> Fax:        814-864-7383
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: Jim%20Roelofs
> Cc: Mike Moore; FOT
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only 
> $3
> per quart.  Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for
> along time.  The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see 
> what
> the current net price was, but there was no discount.
>
> Duncan
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>
>> B
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 11:49:06 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:49:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
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Hi, I didn't realize Rotelle T was that high.
I use it in my Diesel tractors and my old pickup. Also my old Oliver 1650.
Good stuff.
Thanks for the info.
Bill
P.S. The new Hemi uses 5w-20.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan Charlton" <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: "FOT of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Just to refresh my memory I had a look at some of the archived discussions 
> on
> bobistheoilguy.com.  It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of 
> the
> fact that it's not all about maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be 
> the
> upper safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that 
> anything
> above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
> 1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race 
> oils
> have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300.  Depending on what research 
> one
> sees, an adequate level ought to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics 
> point
> out that oil viscosity has something to do with cam lobe wear, too --  
> those
> who are flying non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and 
> wiped
> out lobes are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one 
> mechanic
> mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't 
> attempted
> to confirm that).
>
> Duncan (using Rotella 15W40)
> Texas
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:
>
>> It's not always all about price.
>> Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
> stuff, why not?
>> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
> sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
>> That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
>> Cheers, Bill
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 22:35:07 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 23:35:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
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A friend poured a whole quart of what he called "straight ZDDP" into his
Morgan's freshly rebuilt TR engine.  Seems it wasn't a good idea.  He said,
"It coated everything in a golden syrup, bunged up the valves, coated the
pistons, crank, the works."

Duncan

On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote:

> I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all new
> tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently doesn't
work
> very well on a flat tappet race motor.
>
> I'm looking at a couple of quarts of
> VR-1.  The 10W-30 is SM rated.  The newer
> 20W-50 has no API circle but says "
> Exceeds SG/CD".  An older quart of 20W-50
> has an API SM circle.  Seems to go
> along with the stories that Valvoline had
> recently bumped up the additive
> package.
>
> None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be
> avoided at
> all costs.
>
> Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil.
> Being overly cautious after
> all the horror stories about flat tappet damage,
> I just pulled the head after
> about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is
> well and is breaking in nicely.
> Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were
> hardness checked.  Work was done
> by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting
> his shop in Santa Rosa, and it was an
> educational experience.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Duncan Charlton
> <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: FOT of <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, April
> 20, 2013 8:14:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Just to refresh my memory I
> had a look at some of the archived discussions on
> bobistheoilguy.com.  It may
> not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the
> fact that it's not all about
> maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the
> upper safe limit due to
> corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything
> above 1500ppm after
> break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
> 1750ppm, VR1 conventional
> has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils
> have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40
> has about 1300.  Depending on what research one
> sees, an adequate level ought
> to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point
> out that oil viscosity has
> something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those
> who are flying non-certified
> engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped
> out lobes are usually traced
> back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic
> mentioned that certified
> engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted
> to confirm that).
>
> Duncan
> (using Rotella 15W40)
> Texas
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at
> 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:
>
>> It's not always all about price.
>> Maybe you
> like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
> stuff, why not?
>> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
> sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
>> That's why there
> are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
>> Cheers, Bill
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Sun Apr 21 03:39:17 2013
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:39:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
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Amateur chemists often have similar results. 
One can only lead a horse to water; can't force him to drink it. Even if it
is for his own good. I repeat, "Choose wisely!"

Russ

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Duncan Charlton
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 12:35 AM
To: FOT of
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

A friend poured a whole quart of what he called "straight ZDDP" into his
Morgan's freshly rebuilt TR engine.  Seems it wasn't a good idea.  He said,
"It coated everything in a golden syrup, bunged up the valves, coated the
pistons, crank, the works."

Duncan

On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote:

> I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all 
> new tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently 
> doesn't
work
> very well on a flat tappet race motor.
>
> I'm looking at a couple of quarts of
> VR-1.  The 10W-30 is SM rated.  The newer
> 20W-50 has no API circle but says "
> Exceeds SG/CD".  An older quart of 20W-50 has an API SM circle.  Seems 
> to go along with the stories that Valvoline had recently bumped up the 
> additive package.
>
> None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be 
> avoided at all costs.
>
> Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil.
> Being overly cautious after
> all the horror stories about flat tappet damage, I just pulled the 
> head after about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is well and is 
> breaking in nicely.
> Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were hardness checked.  Work 
> was done by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting his shop in Santa 
> Rosa, and it was an educational experience.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Duncan Charlton
> <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: FOT of <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, April
> 20, 2013 8:14:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Just to refresh my memory I
> had a look at some of the archived discussions on bobistheoilguy.com.  
> It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that it's 
> not all about maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the upper 
> safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that 
> anything above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing 
> oils have 1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, 
> Redline race oils have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300.  
> Depending on what research one sees, an adequate level ought to be 
> 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point out that oil viscosity has 
> something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those who are flying 
> non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped out lobes 
> are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic 
> mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't 
> attempted to confirm that).
>
> Duncan
> (using Rotella 15W40)
> Texas
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at
> 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:
>
>> It's not always all about price.
>> Maybe you
> like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual stuff, 
> why not?
>> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have 
>> had
> sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
>> That's why there
> are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
>> Cheers, Bill
> _______________________________________________
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Apr 21 20:16:29 2013
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:16:29 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
Message-ID: <20130421.221629.2525.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

Big bore (89mm), big valves, big cam and Weber Carbs got me 188 hp at the
flywheel.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
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To: "<yellow04 at tr4racer.com>" <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Cc: "<fot at autox.team.net>" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:11:23 -0500

Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying to
figure out how to get to 170hp :)

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have
> thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>
> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is
stopping
> him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a
> repeat at Summit Point next month!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just
>> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 22 06:31:45 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hauling from CA to TX or vice versa
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Anybody got trailer space from the Bay area in CA to somewhere in Texas in the
next two weeks?  I need to transport a Morgan.

If the answer is no, does anyone need a car hauled from central Texas to CA in
case I drive to the San Francisco area to pick up the Morgan?

From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Mon Apr 22 11:31:55 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:31:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304220827390.11235@isis.mit.edu>
References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
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Thanks Bob.  I am running new Toyo Proxes RR.  I don't look for significant
temps until at least 3 or 4 autocross runs on a hot day.  So far I haven't
really had the hot days and maybe these tires are a little stiffer.  Last year
I 
ran a nearly new set of Hoosier R6 and seemed to be able to read the center
pressures to determine ultimate pressure.  I ended up with 32 front and 28
rear.  Jim



________________________________
From: Robert M. Lang
<lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Sent: Mon,
April 22, 2013 5:33:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire temp question

Hi,

You can
only get "good" tire temps on a skid pad. If you try to get temps just 
coming
off an autocross course, you won't get accurate results. About the only 
tire
pressure adjustment you can make from autocross is the base pressure that 
you
need to keep the tire from rolling over.

What I've done is to run the skidpad
and set the base pressure. Then up it a 
little and measure for even temps.
Note: the outside wheels do the most work so 
focus on those. Then switch
directions and get the other side.

>From there, when you run autocrosses, use
the tire pressure to balance the car.

Also, ask around. I get good info from
other folks and then build on that.

What tires are you running?

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Mon Apr 22 11:47:01 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:47:01 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
In-Reply-To: <1366651915.51506.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
	<1366413451.74004.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304220827390.11235@isis.mit.edu>
	<1366651915.51506.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D02E7481-7F45-415B-9298-DF96A2088944@bnj.com>

Tire temperatures that you get from a hot day or autocross runs are useless
for setting up suspension or determiniming appropriate tire pressure. Even
tire temps on a track are relatively inaccurate unless you take a series of
tight turns at good speed and stop immediately to read them without an
intervening straight.


On Apr 22, 2013, at 7:31 AM, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> Thanks Bob.  I am running new Toyo Proxes RR.  I don't look for significant
> temps until at least 3 or 4 autocross runs on a hot day.  So far I haven't
> really had the hot days and maybe these tires are a little stiffer.  Last
year
> I
> ran a nearly new set of Hoosier R6 and seemed to be able to read the center
> pressures to determine ultimate pressure.  I ended up with 32 front and 28
> rear.  Jim
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert M. Lang
> <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
> Sent: Mon,
> April 22, 2013 5:33:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire temp question
>
> Hi,
>
> You can
> only get "good" tire temps on a skid pad. If you try to get temps just
> coming
> off an autocross course, you won't get accurate results. About the only
> tire
> pressure adjustment you can make from autocross is the base pressure that
> you
> need to keep the tire from rolling over.
>
> What I've done is to run the skidpad
> and set the base pressure. Then up it a
> little and measure for even temps.
> Note: the outside wheels do the most work so
> focus on those. Then switch
> directions and get the other side.
>
> From there, when you run autocrosses, use
> the tire pressure to balance the car.
>
> Also, ask around. I get good info from
> other folks and then build on that.
>
> What tires are you running?
>
> regards,
> rml
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Mon Apr 22 23:00:13 2013
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:00:13 +1000
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Listers, 

 

Are any of you running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
tires? Finding that you are having to run them with less pressure than other
tires used to get your times up?

 

We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the TOYO's, That is
what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP DZ03's etc., they
get VERY 'skatey'

 

 

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

TR-4

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 23 00:23:28 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:23:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
In-Reply-To: <D02E7481-7F45-415B-9298-DF96A2088944@bnj.com>
References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
	<1366413451.74004.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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I take tire temperatures but these values are pretty useless. I never got
any close to the recommended temperature. I set pressure to the best stick
over the distance.

Chris

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 23 10:25:05 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:25:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP NEWS
Message-ID: <8D00E563FAC1908-1D0C-2582@webmail-m242.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

Thanks to Steve Belfer, Joe Pawlak, Blake Discher we now have the latest in a
series of Kastner Cup Posters in hand. They will be free to FOT and VTR in
attendance at ROAD AMERICA.

We are very close to wrapping up the TRIUMPH PACKAGE WEEKEND DEAL. This will
impact all FOT that are attendees and not entering as Driver's. The 'package
deal' will extend to Triumph Club Members, as well. Track Touring, Old Course
Reenactment, Friday's Welcome Dinner and Triumph Car Show will be included in
the PACKAGE.

Jason's Paddock Planning is going very well, and the garages are filling up
quickly. Thursday afternoon and evening will be very special as Dave Young
will be sending Tech Inspectors to our garages and we should be able to hang
together tightly and get acquainted or re-acquainted. There will be the option
of ordering in BROASTED CHICKEN and PIZZA from a local restaurant.

VSCDA'S Mike and Deb Korneli have developed the ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL
weekend into a Premier Event over the past 8 years. It has all of the features
of Watkins Glen, but without the crush of a big 'festival event'. Everything
is close in and convenient, and the weather is usually the best with just a
touch of autumn color in the trees.

Regards,

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Tue Apr 23 10:39:36 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures are
you 
running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
________________________________
From: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
10:03:51 PM
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Listers, 



Are any of you
running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
tires? Finding that
you are having to run them with less pressure than other
tires used to get
your times up?



We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
TOYO's, That is
what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
DZ03's etc., they
get VERY 'skatey'







Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

TR-4
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From apackard68 at att.net  Tue Apr 23 11:14:42 2013
From: apackard68 at att.net (Andy Packard)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:14:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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Message-ID: <A1FE1DE3-4DC5-435A-95F6-0949B269E69E@att.net>

FWIW,
I autocross my TR250 with these tires and found maintaining 37-38 psi was
best. Lower and they get very mushy, higher they're over inflated and reduce
contact. Not sure if this is helpful for your application.

Andy Packard
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:39 AM, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures
are
> you
> running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
> ________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
> <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
> tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> tires used to get
> your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Apr 23 11:35:10 2013
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:35:10 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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Message-ID: <178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com>

Hi both,

I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures
are
> you
> running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
> ________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
> <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
> tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> tires used to get
> your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Tue Apr 23 13:11:29 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com>
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So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
________________________________
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To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Hi both,
I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have 
a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension 
setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car
to handle like 
a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension
settings and my style of 
driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my
iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures are
> you 
> running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
>
________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
>
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22,
2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
> 
> Listers, 
> 
> 
> 
>
Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
>
tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> tires used to get
> your times up?
> 
> 
> 
> We are finding that if you run
'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the
YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Peter Vucinic
> 
> TR-4
>
_______________________________________________
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Apr 23 14:35:50 2013
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:35:50 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <1366744289.58937.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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I run 22 front, 24 rear.

Keith

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On 23 Apr 2013, at 21:11, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
>
> From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
> To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
> Cc: Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net"
<fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Hi both,
>
> I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....
>
> Happy to provide my pressure settings though.
>
> Keith
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
>
> > Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures
are
> > you
> > running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
> > ________________________________
> > From: Peter Vucinic
> > <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
> > 10:03:51 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
> >
> > Listers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Are any of you
> > running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
> > tires? Finding that
> > you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> > tires used to get
> > your times up?
> >
> >
> >
> > We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
> > TOYO's, That is
> > what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> > DZ03's etc., they
> > get VERY 'skatey'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > Peter Vucinic
> >
> > TR-4
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 23 14:46:36 2013
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:46:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <1366744289.58937.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD504@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

I run the Toyo Proxes on my GT6 race car. Size 205/60-13. Typically run 22#
front (cold) and 20-21# rear.

Edward Dunn

West Coast Vintage Racing
2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101
Encinitas CA 92024

760-492-3814
www.vintageracing.us



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of sherry robyn
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Keith Files
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
________________________________
From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Hi both,
I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my
iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What
> pressures are you running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
>
________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
>
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22,
2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
>
Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
>
tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other tires used to
> get your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run
'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the
YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Apr 23 15:05:42 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:05:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Yahoo, etc.
Message-ID: <5176F7A6.6000004@bradakis.com>

I  think the yahoo, btinternet and sbcglobal issue is finally resolved.
I'll keep an eye on things to make sure.

mjb.

From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Apr 23 15:16:22 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:16:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
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funny, I run the Toyo R888s, and was running the same 20 lb +/- pressures, on
my GT6.  I had pretty even temps across them, but was getting a lot of
understeer.  Kas suggested the pressure was way too low for radials.  I had
started in the mid 20s and worked my way down.  Then I went up close to where
the Miata racers run them - 29 rear and 31 front cold, about 35 hot, and the
handling is much improved.
Still getting even temps across the tires - running 1.8 degrees negative
camber front and 2.2 rear.  Tried to get pressure recommendations out of Toyo,
but no luck.

Miss the Kumho V700s - they were a stickier, better handling tire, but not
available in this size any more.

On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:

I run the Toyo Proxes on my GT6 race car. Size 205/60-13. Typically run 22#
front (cold) and 20-21# rear.

Edward Dunn

West Coast Vintage Racing
2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101
Encinitas CA 92024

760-492-3814
www.vintageracing.us



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of sherry robyn
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Keith Files
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
________________________________
From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Hi both,
I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car
to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my
iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What
> pressures are you running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
>
________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
>
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22,
2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
>
Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
>
tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other tires used to
> get your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run
'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the
YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
>
_______________________________________________
>
>
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From apackard68 at att.net  Wed Apr 24 13:01:29 2013
From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR250 Engine block pronounced DOA by machine shop
Message-ID: <1366830089.60289.YahooMailRC@web181102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

B  
Hello Friends.
I am now in need of a replacement six cylinder block for my
every day and 
autocrossing TR250. Apparently my cam wore the block so bad it
created a crack.B  
It did not have cam bearings and was likely starved of oil
when I was dealing 
with a bad oil pump last year.

I sold a GT6 block a short
time ago and I knowB a fellow club memberB just got rid 
of one.B  Anyone out
there with a spare sitting around to sell and close to 
Northern California?B 
I don't need any of the guts or peripherals and can return 
all parts after
disassembly if wanted.B  


Please letB me know if you can help.B  I'd love to
have the car running again for 
a club-hosted June autocross.

Andy Packard
925 577 7704
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Apr 24 14:38:27 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July  - MG vs Triumph
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poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster Factory
that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday.  The notice said
20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park.
http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spon
sored-by-the-roadster-factory/

On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:


Scott,

Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the paddock on
Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic.  But it does get crowded
by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better.  Last year I
arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left, but going fast.
Noon would probably be better.  (timing inversely proportional to the size of
your rig)

Mark Palmer

To: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com
From: sjanzen at me.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400
Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule



I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs night
or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock?

On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:



Jim -- and others looking for lodging,

The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a Wyndham,
they just converted in March I believe.  Rate is $189/night, not exactly
cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they have just renovated
everything.  As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year (Holiday)
but you can park on the street for free.  No room for rigs whatsoever.  Janet
likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the
university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she decides not to
ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility.

Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price range.

To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards Monroeville
near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out there around
$100 - 120/night.  Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but probably
takes about half an hour each way.

Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a donation to
the charities which is a nice plus.

Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people based on
the GWVR (no potty though).

Mark Palmer


> --- In VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" <jim_arnett at ...> wrote:
> >
> > Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP Schenley
weekend.  They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere. We
don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just happy to be
there and to be together.
> > Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed.  Not
too far from Schenley is good too.
> > Any recommdations?






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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Apr 24 15:53:14 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:53:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July  - MG vs Triumph
In-Reply-To: <C17A7900-BD1A-48A0-B0C7-8F31CF6FD2CF@me.com>
References: <kl4sc8+h83f@eGroups.com> <kl65aj+lthr@eGroups.com>
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I'll be there too. I was told by one of the organizers if you have a big rig
you should get there before 5 on Thursday. We are staying at a hotel on Forbes
can't remember the name.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster
Factory
> that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday.  The notice
said
> 20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park.
>
http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spon
> sored-by-the-roadster-factory/
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the paddock on
> Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic.  But it does get
crowded
> by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better.  Last year I
> arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left, but going
fast.
> Noon would probably be better.  (timing inversely proportional to the size
of
> your rig)
>
> Mark Palmer
>
> To: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com
> From: sjanzen at me.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400
> Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule
>
>
>
> I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs
night
> or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock?
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
>
> Jim -- and others looking for lodging,
>
> The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a Wyndham,
> they just converted in March I believe.  Rate is $189/night, not exactly
> cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they have just
renovated
> everything.  As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year
(Holiday)
> but you can park on the street for free.  No room for rigs whatsoever.
Janet
> likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the
> university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she decides not
to
> ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility.
>
> Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price
range.
>
> To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards
Monroeville
> near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out there
around
> $100 - 120/night.  Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but probably
> takes about half an hour each way.
>
> Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a donation
to
> the charities which is a nice plus.
>
> Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people based on
> the GWVR (no potty though).
>
> Mark Palmer
>
>
>> --- In VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" <jim_arnett at ...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP Schenley
> weekend.  They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere.
We
> don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just happy to
be
> there and to be together.
>>> Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed.  Not
> too far from Schenley is good too.
>>> Any recommdations?
>
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Apr 24 19:14:49 2013
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:14:49 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b2uKpdan8Z6mopS9LuzrBhEbTHFb-Rwm-rnVC0UcLtYzQ@mail.gmail.com>

we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in
general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones

on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting
to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and
layout, but its a good starting point.

Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure
around 42psi.

On production cars with primitive suspensions  like TR's we struggle to get
them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures

if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your
temperature data



Terry

From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Apr 24 19:21:59 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b2uKpdan8Z6mopS9LuzrBhEbTHFb-Rwm-rnVC0UcLtYzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Nope, my tires are not getting to 194 degrees F/90 C.  More like 155 on a hot
day.

On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in
general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones

on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting
to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and
layout, but its a good starting point.

Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure
around 42psi.

On production cars with primitive suspensions  like TR's we struggle to get
them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures

if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your
temperature data



Terry
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Wed Apr 24 23:24:03 2013
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:24:03 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888
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Terry,
The PROXES I started this thread with, were fitted to TR7 V8 Race car,
fairly heavy spring rates. We found that we would get 10+ PSI change in 5
Laps (13.5 miles total) on a 25c (77F) day.




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track
Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2013 11:15 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888

we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in
general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones

on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting
to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and
layout, but its a good starting point.

Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure
around 42psi.

On production cars with primitive suspensions  like TR's we struggle to get
them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures

if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your temperature
data



Terry
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 07:33:33 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:33:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
Message-ID: <6C6284DF94E4448CB324E94BF9AAC691@gdhs.local>

Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old
set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR.  I was
able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now
available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix.  Just let me know
and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping.....

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 08:53:19 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:53:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
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Todd:  I have no idea if they are compatable to a TS motor, perhaps someone
else could tell you. 

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:32 AM
To: jhhasty at gdhs.com
Subject: RE: [Fot] Exhaust Headers

John,

If they are for a TR3 and are still available, Ill take them!


Todd Redmond




n Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM, john hasty wrote:

> Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me 
> an old set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for 
> VIR.  I was able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the 
> used set is now available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar 
> fix.  Just let me know and they will be on their way to you for the 
> cost of shipping.....
>
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 08:51:55 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:51:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
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The Stahl header was perfect.  3 pictures attached.  I had them send the
engine plate to me first so we could fit it to the modified head.  Had them
use 16 gage 1-5/8" tubing instead of 18 gage.  It is 4 into 1.  The fit of
the primary tubes to the rectangle exhaust outlets was perfect as if they
had been forged to shape.  The primary tubes, as best I could measure, were
exactly the same length.  I had the collector welded and they used an
additional strap around the primary tubes at the point they fit into the
collector.  I then had Airborne ceramic coat it to reduce the radiated heat,
they say, by 35%.  The collector was close to touching the frame at one
point and Allen made a little more clearance by modifying the frame at that
point, but other than that no fitting problems.  (Note my old header had the
same frame clearance problem)
 
Bud's old header is 4 into 1 & has rust etc. but is sound and useable.  I
have no idea who made it, perhaps Bud could tell us.     Cheers!
 

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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From: davehogye [mailto:dlhogye at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:01 AM
To: john hasty
Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Headers


Hi John, 
How did the Stahl header work out?  How did it fit?  Any frame clearance
issues?  What is the old header like?  Do you know who made it?  Is it a
4-1, or 4-2-1?


Dave H.


  _____  

From: "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:33:33 AM
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers

Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old
set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR.  I was
able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now
available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix.  Just let me know
and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping.....

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Apr 25 09:44:05 2013
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hasty's Header
Message-ID: <51760080.e463.13e41dda7a0.Webtop.14@optonline.net>

To All,

Will John's header for a CT motor work on a TS motor?  I have the high 
port head.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure which motor is in my TR3.   What are 
the differences, if any, between the two motors?


Thanks

Todd Redmond

From apackard68 at att.net  Thu Apr 25 10:19:23 2013
From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Engine block search status
Message-ID: <1366906763.79952.YahooMailRC@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks to everyone for overwhelming response.  
I'll be picking up a TR250
block in nearby Folsom, CA this weekend and hopefully 
it checks out at the
machine shop.  If it doesn't, I'll likely be contacting the 
other offers I
rec'd.  Nice to know there is so much support for a fellow 
enthusiast in a
pinch!
Andy Packard

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 07:40:25 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:40:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July  - MG vs Triumph
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PS: Hotel is Hilton Garden Inn


John H. Hasty
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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:53 PM
To: Scott Janzen
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July - MG vs Triumph

I'll be there too. I was told by one of the organizers if you have a big rig
you should get there before 5 on Thursday. We are staying at a hotel on
Forbes can't remember the name.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster
Factory
> that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday.  The
> notice
said
> 20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park.
>
http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spo
n
> sored-by-the-roadster-factory/
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the
> paddock on Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic.  But it
> does get
crowded
> by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better.  Last
> year I arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left,
> but going
fast.
> Noon would probably be better.  (timing inversely proportional to the
> size
of
> your rig)
>
> Mark Palmer
>
> To: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com
> From: sjanzen at me.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400
> Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule
>
>
>
> I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs
night
> or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock?
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
>
> Jim -- and others looking for lodging,
>
> The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a
> Wyndham, they just converted in March I believe.  Rate is $189/night,
> not exactly cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they
> have just
renovated
> everything.  As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year
(Holiday)
> but you can park on the street for free.  No room for rigs whatsoever.
Janet
> likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the
> university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she
> decides not
to
> ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility.
>
> Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price
range.
>
> To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards
Monroeville
> near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out
> there
around
> $100 - 120/night.  Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but
> probably takes about half an hour each way.
>
> Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a
> donation
to
> the charities which is a nice plus.
>
> Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people
> based on the GWVR (no potty though).
>
> Mark Palmer
>
>
>> --- In VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" <jim_arnett at ...>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP
>>> Schenley
> weekend.  They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere.
We
> don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just
> happy to
be
> there and to be together.
>>> Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed.
>>> Not
> too far from Schenley is good too.
>>> Any recommdations?
>
>
>
>
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Apr 25 09:50:44 2013
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:50:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
In-Reply-To: <0ADC2FF4C0234122A71BE5728C5CEAD4@gdhs.local>
References: <6C6284DF94E4448CB324E94BF9AAC691@gdhs.local>
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The car came to me with a UK sourced header. That's all I know about it.

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 25, 2013, at 9:51 AM, "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> The Stahl header was perfect.  3 pictures attached.  I had them send the
> engine plate to me first so we could fit it to the modified head.  Had them
> use 16 gage 1-5/8" tubing instead of 18 gage.  It is 4 into 1.  The fit of
> the primary tubes to the rectangle exhaust outlets was perfect as if they
> had been forged to shape.  The primary tubes, as best I could measure, were
> exactly the same length.  I had the collector welded and they used an
> additional strap around the primary tubes at the point they fit into the
> collector.  I then had Airborne ceramic coat it to reduce the radiated
heat,
> they say, by 35%.  The collector was close to touching the frame at one
> point and Allen made a little more clearance by modifying the frame at that
> point, but other than that no fitting problems.  (Note my old header had
the
> same frame clearance problem)
>
> Bud's old header is 4 into 1 & has rust etc. but is sound and useable.  I
> have no idea who made it, perhaps Bud could tell us.     Cheers!
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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> From: davehogye [mailto:dlhogye at comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:01 AM
> To: john hasty
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
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>
> Hi John,
> How did the Stahl header work out?  How did it fit?  Any frame clearance
> issues?  What is the old header like?  Do you know who made it?  Is it a
> 4-1, or 4-2-1?
>
>
> Dave H.
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> From: "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:33:33 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
>
> Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old
> set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR.  I was
> able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now
> available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix.  Just let me
know
> and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping.....
>
> John H. Hasty
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Apr 25 22:52:32 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:52:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Final note on yahoo
Message-ID: <517A0810.5030907@bradakis.com>

I think I have finally cleared out all the duplicate addresses I set up 
during
the yahoo mess, so those who started getting two of every post should now be
getting only one.

mjb.

From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Thu Apr 25 23:53:39 2013
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 00:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 hard top hardware
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVuzk7woU9SceC_SPjb-YrKJWtwpxH8ih8rf1RLeOr9QdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone!
I recently aquired/was given a hardtop for my Spitfire 1500. Does anyone
have an extra set of the mounting hardware for the B pillars? Since they
are unobtainium I'm hoping someone here has a set. Otherwise it's time to
get my designing skills out from under the dust. Thank you.
Mike Jankowski

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 26 07:52:06 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:52:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH ENTRIES AT KASTNER CUP 2013 TRIUMPH RUN WEEKEND RUN
 GROUP?
Message-ID: <8D0109C5F9AE2C9-678-1EE00@webmail-m265.sysops.aol.com>

FOT ENTRANTS:

VSCDA feels that if our entries land between 60 and 70 cars, they will want to
schedule a separate run group with just TRIUMPHS.

This complicates their scheduling, it may be the best decision for them.

FOR US, it means that VSCDA can schedule our run times so we can ALL take full
advantage  of the Saturday Afternoon activities.  The Race Car drive into
Elkhart, Old Course Reenactment, Gather On the Green, etc.

IT ALSO means that we might all have better scheduling for Sunday
departures.......

So, this is not a solicitation for more entries, but for the best information
possible for PLANNING PURPOSES.

We seem to be at 60+ Drivers, but we will need a CAR COUNT.  Contact Marty
Sukey  trmarty at hotmail.com  if you plan to enter and have not indicated so.

If we don't have a separate run group, we will try to get the best possible
scheduling for the TRIUMPHS, in any case.

The planning seems to be going well for a maximum FOT EXPERIENCE at ELVF.
Thanks!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Apr 26 07:56:03 2013
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:56:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder new SS Falcon headers (WTS)
Message-ID: <001a01ce4285$cac89670$6059c350$@rr.com>

Shameless effort to fund racing program!

 

Please contact me off-line if you are interested in a set of new Falcon
stainless steel headers for TR-250/TR-6 application. I also have the SS
collector pipe that makes this into a single outlet which is what one would
want for any type of competition. If you do desire a dual system those pipes
are also available to connect this to an aftermarket system like a Monza. I
have pictures available if interested. I will sell this for considerably
less than listed at any retailer.

 

I will be at the Jefferson 500 in May and Mosport in June if that helps with
delivery.

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49

From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 26 09:09:46 2013
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:09:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps
Message-ID: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Is anyone using lash caps?
I'm looking at using these:
http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html
I'd like to hear the pros
and cons.
I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues.  
They will add about
.070" to the top of the valve stem.

Regards,
Tim

From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Apr 26 09:31:19 2013
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:31:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps
In-Reply-To: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1366990389.1861.fot@autox.team.net>

I'm using them on my TR-4.  I've had to shorten them on the bench 
grinder to not hit the valve keeper, but they've caused not 
problems.  My car came with roller rockers and the Lash Caps, and it 
seemed like a good idea so I've continued to use them.  Seems like it 
would give a larger area for the roller tip to roll on.

Tony Drews

At 10:09 AM 4/26/2013, Tim Pettenati wrote:
>Is anyone using lash caps?
>I'm looking at using these:
>http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html
>I'd like to hear the pros
>and cons.
>I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues.
>They will add about
>.070" to the top of the valve stem.
>
>Regards,
>Tim
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 26 11:22:34 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:22:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps
In-Reply-To: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CD8390D-C60C-4C77-BA29-58A04CB0DA2D@gmail.com>

I have a 1936 Matchless V-twin engine that uses these.  No issues as long as
they fit right to start with.

Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4
1936 Morgan 3-wheeler


On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote:

> Is anyone using lash caps?
> I'm looking at using these:
> http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html
> I'd like to hear the pros
> and cons.
> I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues.
> They will add about
> .070" to the top of the valve stem.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Apr 26 15:07:47 2013
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:07:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389
Message-ID: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net>

Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red)  
sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni  
won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from  
Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried  
most of the usual places but have come up empty.

Thanks
Bud Rolofson

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 26 16:06:50 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:06:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389
In-Reply-To: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net>
References: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <904F8C38-7F54-440E-9ACC-FA9AB48CDD63@gdhs.com>

Bid.  You might call Paul Spruell in Atlanta. He is an Alfa guy, but had red
ones in stock when I needed some for my Alfa...... They might be the same.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Bud R <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red)
> sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni
> won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from
> Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried
> most of the usual places but have come up empty.
>
> Thanks
> Bud Rolofson
>
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Apr 26 16:39:19 2013
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:39:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389
In-Reply-To: <904F8C38-7F54-440E-9ACC-FA9AB48CDD63@gdhs.com>
References: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net>
	<904F8C38-7F54-440E-9ACC-FA9AB48CDD63@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <009701ce42ce$e3e95920$abbc0b60$@rr.com>

Got it covered I believe.

Russ

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Hasty
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:07 PM
To: Bud R
Cc: FOT triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389

Bid.  You might call Paul Spruell in Atlanta. He is an Alfa guy, but had red
ones in stock when I needed some for my Alfa...... They might be the same.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Bud R <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red) 
> sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni 
> won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from 
> Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried 
> most of the usual places but have come up empty.
>
> Thanks
> Bud Rolofson
>
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) 
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Apr 27 17:26:20 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:26:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing and compression
Message-ID: <3FD61C72-4AA2-4124-A365-1D7D9361FB4F@me.com>

The GT6 recently got a nice valve job, and in the process we verified that the
compression, which I had thought was 11.5:1, was actually only 10.4:1.  Now,
approx. 40/1000 later, it's 11.9:1.
So, the question is, how much should I dial back total ignition advance from
the 32 degrees I was running?
Also, expectations with Weber carb set up - will different jetting be
required?

From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Apr 29 14:07:25 2013
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:07:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] bad news and good news
Message-ID: <CALCydYpAe9t4aHGnv1iF5B242PLRiXdgPcX3PO3qtqtmfnb0GA@mail.gmail.com>

The bad news is that I lost lots and lots of really cool stuff due to
flooding at both basements (my home and antique store). The past week and a
half was long sad 18 hour days of hauling ruined stuff to the dumpster. I
accepted the loss pretty calming (to my wife's surprise, as I usually deal
with things like this will lots of yelling and swearing and screaming and
crying)
In a rare moment of maturity, somehow I accepted the defeat graciously...
put my head down, tried to keep a smile on my face and  trudged through the
long messy clean up.

The good news is that I hauled my last garbage bag and poured my last
bottle of bleach in time to get down to some serious RACING. This
weekend held my annual season kick off race weekend. The Saint Joseph's
College "Little 500" 3 hour endurance go kart race for students/ faculty
and Alumni.
I took second in the alumni race.
And in a big moment of glory for Friendly Ghost Racing... our Student drove
a flawless race to bring the FGR team an awesome victory. After over 100
miles of racing on the bumpy campus street course, any one of the top 5
drivers was in a position to win. Under strong attack we stayed smart under
pressure and won all the marbles. After doing this for 23 years in a row
now, and getting the kid's kart prepped to perfection in spite of my awful
prior week... this victory is one of our sweetest to date!

Funny how a few moments of glory at the track can wash away the losses of a
"100 year rain".
Goddamn, I must proclaim....racing is really good for the soul!

I'm back at my "paddock master" desk now.
New Kastner Cup Paddock information shortly forthcoming.
Thanks!
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Apr 29 15:43:50 2013
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:43:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info For Kastner Cup #2
Message-ID: <CALCydYoG6PdpwFt8e7hvJ+9OarJ+vC5DQnFpyXiF5=aCOKfabg@mail.gmail.com>

This is the 2nd instalment of Paddock Info for the Kastner Cup.

ATTENTION ALL KASTNER CUP PARTICIPANTS:

Notes on status of Garage rentals:

Many of you have reserved garage spaces in the open air Lester Buildings.
This will be Triumph headquarters for various aspects of The Kastner Cup.

If you have reserved a space. THANK YOU!
At this point there are only a few garage spots left, call it fair warning!

If you have reserved a garage spot and HAVE SENT me a payment already...
THANK YOU for being early to the grid.

If you have reserved a garage spot and have NOT SENT payment yet...
Second call!
Please send $50.00 per spot payable to:
Wonderland Multivintage
3731 Grand Blvd
Brookfield IL 60513

(Notice to all garage renters>>> Do not be alarmed if you have not heard
from me yet or gotten any official confirmation. Official confirmation in
regards to garage space has not yet been given. So, Again, If you paid
already, thanks...look for a personal email in the coming days in regard
to your official confirmation.)

Notes on General Paddock Arrangement:

Negotiations and initial planning for the ALL TRIUMPH PADDOCK is going well.
It is a rare thing to have any special paddock arrangements made at Road
America. Thanks to some dedicated FoTer's voices and persistent contact
with the Race-Chairmen and RA officials, so far it looks like Triumph
competitors will be given five star treatment. To Be Clear.... WE are the
FEATURE!

To facilitate accurate planning of open space in the ALL TRIUMPH PADDOCK I
have asked ALL TRIUMPH COMPETITORS to send me the dimensions of
their paddock space needs. (dimensions of rig, canopies, tent, RV)
If you have not contacted me with this info please do so now. Email
jason at multivintage.com  with the requested info.

Opinions and Feedback and important paddock concepts thus far:
1) The Lester building / garages will work great for car prep/show for the
entire weekend.
2) The garages are not secure or private (keep that in mind)
3) Your rig and trailer or RV etc. will NOT be right next to you garage
spot and may be a short walk from your spot. I will try to get you as close
as I can. but understand that your paddock spot (for your tow rig and
trailer) will not be at an arms length from your garage spot. (please be
advised and plan accordingly)
4) Tech will happen in our Triumph Paddock area.
5) RV hookup power is not technically available in our designated area.
6) If you want power, rent a garage spot.(period)
7) If you want power at you RV / rig / paddock spot plan on paying lots of
money to get it or BRING a GENERATOR.
8) I have been asked "Can I run a cord from my garage spot to my Rig and
tent or RV? Answer: don't count on it.
9) If You must have RV power because of any personal/ medical issues...
Contact me immediately! Jason @ (312)208-5227
10) If you need anything special, now is the time to ask for it! Contact
Jason @ (312)208-5227
11) If you know anyone that is not on the FOT list or that does not keep up
with our emails; Please forward this info to them and urge them to contact
me with any concerns and the requested details.
12)  If I have forgotten anything or not mentioned something that you would
like to see as part of the paddock experience for this event, I AM HERE FOR
YOU to see what we can do! call Jason @ (312)208-5227 or email
jason at multivintage.com
13) This is going to be totally awesome. The 2013 Kastner Cup at Road
America is shaping up to be the greatest Triumph Race in the history of
motorsport.

 Thanks!
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
Planing Committee/Paddock Master
2013 Kastner Cup at Road America

From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Mon Apr 29 18:52:39 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:52:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] crank float
Message-ID: <EFABE3BFD7E64F6DA302E7ADB316E254@hpd530>

Hi Gang, I'm putting my TR6 engine together and had a question about the
crankshaft thrust bearings.
I know Cas had an article in one of his books about using a Toyota setup. I
was talking to Dave at TRF and he mentioned pinning the thrust brearings.
Anybody done this?
I was thinking about setting my block in my drill press (it's a Powermatic 20
inch and will handle it) and drilling two holes in the back of the block,
where the thrust washers (bearings) are fitted. Then install two 3/32 roll
pins to retain the bearings.
The drill press would keep things level and straight. I already drilled two
holes in an old thrust bearing and plan to use it as a template.
I've never had any problems but hear about the thrust bearings falling out. It
seems that if the clearances are right, this wouldn't happen.
Any thoughts?
Thanks, Bill

From sjanzen at me.com  Mon Apr 29 18:58:29 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:58:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mallory mechanical advance springs
Message-ID: <D53F4E1A-70F5-4C09-9878-ACA08FC986C8@me.com>

before I go spring for a set of these little guys to replace the ones I know I
have but can't find, does anyone have some for a Mallory distributor they no
longer use?
They are color-coded for different spring force/ advance rates.

for the GT6 . . . Summit wants 441 for the whole set - make me an offer I
can't refuse!

Scott

From tarch at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr 29 16:39:29 2013
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:39:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] The Mitty,  ATLANTA
Message-ID: <001001ce452a$69d14b30$3d73e190$@bellsouth.net>

FOTers,

The Mitty, last weekend, started with beautiful Wx and ended with the sky
emptying 2 inches of clear juice all over the event. Ole 196 was put in a
class w/ 2 Ginnettas and a Lotus Super 7. The downpour Sunday encouraged
most racers to head home early. This left the one-car class to #196 alone in
the deluge. So we took it! Obviously we have no pride but the experience was
extraordinary. Sheet drainage created3 hydroplaning opportunities; one right
on the uphill after turn 1, another at turn 4 and the third in front of the
tower. Visibility was mostly nil. Both water sheets were thrillers, kinda
like hitting oil slicks. But, unlike oil, the tires will catch again.

The car did, however, earn a legitimate 2nd place in the Enduro. What that
old car lacks in speed and grace, it still tries to compensate with steady
determination. In the eye of the fire breathing racer, this ain't very
glamorous. But for this old man, it works just fine.

We also picked up a 3rd place in the HSR International American Challenge.
Did you know that a GT-40 will pop your ears when it flies by at full song?

The only other big Triumph at the event was Randy Williams' refined TR-3. It
was suffering from  head gasket issues and didn't finish the weekend. What a
truly exquisite machine!

The Spitfires were out  in force and running very fast. Leigh and Quinn
Derby and Jake Kimbrough put on a fine show.

The drive home in the rain with the top down on Interstate 85 was, by
several magnitudes, more challenging than any of the races.

Richard Taylor, TR-4 #196

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Apr 30 08:27:09 2013
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:27:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] crank float
References: <EFABE3BFD7E64F6DA302E7ADB316E254@hpd530>
Message-ID: <F115AED70E0C4C61A9D10C30FF13DC4F@Charly>

Pinning the thrust washer is a good idea, but don't use steel pins, you 
should use brass pins.If something should happen. at least you won't be 
running the crankshaft on the steel.
A better fix is to machine the main cap to accept an additional thrust 
washer and then you'll have twice the surface area for the thrust. Instead 
of pins you could use brass screws.
Check out the link below.


http://www.customthrustwashers.com/

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:52 PM
Subject: [Fot] crank float


> Hi Gang, I'm putting my TR6 engine together and had a question about the
> crankshaft thrust bearings.
> I know Cas had an article in one of his books about using a Toyota setup. 
> I
> was talking to Dave at TRF and he mentioned pinning the thrust brearings.
> Anybody done this?
> I was thinking about setting my block in my drill press (it's a Powermatic 
> 20
> inch and will handle it) and drilling two holes in the back of the block,
> where the thrust washers (bearings) are fitted. Then install two 3/32 roll
> pins to retain the bearings.
> The drill press would keep things level and straight. I already drilled 
> two
> holes in an old thrust bearing and plan to use it as a template.
> I've never had any problems but hear about the thrust bearings falling 
> out. It
> seems that if the clearances are right, this wouldn't happen.
> Any thoughts?
> Thanks, Bill
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From mnewman at embarqmail.com  Tue Apr 30 15:48:42 2013
From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman )
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:48:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Lemans/Sebring Spitfires
Message-ID: <1604883989.2847178.1367358522645.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com>

Amici:
I have recently purchased a replica of one of the 1964/65 Triumph Spitfire Works effort cars that raced at Sebring and Lemans. The car was purchased from Tim Slater in West Palm Beach, Florida. Tim has owned the car twice and his godfather was Peter Bolton, one of the Works drivers during the era. I will be racing SCCA Vintage using the #65, Bolton's number. I plan on finding more history on the car and may need the help of the listers in the future. Currently, I am in need of some pictutes of the original Works Spitfires that show the graphics "Triumph Spitfire" on the front wings. I need enough clarity in order to determine the proper font and scaling to get this graphic reproduced locally for installation on my new purchase.
By the way, the car is BRG with a Rick Cline built 1300cc engine. The roof is from a GT6 instead of the original fiberglass, but the quality of the welding and restoration/reproduction is teriffic.
Any pictures you may have will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Bill Newman #44 GT6 & 1965 Spitfire

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Mon Apr  1 05:57:55 2013
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 07:57:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations
Message-ID: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>

With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our 
website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture 
on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of 
tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure 
Oil.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 
39A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Apr  1 07:46:42 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations
Message-ID: <3588.4209781a.3e8ae9c1@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/01/2013 5:59:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
tedtsimx at bright.net writes:


> With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our 
> website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture 
> on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of 
> tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure 
> Oil.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 
> 39A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted
> 

Ted...

Boy!  That's a surprise.  I thought you were even older.

Bill (Damdinger)


From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Apr  1 09:58:10 2013
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:58:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Service stations
In-Reply-To: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
Message-ID: <8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>

And speakin of gas prices, back in the 70's when I worked for a couple service
stations regular was in the high $.20 range. Then the oil crises hit and
prices jumped to $.50 to $.55 per gallon over night and we limited sales to 5
gallons per vehicle.  And customers were outraged by the cost of fuel, and
this was also at a time that some drivers were just startin to think about
fuel economy.

Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the towns
next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ???  Can't figure that one out.


Again my 2 cents,
Bob T


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: FOT <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:59 am
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations


With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our
ebsite - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture
n home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of
ghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure
il.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim
9A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted
--
ed Schumacher
edtsimx at bright.net
ttp://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
08 S. Jefferson St.
andora, Ohio, USA 45877
ax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
hone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
ech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Apr  1 10:14:09 2013
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:14:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Service stations
In-Reply-To: <8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
	<8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002301ce2ef3$f1b86fd0$d5294f70$@net>

Around 1970 I worked nights at a Chevron Station...Guys in a big car would
drive in..open the trunk, and say "Hey..Wanna buy a nice suit?(:-)
RB

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:58 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Service stations

And speakin of gas prices, back in the 70's when I worked for a couple
service stations regular was in the high $.20 range. Then the oil crises hit
and prices jumped to $.50 to $.55 per gallon over night and we limited sales
to 5 gallons per vehicle.  And customers were outraged by the cost of fuel,
and this was also at a time that some drivers were just startin to think
about fuel economy.

Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the
towns next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ???  Can't figure that one
out.


Again my 2 cents,
Bob T


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: FOT <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:59 am
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations


With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our ebsite -
www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture n home page
that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of ghe lucky ones.
This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure il.  I have pumped
gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 9A Tallboy pump is
showing.  Enjoy. Ted
--
ed Schumacher
edtsimx at bright.net
ttp://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
08 S. Jefferson St.
andora, Ohio, USA 45877
ax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
hone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
ech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Apr  1 10:17:54 2013
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:17:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Apr  1 10:20:01 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:20:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Service stations
In-Reply-To: <8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
	<8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304011218250.27727@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the towns
> next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ???  Can't figure that one out.

This one's EZ - DON'T BUY GAS THERE.

;-)

> Again my 2 cents,
> Bob T


... adjusted for inflation, $.20.

Nyuk, nyuk.

rml
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Apr  1 10:28:35 2013
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:28:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations
In-Reply-To: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds95E97AA65F7369FBF932BC3DE0@phx.gbl>

Very cool Ted.

Terry Stetler.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ted Schumacher<mailto:tedtsimx at bright.net>
  To: FOT<mailto:FOT at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:57 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations


  With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our
  website -
www.tsimportedautomotive.com<http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/>. Click the
link under the picture
  on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of
  tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure
  Oil.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim
  39A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted

  --
  Ted Schumacher
  tedtsimx at bright.net<mailto:tedtsimx at bright.net>
  http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com<http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/>
  108 S. Jefferson St.
  Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
  Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
  Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Apr  1 10:30:12 2013
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 16:30:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8A66CE@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>

50 years from now there will be a Vintage Prius Racing list on whatever
version of the internet exists at that point.  Some crusty old crock will be
telling tales about the old days, when batteries went bad and how they first
learned to refurbish those batteries in their driveway, using stuff they dug
out of dumpsters and how, later, they figured out how to boost the discharge
and recharge rates of those stock batteries without them blowing up all the
time.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of RACER BUD
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:18 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Mon Apr  1 01:45:55 2013
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 00:45:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating
Message-ID: <c51ccd8395a54e589822c4396a7dcdb4.gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com>

.020" copper wire is really to thick. It does not
compress enough, holds the head up to high, so there
is a tendency for water to leak out the sides of the
head and up the studs. We have found that dead soft
copper wire between .012" and .015" is the ideal
thickness to use. We glue it in place with contact
cement or "gask-g-cinch" which will work like a
contact cement. We still run thin beads of Silicone
gasket maker around the two long head studs on the
manifold side of the head to keep water from getting
around the studs and causing them to rust & pit. 85
lbs ft. of torque is enough, with "permatex
anti-sieze" on the threads and under the nut.  It is
important to use good hard head nut washers, like
those from ARP. Retorque the head when hot after
starting and warming up the engine, also to 85 lbs.
ft. of torque. We use .003" to .006" liner projection
with no more than .002" difference in hight between
any tow adjacent liners.


Greg Solow
The Engine Room
Morgan & Triumph Specialists
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
831 429-1800



------- Original Message -------
>From    : Kas Kastner[mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com]
Sent    : 3/31/2013 6:36:40 PM
To      : j.wags63 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Cc      :
Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating

 Pay attention here. The sticky part matters not
much, but the copper wire
literely seals the deal.  Ho Ho Ho.

*Never be beaten by equipment.*


On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:09 PM, John Wagner
<j.wags63 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>      If you are using a shim gasket, may I
recommend  GM Goodwrench gasket
> sealing compound.
> We super glue .020 or less soft copper wire in the
outer
> rings and with a small sponge paint
> roller apply the gsc. It looks like, an
> has the consistency of Carmel topping. Its Been holding
> High comp. chevys
> together since the 60's.  Good Stuff and not that
expensive.
>
>
>      John
> Wagner
>      Just the wrench
> From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To:
> Cc:
> fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot]
> Head Gasket Coating
>
> FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just
> not from Permatex or
> Valco:
>  http://goo.gl/jE4dw
>  http://goo.gl/mvKDc
>
> --
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Apr  1 12:07:15 2013
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 18:07:15 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
Message-ID: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>

---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote: 
> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
> car?

They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a relatively small battery, it's just a data point).

When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.

At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain more acceptance.

Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.  There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.  They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.

Randall


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Apr  1 12:10:26 2013
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:10:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
	<20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <003501ce2f04$3028d4c0$907a7e40$@net>

Thanks Randall..Quite enlightening.
RB

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; budscars at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars


---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
> the car?

They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).

When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.

At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.

Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.

Randall


From ponobill at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 15:41:46 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:41:46 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
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Like any other emerging infrastructure, it's not as "good" as the technology
it replaces. Of course if we were starting off fresh with no transportation
technology a piston-driven internal combustion engine would the the very last
possibility considered. Horrible design choice, but after a hundred years of
development it's pretty tough to compete with either the design or the
infrastructure that supports it. It's SO entrenched that hybrid cars use it as
a generator driver when a turbine-derived design would be so much more
efficient, and a small fuel cell would be even better.

Electric and other technologies will replace gasoline as a fuel, and it's
conceivable that a piston-driven engine will be replaced. Such a hideous and
intrinsically limited design.

My next car for Maui will definitely be electric-based. I can and will run it
for "free". I generate about 200KWH per week with photovoltaic panels, and
I'll double that next year. Given Maui's electric rates and the cost of
gasoline they pay for themselves in five years. I don't have any other
investments that come anywhere close to the ROI. I can do math, so until the
engine in my jeep drops out onto the road I'll probably still be using that,
but given expected battery life an electric vehicle pencils out very nicely
here.

I've also built an electric bicycle here that I use for shuttling myself when
I do downwind runs (drop the bike off, drive to the start, do the run, drive
the bike back to pick up the jeep. Yes I could pedal, but after paddling a
stand up surfboard ten miles a little boost is nice. My bicycle runs on the
same 4S 5000MAH lithium polymer batteries that I use for my quadcopter drone.
I just slot four of them into a case I made and it's good for about thrity
miles with hills.

I also made an electric tricycle that everyone in the Northwest is really
tired of seeing in the pits. It does 50 MPH on the flats and I've done a
century ride with it--over Mount Hood. A "short" ride with it is 50 miles.
Great little grocery getter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC_o66ABn6M


On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>> car?
>
> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>
> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>
> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.
>
> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>
> Randall
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Apr  2 08:41:04 2013
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:41:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Underdrive Pulley for Lucas Alternator
Message-ID: <8CFFDC73C8E35DE-9E0-50280@webmail-d235.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

I seem to remember some one here asking about an underdrive pulley for their
Lucas Alternator.  Well while I searched for my hoard of parts for a project
on my Spit GT, I came across just such an item.  This is a part I had made up
for when I used a Lucas Alternator on my car, it's roughly 5 inches in
diameter.  I could send a photo to your email if interested.

Cheers,
Bob T
'63 Spitfire  street
'64 Spit GT   autocrosser


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr  2 09:02:01 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:02:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] CAM CORE NEEDED FOR REGRIND   TR3/4
Message-ID: <8CFFDCA29B9E7BB-1814-4E7C4@webmail-d230.sysops.aol.com>

THANKS to all that helped on a cam selection for a specific
application....especially Larry Young.

Now a solid cam core is needed for regrind. Can anyone help?  I am helping a
guy with this.

Strange deal. TR3 is being built for some kind of high speed rallying in the
US. If I find out any more about it I will share. Engine builder says owner is
competing against V-8s and such.  Owner also rallies in Europe part of the
year with cars stationed over there.  interesting.

Thanks, once again!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Apr  2 09:15:20 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:15:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
Message-ID: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>

Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
Will race gas be available? 
	I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
mystery.. 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Apr  2 09:51:00 2013
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:51:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas
Message-ID: <2097144514.431672.1364917860414.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The following has been around for a long time but funny none the less.

Gary



> ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS

> Positive ground depends on proper
> circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by
> retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as bsmokeb.
> Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this
> to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an
> electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly
> through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar
> across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are
> liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if
> one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a
> Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component
> no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The
> function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one
> device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the
> smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were
> considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely
> because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very
> unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical
> components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their
> Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this
> is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British
> engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk
> brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British
> Intelligence leaks national defense secrets.
>
> Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak
> smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable.
>
> In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy
> in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries
> of electrical components especially British units manufactured by
> Joseph Lucas, Ltd.
>
> And remember: bA gentleman does not motor about after dark.b
>
> Joseph Lucas bThe Prince of Darknessb 1842-1903
>
> A few Lucas quips:
>
> The Lucas motto: bGet home before dark.b
>
> Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit.
>
> Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper.
>
> Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.
>
> The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other
> three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.
>
> The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics.
>
> If Lucas made guns, wars would not start
>
> Back in the b70s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and
> began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they
> offered which did not suck.
>
> Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their
> refrigerators.


From mmoore at wave1.net  Tue Apr  2 09:48:15 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:48:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
In-Reply-To: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <00c601ce2fb9$7da6c620$78f45260$@net>

https://pvgpa.ejoinme.org/MyPages/RacerRegistration/tabid/267555/Default.asp
x


Thanks
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
2007 West 32nd Street
Erie, PA 16508

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
Fax:        814-864-7383


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of john hasty
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
To: 'FOT'
Subject: [Fot] PVGP

Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
Will race gas be available? 
	I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
mystery.. 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Apr  2 10:03:31 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:03:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <FC28DF4804384226AF2947F036A37197@hpd530>

John, check the VRG website; they have on-line registration. Vintage Racer 
Group, good bunch.
Look under events.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: [Fot] PVGP


> Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
> trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
> on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
> Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
> located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
> organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
> Will race gas be available?
> I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
> layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
> Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
> mystery..
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Apr  2 10:31:08 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:31:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <298919B8AC5445A68D1E2A53A69D02BD@hpd530>

John, go to VRG home, click on events, go down to the PVGP races at PIRC, 
then to Entry Form.
Then go back to Detailed Event Info, it will bring up a PVGP site. Hit 
"Drivers" and it will bring up all kinds of info.
Pit/paddock are on Hobart St and Prospect Dr. Very rustic, old days style. 
Park like setting.
There's a motorcycle club that watches over everything overnight, so no 
worries about security.
You have to keep in mind the race is in urban Pittsburgh, near Pitt, and 
getting around towing a trailer can be a bit trying, but not impossible.
The traffic grid: I'll relay what a H-P rep from the "Burgh" told me years 
ago; they got a river on one side and a mountain on the other, they do the 
best they can!
Good luck. Keith and Ralph, VRG guys, are very helpful.
Bill
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To: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: [Fot] PVGP


> Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
> trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
> on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
> Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
> located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
> organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
> Will race gas be available?
> I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
> layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
> Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
> mystery..
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 10:36:08 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 06:36:08 -1000
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
In-Reply-To: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
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I did the race in Payote during the All Aluminum Tour. I doubt much has
changed, but my memory sucks. There's not much need for crew credentials, the
whole event is free to the public. There was a nice reception at the arboretum
that you'll want tickets for though. As I recall it was driver and one guest
for most of the race-related events.

The paddock is along a road in Schenly Park. The name escapes me, but it's an
infamous gay cruising area. Space is limited, get there early. I set Nero up
in a great spot. Tech is in the paddock, they do a fine job with all the
organizational stuff. One vehicle pass, there was no race gas available--I
brought my own. There was a race the weekend prior at BeaverRun, a very fun
little track. Good event, I topped off my gas jugs there and had plenty for
the PVGP. You don't get that much track time, so you won't use too much. Great
event, and lots of fun stuff going on the week before in the area close to the
park. We had a wondferful time.

Take it easy during the race, the track is pretty dangerous. I didn't take
that advice (given by Burt Levy) and didn't have a problem, but everything you
could hit is pretty hard, even if it has a hay bale in front of it.

On Apr 2, 2013, at 5:15 AM, john hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
> trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
> on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
> Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
> located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
> organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
> Will race gas be available?
> 	I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
> layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
> Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
> mystery..
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
> Tele: (704) 372-5600
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Apr  2 11:07:53 2013
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:07:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
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	<8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com>
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The problem with electric cars is that they run on whatever produces the 
electricity, usually natural gas or coal, both produce green house 
gases. The way you're doing it, Bill, makes more sense.  To have a 5 
year payout, Hawaii must have exceptional incentives for installing 
solar panels.  Payout periods are usually 10 to 15 years. The problem 
with incentives is that they usually change and rarely for the better.
Larry

On 4/1/2013 4:41 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:
> Like any other emerging infrastructure, it's not as "good" as the technology
> it replaces. Of course if we were starting off fresh with no transportation
> technology a piston-driven internal combustion engine would the the very last
> possibility considered. Horrible design choice, but after a hundred years of
> development it's pretty tough to compete with either the design or the
> infrastructure that supports it. It's SO entrenched that hybrid cars use it as
> a generator driver when a turbine-derived design would be so much more
> efficient, and a small fuel cell would be even better.
>
> Electric and other technologies will replace gasoline as a fuel, and it's
> conceivable that a piston-driven engine will be replaced. Such a hideous and
> intrinsically limited design.
>
> My next car for Maui will definitely be electric-based. I can and will run it
> for "free". I generate about 200KWH per week with photovoltaic panels, and
> I'll double that next year. Given Maui's electric rates and the cost of
> gasoline they pay for themselves in five years. I don't have any other
> investments that come anywhere close to the ROI. I can do math, so until the
> engine in my jeep drops out onto the road I'll probably still be using that,
> but given expected battery life an electric vehicle pencils out very nicely
> here.
>
> I've also built an electric bicycle here that I use for shuttling myself when
> I do downwind runs (drop the bike off, drive to the start, do the run, drive
> the bike back to pick up the jeep. Yes I could pedal, but after paddling a
> stand up surfboard ten miles a little boost is nice. My bicycle runs on the
> same 4S 5000MAH lithium polymer batteries that I use for my quadcopter drone.
> I just slot four of them into a case I made and it's good for about thrity
> miles with hills.
>
> I also made an electric tricycle that everyone in the Northwest is really
> tired of seeing in the pits. It does 50 MPH on the flats and I've done a
> century ride with it--over Mount Hood. A "short" ride with it is 50 miles.
> Great little grocery getter.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC_o66ABn6M
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>>> car?
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
> more acceptance.
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>> Randall
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From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  1 14:00:04 2013
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:00:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
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You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles and
oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
power....maybe not in my lifetime but.

I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me.
Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>> car?
>
> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>
> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>
> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.
>
> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>
> Randall
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From PegAndBobM at aol.com  Tue Apr  2 11:57:43 2013
From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:57:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
Message-ID: <b8b3.1bf946f8.3e8c7617@aol.com>

Advertisement from Denver Craigslist for 1953 prototype.  FYI only, no  
association, nor knowledge of claims made.
 
Link: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3717049749.html


From igofaster at att.net  Tue Apr  2 12:05:18 2013
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
Message-ID: <1364925918.55583.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

not having an electric or hybrid type car I have an opinion... they are not as 
'green' as they could be touted in the long run. The lithium batteries are not 
forever batteries and at some date and time they will have to be disposed of. 
I'm not sure of the re-cycling phase of that process... and lithium is not a 
natural product found easily around the world...
I had a neighbor, Rick Perry (not the Texas governor) who was a 5 state 
representative for Audi America.. (we own our third Audi) and his thought about 
diesel was pretty interesting... I think most of us 'racer' types have seen what 
Audi has done in the past with Formula 1 and diesel powered F1 super 
cars....amazing success story I'm sure most will agree...but.. 100 mpg is not a 
stretch in the real world for a diesel powered vehicle in the near future... 
diesel is a product that can be made out of natural products, like cooking oil, 
in the bio-diesel realm of things...
Seem to reason IMHO that diesel or bio-diesel could be a long term solution to 
energy and 'green' standards for the future of consumer automobiles.... just a 
thought....   Bobby Whitehead
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, April 1, 2013 11:20:09 AM
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  2 12:18:41 2013
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:18:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas
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Some years ago there was a genuine Lucas Smoke Replacement Kit on ebay. It included a bottle of genuine Lucas smoke and several needles for proper injection. Since once can never have too many tools at their disposal I put a casual bid on it but I think it wound up going for something like $100!

Gary Schneider





>________________________________
> From: "vintage.racer at comcast.net" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
>To: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net> 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:51 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas
> 
>The following has been around for a long time but funny none the less.
>
>Gary
>
>
>
>> ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS
>
>> Positive ground depends on proper
>> circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by
>> retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as bsmokeb.
>> Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this
>> to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an
>> electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly
>> through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar
>> across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are
>> liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if
>> one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a
>> Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component
>> no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The
>> function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one
>> device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the
>> smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were
>> considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely
>> because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very
>> unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical
>> components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their
>> Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this
>> is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British
>> engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk
>> brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British
>> Intelligence leaks national defense secrets.
>>
>> Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak
>> smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable.
>>
>> In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy
>> in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries
>> of electrical components especially British units manufactured by
>> Joseph Lucas, Ltd.
>>
>> And remember: bA gentleman does not motor about after dark.b
>>
>> Joseph Lucas bThe Prince of Darknessb 1842-1903
>>
>> A few Lucas quips:
>>
>> The Lucas motto: bGet home before dark.b
>>
>> Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit.
>>
>> Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper.
>>
>> Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.
>>
>> The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other
>> three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.
>>
>> The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics.
>>
>> If Lucas made guns, wars would not start
>>
>> Back in the b70s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and
>> began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they
>> offered which did not suck.
>>
>> Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their
>> refrigerators.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr  2 12:44:36 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MADMARX  VITON SEALS    -  ARRIVED TODAY.
Message-ID: <8CFFDE941F7BE7B-17F8-4EB6C@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

Chris Marx just sent me a large number of his TR3/4 REAR CRANK seal kits to
distribute in NORTH AMERICA.

I had several inquiries, but cant remember them all.

You might have to remind me.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From rikrock at live.com  Tue Apr  2 18:14:35 2013
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
Message-ID: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>

Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
________________________________
From: PegAndBobM at aol.com
Sent: 4/2/2013 2:28 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype

Advertisement from Denver Craigslist for 1953 prototype.  FYI only, no
association, nor knowledge of claims made.

Link: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3717049749.html
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 18:40:57 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:40:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>
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I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't contemporary
reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?

Duncan Charlton
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red


On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:

> Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr  2 19:09:43 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:09:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>
References: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>
	<BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind.

I don't think any prototypes survived.

Someone on the list will likely know.....

A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s.

That was interesting.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype


I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't contemporary
reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?

Duncan Charlton
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red


On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:

> Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  2 19:15:16 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:15:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP  too
Message-ID: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>

I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th weekend.
Anybody else going to be there?


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Apr  2 19:50:54 2013
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:50:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
References: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>,
	<BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>,
	<8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY147-W7C270D33DD5E201E51F64C8D80@phx.gbl>

It must be a fake or a hoax.

It has always been understood that there was only one TR1 prototype. It  was
shown at the Earls Court show in London in the fall of 1953. By the time
Geneva came around the following March, Ken Richardson had had his say and the
car had been altered with the familiar trunk, a different chassis and other
alterations to the bodywork.

The photo in the ad was a period shot showing the front of the TR-1 but there
was nothing on the actual car being sold.
 April Fool, I guess. Mike Cook
> To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:09:43 -0400
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
>
> I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind.
>
> I don't think any prototypes survived.
>
> Someone on the list will likely know.....
>
> A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s.
>
> That was interesting.
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
>
>
> I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't
contemporary
> reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?
>
> Duncan Charlton
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:
>
> > Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Apr  2 20:00:05 2013
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 21:00:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <515B8D25.1060506@pobox.com>

Diesel is a technology overlooked in the US, because the solution has 
been dictated by the government.   Europe is about 50% diesel. I have a 
friend that averages 50 mpg in his Volkswagen Golf.  My big X5 BMW gets 
29 mpg at 70 mph.  With that massive torque and 6 speed transmission it 
easily pulls my 18 foot enclosed car trailer with about 14 mpg.  I 
previously had a Ford Expedition with a 5.4L gas engine.  It didn't tow 
as well, averaging about 9 mpg.  Diesels still produce green house 
gases, but to a lesser extent than gas engines.  Otherwise, with today.s 
technology it is very clean. Unfortunately, it has a bad reputation with 
people that remember all the noise and soot from city buses.

This discussion is starting to get political, so I'm dropping out from 
now on.
Larry

On 4/1/2013 3:00 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles and
> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me.
> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>>> car?
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
> more acceptance.
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>> Randall
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 23:59:38 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:59:38 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <515B1069.1050602@pobox.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com>
	<515B1069.1050602@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <B9BAD660-CFA9-4D4E-B725-06B572E86FBF@bnj.com>

It's not really the incentives that make it worthwhile, though they were just
fine, thank you, but there are plenty of people here with $1000 per month
electric bills. The main generators burn oil and there's a fuel surcharge that
floats on top of the approved electric rate. We have a growing number of wind
generators, but it's still less than 15% of the island's power.  So you spend
$40K on photovoltaics, drop your electric bill from $800 per month (in my
case) to $14 and the math is pretty simple. In today's 3% ROI economy I'd have
to invest $320,000 to yield $9600 per year,  so my $40K investment seems
pretty sound.

The "green" aspect of electric cars is shifting pretty quickly, though
honestly, I could care less about that kind of bullshit. The US is fast
becoming the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas (because of shale fracking), we're
already the Saudi Arabia of Coal and we're likely to become the Saudi Arabia
of Oil. Weirdly blessed with natural resources. Coal is pretty nasty, but you
can burn natural gas in a lot of ways that limit it's environmental effect.

All of our worries about global warming and other greenhouse gasses will be
pretty trivial as the third world continues it's steep ramp up the consumption
curve. China will surpass the US in CO2 generation this year, and their
pollution levels in dust and coal black are double ours. Move your troublesome
manufacturing out of the country all you like, it's still just one planet.

Electric cars are a popcorn fart compared to the real issues that face the
world. But saying they're useless because they use electricity from plants
that produce greenhouse gas demonstrates a deep lack of understanding of the
economics of transportable fuel vs. centralized power generation, as well as
just  basic thermodynamics. Its just an easy thing to repeat. If you really do
the math or a little research you'll be more enthusiastic.


On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> The problem with electric cars is that they run on whatever produces the
electricity, usually natural gas or coal, both produce green house gases. The
way you're doing it, Bill, makes more sense.  To have a 5 year payout, Hawaii
must have exceptional incentives for installing solar panels.  Payout periods
are usually 10 to 15 years. The problem with incentives is that they usually
change and rarely for the better.
> Larry


From mmoore at wave1.net  Wed Apr  3 03:55:49 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 05:55:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP  too
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01ce3051$6bfbee80$43f3cb80$@net>

I will be going, it's a VRG event

Thanks
Mike 62 TR4

Michael T. Moore, CPA
2007 West 32nd Street
Erie, PA 16508

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
Fax:        814-864-7383

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of marty sukey
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:15 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] PVGP too

I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th
weekend.
Anybody else going to be there?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr  3 11:01:09 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:01:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] cam cores and Tom Kreger's email?
Message-ID: <8CFFEA3F968840B-1374-3C1C@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks for all of the help with cam cores....got it done.

Does anyone have email for Tom Kreger?  Thanks again.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  2 12:24:33 2013
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:24:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <9u9p0yw4k388jp42p5sn6rng.1364927073610@email.android.com>

It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a Prius when you include battery disposal.

Full disclosure, I just took delivery of a hybrid, but it shares the garage with a F150. The Triumphs reside in a separate garage.

When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' than any electric or hybrid vehicle.

Cheers,

Doug
--
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dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:

>You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
>hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
>landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles and
>oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
>power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
>I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
>backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me.
>Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
>Ty
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>(Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
>On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>>> car?
>>
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
>1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
>means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
>relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>>
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
>scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>>
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
>Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
>doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
>doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
>more acceptance.
>>
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
>There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
>on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
>They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
>pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>>
>> Randall
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Apr  2 14:22:13 2013
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:22:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <1364925918.55583.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <72479266.357425.1364934133494.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

"What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..



what becomes of the car"



I have two words......Big Block

Wouldn't that be a hoot. A supercharged GM big block running amidships in a
Prius.



jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: budscars at comcast.net
Cc: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:05:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars

not having an electric or hybrid type car I have an opinion... they are not as
'green' as they could be touted in the long run. The lithium batteries are not
forever batteries and at some date and time they will have to be disposed of.
I'm not sure of the re-cycling phase of that process... and lithium is not a
natural product found easily around the world...
I had a neighbor, Rick Perry (not the Texas governor) who was a 5 state
representative for Audi America.. (we own our third Audi) and his thought
about
diesel was pretty interesting... I think most of us 'racer' types have seen
what
Audi has done in the past with Formula 1 and diesel powered F1 super
cars....amazing success story I'm sure most will agree...but.. 100 mpg is not
a
stretch in the real world for a diesel powered vehicle in the near future...
diesel is a product that can be made out of natural products, like cooking
oil,
in the bio-diesel realm of things...
Seem to reason IMHO that diesel or bio-diesel could be a long term solution to
energy and 'green' standards for the future of consumer automobiles.... just a
thought.... B  Bobby Whitehead
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, April 1, 2013 11:20:09 AM
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are B no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Apr  2 16:23:53 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
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Hydrogen has to be produced also.  You can either extract it from the air or
strip it off of water molecules.  Both processes take energy, and if I
recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM
To: Randall
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars

You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles
and
oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
power....maybe not in my lifetime but.

I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped
me.
Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
the
>> car?
>
> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for
his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has
a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>
> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>
> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that
it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.
>
> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal
combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>
> Randall
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From weredinger at cox.net  Tue Apr  2 20:23:52 2013
From: weredinger at cox.net (Bill)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:23:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
References: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl><BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>
	<8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B79DB3124B2C4EB188C03E43C38D5E99@HomePC>

TR1 was a one off concept car used as the 1952 Earls Court, England, Show 
Car and was revised after the show to have a trunk and became a TR2 
Prototype, one of Ken Richardson's test cars. April Fools!

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype


>I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind.
>
> I don't think any prototypes survived.
>
> Someone on the list will likely know.....
>
> A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s.
>
> That was interesting.
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
>
>
> I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't 
> contemporary
> reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?
>
> Duncan Charlton
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:
>
>> Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr  3 12:08:11 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:08:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <9u9p0yw4k388jp42p5sn6rng.1364927073610@email.android.com>
References: <9u9p0yw4k388jp42p5sn6rng.1364927073610@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <515C700B.7030800@bradakis.com>

Doug Mitchell wrote:
> It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a Prius when you include battery disposal.
>
I recall something about the earlier Prius models being one of the most 
environmentally
unfriendly cars to produce.  I can't recall the exact details, but it 
involved the nickel for
the batteries being mined in South Africa, the ore shipped to a smelter 
in Spain, then
halfway around the world to be formed into sheets, then the sheets 
shipped to Canada
to be made into batteries, which were shipped to Japan and put into cars 
that were
shipped back to North America.  That's a LOT of miles to be covered, 
powered by
petroleum.

mjb.


From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Apr  3 12:22:18 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:22:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <446cf.21d71bec.3e8dcd59@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/03/2013 11:54:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' 
> than any electric or hybrid vehicle.
> 

You mean...British Racing Green?

Bill (Damdinger)


From billdentin at aol.com  Wed Apr  3 15:24:36 2013
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:24:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
Message-ID: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>

Amici...

More sad news.  Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
February)
broke loose from its Alabama mooring.  I still say we should initiate a
movement
to get Carnival to change the ship's name.

Bill (Damdinger)


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Apr  3 16:10:02 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:10:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>

To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :)

At least with TRABANT they could reuse some of the lettering.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 4:25 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...

Amici...

More sad news.  Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
February)
broke loose from its Alabama mooring.  I still say we should initiate a
movement
to get Carnival to change the ship's name.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Apr  3 16:22:44 2013
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:22:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
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A friend of mine's father was asked to inspect the boat post incident. The
stories are pretty amazing. Engine #1 apparently blew the glow plugs right out
of the head, which, when followed by lots of volatiles, lead to a pretty
spectacular fire.

On Apr 3, 2013, at 17:24, billdentin at aol.com wrote:

> Amici...
>
> More sad news.  Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
> February)
> broke loose from its Alabama mooring.  I still say we should initiate a
> movement
> to get Carnival to change the ship's name.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr  3 16:31:29 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>
References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
	<000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>
Message-ID: <515CADC1.5030103@bradakis.com>

Tim Murphy wrote:
> To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :)
>
MG would be pretty easy to spell ;-)

mjb.


From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Apr  3 16:54:59 2013
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:54:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <883350473-1365029698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1485343904-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>

I leased a chevy volt in dec 2012.. Three year deal. Since dec 10 I filled up w 8 gallons gas.  With another car I would have filled at least every ten days.    I have a solar panel array.  This past weekend I made about about 56KW per day.  As the days get longer the array generates perhaps 70+KW. 

The car is nearly noisless, gobs of instant torque and smooth.  I. Want to hot rod it and take it on the track.  Does scca have an all electric class?
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From ponobill at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 22:03:33 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:03:33 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
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I consider the Chevy Volt to be the best engineered and most practical of all
the electrics. The technology is superb, it's a real achievement.



On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:54 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote:

> I leased a chevy volt in dec 2012.. Three year deal. Since dec 10 I filled
up w 8 gallons gas.  With another car I would have filled at least every ten
days.    I have a solar panel array.  This past weekend I made about about
56KW per day.  As the days get longer the array generates perhaps 70+KW.
>
> The car is nearly noisless, gobs of instant torque and smooth.  I. Want to
hot rod it and take it on the track.  Does scca have an all electric class?
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 01:57:43 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:57:43 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
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One last comment and then I'll quit. the REAL issue holding back cheap,
efficient, "green" transportation is the mixed mode of transport. for a car to
be safe it has to survive on a road with trucks and existing two ton cars --
which is the average weight of cars in America, from the 3,200 pound Honda
Accord (most popular car) to the 5500 pound F150. There's no way to be super
efficient when you have to move two tons to carry one person--which is all the
average car has in it (well, 1.24 occupants, but its close enough). One ton
per person is ridiculous, especially when you have to climb hills, two is
insane. Should be something more like two hundred pounds per person. Easy to
do with carbon fiber and modern electric stuff. My tricycle weighs 65 pounds
and goes 65 MPH. Stops on a dime and gives you seven cents change. Of course
you have to be crazy to do that in mixed traffic, which is pretty much what
the cops have been telling me each time they catch me.

Next time you're stuck in traffic, picture all those massive cars replaced
with tiny, light, two person vehicles. Poof, traffic jam gone. Except in
Italy, where it's already happened but the roads were built for bicycles--or
maybe scooters.


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr  4 03:12:33 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:12:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304040509350.3927@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I'm not sure if this got posted earlier, but I tripped across this neat 
poster of the 2012 Pagoda Hillclimb... it's on the bottom of the BMR home 
page:

http://www.bmr-scca.org/

That sure looks a lot like Richard Good's hillclimb car...

Neat!

rml
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From rikrock at live.com  Thu Apr  4 08:39:16 2013
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:39:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo
Message-ID: <BLU403-EAS2402D261A3300FE610C87B4C6D90@phx.gbl>

Yes, that is Richard Good's car.  We do a poster every year advertising our
two hillclimbs.  It's Blue Mountain Region SCCA, not Blue Ridge.

Bob, are you still planning on coming to Pagoda Hillclimb in  June?  Entry
forms will be out soon.

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Robert M. Lang
Sent: 4/4/2013 5:45 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo

Hi,

I'm not sure if this got posted earlier, but I tripped across this neat
poster of the 2012 Pagoda Hillclimb... it's on the bottom of the BMR home
page:

http://www.bmr-scca.org/

That sure looks a lot like Richard Good's hillclimb car...

Neat!

rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr  4 09:22:00 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:22:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo
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On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Rich Rock wrote:

> Yes, that is Richard Good's car.  We do a poster every year advertising our
> two hillclimbs.  It's Blue Mountain Region SCCA, not Blue Ridge.

OOps.

> Bob, are you still planning on coming to Pagoda Hillclimb in  June?  Entry
> forms will be out soon.

I'm leaning that way. I finally got my medical forms all squared away and 
will get the application in the mail tomorrow for the SCCA novice 
time-trial license. So things are looking up.

There's an outside chance that I won't be able to make it, but at this 
stage it's actually a fairly remote chance.

Selling a house is a lot of work!

> Rich Rock

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From jkhagen at charter.net  Wed Apr  3 12:28:55 2013
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:28:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <785bba94.6621fa.13dd128a90c.Webtop.46@charter.net>

It's been said that the carbon footprint of building/buying a new car is 
about equal to driving it the average 7 years.  Soooo-stop waste 
"Recycle old race cars"
    John Hagen


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote:

> It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a 
> Prius when you include battery disposal.
>
> Full disclosure, I just took delivery of a hybrid, but it shares the 
> garage with a F150. The Triumphs reside in a separate garage.
>
> When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' 
> than any electric or hybrid vehicle.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doug
> --
> Doug Mitchell
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
>
> Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power 
>> plants,
>> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in 
>> a
>> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" 
>> vehicles and
>> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
>> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>>
>> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy 
>> was
>> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about 
>> clipped me.
>> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>>
>> Ty
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes 
>>>> of the
>>>> car?
>>>
>>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery 
>>> for his
>> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I 
>> suspect
>> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a 
>> Prius has a
>> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>>>
>>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it 
>>> gets
>> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>>>
>>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility 
>>> is in
>> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, 
>> but it
>> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so 
>> cheap that it
>> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric 
>> cars gain
>> more acceptance.
>>>
>>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal 
>>> combustion.
>> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting 
>> and so
>> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to 
>> claim.
>> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of 
>> the
>> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>>>
>>> Randall
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 14:33:04 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:33:04 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
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Yup. Numerous ways of making hydrogen, but all involve either natural gas or
methane as a feedstock plus steam to feed the reaction, or hydrolysis, using
electricity. It's just a transportable storage medium, the same as electricity
in batteries. And of course it takes more energy to produce it than it
releases when you recombine it. Trust good old themodynamics to apply a tax.

Transportable fuels require a lot of energy to make and transport, including
gasolene and diesel.

A common error is to just look at how much energy is required to obtain and
refine the fuel. It also takes energy to build and maintain the refineries,
and build, operate and maintain the transportation structure to and from the
refineries, build, maintain and operate the gas stations. Seven percent of the
energy in the US is used to operate refineries. Crank that up to include all
the infrastructure and transport costs and it's probably more like ten
percent. That works out to about 15KWH per gallon.

Gasolene energy equivalence is roughly 33 KWH/gallon

Ethanol generates about 25 KWH/gal. Ethanol gets a bad rap, mostly because the
early plants (1980) were inefficient. State of the art plants for corn-based
ethanol are nearly twice as efficient as early plants, and create co-products
that have value as feed, fertilizer, and plastic feedstock. An energy output
of around 84,000 BTUs/gallon requires 48,000BTUs/gal to produce and the
co-products are worth about 36,000 BTUs for a net energy gain of about 72,000
BTUs -- about 150%. That calculation includes all energy inputs, including
bulk transport, fertilizer, etc. but does not include the infrastructure
energy costs required to build refineries.

Of course corn used for ethanol starves a kid in india, so they say. That
arguement didn't work for me when my Mom told me to clean my plate. It remains
a bit thin today. Ultimately there's cellulosic ethanol, and if the ethanol
market keeps growing we'll be making that too. The yield is higher in terms of
energy in/energy out, but the infrastructure is more expensive. No one is
jumping on that. The co-products from cellulosic ethanol are more valuable
than corn-based. Good plastic feedstocks, surfactants, building materials,
specialized alchohols, etc.

Again, no easy answers, but facile statements like "ethanol takes more energy
to produce than it yields" is simply repeating what some flack got some lazy
reporters to publish.


On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:23 PM, "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:

> Hydrogen has to be produced also.  You can either extract it from the air
or
> strip it off of water molecules.  Both processes take energy, and if I
> recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: Randall
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars
>
> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles
> and
> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped
> me.
> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
> the
>>> car?
>>
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for
> his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I
suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has
> a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>>
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>>
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that
> it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars
gain
> more acceptance.
>>
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal
> combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>>
>> Randall
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Apr  3 16:39:37 2013
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:39:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>
Message-ID: <481466458.398561.1365028777282.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

With a couple well placed shaped charges we could call it ......Carnival Reef.

jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: billdentin at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...

To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :)

At least with TRABANT they could reuse some of the lettering.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 4:25 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...

Amici...

More sad news. B Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
February)
broke loose from its Alabama mooring. B I still say we should initiate a
movement
to get Carnival to change the ship's name.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Wed Apr  3 22:52:22 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:52:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP  too
References: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<000d01ce3051$6bfbee80$43f3cb80$@net>
Message-ID: <0DC6B17F42CE4A46B3EB7062FCBB5EC9@hpd530>

I'll be there.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "'marty sukey'" <trmarty at hotmail.com>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP too


>I will be going, it's a VRG event
>
> Thanks
> Mike 62 TR4
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 2007 West 32nd Street
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
> Fax:        814-864-7383
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of marty sukey
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:15 PM
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] PVGP too
>
> I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th
> weekend.
> Anybody else going to be there?
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Apr  4 13:37:14 2013
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:37:14 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <65C90AB5-71C9-46DD-87FA-F1D58E206FDA@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20130404193714.L5ZZ4.60397.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>

---- Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Seven percent of the
> energy in the US is used to operate refineries. 

I think there is something wrong with that number.  Refineries are powered primarily by electricity, and they just don't use that much electricity.

For example, http://goo.gl/Ag0dy reports that the US petroleum industry used approx 48E12 wH in 2005.  But our national consumption for 2005 was around 3800E12.  So oil refineries (which produce much more than just gasoline & diesel) only used about 1% of the electricity.

And gasoline production (only) for 2005 was about 130E9 gallons
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=wgfrpus2&f=w
meaning it took less than 400 wH per gallon of gasoline.

The only way I think you could get close to 7% is by counting petroleum that they take in and don't turn into energy sources; like asphalt and plastics.

It's really hard to beat pumping energy out of the ground ... until there isn't any left to pump out.  None of the "alternative" sources make much sense until we finally do run out of fossil fuels.  Of course, that particular sky has been reported to be falling for several decades now, but it hasn't happened yet.

Randall


From cregg.cowan at sri.com  Thu Apr  4 14:19:18 2013
From: cregg.cowan at sri.com (Cregg Cowan)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:19:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
Message-ID: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>

Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts,

In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the 
combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention
in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/).  The event is 
located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco.

Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for 
display (both new photos and vintage ones).
If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing to let 
us display them during the convention we would
be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your contribution.
We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to 11x17 or 
larger formats.

Thanks!

Cregg Cowan
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club


From clw2000 at msn.com  Thu Apr  4 14:46:19 2013
From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
References: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
Message-ID: <BLU154-W334DD36B0F1291DB0AAC69BFD90@phx.gbl>

Cregg -

I have tons of GT6 and Le Mans Spitfire pics that I can forward.  Let me know
if you prefer color or B&W or what.  Anyone else who wants to be copied, let
me know....

Thanks,

Chuck Watson


Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC









> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:19:18 -0700
> From: cregg.cowan at sri.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
>
> Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts,
>
> In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the
> combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention
> in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/). The event is
> located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco.
>
> Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for
> display (both new photos and vintage ones).
> If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing to let
> us display them during the convention we would
> be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your contribution.
> We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to 11x17 or
> larger formats.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cregg Cowan
> Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 14:52:06 2013
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
References: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
Message-ID: <004901ce3176$46aabe60$d4003b20$@com>

Check out my website, www.botchagaloop.net and see if you can find anything
you like.
If you want the 300dpi version send me the complete name(s) of the photo(s)
which is displayed.
Without that name I cannot dig the higher res copy out...

Give yourself a few days to peruse!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos
"Reality, it's not what you think." 


From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 15:08:57 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:08:57 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130404193714.L5ZZ4.60397.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
References: <20130404193714.L5ZZ4.60397.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <9E0EF74E-07E8-4F47-8D85-63A126957BC8@bnj.com>

The generally used rule of thumb for energy required to make gasolene is 13KWH
per gallon from all sources of energy required. That's a long way from 400
watt hours, which sounds kind of silly right up front. I don't recall the
source of the 7% number. I was pulling it from memory, and I think it includes
all energy used in refineries, not just electricity. There's a billion sources
on the web, but there's a lot of information gathered at this site, a strongly
slanted view, but the sources cited are reasonable and the guys conclusions
are both rational and interesting: http://www.evnut.com/gasoline_oil.htm

On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Seven percent of the
>> energy in the US is used to operate refineries.
>
> I think there is something wrong with that number.  Refineries are powered
primarily by electricity, and they just don't use that much electricity.
>
> For example, http://goo.gl/Ag0dy reports that the US petroleum industry used
approx 48E12 wH in 2005.  But our national consumption for 2005 was around
3800E12.  So oil refineries (which produce much more than just gasoline &
diesel) only used about 1% of the electricity.
>
> And gasoline production (only) for 2005 was about 130E9 gallons
> http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=wgfrpus2&f=w
> meaning it took less than 400 wH per gallon of gasoline.
>
> The only way I think you could get close to 7% is by counting petroleum that
they take in and don't turn into energy sources; like asphalt and plastics.
>
> It's really hard to beat pumping energy out of the ground ... until there
isn't any left to pump out.  None of the "alternative" sources make much sense
until we finally do run out of fossil fuels.  Of course, that particular sky
has been reported to be falling for several decades now, but it hasn't
happened yet.
>
> Randall
> _______________________________________________
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr  4 15:25:55 2013
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:25:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
Message-ID: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>

Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any preference for one photo sharing site over another? I have many old photos that I am scanning, as well as video clips that I would like to put on a sharing site for others to see.

Thanks,

Doug
--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net


From koblinger at verizon.net  Thu Apr  4 15:55:04 2013
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:55:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
Message-ID: <7648873.381556.1365112504304.JavaMail.root@vms170033>



From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr  4 16:14:35 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:14:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos,
 new and old   now  FOT WEBSITE.
In-Reply-To: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
References: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <8CFFF98ECAE3DC6-1374-FC6E@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>

We have a FRIEND'S OF TRIUMPH website, but we are looking for someone to
maintain it.

Mordy DUNST is the 'sponsor' of the site.

Henry FRYE  is the 'webmaster' of the site.

I believe we are presently looking for someone support Henry with edited
material and submissions, along with manipulating the material.

Perhaps Mordy and Henry can elaborate on this, more, but if anyone has any
skills in this arena, please speak up.

Thanks

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old


Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any preference for one
photo
sharing site over another? I have many old photos that I am scanning, as well
as
video clips that I would like to put on a sharing site for others to see.

Thanks,

Doug
--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
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fot at autox.team.net

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr  4 17:54:12 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:54:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELECTRIC CARS   >   ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT
Message-ID: <8CFFFA6D7094C13-1374-1042B@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>

Another dimension of electric travel......While we are at it.

Last year, I stopped to see legendary sailplane designer, George Applebay,
just outside Albuquerque, NM.  In his mid-80s, he is adapting electric power
assist to one of his sailplane designs.

Shortly, there will a conference in Santa Rosa, California on electric powered
flight.

A European aircraft manufacturer just completed the first of two 30 minute
flights.

Good to see this stuff going on, regardless of the outcomes. You never know
where it might lead.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Apr  4 18:07:16 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:07:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos,
 new and old   now   FOT WEBSITE.
In-Reply-To: <8CFFF98ECAE3DC6-1374-FC6E@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>
References: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
	<8CFFF98ECAE3DC6-1374-FC6E@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <515E15B4.5020905@bradakis.com>

One can go to the Team.Net forum [ link below ] and use the Triumph forum
for pics and such.

mjb.


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Apr  4 18:36:34 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:36:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank case ventin
Message-ID: <775BDD31-07EF-4E0C-BBD8-36EEC7D1D7C7@aol.com>

Amici

I know there was a topic about crankcase venting and a link to a website.  I
searched the archives and can't find it.

Please help


From cregg.cowan at sri.com  Thu Apr  4 23:13:54 2013
From: cregg.cowan at sri.com (Cregg Cowan)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:13:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <68f60.633e14d5.3e8f6672@aol.com>
References: <68f60.633e14d5.3e8f6672@aol.com>
Message-ID: <515E5D92.2080604@sri.com>

Thanks everyone for the enthusiastic response --- I'm thrilled and a 
little bit overwhelmed.  It will take a few days to digest all of the 
responses, but I will get back to each of you as soon as I can.

Certainly digital scans are the easiest to handle, but I'm not opposed 
to the idea of borrowing prints, making copies and sending back the 
originals.

What a group!

Best Regards,
Cregg

REK46 at aol.com wrote:
> wher do we send them, and can they be scans or computer photos or do 
> they have to be actual glossys?
>  
> In a message dated 4/4/2013 4:41:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> cregg.cowan at sri.com writes:
>
>     Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts,
>
>     In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the
>     combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention
>     in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/).  The event is
>     located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco.
>
>     Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for
>     display (both new photos and vintage ones).
>     If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing
>     to let
>     us display them during the convention we would
>     be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your
>     contribution.
>     We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to
>     11x17 or
>     larger formats.
>
>     Thanks!
>
>     Cregg Cowan
>     Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
>     _______________________________________________
>     fot at autox.team.net
>
>     http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Apr  5 10:15:58 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:15:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank case venting
Message-ID: <447D4B65-867C-4ACB-95C7-1CA6317F1D4F@aol.com>

Amici

Thank you for all the replies.   I now have what I was looking for. 

This list is awesome!

Thanks you all

Chris


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Apr  5 10:21:14 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:21:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Badges and flags
Message-ID: <237CB0DA-7DD4-4BCD-9F80-4FDBB7A52104@aol.com>

Amici

The Kastner Cup is approaching. Do you have your swag on?   

Flags $15 size is approx 23x34, printed on one side, grommets also. 

Grill badge $30, real gold, mounting hardware included. 

Both show the FOT crest as seen in the website. Pictures are available. 

Price includes shipping. 


Get them while they last. 

PayPal to SeaCubeCo at aol.com

Or check, MO, cash to
Chris Bock
19372 Handy Road
Bridgeville, DE 19933

Sincerely
Chris


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Apr  5 11:41:30 2013
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:41:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <5D.7B.04559.2CC0F515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any 
> preference for one photo sharing site over another?

I like Photobucket, it works better for me than the others I have tried.
They make it really easy to link to a single photograph, or an entire album.
Uploading is painless.  Although there is a size limit unless you pay for
the full service, the uploading process will automatically resize for you
rather than just refuse to work.  And they don't seem to mind that I have
most of the ads blocked.

One downside is that reorganizing your albums will break the link to
anything you move; and there isn't any way (that I've found) to replace a
photo without breaking the link.  Also it can be a pain to get a short link
to just the image instead of the entire web page (although maybe that's part
of a paid subscription).

http://www.photobucket.com/

-- Randall 


From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Apr  5 13:54:12 2013
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
	<001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com>
Message-ID: <515F2BE4.5090109@pobox.com>

It takes as much energy to convert water to hydrogen (and oxygen) as you 
get back when you burn it to get H20 back, minus those good old 
efficiency loses.  In thermodynamics there is never a free lunch. 
Storing hydrogen is one of the major problems, since it doesn't like to 
exist in liquid form and thus takes up a lot of space.  Since Oklahoma 
is a gas producing state, there is a lot of interest in CNG, but it has 
the same storage problem.  Nevertheless, a lot of public vehicles are 
being converted to CNG and a few filling stations are even showing up.  
Hydrogen seems like it would be very clean, but if all cars ran on it, 
how much would the humidity change in our cities?  Would Phoenix become 
more like Houston?  Not a happy thought.


On 4/2/2013 5:23 PM, Tim Murphy wrote:
> Hydrogen has to be produced also.  You can either extract it from the air or
> strip it off of water molecules.  Both processes take energy, and if I
> recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com(
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: Randall
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars
>
> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles
> and
> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped
> me.
> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
> the
>>> car?
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for
> his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has
> a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that
> it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
> more acceptance.
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal
> combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>> Randall
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr  6 00:06:04 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:06:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fun.
Message-ID: <515FBB4C.4070709@bradakis.com>

No power for 8 hours.  Possible hardware issues due to power bumps.
Computers can be fun.

mjb.


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Apr  6 07:32:48 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 09:32:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fun.
Message-ID: <6ed27.df26fc.3e917e00@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/06/2013 12:19:56 AM Central Standard Time, 
mark at bradakis.com writes:


> No power for 8 hours.  Possible hardware issues due to power bumps.
> Computers can be fun.
> 
> 

Mark...

I've had no power since June 20th, 1959, but she feeds me, and she says 
that she loves me.

Bill (Damdinger)


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sat Apr  6 10:38:27 2013
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 12:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR8 alloy wheels
Message-ID: <CALsVEtC51XaXsPgi-CLeFFJzqdaUL6v2AT_zfiF0PgG6tx4R1w@mail.gmail.com>

Someone had said they wanted the TR8 alloy wheels I had on my Spit.  I've
replaced them but now I can't remember who it was that wanted them.  If it
was someone on FOT please let me know.  Don


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:33:39 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:33:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>

Thought you might be interested to know, as of now there are 61 folks planning
on competition in the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. TR4 will be by far the
largest car group at 26 cars. I'm pretty sure that's a record turnout.
Everybody will be looking quite spiffy also as there are 100 event t-shirts on
order so far. There is still plenty of time to get your name added to the back
of the shirt and place an order.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:46:22 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>

Hi Marty,

Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von marty sukey
Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. April 2013 14:34
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup

Thought you might be interested to know, as of now there are 61 folks
planning on competition in the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. TR4 will be by
far the largest car group at 26 cars. I'm pretty sure that's a record
turnout.
Everybody will be looking quite spiffy also as there are 100 event t-shirts
on order so far. There is still plenty of time to get your name added to the
back of the shirt and place an order.
_______________________________________________
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:56:30 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>,
	<000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>

Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place
the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make
arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time
advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if you
don't have it.

Marty

----------------------------------------
> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
>
> Hi Marty,
>
> Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
> How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?
>
> Cheers


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:58:37 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:58:37 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>,
	<000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
	<BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000101ce338f$a0b6d680$e2248380$@com>

I need one for myself.
I'm tall and slim. No idea about the size.
L or XL?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: marty sukey [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. April 2013 14:56
An: MadMarx; FOT
Betreff: RE: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup

Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place
the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make
arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time
advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if
you don't have it.

Marty

----------------------------------------
> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
>
> Hi Marty,
>
> Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
> How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?
>
> Cheers
> Chris


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:58:46 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:58:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup oops
Message-ID: <BLU168-W118D518D270FAA3967B52F7BAC40@phx.gbl>

The Kastner Cup is at Road America this year. NOT Road Atlanta like I said in
my earlier email.


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Apr  7 07:23:51 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:23:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>
	<000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
	<BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48A52571-9323-455A-BE26-25BD413FEA32@aol.com>

I would like one XL shirt mailed to me

Thanks
Chris

On Apr 7, 2013, at 8:56 AM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place
> the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make
> arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time
> advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if
you
> don't have it.
>
> Marty
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
>> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
>>
>> Hi Marty,
>>
>> Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
>> How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?
>>
>> Cheers
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 18:42:12 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:42:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
Message-ID: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>

Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires?
I see them for the TR6's.

Thanks,


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Apr  7 21:50:15 2013
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:50:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1365393015.40152.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Marty:
According to the part numbers they are the same part.
-Ed-

--- On Sun, 4/7/13, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, April 7, 2013, 7:42 PM


Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires?
I see them for the TR6's.

Thanks,
_______________________________________________
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Apr  7 21:57:24 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 21:57:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <51624024.9070509@bradakis.com>

marty sukey wrote:
> Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires?
>

Is that the 1296 or the 1296?  I know the Mark 4 big journal 1296 is the
same as the TR6, and I think the small journal Mark 3 motor is the same,
but I'm not 100 percent positive.

mjb.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr  8 13:38:55 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 21:38:55 +0200
Subject: [Fot] My new tow car....
In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B340@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry>
	<5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> <002701ce0543$4905aee0$db110ca0$@com>
	<82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B21D@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
	<000901ce054b$8cd7ebd0$a687c370$@com>
	<82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B293@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
	<001501ce054e$241e5a40$6c5b0ec0$@com>
	<82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B340@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <000601ce3490$b65609f0$23021dd0$@com>

I was concerned if the Hummer H3  3.5L could tow my race car up steep hills
here in Europe.

As this car is made regular fuel I thought I could rise power and mileage
with some chip tuning.



So I bought an US software and created a new spark map.

Today was first test.with great result. Great torque, more top speed, and
it looks very promising for a better mileage.



I changed the ignition advance more to a racing style.



The stock total advance was 19 degree, now it has 29 degree which I dared
without a rolling road dyno test.



Next few days will show what consumption the car has with 98RON.



Cheers

Chris


From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Apr  9 16:12:55 2013
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:12:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [TR] FW: Windshield from Moss - Follow up
In-Reply-To: <000301ce3562$36855d20$a3901760$@net>
References: <000301ce3562$36855d20$a3901760$@net>
Message-ID: <107339F3C45145C0AD5DA21CDEDA11E8@Vista>

It could be that it was not cut wrong but was mislabeled.  There are two
different Spitfire windshields (up to 1970 and post 1970).  Since the
earlier ones also fit the other cars mentioned (including yours), that other
one may be a later Spit windshield that has been mislabeled or placed in the
wrong warehouse location.  Since Moss doesn't intentionally carry any
pre-1970 Spitfire parts, that may indeed be the issue.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Culligan
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:39 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] FW: Windshield from Moss - Follow up

I wrote:

  > I bought a windshield from Moss Motors back in January 2013.  It's for
my TR6 

>but it says it also fits TR4, Spits, GT6s, etc.  Well, it doesn't fit a
TR6.  The glass was 

>cut unevenly and the passenger side is too tall. Moss is sending a
replacement & 

>it is hoped that it will fit.  Just a word of caution.

 

The new windshield arrived and it fits just fine.  No idea how the 

other one got cut wrong. 

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U

 

PS. Someone asked if it's a Triplex - no, it's not. 

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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Wed Apr 10 06:30:44 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:30:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
Message-ID: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>

Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new 
race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.

Details at www.tr4racer.com

I'm running the car at VIR this weekend, and plan on the rest of my spring 
events with a For Sale sing on it, we'll see!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr 10 13:20:43 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:20:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA/FOT PLANNING - KASTNER CUP - 2013 ROAD AMERICA
Message-ID: <8D00437A16F6D55-30C-91E6@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

Just a note indicating the depth of planning:

VSCDA is allocating space for the TRIUMPH STREET CARS attending the KASTNER
CUP.

The space will be between the popular Turn 5 and Turn 6, honoring the fact
that we are the featured marque.

This fits in nicely with the Friends of Triumph Paddock Area & Garages across
from Turn 5.

REMINDER:  Reserve your garage space with Jason, ASAP.   (VSCDA TECH
INSPECTION will occur in these garages on THURSDAY afternoon)

We also in close proximity to the WELCOME DINNER on Friday Night. At that time
there will also be a 'TRIUMPH CAR SHOW' with both STREET TRs & and RACE
PREPARED TRs. The show is free and will be people's choice.

The FOT is getting a lot of attention, along with our VTR Brethren.





Joe Alexander
KASTNER CUP 2013
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Apr 10 14:06:08 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:06:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA/FOT PLANNING - KASTNER CUP - 2013 ROAD AMERICA
In-Reply-To: <8D00437A16F6D55-30C-91E6@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D00437A16F6D55-30C-91E6@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BA13D80C-4D36-4D1C-82C0-C596BB43AB70@gdhs.com>

Jason:  I think I have already sent you a pit reservation, but if not we have
a 60 foot Toterhome   Thanks
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> Just a note indicating the depth of planning:
>
> VSCDA is allocating space for the TRIUMPH STREET CARS attending the KASTNER
> CUP.
>
> The space will be between the popular Turn 5 and Turn 6, honoring the fact
> that we are the featured marque.
>
> This fits in nicely with the Friends of Triumph Paddock Area & Garages
across
> from Turn 5.
>
> REMINDER:  Reserve your garage space with Jason, ASAP.   (VSCDA TECH
> INSPECTION will occur in these garages on THURSDAY afternoon)
>
> We also in close proximity to the WELCOME DINNER on Friday Night. At that
time
> there will also be a 'TRIUMPH CAR SHOW' with both STREET TRs & and RACE
> PREPARED TRs. The show is free and will be people's choice.
>
> The FOT is getting a lot of attention, along with our VTR Brethren.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> KASTNER CUP 2013
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Apr 10 20:55:27 2013
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:55:27 +1000
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>

i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
TR with near stock ride height.
.
As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre

can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
work when viewed from above.

every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
appropriate " for the TR

thanks
Terry
Australia


From rjl6n at cstone.net  Thu Apr 11 05:48:10 2013
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:48:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness
happen.  Happy Birthday MJB!


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Apr 11 06:03:57 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:03:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <1896530A-0AC8-4AA9-B78B-0E4CB80A92E1@aol.com>

Happy Birthday MJB!

On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "R. John Lye" <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:

> Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness
> happen.  Happy Birthday MJB!
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr 11 06:16:18 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:16:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304110815540.5990@isis.mit.edu>

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, R. John Lye wrote:

> Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness
> happen.  Happy Birthday MJB!


LIKE!!!

rml
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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 07:30:23 2013
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:30:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 for Sale
Message-ID: <00d401ce36b8$b9050780$2b0f1680$@com>

Henry, you are selling your car too cheap.  If I wasn't spending a fortune
on getting my TR3 back on the track I would buy it in a minute!!  Good luck,
someone will be getting a great car at a great price!

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Apr 11 17:33:05 2013
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:33:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51674831.6020100@blacksburg.net>

On 4/10/2013 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
> i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
> TR with near stock ride height.
> .
> As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
> seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre
>
> can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
> want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
> regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
> work when viewed from above.
>
> every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
> not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
> appropriate " for the TR
>
> thanks
> Terry
> Australia
> _______________________________________________
>    
Terry, if you have comparative measurements between the TR4 fenders 
("wings") and the TR6, this info should help.  I have 16x7 VTO wheels 
with +12mm offset, 205/60/16 tires on my TR4 and I can tell you that my 
tires projected outside the fender lip by 1 1/4".  At the time of those 
measurements I had 0 camber.  I've since gone to negative camber and 
will put 195s on the car but haven't gotten there yet so can't report 
results.  BTW, +12mm offset is *wrong* for the TRs.  Well, unless you 
don't want to go to full lock.  I'd guess that 0 offset would probably work.

Are the Superlite folks still in business?  They're from your neck of 
the woods, and I should have kept my 15x6 Superlites instead of going 
this route.  Oh well, live and .... live.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Apr 11 17:52:00 2013
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:52:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nORpQtx2M+9abE+JV96sMiZQQkU7KDkN_NmOqpfoinxYOw@mail.gmail.com>

Terry,

I use 205/60/15's on stock wheels on my car with no issues whatsoever. I
seem to recall having had some 215/55's at one point as well with no
issues.

Bob


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track <
enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote:

> i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
> TR with near stock ride height.
> .
> As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
> seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre
>
> can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
> want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
> regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
> work when viewed from above.
>
> every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
> not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
> appropriate " for the TR
>
> thanks
> Terry
> Australia
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Apr 11 18:52:36 2013
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:52:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <51674831.6020100@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <1804272731.661862.1365727956409.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Jim,

The Superlites are no longer available in the US. Pack Racing used to sell
them but the factory

dropped the US market or so I'm told. I couldn't get the factory to return any
email either.

I have six of them now and tried to buy four more for rains & spares.

I have a set of matching VTO's on the way now. I can't reall y speak to your
clearance issues. I use 6x15's

with hoosier R6's & Toyo RA-1's in the 50 series. I have lowered springs and I
can tell you I

couldn't go any larger than 6" wide without either getting into the shock
tower or the fender lip.

Brad Burry at RaceKraft I think just found out his 15x7's on his TR6 won't
work without flairing the fe nders.

He's got it on the chassis jig now.

Maybe rolling the fender lip will do it for you but you'll be in danger
proximity to the shock tower in the front B without spacers

and then there's that fender again.

jim g


----- Original Message -----


From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:33:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6

On 4/10/2013 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
> i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
> TR with near stock ride height.
> .
> As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
> seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre
>
> can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
> want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
> regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
> work when viewed from above.
>
> every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
> not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
> appropriate " for the TR
>
> thanks
> Terry
> Australia
> _______________________________________________
> B  B 
Terry, if you have comparative measurements between the TR4 fenders
("wings") and the TR6, this info should help. B I have 16x7 VTO wheels
with +12mm offset, 205/60/16 tires on my TR4 and I can tell you that my
tires projected outside the fender lip by 1 1/4". B At the time of those
measurements I had 0 camber. B I've since gone to negative camber and
will put 195s on the car but haven't gotten there yet so can't report
results. B BTW, +12mm offset is *wrong* for the TRs. B Well, unless you
don't want to go to full lock. B I'd guess that 0 offset would probably work.

Are the Superlite folks still in business? B They're from your neck of
the woods, and I should have kept my 15x6 Superlites instead of going
this route. B Oh well, live and .... live.

jim

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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Apr 11 14:23:59 2013
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:23:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] The Gathering in Dobson, NC - (warning - commercial content)
Message-ID: <51671BDF.5060807@bright.net>

I will be attending this event at Dobson, NC as a vendor. If anybody 
needs me to bring specific parts, please let me know.  Free shipping is 
good, especially if you need large or heavy parts.  Order early - order 
often. See you there. Thanks for your time. Ted






















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Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 15:37:11 2013
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Garages
Message-ID: <01d101ce36fc$ba883430$2f989c90$@com>

Hello Jason,

I would like to use one of the garage spaces for my TR3.  I will have my
F350 Crew Cab pickup and a 24' enclosed trailer.  About 50' overall length.
Thanks!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319 (Mobile)


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri Apr 12 14:42:48 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:42:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 24 foot aluminum trailer for sale 40% off
Message-ID: <000001ce37be$4c600c40$e52024c0$@com>

My friend has a body shop and auction business where he auctions vehicles
that have been written off by insurance companies.  He has a 24 foot Legend
Deluxe V-Nose aluminum trailer, Model No. 721DVNTA35 that has been written
off because it was "jack knifed" while being moved and cracked the aluminum
tongue bracket.  The tongue was re-TIG welded, the same as the rest of the
aluminum frame but the owner did not want to accept it.  The weld is about 4
inches long.  It has never been used or had a car in it.  It was made to
haul a Legend race car.  The weight of the trailer is 2160 lbs. and the
payload is 4840 lbs. for a GVWR of 7000 lbs.  The full specifications can be
seen at www.legendmfginc.com.   To say that it is fully optioned would be an
understatement.  The cost of the trailer was about $9000 and the cost of the
options was about $10,000.  Total cost with tax was over $20,000.  It has
over 16 feet of flush mount E-track for tie down in the floor, a 16 foot
attached checkerboard awning and it is 6 inches taller than standard among
other options.  As noted above, the insurance company is heavily discounting
the trailer.

 

If interested e-mail contact at jeepsbodyshop.com for more information and a
complete list of the options.   Or call 920-921-1137 and ask for Jeep.  I've
seen it and it is very nice, to say the least.  It is located in the Fond du
Lac, Wisconsin area which is about 35 miles due west from Elkhart Lake.

 

No financial interest at all, just posting it for a friend.

 

Tim


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Fri Apr 12 14:54:19 2013
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:54:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
Message-ID: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>

Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?

thxx,
Bob


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 12 15:21:33 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:21:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>

Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's
But not 8's
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>
> thxx,
> Bob
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From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Fri Apr 12 15:51:41 2013
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:51:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
	<E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <E8D7DC6C6C98426F8B9762F9E3D802EF@TER2>

42 dcoe 8 carbs were fitted to Maserati 3500 cars.
                                                                             
                Greg Solow
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question


> Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's
> But not 8's
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>>
>> thxx,
>> Bob
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Apr 12 17:07:51 2013
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:07:51 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re; wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b1gWJrOE=gHVDrDOTQPE0ovziJ5TSV0BQLkoxRpdifDMg@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for all the replies guys. my car is a TR5 (same as 250) and when i
wrote the message I said TR5 or TR6, forgetting about the different width
of TR6 wings/fenders (whatever you call them)

So, back to basics,,,, who can comment on TR4 or 250 wheel tyre sizes

Terry


From kaskastner at gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 17:56:06 2013
From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:56:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Steering levers
Message-ID: <CAGiQU1Db2LrGOZe2YfjZq5aV8VOq_dEEd9T2XqTsWXqYis=W8A@mail.gmail.com>

Manufacturers make them of a mild steel that can be bent but not break.  If
it bends you can still steer, if it breaks you are off the road in most
cases. It is a saftey issue. Racers have been doing it for years.  Heat red
hot, and bend, easy to do. Mark the point to bend with chalk or a welders
pencil so you keep the heat away from the upright and on the spot you want
to bend.

*Never be beaten by equipment.*


From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Apr 12 21:58:51 2013
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:58:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
	<E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <8D0061257B36AE0-1EC4-46023@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com>

I have a 13 on my Spit

Bob T



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Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Apr 12, 2013 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question


Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's
ut not 8's
ent from my iPhone
On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?

 thxx,
 Bob
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Apr 12 22:43:26 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:43:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <5168E26E.5010008@bradakis.com>

Thanks for the birthday greetings!  This list is great!

mjb.


From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Apr 13 00:04:39 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:04:39 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39B298E9-E0C7-449C-8FBF-A6DD864296D6@bnj.com>

45DCOE9's are common as bellybuttons. 45 is the throat size (45 MM) DC means
dopio corpo or dual throat, O means horizontal (orizzontale) E means die cast,
and 9 is the variation number of the DCOE format. So that means if there is a
9 there's an 8, as well as 1 through 7, though how many of those survive is
hard to say. Once they got to DCOE9 the variation number never changed as far
as I know, though according to my weber book and Wikipedia there are at least
ten variations of the DCOE9 carb.

So yeah, there are eights, but they're just an earlier variant. My Maserati
Mistral has 45DCOE9's fitted in place of the troublesome Lucas fuel injection.
A common mod for Mistrals which made them slightly MORE reliable than a
rabbit's romance instead of slightly LESS.

As an aside, one really confusing thing about Webers is the emulsion tube
numbers. The reason no one is successful in getting emulsion tubes just right
is that they are not numbered according to flow rate (as  main, air
correction, and idle jets are) but by their chronological order of
manufacture. The number has NO meaning other than that.


On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>
> thxx,
> Bob
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Apr 13 00:21:43 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:21:43 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <39B298E9-E0C7-449C-8FBF-A6DD864296D6@bnj.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
	<39B298E9-E0C7-449C-8FBF-A6DD864296D6@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <FCA6B9F7-E409-481C-9167-BFC2B2FB26A9@bnj.com>

One last thing, the modern variation numbers for Weber DCOE carbs start with
15, so if you buy a new 40 mm carb from Weber it's a 40DCOE152 or 153 which
looks to be identical in almost every way except float design to a DCOE9. In
other words, no one at Weber is doing development work on carbs--surprise,
surprise.
On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:

> 45DCOE9's are common as bellybuttons. 45 is the throat size (45 MM) DC
means
> dopio corpo or dual throat, O means horizontal (orizzontale) E means die
cast,
> and 9 is the variation number of the DCOE format. So that means if there is
a
> 9 there's an 8, as well as 1 through 7, though how many of those survive is
> hard to say. Once they got to DCOE9 the variation number never changed as
far
> as I know, though according to my weber book and Wikipedia there are at
least
> ten variations of the DCOE9 carb.
>
> So yeah, there are eights, but they're just an earlier variant. My Maserati
> Mistral has 45DCOE9's fitted in place of the troublesome Lucas fuel
injection.
> A common mod for Mistrals which made them slightly MORE reliable than a
> rabbit's romance instead of slightly LESS.
>
> As an aside, one really confusing thing about Webers is the emulsion tube
> numbers. The reason no one is successful in getting emulsion tubes just
right
> is that they are not numbered according to flow rate (as  main, air
> correction, and idle jets are) but by their chronological order of
> manufacture. The number has NO meaning other than that.
>
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>>
>> thxx,
>> Bob
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From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Sat Apr 13 09:40:57 2013
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:40:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
Message-ID: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?

1147cc
Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.

Also if anyone
knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. 
I'm guessing they are
the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for 
sure.

Thanks,
Tim


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Apr 13 14:27:49 2013
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:27:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] re; wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b1gWJrOE=gHVDrDOTQPE0ovziJ5TSV0BQLkoxRpdifDMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b1gWJrOE=gHVDrDOTQPE0ovziJ5TSV0BQLkoxRpdifDMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5169BFC5.9070400@blacksburg.net>

On 4/12/2013 7:07 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
> thanks for all the replies guys. my car is a TR5 (same as 250) and when i
> wrote the message I said TR5 or TR6, forgetting about the different width
> of TR6 wings/fenders (whatever you call them)
>
> So, back to basics,,,, who can comment on TR4 or 250 wheel tyre sizes
>
> Terry
> _______________________________________________
>    
Terry, I just now dropped a plumb line from the outer lip of the fender, 
then measured from the hub surface: it measures 3 1/2 inches.  With that 
dimension you can calculate, for a given wheel offset and tire (tyre) 
width/aspect ratio, where the sidewall will be.

Now, if only I'd done this a month ago, I wouldn't be in my current 
predicament.  :-(

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 13 14:36:31 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:36:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000601ce3886$964a54f0$c2defed0$@com>

Hi,

I can't tell you anything about your number but the numbers on the old carbs
did tell about the jetting.
Sometimes the progression holes are slightly different.

Normally you can make all types of DCOE carbs work on your car.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Freitag, 12. April 2013 22:54
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Weber carb question

Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?

thxx,
Bob
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sun Apr 14 08:51:20 2013
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:51:20 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <000601ce3886$964a54f0$c2defed0$@com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com> <000601ce3886$964a54f0$c2defed0$@com>
Message-ID: <416FB2D6-1679-42AE-9B80-0F186788814E@virgin.net>

As car as I recall the DCOE08 was designated and jetted etc as an original
fitment on the mk1 lotus cortina, so I suspect most of the early 1600 twin cam
engines.

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Apr 2013, at 21:36, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can't tell you anything about your number but the numbers on the old
carbs
> did tell about the jetting.
> Sometimes the progression holes are slightly different.
>
> Normally you can make all types of DCOE carbs work on your car.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Bob Davis
> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. April 2013 22:54
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Weber carb question
>
> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>
> thxx,
> Bob
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Sun Apr 14 20:46:37 2013
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:46:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
Message-ID: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>

I haven't seen any chatter on the web about this.
There will be an MG - TR race at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix this year.
Called the British Heritage Race it will be sponsored by our friends at The
Roadster Factory.
The dates are July 19-21.
Anybody interested in learning about the pleasures and perils of racing thru
the streets of Schenley Park should talk to Jeff Snook.  Jeff, no doubt, has
more experience at the PVGP than any other FOT member.
see www.pittsburghvintagegrandprix.com.
Bruce


From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Apr 15 07:48:45 2013
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:48:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>

Tim:

I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process I
have had no issues with head gaskets.

The ARP numbers for the studs are:
	
Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
Nut - AJN 12-1
Washer - AJW 750N

They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 kit.

Robert MacKenzie



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?

1147cc
Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.

Also if anyone
knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. 
I'm guessing they are
the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.

Thanks,
Tim
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Apr 15 08:43:29 2013
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:43:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
Message-ID: <CB18DDA17C9643ABAF496B2517F43FA5@Vista>

I always re-torque once the engine comes up to operating temperature and is
still hot.  I got that tip from a scrap of paper that fell out of a NOS head
gasket many years ago.  It has served me well.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 6:49 AM
To: 'Tim Pettenati'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

Tim:

I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process I
have had no issues with head gaskets.

The ARP numbers for the studs are:
	
Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
Nut - AJN 12-1
Washer - AJW 750N

They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 kit.

Robert MacKenzie


From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Apr 15 09:07:20 2013
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:07:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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	<003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch when
the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
important.

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero> wrote:

> Tim:
>
> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
> gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
> overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process I
> have had no issues with head gaskets.
>
> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>
> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
> Nut - AJN 12-1
> Washer - AJW 750N
>
> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
kit.
>
> Robert MacKenzie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>
> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
>
> 1147cc
> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
>
> Also if anyone
> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs.
> I'm guessing they are
> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Apr 15 09:18:01 2013
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:18:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
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I don't recommend you tonguing or torquing them hot ;).  Stupid auto correct!

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Chuck Gee <chasgee at aol.com> wrote:

> Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
> ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch
when
> the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
> important.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero>
wrote:
>
>> Tim:
>>
>> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
>> gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
>> overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process
I
>> have had no issues with head gaskets.
>>
>> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>>
>> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
>> Nut - AJN 12-1
>> Washer - AJW 750N
>>
>> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
> kit.
>>
>> Robert MacKenzie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
>> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>>
>> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
>>
>> 1147cc
>> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
>>
>> Also if anyone
>> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs.
>> I'm guessing they are
>> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Apr 15 09:32:01 2013
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:32:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <B3D73E0B-185D-47EC-A0BD-7705242633FA@aol.com>
References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero><BEAF639C-D360-4DF7-B336-EDF3096328A5@aol.com>
	<B3D73E0B-185D-47EC-A0BD-7705242633FA@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0E93BB01C7624ED5A50FD87CA278E33E@Vista>

I haven't had any problems with this method, while I have seen a lot of
blown head gaskets on engines that have not had it done.  Admittedly, it is
more of an issue if you are not using ARP head bolts.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Gee
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 8:18 AM
To: Robert MacKenzie
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

I don't recommend you tonguing or torquing them hot ;).  Stupid auto
correct!

Chuck


From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Apr 15 11:00:17 2013
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:00:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
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	<003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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Just to clarify; I do re-torque again after the engine is run and cooled.
If I recall correctly I was given the 60 lbs figure from ARP.

Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:07 AM
To: Robert MacKenzie
Cc: Tim Pettenati; <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch when
the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
important.

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero> wrote:

> Tim:
> 
> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a 
> Payen gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let 
> the head sit overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since 
> following this process I have had no issues with head gaskets.
> 
> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>    
> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
> Nut - AJN 12-1
> Washer - AJW 750N
> 
> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
kit.
> 
> Robert MacKenzie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
> 
> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
> 
> 1147cc
> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
> 
> Also if anyone
> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. 
> I'm guessing they are
> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tim
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Apr 15 11:07:10 2013
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:07:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <000601ce39fa$b74431b0$25cc9510$@aero>
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	<003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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	<000601ce39fa$b74431b0$25cc9510$@aero>
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Yes, 60 is the number if using regular oil.

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 11:00 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero> wrote:

> Just to clarify; I do re-torque again after the engine is run and cooled.
> If I recall correctly I was given the 60 lbs figure from ARP.
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:07 AM
> To: Robert MacKenzie
> Cc: Tim Pettenati; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>
> Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
> ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch
when
> the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
> important.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero>
wrote:
>
>> Tim:
>>
>> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a
>> Payen gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let
>> the head sit overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since
>> following this process I have had no issues with head gaskets.
>>
>> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>>
>> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
>> Nut - AJN 12-1
>> Washer - AJW 750N
>>
>> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
> kit.
>>
>> Robert MacKenzie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
>> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>>
>> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
>>
>> 1147cc
>> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
>>
>> Also if anyone
>> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs.
>> I'm guessing they are
>> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
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>>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Apr 16 08:04:57 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:04:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1958 Triumph TR3 head light rim...
Message-ID: <16255f.2f47e25e.3e9eb489@aol.com>

Amici...

Bob Wismer's son-in-law, Doug Allison, is the new owner of our Tornado 
Thunder Bolt, and since after 111 racing events, it has been retired from 
racing, he is in the process of a complete restoration and conversion into a fancy 
street roadster.  This includes getting all of the lights working again.  
He is in need of one (-1-) 1958 TR3 head light rim.  I am unfamiliar with 
this rim, but Doug describes it as being 'split', with a screw to hold it 
together when in place.  He has one, but needs another.  Does anyone have one 
they would be willing to part with?  

Bill Dentinger


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 16 08:20:52 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:20:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already,
 checked out  the...
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Message-ID: <8D008C4BBCB20C8-76C-64E5A@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

If you have any history or interest in GREENWOOD, a racetrack from the 60s
near Des Moines, IA, see the links below.

At least two of our FOT are taking a leadership role in organization and a few
of us have expressed an interest in attending.

Steve Myer  (SKUNK RIVER RESTORATIONS)    and   Shawn Frank

There's amazing history here in it's short lived existence.
greenwoodrevival.com  is a website location and it appears on FACEBOOK as
well.  see below.

Yes! The track still exists...it was far enough out of town to avoid the
dreaded suburban sprawl.

Perhaps Shawn Frank can jump in and provide more detail.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com



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Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 8:55 am
Subject: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out the...








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Eric Wieland
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If you have not already, checked out the Greenwood Revival Page for more
information on the 50th anniversary event on June 8th.

 https://www.facebook.com/GreenwoodRevival




Greenwood Revival
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 16 11:24:12 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] GROUP 44  KCUP 2013
Message-ID: <8D008DE5881ACEF-76C-6660E@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

Does anyone know of any G-44 cars or cars that had a relationship to Group
44?

I am aware of a couple that may be coming, but I'd like to pin it down.

I know that Bill Warner is aware of our event, but have had no direct contact
with him.

Thanks for your help....

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From REK46 at aol.com  Tue Apr 16 12:40:12 2013
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:40:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pinion sels/Spitfire 1296 and 1500
Message-ID: <16a1d1.138c0b11.3e9ef50c@aol.com>

Does anyone have Spitfire front pinion seal numbers for the small and large 
 diffs for seals made by aftremarket people like National or  
Cr,etc..?....rick(can't find my notes)


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Apr 16 16:54:09 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:54:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001ce3af5$4efec100$ecfc4300$@com>

I had to look in my notebooks to find some of the info, hence the delay.  On
my street TR5 I originally had European 185/HR15, fronts were Michelin XVS
and rears were Continental TS792.  I replaced them for 2 reasons, I didn't
know how old they were but thought probably 10 years and secondly, the spare
didn't fit in the trunk well!  Plus they just didn't look right on the car,
looked way too big due to their design (extra wide sidewall to provide curb
protection) and the size.  I replaced them with the Vredestein 175/70 HR 15,
which fit in the tire well in the trunk and they look right on the car.  The
wheels are Dunlop wires made in India under license, 5-1/2 K X 15 X 457C.  I
have no idea what the 457C is and I don't know what the offset is.  I could
pull the spare out and try and measure it but am not sure how to go about it
with the  splined hub.  Don't know if this is of any use to you, but that's
what delete keys are for:)

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6

i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
TR with near stock ride height.
.
As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre

can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
work when viewed from above.

every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
appropriate " for the TR

thanks
Terry
Australia
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From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 17 05:54:39 2013
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 04:54:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] postings
Message-ID: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

     some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!!


     John Wagner
   
 Just the wrench
     j.wags63 at yahoo.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr 17 10:09:23 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:09:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Message-ID: <8D0099D0F20EEEB-232C-2099@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.

Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
Cup.

He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought
he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
kknight at klaenv.com

Please add KEN to the list, Mark.

Thanks!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 11:41:11 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:41:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] postings
In-Reply-To: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <516EDEB7.1070607@bradakis.com>

John Wagner wrote:
>       some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!!
>

I'll look into it.

mjb.


From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Apr 17 11:45:50 2013
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:45:50 +0000
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Message-ID: <249597626-1366220751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-859079377-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>

Welcome Ken....  The new Mr. Fast!!
M
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To: FOT
Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM

FOT

Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.

Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
Cup.

He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought
he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
kknight at klaenv.com

Please add KEN to the list, Mark.

Thanks!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From mmoore at wave1.net  Wed Apr 17 11:55:34 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:55:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
Message-ID: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit

 

Thanks

Mike

 

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

 

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 12:11:04 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:11:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] postings
In-Reply-To: <516EDEB7.1070607@bradakis.com>
References: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<516EDEB7.1070607@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <516EE5B8.6000804@bradakis.com>

> John Wagner wrote:
>>       some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!!
>>
>

Yahoo is clueless:

Apr 17 12:00:42 autox postfix/qmgr[1917]: 561C142EF0: 
to=<xxxx at yahoo.com>, relay=none, delay=267409, delays=267409/0.16/0/0, 
dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: host 
mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[74.6.136.244] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 
[TS01] Messages from 166.70.156.34 temporarily deferred due to user 
complaints - 4.16.55.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html)


You should get this message, I'm trying a temporary workaround.

mjb.


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Apr 17 12:29:23 2013
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:29:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4.1366221603.10205.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.4.1366221603.10205.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF040921AD.8EF51C2F-ON85257B50.006540E2-85257B50.006595F6@us.ibm.com>

Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting
price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi
d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true

Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island


mike h

G. Michael Harmuth


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 13:13:37 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:13:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stupid Yahoo
Message-ID: <516EF461.6040307@bradakis.com>

Okay, I think all those folks with a yahoo.com or btinternet address have
been set up so they will get FOT mail.  I'll keep a close eye on things and
make further adjustments as necessary.

mjb.


From gp89 at charter.net  Wed Apr 17 14:59:45 2013
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:59:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
Message-ID: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>

Hmmm, wife says nooooo

Jeff Senty


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote:

> Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, 
> starting
> price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.
>
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi
> d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true
>
> Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island
>
>
> mike h
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From riverside at southslope.net  Wed Apr 17 15:46:43 2013
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:46:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already,
 checked out  the...
In-Reply-To: <8D008C4BBCB20C8-76C-64E5A@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
References: <511379555565457-506625886040824@groups.facebook.com><f41471e5c519c186cddbbb7ee7d44863@async.facebook.com>
	<8D008C4BBCB20C8-76C-64E5A@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8318C5BAC8214B86A3F985C477A81584@rileyPC>

I attended my first ever road race there in 1964 at age 16.  That USRRC
race with Cobras and Chapparals was electrifying to me and helped me
acquire the determination to become a road racer.   My next race there,
Greenwood's final race, introduced me to Triumph race cars.

One of my friends who was with me back in '64 is helping me and a chap
in England digitize the track so it can be driven on Grand Prix legends.
This work included a couple slow laps and the track was very special
in the areas of elevation change and corner variety. It would be a
great restoration project!

Wish us luck.   If the results are worth the effort, we may try to do
MAR at Wentzville and Meadowdale.

art de armond

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe Alexander
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:20 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out 
the...

FOT:

If you have any history or interest in GREENWOOD, a racetrack from the 60s
near Des Moines, IA, see the links below.

At least two of our FOT are taking a leadership role in organization and a 
few
of us have expressed an interest in attending.

Steve Myer  (SKUNK RIVER RESTORATIONS)    and   Shawn Frank

There's amazing history here in it's short lived existence.
greenwoodrevival.com  is a website location and it appears on FACEBOOK as
well.  see below.

Yes! The track still exists...it was far enough out of town to avoid the
dreaded suburban sprawl.

Perhaps Shawn Frank can jump in and provide more detail.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Wieland <notification+oyscz2f6 at facebookmail.com>
To: Greenwood Roadway <greenwoodroadway at groups.facebook.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 8:55 am
Subject: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out the...








Eric Wieland posted in Greenwood Roadway





Eric Wieland
8:55am Apr 16


If you have not already, checked out the Greenwood Revival Page for more
information on the 50th anniversary event on June 8th.

https://www.facebook.com/GreenwoodRevival




Greenwood Revival
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Wed Apr 17 16:35:30 2013
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:35:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
In-Reply-To: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>
References: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>
Message-ID: <516F23B2.8020105@charter.net>

Nicely done
I have the same flares on my race car.
Any organizations accept those for vintage or do I have to convert back 
to steel?
Can I do Steel Flares?
Glenn

On 4/17/2013 4:59 PM, Jeff Senty wrote:
> Hmmm, wife says nooooo
>
> Jeff Senty
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote:
>
>> Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting
>> price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi 
>>
>> d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true
>>
>> Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island
>>
>>
>> mike h
>>
>> G. Michael Harmuth
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>>
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 17 17:17:47 2013
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:17:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Message-ID: <13826628.1366240667496.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

He's super quick and his immaculate TR4 doesn't leak.

~Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: gasket.works at gte.net
>Sent: Apr 17, 2013 10:45 AM
>To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>Subject: Re: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>
>Welcome Ken....  The new Mr. Fast!!
>M
>------Original Message------
>From: Joe Alexander
>Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>To: FOT
>Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM
>
>FOT
>
>Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.
>
>Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
>Cup.
>
>He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought
>he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
>kknight at klaenv.com
>
>Please add KEN to the list, Mark.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Joe Alexander
>A. R. E.
>645 1st Street
>Jesup, Iowa 50648
>319.464.4711  (cell)
>n197tr4 at cs.com
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Apr 17 19:23:04 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:23:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
In-Reply-To: <13826628.1366240667496.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <13826628.1366240667496.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <971F0B32-F6DF-4E3F-A76F-C543ADC99F72@gdhs.com>

No comment on fast, but my 3 doesn't leak either.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:17 PM, steve <colordog.1 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> He's super quick and his immaculate TR4 doesn't leak.
>
> ~Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gasket.works at gte.net
>> Sent: Apr 17, 2013 10:45 AM
>> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>>
>> Welcome Ken....  The new Mr. Fast!!
>> M
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Joe Alexander
>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>> To: FOT
>> Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>> Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>> Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM
>>
>> FOT
>>
>> Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.
>>
>> Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
>> Cup.
>>
>> He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I
thought
>> he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
>> kknight at klaenv.com
>>
>> Please add KEN to the list, Mark.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>> A. R. E.
>> 645 1st Street
>> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>> 319.464.4711  (cell)
>> n197tr4 at cs.com
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 17 20:35:04 2013
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:35:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails for
 several days.
Message-ID: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

You guys didn't kick me off did you?  
 
Mike Mehl #46 TR4


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 20:38:37 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails
 for several days.
In-Reply-To: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <516F5CAD.6070503@bradakis.com>

Mike Mehl wrote:
> You guys didn't kick me off did you?
>   
>

Yahoo did.  Don't blame me.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 20:50:05 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails
 for several days.
In-Reply-To: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <516F5F5D.3040206@bradakis.com>

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2013-04/msg00135.html

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2013-04/msg00137.html


mjb.


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 06:09:13 2013
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:09:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
In-Reply-To: <516F23B2.8020105@charter.net>
References: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>
	<516F23B2.8020105@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9Np8LXJi_0MCBaCft3W0NjpWyOFrVWz7yr0UFO3fqBK7g@mail.gmail.com>

nice looking car, too bad it is across the water...it might sell
quicker....looks like someone spent some time on it...it's in "Bill B. "
backyard over there !


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:

> Nicely done
> I have the same flares on my race car.
> Any organizations accept those for vintage or do I have to convert back to
> steel?
> Can I do Steel Flares?
> Glenn
>
>
> On 4/17/2013 4:59 PM, Jeff Senty wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, wife says nooooo
>>
>> Jeff Senty
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote:
>>
>>  Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting
>>> price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/**ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-**
>>> Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi>
>>> d=p3984.m1423.l2649&**ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&**forcev4exp=true
>>>
>>> Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island
>>>
>>>
>>> mike h
>>>
>>> G. Michael Harmuth
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>>>
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>


-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Apr 18 07:20:34 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:20:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>

The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly 
less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only 
3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank, 
Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights, 
and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the 
case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that 
the car still pulled well in OD.

That's an expensive 3 seconds...

I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy 
with marketing the car.

BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I 
will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


> Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new 
> race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.
>
> Details at www.tr4racer.com 


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 18 07:40:09 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:40:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>

Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!! 


John H. Hasty
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:21 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car

The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly
less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only
3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank,
Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights,
and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the
case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that
the car still pulled well in OD.

That's an expensive 3 seconds...

I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy
with marketing the car.

BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I
will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


> Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new 
> race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.
>
> Details at www.tr4racer.com 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Apr 18 08:29:26 2013
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:29:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <mailman.235.1638251587.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took 
just enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.

Tony Drews

At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
>
>
>John H. Hasty
>Attorney At Law
>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>719 East Boulevard
>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>Tele: (704) 372-5600
>Fax: (704) 372-4601
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:21 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly
>less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only
>3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank,
>Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights,
>and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the
>case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that
>the car still pulled well in OD.
>
>That's an expensive 3 seconds...
>
>I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy
>with marketing the car.
>
>BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I
>will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto!
>
>Henry
>yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
>Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
> > Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new
> > race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.
> >
> > Details at www.tr4racer.com


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Apr 18 08:42:32 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:42:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
Message-ID: <B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>

No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have 
thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!

Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is stopping 
him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a 
repeat at Summit Point next month!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just 
> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 12:11:23 2013
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:11:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>

Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying to
figure out how to get to 170hp :)

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have
> thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>
> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is stopping
> him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a
> repeat at Summit Point next month!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just
>> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Apr 18 12:31:20 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:31:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
	<B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>

Moldex, Carillo's, Gillaners #24 cam, custom pop up pistons, Abacus head and 
some dyno time got me 145 at the rear wheels. I extrapolated the 170...

 ;-)

Like I said, that was a lot of cash for 3 seconds!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying 
to figure out how to get to 170hp :) 


From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 13:31:51 2013
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:31:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
	<B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <005a01ce3c6b$60c00fd0$22402f70$@rr.com>

Well, what's worse is the rumor Henry is getting a Citroen 2CV prepped as
his next racer. Well we all know how accurate rumors are. Probably started
by a jealous MG jockey!  ;-)
russ

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Kramer
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:11 PM
To: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car

Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying
to figure out how to get to 170hp :)

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could 
> have thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>
> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is 
> stopping him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, 
> hoping for a repeat at Summit Point next month!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took 
>> just enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 13:49:37 2013
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:49:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <005a01ce3c6b$60c00fd0$22402f70$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20130418194937.47XR6.55507.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>

---- Spitfire Racing <Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: 
> Well, what's worse is the rumor Henry is getting a Citroen 2CV prepped as
> his next racer. 

170hp in a 2CV.  As Jeff Foxworthy said, "That's a bad mental image, right there."

Randall


From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Apr 18 15:50:03 2013
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:50:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local><F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local><02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local><20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com><B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local><B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
	<DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local><F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local><02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local><20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com><B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local><B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
	<DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds28EF22D7B2ADC6784A5E7C3CF0@phx.gbl>

The last increments of performance are always the most costly.

It was ever thus.

Terry Stetler


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 16:01:19 2013
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
	<B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5A77FBC2-6821-4E9D-820F-2F59BD3C1F5D@austin.rr.com>

......when we are not wondering just what yellow demon Henry is concocting in
his man cave.

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying
to
> figure out how to get to 170hp :)
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:
>
>> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have
>> thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>>
>> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is
stopping
>> him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a
>> repeat at Summit Point next month!
>>
>> Henry
>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>>
>>
>>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just
>>> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>>
>>> Tony Drews
>>>
>>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Fri Apr 19 08:23:27 2013
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:23:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 Weber DCOE manifold
Message-ID: <20130419142328.S53BR.130748.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

Searching for a Weber 45 dcoe manifold for the big 4 cyl TR to buy. Just the manifold. Any leads are much appreciated.

Thxx,
Bbob


From list at mackenzie.aero  Fri Apr 19 08:40:46 2013
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches?
Message-ID: <000901ce3d0b$e2396570$a6ac3050$@aero>

Does anybody have any experience with Specifically the 7.25 inch V-drive.
This will be for an 1147 Spitfire.

Robert MacKenzie
Austin Texas


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 19 11:56:16 2013
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:56:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails
 for several days.
Message-ID: <fr2ghj5cl7v7eftq6tis7kku.1366394176356@email.android.com>

All of a sudden, I am receiving a number of emails from the last 4-5 days. Thought I'd been dropped the list as well. Burped up a whole bunch.

Cheers,

Doug
--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

>Mike Mehl wrote:
>> You guys didn't kick me off did you?
>>   
>>
>
>Yahoo did.  Don't blame me.
>
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr 19 06:42:39 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:42:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local><F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local><02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local><20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com><B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local><B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
	<DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>
	<BAY164-ds28EF22D7B2ADC6784A5E7C3CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B928CB507F664011A366FC0D98D7E072@TRIUMPH.local>

Truer words were never spoken... Does make me wonder how I got here,
though...

Wait, oh, yeah... I remember now!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Terry Stetler
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


  The last increments of performance are always the most costly.

  It was ever thus.

  Terry Stetler


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 19 16:06:56 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:06:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] WG:  My new tow car....
Message-ID: <000b01ce3d4a$3730c3a0$a5924ae0$@com>

Well..some tuning did make it better:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRODEzC5GmY
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRODEzC5GmY&feature=youtu.be>
&feature=youtu.be



Cheers

Chris (Maybe I should develop GM cars?)


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Fri Apr 19 17:17:31 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:17:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
In-Reply-To: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <1366413451.74004.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

In checking tire temps in order to determine best pressure, it looks like the
middle temp can be a bit deceiving.  After tires were up to temp, I lowered
the 
pressure 4 degrees and the center to the outsides changed very little. 
This is 
autocrossing.  Would it be because the car (TR6) is light?  Jim


From bluebit at comcast.net  Fri Apr 19 18:25:34 2013
From: bluebit at comcast.net (Jim%20Roelofs)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:25:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>
Message-ID: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?


Jim Roelofs
303-862-7270 (h)
720-321-1165 (w)
bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit

B 

Thanks

Mike

B 

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Erie, PA 16508

B 

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Apr 19 18:40:49 2013
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:40:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>,
	<1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7681boov9enxwdqr4bavonjy.1366418438800@email.android.com>

That was the same price listed here in Appleton, but there was a $2 per quart
credit at the register.

Scott B.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
sbarr at mccarty-law.com<mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com>


Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:

That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?


Jim Roelofs
303-862-7270 (h)
720-321-1165 (w)
bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit

B

Thanks

Mike

B

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

B

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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 19:33:36 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only $3
per quart.  Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for
along time.  The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see what
the current net price was, but there was no discount.

Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>
> B
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 19 20:04:39 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 22:04:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>

Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you want
the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:

> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>
>
> Jim Roelofs
> 303-862-7270 (h)
> 720-321-1165 (w)
> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>
> B
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> B
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> B
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Fri Apr 19 20:49:51 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 22:49:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530>

Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their "Non-street 
legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives.
I  bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt.
In the 70's  Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil. 
Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline.
With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool. 
ZDDPlus makes it really slippery.
NFI.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you 
> want
> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>
>>
>> Jim Roelofs
>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>
>> B
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> B
>>
>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>
>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>
>> Erie, PA 16508
>>
>> B
>>
>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>
>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 19 21:58:53 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 23:58:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530>
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	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530>
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Ah..... Obviously a democrat, give them someone else's stuff and you have
their vote forever..... Oops, sorry, I couldn't help it........ I
apologize.... The devil made me do it!

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:49 PM, "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
wrote:

> Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their "Non-street
legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives.
> I  bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt.
> In the 70's  Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil.
Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline.
> With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool.
ZDDPlus makes it really slippery.
> NFI.
> Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>
> Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
>
>> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you
want
>> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Roelofs
>>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>>
>>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>>
>>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>>
>>> Erie, PA 16508
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>>
>>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Sat Apr 20 04:23:03 2013
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:23:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
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Why would someone risk their engine for the sake of a few dollars cheaper
oil? Let's put this in perspective. The cost of a reasonable running
"vintage" engine these days runs between $5k and $10k, some even more. Maybe
you can save $12 on each oil change but that is nothing compared to the
expense of a refresh or rebuild of an engine. I am not a petro-chemical
engineer but have read reports by some who are. The impressions I got is
that by far the safest and easiest way to insure proper amounts of
lubrication additives was to go with an oil like Brad Penn.
Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinions but if the saving of a
few dollars is a primary parameter in your choice of oil, do look at the big
picture. Vintage racing is expensive these days and will continue to be.
Auger into your considerations also the cost of entry and transportation
fees for a weekend where you become a spectator due to an engine failure.
These are significant sums for many of us. To coin a clichi; "Choose
wisely!"

I even use B.P. in the street cars in my collection with flat tappet
engines.

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Hasty
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:05 PM
To: Jim%20Roelofs
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you want
the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:

> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>
>
> Jim Roelofs
> 303-862-7270 (h)
> 720-321-1165 (w)
> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>
> B
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> B
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> B
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>
> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Apr 20 05:33:14 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:33:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hawaii...And Triumph Race Car.
In-Reply-To: <8D00B974909DF27-16C0-1452F@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CFE382118DD0ED-16CC-A1DA3@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>
	<8D00B974909DF27-16C0-1452F@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8D00BD1FA977473-8B0-18E2C@webmail-d205.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

Robert asked me to post this.....(Robert is the guy that had TR2   TS1 LO
with us at Watkins Glen. He has since sold TS1 LO and appears to selling off
the rest of his car collection)  Oddly, I was minutes away from the Spitfire,
but never saw it.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------

 Aloha, Joe!



Would you mind, as a favor, simply posting on FoT for the members to take a
look at eBay

Item number:

200915790424


Thank you, Joe. The car has a bid at $4000 and I will likely keep it on eBay
and sell on Sunday, but the trailer, spare Panasports and new sticky tires,
spare parts, and manuals/provenance make the car a real bargain at $4000.

Thanks so much, and come back and see us! Robert P. Smith


From mmoore at wave1.net  Sat Apr 20 05:35:20 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:35:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
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Yes I got it for 3.99 qt



Thanks

Mike



Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508



Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383



From: Jim%20Roelofs [mailto:bluebit at comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:26 PM
To: Mike Moore
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil



That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?

Jim Roelofs
303-862-7270 (h)
720-321-1165 (w)
bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)



  _____

From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit



Thanks

Mike



Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508



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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 05:40:14 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:40:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>

It's not always all about price.
Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual 
stuff, why not?
I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had 
sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
Cheers, Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com>
To: "'John Hasty'" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>; "'Jim%20Roelofs'" 
<bluebit at comcast.net>
Cc: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Why would someone risk their engine for the sake of a few dollars cheaper
> oil? Let's put this in perspective. The cost of a reasonable running
> "vintage" engine these days runs between $5k and $10k, some even more. 
> Maybe
> you can save $12 on each oil change but that is nothing compared to the
> expense of a refresh or rebuild of an engine. I am not a petro-chemical
> engineer but have read reports by some who are. The impressions I got is
> that by far the safest and easiest way to insure proper amounts of
> lubrication additives was to go with an oil like Brad Penn.
> Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinions but if the saving of 
> a
> few dollars is a primary parameter in your choice of oil, do look at the 
> big
> picture. Vintage racing is expensive these days and will continue to be.
> Auger into your considerations also the cost of entry and transportation
> fees for a weekend where you become a spectator due to an engine failure.
> These are significant sums for many of us. To coin a clichi; "Choose
> wisely!"
>
> I even use B.P. in the street cars in my collection with flat tappet
> engines.
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of John Hasty
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:05 PM
> To: Jim%20Roelofs
> Cc: FOT
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you 
> want
> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>
>>
>> Jim Roelofs
>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>
>> B
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> B
>>
>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>
>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>
>> Erie, PA 16508
>>
>> B
>>
>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>
>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
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>>
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 05:42:00 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:42:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530>
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List: my reply went straight to John.
End of discussion.
Peace,
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
Cc: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Ah..... Obviously a democrat, give them someone else's stuff and you have 
> their vote forever..... Oops, sorry, I couldn't help it........ I 
> apologize.... The devil made me do it!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:49 PM, "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their 
>> "Non-street legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives.
>> I  bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt.
>> In the 70's  Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil. 
>> Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline.
>> With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool. 
>> ZDDPlus makes it really slippery.
>> NFI.
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
>> To: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>
>> Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>>
>>> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you 
>>> want
>>> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim Roelofs
>>>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>>>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>>>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>>>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>>>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>>>
>>>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>>>
>>>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>>>
>>>> Erie, PA 16508
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>>>
>>>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
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From mmoore at wave1.net  Sat Apr 20 05:37:43 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:37:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01ce3dbb$795d4f20$6c17ed60$@net>

In Erie, the $2 off was on all weights (not synthetic), so marked price was
$5.99 and I got them for $3.99

Thanks
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
2007 West 32nd Street
Erie, PA 16508

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
Fax:        814-864-7383

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:34 PM
To: Jim%20Roelofs
Cc: Mike Moore; FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only $3
per quart.  Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for
along time.  The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see what
the current net price was, but there was no discount.

Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
> 
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
> 
> B 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sat Apr 20 07:38:20 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:38:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <FA52381B43CA419DA033707E3BEEF9EC@TRIUMPH.local>

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/vr1_racing.pdf

VR-1 carries an API rating of "SN". This is the most current standard.

A couple years back when the whole flat tappet cam failure issue was in full 
swing, somebody explained it to me this way...

The problem was caused when our government made mandates involving additives 
to motor oil. They didn't want stuff in the oil of our daily drivers that 
tended to plug up catalitic converters and perhaps gum up sensors. It's all 
about emmissions and mileage, the idea of protecting an engine as best we 
can is no longer the top priority. So the API ratings for motor oil were 
amended to limit how much good stuff goes into the additive packages. .

Real racing oil has no API rating, it can't qualify for one. The additive 
packages we want are outside the limits set by the API.

It's your engine, run whatever you like, but rest assured the VR-1 you buy 
today is a distant relative of the VR-1 you ran when the bottle had an API 
rating of "SJ".

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 07:45:35 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:45:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
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	<DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>
Message-ID: <659A0309-8DBB-4BA6-A4E1-4E9BB0CDF572@gmail.com>

Just to refresh my memory I had a look at some of the archived discussions on
bobistheoilguy.com.  It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the
fact that it's not all about maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the
upper safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything
above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils
have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300.  Depending on what research one
sees, an adequate level ought to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point
out that oil viscosity has something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those
who are flying non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped
out lobes are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic
mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted
to confirm that).

Duncan (using Rotella 15W40)
Texas
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:

> It's not always all about price.
> Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
stuff, why not?
> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
> That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
> Cheers, Bill


From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 09:43:17 2013
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:43:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Racing Oil??
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNB1zYgu37j-_yg2PdPwvtgreO=OZ-kJK=M8x_CmM4JmTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Saw the info on the $2 off, went to autozone.  Bought 50W VR-1 Racing oil
for the discount.  I presume this is different than just VR-1 in its flat
tappet protecting properties?


From tpettenati at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 20 09:59:50 2013
From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:59:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <659A0309-8DBB-4BA6-A4E1-4E9BB0CDF572@gmail.com>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
	<DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>
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Message-ID: <1366473590.24092.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all new
tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently doesn't work
very well on a flat tappet race motor.  

I'm looking at a couple of quarts of
VR-1.  The 10W-30 is SM rated.  The newer 
20W-50 has no API circle but says "
Exceeds SG/CD".  An older quart of 20W-50 
has an API SM circle.  Seems to go
along with the stories that Valvoline had 
recently bumped up the additive
package.

None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be
avoided at 
all costs.

Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil. 
Being overly cautious after 
all the horror stories about flat tappet damage,
I just pulled the head after 
about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is
well and is breaking in nicely.
Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were
hardness checked.  Work was done 
by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting
his shop in Santa Rosa, and it was an 
educational experience.

Cheers,
Tim
----- Original Message ----
From: Duncan Charlton
<duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: FOT of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, April
20, 2013 8:14:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Just to refresh my memory I
had a look at some of the archived discussions on
bobistheoilguy.com.  It may
not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the
fact that it's not all about
maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the
upper safe limit due to
corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything
above 1500ppm after
break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
1750ppm, VR1 conventional
has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils
have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40
has about 1300.  Depending on what research one
sees, an adequate level ought
to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point
out that oil viscosity has
something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those
who are flying non-certified
engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped
out lobes are usually traced
back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic
mentioned that certified
engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted
to confirm that).

Duncan
(using Rotella 15W40)
Texas
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

On Apr 20, 2013, at
6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:

> It's not always all about price.
> Maybe you
like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
stuff, why not?
> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
> That's why there
are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
> Cheers, Bill
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Apr 20 10:32:48 2013
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:32:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <FA52381B43CA419DA033707E3BEEF9EC@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <F0.F0.11869.623C2715@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> VR-1 carries an API rating of "SN". This is the most current standard.

However, "SN" only limits phosphorous content for low viscosity oils, like
10W30 and down.  If you read the spec carefully, you'll find that VR1 only
carries "SN" in 20W50, which is exempt from the phosphorous (and hence ZDDP)
restriction.

-- Randall 


From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 11:46:24 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:46:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com>
	<002b01ce3dbb$795d4f20$6c17ed60$@net>
Message-ID: <E49FD3DFA22B42799F5C961355B6A0C2@hpd530>

Mike, I was at 38th and Peach and got some VR1 and also picked up some 
30weight regular Valvoline for $2 a qt. Great for some of my old tractors.
Stay warm, Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "'Duncan Charlton'" <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>; "'Jim%20Roelofs'" 
<bluebit at comcast.net>
Cc: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> In Erie, the $2 off was on all weights (not synthetic), so marked price 
> was
> $5.99 and I got them for $3.99
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 2007 West 32nd Street
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
> Fax:        814-864-7383
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: Jim%20Roelofs
> Cc: Mike Moore; FOT
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only 
> $3
> per quart.  Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for
> along time.  The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see 
> what
> the current net price was, but there was no discount.
>
> Duncan
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>
>> B
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 11:49:06 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:49:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
	<DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>
	<659A0309-8DBB-4BA6-A4E1-4E9BB0CDF572@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1FF91F1473D4E9FB450872E6FC28831@hpd530>

Hi, I didn't realize Rotelle T was that high.
I use it in my Diesel tractors and my old pickup. Also my old Oliver 1650.
Good stuff.
Thanks for the info.
Bill
P.S. The new Hemi uses 5w-20.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan Charlton" <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: "FOT of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Just to refresh my memory I had a look at some of the archived discussions 
> on
> bobistheoilguy.com.  It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of 
> the
> fact that it's not all about maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be 
> the
> upper safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that 
> anything
> above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
> 1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race 
> oils
> have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300.  Depending on what research 
> one
> sees, an adequate level ought to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics 
> point
> out that oil viscosity has something to do with cam lobe wear, too --  
> those
> who are flying non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and 
> wiped
> out lobes are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one 
> mechanic
> mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't 
> attempted
> to confirm that).
>
> Duncan (using Rotella 15W40)
> Texas
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:
>
>> It's not always all about price.
>> Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
> stuff, why not?
>> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
> sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
>> That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
>> Cheers, Bill
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 22:35:07 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 23:35:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1366473590.24092.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
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A friend poured a whole quart of what he called "straight ZDDP" into his
Morgan's freshly rebuilt TR engine.  Seems it wasn't a good idea.  He said,
"It coated everything in a golden syrup, bunged up the valves, coated the
pistons, crank, the works."

Duncan

On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote:

> I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all new
> tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently doesn't
work
> very well on a flat tappet race motor.
>
> I'm looking at a couple of quarts of
> VR-1.  The 10W-30 is SM rated.  The newer
> 20W-50 has no API circle but says "
> Exceeds SG/CD".  An older quart of 20W-50
> has an API SM circle.  Seems to go
> along with the stories that Valvoline had
> recently bumped up the additive
> package.
>
> None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be
> avoided at
> all costs.
>
> Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil.
> Being overly cautious after
> all the horror stories about flat tappet damage,
> I just pulled the head after
> about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is
> well and is breaking in nicely.
> Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were
> hardness checked.  Work was done
> by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting
> his shop in Santa Rosa, and it was an
> educational experience.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Duncan Charlton
> <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: FOT of <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, April
> 20, 2013 8:14:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Just to refresh my memory I
> had a look at some of the archived discussions on
> bobistheoilguy.com.  It may
> not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the
> fact that it's not all about
> maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the
> upper safe limit due to
> corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything
> above 1500ppm after
> break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
> 1750ppm, VR1 conventional
> has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils
> have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40
> has about 1300.  Depending on what research one
> sees, an adequate level ought
> to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point
> out that oil viscosity has
> something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those
> who are flying non-certified
> engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped
> out lobes are usually traced
> back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic
> mentioned that certified
> engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted
> to confirm that).
>
> Duncan
> (using Rotella 15W40)
> Texas
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at
> 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:
>
>> It's not always all about price.
>> Maybe you
> like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
> stuff, why not?
>> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
> sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
>> That's why there
> are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
>> Cheers, Bill
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Sun Apr 21 03:39:17 2013
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:39:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <64C03656-3308-4A53-89AA-75C1C0B44731@gmail.com>
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	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
	<DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>
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Amateur chemists often have similar results. 
One can only lead a horse to water; can't force him to drink it. Even if it
is for his own good. I repeat, "Choose wisely!"

Russ

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Duncan Charlton
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 12:35 AM
To: FOT of
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

A friend poured a whole quart of what he called "straight ZDDP" into his
Morgan's freshly rebuilt TR engine.  Seems it wasn't a good idea.  He said,
"It coated everything in a golden syrup, bunged up the valves, coated the
pistons, crank, the works."

Duncan

On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote:

> I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all 
> new tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently 
> doesn't
work
> very well on a flat tappet race motor.
>
> I'm looking at a couple of quarts of
> VR-1.  The 10W-30 is SM rated.  The newer
> 20W-50 has no API circle but says "
> Exceeds SG/CD".  An older quart of 20W-50 has an API SM circle.  Seems 
> to go along with the stories that Valvoline had recently bumped up the 
> additive package.
>
> None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be 
> avoided at all costs.
>
> Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil.
> Being overly cautious after
> all the horror stories about flat tappet damage, I just pulled the 
> head after about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is well and is 
> breaking in nicely.
> Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were hardness checked.  Work 
> was done by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting his shop in Santa 
> Rosa, and it was an educational experience.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Duncan Charlton
> <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: FOT of <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, April
> 20, 2013 8:14:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Just to refresh my memory I
> had a look at some of the archived discussions on bobistheoilguy.com.  
> It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that it's 
> not all about maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the upper 
> safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that 
> anything above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing 
> oils have 1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, 
> Redline race oils have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300.  
> Depending on what research one sees, an adequate level ought to be 
> 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point out that oil viscosity has 
> something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those who are flying 
> non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped out lobes 
> are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic 
> mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't 
> attempted to confirm that).
>
> Duncan
> (using Rotella 15W40)
> Texas
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at
> 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:
>
>> It's not always all about price.
>> Maybe you
> like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual stuff, 
> why not?
>> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have 
>> had
> sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
>> That's why there
> are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
>> Cheers, Bill
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Apr 21 20:16:29 2013
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:16:29 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
Message-ID: <20130421.221629.2525.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

Big bore (89mm), big valves, big cam and Weber Carbs got me 188 hp at the
flywheel.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: "<yellow04 at tr4racer.com>" <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Cc: "<fot at autox.team.net>" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:11:23 -0500

Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying to
figure out how to get to 170hp :)

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have
> thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>
> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is
stopping
> him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a
> repeat at Summit Point next month!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just
>> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 22 06:31:45 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hauling from CA to TX or vice versa
Message-ID: <A6C6CED8-49D4-4A87-A579-2A7270613CC6@gmail.com>

Anybody got trailer space from the Bay area in CA to somewhere in Texas in the
next two weeks?  I need to transport a Morgan.

If the answer is no, does anyone need a car hauled from central Texas to CA in
case I drive to the San Francisco area to pick up the Morgan?


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Mon Apr 22 11:31:55 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:31:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304220827390.11235@isis.mit.edu>
References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
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	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304220827390.11235@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <1366651915.51506.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Bob.  I am running new Toyo Proxes RR.  I don't look for significant
temps until at least 3 or 4 autocross runs on a hot day.  So far I haven't
really had the hot days and maybe these tires are a little stiffer.  Last year
I 
ran a nearly new set of Hoosier R6 and seemed to be able to read the center
pressures to determine ultimate pressure.  I ended up with 32 front and 28
rear.  Jim



________________________________
From: Robert M. Lang
<lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Sent: Mon,
April 22, 2013 5:33:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire temp question

Hi,

You can
only get "good" tire temps on a skid pad. If you try to get temps just 
coming
off an autocross course, you won't get accurate results. About the only 
tire
pressure adjustment you can make from autocross is the base pressure that 
you
need to keep the tire from rolling over.

What I've done is to run the skidpad
and set the base pressure. Then up it a 
little and measure for even temps.
Note: the outside wheels do the most work so 
focus on those. Then switch
directions and get the other side.

>From there, when you run autocrosses, use
the tire pressure to balance the car.

Also, ask around. I get good info from
other folks and then build on that.

What tires are you running?

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Former
NER Solo Chair                          |
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          |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Mon Apr 22 11:47:01 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:47:01 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
In-Reply-To: <1366651915.51506.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
	<1366413451.74004.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304220827390.11235@isis.mit.edu>
	<1366651915.51506.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D02E7481-7F45-415B-9298-DF96A2088944@bnj.com>

Tire temperatures that you get from a hot day or autocross runs are useless
for setting up suspension or determiniming appropriate tire pressure. Even
tire temps on a track are relatively inaccurate unless you take a series of
tight turns at good speed and stop immediately to read them without an
intervening straight.


On Apr 22, 2013, at 7:31 AM, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> Thanks Bob.  I am running new Toyo Proxes RR.  I don't look for significant
> temps until at least 3 or 4 autocross runs on a hot day.  So far I haven't
> really had the hot days and maybe these tires are a little stiffer.  Last
year
> I
> ran a nearly new set of Hoosier R6 and seemed to be able to read the center
> pressures to determine ultimate pressure.  I ended up with 32 front and 28
> rear.  Jim
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert M. Lang
> <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
> Sent: Mon,
> April 22, 2013 5:33:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire temp question
>
> Hi,
>
> You can
> only get "good" tire temps on a skid pad. If you try to get temps just
> coming
> off an autocross course, you won't get accurate results. About the only
> tire
> pressure adjustment you can make from autocross is the base pressure that
> you
> need to keep the tire from rolling over.
>
> What I've done is to run the skidpad
> and set the base pressure. Then up it a
> little and measure for even temps.
> Note: the outside wheels do the most work so
> focus on those. Then switch
> directions and get the other side.
>
> From there, when you run autocrosses, use
> the tire pressure to balance the car.
>
> Also, ask around. I get good info from
> other folks and then build on that.
>
> What tires are you running?
>
> regards,
> rml
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Mon Apr 22 23:00:13 2013
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:00:13 +1000
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Listers, 

 

Are any of you running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
tires? Finding that you are having to run them with less pressure than other
tires used to get your times up?

 

We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the TOYO's, That is
what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP DZ03's etc., they
get VERY 'skatey'

 

 

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

TR-4

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 23 00:23:28 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:23:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
In-Reply-To: <D02E7481-7F45-415B-9298-DF96A2088944@bnj.com>
References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
	<1366413451.74004.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304220827390.11235@isis.mit.edu>
	<1366651915.51506.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<D02E7481-7F45-415B-9298-DF96A2088944@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrGtEMuO5K_pryWuFG4rqW8ez96fET1cJL+KnL4A5b=w+B5FA@mail.gmail.com>

I take tire temperatures but these values are pretty useless. I never got
any close to the recommended temperature. I set pressure to the best stick
over the distance.

Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 23 10:25:05 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:25:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP NEWS
Message-ID: <8D00E563FAC1908-1D0C-2582@webmail-m242.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

Thanks to Steve Belfer, Joe Pawlak, Blake Discher we now have the latest in a
series of Kastner Cup Posters in hand. They will be free to FOT and VTR in
attendance at ROAD AMERICA.

We are very close to wrapping up the TRIUMPH PACKAGE WEEKEND DEAL. This will
impact all FOT that are attendees and not entering as Driver's. The 'package
deal' will extend to Triumph Club Members, as well. Track Touring, Old Course
Reenactment, Friday's Welcome Dinner and Triumph Car Show will be included in
the PACKAGE.

Jason's Paddock Planning is going very well, and the garages are filling up
quickly. Thursday afternoon and evening will be very special as Dave Young
will be sending Tech Inspectors to our garages and we should be able to hang
together tightly and get acquainted or re-acquainted. There will be the option
of ordering in BROASTED CHICKEN and PIZZA from a local restaurant.

VSCDA'S Mike and Deb Korneli have developed the ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL
weekend into a Premier Event over the past 8 years. It has all of the features
of Watkins Glen, but without the crush of a big 'festival event'. Everything
is close in and convenient, and the weather is usually the best with just a
touch of autumn color in the trees.

Regards,

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Tue Apr 23 10:39:36 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
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References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
Message-ID: <1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures are
you 
running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
________________________________
From: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
10:03:51 PM
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Listers, 



Are any of you
running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
tires? Finding that
you are having to run them with less pressure than other
tires used to get
your times up?



We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
TOYO's, That is
what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
DZ03's etc., they
get VERY 'skatey'







Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

TR-4
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From apackard68 at att.net  Tue Apr 23 11:14:42 2013
From: apackard68 at att.net (Andy Packard)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:14:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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Message-ID: <A1FE1DE3-4DC5-435A-95F6-0949B269E69E@att.net>

FWIW,
I autocross my TR250 with these tires and found maintaining 37-38 psi was
best. Lower and they get very mushy, higher they're over inflated and reduce
contact. Not sure if this is helpful for your application.

Andy Packard
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:39 AM, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures
are
> you
> running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
> ________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
> <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
> tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> tires used to get
> your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Apr 23 11:35:10 2013
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:35:10 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
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Message-ID: <178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com>

Hi both,

I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures
are
> you
> running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
> ________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
> <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
> tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> tires used to get
> your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
> _______________________________________________
>
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Tue Apr 23 13:11:29 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1366744289.58937.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
________________________________
From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Hi both,
I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have 
a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension 
setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car
to handle like 
a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension
settings and my style of 
driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my
iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures are
> you 
> running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
>
________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
>
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22,
2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
> 
> Listers, 
> 
> 
> 
>
Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
>
tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> tires used to get
> your times up?
> 
> 
> 
> We are finding that if you run
'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the
YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Peter Vucinic
> 
> TR-4
>
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Apr 23 14:35:50 2013
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:35:50 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <1366744289.58937.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com>
	<1366744289.58937.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AC093A23-C0E9-46A1-B917-E28FA8E655B8@btinternet.com>

I run 22 front, 24 rear.

Keith

Sent from my iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 21:11, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
>
> From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
> To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
> Cc: Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net"
<fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Hi both,
>
> I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....
>
> Happy to provide my pressure settings though.
>
> Keith
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
>
> > Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures
are
> > you
> > running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
> > ________________________________
> > From: Peter Vucinic
> > <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
> > 10:03:51 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
> >
> > Listers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Are any of you
> > running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
> > tires? Finding that
> > you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> > tires used to get
> > your times up?
> >
> >
> >
> > We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
> > TOYO's, That is
> > what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> > DZ03's etc., they
> > get VERY 'skatey'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > Peter Vucinic
> >
> > TR-4
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 23 14:46:36 2013
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:46:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <1366744289.58937.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com>
	<1366744289.58937.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD504@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

I run the Toyo Proxes on my GT6 race car. Size 205/60-13. Typically run 22#
front (cold) and 20-21# rear.

Edward Dunn

West Coast Vintage Racing
2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101
Encinitas CA 92024

760-492-3814
www.vintageracing.us



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of sherry robyn
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Keith Files
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
________________________________
From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Hi both,
I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my
iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What
> pressures are you running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
>
________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
>
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22,
2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
>
Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
>
tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other tires used to
> get your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run
'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the
YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
>
_______________________________________________
>
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Apr 23 15:05:42 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:05:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Yahoo, etc.
Message-ID: <5176F7A6.6000004@bradakis.com>

I  think the yahoo, btinternet and sbcglobal issue is finally resolved.
I'll keep an eye on things to make sure.

mjb.


From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Apr 23 15:16:22 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:16:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD504@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>
	<1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com>
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	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD504@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <99C557E2-FFD4-4C9A-AB76-E9814382F513@me.com>

funny, I run the Toyo R888s, and was running the same 20 lb +/- pressures, on
my GT6.  I had pretty even temps across them, but was getting a lot of
understeer.  Kas suggested the pressure was way too low for radials.  I had
started in the mid 20s and worked my way down.  Then I went up close to where
the Miata racers run them - 29 rear and 31 front cold, about 35 hot, and the
handling is much improved.
Still getting even temps across the tires - running 1.8 degrees negative
camber front and 2.2 rear.  Tried to get pressure recommendations out of Toyo,
but no luck.

Miss the Kumho V700s - they were a stickier, better handling tire, but not
available in this size any more.

On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:

I run the Toyo Proxes on my GT6 race car. Size 205/60-13. Typically run 22#
front (cold) and 20-21# rear.

Edward Dunn

West Coast Vintage Racing
2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101
Encinitas CA 92024

760-492-3814
www.vintageracing.us



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of sherry robyn
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Keith Files
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
________________________________
From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Hi both,
I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car
to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my
iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What
> pressures are you running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
>
________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
>
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22,
2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
>
Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
>
tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other tires used to
> get your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run
'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the
YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
>
_______________________________________________
>
>
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From apackard68 at att.net  Wed Apr 24 13:01:29 2013
From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR250 Engine block pronounced DOA by machine shop
Message-ID: <1366830089.60289.YahooMailRC@web181102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

B  
Hello Friends.
I am now in need of a replacement six cylinder block for my
every day and 
autocrossing TR250. Apparently my cam wore the block so bad it
created a crack.B  
It did not have cam bearings and was likely starved of oil
when I was dealing 
with a bad oil pump last year.

I sold a GT6 block a short
time ago and I knowB a fellow club memberB just got rid 
of one.B  Anyone out
there with a spare sitting around to sell and close to 
Northern California?B 
I don't need any of the guts or peripherals and can return 
all parts after
disassembly if wanted.B  


Please letB me know if you can help.B  I'd love to
have the car running again for 
a club-hosted June autocross.

Andy Packard
925 577 7704
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Apr 24 14:38:27 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July  - MG vs Triumph
In-Reply-To: <SNT126-W5BE0A8BE41BC789B0E09DD4B50@phx.gbl>
References: <kl4sc8+h83f@eGroups.com> <kl65aj+lthr@eGroups.com>
	<SNT126-W186E634C74768852B19B92D4B40@phx.gbl>
	<174756BA-C4DC-4064-A22B-E2B5EA8D32AF@me.com>
	<SNT126-W5BE0A8BE41BC789B0E09DD4B50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C17A7900-BD1A-48A0-B0C7-8F31CF6FD2CF@me.com>

poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster Factory
that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday.  The notice said
20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park.
http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spon
sored-by-the-roadster-factory/

On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:


Scott,

Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the paddock on
Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic.  But it does get crowded
by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better.  Last year I
arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left, but going fast.
Noon would probably be better.  (timing inversely proportional to the size of
your rig)

Mark Palmer

To: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com
From: sjanzen at me.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400
Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule



I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs night
or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock?

On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:



Jim -- and others looking for lodging,

The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a Wyndham,
they just converted in March I believe.  Rate is $189/night, not exactly
cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they have just renovated
everything.  As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year (Holiday)
but you can park on the street for free.  No room for rigs whatsoever.  Janet
likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the
university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she decides not to
ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility.

Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price range.

To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards Monroeville
near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out there around
$100 - 120/night.  Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but probably
takes about half an hour each way.

Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a donation to
the charities which is a nice plus.

Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people based on
the GWVR (no potty though).

Mark Palmer


> --- In VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" <jim_arnett at ...> wrote:
> >
> > Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP Schenley
weekend.  They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere. We
don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just happy to be
there and to be together.
> > Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed.  Not
too far from Schenley is good too.
> > Any recommdations?






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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Apr 24 15:53:14 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:53:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July  - MG vs Triumph
In-Reply-To: <C17A7900-BD1A-48A0-B0C7-8F31CF6FD2CF@me.com>
References: <kl4sc8+h83f@eGroups.com> <kl65aj+lthr@eGroups.com>
	<SNT126-W186E634C74768852B19B92D4B40@phx.gbl>
	<174756BA-C4DC-4064-A22B-E2B5EA8D32AF@me.com>
	<SNT126-W5BE0A8BE41BC789B0E09DD4B50@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <15BA465A-8102-4D22-B6D2-6B426DB93320@gdhs.com>

I'll be there too. I was told by one of the organizers if you have a big rig
you should get there before 5 on Thursday. We are staying at a hotel on Forbes
can't remember the name.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster
Factory
> that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday.  The notice
said
> 20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park.
>
http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spon
> sored-by-the-roadster-factory/
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the paddock on
> Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic.  But it does get
crowded
> by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better.  Last year I
> arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left, but going
fast.
> Noon would probably be better.  (timing inversely proportional to the size
of
> your rig)
>
> Mark Palmer
>
> To: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com
> From: sjanzen at me.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400
> Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule
>
>
>
> I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs
night
> or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock?
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
>
> Jim -- and others looking for lodging,
>
> The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a Wyndham,
> they just converted in March I believe.  Rate is $189/night, not exactly
> cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they have just
renovated
> everything.  As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year
(Holiday)
> but you can park on the street for free.  No room for rigs whatsoever.
Janet
> likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the
> university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she decides not
to
> ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility.
>
> Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price
range.
>
> To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards
Monroeville
> near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out there
around
> $100 - 120/night.  Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but probably
> takes about half an hour each way.
>
> Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a donation
to
> the charities which is a nice plus.
>
> Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people based on
> the GWVR (no potty though).
>
> Mark Palmer
>
>
>> --- In VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" <jim_arnett at ...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP Schenley
> weekend.  They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere.
We
> don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just happy to
be
> there and to be together.
>>> Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed.  Not
> too far from Schenley is good too.
>>> Any recommdations?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Apr 24 19:14:49 2013
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:14:49 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b2uKpdan8Z6mopS9LuzrBhEbTHFb-Rwm-rnVC0UcLtYzQ@mail.gmail.com>

we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in
general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones

on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting
to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and
layout, but its a good starting point.

Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure
around 42psi.

On production cars with primitive suspensions  like TR's we struggle to get
them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures

if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your
temperature data



Terry


From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Apr 24 19:21:59 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b2uKpdan8Z6mopS9LuzrBhEbTHFb-Rwm-rnVC0UcLtYzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Nope, my tires are not getting to 194 degrees F/90 C.  More like 155 on a hot
day.

On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in
general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones

on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting
to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and
layout, but its a good starting point.

Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure
around 42psi.

On production cars with primitive suspensions  like TR's we struggle to get
them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures

if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your
temperature data



Terry
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Wed Apr 24 23:24:03 2013
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:24:03 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b2uKpdan8Z6mopS9LuzrBhEbTHFb-Rwm-rnVC0UcLtYzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Terry,
The PROXES I started this thread with, were fitted to TR7 V8 Race car,
fairly heavy spring rates. We found that we would get 10+ PSI change in 5
Laps (13.5 miles total) on a 25c (77F) day.




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track
Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2013 11:15 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888

we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in
general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones

on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting
to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and
layout, but its a good starting point.

Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure
around 42psi.

On production cars with primitive suspensions  like TR's we struggle to get
them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures

if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your temperature
data



Terry
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 07:33:33 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:33:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
Message-ID: <6C6284DF94E4448CB324E94BF9AAC691@gdhs.local>

Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old
set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR.  I was
able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now
available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix.  Just let me know
and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping.....

John H. Hasty
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 08:53:19 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:53:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
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Todd:  I have no idea if they are compatable to a TS motor, perhaps someone
else could tell you. 

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
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To: jhhasty at gdhs.com
Subject: RE: [Fot] Exhaust Headers

John,

If they are for a TR3 and are still available, Ill take them!


Todd Redmond




n Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM, john hasty wrote:

> Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me 
> an old set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for 
> VIR.  I was able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the 
> used set is now available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar 
> fix.  Just let me know and they will be on their way to you for the 
> cost of shipping.....
>
> John H. Hasty
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> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 08:51:55 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:51:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
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The Stahl header was perfect.  3 pictures attached.  I had them send the
engine plate to me first so we could fit it to the modified head.  Had them
use 16 gage 1-5/8" tubing instead of 18 gage.  It is 4 into 1.  The fit of
the primary tubes to the rectangle exhaust outlets was perfect as if they
had been forged to shape.  The primary tubes, as best I could measure, were
exactly the same length.  I had the collector welded and they used an
additional strap around the primary tubes at the point they fit into the
collector.  I then had Airborne ceramic coat it to reduce the radiated heat,
they say, by 35%.  The collector was close to touching the frame at one
point and Allen made a little more clearance by modifying the frame at that
point, but other than that no fitting problems.  (Note my old header had the
same frame clearance problem)
 
Bud's old header is 4 into 1 & has rust etc. but is sound and useable.  I
have no idea who made it, perhaps Bud could tell us.     Cheers!
 

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
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From: davehogye [mailto:dlhogye at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:01 AM
To: john hasty
Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Headers


Hi John, 
How did the Stahl header work out?  How did it fit?  Any frame clearance
issues?  What is the old header like?  Do you know who made it?  Is it a
4-1, or 4-2-1?


Dave H.


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From: "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:33:33 AM
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers

Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old
set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR.  I was
able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now
available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix.  Just let me know
and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping.....

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Apr 25 09:44:05 2013
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hasty's Header
Message-ID: <51760080.e463.13e41dda7a0.Webtop.14@optonline.net>

To All,

Will John's header for a CT motor work on a TS motor?  I have the high 
port head.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure which motor is in my TR3.   What are 
the differences, if any, between the two motors?


Thanks

Todd Redmond


From apackard68 at att.net  Thu Apr 25 10:19:23 2013
From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Engine block search status
Message-ID: <1366906763.79952.YahooMailRC@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks to everyone for overwhelming response.  
I'll be picking up a TR250
block in nearby Folsom, CA this weekend and hopefully 
it checks out at the
machine shop.  If it doesn't, I'll likely be contacting the 
other offers I
rec'd.  Nice to know there is so much support for a fellow 
enthusiast in a
pinch!
Andy Packard


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 07:40:25 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:40:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July  - MG vs Triumph
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PS: Hotel is Hilton Garden Inn


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
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Behalf Of John Hasty
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:53 PM
To: Scott Janzen
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July - MG vs Triumph

I'll be there too. I was told by one of the organizers if you have a big rig
you should get there before 5 on Thursday. We are staying at a hotel on
Forbes can't remember the name.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster
Factory
> that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday.  The
> notice
said
> 20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park.
>
http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spo
n
> sored-by-the-roadster-factory/
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the
> paddock on Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic.  But it
> does get
crowded
> by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better.  Last
> year I arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left,
> but going
fast.
> Noon would probably be better.  (timing inversely proportional to the
> size
of
> your rig)
>
> Mark Palmer
>
> To: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com
> From: sjanzen at me.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400
> Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule
>
>
>
> I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs
night
> or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock?
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
>
> Jim -- and others looking for lodging,
>
> The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a
> Wyndham, they just converted in March I believe.  Rate is $189/night,
> not exactly cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they
> have just
renovated
> everything.  As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year
(Holiday)
> but you can park on the street for free.  No room for rigs whatsoever.
Janet
> likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the
> university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she
> decides not
to
> ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility.
>
> Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price
range.
>
> To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards
Monroeville
> near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out
> there
around
> $100 - 120/night.  Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but
> probably takes about half an hour each way.
>
> Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a
> donation
to
> the charities which is a nice plus.
>
> Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people
> based on the GWVR (no potty though).
>
> Mark Palmer
>
>
>> --- In VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" <jim_arnett at ...>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP
>>> Schenley
> weekend.  They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere.
We
> don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just
> happy to
be
> there and to be together.
>>> Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed.
>>> Not
> too far from Schenley is good too.
>>> Any recommdations?
>
>
>
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Apr 25 09:50:44 2013
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:50:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
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The car came to me with a UK sourced header. That's all I know about it.

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 25, 2013, at 9:51 AM, "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> The Stahl header was perfect.  3 pictures attached.  I had them send the
> engine plate to me first so we could fit it to the modified head.  Had them
> use 16 gage 1-5/8" tubing instead of 18 gage.  It is 4 into 1.  The fit of
> the primary tubes to the rectangle exhaust outlets was perfect as if they
> had been forged to shape.  The primary tubes, as best I could measure, were
> exactly the same length.  I had the collector welded and they used an
> additional strap around the primary tubes at the point they fit into the
> collector.  I then had Airborne ceramic coat it to reduce the radiated
heat,
> they say, by 35%.  The collector was close to touching the frame at one
> point and Allen made a little more clearance by modifying the frame at that
> point, but other than that no fitting problems.  (Note my old header had
the
> same frame clearance problem)
>
> Bud's old header is 4 into 1 & has rust etc. but is sound and useable.  I
> have no idea who made it, perhaps Bud could tell us.     Cheers!
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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>  _____
>
> From: davehogye [mailto:dlhogye at comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:01 AM
> To: john hasty
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
>
>
> Hi John,
> How did the Stahl header work out?  How did it fit?  Any frame clearance
> issues?  What is the old header like?  Do you know who made it?  Is it a
> 4-1, or 4-2-1?
>
>
> Dave H.
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:33:33 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
>
> Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old
> set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR.  I was
> able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now
> available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix.  Just let me
know
> and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping.....
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Apr 25 22:52:32 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:52:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Final note on yahoo
Message-ID: <517A0810.5030907@bradakis.com>

I think I have finally cleared out all the duplicate addresses I set up 
during
the yahoo mess, so those who started getting two of every post should now be
getting only one.

mjb.


From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Thu Apr 25 23:53:39 2013
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 00:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 hard top hardware
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVuzk7woU9SceC_SPjb-YrKJWtwpxH8ih8rf1RLeOr9QdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone!
I recently aquired/was given a hardtop for my Spitfire 1500. Does anyone
have an extra set of the mounting hardware for the B pillars? Since they
are unobtainium I'm hoping someone here has a set. Otherwise it's time to
get my designing skills out from under the dust. Thank you.
Mike Jankowski


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 26 07:52:06 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:52:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH ENTRIES AT KASTNER CUP 2013 TRIUMPH RUN WEEKEND RUN
 GROUP?
Message-ID: <8D0109C5F9AE2C9-678-1EE00@webmail-m265.sysops.aol.com>

FOT ENTRANTS:

VSCDA feels that if our entries land between 60 and 70 cars, they will want to
schedule a separate run group with just TRIUMPHS.

This complicates their scheduling, it may be the best decision for them.

FOR US, it means that VSCDA can schedule our run times so we can ALL take full
advantage  of the Saturday Afternoon activities.  The Race Car drive into
Elkhart, Old Course Reenactment, Gather On the Green, etc.

IT ALSO means that we might all have better scheduling for Sunday
departures.......

So, this is not a solicitation for more entries, but for the best information
possible for PLANNING PURPOSES.

We seem to be at 60+ Drivers, but we will need a CAR COUNT.  Contact Marty
Sukey  trmarty at hotmail.com  if you plan to enter and have not indicated so.

If we don't have a separate run group, we will try to get the best possible
scheduling for the TRIUMPHS, in any case.

The planning seems to be going well for a maximum FOT EXPERIENCE at ELVF.
Thanks!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Apr 26 07:56:03 2013
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:56:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder new SS Falcon headers (WTS)
Message-ID: <001a01ce4285$cac89670$6059c350$@rr.com>

Shameless effort to fund racing program!

 

Please contact me off-line if you are interested in a set of new Falcon
stainless steel headers for TR-250/TR-6 application. I also have the SS
collector pipe that makes this into a single outlet which is what one would
want for any type of competition. If you do desire a dual system those pipes
are also available to connect this to an aftermarket system like a Monza. I
have pictures available if interested. I will sell this for considerably
less than listed at any retailer.

 

I will be at the Jefferson 500 in May and Mosport in June if that helps with
delivery.

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49


From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 26 09:09:46 2013
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:09:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps
Message-ID: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Is anyone using lash caps?
I'm looking at using these:
http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html
I'd like to hear the pros
and cons.
I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues.  
They will add about
.070" to the top of the valve stem.

Regards,
Tim


From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Apr 26 09:31:19 2013
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:31:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps
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References: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.236.1638251587.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

I'm using them on my TR-4.  I've had to shorten them on the bench 
grinder to not hit the valve keeper, but they've caused not 
problems.  My car came with roller rockers and the Lash Caps, and it 
seemed like a good idea so I've continued to use them.  Seems like it 
would give a larger area for the roller tip to roll on.

Tony Drews

At 10:09 AM 4/26/2013, Tim Pettenati wrote:
>Is anyone using lash caps?
>I'm looking at using these:
>http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html
>I'd like to hear the pros
>and cons.
>I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues.
>They will add about
>.070" to the top of the valve stem.
>
>Regards,
>Tim
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 26 11:22:34 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:22:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps
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I have a 1936 Matchless V-twin engine that uses these.  No issues as long as
they fit right to start with.

Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4
1936 Morgan 3-wheeler


On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote:

> Is anyone using lash caps?
> I'm looking at using these:
> http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html
> I'd like to hear the pros
> and cons.
> I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues.
> They will add about
> .070" to the top of the valve stem.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Apr 26 15:07:47 2013
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:07:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389
Message-ID: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net>

Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red)  
sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni  
won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from  
Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried  
most of the usual places but have come up empty.

Thanks
Bud Rolofson

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 26 16:06:50 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:06:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389
In-Reply-To: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net>
References: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <904F8C38-7F54-440E-9ACC-FA9AB48CDD63@gdhs.com>

Bid.  You might call Paul Spruell in Atlanta. He is an Alfa guy, but had red
ones in stock when I needed some for my Alfa...... They might be the same.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Bud R <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red)
> sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni
> won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from
> Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried
> most of the usual places but have come up empty.
>
> Thanks
> Bud Rolofson
>
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Apr 26 16:39:19 2013
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:39:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389
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Got it covered I believe.

Russ

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Hasty
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:07 PM
To: Bud R
Cc: FOT triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389

Bid.  You might call Paul Spruell in Atlanta. He is an Alfa guy, but had red
ones in stock when I needed some for my Alfa...... They might be the same.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Bud R <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red) 
> sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni 
> won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from 
> Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried 
> most of the usual places but have come up empty.
>
> Thanks
> Bud Rolofson
>
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Apr 27 17:26:20 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:26:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing and compression
Message-ID: <3FD61C72-4AA2-4124-A365-1D7D9361FB4F@me.com>

The GT6 recently got a nice valve job, and in the process we verified that the
compression, which I had thought was 11.5:1, was actually only 10.4:1.  Now,
approx. 40/1000 later, it's 11.9:1.
So, the question is, how much should I dial back total ignition advance from
the 32 degrees I was running?
Also, expectations with Weber carb set up - will different jetting be
required?


From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Apr 29 14:07:25 2013
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:07:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] bad news and good news
Message-ID: <CALCydYpAe9t4aHGnv1iF5B242PLRiXdgPcX3PO3qtqtmfnb0GA@mail.gmail.com>

The bad news is that I lost lots and lots of really cool stuff due to
flooding at both basements (my home and antique store). The past week and a
half was long sad 18 hour days of hauling ruined stuff to the dumpster. I
accepted the loss pretty calming (to my wife's surprise, as I usually deal
with things like this will lots of yelling and swearing and screaming and
crying)
In a rare moment of maturity, somehow I accepted the defeat graciously...
put my head down, tried to keep a smile on my face and  trudged through the
long messy clean up.

The good news is that I hauled my last garbage bag and poured my last
bottle of bleach in time to get down to some serious RACING. This
weekend held my annual season kick off race weekend. The Saint Joseph's
College "Little 500" 3 hour endurance go kart race for students/ faculty
and Alumni.
I took second in the alumni race.
And in a big moment of glory for Friendly Ghost Racing... our Student drove
a flawless race to bring the FGR team an awesome victory. After over 100
miles of racing on the bumpy campus street course, any one of the top 5
drivers was in a position to win. Under strong attack we stayed smart under
pressure and won all the marbles. After doing this for 23 years in a row
now, and getting the kid's kart prepped to perfection in spite of my awful
prior week... this victory is one of our sweetest to date!

Funny how a few moments of glory at the track can wash away the losses of a
"100 year rain".
Goddamn, I must proclaim....racing is really good for the soul!

I'm back at my "paddock master" desk now.
New Kastner Cup Paddock information shortly forthcoming.
Thanks!
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing


From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Apr 29 15:43:50 2013
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:43:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info For Kastner Cup #2
Message-ID: <CALCydYoG6PdpwFt8e7hvJ+9OarJ+vC5DQnFpyXiF5=aCOKfabg@mail.gmail.com>

This is the 2nd instalment of Paddock Info for the Kastner Cup.

ATTENTION ALL KASTNER CUP PARTICIPANTS:

Notes on status of Garage rentals:

Many of you have reserved garage spaces in the open air Lester Buildings.
This will be Triumph headquarters for various aspects of The Kastner Cup.

If you have reserved a space. THANK YOU!
At this point there are only a few garage spots left, call it fair warning!

If you have reserved a garage spot and HAVE SENT me a payment already...
THANK YOU for being early to the grid.

If you have reserved a garage spot and have NOT SENT payment yet...
Second call!
Please send $50.00 per spot payable to:
Wonderland Multivintage
3731 Grand Blvd
Brookfield IL 60513

(Notice to all garage renters>>> Do not be alarmed if you have not heard
from me yet or gotten any official confirmation. Official confirmation in
regards to garage space has not yet been given. So, Again, If you paid
already, thanks...look for a personal email in the coming days in regard
to your official confirmation.)

Notes on General Paddock Arrangement:

Negotiations and initial planning for the ALL TRIUMPH PADDOCK is going well.
It is a rare thing to have any special paddock arrangements made at Road
America. Thanks to some dedicated FoTer's voices and persistent contact
with the Race-Chairmen and RA officials, so far it looks like Triumph
competitors will be given five star treatment. To Be Clear.... WE are the
FEATURE!

To facilitate accurate planning of open space in the ALL TRIUMPH PADDOCK I
have asked ALL TRIUMPH COMPETITORS to send me the dimensions of
their paddock space needs. (dimensions of rig, canopies, tent, RV)
If you have not contacted me with this info please do so now. Email
jason at multivintage.com  with the requested info.

Opinions and Feedback and important paddock concepts thus far:
1) The Lester building / garages will work great for car prep/show for the
entire weekend.
2) The garages are not secure or private (keep that in mind)
3) Your rig and trailer or RV etc. will NOT be right next to you garage
spot and may be a short walk from your spot. I will try to get you as close
as I can. but understand that your paddock spot (for your tow rig and
trailer) will not be at an arms length from your garage spot. (please be
advised and plan accordingly)
4) Tech will happen in our Triumph Paddock area.
5) RV hookup power is not technically available in our designated area.
6) If you want power, rent a garage spot.(period)
7) If you want power at you RV / rig / paddock spot plan on paying lots of
money to get it or BRING a GENERATOR.
8) I have been asked "Can I run a cord from my garage spot to my Rig and
tent or RV? Answer: don't count on it.
9) If You must have RV power because of any personal/ medical issues...
Contact me immediately! Jason @ (312)208-5227
10) If you need anything special, now is the time to ask for it! Contact
Jason @ (312)208-5227
11) If you know anyone that is not on the FOT list or that does not keep up
with our emails; Please forward this info to them and urge them to contact
me with any concerns and the requested details.
12)  If I have forgotten anything or not mentioned something that you would
like to see as part of the paddock experience for this event, I AM HERE FOR
YOU to see what we can do! call Jason @ (312)208-5227 or email
jason at multivintage.com
13) This is going to be totally awesome. The 2013 Kastner Cup at Road
America is shaping up to be the greatest Triumph Race in the history of
motorsport.

 Thanks!
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
Planing Committee/Paddock Master
2013 Kastner Cup at Road America


From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Mon Apr 29 18:52:39 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:52:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] crank float
Message-ID: <EFABE3BFD7E64F6DA302E7ADB316E254@hpd530>

Hi Gang, I'm putting my TR6 engine together and had a question about the
crankshaft thrust bearings.
I know Cas had an article in one of his books about using a Toyota setup. I
was talking to Dave at TRF and he mentioned pinning the thrust brearings.
Anybody done this?
I was thinking about setting my block in my drill press (it's a Powermatic 20
inch and will handle it) and drilling two holes in the back of the block,
where the thrust washers (bearings) are fitted. Then install two 3/32 roll
pins to retain the bearings.
The drill press would keep things level and straight. I already drilled two
holes in an old thrust bearing and plan to use it as a template.
I've never had any problems but hear about the thrust bearings falling out. It
seems that if the clearances are right, this wouldn't happen.
Any thoughts?
Thanks, Bill


From sjanzen at me.com  Mon Apr 29 18:58:29 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:58:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mallory mechanical advance springs
Message-ID: <D53F4E1A-70F5-4C09-9878-ACA08FC986C8@me.com>

before I go spring for a set of these little guys to replace the ones I know I
have but can't find, does anyone have some for a Mallory distributor they no
longer use?
They are color-coded for different spring force/ advance rates.

for the GT6 . . . Summit wants 441 for the whole set - make me an offer I
can't refuse!

Scott


From tarch at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr 29 16:39:29 2013
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:39:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] The Mitty,  ATLANTA
Message-ID: <001001ce452a$69d14b30$3d73e190$@bellsouth.net>

FOTers,

The Mitty, last weekend, started with beautiful Wx and ended with the sky
emptying 2 inches of clear juice all over the event. Ole 196 was put in a
class w/ 2 Ginnettas and a Lotus Super 7. The downpour Sunday encouraged
most racers to head home early. This left the one-car class to #196 alone in
the deluge. So we took it! Obviously we have no pride but the experience was
extraordinary. Sheet drainage created3 hydroplaning opportunities; one right
on the uphill after turn 1, another at turn 4 and the third in front of the
tower. Visibility was mostly nil. Both water sheets were thrillers, kinda
like hitting oil slicks. But, unlike oil, the tires will catch again.

The car did, however, earn a legitimate 2nd place in the Enduro. What that
old car lacks in speed and grace, it still tries to compensate with steady
determination. In the eye of the fire breathing racer, this ain't very
glamorous. But for this old man, it works just fine.

We also picked up a 3rd place in the HSR International American Challenge.
Did you know that a GT-40 will pop your ears when it flies by at full song?

The only other big Triumph at the event was Randy Williams' refined TR-3. It
was suffering from  head gasket issues and didn't finish the weekend. What a
truly exquisite machine!

The Spitfires were out  in force and running very fast. Leigh and Quinn
Derby and Jake Kimbrough put on a fine show.

The drive home in the rain with the top down on Interstate 85 was, by
several magnitudes, more challenging than any of the races.

Richard Taylor, TR-4 #196


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Apr 30 08:27:09 2013
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:27:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] crank float
References: <EFABE3BFD7E64F6DA302E7ADB316E254@hpd530>
Message-ID: <F115AED70E0C4C61A9D10C30FF13DC4F@Charly>

Pinning the thrust washer is a good idea, but don't use steel pins, you 
should use brass pins.If something should happen. at least you won't be 
running the crankshaft on the steel.
A better fix is to machine the main cap to accept an additional thrust 
washer and then you'll have twice the surface area for the thrust. Instead 
of pins you could use brass screws.
Check out the link below.


http://www.customthrustwashers.com/

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:52 PM
Subject: [Fot] crank float


> Hi Gang, I'm putting my TR6 engine together and had a question about the
> crankshaft thrust bearings.
> I know Cas had an article in one of his books about using a Toyota setup. 
> I
> was talking to Dave at TRF and he mentioned pinning the thrust brearings.
> Anybody done this?
> I was thinking about setting my block in my drill press (it's a Powermatic 
> 20
> inch and will handle it) and drilling two holes in the back of the block,
> where the thrust washers (bearings) are fitted. Then install two 3/32 roll
> pins to retain the bearings.
> The drill press would keep things level and straight. I already drilled 
> two
> holes in an old thrust bearing and plan to use it as a template.
> I've never had any problems but hear about the thrust bearings falling 
> out. It
> seems that if the clearances are right, this wouldn't happen.
> Any thoughts?
> Thanks, Bill
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From mnewman at embarqmail.com  Tue Apr 30 15:48:42 2013
From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman )
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:48:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Lemans/Sebring Spitfires
Message-ID: <1604883989.2847178.1367358522645.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com>

Amici:
I have recently purchased a replica of one of the 1964/65 Triumph Spitfire Works effort cars that raced at Sebring and Lemans. The car was purchased from Tim Slater in West Palm Beach, Florida. Tim has owned the car twice and his godfather was Peter Bolton, one of the Works drivers during the era. I will be racing SCCA Vintage using the #65, Bolton's number. I plan on finding more history on the car and may need the help of the listers in the future. Currently, I am in need of some pictutes of the original Works Spitfires that show the graphics "Triumph Spitfire" on the front wings. I need enough clarity in order to determine the proper font and scaling to get this graphic reproduced locally for installation on my new purchase.
By the way, the car is BRG with a Rick Cline built 1300cc engine. The roof is from a GT6 instead of the original fiberglass, but the quality of the welding and restoration/reproduction is teriffic.
Any pictures you may have will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Bill Newman #44 GT6 & 1965 Spitfire


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Mon Apr  1 05:57:55 2013
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 07:57:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations
Message-ID: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>

With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our 
website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture 
on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of 
tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure 
Oil.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 
39A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Apr  1 07:46:42 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations
Message-ID: <3588.4209781a.3e8ae9c1@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/01/2013 5:59:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
tedtsimx at bright.net writes:


> With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our 
> website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture 
> on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of 
> tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure 
> Oil.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 
> 39A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted
> 

Ted...

Boy!  That's a surprise.  I thought you were even older.

Bill (Damdinger)


From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Apr  1 09:58:10 2013
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:58:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Service stations
In-Reply-To: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
Message-ID: <8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>

And speakin of gas prices, back in the 70's when I worked for a couple service
stations regular was in the high $.20 range. Then the oil crises hit and
prices jumped to $.50 to $.55 per gallon over night and we limited sales to 5
gallons per vehicle.  And customers were outraged by the cost of fuel, and
this was also at a time that some drivers were just startin to think about
fuel economy.

Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the towns
next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ???  Can't figure that one out.


Again my 2 cents,
Bob T


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: FOT <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:59 am
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations


With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our
ebsite - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture
n home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of
ghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure
il.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim
9A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted
--
ed Schumacher
edtsimx at bright.net
ttp://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
08 S. Jefferson St.
andora, Ohio, USA 45877
ax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
hone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
ech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Apr  1 10:14:09 2013
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:14:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Service stations
In-Reply-To: <8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
	<8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002301ce2ef3$f1b86fd0$d5294f70$@net>

Around 1970 I worked nights at a Chevron Station...Guys in a big car would
drive in..open the trunk, and say "Hey..Wanna buy a nice suit?(:-)
RB

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:58 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Service stations

And speakin of gas prices, back in the 70's when I worked for a couple
service stations regular was in the high $.20 range. Then the oil crises hit
and prices jumped to $.50 to $.55 per gallon over night and we limited sales
to 5 gallons per vehicle.  And customers were outraged by the cost of fuel,
and this was also at a time that some drivers were just startin to think
about fuel economy.

Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the
towns next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ???  Can't figure that one
out.


Again my 2 cents,
Bob T


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net>
To: FOT <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:59 am
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations


With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our ebsite -
www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture n home page
that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of ghe lucky ones.
This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure il.  I have pumped
gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 9A Tallboy pump is
showing.  Enjoy. Ted
--
ed Schumacher
edtsimx at bright.net
ttp://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
08 S. Jefferson St.
andora, Ohio, USA 45877
ax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
hone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
ech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Apr  1 10:17:54 2013
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:17:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Apr  1 10:20:01 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:20:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Service stations
In-Reply-To: <8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
	<8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304011218250.27727@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 robertten1 at aol.com wrote:

> Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the towns
> next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ???  Can't figure that one out.

This one's EZ - DON'T BUY GAS THERE.

;-)

> Again my 2 cents,
> Bob T


... adjusted for inflation, $.20.

Nyuk, nyuk.

rml
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Apr  1 10:28:35 2013
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:28:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations
In-Reply-To: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds95E97AA65F7369FBF932BC3DE0@phx.gbl>

Very cool Ted.

Terry Stetler.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ted Schumacher<mailto:tedtsimx at bright.net>
  To: FOT<mailto:FOT at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:57 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations


  With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our
  website -
www.tsimportedautomotive.com<http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/>. Click the
link under the picture
  on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of
  tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure
  Oil.  I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim
  39A Tallboy pump is showing.  Enjoy. Ted

  --
  Ted Schumacher
  tedtsimx at bright.net<mailto:tedtsimx at bright.net>
  http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com<http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/>
  108 S. Jefferson St.
  Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
  Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Apr  1 10:30:12 2013
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 16:30:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8A66CE@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>

50 years from now there will be a Vintage Prius Racing list on whatever
version of the internet exists at that point.  Some crusty old crock will be
telling tales about the old days, when batteries went bad and how they first
learned to refurbish those batteries in their driveway, using stuff they dug
out of dumpsters and how, later, they figured out how to boost the discharge
and recharge rates of those stock batteries without them blowing up all the
time.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of RACER BUD
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:18 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Mon Apr  1 01:45:55 2013
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 00:45:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating
Message-ID: <c51ccd8395a54e589822c4396a7dcdb4.gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com>

.020" copper wire is really to thick. It does not
compress enough, holds the head up to high, so there
is a tendency for water to leak out the sides of the
head and up the studs. We have found that dead soft
copper wire between .012" and .015" is the ideal
thickness to use. We glue it in place with contact
cement or "gask-g-cinch" which will work like a
contact cement. We still run thin beads of Silicone
gasket maker around the two long head studs on the
manifold side of the head to keep water from getting
around the studs and causing them to rust & pit. 85
lbs ft. of torque is enough, with "permatex
anti-sieze" on the threads and under the nut.  It is
important to use good hard head nut washers, like
those from ARP. Retorque the head when hot after
starting and warming up the engine, also to 85 lbs.
ft. of torque. We use .003" to .006" liner projection
with no more than .002" difference in hight between
any tow adjacent liners.


Greg Solow
The Engine Room
Morgan & Triumph Specialists
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
831 429-1800



------- Original Message -------
>From    : Kas Kastner[mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com]
Sent    : 3/31/2013 6:36:40 PM
To      : j.wags63 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Cc      :
Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating

 Pay attention here. The sticky part matters not
much, but the copper wire
literely seals the deal.  Ho Ho Ho.

*Never be beaten by equipment.*


On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:09 PM, John Wagner
<j.wags63 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>      If you are using a shim gasket, may I
recommend  GM Goodwrench gasket
> sealing compound.
> We super glue .020 or less soft copper wire in the
outer
> rings and with a small sponge paint
> roller apply the gsc. It looks like, an
> has the consistency of Carmel topping. Its Been holding
> High comp. chevys
> together since the 60's.  Good Stuff and not that
expensive.
>
>
>      John
> Wagner
>      Just the wrench
> From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To:
> Cc:
> fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot]
> Head Gasket Coating
>
> FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just
> not from Permatex or
> Valco:
>  http://goo.gl/jE4dw
>  http://goo.gl/mvKDc
>
> --
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Apr  1 12:07:15 2013
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 18:07:15 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
Message-ID: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>

---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote: 
> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
> car?

They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a relatively small battery, it's just a data point).

When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.

At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain more acceptance.

Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.  There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.  They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.

Randall


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Apr  1 12:10:26 2013
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:10:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
	<20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <003501ce2f04$3028d4c0$907a7e40$@net>

Thanks Randall..Quite enlightening.
RB

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; budscars at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars


---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
> the car?

They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).

When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.

At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.

Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.

Randall


From ponobill at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 15:41:46 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:41:46 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com>

Like any other emerging infrastructure, it's not as "good" as the technology
it replaces. Of course if we were starting off fresh with no transportation
technology a piston-driven internal combustion engine would the the very last
possibility considered. Horrible design choice, but after a hundred years of
development it's pretty tough to compete with either the design or the
infrastructure that supports it. It's SO entrenched that hybrid cars use it as
a generator driver when a turbine-derived design would be so much more
efficient, and a small fuel cell would be even better.

Electric and other technologies will replace gasoline as a fuel, and it's
conceivable that a piston-driven engine will be replaced. Such a hideous and
intrinsically limited design.

My next car for Maui will definitely be electric-based. I can and will run it
for "free". I generate about 200KWH per week with photovoltaic panels, and
I'll double that next year. Given Maui's electric rates and the cost of
gasoline they pay for themselves in five years. I don't have any other
investments that come anywhere close to the ROI. I can do math, so until the
engine in my jeep drops out onto the road I'll probably still be using that,
but given expected battery life an electric vehicle pencils out very nicely
here.

I've also built an electric bicycle here that I use for shuttling myself when
I do downwind runs (drop the bike off, drive to the start, do the run, drive
the bike back to pick up the jeep. Yes I could pedal, but after paddling a
stand up surfboard ten miles a little boost is nice. My bicycle runs on the
same 4S 5000MAH lithium polymer batteries that I use for my quadcopter drone.
I just slot four of them into a case I made and it's good for about thrity
miles with hills.

I also made an electric tricycle that everyone in the Northwest is really
tired of seeing in the pits. It does 50 MPH on the flats and I've done a
century ride with it--over Mount Hood. A "short" ride with it is 50 miles.
Great little grocery getter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC_o66ABn6M


On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>> car?
>
> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>
> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>
> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.
>
> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>
> Randall
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Tue Apr  2 08:41:04 2013
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:41:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Underdrive Pulley for Lucas Alternator
Message-ID: <8CFFDC73C8E35DE-9E0-50280@webmail-d235.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

I seem to remember some one here asking about an underdrive pulley for their
Lucas Alternator.  Well while I searched for my hoard of parts for a project
on my Spit GT, I came across just such an item.  This is a part I had made up
for when I used a Lucas Alternator on my car, it's roughly 5 inches in
diameter.  I could send a photo to your email if interested.

Cheers,
Bob T
'63 Spitfire  street
'64 Spit GT   autocrosser


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr  2 09:02:01 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:02:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] CAM CORE NEEDED FOR REGRIND   TR3/4
Message-ID: <8CFFDCA29B9E7BB-1814-4E7C4@webmail-d230.sysops.aol.com>

THANKS to all that helped on a cam selection for a specific
application....especially Larry Young.

Now a solid cam core is needed for regrind. Can anyone help?  I am helping a
guy with this.

Strange deal. TR3 is being built for some kind of high speed rallying in the
US. If I find out any more about it I will share. Engine builder says owner is
competing against V-8s and such.  Owner also rallies in Europe part of the
year with cars stationed over there.  interesting.

Thanks, once again!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Tue Apr  2 09:15:20 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:15:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
Message-ID: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>

Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
Will race gas be available? 
	I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
mystery.. 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Apr  2 09:51:00 2013
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:51:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas
Message-ID: <2097144514.431672.1364917860414.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The following has been around for a long time but funny none the less.

Gary



> ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS

> Positive ground depends on proper
> circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by
> retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as bsmokeb.
> Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this
> to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an
> electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly
> through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar
> across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are
> liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if
> one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a
> Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component
> no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The
> function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one
> device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the
> smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were
> considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely
> because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very
> unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical
> components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their
> Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this
> is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British
> engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk
> brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British
> Intelligence leaks national defense secrets.
>
> Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak
> smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable.
>
> In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy
> in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries
> of electrical components especially British units manufactured by
> Joseph Lucas, Ltd.
>
> And remember: bA gentleman does not motor about after dark.b
>
> Joseph Lucas bThe Prince of Darknessb 1842-1903
>
> A few Lucas quips:
>
> The Lucas motto: bGet home before dark.b
>
> Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit.
>
> Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper.
>
> Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.
>
> The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other
> three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.
>
> The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics.
>
> If Lucas made guns, wars would not start
>
> Back in the b70s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and
> began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they
> offered which did not suck.
>
> Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their
> refrigerators.


From mmoore at wave1.net  Tue Apr  2 09:48:15 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:48:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
In-Reply-To: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <00c601ce2fb9$7da6c620$78f45260$@net>

https://pvgpa.ejoinme.org/MyPages/RacerRegistration/tabid/267555/Default.asp
x


Thanks
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
2007 West 32nd Street
Erie, PA 16508

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
Fax:        814-864-7383


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of john hasty
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
To: 'FOT'
Subject: [Fot] PVGP

Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
Will race gas be available? 
	I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
mystery.. 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Apr  2 10:03:31 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:03:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <FC28DF4804384226AF2947F036A37197@hpd530>

John, check the VRG website; they have on-line registration. Vintage Racer 
Group, good bunch.
Look under events.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: [Fot] PVGP


> Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
> trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
> on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
> Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
> located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
> organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
> Will race gas be available?
> I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
> layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
> Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
> mystery..
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Apr  2 10:31:08 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:31:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <298919B8AC5445A68D1E2A53A69D02BD@hpd530>

John, go to VRG home, click on events, go down to the PVGP races at PIRC, 
then to Entry Form.
Then go back to Detailed Event Info, it will bring up a PVGP site. Hit 
"Drivers" and it will bring up all kinds of info.
Pit/paddock are on Hobart St and Prospect Dr. Very rustic, old days style. 
Park like setting.
There's a motorcycle club that watches over everything overnight, so no 
worries about security.
You have to keep in mind the race is in urban Pittsburgh, near Pitt, and 
getting around towing a trailer can be a bit trying, but not impossible.
The traffic grid: I'll relay what a H-P rep from the "Burgh" told me years 
ago; they got a river on one side and a mountain on the other, they do the 
best they can!
Good luck. Keith and Ralph, VRG guys, are very helpful.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: [Fot] PVGP


> Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
> trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
> on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
> Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
> located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
> organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
> Will race gas be available?
> I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
> layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
> Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
> mystery..
>
>
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 10:36:08 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 06:36:08 -1000
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
In-Reply-To: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local>
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I did the race in Payote during the All Aluminum Tour. I doubt much has
changed, but my memory sucks. There's not much need for crew credentials, the
whole event is free to the public. There was a nice reception at the arboretum
that you'll want tickets for though. As I recall it was driver and one guest
for most of the race-related events.

The paddock is along a road in Schenly Park. The name escapes me, but it's an
infamous gay cruising area. Space is limited, get there early. I set Nero up
in a great spot. Tech is in the paddock, they do a fine job with all the
organizational stuff. One vehicle pass, there was no race gas available--I
brought my own. There was a race the weekend prior at BeaverRun, a very fun
little track. Good event, I topped off my gas jugs there and had plenty for
the PVGP. You don't get that much track time, so you won't use too much. Great
event, and lots of fun stuff going on the week before in the area close to the
park. We had a wondferful time.

Take it easy during the race, the track is pretty dangerous. I didn't take
that advice (given by Burt Levy) and didn't have a problem, but everything you
could hit is pretty hard, even if it has a hay bale in front of it.

On Apr 2, 2013, at 5:15 AM, john hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> Amici:  I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having
> trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed
> on the site as to things such as:  Who do you make the entry fee check to?
> Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ?  Where is the paddock
> located?   Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member
> organizations?  How many vehicle passes?  How many crew included in entry?
> Will race gas be available?
> 	I have a good video from  Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track
> layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to
> Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a
> mystery..
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Apr  2 11:07:53 2013
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:07:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com>
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The problem with electric cars is that they run on whatever produces the 
electricity, usually natural gas or coal, both produce green house 
gases. The way you're doing it, Bill, makes more sense.  To have a 5 
year payout, Hawaii must have exceptional incentives for installing 
solar panels.  Payout periods are usually 10 to 15 years. The problem 
with incentives is that they usually change and rarely for the better.
Larry

On 4/1/2013 4:41 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:
> Like any other emerging infrastructure, it's not as "good" as the technology
> it replaces. Of course if we were starting off fresh with no transportation
> technology a piston-driven internal combustion engine would the the very last
> possibility considered. Horrible design choice, but after a hundred years of
> development it's pretty tough to compete with either the design or the
> infrastructure that supports it. It's SO entrenched that hybrid cars use it as
> a generator driver when a turbine-derived design would be so much more
> efficient, and a small fuel cell would be even better.
>
> Electric and other technologies will replace gasoline as a fuel, and it's
> conceivable that a piston-driven engine will be replaced. Such a hideous and
> intrinsically limited design.
>
> My next car for Maui will definitely be electric-based. I can and will run it
> for "free". I generate about 200KWH per week with photovoltaic panels, and
> I'll double that next year. Given Maui's electric rates and the cost of
> gasoline they pay for themselves in five years. I don't have any other
> investments that come anywhere close to the ROI. I can do math, so until the
> engine in my jeep drops out onto the road I'll probably still be using that,
> but given expected battery life an electric vehicle pencils out very nicely
> here.
>
> I've also built an electric bicycle here that I use for shuttling myself when
> I do downwind runs (drop the bike off, drive to the start, do the run, drive
> the bike back to pick up the jeep. Yes I could pedal, but after paddling a
> stand up surfboard ten miles a little boost is nice. My bicycle runs on the
> same 4S 5000MAH lithium polymer batteries that I use for my quadcopter drone.
> I just slot four of them into a case I made and it's good for about thrity
> miles with hills.
>
> I also made an electric tricycle that everyone in the Northwest is really
> tired of seeing in the pits. It does 50 MPH on the flats and I've done a
> century ride with it--over Mount Hood. A "short" ride with it is 50 miles.
> Great little grocery getter.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC_o66ABn6M
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>>> car?
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
> more acceptance.
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>> Randall
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From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  1 14:00:04 2013
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:00:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>

You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles and
oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
power....maybe not in my lifetime but.

I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me.
Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>> car?
>
> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>
> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>
> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.
>
> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>
> Randall
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From PegAndBobM at aol.com  Tue Apr  2 11:57:43 2013
From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:57:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
Message-ID: <b8b3.1bf946f8.3e8c7617@aol.com>

Advertisement from Denver Craigslist for 1953 prototype.  FYI only, no  
association, nor knowledge of claims made.
 
Link: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3717049749.html


From igofaster at att.net  Tue Apr  2 12:05:18 2013
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net>
Message-ID: <1364925918.55583.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

not having an electric or hybrid type car I have an opinion... they are not as 
'green' as they could be touted in the long run. The lithium batteries are not 
forever batteries and at some date and time they will have to be disposed of. 
I'm not sure of the re-cycling phase of that process... and lithium is not a 
natural product found easily around the world...
I had a neighbor, Rick Perry (not the Texas governor) who was a 5 state 
representative for Audi America.. (we own our third Audi) and his thought about 
diesel was pretty interesting... I think most of us 'racer' types have seen what 
Audi has done in the past with Formula 1 and diesel powered F1 super 
cars....amazing success story I'm sure most will agree...but.. 100 mpg is not a 
stretch in the real world for a diesel powered vehicle in the near future... 
diesel is a product that can be made out of natural products, like cooking oil, 
in the bio-diesel realm of things...
Seem to reason IMHO that diesel or bio-diesel could be a long term solution to 
energy and 'green' standards for the future of consumer automobiles.... just a 
thought....   Bobby Whitehead
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, April 1, 2013 11:20:09 AM
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  2 12:18:41 2013
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:18:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas
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References: <2097144514.431672.1364917860414.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Some years ago there was a genuine Lucas Smoke Replacement Kit on ebay. It included a bottle of genuine Lucas smoke and several needles for proper injection. Since once can never have too many tools at their disposal I put a casual bid on it but I think it wound up going for something like $100!

Gary Schneider





>________________________________
> From: "vintage.racer at comcast.net" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
>To: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net> 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:51 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas
> 
>The following has been around for a long time but funny none the less.
>
>Gary
>
>
>
>> ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS
>
>> Positive ground depends on proper
>> circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by
>> retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as bsmokeb.
>> Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this
>> to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an
>> electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly
>> through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar
>> across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are
>> liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if
>> one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a
>> Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component
>> no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The
>> function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one
>> device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the
>> smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were
>> considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely
>> because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very
>> unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical
>> components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their
>> Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this
>> is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British
>> engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk
>> brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British
>> Intelligence leaks national defense secrets.
>>
>> Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak
>> smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable.
>>
>> In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy
>> in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries
>> of electrical components especially British units manufactured by
>> Joseph Lucas, Ltd.
>>
>> And remember: bA gentleman does not motor about after dark.b
>>
>> Joseph Lucas bThe Prince of Darknessb 1842-1903
>>
>> A few Lucas quips:
>>
>> The Lucas motto: bGet home before dark.b
>>
>> Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit.
>>
>> Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper.
>>
>> Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.
>>
>> The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other
>> three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.
>>
>> The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics.
>>
>> If Lucas made guns, wars would not start
>>
>> Back in the b70s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and
>> began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they
>> offered which did not suck.
>>
>> Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their
>> refrigerators.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr  2 12:44:36 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MADMARX  VITON SEALS    -  ARRIVED TODAY.
Message-ID: <8CFFDE941F7BE7B-17F8-4EB6C@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

Chris Marx just sent me a large number of his TR3/4 REAR CRANK seal kits to
distribute in NORTH AMERICA.

I had several inquiries, but cant remember them all.

You might have to remind me.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From rikrock at live.com  Tue Apr  2 18:14:35 2013
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
Message-ID: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>

Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
________________________________
From: PegAndBobM at aol.com
Sent: 4/2/2013 2:28 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype

Advertisement from Denver Craigslist for 1953 prototype.  FYI only, no
association, nor knowledge of claims made.

Link: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3717049749.html
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 18:40:57 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:40:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>

I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't contemporary
reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?

Duncan Charlton
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red


On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:

> Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr  2 19:09:43 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:09:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>
References: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>
	<BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind.

I don't think any prototypes survived.

Someone on the list will likely know.....

A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s.

That was interesting.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
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To: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype


I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't contemporary
reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?

Duncan Charlton
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red


On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:

> Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  2 19:15:16 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:15:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP  too
Message-ID: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>

I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th weekend.
Anybody else going to be there?


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue Apr  2 19:50:54 2013
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:50:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
References: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl>,
	<BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>,
	<8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY147-W7C270D33DD5E201E51F64C8D80@phx.gbl>

It must be a fake or a hoax.

It has always been understood that there was only one TR1 prototype. It  was
shown at the Earls Court show in London in the fall of 1953. By the time
Geneva came around the following March, Ken Richardson had had his say and the
car had been altered with the familiar trunk, a different chassis and other
alterations to the bodywork.

The photo in the ad was a period shot showing the front of the TR-1 but there
was nothing on the actual car being sold.
 April Fool, I guess. Mike Cook
> To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:09:43 -0400
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
>
> I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind.
>
> I don't think any prototypes survived.
>
> Someone on the list will likely know.....
>
> A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s.
>
> That was interesting.
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
>
>
> I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't
contemporary
> reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?
>
> Duncan Charlton
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:
>
> > Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Apr  2 20:00:05 2013
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 21:00:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <515B8D25.1060506@pobox.com>

Diesel is a technology overlooked in the US, because the solution has 
been dictated by the government.   Europe is about 50% diesel. I have a 
friend that averages 50 mpg in his Volkswagen Golf.  My big X5 BMW gets 
29 mpg at 70 mph.  With that massive torque and 6 speed transmission it 
easily pulls my 18 foot enclosed car trailer with about 14 mpg.  I 
previously had a Ford Expedition with a 5.4L gas engine.  It didn't tow 
as well, averaging about 9 mpg.  Diesels still produce green house 
gases, but to a lesser extent than gas engines.  Otherwise, with today.s 
technology it is very clean. Unfortunately, it has a bad reputation with 
people that remember all the noise and soot from city buses.

This discussion is starting to get political, so I'm dropping out from 
now on.
Larry

On 4/1/2013 3:00 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles and
> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me.
> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>>> car?
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
> more acceptance.
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>> Randall
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 23:59:38 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:59:38 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <515B1069.1050602@pobox.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com>
	<515B1069.1050602@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <B9BAD660-CFA9-4D4E-B725-06B572E86FBF@bnj.com>

It's not really the incentives that make it worthwhile, though they were just
fine, thank you, but there are plenty of people here with $1000 per month
electric bills. The main generators burn oil and there's a fuel surcharge that
floats on top of the approved electric rate. We have a growing number of wind
generators, but it's still less than 15% of the island's power.  So you spend
$40K on photovoltaics, drop your electric bill from $800 per month (in my
case) to $14 and the math is pretty simple. In today's 3% ROI economy I'd have
to invest $320,000 to yield $9600 per year,  so my $40K investment seems
pretty sound.

The "green" aspect of electric cars is shifting pretty quickly, though
honestly, I could care less about that kind of bullshit. The US is fast
becoming the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas (because of shale fracking), we're
already the Saudi Arabia of Coal and we're likely to become the Saudi Arabia
of Oil. Weirdly blessed with natural resources. Coal is pretty nasty, but you
can burn natural gas in a lot of ways that limit it's environmental effect.

All of our worries about global warming and other greenhouse gasses will be
pretty trivial as the third world continues it's steep ramp up the consumption
curve. China will surpass the US in CO2 generation this year, and their
pollution levels in dust and coal black are double ours. Move your troublesome
manufacturing out of the country all you like, it's still just one planet.

Electric cars are a popcorn fart compared to the real issues that face the
world. But saying they're useless because they use electricity from plants
that produce greenhouse gas demonstrates a deep lack of understanding of the
economics of transportable fuel vs. centralized power generation, as well as
just  basic thermodynamics. Its just an easy thing to repeat. If you really do
the math or a little research you'll be more enthusiastic.


On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:

> The problem with electric cars is that they run on whatever produces the
electricity, usually natural gas or coal, both produce green house gases. The
way you're doing it, Bill, makes more sense.  To have a 5 year payout, Hawaii
must have exceptional incentives for installing solar panels.  Payout periods
are usually 10 to 15 years. The problem with incentives is that they usually
change and rarely for the better.
> Larry


From mmoore at wave1.net  Wed Apr  3 03:55:49 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 05:55:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP  too
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01ce3051$6bfbee80$43f3cb80$@net>

I will be going, it's a VRG event

Thanks
Mike 62 TR4

Michael T. Moore, CPA
2007 West 32nd Street
Erie, PA 16508

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
Fax:        814-864-7383

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marty sukey
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:15 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] PVGP too

I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th
weekend.
Anybody else going to be there?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr  3 11:01:09 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:01:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] cam cores and Tom Kreger's email?
Message-ID: <8CFFEA3F968840B-1374-3C1C@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks for all of the help with cam cores....got it done.

Does anyone have email for Tom Kreger?  Thanks again.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  2 12:24:33 2013
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:24:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <9u9p0yw4k388jp42p5sn6rng.1364927073610@email.android.com>

It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a Prius when you include battery disposal.

Full disclosure, I just took delivery of a hybrid, but it shares the garage with a F150. The Triumphs reside in a separate garage.

When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' than any electric or hybrid vehicle.

Cheers,

Doug
--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:

>You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
>hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
>landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles and
>oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
>power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
>I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
>backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me.
>Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
>Ty
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>(Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
>On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
>>> car?
>>
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his
>1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
>means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has a
>relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>>
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
>scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>>
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
>Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
>doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it
>doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
>more acceptance.
>>
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion.
>There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
>on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
>They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
>pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>>
>> Randall
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Apr  2 14:22:13 2013
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:22:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <1364925918.55583.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <72479266.357425.1364934133494.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

"What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..



what becomes of the car"



I have two words......Big Block

Wouldn't that be a hoot. A supercharged GM big block running amidships in a
Prius.



jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: budscars at comcast.net
Cc: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:05:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars

not having an electric or hybrid type car I have an opinion... they are not as
'green' as they could be touted in the long run. The lithium batteries are not
forever batteries and at some date and time they will have to be disposed of.
I'm not sure of the re-cycling phase of that process... and lithium is not a
natural product found easily around the world...
I had a neighbor, Rick Perry (not the Texas governor) who was a 5 state
representative for Audi America.. (we own our third Audi) and his thought
about
diesel was pretty interesting... I think most of us 'racer' types have seen
what
Audi has done in the past with Formula 1 and diesel powered F1 super
cars....amazing success story I'm sure most will agree...but.. 100 mpg is not
a
stretch in the real world for a diesel powered vehicle in the near future...
diesel is a product that can be made out of natural products, like cooking
oil,
in the bio-diesel realm of things...
Seem to reason IMHO that diesel or bio-diesel could be a long term solution to
energy and 'green' standards for the future of consumer automobiles.... just a
thought.... B  Bobby Whitehead
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, April 1, 2013 11:20:09 AM
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars

What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are B no good
anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the
car?

RB
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Apr  2 16:23:53 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com>

Hydrogen has to be produced also.  You can either extract it from the air or
strip it off of water molecules.  Both processes take energy, and if I
recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM
To: Randall
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars

You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles
and
oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
power....maybe not in my lifetime but.

I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped
me.
Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
the
>> car?
>
> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for
his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has
a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>
> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>
> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that
it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.
>
> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal
combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>
> Randall
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From weredinger at cox.net  Tue Apr  2 20:23:52 2013
From: weredinger at cox.net (Bill)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:23:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1953 TR 1 Prototype
In-Reply-To: <8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
References: <DUB405-EAS151BF6108F221BB2DC1F339C6D80@phx.gbl><BB130C1F-6284-4AA8-BE6A-F1DDE3BAB3BD@gmail.com>
	<8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B79DB3124B2C4EB188C03E43C38D5E99@HomePC>

TR1 was a one off concept car used as the 1952 Earls Court, England, Show 
Car and was revised after the show to have a trunk and became a TR2 
Prototype, one of Ken Richardson's test cars. April Fools!

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype


>I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind.
>
> I don't think any prototypes survived.
>
> Someone on the list will likely know.....
>
> A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s.
>
> That was interesting.
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype
>
>
> I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum.  Didn't 
> contemporary
> reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly?
>
> Duncan Charlton
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote:
>
>> Listing has been removed.  April fools or the real deal??
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr  3 12:08:11 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:08:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <9u9p0yw4k388jp42p5sn6rng.1364927073610@email.android.com>
References: <9u9p0yw4k388jp42p5sn6rng.1364927073610@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <515C700B.7030800@bradakis.com>

Doug Mitchell wrote:
> It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a Prius when you include battery disposal.
>
I recall something about the earlier Prius models being one of the most 
environmentally
unfriendly cars to produce.  I can't recall the exact details, but it 
involved the nickel for
the batteries being mined in South Africa, the ore shipped to a smelter 
in Spain, then
halfway around the world to be formed into sheets, then the sheets 
shipped to Canada
to be made into batteries, which were shipped to Japan and put into cars 
that were
shipped back to North America.  That's a LOT of miles to be covered, 
powered by
petroleum.

mjb.


From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Apr  3 12:22:18 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:22:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <446cf.21d71bec.3e8dcd59@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/03/2013 11:54:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' 
> than any electric or hybrid vehicle.
> 

You mean...British Racing Green?

Bill (Damdinger)


From billdentin at aol.com  Wed Apr  3 15:24:36 2013
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:24:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
Message-ID: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>

Amici...

More sad news.  Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
February)
broke loose from its Alabama mooring.  I still say we should initiate a
movement
to get Carnival to change the ship's name.

Bill (Damdinger)


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Apr  3 16:10:02 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:10:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>

To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :)

At least with TRABANT they could reuse some of the lettering.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 4:25 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...

Amici...

More sad news.  Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
February)
broke loose from its Alabama mooring.  I still say we should initiate a
movement
to get Carnival to change the ship's name.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Apr  3 16:22:44 2013
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:22:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B2D1DE12-15FF-4430-97B1-20A8092C7D08@seiri.com>

A friend of mine's father was asked to inspect the boat post incident. The
stories are pretty amazing. Engine #1 apparently blew the glow plugs right out
of the head, which, when followed by lots of volatiles, lead to a pretty
spectacular fire.

On Apr 3, 2013, at 17:24, billdentin at aol.com wrote:

> Amici...
>
> More sad news.  Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
> February)
> broke loose from its Alabama mooring.  I still say we should initiate a
> movement
> to get Carnival to change the ship's name.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr  3 16:31:29 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>
References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com>
	<000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>
Message-ID: <515CADC1.5030103@bradakis.com>

Tim Murphy wrote:
> To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :)
>
MG would be pretty easy to spell ;-)

mjb.


From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Apr  3 16:54:59 2013
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:54:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <883350473-1365029698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1485343904-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>

I leased a chevy volt in dec 2012.. Three year deal. Since dec 10 I filled up w 8 gallons gas.  With another car I would have filled at least every ten days.    I have a solar panel array.  This past weekend I made about about 56KW per day.  As the days get longer the array generates perhaps 70+KW. 

The car is nearly noisless, gobs of instant torque and smooth.  I. Want to hot rod it and take it on the track.  Does scca have an all electric class?
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From ponobill at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 22:03:33 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:03:33 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <883350473-1365029698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1485343904-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>
References: <883350473-1365029698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1485343904-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <BBED53F5-7D8B-4AEF-9475-09B2DE657CC8@bnj.com>

I consider the Chevy Volt to be the best engineered and most practical of all
the electrics. The technology is superb, it's a real achievement.



On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:54 PM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote:

> I leased a chevy volt in dec 2012.. Three year deal. Since dec 10 I filled
up w 8 gallons gas.  With another car I would have filled at least every ten
days.    I have a solar panel array.  This past weekend I made about about
56KW per day.  As the days get longer the array generates perhaps 70+KW.
>
> The car is nearly noisless, gobs of instant torque and smooth.  I. Want to
hot rod it and take it on the track.  Does scca have an all electric class?
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 01:57:43 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:57:43 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <65C90AB5-71C9-46DD-87FA-F1D58E206FDA@bnj.com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
	<001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com>
	<65C90AB5-71C9-46DD-87FA-F1D58E206FDA@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <0964D2C0-52C6-4427-809B-19E627B846C7@gmail.com>

One last comment and then I'll quit. the REAL issue holding back cheap,
efficient, "green" transportation is the mixed mode of transport. for a car to
be safe it has to survive on a road with trucks and existing two ton cars --
which is the average weight of cars in America, from the 3,200 pound Honda
Accord (most popular car) to the 5500 pound F150. There's no way to be super
efficient when you have to move two tons to carry one person--which is all the
average car has in it (well, 1.24 occupants, but its close enough). One ton
per person is ridiculous, especially when you have to climb hills, two is
insane. Should be something more like two hundred pounds per person. Easy to
do with carbon fiber and modern electric stuff. My tricycle weighs 65 pounds
and goes 65 MPH. Stops on a dime and gives you seven cents change. Of course
you have to be crazy to do that in mixed traffic, which is pretty much what
the cops have been telling me each time they catch me.

Next time you're stuck in traffic, picture all those massive cars replaced
with tiny, light, two person vehicles. Poof, traffic jam gone. Except in
Italy, where it's already happened but the roads were built for bicycles--or
maybe scooters.


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr  4 03:12:33 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:12:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304040509350.3927@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I'm not sure if this got posted earlier, but I tripped across this neat 
poster of the 2012 Pagoda Hillclimb... it's on the bottom of the BMR home 
page:

http://www.bmr-scca.org/

That sure looks a lot like Richard Good's hillclimb car...

Neat!

rml
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From rikrock at live.com  Thu Apr  4 08:39:16 2013
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:39:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo
Message-ID: <BLU403-EAS2402D261A3300FE610C87B4C6D90@phx.gbl>

Yes, that is Richard Good's car.  We do a poster every year advertising our
two hillclimbs.  It's Blue Mountain Region SCCA, not Blue Ridge.

Bob, are you still planning on coming to Pagoda Hillclimb in  June?  Entry
forms will be out soon.

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Robert M. Lang
Sent: 4/4/2013 5:45 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo

Hi,

I'm not sure if this got posted earlier, but I tripped across this neat
poster of the 2012 Pagoda Hillclimb... it's on the bottom of the BMR home
page:

http://www.bmr-scca.org/

That sure looks a lot like Richard Good's hillclimb car...

Neat!

rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr  4 09:22:00 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:22:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo
In-Reply-To: <BLU403-EAS2402D261A3300FE610C87B4C6D90@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU403-EAS2402D261A3300FE610C87B4C6D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304041118410.8711@isis.mit.edu>

On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Rich Rock wrote:

> Yes, that is Richard Good's car.  We do a poster every year advertising our
> two hillclimbs.  It's Blue Mountain Region SCCA, not Blue Ridge.

OOps.

> Bob, are you still planning on coming to Pagoda Hillclimb in  June?  Entry
> forms will be out soon.

I'm leaning that way. I finally got my medical forms all squared away and 
will get the application in the mail tomorrow for the SCCA novice 
time-trial license. So things are looking up.

There's an outside chance that I won't be able to make it, but at this 
stage it's actually a fairly remote chance.

Selling a house is a lot of work!

> Rich Rock

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From jkhagen at charter.net  Wed Apr  3 12:28:55 2013
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:28:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
Message-ID: <785bba94.6621fa.13dd128a90c.Webtop.46@charter.net>

It's been said that the carbon footprint of building/buying a new car is 
about equal to driving it the average 7 years.  Soooo-stop waste 
"Recycle old race cars"
    John Hagen


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote:

> It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a 
> Prius when you include battery disposal.
>
> Full disclosure, I just took delivery of a hybrid, but it shares the 
> garage with a F150. The Triumphs reside in a separate garage.
>
> When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' 
> than any electric or hybrid vehicle.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doug
> --
> Doug Mitchell
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
>
> Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power 
>> plants,
>> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in 
>> a
>> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" 
>> vehicles and
>> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
>> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>>
>> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy 
>> was
>> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about 
>> clipped me.
>> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>>
>> Ty
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes 
>>>> of the
>>>> car?
>>>
>>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery 
>>> for his
>> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I 
>> suspect
>> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a 
>> Prius has a
>> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>>>
>>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it 
>>> gets
>> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>>>
>>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility 
>>> is in
>> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, 
>> but it
>> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so 
>> cheap that it
>> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric 
>> cars gain
>> more acceptance.
>>>
>>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal 
>>> combustion.
>> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting 
>> and so
>> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to 
>> claim.
>> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of 
>> the
>> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>>>
>>> Randall
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 14:33:04 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:33:04 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
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Message-ID: <65C90AB5-71C9-46DD-87FA-F1D58E206FDA@bnj.com>

Yup. Numerous ways of making hydrogen, but all involve either natural gas or
methane as a feedstock plus steam to feed the reaction, or hydrolysis, using
electricity. It's just a transportable storage medium, the same as electricity
in batteries. And of course it takes more energy to produce it than it
releases when you recombine it. Trust good old themodynamics to apply a tax.

Transportable fuels require a lot of energy to make and transport, including
gasolene and diesel.

A common error is to just look at how much energy is required to obtain and
refine the fuel. It also takes energy to build and maintain the refineries,
and build, operate and maintain the transportation structure to and from the
refineries, build, maintain and operate the gas stations. Seven percent of the
energy in the US is used to operate refineries. Crank that up to include all
the infrastructure and transport costs and it's probably more like ten
percent. That works out to about 15KWH per gallon.

Gasolene energy equivalence is roughly 33 KWH/gallon

Ethanol generates about 25 KWH/gal. Ethanol gets a bad rap, mostly because the
early plants (1980) were inefficient. State of the art plants for corn-based
ethanol are nearly twice as efficient as early plants, and create co-products
that have value as feed, fertilizer, and plastic feedstock. An energy output
of around 84,000 BTUs/gallon requires 48,000BTUs/gal to produce and the
co-products are worth about 36,000 BTUs for a net energy gain of about 72,000
BTUs -- about 150%. That calculation includes all energy inputs, including
bulk transport, fertilizer, etc. but does not include the infrastructure
energy costs required to build refineries.

Of course corn used for ethanol starves a kid in india, so they say. That
arguement didn't work for me when my Mom told me to clean my plate. It remains
a bit thin today. Ultimately there's cellulosic ethanol, and if the ethanol
market keeps growing we'll be making that too. The yield is higher in terms of
energy in/energy out, but the infrastructure is more expensive. No one is
jumping on that. The co-products from cellulosic ethanol are more valuable
than corn-based. Good plastic feedstocks, surfactants, building materials,
specialized alchohols, etc.

Again, no easy answers, but facile statements like "ethanol takes more energy
to produce than it yields" is simply repeating what some flack got some lazy
reporters to publish.


On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:23 PM, "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:

> Hydrogen has to be produced also.  You can either extract it from the air
or
> strip it off of water molecules.  Both processes take energy, and if I
> recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: Randall
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars
>
> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles
> and
> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped
> me.
> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
> the
>>> car?
>>
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for
> his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I
suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has
> a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>>
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>>
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that
> it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars
gain
> more acceptance.
>>
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal
> combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>>
>> Randall
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Apr  3 16:39:37 2013
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:39:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...
In-Reply-To: <000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com>
Message-ID: <481466458.398561.1365028777282.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

With a couple well placed shaped charges we could call it ......Carnival Reef.

jim g



----- Original Message -----


From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: billdentin at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...

To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :)

At least with TRABANT they could reuse some of the lettering.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 4:25 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again...

Amici...

More sad news. B Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in
February)
broke loose from its Alabama mooring. B I still say we should initiate a
movement
to get Carnival to change the ship's name.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Wed Apr  3 22:52:22 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:52:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP  too
References: <BLU168-W1303F9DFFA23725ED821F7BAD80@phx.gbl>
	<000d01ce3051$6bfbee80$43f3cb80$@net>
Message-ID: <0DC6B17F42CE4A46B3EB7062FCBB5EC9@hpd530>

I'll be there.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "'marty sukey'" <trmarty at hotmail.com>; "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP too


>I will be going, it's a VRG event
>
> Thanks
> Mike 62 TR4
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 2007 West 32nd Street
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
> Fax:        814-864-7383
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of marty sukey
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:15 PM
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] PVGP too
>
> I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th
> weekend.
> Anybody else going to be there?
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Apr  4 13:37:14 2013
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:37:14 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <65C90AB5-71C9-46DD-87FA-F1D58E206FDA@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20130404193714.L5ZZ4.60397.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>

---- Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Seven percent of the
> energy in the US is used to operate refineries. 

I think there is something wrong with that number.  Refineries are powered primarily by electricity, and they just don't use that much electricity.

For example, http://goo.gl/Ag0dy reports that the US petroleum industry used approx 48E12 wH in 2005.  But our national consumption for 2005 was around 3800E12.  So oil refineries (which produce much more than just gasoline & diesel) only used about 1% of the electricity.

And gasoline production (only) for 2005 was about 130E9 gallons
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=wgfrpus2&f=w
meaning it took less than 400 wH per gallon of gasoline.

The only way I think you could get close to 7% is by counting petroleum that they take in and don't turn into energy sources; like asphalt and plastics.

It's really hard to beat pumping energy out of the ground ... until there isn't any left to pump out.  None of the "alternative" sources make much sense until we finally do run out of fossil fuels.  Of course, that particular sky has been reported to be falling for several decades now, but it hasn't happened yet.

Randall


From cregg.cowan at sri.com  Thu Apr  4 14:19:18 2013
From: cregg.cowan at sri.com (Cregg Cowan)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:19:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
Message-ID: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>

Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts,

In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the 
combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention
in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/).  The event is 
located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco.

Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for 
display (both new photos and vintage ones).
If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing to let 
us display them during the convention we would
be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your contribution.
We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to 11x17 or 
larger formats.

Thanks!

Cregg Cowan
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club


From clw2000 at msn.com  Thu Apr  4 14:46:19 2013
From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
References: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
Message-ID: <BLU154-W334DD36B0F1291DB0AAC69BFD90@phx.gbl>

Cregg -

I have tons of GT6 and Le Mans Spitfire pics that I can forward.  Let me know
if you prefer color or B&W or what.  Anyone else who wants to be copied, let
me know....

Thanks,

Chuck Watson


Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC









> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:19:18 -0700
> From: cregg.cowan at sri.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
>
> Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts,
>
> In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the
> combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention
> in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/). The event is
> located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco.
>
> Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for
> display (both new photos and vintage ones).
> If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing to let
> us display them during the convention we would
> be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your contribution.
> We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to 11x17 or
> larger formats.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cregg Cowan
> Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 14:52:06 2013
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
References: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com>
Message-ID: <004901ce3176$46aabe60$d4003b20$@com>

Check out my website, www.botchagaloop.net and see if you can find anything
you like.
If you want the 300dpi version send me the complete name(s) of the photo(s)
which is displayed.
Without that name I cannot dig the higher res copy out...

Give yourself a few days to peruse!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos
"Reality, it's not what you think." 


From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 15:08:57 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:08:57 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <20130404193714.L5ZZ4.60397.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
References: <20130404193714.L5ZZ4.60397.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <9E0EF74E-07E8-4F47-8D85-63A126957BC8@bnj.com>

The generally used rule of thumb for energy required to make gasolene is 13KWH
per gallon from all sources of energy required. That's a long way from 400
watt hours, which sounds kind of silly right up front. I don't recall the
source of the 7% number. I was pulling it from memory, and I think it includes
all energy used in refineries, not just electricity. There's a billion sources
on the web, but there's a lot of information gathered at this site, a strongly
slanted view, but the sources cited are reasonable and the guys conclusions
are both rational and interesting: http://www.evnut.com/gasoline_oil.htm

On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Seven percent of the
>> energy in the US is used to operate refineries.
>
> I think there is something wrong with that number.  Refineries are powered
primarily by electricity, and they just don't use that much electricity.
>
> For example, http://goo.gl/Ag0dy reports that the US petroleum industry used
approx 48E12 wH in 2005.  But our national consumption for 2005 was around
3800E12.  So oil refineries (which produce much more than just gasoline &
diesel) only used about 1% of the electricity.
>
> And gasoline production (only) for 2005 was about 130E9 gallons
> http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=wgfrpus2&f=w
> meaning it took less than 400 wH per gallon of gasoline.
>
> The only way I think you could get close to 7% is by counting petroleum that
they take in and don't turn into energy sources; like asphalt and plastics.
>
> It's really hard to beat pumping energy out of the ground ... until there
isn't any left to pump out.  None of the "alternative" sources make much sense
until we finally do run out of fossil fuels.  Of course, that particular sky
has been reported to be falling for several decades now, but it hasn't
happened yet.
>
> Randall
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr  4 15:25:55 2013
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:25:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
Message-ID: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>

Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any preference for one photo sharing site over another? I have many old photos that I am scanning, as well as video clips that I would like to put on a sharing site for others to see.

Thanks,

Doug
--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net


From koblinger at verizon.net  Thu Apr  4 15:55:04 2013
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:55:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
Message-ID: <7648873.381556.1365112504304.JavaMail.root@vms170033>



From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr  4 16:14:35 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:14:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos,
 new and old   now  FOT WEBSITE.
In-Reply-To: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
References: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <8CFFF98ECAE3DC6-1374-FC6E@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>

We have a FRIEND'S OF TRIUMPH website, but we are looking for someone to
maintain it.

Mordy DUNST is the 'sponsor' of the site.

Henry FRYE  is the 'webmaster' of the site.

I believe we are presently looking for someone support Henry with edited
material and submissions, along with manipulating the material.

Perhaps Mordy and Henry can elaborate on this, more, but if anyone has any
skills in this arena, please speak up.

Thanks

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old


Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any preference for one
photo
sharing site over another? I have many old photos that I am scanning, as well
as
video clips that I would like to put on a sharing site for others to see.

Thanks,

Doug
--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr  4 17:54:12 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:54:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] ELECTRIC CARS   >   ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT
Message-ID: <8CFFFA6D7094C13-1374-1042B@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>

Another dimension of electric travel......While we are at it.

Last year, I stopped to see legendary sailplane designer, George Applebay,
just outside Albuquerque, NM.  In his mid-80s, he is adapting electric power
assist to one of his sailplane designs.

Shortly, there will a conference in Santa Rosa, California on electric powered
flight.

A European aircraft manufacturer just completed the first of two 30 minute
flights.

Good to see this stuff going on, regardless of the outcomes. You never know
where it might lead.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Apr  4 18:07:16 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:07:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos,
 new and old   now   FOT WEBSITE.
In-Reply-To: <8CFFF98ECAE3DC6-1374-FC6E@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>
References: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
	<8CFFF98ECAE3DC6-1374-FC6E@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <515E15B4.5020905@bradakis.com>

One can go to the Team.Net forum [ link below ] and use the Triumph forum
for pics and such.

mjb.


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Apr  4 18:36:34 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:36:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank case ventin
Message-ID: <775BDD31-07EF-4E0C-BBD8-36EEC7D1D7C7@aol.com>

Amici

I know there was a topic about crankcase venting and a link to a website.  I
searched the archives and can't find it.

Please help


From cregg.cowan at sri.com  Thu Apr  4 23:13:54 2013
From: cregg.cowan at sri.com (Cregg Cowan)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:13:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <68f60.633e14d5.3e8f6672@aol.com>
References: <68f60.633e14d5.3e8f6672@aol.com>
Message-ID: <515E5D92.2080604@sri.com>

Thanks everyone for the enthusiastic response --- I'm thrilled and a 
little bit overwhelmed.  It will take a few days to digest all of the 
responses, but I will get back to each of you as soon as I can.

Certainly digital scans are the easiest to handle, but I'm not opposed 
to the idea of borrowing prints, making copies and sending back the 
originals.

What a group!

Best Regards,
Cregg

REK46 at aol.com wrote:
> wher do we send them, and can they be scans or computer photos or do 
> they have to be actual glossys?
>  
> In a message dated 4/4/2013 4:41:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> cregg.cowan at sri.com writes:
>
>     Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts,
>
>     In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the
>     combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention
>     in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/).  The event is
>     located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco.
>
>     Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for
>     display (both new photos and vintage ones).
>     If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing
>     to let
>     us display them during the convention we would
>     be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your
>     contribution.
>     We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to
>     11x17 or
>     larger formats.
>
>     Thanks!
>
>     Cregg Cowan
>     Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
>     _______________________________________________
>     fot at autox.team.net
>
>     http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Apr  5 10:15:58 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:15:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank case venting
Message-ID: <447D4B65-867C-4ACB-95C7-1CA6317F1D4F@aol.com>

Amici

Thank you for all the replies.   I now have what I was looking for. 

This list is awesome!

Thanks you all

Chris


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Apr  5 10:21:14 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:21:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Badges and flags
Message-ID: <237CB0DA-7DD4-4BCD-9F80-4FDBB7A52104@aol.com>

Amici

The Kastner Cup is approaching. Do you have your swag on?   

Flags $15 size is approx 23x34, printed on one side, grommets also. 

Grill badge $30, real gold, mounting hardware included. 

Both show the FOT crest as seen in the website. Pictures are available. 

Price includes shipping. 


Get them while they last. 

PayPal to SeaCubeCo at aol.com

Or check, MO, cash to
Chris Bock
19372 Handy Road
Bridgeville, DE 19933

Sincerely
Chris


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Apr  5 11:41:30 2013
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:41:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old
In-Reply-To: <n0aua0s3wncwl9d53bvqg62a.1365110755667@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <5D.7B.04559.2CC0F515@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any 
> preference for one photo sharing site over another?

I like Photobucket, it works better for me than the others I have tried.
They make it really easy to link to a single photograph, or an entire album.
Uploading is painless.  Although there is a size limit unless you pay for
the full service, the uploading process will automatically resize for you
rather than just refuse to work.  And they don't seem to mind that I have
most of the ads blocked.

One downside is that reorganizing your albums will break the link to
anything you move; and there isn't any way (that I've found) to replace a
photo without breaking the link.  Also it can be a pain to get a short link
to just the image instead of the entire web page (although maybe that's part
of a paid subscription).

http://www.photobucket.com/

-- Randall 


From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Apr  5 13:54:12 2013
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Electric cars
In-Reply-To: <001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com>
References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com>
	<001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com>
Message-ID: <515F2BE4.5090109@pobox.com>

It takes as much energy to convert water to hydrogen (and oxygen) as you 
get back when you burn it to get H20 back, minus those good old 
efficiency loses.  In thermodynamics there is never a free lunch. 
Storing hydrogen is one of the major problems, since it doesn't like to 
exist in liquid form and thus takes up a lot of space.  Since Oklahoma 
is a gas producing state, there is a lot of interest in CNG, but it has 
the same storage problem.  Nevertheless, a lot of public vehicles are 
being converted to CNG and a few filling stations are even showing up.  
Hydrogen seems like it would be very clean, but if all cars ran on it, 
how much would the humidity change in our cities?  Would Phoenix become 
more like Houston?  Not a happy thought.


On 4/2/2013 5:23 PM, Tim Murphy wrote:
> Hydrogen has to be produced also.  You can either extract it from the air or
> strip it off of water molecules.  Both processes take energy, and if I
> recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com(
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: Randall
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars
>
> You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles
> and
> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
> power....maybe not in my lifetime but.
>
> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped
> me.
> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
> the
>>> car?
>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for
> his
> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has
> a
> relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
> Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
> doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that
> it
> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
> more acceptance.
>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal
> combustion.
> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
> on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
> pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>> Randall
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr  6 00:06:04 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:06:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fun.
Message-ID: <515FBB4C.4070709@bradakis.com>

No power for 8 hours.  Possible hardware issues due to power bumps.
Computers can be fun.

mjb.


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Apr  6 07:32:48 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 09:32:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fun.
Message-ID: <6ed27.df26fc.3e917e00@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/06/2013 12:19:56 AM Central Standard Time, 
mark at bradakis.com writes:


> No power for 8 hours.  Possible hardware issues due to power bumps.
> Computers can be fun.
> 
> 

Mark...

I've had no power since June 20th, 1959, but she feeds me, and she says 
that she loves me.

Bill (Damdinger)


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sat Apr  6 10:38:27 2013
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 12:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR8 alloy wheels
Message-ID: <CALsVEtC51XaXsPgi-CLeFFJzqdaUL6v2AT_zfiF0PgG6tx4R1w@mail.gmail.com>

Someone had said they wanted the TR8 alloy wheels I had on my Spit.  I've
replaced them but now I can't remember who it was that wanted them.  If it
was someone on FOT please let me know.  Don


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:33:39 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:33:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>

Thought you might be interested to know, as of now there are 61 folks planning
on competition in the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. TR4 will be by far the
largest car group at 26 cars. I'm pretty sure that's a record turnout.
Everybody will be looking quite spiffy also as there are 100 event t-shirts on
order so far. There is still plenty of time to get your name added to the back
of the shirt and place an order.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:46:22 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>

Hi Marty,

Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von marty sukey
Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. April 2013 14:34
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup

Thought you might be interested to know, as of now there are 61 folks
planning on competition in the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. TR4 will be by
far the largest car group at 26 cars. I'm pretty sure that's a record
turnout.
Everybody will be looking quite spiffy also as there are 100 event t-shirts
on order so far. There is still plenty of time to get your name added to the
back of the shirt and place an order.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:56:30 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>,
	<000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>

Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place
the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make
arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time
advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if you
don't have it.

Marty

----------------------------------------
> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
>
> Hi Marty,
>
> Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
> How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?
>
> Cheers


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:58:37 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:58:37 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>,
	<000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
	<BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000101ce338f$a0b6d680$e2248380$@com>

I need one for myself.
I'm tall and slim. No idea about the size.
L or XL?

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: marty sukey [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. April 2013 14:56
An: MadMarx; FOT
Betreff: RE: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup

Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place
the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make
arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time
advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if
you don't have it.

Marty

----------------------------------------
> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
>
> Hi Marty,
>
> Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
> How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?
>
> Cheers
> Chris


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 06:58:46 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:58:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup oops
Message-ID: <BLU168-W118D518D270FAA3967B52F7BAC40@phx.gbl>

The Kastner Cup is at Road America this year. NOT Road Atlanta like I said in
my earlier email.


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Apr  7 07:23:51 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:23:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W8476AE829C4229932D6EEFBAC40@phx.gbl>
	<000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com>
	<BLU168-W118D4BC9475BDD10D68FD0EBAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48A52571-9323-455A-BE26-25BD413FEA32@aol.com>

I would like one XL shirt mailed to me

Thanks
Chris

On Apr 7, 2013, at 8:56 AM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place
> the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make
> arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time
> advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if
you
> don't have it.
>
> Marty
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: tr4racing at googlemail.com
>> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup
>> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200
>>
>> Hi Marty,
>>
>> Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event.
>> How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside?
>>
>> Cheers
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 18:42:12 2013
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:42:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
Message-ID: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>

Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires?
I see them for the TR6's.

Thanks,


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Apr  7 21:50:15 2013
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:50:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1365393015.40152.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Marty:
According to the part numbers they are the same part.
-Ed-

--- On Sun, 4/7/13, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, April 7, 2013, 7:42 PM


Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires?
I see them for the TR6's.

Thanks,
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Apr  7 21:57:24 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 21:57:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W31B8986A689F751DD4C9FFBAC50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <51624024.9070509@bradakis.com>

marty sukey wrote:
> Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires?
>

Is that the 1296 or the 1296?  I know the Mark 4 big journal 1296 is the
same as the TR6, and I think the small journal Mark 3 motor is the same,
but I'm not 100 percent positive.

mjb.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr  8 13:38:55 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 21:38:55 +0200
Subject: [Fot] My new tow car....
In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B340@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry>
	<5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> <002701ce0543$4905aee0$db110ca0$@com>
	<82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B21D@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
	<000901ce054b$8cd7ebd0$a687c370$@com>
	<82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B293@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
	<001501ce054e$241e5a40$6c5b0ec0$@com>
	<82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B340@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <000601ce3490$b65609f0$23021dd0$@com>

I was concerned if the Hummer H3  3.5L could tow my race car up steep hills
here in Europe.

As this car is made regular fuel I thought I could rise power and mileage
with some chip tuning.



So I bought an US software and created a new spark map.

Today was first test.with great result. Great torque, more top speed, and
it looks very promising for a better mileage.



I changed the ignition advance more to a racing style.



The stock total advance was 19 degree, now it has 29 degree which I dared
without a rolling road dyno test.



Next few days will show what consumption the car has with 98RON.



Cheers

Chris


From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Apr  9 16:12:55 2013
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:12:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [TR] FW: Windshield from Moss - Follow up
In-Reply-To: <000301ce3562$36855d20$a3901760$@net>
References: <000301ce3562$36855d20$a3901760$@net>
Message-ID: <107339F3C45145C0AD5DA21CDEDA11E8@Vista>

It could be that it was not cut wrong but was mislabeled.  There are two
different Spitfire windshields (up to 1970 and post 1970).  Since the
earlier ones also fit the other cars mentioned (including yours), that other
one may be a later Spit windshield that has been mislabeled or placed in the
wrong warehouse location.  Since Moss doesn't intentionally carry any
pre-1970 Spitfire parts, that may indeed be the issue.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Culligan
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:39 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] FW: Windshield from Moss - Follow up

I wrote:

  > I bought a windshield from Moss Motors back in January 2013.  It's for
my TR6 

>but it says it also fits TR4, Spits, GT6s, etc.  Well, it doesn't fit a
TR6.  The glass was 

>cut unevenly and the passenger side is too tall. Moss is sending a
replacement & 

>it is hoped that it will fit.  Just a word of caution.

 

The new windshield arrived and it fits just fine.  No idea how the 

other one got cut wrong. 

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U

 

PS. Someone asked if it's a Triplex - no, it's not. 

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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Wed Apr 10 06:30:44 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:30:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
Message-ID: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>

Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new 
race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.

Details at www.tr4racer.com

I'm running the car at VIR this weekend, and plan on the rest of my spring 
events with a For Sale sing on it, we'll see!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr 10 13:20:43 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:20:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA/FOT PLANNING - KASTNER CUP - 2013 ROAD AMERICA
Message-ID: <8D00437A16F6D55-30C-91E6@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

Just a note indicating the depth of planning:

VSCDA is allocating space for the TRIUMPH STREET CARS attending the KASTNER
CUP.

The space will be between the popular Turn 5 and Turn 6, honoring the fact
that we are the featured marque.

This fits in nicely with the Friends of Triumph Paddock Area & Garages across
from Turn 5.

REMINDER:  Reserve your garage space with Jason, ASAP.   (VSCDA TECH
INSPECTION will occur in these garages on THURSDAY afternoon)

We also in close proximity to the WELCOME DINNER on Friday Night. At that time
there will also be a 'TRIUMPH CAR SHOW' with both STREET TRs & and RACE
PREPARED TRs. The show is free and will be people's choice.

The FOT is getting a lot of attention, along with our VTR Brethren.





Joe Alexander
KASTNER CUP 2013
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Apr 10 14:06:08 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:06:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VSCDA/FOT PLANNING - KASTNER CUP - 2013 ROAD AMERICA
In-Reply-To: <8D00437A16F6D55-30C-91E6@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D00437A16F6D55-30C-91E6@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BA13D80C-4D36-4D1C-82C0-C596BB43AB70@gdhs.com>

Jason:  I think I have already sent you a pit reservation, but if not we have
a 60 foot Toterhome   Thanks
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> Just a note indicating the depth of planning:
>
> VSCDA is allocating space for the TRIUMPH STREET CARS attending the KASTNER
> CUP.
>
> The space will be between the popular Turn 5 and Turn 6, honoring the fact
> that we are the featured marque.
>
> This fits in nicely with the Friends of Triumph Paddock Area & Garages
across
> from Turn 5.
>
> REMINDER:  Reserve your garage space with Jason, ASAP.   (VSCDA TECH
> INSPECTION will occur in these garages on THURSDAY afternoon)
>
> We also in close proximity to the WELCOME DINNER on Friday Night. At that
time
> there will also be a 'TRIUMPH CAR SHOW' with both STREET TRs & and RACE
> PREPARED TRs. The show is free and will be people's choice.
>
> The FOT is getting a lot of attention, along with our VTR Brethren.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> KASTNER CUP 2013
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Apr 10 20:55:27 2013
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:55:27 +1000
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>

i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
TR with near stock ride height.
.
As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre

can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
work when viewed from above.

every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
appropriate " for the TR

thanks
Terry
Australia


From rjl6n at cstone.net  Thu Apr 11 05:48:10 2013
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:48:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness
happen.  Happy Birthday MJB!


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Apr 11 06:03:57 2013
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:03:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <1896530A-0AC8-4AA9-B78B-0E4CB80A92E1@aol.com>

Happy Birthday MJB!

On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "R. John Lye" <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:

> Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness
> happen.  Happy Birthday MJB!
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr 11 06:16:18 2013
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:16:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304110815540.5990@isis.mit.edu>

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, R. John Lye wrote:

> Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness
> happen.  Happy Birthday MJB!


LIKE!!!

rml
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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 07:30:23 2013
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:30:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 for Sale
Message-ID: <00d401ce36b8$b9050780$2b0f1680$@com>

Henry, you are selling your car too cheap.  If I wasn't spending a fortune
on getting my TR3 back on the track I would buy it in a minute!!  Good luck,
someone will be getting a great car at a great price!

Vroom, vroom,

Jeff Snook


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Apr 11 17:33:05 2013
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:33:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51674831.6020100@blacksburg.net>

On 4/10/2013 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
> i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
> TR with near stock ride height.
> .
> As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
> seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre
>
> can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
> want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
> regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
> work when viewed from above.
>
> every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
> not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
> appropriate " for the TR
>
> thanks
> Terry
> Australia
> _______________________________________________
>    
Terry, if you have comparative measurements between the TR4 fenders 
("wings") and the TR6, this info should help.  I have 16x7 VTO wheels 
with +12mm offset, 205/60/16 tires on my TR4 and I can tell you that my 
tires projected outside the fender lip by 1 1/4".  At the time of those 
measurements I had 0 camber.  I've since gone to negative camber and 
will put 195s on the car but haven't gotten there yet so can't report 
results.  BTW, +12mm offset is *wrong* for the TRs.  Well, unless you 
don't want to go to full lock.  I'd guess that 0 offset would probably work.

Are the Superlite folks still in business?  They're from your neck of 
the woods, and I should have kept my 15x6 Superlites instead of going 
this route.  Oh well, live and .... live.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Apr 11 17:52:00 2013
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:52:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nORpQtx2M+9abE+JV96sMiZQQkU7KDkN_NmOqpfoinxYOw@mail.gmail.com>

Terry,

I use 205/60/15's on stock wheels on my car with no issues whatsoever. I
seem to recall having had some 215/55's at one point as well with no
issues.

Bob


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track <
enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote:

> i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
> TR with near stock ride height.
> .
> As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
> seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre
>
> can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
> want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
> regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
> work when viewed from above.
>
> every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
> not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
> appropriate " for the TR
>
> thanks
> Terry
> Australia
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Apr 11 18:52:36 2013
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:52:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <51674831.6020100@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <1804272731.661862.1365727956409.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Jim,

The Superlites are no longer available in the US. Pack Racing used to sell
them but the factory

dropped the US market or so I'm told. I couldn't get the factory to return any
email either.

I have six of them now and tried to buy four more for rains & spares.

I have a set of matching VTO's on the way now. I can't reall y speak to your
clearance issues. I use 6x15's

with hoosier R6's & Toyo RA-1's in the 50 series. I have lowered springs and I
can tell you I

couldn't go any larger than 6" wide without either getting into the shock
tower or the fender lip.

Brad Burry at RaceKraft I think just found out his 15x7's on his TR6 won't
work without flairing the fe nders.

He's got it on the chassis jig now.

Maybe rolling the fender lip will do it for you but you'll be in danger
proximity to the shock tower in the front B without spacers

and then there's that fender again.

jim g


----- Original Message -----


From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:33:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6

On 4/10/2013 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
> i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
> TR with near stock ride height.
> .
> As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
> seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre
>
> can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
> want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
> regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
> work when viewed from above.
>
> every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
> not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
> appropriate " for the TR
>
> thanks
> Terry
> Australia
> _______________________________________________
> B  B 
Terry, if you have comparative measurements between the TR4 fenders
("wings") and the TR6, this info should help. B I have 16x7 VTO wheels
with +12mm offset, 205/60/16 tires on my TR4 and I can tell you that my
tires projected outside the fender lip by 1 1/4". B At the time of those
measurements I had 0 camber. B I've since gone to negative camber and
will put 195s on the car but haven't gotten there yet so can't report
results. B BTW, +12mm offset is *wrong* for the TRs. B Well, unless you
don't want to go to full lock. B I'd guess that 0 offset would probably work.

Are the Superlite folks still in business? B They're from your neck of
the woods, and I should have kept my 15x6 Superlites instead of going
this route. B Oh well, live and .... live.

jim

--
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Apr 11 14:23:59 2013
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:23:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] The Gathering in Dobson, NC - (warning - commercial content)
Message-ID: <51671BDF.5060807@bright.net>

I will be attending this event at Dobson, NC as a vendor. If anybody 
needs me to bring specific parts, please let me know.  Free shipping is 
good, especially if you need large or heavy parts.  Order early - order 
often. See you there. Thanks for your time. Ted






















-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 15:37:11 2013
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Garages
Message-ID: <01d101ce36fc$ba883430$2f989c90$@com>

Hello Jason,

I would like to use one of the garage spaces for my TR3.  I will have my
F350 Crew Cab pickup and a 24' enclosed trailer.  About 50' overall length.
Thanks!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319 (Mobile)


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri Apr 12 14:42:48 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:42:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 24 foot aluminum trailer for sale 40% off
Message-ID: <000001ce37be$4c600c40$e52024c0$@com>

My friend has a body shop and auction business where he auctions vehicles
that have been written off by insurance companies.  He has a 24 foot Legend
Deluxe V-Nose aluminum trailer, Model No. 721DVNTA35 that has been written
off because it was "jack knifed" while being moved and cracked the aluminum
tongue bracket.  The tongue was re-TIG welded, the same as the rest of the
aluminum frame but the owner did not want to accept it.  The weld is about 4
inches long.  It has never been used or had a car in it.  It was made to
haul a Legend race car.  The weight of the trailer is 2160 lbs. and the
payload is 4840 lbs. for a GVWR of 7000 lbs.  The full specifications can be
seen at www.legendmfginc.com.   To say that it is fully optioned would be an
understatement.  The cost of the trailer was about $9000 and the cost of the
options was about $10,000.  Total cost with tax was over $20,000.  It has
over 16 feet of flush mount E-track for tie down in the floor, a 16 foot
attached checkerboard awning and it is 6 inches taller than standard among
other options.  As noted above, the insurance company is heavily discounting
the trailer.

 

If interested e-mail contact at jeepsbodyshop.com for more information and a
complete list of the options.   Or call 920-921-1137 and ask for Jeep.  I've
seen it and it is very nice, to say the least.  It is located in the Fond du
Lac, Wisconsin area which is about 35 miles due west from Elkhart Lake.

 

No financial interest at all, just posting it for a friend.

 

Tim


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Fri Apr 12 14:54:19 2013
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:54:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
Message-ID: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>

Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?

thxx,
Bob


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 12 15:21:33 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:21:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>

Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's
But not 8's
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>
> thxx,
> Bob
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From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Fri Apr 12 15:51:41 2013
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:51:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
	<E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <E8D7DC6C6C98426F8B9762F9E3D802EF@TER2>

42 dcoe 8 carbs were fitted to Maserati 3500 cars.
                                                                             
                Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: "Bob Davis" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question


> Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's
> But not 8's
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>>
>> thxx,
>> Bob
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Apr 12 17:07:51 2013
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:07:51 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re; wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b1gWJrOE=gHVDrDOTQPE0ovziJ5TSV0BQLkoxRpdifDMg@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for all the replies guys. my car is a TR5 (same as 250) and when i
wrote the message I said TR5 or TR6, forgetting about the different width
of TR6 wings/fenders (whatever you call them)

So, back to basics,,,, who can comment on TR4 or 250 wheel tyre sizes

Terry


From kaskastner at gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 17:56:06 2013
From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:56:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Steering levers
Message-ID: <CAGiQU1Db2LrGOZe2YfjZq5aV8VOq_dEEd9T2XqTsWXqYis=W8A@mail.gmail.com>

Manufacturers make them of a mild steel that can be bent but not break.  If
it bends you can still steer, if it breaks you are off the road in most
cases. It is a saftey issue. Racers have been doing it for years.  Heat red
hot, and bend, easy to do. Mark the point to bend with chalk or a welders
pencil so you keep the heat away from the upright and on the spot you want
to bend.

*Never be beaten by equipment.*


From robertten1 at aol.com  Fri Apr 12 21:58:51 2013
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:58:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
	<E799EB08-5708-4934-BE79-64B23E550861@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <8D0061257B36AE0-1EC4-46023@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com>

I have a 13 on my Spit

Bob T



-----Original Message-----
From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Apr 12, 2013 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question


Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's
ut not 8's
ent from my iPhone
On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?

 thxx,
 Bob
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Apr 12 22:43:26 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:43:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <5168E26E.5010008@bradakis.com>

Thanks for the birthday greetings!  This list is great!

mjb.


From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Apr 13 00:04:39 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:04:39 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39B298E9-E0C7-449C-8FBF-A6DD864296D6@bnj.com>

45DCOE9's are common as bellybuttons. 45 is the throat size (45 MM) DC means
dopio corpo or dual throat, O means horizontal (orizzontale) E means die cast,
and 9 is the variation number of the DCOE format. So that means if there is a
9 there's an 8, as well as 1 through 7, though how many of those survive is
hard to say. Once they got to DCOE9 the variation number never changed as far
as I know, though according to my weber book and Wikipedia there are at least
ten variations of the DCOE9 carb.

So yeah, there are eights, but they're just an earlier variant. My Maserati
Mistral has 45DCOE9's fitted in place of the troublesome Lucas fuel injection.
A common mod for Mistrals which made them slightly MORE reliable than a
rabbit's romance instead of slightly LESS.

As an aside, one really confusing thing about Webers is the emulsion tube
numbers. The reason no one is successful in getting emulsion tubes just right
is that they are not numbered according to flow rate (as  main, air
correction, and idle jets are) but by their chronological order of
manufacture. The number has NO meaning other than that.


On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>
> thxx,
> Bob
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Apr 13 00:21:43 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:21:43 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <39B298E9-E0C7-449C-8FBF-A6DD864296D6@bnj.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
	<39B298E9-E0C7-449C-8FBF-A6DD864296D6@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <FCA6B9F7-E409-481C-9167-BFC2B2FB26A9@bnj.com>

One last thing, the modern variation numbers for Weber DCOE carbs start with
15, so if you buy a new 40 mm carb from Weber it's a 40DCOE152 or 153 which
looks to be identical in almost every way except float design to a DCOE9. In
other words, no one at Weber is doing development work on carbs--surprise,
surprise.
On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:

> 45DCOE9's are common as bellybuttons. 45 is the throat size (45 MM) DC
means
> dopio corpo or dual throat, O means horizontal (orizzontale) E means die
cast,
> and 9 is the variation number of the DCOE format. So that means if there is
a
> 9 there's an 8, as well as 1 through 7, though how many of those survive is
> hard to say. Once they got to DCOE9 the variation number never changed as
far
> as I know, though according to my weber book and Wikipedia there are at
least
> ten variations of the DCOE9 carb.
>
> So yeah, there are eights, but they're just an earlier variant. My Maserati
> Mistral has 45DCOE9's fitted in place of the troublesome Lucas fuel
injection.
> A common mod for Mistrals which made them slightly MORE reliable than a
> rabbit's romance instead of slightly LESS.
>
> As an aside, one really confusing thing about Webers is the emulsion tube
> numbers. The reason no one is successful in getting emulsion tubes just
right
> is that they are not numbered according to flow rate (as  main, air
> correction, and idle jets are) but by their chronological order of
> manufacture. The number has NO meaning other than that.
>
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Bob Davis <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>>
>> thxx,
>> Bob
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From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Sat Apr 13 09:40:57 2013
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:40:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
Message-ID: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?

1147cc
Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.

Also if anyone
knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. 
I'm guessing they are
the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for 
sure.

Thanks,
Tim


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Apr 13 14:27:49 2013
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:27:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] re; wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b1gWJrOE=gHVDrDOTQPE0ovziJ5TSV0BQLkoxRpdifDMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b1gWJrOE=gHVDrDOTQPE0ovziJ5TSV0BQLkoxRpdifDMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5169BFC5.9070400@blacksburg.net>

On 4/12/2013 7:07 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
> thanks for all the replies guys. my car is a TR5 (same as 250) and when i
> wrote the message I said TR5 or TR6, forgetting about the different width
> of TR6 wings/fenders (whatever you call them)
>
> So, back to basics,,,, who can comment on TR4 or 250 wheel tyre sizes
>
> Terry
> _______________________________________________
>    
Terry, I just now dropped a plumb line from the outer lip of the fender, 
then measured from the hub surface: it measures 3 1/2 inches.  With that 
dimension you can calculate, for a given wheel offset and tire (tyre) 
width/aspect ratio, where the sidewall will be.

Now, if only I'd done this a month ago, I wouldn't be in my current 
predicament.  :-(

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 13 14:36:31 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:36:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000601ce3886$964a54f0$c2defed0$@com>

Hi,

I can't tell you anything about your number but the numbers on the old carbs
did tell about the jetting.
Sometimes the progression holes are slightly different.

Normally you can make all types of DCOE carbs work on your car.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von Bob Davis
Gesendet: Freitag, 12. April 2013 22:54
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Weber carb question

Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?

thxx,
Bob
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sun Apr 14 08:51:20 2013
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:51:20 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question
In-Reply-To: <000601ce3886$964a54f0$c2defed0$@com>
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As car as I recall the DCOE08 was designated and jetted etc as an original
fitment on the mk1 lotus cortina, so I suspect most of the early 1600 twin cam
engines.

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Apr 2013, at 21:36, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can't tell you anything about your number but the numbers on the old
carbs
> did tell about the jetting.
> Sometimes the progression holes are slightly different.
>
> Normally you can make all types of DCOE carbs work on your car.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Bob Davis
> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. April 2013 22:54
> An: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Weber carb question
>
> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb?
>
> thxx,
> Bob
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Sun Apr 14 20:46:37 2013
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:46:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PVGP
Message-ID: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>

I haven't seen any chatter on the web about this.
There will be an MG - TR race at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix this year.
Called the British Heritage Race it will be sponsored by our friends at The
Roadster Factory.
The dates are July 19-21.
Anybody interested in learning about the pleasures and perils of racing thru
the streets of Schenley Park should talk to Jeff Snook.  Jeff, no doubt, has
more experience at the PVGP than any other FOT member.
see www.pittsburghvintagegrandprix.com.
Bruce


From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Apr 15 07:48:45 2013
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:48:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>

Tim:

I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process I
have had no issues with head gaskets.

The ARP numbers for the studs are:
	
Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
Nut - AJN 12-1
Washer - AJW 750N

They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 kit.

Robert MacKenzie



-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?

1147cc
Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.

Also if anyone
knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. 
I'm guessing they are
the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.

Thanks,
Tim
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Apr 15 08:43:29 2013
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:43:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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	<003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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I always re-torque once the engine comes up to operating temperature and is
still hot.  I got that tip from a scrap of paper that fell out of a NOS head
gasket many years ago.  It has served me well.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 6:49 AM
To: 'Tim Pettenati'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

Tim:

I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process I
have had no issues with head gaskets.

The ARP numbers for the studs are:
	
Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
Nut - AJN 12-1
Washer - AJW 750N

They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 kit.

Robert MacKenzie


From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Apr 15 09:07:20 2013
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:07:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
In-Reply-To: <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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	<003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero>
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Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch when
the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
important.

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero> wrote:

> Tim:
>
> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
> gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
> overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process I
> have had no issues with head gaskets.
>
> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>
> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
> Nut - AJN 12-1
> Washer - AJW 750N
>
> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
kit.
>
> Robert MacKenzie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>
> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
>
> 1147cc
> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
>
> Also if anyone
> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs.
> I'm guessing they are
> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Apr 15 09:18:01 2013
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:18:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
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I don't recommend you tonguing or torquing them hot ;).  Stupid auto correct!

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Chuck Gee <chasgee at aol.com> wrote:

> Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
> ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch
when
> the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
> important.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero>
wrote:
>
>> Tim:
>>
>> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen
>> gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let the head sit
>> overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since following this process
I
>> have had no issues with head gaskets.
>>
>> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>>
>> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
>> Nut - AJN 12-1
>> Washer - AJW 750N
>>
>> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
> kit.
>>
>> Robert MacKenzie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
>> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>>
>> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
>>
>> 1147cc
>> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
>>
>> Also if anyone
>> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs.
>> I'm guessing they are
>> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Apr 15 09:32:01 2013
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:32:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
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I haven't had any problems with this method, while I have seen a lot of
blown head gaskets on engines that have not had it done.  Admittedly, it is
more of an issue if you are not using ARP head bolts.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Gee
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 8:18 AM
To: Robert MacKenzie
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

I don't recommend you tonguing or torquing them hot ;).  Stupid auto
correct!

Chuck


From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Apr 15 11:00:17 2013
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:00:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
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Just to clarify; I do re-torque again after the engine is run and cooled.
If I recall correctly I was given the 60 lbs figure from ARP.

Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:07 AM
To: Robert MacKenzie
Cc: Tim Pettenati; <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque

Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch when
the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
important.

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero> wrote:

> Tim:
> 
> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a 
> Payen gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let 
> the head sit overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since 
> following this process I have had no issues with head gaskets.
> 
> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>    
> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
> Nut - AJN 12-1
> Washer - AJW 750N
> 
> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
kit.
> 
> Robert MacKenzie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
> 
> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
> 
> 1147cc
> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
> 
> Also if anyone
> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. 
> I'm guessing they are
> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tim
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Apr 15 11:07:10 2013
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:07:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
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Yes, 60 is the number if using regular oil.

Chuck

On Apr 15, 2013, at 11:00 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero> wrote:

> Just to clarify; I do re-torque again after the engine is run and cooled.
> If I recall correctly I was given the 60 lbs figure from ARP.
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:07 AM
> To: Robert MacKenzie
> Cc: Tim Pettenati; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>
> Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40
> ft-lbs.  Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch
when
> the motor cools down.  This is not a good thing.  Proper stretch is what is
> important.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" <list at mackenzie.aero>
wrote:
>
>> Tim:
>>
>> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a
>> Payen gasket.  I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60.  I let
>> the head sit overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again.  Since
>> following this process I have had no issues with head gaskets.
>>
>> The ARP numbers for the studs are:
>>
>> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB
>> Nut - AJN 12-1
>> Washer - AJW 750N
>>
>> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296
> kit.
>>
>> Robert MacKenzie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Tim Pettenati
>> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque
>>
>> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts?
>>
>> 1147cc
>> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket.
>>
>> Also if anyone
>> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs.
>> I'm guessing they are
>> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Apr 16 08:04:57 2013
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:04:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1958 Triumph TR3 head light rim...
Message-ID: <16255f.2f47e25e.3e9eb489@aol.com>

Amici...

Bob Wismer's son-in-law, Doug Allison, is the new owner of our Tornado 
Thunder Bolt, and since after 111 racing events, it has been retired from 
racing, he is in the process of a complete restoration and conversion into a fancy 
street roadster.  This includes getting all of the lights working again.  
He is in need of one (-1-) 1958 TR3 head light rim.  I am unfamiliar with 
this rim, but Doug describes it as being 'split', with a screw to hold it 
together when in place.  He has one, but needs another.  Does anyone have one 
they would be willing to part with?  

Bill Dentinger


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 16 08:20:52 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:20:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already,
 checked out  the...
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FOT:

If you have any history or interest in GREENWOOD, a racetrack from the 60s
near Des Moines, IA, see the links below.

At least two of our FOT are taking a leadership role in organization and a few
of us have expressed an interest in attending.

Steve Myer  (SKUNK RIVER RESTORATIONS)    and   Shawn Frank

There's amazing history here in it's short lived existence.
greenwoodrevival.com  is a website location and it appears on FACEBOOK as
well.  see below.

Yes! The track still exists...it was far enough out of town to avoid the
dreaded suburban sprawl.

Perhaps Shawn Frank can jump in and provide more detail.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com



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Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 8:55 am
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Eric Wieland
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 https://www.facebook.com/GreenwoodRevival




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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 16 11:24:12 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] GROUP 44  KCUP 2013
Message-ID: <8D008DE5881ACEF-76C-6660E@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

Does anyone know of any G-44 cars or cars that had a relationship to Group
44?

I am aware of a couple that may be coming, but I'd like to pin it down.

I know that Bill Warner is aware of our event, but have had no direct contact
with him.

Thanks for your help....

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From REK46 at aol.com  Tue Apr 16 12:40:12 2013
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:40:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pinion sels/Spitfire 1296 and 1500
Message-ID: <16a1d1.138c0b11.3e9ef50c@aol.com>

Does anyone have Spitfire front pinion seal numbers for the small and large 
 diffs for seals made by aftremarket people like National or  
Cr,etc..?....rick(can't find my notes)


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Apr 16 16:54:09 2013
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:54:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b0fHuT8AxsCLV4t33BosMyxY+iFC9Fsr=B1BkXc8v6kcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001ce3af5$4efec100$ecfc4300$@com>

I had to look in my notebooks to find some of the info, hence the delay.  On
my street TR5 I originally had European 185/HR15, fronts were Michelin XVS
and rears were Continental TS792.  I replaced them for 2 reasons, I didn't
know how old they were but thought probably 10 years and secondly, the spare
didn't fit in the trunk well!  Plus they just didn't look right on the car,
looked way too big due to their design (extra wide sidewall to provide curb
protection) and the size.  I replaced them with the Vredestein 175/70 HR 15,
which fit in the tire well in the trunk and they look right on the car.  The
wheels are Dunlop wires made in India under license, 5-1/2 K X 15 X 457C.  I
have no idea what the 457C is and I don't know what the offset is.  I could
pull the spare out and try and measure it but am not sure how to go about it
with the  splined hub.  Don't know if this is of any use to you, but that's
what delete keys are for:)

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:55 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6

i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven
TR with near stock ride height.
.
As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment
seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre

can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly
want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our
regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body
work when viewed from above.

every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer
not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks
appropriate " for the TR

thanks
Terry
Australia
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From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 17 05:54:39 2013
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 04:54:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] postings
Message-ID: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

     some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!!


     John Wagner
   
 Just the wrench
     j.wags63 at yahoo.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr 17 10:09:23 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:09:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Message-ID: <8D0099D0F20EEEB-232C-2099@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>

FOT

Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.

Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
Cup.

He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought
he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
kknight at klaenv.com

Please add KEN to the list, Mark.

Thanks!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 11:41:11 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:41:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] postings
In-Reply-To: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <516EDEB7.1070607@bradakis.com>

John Wagner wrote:
>       some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!!
>

I'll look into it.

mjb.


From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Apr 17 11:45:50 2013
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:45:50 +0000
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Message-ID: <249597626-1366220751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-859079377-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry>

Welcome Ken....  The new Mr. Fast!!
M
------Original Message------
From: Joe Alexander
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: FOT
Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM

FOT

Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.

Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
Cup.

He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought
he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
kknight at klaenv.com

Please add KEN to the list, Mark.

Thanks!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From mmoore at wave1.net  Wed Apr 17 11:55:34 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:55:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
Message-ID: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit

 

Thanks

Mike

 

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

 

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 12:11:04 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:11:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] postings
In-Reply-To: <516EDEB7.1070607@bradakis.com>
References: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<516EDEB7.1070607@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <516EE5B8.6000804@bradakis.com>

> John Wagner wrote:
>>       some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!!
>>
>

Yahoo is clueless:

Apr 17 12:00:42 autox postfix/qmgr[1917]: 561C142EF0: 
to=<xxxx at yahoo.com>, relay=none, delay=267409, delays=267409/0.16/0/0, 
dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: host 
mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[74.6.136.244] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 
[TS01] Messages from 166.70.156.34 temporarily deferred due to user 
complaints - 4.16.55.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html)


You should get this message, I'm trying a temporary workaround.

mjb.


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Apr 17 12:29:23 2013
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:29:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4.1366221603.10205.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.4.1366221603.10205.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF040921AD.8EF51C2F-ON85257B50.006540E2-85257B50.006595F6@us.ibm.com>

Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting
price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi
d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true

Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island


mike h

G. Michael Harmuth


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 13:13:37 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:13:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stupid Yahoo
Message-ID: <516EF461.6040307@bradakis.com>

Okay, I think all those folks with a yahoo.com or btinternet address have
been set up so they will get FOT mail.  I'll keep a close eye on things and
make further adjustments as necessary.

mjb.


From gp89 at charter.net  Wed Apr 17 14:59:45 2013
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:59:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
Message-ID: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>

Hmmm, wife says nooooo

Jeff Senty


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote:

> Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, 
> starting
> price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.
>
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi
> d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true
>
> Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island
>
>
> mike h
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From riverside at southslope.net  Wed Apr 17 15:46:43 2013
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:46:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already,
 checked out  the...
In-Reply-To: <8D008C4BBCB20C8-76C-64E5A@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
References: <511379555565457-506625886040824@groups.facebook.com><f41471e5c519c186cddbbb7ee7d44863@async.facebook.com>
	<8D008C4BBCB20C8-76C-64E5A@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8318C5BAC8214B86A3F985C477A81584@rileyPC>

I attended my first ever road race there in 1964 at age 16.  That USRRC
race with Cobras and Chapparals was electrifying to me and helped me
acquire the determination to become a road racer.   My next race there,
Greenwood's final race, introduced me to Triumph race cars.

One of my friends who was with me back in '64 is helping me and a chap
in England digitize the track so it can be driven on Grand Prix legends.
This work included a couple slow laps and the track was very special
in the areas of elevation change and corner variety. It would be a
great restoration project!

Wish us luck.   If the results are worth the effort, we may try to do
MAR at Wentzville and Meadowdale.

art de armond

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe Alexander
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:20 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out 
the...

FOT:

If you have any history or interest in GREENWOOD, a racetrack from the 60s
near Des Moines, IA, see the links below.

At least two of our FOT are taking a leadership role in organization and a 
few
of us have expressed an interest in attending.

Steve Myer  (SKUNK RIVER RESTORATIONS)    and   Shawn Frank

There's amazing history here in it's short lived existence.
greenwoodrevival.com  is a website location and it appears on FACEBOOK as
well.  see below.

Yes! The track still exists...it was far enough out of town to avoid the
dreaded suburban sprawl.

Perhaps Shawn Frank can jump in and provide more detail.

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Wieland <notification+oyscz2f6 at facebookmail.com>
To: Greenwood Roadway <greenwoodroadway at groups.facebook.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 8:55 am
Subject: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out the...








Eric Wieland posted in Greenwood Roadway





Eric Wieland
8:55am Apr 16


If you have not already, checked out the Greenwood Revival Page for more
information on the 50th anniversary event on June 8th.

https://www.facebook.com/GreenwoodRevival




Greenwood Revival
Sports Venue










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From gaf3 at charter.net  Wed Apr 17 16:35:30 2013
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:35:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
In-Reply-To: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>
References: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>
Message-ID: <516F23B2.8020105@charter.net>

Nicely done
I have the same flares on my race car.
Any organizations accept those for vintage or do I have to convert back 
to steel?
Can I do Steel Flares?
Glenn

On 4/17/2013 4:59 PM, Jeff Senty wrote:
> Hmmm, wife says nooooo
>
> Jeff Senty
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote:
>
>> Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting
>> price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi 
>>
>> d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true
>>
>> Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island
>>
>>
>> mike h
>>
>> G. Michael Harmuth
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>>
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 17 17:17:47 2013
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:17:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
Message-ID: <13826628.1366240667496.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

He's super quick and his immaculate TR4 doesn't leak.

~Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: gasket.works at gte.net
>Sent: Apr 17, 2013 10:45 AM
>To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>Subject: Re: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>
>Welcome Ken....  The new Mr. Fast!!
>M
>------Original Message------
>From: Joe Alexander
>Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>To: FOT
>Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM
>
>FOT
>
>Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.
>
>Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
>Cup.
>
>He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought
>he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
>kknight at klaenv.com
>
>Please add KEN to the list, Mark.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Joe Alexander
>A. R. E.
>645 1st Street
>Jesup, Iowa 50648
>319.464.4711  (cell)
>n197tr4 at cs.com
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Apr 17 19:23:04 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:23:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
In-Reply-To: <13826628.1366240667496.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <13826628.1366240667496.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <971F0B32-F6DF-4E3F-A76F-C543ADC99F72@gdhs.com>

No comment on fast, but my 3 doesn't leak either.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:17 PM, steve <colordog.1 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> He's super quick and his immaculate TR4 doesn't leak.
>
> ~Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gasket.works at gte.net
>> Sent: Apr 17, 2013 10:45 AM
>> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>>
>> Welcome Ken....  The new Mr. Fast!!
>> M
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Joe Alexander
>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
>> To: FOT
>> Cc: kknight at klaenv.com
>> Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT
>> Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM
>>
>> FOT
>>
>> Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT.
>>
>> Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner
>> Cup.
>>
>> He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I
thought
>> he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere.
>> kknight at klaenv.com
>>
>> Please add KEN to the list, Mark.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>> A. R. E.
>> 645 1st Street
>> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>> 319.464.4711  (cell)
>> n197tr4 at cs.com
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 17 20:35:04 2013
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:35:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails for
 several days.
Message-ID: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

You guys didn't kick me off did you?  
 
Mike Mehl #46 TR4


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 20:38:37 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails
 for several days.
In-Reply-To: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <516F5CAD.6070503@bradakis.com>

Mike Mehl wrote:
> You guys didn't kick me off did you?
>   
>

Yahoo did.  Don't blame me.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 17 20:50:05 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails
 for several days.
In-Reply-To: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <516F5F5D.3040206@bradakis.com>

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2013-04/msg00135.html

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2013-04/msg00137.html


mjb.


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 06:09:13 2013
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:09:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay
In-Reply-To: <516F23B2.8020105@charter.net>
References: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net>
	<516F23B2.8020105@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9Np8LXJi_0MCBaCft3W0NjpWyOFrVWz7yr0UFO3fqBK7g@mail.gmail.com>

nice looking car, too bad it is across the water...it might sell
quicker....looks like someone spent some time on it...it's in "Bill B. "
backyard over there !


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:

> Nicely done
> I have the same flares on my race car.
> Any organizations accept those for vintage or do I have to convert back to
> steel?
> Can I do Steel Flares?
> Glenn
>
>
> On 4/17/2013 4:59 PM, Jeff Senty wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, wife says nooooo
>>
>> Jeff Senty
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote:
>>
>>  Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting
>>> price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/**ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-**
>>> Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi>
>>> d=p3984.m1423.l2649&**ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&**forcev4exp=true
>>>
>>> Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island
>>>
>>>
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Apr 18 07:20:34 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:20:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>

The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly 
less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only 
3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank, 
Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights, 
and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the 
case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that 
the car still pulled well in OD.

That's an expensive 3 seconds...

I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy 
with marketing the car.

BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I 
will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


> Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new 
> race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.
>
> Details at www.tr4racer.com 


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 18 07:40:09 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:40:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>

Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!! 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:21 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car

The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly
less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only
3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank,
Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights,
and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the
case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that
the car still pulled well in OD.

That's an expensive 3 seconds...

I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy
with marketing the car.

BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I
will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


> Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new 
> race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.
>
> Details at www.tr4racer.com 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Apr 18 08:29:26 2013
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:29:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <mailman.235.1638252579.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took 
just enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.

Tony Drews

At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
>
>
>John H. Hasty
>Attorney At Law
>Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>719 East Boulevard
>Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>Tele: (704) 372-5600
>Fax: (704) 372-4601
>E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com
>www.gdhs.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:21 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly
>less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only
>3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank,
>Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights,
>and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the
>case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that
>the car still pulled well in OD.
>
>That's an expensive 3 seconds...
>
>I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy
>with marketing the car.
>
>BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I
>will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto!
>
>Henry
>yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
>Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
> > Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new
> > race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market.
> >
> > Details at www.tr4racer.com


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Apr 18 08:42:32 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:42:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
Message-ID: <B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>

No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have 
thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!

Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is stopping 
him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a 
repeat at Summit Point next month!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just 
> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 12:11:23 2013
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:11:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>

Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying to
figure out how to get to 170hp :)

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have
> thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>
> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is stopping
> him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a
> repeat at Summit Point next month!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just
>> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Apr 18 12:31:20 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:31:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
	<B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>

Moldex, Carillo's, Gillaners #24 cam, custom pop up pistons, Abacus head and 
some dyno time got me 145 at the rear wheels. I extrapolated the 170...

 ;-)

Like I said, that was a lot of cash for 3 seconds!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying 
to figure out how to get to 170hp :) 


From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 13:31:51 2013
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:31:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
	<B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <005a01ce3c6b$60c00fd0$22402f70$@rr.com>

Well, what's worse is the rumor Henry is getting a Citroen 2CV prepped as
his next racer. Well we all know how accurate rumors are. Probably started
by a jealous MG jockey!  ;-)
russ

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Kramer
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:11 PM
To: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car

Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying
to figure out how to get to 170hp :)

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could 
> have thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>
> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is 
> stopping him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, 
> hoping for a repeat at Summit Point next month!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took 
>> just enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 13:49:37 2013
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:49:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <005a01ce3c6b$60c00fd0$22402f70$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20130418194937.47XR6.55507.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>

---- Spitfire Racing <Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: 
> Well, what's worse is the rumor Henry is getting a Citroen 2CV prepped as
> his next racer. 

170hp in a 2CV.  As Jeff Foxworthy said, "That's a bad mental image, right there."

Randall


From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Apr 18 15:50:03 2013
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:50:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local><F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local><02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local><20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com><B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local><B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
	<DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local><F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local><02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local><20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com><B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local><B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
	<DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds28EF22D7B2ADC6784A5E7C3CF0@phx.gbl>

The last increments of performance are always the most costly.

It was ever thus.

Terry Stetler


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 16:01:19 2013
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
In-Reply-To: <B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local>
	<F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local>
	<02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local>
	<20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com>
	<B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local>
	<B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5A77FBC2-6821-4E9D-820F-2F59BD3C1F5D@austin.rr.com>

......when we are not wondering just what yellow demon Henry is concocting in
his man cave.

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying
to
> figure out how to get to 170hp :)
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:
>
>> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have
>> thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>>
>> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is
stopping
>> him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a
>> repeat at Summit Point next month!
>>
>> Henry
>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>>
>>
>>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just
>>> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>>
>>> Tony Drews
>>>
>>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Fri Apr 19 08:23:27 2013
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:23:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 Weber DCOE manifold
Message-ID: <20130419142328.S53BR.130748.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

Searching for a Weber 45 dcoe manifold for the big 4 cyl TR to buy. Just the manifold. Any leads are much appreciated.

Thxx,
Bbob


From list at mackenzie.aero  Fri Apr 19 08:40:46 2013
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches?
Message-ID: <000901ce3d0b$e2396570$a6ac3050$@aero>

Does anybody have any experience with Specifically the 7.25 inch V-drive.
This will be for an 1147 Spitfire.

Robert MacKenzie
Austin Texas


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 19 11:56:16 2013
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:56:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails
 for several days.
Message-ID: <fr2ghj5cl7v7eftq6tis7kku.1366394176356@email.android.com>

All of a sudden, I am receiving a number of emails from the last 4-5 days. Thought I'd been dropped the list as well. Burped up a whole bunch.

Cheers,

Doug
--
Doug Mitchell
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>Mike Mehl wrote:
>> You guys didn't kick me off did you?
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>>
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr 19 06:42:39 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:42:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local><F277B6EE1289454EBB2D8C4E5C41C22B@TRIUMPH.local><02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local><20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com><B3227B51951148A5B0746A6A311A6C34@TRIUMPH.local><B8C66B83-B9CD-4857-90BA-93CA49C38B46@austin.rr.com>
	<DEFF14B673884A00862F795A75AB1561@TRIUMPH.local>
	<BAY164-ds28EF22D7B2ADC6784A5E7C3CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B928CB507F664011A366FC0D98D7E072@TRIUMPH.local>

Truer words were never spoken... Does make me wonder how I got here,
though...

Wait, oh, yeah... I remember now!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Terry Stetler
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car


  The last increments of performance are always the most costly.

  It was ever thus.

  Terry Stetler


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 19 16:06:56 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:06:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] WG:  My new tow car....
Message-ID: <000b01ce3d4a$3730c3a0$a5924ae0$@com>

Well..some tuning did make it better:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRODEzC5GmY
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRODEzC5GmY&feature=youtu.be>
&feature=youtu.be



Cheers

Chris (Maybe I should develop GM cars?)


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Fri Apr 19 17:17:31 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:17:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
In-Reply-To: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <1366413451.74004.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

In checking tire temps in order to determine best pressure, it looks like the
middle temp can be a bit deceiving.  After tires were up to temp, I lowered
the 
pressure 4 degrees and the center to the outsides changed very little. 
This is 
autocrossing.  Would it be because the car (TR6) is light?  Jim


From bluebit at comcast.net  Fri Apr 19 18:25:34 2013
From: bluebit at comcast.net (Jim%20Roelofs)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:25:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>
Message-ID: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?


Jim Roelofs
303-862-7270 (h)
720-321-1165 (w)
bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit

B 

Thanks

Mike

B 

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

B 

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Apr 19 18:40:49 2013
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:40:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>,
	<1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7681boov9enxwdqr4bavonjy.1366418438800@email.android.com>

That was the same price listed here in Appleton, but there was a $2 per quart
credit at the register.

Scott B.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
sbarr at mccarty-law.com<mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com>


Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:

That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?


Jim Roelofs
303-862-7270 (h)
720-321-1165 (w)
bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit

B

Thanks

Mike

B

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

B

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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 19:33:36 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com>

Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only $3
per quart.  Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for
along time.  The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see what
the current net price was, but there was no discount.

Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>
> B
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 19 20:04:39 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 22:04:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>

Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you want
the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:

> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>
>
> Jim Roelofs
> 303-862-7270 (h)
> 720-321-1165 (w)
> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>
> B
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> B
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> B
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Fri Apr 19 20:49:51 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 22:49:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530>

Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their "Non-street 
legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives.
I  bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt.
In the 70's  Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil. 
Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline.
With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool. 
ZDDPlus makes it really slippery.
NFI.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you 
> want
> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>
>>
>> Jim Roelofs
>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>
>> B
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> B
>>
>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>
>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>
>> Erie, PA 16508
>>
>> B
>>
>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>
>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 19 21:58:53 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 23:58:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530>
Message-ID: <3BBAB028-8158-4E76-85F3-C823B5165E13@gdhs.com>

Ah..... Obviously a democrat, give them someone else's stuff and you have
their vote forever..... Oops, sorry, I couldn't help it........ I
apologize.... The devil made me do it!

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:49 PM, "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
wrote:

> Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their "Non-street
legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives.
> I  bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt.
> In the 70's  Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil.
Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline.
> With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool.
ZDDPlus makes it really slippery.
> NFI.
> Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>
> Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
>
>> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you
want
>> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Roelofs
>>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>>
>>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>>
>>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>>
>>> Erie, PA 16508
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>>
>>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Sat Apr 20 04:23:03 2013
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:23:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>

Why would someone risk their engine for the sake of a few dollars cheaper
oil? Let's put this in perspective. The cost of a reasonable running
"vintage" engine these days runs between $5k and $10k, some even more. Maybe
you can save $12 on each oil change but that is nothing compared to the
expense of a refresh or rebuild of an engine. I am not a petro-chemical
engineer but have read reports by some who are. The impressions I got is
that by far the safest and easiest way to insure proper amounts of
lubrication additives was to go with an oil like Brad Penn.
Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinions but if the saving of a
few dollars is a primary parameter in your choice of oil, do look at the big
picture. Vintage racing is expensive these days and will continue to be.
Auger into your considerations also the cost of entry and transportation
fees for a weekend where you become a spectator due to an engine failure.
These are significant sums for many of us. To coin a clichi; "Choose
wisely!"

I even use B.P. in the street cars in my collection with flat tappet
engines.

Russ Moore
Spitfire #49


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Hasty
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:05 PM
To: Jim%20Roelofs
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you want
the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:

> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>
>
> Jim Roelofs
> 303-862-7270 (h)
> 720-321-1165 (w)
> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>
> B
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> B
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> B
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Apr 20 05:33:14 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:33:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hawaii...And Triumph Race Car.
In-Reply-To: <8D00B974909DF27-16C0-1452F@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>
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FOT

Robert asked me to post this.....(Robert is the guy that had TR2   TS1 LO
with us at Watkins Glen. He has since sold TS1 LO and appears to selling off
the rest of his car collection)  Oddly, I was minutes away from the Spitfire,
but never saw it.

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 Aloha, Joe!



Would you mind, as a favor, simply posting on FoT for the members to take a
look at eBay

Item number:

200915790424


Thank you, Joe. The car has a bid at $4000 and I will likely keep it on eBay
and sell on Sunday, but the trailer, spare Panasports and new sticky tires,
spare parts, and manuals/provenance make the car a real bargain at $4000.

Thanks so much, and come back and see us! Robert P. Smith


From mmoore at wave1.net  Sat Apr 20 05:35:20 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:35:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>
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Yes I got it for 3.99 qt



Thanks

Mike



Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508



Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383



From: Jim%20Roelofs [mailto:bluebit at comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:26 PM
To: Mike Moore
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil



That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?

Jim Roelofs
303-862-7270 (h)
720-321-1165 (w)
bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)



  _____

From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit



Thanks

Mike



Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508



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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 05:40:14 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:40:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
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It's not always all about price.
Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual 
stuff, why not?
I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had 
sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
Cheers, Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com>
To: "'John Hasty'" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>; "'Jim%20Roelofs'" 
<bluebit at comcast.net>
Cc: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Why would someone risk their engine for the sake of a few dollars cheaper
> oil? Let's put this in perspective. The cost of a reasonable running
> "vintage" engine these days runs between $5k and $10k, some even more. 
> Maybe
> you can save $12 on each oil change but that is nothing compared to the
> expense of a refresh or rebuild of an engine. I am not a petro-chemical
> engineer but have read reports by some who are. The impressions I got is
> that by far the safest and easiest way to insure proper amounts of
> lubrication additives was to go with an oil like Brad Penn.
> Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinions but if the saving of 
> a
> few dollars is a primary parameter in your choice of oil, do look at the 
> big
> picture. Vintage racing is expensive these days and will continue to be.
> Auger into your considerations also the cost of entry and transportation
> fees for a weekend where you become a spectator due to an engine failure.
> These are significant sums for many of us. To coin a clichi; "Choose
> wisely!"
>
> I even use B.P. in the street cars in my collection with flat tappet
> engines.
>
> Russ Moore
> Spitfire #49
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of John Hasty
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:05 PM
> To: Jim%20Roelofs
> Cc: FOT
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you 
> want
> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>
>>
>> Jim Roelofs
>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>
>> B
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> B
>>
>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>
>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>
>> Erie, PA 16508
>>
>> B
>>
>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>
>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 05:42:00 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:42:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
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List: my reply went straight to John.
End of discussion.
Peace,
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
Cc: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Ah..... Obviously a democrat, give them someone else's stuff and you have 
> their vote forever..... Oops, sorry, I couldn't help it........ I 
> apologize.... The devil made me do it!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:49 PM, "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their 
>> "Non-street legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives.
>> I  bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt.
>> In the 70's  Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil. 
>> Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline.
>> With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool. 
>> ZDDPlus makes it really slippery.
>> NFI.
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
>> To: "Jim%20Roelofs" <bluebit at comcast.net>
>> Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>>
>>> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil?  If you 
>>> want
>>> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs <bluebit at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim Roelofs
>>>> 303-862-7270 (h)
>>>> 720-321-1165 (w)
>>>> bluebit at comcast.net (email preferred)
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>>>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>>>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>>>
>>>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>>>>
>>>> 2007 West 32nd Street
>>>>
>>>> Erie, PA 16508
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103
>>>>
>>>> Fax: B  B  B  B 814-864-7383
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>>>>
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From mmoore at wave1.net  Sat Apr 20 05:37:43 2013
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:37:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01ce3dbb$795d4f20$6c17ed60$@net>

In Erie, the $2 off was on all weights (not synthetic), so marked price was
$5.99 and I got them for $3.99

Thanks
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
2007 West 32nd Street
Erie, PA 16508

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
Fax:        814-864-7383

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:34 PM
To: Jim%20Roelofs
Cc: Mike Moore; FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only $3
per quart.  Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for
along time.  The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see what
the current net price was, but there was no discount.

Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
> 
> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
> 
> B 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sat Apr 20 07:38:20 2013
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:38:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <FA52381B43CA419DA033707E3BEEF9EC@TRIUMPH.local>

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/vr1_racing.pdf

VR-1 carries an API rating of "SN". This is the most current standard.

A couple years back when the whole flat tappet cam failure issue was in full 
swing, somebody explained it to me this way...

The problem was caused when our government made mandates involving additives 
to motor oil. They didn't want stuff in the oil of our daily drivers that 
tended to plug up catalitic converters and perhaps gum up sensors. It's all 
about emmissions and mileage, the idea of protecting an engine as best we 
can is no longer the top priority. So the API ratings for motor oil were 
amended to limit how much good stuff goes into the additive packages. .

Real racing oil has no API rating, it can't qualify for one. The additive 
packages we want are outside the limits set by the API.

It's your engine, run whatever you like, but rest assured the VR-1 you buy 
today is a distant relative of the VR-1 you ran when the bottle had an API 
rating of "SJ".

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 07:45:35 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:45:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>
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	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
	<DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>
Message-ID: <659A0309-8DBB-4BA6-A4E1-4E9BB0CDF572@gmail.com>

Just to refresh my memory I had a look at some of the archived discussions on
bobistheoilguy.com.  It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the
fact that it's not all about maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the
upper safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything
above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils
have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300.  Depending on what research one
sees, an adequate level ought to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point
out that oil viscosity has something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those
who are flying non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped
out lobes are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic
mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted
to confirm that).

Duncan (using Rotella 15W40)
Texas
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:

> It's not always all about price.
> Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
stuff, why not?
> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
> That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
> Cheers, Bill


From triosan at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 09:43:17 2013
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:43:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Racing Oil??
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNB1zYgu37j-_yg2PdPwvtgreO=OZ-kJK=M8x_CmM4JmTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Saw the info on the $2 off, went to autozone.  Bought 50W VR-1 Racing oil
for the discount.  I presume this is different than just VR-1 in its flat
tappet protecting properties?


From tpettenati at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 20 09:59:50 2013
From: tpettenati at yahoo.com (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:59:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <659A0309-8DBB-4BA6-A4E1-4E9BB0CDF572@gmail.com>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
	<DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>
	<659A0309-8DBB-4BA6-A4E1-4E9BB0CDF572@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1366473590.24092.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all new
tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently doesn't work
very well on a flat tappet race motor.  

I'm looking at a couple of quarts of
VR-1.  The 10W-30 is SM rated.  The newer 
20W-50 has no API circle but says "
Exceeds SG/CD".  An older quart of 20W-50 
has an API SM circle.  Seems to go
along with the stories that Valvoline had 
recently bumped up the additive
package.

None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be
avoided at 
all costs.

Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil. 
Being overly cautious after 
all the horror stories about flat tappet damage,
I just pulled the head after 
about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is
well and is breaking in nicely.
Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were
hardness checked.  Work was done 
by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting
his shop in Santa Rosa, and it was an 
educational experience.

Cheers,
Tim
----- Original Message ----
From: Duncan Charlton
<duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: FOT of <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, April
20, 2013 8:14:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

Just to refresh my memory I
had a look at some of the archived discussions on
bobistheoilguy.com.  It may
not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the
fact that it's not all about
maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the
upper safe limit due to
corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything
above 1500ppm after
break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
1750ppm, VR1 conventional
has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils
have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40
has about 1300.  Depending on what research one
sees, an adequate level ought
to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point
out that oil viscosity has
something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those
who are flying non-certified
engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped
out lobes are usually traced
back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic
mentioned that certified
engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted
to confirm that).

Duncan
(using Rotella 15W40)
Texas
1952 Morgan Plus 4
#6 red

On Apr 20, 2013, at
6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:

> It's not always all about price.
> Maybe you
like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
stuff, why not?
> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
> That's why there
are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
> Cheers, Bill
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Apr 20 10:32:48 2013
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:32:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <FA52381B43CA419DA033707E3BEEF9EC@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <F0.F0.11869.623C2715@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> VR-1 carries an API rating of "SN". This is the most current standard.

However, "SN" only limits phosphorous content for low viscosity oils, like
10W30 and down.  If you read the spec carefully, you'll find that VR1 only
carries "SN" in 20W50, which is exempt from the phosphorous (and hence ZDDP)
restriction.

-- Randall 


From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 11:46:24 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:46:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com>
	<002b01ce3dbb$795d4f20$6c17ed60$@net>
Message-ID: <E49FD3DFA22B42799F5C961355B6A0C2@hpd530>

Mike, I was at 38th and Peach and got some VR1 and also picked up some 
30weight regular Valvoline for $2 a qt. Great for some of my old tractors.
Stay warm, Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
To: "'Duncan Charlton'" <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>; "'Jim%20Roelofs'" 
<bluebit at comcast.net>
Cc: "'FOT'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> In Erie, the $2 off was on all weights (not synthetic), so marked price 
> was
> $5.99 and I got them for $3.99
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 2007 West 32nd Street
> Erie, PA 16508
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
> Fax:        814-864-7383
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:34 PM
> To: Jim%20Roelofs
> Cc: Mike Moore; FOT
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only 
> $3
> per quart.  Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for
> along time.  The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see 
> what
> the current net price was, but there was no discount.
>
> Duncan
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net>
>> To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM
>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>>
>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit
>>
>> B
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 20 11:49:06 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:49:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com>
	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
	<DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>
	<659A0309-8DBB-4BA6-A4E1-4E9BB0CDF572@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1FF91F1473D4E9FB450872E6FC28831@hpd530>

Hi, I didn't realize Rotelle T was that high.
I use it in my Diesel tractors and my old pickup. Also my old Oliver 1650.
Good stuff.
Thanks for the info.
Bill
P.S. The new Hemi uses 5w-20.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan Charlton" <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: "FOT of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil


> Just to refresh my memory I had a look at some of the archived discussions 
> on
> bobistheoilguy.com.  It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of 
> the
> fact that it's not all about maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be 
> the
> upper safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that 
> anything
> above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
> 1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race 
> oils
> have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300.  Depending on what research 
> one
> sees, an adequate level ought to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics 
> point
> out that oil viscosity has something to do with cam lobe wear, too --  
> those
> who are flying non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and 
> wiped
> out lobes are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one 
> mechanic
> mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't 
> attempted
> to confirm that).
>
> Duncan (using Rotella 15W40)
> Texas
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:
>
>> It's not always all about price.
>> Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
> stuff, why not?
>> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
> sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
>> That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
>> Cheers, Bill
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 22:35:07 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 23:35:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <1366473590.24092.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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	<001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com>
	<DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>
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A friend poured a whole quart of what he called "straight ZDDP" into his
Morgan's freshly rebuilt TR engine.  Seems it wasn't a good idea.  He said,
"It coated everything in a golden syrup, bunged up the valves, coated the
pistons, crank, the works."

Duncan

On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote:

> I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all new
> tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently doesn't
work
> very well on a flat tappet race motor.
>
> I'm looking at a couple of quarts of
> VR-1.  The 10W-30 is SM rated.  The newer
> 20W-50 has no API circle but says "
> Exceeds SG/CD".  An older quart of 20W-50
> has an API SM circle.  Seems to go
> along with the stories that Valvoline had
> recently bumped up the additive
> package.
>
> None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be
> avoided at
> all costs.
>
> Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil.
> Being overly cautious after
> all the horror stories about flat tappet damage,
> I just pulled the head after
> about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is
> well and is breaking in nicely.
> Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were
> hardness checked.  Work was done
> by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting
> his shop in Santa Rosa, and it was an
> educational experience.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Duncan Charlton
> <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: FOT of <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, April
> 20, 2013 8:14:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Just to refresh my memory I
> had a look at some of the archived discussions on
> bobistheoilguy.com.  It may
> not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the
> fact that it's not all about
> maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the
> upper safe limit due to
> corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything
> above 1500ppm after
> break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing oils have
> 1750ppm, VR1 conventional
> has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils
> have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40
> has about 1300.  Depending on what research one
> sees, an adequate level ought
> to be 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point
> out that oil viscosity has
> something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those
> who are flying non-certified
> engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped
> out lobes are usually traced
> back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic
> mentioned that certified
> engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted
> to confirm that).
>
> Duncan
> (using Rotella 15W40)
> Texas
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at
> 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:
>
>> It's not always all about price.
>> Maybe you
> like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual
> stuff, why not?
>> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had
> sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
>> That's why there
> are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
>> Cheers, Bill
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Sun Apr 21 03:39:17 2013
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:39:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
In-Reply-To: <64C03656-3308-4A53-89AA-75C1C0B44731@gmail.com>
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	<DE7EFB97D099488B92707E70163E9D53@hpd530>
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Amateur chemists often have similar results. 
One can only lead a horse to water; can't force him to drink it. Even if it
is for his own good. I repeat, "Choose wisely!"

Russ

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Duncan Charlton
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 12:35 AM
To: FOT of
Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil

A friend poured a whole quart of what he called "straight ZDDP" into his
Morgan's freshly rebuilt TR engine.  Seems it wasn't a good idea.  He said,
"It coated everything in a golden syrup, bunged up the valves, coated the
pistons, crank, the works."

Duncan

On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote:

> I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all 
> new tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently 
> doesn't
work
> very well on a flat tappet race motor.
>
> I'm looking at a couple of quarts of
> VR-1.  The 10W-30 is SM rated.  The newer
> 20W-50 has no API circle but says "
> Exceeds SG/CD".  An older quart of 20W-50 has an API SM circle.  Seems 
> to go along with the stories that Valvoline had recently bumped up the 
> additive package.
>
> None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be 
> avoided at all costs.
>
> Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil.
> Being overly cautious after
> all the horror stories about flat tappet damage, I just pulled the 
> head after about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is well and is 
> breaking in nicely.
> Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were hardness checked.  Work 
> was done by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting his shop in Santa 
> Rosa, and it was an educational experience.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Duncan Charlton
> <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> To: FOT of <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, April
> 20, 2013 8:14:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil
>
> Just to refresh my memory I
> had a look at some of the archived discussions on bobistheoilguy.com.  
> It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that it's 
> not all about maximum ZDDP.  Some consider 1800ppm to be the upper 
> safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that 
> anything above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary.  Mobile 1 racing 
> oils have 1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, 
> Redline race oils have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300.  
> Depending on what research one sees, an adequate level ought to be 
> 1100-1500ppm.  Aircraft mechanics point out that oil viscosity has 
> something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those who are flying 
> non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped out lobes 
> are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic 
> mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't 
> attempted to confirm that).
>
> Duncan
> (using Rotella 15W40)
> Texas
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4
> #6 red
>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at
> 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote:
>
>> It's not always all about price.
>> Maybe you
> like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual stuff, 
> why not?
>> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have 
>> had
> sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it?
>> That's why there
> are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like.
>> Cheers, Bill
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Apr 21 20:16:29 2013
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:16:29 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
Message-ID: <20130421.221629.2525.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

Big bore (89mm), big valves, big cam and Weber Carbs got me 188 hp at the
flywheel.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: "<yellow04 at tr4racer.com>" <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Cc: "<fot at autox.team.net>" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:11:23 -0500

Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying to
figure out how to get to 170hp :)

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have
> thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon!
>
> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is
stopping
> him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a
> repeat at Summit Point next month!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car
>
>
>> Agreed!  Best racing I've had in a while.  My old Speedsters took just
>> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote:
>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!!
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 22 06:31:45 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hauling from CA to TX or vice versa
Message-ID: <A6C6CED8-49D4-4A87-A579-2A7270613CC6@gmail.com>

Anybody got trailer space from the Bay area in CA to somewhere in Texas in the
next two weeks?  I need to transport a Morgan.

If the answer is no, does anyone need a car hauled from central Texas to CA in
case I drive to the San Francisco area to pick up the Morgan?


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Mon Apr 22 11:31:55 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:31:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304220827390.11235@isis.mit.edu>
References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
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Thanks Bob.  I am running new Toyo Proxes RR.  I don't look for significant
temps until at least 3 or 4 autocross runs on a hot day.  So far I haven't
really had the hot days and maybe these tires are a little stiffer.  Last year
I 
ran a nearly new set of Hoosier R6 and seemed to be able to read the center
pressures to determine ultimate pressure.  I ended up with 32 front and 28
rear.  Jim



________________________________
From: Robert M. Lang
<lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Sent: Mon,
April 22, 2013 5:33:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire temp question

Hi,

You can
only get "good" tire temps on a skid pad. If you try to get temps just 
coming
off an autocross course, you won't get accurate results. About the only 
tire
pressure adjustment you can make from autocross is the base pressure that 
you
need to keep the tire from rolling over.

What I've done is to run the skidpad
and set the base pressure. Then up it a 
little and measure for even temps.
Note: the outside wheels do the most work so 
focus on those. Then switch
directions and get the other side.

>From there, when you run autocrosses, use
the tire pressure to balance the car.

Also, ask around. I get good info from
other folks and then build on that.

What tires are you running?

regards,
rml
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Mon Apr 22 11:47:01 2013
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:47:01 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
In-Reply-To: <1366651915.51506.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC>
	<1366413451.74004.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1304220827390.11235@isis.mit.edu>
	<1366651915.51506.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D02E7481-7F45-415B-9298-DF96A2088944@bnj.com>

Tire temperatures that you get from a hot day or autocross runs are useless
for setting up suspension or determiniming appropriate tire pressure. Even
tire temps on a track are relatively inaccurate unless you take a series of
tight turns at good speed and stop immediately to read them without an
intervening straight.


On Apr 22, 2013, at 7:31 AM, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> Thanks Bob.  I am running new Toyo Proxes RR.  I don't look for significant
> temps until at least 3 or 4 autocross runs on a hot day.  So far I haven't
> really had the hot days and maybe these tires are a little stiffer.  Last
year
> I
> ran a nearly new set of Hoosier R6 and seemed to be able to read the center
> pressures to determine ultimate pressure.  I ended up with 32 front and 28
> rear.  Jim
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert M. Lang
> <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
> Sent: Mon,
> April 22, 2013 5:33:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire temp question
>
> Hi,
>
> You can
> only get "good" tire temps on a skid pad. If you try to get temps just
> coming
> off an autocross course, you won't get accurate results. About the only
> tire
> pressure adjustment you can make from autocross is the base pressure that
> you
> need to keep the tire from rolling over.
>
> What I've done is to run the skidpad
> and set the base pressure. Then up it a
> little and measure for even temps.
> Note: the outside wheels do the most work so
> focus on those. Then switch
> directions and get the other side.
>
> From there, when you run autocrosses, use
> the tire pressure to balance the car.
>
> Also, ask around. I get good info from
> other folks and then build on that.
>
> What tires are you running?
>
> regards,
> rml
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Mon Apr 22 23:00:13 2013
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:00:13 +1000
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAACxbEgK3O79MiqnuYcYqj9HCgAAAEAAAAAl53WE/KZRCkbe1KUgaYTABAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Listers, 

 

Are any of you running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
tires? Finding that you are having to run them with less pressure than other
tires used to get your times up?

 

We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the TOYO's, That is
what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP DZ03's etc., they
get VERY 'skatey'

 

 

 

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

TR-4

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 23 00:23:28 2013
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:23:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question
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I take tire temperatures but these values are pretty useless. I never got
any close to the recommended temperature. I set pressure to the best stick
over the distance.

Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 23 10:25:05 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:25:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP NEWS
Message-ID: <8D00E563FAC1908-1D0C-2582@webmail-m242.sysops.aol.com>

FOT:

Thanks to Steve Belfer, Joe Pawlak, Blake Discher we now have the latest in a
series of Kastner Cup Posters in hand. They will be free to FOT and VTR in
attendance at ROAD AMERICA.

We are very close to wrapping up the TRIUMPH PACKAGE WEEKEND DEAL. This will
impact all FOT that are attendees and not entering as Driver's. The 'package
deal' will extend to Triumph Club Members, as well. Track Touring, Old Course
Reenactment, Friday's Welcome Dinner and Triumph Car Show will be included in
the PACKAGE.

Jason's Paddock Planning is going very well, and the garages are filling up
quickly. Thursday afternoon and evening will be very special as Dave Young
will be sending Tech Inspectors to our garages and we should be able to hang
together tightly and get acquainted or re-acquainted. There will be the option
of ordering in BROASTED CHICKEN and PIZZA from a local restaurant.

VSCDA'S Mike and Deb Korneli have developed the ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL
weekend into a Premier Event over the past 8 years. It has all of the features
of Watkins Glen, but without the crush of a big 'festival event'. Everything
is close in and convenient, and the weather is usually the best with just a
touch of autumn color in the trees.

Regards,

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Tue Apr 23 10:39:36 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
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Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures are
you 
running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
________________________________
From: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
10:03:51 PM
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Listers, 



Are any of you
running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
tires? Finding that
you are having to run them with less pressure than other
tires used to get
your times up?



We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
TOYO's, That is
what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
DZ03's etc., they
get VERY 'skatey'







Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

TR-4
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From apackard68 at att.net  Tue Apr 23 11:14:42 2013
From: apackard68 at att.net (Andy Packard)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:14:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
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FWIW,
I autocross my TR250 with these tires and found maintaining 37-38 psi was
best. Lower and they get very mushy, higher they're over inflated and reduce
contact. Not sure if this is helpful for your application.

Andy Packard
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:39 AM, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures
are
> you
> running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
> ________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
> <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
> tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> tires used to get
> your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
> _______________________________________________
>
> <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Apr 23 11:35:10 2013
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:35:10 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
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Hi both,

I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures
are
> you
> running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
> ________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
> <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
> tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> tires used to get
> your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
> _______________________________________________
>
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Tue Apr 23 13:11:29 2013
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
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So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
________________________________
From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Hi both,
I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have 
a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension 
setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car
to handle like 
a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension
settings and my style of 
driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my
iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures are
> you 
> running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
>
________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
>
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22,
2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
> 
> Listers, 
> 
> 
> 
>
Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
>
tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> tires used to get
> your times up?
> 
> 
> 
> We are finding that if you run
'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the
YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Peter Vucinic
> 
> TR-4
>
_______________________________________________
> 
>
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Apr 23 14:35:50 2013
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:35:50 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
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I run 22 front, 24 rear.

Keith

Sent from my iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 21:11, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:

> So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
>
> From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
> To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
> Cc: Peter Vucinic <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net"
<fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Hi both,
>
> I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....
>
> Happy to provide my pressure settings though.
>
> Keith
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
>
> > Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What pressures
are
> > you
> > running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
> > ________________________________
> > From: Peter Vucinic
> > <pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> > To: fot at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013
> > 10:03:51 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
> >
> > Listers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Are any of you
> > running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
> > tires? Finding that
> > you are having to run them with less pressure than other
> > tires used to get
> > your times up?
> >
> >
> >
> > We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the
> > TOYO's, That is
> > what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> > DZ03's etc., they
> > get VERY 'skatey'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > Peter Vucinic
> >
> > TR-4
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
> > fot at autox.team.net
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 23 14:46:36 2013
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:46:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
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Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD504@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

I run the Toyo Proxes on my GT6 race car. Size 205/60-13. Typically run 22#
front (cold) and 20-21# rear.

Edward Dunn

West Coast Vintage Racing
2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101
Encinitas CA 92024

760-492-3814
www.vintageracing.us



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of sherry robyn
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Keith Files
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
________________________________
From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Hi both,
I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my
iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What
> pressures are you running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
>
________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
>
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22,
2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
>
Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
>
tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other tires used to
> get your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run
'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the
YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
>
_______________________________________________
>
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Apr 23 15:05:42 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:05:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Yahoo, etc.
Message-ID: <5176F7A6.6000004@bradakis.com>

I  think the yahoo, btinternet and sbcglobal issue is finally resolved.
I'll keep an eye on things to make sure.

mjb.


From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Apr 23 15:16:22 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:16:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
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funny, I run the Toyo R888s, and was running the same 20 lb +/- pressures, on
my GT6.  I had pretty even temps across them, but was getting a lot of
understeer.  Kas suggested the pressure was way too low for radials.  I had
started in the mid 20s and worked my way down.  Then I went up close to where
the Miata racers run them - 29 rear and 31 front cold, about 35 hot, and the
handling is much improved.
Still getting even temps across the tires - running 1.8 degrees negative
camber front and 2.2 rear.  Tried to get pressure recommendations out of Toyo,
but no luck.

Miss the Kumho V700s - they were a stickier, better handling tire, but not
available in this size any more.

On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:

I run the Toyo Proxes on my GT6 race car. Size 205/60-13. Typically run 22#
front (cold) and 20-21# rear.

Edward Dunn

West Coast Vintage Racing
2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101
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760-492-3814
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Behalf
Of sherry robyn
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Keith Files
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

So what are your pressures Keith.  I am interested.  Thanks, Jim
________________________________
From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc: Peter Vucinic
<pvucinic at netspace.net.au>; "fot at autox.team.net"
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Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888

Hi both,
I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and
have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered
suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car
to
handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings
and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal
thing....

Happy to provide my pressure settings though.

Keith

Sent from my
iPad

On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net> wrote:
> Peter,  I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire).  What
> pressures are you running with the 888s on your Triumph?  Jim
>
________________________________
> From: Peter Vucinic
>
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> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, April 22,
2013
> 10:03:51 PM
> Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
>
Are any of you
> running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these
>
tires? Finding that
> you are having to run them with less pressure than other tires used to
> get your times up?
>
>
>
> We are finding that if you run
'normal' pressures in the
> TOYO's, That is
> what we would run in the
YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP
> DZ03's etc., they
> get VERY 'skatey'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
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From apackard68 at att.net  Wed Apr 24 13:01:29 2013
From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR250 Engine block pronounced DOA by machine shop
Message-ID: <1366830089.60289.YahooMailRC@web181102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

B  
Hello Friends.
I am now in need of a replacement six cylinder block for my
every day and 
autocrossing TR250. Apparently my cam wore the block so bad it
created a crack.B  
It did not have cam bearings and was likely starved of oil
when I was dealing 
with a bad oil pump last year.

I sold a GT6 block a short
time ago and I knowB a fellow club memberB just got rid 
of one.B  Anyone out
there with a spare sitting around to sell and close to 
Northern California?B 
I don't need any of the guts or peripherals and can return 
all parts after
disassembly if wanted.B  


Please letB me know if you can help.B  I'd love to
have the car running again for 
a club-hosted June autocross.

Andy Packard
925 577 7704
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Apr 24 14:38:27 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July  - MG vs Triumph
In-Reply-To: <SNT126-W5BE0A8BE41BC789B0E09DD4B50@phx.gbl>
References: <kl4sc8+h83f@eGroups.com> <kl65aj+lthr@eGroups.com>
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poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster Factory
that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday.  The notice said
20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park.
http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spon
sored-by-the-roadster-factory/

On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:


Scott,

Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the paddock on
Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic.  But it does get crowded
by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better.  Last year I
arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left, but going fast.
Noon would probably be better.  (timing inversely proportional to the size of
your rig)

Mark Palmer

To: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com
From: sjanzen at me.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400
Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule



I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs night
or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock?

On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:



Jim -- and others looking for lodging,

The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a Wyndham,
they just converted in March I believe.  Rate is $189/night, not exactly
cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they have just renovated
everything.  As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year (Holiday)
but you can park on the street for free.  No room for rigs whatsoever.  Janet
likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the
university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she decides not to
ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility.

Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price range.

To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards Monroeville
near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out there around
$100 - 120/night.  Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but probably
takes about half an hour each way.

Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a donation to
the charities which is a nice plus.

Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people based on
the GWVR (no potty though).

Mark Palmer


> --- In VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" <jim_arnett at ...> wrote:
> >
> > Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP Schenley
weekend.  They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere. We
don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just happy to be
there and to be together.
> > Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed.  Not
too far from Schenley is good too.
> > Any recommdations?






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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Apr 24 15:53:14 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:53:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July  - MG vs Triumph
In-Reply-To: <C17A7900-BD1A-48A0-B0C7-8F31CF6FD2CF@me.com>
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	<SNT126-W186E634C74768852B19B92D4B40@phx.gbl>
	<174756BA-C4DC-4064-A22B-E2B5EA8D32AF@me.com>
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I'll be there too. I was told by one of the organizers if you have a big rig
you should get there before 5 on Thursday. We are staying at a hotel on Forbes
can't remember the name.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster
Factory
> that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday.  The notice
said
> 20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park.
>
http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spon
> sored-by-the-roadster-factory/
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the paddock on
> Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic.  But it does get
crowded
> by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better.  Last year I
> arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left, but going
fast.
> Noon would probably be better.  (timing inversely proportional to the size
of
> your rig)
>
> Mark Palmer
>
> To: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com
> From: sjanzen at me.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400
> Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule
>
>
>
> I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs
night
> or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock?
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
>
> Jim -- and others looking for lodging,
>
> The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a Wyndham,
> they just converted in March I believe.  Rate is $189/night, not exactly
> cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they have just
renovated
> everything.  As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year
(Holiday)
> but you can park on the street for free.  No room for rigs whatsoever.
Janet
> likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the
> university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she decides not
to
> ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility.
>
> Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price
range.
>
> To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards
Monroeville
> near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out there
around
> $100 - 120/night.  Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but probably
> takes about half an hour each way.
>
> Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a donation
to
> the charities which is a nice plus.
>
> Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people based on
> the GWVR (no potty though).
>
> Mark Palmer
>
>
>> --- In VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" <jim_arnett at ...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP Schenley
> weekend.  They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere.
We
> don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just happy to
be
> there and to be together.
>>> Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed.  Not
> too far from Schenley is good too.
>>> Any recommdations?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Apr 24 19:14:49 2013
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:14:49 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b2uKpdan8Z6mopS9LuzrBhEbTHFb-Rwm-rnVC0UcLtYzQ@mail.gmail.com>

we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in
general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones

on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting
to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and
layout, but its a good starting point.

Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure
around 42psi.

On production cars with primitive suspensions  like TR's we struggle to get
them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures

if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your
temperature data



Terry


From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Apr 24 19:21:59 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888
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Nope, my tires are not getting to 194 degrees F/90 C.  More like 155 on a hot
day.

On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:

we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in
general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones

on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting
to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and
layout, but its a good starting point.

Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure
around 42psi.

On production cars with primitive suspensions  like TR's we struggle to get
them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures

if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your
temperature data



Terry
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From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Wed Apr 24 23:24:03 2013
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:24:03 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888
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Terry,
The PROXES I started this thread with, were fitted to TR7 V8 Race car,
fairly heavy spring rates. We found that we would get 10+ PSI change in 5
Laps (13.5 miles total) on a 25c (77F) day.




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track
Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2013 11:15 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888

we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in
general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones

on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting
to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and
layout, but its a good starting point.

Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure
around 42psi.

On production cars with primitive suspensions  like TR's we struggle to get
them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures

if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your temperature
data



Terry
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 07:33:33 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:33:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
Message-ID: <6C6284DF94E4448CB324E94BF9AAC691@gdhs.local>

Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old
set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR.  I was
able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now
available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix.  Just let me know
and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping.....

John H. Hasty
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 08:53:19 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:53:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
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Todd:  I have no idea if they are compatable to a TS motor, perhaps someone
else could tell you. 

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From: Todd Redmond [mailto:alfetta95 at optonline.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:32 AM
To: jhhasty at gdhs.com
Subject: RE: [Fot] Exhaust Headers

John,

If they are for a TR3 and are still available, Ill take them!


Todd Redmond




n Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM, john hasty wrote:

> Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me 
> an old set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for 
> VIR.  I was able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the 
> used set is now available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar 
> fix.  Just let me know and they will be on their way to you for the 
> cost of shipping.....
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 08:51:55 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:51:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
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The Stahl header was perfect.  3 pictures attached.  I had them send the
engine plate to me first so we could fit it to the modified head.  Had them
use 16 gage 1-5/8" tubing instead of 18 gage.  It is 4 into 1.  The fit of
the primary tubes to the rectangle exhaust outlets was perfect as if they
had been forged to shape.  The primary tubes, as best I could measure, were
exactly the same length.  I had the collector welded and they used an
additional strap around the primary tubes at the point they fit into the
collector.  I then had Airborne ceramic coat it to reduce the radiated heat,
they say, by 35%.  The collector was close to touching the frame at one
point and Allen made a little more clearance by modifying the frame at that
point, but other than that no fitting problems.  (Note my old header had the
same frame clearance problem)
 
Bud's old header is 4 into 1 & has rust etc. but is sound and useable.  I
have no idea who made it, perhaps Bud could tell us.     Cheers!
 

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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  _____  

From: davehogye [mailto:dlhogye at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:01 AM
To: john hasty
Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Headers


Hi John, 
How did the Stahl header work out?  How did it fit?  Any frame clearance
issues?  What is the old header like?  Do you know who made it?  Is it a
4-1, or 4-2-1?


Dave H.


  _____  

From: "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:33:33 AM
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers

Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old
set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR.  I was
able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now
available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix.  Just let me know
and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping.....

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Apr 25 09:44:05 2013
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hasty's Header
Message-ID: <51760080.e463.13e41dda7a0.Webtop.14@optonline.net>

To All,

Will John's header for a CT motor work on a TS motor?  I have the high 
port head.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure which motor is in my TR3.   What are 
the differences, if any, between the two motors?


Thanks

Todd Redmond


From apackard68 at att.net  Thu Apr 25 10:19:23 2013
From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Engine block search status
Message-ID: <1366906763.79952.YahooMailRC@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks to everyone for overwhelming response.  
I'll be picking up a TR250
block in nearby Folsom, CA this weekend and hopefully 
it checks out at the
machine shop.  If it doesn't, I'll likely be contacting the 
other offers I
rec'd.  Nice to know there is so much support for a fellow 
enthusiast in a
pinch!
Andy Packard


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 25 07:40:25 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:40:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July  - MG vs Triumph
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PS: Hotel is Hilton Garden Inn


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Hasty
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:53 PM
To: Scott Janzen
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July - MG vs Triumph

I'll be there too. I was told by one of the organizers if you have a big rig
you should get there before 5 on Thursday. We are staying at a hotel on
Forbes can't remember the name.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster
Factory
> that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday.  The
> notice
said
> 20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park.
>
http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spo
n
> sored-by-the-roadster-factory/
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the
> paddock on Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic.  But it
> does get
crowded
> by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better.  Last
> year I arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left,
> but going
fast.
> Noon would probably be better.  (timing inversely proportional to the
> size
of
> your rig)
>
> Mark Palmer
>
> To: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com
> From: sjanzen at me.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400
> Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule
>
>
>
> I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs
night
> or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock?
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote:
>
>
>
> Jim -- and others looking for lodging,
>
> The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a
> Wyndham, they just converted in March I believe.  Rate is $189/night,
> not exactly cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they
> have just
renovated
> everything.  As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year
(Holiday)
> but you can park on the street for free.  No room for rigs whatsoever.
Janet
> likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the
> university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she
> decides not
to
> ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility.
>
> Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price
range.
>
> To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards
Monroeville
> near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out
> there
around
> $100 - 120/night.  Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but
> probably takes about half an hour each way.
>
> Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a
> donation
to
> the charities which is a nice plus.
>
> Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people
> based on the GWVR (no potty though).
>
> Mark Palmer
>
>
>> --- In VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" <jim_arnett at ...>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP
>>> Schenley
> weekend.  They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere.
We
> don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just
> happy to
be
> there and to be together.
>>> Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed.
>>> Not
> too far from Schenley is good too.
>>> Any recommdations?
>
>
>
>
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Apr 25 09:50:44 2013
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:50:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
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The car came to me with a UK sourced header. That's all I know about it.

Bob Kramer
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 25, 2013, at 9:51 AM, "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> The Stahl header was perfect.  3 pictures attached.  I had them send the
> engine plate to me first so we could fit it to the modified head.  Had them
> use 16 gage 1-5/8" tubing instead of 18 gage.  It is 4 into 1.  The fit of
> the primary tubes to the rectangle exhaust outlets was perfect as if they
> had been forged to shape.  The primary tubes, as best I could measure, were
> exactly the same length.  I had the collector welded and they used an
> additional strap around the primary tubes at the point they fit into the
> collector.  I then had Airborne ceramic coat it to reduce the radiated
heat,
> they say, by 35%.  The collector was close to touching the frame at one
> point and Allen made a little more clearance by modifying the frame at that
> point, but other than that no fitting problems.  (Note my old header had
the
> same frame clearance problem)
>
> Bud's old header is 4 into 1 & has rust etc. but is sound and useable.  I
> have no idea who made it, perhaps Bud could tell us.     Cheers!
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
> Tele: (704) 372-5600
> Fax: (704) 372-4601
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>
>
>  _____
>
> From: davehogye [mailto:dlhogye at comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:01 AM
> To: john hasty
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
>
>
> Hi John,
> How did the Stahl header work out?  How did it fit?  Any frame clearance
> issues?  What is the old header like?  Do you know who made it?  Is it a
> 4-1, or 4-2-1?
>
>
> Dave H.
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:33:33 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers
>
> Amici:  When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old
> set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR.  I was
> able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now
> available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix.  Just let me
know
> and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping.....
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
> Tele: (704) 372-5600
> Fax: (704) 372-4601
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Apr 25 22:52:32 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:52:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Final note on yahoo
Message-ID: <517A0810.5030907@bradakis.com>

I think I have finally cleared out all the duplicate addresses I set up 
during
the yahoo mess, so those who started getting two of every post should now be
getting only one.

mjb.


From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Thu Apr 25 23:53:39 2013
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 00:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 hard top hardware
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVuzk7woU9SceC_SPjb-YrKJWtwpxH8ih8rf1RLeOr9QdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone!
I recently aquired/was given a hardtop for my Spitfire 1500. Does anyone
have an extra set of the mounting hardware for the B pillars? Since they
are unobtainium I'm hoping someone here has a set. Otherwise it's time to
get my designing skills out from under the dust. Thank you.
Mike Jankowski


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 26 07:52:06 2013
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:52:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH ENTRIES AT KASTNER CUP 2013 TRIUMPH RUN WEEKEND RUN
 GROUP?
Message-ID: <8D0109C5F9AE2C9-678-1EE00@webmail-m265.sysops.aol.com>

FOT ENTRANTS:

VSCDA feels that if our entries land between 60 and 70 cars, they will want to
schedule a separate run group with just TRIUMPHS.

This complicates their scheduling, it may be the best decision for them.

FOR US, it means that VSCDA can schedule our run times so we can ALL take full
advantage  of the Saturday Afternoon activities.  The Race Car drive into
Elkhart, Old Course Reenactment, Gather On the Green, etc.

IT ALSO means that we might all have better scheduling for Sunday
departures.......

So, this is not a solicitation for more entries, but for the best information
possible for PLANNING PURPOSES.

We seem to be at 60+ Drivers, but we will need a CAR COUNT.  Contact Marty
Sukey  trmarty at hotmail.com  if you plan to enter and have not indicated so.

If we don't have a separate run group, we will try to get the best possible
scheduling for the TRIUMPHS, in any case.

The planning seems to be going well for a maximum FOT EXPERIENCE at ELVF.
Thanks!

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Apr 26 07:56:03 2013
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:56:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder new SS Falcon headers (WTS)
Message-ID: <001a01ce4285$cac89670$6059c350$@rr.com>

Shameless effort to fund racing program!

 

Please contact me off-line if you are interested in a set of new Falcon
stainless steel headers for TR-250/TR-6 application. I also have the SS
collector pipe that makes this into a single outlet which is what one would
want for any type of competition. If you do desire a dual system those pipes
are also available to connect this to an aftermarket system like a Monza. I
have pictures available if interested. I will sell this for considerably
less than listed at any retailer.

 

I will be at the Jefferson 500 in May and Mosport in June if that helps with
delivery.

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49


From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 26 09:09:46 2013
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:09:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps
Message-ID: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Is anyone using lash caps?
I'm looking at using these:
http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html
I'd like to hear the pros
and cons.
I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues.  
They will add about
.070" to the top of the valve stem.

Regards,
Tim


From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Apr 26 09:31:19 2013
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:31:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps
In-Reply-To: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.236.1638252579.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

I'm using them on my TR-4.  I've had to shorten them on the bench 
grinder to not hit the valve keeper, but they've caused not 
problems.  My car came with roller rockers and the Lash Caps, and it 
seemed like a good idea so I've continued to use them.  Seems like it 
would give a larger area for the roller tip to roll on.

Tony Drews

At 10:09 AM 4/26/2013, Tim Pettenati wrote:
>Is anyone using lash caps?
>I'm looking at using these:
>http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html
>I'd like to hear the pros
>and cons.
>I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues.
>They will add about
>.070" to the top of the valve stem.
>
>Regards,
>Tim
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 26 11:22:34 2013
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:22:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps
In-Reply-To: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CD8390D-C60C-4C77-BA29-58A04CB0DA2D@gmail.com>

I have a 1936 Matchless V-twin engine that uses these.  No issues as long as
they fit right to start with.

Duncan
1952 Morgan Plus 4
1936 Morgan 3-wheeler


On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote:

> Is anyone using lash caps?
> I'm looking at using these:
> http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html
> I'd like to hear the pros
> and cons.
> I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues.
> They will add about
> .070" to the top of the valve stem.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Apr 26 15:07:47 2013
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:07:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389
Message-ID: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net>

Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red)  
sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni  
won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from  
Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried  
most of the usual places but have come up empty.

Thanks
Bud Rolofson

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 26 16:06:50 2013
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:06:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389
In-Reply-To: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net>
References: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <904F8C38-7F54-440E-9ACC-FA9AB48CDD63@gdhs.com>

Bid.  You might call Paul Spruell in Atlanta. He is an Alfa guy, but had red
ones in stock when I needed some for my Alfa...... They might be the same.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Bud R <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red)
> sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni
> won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from
> Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried
> most of the usual places but have come up empty.
>
> Thanks
> Bud Rolofson
>
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Apr 26 16:39:19 2013
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:39:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389
In-Reply-To: <904F8C38-7F54-440E-9ACC-FA9AB48CDD63@gdhs.com>
References: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net>
	<904F8C38-7F54-440E-9ACC-FA9AB48CDD63@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <009701ce42ce$e3e95920$abbc0b60$@rr.com>

Got it covered I believe.

Russ

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Hasty
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:07 PM
To: Bud R
Cc: FOT triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389

Bid.  You might call Paul Spruell in Atlanta. He is an Alfa guy, but had red
ones in stock when I needed some for my Alfa...... They might be the same.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Bud R <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red) 
> sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni 
> won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from 
> Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried 
> most of the usual places but have come up empty.
>
> Thanks
> Bud Rolofson
>
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) 
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Apr 27 17:26:20 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:26:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing and compression
Message-ID: <3FD61C72-4AA2-4124-A365-1D7D9361FB4F@me.com>

The GT6 recently got a nice valve job, and in the process we verified that the
compression, which I had thought was 11.5:1, was actually only 10.4:1.  Now,
approx. 40/1000 later, it's 11.9:1.
So, the question is, how much should I dial back total ignition advance from
the 32 degrees I was running?
Also, expectations with Weber carb set up - will different jetting be
required?


From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Apr 29 14:07:25 2013
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:07:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] bad news and good news
Message-ID: <CALCydYpAe9t4aHGnv1iF5B242PLRiXdgPcX3PO3qtqtmfnb0GA@mail.gmail.com>

The bad news is that I lost lots and lots of really cool stuff due to
flooding at both basements (my home and antique store). The past week and a
half was long sad 18 hour days of hauling ruined stuff to the dumpster. I
accepted the loss pretty calming (to my wife's surprise, as I usually deal
with things like this will lots of yelling and swearing and screaming and
crying)
In a rare moment of maturity, somehow I accepted the defeat graciously...
put my head down, tried to keep a smile on my face and  trudged through the
long messy clean up.

The good news is that I hauled my last garbage bag and poured my last
bottle of bleach in time to get down to some serious RACING. This
weekend held my annual season kick off race weekend. The Saint Joseph's
College "Little 500" 3 hour endurance go kart race for students/ faculty
and Alumni.
I took second in the alumni race.
And in a big moment of glory for Friendly Ghost Racing... our Student drove
a flawless race to bring the FGR team an awesome victory. After over 100
miles of racing on the bumpy campus street course, any one of the top 5
drivers was in a position to win. Under strong attack we stayed smart under
pressure and won all the marbles. After doing this for 23 years in a row
now, and getting the kid's kart prepped to perfection in spite of my awful
prior week... this victory is one of our sweetest to date!

Funny how a few moments of glory at the track can wash away the losses of a
"100 year rain".
Goddamn, I must proclaim....racing is really good for the soul!

I'm back at my "paddock master" desk now.
New Kastner Cup Paddock information shortly forthcoming.
Thanks!
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing


From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Apr 29 15:43:50 2013
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:43:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info For Kastner Cup #2
Message-ID: <CALCydYoG6PdpwFt8e7hvJ+9OarJ+vC5DQnFpyXiF5=aCOKfabg@mail.gmail.com>

This is the 2nd instalment of Paddock Info for the Kastner Cup.

ATTENTION ALL KASTNER CUP PARTICIPANTS:

Notes on status of Garage rentals:

Many of you have reserved garage spaces in the open air Lester Buildings.
This will be Triumph headquarters for various aspects of The Kastner Cup.

If you have reserved a space. THANK YOU!
At this point there are only a few garage spots left, call it fair warning!

If you have reserved a garage spot and HAVE SENT me a payment already...
THANK YOU for being early to the grid.

If you have reserved a garage spot and have NOT SENT payment yet...
Second call!
Please send $50.00 per spot payable to:
Wonderland Multivintage
3731 Grand Blvd
Brookfield IL 60513

(Notice to all garage renters>>> Do not be alarmed if you have not heard
from me yet or gotten any official confirmation. Official confirmation in
regards to garage space has not yet been given. So, Again, If you paid
already, thanks...look for a personal email in the coming days in regard
to your official confirmation.)

Notes on General Paddock Arrangement:

Negotiations and initial planning for the ALL TRIUMPH PADDOCK is going well.
It is a rare thing to have any special paddock arrangements made at Road
America. Thanks to some dedicated FoTer's voices and persistent contact
with the Race-Chairmen and RA officials, so far it looks like Triumph
competitors will be given five star treatment. To Be Clear.... WE are the
FEATURE!

To facilitate accurate planning of open space in the ALL TRIUMPH PADDOCK I
have asked ALL TRIUMPH COMPETITORS to send me the dimensions of
their paddock space needs. (dimensions of rig, canopies, tent, RV)
If you have not contacted me with this info please do so now. Email
jason at multivintage.com  with the requested info.

Opinions and Feedback and important paddock concepts thus far:
1) The Lester building / garages will work great for car prep/show for the
entire weekend.
2) The garages are not secure or private (keep that in mind)
3) Your rig and trailer or RV etc. will NOT be right next to you garage
spot and may be a short walk from your spot. I will try to get you as close
as I can. but understand that your paddock spot (for your tow rig and
trailer) will not be at an arms length from your garage spot. (please be
advised and plan accordingly)
4) Tech will happen in our Triumph Paddock area.
5) RV hookup power is not technically available in our designated area.
6) If you want power, rent a garage spot.(period)
7) If you want power at you RV / rig / paddock spot plan on paying lots of
money to get it or BRING a GENERATOR.
8) I have been asked "Can I run a cord from my garage spot to my Rig and
tent or RV? Answer: don't count on it.
9) If You must have RV power because of any personal/ medical issues...
Contact me immediately! Jason @ (312)208-5227
10) If you need anything special, now is the time to ask for it! Contact
Jason @ (312)208-5227
11) If you know anyone that is not on the FOT list or that does not keep up
with our emails; Please forward this info to them and urge them to contact
me with any concerns and the requested details.
12)  If I have forgotten anything or not mentioned something that you would
like to see as part of the paddock experience for this event, I AM HERE FOR
YOU to see what we can do! call Jason @ (312)208-5227 or email
jason at multivintage.com
13) This is going to be totally awesome. The 2013 Kastner Cup at Road
America is shaping up to be the greatest Triumph Race in the history of
motorsport.

 Thanks!
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
Planing Committee/Paddock Master
2013 Kastner Cup at Road America


From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Mon Apr 29 18:52:39 2013
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:52:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] crank float
Message-ID: <EFABE3BFD7E64F6DA302E7ADB316E254@hpd530>

Hi Gang, I'm putting my TR6 engine together and had a question about the
crankshaft thrust bearings.
I know Cas had an article in one of his books about using a Toyota setup. I
was talking to Dave at TRF and he mentioned pinning the thrust brearings.
Anybody done this?
I was thinking about setting my block in my drill press (it's a Powermatic 20
inch and will handle it) and drilling two holes in the back of the block,
where the thrust washers (bearings) are fitted. Then install two 3/32 roll
pins to retain the bearings.
The drill press would keep things level and straight. I already drilled two
holes in an old thrust bearing and plan to use it as a template.
I've never had any problems but hear about the thrust bearings falling out. It
seems that if the clearances are right, this wouldn't happen.
Any thoughts?
Thanks, Bill


From sjanzen at me.com  Mon Apr 29 18:58:29 2013
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:58:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mallory mechanical advance springs
Message-ID: <D53F4E1A-70F5-4C09-9878-ACA08FC986C8@me.com>

before I go spring for a set of these little guys to replace the ones I know I
have but can't find, does anyone have some for a Mallory distributor they no
longer use?
They are color-coded for different spring force/ advance rates.

for the GT6 . . . Summit wants 441 for the whole set - make me an offer I
can't refuse!

Scott


From tarch at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr 29 16:39:29 2013
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:39:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] The Mitty,  ATLANTA
Message-ID: <001001ce452a$69d14b30$3d73e190$@bellsouth.net>

FOTers,

The Mitty, last weekend, started with beautiful Wx and ended with the sky
emptying 2 inches of clear juice all over the event. Ole 196 was put in a
class w/ 2 Ginnettas and a Lotus Super 7. The downpour Sunday encouraged
most racers to head home early. This left the one-car class to #196 alone in
the deluge. So we took it! Obviously we have no pride but the experience was
extraordinary. Sheet drainage created3 hydroplaning opportunities; one right
on the uphill after turn 1, another at turn 4 and the third in front of the
tower. Visibility was mostly nil. Both water sheets were thrillers, kinda
like hitting oil slicks. But, unlike oil, the tires will catch again.

The car did, however, earn a legitimate 2nd place in the Enduro. What that
old car lacks in speed and grace, it still tries to compensate with steady
determination. In the eye of the fire breathing racer, this ain't very
glamorous. But for this old man, it works just fine.

We also picked up a 3rd place in the HSR International American Challenge.
Did you know that a GT-40 will pop your ears when it flies by at full song?

The only other big Triumph at the event was Randy Williams' refined TR-3. It
was suffering from  head gasket issues and didn't finish the weekend. What a
truly exquisite machine!

The Spitfires were out  in force and running very fast. Leigh and Quinn
Derby and Jake Kimbrough put on a fine show.

The drive home in the rain with the top down on Interstate 85 was, by
several magnitudes, more challenging than any of the races.

Richard Taylor, TR-4 #196


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Apr 30 08:27:09 2013
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:27:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] crank float
References: <EFABE3BFD7E64F6DA302E7ADB316E254@hpd530>
Message-ID: <F115AED70E0C4C61A9D10C30FF13DC4F@Charly>

Pinning the thrust washer is a good idea, but don't use steel pins, you 
should use brass pins.If something should happen. at least you won't be 
running the crankshaft on the steel.
A better fix is to machine the main cap to accept an additional thrust 
washer and then you'll have twice the surface area for the thrust. Instead 
of pins you could use brass screws.
Check out the link below.


http://www.customthrustwashers.com/

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:52 PM
Subject: [Fot] crank float


> Hi Gang, I'm putting my TR6 engine together and had a question about the
> crankshaft thrust bearings.
> I know Cas had an article in one of his books about using a Toyota setup. 
> I
> was talking to Dave at TRF and he mentioned pinning the thrust brearings.
> Anybody done this?
> I was thinking about setting my block in my drill press (it's a Powermatic 
> 20
> inch and will handle it) and drilling two holes in the back of the block,
> where the thrust washers (bearings) are fitted. Then install two 3/32 roll
> pins to retain the bearings.
> The drill press would keep things level and straight. I already drilled 
> two
> holes in an old thrust bearing and plan to use it as a template.
> I've never had any problems but hear about the thrust bearings falling 
> out. It
> seems that if the clearances are right, this wouldn't happen.
> Any thoughts?
> Thanks, Bill
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From mnewman at embarqmail.com  Tue Apr 30 15:48:42 2013
From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman )
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:48:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Lemans/Sebring Spitfires
Message-ID: <1604883989.2847178.1367358522645.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com>

Amici:
I have recently purchased a replica of one of the 1964/65 Triumph Spitfire Works effort cars that raced at Sebring and Lemans. The car was purchased from Tim Slater in West Palm Beach, Florida. Tim has owned the car twice and his godfather was Peter Bolton, one of the Works drivers during the era. I will be racing SCCA Vintage using the #65, Bolton's number. I plan on finding more history on the car and may need the help of the listers in the future. Currently, I am in need of some pictutes of the original Works Spitfires that show the graphics "Triumph Spitfire" on the front wings. I need enough clarity in order to determine the proper font and scaling to get this graphic reproduced locally for installation on my new purchase.
By the way, the car is BRG with a Rick Cline built 1300cc engine. The roof is from a GT6 instead of the original fiberglass, but the quality of the welding and restoration/reproduction is teriffic.
Any pictures you may have will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Bill Newman #44 GT6 & 1965 Spitfire