From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Sep 1 06:22:03 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 08:22:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential References: Message-ID: Hi Gang, I sure do enjoy the Rotary lift I installed a couple months ago; press a button and the car goes up. Great! I got it used from a retiring guy I knew. Paid $950 for the lift, but much more for the 6" floor of concrete to set it on! I'm getting too old to roll around on the floor. I'm headed for the Glen next week. Who else is going? Enjoy the weekend. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: "triumph friends" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential > Well I think I reached a new high level of frustration in Triumphing > Today. > Surely there are tools out there to make this a quick and easy job....but > yet again tools I don't have. > I have done a lot of hard and frustrating jobs on these cars over the > years. > But the rear bushing removal and install on a Spit/GT6 diff.has to be one > of the most difficult tasks yet. > Blisters on my hands, 2 ruined hardened sockets, two stripped threaded > rods,no less than 8 heavy washers (2 hardened) destroyed, and two nuts > mangled. > And 1 Nut drenched in sweat with a pounding headache. > > On the plus side, my fresh "home made" locked differential is done and > will > go in the car tonight. > All this for a couple hours of track time at Road America this weekend. > Remind me again why it's so rewarding to be your own mechanic. > Perhaps I'm in the minority of idiots. > If you were going golfing, can you imagine telling your golfing buddies > that you had spent the night before a round of 18 holes....laying on the > floor of your garage floor covered in grease and sweat on the verge of > tears for more hours than you care to count....fixing your 9 iron? > Craziness. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Sep 1 07:32:02 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential Message-ID: <82f69.4d5b731d.3d736852@aol.com> In a message dated 09/01/2012 7:22:21 AM Central Daylight Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > Hi Gang, I sure do enjoy the Rotary lift I installed a couple months ago; > > press a button and the car goes up. Great! I got it used from a retiring > guy > I knew. Paid $950 for the lift, but much more for the 6" floor of concrete > > to set it on! I'm getting too old to roll around on the floor. > I'm headed for the Glen next week. Who else is going? > Enjoy the weekend. > Amen to having a lift available to you. We've had ours for about 15 years now, and I put the cars on the lift...even to wax them. Lifts are great. I don't sell engineering, but a four inch (or less +/-) concrete floor might not have to be an issue. I believe you can address such an issue by diamond saw cutting a pair of 24"x24" holes in your existing floor where the anchor bolts need to go, and then digging out a particularly deep pocket 24-30" deep, and using extra long anchor bolts. That's what we did (although I would not be surprised if our floor was not 6" to begin with). I think the lift manufacturer give specific directions as to what will work with their unit. Ours has a 9,000 pound capacity, and we followed their instructions. Again, no engineer, but I think that is far superior to drilling anchor bolts into a 6" concrete floor. The Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team (in all its Glory) will be at the Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival at Road America. We've never missed one. We had raced the September Watkins Glen event for about eighteen years in a row, and we miss not racing there now. Wismer has family right across the border in PA. But when the two events ended up on the same week end to accommodate the SCCA Nationals at Road America, we had to opt'd for our 'home track'. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Sep 1 07:52:11 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential Message-ID: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Sep 1 08:13:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 16:13:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential In-Reply-To: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> References: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> Message-ID: <000201cd884c$0aab1a50$20014ef0$@com> As Bill said: The safest thing would be to ask the lift manufacturer what he recommends for concrete type, if it should be reinforced, which type of anchor bolts. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com Gesendet: Samstag, 1. September 2012 15:52 An: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Sat Sep 1 08:43:10 2012 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 10:43:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lift, was Damn Differential Message-ID: For those of us without the ceiling height for a 2 or 4 post lift, consider a low rise tire changing type lift instead. I bought an old Rotary PAL7 from a local tire store and it's been great in my garage with 8 ft ceiling. It sits on any level floor without having to be attached, and it lifts the car 24-30 inches off the ground. Since this particular model has an "H" configuration to the lifting base, it pretty much sits right under the frame of the Triumphs and you can reach just about everything from underneath. Of course you have to lie on the floor but at least you can get to stuff. Also, since it seems that 90% of what I do involves the brakes and suspension, it's especially helpful that it lifts the frame and I can take all 4 wheels off without having to use any other equipment or jacks. If I had a choice between this and a regular 4 post lift (with the rails), I'm not sure which I would prefer. I suspect the 2 post setup that lifts the frame is the best of all worlds, but it's not an option for me. Don On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 10:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: > As Bill said: > The safest thing would be to ask the lift manufacturer what he recommends > for concrete type, if it should be reinforced, which type of anchor bolts. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com > Gesendet: Samstag, 1. September 2012 15:52 > An: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; jason at multivintage.com; > fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential > > Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... > > It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms > that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the > four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four > vice two bearing points. > > Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" > (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead > of two. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Sep 1 09:20:05 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:20:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential References: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi again. My lift is a two post above ground unit. Rotary, the mfgr, said 5 inches of concrete minimum. My old cement floor was poured in '59, mixed by hand. 4 inches deep. They did a good job for the time, but it was poured in sections, which shifted a bit, especially where the tree root pushed it up. The tree is gone now. I thought about putting in two 4' square sections to mount it on, but decided to bite the bullet and go a little bigger. By the time it was done it was 28' x 28'! 6 inches of fiberglass reinforced, smooth, level, gorgeous concrete. The concrete guys did a great job. It was about $2300 for the concrete and about that much more for the pour. Worth every cent. Enjoy the weekend. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net ; jason at multivintage.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Sep 1 11:15:28 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, Message-ID: <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a > chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. > These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way > that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. > > Never be beaten by equipment From kaskas at cox.net Sat Sep 1 12:10:38 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:10:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, , <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. These are a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC nd RA. In my famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I can scan a page and send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my new revised upgraded Handbook that I plan to have available as a download within a couple months.. Never be beaten by equipment Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 From: cartravel at pobox.com To: kaskas at cox.net CC: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. Never be beaten by equipment From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Sep 1 12:38:16 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:38:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com> <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: I will have to buy your book and try one of the suggested needles. I'm doing much better this race weekend with the needles I just put in. Great power when fully in the throttle through to 6500 rpm but could be better when i have to let off and modulating the throttle through a corner. Plugs are a nice tab color after a good session Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-01, at 2:13 PM, "Kas Kastner" wrote: > You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. These are > a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC nd RA. In my > famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I can scan a page and > send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my new revised upgraded > Handbook that I plan to have available as a download within a couple months.. > > Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: kaskas at cox.net > CC: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > > > > > > > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can > compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book > should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which > I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want > it to be like it would have been if not for the emission > requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas > did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and > put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to > the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to > stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to > switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye > Triumphs). > > > > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner > wrote: > > > > > > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there > is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the > 1.5" carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to > compare. By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an > S.U. needle. > > > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Sep 1 13:18:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 14:18:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, , <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: <50425F81.7040602@pobox.com> Thanks for that tip. I used RC and RB needles in my TR3 race car. I'm curious to see how all these needles compare. I need to get a wideband O2 gauge. This will not happen overnight, so I can probably wait for the new book. On 9/1/2012 1:10 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. > These are a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC > nd RA. In my famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I > can scan a page and send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my > new revised upgraded *Handbook* that I plan to have available a > download within a couple months.. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: kaskas at cox.net > CC: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can > compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should > give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want > to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be > like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or > less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've > taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam > (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running > the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock > appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make > these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there > is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" > carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. > By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. > > Never be beaten by equipment From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Sep 1 13:28:06 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:28:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: Strombergs operate with a deeper jet level than we're used to with SUs. Early TR6 carbs have a jet level of .080 below the bridge. Late TR6 carbs use a jet level of .125 below the bridge. You should first drop the jets to .125 for increased richness. Then try the XKE B1E needle. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Kas Kastner" Cc: "fot" Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare > it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a > starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up > but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would > have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the > 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the > compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I > have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed > needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, > but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable > (see Buckeye Triumphs). > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a >> chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. >> These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way >> that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From tomstrange1300 at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 07:04:55 2012 From: tomstrange1300 at gmail.com (tom strange) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 08:04:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Kas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry for my tardiness, but all the same wishes from me. Kas, I hope you had a great day, and many more to come. Also from me is a big thanks for all the help you have been to all of us. Tom On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > Kas, > > Wishing you the best on your birthday. > Thank you for giving so much of yourself to this fine group. > > In appreciation, > > Allen > > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tomstrange1300 at gmail.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Sep 4 04:07:30 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:07:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock Message-ID: Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime Rock, two overall wins! Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. Way to go, guys! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From tomstrange1300 at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 05:54:43 2012 From: tomstrange1300 at gmail.com (tom strange) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:54:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest Message-ID: Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Sep 4 07:51:42 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 09:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi - There was a great turnout of Triumphs at Lime Rock this weekend!! I chatted with the current owner of the Bill Ames Ambro and urged him to follow up with an interest in FOT. We'll see how that pans out. But the Kent Bain spitfire was fast on SAT, Pual King was there in the GT6, there was a TR4, several other Spitfires... I'll try to summarize tonite when I have a chance to look at the program. But I think it was the most Triumphs I've seen raced at that event in quite some time, if not ever. Linda asked what I'd need to do to run with those guys... The DOOR opens. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Sep 4 10:52:38 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:52:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks to the list! Message-ID: I just wanted to say thanks to the participants in the FOT for all of the advice on my recent front suspension woes, especially to Christian Marx, Ed Barnard, Joe Alexander, Irv Korey and Dennis Delap. In case you didn't follow it, at the last race I broke a right front upright / vertical link which almost sent me into the wall. In discussing proper replacement parts, Christian mentioned that the TR-6 (really TR-4a through TR-6) vertical link and trunnion assembly is much beefier than the TR-4 3 degree caster items I had been running. Ed, Joe, Irv and Dennis (and Good Parts) all supplied me with pieces to get my car back together for Road America this coming weekend. I couldn't have done it without the advice from many on the list, and I'm very grateful for the help and support. I've taken pictures and will be putting a web page together on the TR-4a / 5 / 250 / 6 front suspension installation onto a TR-4 - this should apply to TR-3's as well. This is a very worthwhile upgrade since it strengthens the front suspension. Anything that keeps the wheels pointed in the right direction is a good thing. Anyway, just wanted to give kudos to the list. Cheers, Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Sep 4 10:53:02 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll be there! Tony Drews At 06:54 AM 9/4/2012, tom strange wrote: >Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 4 11:55:34 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:55:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Thanks to the list! In-Reply-To: <20120904173919.5123D2D075D@autox.team.net> References: <20120904173919.5123D2D075D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <002b01cd8ac6$7dcfcae0$796f60a0$@com> Tony says: " Anything that keeps the wheels pointed in the right direction is a good thing." I would say: Anything that keeps the wheels on the car is a good thing. Anything else is less important :-) Cheers Chris From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Sep 4 12:24:59 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII Message-ID: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> Amici... This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below looks. We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did quit one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. Bill Dentinger From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Sep 4 13:55:35 2012 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:55:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII In-Reply-To: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> Message-ID: See you guys there. Jason and I will be competing for Spectator of the Event. On 9/4/12 1:24 PM, "BillDentin at aol.com" wrote: Amici... This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below looks. We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did quit one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3429615335_311394808] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Sep 4 14:48:39 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:48:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great to hear, congrats on the day gents! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-04, at 6:43 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime > Rock, two overall wins! > > Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on > the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy > traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. > > Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting > to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. > > Way to go, guys! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 4 16:45:44 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1346798744.30016.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mike asked me to be chief steward this weekend so please play nice! I hate yelling at people :-) Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: tom strange >To: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:54 AM >Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest > >Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net From jhouathome at aol.com Tue Sep 4 17:53:51 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:53:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <633F5757-2259-45F5-9420-A45F3A8F3200@aol.com> I will, trying one more time to get the Kellison/TR4 to run. We'll be at our usual spot along the main road across from the t-shirt store! John Houlton Sent from my iPod On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:54 AM, tom strange wrote: > Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue Sep 4 18:03:19 2012 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:03:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: <1346798744.30016.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1346798744.30016.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <485BB277-07B6-49D5-8EA4-FDA385398B95@charter.net> Gary I have never heard you yell at anyone. On Sep 4, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: > Mike asked me to be chief steward this weekend so please play nice! I hate yelling at people :-) > Gary Schneider > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: tom strange >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:54 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest >> >> Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From starr001 at umn.edu Tue Sep 4 18:45:56 2012 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:45:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7AC2938C-7151-4F6D-9A99-0C3C69C10A69@umn.edu> I will be there in #83 Morgan Plus 4. Pat Starr On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:54 AM, tom strange wrote: > Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu From LimeyV8 at aol.com Wed Sep 5 10:56:24 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Message-ID: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Sep 5 12:04:45 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:04:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold Message-ID: <001f01cd8b90$eec63110$cc529330$@aero> I am looking for a dual 1.25 inch SU manifold for a 1296 engine. Anybody have one they want to sell? I just need the manifold but will take a full set of carbs if the price is right. Thanx Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero From kkjjk at aol.com Wed Sep 5 13:06:38 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? In-Reply-To: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> References: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF59B0B6054466-136C-12BCE@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> Canley Classics has a very good rotoflex conversion kit available. It is for road going cars, though, not racing. I have put them in two GT6's , a 70 + and 72 mkIII with very good results-- Go to canleyclassics.com-- Jay D -----Original Message----- From: LimeyV8 To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:27 pm Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Sep 5 14:18:46 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:18:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? In-Reply-To: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Message-ID: <20120905201847.9OPO1.260132.root@cdptpa-web20-z02> Maybe yes on the CV joints and definitely you can install Datsun 240Z-280Z axles. Datsun Z car axles are an easy conversion although not CV joints. A CV joint conversion for the Datsun 510 is available. Since 510 axles are similar to Z car axles then one might assume the 510 CV joint conversion would fit a GT6.....maybe! Bob ---- LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: > Greetings Amici > > Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles > on a 69 GT6+? > > Thanks > Jack Mc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 5 14:26:51 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold In-Reply-To: <001f01cd8b90$eec63110$cc529330$@aero> References: <001f01cd8b90$eec63110$cc529330$@aero> Message-ID: <1346876811.7327.YahooMailNeo@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check with Ted at TSI. I bought mine from him. ________________________________ From: Robert MacKenzie To: 'FOT List' Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold I am looking for a dual 1.25 inch SU manifold for a 1296 engine. Anybody have one they want to sell? I just need the manifold but will take a full set of carbs if the price is right. Thanx Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From mnewman at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 5 14:54:41 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? In-Reply-To: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Message-ID: <1135691376.954096.1346878481372.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Mine came from Rick Cline,they have a u-joint on each end. Canley Classics also makes them with a CV joint on the outboard end. Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: LimeyV8 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 5 16:32:53 2012 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:32:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Help! Message-ID: I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It doesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Sep 5 18:36:57 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:36:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Public service announcement - Silverstone owners Message-ID: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> For anybody running the original Triumph Silverstone wheels, I came across a guy at the Lime Rock swap meet that went to the trouble and expense to have the lug nuts reproduced. They are beautiful. He made 10 sets each in 3/8ths (Spitfire) and 7/16ths (Big TR) studs. He is selling 9 sets at his cost, not cheap, but you could never manufacture 16 wheel lugs with washers for $182. He also had some original Nokof screw on spinners, ready to get rechromed. I had never seen a set for sale before. Email me off list for the guy's contact info. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From billdentin at aol.com Wed Sep 5 18:40:39 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF59DF5F36C304-C94-1557E@webmail-m146.sysops.aol.com> I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It oesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. Boy! That last part is going to be tough. Bill (damdinger) From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Sep 5 19:01:07 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:01:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69C26062-0986-4F6E-84CD-EB04392ED1F5@aol.com> Are they the same as a spitfire? I think I have one or two. Chris On Sep 5, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Greg Petrolati wrote: > I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It > doesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tomstrange1300 at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 07:21:04 2012 From: tomstrange1300 at gmail.com (tom strange) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:21:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII In-Reply-To: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> References: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> Message-ID: bummer!!! I'll see you over the weekend ... still working on the car, but may have to compete for that primo spectator spot ... On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM, wrote: > Amici... > > This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob > Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to > bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below > looks. > We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. > Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did > quit > one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. > > So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd > Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII > edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tomstrange1300 at gmail.com From list at mackenzie.aero Fri Sep 7 10:44:32 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold Message-ID: <000d01cd8d18$0ef15180$2cd3f480$@aero> I found what I needed. Thanx FOT Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero From grmtim at aol.com Sat Sep 8 14:22:32 2012 From: grmtim at aol.com (Timothy Suddard) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF5C16CF373DF6-1C80-39AFB@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> Thanks, it was good seeing my fellow Triumph fans and what a great weekend. That Healey drove a tough race. We'll have a full report in the next issue of Classic Motorsports. Tim Suddard -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2012 6:35 am Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime Rock, two overall wins! Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. Way to go, guys! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com From grmtim at aol.com Sat Sep 8 14:38:41 2012 From: grmtim at aol.com (Timothy Suddard) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD In-Reply-To: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF5C19113E4633-1C80-39B92@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. -----Original Message----- From: chris crisenbery To: fot Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 I didn't see if that included any buyers premiums or not. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Sep 8 15:12:25 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 17:12:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD In-Reply-To: <8CF5C19113E4633-1C80-39B92@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> References: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CF5C19113E4633-1C80-39B92@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Go TR3's! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Timothy Suddard wrote: > The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing > my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how > much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the > GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually > and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring > and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type > experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to > know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are > pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did > most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chris crisenbery > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD > > > Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 > > I didn't see if that included any buyers > premiums or not. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Sun Sep 9 16:13:23 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 15:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts needed Message-ID: <1347228803.60819.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear invaluable Triumph friends, Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. In mourning.... Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Sep 9 17:32:57 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 19:32:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts needed In-Reply-To: <1347228803.60819.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1347228803.60819.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B5D07B6-7AD2-4CA3-8A03-2B677B2BA448@gdhs.com> You might give Vernon Brannon, Charlotte, a call. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Guy Morter wrote: > Dear invaluable Triumph friends, > Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. > In mourning.... > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Mon Sep 10 13:14:09 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:14:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Part need Message-ID: All, I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am missing a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they are the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph # 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater amount of bend in it. If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from you for a fair price! Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 tr4 at wi.rr.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Mon Sep 10 16:03:05 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:03:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need Message-ID: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Thanks all, Irv has one in his garage so I am good now! How does one lose a part like this anyway???? Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Yott Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 2:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Part need All, I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am missing a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they are the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph # 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater amount of bend in it. If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from you for a fair price! Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 16:07:30 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:07:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: Hope you didn't bolt it on somewhere else(:-)! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Yott" To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need > Thanks all, > Irv has one in his garage so I am good now! > > How does one lose a part like this anyway???? > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 2:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Part need > > All, > > I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am > missing > a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is > $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! > > What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they > are > the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph > # > 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater > amount > of bend in it. > > If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from > you for a fair price! > > Thanks much > > Steve Yott > 262-997-0701 > tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Sep 10 16:13:29 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:13:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> We went racing this past weekend at the VARA Oktoberfest, @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park in the sweltering San Joaquin Valley. My wife's Formula V performed flawlessly as did our Spitfire which our son in law drove in his very first race. He did very well, now just has to learn how to RACE... I attempted to run our GT6, but after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded quite spectacularly. 7000 RPM, good oil pressure, and then: loud noise, cockpit fills with smoke/steam, I shut off master electrical and pull off track. Still smoking so pull fire handle and bail out, trotting off to a safe distance. Fortunately the fire bottle worked, and the thing didn't totally burn to the ground. Just a small paint-ruining oil fire, caused by engine oil exiting a large hole blasted in the side of the block. This after a "complete race rebuild" a few months ago. We got ONE good race weekend out of it, next time out a rocker arm welded itself to the rocker shaft because of insufficient oiling. Engine builder didn't install set screw to keep rocker shaft lined up with oil passage in rocker pedestal. Got it all back together, (my dime & labor...) and now this. Sheesh! Don't quite know what we'll do now... Ed From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 16:21:33 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:21:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need In-Reply-To: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: 1) by putting it in a really special place so you can find it when you need it 2) by needing it now 3) by failing to buy another one so that the original shows up Take your choice. They all seem to work for me. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Sep 10, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Steve Yott wrote: > How does one lose a part like this anyway???? > > Steve Yott From jason at multivintage.com Mon Sep 10 17:15:19 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Edward Dunn wrote "after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded" "Don't quite know what we'll do now..." Ed, That is terrible news. I am so sorry to here you have had such a tough time with your GT6. I have been surprised to here all the disappointing news about these motors lately. We have had lots of things go Kablamo in these cars over the years but the 1998cc motors have always been very reliable. I'm not sure what I can do to keep you hanging in there... but am happy to share any info you might need. Sad and Sorry, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 10 18:14:26 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:14:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need In-Reply-To: References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <504E8262.20609@bradakis.com> >> How does one lose a part like this anyway???? >> I just put it on a shelf in my garage. mjb. From grmtim at aol.com Mon Sep 10 18:21:30 2012 From: grmtim at aol.com (Timothy Suddard) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD In-Reply-To: <1133d.848daf5.3d7d0baf@aol.com> References: <1133d.848daf5.3d7d0baf@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5DCA86503651-2C4-455D0@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> I haven't found out yet who got it. Been too busy racing the TR3. I will find out though. -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve To: grmtim ; fot Sent: Sat, Sep 8, 2012 4:59 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD So did it go to one of us or will it be stuffed in a dusty museum garage somewhere? Or are you at liberty to say?? In a message dated 9/8/2012 1:43:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, grmtim at aol.com writes: The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. -----Original Message----- From: chris crisenbery To: fot Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 I didn't see if that included any buyers premiums or not. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 06:56:29 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR3 parts needed Message-ID: <1347368189.89346.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all that offered help. I will be traveling for the next few days and will reply to all then. Guy Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Sun, 9/9/12, Guy Morter wrote: > From: Guy Morter > Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts needed > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 9, 2012, 10:13 PM > Dear invaluable Triumph friends, > Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put > me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis > and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on > the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner > as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. > In mourning.... > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Sep 11 09:04:57 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <1347375897.85130.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> dang Edward... for a minute I thought one of my posts had re-emerged with the saga of a blown up engine in a GT6.... then I realized I've never had to evacuate the fire bottle system.. bummer.... I feel your pain... 2 years in a row April 2011 and April 2012 (The Mitty) I experienced the same catastrophe .... I won't be racing vintage in April 2013... that I know of... takes the giggle out of the effort... we all know... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Edward Dunn To: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, September 10, 2012 5:16:13 PM Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! We went racing this past weekend at the VARA Oktoberfest, @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park in the sweltering San Joaquin Valley. My wife's Formula V performed flawlessly as did our Spitfire which our son in law drove in his very first race. He did very well, now just has to learn how to RACE... I attempted to run our GT6, but after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded quite spectacularly. 7000 RPM, good oil pressure, and then: loud noise, cockpit fills with smoke/steam, I shut off master electrical and pull off track. Still smoking so pull fire handle and bail out, trotting off to a safe distance. Fortunately the fire bottle worked, and the thing didn't totally burn to the ground. Just a small paint-ruining oil fire, caused by engine oil exiting a large hole blasted in the side of the block. This after a "complete race rebuild" a few months ago. We got ONE good race weekend out of it, next time out a rocker arm welded itself to the rocker shaft because of insufficient oiling. Engine builder didn't install set screw to keep rocker shaft lined up with oil passage in rocker pedestal. Got it all back together, (my dime & labor...) and now this. Sheesh! Don't quite know what we'll do now... Ed _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rblake36 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 09:08:17 2012 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Message-ID: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 09:23:35 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:23:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 09:33:28 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Sorry to hear of these MECHANICAL MALADIES. BTW, it turned out that Jerry Barker's fuel supplies in his RV/Hauler trailer had lines switched from his genset to the race gas by an RV service center. He was running street gas in his Spitfire and that caused his failures at the Mitty. For myself, I have installed a bone stock TR4 engine in the AMBRO and hope to run it midpack and reliably next season. Alexander Racing isnt in a position to deal with two race engines, and we hope to return to the track in 2013 with maximum track time at the lowest expense, with the TR4 and the AMBRO. I sometimes think we ask too much of this old equipment.....especially as amateurs who do most of the work ourselves. Money is likely well spent on the suspension.....all that HP is no good if you cant go around the corners. I must be getting old. But I dont want to tow to Mosport and Road America and then return home with tortured metal. Something to think about. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:11 am Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Sep 11 09:38:07 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:38:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> Message-ID: We use JE pistons and rings with a clearance of 2.5 thou. Which I think is about 1/2 of a thou. Less than Chris uses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 09:49:40 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> Message-ID: <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> 2.5 is not enough. As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. Glen -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'MadMarx' ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We use JE pistons and rings with a clearance of 2.5 thou. Which I think is about 1/2 of a thou. Less than Chris uses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Sep 11 10:33:58 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:33:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Weber Carb fuel overflow Message-ID: <85AB1155-5020-4EFF-91FD-F1C21161D512@me.com> My 40DCOE weber carbs drizzle a little fuel out the overflow and into the filters on hard, prolonged turns. I know this because i see the residue on the heat shield from where it drips though the filter, and occasionally I get a whiff of gas. Floats are set below the "stock" settings, but I assume those settings are for street cars anyway, and the settings vary depending on the application of carbs to car model. Many people seem to have the same issue, and the attitude is "that's normal". Others don't seem to have any sloshing out. Raw fuel leaking out somewhere above the exhaust never seems like a good idea, even with the heat shield in between! So, I guess the question is, should I adjust the floats down even further, or is there another correction for this? And if the answer is float adjustment, should this impact the selection of the air corrector jet and the emulsion tube, and how? From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 11:16:05 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> Message-ID: <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Moore To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of piston skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it would seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, there may not be many engines running by end of season! I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are scaring the hell out of me! Mike Moore 62 TR4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 2.5 is not enough. As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. Glen From ponobill at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 11:29:19 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <311E1507-C7B6-48D8-9B67-4DE026390ED5@bnj.com> Not to worry Mike, start off with the simple investment in Kas' books and READ THEM. It takes a lot less time than building an engine again. If you do that and follow the suggestions you'll have an engine that lasts just fine. I pound the heck out of my engines and even when it was just my ham-handed efforts they generally lasted for years. Really, there's just a few big rules to follow: Adequate piston clearance Adequate guide clearance Keep an eye on your cam followers and the entire valve train--including springs Don't get too carried away with compression If you don't have a steel crank and good rods, keep the RPMs below 5500 Don't overheat the car On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:16 AM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 12:15:13 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In-Reply-To: <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E608570AFAA-224C-B3280@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> FOT REGALIA: STICKERS FLAGS SHIRTS MEDALLIONS ETC. John Hasty, et. al. I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to do any funding. We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'Joe Alexander' ; rblake36 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:49 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I know how it feels. Last year we went all the way up to Mosport from Charlotte only to brake a rod in the 2nd practice session.....certainly something to be avoided. Joe....are there any FOT stickers left? With the re-do of both the right and left sides of my car needed after Mid Ohio, I have lost the ones I had. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 12:16:24 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:16:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greg, Piers told me about the excitement. What a shock that must have been, and at a pretty fast part of the track, too (well before the turn-in point for turn 7, I hope? Kinda 100 mph-ish there...) Regarding the piston scuffing issue, I'm betting you've already got inadequate coolant flow ruled out. The two possibilities that come to mind are: 1) an intake air leak only on #4 intake tract and 2) a bent rod. 1) Have you tried viewing temperatures at different points on the header and surface of the engine block and head using an infrared thermometer? A look at the exhaust header temp for each individual branch ought to tell you if one cylinder is running leaner than the others. If all four pipes are indicating similar temperatures I'd suspect oiling or a clearance issue. I'm assuming you're doing plug cuts in the absence of an EGT gauge and probe or exhaust gas analyzer. How are you performing your plug cuts? I have found that the results are not clear if I don't put in a new plug at the very start of a hard acceleration pull, with next to no idle time and no part-load driving time. 2) If the connecting rod is bent, the #4 piston could be cocked (as seen from the side of the engine). If so, the scuffing would be on a side where the wrist pin hole is. If you're going to pull the piston and rod it's easy enough to check the rod for trueness. Is it possible to install a rod backwards, causing the small end to force the piston against the front or rear of the bore? That might also exert asymmetric pressure on the big end rod bearing -- how does the bearing look? Is the scuffing at 90 degrees to that, on the thrust side? If so, one possibility is lack of oil. It may be that somehow oil isn't getting thrown up to the bottom of the piston in #4 only, causing it to run hotter. You could bore a couple of tiny lubrication holes below the lowest movement limit of the oil ring, where oil could get to the skirt, but not having an engine open at the moment, I can't visualize how you might pressure-feed this. Is the overbore you mentioned equivalent to the piston-to-cylinder wall clearances? Duncan Texas 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Robert Blake wrote: > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that > we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco > pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This > resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On > his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture > all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in > the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, > and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from > within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was > scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never > went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The > hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a > decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is > a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Sep 11 12:27:50 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING Message-ID: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily > sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Tue Sep 11 12:35:47 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:35:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In-Reply-To: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> References: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39EE@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Pay pal makes it easy. Edward Dunn Quality Fuel Trailer & Tank, Inc. 1611 S. Rancho Santa Fe Road, Suite C San Marcos, CA 92078 800-509-1904 x.12 Made In America Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:28 AM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily > sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 12:42:44 2012 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:42:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of > piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it > would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 12:50:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:50:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: All maths are right. I run Mahle forged pistons. They are very fragile and light. About 380gr incl rings and wrist pin. They have long skirts Mahle suggested 0.06mm but I didn't dare that. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:42:44 To: fubog1 Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of > piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it > would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 13:17:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] .VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING now TREASURER for 2013 kcup In-Reply-To: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> References: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E6931573DEA-224C-B5F68@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the proposal, Bill, Some things to consider: I am trying back away from some of this stuff. I hate accepting those generous donations....it is frequently the same people, like yourself. All of this takes me a lot of time...likely because I am getting very inefficient at everything I do. And I would like to spend more time on ALEXANDER RACING.....(we may have a fourth ALEXANDER driver involved by next July...that's THREE GENERATIONS). But, if we had a short term 'treasurer' for the 2013 KCUP this would help. This person would collect and disperse the funds and be involved in establishing the budget. This person would also seek sponsors that would like to be involved in what we do. (My own preference is to be free of commercial aspects of the event, but that is not always possible or practical). We have a great chairperson in place (JOHN HOULTON). Kas and I have a pretty good formula for producing the KCUP. It just takes someone who is willing to deal with the details. It's 12 months from now....... :-) Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Sep 11 13:54:44 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank scrapers Message-ID: <1632508354.806484.1347393284172.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Fot, I'm wondering how many Tr4 drivers are running crank scrapers. We are currently developing a crank scraper that will double as a center main stud girdle. CAD drawings are almost finished and I hope to have it fully developed by next spring. jim g From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 14:21:56 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 14:25:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:25:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 14:45:10 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 14:46:49 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:46:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 14:56:27 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:56:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911202319.5DC462D027B@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202319.5DC462D027B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I run about ..006 for my clearance with Wiesco pistons, they are popular in the marine industry and they have the same characteristics...or problems without the clearance..need more room, I also add more clearance to the connecting rod at the crank so that more oil can be delivered,I was told it was an old dragster trick..seems to work. . On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM, wrote: > We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with > or without. > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 > To: > Cc: ; ; ; < > fot at autox.team.net> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be > honed using a torque plate. > They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. > FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as > an added insurance policy against scuffing. > Glen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar > To: fubog1 > Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing < > tr4racing at googlemail.com>; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance > (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged > 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what > my machinist is honing to. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 14:57:01 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 14:58:34 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:58:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I use old liners and enlarge the to 88mm. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Sep 11 15:06:38 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg B ----- Original Message ----- From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, johnstydo at gmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: B fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. B Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) B have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: B I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 15:09:52 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:09:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I used molycote coating on my scuffed wisecos. The Pistons had shrinked and the coating had a thickness of about 0.3mm at maximum. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:06:38 To: fubog1 Cc: ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg B ----- Original Message ----- From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, johnstydo at gmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: B fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. B Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) B have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: B I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Tue Sep 11 15:12:37 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:12:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911204828.8F13E2D0288@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com>, , <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net>, <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net>, <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <20120911204828.8F13E2D0288@autox.team.net> Message-ID: During tests a couple eons ago we did a simular test and found the sleeve was like pushing on the end of a garden hose. (87 mm), only not quite as predictable. it cerrtain turned me into .0045" to .005" clearance guy. The best seal and power I ever had was when I lapped the rings to the sleeve, gave the piston a lot of clearance, and wished it well in the war days to come. As long as that spark plug comes out of the bore after racing with a crusty ring on the edge looking like tiny potato chips you could not make it better. Never be beaten by equipment > To: fubog1 at aol.com; johnstydo at gmail.com > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:46:49 +0000 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > At what bore size? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 > To: ; > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. > The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. > Glen > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tr4racing > To: fubog1 ; johnstydo > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or > without. > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 > To: > Cc: ; ; ; > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed > using a torque plate. > They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. > FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an > added insurance policy against scuffing. > Glen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar > To: fubog1 > Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 > mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, > but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing > to. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 15:29:40 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CF5E7BAFE5A19D-1878-48071@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Well I can only offer advice based on my limited experience with these things, torque plate for best results, at your discretion... Another point to consider may be how close you are holding tolerances. If you are measuring to thousandths, .0005 is no big deal. Of course if the engine doesn't see the far side of 5k often, this is not as critical. Re the piston coating, it seems to be 5-7 tenths per side so you will pick up .001-.0015 in diameter (polymer dynamics HoustonTx). An engine-machinist friend of mine did try coating a set of pistons to make up clearance, can't remember the number, but it was a huge failure. I honestly don't know what the limit is. One of the advantages of having the skirts coated is that you can run less clearance, but I still shoot for at least .004. Glen -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky To: fubog1 Cc: fot ; tr4racing ; johnstydo Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, johnstydo at gmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 18:24:58 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911210326.E51552D0214@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911210326.E51552D0214@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF5E942C95599F-224C-BACD4@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> we use old OEM liners and bore to size with a fixture replicated from John Deere production fixtures. OEM material is very good and equipment for boring and honing is state of the art. our torque plate is for sale. we defer to Glen's methods, however, as we suspect he has control over the variables and has great credibility. but we cant afford to send our engines to Glen.....or we would. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:06 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I use old liners and enlarge the to 88mm. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billdentin at aol.com Tue Sep 11 18:37:10 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E942C95599F-224C-BACD4@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911210326.E51552D0214@autox.team.net> <8CF5E942C95599F-224C-BACD4@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E95E0D75EEB-B94-4C23C@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com> <<< we use old OEM liners and bore to size with a fixture replicated from John eere production fixtures. OEM material is very good and equipment for boring and honing is state of the rt. our torque plate is for sale. we defer to Glen's methods, however, as we suspect he has control over the ariables and has great credibility. but we cant afford to send our engines to Glen.....or we would. >>> We too have a stash of original sleeves that we dress for fresh engines. They are hard as all get out, and much better than what we have seen available new. Also...you can look for Pink Pigs flying any day when we disagree with that 'Bearded Wonder' down in Florida. Hi Glen! Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 02:14:58 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:14:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <33A7972ABC0A40B882E91626E205221A@your89d26e0447> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <33A7972ABC0A40B882E91626E205221A@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <000301cd90be$b4156760$1c403620$@com> I would like to show you the pistons: Left Wiseco, right Mahle: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-OfylAQLY4J4/UFBD1bKreQI/AAAAAAAABaU/_XKnb Z5jCTw/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00003.JPG https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8ZCKC6pHEaI/UFBD-3a9-pI/AAAAAAAABac/2XydJ 0yWDwE/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00002.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-K1GqMXqR-4c/UFBEJcMbSdI/AAAAAAAABak/_I2JA pwohAs/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00004.JPG Interesting is, that the bigger shaped piston is much lighter. Cheers Chris From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Sep 12 04:25:17 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:25:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4721DAF6C936489BBC48406ACE097015@TRIUMPH.local> Scuffing is caused by piston expansion. Piston expansion is caused by heat. If you are running adequate piston to liner clearance and you are still getting excessive scuffing only on #4, perhaps the back of your block is not getting adequate flow of coolant. If the coolant at the back of the block does not circulate adequately, hot spots form, allowing the coolant around #4 will reach it's boiling point. Once the liner creates enough heat for the coolant to start vaporizing (boiling), a jacket of air bubbles is formed around the liner, further impeding the coolant from doing it's job. That jug gets heated more that the others, your piston expands more, and scuffing occurs. Next time you are prepping a block for a build, and are at the step of rinsing the block with copious amounts of water, try this. Slide all four liners in the block, and set in place whatever head gasket you are using, a used head gasket is fine for this purpose. You are going to want to install a few head studs and jury-rig something to hold the head gasket in place. Then take your garden hose and stuff it into the water inlet hole in the front of the block. Turn on the water. You will note the lions share of the water is flowing out the front of the block, and around #4 the water is barely overflowing. That's whats happening to your coolant when your engine is running. Your 'cold' coolant from the radiator enters the block at the front, but most of it flows around 1 and 2 and goes up to the head and exits the thermostat housing. The coolantin the back half of the engine is pretty stagnant, allowing hot spots to be formed. For the most part, the holes in the head gasket are the what meters the water flow from the block up through the head. On the stock head gasket those holes allow too much flow at the front. Look at Mordy's copper headgaskets for this engine, you will see he has made the coolant passage holes quite small at the front. To increase circulation at the back of the engine, you need to impede the coolant flow from the block to the head in at least the front half of the engine. I install small freeze plugs in the appropriate coolant passages in the head, and then drill small holes in the freeze plugs to meter the flow. This stopped all my issues with excessive scuffing on the #4 piston. But what do I know, I blew up this year as well! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on > the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Sep 12 07:33:15 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:33:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> Message-ID: <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> Hi all I use 89mm venolia pistons with .006 clearance and they seem to give me two years before I start getting ring trouble, so far twice on cyl 4 where the comp ratio drops from 165 to 115 and I start throwing oil from the rocker /valve cover vent straight into the catch tank. Cyl 2 comp falls to about 130 on my scale at the same time. 1 and 3 sit at 155 Ish. This seems to be the order of wear in my engine and a couple of similar ones, so pretty consistent I'm told. This is all due to accelerated ring wear due to heat in the rear of the engine as others have said and if I let it go too far, scrap pistons as a minimum. Provided I keep a tab on the comp ratios and measure what I pump out of the catch tank I can keep track of wear on a relative scale, recognising that if I do so I won't get a heavy failure. Short of solving the issue finally this is the only way to deal with it, hence my bi annual refit. I'm getting two years worth of relatively trouble free running with my steel crank, venolia pistons and carillo rods. That's about 18000 to 20000 rally miles, maybe 10000 of those at 5000 rpm and above, 3000 at maximum attack of 6500 to 7500 and above (my counter reads to 6000 so when the beastie stops accelerating and the noise doesn't get louder I know I'm on the peg). I can forward the specs of the various bits if anyone else is interested. Happy days. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Sep 2012, at 16:23, "MadMarx" wrote: > I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. > Maybe they expand a lot. > > I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. > > Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. > Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. > The liners deform under heat and getting oval. > More clearance is needed as normal. > > At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when > they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. > > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say > that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco > pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This > resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On > his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture > all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts > in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping > points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible > clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we > feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was > scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never > went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts > to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this > without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The > hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a > decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX > is a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 07:45:32 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:45:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> Message-ID: <002201cd90ec$e2906d50$a7b147f0$@com> Quite low compression. I read between 210 - 220 PSI at my engine with a compression of 11.3:1. Maybe we have here Californian air too? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: TR4 Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2012 15:33 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Hi all I use 89mm venolia pistons with .006 clearance and they seem to give me two years before I start getting ring trouble, so far twice on cyl 4 where the comp ratio drops from 165 to 115 and I start throwing oil from the rocker /valve cover vent straight into the catch tank. Cyl 2 comp falls to about 130 on my scale at the same time. 1 and 3 sit at 155 Ish. This seems to be the order of wear in my engine and a couple of similar ones, so pretty consistent I'm told. This is all due to accelerated ring wear due to heat in the rear of the engine as others have said and if I let it go too far, scrap pistons as a minimum. Provided I keep a tab on the comp ratios and measure what I pump out of the catch tank I can keep track of wear on a relative scale, recognising that if I do so I won't get a heavy failure. Short of solving the issue finally this is the only way to deal with it, hence my bi annual refit. I'm getting two years worth of relatively trouble free running with my steel crank, venolia pistons and carillo rods. That's about 18000 to 20000 rally miles, maybe 10000 of those at 5000 rpm and above, 3000 at maximum attack of 6500 to 7500 and above (my counter reads to 6000 so when the beastie stops accelerating and the noise doesn't get louder I know I'm on the peg). I can forward the specs of the various bits if anyone else is interested. Happy days. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Sep 2012, at 16:23, "MadMarx" wrote: > I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. > Maybe they expand a lot. > > I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. > > Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. > Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. > The liners deform under heat and getting oval. > More clearance is needed as normal. > > At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same > direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. > > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to > say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with > Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on > number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday > for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been > trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition > as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the > mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing > we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same > clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt > was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp > never went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons > skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb > cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did > not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search > of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but > proximity to TX is a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Sep 12 07:57:02 2012 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Parts that need a home!!!!!!!!!! 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Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Sep 12 08:03:16 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:03:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <002201cd90ec$e2906d50$a7b147f0$@com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> <002201cd90ec$e2906d50$a7b147f0$@com> Message-ID: <50509624.5090405@dfn.com> On 9/12/2012 7:45 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Quite low compression. > > I read between 210 - 220 PSI at my engine with a compression of 11.3:1. > > Maybe we have here Californian air too? > > Or just air at some altitude well above sea level. Tony doesn't say where he's taking those measurements, or the overlap of the cam he's using, both of which can have rather dramatic effect on the numbers when compared to a milder cam and at sea level. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Sep 12 08:24:22 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <4721DAF6C936489BBC48406ACE097015@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly use the torque plate I provide him. When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that failure out. My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. Any thoughts on this? Glen? Also, when we first undertook the project Greg Solo mentioned that we might need to drill the Chevy rods with an oil hole to "squirt" some oil on the cylinder walls. Any further thoughts on that? Greg S., do you care to elaborate? The really head scratchier is that Greg Blake has the same set-up, and it is running fine (knock wood). Same pistons, rods, crank, bearings, etc. We need to solve Bob's lack of track issue so there can be another father - son team on the track and not in the paddock. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: "Robert Blake" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 5:25 AM Scuffing is caused by piston expansion. Piston expansion is caused by heat. If you are running adequate piston to liner clearance and you are still getting excessive scuffing only on #4, perhaps the back of your block is not getting adequate flow of coolant. If the coolant at the back of the block does not circulate adequately, hot spots form, allowing the coolant around #4 will reach it's boiling point. Once the liner creates enough heat for the coolant to start vaporizing (boiling), a jacket of air bubbles is formed around the liner, further impeding the coolant from doing it's job. That jug gets heated more that the others, your piston expands more, and scuffing occurs. Next time you are prepping a block for a build, and are at the step of rinsing the block with copious amounts of water, try this. Slide all four liners in the block, and set in place whatever head gasket you are using, a used head gasket is fine for this purpose. You are going to want to install a few head studs and jury-rig something to hold the head gasket in place. Then take your garden hose and stuff it into the water inlet hole in the front of the block. Turn on the water. You will note the lions share of the water is flowing out the front of the block, and around #4 the water is barely overflowing. That's whats happening to your coolant when your engine is running. Your 'cold' coolant from the radiator enters the block at the front, but most of it flows around 1 and 2 and goes up to the head and exits the thermostat housing. The coolantin the back half of the engine is pretty stagnant, allowing hot spots to be formed. For the most part, the holes in the head gasket are the what meters the water flow from the block up through the head. On the stock head gasket those holes allow too much flow at the front. Look at Mordy's copper headgaskets for this engine, you will see he has made the coolant passage holes quite small at the front. To increase circulation at the back of the engine, you need to impede the coolant flow from the block to the head in at least the front half of the engine. I install small freeze plugs in the appropriate coolant passages in the head, and then drill small holes in the freeze plugs to meter the flow. This stopped all my issues with excessive scuffing on the #4 piston. But what do I know, I blew up this year as well! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on > the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Sep 12 08:51:00 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:51:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5050A154.1080504@dfn.com> On 9/12/2012 8:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque > plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I > have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first > engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, > and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly > use the torque plate I provide him. > When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up > the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put > forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has > been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that > failure out. > One of those unaccounted-for variables might be individual variations in the blocks and heads used. I think the procedure of blocking flow out of the forward cylinders to increase flow through the rears has some merit, but consider this: what if there were a mismatch of _both_ head and block to the head gasket at that cylinder, i.e., a coolant opening in the head blocked the gasket opening area on one side, while a mismatch to the block hindered flow on the other? The net effect would be greatly attenuated flow out of the block on at least one side of the cylinder. The other variable could be a casting anomaly inside the head at that cylinder or just forward of it. Those are the sort of things that tend to go unnoticed during machining and/or rebuilding, but can have rather profound effects on performance, and can be a devil to find without hard data on temperature variations. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 12 09:10:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUND Message-ID: <8CF5F0FF09F55F5-4C8-DA955@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Yesterday, after seeking means to fund 2013 KCUP through regalia sales or any other means, I received two UNSOLICITED donations.....make that LARGE donations. Thank you: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER I am accepting these donations and will place them in the FOT ACCOUNT. Thank you guys......! I am NOT asking for donations, but will accept them. I have preferences on funding. Funding through regalia sales seems right to me. NOT depending on commercial sponsorships seems right to me, but they will be accepted. Note: Sponsorship promises were made and broken for the Laguna Seca KCUP and we had at least one FOT do some serious funding out of pocket...I didnt know about it until well after the fact. Not acceptable. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 12 09:20:27 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF5F1145D98D75-1DC4-942D0@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> No doubt that the rear cylinder runs the hottest, but I have found that if the cooling system, oil and water, are in good shape, and IF the RPM is kept within reason, (touches wood), it's not a problem for us. I don't do any more than progressively open up the steam holes for the little banana ports in the head gasket, bigger towards the rear. A lot of guys are running pretty high revs now and this becomes more of a potential problem, and on some "other" buzzy engines I do add a provision for flow in the rear. As a related matter of interest, I had a scuffing issue recently, 3 out of 4. The problem was that #1 was the worst, very heavy, metal transfer, progressively less back to #4, which was near perfect! Exactly the opposite of what would be expected. After going over the drivers excellent track notes, and recalling our conversation about not getting water temp in it due to a very cold weekend, we concluded that the pistons were up to temp as evidenced by normal oil temps, but the liners were too cold. It's a real balancing act with these things. Then as Greg S pointed out, lugging can cause problems as well, both lack of splash, and losing the oil wedge due to drop in main pressure. Glen -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: Robert Blake ; fot ; yellow04 Cc: Glen Effinger Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly use the torque plate I provide him. When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that failure out. My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. Any thoughts on this? Glen? Also, when we first undertook the project Greg Solo mentioned that we might need to drill the Chevy rods with an oil hole to "squirt" some oil on the cylinder walls. Any further thoughts on that? Greg S., do you care to elaborate? The really head scratchier is that Greg Blake has the same set-up, and it is running fine (knock wood). Same pistons, rods, crank, bearings, etc. We need to solve Bob's lack of track issue so there can be another father - son team on the track and not in the paddock. -Ed- From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 12 09:29:10 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] SPEAKING OF DONATIONS- Message-ID: <8CF5F127D6F07DC-4C8-DB002@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Some things are so obvious that they are overlooked...................KAS & PEG The KASTNER CUP funds do not always cover all of Peg and Kas' direct expenses and certainly there has never been any monies beyond direct expenses. THAT makes KAS and PEG the largest contributors to the KASTNER CUP SERIES. Thank you Kas and Peg. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From rblake36 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 09:42:35 2012 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Message-ID: <1347464555.46855.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I would like to thank the group for all the input. Not only have we found a bonnet for Greg's car, the guy who was literally beaten by his equipment, we have elicited a number of responses that may provide a solution to the issue of the scuffed #4. Hopefully we will have the car back in operation in time for the CVAR TWS meet in November, and actually might run for a full weekend. Thanks and regards to all. Bob Blake From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Sep 12 11:14:40 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:14:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347464555.46855.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347464555.46855.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101cd910a$185c1200$49143600$@com> FWIW - I've been measuring the temperature of the block and cylinder head with and infrared thermometer as we come off the track since we started running in 2007. The cylinder head is measured between #2 and #3 sparkplugs, The block is measured towards the front and towards the back on the cam side and the block is measured at the back as low as possible. All of the readings have been consistently between 180 degrees and 200 degrees. The infrared thermometers are now available from places like Harbor Freight pretty reasonably now. This just seemed like a good piece of diagnostic data to have. Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Blake Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:43 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Blake Gregory Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I would like to thank the group for all the input. Not only have we found a bonnet for Greg's car, the guy who was literally beaten by his equipment, we have elicited a number of responses that may provide a solution to the issue of the scuffed #4. Hopefully we will have the car back in operation in time for the CVAR TWS meet in November, and actually might run for a full weekend. Thanks and regards to all. Bob Blake _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 12 11:50:05 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] more on piston scuffing... In-Reply-To: <88538F2A-6D3E-4513-A3CD-3DB95F743998@austin.rr.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <88538F2A-6D3E-4513-A3CD-3DB95F743998@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF5F262D23355D-1DC4-98D19@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> Just a few other things to check. Look at the underside of the piston for color, I like to see just a little tan, that shows that it's getting good heat in the chamber. If is dark brown/black, it has been too hot. That can cause the piston to run too hot and it can scuff as a result. Also look for a pattern, if it's scored/scuffed all the way to the top of the pistons, it could be a ring issue, check for heavy wear in the top ring groove (usually rich running). Or heavy burnishing/scuffing at the bottom part of the thrust faces, likely ran out of clearance. These long-stroke engines have a pretty high piston speed so at high revs they are right on the edge of the limits... Glen From mediehljr at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 12:19:52 2012 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <1347473992.19369.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello All. In case anyone cares, I am not in Madrid and am not in trouble with the law(not lately anyway. If anyone wishes to send me money, feel free, but be sure to send it to me and not the scam address on the hack job. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 12 12:38:00 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:38:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR Message-ID: Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 12:43:34 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:43:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VIR Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 12 12:59:22 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:59:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call I could be wrong on that. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:44 PM To: 'john hasty'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] VIR One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VIR Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Sep 12 13:17:12 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I then had much more control over the heat in the engine. Larry On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > Any thoughts on this? Glen? From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Sep 12 13:36:10 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:36:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas Message-ID: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT membership. Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last year. In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to the US at some time. Do I have a second? Thank you Robert MacKenzie From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 13:58:16 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:58:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas In-Reply-To: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> References: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> Message-ID: <3450CA80-C5ED-42EC-8CC2-A4FA1BCEA4C6@gmail.com> Second! Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT membership. > > Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy > car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club > newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin > autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last > year. > In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. > Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to > the US at some time. > > Do I have a second? > Thank you > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Sep 12 13:59:12 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:59:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> Message-ID: All my TR3/4 engines are fitted with a dash 8 line from the cold side of the water pump to the Block drain and a dash 6 from the water fitting in the back of the head to the thomo housing. Requires some welding and maching of bungs in the right places. Tony > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port > to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the > engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the > head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for > an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear > of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of > #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. > > The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a > Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I > then had much more control over the heat in the engine. > Larry > > On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have > > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine > > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being > > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and > > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > > Any thoughts on this? Glen? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Sep 12 14:00:13 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:00:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: I love VIR and would love to make the trip but I'm already one week in the hole on vacation time this year. New job, less time off, it sucks! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:59 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but > I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC > with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call I > could be wrong on that. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:44 PM > To: 'john hasty'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] VIR > > One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of john hasty > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VIR > > Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the > VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa > OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, > Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 14:04:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:04:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 12 14:18:15 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> Message-ID: <8CF5F3ADFCDD1CC-1DC4-9A868@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> And there's not a thing wrong with that Chris! Like the wise-man said... you can't race a broken race car... Glen as it came from factory -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Sep 12 14:39:28 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:39:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com>, Message-ID: ...as a side note< I should give credit to My father n law "gene" for designing or coming up with the cooling system mods. Gene is a retiried engine builder (sprint car/midget/hotrod) and also "his"bikes owned the 1 mile flat track world records in the late 60's and 70's when he worked for BSA and Triumph . Now, If anyone wishes to have the cooling system mods done , contact me off list and we'll work something out. Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com > From: horizonracing at msn.com > To: cartravel at pobox.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:59:12 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > All my TR3/4 engines are fitted with a dash 8 line from the cold side of the > water pump to the Block drain and a dash 6 from the water fitting in the back > of the head to the thomo housing. Requires some welding and maching of bungs > in the right places. Tony > > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 > > From: cartravel at pobox.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > > I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port > > to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the > > engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the > > head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for > > an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear > > of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of > > #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. > > > > The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a > > Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I > > then had much more control over the heat in the engine. > > Larry > > > > On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I > have > > > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the > engine > > > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought > being > > > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, > and > > > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > > > Any thoughts on this? Glen? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Sep 12 14:49:53 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> Message-ID: <1347482993.73979.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Chris: And that was my idea with running a hose from the two heater connections on the engine. The next step would be to have a heater (or cooler in this case :O)) on those two hoses. It would add flow to the rear, and aid in the cooling. If it added nothing it at least didn't hurt anything as far as I knew. Simple ideas from simple minds. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:04 PM Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 14:52:38 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:52:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347482993.73979.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> <1347482993.73979.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007801cd9128$8cd26350$a67729f0$@com> Kas explained me that you have higher temperatures in USA than we have in Europe. So maybe that is a reason why you have to take more care about cooling as we have to. I had only two times races at 100F. Von: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2012 22:50 An: fot at autox.team.net; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Chris: And that was my idea with running a hose from the two heater connections on the engine. The next step would be to have a heater (or cooler in this case :O)) on those two hoses. It would add flow to the rear, and aid in the cooling. If it added nothing it at least didn't hurt anything as far as I knew. Simple ideas from simple minds. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:04 PM Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 15:07:23 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: <8E9FC0B5-EDAD-4B82-A413-CAECDB4DE524@yahoo.com> I know the feeling Bob. New job here as well And my car is down. Easy fix but between honey dos and available funds, I have had another minimal race season. Next Year! Ty Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I love VIR and would love to make the trip but I'm already one week in the > hole on vacation time this year. New job, less time off, it sucks! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:59 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > >> Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but >> I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC >> with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call > I >> could be wrong on that. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. >> >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations >> regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, >> any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) >> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of >> (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, >> marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter >> addressed herein. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:44 PM >> To: 'john hasty'; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: RE: [Fot] VIR >> >> One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? >> jim g >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of john hasty >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] VIR >> >> Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the >> VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa >> OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, >> Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. >> >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations >> regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, >> any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) >> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of >> (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, >> marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter >> addressed herein. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 12 18:09:36 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:09:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas In-Reply-To: <3450CA80-C5ED-42EC-8CC2-A4FA1BCEA4C6@gmail.com> References: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> <3450CA80-C5ED-42EC-8CC2-A4FA1BCEA4C6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B795121-CC38-4845-9FD4-723B5C30A969@gdhs.com> 2nd.... Another old bike rider is ok with me! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > Second! > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > >> I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT > membership. >> >> Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy >> car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club >> newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin >> autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last >> year. >> In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. >> Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to >> the US at some time. >> >> Do I have a second? >> Thank you >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Sep 12 19:01:35 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) Message-ID: First video from ELVF at Road America last weekend. This was a qualifying race, and folks were behaving poorly for some reason. 1080p video, got some rattling from the go-pro within its case. You can see some of what's going on behind me in the right hand door mirror. http://youtu.be/0xxASD8etiE More (better) to come as I produce the videos. Front suspension upgrade was fine, although I ended up with less ground clearance than I planned. I'll take it back apart and flip the lower wishbones right side up to get a bit more clearance. Turn in didn't feel as crisp as I remembered, but that may have something to do with going back to used Speedsters. Thanks again to everyone who offered advice, pictures, parts and moral support in the front suspension swap! Tony Drews From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 12 19:19:46 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:19:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 video from VARA Buttonwillow "Oktoberfest" last weekend Message-ID: <32910791.1347499187165.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Here's my in-car video from Saturday's qualifying race in HD. Please skip the first 10 minutes if you want to miss 3 minutes of sitting on the grid, the pace lap, the no-green, and the second pace lap! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iiSAdXvV5c ~Steve From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:28:59 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1291135815.1583443.1347499739926.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:01:40 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: ; ; ; "fubog1" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > AE "Hepolyte" pressure cast 87mm pistons were set up by AE with .005" > clearance at the bottom of the skirt at 90 degrees to the pin. Most > forged pistons will require more than that. > Kas has mentioned his technique of warming the piston in boiling water, > measuring the skirt diameter at that temperature, then adding (if I > remember correctly) .003" to the "hot size" of the piston to determine the > correct bore size. > In the engine we built that scuffed skirts 3 times in succession, it > always ran fine on the dyno and it high rpm. It scuffed the skirts idling > in the garage, running slowly around the pits, and after a hard run on > curvy mountain roads, driving slowly on city streets, then pulling into a > parking low. The culprit was the low rpm not putting enough oil onto the > cylinder walls of an engine with "steel billet rods" that had no provision > for squirting oil onto the cylinder walls at low rpm. > > Greg Solow > > The Engine Room From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:34:28 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <938CE29454F34D0FAC5E503C9E8A2863@TER2> Message-ID: <952125742.1583672.1347500068275.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'm forwarding these message for Greg. He has not been able to communicate through the FoT autox.team.net address. Dave H. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:17:04 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Robert Blake" ; ; Cc: "Blake Gregory" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > Concerning water flow and overheating. On all race engines we modify the > block to improve water flow to the rear of the block. 1. Mount up the > water pump housing onto the front of the block. with the liners removed, > grind the rectangular opening through which all the water passes into the > block. treat it like a head port. Enlarge the hole to match the gasket > opening, smooth the transition into the block, open the hole to promote > water flow down the right side of the water passage. 2. Round off and > reduce the projections into the water jacket under the long cylinder head > studs without removing to much material. 3. open up the rectangular > opening in the bulkhead of the block between cylinder #2 &3. Round off the > edges of this hole in a way to promote flow the front to the rear of the > block. At the rear of the block, grind open the top rear to match the > triangular water holes in the bottom rear of the head. Modify the head > gasket to match. So the water transfer passages from the block the to head > are both triangular, matching, and at least as large as the head casting > will allow without getting to close to the cylinder sealing ring. 4. > Lastly, lay the head gasket on the top of the block. There are 4 small > round water holes on the left side under the spark plugs. Mark these hole > on the top of the block and on the top of the liners. mark the liners so > they can be reinstalled in the EXACTLY SAME POSITION each time they have > been removed. Now grind a channel that is 1/2 round at the top, about 2 > inches long, getting wider toward the bottom straight down the inside of > the water jacket of the block so that you have created a channel that > leads water up into the round hole in the gasket and then into the passage > under each of the 4 spark plugs. You can beneficially do the same thing on > the matching side of each liner so there will be a fully round hole > feeding water to the under side of each spark plug. > We have not found it necessary to restrict any of the passages or vent > coolant out of the heater outlet on the head. > We also slow the water pump down by about 30% for engines that are > normally run at speeds between 4,000 and 7,000 as we believe the pump was > designed to operate optimally at around 2500 rpm in a Vanguard Saloon car. > We have seen a lot of air bubble formation in engines run on the dyno at > speeds over 4,000 rpm. Reducing the water pump speed 30% resulted in a > dramatic reduction in these bubbles, and an increase in power at 6,000 rpm > of about 6% on a "full race" engine. > Lots of oil and the cylinder walls, proper skirt clearance, good > coolant flow from front to rear in the block, a good radiator properly > ducted and sealed to the front of the car should cure the scuffing and > overheating issues. > > Greg Solow > > The Engine Room > > Santa Cruz, Ca > > 831 429-1800 From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:41:43 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2038173784.1583924.1347500503364.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I've been practicing Greg's expert motor building tips with his direct assistance and hope to be testing them soon. Lucky for me to live in Santa Cruz, Dave H. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:18:15 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "EDWARD BARNARD" ; "Friends of Triumph" ; "Greg Solow" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > Lubricating the cylinder walls in a TR-4 engine with billet rods. When > you install a standard TR-4 road bearing in a billet con rod, the oil hole > that used to transfer oil up the stock rod now sits at roughly a 45 degree > angle in the rod. We have our machinist drill a hole about 1/2 way through > the wall of the big end of the rod in line with this oil hole and about > 1/8" in diameter. The hole is then finished the rest of the way through at > a diameter of .030". This creates a jet that two times each revolution of > the engine, when the hole in the bearing lines up with the oil feed hole > in the crank rod journal, squirts oil on the "thrust side" of the cylinder > wall. I.e., the rods must be assembled so the hole faces the manifold side > of the engine. > This idea was copied from the design of the English Ford 116e which do > the same thing. It supplies enough oil to the thrust side of the cylinder > and piston to prevent scuffing at any rpm, if the clearance and finish are > correct. > We can have your rods done for you, if you wish. Call for more > information. > > Greg Solow > > 831 429-1800 From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:56:56 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) In-Reply-To: <20120913010545.8C8B92C0CDF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <885479340.1584457.1347501416903.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey Tony, I think the red mist began when the umbrella girls walked by on the grid. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:01:35 PM Subject: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) First video from ELVF at Road America last weekend. This was a qualifying race, and folks were behaving poorly for some reason. 1080p video, got some rattling from the go-pro within its case. You can see some of what's going on behind me in the right hand door mirror. http://youtu.be/0xxASD8etiE More (better) to come as I produce the videos. Front suspension upgrade was fine, although I ended up with less ground clearance than I planned. I'll take it back apart and flip the lower wishbones right side up to get a bit more clearance. Turn in didn't feel as crisp as I remembered, but that may have something to do with going back to used Speedsters. Thanks again to everyone who offered advice, pictures, parts and moral support in the front suspension swap! Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 20:11:12 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 02:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <0824D42548EB4D509C20789D8DEF7E52@TER2> Message-ID: <2022419171.1585141.1347502272772.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Oops, I forgot this one. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:17:23 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Solow" > To: "Robert Blake" ; > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > >> Piston scuffing can be caused by lack of lubrication on the cylinder >> walls, especially at low rpm when using "steel" billet connecting rods >> that do not have any provision for oiling the cylinder walls at low rpm, >> as do the stock rods. We have seen this happen in 3 consecutive rebuilds >> of the same engine with 3 different makes of pistons, even with "coated" >> piston skirts. The fix was to modify the rods to squirt oil onto the >> cylinder walls each revolution of the engine. >> >> Greg Solow >> >> The Engine Room >> >> Santa Cruz, Ca. >> >> 831 429-1800 From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Sep 13 08:38:56 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:38:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA ELVF, In-Car videos 2 and 3 Message-ID: Elkhart Lake Vintage Fest, Road America, 9/9/2012 races. "Sheldon Cup" for Production cars running 2:40 to 3:00 lap times. Good race early, then things got predictable. I edited out the laps where nothing much happened. It's nice that they set up this race and the "Kimberly Cup" for cars running 3:00 or greater lap times - you get to run with some guys you don't normally run with, and get another session in race format (rather than practice format) which is what we all live for. http://youtu.be/pZ4ra1jJ3t0 Group 2 Feature Race. Fun start, then things settled down. THEN my car cut out briefly and let a couple of the cars who were following me by. That made things more interesting as I try to chase them back down. Fun finish. http://youtu.be/vKkpcMcxxZk In both videos, the go-pro is rattling inside the case a bit. That's kind of annoying. I'll have to figure out something to fix that. Tony Drews From igofaster at att.net Thu Sep 13 10:03:30 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay Message-ID: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of $$$ IMHO... 280961967514 item number on eBay... not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or current bids... Bobby From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Sep 13 10:12:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation Message-ID: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. I was told, early on, that this wouldnt work, but it has. Now we are known globally, even though we have made little effort in that direction. RECENT Donors: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER BOB KRAMER These are unsolicited donations. But, If you must: Checks to: Friends of Triumph.....I maintain an account under that name. PAYPAL = N197TR4 at CS.COM Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Sep 13 10:20:16 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:20:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good to see it. Tired of seeing undervalued GT6's. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2012, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of > $$$ IMHO... > > 280961967514 > > item number on eBay... > > not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or > current bids... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Sep 13 10:35:52 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of > $$$ IMHO... > > 280961967514 > > item number on eBay... > > not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or > current bids... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From chasgee at aol.com Thu Sep 13 11:24:05 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:24:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64B57791-0A73-4AB0-8392-92DEFCD04F6D@aol.com> Cool, sold for $18,500! On Sep 13, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Vince G wrote: > A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > >> I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type > of >> $$$ IMHO... >> >> 280961967514 >> >> item number on eBay... >> >> not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or >> current bids... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Sep 13 11:53:21 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:53:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <64B57791-0A73-4AB0-8392-92DEFCD04F6D@aol.com> References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <64B57791-0A73-4AB0-8392-92DEFCD04F6D@aol.com> Message-ID: It sure was handsome Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-13, at 1:24 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Cool, sold for $18,500! > > > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Vince G wrote: > >> A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: >> >>> I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type >> of >>> $$$ IMHO... >>> >>> 280961967514 >>> >>> item number on eBay... >>> >>> not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or >>> current bids... >>> >>> Bobby >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Sep 14 07:23:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation In-Reply-To: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF60934F08DA22-BA4-636BD@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> FOT NON-DUES HONOR ROLL The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. 300 TRIUMPH GUYS ON THIS LIST. THIS WEEK'S HONOR ROLL: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER BOB KRAMER CHARLES WATSON BOB DAVIS These are unsolicited donations Checks to: Friends of Triumph.....I maintain an account under that name. PAYPAL = N197TR4 at CS.COM Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Sep 14 08:49:14 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP FEATURED IN "TRIUMPH WORLD" Message-ID: <8CF609F3E09CD2E-BA4-63F00@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> UK's "TRIUMPH WORLD" did a three page feature on the KASTNER CUP at THE MITTY. It is an outstanding article with text and pictures by John Clancy. Thank you John! John and his wife have been invited to the 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America next September and it is their current plan to join us. John, of course, produced "CALIFORNIA AIR" and several other TRIUMPH DVDs. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Sep 14 13:03:31 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND Message-ID: <8CF60C2C4090792-BA4-6596E@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Iowa based HALKIAS fan club will be at Road America to support Sam Halkias....in small way. SEAN BRENDAN JOE Anyone else going to join us? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 13:11:15 2012 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND In-Reply-To: <8CF60C2C4090792-BA4-6596E@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF60C2C4090792-BA4-6596E@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1347649875.30898.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yeap; where do you plan on watching from? ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:03 PM Subject: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND Iowa based HALKIAS fan club will be at Road America to support Sam Halkias....in small way. SEAN BRENDAN JOE Anyone else going to join us? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From mmoore at wave1.net Fri Sep 14 17:33:53 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:33:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Austin Healey Help Message-ID: <000601cd92d1$671d8360$35588a20$@net> Not a Triumph, but he is my dad, and he needs a right front axle for his Austin Healey 3000 Mk III. Does anyone have an idea where he could look for one, as you cannot buy a new one? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Sep 14 17:42:43 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:42:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Austin Healey Help In-Reply-To: <000601cd92d1$671d8360$35588a20$@net> References: <000601cd92d1$671d8360$35588a20$@net> Message-ID: Try sports car craftsmen in Denver co. Ask for Paul. Jim g Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > Not a Triumph, but he is my dad, and he needs a right front axle for his > Austin Healey 3000 Mk III. > > > > Does anyone have an idea where he could look for one, as you cannot buy a > new one? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Sep 15 12:14:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT ARTIST WANTED 2013 KASTNER CUP POSTER AT ROAD AMERICA Message-ID: <8CF6185185A6662-1DC4-B2F07@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH, Looking for contributing artist for our FOT/VTR POSTER SERIES for the 11th RUNNING OF THE KASTNER CUP.. past artists have been: BLAKE DISCHER GREG PETROLATI STEVE BELFER The poster series has been a collaboration between the FOT AND THE VTR for the past several years. It is produced by Joe Pawlak (ISOA) at his material cost and paid for by VTR. Posters are distributed free to FOT and VTR members as an event premium for those who are able to attend.. Simplicity is key as it will also likely be used on our event shirts. Additional value is achieved by using this image to advertize and promote the Kastner Cup throughout the year. This is another example of how we operate without a need for large cash outlays...... THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Sep 16 00:55:48 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 petro injection Message-ID: <1347778548.2781.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: There is an entire petro system for a TR5-6 available in Salado, TX. http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/3177433387.html NFI! Thanks - Ed From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Sep 16 01:00:51 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 4.55/1 diff Message-ID: <1347778851.49643.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: While clearing stuff off the pallet racks in the shop I came upon a 4.55/1 Spitfire diff. This is the complete third member minus the rear cover and stub axles, although I have plenty of those on the shelf. VGC! Great for autox! If anyone is interested email me. Thanks - Ed From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun Sep 16 15:51:09 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:51:09 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re TR6 petro injection Message-ID: i can probably help with a complete system but I'm in Australia Terry From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 16 16:44:53 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:44:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe Message-ID: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> ...Alexander. Hope you had a good day. Dennis&Joan From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 17:35:51 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:35:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 for sale - Around $2500-$3000 Message-ID: <50566257.6050409@gmail.com> I was recently approached by a guy who decided to put his 1957 TR3 up for sale. He has had it for a number of years & decided to rebuild it. According to him the engine & rest of the drive train is done and I think he said the suspension was done. Anyway he went through a divorce, kept the car but lost the garage. The car has been sitting outside under a tarp for a couple of years. Since he can't find a garage for it he has decided to sell it. The body needs cleaning up and painting and it needs an interior. He has a bunch of new parts for the car. The car is located a couple miles South of Flagstaff off # 17. For details, call Jerry at 928-607-5018 TeriAnn From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 16 17:58:47 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:58:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe In-Reply-To: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> References: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <505667B7.7020506@bradakis.com> Dennis Delap wrote: > ...Alexander. > > Hope you had a good day. > Dennis&Joan > _______________________________________________ I'll certainly second that! mjb. From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Sep 16 18:59:21 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe In-Reply-To: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <894605216.1705188.1347843561304.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yes indeed, Happy Birthday, Joe. H ope you had a good day. Thanks for the reminder, Dennis. D&D in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Delap" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:44:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe ...Alexander. Hope you had a good day. Dennis&Joan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Sep 17 07:03:30 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation In-Reply-To: <8CF60934F08DA22-BA4-636BD@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <8CF60934F08DA22-BA4-636BD@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF62EBF7351992-1EC0-7098B@webmail-m011.sysops.aol.com> Add contributors to the list: DAVE HOGYE BRAD AND SUSAN KAHLER JEFF SNOOK Thanks guys................... If you are a commercial entity and on this list, your involvement is welcome, too. The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. 300 TRIUMPH GUYS ON THIS LIST. From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 09:14:25 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:14:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Message-ID: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. Replace guides and all valves. 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover collapsed piston (called by Kas). 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & sleeves. Install that night. 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how large the class was!) 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be done without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, (Neil's Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a close second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. Thanks gang! The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 Spitfire. My little anguish-list above appears inconsequential compared to the nose damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 10:03:05 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:03:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> Message-ID: Awesome replay of a hard fought and successful outing filled with challenges... Thanks for sharing and congrats! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-17, at 11:15 AM, "Richard Taylor" wrote: > ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 > > > > 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. > Replace guides and all valves. > > 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep > stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. > > 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover > collapsed piston (called by Kas). > > 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & > sleeves. Install that night. > > 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 > miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). > > 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic > pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. > > 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken > wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. > > 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute > race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. > > 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings > from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. > > 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how > large the class was!) > > 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up > trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. > > > > As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be done > without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, (Neil's > Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a close > second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. > > > > Thanks gang! > > > > The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 Spitfire. My > little anguish-list above appears inconsequential compared to the nose > damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Sep 17 10:09:58 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:09:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> Message-ID: Gee, Richard given the date on your post, are you predicting this is what is gona happen to you or is this what happened this past weekend at the HSR event? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Vince G Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:03 PM To: Richard Taylor Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Road Atlanta Awesome replay of a hard fought and successful outing filled with challenges... Thanks for sharing and congrats! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-17, at 11:15 AM, "Richard Taylor" wrote: > ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 > > > > 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. > Replace guides and all valves. > > 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep > stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. > > 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover > collapsed piston (called by Kas). > > 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & > sleeves. Install that night. > > 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 > miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). > > 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic > pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. > > 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken > wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. > > 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute > race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. > > 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings > from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. > > 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how > large the class was!) > > 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up > trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. > > > > As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be > done without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, > (Neil's > Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a > close second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. > > > > Thanks gang! > > > > The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 > Spitfire. My little anguish-list above appears inconsequential > compared to the nose damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Sep 17 13:41:01 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car HOW TO POST AN ALERT In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE5AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE5AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CF6323801EDFE0-85C-7707F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> This comes from Scott Barr, Esq Hi Joe, I wanted to get this info through to the list. I still canbt post directly to the list and Ibve been sitting on this info since July waiting to get put back on the list. Would you mind posting this for me? In the event of future race car thefts, a first step would be to go to www.scraptheftalert.com and post regarding the theft. This site sends an automatic alert to scrap yards within 100 miles of the site of the theft. Scott From: Vicki A. Kerry [mailto:goldiniron at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:15 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: RE: FW: [Fot] Stolen Race Car You can just go to www.scraptheftalert.com From there you can do whatever you want. You can register to receive notices, search different areas via zip or even state, scan for specific items...pretty much whatever you want. Hopefully this helps. If not, let me know and I can further investigate. Make it a GREAT day, Vicki A. Kerry Goldin Iron & Metal Recycling Corp. 300 Farmland Drive Kaukauna, WI 54130 (920)766-4201 From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Sep 17 14:24:58 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Bud, I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so I can't just measure them in the bin. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ From: Bud Rolofson To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for the > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This is one > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is better. > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 14:37:31 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:37:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> Message-ID: <018e01cd9514$43eb6fc0$cbc24f40$@net> All I missed was the month? This is hard evidence proving that one of the imperatives of a weekend of challenges is to disassociate ourselves from the hard edges of everyday reality. Last night, as I drove home on a balmy October night with the top down, I'm not sure I could have gotten my birth date right. By noon tomorrow, unfortunately, the high will have worn off and I'll get back to worrying about what time it is. Hell, maybe I'll even roll back time and do September again. It's my choice! Richard -----Original Message----- From: john hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:10 PM To: 'Vince G'; 'Richard Taylor' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Road Atlanta Gee, Richard given the date on your post, are you predicting this is what is gona happen to you or is this what happened this past weekend at the HSR event? John H. Hasty From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Sep 17 15:11:19 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:11:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8013C32AA5EA44E8A03AFD08277EB7BA@hpd530> Pegasus sells an item called Stat-O-Seal. They work great; an aluminum washer with a built in inner seal. PN 3245-5/16 for the TR6; around $1.60 each. Other sizes go from #6 to 1". They work great. I gave one to a Corvette guy at the Glen last weekend and it fixed his problem. 800 688-6946 or PegasusAutoRacing.com NFI Hope this helps. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: "Bud Rolofson" ; "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > Hi Bud, > > I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I > called a Honda > parts dept. and they say that this is not a good number for > them. Do you have > any other particulars such as a Honda model that uses > them, etc? They also say > they need to order them so I can't just measure > them in the bin. > > > Thanks, Jim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Bud Rolofson > To: Mark J Bradakis > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] > Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > > That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've > had great luck stopping leaks out the > cover bolt holes with these. > > > Bud > Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for the >> > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down >> > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This is one >> > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is better. >> > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. >> >> mjb. >> > _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Sep 17 16:36:12 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:36:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <040B1BE9-FD48-4283-A363-3636CC2BD8F5@comcast.net> They are a Honda motorcycle part number. I'm guessing you tried Honda auto parts. I didn't really say that did I? My bad. Mark made reference to a Gold Wing so I was in the motorcycle mode already. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:24 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Hi Bud, > > I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I > called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good > number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda > model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so > I can't just measure them in the bin. > > Thanks, Jim > > From: Bud Rolofson > To: Mark J Bradakis > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > > That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping > leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit > for the > > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down > > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This > is one > > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is > better. > > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. > > > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 17 17:51:47 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:51:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car HOW TO POST AN ALERT In-Reply-To: <8CF6323801EDFE0-85C-7707F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE5AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CF6323801EDFE0-85C-7707F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5057B793.9080300@bradakis.com> > I wanted to get this info through to the list. I still can't post directly to the list and I've been > sitting on this info since July waiting to get put back on the list. Wen you send a message that gets rejected you should get a response back indicating the nature of the problem. What does it say? There seems to be no record of any of your attempts in the admin logs for the list. mjb. From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Sep 17 18:00:58 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket In-Reply-To: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact surface on the block in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less violent. PO thought he would glue this thing forever. Thanks, Jim From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 18:33:43 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:33:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket In-Reply-To: <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5057C167.4000605@gmail.com> On 9/17/12 5:00 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact surface on the block > in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less violent. PO > thought he would glue this thing forever. Thanks, Jim When old gaskets are reluctant to vacate I like to use a rotary brush on a drill. It has always worked like a charm for me. I like to follow it up with a solvent to prepare the surfaces for whatever I goop du jour intend to slather on afterwords. TeriAnn From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Sep 17 19:39:21 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:39:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket In-Reply-To: <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <029c01cd953e$6dc7bd10$0601a8c0@randall> > Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact > surface on the block > in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less > violent. I've been using Loctite "Chisel" gasket remover. Comes in a rattle can instead of brush, and is kind of pricy and slow. Still works better than anything else I've found. http://goo.gl/mCvnl Looks like the active ingredient is mostly methylene chloride, so the old "aircraft" paint stripper might work as well, if you can still find the MC-based stuff. -- Randall From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Sep 18 17:57:56 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1BE1F2B6A7BF441F8AE8F0D0D28C0AFC@TER2> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, ,,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>,, , ,<001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , ,<003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , ,<004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , ,<005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84 ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com><1347913498.56821.Y ahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <040B1BE9-FD48-4283-A363-3636CC2BD8F5@comcast.net> <1BE1F2B6A7BF441F8AE8F0D0D28C0AFC@TER2> Message-ID: <1348012676.31093.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greg, what does the Mazda part look like? Is the rubber portion shaped like the Honda part? Jim ________________________________ From: Greg Solow To: Bud Rolofson ; sherry robyn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 3:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover The best valve cover bolt seals we have found for any of the TR engines that have 5/16" studs comming up through the valve cover is a Maxda part # 0324-10-237. They are a steel washer with a rubber seal bonded to the bottom of it. The steel is ridged enough to distribute the load and help prevent distorting the valve cover. they seal perfectly and are inexpensive. They can be used over and over again may times. We sell them for $2.87 each. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" To: "sherry robyn" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > They are a Honda motorcycle part number. I'm guessing you tried Honda > auto parts. I didn't really say that did I? My bad. Mark made > reference to a Gold Wing so I was in the motorcycle mode already. > > > Bud > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:24 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Hi Bud, >> >> I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I >> called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good >> number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda >> model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so >> I can't just measure them in the bin. >> >> Thanks, Jim >> >> From: Bud Rolofson >> To: Mark J Bradakis >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover >> >> That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping >> leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. >> >> >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> >> > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit >> for the >> > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down >> > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This >> is one >> > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is >> better. >> > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. >> > >> > mjb. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 19 08:04:49 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:04:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 19 08:23:28 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Message-ID: <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Sep 19 08:27:44 2012 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: <18702a25.a5d67.139deed6a8e.Webtop.13@optonline.net> Classic! On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. > Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for > gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as > buying > gold! > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. > Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From keithfiles at btinternet.com Wed Sep 19 08:39:10 2012 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:39:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6660D755-DAB4-459B-B742-E12AD5C51BA1@btinternet.com> Historic racing AND modern racing i.e. supporting Josh, great fun but rubbish for the bank account. Somebody once asked how you became a millionaire through racing, answer; start of a multi millionaire.... Sent from my iPad On 19 Sep 2012, at 15:23, Joe Alexander wrote: > VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Taylor > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am > Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying > gold! > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 09:28:34 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:28:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Now this I would have to agree with! LOL Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-19, at 10:24 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Taylor > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am > Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying > gold! > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 09:44:50 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:44:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Sep 19 10:24:45 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:24:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Message-ID: I will defer to Roger Penske who reportedly said that to make a million dollars in racing you have to start with two million. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 > www.taylor-architecture.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 19 13:08:33 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:08:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net><8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> Message-ID: <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 13:09:37 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 13:15:28 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:15:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: Send me a post card... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-19, at 3:08 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Sep 19 13:24:10 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:24:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: John, Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 though... Rather... were they were over 18? Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Sep 19 13:32:36 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Message-ID: <8CF64B4A87A687D-1154-C0A9@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. (There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green conditions". Entry fee: $515.00 Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 Misc.: about $200.00 Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America is $2000/lap. If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a "normal" weekend. Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. I think I should work in Government accounting. John -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is 1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying old! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S .+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite 96 tlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 ww.taylor-architecture.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 13:35:19 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <1348083319.98724.YahooMailNeo@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the creative Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. From the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls strolled around the paddock. Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: Jason Ostrowski >To: john hasty >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > >John, >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? >Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. >And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 >though... >Rather... were they were over 18? > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here >> the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) >> is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the >> message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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I'm not dead yet! On 9/19/12 2:35 PM, "Gary Schneider" wrote: I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the creative Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. From the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls strolled around the paddock. Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: Jason Ostrowski >To: john hasty >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > >John, >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? >Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. >And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 >though... >Rather... were they were over 18? > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here >> the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) >> is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the >> message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 13:54:15 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1348083319.98724.YahooMailNeo@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> <1348083319.98724.YahooMailNeo@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I can see right now I am racing at the wrong tracks, example..Roebling Roads Raceway...no spectators allowed...Gold Cup at VIR ...alot of old race cars that attract alot of old people that remember the old cars....where are all the girls !! That's the "pits"....ha ..ha a good thing that everyone is having fun ! On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: > I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the > creative > Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. > From > the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls > strolled > around the paddock. > Gary Schneider > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > From: Jason Ostrowski > >To: john hasty > > >Cc: fot at autox.team.net > >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, > 2012 2:24 PM > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > >John, > >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? > >Sure maybe they > weren't showering you with kisses. > >And..the question there was not weather or > not they were younger than 65 > >though... > >Rather... were they were over 18? > > > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > > > >Jason Ostrowski > >Friendly Ghost Racing > > > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, > john hasty wrote: > > > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to > Germany. At the races I've been to here > >> the women are all over 65, fully > clothed and no kisses. > >> > >> > >> John H. Hasty > >> Attorney At Law > >> Guthrie, > Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > >> 719 East Boulevard > >> Charlotte, North > Carolina 28203-5113 > >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 > >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 > >> E-mail: > jhhasty at gdhs.com > >> www.gdhs.com > >> > >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > This message (and any attachments) > >> is > >> intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that > >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, > and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > >> If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >> dissemination of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > >> received this > communication in error, please erase all copies of the > >> message > >> and its > attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > >> > >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 > NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > >> regarding tax > advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > >> otherwise, > >> any tax > advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > >> is not > intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > >> (i) > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > >> > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > >> > addressed herein. > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: > fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > >> Behalf Of > MadMarx > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > >> To: > fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > >> > >> I agree too. > >> And have to add: > >> Nowhere else you get in contact to so > many nice and helpful people as with > >> racing - not to forget the light > dressed young girls who give kisses. > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> > Unsubscribe: > >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 14:02:09 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:02:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> References: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: BTW.... The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 14:26:28 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:26:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> Government accounting is right if you get 84 laps. 7 laps per session, 2 sessions per day for 3 days only works out to 42 laps by my math. But, at Road America, that is 168 miles so on the per mile basis... Ouch, my head hurts from the calculations. :-) Cheers, -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad John Houlton wrote: >Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: > >Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. >(There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green >conditions". > >Entry fee: $515.00 >Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 >Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 >Misc.: about $200.00 > >Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend > >So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America >is $2000/lap. > >If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day >for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup >race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a >"normal" weekend. > >Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, >given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small >investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment >anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have >run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a >return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends >to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, >and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. > >I think I should work in Government accounting. > >John > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Taylor >To: fot >Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am >Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > >Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > >Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of >edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is >1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying >old! > > >Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA >TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > >blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S >.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite >96 >tlanta, Georgia, 30307 >tel: >blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >4)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 >fax: (404) 223-1312 >mobile: >blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >4)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > >ww.taylor-architecture.com >______________________________________________ >ot at autox.team.net >http://www.fot-racing.com >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >orums: http://www.team.net/forums >nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 15:11:29 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:11:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <000901cd96ab$57d25ab0$07771010$@com> Damned! Found no photos! But a video of mine: https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/5350206798884334 209/5490849592001845394?banner=pwa -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: tr4racing at googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. September 2012 22:02 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; john hasty; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: AW: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy BTW.... The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Sep 19 15:28:15 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> References: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> Message-ID: <8CF64C4CFF5D8C5-998-BDAF@webmail-d155.sysops.aol.com> Oops, your right Doug. I meant 4 sessions, two morning, two afternoon. But close enough for government work. What the heck, it's the THEORY that is sound, not those pesky numbers. They always get in the way. Like facts. John -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell To: John Houlton Cc: tarch ; Fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 3:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Government accounting is right if you get 84 laps. 7 laps per session, 2 essions per day for 3 days only works out to 42 laps by my math. But, at Road merica, that is 168 miles so on the per mile basis... Ouch, my head hurts from he calculations. :-) Cheers, -- oug Mitchell mitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad John Houlton wrote: >Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. (There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green conditions". Entry fee: $515.00 Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 Misc.: about $200.00 Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America is $2000/lap. If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a "normal" weekend. Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. I think I should work in Government accounting. John -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is 1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying old! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S .+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite 96 tlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 ww.taylor-architecture.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 19 17:08:04 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <8CF64D2C203C2AD-B6C-F3B9@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Good job Jason! Grid Girls are being discussed as well as some interesting videography. ROAD AMERICA'S KASTNER CUP will be memorable. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: john hasty Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy John, Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 though... Rather... were they were over 18? Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Sep 19 17:41:24 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:41:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Message-ID: Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 19 18:21:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF64DD0279E1CD-B6C-FAFD@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Good information....we will be there. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:42 pm Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed Sep 19 18:36:15 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:36:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505A64FF.6060904@bradakis.com> Attending the Runoffs has been on my To Do list for 30 - 40 years. Some day... I should probably start saving my pennies for next year's Kastner Cup, another goal to achieve. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Sep 19 19:16:38 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:16:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> References: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> Message-ID: <505A6E76.80401@bradakis.com> Every now and again an "investment guide" shows up on the net. Basically it invests $1000 each in various stocks and buys $1000 worth of cheap beer in aluminum cans. After one year each of the stocks is worth less than the amount you'd get by recycling those beer cans. Finance can be fun! mjb. From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Sep 20 07:47:51 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: <505A64FF.6060904@bradakis.com> References: <505A64FF.6060904@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Attending the Runoffs has been on my To Do list for 30 - 40 years. Some > day... > > I should probably start saving my pennies for next year's Kastner Cup, > another > goal to achieve. Mark - I'm pretty sure the SCCA Runoffs will be the week following the ELVF event / Kastner Kup. All you have to do is figure out how to hang around for a couple of days. Heck, if you have SCCA F&C credentials, you can probably flag TUE or WED and get in for free (including free camping for SCCA workers. Such a deal! I'm trying out how to swing the Solo Nats (with Khartu) the first week of SEP 2013 and then the Kastner Cup AND at least some of the Runoffs week. "Hello, Boss? I'm taking next SEPTEMBER off." But it's a good starting point for negotiations, if nothing else. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Sep 20 07:49:04 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:49:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: Ah! Dijon-Prenois I believe the French F1 was held there several times, but I expect the town is better known for its Moutarde de Dijon. Perhaps if you first stroke La Chouette, with your left hand of course, those cute, under 65, gals will favor you with their kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:02 PM To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; john hasty; fot at autox.team.net Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy BTW.... The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From stlnyc at msn.com Thu Sep 20 19:28:43 2012 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:28:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 Pictures In-Reply-To: <2A6EB37FB96C3347B9DF1C6CD144356CF469C7@kcexch01.koelbel.local> References: , <2A6EB37FB96C3347B9DF1C6CD144356CF469C7@kcexch01.koelbel.local> Message-ID: Amici- Posting this for Silvio as he has not been able to post it himself. NFI personally. Fred Hodgson > Subject: FW: TR3 Pictures > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:10:56 -0600 > From: silvio at koelbelco.com > To: autowizards at msn.com; stlnyc at msn.com > > Fred, > This is the link to the photos of the TR3 that James set up online. > This is one of the earliest TR3s out there. I think the serial number > is under 10,000. > We would like to get $3,000 for the car. Can you help me by getting it > posted on FOT? > I plan to post is on Craigslist and VTR tonight. > Thanks, > Silvio > > Silvio DeBartolomeis > Vice President of Sales and Marketing > Koelbel and Company > 303-995-6363 > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Scott DeBartolomeis [mailto:jdebarto at mymail.mines.edu] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:14 PM > To: Silvio DeBartolomeis > Subject: TR3 Pictures > > http://s1147.photobucket.com/albums/o550/jdebart/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ24 From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Sep 20 19:58:28 2012 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:58:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SOLD! FW: TR3 Pictures In-Reply-To: References: , <2A6EB37FB96C3347B9DF1C6CD144356CF469C7@kcexch01.koelbel.local> Message-ID: <1E52C6F4-1B9E-49CF-B090-417ECB6494F3@earthlink.net> Hello all, I was going to wait until I have it home to post, but I'll be bringing the poor little TR home on Saturday. Thanks so much for the tip TeriAnne! I'll update soon. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Sep 20, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > Amici- > > Posting this for Silvio as he has not been able to post it > himself. NFI > personally. > > Fred Hodgson > > >> Subject: FW: TR3 Pictures >> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:10:56 -0600 >> From: silvio at koelbelco.com >> To: autowizards at msn.com; stlnyc at msn.com >> >> Fred, >> This is the link to the photos of the TR3 that James set up online. >> This is one of the earliest TR3s out there. I think the serial number >> is under 10,000. >> We would like to get $3,000 for the car. Can you help me by >> getting it >> posted on FOT? >> I plan to post is on Craigslist and VTR tonight. >> Thanks, >> Silvio >> >> Silvio DeBartolomeis >> Vice President of Sales and Marketing >> Koelbel and Company >> 303-995-6363 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Scott DeBartolomeis [mailto:jdebarto at mymail.mines.edu] >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:14 PM >> To: Silvio DeBartolomeis >> Subject: TR3 Pictures >> >> http://s1147.photobucket.com/albums/o550/jdebart/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ24 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Fri Sep 21 08:26:23 2012 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:26:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link Message-ID: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage racing crowd. Enjoy. http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Sep 21 09:05:43 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:05:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link In-Reply-To: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> References: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: There are some really good photos there, thanks. John On Fri, September 21, 2012 10:26 am, MORDY DUNST wrote: > CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from > various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage > racing crowd. Enjoy. > > http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Sep 21 10:01:56 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:01:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link In-Reply-To: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> References: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: THANK YOU!!! Terrific collection. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: MORDY DUNST Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:26 AM To: FOT Cc: editor at vintageracecar.com Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage racing crowd. Enjoy. http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 20:48:53 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:48:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cool 1961 Le Mans movie by Triumph Message-ID: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> In case you haven't seen this. Ty http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=VGfQOLFHgYE Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 22 19:36:55 2012 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1348364215.56559.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The day started cold and wet but by race time it was just cold. It was not a notable day for Triumph racing. Sam Halkias was up with the front runners in EP until he got tagged which broke something in the rear causing Sam to do a very interesting 180 snap spin approaching Turn 5 putting him on the trailer earlier than scheduled. In GTL Steve Sargis started up front battling with the leaders until he pulled off with mechanical issues. From beginning to end today's GTL race was the best I have ever seen; lead changes several times each lap with Prather out powering Lentz to the checker winning by the nonexistant perverbal bumper or 0.023 seconds. It would have been nice if Sam and Steve could have finished as they were both very competitive. Tomorrow is the HP and FP race; hopefully more great performances by the Triumphs. ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Sep 23 05:20:16 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:20:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 6H of Spa In-Reply-To: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> References: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801cd997d$6a12ef80$3e38ce80$@com> If that won't make you jealous! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUIGGZhpAzY&feature=youtu.be 108 cars on the grid. Cheers Chris From cwnfot at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 08:51:45 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] App for race timing and scoring Message-ID: <001301cd999a$f422d830$dc688890$@com> I don't know if this was already discussed. If you have a smart phone or tablet, there is an App to link directly into the timing and scoring computers of participating events, such as the SCCA RunOffs. Race Monitor. Costs $5 and well worth it. We pit marshals at Lime Rock use it at events to keep track of race winners for victory laps and awards. Heck, I kept track of the HP race while watching F1 on the TV just now. Not only SCCA events, marquee club events, vintage racing, whatever, wherever!! Check it out. http://race-monitor.com/ Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Sep 23 09:45:41 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:45:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 6H of Spa In-Reply-To: <505f0b7e.66bd440a.573b.fffffc7bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> <002801cd997d$6a12ef80$3e38ce80$@com> <505f0b7e.66bd440a.573b.fffffc7bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <003001cd99a2$7e1576e0$7a4064a0$@com> Best Triumph 28th. Best MGB 20th http://www.ris-timing.be/~circuit//6hspa/2012/2012_SPA_SIX_HOURS_2012_1_Spa_ Six_Hours_Endurance_Race.pdf At 06:20 AM 9/23/2012, you wrote: >If that won't make you jealous! > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUIGGZhpAzY&feature=youtu.be > >108 cars on the grid. > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 11:56:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> STICKERS FLAGS SHIRTS MEDALLIONS ETC. John Hasty, et. al. I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to do any funding. We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'Joe Alexander' ; rblake36 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:49 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I know how it feels. Last year we went all the way up to Mosport from Charlotte only to brake a rod in the 2nd practice session.....certainly something to be avoided. Joe....are there any FOT stickers left? With the re-do of both the right and left sides of my car needed after Mid Ohio, I have lost the ones I had. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:33 AM To: rblake36 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Sorry to hear of these MECHANICAL MALADIES. BTW, it turned out that Jerry Barker's fuel supplies in his RV/Hauler trailer had lines switched from his genset to the race gas by an RV service center. He was running street gas in his Spitfire and that caused his failures at the Mitty. For myself, I have installed a bone stock TR4 engine in the AMBRO and hope to run it midpack and reliably next season. Alexander Racing isnt in a position to deal with two race engines, and we hope to return to the track in 2013 with maximum track time at the lowest expense, with the TR4 and the AMBRO. I sometimes think we ask too much of this old equipment.....especially as amateurs who do most of the work ourselves. Money is likely well spent on the suspension.....all that HP is no good if you cant go around the corners. I must be getting old. But I dont want to tow to Mosport and Road America and then return home with tortured metal. Something to think about. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:11 am Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Sun Sep 23 13:31:20 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 12:31:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] RE; El Kablamo! Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB017733E4D596@TITAN.dwholdings.local> The engine builder; Jim Clark in MN has offered to rebuild the motor for us. He's already found a block, and I'm in the midst of pulling the blown lump and crating it up to ship to him. Will keep you posted on how he does... Ed Dunn From kaskas at cox.net Sun Sep 23 14:49:08 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:49:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Race in Las Vegas Message-ID: Who is planning on this race? Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 23 16:13:16 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:13:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race in Las Vegas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505F897C.9080102@bradakis.com> Kas Kastner wrote: > Who is planning on this race? > > A road trip to Vegas would be nice, but I don't think I'll make it. If the race were closer to the end of the month, maybe I could have done it. mjb. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Sep 23 17:21:53 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:21:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3E788F15-8513-446C-8F2D-68F98ACE7ABB@aol.com> I still have badges and flags available. Let me know if your interested Chris On Sep 11, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > STICKERS > FLAGS > SHIRTS > MEDALLIONS > ETC. > > John Hasty, et. al. > > I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the > past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to > do any funding. > > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as > in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of > Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. > > I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. > > But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP > will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses > beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and > 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. > > John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 20:44:16 2012 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 22:44:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] App for race timing and scoring In-Reply-To: <001301cd999a$f422d830$dc688890$@com> References: <001301cd999a$f422d830$dc688890$@com> Message-ID: I was introduced to this app at lime rock this weekend and was excited all weekend with "watching" the run offs and sargis today. Waiting for replay to come onto speed cast now. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2012, at 10:51 AM, "Clark W. Nicholls" wrote: > I don't know if this was already discussed. > > If you have a smart phone or tablet, there is an App to link directly into > the timing and scoring computers of participating events, such as the SCCA > RunOffs. > Race Monitor. Costs $5 and well worth it. > > We pit marshals at Lime Rock use it at events to keep track of race winners > for victory laps and awards. Heck, I kept track of the HP race while > watching F1 on the TV just now. > > Not only SCCA events, marquee club events, vintage racing, whatever, > wherever!! > > Check it out. > > http://race-monitor.com/ > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Sep 24 08:25:07 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:25:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] thread tap size Message-ID: <20120924142507.TITS0.261943.root@cdptpa-web31-z01.mail.rr.com> Having a senior moment. Does anyone know the thread size for head bolts and main bearing caps for the TR3-4 engine? From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Sep 24 08:38:30 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:38:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA Message-ID: <2534EB63F3DF4CD1B45F7EF909E135FF@gdhs.local> I 'spose everyone has the news by now, but SVRA has purchased HSR-West... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Sep 24 09:39:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDING and THE OSTHOFF HOST HOTEL FOR KCUP 2013??? Message-ID: <8CF6881ED76CA29-1850-199FA@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I came back from the RUNOFFS to find more submittals for the FUND. Generosity abounds and is greatly appreciated. I will summarize and list the names when I catch up. While at the RUNOFFs I visited with sales at the OSTHOFF. The OSTHOFF is the prime candidate for HOST HOTEL. Their proposal has already appeared on my computer for review...when I get time. The OSTHOFF is the location of the ANNUAL CAR SHOW for the ELVF. The OSTHOFF has 1-2-3 Bedroom Suites available. This means that you can get two or more couples together or several of your closest friends and get the price down to 'normal' or even less. I have done this in the past and it is a very pleasant way to spend a vintage race weekend. The historic Siebkens is right next door and an opportunity to visit the well attended bar area. The FOT sticker is nicely planted in there now, as well. Siebkens is also a candidate for accommodations and has new construction in rooms. More later......thanks again for the funding. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Sep 24 09:47:17 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:47:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms Message-ID: Andy is one of the drivers of the orange TR-3 that has joined us in VSCDA at Blackhawk and Road America. They are experiencing some handling issues with their car and Andy would like to be able to lean on the collective wisdom of this group. I've offered to help mentor them, and would like to see them be successful. Do I hear a second? Mark B.: Andy Willms awillms at estatecounselors.com Thanks, Tony Drews From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 09:51:08 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms In-Reply-To: <20120924154424.1E7942D0864@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1348501868.49800.YahooMailClassic@web162204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'll second the motion! Welcome Andy Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Mon, 9/24/12, Tony Drews wrote: > From: Tony Drews > Subject: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Monday, September 24, 2012, 3:47 PM > Andy is one of the drivers of the > orange TR-3 that has joined us in VSCDA at Blackhawk and > Road America. They are experiencing some handling > issues with their car and Andy would like to be able to lean > on the collective wisdom of this group. I've offered > to help mentor them, and would like to see them be > successful. > > Do I hear a second? > > Mark B.: > Andy Willms > awillms at estatecounselors.com > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Sep 24 10:28:22 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:28:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Need a contact Message-ID: Mike Munson will you please contact me. Thanks. Never be beaten by equipment From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 17:31:42 2012 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 588-020_Clutch line_Triumph In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FD5F65B9@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FD5F65B9@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: FOT FYI, I received the attached instructions from Moss Motors regarding the universal flare used on their aftermarket hydraulic pipes. This flare works on either bubble or double flare applications. My application involved a TR4 clutch master cylinder to slave cylinder pipe using part number 588-020. The OEM pipe had a bubble flare on the master cylinder end and a double flare on the slave cylinder end. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ken Hyndman Date: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:21 PM Subject: 588-020_Clutch line_Triumph To: "johnstydo at gmail.com" ** John, I have attached some information on the universal fittings. I would suggest you install the line you have and secure it in place and it should conform to the proper flare and not leak. Do contact me if it does not work but you will be able to return it if needed as per my authorization. Kind regards, Ken Hyndman (1962 Austin Cooper 997 cc) Tech Services Moss Motors, LTD. 800-667-7872 ext 3752 hyndmank at mossmotors.com****** *Please use the REPLY function when responding to an email received from me. * *Moss Motors, Ltd. is not liable for injury or damage due to incorrect installation or use of their products. All products are sold with the understanding that the safe and proper installation and use of the products is the customer's responsibility. This Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.* [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of 980-346_Universal Flare_Supplemental Information.pdf] From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 18:53:06 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:53:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Float Gasket for SU H2S carb Message-ID: <88E8731D-0E7E-4152-8712-BA3020B1629B@comcast.net> Anyone have a spare float gasket for a SU H2S carb they would sell me. Mark Eaton lent me a manifold and set of SU H2S carbs but one float gasket is missing and I don't want to buy a whole kit to get it. Looks like this: http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Float%20Gasket%20for%20SU%20H2S%20carb/ Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 21:25:44 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:25:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Float Gasket for SU H2S carb In-Reply-To: <88E8731D-0E7E-4152-8712-BA3020B1629B@comcast.net> References: <88E8731D-0E7E-4152-8712-BA3020B1629B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8D6CC27E-F6B0-4898-B92C-FE43D993D6D4@comcast.net> I think I found a gasket I can use. Thermostat gasket for a TR4 is almost a perfect inner diameter and thickness. I can cut the rest away. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Sep 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > Anyone have a spare float gasket for a SU H2S carb they would sell > me. Mark Eaton lent me a manifold and set of SU H2S carbs but one > float gasket is missing and I don't want to buy a whole kit to get it. > > Looks like this: > > http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Float%20Gasket%20for%20SU%20H2S%20carb/ > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 22:23:49 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:23:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Now I've done it. Message-ID: <073FCB6E-DEEC-42FB-9B7F-5903E7B2AF6B@comcast.net> Took delivery on a 1971 Spitfire Mark IV race car the other day. The car came out of New Jersey. It was a race car from day one and never was registered/licensed to run on the streets. It came with a SCCA log book from the 70's and it's first race, other than the Bryar Driver's School and the St Citie Drivers School? in late 1972, was at SCR (whatever that is) in September of 1973. The car was raced until August 1979 (last log entry) at various tracks on the East coast including Lime Rock, Maars, Watkins Glen, BridgeHampton, and Fingerlakes? so it has some race history. Don't know any more from then to now. The guy I bought it from purchased it a couple years ago and got it real close to race condition but then had a partner bail on him. So he sold it to me. I posted a pic of the Log Book and the car when it was raced back in the 70's along with some present pics on: http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/1971%20Spitfire%20Mark%20IV%20Race%20Car/ Been sorting some things out with the help of Mark Eden, and Jim Gray so that has been great. It came with a Weber downdraft but I'm trying out some other setups thanks to Mark. Two SU H2S and a 40DCOE18 setup are both in the works for some testing. It's got it's flaws but I'm looking forward to doing what I can to make it better and having a lot of fun to share with the list. Thanks Bud P.S. Anyone want to buy a really nice TR4A project car (Below). It's the white car in one of the pics. 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 09:23:20 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:23:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Now I've done it. In-Reply-To: <073FCB6E-DEEC-42FB-9B7F-5903E7B2AF6B@comcast.net> References: <073FCB6E-DEEC-42FB-9B7F-5903E7B2AF6B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005501cd9bfa$dd279320$9776b960$@com> MARRS is a race series, not a track, down around Washington DC region. Could be Summit Point, Pocono, ??? Fingerlakes is an SCCA region, probably at Watkins Glen track. Bryar is now New Hampshire Motor Speedway or International Speedway or whatever... St Citie is probably Steel Cities, another SCCA region near Pittsburgh. Didn't see any old photo... Nice looking car, make sure you install a full roll cage with strong side bars!!! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Sep 26 14:20:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cheap generator FYI Message-ID: Today's Aldi grocery store ad includes a "Workzone 3250 watt 196 cc Portable Generator" for $229.99. I picked one up, we'll see if it's worth anything. Looks like it will run a 20 amp 120 v circuit. It's not light, I can report after loading it into the van. Tony Drews From chasgee at aol.com Wed Sep 26 16:35:44 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 aluminum radiator for sale Message-ID: <8CF6A4E669E0D04-FDC-37AAE@webmail-d134.sysops.aol.com> Hello fellow FOTers, I have a slightly used aluminum radiator for the GT6. It is an exact copy of the stock radiator, but is made of aluminum and has a thicker core. It bolts right in to the stock mounts and uses the stock hose arrangement. I'd like to get $350 for it. Contact me off line if interested. Thanks, Chuck From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Sep 29 11:36:33 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ELVF 2013 FROM JOHN HOULTON CONFIRMATION OF KASTNER CUP DATES In-Reply-To: <8CF6C743E2988A7-B24-52048@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF6C743E2988A7-B24-52048@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF6C801A110CFE-600-56B5E@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com> FOT: See below....planning has been in motion for the KASTNER CUP. Now we have confirmed dates. Road America, VSCDA, and THE FOT is committed to making this KCUP one of the best. Mark your calendar to run "FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC". Joe Alexander Hi Joe, We are confirmed with Road America for Sept 6-8, 2013. We should set a conference call with Mike Kornelli this week or next so we can begin formal promotion before the end of October! John From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Sep 1 06:22:03 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 08:22:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential References: Message-ID: Hi Gang, I sure do enjoy the Rotary lift I installed a couple months ago; press a button and the car goes up. Great! I got it used from a retiring guy I knew. Paid $950 for the lift, but much more for the 6" floor of concrete to set it on! I'm getting too old to roll around on the floor. I'm headed for the Glen next week. Who else is going? Enjoy the weekend. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: "triumph friends" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential > Well I think I reached a new high level of frustration in Triumphing > Today. > Surely there are tools out there to make this a quick and easy job....but > yet again tools I don't have. > I have done a lot of hard and frustrating jobs on these cars over the > years. > But the rear bushing removal and install on a Spit/GT6 diff.has to be one > of the most difficult tasks yet. > Blisters on my hands, 2 ruined hardened sockets, two stripped threaded > rods,no less than 8 heavy washers (2 hardened) destroyed, and two nuts > mangled. > And 1 Nut drenched in sweat with a pounding headache. > > On the plus side, my fresh "home made" locked differential is done and > will > go in the car tonight. > All this for a couple hours of track time at Road America this weekend. > Remind me again why it's so rewarding to be your own mechanic. > Perhaps I'm in the minority of idiots. > If you were going golfing, can you imagine telling your golfing buddies > that you had spent the night before a round of 18 holes....laying on the > floor of your garage floor covered in grease and sweat on the verge of > tears for more hours than you care to count....fixing your 9 iron? > Craziness. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Sep 1 07:32:02 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential Message-ID: <82f69.4d5b731d.3d736852@aol.com> In a message dated 09/01/2012 7:22:21 AM Central Daylight Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > Hi Gang, I sure do enjoy the Rotary lift I installed a couple months ago; > > press a button and the car goes up. Great! I got it used from a retiring > guy > I knew. Paid $950 for the lift, but much more for the 6" floor of concrete > > to set it on! I'm getting too old to roll around on the floor. > I'm headed for the Glen next week. Who else is going? > Enjoy the weekend. > Amen to having a lift available to you. We've had ours for about 15 years now, and I put the cars on the lift...even to wax them. Lifts are great. I don't sell engineering, but a four inch (or less +/-) concrete floor might not have to be an issue. I believe you can address such an issue by diamond saw cutting a pair of 24"x24" holes in your existing floor where the anchor bolts need to go, and then digging out a particularly deep pocket 24-30" deep, and using extra long anchor bolts. That's what we did (although I would not be surprised if our floor was not 6" to begin with). I think the lift manufacturer give specific directions as to what will work with their unit. Ours has a 9,000 pound capacity, and we followed their instructions. Again, no engineer, but I think that is far superior to drilling anchor bolts into a 6" concrete floor. The Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team (in all its Glory) will be at the Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival at Road America. We've never missed one. We had raced the September Watkins Glen event for about eighteen years in a row, and we miss not racing there now. Wismer has family right across the border in PA. But when the two events ended up on the same week end to accommodate the SCCA Nationals at Road America, we had to opt'd for our 'home track'. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Sep 1 07:52:11 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential Message-ID: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Sep 1 08:13:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 16:13:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential In-Reply-To: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> References: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> Message-ID: <000201cd884c$0aab1a50$20014ef0$@com> As Bill said: The safest thing would be to ask the lift manufacturer what he recommends for concrete type, if it should be reinforced, which type of anchor bolts. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com Gesendet: Samstag, 1. September 2012 15:52 An: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Sat Sep 1 08:43:10 2012 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 10:43:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lift, was Damn Differential Message-ID: For those of us without the ceiling height for a 2 or 4 post lift, consider a low rise tire changing type lift instead. I bought an old Rotary PAL7 from a local tire store and it's been great in my garage with 8 ft ceiling. It sits on any level floor without having to be attached, and it lifts the car 24-30 inches off the ground. Since this particular model has an "H" configuration to the lifting base, it pretty much sits right under the frame of the Triumphs and you can reach just about everything from underneath. Of course you have to lie on the floor but at least you can get to stuff. Also, since it seems that 90% of what I do involves the brakes and suspension, it's especially helpful that it lifts the frame and I can take all 4 wheels off without having to use any other equipment or jacks. If I had a choice between this and a regular 4 post lift (with the rails), I'm not sure which I would prefer. I suspect the 2 post setup that lifts the frame is the best of all worlds, but it's not an option for me. Don On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 10:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: > As Bill said: > The safest thing would be to ask the lift manufacturer what he recommends > for concrete type, if it should be reinforced, which type of anchor bolts. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com > Gesendet: Samstag, 1. September 2012 15:52 > An: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; jason at multivintage.com; > fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential > > Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... > > It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms > that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the > four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four > vice two bearing points. > > Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" > (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead > of two. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Sep 1 09:20:05 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:20:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential References: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi again. My lift is a two post above ground unit. Rotary, the mfgr, said 5 inches of concrete minimum. My old cement floor was poured in '59, mixed by hand. 4 inches deep. They did a good job for the time, but it was poured in sections, which shifted a bit, especially where the tree root pushed it up. The tree is gone now. I thought about putting in two 4' square sections to mount it on, but decided to bite the bullet and go a little bigger. By the time it was done it was 28' x 28'! 6 inches of fiberglass reinforced, smooth, level, gorgeous concrete. The concrete guys did a great job. It was about $2300 for the concrete and about that much more for the pour. Worth every cent. Enjoy the weekend. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net ; jason at multivintage.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Sep 1 11:15:28 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, Message-ID: <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a > chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. > These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way > that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. > > Never be beaten by equipment From kaskas at cox.net Sat Sep 1 12:10:38 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:10:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, , <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. These are a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC nd RA. In my famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I can scan a page and send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my new revised upgraded Handbook that I plan to have available as a download within a couple months.. Never be beaten by equipment Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 From: cartravel at pobox.com To: kaskas at cox.net CC: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. Never be beaten by equipment From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Sep 1 12:38:16 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:38:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com> <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: I will have to buy your book and try one of the suggested needles. I'm doing much better this race weekend with the needles I just put in. Great power when fully in the throttle through to 6500 rpm but could be better when i have to let off and modulating the throttle through a corner. Plugs are a nice tab color after a good session Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-01, at 2:13 PM, "Kas Kastner" wrote: > You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. These are > a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC nd RA. In my > famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I can scan a page and > send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my new revised upgraded > Handbook that I plan to have available as a download within a couple months.. > > Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: kaskas at cox.net > CC: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > > > > > > > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can > compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book > should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which > I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want > it to be like it would have been if not for the emission > requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas > did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and > put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to > the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to > stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to > switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye > Triumphs). > > > > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner > wrote: > > > > > > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there > is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the > 1.5" carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to > compare. By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an > S.U. needle. > > > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Sep 1 13:18:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 14:18:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, , <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: <50425F81.7040602@pobox.com> Thanks for that tip. I used RC and RB needles in my TR3 race car. I'm curious to see how all these needles compare. I need to get a wideband O2 gauge. This will not happen overnight, so I can probably wait for the new book. On 9/1/2012 1:10 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. > These are a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC > nd RA. In my famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I > can scan a page and send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my > new revised upgraded *Handbook* that I plan to have available a > download within a couple months.. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: kaskas at cox.net > CC: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can > compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should > give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want > to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be > like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or > less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've > taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam > (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running > the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock > appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make > these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there > is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" > carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. > By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. > > Never be beaten by equipment From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Sep 1 13:28:06 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:28:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: Strombergs operate with a deeper jet level than we're used to with SUs. Early TR6 carbs have a jet level of .080 below the bridge. Late TR6 carbs use a jet level of .125 below the bridge. You should first drop the jets to .125 for increased richness. Then try the XKE B1E needle. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Kas Kastner" Cc: "fot" Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare > it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a > starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up > but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would > have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the > 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the > compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I > have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed > needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, > but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable > (see Buckeye Triumphs). > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a >> chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. >> These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way >> that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From tomstrange1300 at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 07:04:55 2012 From: tomstrange1300 at gmail.com (tom strange) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 08:04:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Kas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry for my tardiness, but all the same wishes from me. Kas, I hope you had a great day, and many more to come. Also from me is a big thanks for all the help you have been to all of us. Tom On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > Kas, > > Wishing you the best on your birthday. > Thank you for giving so much of yourself to this fine group. > > In appreciation, > > Allen > > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tomstrange1300 at gmail.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Sep 4 04:07:30 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:07:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock Message-ID: Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime Rock, two overall wins! Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. Way to go, guys! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From tomstrange1300 at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 05:54:43 2012 From: tomstrange1300 at gmail.com (tom strange) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:54:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest Message-ID: Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Sep 4 07:51:42 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 09:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi - There was a great turnout of Triumphs at Lime Rock this weekend!! I chatted with the current owner of the Bill Ames Ambro and urged him to follow up with an interest in FOT. We'll see how that pans out. But the Kent Bain spitfire was fast on SAT, Pual King was there in the GT6, there was a TR4, several other Spitfires... I'll try to summarize tonite when I have a chance to look at the program. But I think it was the most Triumphs I've seen raced at that event in quite some time, if not ever. Linda asked what I'd need to do to run with those guys... The DOOR opens. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Sep 4 10:52:38 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:52:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks to the list! Message-ID: I just wanted to say thanks to the participants in the FOT for all of the advice on my recent front suspension woes, especially to Christian Marx, Ed Barnard, Joe Alexander, Irv Korey and Dennis Delap. In case you didn't follow it, at the last race I broke a right front upright / vertical link which almost sent me into the wall. In discussing proper replacement parts, Christian mentioned that the TR-6 (really TR-4a through TR-6) vertical link and trunnion assembly is much beefier than the TR-4 3 degree caster items I had been running. Ed, Joe, Irv and Dennis (and Good Parts) all supplied me with pieces to get my car back together for Road America this coming weekend. I couldn't have done it without the advice from many on the list, and I'm very grateful for the help and support. I've taken pictures and will be putting a web page together on the TR-4a / 5 / 250 / 6 front suspension installation onto a TR-4 - this should apply to TR-3's as well. This is a very worthwhile upgrade since it strengthens the front suspension. Anything that keeps the wheels pointed in the right direction is a good thing. Anyway, just wanted to give kudos to the list. Cheers, Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Sep 4 10:53:02 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll be there! Tony Drews At 06:54 AM 9/4/2012, tom strange wrote: >Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 4 11:55:34 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:55:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Thanks to the list! In-Reply-To: <20120904173919.5123D2D075D@autox.team.net> References: <20120904173919.5123D2D075D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <002b01cd8ac6$7dcfcae0$796f60a0$@com> Tony says: " Anything that keeps the wheels pointed in the right direction is a good thing." I would say: Anything that keeps the wheels on the car is a good thing. Anything else is less important :-) Cheers Chris From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Sep 4 12:24:59 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII Message-ID: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> Amici... This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below looks. We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did quit one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. Bill Dentinger From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Sep 4 13:55:35 2012 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:55:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII In-Reply-To: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> Message-ID: See you guys there. Jason and I will be competing for Spectator of the Event. On 9/4/12 1:24 PM, "BillDentin at aol.com" wrote: Amici... This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below looks. We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did quit one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3429615335_311394808] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Sep 4 14:48:39 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:48:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great to hear, congrats on the day gents! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-04, at 6:43 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime > Rock, two overall wins! > > Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on > the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy > traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. > > Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting > to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. > > Way to go, guys! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 4 16:45:44 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1346798744.30016.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mike asked me to be chief steward this weekend so please play nice! I hate yelling at people :-) Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: tom strange >To: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:54 AM >Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest > >Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net From jhouathome at aol.com Tue Sep 4 17:53:51 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:53:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <633F5757-2259-45F5-9420-A45F3A8F3200@aol.com> I will, trying one more time to get the Kellison/TR4 to run. We'll be at our usual spot along the main road across from the t-shirt store! John Houlton Sent from my iPod On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:54 AM, tom strange wrote: > Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue Sep 4 18:03:19 2012 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:03:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: <1346798744.30016.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1346798744.30016.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <485BB277-07B6-49D5-8EA4-FDA385398B95@charter.net> Gary I have never heard you yell at anyone. On Sep 4, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: > Mike asked me to be chief steward this weekend so please play nice! I hate yelling at people :-) > Gary Schneider > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: tom strange >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:54 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest >> >> Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From starr001 at umn.edu Tue Sep 4 18:45:56 2012 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:45:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7AC2938C-7151-4F6D-9A99-0C3C69C10A69@umn.edu> I will be there in #83 Morgan Plus 4. Pat Starr On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:54 AM, tom strange wrote: > Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu From LimeyV8 at aol.com Wed Sep 5 10:56:24 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Message-ID: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Sep 5 12:04:45 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:04:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold Message-ID: <001f01cd8b90$eec63110$cc529330$@aero> I am looking for a dual 1.25 inch SU manifold for a 1296 engine. Anybody have one they want to sell? I just need the manifold but will take a full set of carbs if the price is right. Thanx Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero From kkjjk at aol.com Wed Sep 5 13:06:38 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? In-Reply-To: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> References: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF59B0B6054466-136C-12BCE@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> Canley Classics has a very good rotoflex conversion kit available. It is for road going cars, though, not racing. I have put them in two GT6's , a 70 + and 72 mkIII with very good results-- Go to canleyclassics.com-- Jay D -----Original Message----- From: LimeyV8 To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:27 pm Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Sep 5 14:18:46 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:18:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? In-Reply-To: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Message-ID: <20120905201847.9OPO1.260132.root@cdptpa-web20-z02> Maybe yes on the CV joints and definitely you can install Datsun 240Z-280Z axles. Datsun Z car axles are an easy conversion although not CV joints. A CV joint conversion for the Datsun 510 is available. Since 510 axles are similar to Z car axles then one might assume the 510 CV joint conversion would fit a GT6.....maybe! Bob ---- LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: > Greetings Amici > > Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles > on a 69 GT6+? > > Thanks > Jack Mc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 5 14:26:51 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold In-Reply-To: <001f01cd8b90$eec63110$cc529330$@aero> References: <001f01cd8b90$eec63110$cc529330$@aero> Message-ID: <1346876811.7327.YahooMailNeo@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check with Ted at TSI. I bought mine from him. ________________________________ From: Robert MacKenzie To: 'FOT List' Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold I am looking for a dual 1.25 inch SU manifold for a 1296 engine. Anybody have one they want to sell? I just need the manifold but will take a full set of carbs if the price is right. Thanx Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From mnewman at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 5 14:54:41 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? In-Reply-To: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Message-ID: <1135691376.954096.1346878481372.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Mine came from Rick Cline,they have a u-joint on each end. Canley Classics also makes them with a CV joint on the outboard end. Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: LimeyV8 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 5 16:32:53 2012 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:32:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Help! Message-ID: I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It doesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Sep 5 18:36:57 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:36:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Public service announcement - Silverstone owners Message-ID: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> For anybody running the original Triumph Silverstone wheels, I came across a guy at the Lime Rock swap meet that went to the trouble and expense to have the lug nuts reproduced. They are beautiful. He made 10 sets each in 3/8ths (Spitfire) and 7/16ths (Big TR) studs. He is selling 9 sets at his cost, not cheap, but you could never manufacture 16 wheel lugs with washers for $182. He also had some original Nokof screw on spinners, ready to get rechromed. I had never seen a set for sale before. Email me off list for the guy's contact info. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From billdentin at aol.com Wed Sep 5 18:40:39 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF59DF5F36C304-C94-1557E@webmail-m146.sysops.aol.com> I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It oesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. Boy! That last part is going to be tough. Bill (damdinger) From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Sep 5 19:01:07 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:01:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69C26062-0986-4F6E-84CD-EB04392ED1F5@aol.com> Are they the same as a spitfire? I think I have one or two. Chris On Sep 5, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Greg Petrolati wrote: > I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It > doesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tomstrange1300 at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 07:21:04 2012 From: tomstrange1300 at gmail.com (tom strange) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:21:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII In-Reply-To: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> References: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> Message-ID: bummer!!! I'll see you over the weekend ... still working on the car, but may have to compete for that primo spectator spot ... On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM, wrote: > Amici... > > This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob > Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to > bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below > looks. > We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. > Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did > quit > one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. > > So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd > Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII > edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tomstrange1300 at gmail.com From list at mackenzie.aero Fri Sep 7 10:44:32 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold Message-ID: <000d01cd8d18$0ef15180$2cd3f480$@aero> I found what I needed. Thanx FOT Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero From grmtim at aol.com Sat Sep 8 14:22:32 2012 From: grmtim at aol.com (Timothy Suddard) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF5C16CF373DF6-1C80-39AFB@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> Thanks, it was good seeing my fellow Triumph fans and what a great weekend. That Healey drove a tough race. We'll have a full report in the next issue of Classic Motorsports. Tim Suddard -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2012 6:35 am Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime Rock, two overall wins! Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. Way to go, guys! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com From grmtim at aol.com Sat Sep 8 14:38:41 2012 From: grmtim at aol.com (Timothy Suddard) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD In-Reply-To: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF5C19113E4633-1C80-39B92@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. -----Original Message----- From: chris crisenbery To: fot Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 I didn't see if that included any buyers premiums or not. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Sep 8 15:12:25 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 17:12:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD In-Reply-To: <8CF5C19113E4633-1C80-39B92@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> References: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CF5C19113E4633-1C80-39B92@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Go TR3's! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Timothy Suddard wrote: > The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing > my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how > much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the > GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually > and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring > and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type > experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to > know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are > pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did > most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chris crisenbery > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD > > > Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 > > I didn't see if that included any buyers > premiums or not. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Sun Sep 9 16:13:23 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 15:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts needed Message-ID: <1347228803.60819.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear invaluable Triumph friends, Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. In mourning.... Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Sep 9 17:32:57 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 19:32:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts needed In-Reply-To: <1347228803.60819.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1347228803.60819.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B5D07B6-7AD2-4CA3-8A03-2B677B2BA448@gdhs.com> You might give Vernon Brannon, Charlotte, a call. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Guy Morter wrote: > Dear invaluable Triumph friends, > Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. > In mourning.... > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Mon Sep 10 13:14:09 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:14:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Part need Message-ID: All, I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am missing a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they are the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph # 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater amount of bend in it. If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from you for a fair price! Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 tr4 at wi.rr.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Mon Sep 10 16:03:05 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:03:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need Message-ID: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Thanks all, Irv has one in his garage so I am good now! How does one lose a part like this anyway???? Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Yott Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 2:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Part need All, I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am missing a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they are the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph # 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater amount of bend in it. If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from you for a fair price! Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 16:07:30 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:07:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: Hope you didn't bolt it on somewhere else(:-)! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Yott" To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need > Thanks all, > Irv has one in his garage so I am good now! > > How does one lose a part like this anyway???? > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 2:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Part need > > All, > > I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am > missing > a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is > $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! > > What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they > are > the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph > # > 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater > amount > of bend in it. > > If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from > you for a fair price! > > Thanks much > > Steve Yott > 262-997-0701 > tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Sep 10 16:13:29 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:13:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> We went racing this past weekend at the VARA Oktoberfest, @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park in the sweltering San Joaquin Valley. My wife's Formula V performed flawlessly as did our Spitfire which our son in law drove in his very first race. He did very well, now just has to learn how to RACE... I attempted to run our GT6, but after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded quite spectacularly. 7000 RPM, good oil pressure, and then: loud noise, cockpit fills with smoke/steam, I shut off master electrical and pull off track. Still smoking so pull fire handle and bail out, trotting off to a safe distance. Fortunately the fire bottle worked, and the thing didn't totally burn to the ground. Just a small paint-ruining oil fire, caused by engine oil exiting a large hole blasted in the side of the block. This after a "complete race rebuild" a few months ago. We got ONE good race weekend out of it, next time out a rocker arm welded itself to the rocker shaft because of insufficient oiling. Engine builder didn't install set screw to keep rocker shaft lined up with oil passage in rocker pedestal. Got it all back together, (my dime & labor...) and now this. Sheesh! Don't quite know what we'll do now... Ed From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 16:21:33 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:21:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need In-Reply-To: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: 1) by putting it in a really special place so you can find it when you need it 2) by needing it now 3) by failing to buy another one so that the original shows up Take your choice. They all seem to work for me. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Sep 10, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Steve Yott wrote: > How does one lose a part like this anyway???? > > Steve Yott From jason at multivintage.com Mon Sep 10 17:15:19 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Edward Dunn wrote "after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded" "Don't quite know what we'll do now..." Ed, That is terrible news. I am so sorry to here you have had such a tough time with your GT6. I have been surprised to here all the disappointing news about these motors lately. We have had lots of things go Kablamo in these cars over the years but the 1998cc motors have always been very reliable. I'm not sure what I can do to keep you hanging in there... but am happy to share any info you might need. Sad and Sorry, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 10 18:14:26 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:14:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need In-Reply-To: References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <504E8262.20609@bradakis.com> >> How does one lose a part like this anyway???? >> I just put it on a shelf in my garage. mjb. From grmtim at aol.com Mon Sep 10 18:21:30 2012 From: grmtim at aol.com (Timothy Suddard) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD In-Reply-To: <1133d.848daf5.3d7d0baf@aol.com> References: <1133d.848daf5.3d7d0baf@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5DCA86503651-2C4-455D0@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> I haven't found out yet who got it. Been too busy racing the TR3. I will find out though. -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve To: grmtim ; fot Sent: Sat, Sep 8, 2012 4:59 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD So did it go to one of us or will it be stuffed in a dusty museum garage somewhere? Or are you at liberty to say?? In a message dated 9/8/2012 1:43:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, grmtim at aol.com writes: The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. -----Original Message----- From: chris crisenbery To: fot Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 I didn't see if that included any buyers premiums or not. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 06:56:29 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR3 parts needed Message-ID: <1347368189.89346.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all that offered help. I will be traveling for the next few days and will reply to all then. Guy Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Sun, 9/9/12, Guy Morter wrote: > From: Guy Morter > Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts needed > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 9, 2012, 10:13 PM > Dear invaluable Triumph friends, > Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put > me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis > and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on > the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner > as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. > In mourning.... > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Sep 11 09:04:57 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <1347375897.85130.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> dang Edward... for a minute I thought one of my posts had re-emerged with the saga of a blown up engine in a GT6.... then I realized I've never had to evacuate the fire bottle system.. bummer.... I feel your pain... 2 years in a row April 2011 and April 2012 (The Mitty) I experienced the same catastrophe .... I won't be racing vintage in April 2013... that I know of... takes the giggle out of the effort... we all know... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Edward Dunn To: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, September 10, 2012 5:16:13 PM Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! We went racing this past weekend at the VARA Oktoberfest, @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park in the sweltering San Joaquin Valley. My wife's Formula V performed flawlessly as did our Spitfire which our son in law drove in his very first race. He did very well, now just has to learn how to RACE... I attempted to run our GT6, but after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded quite spectacularly. 7000 RPM, good oil pressure, and then: loud noise, cockpit fills with smoke/steam, I shut off master electrical and pull off track. Still smoking so pull fire handle and bail out, trotting off to a safe distance. Fortunately the fire bottle worked, and the thing didn't totally burn to the ground. Just a small paint-ruining oil fire, caused by engine oil exiting a large hole blasted in the side of the block. This after a "complete race rebuild" a few months ago. We got ONE good race weekend out of it, next time out a rocker arm welded itself to the rocker shaft because of insufficient oiling. Engine builder didn't install set screw to keep rocker shaft lined up with oil passage in rocker pedestal. Got it all back together, (my dime & labor...) and now this. Sheesh! Don't quite know what we'll do now... Ed _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rblake36 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 09:08:17 2012 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Message-ID: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 09:23:35 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:23:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 09:33:28 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Sorry to hear of these MECHANICAL MALADIES. BTW, it turned out that Jerry Barker's fuel supplies in his RV/Hauler trailer had lines switched from his genset to the race gas by an RV service center. He was running street gas in his Spitfire and that caused his failures at the Mitty. For myself, I have installed a bone stock TR4 engine in the AMBRO and hope to run it midpack and reliably next season. Alexander Racing isnt in a position to deal with two race engines, and we hope to return to the track in 2013 with maximum track time at the lowest expense, with the TR4 and the AMBRO. I sometimes think we ask too much of this old equipment.....especially as amateurs who do most of the work ourselves. Money is likely well spent on the suspension.....all that HP is no good if you cant go around the corners. I must be getting old. But I dont want to tow to Mosport and Road America and then return home with tortured metal. Something to think about. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:11 am Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Sep 11 09:38:07 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:38:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> Message-ID: We use JE pistons and rings with a clearance of 2.5 thou. Which I think is about 1/2 of a thou. Less than Chris uses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 09:49:40 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> Message-ID: <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> 2.5 is not enough. As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. Glen -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'MadMarx' ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We use JE pistons and rings with a clearance of 2.5 thou. Which I think is about 1/2 of a thou. Less than Chris uses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Sep 11 10:33:58 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:33:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Weber Carb fuel overflow Message-ID: <85AB1155-5020-4EFF-91FD-F1C21161D512@me.com> My 40DCOE weber carbs drizzle a little fuel out the overflow and into the filters on hard, prolonged turns. I know this because i see the residue on the heat shield from where it drips though the filter, and occasionally I get a whiff of gas. Floats are set below the "stock" settings, but I assume those settings are for street cars anyway, and the settings vary depending on the application of carbs to car model. Many people seem to have the same issue, and the attitude is "that's normal". Others don't seem to have any sloshing out. Raw fuel leaking out somewhere above the exhaust never seems like a good idea, even with the heat shield in between! So, I guess the question is, should I adjust the floats down even further, or is there another correction for this? And if the answer is float adjustment, should this impact the selection of the air corrector jet and the emulsion tube, and how? From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 11:16:05 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> Message-ID: <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Moore To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of piston skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it would seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, there may not be many engines running by end of season! I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are scaring the hell out of me! Mike Moore 62 TR4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 2.5 is not enough. As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. Glen From ponobill at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 11:29:19 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <311E1507-C7B6-48D8-9B67-4DE026390ED5@bnj.com> Not to worry Mike, start off with the simple investment in Kas' books and READ THEM. It takes a lot less time than building an engine again. If you do that and follow the suggestions you'll have an engine that lasts just fine. I pound the heck out of my engines and even when it was just my ham-handed efforts they generally lasted for years. Really, there's just a few big rules to follow: Adequate piston clearance Adequate guide clearance Keep an eye on your cam followers and the entire valve train--including springs Don't get too carried away with compression If you don't have a steel crank and good rods, keep the RPMs below 5500 Don't overheat the car On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:16 AM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 12:15:13 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In-Reply-To: <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E608570AFAA-224C-B3280@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> FOT REGALIA: STICKERS FLAGS SHIRTS MEDALLIONS ETC. John Hasty, et. al. I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to do any funding. We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'Joe Alexander' ; rblake36 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:49 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I know how it feels. Last year we went all the way up to Mosport from Charlotte only to brake a rod in the 2nd practice session.....certainly something to be avoided. Joe....are there any FOT stickers left? With the re-do of both the right and left sides of my car needed after Mid Ohio, I have lost the ones I had. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 12:16:24 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:16:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greg, Piers told me about the excitement. What a shock that must have been, and at a pretty fast part of the track, too (well before the turn-in point for turn 7, I hope? Kinda 100 mph-ish there...) Regarding the piston scuffing issue, I'm betting you've already got inadequate coolant flow ruled out. The two possibilities that come to mind are: 1) an intake air leak only on #4 intake tract and 2) a bent rod. 1) Have you tried viewing temperatures at different points on the header and surface of the engine block and head using an infrared thermometer? A look at the exhaust header temp for each individual branch ought to tell you if one cylinder is running leaner than the others. If all four pipes are indicating similar temperatures I'd suspect oiling or a clearance issue. I'm assuming you're doing plug cuts in the absence of an EGT gauge and probe or exhaust gas analyzer. How are you performing your plug cuts? I have found that the results are not clear if I don't put in a new plug at the very start of a hard acceleration pull, with next to no idle time and no part-load driving time. 2) If the connecting rod is bent, the #4 piston could be cocked (as seen from the side of the engine). If so, the scuffing would be on a side where the wrist pin hole is. If you're going to pull the piston and rod it's easy enough to check the rod for trueness. Is it possible to install a rod backwards, causing the small end to force the piston against the front or rear of the bore? That might also exert asymmetric pressure on the big end rod bearing -- how does the bearing look? Is the scuffing at 90 degrees to that, on the thrust side? If so, one possibility is lack of oil. It may be that somehow oil isn't getting thrown up to the bottom of the piston in #4 only, causing it to run hotter. You could bore a couple of tiny lubrication holes below the lowest movement limit of the oil ring, where oil could get to the skirt, but not having an engine open at the moment, I can't visualize how you might pressure-feed this. Is the overbore you mentioned equivalent to the piston-to-cylinder wall clearances? Duncan Texas 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Robert Blake wrote: > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that > we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco > pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This > resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On > his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture > all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in > the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, > and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from > within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was > scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never > went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The > hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a > decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is > a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Sep 11 12:27:50 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING Message-ID: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily > sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Tue Sep 11 12:35:47 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:35:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In-Reply-To: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> References: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39EE@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Pay pal makes it easy. Edward Dunn Quality Fuel Trailer & Tank, Inc. 1611 S. Rancho Santa Fe Road, Suite C San Marcos, CA 92078 800-509-1904 x.12 Made In America Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:28 AM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily > sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 12:42:44 2012 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:42:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of > piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it > would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 12:50:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:50:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: All maths are right. I run Mahle forged pistons. They are very fragile and light. About 380gr incl rings and wrist pin. They have long skirts Mahle suggested 0.06mm but I didn't dare that. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:42:44 To: fubog1 Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of > piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it > would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 13:17:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] .VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING now TREASURER for 2013 kcup In-Reply-To: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> References: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E6931573DEA-224C-B5F68@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the proposal, Bill, Some things to consider: I am trying back away from some of this stuff. I hate accepting those generous donations....it is frequently the same people, like yourself. All of this takes me a lot of time...likely because I am getting very inefficient at everything I do. And I would like to spend more time on ALEXANDER RACING.....(we may have a fourth ALEXANDER driver involved by next July...that's THREE GENERATIONS). But, if we had a short term 'treasurer' for the 2013 KCUP this would help. This person would collect and disperse the funds and be involved in establishing the budget. This person would also seek sponsors that would like to be involved in what we do. (My own preference is to be free of commercial aspects of the event, but that is not always possible or practical). We have a great chairperson in place (JOHN HOULTON). Kas and I have a pretty good formula for producing the KCUP. It just takes someone who is willing to deal with the details. It's 12 months from now....... :-) Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Sep 11 13:54:44 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank scrapers Message-ID: <1632508354.806484.1347393284172.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Fot, I'm wondering how many Tr4 drivers are running crank scrapers. We are currently developing a crank scraper that will double as a center main stud girdle. CAD drawings are almost finished and I hope to have it fully developed by next spring. jim g From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 14:21:56 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 14:25:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:25:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 14:45:10 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 14:46:49 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:46:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 14:56:27 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:56:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911202319.5DC462D027B@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202319.5DC462D027B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I run about ..006 for my clearance with Wiesco pistons, they are popular in the marine industry and they have the same characteristics...or problems without the clearance..need more room, I also add more clearance to the connecting rod at the crank so that more oil can be delivered,I was told it was an old dragster trick..seems to work. . On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM, wrote: > We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with > or without. > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 > To: > Cc: ; ; ; < > fot at autox.team.net> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be > honed using a torque plate. > They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. > FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as > an added insurance policy against scuffing. > Glen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar > To: fubog1 > Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing < > tr4racing at googlemail.com>; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance > (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged > 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what > my machinist is honing to. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 14:57:01 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 14:58:34 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:58:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I use old liners and enlarge the to 88mm. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Sep 11 15:06:38 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg B ----- Original Message ----- From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, johnstydo at gmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: B fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. B Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) B have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: B I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 15:09:52 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:09:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I used molycote coating on my scuffed wisecos. The Pistons had shrinked and the coating had a thickness of about 0.3mm at maximum. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:06:38 To: fubog1 Cc: ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg B ----- Original Message ----- From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, johnstydo at gmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: B fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. B Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) B have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: B I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Tue Sep 11 15:12:37 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:12:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911204828.8F13E2D0288@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com>, , <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net>, <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net>, <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <20120911204828.8F13E2D0288@autox.team.net> Message-ID: During tests a couple eons ago we did a simular test and found the sleeve was like pushing on the end of a garden hose. (87 mm), only not quite as predictable. it cerrtain turned me into .0045" to .005" clearance guy. The best seal and power I ever had was when I lapped the rings to the sleeve, gave the piston a lot of clearance, and wished it well in the war days to come. As long as that spark plug comes out of the bore after racing with a crusty ring on the edge looking like tiny potato chips you could not make it better. Never be beaten by equipment > To: fubog1 at aol.com; johnstydo at gmail.com > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:46:49 +0000 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > At what bore size? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 > To: ; > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. > The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. > Glen > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tr4racing > To: fubog1 ; johnstydo > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or > without. > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 > To: > Cc: ; ; ; > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed > using a torque plate. > They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. > FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an > added insurance policy against scuffing. > Glen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar > To: fubog1 > Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 > mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, > but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing > to. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 15:29:40 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CF5E7BAFE5A19D-1878-48071@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Well I can only offer advice based on my limited experience with these things, torque plate for best results, at your discretion... Another point to consider may be how close you are holding tolerances. If you are measuring to thousandths, .0005 is no big deal. Of course if the engine doesn't see the far side of 5k often, this is not as critical. Re the piston coating, it seems to be 5-7 tenths per side so you will pick up .001-.0015 in diameter (polymer dynamics HoustonTx). An engine-machinist friend of mine did try coating a set of pistons to make up clearance, can't remember the number, but it was a huge failure. I honestly don't know what the limit is. One of the advantages of having the skirts coated is that you can run less clearance, but I still shoot for at least .004. Glen -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky To: fubog1 Cc: fot ; tr4racing ; johnstydo Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, johnstydo at gmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 18:24:58 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911210326.E51552D0214@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911210326.E51552D0214@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF5E942C95599F-224C-BACD4@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> we use old OEM liners and bore to size with a fixture replicated from John Deere production fixtures. OEM material is very good and equipment for boring and honing is state of the art. our torque plate is for sale. we defer to Glen's methods, however, as we suspect he has control over the variables and has great credibility. but we cant afford to send our engines to Glen.....or we would. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:06 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I use old liners and enlarge the to 88mm. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billdentin at aol.com Tue Sep 11 18:37:10 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E942C95599F-224C-BACD4@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911210326.E51552D0214@autox.team.net> <8CF5E942C95599F-224C-BACD4@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E95E0D75EEB-B94-4C23C@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com> <<< we use old OEM liners and bore to size with a fixture replicated from John eere production fixtures. OEM material is very good and equipment for boring and honing is state of the rt. our torque plate is for sale. we defer to Glen's methods, however, as we suspect he has control over the ariables and has great credibility. but we cant afford to send our engines to Glen.....or we would. >>> We too have a stash of original sleeves that we dress for fresh engines. They are hard as all get out, and much better than what we have seen available new. Also...you can look for Pink Pigs flying any day when we disagree with that 'Bearded Wonder' down in Florida. Hi Glen! Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 02:14:58 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:14:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <33A7972ABC0A40B882E91626E205221A@your89d26e0447> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <33A7972ABC0A40B882E91626E205221A@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <000301cd90be$b4156760$1c403620$@com> I would like to show you the pistons: Left Wiseco, right Mahle: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-OfylAQLY4J4/UFBD1bKreQI/AAAAAAAABaU/_XKnb Z5jCTw/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00003.JPG https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8ZCKC6pHEaI/UFBD-3a9-pI/AAAAAAAABac/2XydJ 0yWDwE/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00002.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-K1GqMXqR-4c/UFBEJcMbSdI/AAAAAAAABak/_I2JA pwohAs/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00004.JPG Interesting is, that the bigger shaped piston is much lighter. Cheers Chris From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Sep 12 04:25:17 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:25:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4721DAF6C936489BBC48406ACE097015@TRIUMPH.local> Scuffing is caused by piston expansion. Piston expansion is caused by heat. If you are running adequate piston to liner clearance and you are still getting excessive scuffing only on #4, perhaps the back of your block is not getting adequate flow of coolant. If the coolant at the back of the block does not circulate adequately, hot spots form, allowing the coolant around #4 will reach it's boiling point. Once the liner creates enough heat for the coolant to start vaporizing (boiling), a jacket of air bubbles is formed around the liner, further impeding the coolant from doing it's job. That jug gets heated more that the others, your piston expands more, and scuffing occurs. Next time you are prepping a block for a build, and are at the step of rinsing the block with copious amounts of water, try this. Slide all four liners in the block, and set in place whatever head gasket you are using, a used head gasket is fine for this purpose. You are going to want to install a few head studs and jury-rig something to hold the head gasket in place. Then take your garden hose and stuff it into the water inlet hole in the front of the block. Turn on the water. You will note the lions share of the water is flowing out the front of the block, and around #4 the water is barely overflowing. That's whats happening to your coolant when your engine is running. Your 'cold' coolant from the radiator enters the block at the front, but most of it flows around 1 and 2 and goes up to the head and exits the thermostat housing. The coolantin the back half of the engine is pretty stagnant, allowing hot spots to be formed. For the most part, the holes in the head gasket are the what meters the water flow from the block up through the head. On the stock head gasket those holes allow too much flow at the front. Look at Mordy's copper headgaskets for this engine, you will see he has made the coolant passage holes quite small at the front. To increase circulation at the back of the engine, you need to impede the coolant flow from the block to the head in at least the front half of the engine. I install small freeze plugs in the appropriate coolant passages in the head, and then drill small holes in the freeze plugs to meter the flow. This stopped all my issues with excessive scuffing on the #4 piston. But what do I know, I blew up this year as well! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on > the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Sep 12 07:33:15 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:33:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> Message-ID: <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> Hi all I use 89mm venolia pistons with .006 clearance and they seem to give me two years before I start getting ring trouble, so far twice on cyl 4 where the comp ratio drops from 165 to 115 and I start throwing oil from the rocker /valve cover vent straight into the catch tank. Cyl 2 comp falls to about 130 on my scale at the same time. 1 and 3 sit at 155 Ish. This seems to be the order of wear in my engine and a couple of similar ones, so pretty consistent I'm told. This is all due to accelerated ring wear due to heat in the rear of the engine as others have said and if I let it go too far, scrap pistons as a minimum. Provided I keep a tab on the comp ratios and measure what I pump out of the catch tank I can keep track of wear on a relative scale, recognising that if I do so I won't get a heavy failure. Short of solving the issue finally this is the only way to deal with it, hence my bi annual refit. I'm getting two years worth of relatively trouble free running with my steel crank, venolia pistons and carillo rods. That's about 18000 to 20000 rally miles, maybe 10000 of those at 5000 rpm and above, 3000 at maximum attack of 6500 to 7500 and above (my counter reads to 6000 so when the beastie stops accelerating and the noise doesn't get louder I know I'm on the peg). I can forward the specs of the various bits if anyone else is interested. Happy days. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Sep 2012, at 16:23, "MadMarx" wrote: > I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. > Maybe they expand a lot. > > I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. > > Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. > Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. > The liners deform under heat and getting oval. > More clearance is needed as normal. > > At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when > they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. > > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say > that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco > pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This > resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On > his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture > all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts > in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping > points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible > clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we > feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was > scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never > went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts > to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this > without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The > hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a > decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX > is a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 07:45:32 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:45:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> Message-ID: <002201cd90ec$e2906d50$a7b147f0$@com> Quite low compression. I read between 210 - 220 PSI at my engine with a compression of 11.3:1. Maybe we have here Californian air too? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: TR4 Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2012 15:33 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Hi all I use 89mm venolia pistons with .006 clearance and they seem to give me two years before I start getting ring trouble, so far twice on cyl 4 where the comp ratio drops from 165 to 115 and I start throwing oil from the rocker /valve cover vent straight into the catch tank. Cyl 2 comp falls to about 130 on my scale at the same time. 1 and 3 sit at 155 Ish. This seems to be the order of wear in my engine and a couple of similar ones, so pretty consistent I'm told. This is all due to accelerated ring wear due to heat in the rear of the engine as others have said and if I let it go too far, scrap pistons as a minimum. Provided I keep a tab on the comp ratios and measure what I pump out of the catch tank I can keep track of wear on a relative scale, recognising that if I do so I won't get a heavy failure. Short of solving the issue finally this is the only way to deal with it, hence my bi annual refit. I'm getting two years worth of relatively trouble free running with my steel crank, venolia pistons and carillo rods. That's about 18000 to 20000 rally miles, maybe 10000 of those at 5000 rpm and above, 3000 at maximum attack of 6500 to 7500 and above (my counter reads to 6000 so when the beastie stops accelerating and the noise doesn't get louder I know I'm on the peg). I can forward the specs of the various bits if anyone else is interested. Happy days. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Sep 2012, at 16:23, "MadMarx" wrote: > I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. > Maybe they expand a lot. > > I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. > > Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. > Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. > The liners deform under heat and getting oval. > More clearance is needed as normal. > > At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same > direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. > > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to > say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with > Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on > number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday > for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been > trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition > as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the > mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing > we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same > clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt > was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp > never went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons > skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb > cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did > not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search > of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but > proximity to TX is a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Sep 12 07:57:02 2012 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Parts that need a home!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: MEMBERSHIP GOT TO CLEAR THE GARAGE, CAN'T TURN AROUND IN THERE. all OFFERS IF NOT CRAZY WILL BE ACCEPTED: Intake Manifold 307265 V2989 A 1147 aluminum intake I think?? Gear reduction starter R-33037 Koni Shocks (2) 80-1005 Trans Overdrive Unit 25/633301 015107 6 875 Laycock Tag info Crankshaft WDB W2156 308737 17746N JOSB Supposedly a new never run crank that has been hard chromed Mains are 2.3" and rods are 1.88" Transmission 88306468 V3038 10 spline 1.15" Shaft at the splines. Has aluminum bell housing with the slave @ 2 o clock and starter on passenger side Transmission 88306468 V3038 10 spline 0.90" Shaft has aluminum bell housing with slave at 9 o clock and starter on left side Lots and lots of other Spitfire and maybe GT6 tranny's too. Block 311255 (between freeze plugs) FK5785HE, mains are 2.44" recessed cylinder bores Block 305380 (between freeze plugs) GA42748HE, by dipstick is N111, mains are 2.130" Block 307553 (between freeze plugs), Been decked so no deck surface number, mains are 2.44" and the bore is 2.94" Head 6 Port N61 by lifter area, T27, 304955 Head 8 port with D shaped exhaust outlet, 367871, 56 Head 8 port with round exhaust port outlet, RKO, 27B6, 0589 Crane Camshaft F-244 210-8, BN3437 Pistons 17753B Cam bearings 1-363, CSB612, 730883M, 84-25-970 Push rods New chrome moly 6.0" length??? Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Sep 12 08:03:16 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:03:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <002201cd90ec$e2906d50$a7b147f0$@com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> <002201cd90ec$e2906d50$a7b147f0$@com> Message-ID: <50509624.5090405@dfn.com> On 9/12/2012 7:45 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Quite low compression. > > I read between 210 - 220 PSI at my engine with a compression of 11.3:1. > > Maybe we have here Californian air too? > > Or just air at some altitude well above sea level. Tony doesn't say where he's taking those measurements, or the overlap of the cam he's using, both of which can have rather dramatic effect on the numbers when compared to a milder cam and at sea level. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Sep 12 08:24:22 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <4721DAF6C936489BBC48406ACE097015@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly use the torque plate I provide him. When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that failure out. My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. Any thoughts on this? Glen? Also, when we first undertook the project Greg Solo mentioned that we might need to drill the Chevy rods with an oil hole to "squirt" some oil on the cylinder walls. Any further thoughts on that? Greg S., do you care to elaborate? The really head scratchier is that Greg Blake has the same set-up, and it is running fine (knock wood). Same pistons, rods, crank, bearings, etc. We need to solve Bob's lack of track issue so there can be another father - son team on the track and not in the paddock. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: "Robert Blake" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 5:25 AM Scuffing is caused by piston expansion. Piston expansion is caused by heat. If you are running adequate piston to liner clearance and you are still getting excessive scuffing only on #4, perhaps the back of your block is not getting adequate flow of coolant. If the coolant at the back of the block does not circulate adequately, hot spots form, allowing the coolant around #4 will reach it's boiling point. Once the liner creates enough heat for the coolant to start vaporizing (boiling), a jacket of air bubbles is formed around the liner, further impeding the coolant from doing it's job. That jug gets heated more that the others, your piston expands more, and scuffing occurs. Next time you are prepping a block for a build, and are at the step of rinsing the block with copious amounts of water, try this. Slide all four liners in the block, and set in place whatever head gasket you are using, a used head gasket is fine for this purpose. You are going to want to install a few head studs and jury-rig something to hold the head gasket in place. Then take your garden hose and stuff it into the water inlet hole in the front of the block. Turn on the water. You will note the lions share of the water is flowing out the front of the block, and around #4 the water is barely overflowing. That's whats happening to your coolant when your engine is running. Your 'cold' coolant from the radiator enters the block at the front, but most of it flows around 1 and 2 and goes up to the head and exits the thermostat housing. The coolantin the back half of the engine is pretty stagnant, allowing hot spots to be formed. For the most part, the holes in the head gasket are the what meters the water flow from the block up through the head. On the stock head gasket those holes allow too much flow at the front. Look at Mordy's copper headgaskets for this engine, you will see he has made the coolant passage holes quite small at the front. To increase circulation at the back of the engine, you need to impede the coolant flow from the block to the head in at least the front half of the engine. I install small freeze plugs in the appropriate coolant passages in the head, and then drill small holes in the freeze plugs to meter the flow. This stopped all my issues with excessive scuffing on the #4 piston. But what do I know, I blew up this year as well! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on > the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Sep 12 08:51:00 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:51:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5050A154.1080504@dfn.com> On 9/12/2012 8:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque > plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I > have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first > engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, > and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly > use the torque plate I provide him. > When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up > the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put > forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has > been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that > failure out. > One of those unaccounted-for variables might be individual variations in the blocks and heads used. I think the procedure of blocking flow out of the forward cylinders to increase flow through the rears has some merit, but consider this: what if there were a mismatch of _both_ head and block to the head gasket at that cylinder, i.e., a coolant opening in the head blocked the gasket opening area on one side, while a mismatch to the block hindered flow on the other? The net effect would be greatly attenuated flow out of the block on at least one side of the cylinder. The other variable could be a casting anomaly inside the head at that cylinder or just forward of it. Those are the sort of things that tend to go unnoticed during machining and/or rebuilding, but can have rather profound effects on performance, and can be a devil to find without hard data on temperature variations. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 12 09:10:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUND Message-ID: <8CF5F0FF09F55F5-4C8-DA955@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Yesterday, after seeking means to fund 2013 KCUP through regalia sales or any other means, I received two UNSOLICITED donations.....make that LARGE donations. Thank you: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER I am accepting these donations and will place them in the FOT ACCOUNT. Thank you guys......! I am NOT asking for donations, but will accept them. I have preferences on funding. Funding through regalia sales seems right to me. NOT depending on commercial sponsorships seems right to me, but they will be accepted. Note: Sponsorship promises were made and broken for the Laguna Seca KCUP and we had at least one FOT do some serious funding out of pocket...I didnt know about it until well after the fact. Not acceptable. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 12 09:20:27 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF5F1145D98D75-1DC4-942D0@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> No doubt that the rear cylinder runs the hottest, but I have found that if the cooling system, oil and water, are in good shape, and IF the RPM is kept within reason, (touches wood), it's not a problem for us. I don't do any more than progressively open up the steam holes for the little banana ports in the head gasket, bigger towards the rear. A lot of guys are running pretty high revs now and this becomes more of a potential problem, and on some "other" buzzy engines I do add a provision for flow in the rear. As a related matter of interest, I had a scuffing issue recently, 3 out of 4. The problem was that #1 was the worst, very heavy, metal transfer, progressively less back to #4, which was near perfect! Exactly the opposite of what would be expected. After going over the drivers excellent track notes, and recalling our conversation about not getting water temp in it due to a very cold weekend, we concluded that the pistons were up to temp as evidenced by normal oil temps, but the liners were too cold. It's a real balancing act with these things. Then as Greg S pointed out, lugging can cause problems as well, both lack of splash, and losing the oil wedge due to drop in main pressure. Glen -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: Robert Blake ; fot ; yellow04 Cc: Glen Effinger Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly use the torque plate I provide him. When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that failure out. My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. Any thoughts on this? Glen? Also, when we first undertook the project Greg Solo mentioned that we might need to drill the Chevy rods with an oil hole to "squirt" some oil on the cylinder walls. Any further thoughts on that? Greg S., do you care to elaborate? The really head scratchier is that Greg Blake has the same set-up, and it is running fine (knock wood). Same pistons, rods, crank, bearings, etc. We need to solve Bob's lack of track issue so there can be another father - son team on the track and not in the paddock. -Ed- From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 12 09:29:10 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] SPEAKING OF DONATIONS- Message-ID: <8CF5F127D6F07DC-4C8-DB002@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Some things are so obvious that they are overlooked...................KAS & PEG The KASTNER CUP funds do not always cover all of Peg and Kas' direct expenses and certainly there has never been any monies beyond direct expenses. THAT makes KAS and PEG the largest contributors to the KASTNER CUP SERIES. Thank you Kas and Peg. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From rblake36 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 09:42:35 2012 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Message-ID: <1347464555.46855.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I would like to thank the group for all the input. Not only have we found a bonnet for Greg's car, the guy who was literally beaten by his equipment, we have elicited a number of responses that may provide a solution to the issue of the scuffed #4. Hopefully we will have the car back in operation in time for the CVAR TWS meet in November, and actually might run for a full weekend. Thanks and regards to all. Bob Blake From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Sep 12 11:14:40 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:14:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347464555.46855.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347464555.46855.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101cd910a$185c1200$49143600$@com> FWIW - I've been measuring the temperature of the block and cylinder head with and infrared thermometer as we come off the track since we started running in 2007. The cylinder head is measured between #2 and #3 sparkplugs, The block is measured towards the front and towards the back on the cam side and the block is measured at the back as low as possible. All of the readings have been consistently between 180 degrees and 200 degrees. The infrared thermometers are now available from places like Harbor Freight pretty reasonably now. This just seemed like a good piece of diagnostic data to have. Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Blake Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:43 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Blake Gregory Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I would like to thank the group for all the input. Not only have we found a bonnet for Greg's car, the guy who was literally beaten by his equipment, we have elicited a number of responses that may provide a solution to the issue of the scuffed #4. Hopefully we will have the car back in operation in time for the CVAR TWS meet in November, and actually might run for a full weekend. Thanks and regards to all. Bob Blake _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 12 11:50:05 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] more on piston scuffing... In-Reply-To: <88538F2A-6D3E-4513-A3CD-3DB95F743998@austin.rr.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <88538F2A-6D3E-4513-A3CD-3DB95F743998@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF5F262D23355D-1DC4-98D19@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> Just a few other things to check. Look at the underside of the piston for color, I like to see just a little tan, that shows that it's getting good heat in the chamber. If is dark brown/black, it has been too hot. That can cause the piston to run too hot and it can scuff as a result. Also look for a pattern, if it's scored/scuffed all the way to the top of the pistons, it could be a ring issue, check for heavy wear in the top ring groove (usually rich running). Or heavy burnishing/scuffing at the bottom part of the thrust faces, likely ran out of clearance. These long-stroke engines have a pretty high piston speed so at high revs they are right on the edge of the limits... Glen From mediehljr at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 12:19:52 2012 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <1347473992.19369.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello All. In case anyone cares, I am not in Madrid and am not in trouble with the law(not lately anyway. If anyone wishes to send me money, feel free, but be sure to send it to me and not the scam address on the hack job. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 12 12:38:00 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:38:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR Message-ID: Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 12:43:34 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:43:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VIR Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 12 12:59:22 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:59:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call I could be wrong on that. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:44 PM To: 'john hasty'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] VIR One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VIR Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Sep 12 13:17:12 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I then had much more control over the heat in the engine. Larry On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > Any thoughts on this? Glen? From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Sep 12 13:36:10 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:36:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas Message-ID: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT membership. Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last year. In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to the US at some time. Do I have a second? Thank you Robert MacKenzie From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 13:58:16 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:58:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas In-Reply-To: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> References: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> Message-ID: <3450CA80-C5ED-42EC-8CC2-A4FA1BCEA4C6@gmail.com> Second! Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT membership. > > Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy > car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club > newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin > autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last > year. > In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. > Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to > the US at some time. > > Do I have a second? > Thank you > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Sep 12 13:59:12 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:59:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> Message-ID: All my TR3/4 engines are fitted with a dash 8 line from the cold side of the water pump to the Block drain and a dash 6 from the water fitting in the back of the head to the thomo housing. Requires some welding and maching of bungs in the right places. Tony > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port > to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the > engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the > head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for > an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear > of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of > #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. > > The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a > Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I > then had much more control over the heat in the engine. > Larry > > On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have > > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine > > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being > > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and > > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > > Any thoughts on this? Glen? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Sep 12 14:00:13 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:00:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: I love VIR and would love to make the trip but I'm already one week in the hole on vacation time this year. New job, less time off, it sucks! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:59 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but > I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC > with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call I > could be wrong on that. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:44 PM > To: 'john hasty'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] VIR > > One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of john hasty > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VIR > > Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the > VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa > OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, > Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 14:04:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:04:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 12 14:18:15 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> Message-ID: <8CF5F3ADFCDD1CC-1DC4-9A868@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> And there's not a thing wrong with that Chris! Like the wise-man said... you can't race a broken race car... Glen as it came from factory -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Sep 12 14:39:28 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:39:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com>, Message-ID: ...as a side note< I should give credit to My father n law "gene" for designing or coming up with the cooling system mods. Gene is a retiried engine builder (sprint car/midget/hotrod) and also "his"bikes owned the 1 mile flat track world records in the late 60's and 70's when he worked for BSA and Triumph . Now, If anyone wishes to have the cooling system mods done , contact me off list and we'll work something out. Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com > From: horizonracing at msn.com > To: cartravel at pobox.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:59:12 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > All my TR3/4 engines are fitted with a dash 8 line from the cold side of the > water pump to the Block drain and a dash 6 from the water fitting in the back > of the head to the thomo housing. Requires some welding and maching of bungs > in the right places. Tony > > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 > > From: cartravel at pobox.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > > I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port > > to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the > > engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the > > head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for > > an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear > > of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of > > #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. > > > > The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a > > Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I > > then had much more control over the heat in the engine. > > Larry > > > > On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I > have > > > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the > engine > > > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought > being > > > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, > and > > > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > > > Any thoughts on this? Glen? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Sep 12 14:49:53 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> Message-ID: <1347482993.73979.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Chris: And that was my idea with running a hose from the two heater connections on the engine. The next step would be to have a heater (or cooler in this case :O)) on those two hoses. It would add flow to the rear, and aid in the cooling. If it added nothing it at least didn't hurt anything as far as I knew. Simple ideas from simple minds. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:04 PM Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 14:52:38 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:52:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347482993.73979.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> <1347482993.73979.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007801cd9128$8cd26350$a67729f0$@com> Kas explained me that you have higher temperatures in USA than we have in Europe. So maybe that is a reason why you have to take more care about cooling as we have to. I had only two times races at 100F. Von: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2012 22:50 An: fot at autox.team.net; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Chris: And that was my idea with running a hose from the two heater connections on the engine. The next step would be to have a heater (or cooler in this case :O)) on those two hoses. It would add flow to the rear, and aid in the cooling. If it added nothing it at least didn't hurt anything as far as I knew. Simple ideas from simple minds. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:04 PM Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 15:07:23 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: <8E9FC0B5-EDAD-4B82-A413-CAECDB4DE524@yahoo.com> I know the feeling Bob. New job here as well And my car is down. Easy fix but between honey dos and available funds, I have had another minimal race season. Next Year! Ty Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I love VIR and would love to make the trip but I'm already one week in the > hole on vacation time this year. New job, less time off, it sucks! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:59 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > >> Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but >> I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC >> with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call > I >> could be wrong on that. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. >> >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations >> regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, >> any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) >> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of >> (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, >> marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter >> addressed herein. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:44 PM >> To: 'john hasty'; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: RE: [Fot] VIR >> >> One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? >> jim g >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of john hasty >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] VIR >> >> Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the >> VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa >> OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, >> Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. >> >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations >> regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, >> any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) >> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of >> (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, >> marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter >> addressed herein. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 12 18:09:36 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:09:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas In-Reply-To: <3450CA80-C5ED-42EC-8CC2-A4FA1BCEA4C6@gmail.com> References: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> <3450CA80-C5ED-42EC-8CC2-A4FA1BCEA4C6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B795121-CC38-4845-9FD4-723B5C30A969@gdhs.com> 2nd.... Another old bike rider is ok with me! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > Second! > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > >> I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT > membership. >> >> Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy >> car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club >> newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin >> autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last >> year. >> In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. >> Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to >> the US at some time. >> >> Do I have a second? >> Thank you >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Sep 12 19:01:35 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) Message-ID: First video from ELVF at Road America last weekend. This was a qualifying race, and folks were behaving poorly for some reason. 1080p video, got some rattling from the go-pro within its case. You can see some of what's going on behind me in the right hand door mirror. http://youtu.be/0xxASD8etiE More (better) to come as I produce the videos. Front suspension upgrade was fine, although I ended up with less ground clearance than I planned. I'll take it back apart and flip the lower wishbones right side up to get a bit more clearance. Turn in didn't feel as crisp as I remembered, but that may have something to do with going back to used Speedsters. Thanks again to everyone who offered advice, pictures, parts and moral support in the front suspension swap! Tony Drews From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 12 19:19:46 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:19:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 video from VARA Buttonwillow "Oktoberfest" last weekend Message-ID: <32910791.1347499187165.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Here's my in-car video from Saturday's qualifying race in HD. Please skip the first 10 minutes if you want to miss 3 minutes of sitting on the grid, the pace lap, the no-green, and the second pace lap! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iiSAdXvV5c ~Steve From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:28:59 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1291135815.1583443.1347499739926.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:01:40 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: ; ; ; "fubog1" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > AE "Hepolyte" pressure cast 87mm pistons were set up by AE with .005" > clearance at the bottom of the skirt at 90 degrees to the pin. Most > forged pistons will require more than that. > Kas has mentioned his technique of warming the piston in boiling water, > measuring the skirt diameter at that temperature, then adding (if I > remember correctly) .003" to the "hot size" of the piston to determine the > correct bore size. > In the engine we built that scuffed skirts 3 times in succession, it > always ran fine on the dyno and it high rpm. It scuffed the skirts idling > in the garage, running slowly around the pits, and after a hard run on > curvy mountain roads, driving slowly on city streets, then pulling into a > parking low. The culprit was the low rpm not putting enough oil onto the > cylinder walls of an engine with "steel billet rods" that had no provision > for squirting oil onto the cylinder walls at low rpm. > > Greg Solow > > The Engine Room From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:34:28 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <938CE29454F34D0FAC5E503C9E8A2863@TER2> Message-ID: <952125742.1583672.1347500068275.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'm forwarding these message for Greg. He has not been able to communicate through the FoT autox.team.net address. Dave H. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:17:04 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Robert Blake" ; ; Cc: "Blake Gregory" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > Concerning water flow and overheating. On all race engines we modify the > block to improve water flow to the rear of the block. 1. Mount up the > water pump housing onto the front of the block. with the liners removed, > grind the rectangular opening through which all the water passes into the > block. treat it like a head port. Enlarge the hole to match the gasket > opening, smooth the transition into the block, open the hole to promote > water flow down the right side of the water passage. 2. Round off and > reduce the projections into the water jacket under the long cylinder head > studs without removing to much material. 3. open up the rectangular > opening in the bulkhead of the block between cylinder #2 &3. Round off the > edges of this hole in a way to promote flow the front to the rear of the > block. At the rear of the block, grind open the top rear to match the > triangular water holes in the bottom rear of the head. Modify the head > gasket to match. So the water transfer passages from the block the to head > are both triangular, matching, and at least as large as the head casting > will allow without getting to close to the cylinder sealing ring. 4. > Lastly, lay the head gasket on the top of the block. There are 4 small > round water holes on the left side under the spark plugs. Mark these hole > on the top of the block and on the top of the liners. mark the liners so > they can be reinstalled in the EXACTLY SAME POSITION each time they have > been removed. Now grind a channel that is 1/2 round at the top, about 2 > inches long, getting wider toward the bottom straight down the inside of > the water jacket of the block so that you have created a channel that > leads water up into the round hole in the gasket and then into the passage > under each of the 4 spark plugs. You can beneficially do the same thing on > the matching side of each liner so there will be a fully round hole > feeding water to the under side of each spark plug. > We have not found it necessary to restrict any of the passages or vent > coolant out of the heater outlet on the head. > We also slow the water pump down by about 30% for engines that are > normally run at speeds between 4,000 and 7,000 as we believe the pump was > designed to operate optimally at around 2500 rpm in a Vanguard Saloon car. > We have seen a lot of air bubble formation in engines run on the dyno at > speeds over 4,000 rpm. Reducing the water pump speed 30% resulted in a > dramatic reduction in these bubbles, and an increase in power at 6,000 rpm > of about 6% on a "full race" engine. > Lots of oil and the cylinder walls, proper skirt clearance, good > coolant flow from front to rear in the block, a good radiator properly > ducted and sealed to the front of the car should cure the scuffing and > overheating issues. > > Greg Solow > > The Engine Room > > Santa Cruz, Ca > > 831 429-1800 From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:41:43 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2038173784.1583924.1347500503364.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I've been practicing Greg's expert motor building tips with his direct assistance and hope to be testing them soon. Lucky for me to live in Santa Cruz, Dave H. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:18:15 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "EDWARD BARNARD" ; "Friends of Triumph" ; "Greg Solow" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > Lubricating the cylinder walls in a TR-4 engine with billet rods. When > you install a standard TR-4 road bearing in a billet con rod, the oil hole > that used to transfer oil up the stock rod now sits at roughly a 45 degree > angle in the rod. We have our machinist drill a hole about 1/2 way through > the wall of the big end of the rod in line with this oil hole and about > 1/8" in diameter. The hole is then finished the rest of the way through at > a diameter of .030". This creates a jet that two times each revolution of > the engine, when the hole in the bearing lines up with the oil feed hole > in the crank rod journal, squirts oil on the "thrust side" of the cylinder > wall. I.e., the rods must be assembled so the hole faces the manifold side > of the engine. > This idea was copied from the design of the English Ford 116e which do > the same thing. It supplies enough oil to the thrust side of the cylinder > and piston to prevent scuffing at any rpm, if the clearance and finish are > correct. > We can have your rods done for you, if you wish. Call for more > information. > > Greg Solow > > 831 429-1800 From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:56:56 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) In-Reply-To: <20120913010545.8C8B92C0CDF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <885479340.1584457.1347501416903.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey Tony, I think the red mist began when the umbrella girls walked by on the grid. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:01:35 PM Subject: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) First video from ELVF at Road America last weekend. This was a qualifying race, and folks were behaving poorly for some reason. 1080p video, got some rattling from the go-pro within its case. You can see some of what's going on behind me in the right hand door mirror. http://youtu.be/0xxASD8etiE More (better) to come as I produce the videos. Front suspension upgrade was fine, although I ended up with less ground clearance than I planned. I'll take it back apart and flip the lower wishbones right side up to get a bit more clearance. Turn in didn't feel as crisp as I remembered, but that may have something to do with going back to used Speedsters. Thanks again to everyone who offered advice, pictures, parts and moral support in the front suspension swap! Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 20:11:12 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 02:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <0824D42548EB4D509C20789D8DEF7E52@TER2> Message-ID: <2022419171.1585141.1347502272772.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Oops, I forgot this one. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:17:23 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Solow" > To: "Robert Blake" ; > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > >> Piston scuffing can be caused by lack of lubrication on the cylinder >> walls, especially at low rpm when using "steel" billet connecting rods >> that do not have any provision for oiling the cylinder walls at low rpm, >> as do the stock rods. We have seen this happen in 3 consecutive rebuilds >> of the same engine with 3 different makes of pistons, even with "coated" >> piston skirts. The fix was to modify the rods to squirt oil onto the >> cylinder walls each revolution of the engine. >> >> Greg Solow >> >> The Engine Room >> >> Santa Cruz, Ca. >> >> 831 429-1800 From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Sep 13 08:38:56 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:38:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA ELVF, In-Car videos 2 and 3 Message-ID: Elkhart Lake Vintage Fest, Road America, 9/9/2012 races. "Sheldon Cup" for Production cars running 2:40 to 3:00 lap times. Good race early, then things got predictable. I edited out the laps where nothing much happened. It's nice that they set up this race and the "Kimberly Cup" for cars running 3:00 or greater lap times - you get to run with some guys you don't normally run with, and get another session in race format (rather than practice format) which is what we all live for. http://youtu.be/pZ4ra1jJ3t0 Group 2 Feature Race. Fun start, then things settled down. THEN my car cut out briefly and let a couple of the cars who were following me by. That made things more interesting as I try to chase them back down. Fun finish. http://youtu.be/vKkpcMcxxZk In both videos, the go-pro is rattling inside the case a bit. That's kind of annoying. I'll have to figure out something to fix that. Tony Drews From igofaster at att.net Thu Sep 13 10:03:30 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay Message-ID: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of $$$ IMHO... 280961967514 item number on eBay... not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or current bids... Bobby From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Sep 13 10:12:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation Message-ID: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. I was told, early on, that this wouldnt work, but it has. Now we are known globally, even though we have made little effort in that direction. RECENT Donors: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER BOB KRAMER These are unsolicited donations. But, If you must: Checks to: Friends of Triumph.....I maintain an account under that name. PAYPAL = N197TR4 at CS.COM Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Sep 13 10:20:16 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:20:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good to see it. Tired of seeing undervalued GT6's. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2012, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of > $$$ IMHO... > > 280961967514 > > item number on eBay... > > not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or > current bids... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Sep 13 10:35:52 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of > $$$ IMHO... > > 280961967514 > > item number on eBay... > > not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or > current bids... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From chasgee at aol.com Thu Sep 13 11:24:05 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:24:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64B57791-0A73-4AB0-8392-92DEFCD04F6D@aol.com> Cool, sold for $18,500! On Sep 13, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Vince G wrote: > A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > >> I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type > of >> $$$ IMHO... >> >> 280961967514 >> >> item number on eBay... >> >> not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or >> current bids... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Sep 13 11:53:21 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:53:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <64B57791-0A73-4AB0-8392-92DEFCD04F6D@aol.com> References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <64B57791-0A73-4AB0-8392-92DEFCD04F6D@aol.com> Message-ID: It sure was handsome Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-13, at 1:24 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Cool, sold for $18,500! > > > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Vince G wrote: > >> A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: >> >>> I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type >> of >>> $$$ IMHO... >>> >>> 280961967514 >>> >>> item number on eBay... >>> >>> not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or >>> current bids... >>> >>> Bobby >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Sep 14 07:23:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation In-Reply-To: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF60934F08DA22-BA4-636BD@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> FOT NON-DUES HONOR ROLL The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. 300 TRIUMPH GUYS ON THIS LIST. THIS WEEK'S HONOR ROLL: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER BOB KRAMER CHARLES WATSON BOB DAVIS These are unsolicited donations Checks to: Friends of Triumph.....I maintain an account under that name. PAYPAL = N197TR4 at CS.COM Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Sep 14 08:49:14 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP FEATURED IN "TRIUMPH WORLD" Message-ID: <8CF609F3E09CD2E-BA4-63F00@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> UK's "TRIUMPH WORLD" did a three page feature on the KASTNER CUP at THE MITTY. It is an outstanding article with text and pictures by John Clancy. Thank you John! John and his wife have been invited to the 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America next September and it is their current plan to join us. John, of course, produced "CALIFORNIA AIR" and several other TRIUMPH DVDs. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Sep 14 13:03:31 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND Message-ID: <8CF60C2C4090792-BA4-6596E@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Iowa based HALKIAS fan club will be at Road America to support Sam Halkias....in small way. SEAN BRENDAN JOE Anyone else going to join us? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 13:11:15 2012 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND In-Reply-To: <8CF60C2C4090792-BA4-6596E@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF60C2C4090792-BA4-6596E@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1347649875.30898.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yeap; where do you plan on watching from? ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:03 PM Subject: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND Iowa based HALKIAS fan club will be at Road America to support Sam Halkias....in small way. SEAN BRENDAN JOE Anyone else going to join us? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From mmoore at wave1.net Fri Sep 14 17:33:53 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:33:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Austin Healey Help Message-ID: <000601cd92d1$671d8360$35588a20$@net> Not a Triumph, but he is my dad, and he needs a right front axle for his Austin Healey 3000 Mk III. Does anyone have an idea where he could look for one, as you cannot buy a new one? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Sep 14 17:42:43 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:42:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Austin Healey Help In-Reply-To: <000601cd92d1$671d8360$35588a20$@net> References: <000601cd92d1$671d8360$35588a20$@net> Message-ID: Try sports car craftsmen in Denver co. Ask for Paul. Jim g Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > Not a Triumph, but he is my dad, and he needs a right front axle for his > Austin Healey 3000 Mk III. > > > > Does anyone have an idea where he could look for one, as you cannot buy a > new one? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Sep 15 12:14:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT ARTIST WANTED 2013 KASTNER CUP POSTER AT ROAD AMERICA Message-ID: <8CF6185185A6662-1DC4-B2F07@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH, Looking for contributing artist for our FOT/VTR POSTER SERIES for the 11th RUNNING OF THE KASTNER CUP.. past artists have been: BLAKE DISCHER GREG PETROLATI STEVE BELFER The poster series has been a collaboration between the FOT AND THE VTR for the past several years. It is produced by Joe Pawlak (ISOA) at his material cost and paid for by VTR. Posters are distributed free to FOT and VTR members as an event premium for those who are able to attend.. Simplicity is key as it will also likely be used on our event shirts. Additional value is achieved by using this image to advertize and promote the Kastner Cup throughout the year. This is another example of how we operate without a need for large cash outlays...... THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Sep 16 00:55:48 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 petro injection Message-ID: <1347778548.2781.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: There is an entire petro system for a TR5-6 available in Salado, TX. http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/3177433387.html NFI! Thanks - Ed From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Sep 16 01:00:51 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 4.55/1 diff Message-ID: <1347778851.49643.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: While clearing stuff off the pallet racks in the shop I came upon a 4.55/1 Spitfire diff. This is the complete third member minus the rear cover and stub axles, although I have plenty of those on the shelf. VGC! Great for autox! If anyone is interested email me. Thanks - Ed From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun Sep 16 15:51:09 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:51:09 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re TR6 petro injection Message-ID: i can probably help with a complete system but I'm in Australia Terry From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 16 16:44:53 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:44:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe Message-ID: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> ...Alexander. Hope you had a good day. Dennis&Joan From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 17:35:51 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:35:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 for sale - Around $2500-$3000 Message-ID: <50566257.6050409@gmail.com> I was recently approached by a guy who decided to put his 1957 TR3 up for sale. He has had it for a number of years & decided to rebuild it. According to him the engine & rest of the drive train is done and I think he said the suspension was done. Anyway he went through a divorce, kept the car but lost the garage. The car has been sitting outside under a tarp for a couple of years. Since he can't find a garage for it he has decided to sell it. The body needs cleaning up and painting and it needs an interior. He has a bunch of new parts for the car. The car is located a couple miles South of Flagstaff off # 17. For details, call Jerry at 928-607-5018 TeriAnn From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 16 17:58:47 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:58:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe In-Reply-To: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> References: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <505667B7.7020506@bradakis.com> Dennis Delap wrote: > ...Alexander. > > Hope you had a good day. > Dennis&Joan > _______________________________________________ I'll certainly second that! mjb. From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Sep 16 18:59:21 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe In-Reply-To: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <894605216.1705188.1347843561304.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yes indeed, Happy Birthday, Joe. H ope you had a good day. Thanks for the reminder, Dennis. D&D in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Delap" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:44:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe ...Alexander. Hope you had a good day. Dennis&Joan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Sep 17 07:03:30 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation In-Reply-To: <8CF60934F08DA22-BA4-636BD@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <8CF60934F08DA22-BA4-636BD@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF62EBF7351992-1EC0-7098B@webmail-m011.sysops.aol.com> Add contributors to the list: DAVE HOGYE BRAD AND SUSAN KAHLER JEFF SNOOK Thanks guys................... If you are a commercial entity and on this list, your involvement is welcome, too. The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. 300 TRIUMPH GUYS ON THIS LIST. From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 09:14:25 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:14:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Message-ID: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. Replace guides and all valves. 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover collapsed piston (called by Kas). 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & sleeves. Install that night. 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how large the class was!) 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be done without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, (Neil's Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a close second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. Thanks gang! The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 Spitfire. My little anguish-list above appears inconsequential compared to the nose damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 10:03:05 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:03:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> Message-ID: Awesome replay of a hard fought and successful outing filled with challenges... Thanks for sharing and congrats! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-17, at 11:15 AM, "Richard Taylor" wrote: > ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 > > > > 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. > Replace guides and all valves. > > 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep > stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. > > 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover > collapsed piston (called by Kas). > > 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & > sleeves. Install that night. > > 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 > miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). > > 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic > pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. > > 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken > wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. > > 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute > race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. > > 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings > from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. > > 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how > large the class was!) > > 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up > trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. > > > > As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be done > without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, (Neil's > Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a close > second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. > > > > Thanks gang! > > > > The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 Spitfire. My > little anguish-list above appears inconsequential compared to the nose > damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Sep 17 10:09:58 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:09:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> Message-ID: Gee, Richard given the date on your post, are you predicting this is what is gona happen to you or is this what happened this past weekend at the HSR event? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Vince G Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:03 PM To: Richard Taylor Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Road Atlanta Awesome replay of a hard fought and successful outing filled with challenges... Thanks for sharing and congrats! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-17, at 11:15 AM, "Richard Taylor" wrote: > ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 > > > > 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. > Replace guides and all valves. > > 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep > stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. > > 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover > collapsed piston (called by Kas). > > 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & > sleeves. Install that night. > > 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 > miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). > > 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic > pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. > > 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken > wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. > > 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute > race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. > > 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings > from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. > > 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how > large the class was!) > > 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up > trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. > > > > As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be > done without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, > (Neil's > Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a > close second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. > > > > Thanks gang! > > > > The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 > Spitfire. My little anguish-list above appears inconsequential > compared to the nose damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Sep 17 13:41:01 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car HOW TO POST AN ALERT In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE5AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE5AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CF6323801EDFE0-85C-7707F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> This comes from Scott Barr, Esq Hi Joe, I wanted to get this info through to the list. I still canbt post directly to the list and Ibve been sitting on this info since July waiting to get put back on the list. Would you mind posting this for me? In the event of future race car thefts, a first step would be to go to www.scraptheftalert.com and post regarding the theft. This site sends an automatic alert to scrap yards within 100 miles of the site of the theft. Scott From: Vicki A. Kerry [mailto:goldiniron at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:15 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: RE: FW: [Fot] Stolen Race Car You can just go to www.scraptheftalert.com From there you can do whatever you want. You can register to receive notices, search different areas via zip or even state, scan for specific items...pretty much whatever you want. Hopefully this helps. If not, let me know and I can further investigate. Make it a GREAT day, Vicki A. Kerry Goldin Iron & Metal Recycling Corp. 300 Farmland Drive Kaukauna, WI 54130 (920)766-4201 From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Sep 17 14:24:58 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Bud, I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so I can't just measure them in the bin. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ From: Bud Rolofson To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for the > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This is one > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is better. > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 14:37:31 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:37:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> Message-ID: <018e01cd9514$43eb6fc0$cbc24f40$@net> All I missed was the month? This is hard evidence proving that one of the imperatives of a weekend of challenges is to disassociate ourselves from the hard edges of everyday reality. Last night, as I drove home on a balmy October night with the top down, I'm not sure I could have gotten my birth date right. By noon tomorrow, unfortunately, the high will have worn off and I'll get back to worrying about what time it is. Hell, maybe I'll even roll back time and do September again. It's my choice! Richard -----Original Message----- From: john hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:10 PM To: 'Vince G'; 'Richard Taylor' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Road Atlanta Gee, Richard given the date on your post, are you predicting this is what is gona happen to you or is this what happened this past weekend at the HSR event? John H. Hasty From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Sep 17 15:11:19 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:11:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8013C32AA5EA44E8A03AFD08277EB7BA@hpd530> Pegasus sells an item called Stat-O-Seal. They work great; an aluminum washer with a built in inner seal. PN 3245-5/16 for the TR6; around $1.60 each. Other sizes go from #6 to 1". They work great. I gave one to a Corvette guy at the Glen last weekend and it fixed his problem. 800 688-6946 or PegasusAutoRacing.com NFI Hope this helps. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: "Bud Rolofson" ; "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > Hi Bud, > > I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I > called a Honda > parts dept. and they say that this is not a good number for > them. Do you have > any other particulars such as a Honda model that uses > them, etc? They also say > they need to order them so I can't just measure > them in the bin. > > > Thanks, Jim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Bud Rolofson > To: Mark J Bradakis > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] > Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > > That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've > had great luck stopping leaks out the > cover bolt holes with these. > > > Bud > Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for the >> > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down >> > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This is one >> > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is better. >> > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. >> >> mjb. >> > _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Sep 17 16:36:12 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:36:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <040B1BE9-FD48-4283-A363-3636CC2BD8F5@comcast.net> They are a Honda motorcycle part number. I'm guessing you tried Honda auto parts. I didn't really say that did I? My bad. Mark made reference to a Gold Wing so I was in the motorcycle mode already. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:24 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Hi Bud, > > I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I > called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good > number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda > model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so > I can't just measure them in the bin. > > Thanks, Jim > > From: Bud Rolofson > To: Mark J Bradakis > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > > That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping > leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit > for the > > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down > > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This > is one > > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is > better. > > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. > > > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 17 17:51:47 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:51:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car HOW TO POST AN ALERT In-Reply-To: <8CF6323801EDFE0-85C-7707F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE5AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CF6323801EDFE0-85C-7707F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5057B793.9080300@bradakis.com> > I wanted to get this info through to the list. I still can't post directly to the list and I've been > sitting on this info since July waiting to get put back on the list. Wen you send a message that gets rejected you should get a response back indicating the nature of the problem. What does it say? There seems to be no record of any of your attempts in the admin logs for the list. mjb. From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Sep 17 18:00:58 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket In-Reply-To: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact surface on the block in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less violent. PO thought he would glue this thing forever. Thanks, Jim From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 18:33:43 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:33:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket In-Reply-To: <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5057C167.4000605@gmail.com> On 9/17/12 5:00 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact surface on the block > in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less violent. PO > thought he would glue this thing forever. Thanks, Jim When old gaskets are reluctant to vacate I like to use a rotary brush on a drill. It has always worked like a charm for me. I like to follow it up with a solvent to prepare the surfaces for whatever I goop du jour intend to slather on afterwords. TeriAnn From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Sep 17 19:39:21 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:39:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket In-Reply-To: <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <029c01cd953e$6dc7bd10$0601a8c0@randall> > Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact > surface on the block > in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less > violent. I've been using Loctite "Chisel" gasket remover. Comes in a rattle can instead of brush, and is kind of pricy and slow. Still works better than anything else I've found. http://goo.gl/mCvnl Looks like the active ingredient is mostly methylene chloride, so the old "aircraft" paint stripper might work as well, if you can still find the MC-based stuff. -- Randall From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Sep 18 17:57:56 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1BE1F2B6A7BF441F8AE8F0D0D28C0AFC@TER2> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, ,,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>,, , ,<001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , ,<003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , ,<004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , ,<005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84 ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com><1347913498.56821.Y ahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <040B1BE9-FD48-4283-A363-3636CC2BD8F5@comcast.net> <1BE1F2B6A7BF441F8AE8F0D0D28C0AFC@TER2> Message-ID: <1348012676.31093.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greg, what does the Mazda part look like? Is the rubber portion shaped like the Honda part? Jim ________________________________ From: Greg Solow To: Bud Rolofson ; sherry robyn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 3:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover The best valve cover bolt seals we have found for any of the TR engines that have 5/16" studs comming up through the valve cover is a Maxda part # 0324-10-237. They are a steel washer with a rubber seal bonded to the bottom of it. The steel is ridged enough to distribute the load and help prevent distorting the valve cover. they seal perfectly and are inexpensive. They can be used over and over again may times. We sell them for $2.87 each. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" To: "sherry robyn" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > They are a Honda motorcycle part number. I'm guessing you tried Honda > auto parts. I didn't really say that did I? My bad. Mark made > reference to a Gold Wing so I was in the motorcycle mode already. > > > Bud > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:24 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Hi Bud, >> >> I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I >> called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good >> number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda >> model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so >> I can't just measure them in the bin. >> >> Thanks, Jim >> >> From: Bud Rolofson >> To: Mark J Bradakis >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover >> >> That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping >> leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. >> >> >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> >> > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit >> for the >> > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down >> > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This >> is one >> > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is >> better. >> > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. >> > >> > mjb. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 19 08:04:49 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:04:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 19 08:23:28 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Message-ID: <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Sep 19 08:27:44 2012 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: <18702a25.a5d67.139deed6a8e.Webtop.13@optonline.net> Classic! On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. > Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for > gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as > buying > gold! > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. > Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From keithfiles at btinternet.com Wed Sep 19 08:39:10 2012 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:39:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6660D755-DAB4-459B-B742-E12AD5C51BA1@btinternet.com> Historic racing AND modern racing i.e. supporting Josh, great fun but rubbish for the bank account. Somebody once asked how you became a millionaire through racing, answer; start of a multi millionaire.... Sent from my iPad On 19 Sep 2012, at 15:23, Joe Alexander wrote: > VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Taylor > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am > Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying > gold! > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 09:28:34 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:28:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Now this I would have to agree with! LOL Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-19, at 10:24 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Taylor > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am > Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying > gold! > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 09:44:50 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:44:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Sep 19 10:24:45 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:24:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Message-ID: I will defer to Roger Penske who reportedly said that to make a million dollars in racing you have to start with two million. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 > www.taylor-architecture.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 19 13:08:33 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:08:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net><8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> Message-ID: <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 13:09:37 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 13:15:28 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:15:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: Send me a post card... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-19, at 3:08 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Sep 19 13:24:10 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:24:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: John, Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 though... Rather... were they were over 18? Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Sep 19 13:32:36 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Message-ID: <8CF64B4A87A687D-1154-C0A9@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. (There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green conditions". Entry fee: $515.00 Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 Misc.: about $200.00 Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America is $2000/lap. If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a "normal" weekend. Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. I think I should work in Government accounting. John -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is 1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying old! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S .+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite 96 tlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 ww.taylor-architecture.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 13:35:19 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <1348083319.98724.YahooMailNeo@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the creative Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. From the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls strolled around the paddock. Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: Jason Ostrowski >To: john hasty >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > >John, >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? >Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. >And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 >though... >Rather... were they were over 18? > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here >> the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) >> is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the >> message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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I'm not dead yet! On 9/19/12 2:35 PM, "Gary Schneider" wrote: I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the creative Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. From the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls strolled around the paddock. Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: Jason Ostrowski >To: john hasty >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > >John, >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? >Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. >And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 >though... >Rather... were they were over 18? > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here >> the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) >> is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the >> message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 13:54:15 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1348083319.98724.YahooMailNeo@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> <1348083319.98724.YahooMailNeo@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I can see right now I am racing at the wrong tracks, example..Roebling Roads Raceway...no spectators allowed...Gold Cup at VIR ...alot of old race cars that attract alot of old people that remember the old cars....where are all the girls !! That's the "pits"....ha ..ha a good thing that everyone is having fun ! On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: > I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the > creative > Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. > From > the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls > strolled > around the paddock. > Gary Schneider > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > From: Jason Ostrowski > >To: john hasty > > >Cc: fot at autox.team.net > >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, > 2012 2:24 PM > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > >John, > >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? > >Sure maybe they > weren't showering you with kisses. > >And..the question there was not weather or > not they were younger than 65 > >though... > >Rather... were they were over 18? > > > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > > > >Jason Ostrowski > >Friendly Ghost Racing > > > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, > john hasty wrote: > > > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to > Germany. At the races I've been to here > >> the women are all over 65, fully > clothed and no kisses. > >> > >> > >> John H. Hasty > >> Attorney At Law > >> Guthrie, > Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > >> 719 East Boulevard > >> Charlotte, North > Carolina 28203-5113 > >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 > >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 > >> E-mail: > jhhasty at gdhs.com > >> www.gdhs.com > >> > >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > This message (and any attachments) > >> is > >> intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that > >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, > and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > >> If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >> dissemination of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > >> received this > communication in error, please erase all copies of the > >> message > >> and its > attachments and notify us immediately. 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The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 14:26:28 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:26:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> Government accounting is right if you get 84 laps. 7 laps per session, 2 sessions per day for 3 days only works out to 42 laps by my math. But, at Road America, that is 168 miles so on the per mile basis... Ouch, my head hurts from the calculations. :-) Cheers, -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad John Houlton wrote: >Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: > >Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. >(There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green >conditions". > >Entry fee: $515.00 >Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 >Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 >Misc.: about $200.00 > >Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend > >So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America >is $2000/lap. > >If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day >for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup >race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a >"normal" weekend. > >Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, >given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small >investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment >anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have >run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a >return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends >to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, >and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. > >I think I should work in Government accounting. > >John > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Taylor >To: fot >Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am >Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > >Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > >Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of >edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is >1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying >old! > > >Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA >TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > >blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S >.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite >96 >tlanta, Georgia, 30307 >tel: >blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >4)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 >fax: (404) 223-1312 >mobile: >blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >4)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > >ww.taylor-architecture.com >______________________________________________ >ot at autox.team.net >http://www.fot-racing.com >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >orums: http://www.team.net/forums >nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 15:11:29 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:11:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <000901cd96ab$57d25ab0$07771010$@com> Damned! Found no photos! But a video of mine: https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/5350206798884334 209/5490849592001845394?banner=pwa -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: tr4racing at googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. September 2012 22:02 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; john hasty; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: AW: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy BTW.... The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Sep 19 15:28:15 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> References: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> Message-ID: <8CF64C4CFF5D8C5-998-BDAF@webmail-d155.sysops.aol.com> Oops, your right Doug. I meant 4 sessions, two morning, two afternoon. But close enough for government work. What the heck, it's the THEORY that is sound, not those pesky numbers. They always get in the way. Like facts. John -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell To: John Houlton Cc: tarch ; Fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 3:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Government accounting is right if you get 84 laps. 7 laps per session, 2 essions per day for 3 days only works out to 42 laps by my math. But, at Road merica, that is 168 miles so on the per mile basis... Ouch, my head hurts from he calculations. :-) Cheers, -- oug Mitchell mitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad John Houlton wrote: >Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. (There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green conditions". Entry fee: $515.00 Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 Misc.: about $200.00 Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America is $2000/lap. If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a "normal" weekend. Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. I think I should work in Government accounting. John -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is 1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying old! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S .+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite 96 tlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 ww.taylor-architecture.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 19 17:08:04 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <8CF64D2C203C2AD-B6C-F3B9@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Good job Jason! Grid Girls are being discussed as well as some interesting videography. ROAD AMERICA'S KASTNER CUP will be memorable. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: john hasty Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy John, Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 though... Rather... were they were over 18? Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Sep 19 17:41:24 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:41:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Message-ID: Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 19 18:21:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF64DD0279E1CD-B6C-FAFD@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Good information....we will be there. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:42 pm Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed Sep 19 18:36:15 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:36:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505A64FF.6060904@bradakis.com> Attending the Runoffs has been on my To Do list for 30 - 40 years. Some day... I should probably start saving my pennies for next year's Kastner Cup, another goal to achieve. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Sep 19 19:16:38 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:16:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> References: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> Message-ID: <505A6E76.80401@bradakis.com> Every now and again an "investment guide" shows up on the net. Basically it invests $1000 each in various stocks and buys $1000 worth of cheap beer in aluminum cans. After one year each of the stocks is worth less than the amount you'd get by recycling those beer cans. Finance can be fun! mjb. From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Sep 20 07:47:51 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: <505A64FF.6060904@bradakis.com> References: <505A64FF.6060904@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Attending the Runoffs has been on my To Do list for 30 - 40 years. Some > day... > > I should probably start saving my pennies for next year's Kastner Cup, > another > goal to achieve. Mark - I'm pretty sure the SCCA Runoffs will be the week following the ELVF event / Kastner Kup. All you have to do is figure out how to hang around for a couple of days. Heck, if you have SCCA F&C credentials, you can probably flag TUE or WED and get in for free (including free camping for SCCA workers. Such a deal! I'm trying out how to swing the Solo Nats (with Khartu) the first week of SEP 2013 and then the Kastner Cup AND at least some of the Runoffs week. "Hello, Boss? I'm taking next SEPTEMBER off." But it's a good starting point for negotiations, if nothing else. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Sep 20 07:49:04 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:49:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: Ah! Dijon-Prenois I believe the French F1 was held there several times, but I expect the town is better known for its Moutarde de Dijon. Perhaps if you first stroke La Chouette, with your left hand of course, those cute, under 65, gals will favor you with their kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:02 PM To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; john hasty; fot at autox.team.net Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy BTW.... The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From stlnyc at msn.com Thu Sep 20 19:28:43 2012 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:28:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 Pictures In-Reply-To: <2A6EB37FB96C3347B9DF1C6CD144356CF469C7@kcexch01.koelbel.local> References: , <2A6EB37FB96C3347B9DF1C6CD144356CF469C7@kcexch01.koelbel.local> Message-ID: Amici- Posting this for Silvio as he has not been able to post it himself. NFI personally. Fred Hodgson > Subject: FW: TR3 Pictures > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:10:56 -0600 > From: silvio at koelbelco.com > To: autowizards at msn.com; stlnyc at msn.com > > Fred, > This is the link to the photos of the TR3 that James set up online. > This is one of the earliest TR3s out there. I think the serial number > is under 10,000. > We would like to get $3,000 for the car. Can you help me by getting it > posted on FOT? > I plan to post is on Craigslist and VTR tonight. > Thanks, > Silvio > > Silvio DeBartolomeis > Vice President of Sales and Marketing > Koelbel and Company > 303-995-6363 > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Scott DeBartolomeis [mailto:jdebarto at mymail.mines.edu] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:14 PM > To: Silvio DeBartolomeis > Subject: TR3 Pictures > > http://s1147.photobucket.com/albums/o550/jdebart/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ24 From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Sep 20 19:58:28 2012 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:58:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SOLD! FW: TR3 Pictures In-Reply-To: References: , <2A6EB37FB96C3347B9DF1C6CD144356CF469C7@kcexch01.koelbel.local> Message-ID: <1E52C6F4-1B9E-49CF-B090-417ECB6494F3@earthlink.net> Hello all, I was going to wait until I have it home to post, but I'll be bringing the poor little TR home on Saturday. Thanks so much for the tip TeriAnne! I'll update soon. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Sep 20, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > Amici- > > Posting this for Silvio as he has not been able to post it > himself. NFI > personally. > > Fred Hodgson > > >> Subject: FW: TR3 Pictures >> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:10:56 -0600 >> From: silvio at koelbelco.com >> To: autowizards at msn.com; stlnyc at msn.com >> >> Fred, >> This is the link to the photos of the TR3 that James set up online. >> This is one of the earliest TR3s out there. I think the serial number >> is under 10,000. >> We would like to get $3,000 for the car. Can you help me by >> getting it >> posted on FOT? >> I plan to post is on Craigslist and VTR tonight. >> Thanks, >> Silvio >> >> Silvio DeBartolomeis >> Vice President of Sales and Marketing >> Koelbel and Company >> 303-995-6363 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Scott DeBartolomeis [mailto:jdebarto at mymail.mines.edu] >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:14 PM >> To: Silvio DeBartolomeis >> Subject: TR3 Pictures >> >> http://s1147.photobucket.com/albums/o550/jdebart/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ24 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Fri Sep 21 08:26:23 2012 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:26:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link Message-ID: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage racing crowd. Enjoy. http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Sep 21 09:05:43 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:05:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link In-Reply-To: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> References: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: There are some really good photos there, thanks. John On Fri, September 21, 2012 10:26 am, MORDY DUNST wrote: > CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from > various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage > racing crowd. Enjoy. > > http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Sep 21 10:01:56 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:01:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link In-Reply-To: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> References: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: THANK YOU!!! Terrific collection. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: MORDY DUNST Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:26 AM To: FOT Cc: editor at vintageracecar.com Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage racing crowd. Enjoy. http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 20:48:53 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:48:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cool 1961 Le Mans movie by Triumph Message-ID: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> In case you haven't seen this. Ty http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=VGfQOLFHgYE Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 22 19:36:55 2012 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1348364215.56559.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The day started cold and wet but by race time it was just cold. It was not a notable day for Triumph racing. Sam Halkias was up with the front runners in EP until he got tagged which broke something in the rear causing Sam to do a very interesting 180 snap spin approaching Turn 5 putting him on the trailer earlier than scheduled. In GTL Steve Sargis started up front battling with the leaders until he pulled off with mechanical issues. From beginning to end today's GTL race was the best I have ever seen; lead changes several times each lap with Prather out powering Lentz to the checker winning by the nonexistant perverbal bumper or 0.023 seconds. It would have been nice if Sam and Steve could have finished as they were both very competitive. Tomorrow is the HP and FP race; hopefully more great performances by the Triumphs. ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Sep 23 05:20:16 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:20:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 6H of Spa In-Reply-To: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> References: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801cd997d$6a12ef80$3e38ce80$@com> If that won't make you jealous! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUIGGZhpAzY&feature=youtu.be 108 cars on the grid. Cheers Chris From cwnfot at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 08:51:45 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] App for race timing and scoring Message-ID: <001301cd999a$f422d830$dc688890$@com> I don't know if this was already discussed. If you have a smart phone or tablet, there is an App to link directly into the timing and scoring computers of participating events, such as the SCCA RunOffs. Race Monitor. Costs $5 and well worth it. We pit marshals at Lime Rock use it at events to keep track of race winners for victory laps and awards. Heck, I kept track of the HP race while watching F1 on the TV just now. Not only SCCA events, marquee club events, vintage racing, whatever, wherever!! Check it out. http://race-monitor.com/ Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Sep 23 09:45:41 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:45:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 6H of Spa In-Reply-To: <505f0b7e.66bd440a.573b.fffffc7bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> <002801cd997d$6a12ef80$3e38ce80$@com> <505f0b7e.66bd440a.573b.fffffc7bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <003001cd99a2$7e1576e0$7a4064a0$@com> Best Triumph 28th. Best MGB 20th http://www.ris-timing.be/~circuit//6hspa/2012/2012_SPA_SIX_HOURS_2012_1_Spa_ Six_Hours_Endurance_Race.pdf At 06:20 AM 9/23/2012, you wrote: >If that won't make you jealous! > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUIGGZhpAzY&feature=youtu.be > >108 cars on the grid. > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 11:56:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> STICKERS FLAGS SHIRTS MEDALLIONS ETC. John Hasty, et. al. I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to do any funding. We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'Joe Alexander' ; rblake36 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:49 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I know how it feels. Last year we went all the way up to Mosport from Charlotte only to brake a rod in the 2nd practice session.....certainly something to be avoided. Joe....are there any FOT stickers left? With the re-do of both the right and left sides of my car needed after Mid Ohio, I have lost the ones I had. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:33 AM To: rblake36 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Sorry to hear of these MECHANICAL MALADIES. BTW, it turned out that Jerry Barker's fuel supplies in his RV/Hauler trailer had lines switched from his genset to the race gas by an RV service center. He was running street gas in his Spitfire and that caused his failures at the Mitty. For myself, I have installed a bone stock TR4 engine in the AMBRO and hope to run it midpack and reliably next season. Alexander Racing isnt in a position to deal with two race engines, and we hope to return to the track in 2013 with maximum track time at the lowest expense, with the TR4 and the AMBRO. I sometimes think we ask too much of this old equipment.....especially as amateurs who do most of the work ourselves. Money is likely well spent on the suspension.....all that HP is no good if you cant go around the corners. I must be getting old. But I dont want to tow to Mosport and Road America and then return home with tortured metal. Something to think about. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:11 am Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Sun Sep 23 13:31:20 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 12:31:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] RE; El Kablamo! Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB017733E4D596@TITAN.dwholdings.local> The engine builder; Jim Clark in MN has offered to rebuild the motor for us. He's already found a block, and I'm in the midst of pulling the blown lump and crating it up to ship to him. Will keep you posted on how he does... Ed Dunn From kaskas at cox.net Sun Sep 23 14:49:08 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:49:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Race in Las Vegas Message-ID: Who is planning on this race? Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 23 16:13:16 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:13:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race in Las Vegas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505F897C.9080102@bradakis.com> Kas Kastner wrote: > Who is planning on this race? > > A road trip to Vegas would be nice, but I don't think I'll make it. If the race were closer to the end of the month, maybe I could have done it. mjb. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Sep 23 17:21:53 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:21:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3E788F15-8513-446C-8F2D-68F98ACE7ABB@aol.com> I still have badges and flags available. Let me know if your interested Chris On Sep 11, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > STICKERS > FLAGS > SHIRTS > MEDALLIONS > ETC. > > John Hasty, et. al. > > I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the > past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to > do any funding. > > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as > in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of > Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. > > I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. > > But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP > will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses > beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and > 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. > > John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 20:44:16 2012 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 22:44:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] App for race timing and scoring In-Reply-To: <001301cd999a$f422d830$dc688890$@com> References: <001301cd999a$f422d830$dc688890$@com> Message-ID: I was introduced to this app at lime rock this weekend and was excited all weekend with "watching" the run offs and sargis today. Waiting for replay to come onto speed cast now. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2012, at 10:51 AM, "Clark W. Nicholls" wrote: > I don't know if this was already discussed. > > If you have a smart phone or tablet, there is an App to link directly into > the timing and scoring computers of participating events, such as the SCCA > RunOffs. > Race Monitor. Costs $5 and well worth it. > > We pit marshals at Lime Rock use it at events to keep track of race winners > for victory laps and awards. Heck, I kept track of the HP race while > watching F1 on the TV just now. > > Not only SCCA events, marquee club events, vintage racing, whatever, > wherever!! > > Check it out. > > http://race-monitor.com/ > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Sep 24 08:25:07 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:25:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] thread tap size Message-ID: <20120924142507.TITS0.261943.root@cdptpa-web31-z01.mail.rr.com> Having a senior moment. Does anyone know the thread size for head bolts and main bearing caps for the TR3-4 engine? From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Sep 24 08:38:30 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:38:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA Message-ID: <2534EB63F3DF4CD1B45F7EF909E135FF@gdhs.local> I 'spose everyone has the news by now, but SVRA has purchased HSR-West... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Sep 24 09:39:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDING and THE OSTHOFF HOST HOTEL FOR KCUP 2013??? Message-ID: <8CF6881ED76CA29-1850-199FA@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I came back from the RUNOFFS to find more submittals for the FUND. Generosity abounds and is greatly appreciated. I will summarize and list the names when I catch up. While at the RUNOFFs I visited with sales at the OSTHOFF. The OSTHOFF is the prime candidate for HOST HOTEL. Their proposal has already appeared on my computer for review...when I get time. The OSTHOFF is the location of the ANNUAL CAR SHOW for the ELVF. The OSTHOFF has 1-2-3 Bedroom Suites available. This means that you can get two or more couples together or several of your closest friends and get the price down to 'normal' or even less. I have done this in the past and it is a very pleasant way to spend a vintage race weekend. The historic Siebkens is right next door and an opportunity to visit the well attended bar area. The FOT sticker is nicely planted in there now, as well. Siebkens is also a candidate for accommodations and has new construction in rooms. More later......thanks again for the funding. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Sep 24 09:47:17 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:47:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms Message-ID: Andy is one of the drivers of the orange TR-3 that has joined us in VSCDA at Blackhawk and Road America. They are experiencing some handling issues with their car and Andy would like to be able to lean on the collective wisdom of this group. I've offered to help mentor them, and would like to see them be successful. Do I hear a second? Mark B.: Andy Willms awillms at estatecounselors.com Thanks, Tony Drews From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 09:51:08 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms In-Reply-To: <20120924154424.1E7942D0864@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1348501868.49800.YahooMailClassic@web162204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'll second the motion! Welcome Andy Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Mon, 9/24/12, Tony Drews wrote: > From: Tony Drews > Subject: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Monday, September 24, 2012, 3:47 PM > Andy is one of the drivers of the > orange TR-3 that has joined us in VSCDA at Blackhawk and > Road America. They are experiencing some handling > issues with their car and Andy would like to be able to lean > on the collective wisdom of this group. I've offered > to help mentor them, and would like to see them be > successful. > > Do I hear a second? > > Mark B.: > Andy Willms > awillms at estatecounselors.com > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Sep 24 10:28:22 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:28:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Need a contact Message-ID: Mike Munson will you please contact me. Thanks. Never be beaten by equipment From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 17:31:42 2012 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 588-020_Clutch line_Triumph In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FD5F65B9@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FD5F65B9@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: FOT FYI, I received the attached instructions from Moss Motors regarding the universal flare used on their aftermarket hydraulic pipes. This flare works on either bubble or double flare applications. My application involved a TR4 clutch master cylinder to slave cylinder pipe using part number 588-020. The OEM pipe had a bubble flare on the master cylinder end and a double flare on the slave cylinder end. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ken Hyndman Date: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:21 PM Subject: 588-020_Clutch line_Triumph To: "johnstydo at gmail.com" ** John, I have attached some information on the universal fittings. I would suggest you install the line you have and secure it in place and it should conform to the proper flare and not leak. Do contact me if it does not work but you will be able to return it if needed as per my authorization. Kind regards, Ken Hyndman (1962 Austin Cooper 997 cc) Tech Services Moss Motors, LTD. 800-667-7872 ext 3752 hyndmank at mossmotors.com****** *Please use the REPLY function when responding to an email received from me. * *Moss Motors, Ltd. is not liable for injury or damage due to incorrect installation or use of their products. All products are sold with the understanding that the safe and proper installation and use of the products is the customer's responsibility. This Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.* [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of 980-346_Universal Flare_Supplemental Information.pdf] From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 18:53:06 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:53:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Float Gasket for SU H2S carb Message-ID: <88E8731D-0E7E-4152-8712-BA3020B1629B@comcast.net> Anyone have a spare float gasket for a SU H2S carb they would sell me. Mark Eaton lent me a manifold and set of SU H2S carbs but one float gasket is missing and I don't want to buy a whole kit to get it. Looks like this: http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Float%20Gasket%20for%20SU%20H2S%20carb/ Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 21:25:44 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:25:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Float Gasket for SU H2S carb In-Reply-To: <88E8731D-0E7E-4152-8712-BA3020B1629B@comcast.net> References: <88E8731D-0E7E-4152-8712-BA3020B1629B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8D6CC27E-F6B0-4898-B92C-FE43D993D6D4@comcast.net> I think I found a gasket I can use. Thermostat gasket for a TR4 is almost a perfect inner diameter and thickness. I can cut the rest away. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Sep 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > Anyone have a spare float gasket for a SU H2S carb they would sell > me. Mark Eaton lent me a manifold and set of SU H2S carbs but one > float gasket is missing and I don't want to buy a whole kit to get it. > > Looks like this: > > http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Float%20Gasket%20for%20SU%20H2S%20carb/ > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 22:23:49 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:23:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Now I've done it. Message-ID: <073FCB6E-DEEC-42FB-9B7F-5903E7B2AF6B@comcast.net> Took delivery on a 1971 Spitfire Mark IV race car the other day. The car came out of New Jersey. It was a race car from day one and never was registered/licensed to run on the streets. It came with a SCCA log book from the 70's and it's first race, other than the Bryar Driver's School and the St Citie Drivers School? in late 1972, was at SCR (whatever that is) in September of 1973. The car was raced until August 1979 (last log entry) at various tracks on the East coast including Lime Rock, Maars, Watkins Glen, BridgeHampton, and Fingerlakes? so it has some race history. Don't know any more from then to now. The guy I bought it from purchased it a couple years ago and got it real close to race condition but then had a partner bail on him. So he sold it to me. I posted a pic of the Log Book and the car when it was raced back in the 70's along with some present pics on: http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/1971%20Spitfire%20Mark%20IV%20Race%20Car/ Been sorting some things out with the help of Mark Eden, and Jim Gray so that has been great. It came with a Weber downdraft but I'm trying out some other setups thanks to Mark. Two SU H2S and a 40DCOE18 setup are both in the works for some testing. It's got it's flaws but I'm looking forward to doing what I can to make it better and having a lot of fun to share with the list. Thanks Bud P.S. Anyone want to buy a really nice TR4A project car (Below). It's the white car in one of the pics. 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 09:23:20 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:23:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Now I've done it. In-Reply-To: <073FCB6E-DEEC-42FB-9B7F-5903E7B2AF6B@comcast.net> References: <073FCB6E-DEEC-42FB-9B7F-5903E7B2AF6B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005501cd9bfa$dd279320$9776b960$@com> MARRS is a race series, not a track, down around Washington DC region. Could be Summit Point, Pocono, ??? Fingerlakes is an SCCA region, probably at Watkins Glen track. Bryar is now New Hampshire Motor Speedway or International Speedway or whatever... St Citie is probably Steel Cities, another SCCA region near Pittsburgh. Didn't see any old photo... Nice looking car, make sure you install a full roll cage with strong side bars!!! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Sep 26 14:20:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cheap generator FYI Message-ID: Today's Aldi grocery store ad includes a "Workzone 3250 watt 196 cc Portable Generator" for $229.99. I picked one up, we'll see if it's worth anything. Looks like it will run a 20 amp 120 v circuit. It's not light, I can report after loading it into the van. Tony Drews From chasgee at aol.com Wed Sep 26 16:35:44 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 aluminum radiator for sale Message-ID: <8CF6A4E669E0D04-FDC-37AAE@webmail-d134.sysops.aol.com> Hello fellow FOTers, I have a slightly used aluminum radiator for the GT6. It is an exact copy of the stock radiator, but is made of aluminum and has a thicker core. It bolts right in to the stock mounts and uses the stock hose arrangement. I'd like to get $350 for it. Contact me off line if interested. Thanks, Chuck From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Sep 29 11:36:33 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ELVF 2013 FROM JOHN HOULTON CONFIRMATION OF KASTNER CUP DATES In-Reply-To: <8CF6C743E2988A7-B24-52048@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF6C743E2988A7-B24-52048@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF6C801A110CFE-600-56B5E@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com> FOT: See below....planning has been in motion for the KASTNER CUP. Now we have confirmed dates. Road America, VSCDA, and THE FOT is committed to making this KCUP one of the best. Mark your calendar to run "FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC". Joe Alexander Hi Joe, We are confirmed with Road America for Sept 6-8, 2013. We should set a conference call with Mike Kornelli this week or next so we can begin formal promotion before the end of October! John From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Sep 1 06:22:03 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 08:22:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential References: Message-ID: Hi Gang, I sure do enjoy the Rotary lift I installed a couple months ago; press a button and the car goes up. Great! I got it used from a retiring guy I knew. Paid $950 for the lift, but much more for the 6" floor of concrete to set it on! I'm getting too old to roll around on the floor. I'm headed for the Glen next week. Who else is going? Enjoy the weekend. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: "triumph friends" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential > Well I think I reached a new high level of frustration in Triumphing > Today. > Surely there are tools out there to make this a quick and easy job....but > yet again tools I don't have. > I have done a lot of hard and frustrating jobs on these cars over the > years. > But the rear bushing removal and install on a Spit/GT6 diff.has to be one > of the most difficult tasks yet. > Blisters on my hands, 2 ruined hardened sockets, two stripped threaded > rods,no less than 8 heavy washers (2 hardened) destroyed, and two nuts > mangled. > And 1 Nut drenched in sweat with a pounding headache. > > On the plus side, my fresh "home made" locked differential is done and > will > go in the car tonight. > All this for a couple hours of track time at Road America this weekend. > Remind me again why it's so rewarding to be your own mechanic. > Perhaps I'm in the minority of idiots. > If you were going golfing, can you imagine telling your golfing buddies > that you had spent the night before a round of 18 holes....laying on the > floor of your garage floor covered in grease and sweat on the verge of > tears for more hours than you care to count....fixing your 9 iron? > Craziness. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Sep 1 07:32:02 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential Message-ID: <82f69.4d5b731d.3d736852@aol.com> In a message dated 09/01/2012 7:22:21 AM Central Daylight Time, william.tobin31 at verizon.net writes: > Hi Gang, I sure do enjoy the Rotary lift I installed a couple months ago; > > press a button and the car goes up. Great! I got it used from a retiring > guy > I knew. Paid $950 for the lift, but much more for the 6" floor of concrete > > to set it on! I'm getting too old to roll around on the floor. > I'm headed for the Glen next week. Who else is going? > Enjoy the weekend. > Amen to having a lift available to you. We've had ours for about 15 years now, and I put the cars on the lift...even to wax them. Lifts are great. I don't sell engineering, but a four inch (or less +/-) concrete floor might not have to be an issue. I believe you can address such an issue by diamond saw cutting a pair of 24"x24" holes in your existing floor where the anchor bolts need to go, and then digging out a particularly deep pocket 24-30" deep, and using extra long anchor bolts. That's what we did (although I would not be surprised if our floor was not 6" to begin with). I think the lift manufacturer give specific directions as to what will work with their unit. Ours has a 9,000 pound capacity, and we followed their instructions. Again, no engineer, but I think that is far superior to drilling anchor bolts into a 6" concrete floor. The Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team (in all its Glory) will be at the Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival at Road America. We've never missed one. We had raced the September Watkins Glen event for about eighteen years in a row, and we miss not racing there now. Wismer has family right across the border in PA. But when the two events ended up on the same week end to accommodate the SCCA Nationals at Road America, we had to opt'd for our 'home track'. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Sep 1 07:52:11 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential Message-ID: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Sep 1 08:13:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 16:13:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential In-Reply-To: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> References: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> Message-ID: <000201cd884c$0aab1a50$20014ef0$@com> As Bill said: The safest thing would be to ask the lift manufacturer what he recommends for concrete type, if it should be reinforced, which type of anchor bolts. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com Gesendet: Samstag, 1. September 2012 15:52 An: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From donmarshall at nefcom.net Sat Sep 1 08:43:10 2012 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 10:43:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lift, was Damn Differential Message-ID: For those of us without the ceiling height for a 2 or 4 post lift, consider a low rise tire changing type lift instead. I bought an old Rotary PAL7 from a local tire store and it's been great in my garage with 8 ft ceiling. It sits on any level floor without having to be attached, and it lifts the car 24-30 inches off the ground. Since this particular model has an "H" configuration to the lifting base, it pretty much sits right under the frame of the Triumphs and you can reach just about everything from underneath. Of course you have to lie on the floor but at least you can get to stuff. Also, since it seems that 90% of what I do involves the brakes and suspension, it's especially helpful that it lifts the frame and I can take all 4 wheels off without having to use any other equipment or jacks. If I had a choice between this and a regular 4 post lift (with the rails), I'm not sure which I would prefer. I suspect the 2 post setup that lifts the frame is the best of all worlds, but it's not an option for me. Don On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 10:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: > As Bill said: > The safest thing would be to ask the lift manufacturer what he recommends > for concrete type, if it should be reinforced, which type of anchor bolts. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com > Gesendet: Samstag, 1. September 2012 15:52 > An: william.tobin31 at verizon.net; jason at multivintage.com; > fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential > > Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... > > It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms > that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the > four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four > vice two bearing points. > > Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" > (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead > of two. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Sep 1 09:20:05 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:20:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential References: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi again. My lift is a two post above ground unit. Rotary, the mfgr, said 5 inches of concrete minimum. My old cement floor was poured in '59, mixed by hand. 4 inches deep. They did a good job for the time, but it was poured in sections, which shifted a bit, especially where the tree root pushed it up. The tree is gone now. I thought about putting in two 4' square sections to mount it on, but decided to bite the bullet and go a little bigger. By the time it was done it was 28' x 28'! 6 inches of fiberglass reinforced, smooth, level, gorgeous concrete. The concrete guys did a great job. It was about $2300 for the concrete and about that much more for the pour. Worth every cent. Enjoy the weekend. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net ; jason at multivintage.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Sep 1 11:15:28 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, Message-ID: <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a > chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. > These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way > that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. > > Never be beaten by equipment From kaskas at cox.net Sat Sep 1 12:10:38 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:10:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, , <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. These are a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC nd RA. In my famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I can scan a page and send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my new revised upgraded Handbook that I plan to have available as a download within a couple months.. Never be beaten by equipment Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 From: cartravel at pobox.com To: kaskas at cox.net CC: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. Never be beaten by equipment From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Sep 1 12:38:16 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:38:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com> <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: I will have to buy your book and try one of the suggested needles. I'm doing much better this race weekend with the needles I just put in. Great power when fully in the throttle through to 6500 rpm but could be better when i have to let off and modulating the throttle through a corner. Plugs are a nice tab color after a good session Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-01, at 2:13 PM, "Kas Kastner" wrote: > You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. These are > a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC nd RA. In my > famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I can scan a page and > send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my new revised upgraded > Handbook that I plan to have available as a download within a couple months.. > > Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: kaskas at cox.net > CC: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > > > > > > > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can > compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book > should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which > I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want > it to be like it would have been if not for the emission > requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas > did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and > put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to > the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to > stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to > switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye > Triumphs). > > > > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner > wrote: > > > > > > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there > is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the > 1.5" carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to > compare. By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an > S.U. needle. > > > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Sep 1 13:18:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 14:18:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, , <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: <50425F81.7040602@pobox.com> Thanks for that tip. I used RC and RB needles in my TR3 race car. I'm curious to see how all these needles compare. I need to get a wideband O2 gauge. This will not happen overnight, so I can probably wait for the new book. On 9/1/2012 1:10 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. > These are a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC > nd RA. In my famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I > can scan a page and send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my > new revised upgraded *Handbook* that I plan to have available a > download within a couple months.. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: kaskas at cox.net > CC: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can > compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should > give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want > to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be > like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or > less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've > taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam > (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running > the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock > appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make > these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there > is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" > carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. > By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. > > Never be beaten by equipment From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Sep 1 13:28:06 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:28:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs In-Reply-To: <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Message-ID: Strombergs operate with a deeper jet level than we're used to with SUs. Early TR6 carbs have a jet level of .080 below the bridge. Late TR6 carbs use a jet level of .125 below the bridge. You should first drop the jets to .125 for increased richness. Then try the XKE B1E needle. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Kas Kastner" Cc: "fot" Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare > it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a > starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up > but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would > have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the > 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the > compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I > have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed > needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, > but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable > (see Buckeye Triumphs). > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a >> chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. >> These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way >> that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From tomstrange1300 at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 07:04:55 2012 From: tomstrange1300 at gmail.com (tom strange) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 08:04:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Kas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry for my tardiness, but all the same wishes from me. Kas, I hope you had a great day, and many more to come. Also from me is a big thanks for all the help you have been to all of us. Tom On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > Kas, > > Wishing you the best on your birthday. > Thank you for giving so much of yourself to this fine group. > > In appreciation, > > Allen > > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tomstrange1300 at gmail.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Sep 4 04:07:30 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:07:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock Message-ID: Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime Rock, two overall wins! Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. Way to go, guys! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From tomstrange1300 at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 05:54:43 2012 From: tomstrange1300 at gmail.com (tom strange) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:54:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest Message-ID: Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Sep 4 07:51:42 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 09:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi - There was a great turnout of Triumphs at Lime Rock this weekend!! I chatted with the current owner of the Bill Ames Ambro and urged him to follow up with an interest in FOT. We'll see how that pans out. But the Kent Bain spitfire was fast on SAT, Pual King was there in the GT6, there was a TR4, several other Spitfires... I'll try to summarize tonite when I have a chance to look at the program. But I think it was the most Triumphs I've seen raced at that event in quite some time, if not ever. Linda asked what I'd need to do to run with those guys... The DOOR opens. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Sep 4 10:52:38 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:52:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks to the list! Message-ID: I just wanted to say thanks to the participants in the FOT for all of the advice on my recent front suspension woes, especially to Christian Marx, Ed Barnard, Joe Alexander, Irv Korey and Dennis Delap. In case you didn't follow it, at the last race I broke a right front upright / vertical link which almost sent me into the wall. In discussing proper replacement parts, Christian mentioned that the TR-6 (really TR-4a through TR-6) vertical link and trunnion assembly is much beefier than the TR-4 3 degree caster items I had been running. Ed, Joe, Irv and Dennis (and Good Parts) all supplied me with pieces to get my car back together for Road America this coming weekend. I couldn't have done it without the advice from many on the list, and I'm very grateful for the help and support. I've taken pictures and will be putting a web page together on the TR-4a / 5 / 250 / 6 front suspension installation onto a TR-4 - this should apply to TR-3's as well. This is a very worthwhile upgrade since it strengthens the front suspension. Anything that keeps the wheels pointed in the right direction is a good thing. Anyway, just wanted to give kudos to the list. Cheers, Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Sep 4 10:53:02 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll be there! Tony Drews At 06:54 AM 9/4/2012, tom strange wrote: >Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 4 11:55:34 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:55:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Thanks to the list! In-Reply-To: <20120904173919.5123D2D075D@autox.team.net> References: <20120904173919.5123D2D075D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <002b01cd8ac6$7dcfcae0$796f60a0$@com> Tony says: " Anything that keeps the wheels pointed in the right direction is a good thing." I would say: Anything that keeps the wheels on the car is a good thing. Anything else is less important :-) Cheers Chris From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Sep 4 12:24:59 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII Message-ID: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> Amici... This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below looks. We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did quit one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. Bill Dentinger From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Sep 4 13:55:35 2012 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:55:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII In-Reply-To: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> Message-ID: See you guys there. Jason and I will be competing for Spectator of the Event. On 9/4/12 1:24 PM, "BillDentin at aol.com" wrote: Amici... This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below looks. We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did quit one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3429615335_311394808] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Sep 4 14:48:39 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:48:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great to hear, congrats on the day gents! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-04, at 6:43 AM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime > Rock, two overall wins! > > Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on > the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy > traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. > > Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting > to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. > > Way to go, guys! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 4 16:45:44 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1346798744.30016.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mike asked me to be chief steward this weekend so please play nice! I hate yelling at people :-) Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: tom strange >To: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:54 AM >Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest > >Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net From jhouathome at aol.com Tue Sep 4 17:53:51 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:53:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <633F5757-2259-45F5-9420-A45F3A8F3200@aol.com> I will, trying one more time to get the Kellison/TR4 to run. We'll be at our usual spot along the main road across from the t-shirt store! John Houlton Sent from my iPod On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:54 AM, tom strange wrote: > Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue Sep 4 18:03:19 2012 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:03:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: <1346798744.30016.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1346798744.30016.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <485BB277-07B6-49D5-8EA4-FDA385398B95@charter.net> Gary I have never heard you yell at anyone. On Sep 4, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: > Mike asked me to be chief steward this weekend so please play nice! I hate yelling at people :-) > Gary Schneider > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: tom strange >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:54 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest >> >> Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From starr001 at umn.edu Tue Sep 4 18:45:56 2012 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:45:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7AC2938C-7151-4F6D-9A99-0C3C69C10A69@umn.edu> I will be there in #83 Morgan Plus 4. Pat Starr On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:54 AM, tom strange wrote: > Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu From LimeyV8 at aol.com Wed Sep 5 10:56:24 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (LimeyV8 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Message-ID: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Sep 5 12:04:45 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:04:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold Message-ID: <001f01cd8b90$eec63110$cc529330$@aero> I am looking for a dual 1.25 inch SU manifold for a 1296 engine. Anybody have one they want to sell? I just need the manifold but will take a full set of carbs if the price is right. Thanx Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero From kkjjk at aol.com Wed Sep 5 13:06:38 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? In-Reply-To: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> References: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF59B0B6054466-136C-12BCE@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> Canley Classics has a very good rotoflex conversion kit available. It is for road going cars, though, not racing. I have put them in two GT6's , a 70 + and 72 mkIII with very good results-- Go to canleyclassics.com-- Jay D -----Original Message----- From: LimeyV8 To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:27 pm Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Sep 5 14:18:46 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:18:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? In-Reply-To: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Message-ID: <20120905201847.9OPO1.260132.root@cdptpa-web20-z02> Maybe yes on the CV joints and definitely you can install Datsun 240Z-280Z axles. Datsun Z car axles are an easy conversion although not CV joints. A CV joint conversion for the Datsun 510 is available. Since 510 axles are similar to Z car axles then one might assume the 510 CV joint conversion would fit a GT6.....maybe! Bob ---- LimeyV8 at aol.com wrote: > Greetings Amici > > Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles > on a 69 GT6+? > > Thanks > Jack Mc > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 5 14:26:51 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold In-Reply-To: <001f01cd8b90$eec63110$cc529330$@aero> References: <001f01cd8b90$eec63110$cc529330$@aero> Message-ID: <1346876811.7327.YahooMailNeo@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check with Ted at TSI. I bought mine from him. ________________________________ From: Robert MacKenzie To: 'FOT List' Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold I am looking for a dual 1.25 inch SU manifold for a 1296 engine. Anybody have one they want to sell? I just need the manifold but will take a full set of carbs if the price is right. Thanx Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From mnewman at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 5 14:54:41 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? In-Reply-To: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> Message-ID: <1135691376.954096.1346878481372.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Mine came from Rick Cline,they have a u-joint on each end. Canley Classics also makes them with a CV joint on the outboard end. Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: LimeyV8 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 5 16:32:53 2012 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:32:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Help! Message-ID: I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It doesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Sep 5 18:36:57 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:36:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Public service announcement - Silverstone owners Message-ID: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> For anybody running the original Triumph Silverstone wheels, I came across a guy at the Lime Rock swap meet that went to the trouble and expense to have the lug nuts reproduced. They are beautiful. He made 10 sets each in 3/8ths (Spitfire) and 7/16ths (Big TR) studs. He is selling 9 sets at his cost, not cheap, but you could never manufacture 16 wheel lugs with washers for $182. He also had some original Nokof screw on spinners, ready to get rechromed. I had never seen a set for sale before. Email me off list for the guy's contact info. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From billdentin at aol.com Wed Sep 5 18:40:39 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF59DF5F36C304-C94-1557E@webmail-m146.sysops.aol.com> I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It oesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. Boy! That last part is going to be tough. Bill (damdinger) From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Sep 5 19:01:07 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:01:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69C26062-0986-4F6E-84CD-EB04392ED1F5@aol.com> Are they the same as a spitfire? I think I have one or two. Chris On Sep 5, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Greg Petrolati wrote: > I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It > doesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tomstrange1300 at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 07:21:04 2012 From: tomstrange1300 at gmail.com (tom strange) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:21:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII In-Reply-To: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> References: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> Message-ID: bummer!!! I'll see you over the weekend ... still working on the car, but may have to compete for that primo spectator spot ... On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM, wrote: > Amici... > > This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob > Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to > bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below > looks. > We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. > Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did > quit > one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. > > So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd > Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII > edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tomstrange1300 at gmail.com From list at mackenzie.aero Fri Sep 7 10:44:32 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold Message-ID: <000d01cd8d18$0ef15180$2cd3f480$@aero> I found what I needed. Thanx FOT Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero From grmtim at aol.com Sat Sep 8 14:22:32 2012 From: grmtim at aol.com (Timothy Suddard) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF5C16CF373DF6-1C80-39AFB@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> Thanks, it was good seeing my fellow Triumph fans and what a great weekend. That Healey drove a tough race. We'll have a full report in the next issue of Classic Motorsports. Tim Suddard -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2012 6:35 am Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime Rock, two overall wins! Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. Way to go, guys! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com From grmtim at aol.com Sat Sep 8 14:38:41 2012 From: grmtim at aol.com (Timothy Suddard) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD In-Reply-To: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF5C19113E4633-1C80-39B92@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. -----Original Message----- From: chris crisenbery To: fot Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 I didn't see if that included any buyers premiums or not. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Sep 8 15:12:25 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 17:12:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD In-Reply-To: <8CF5C19113E4633-1C80-39B92@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> References: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CF5C19113E4633-1C80-39B92@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Go TR3's! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Timothy Suddard wrote: > The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing > my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how > much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the > GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually > and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring > and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type > experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to > know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are > pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did > most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chris crisenbery > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD > > > Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 > > I didn't see if that included any buyers > premiums or not. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Sun Sep 9 16:13:23 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 15:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts needed Message-ID: <1347228803.60819.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear invaluable Triumph friends, Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. In mourning.... Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Sep 9 17:32:57 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 19:32:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts needed In-Reply-To: <1347228803.60819.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1347228803.60819.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B5D07B6-7AD2-4CA3-8A03-2B677B2BA448@gdhs.com> You might give Vernon Brannon, Charlotte, a call. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Guy Morter wrote: > Dear invaluable Triumph friends, > Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. > In mourning.... > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Mon Sep 10 13:14:09 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:14:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Part need Message-ID: All, I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am missing a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they are the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph # 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater amount of bend in it. If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from you for a fair price! Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 tr4 at wi.rr.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Mon Sep 10 16:03:05 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:03:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need Message-ID: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Thanks all, Irv has one in his garage so I am good now! How does one lose a part like this anyway???? Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Yott Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 2:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Part need All, I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am missing a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they are the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph # 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater amount of bend in it. If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from you for a fair price! Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 16:07:30 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:07:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: Hope you didn't bolt it on somewhere else(:-)! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Yott" To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need > Thanks all, > Irv has one in his garage so I am good now! > > How does one lose a part like this anyway???? > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 2:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Part need > > All, > > I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am > missing > a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is > $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! > > What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they > are > the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph > # > 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater > amount > of bend in it. > > If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from > you for a fair price! > > Thanks much > > Steve Yott > 262-997-0701 > tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Sep 10 16:13:29 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:13:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> We went racing this past weekend at the VARA Oktoberfest, @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park in the sweltering San Joaquin Valley. My wife's Formula V performed flawlessly as did our Spitfire which our son in law drove in his very first race. He did very well, now just has to learn how to RACE... I attempted to run our GT6, but after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded quite spectacularly. 7000 RPM, good oil pressure, and then: loud noise, cockpit fills with smoke/steam, I shut off master electrical and pull off track. Still smoking so pull fire handle and bail out, trotting off to a safe distance. Fortunately the fire bottle worked, and the thing didn't totally burn to the ground. Just a small paint-ruining oil fire, caused by engine oil exiting a large hole blasted in the side of the block. This after a "complete race rebuild" a few months ago. We got ONE good race weekend out of it, next time out a rocker arm welded itself to the rocker shaft because of insufficient oiling. Engine builder didn't install set screw to keep rocker shaft lined up with oil passage in rocker pedestal. Got it all back together, (my dime & labor...) and now this. Sheesh! Don't quite know what we'll do now... Ed From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 16:21:33 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:21:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need In-Reply-To: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: 1) by putting it in a really special place so you can find it when you need it 2) by needing it now 3) by failing to buy another one so that the original shows up Take your choice. They all seem to work for me. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Sep 10, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Steve Yott wrote: > How does one lose a part like this anyway???? > > Steve Yott From jason at multivintage.com Mon Sep 10 17:15:19 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Edward Dunn wrote "after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded" "Don't quite know what we'll do now..." Ed, That is terrible news. I am so sorry to here you have had such a tough time with your GT6. I have been surprised to here all the disappointing news about these motors lately. We have had lots of things go Kablamo in these cars over the years but the 1998cc motors have always been very reliable. I'm not sure what I can do to keep you hanging in there... but am happy to share any info you might need. Sad and Sorry, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 10 18:14:26 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:14:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need In-Reply-To: References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <504E8262.20609@bradakis.com> >> How does one lose a part like this anyway???? >> I just put it on a shelf in my garage. mjb. From grmtim at aol.com Mon Sep 10 18:21:30 2012 From: grmtim at aol.com (Timothy Suddard) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD In-Reply-To: <1133d.848daf5.3d7d0baf@aol.com> References: <1133d.848daf5.3d7d0baf@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5DCA86503651-2C4-455D0@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> I haven't found out yet who got it. Been too busy racing the TR3. I will find out though. -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve To: grmtim ; fot Sent: Sat, Sep 8, 2012 4:59 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD So did it go to one of us or will it be stuffed in a dusty museum garage somewhere? Or are you at liberty to say?? In a message dated 9/8/2012 1:43:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, grmtim at aol.com writes: The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. -----Original Message----- From: chris crisenbery To: fot Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 I didn't see if that included any buyers premiums or not. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 06:56:29 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR3 parts needed Message-ID: <1347368189.89346.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all that offered help. I will be traveling for the next few days and will reply to all then. Guy Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Sun, 9/9/12, Guy Morter wrote: > From: Guy Morter > Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts needed > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 9, 2012, 10:13 PM > Dear invaluable Triumph friends, > Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put > me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis > and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on > the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner > as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. > In mourning.... > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Sep 11 09:04:57 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <1347375897.85130.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> dang Edward... for a minute I thought one of my posts had re-emerged with the saga of a blown up engine in a GT6.... then I realized I've never had to evacuate the fire bottle system.. bummer.... I feel your pain... 2 years in a row April 2011 and April 2012 (The Mitty) I experienced the same catastrophe .... I won't be racing vintage in April 2013... that I know of... takes the giggle out of the effort... we all know... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Edward Dunn To: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, September 10, 2012 5:16:13 PM Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! We went racing this past weekend at the VARA Oktoberfest, @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park in the sweltering San Joaquin Valley. My wife's Formula V performed flawlessly as did our Spitfire which our son in law drove in his very first race. He did very well, now just has to learn how to RACE... I attempted to run our GT6, but after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded quite spectacularly. 7000 RPM, good oil pressure, and then: loud noise, cockpit fills with smoke/steam, I shut off master electrical and pull off track. Still smoking so pull fire handle and bail out, trotting off to a safe distance. Fortunately the fire bottle worked, and the thing didn't totally burn to the ground. Just a small paint-ruining oil fire, caused by engine oil exiting a large hole blasted in the side of the block. This after a "complete race rebuild" a few months ago. We got ONE good race weekend out of it, next time out a rocker arm welded itself to the rocker shaft because of insufficient oiling. Engine builder didn't install set screw to keep rocker shaft lined up with oil passage in rocker pedestal. Got it all back together, (my dime & labor...) and now this. Sheesh! Don't quite know what we'll do now... Ed _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rblake36 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 09:08:17 2012 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Message-ID: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 09:23:35 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:23:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 09:33:28 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Sorry to hear of these MECHANICAL MALADIES. BTW, it turned out that Jerry Barker's fuel supplies in his RV/Hauler trailer had lines switched from his genset to the race gas by an RV service center. He was running street gas in his Spitfire and that caused his failures at the Mitty. For myself, I have installed a bone stock TR4 engine in the AMBRO and hope to run it midpack and reliably next season. Alexander Racing isnt in a position to deal with two race engines, and we hope to return to the track in 2013 with maximum track time at the lowest expense, with the TR4 and the AMBRO. I sometimes think we ask too much of this old equipment.....especially as amateurs who do most of the work ourselves. Money is likely well spent on the suspension.....all that HP is no good if you cant go around the corners. I must be getting old. But I dont want to tow to Mosport and Road America and then return home with tortured metal. Something to think about. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:11 am Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Sep 11 09:38:07 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:38:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> Message-ID: We use JE pistons and rings with a clearance of 2.5 thou. Which I think is about 1/2 of a thou. Less than Chris uses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 09:49:40 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> Message-ID: <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> 2.5 is not enough. As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. Glen -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'MadMarx' ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We use JE pistons and rings with a clearance of 2.5 thou. Which I think is about 1/2 of a thou. Less than Chris uses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Sep 11 10:33:58 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:33:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Weber Carb fuel overflow Message-ID: <85AB1155-5020-4EFF-91FD-F1C21161D512@me.com> My 40DCOE weber carbs drizzle a little fuel out the overflow and into the filters on hard, prolonged turns. I know this because i see the residue on the heat shield from where it drips though the filter, and occasionally I get a whiff of gas. Floats are set below the "stock" settings, but I assume those settings are for street cars anyway, and the settings vary depending on the application of carbs to car model. Many people seem to have the same issue, and the attitude is "that's normal". Others don't seem to have any sloshing out. Raw fuel leaking out somewhere above the exhaust never seems like a good idea, even with the heat shield in between! So, I guess the question is, should I adjust the floats down even further, or is there another correction for this? And if the answer is float adjustment, should this impact the selection of the air corrector jet and the emulsion tube, and how? From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 11:16:05 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> Message-ID: <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Moore To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of piston skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it would seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, there may not be many engines running by end of season! I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are scaring the hell out of me! Mike Moore 62 TR4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 2.5 is not enough. As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. Glen From ponobill at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 11:29:19 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <311E1507-C7B6-48D8-9B67-4DE026390ED5@bnj.com> Not to worry Mike, start off with the simple investment in Kas' books and READ THEM. It takes a lot less time than building an engine again. If you do that and follow the suggestions you'll have an engine that lasts just fine. I pound the heck out of my engines and even when it was just my ham-handed efforts they generally lasted for years. Really, there's just a few big rules to follow: Adequate piston clearance Adequate guide clearance Keep an eye on your cam followers and the entire valve train--including springs Don't get too carried away with compression If you don't have a steel crank and good rods, keep the RPMs below 5500 Don't overheat the car On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:16 AM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 12:15:13 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In-Reply-To: <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E608570AFAA-224C-B3280@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> FOT REGALIA: STICKERS FLAGS SHIRTS MEDALLIONS ETC. John Hasty, et. al. I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to do any funding. We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'Joe Alexander' ; rblake36 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:49 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I know how it feels. Last year we went all the way up to Mosport from Charlotte only to brake a rod in the 2nd practice session.....certainly something to be avoided. Joe....are there any FOT stickers left? With the re-do of both the right and left sides of my car needed after Mid Ohio, I have lost the ones I had. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 12:16:24 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:16:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greg, Piers told me about the excitement. What a shock that must have been, and at a pretty fast part of the track, too (well before the turn-in point for turn 7, I hope? Kinda 100 mph-ish there...) Regarding the piston scuffing issue, I'm betting you've already got inadequate coolant flow ruled out. The two possibilities that come to mind are: 1) an intake air leak only on #4 intake tract and 2) a bent rod. 1) Have you tried viewing temperatures at different points on the header and surface of the engine block and head using an infrared thermometer? A look at the exhaust header temp for each individual branch ought to tell you if one cylinder is running leaner than the others. If all four pipes are indicating similar temperatures I'd suspect oiling or a clearance issue. I'm assuming you're doing plug cuts in the absence of an EGT gauge and probe or exhaust gas analyzer. How are you performing your plug cuts? I have found that the results are not clear if I don't put in a new plug at the very start of a hard acceleration pull, with next to no idle time and no part-load driving time. 2) If the connecting rod is bent, the #4 piston could be cocked (as seen from the side of the engine). If so, the scuffing would be on a side where the wrist pin hole is. If you're going to pull the piston and rod it's easy enough to check the rod for trueness. Is it possible to install a rod backwards, causing the small end to force the piston against the front or rear of the bore? That might also exert asymmetric pressure on the big end rod bearing -- how does the bearing look? Is the scuffing at 90 degrees to that, on the thrust side? If so, one possibility is lack of oil. It may be that somehow oil isn't getting thrown up to the bottom of the piston in #4 only, causing it to run hotter. You could bore a couple of tiny lubrication holes below the lowest movement limit of the oil ring, where oil could get to the skirt, but not having an engine open at the moment, I can't visualize how you might pressure-feed this. Is the overbore you mentioned equivalent to the piston-to-cylinder wall clearances? Duncan Texas 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Robert Blake wrote: > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that > we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco > pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This > resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On > his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture > all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in > the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, > and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from > within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was > scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never > went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The > hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a > decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is > a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Sep 11 12:27:50 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING Message-ID: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily > sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Tue Sep 11 12:35:47 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:35:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In-Reply-To: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> References: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39EE@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Pay pal makes it easy. Edward Dunn Quality Fuel Trailer & Tank, Inc. 1611 S. Rancho Santa Fe Road, Suite C San Marcos, CA 92078 800-509-1904 x.12 Made In America Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:28 AM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily > sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 12:42:44 2012 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:42:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of > piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it > would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 12:50:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:50:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: All maths are right. I run Mahle forged pistons. They are very fragile and light. About 380gr incl rings and wrist pin. They have long skirts Mahle suggested 0.06mm but I didn't dare that. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:42:44 To: fubog1 Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of > piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it > would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 13:17:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] .VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING now TREASURER for 2013 kcup In-Reply-To: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> References: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E6931573DEA-224C-B5F68@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the proposal, Bill, Some things to consider: I am trying back away from some of this stuff. I hate accepting those generous donations....it is frequently the same people, like yourself. All of this takes me a lot of time...likely because I am getting very inefficient at everything I do. And I would like to spend more time on ALEXANDER RACING.....(we may have a fourth ALEXANDER driver involved by next July...that's THREE GENERATIONS). But, if we had a short term 'treasurer' for the 2013 KCUP this would help. This person would collect and disperse the funds and be involved in establishing the budget. This person would also seek sponsors that would like to be involved in what we do. (My own preference is to be free of commercial aspects of the event, but that is not always possible or practical). We have a great chairperson in place (JOHN HOULTON). Kas and I have a pretty good formula for producing the KCUP. It just takes someone who is willing to deal with the details. It's 12 months from now....... :-) Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Sep 11 13:54:44 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank scrapers Message-ID: <1632508354.806484.1347393284172.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Fot, I'm wondering how many Tr4 drivers are running crank scrapers. We are currently developing a crank scraper that will double as a center main stud girdle. CAD drawings are almost finished and I hope to have it fully developed by next spring. jim g From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 14:21:56 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 14:25:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:25:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 14:45:10 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 14:46:49 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:46:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 14:56:27 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:56:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911202319.5DC462D027B@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202319.5DC462D027B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I run about ..006 for my clearance with Wiesco pistons, they are popular in the marine industry and they have the same characteristics...or problems without the clearance..need more room, I also add more clearance to the connecting rod at the crank so that more oil can be delivered,I was told it was an old dragster trick..seems to work. . On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM, wrote: > We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with > or without. > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 > To: > Cc: ; ; ; < > fot at autox.team.net> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be > honed using a torque plate. > They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. > FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as > an added insurance policy against scuffing. > Glen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar > To: fubog1 > Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing < > tr4racing at googlemail.com>; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance > (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged > 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what > my machinist is honing to. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 14:57:01 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 14:58:34 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:58:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I use old liners and enlarge the to 88mm. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Sep 11 15:06:38 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg B ----- Original Message ----- From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, johnstydo at gmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: B fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. B Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) B have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: B I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 15:09:52 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:09:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I used molycote coating on my scuffed wisecos. The Pistons had shrinked and the coating had a thickness of about 0.3mm at maximum. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:06:38 To: fubog1 Cc: ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg B ----- Original Message ----- From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, johnstydo at gmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: B fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. B Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) B have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: B I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Tue Sep 11 15:12:37 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:12:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911204828.8F13E2D0288@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com>, , <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net>, <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net>, <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <20120911204828.8F13E2D0288@autox.team.net> Message-ID: During tests a couple eons ago we did a simular test and found the sleeve was like pushing on the end of a garden hose. (87 mm), only not quite as predictable. it cerrtain turned me into .0045" to .005" clearance guy. The best seal and power I ever had was when I lapped the rings to the sleeve, gave the piston a lot of clearance, and wished it well in the war days to come. As long as that spark plug comes out of the bore after racing with a crusty ring on the edge looking like tiny potato chips you could not make it better. Never be beaten by equipment > To: fubog1 at aol.com; johnstydo at gmail.com > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:46:49 +0000 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > At what bore size? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 > To: ; > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. > The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. > Glen > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tr4racing > To: fubog1 ; johnstydo > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or > without. > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 > To: > Cc: ; ; ; > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed > using a torque plate. > They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. > FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an > added insurance policy against scuffing. > Glen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar > To: fubog1 > Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 > mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, > but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing > to. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Sep 11 15:29:40 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CF5E7BAFE5A19D-1878-48071@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Well I can only offer advice based on my limited experience with these things, torque plate for best results, at your discretion... Another point to consider may be how close you are holding tolerances. If you are measuring to thousandths, .0005 is no big deal. Of course if the engine doesn't see the far side of 5k often, this is not as critical. Re the piston coating, it seems to be 5-7 tenths per side so you will pick up .001-.0015 in diameter (polymer dynamics HoustonTx). An engine-machinist friend of mine did try coating a set of pistons to make up clearance, can't remember the number, but it was a huge failure. I honestly don't know what the limit is. One of the advantages of having the skirts coated is that you can run less clearance, but I still shoot for at least .004. Glen -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky To: fubog1 Cc: fot ; tr4racing ; johnstydo Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, johnstydo at gmail.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 18:24:58 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <20120911210326.E51552D0214@autox.team.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911210326.E51552D0214@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF5E942C95599F-224C-BACD4@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> we use old OEM liners and bore to size with a fixture replicated from John Deere production fixtures. OEM material is very good and equipment for boring and honing is state of the art. our torque plate is for sale. we defer to Glen's methods, however, as we suspect he has control over the variables and has great credibility. but we cant afford to send our engines to Glen.....or we would. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:06 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I use old liners and enlarge the to 88mm. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billdentin at aol.com Tue Sep 11 18:37:10 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <8CF5E942C95599F-224C-BACD4@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911210326.E51552D0214@autox.team.net> <8CF5E942C95599F-224C-BACD4@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E95E0D75EEB-B94-4C23C@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com> <<< we use old OEM liners and bore to size with a fixture replicated from John eere production fixtures. OEM material is very good and equipment for boring and honing is state of the rt. our torque plate is for sale. we defer to Glen's methods, however, as we suspect he has control over the ariables and has great credibility. but we cant afford to send our engines to Glen.....or we would. >>> We too have a stash of original sleeves that we dress for fresh engines. They are hard as all get out, and much better than what we have seen available new. Also...you can look for Pink Pigs flying any day when we disagree with that 'Bearded Wonder' down in Florida. Hi Glen! Bill Dentinger From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 02:14:58 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:14:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <33A7972ABC0A40B882E91626E205221A@your89d26e0447> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <33A7972ABC0A40B882E91626E205221A@your89d26e0447> Message-ID: <000301cd90be$b4156760$1c403620$@com> I would like to show you the pistons: Left Wiseco, right Mahle: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-OfylAQLY4J4/UFBD1bKreQI/AAAAAAAABaU/_XKnb Z5jCTw/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00003.JPG https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8ZCKC6pHEaI/UFBD-3a9-pI/AAAAAAAABac/2XydJ 0yWDwE/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00002.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-K1GqMXqR-4c/UFBEJcMbSdI/AAAAAAAABak/_I2JA pwohAs/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00004.JPG Interesting is, that the bigger shaped piston is much lighter. Cheers Chris From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Sep 12 04:25:17 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:25:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4721DAF6C936489BBC48406ACE097015@TRIUMPH.local> Scuffing is caused by piston expansion. Piston expansion is caused by heat. If you are running adequate piston to liner clearance and you are still getting excessive scuffing only on #4, perhaps the back of your block is not getting adequate flow of coolant. If the coolant at the back of the block does not circulate adequately, hot spots form, allowing the coolant around #4 will reach it's boiling point. Once the liner creates enough heat for the coolant to start vaporizing (boiling), a jacket of air bubbles is formed around the liner, further impeding the coolant from doing it's job. That jug gets heated more that the others, your piston expands more, and scuffing occurs. Next time you are prepping a block for a build, and are at the step of rinsing the block with copious amounts of water, try this. Slide all four liners in the block, and set in place whatever head gasket you are using, a used head gasket is fine for this purpose. You are going to want to install a few head studs and jury-rig something to hold the head gasket in place. Then take your garden hose and stuff it into the water inlet hole in the front of the block. Turn on the water. You will note the lions share of the water is flowing out the front of the block, and around #4 the water is barely overflowing. That's whats happening to your coolant when your engine is running. Your 'cold' coolant from the radiator enters the block at the front, but most of it flows around 1 and 2 and goes up to the head and exits the thermostat housing. The coolantin the back half of the engine is pretty stagnant, allowing hot spots to be formed. For the most part, the holes in the head gasket are the what meters the water flow from the block up through the head. On the stock head gasket those holes allow too much flow at the front. Look at Mordy's copper headgaskets for this engine, you will see he has made the coolant passage holes quite small at the front. To increase circulation at the back of the engine, you need to impede the coolant flow from the block to the head in at least the front half of the engine. I install small freeze plugs in the appropriate coolant passages in the head, and then drill small holes in the freeze plugs to meter the flow. This stopped all my issues with excessive scuffing on the #4 piston. But what do I know, I blew up this year as well! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on > the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Sep 12 07:33:15 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:33:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> Message-ID: <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> Hi all I use 89mm venolia pistons with .006 clearance and they seem to give me two years before I start getting ring trouble, so far twice on cyl 4 where the comp ratio drops from 165 to 115 and I start throwing oil from the rocker /valve cover vent straight into the catch tank. Cyl 2 comp falls to about 130 on my scale at the same time. 1 and 3 sit at 155 Ish. This seems to be the order of wear in my engine and a couple of similar ones, so pretty consistent I'm told. This is all due to accelerated ring wear due to heat in the rear of the engine as others have said and if I let it go too far, scrap pistons as a minimum. Provided I keep a tab on the comp ratios and measure what I pump out of the catch tank I can keep track of wear on a relative scale, recognising that if I do so I won't get a heavy failure. Short of solving the issue finally this is the only way to deal with it, hence my bi annual refit. I'm getting two years worth of relatively trouble free running with my steel crank, venolia pistons and carillo rods. That's about 18000 to 20000 rally miles, maybe 10000 of those at 5000 rpm and above, 3000 at maximum attack of 6500 to 7500 and above (my counter reads to 6000 so when the beastie stops accelerating and the noise doesn't get louder I know I'm on the peg). I can forward the specs of the various bits if anyone else is interested. Happy days. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Sep 2012, at 16:23, "MadMarx" wrote: > I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. > Maybe they expand a lot. > > I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. > > Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. > Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. > The liners deform under heat and getting oval. > More clearance is needed as normal. > > At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when > they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. > > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say > that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco > pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This > resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On > his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture > all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts > in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping > points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible > clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we > feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was > scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never > went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts > to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this > without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The > hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a > decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX > is a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 07:45:32 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:45:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> Message-ID: <002201cd90ec$e2906d50$a7b147f0$@com> Quite low compression. I read between 210 - 220 PSI at my engine with a compression of 11.3:1. Maybe we have here Californian air too? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: TR4 Tony [mailto:tr4.tony at virgin.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2012 15:33 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Hi all I use 89mm venolia pistons with .006 clearance and they seem to give me two years before I start getting ring trouble, so far twice on cyl 4 where the comp ratio drops from 165 to 115 and I start throwing oil from the rocker /valve cover vent straight into the catch tank. Cyl 2 comp falls to about 130 on my scale at the same time. 1 and 3 sit at 155 Ish. This seems to be the order of wear in my engine and a couple of similar ones, so pretty consistent I'm told. This is all due to accelerated ring wear due to heat in the rear of the engine as others have said and if I let it go too far, scrap pistons as a minimum. Provided I keep a tab on the comp ratios and measure what I pump out of the catch tank I can keep track of wear on a relative scale, recognising that if I do so I won't get a heavy failure. Short of solving the issue finally this is the only way to deal with it, hence my bi annual refit. I'm getting two years worth of relatively trouble free running with my steel crank, venolia pistons and carillo rods. That's about 18000 to 20000 rally miles, maybe 10000 of those at 5000 rpm and above, 3000 at maximum attack of 6500 to 7500 and above (my counter reads to 6000 so when the beastie stops accelerating and the noise doesn't get louder I know I'm on the peg). I can forward the specs of the various bits if anyone else is interested. Happy days. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Sep 2012, at 16:23, "MadMarx" wrote: > I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. > Maybe they expand a lot. > > I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. > > Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. > Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. > The liners deform under heat and getting oval. > More clearance is needed as normal. > > At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same > direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. > > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to > say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with > Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on > number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday > for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been > trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition > as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the > mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing > we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same > clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt > was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp > never went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons > skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb > cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did > not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search > of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but > proximity to TX is a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Wed Sep 12 07:57:02 2012 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Parts that need a home!!!!!!!!!! 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Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Sep 12 08:03:16 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:03:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <002201cd90ec$e2906d50$a7b147f0$@com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> <002201cd90ec$e2906d50$a7b147f0$@com> Message-ID: <50509624.5090405@dfn.com> On 9/12/2012 7:45 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Quite low compression. > > I read between 210 - 220 PSI at my engine with a compression of 11.3:1. > > Maybe we have here Californian air too? > > Or just air at some altitude well above sea level. Tony doesn't say where he's taking those measurements, or the overlap of the cam he's using, both of which can have rather dramatic effect on the numbers when compared to a milder cam and at sea level. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Sep 12 08:24:22 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <4721DAF6C936489BBC48406ACE097015@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly use the torque plate I provide him. When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that failure out. My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. Any thoughts on this? Glen? Also, when we first undertook the project Greg Solo mentioned that we might need to drill the Chevy rods with an oil hole to "squirt" some oil on the cylinder walls. Any further thoughts on that? Greg S., do you care to elaborate? The really head scratchier is that Greg Blake has the same set-up, and it is running fine (knock wood). Same pistons, rods, crank, bearings, etc. We need to solve Bob's lack of track issue so there can be another father - son team on the track and not in the paddock. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: "Robert Blake" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 5:25 AM Scuffing is caused by piston expansion. Piston expansion is caused by heat. If you are running adequate piston to liner clearance and you are still getting excessive scuffing only on #4, perhaps the back of your block is not getting adequate flow of coolant. If the coolant at the back of the block does not circulate adequately, hot spots form, allowing the coolant around #4 will reach it's boiling point. Once the liner creates enough heat for the coolant to start vaporizing (boiling), a jacket of air bubbles is formed around the liner, further impeding the coolant from doing it's job. That jug gets heated more that the others, your piston expands more, and scuffing occurs. Next time you are prepping a block for a build, and are at the step of rinsing the block with copious amounts of water, try this. Slide all four liners in the block, and set in place whatever head gasket you are using, a used head gasket is fine for this purpose. You are going to want to install a few head studs and jury-rig something to hold the head gasket in place. Then take your garden hose and stuff it into the water inlet hole in the front of the block. Turn on the water. You will note the lions share of the water is flowing out the front of the block, and around #4 the water is barely overflowing. That's whats happening to your coolant when your engine is running. Your 'cold' coolant from the radiator enters the block at the front, but most of it flows around 1 and 2 and goes up to the head and exits the thermostat housing. The coolantin the back half of the engine is pretty stagnant, allowing hot spots to be formed. For the most part, the holes in the head gasket are the what meters the water flow from the block up through the head. On the stock head gasket those holes allow too much flow at the front. Look at Mordy's copper headgaskets for this engine, you will see he has made the coolant passage holes quite small at the front. To increase circulation at the back of the engine, you need to impede the coolant flow from the block to the head in at least the front half of the engine. I install small freeze plugs in the appropriate coolant passages in the head, and then drill small holes in the freeze plugs to meter the flow. This stopped all my issues with excessive scuffing on the #4 piston. But what do I know, I blew up this year as well! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on > the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Sep 12 08:51:00 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:51:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5050A154.1080504@dfn.com> On 9/12/2012 8:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque > plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I > have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first > engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, > and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly > use the torque plate I provide him. > When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up > the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put > forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has > been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that > failure out. > One of those unaccounted-for variables might be individual variations in the blocks and heads used. I think the procedure of blocking flow out of the forward cylinders to increase flow through the rears has some merit, but consider this: what if there were a mismatch of _both_ head and block to the head gasket at that cylinder, i.e., a coolant opening in the head blocked the gasket opening area on one side, while a mismatch to the block hindered flow on the other? The net effect would be greatly attenuated flow out of the block on at least one side of the cylinder. The other variable could be a casting anomaly inside the head at that cylinder or just forward of it. Those are the sort of things that tend to go unnoticed during machining and/or rebuilding, but can have rather profound effects on performance, and can be a devil to find without hard data on temperature variations. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 12 09:10:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUND Message-ID: <8CF5F0FF09F55F5-4C8-DA955@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Yesterday, after seeking means to fund 2013 KCUP through regalia sales or any other means, I received two UNSOLICITED donations.....make that LARGE donations. Thank you: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER I am accepting these donations and will place them in the FOT ACCOUNT. Thank you guys......! I am NOT asking for donations, but will accept them. I have preferences on funding. Funding through regalia sales seems right to me. NOT depending on commercial sponsorships seems right to me, but they will be accepted. Note: Sponsorship promises were made and broken for the Laguna Seca KCUP and we had at least one FOT do some serious funding out of pocket...I didnt know about it until well after the fact. Not acceptable. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 12 09:20:27 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF5F1145D98D75-1DC4-942D0@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> No doubt that the rear cylinder runs the hottest, but I have found that if the cooling system, oil and water, are in good shape, and IF the RPM is kept within reason, (touches wood), it's not a problem for us. I don't do any more than progressively open up the steam holes for the little banana ports in the head gasket, bigger towards the rear. A lot of guys are running pretty high revs now and this becomes more of a potential problem, and on some "other" buzzy engines I do add a provision for flow in the rear. As a related matter of interest, I had a scuffing issue recently, 3 out of 4. The problem was that #1 was the worst, very heavy, metal transfer, progressively less back to #4, which was near perfect! Exactly the opposite of what would be expected. After going over the drivers excellent track notes, and recalling our conversation about not getting water temp in it due to a very cold weekend, we concluded that the pistons were up to temp as evidenced by normal oil temps, but the liners were too cold. It's a real balancing act with these things. Then as Greg S pointed out, lugging can cause problems as well, both lack of splash, and losing the oil wedge due to drop in main pressure. Glen -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: Robert Blake ; fot ; yellow04 Cc: Glen Effinger Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly use the torque plate I provide him. When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that failure out. My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. Any thoughts on this? Glen? Also, when we first undertook the project Greg Solo mentioned that we might need to drill the Chevy rods with an oil hole to "squirt" some oil on the cylinder walls. Any further thoughts on that? Greg S., do you care to elaborate? The really head scratchier is that Greg Blake has the same set-up, and it is running fine (knock wood). Same pistons, rods, crank, bearings, etc. We need to solve Bob's lack of track issue so there can be another father - son team on the track and not in the paddock. -Ed- From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 12 09:29:10 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] SPEAKING OF DONATIONS- Message-ID: <8CF5F127D6F07DC-4C8-DB002@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Some things are so obvious that they are overlooked...................KAS & PEG The KASTNER CUP funds do not always cover all of Peg and Kas' direct expenses and certainly there has never been any monies beyond direct expenses. THAT makes KAS and PEG the largest contributors to the KASTNER CUP SERIES. Thank you Kas and Peg. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From rblake36 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 09:42:35 2012 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Message-ID: <1347464555.46855.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I would like to thank the group for all the input. Not only have we found a bonnet for Greg's car, the guy who was literally beaten by his equipment, we have elicited a number of responses that may provide a solution to the issue of the scuffed #4. Hopefully we will have the car back in operation in time for the CVAR TWS meet in November, and actually might run for a full weekend. Thanks and regards to all. Bob Blake From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Sep 12 11:14:40 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:14:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347464555.46855.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347464555.46855.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101cd910a$185c1200$49143600$@com> FWIW - I've been measuring the temperature of the block and cylinder head with and infrared thermometer as we come off the track since we started running in 2007. The cylinder head is measured between #2 and #3 sparkplugs, The block is measured towards the front and towards the back on the cam side and the block is measured at the back as low as possible. All of the readings have been consistently between 180 degrees and 200 degrees. The infrared thermometers are now available from places like Harbor Freight pretty reasonably now. This just seemed like a good piece of diagnostic data to have. Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Blake Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:43 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Blake Gregory Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I would like to thank the group for all the input. Not only have we found a bonnet for Greg's car, the guy who was literally beaten by his equipment, we have elicited a number of responses that may provide a solution to the issue of the scuffed #4. Hopefully we will have the car back in operation in time for the CVAR TWS meet in November, and actually might run for a full weekend. Thanks and regards to all. Bob Blake _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 12 11:50:05 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] more on piston scuffing... In-Reply-To: <88538F2A-6D3E-4513-A3CD-3DB95F743998@austin.rr.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <88538F2A-6D3E-4513-A3CD-3DB95F743998@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF5F262D23355D-1DC4-98D19@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> Just a few other things to check. Look at the underside of the piston for color, I like to see just a little tan, that shows that it's getting good heat in the chamber. If is dark brown/black, it has been too hot. That can cause the piston to run too hot and it can scuff as a result. Also look for a pattern, if it's scored/scuffed all the way to the top of the pistons, it could be a ring issue, check for heavy wear in the top ring groove (usually rich running). Or heavy burnishing/scuffing at the bottom part of the thrust faces, likely ran out of clearance. These long-stroke engines have a pretty high piston speed so at high revs they are right on the edge of the limits... Glen From mediehljr at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 12:19:52 2012 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <1347473992.19369.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello All. In case anyone cares, I am not in Madrid and am not in trouble with the law(not lately anyway. If anyone wishes to send me money, feel free, but be sure to send it to me and not the scam address on the hack job. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 12 12:38:00 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:38:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR Message-ID: Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 12:43:34 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:43:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VIR Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 12 12:59:22 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:59:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call I could be wrong on that. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:44 PM To: 'john hasty'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] VIR One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VIR Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Sep 12 13:17:12 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I then had much more control over the heat in the engine. Larry On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > Any thoughts on this? Glen? From list at mackenzie.aero Wed Sep 12 13:36:10 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:36:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas Message-ID: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT membership. Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last year. In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to the US at some time. Do I have a second? Thank you Robert MacKenzie From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 13:58:16 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:58:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas In-Reply-To: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> References: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> Message-ID: <3450CA80-C5ED-42EC-8CC2-A4FA1BCEA4C6@gmail.com> Second! Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT membership. > > Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy > car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club > newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin > autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last > year. > In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. > Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to > the US at some time. > > Do I have a second? > Thank you > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Sep 12 13:59:12 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:59:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> Message-ID: All my TR3/4 engines are fitted with a dash 8 line from the cold side of the water pump to the Block drain and a dash 6 from the water fitting in the back of the head to the thomo housing. Requires some welding and maching of bungs in the right places. Tony > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port > to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the > engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the > head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for > an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear > of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of > #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. > > The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a > Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I > then had much more control over the heat in the engine. > Larry > > On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have > > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine > > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being > > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and > > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > > Any thoughts on this? Glen? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Sep 12 14:00:13 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:00:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: I love VIR and would love to make the trip but I'm already one week in the hole on vacation time this year. New job, less time off, it sucks! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:59 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but > I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC > with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call I > could be wrong on that. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:44 PM > To: 'john hasty'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] VIR > > One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of john hasty > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VIR > > Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the > VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa > OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, > Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 14:04:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:04:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 12 14:18:15 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> Message-ID: <8CF5F3ADFCDD1CC-1DC4-9A868@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> And there's not a thing wrong with that Chris! Like the wise-man said... you can't race a broken race car... Glen as it came from factory -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Sep 12 14:39:28 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:39:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com>, Message-ID: ...as a side note< I should give credit to My father n law "gene" for designing or coming up with the cooling system mods. Gene is a retiried engine builder (sprint car/midget/hotrod) and also "his"bikes owned the 1 mile flat track world records in the late 60's and 70's when he worked for BSA and Triumph . Now, If anyone wishes to have the cooling system mods done , contact me off list and we'll work something out. Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com > From: horizonracing at msn.com > To: cartravel at pobox.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:59:12 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > All my TR3/4 engines are fitted with a dash 8 line from the cold side of the > water pump to the Block drain and a dash 6 from the water fitting in the back > of the head to the thomo housing. Requires some welding and maching of bungs > in the right places. Tony > > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 > > From: cartravel at pobox.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > > I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port > > to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the > > engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the > > head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for > > an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear > > of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of > > #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. > > > > The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a > > Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I > > then had much more control over the heat in the engine. > > Larry > > > > On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I > have > > > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the > engine > > > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought > being > > > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, > and > > > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > > > Any thoughts on this? Glen? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Sep 12 14:49:53 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> Message-ID: <1347482993.73979.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Chris: And that was my idea with running a hose from the two heater connections on the engine. The next step would be to have a heater (or cooler in this case :O)) on those two hoses. It would add flow to the rear, and aid in the cooling. If it added nothing it at least didn't hurt anything as far as I knew. Simple ideas from simple minds. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:04 PM Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 12 14:52:38 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:52:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <1347482993.73979.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> <1347482993.73979.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007801cd9128$8cd26350$a67729f0$@com> Kas explained me that you have higher temperatures in USA than we have in Europe. So maybe that is a reason why you have to take more care about cooling as we have to. I had only two times races at 100F. Von: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2012 22:50 An: fot at autox.team.net; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Chris: And that was my idea with running a hose from the two heater connections on the engine. The next step would be to have a heater (or cooler in this case :O)) on those two hoses. It would add flow to the rear, and aid in the cooling. If it added nothing it at least didn't hurt anything as far as I knew. Simple ideas from simple minds. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:04 PM Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 15:07:23 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VIR In-Reply-To: References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: <8E9FC0B5-EDAD-4B82-A413-CAECDB4DE524@yahoo.com> I know the feeling Bob. New job here as well And my car is down. Easy fix but between honey dos and available funds, I have had another minimal race season. Next Year! Ty Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I love VIR and would love to make the trip but I'm already one week in the > hole on vacation time this year. New job, less time off, it sucks! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:59 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > >> Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but >> I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC >> with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call > I >> could be wrong on that. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. >> >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations >> regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, >> any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) >> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of >> (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, >> marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter >> addressed herein. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:44 PM >> To: 'john hasty'; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: RE: [Fot] VIR >> >> One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? >> jim g >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of john hasty >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] VIR >> >> Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the >> VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa >> OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, >> Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. >> >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations >> regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, >> any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) >> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of >> (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, >> marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter >> addressed herein. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 12 18:09:36 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:09:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas In-Reply-To: <3450CA80-C5ED-42EC-8CC2-A4FA1BCEA4C6@gmail.com> References: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> <3450CA80-C5ED-42EC-8CC2-A4FA1BCEA4C6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B795121-CC38-4845-9FD4-723B5C30A969@gdhs.com> 2nd.... Another old bike rider is ok with me! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > Second! > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > >> I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT > membership. >> >> Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy >> car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club >> newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin >> autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last >> year. >> In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. >> Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to >> the US at some time. >> >> Do I have a second? >> Thank you >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Sep 12 19:01:35 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) Message-ID: First video from ELVF at Road America last weekend. This was a qualifying race, and folks were behaving poorly for some reason. 1080p video, got some rattling from the go-pro within its case. You can see some of what's going on behind me in the right hand door mirror. http://youtu.be/0xxASD8etiE More (better) to come as I produce the videos. Front suspension upgrade was fine, although I ended up with less ground clearance than I planned. I'll take it back apart and flip the lower wishbones right side up to get a bit more clearance. Turn in didn't feel as crisp as I remembered, but that may have something to do with going back to used Speedsters. Thanks again to everyone who offered advice, pictures, parts and moral support in the front suspension swap! Tony Drews From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 12 19:19:46 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:19:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] TR3 video from VARA Buttonwillow "Oktoberfest" last weekend Message-ID: <32910791.1347499187165.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Here's my in-car video from Saturday's qualifying race in HD. Please skip the first 10 minutes if you want to miss 3 minutes of sitting on the grid, the pace lap, the no-green, and the second pace lap! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iiSAdXvV5c ~Steve From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:28:59 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1291135815.1583443.1347499739926.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:01:40 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: ; ; ; "fubog1" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > AE "Hepolyte" pressure cast 87mm pistons were set up by AE with .005" > clearance at the bottom of the skirt at 90 degrees to the pin. Most > forged pistons will require more than that. > Kas has mentioned his technique of warming the piston in boiling water, > measuring the skirt diameter at that temperature, then adding (if I > remember correctly) .003" to the "hot size" of the piston to determine the > correct bore size. > In the engine we built that scuffed skirts 3 times in succession, it > always ran fine on the dyno and it high rpm. It scuffed the skirts idling > in the garage, running slowly around the pits, and after a hard run on > curvy mountain roads, driving slowly on city streets, then pulling into a > parking low. The culprit was the low rpm not putting enough oil onto the > cylinder walls of an engine with "steel billet rods" that had no provision > for squirting oil onto the cylinder walls at low rpm. > > Greg Solow > > The Engine Room From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:34:28 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <938CE29454F34D0FAC5E503C9E8A2863@TER2> Message-ID: <952125742.1583672.1347500068275.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'm forwarding these message for Greg. He has not been able to communicate through the FoT autox.team.net address. Dave H. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:17:04 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Robert Blake" ; ; Cc: "Blake Gregory" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > Concerning water flow and overheating. On all race engines we modify the > block to improve water flow to the rear of the block. 1. Mount up the > water pump housing onto the front of the block. with the liners removed, > grind the rectangular opening through which all the water passes into the > block. treat it like a head port. Enlarge the hole to match the gasket > opening, smooth the transition into the block, open the hole to promote > water flow down the right side of the water passage. 2. Round off and > reduce the projections into the water jacket under the long cylinder head > studs without removing to much material. 3. open up the rectangular > opening in the bulkhead of the block between cylinder #2 &3. Round off the > edges of this hole in a way to promote flow the front to the rear of the > block. At the rear of the block, grind open the top rear to match the > triangular water holes in the bottom rear of the head. Modify the head > gasket to match. So the water transfer passages from the block the to head > are both triangular, matching, and at least as large as the head casting > will allow without getting to close to the cylinder sealing ring. 4. > Lastly, lay the head gasket on the top of the block. There are 4 small > round water holes on the left side under the spark plugs. Mark these hole > on the top of the block and on the top of the liners. mark the liners so > they can be reinstalled in the EXACTLY SAME POSITION each time they have > been removed. Now grind a channel that is 1/2 round at the top, about 2 > inches long, getting wider toward the bottom straight down the inside of > the water jacket of the block so that you have created a channel that > leads water up into the round hole in the gasket and then into the passage > under each of the 4 spark plugs. You can beneficially do the same thing on > the matching side of each liner so there will be a fully round hole > feeding water to the under side of each spark plug. > We have not found it necessary to restrict any of the passages or vent > coolant out of the heater outlet on the head. > We also slow the water pump down by about 30% for engines that are > normally run at speeds between 4,000 and 7,000 as we believe the pump was > designed to operate optimally at around 2500 rpm in a Vanguard Saloon car. > We have seen a lot of air bubble formation in engines run on the dyno at > speeds over 4,000 rpm. Reducing the water pump speed 30% resulted in a > dramatic reduction in these bubbles, and an increase in power at 6,000 rpm > of about 6% on a "full race" engine. > Lots of oil and the cylinder walls, proper skirt clearance, good > coolant flow from front to rear in the block, a good radiator properly > ducted and sealed to the front of the car should cure the scuffing and > overheating issues. > > Greg Solow > > The Engine Room > > Santa Cruz, Ca > > 831 429-1800 From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:41:43 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2038173784.1583924.1347500503364.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I've been practicing Greg's expert motor building tips with his direct assistance and hope to be testing them soon. Lucky for me to live in Santa Cruz, Dave H. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:18:15 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "EDWARD BARNARD" ; "Friends of Triumph" ; "Greg Solow" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > Lubricating the cylinder walls in a TR-4 engine with billet rods. When > you install a standard TR-4 road bearing in a billet con rod, the oil hole > that used to transfer oil up the stock rod now sits at roughly a 45 degree > angle in the rod. We have our machinist drill a hole about 1/2 way through > the wall of the big end of the rod in line with this oil hole and about > 1/8" in diameter. The hole is then finished the rest of the way through at > a diameter of .030". This creates a jet that two times each revolution of > the engine, when the hole in the bearing lines up with the oil feed hole > in the crank rod journal, squirts oil on the "thrust side" of the cylinder > wall. I.e., the rods must be assembled so the hole faces the manifold side > of the engine. > This idea was copied from the design of the English Ford 116e which do > the same thing. It supplies enough oil to the thrust side of the cylinder > and piston to prevent scuffing at any rpm, if the clearance and finish are > correct. > We can have your rods done for you, if you wish. Call for more > information. > > Greg Solow > > 831 429-1800 From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 19:56:56 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) In-Reply-To: <20120913010545.8C8B92C0CDF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <885479340.1584457.1347501416903.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey Tony, I think the red mist began when the umbrella girls walked by on the grid. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:01:35 PM Subject: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) First video from ELVF at Road America last weekend. This was a qualifying race, and folks were behaving poorly for some reason. 1080p video, got some rattling from the go-pro within its case. You can see some of what's going on behind me in the right hand door mirror. http://youtu.be/0xxASD8etiE More (better) to come as I produce the videos. Front suspension upgrade was fine, although I ended up with less ground clearance than I planned. I'll take it back apart and flip the lower wishbones right side up to get a bit more clearance. Turn in didn't feel as crisp as I remembered, but that may have something to do with going back to used Speedsters. Thanks again to everyone who offered advice, pictures, parts and moral support in the front suspension swap! Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Sep 12 20:11:12 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 02:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment In-Reply-To: <0824D42548EB4D509C20789D8DEF7E52@TER2> Message-ID: <2022419171.1585141.1347502272772.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Oops, I forgot this one. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:17:23 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Solow" > To: "Robert Blake" ; > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > >> Piston scuffing can be caused by lack of lubrication on the cylinder >> walls, especially at low rpm when using "steel" billet connecting rods >> that do not have any provision for oiling the cylinder walls at low rpm, >> as do the stock rods. We have seen this happen in 3 consecutive rebuilds >> of the same engine with 3 different makes of pistons, even with "coated" >> piston skirts. The fix was to modify the rods to squirt oil onto the >> cylinder walls each revolution of the engine. >> >> Greg Solow >> >> The Engine Room >> >> Santa Cruz, Ca. >> >> 831 429-1800 From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Sep 13 08:38:56 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:38:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA ELVF, In-Car videos 2 and 3 Message-ID: Elkhart Lake Vintage Fest, Road America, 9/9/2012 races. "Sheldon Cup" for Production cars running 2:40 to 3:00 lap times. Good race early, then things got predictable. I edited out the laps where nothing much happened. It's nice that they set up this race and the "Kimberly Cup" for cars running 3:00 or greater lap times - you get to run with some guys you don't normally run with, and get another session in race format (rather than practice format) which is what we all live for. http://youtu.be/pZ4ra1jJ3t0 Group 2 Feature Race. Fun start, then things settled down. THEN my car cut out briefly and let a couple of the cars who were following me by. That made things more interesting as I try to chase them back down. Fun finish. http://youtu.be/vKkpcMcxxZk In both videos, the go-pro is rattling inside the case a bit. That's kind of annoying. I'll have to figure out something to fix that. Tony Drews From igofaster at att.net Thu Sep 13 10:03:30 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay Message-ID: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of $$$ IMHO... 280961967514 item number on eBay... not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or current bids... Bobby From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Sep 13 10:12:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation Message-ID: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. I was told, early on, that this wouldnt work, but it has. Now we are known globally, even though we have made little effort in that direction. RECENT Donors: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER BOB KRAMER These are unsolicited donations. But, If you must: Checks to: Friends of Triumph.....I maintain an account under that name. PAYPAL = N197TR4 at CS.COM Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Sep 13 10:20:16 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:20:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good to see it. Tired of seeing undervalued GT6's. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2012, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of > $$$ IMHO... > > 280961967514 > > item number on eBay... > > not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or > current bids... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Sep 13 10:35:52 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of > $$$ IMHO... > > 280961967514 > > item number on eBay... > > not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or > current bids... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From chasgee at aol.com Thu Sep 13 11:24:05 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:24:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64B57791-0A73-4AB0-8392-92DEFCD04F6D@aol.com> Cool, sold for $18,500! On Sep 13, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Vince G wrote: > A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > >> I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type > of >> $$$ IMHO... >> >> 280961967514 >> >> item number on eBay... >> >> not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or >> current bids... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Sep 13 11:53:21 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:53:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay In-Reply-To: <64B57791-0A73-4AB0-8392-92DEFCD04F6D@aol.com> References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <64B57791-0A73-4AB0-8392-92DEFCD04F6D@aol.com> Message-ID: It sure was handsome Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-13, at 1:24 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Cool, sold for $18,500! > > > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Vince G wrote: > >> A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: >> >>> I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type >> of >>> $$$ IMHO... >>> >>> 280961967514 >>> >>> item number on eBay... >>> >>> not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or >>> current bids... >>> >>> Bobby >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Sep 14 07:23:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation In-Reply-To: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF60934F08DA22-BA4-636BD@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> FOT NON-DUES HONOR ROLL The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. 300 TRIUMPH GUYS ON THIS LIST. THIS WEEK'S HONOR ROLL: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER BOB KRAMER CHARLES WATSON BOB DAVIS These are unsolicited donations Checks to: Friends of Triumph.....I maintain an account under that name. PAYPAL = N197TR4 at CS.COM Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Sep 14 08:49:14 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP FEATURED IN "TRIUMPH WORLD" Message-ID: <8CF609F3E09CD2E-BA4-63F00@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> UK's "TRIUMPH WORLD" did a three page feature on the KASTNER CUP at THE MITTY. It is an outstanding article with text and pictures by John Clancy. Thank you John! John and his wife have been invited to the 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America next September and it is their current plan to join us. John, of course, produced "CALIFORNIA AIR" and several other TRIUMPH DVDs. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Sep 14 13:03:31 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND Message-ID: <8CF60C2C4090792-BA4-6596E@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Iowa based HALKIAS fan club will be at Road America to support Sam Halkias....in small way. SEAN BRENDAN JOE Anyone else going to join us? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 13:11:15 2012 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND In-Reply-To: <8CF60C2C4090792-BA4-6596E@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF60C2C4090792-BA4-6596E@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1347649875.30898.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yeap; where do you plan on watching from? ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:03 PM Subject: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND Iowa based HALKIAS fan club will be at Road America to support Sam Halkias....in small way. SEAN BRENDAN JOE Anyone else going to join us? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From mmoore at wave1.net Fri Sep 14 17:33:53 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:33:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Austin Healey Help Message-ID: <000601cd92d1$671d8360$35588a20$@net> Not a Triumph, but he is my dad, and he needs a right front axle for his Austin Healey 3000 Mk III. Does anyone have an idea where he could look for one, as you cannot buy a new one? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Sep 14 17:42:43 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:42:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Austin Healey Help In-Reply-To: <000601cd92d1$671d8360$35588a20$@net> References: <000601cd92d1$671d8360$35588a20$@net> Message-ID: Try sports car craftsmen in Denver co. Ask for Paul. Jim g Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > Not a Triumph, but he is my dad, and he needs a right front axle for his > Austin Healey 3000 Mk III. > > > > Does anyone have an idea where he could look for one, as you cannot buy a > new one? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Sep 15 12:14:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT ARTIST WANTED 2013 KASTNER CUP POSTER AT ROAD AMERICA Message-ID: <8CF6185185A6662-1DC4-B2F07@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH, Looking for contributing artist for our FOT/VTR POSTER SERIES for the 11th RUNNING OF THE KASTNER CUP.. past artists have been: BLAKE DISCHER GREG PETROLATI STEVE BELFER The poster series has been a collaboration between the FOT AND THE VTR for the past several years. It is produced by Joe Pawlak (ISOA) at his material cost and paid for by VTR. Posters are distributed free to FOT and VTR members as an event premium for those who are able to attend.. Simplicity is key as it will also likely be used on our event shirts. Additional value is achieved by using this image to advertize and promote the Kastner Cup throughout the year. This is another example of how we operate without a need for large cash outlays...... THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Sep 16 00:55:48 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 petro injection Message-ID: <1347778548.2781.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: There is an entire petro system for a TR5-6 available in Salado, TX. http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/3177433387.html NFI! Thanks - Ed From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Sep 16 01:00:51 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 4.55/1 diff Message-ID: <1347778851.49643.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: While clearing stuff off the pallet racks in the shop I came upon a 4.55/1 Spitfire diff. This is the complete third member minus the rear cover and stub axles, although I have plenty of those on the shelf. VGC! Great for autox! If anyone is interested email me. Thanks - Ed From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun Sep 16 15:51:09 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:51:09 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re TR6 petro injection Message-ID: i can probably help with a complete system but I'm in Australia Terry From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 16 16:44:53 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:44:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe Message-ID: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> ...Alexander. Hope you had a good day. Dennis&Joan From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 17:35:51 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:35:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 for sale - Around $2500-$3000 Message-ID: <50566257.6050409@gmail.com> I was recently approached by a guy who decided to put his 1957 TR3 up for sale. He has had it for a number of years & decided to rebuild it. According to him the engine & rest of the drive train is done and I think he said the suspension was done. Anyway he went through a divorce, kept the car but lost the garage. The car has been sitting outside under a tarp for a couple of years. Since he can't find a garage for it he has decided to sell it. The body needs cleaning up and painting and it needs an interior. He has a bunch of new parts for the car. The car is located a couple miles South of Flagstaff off # 17. For details, call Jerry at 928-607-5018 TeriAnn From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 16 17:58:47 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:58:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe In-Reply-To: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> References: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <505667B7.7020506@bradakis.com> Dennis Delap wrote: > ...Alexander. > > Hope you had a good day. > Dennis&Joan > _______________________________________________ I'll certainly second that! mjb. From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Sep 16 18:59:21 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe In-Reply-To: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <894605216.1705188.1347843561304.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yes indeed, Happy Birthday, Joe. H ope you had a good day. Thanks for the reminder, Dennis. D&D in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Delap" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:44:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe ...Alexander. Hope you had a good day. Dennis&Joan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Sep 17 07:03:30 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation In-Reply-To: <8CF60934F08DA22-BA4-636BD@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <8CF60934F08DA22-BA4-636BD@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF62EBF7351992-1EC0-7098B@webmail-m011.sysops.aol.com> Add contributors to the list: DAVE HOGYE BRAD AND SUSAN KAHLER JEFF SNOOK Thanks guys................... If you are a commercial entity and on this list, your involvement is welcome, too. The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. 300 TRIUMPH GUYS ON THIS LIST. From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 09:14:25 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:14:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Message-ID: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. Replace guides and all valves. 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover collapsed piston (called by Kas). 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & sleeves. Install that night. 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how large the class was!) 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be done without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, (Neil's Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a close second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. Thanks gang! The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 Spitfire. My little anguish-list above appears inconsequential compared to the nose damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 10:03:05 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:03:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> Message-ID: Awesome replay of a hard fought and successful outing filled with challenges... Thanks for sharing and congrats! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-17, at 11:15 AM, "Richard Taylor" wrote: > ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 > > > > 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. > Replace guides and all valves. > > 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep > stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. > > 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover > collapsed piston (called by Kas). > > 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & > sleeves. Install that night. > > 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 > miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). > > 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic > pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. > > 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken > wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. > > 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute > race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. > > 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings > from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. > > 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how > large the class was!) > > 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up > trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. > > > > As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be done > without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, (Neil's > Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a close > second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. > > > > Thanks gang! > > > > The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 Spitfire. My > little anguish-list above appears inconsequential compared to the nose > damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Sep 17 10:09:58 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:09:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> Message-ID: Gee, Richard given the date on your post, are you predicting this is what is gona happen to you or is this what happened this past weekend at the HSR event? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Vince G Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:03 PM To: Richard Taylor Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Road Atlanta Awesome replay of a hard fought and successful outing filled with challenges... Thanks for sharing and congrats! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-17, at 11:15 AM, "Richard Taylor" wrote: > ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 > > > > 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. > Replace guides and all valves. > > 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep > stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. > > 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover > collapsed piston (called by Kas). > > 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & > sleeves. Install that night. > > 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 > miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). > > 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic > pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. > > 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken > wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. > > 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute > race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. > > 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings > from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. > > 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how > large the class was!) > > 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up > trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. > > > > As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be > done without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, > (Neil's > Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a > close second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. > > > > Thanks gang! > > > > The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 > Spitfire. My little anguish-list above appears inconsequential > compared to the nose damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Sep 17 13:41:01 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car HOW TO POST AN ALERT In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE5AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE5AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CF6323801EDFE0-85C-7707F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> This comes from Scott Barr, Esq Hi Joe, I wanted to get this info through to the list. I still canbt post directly to the list and Ibve been sitting on this info since July waiting to get put back on the list. Would you mind posting this for me? In the event of future race car thefts, a first step would be to go to www.scraptheftalert.com and post regarding the theft. This site sends an automatic alert to scrap yards within 100 miles of the site of the theft. Scott From: Vicki A. Kerry [mailto:goldiniron at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:15 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: RE: FW: [Fot] Stolen Race Car You can just go to www.scraptheftalert.com From there you can do whatever you want. You can register to receive notices, search different areas via zip or even state, scan for specific items...pretty much whatever you want. Hopefully this helps. If not, let me know and I can further investigate. Make it a GREAT day, Vicki A. Kerry Goldin Iron & Metal Recycling Corp. 300 Farmland Drive Kaukauna, WI 54130 (920)766-4201 From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Sep 17 14:24:58 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Bud, I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so I can't just measure them in the bin. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ From: Bud Rolofson To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for the > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This is one > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is better. > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 14:37:31 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:37:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta In-Reply-To: References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> Message-ID: <018e01cd9514$43eb6fc0$cbc24f40$@net> All I missed was the month? This is hard evidence proving that one of the imperatives of a weekend of challenges is to disassociate ourselves from the hard edges of everyday reality. Last night, as I drove home on a balmy October night with the top down, I'm not sure I could have gotten my birth date right. By noon tomorrow, unfortunately, the high will have worn off and I'll get back to worrying about what time it is. Hell, maybe I'll even roll back time and do September again. It's my choice! Richard -----Original Message----- From: john hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:10 PM To: 'Vince G'; 'Richard Taylor' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Road Atlanta Gee, Richard given the date on your post, are you predicting this is what is gona happen to you or is this what happened this past weekend at the HSR event? John H. Hasty From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Sep 17 15:11:19 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:11:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8013C32AA5EA44E8A03AFD08277EB7BA@hpd530> Pegasus sells an item called Stat-O-Seal. They work great; an aluminum washer with a built in inner seal. PN 3245-5/16 for the TR6; around $1.60 each. Other sizes go from #6 to 1". They work great. I gave one to a Corvette guy at the Glen last weekend and it fixed his problem. 800 688-6946 or PegasusAutoRacing.com NFI Hope this helps. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: "Bud Rolofson" ; "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > Hi Bud, > > I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I > called a Honda > parts dept. and they say that this is not a good number for > them. Do you have > any other particulars such as a Honda model that uses > them, etc? They also say > they need to order them so I can't just measure > them in the bin. > > > Thanks, Jim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Bud Rolofson > To: Mark J Bradakis > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] > Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > > That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've > had great luck stopping leaks out the > cover bolt holes with these. > > > Bud > Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for the >> > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down >> > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This is one >> > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is better. >> > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. >> >> mjb. >> > _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Sep 17 16:36:12 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:36:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <040B1BE9-FD48-4283-A363-3636CC2BD8F5@comcast.net> They are a Honda motorcycle part number. I'm guessing you tried Honda auto parts. I didn't really say that did I? My bad. Mark made reference to a Gold Wing so I was in the motorcycle mode already. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:24 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Hi Bud, > > I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I > called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good > number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda > model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so > I can't just measure them in the bin. > > Thanks, Jim > > From: Bud Rolofson > To: Mark J Bradakis > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > > That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping > leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit > for the > > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down > > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This > is one > > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is > better. > > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. > > > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 17 17:51:47 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:51:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car HOW TO POST AN ALERT In-Reply-To: <8CF6323801EDFE0-85C-7707F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE5AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CF6323801EDFE0-85C-7707F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5057B793.9080300@bradakis.com> > I wanted to get this info through to the list. I still can't post directly to the list and I've been > sitting on this info since July waiting to get put back on the list. Wen you send a message that gets rejected you should get a response back indicating the nature of the problem. What does it say? There seems to be no record of any of your attempts in the admin logs for the list. mjb. From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Sep 17 18:00:58 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket In-Reply-To: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact surface on the block in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less violent. PO thought he would glue this thing forever. Thanks, Jim From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 18:33:43 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:33:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket In-Reply-To: <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5057C167.4000605@gmail.com> On 9/17/12 5:00 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact surface on the block > in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less violent. PO > thought he would glue this thing forever. Thanks, Jim When old gaskets are reluctant to vacate I like to use a rotary brush on a drill. It has always worked like a charm for me. I like to follow it up with a solvent to prepare the surfaces for whatever I goop du jour intend to slather on afterwords. TeriAnn From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Sep 17 19:39:21 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:39:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket In-Reply-To: <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <029c01cd953e$6dc7bd10$0601a8c0@randall> > Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact > surface on the block > in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less > violent. I've been using Loctite "Chisel" gasket remover. Comes in a rattle can instead of brush, and is kind of pricy and slow. Still works better than anything else I've found. http://goo.gl/mCvnl Looks like the active ingredient is mostly methylene chloride, so the old "aircraft" paint stripper might work as well, if you can still find the MC-based stuff. -- Randall From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Sep 18 17:57:56 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1BE1F2B6A7BF441F8AE8F0D0D28C0AFC@TER2> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, ,,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>,, , ,<001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , ,<003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , ,<004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , ,<005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84 ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com><1347913498.56821.Y ahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <040B1BE9-FD48-4283-A363-3636CC2BD8F5@comcast.net> <1BE1F2B6A7BF441F8AE8F0D0D28C0AFC@TER2> Message-ID: <1348012676.31093.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greg, what does the Mazda part look like? Is the rubber portion shaped like the Honda part? Jim ________________________________ From: Greg Solow To: Bud Rolofson ; sherry robyn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 3:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover The best valve cover bolt seals we have found for any of the TR engines that have 5/16" studs comming up through the valve cover is a Maxda part # 0324-10-237. They are a steel washer with a rubber seal bonded to the bottom of it. The steel is ridged enough to distribute the load and help prevent distorting the valve cover. they seal perfectly and are inexpensive. They can be used over and over again may times. We sell them for $2.87 each. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" To: "sherry robyn" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > They are a Honda motorcycle part number. I'm guessing you tried Honda > auto parts. I didn't really say that did I? My bad. Mark made > reference to a Gold Wing so I was in the motorcycle mode already. > > > Bud > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:24 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Hi Bud, >> >> I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I >> called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good >> number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda >> model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so >> I can't just measure them in the bin. >> >> Thanks, Jim >> >> From: Bud Rolofson >> To: Mark J Bradakis >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover >> >> That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping >> leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. >> >> >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> >> > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit >> for the >> > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down >> > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This >> is one >> > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is >> better. >> > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. >> > >> > mjb. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 19 08:04:49 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:04:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 19 08:23:28 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Message-ID: <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Sep 19 08:27:44 2012 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: <18702a25.a5d67.139deed6a8e.Webtop.13@optonline.net> Classic! On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. > Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for > gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as > buying > gold! > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. > Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From keithfiles at btinternet.com Wed Sep 19 08:39:10 2012 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:39:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6660D755-DAB4-459B-B742-E12AD5C51BA1@btinternet.com> Historic racing AND modern racing i.e. supporting Josh, great fun but rubbish for the bank account. Somebody once asked how you became a millionaire through racing, answer; start of a multi millionaire.... Sent from my iPad On 19 Sep 2012, at 15:23, Joe Alexander wrote: > VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Taylor > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am > Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying > gold! > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 09:28:34 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:28:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Now this I would have to agree with! LOL Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-19, at 10:24 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Taylor > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am > Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying > gold! > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 09:44:50 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:44:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Sep 19 10:24:45 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:24:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Message-ID: I will defer to Roger Penske who reportedly said that to make a million dollars in racing you have to start with two million. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 > www.taylor-architecture.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Sep 19 13:08:33 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:08:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net><8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> Message-ID: <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 13:09:37 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 13:15:28 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:15:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: Send me a post card... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-19, at 3:08 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Sep 19 13:24:10 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:24:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: John, Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 though... Rather... were they were over 18? Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Sep 19 13:32:36 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Message-ID: <8CF64B4A87A687D-1154-C0A9@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. (There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green conditions". Entry fee: $515.00 Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 Misc.: about $200.00 Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America is $2000/lap. If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a "normal" weekend. Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. I think I should work in Government accounting. John -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is 1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying old! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S .+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite 96 tlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 ww.taylor-architecture.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 13:35:19 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <1348083319.98724.YahooMailNeo@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the creative Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. From the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls strolled around the paddock. Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: Jason Ostrowski >To: john hasty >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > >John, >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? >Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. >And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 >though... >Rather... were they were over 18? > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here >> the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) >> is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the >> message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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I'm not dead yet! On 9/19/12 2:35 PM, "Gary Schneider" wrote: I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the creative Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. From the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls strolled around the paddock. Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: Jason Ostrowski >To: john hasty >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > >John, >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? >Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. >And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 >though... >Rather... were they were over 18? > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here >> the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) >> is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the >> message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 13:54:15 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1348083319.98724.YahooMailNeo@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> <1348083319.98724.YahooMailNeo@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I can see right now I am racing at the wrong tracks, example..Roebling Roads Raceway...no spectators allowed...Gold Cup at VIR ...alot of old race cars that attract alot of old people that remember the old cars....where are all the girls !! That's the "pits"....ha ..ha a good thing that everyone is having fun ! On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: > I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the > creative > Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. > From > the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls > strolled > around the paddock. > Gary Schneider > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > From: Jason Ostrowski > >To: john hasty > > >Cc: fot at autox.team.net > >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, > 2012 2:24 PM > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > >John, > >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? > >Sure maybe they > weren't showering you with kisses. > >And..the question there was not weather or > not they were younger than 65 > >though... > >Rather... were they were over 18? > > > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > > > >Jason Ostrowski > >Friendly Ghost Racing > > > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, > john hasty wrote: > > > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to > Germany. At the races I've been to here > >> the women are all over 65, fully > clothed and no kisses. > >> > >> > >> John H. Hasty > >> Attorney At Law > >> Guthrie, > Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > >> 719 East Boulevard > >> Charlotte, North > Carolina 28203-5113 > >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 > >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 > >> E-mail: > jhhasty at gdhs.com > >> www.gdhs.com > >> > >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > This message (and any attachments) > >> is > >> intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that > >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, > and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > >> If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >> dissemination of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > >> received this > communication in error, please erase all copies of the > >> message > >> and its > attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > >> > >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 > NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > >> regarding tax > advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > >> otherwise, > >> any tax > advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > >> is not > intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > >> (i) > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > >> > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > >> > addressed herein. > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: > fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > >> Behalf Of > MadMarx > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > >> To: > fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > >> > >> I agree too. > >> And have to add: > >> Nowhere else you get in contact to so > many nice and helpful people as with > >> racing - not to forget the light > dressed young girls who give kisses. > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> > Unsubscribe: > >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 14:02:09 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:02:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> References: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: BTW.... The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 14:26:28 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:26:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Message-ID: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> Government accounting is right if you get 84 laps. 7 laps per session, 2 sessions per day for 3 days only works out to 42 laps by my math. But, at Road America, that is 168 miles so on the per mile basis... Ouch, my head hurts from the calculations. :-) Cheers, -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad John Houlton wrote: >Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: > >Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. >(There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green >conditions". > >Entry fee: $515.00 >Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 >Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 >Misc.: about $200.00 > >Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend > >So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America >is $2000/lap. > >If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day >for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup >race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a >"normal" weekend. > >Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, >given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small >investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment >anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have >run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a >return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends >to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, >and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. > >I think I should work in Government accounting. > >John > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Taylor >To: fot >Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am >Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > >Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > >Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of >edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is >1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying >old! > > >Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA >TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > >blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S >.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite >96 >tlanta, Georgia, 30307 >tel: >blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >4)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 >fax: (404) 223-1312 >mobile: >blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >4)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > >ww.taylor-architecture.com >______________________________________________ >ot at autox.team.net >http://www.fot-racing.com >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >orums: http://www.team.net/forums >nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 15:11:29 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:11:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <000901cd96ab$57d25ab0$07771010$@com> Damned! Found no photos! But a video of mine: https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/5350206798884334 209/5490849592001845394?banner=pwa -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: tr4racing at googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. September 2012 22:02 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; john hasty; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: AW: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy BTW.... The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Sep 19 15:28:15 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> References: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> Message-ID: <8CF64C4CFF5D8C5-998-BDAF@webmail-d155.sysops.aol.com> Oops, your right Doug. I meant 4 sessions, two morning, two afternoon. But close enough for government work. What the heck, it's the THEORY that is sound, not those pesky numbers. They always get in the way. Like facts. John -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell To: John Houlton Cc: tarch ; Fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 3:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Government accounting is right if you get 84 laps. 7 laps per session, 2 essions per day for 3 days only works out to 42 laps by my math. But, at Road merica, that is 168 miles so on the per mile basis... Ouch, my head hurts from he calculations. :-) Cheers, -- oug Mitchell mitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad John Houlton wrote: >Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. (There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green conditions". Entry fee: $515.00 Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 Misc.: about $200.00 Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America is $2000/lap. If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a "normal" weekend. Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. I think I should work in Government accounting. John -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is 1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying old! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S .+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite 96 tlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 ww.taylor-architecture.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 19 17:08:04 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <8CF64D2C203C2AD-B6C-F3B9@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Good job Jason! Grid Girls are being discussed as well as some interesting videography. ROAD AMERICA'S KASTNER CUP will be memorable. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: john hasty Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy John, Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 though... Rather... were they were over 18? Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Sep 19 17:41:24 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:41:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Message-ID: Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Sep 19 18:21:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF64DD0279E1CD-B6C-FAFD@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Good information....we will be there. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:42 pm Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed Sep 19 18:36:15 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:36:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505A64FF.6060904@bradakis.com> Attending the Runoffs has been on my To Do list for 30 - 40 years. Some day... I should probably start saving my pennies for next year's Kastner Cup, another goal to achieve. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Sep 19 19:16:38 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:16:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> References: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> Message-ID: <505A6E76.80401@bradakis.com> Every now and again an "investment guide" shows up on the net. Basically it invests $1000 each in various stocks and buys $1000 worth of cheap beer in aluminum cans. After one year each of the stocks is worth less than the amount you'd get by recycling those beer cans. Finance can be fun! mjb. From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Sep 20 07:47:51 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: <505A64FF.6060904@bradakis.com> References: <505A64FF.6060904@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Attending the Runoffs has been on my To Do list for 30 - 40 years. Some > day... > > I should probably start saving my pennies for next year's Kastner Cup, > another > goal to achieve. Mark - I'm pretty sure the SCCA Runoffs will be the week following the ELVF event / Kastner Kup. All you have to do is figure out how to hang around for a couple of days. Heck, if you have SCCA F&C credentials, you can probably flag TUE or WED and get in for free (including free camping for SCCA workers. Such a deal! I'm trying out how to swing the Solo Nats (with Khartu) the first week of SEP 2013 and then the Kastner Cup AND at least some of the Runoffs week. "Hello, Boss? I'm taking next SEPTEMBER off." But it's a good starting point for negotiations, if nothing else. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Sep 20 07:49:04 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:49:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy In-Reply-To: <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: Ah! Dijon-Prenois I believe the French F1 was held there several times, but I expect the town is better known for its Moutarde de Dijon. Perhaps if you first stroke La Chouette, with your left hand of course, those cute, under 65, gals will favor you with their kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:02 PM To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; john hasty; fot at autox.team.net Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy BTW.... The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From stlnyc at msn.com Thu Sep 20 19:28:43 2012 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:28:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 Pictures In-Reply-To: <2A6EB37FB96C3347B9DF1C6CD144356CF469C7@kcexch01.koelbel.local> References: , <2A6EB37FB96C3347B9DF1C6CD144356CF469C7@kcexch01.koelbel.local> Message-ID: Amici- Posting this for Silvio as he has not been able to post it himself. NFI personally. Fred Hodgson > Subject: FW: TR3 Pictures > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:10:56 -0600 > From: silvio at koelbelco.com > To: autowizards at msn.com; stlnyc at msn.com > > Fred, > This is the link to the photos of the TR3 that James set up online. > This is one of the earliest TR3s out there. I think the serial number > is under 10,000. > We would like to get $3,000 for the car. Can you help me by getting it > posted on FOT? > I plan to post is on Craigslist and VTR tonight. > Thanks, > Silvio > > Silvio DeBartolomeis > Vice President of Sales and Marketing > Koelbel and Company > 303-995-6363 > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Scott DeBartolomeis [mailto:jdebarto at mymail.mines.edu] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:14 PM > To: Silvio DeBartolomeis > Subject: TR3 Pictures > > http://s1147.photobucket.com/albums/o550/jdebart/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ24 From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Sep 20 19:58:28 2012 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:58:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SOLD! FW: TR3 Pictures In-Reply-To: References: , <2A6EB37FB96C3347B9DF1C6CD144356CF469C7@kcexch01.koelbel.local> Message-ID: <1E52C6F4-1B9E-49CF-B090-417ECB6494F3@earthlink.net> Hello all, I was going to wait until I have it home to post, but I'll be bringing the poor little TR home on Saturday. Thanks so much for the tip TeriAnne! I'll update soon. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Sep 20, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > Amici- > > Posting this for Silvio as he has not been able to post it > himself. NFI > personally. > > Fred Hodgson > > >> Subject: FW: TR3 Pictures >> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:10:56 -0600 >> From: silvio at koelbelco.com >> To: autowizards at msn.com; stlnyc at msn.com >> >> Fred, >> This is the link to the photos of the TR3 that James set up online. >> This is one of the earliest TR3s out there. I think the serial number >> is under 10,000. >> We would like to get $3,000 for the car. Can you help me by >> getting it >> posted on FOT? >> I plan to post is on Craigslist and VTR tonight. >> Thanks, >> Silvio >> >> Silvio DeBartolomeis >> Vice President of Sales and Marketing >> Koelbel and Company >> 303-995-6363 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Scott DeBartolomeis [mailto:jdebarto at mymail.mines.edu] >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:14 PM >> To: Silvio DeBartolomeis >> Subject: TR3 Pictures >> >> http://s1147.photobucket.com/albums/o550/jdebart/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ24 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From gasket.works at verizon.net Fri Sep 21 08:26:23 2012 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MORDY DUNST) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:26:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link Message-ID: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage racing crowd. Enjoy. http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Sep 21 09:05:43 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:05:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link In-Reply-To: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> References: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: There are some really good photos there, thanks. John On Fri, September 21, 2012 10:26 am, MORDY DUNST wrote: > CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from > various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage > racing crowd. Enjoy. > > http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Sep 21 10:01:56 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:01:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link In-Reply-To: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> References: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> Message-ID: THANK YOU!!! Terrific collection. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: MORDY DUNST Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:26 AM To: FOT Cc: editor at vintageracecar.com Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage racing crowd. Enjoy. http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 20:48:53 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:48:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cool 1961 Le Mans movie by Triumph Message-ID: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> In case you haven't seen this. Ty http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=VGfQOLFHgYE Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 22 19:36:55 2012 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1348364215.56559.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The day started cold and wet but by race time it was just cold. It was not a notable day for Triumph racing. Sam Halkias was up with the front runners in EP until he got tagged which broke something in the rear causing Sam to do a very interesting 180 snap spin approaching Turn 5 putting him on the trailer earlier than scheduled. In GTL Steve Sargis started up front battling with the leaders until he pulled off with mechanical issues. From beginning to end today's GTL race was the best I have ever seen; lead changes several times each lap with Prather out powering Lentz to the checker winning by the nonexistant perverbal bumper or 0.023 seconds. It would have been nice if Sam and Steve could have finished as they were both very competitive. Tomorrow is the HP and FP race; hopefully more great performances by the Triumphs. ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Sep 23 05:20:16 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:20:16 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 6H of Spa In-Reply-To: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> References: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801cd997d$6a12ef80$3e38ce80$@com> If that won't make you jealous! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUIGGZhpAzY&feature=youtu.be 108 cars on the grid. Cheers Chris From cwnfot at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 08:51:45 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] App for race timing and scoring Message-ID: <001301cd999a$f422d830$dc688890$@com> I don't know if this was already discussed. If you have a smart phone or tablet, there is an App to link directly into the timing and scoring computers of participating events, such as the SCCA RunOffs. Race Monitor. Costs $5 and well worth it. We pit marshals at Lime Rock use it at events to keep track of race winners for victory laps and awards. Heck, I kept track of the HP race while watching F1 on the TV just now. Not only SCCA events, marquee club events, vintage racing, whatever, wherever!! Check it out. http://race-monitor.com/ Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Sep 23 09:45:41 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:45:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 6H of Spa In-Reply-To: <505f0b7e.66bd440a.573b.fffffc7bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> <002801cd997d$6a12ef80$3e38ce80$@com> <505f0b7e.66bd440a.573b.fffffc7bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <003001cd99a2$7e1576e0$7a4064a0$@com> Best Triumph 28th. Best MGB 20th http://www.ris-timing.be/~circuit//6hspa/2012/2012_SPA_SIX_HOURS_2012_1_Spa_ Six_Hours_Endurance_Race.pdf At 06:20 AM 9/23/2012, you wrote: >If that won't make you jealous! > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUIGGZhpAzY&feature=youtu.be > >108 cars on the grid. > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 11:56:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> STICKERS FLAGS SHIRTS MEDALLIONS ETC. John Hasty, et. al. I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to do any funding. We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'Joe Alexander' ; rblake36 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:49 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I know how it feels. Last year we went all the way up to Mosport from Charlotte only to brake a rod in the 2nd practice session.....certainly something to be avoided. Joe....are there any FOT stickers left? With the re-do of both the right and left sides of my car needed after Mid Ohio, I have lost the ones I had. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:33 AM To: rblake36 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Sorry to hear of these MECHANICAL MALADIES. BTW, it turned out that Jerry Barker's fuel supplies in his RV/Hauler trailer had lines switched from his genset to the race gas by an RV service center. He was running street gas in his Spitfire and that caused his failures at the Mitty. For myself, I have installed a bone stock TR4 engine in the AMBRO and hope to run it midpack and reliably next season. Alexander Racing isnt in a position to deal with two race engines, and we hope to return to the track in 2013 with maximum track time at the lowest expense, with the TR4 and the AMBRO. I sometimes think we ask too much of this old equipment.....especially as amateurs who do most of the work ourselves. Money is likely well spent on the suspension.....all that HP is no good if you cant go around the corners. I must be getting old. But I dont want to tow to Mosport and Road America and then return home with tortured metal. Something to think about. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:11 am Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Sun Sep 23 13:31:20 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 12:31:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] RE; El Kablamo! Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB017733E4D596@TITAN.dwholdings.local> The engine builder; Jim Clark in MN has offered to rebuild the motor for us. He's already found a block, and I'm in the midst of pulling the blown lump and crating it up to ship to him. Will keep you posted on how he does... Ed Dunn From kaskas at cox.net Sun Sep 23 14:49:08 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:49:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Race in Las Vegas Message-ID: Who is planning on this race? Never be beaten by equipment From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 23 16:13:16 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:13:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race in Las Vegas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505F897C.9080102@bradakis.com> Kas Kastner wrote: > Who is planning on this race? > > A road trip to Vegas would be nice, but I don't think I'll make it. If the race were closer to the end of the month, maybe I could have done it. mjb. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sun Sep 23 17:21:53 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:21:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3E788F15-8513-446C-8F2D-68F98ACE7ABB@aol.com> I still have badges and flags available. Let me know if your interested Chris On Sep 11, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > STICKERS > FLAGS > SHIRTS > MEDALLIONS > ETC. > > John Hasty, et. al. > > I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the > past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to > do any funding. > > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as > in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of > Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. > > I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. > > But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP > will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses > beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and > 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. > > John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 20:44:16 2012 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 22:44:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] App for race timing and scoring In-Reply-To: <001301cd999a$f422d830$dc688890$@com> References: <001301cd999a$f422d830$dc688890$@com> Message-ID: I was introduced to this app at lime rock this weekend and was excited all weekend with "watching" the run offs and sargis today. Waiting for replay to come onto speed cast now. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2012, at 10:51 AM, "Clark W. Nicholls" wrote: > I don't know if this was already discussed. > > If you have a smart phone or tablet, there is an App to link directly into > the timing and scoring computers of participating events, such as the SCCA > RunOffs. > Race Monitor. Costs $5 and well worth it. > > We pit marshals at Lime Rock use it at events to keep track of race winners > for victory laps and awards. Heck, I kept track of the HP race while > watching F1 on the TV just now. > > Not only SCCA events, marquee club events, vintage racing, whatever, > wherever!! > > Check it out. > > http://race-monitor.com/ > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Sep 24 08:25:07 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:25:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] thread tap size Message-ID: <20120924142507.TITS0.261943.root@cdptpa-web31-z01.mail.rr.com> Having a senior moment. Does anyone know the thread size for head bolts and main bearing caps for the TR3-4 engine? From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Sep 24 08:38:30 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:38:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA Message-ID: <2534EB63F3DF4CD1B45F7EF909E135FF@gdhs.local> I 'spose everyone has the news by now, but SVRA has purchased HSR-West... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Sep 24 09:39:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDING and THE OSTHOFF HOST HOTEL FOR KCUP 2013??? Message-ID: <8CF6881ED76CA29-1850-199FA@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I came back from the RUNOFFS to find more submittals for the FUND. Generosity abounds and is greatly appreciated. I will summarize and list the names when I catch up. While at the RUNOFFs I visited with sales at the OSTHOFF. The OSTHOFF is the prime candidate for HOST HOTEL. Their proposal has already appeared on my computer for review...when I get time. The OSTHOFF is the location of the ANNUAL CAR SHOW for the ELVF. The OSTHOFF has 1-2-3 Bedroom Suites available. This means that you can get two or more couples together or several of your closest friends and get the price down to 'normal' or even less. I have done this in the past and it is a very pleasant way to spend a vintage race weekend. The historic Siebkens is right next door and an opportunity to visit the well attended bar area. The FOT sticker is nicely planted in there now, as well. Siebkens is also a candidate for accommodations and has new construction in rooms. More later......thanks again for the funding. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Sep 24 09:47:17 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:47:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms Message-ID: Andy is one of the drivers of the orange TR-3 that has joined us in VSCDA at Blackhawk and Road America. They are experiencing some handling issues with their car and Andy would like to be able to lean on the collective wisdom of this group. I've offered to help mentor them, and would like to see them be successful. Do I hear a second? Mark B.: Andy Willms awillms at estatecounselors.com Thanks, Tony Drews From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 09:51:08 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms In-Reply-To: <20120924154424.1E7942D0864@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1348501868.49800.YahooMailClassic@web162204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'll second the motion! Welcome Andy Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Mon, 9/24/12, Tony Drews wrote: > From: Tony Drews > Subject: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Monday, September 24, 2012, 3:47 PM > Andy is one of the drivers of the > orange TR-3 that has joined us in VSCDA at Blackhawk and > Road America. They are experiencing some handling > issues with their car and Andy would like to be able to lean > on the collective wisdom of this group. I've offered > to help mentor them, and would like to see them be > successful. > > Do I hear a second? > > Mark B.: > Andy Willms > awillms at estatecounselors.com > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Sep 24 10:28:22 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:28:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Need a contact Message-ID: Mike Munson will you please contact me. Thanks. Never be beaten by equipment From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 17:31:42 2012 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 588-020_Clutch line_Triumph In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FD5F65B9@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FD5F65B9@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: FOT FYI, I received the attached instructions from Moss Motors regarding the universal flare used on their aftermarket hydraulic pipes. This flare works on either bubble or double flare applications. My application involved a TR4 clutch master cylinder to slave cylinder pipe using part number 588-020. The OEM pipe had a bubble flare on the master cylinder end and a double flare on the slave cylinder end. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ken Hyndman Date: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:21 PM Subject: 588-020_Clutch line_Triumph To: "johnstydo at gmail.com" ** John, I have attached some information on the universal fittings. I would suggest you install the line you have and secure it in place and it should conform to the proper flare and not leak. Do contact me if it does not work but you will be able to return it if needed as per my authorization. Kind regards, Ken Hyndman (1962 Austin Cooper 997 cc) Tech Services Moss Motors, LTD. 800-667-7872 ext 3752 hyndmank at mossmotors.com****** *Please use the REPLY function when responding to an email received from me. * *Moss Motors, Ltd. is not liable for injury or damage due to incorrect installation or use of their products. All products are sold with the understanding that the safe and proper installation and use of the products is the customer's responsibility. This Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.* [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of 980-346_Universal Flare_Supplemental Information.pdf] From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 18:53:06 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:53:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Float Gasket for SU H2S carb Message-ID: <88E8731D-0E7E-4152-8712-BA3020B1629B@comcast.net> Anyone have a spare float gasket for a SU H2S carb they would sell me. Mark Eaton lent me a manifold and set of SU H2S carbs but one float gasket is missing and I don't want to buy a whole kit to get it. Looks like this: http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Float%20Gasket%20for%20SU%20H2S%20carb/ Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 21:25:44 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:25:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Float Gasket for SU H2S carb In-Reply-To: <88E8731D-0E7E-4152-8712-BA3020B1629B@comcast.net> References: <88E8731D-0E7E-4152-8712-BA3020B1629B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8D6CC27E-F6B0-4898-B92C-FE43D993D6D4@comcast.net> I think I found a gasket I can use. Thermostat gasket for a TR4 is almost a perfect inner diameter and thickness. I can cut the rest away. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Sep 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > Anyone have a spare float gasket for a SU H2S carb they would sell > me. Mark Eaton lent me a manifold and set of SU H2S carbs but one > float gasket is missing and I don't want to buy a whole kit to get it. > > Looks like this: > > http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Float%20Gasket%20for%20SU%20H2S%20carb/ > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 22:23:49 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:23:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Now I've done it. Message-ID: <073FCB6E-DEEC-42FB-9B7F-5903E7B2AF6B@comcast.net> Took delivery on a 1971 Spitfire Mark IV race car the other day. The car came out of New Jersey. It was a race car from day one and never was registered/licensed to run on the streets. It came with a SCCA log book from the 70's and it's first race, other than the Bryar Driver's School and the St Citie Drivers School? in late 1972, was at SCR (whatever that is) in September of 1973. The car was raced until August 1979 (last log entry) at various tracks on the East coast including Lime Rock, Maars, Watkins Glen, BridgeHampton, and Fingerlakes? so it has some race history. Don't know any more from then to now. The guy I bought it from purchased it a couple years ago and got it real close to race condition but then had a partner bail on him. So he sold it to me. I posted a pic of the Log Book and the car when it was raced back in the 70's along with some present pics on: http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/1971%20Spitfire%20Mark%20IV%20Race%20Car/ Been sorting some things out with the help of Mark Eden, and Jim Gray so that has been great. It came with a Weber downdraft but I'm trying out some other setups thanks to Mark. Two SU H2S and a 40DCOE18 setup are both in the works for some testing. It's got it's flaws but I'm looking forward to doing what I can to make it better and having a lot of fun to share with the list. Thanks Bud P.S. Anyone want to buy a really nice TR4A project car (Below). It's the white car in one of the pics. 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 09:23:20 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:23:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Now I've done it. In-Reply-To: <073FCB6E-DEEC-42FB-9B7F-5903E7B2AF6B@comcast.net> References: <073FCB6E-DEEC-42FB-9B7F-5903E7B2AF6B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005501cd9bfa$dd279320$9776b960$@com> MARRS is a race series, not a track, down around Washington DC region. Could be Summit Point, Pocono, ??? Fingerlakes is an SCCA region, probably at Watkins Glen track. Bryar is now New Hampshire Motor Speedway or International Speedway or whatever... St Citie is probably Steel Cities, another SCCA region near Pittsburgh. Didn't see any old photo... Nice looking car, make sure you install a full roll cage with strong side bars!!! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Sep 26 14:20:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cheap generator FYI Message-ID: Today's Aldi grocery store ad includes a "Workzone 3250 watt 196 cc Portable Generator" for $229.99. I picked one up, we'll see if it's worth anything. Looks like it will run a 20 amp 120 v circuit. It's not light, I can report after loading it into the van. Tony Drews From chasgee at aol.com Wed Sep 26 16:35:44 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 aluminum radiator for sale Message-ID: <8CF6A4E669E0D04-FDC-37AAE@webmail-d134.sysops.aol.com> Hello fellow FOTers, I have a slightly used aluminum radiator for the GT6. It is an exact copy of the stock radiator, but is made of aluminum and has a thicker core. It bolts right in to the stock mounts and uses the stock hose arrangement. I'd like to get $350 for it. Contact me off line if interested. Thanks, Chuck From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Sep 29 11:36:33 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ELVF 2013 FROM JOHN HOULTON CONFIRMATION OF KASTNER CUP DATES In-Reply-To: <8CF6C743E2988A7-B24-52048@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF6C743E2988A7-B24-52048@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF6C801A110CFE-600-56B5E@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com> FOT: See below....planning has been in motion for the KASTNER CUP. Now we have confirmed dates. Road America, VSCDA, and THE FOT is committed to making this KCUP one of the best. Mark your calendar to run "FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC". Joe Alexander Hi Joe, We are confirmed with Road America for Sept 6-8, 2013. We should set a conference call with Mike Kornelli this week or next so we can begin formal promotion before the end of October! John