From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  1 06:23:01 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 05:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <CED64F81-DEF5-43AD-BB46-EFB1B42E6413@columbus.rr.com>
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Thanks Tom! He was quite a man. I thought he was with the Cunningham team in "55; interesting to see he was paired with Leveigh in the A/H which "caused" the crash. Phil Wallters (AKA Ted Tappet; I'm showing my roots :O)) was with Cunningham, and refused to ever race again after the '55 LeMans. As a side note...I believe Walters had also been a P-51 pilot over Germany. Birds of a feather.
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 10/31/12, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:


From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:37 PM


FYI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fitch_(racing_driver)


On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:54 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:

> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed away this morning.
> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters during the big crash in '55.
> RIP
> -Ed-
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  1 06:30:16 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 05:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
In-Reply-To: <20121101042441.F2DE52D0682@autox.team.net>
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Head South Jason! We, CVAR have a race the weekend at TWS. I beleive there is another group running in Savannah this weekend too. I'm sure even vampires migrate.
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 10/31/12, jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:


From: jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:36 PM


An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I drain the fluid from my beloved GT6. 
Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of life, to get through the long cold wInter?
Happy Halloween.
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From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 06:41:10 2012
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 05:41:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
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     I had the opportunity to meet John Fitch at Elkhart Lake a few years ago.
What pleasant person to talk to. He signed my Aug. Elkhart Lake  road race
program,which he won
the big bore class in a Cunningham. The racing community
has lost a true hero. My thoughts and prays go out to him and his family.
   
 
     John Wagner (just the wrench)  


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Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch

The FOT
has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals in Galveston
Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed away this morning.
With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car
driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters during
the big crash in '55.
RIP
-Ed-
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:00:18 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:00:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
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Great article on John here:

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20121031/ALMS/121019873 


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E) for sale, 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner KC 5577 L
www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos
"Reality, it's not what you think." 

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:01:03 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:01:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
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That makes me feel good about living down south, it is alittle cold now but
ower season is yet to be over. We still have a few events left before the
end of the year. Hate cold weather !

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:36 PM, <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:

> An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
> Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
> Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep
> (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor
> unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I
> drain the fluid from my beloved GT6.
> Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of
> life, to get through the long cold wInter?
> Happy Halloween.
> FRIENDLY GHOST RACING
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:33:04 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:33:04 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
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After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says: 
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
Chris

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:42:25 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:42:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
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yes, this week and weekend is the Hilton Head Island Motoring Festival,
four or five days of car related events with racing included with HSR,
Concours d' Elegance car show which I hear is top of the line, car jamboree
and other events on different days. The race track is right by the water on
an old track that has been restored to some degree, I personally haven't
run this but looking at it for next year as a week to "get away" and
relax.I think it is one of the "small bore" challege events sponsered by
Classic Motor sports magazine.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:30 AM, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>wrote:

> Head South Jason! We, CVAR have a race the weekend at TWS. I beleive there
> is another group running in Savannah this weekend too. I'm sure even
> vampires migrate.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
> To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:36 PM
>
>
> An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
> Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
> Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep
> (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor
> unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I
> drain the fluid from my beloved GT6.
> Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of
> life, to get through the long cold wInter?
> Happy Halloween.
> FRIENDLY GHOST RACING
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Nov  1 08:22:13 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:22:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
Message-ID: <6329.d1450ff.3dc3df94@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/31/2012 9:27:57 PM Central Standard Time, 
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:


> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals 
> in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed 
> away this morning. 
> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car 
> driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters 
> during the big crash in '55.
> 

Amen to that.  One of the classic 'gentlemen racers' of the early days of 
road racing here in the United States.

Bill Dentinger

From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Nov  1 08:27:49 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:27:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
Message-ID: <65ee.25fc3df0.3dc3e0e5@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/01/2012 7:22:29 AM Central Standard Time, 
j.wags63 at yahoo.com writes:


> John Wagner (just the wrench)  
> 

(just the wrench)?  Right!  And Lombardi was (just the coach).  Or better 
still...Kastner was (just the wrench).

Bill Dentinger

From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 08:41:40 2012
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:41:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
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Hi all, I just checked my copy of "LeMans 55" and think there is a little 
confusion.
Levegh/Fitch shared a Mersedes 300SLR, which LeVegh crashed when he hit the 
Austin-Healey 100S of Macklin/Leston, Macklin driving, which had to swerve 
to avoid the D Type Jaguar of Hawthorne/Bueb, Hawthorne driving, which had 
made a sudden move to pit.
A lot of people blame Hawthorne for the crash, fault Mercedes for not 
withdrawing until 12 or more hours later, and the race organizers for not 
halting the race.
Terrible crash and aftermath.
Further reading shows Phil Walters in  D-type Jag with Bill Spear. Also 
Briggs and Sherwood Johnson in a Cunningham C-6R. Also three TR2's entered.

How did everyone fare with the hurricane? Safe and sound, we hope. We had 
high winds and lots of rain here, but no major problems.
Cheers, Bill----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "Tom Householder" <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch


> Thanks Tom! He was quite a man. I thought he was with the Cunningham team 
> in "55; interesting to see he was paired with Leveigh in the A/H which 
> "caused" the crash. Phil Wallters (AKA Ted Tappet; I'm showing my roots 
> :O)) was with Cunningham, and refused to ever race again after the '55 
> LeMans. As a side note...I believe Walters had also been a P-51 pilot over 
> Germany. Birds of a feather.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
> To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:37 PM
>
>
> FYI
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fitch_(racing_driver)
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:54 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
>
>> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals 
>> in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed 
>> away this morning.
>> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car 
>> driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters 
>> during the big crash in '55.
>> RIP
>> -Ed-
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 10:04:26 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
Message-ID: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, all.    I was very sorry to hear about the passing of Jon Fitch. He was
not only a great driver, pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years
back I had the pleasure to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in
Watkins Glen . I was honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch,
Bob Lutz, and Bill Millican at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event
is called "Legends Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his
wife was a quite a nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed

 
Ed Diehl

From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 10:43:21 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:43:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
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I keep mine live all winter and give it a start weekly -- keeps the
injectors and pump working.
On Nov 1, 2012 6:21 AM, "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:

> Head South Jason! We, CVAR have a race the weekend at TWS. I beleive there
> is another group running in Savannah this weekend too. I'm sure even
> vampires migrate.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
> To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:36 PM
>
>
> An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
> Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
> Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep
> (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor
> unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I
> drain the fluid from my beloved GT6.
> Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of
> life, to get through the long cold wInter?
> Happy Halloween.
> FRIENDLY GHOST RACING
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Nov  1 11:45:52 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:45:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
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Chris: 
	Does the FIA have such a hold on the race tracks in Europe that they
won't let a club race at the track unless the club is FIA sanctioned?   


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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:33 AM
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Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says: 
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov  1 12:13:22 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 19:13:22 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
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It is a chain dependence.
The tracks have insurances. The insurance says, "I take the risk but are you
FIA homologated?"
If the track says "yes" FIA is in the game. If the track says "no", no
insurance.

The trouble starts if a racing series is doing more than 1 race outside of
its country.
For example:
The TC is German, and we are doing 5 races elsewhere, France, Belgium,
Netherlands, England, Luxemburg, then we are treated as an international
racing series...even if we are small group with no sponsors.

Europe is scattered in small territories you know regardless of the European
idea.

You now can ask - why do you race foreign?

Answer: Too many great tracks there are in Europe and it would be shame not
to race on them.

I have a "have to race" list, and there too many tracks not marked off.

Cheers
Chris



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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. November 2012 18:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'triumph friends'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

Chris:
	Does the FIA have such a hold on the race tracks in Europe that they
won't let a club race at the track unless the club is FIA sanctioned?


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:33 AM
To: 'triumph friends'
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says:
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
Chris
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Nov  1 12:19:23 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:19:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
In-Reply-To: <001701cdb85c$96156920$c2403b60$@com>
References: <20121101042441.F2DE52D0682@autox.team.net><1351773016.18961.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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	<001701cdb85c$96156920$c2403b60$@com>
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Good Lord, thank goodness it's not like there over here.  If it were we
would all be in the clutches of the France family.


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
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-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:13 PM
To: 'john hasty'; 'triumph friends'
Subject: AW: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

It is a chain dependence.
The tracks have insurances. The insurance says, "I take the risk but are you
FIA homologated?"
If the track says "yes" FIA is in the game. If the track says "no", no
insurance.

The trouble starts if a racing series is doing more than 1 race outside of
its country.
For example:
The TC is German, and we are doing 5 races elsewhere, France, Belgium,
Netherlands, England, Luxemburg, then we are treated as an international
racing series...even if we are small group with no sponsors.

Europe is scattered in small territories you know regardless of the European
idea.

You now can ask - why do you race foreign?

Answer: Too many great tracks there are in Europe and it would be shame not
to race on them.

I have a "have to race" list, and there too many tracks not marked off.

Cheers
Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: john hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. November 2012 18:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'triumph friends'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

Chris:
	Does the FIA have such a hold on the race tracks in Europe that they
won't let a club race at the track unless the club is FIA sanctioned?


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:33 AM
To: 'triumph friends'
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says:
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
Chris
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 16:13:29 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:13:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1351808009.23242.YahooMailNeo@web39301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
Ed Diehl

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Ed Diehl
<mediehljr at yahoo.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, November
1, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: John Fitch
 

Hello, all.    I was very sorry to
hear about the passing of Jon Fitch. He was not only a great driver,
pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years back I had the pleasure
to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in Watkins Glen . I was
honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch, Bob Lutz, and Bill
Millican at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event is called "Legends
Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his wife was a quite a
nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed

 
Ed Diehl

From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Nov  1 19:49:48 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 01:49:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <1351808009.23242.YahooMailNeo@web39301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<1351808009.23242.YahooMailNeo@web39301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W219C30BA4E732D94CBCFACDF670@phx.gbl>

I've had long conversations with John in various places in the world and he
was a just a very nice man,.  FAST too. I'm big on FAST.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:13:29 -0700
> From: mediehljr at yahoo.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
>
>
> Ed Diehl
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Ed Diehl
> <mediehljr at yahoo.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November
> 1, 2012 12:04 PM
> Subject: John Fitch
>
>
> Hello, all.    I was very sorry to
> hear about the passing of Jon Fitch. He was not only a great driver,
> pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years back I had the
pleasure
> to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in Watkins Glen . I was
> honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch, Bob Lutz, and Bill
> Millican at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event is called
"Legends
> Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his wife was a quite
a
> nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed
>
>
> Ed Diehl
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  1 22:29:56 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 21:29:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <385870D823844A14AAA353B019022358@hpd530>
Message-ID: <1351830596.7801.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Bill: Yes, I realized I had miss typed as soon as I hit send. I had the A/H on
my mind as I typed. A side-note...the A/H sold at auction this year for a very
obscene amount of dollars.
 
Below is the obit for John Fitch that was in the NY Times. Also, R&T has a
nice write-up in the newest edition.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sports/autoracing/john-cooper-fitch-glamoro
us-racer-with-a-flair-for-danger-dies-at-95.html?hpw&pagewanted=all

-Ed-
 
--- On Thu, 11/1/12, Bill Tobin <william.tobin31 at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Bill Tobin <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>, "Tom Householder"
<trhouse at columbus.rr.com>, "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, November 1, 2012, 9:41 AM


Hi all, I just checked my copy of "LeMans 55" and think there is a little
confusion.
Levegh/Fitch shared a Mersedes 300SLR, which LeVegh crashed when he hit the
Austin-Healey 100S of Macklin/Leston, Macklin driving, which had to swerve to
avoid the D Type Jaguar of Hawthorne/Bueb, Hawthorne driving, which had made a
sudden move to pit.
A lot of people blame Hawthorne for the crash, fault Mercedes for not
withdrawing until 12 or more hours later, and the race organizers for not
halting the race.
Terrible crash and aftermath.
Further reading shows Phil Walters in  D-type Jag with Bill Spear. Also Briggs
and Sherwood Johnson in a Cunningham C-6R. Also three TR2's entered.

How did everyone fare with the hurricane? Safe and sound, we hope. We had high
winds and lots of rain here, but no major problems.
Cheers, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD"
<edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "Tom Householder" <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch


> Thanks Tom! He was quite a man. I thought he was with the Cunningham team in
"55; interesting to see he was paired with Leveigh in the A/H which "caused"
the crash. Phil Wallters (AKA Ted Tappet; I'm showing my roots :O)) was with
Cunningham, and refused to ever race again after the '55 LeMans. As a side
note...I believe Walters had also been a P-51 pilot over Germany. Birds of a
feather.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
> To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:37 PM
>
>
> FYI
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fitch_(racing_driver)
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:54 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
>
>> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals
in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed away
this morning.
>> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car
driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters during
the big crash in '55.
>> RIP
>> -Ed-
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  2 10:13:35 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
References: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <1351872815.15133.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
Ed Diehl

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Ed Diehl
<mediehljr at yahoo.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, November
1, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: John Fitch
 

Hello, all.    I was very sorry to
hear about the passing of John Fitch. He was not only a great driver,
pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years back I had the pleasure
to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in Watkins Glen . I was
honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch, Bob Lutz, and Bill
Milligan at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event is called "Legends
Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his wife was a quite a
nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed

 
Ed Diehl

From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  2 11:30:48 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:30:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] E Mails
Message-ID: <1351877448.23358.YahooMailNeo@web39305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi, everyone. I am very sorry to have loaded up your in boxes with the same
message. My computer decided to hiccup and belch at the same time and I lost
control. Lucky there was nothing to hit. he he. Cheers, Ed.

 
Ed Diehl

From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sat Nov  3 19:21:39 2012
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:21:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch At Le Mans 1954
Message-ID: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>

I would like to share with you a couple of old photos of John Fitch at LeMans
in 1954. This first photo is of John in the pit prior to the race looking at a
Factory "D" Type.  The guy in the beret and field jacket,  looking at the car
over his left arm is me.
I will send a second photo of him on a seperate email.
Bob Johns

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Lemans 1954 010.JPG]

From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sat Nov  3 19:23:47 2012
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:23:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch at Le Mans 1954
Message-ID: <572EBD4FB4DB483AAC0DAD05098A004A@Bucktailus>

Great shot of John enjoying looking over the lastest from The Jaguar Factory.
Bob Johns

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Lemans 1954 008.JPG]

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Nov  3 19:47:07 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:47:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch At Le Mans 1954
In-Reply-To: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>
References: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <5095C91B.8040701@bradakis.com>

As you've noticed the basic mailman email lists like this one do not 
allow attachments.
Send the photos directly to me and I'll put them where folks can see them.

I'd suggest using the Team.Net forums, but they currently aren't working 
quite
right.  Hopefully I'll get that fixed soon, but the problem at the 
moment is some
denial of service and automated spam attacks directed at various mailman 
sites.
Computers can be so much fun.

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Nov  4 20:55:27 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 20:55:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch photos
Message-ID: <509738AF.80405@bradakis.com>

A couple of nice pictures from LeMans.


http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=132


mjb.

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:46:39 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:46:39 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tappets
In-Reply-To: <5095C91B.8040701@bradakis.com>
References: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>
	<5095C91B.8040701@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <000301cdbb75$23b366e0$6b1a34a0$@com>

Back in time I reported about that I always grind my tappets flat as only
domed ones are on the market.

Today I bought a new set and was amazed that they are perfect flat, no
regrind needed....have a look:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-moHnemvOoI0/UJfrIMoHBbI/AAAAAAAABjA/8qMo_
D6jbFc/s972/DSC02992.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V9PziuUrLds/UJfq-MbvNJI/AAAAAAAABi4/F98nS
Om_WRw/s1079/DSC02991.JPG

And the racing ones are a lot shorter.

Cheers
Chris

From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 12:30:49 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:30:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
Message-ID: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>

I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.

The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
issue?

http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM


Robert MacKenzie
Austin Texas
'78 1500 (street)
'71 GT6 MKIII (project)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)

From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Mon Nov  5 14:12:19 2012
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:12:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
In-Reply-To: <9815E22E-0CF7-4E38-B0A7-7BD26A8814BC@seiri.com>
References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com>
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Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made against
using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since it is in
affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to have the
warmer 
gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power due to
loss of 
vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
separator and oil 
separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
thoughts on this.  Jim

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  5 14:51:08 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 22:51:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
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I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.

Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times so I made a duty heavy
version.

This is the Moroso version:

http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023



My version looks like this:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg



https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg



https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg



https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg



https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH
3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg



Cheers

Chris





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Auftrag von sherry robyn
Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?



Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since
it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to
have the warmer gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power
due to loss of vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
separator and oil separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  5 15:30:04 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:30:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
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They are illegal in all the sanction bodies over here

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 4:51 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.
>
> Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times so I made a duty
heavy
> version.
>
> This is the Moroso version:
>
> http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023
>
>
>
> My version looks like this:
>
>
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
> p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
> p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH
> 3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von sherry robyn
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
> An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
> Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
>
>
>
> Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
> against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since
> it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to
> have the warmer gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power
> due to loss of vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
> separator and oil separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
> thoughts on this.  Jim _______________________________________________
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  5 15:34:35 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:34:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
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Psst....tell nobody.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 23:30
An: MadMarx
Cc: sherry robyn; Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?

They are illegal in all the sanction bodies over here

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 4:51 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.
>
> Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times so I made a duty
> heavy version.
>
> This is the Moroso version:
>
> http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023
>
>
>
> My version looks like this:
>
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> /xlwAk ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> /xlwAk ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI
> /GcSEH
> 3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von sherry robyn
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
> An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
> Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
>
>
>
> Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
> against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase
> since it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a
> positive to have the warmer gases to burn if there are solids (oil)
> and a loss of power due to loss of vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would
> be vacuum pump to an oil separator and oil separator back to
> crankcase.  I would appreciate any thoughts on this.  Jim
> _______________________________________________
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Nov  5 15:44:36 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:44:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
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Message-ID: <B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>

Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
To: 'FOT List'
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video

I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.

The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
issue?

http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM


Robert MacKenzie
Austin Texas
'78 1500 (street)
'71 GT6 MKIII (project)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 16:06:15 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:06:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Spitfire Autocross Video
Message-ID: <002301cdbbaa$28943b50$79bcb1f0$@aero>

The course was laid out specifically to keep speeds down.   I am running
dual SU4s.
RM 

-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:46 PM
To: list at mackenzie.aero
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video


Cool, it would be tempting to skip the cones and take a DNF on my last run
just to do a full lap at speed. :)  What carbs you running? I could not make
the left turn stutter go away on my TR6 until I dumped the ZS and went S.U.

Marty

----------------------------------------
> From: list at mackenzie.aero
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:30:49 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday 
> at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha, my much abused '78 Spitfire. She suffered with a 
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level 
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Nov  5 16:38:02 2012
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:38:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
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I concur
That's the best autocross I have seen!
Glenn

On 11/5/2012 5:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
> To: 'FOT List'
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
> Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 16:53:15 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:53:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
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Didja bop any cones?  I thought I heard one in the slalom on the last
straight.

I assume your SUs have floats that hinge on one side.  If so, which way are
your float hinges oriented?  Laterally or longitudinal to the car?  The better
situation would be if the axis of the hinge pin is lateral so that fuel slosh
in cornering would have little effect on the fuel level seen by the float
during cornering.

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX

On Nov 5, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote:

> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
> Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 16:56:01 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:56:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <6CEED6C9-E929-4D11-80B0-CE175832F9ED@gmail.com>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<6CEED6C9-E929-4D11-80B0-CE175832F9ED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cdbbb1$1c467f00$54d37d00$@aero>

What you heard was the last cone of the last slalom on the last run jumping
in front of my car.
R

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:53 PM
To: Robert MacKenzie
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video

Didja bop any cones?  I thought I heard one in the slalom on the last
straight.

I assume your SUs have floats that hinge on one side.  If so, which way are
your float hinges oriented?  Laterally or longitudinal to the car?  The
better situation would be if the axis of the hinge pin is lateral so that
fuel slosh in cornering would have little effect on the fuel level seen by
the float during cornering.

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX

On Nov 5, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote:

> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday 
> at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
> 
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a 
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level 
> issue?
> 
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
> 
> 
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  5 17:11:15 2012
From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:11:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
In-Reply-To: <004901cdbba5$be1c5c20$3a551460$@com>
Message-ID: <1352160675.65293.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I'm sure you could scvange the gases with the exhaust. Drag races do it.
Guy Morter
Vintage Auto Service
262 573 4511

Flatheads Forever!


--- On Mon, 11/5/12, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
> To: "'John Hasty'" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> Cc: "'Triumph 'Friends  ofTriumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, November 5, 2012, 10:34 PM
> Psst....tell nobody.
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 23:30
> An: MadMarx
> Cc: sherry robyn; Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate
> the crankcase?
>
> They are illegal in all the sanction bodies over here
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 4:51 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.
> >
> > Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times
> so I made a duty
> > heavy version.
> >
> > This is the Moroso version:
> >
> > http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023
> >
> >
> >
> > My version looks like this:
> >
> > https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> > /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> > /xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> > /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> > /xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI
> > /GcSEH
> > 3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> Im
> > Auftrag von sherry robyn
> > Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
> > An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
> > Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to
> evacuate the crankcase?
> >
> >
> >
> > Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the
> argument made
> > against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate
> the crankcase
> > since it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced. 
> While it may be a
> > positive to have the warmer gases to burn if there are
> solids (oil)
> > and a loss of power due to loss of vacuum, maybe the
> ideal setup would
> > be vacuum pump to an oil separator and oil separator
> back to
> > crankcase.  I would appreciate any thoughts on
> this.  Jim
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> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg
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From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Mon Nov  5 17:27:41 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:27:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tappets
In-Reply-To: <000301cdbb75$23b366e0$6b1a34a0$@com>
Message-ID: <BA.59.14780.D7958905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

This could be a fun thread.... I learned many years ago that flat tappets
were intentionally made with a very slight crown which helps establish
rotation of the tappet while riding on the camshaft.  The cam lobe is
normally offset from the centerline of the tappet in order to help with the
rotation of the tappet also.  There are several companies here that grind
tappets and all that I know of grind a crown on them.

I would like to hear what the rest of the masses have to say about this
subject as I am always ready to learn!

Steve Yott 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:47 AM
To: 'triumph friends'
Subject: [Fot] Tappets

Back in time I reported about that I always grind my tappets flat as only
domed ones are on the market.

Today I bought a new set and was amazed that they are perfect flat, no
regrind needed....have a look:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-moHnemvOoI0/UJfrIMoHBbI/AAAAAAAABjA/8qMo_
D6jbFc/s972/DSC02992.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V9PziuUrLds/UJfq-MbvNJI/AAAAAAAABi4/F98nS
Om_WRw/s1079/DSC02991.JPG

And the racing ones are a lot shorter.

Cheers
Chris
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  5 17:54:09 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:54:09 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Tappets   Tons of info on the list archives
Message-ID: <27213983.1352163249565.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

This has been discussed A LOT.

Read here:  http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=lifters&submit=Search!&idxname=fot&max=10&result=normal&sort=score

and here:  http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=tappets&submit=Search!&idxname=fot&max=10&result=normal&sort=score

~Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Yott <tr4 at wi.rr.com>
>Sent: Nov 5, 2012 4:27 PM
>To: 'MadMarx' <tr4racing at googlemail.com>, 'triumph friends' <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Tappets
>
>This could be a fun thread.... I learned many years ago that flat tappets
>were intentionally made with a very slight crown which helps establish
>rotation of the tappet while riding on the camshaft.  The cam lobe is
>normally offset from the centerline of the tappet in order to help with the
>rotation of the tappet also.  There are several companies here that grind
>tappets and all that I know of grind a crown on them.
>
>I would like to hear what the rest of the masses have to say about this
>subject as I am always ready to learn!
>
>Steve Yott 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of MadMarx
>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:47 AM
>To: 'triumph friends'
>Subject: [Fot] Tappets
>
>Back in time I reported about that I always grind my tappets flat as only
>domed ones are on the market.
>
>Today I bought a new set and was amazed that they are perfect flat, no
>regrind needed....have a look:
>
>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-moHnemvOoI0/UJfrIMoHBbI/AAAAAAAABjA/8qMo_
>D6jbFc/s972/DSC02992.JPG
>
>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V9PziuUrLds/UJfq-MbvNJI/AAAAAAAABi4/F98nS
>Om_WRw/s1079/DSC02991.JPG
>
>And the racing ones are a lot shorter.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Nov  5 18:15:03 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:15:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
In-Reply-To: <1352149939.28156.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1352164983.21632.fot@autox.team.net>

One of my local speed shops sells a 12Volt vacuum pump just for that reason.
I understand it's a GM part. I've heard of cars that pull 11in. of vacuum.
In those cases some reverse their oil seals or it pulls air into the system.
I had considered it and still haven't given up on it yet. I have a sealed
system and use the Moroso exhaust extractor which works really good. I can
actually measure vacuum at my valve cover filler cap. Unfortunately it pegs
my gauge so I can't offer up a number.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 2:12 PM
To: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?

Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
against
using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since it is in
affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to have the
warmer 
gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power due to
loss of 
vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
separator and oil 
separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
thoughts on this.  Jim
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 19:16:25 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:16:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <50984DDA.8070809@charter.net>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
	<50984DDA.8070809@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>

Here is another video of the same event. 
http://youtu.be/XyIvRtyVSSY
In this case it is Mike Jankowski in his Spit 1500 winning the class.

Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Glenn Franco
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video

I concur
That's the best autocross I have seen!
Glenn

On 11/5/2012 5:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
> To: 'FOT List'
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday 
> at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a 
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level 
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 19:17:05 2012
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:17:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A run at Harris Hill this past Sunday's autocross
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVsHQHYDiRbghORMgKY9aMJdp0nz7GyU4k3wRBYtEczWdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I finally got around to posting the best video I had from this
weekend at Harris Hill. Robert MacKenzie and I were both in FSP. I was able
to take the class win by 1.49 secs over a Toyota Corolla GTS. My 78 Spit is
very lightly modified: poly rear radius arm bushings, lowered front
springs, Pertronix ignition, aluminium radiator, electric cooling fan,
4into 1 header, standard intermediate pipe into a Cherry Bomb muffler, twin
SU carbs. Now to tighten up the handling a bit.

 http://youtu.be/XyIvRtyVSSY
Mike

From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 19:54:49 2012
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:54:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
	<50984DDA.8070809@charter.net> <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVucHfytyTibVHy6kdipCYKbarsFgOCJ+e0ttduqY=kB=g@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I think I may have misposted when I tried to post this earlier.
Anyway, my car is slightly modified with poly rear radius arms bushings,
lower front springs, aluminum radiator, electric cooling fan, Pertronix
ignition, 4 into 1 header, standard imtermediate pipe, and a Cherry Bomb
muffler at the back. Now to tighten up the handling...

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Robert MacKenzie <list at mackenzie.aero>wrote:

> Here is another video of the same event.
> http://youtu.be/XyIvRtyVSSY
> In this case it is Mike Jankowski in his Spit 1500 winning the class.
>
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Glenn Franco
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:38 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I concur
> That's the best autocross I have seen!
> Glenn
>
> On 11/5/2012 5:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> > Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
> > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
> > To: 'FOT List'
> > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
> >
> > I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday
> > at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
> >
> > The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
> > miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
> > issue?
> >
> > http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
> >
> >
> > Robert MacKenzie
> > Austin Texas
> > '78 1500 (street)
> > '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> > '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov  5 20:08:58 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:08:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
	<50984DDA.8070809@charter.net> <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>
Message-ID: <50987F4A.2060609@bradakis.com>

Thanks for the videos, guys, brought back some memories.  I used to enjoy
autocross, and was reasonably good at it.  Maybe I'll get a reasonably 
steady
income soon and can put Killer back together and get back into it.

mjb.

From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 20:21:31 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 21:21:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] ARP Part Numbers - Spitfire 1296 crank to flywheel bolts ???
Message-ID: <000501cdbbcd$d1bebac0$753c3040$@aero>

Does anybody have the correct part numbers for the APP flywheel bolts used
on the 1296/1500 engine?  I recall they are also used on a GM product
somewhere...

Austin Texas
'78 1500 (street)
'71 GT6 MKIII (project)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)

From goodparts at verizon.net  Tue Nov  6 12:15:28 2012
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:15:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
Message-ID: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>

I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past. The
car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log book.
Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
bad shape and has little value.Thanks.

Richard Good

From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Nov  6 12:57:10 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:57:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOQLSuSx3V=iRH1E12dgYH6XwQYgwq0Eskut74ThXpgecQ@mail.gmail.com>

It's kind of like buying a serial number plate and a title. You can (in
some sanctioning bodies) build a totally new car with little or nothing
more than the logbook as long as the logbook doesn't say otherwise.

Bob


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Richard Good <goodparts at verizon.net> wrote:

> I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past.
> The
> car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log
> book.
> Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
> bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
>
> Richard Good
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov  6 12:57:23 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
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Only if Paul Newman's name is in the log book.

On Nov 6, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Richard Good wrote:

I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past. The
car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log book.
Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
bad shape and has little value.Thanks.

Richard Good
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Tue Nov  6 13:07:22 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9 ARP Flywheel bolts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1352228401.1759.fot@autox.team.net>
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I've drilled out the flywheel and crank on my small journal 1296 and use
these bolts.



Description
Brand: ARP
Part Number: 350-2802
Ford 351 Nascar V8, uses 3/4" socket, .925" Under Head Length, 7/16"-20"
Thread Size, Pro Series ARP Flywheel Bolt Kit 350-2802

G. Michael Harmuth


63 Spit racecar
70 GT6
77 Spit 1500
80 Spit 1500

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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Nov  6 13:46:46 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:46:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
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The log book definitely helps add value and certain lineage to the car. The
down side, in this case,  is that the log book goes with the car (which is
apparently pretty far gone). For the log book to have any real value beyond
its pretty picture and autographs and it's matter of historical record...it
would of coarse have to accompany a real car. That being said, perhaps a
primary portion of the car could remain for a restoration.
In this case, important features of log book identity has to do with the
number written in raised lettering on the front of the log book... It must
match the number stamped into the roll bar. I believe SCCA Started this
"official registration" for the 1972 season.
For an SCCA car...The number has 2 parts; the region the car is (was)
registered in (01), and the order it was registered.(001)
Hence (01-001)  = region 1, 1st car registered.
The number, once given, is unique to the car and log book combo and does
not expire or change. Supposedly the # and various facts exist somewhere in
an SCCA archive. Other club racing sanctioning bodies did similar numbering
or perhaps an official "approved" metallic sticker (again on the roll bar).

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Richard Good <goodparts at verizon.net> wrote:

> I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past.
> The
> car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log
> book.
> Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
> bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
>
> Richard Good
> _______________________________________________
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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Nov  6 14:13:18 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:13:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYrC=BNXHnuyocR24LysD_gH5cF1KQu13ytB92HhLX7BLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
	<CALCydYrC=BNXHnuyocR24LysD_gH5cF1KQu13ytB92HhLX7BLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yup. You can saw out the portion of the main hoop with the serial number in
it, take that, the logbook, and the (new) car to the tech inspector and
claim to have put in a new hoop for 'updated safety' and as far as they are
concerned, it is the same car. (Or punch the number into the new roll bar.
But that is cheating. ;)) As I said, excepting if the log book reflects
that the car is totaled and not repairable for competition.

Not really worth doing unless you have a need to have a car with the
lineage.

Bob

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>wrote:

> The log book definitely helps add value and certain lineage to the car. The
> down side, in this case,  is that the log book goes with the car (which is
> apparently pretty far gone). For the log book to have any real value beyond
> its pretty picture and autographs and it's matter of historical record...it
> would of coarse have to accompany a real car. That being said, perhaps a
> primary portion of the car could remain for a restoration.
> In this case, important features of log book identity has to do with the
> number written in raised lettering on the front of the log book... It must
> match the number stamped into the roll bar. I believe SCCA Started this
> "official registration" for the 1972 season.
> For an SCCA car...The number has 2 parts; the region the car is (was)
> registered in (01), and the order it was registered.(001)
> Hence (01-001)  = region 1, 1st car registered.
> The number, once given, is unique to the car and log book combo and does
> not expire or change. Supposedly the # and various facts exist somewhere in
> an SCCA archive. Other club racing sanctioning bodies did similar numbering
> or perhaps an official "approved" metallic sticker (again on the roll bar).
>
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Richard Good <goodparts at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the
> past.
> > The
> > car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log
> > book.
> > Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is
> in
> > bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
> >
> > Richard Good
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Tue Nov  6 15:50:50 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:50:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
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Richard,

I bought a Spitfire race car recently that has a SCCA logbook starting  
in 1972. The car was a race car from day one and the logbook indicates  
it was raced at Limerock, Watkins Glen, and other tracks in the east.  
The logbook even has a couple polaroid pictures of the car in race  
trim stapled to it in the back.

I was told that having such a logbook adds to the cars value because  
it shows it has "racing provenance" and that there are some races  
(California I believe) that only include cars that have a long racing  
history as shown by their logbooks.

I'll venture a guess that those that have historical logbooks will  
believe that it adds value and those that don't have such logbooks  
will say it doesn't add value. So of course I'm in the former group  
now but certainly having a logbook adds sex appeal if not value and  
having one is better than not having one when the time comes to sell  
it. If nothing else it adds to the cool factor in my opinion.

Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 6, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Richard Good wrote:

> I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the  
> past. The
> car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing  
> log book.
> Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car  
> itsef is in
> bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
>
> Richard Good
> _______________________________________________
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Nov  6 15:55:28 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:55:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

The logbooks does little more than establish "provenance" (in terms of 
vintage) and if you intend to use it on tracks where a logbook is 
required, you get to skip that step...

I'd be more interested in "what is it" and "what's been done" to it than 
the log book. Maybe "where did it run".

If it's like a lot of old race cars, it's probably "used up" so there may 
be little value in the car itself.

Just MHO.

l8r,
rml
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From goodparts at verizon.net  Tue Nov  6 19:26:41 2012
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <81BB03E8B7714887A25C1EF747A1AADA@AdminPC>

Thanks to all who responded.  I posted the question for a friend, Boyd 
Wagner and will forward the responses to him.  Boyd has restored a few TR's 
and recently built a Sprite for autocross and hillclimb.  I nominated him to 
our group a while back and he received a second but he has not been 
receiving e-mails.  His e-mail address is whipwagner at comcast.net.  Does he 
need to introduce himself first?

Richard

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:55 PM
To: "Richard Good" <goodparts at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 old race car

> Hi,
>
> The logbooks does little more than establish "provenance" (in terms of 
> vintage) and if you intend to use it on tracks where a logbook is 
> required, you get to skip that step...
>
> I'd be more interested in "what is it" and "what's been done" to it than 
> the log book. Maybe "where did it run".
>
> If it's like a lot of old race cars, it's probably "used up" so there may 
> be little value in the car itself.
>
> Just MHO.
>
> l8r,
> rml

From dkettler1 at charter.net  Tue Nov  6 20:54:28 2012
From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 21:54:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <81BB03E8B7714887A25C1EF747A1AADA@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC><Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>
	<81BB03E8B7714887A25C1EF747A1AADA@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <288DBE5295C1425BA458978FE74CE07B@Davelaptop>

Richard:

If you intend to race the car again in SCCA, the role cage rules differ 
depending upon when the car was constructed/registered.  The logbook will 
show when the car was registered.  All cars registered after 1/1/08 have 
different construction requirements and tubing sizes than those registered 
prior to this date.

If it is an old car and you are going to go through it extensively, it might 
not be a bad idea to upgrade the cage also.

Dave Kettler
Divisional Administrator of Scrutineering
Central Division - SCCA

-----Original Message----- 
From: Richard Good
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 8:26 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 old race car

Thanks to all who responded.  I posted the question for a friend, Boyd
Wagner and will forward the responses to him.  Boyd has restored a few TR's
and recently built a Sprite for autocross and hillclimb.  I nominated him to
our group a while back and he received a second but he has not been
receiving e-mails.  His e-mail address is whipwagner at comcast.net.  Does he
need to introduce himself first?

Richard

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:55 PM
To: "Richard Good" <goodparts at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 old race car

> Hi,
>
> The logbooks does little more than establish "provenance" (in terms of 
> vintage) and if you intend to use it on tracks where a logbook is 
> required, you get to skip that step...
>
> I'd be more interested in "what is it" and "what's been done" to it than 
> the log book. Maybe "where did it run".
>
> If it's like a lot of old race cars, it's probably "used up" so there may 
> be little value in the car itself.
>
> Just MHO.
>
> l8r,
> rml
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 07:03:31 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:03:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <288DBE5295C1425BA458978FE74CE07B@Davelaptop>
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	<81BB03E8B7714887A25C1EF747A1AADA@AdminPC>
	<288DBE5295C1425BA458978FE74CE07B@Davelaptop>
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I remember a few years ago that VSCCA was not allowing MGA cars that had not
been race cars in the past to enter. Seems that there were so many folks
building their street cars into race cars they feared it would be like a
huge spec class! I think that restriction is no longer in effect, but I'd
keep the logbook and whatever it takes to build a reincarnation of the TR6
just in case. 

Just my $0.02...


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E) for sale, 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner (KC 5577 L) (it will have soon!)
www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos
"Reality, it's not what you think." 

From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Nov  7 07:04:23 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 09:04:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
Message-ID: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>

Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
I'm looking for cam timing specs.
Thanks!

From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Wed Nov  7 07:40:27 2012
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
In-Reply-To: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
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Message-ID: <CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>

Scott, call American Cam Grinding at 626-938-0073 and see if it's one of
theirs.  I recently found a TR4 cam in my stash marked M13 and it was a hot
street grind that they had done back in the day. Don


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> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
> Thanks!
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 07:41:28 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:41:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
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Sounds like a BFE cam, call Ken Gilanders.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
> Thanks!
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Nov  7 07:43:02 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:43:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
Message-ID: <252d.5c06fa23.3dcbcd75@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/07/2012 8:27:05 AM Central Standard Time, 
cwnfot at gmail.com writes:


> I remember a few years ago that VSCCA was not allowing MGA cars that had 
> not
> been race cars in the past to enter. Seems that there were so many folks
> building their street cars into race cars they feared it would be like a
> huge spec class! I think that restriction is no longer in effect, but I'd
> keep the logbook and whatever it takes to build a reincarnation of the TR6
> just in case. 
> 

Clark...

Early on many key movers and shakers within VSCDA went out of their way to 
keep the fold made up of 'certified old race cars' from the so-called 
'Golden Days of Sports Car Racing'.  And the bluer their blood...the better.  Not 
only that, I can't tell you how many times I heard officers and directors 
say, "We don't want race grids made up of a bunch of rusty TR3s."  Since I was 
racing an early TR3, that hurt my feelings.  At that time you could not 
race a Triumph TR4 with the VSCDA."  Bob Wismer asked then President (and 
founder) John Kleen, "When will the Triumph TR4 be approved."  John Kleen 
answered, "Never!"  We owe John Kleen because he was certainly the Founding Father 
and is responsible for the early success of the VSCDA.  In those days the 
race grids were made up of incredible museum pieces...out there on the 
track...running at speed.  That was a joy to behold.  But no matter how pretty, 
small fields won't pay the bills.  So soon the rules were eased, eventually the 
museum pieces stayed home, and life went on with grids made up of lots of 
production based sports cars, many of whom were recently converted into race 
cars.  In the process, a lot of 'problems' were solved and now they go 
really fast.  That too...is a joy to behold.

Just a little history, folks.  No political position intended.

Bill Dentinger

From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 10:05:01 2012
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:05:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Advice for making my Spitfire faster for Autox
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,
I've finally gotten to the point of feeling that my Spitfire is ready for
some more upgrades. I drive it every day, and am planning on a full
autocross season in 2013. I run in FSP. At the moment I have twin SU carbs,
needles from a 1973 MGB HIF carbset, slightly shaved head, 4-1 header,
stock intermediate pipe, and a Cherry Bomb muffler. Ignition is by
Pertronix. I installed an aluminum radiator with an electric cooling fan
also.

Suspension wise I have poly radius arm bushings, lowered front springs,
standard shocks at all corners. Brakes are standard, too. I have a non-od
4spd and stock 3.89 diff. Currently on the list of upgrades I have front
poly bushings, poly steering rack mounts, and a better exhaust system. I
also have poly shock bushings. Once I put all those on, I'm wondering what
the next step would be, keeping in mind I drive this car every day since
it's my only car.

Thanks,
Mike

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov  7 11:58:17 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:58:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Advice for making my Spitfire faster for Autox
In-Reply-To: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509AAF49.3090609@bradakis.com>

A number of years ago I wrote a piece called "Anatomy of an Autocrosser" 
I think,
about what I did to my Spits.  I'll have to see if I can find it and if 
there is anything
still relevant in there.

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov  7 12:11:54 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:11:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Advice for making my Spitfire faster for Autox
In-Reply-To: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509AB27A.4050602@bradakis.com>

See

http://www.team.net/mjb/junior_details.html


mjb.

From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  7 19:11:25 2012
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 18:11:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
Message-ID: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

     Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it? Is
it worth the big bucks?
Sure looks good on paper.


 John Wagner (just the
wrench)

From malaboge at aol.com  Wed Nov  7 21:32:53 2012
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 23:32:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
In-Reply-To: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CF8B8140CE22C2-750-2315F@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Wagner <j.wags63 at yahoo.com>
To: Fot <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:34 pm
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer


     Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it? Is
it worth the big bucks?
Sure looks good on paper.


 John Wagner (just the
wrench)


John,

I supplied specs and have had ATI design up a balancer for my TR4 several
years ago.
They should have one available for a TR for you.  The one thing to be sure to
have on it are taper
headed bolts on the front face of the damper (with the accompanying recessed
tapered holes) as the "regular" bolts
are just a tad too close to the rack.

Previously I tried a readily available setup (made with an MG piece I've
heard) and promptly broke my crank!
After the ATI unit (and a new billet crank) I haven't had any issues.

If ATI cannot figure it out, I believe that I still have the drawings
somewhere and could probably even find their part
number for the unit they supplied to me.

A little out of balance myself...
Nick in Nor Cal

From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 22:30:31 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:30:31 -0800
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
In-Reply-To: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNAxgwXwb4FNEM1A_2muQ23KZxC197W88CqnJ8oZQ_y1QQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have one.  They mis-keyed it so tdc I'd at 22 degrees.  Works great.
On Nov 7, 2012 6:34 PM, "John Wagner" <j.wags63 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>      Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it?
> Is
> it worth the big bucks?
> Sure looks good on paper.
>
>
>  John Wagner (just the
> wrench)
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Thu Nov  8 05:00:32 2012
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:00:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <ac1ac85af96007856c6d09c2f0cd3a59.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Well, well, well, guess who's turning
50 today?  Bob Bownes is having a birthday
today.  I hope that its a good one, welcome
to "Official Old Fart" status Bob.

John

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 06:07:24 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNAxgwXwb4FNEM1A_2muQ23KZxC197W88CqnJ8oZQ_y1QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<CAMc4sNAxgwXwb4FNEM1A_2muQ23KZxC197W88CqnJ8oZQ_y1QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9PdVDLtrF3FxGhG9L1=KphawpRE0qy31WjK1JPuSH5UWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ken Glanders sells them and ready to bolt on....British Frame and Engine

Just my two cents

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley <
triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have one.  They mis-keyed it so tdc I'd at 22 degrees.  Works great.
> On Nov 7, 2012 6:34 PM, "John Wagner" <j.wags63 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >      Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it?
> > Is
> > it worth the big bucks?
> > Sure looks good on paper.
> >
> >
> >  John Wagner (just the
> > wrench)
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>


-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 06:48:25 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:48:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
In-Reply-To: <CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>

As long as we're at it - I too have a cam that I'd like to identify.
Scrolled in the end is D9 and stamped is Y.2K.
I do know that this is kind of a 3/4 cam from Kent Howards last TR3 race
motor.
Anyone?
Thanks
Dennis

On Nov 7, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net> wrote:

> Scott, call American Cam Grinding at 626-938-0073 and see if it's one of
> theirs.  I recently found a TR4 cam in my stash marked M13 and it was a hot
> street grind that they had done back in the day. Don
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
>> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
>> Thanks!
>> _______________________________________________
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 06:54:13 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:54:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Up Close
Message-ID: <3019CC33-30E7-4EA7-97F5-8D2B8E298CF0@sbcglobal.net>

A M I C I

From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  8 07:27:46 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:27:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>

That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam mean,
.75 lift?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Dennis Delap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> As long as we're at it - I too have a cam that I'd like to identify.
> Scrolled in the end is D9 and stamped is Y.2K.
> I do know that this is kind of a 3/4 cam from Kent Howards last TR3 race
> motor.
> Anyone?
> Thanks
> Dennis
>
> On Nov 7, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net> wrote:
>
>> Scott, call American Cam Grinding at 626-938-0073 and see if it's one of
>> theirs.  I recently found a TR4 cam in my stash marked M13 and it was a
hot
>> street grind that they had done back in the day. Don
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
>>> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
>>> Thanks!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Nov  8 07:36:25 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:36:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
In-Reply-To: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211080934570.28845@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I bought an ATI for my TR6 from Goodparts. It's awesome. It was literally 
a bolt-on. Well thought out.

rml
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Nov  8 07:46:03 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:46:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <ac1ac85af96007856c6d09c2f0cd3a59.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <ac1ac85af96007856c6d09c2f0cd3a59.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOTNRwea1ZZPKK-MPG-cM0aUWYySORGDdv3ScnWcwjXivQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks! As long as it doesn't mean I have to go slower. :)


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:00 AM, R. John Lye <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:

> Well, well, well, guess who's turning
> 50 today?  Bob Bownes is having a birthday
> today.  I hope that its a good one, welcome
> to "Official Old Fart" status Bob.
>
> John
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Nov  8 07:47:12 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:47:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
Message-ID: <3a269.97c1594.3dcd1ff0@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/08/2012 8:42:31 AM Central Standard Time, 
fasttrs at yahoo.com writes:


> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam 
> mean,
> .75 lift?
> 

I always thought it was a three quarter 'race cam', or a so-called street 
and track cam.

Bill Dentinger

From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 09:13:33 2012
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:13:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>

Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race cam"
which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.

On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
mean,
> .75 lift?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone

From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  8 09:18:45 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:18:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>

Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam sounds
better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
Mike
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race cam"
which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
mean,
>> .75 lift?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Nov  8 10:17:30 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:17:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.10.1352394989.21632.fot@autox.team.net>

I always figured a street cam is 1/2 a cam, a race cam is a full cam 
so halfway in between would be a 3/4 cam...

Tony

At 08:27 AM 11/8/2012, Mike Munson wrote:
>That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam mean,
>.75 lift?
>
>Mike

From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 10:19:35 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:19:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNC-5m2UySJj_6U82u2T7BGV_S8TRV38F-yRB0Upt-FABQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Nov  8 10:24:44 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:24:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>

I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
sounds
> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
cam"
> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
> mean,
>>> .75 lift?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  8 10:37:04 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:37:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>

Now that sounds more scientific Bob!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
sounds
>> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
cam"
>> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
>> mean,
>>>> .75 lift?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 11:04:14 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:04:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Up Close
In-Reply-To: <3019CC33-30E7-4EA7-97F5-8D2B8E298CF0@sbcglobal.net>
References: <3019CC33-30E7-4EA7-97F5-8D2B8E298CF0@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <572EAEDF-5C23-4C95-B9CB-C266D8ABD6E5@sbcglobal.net>

What I ment to say - there is a great Big photo of Bill Babcock racing Peyote
in the current issue of Vintage Motorsport.

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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 11:10:15 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:10:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
	<32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <25A61800-66F6-4F24-A061-6C8937EE44BC@sbcglobal.net>

Ted Schumacher - would always say to me, about the 3/4 cam - which quarter of
the race don't you want to race?

On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Now that sounds more scientific Bob!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
> dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
> sounds
>>> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
>>> Mike
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
> cam"
>>> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
>>> mean,
>>>>> .75 lift?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Thu Nov  8 11:15:00 2012
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <3a269.97c1594.3dcd1ff0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20121108181501.LV3QJ.195089.root@hrndva-web19-z02>

Could it be related to duration? 3/4 would be about 270 duration.
JVV

---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: 
> In a message dated 11/08/2012 8:42:31 AM Central Standard Time, 
> fasttrs at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> 
> > That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam 
> > mean,
> > .75 lift?
> > 
> 
> I always thought it was a three quarter 'race cam', or a so-called street 
> and track cam.
> 
> Bill Dentinger
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Nov  8 11:40:28 2012
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:40:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] race suit
Message-ID: <007301cdbde0$864c8c60$92e5a520$@rr.com>

I have a Worth 3 layer suit in red/white, size Large (5'10"/170 to
~6'2"/200lbs) I offer for a racing donation to someone who can use it. Seat
never soiled and no red mist contamination. 

E-mail me off list if interested.

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Nov  8 17:08:39 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu,  8 Nov 2012 17:08:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Fot] Life is a breeze!
Message-ID: <20121109000839.584692E05B@bradakis.com>

Or, sometimes, strong gusty winds preceding a storm front.  The kind
of winds that break off tree branches.  Tree branches that hit power
lines, or perhaps phone lines, like the one that connects Team.Net
to the world.

Back on the air, I apologise for the service outage.

mjb.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  8 17:34:30 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:34:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] test
Message-ID: <8CF8C291DAD93F2-E90-29AFB@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 15:52:36 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:52:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <20121108174559.24E4F2D1091@autox.team.net>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<20121108174559.24E4F2D1091@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <509C37B4.9020908@gmail.com>

On 11/8/12 10:17 AM, Tony Drews wrote:
> I always figured a street cam is 1/2 a cam, a race cam is a full cam 
> so halfway in between would be a 3/4 cam...
Now the real story is that it was developed for specials. It is for 
those times when you build up a racing special and discover that the 
engine you intend to install does not fit.  You shorten the engine by 
cutting off the front cylinder then you order a 3/4 race cam to handle 
the remaining 3 cylinders   ;)

TeriAnn

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  8 17:38:28 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:38:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] CONTRACT SIGNED WITH THE OSTHOFF    KASTNER CUP 2013
In-Reply-To: <8CF8C108F3FADF3-E90-28B94@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CF8C07B27D4FB8-E90-2851E@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CF8C108F3FADF3-E90-28B94@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CF8C29AB4619EE-E90-29B4B@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>

Subject: CONTRACT SIGNED WITH THE OSTHOFF    KASTNER CUP 2013


FOT:

CONTACT INFORMATION

WWW.OSTHOFF.COM

DISCOUNT CODE:   "FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH"

A limited number of rooms have been reserved for our group. These include
"Guest Rooms", "1 BR SUITES", and " 2 BR SUITES". If you want or need a 3
Bedroom Suite, a few of those are available as well.

The suites have living rooms with hide-a-beds, if you choose to use this
feature.

When suites are shared with friends and relatives, they can be an exceptional
value.

The Osthoff is where VSCDA holds activities, which includes "ON THE GREEN", a
car show. We are invited to display our Triumph Race Cars and it would be
great to have at least one example of each model.  I believe this is where the
OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT ends. A must do and no cost feature.  Live music and
cash bar will also be situated "ON THE GREEN".

You can expect that Kas and Peg will be well involved in these  activities in
historic Elkhart Lake.

We are the FEATURED MARQUE this weekend and this event will be heavily
promoted by Road America and VSCDA.  See you there.

Hesitate not, in these reservations, starting this Friday to allow time for
computer entries at the OSTHOFF

Regards,


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Nov  8 12:15:00 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:15:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
	<32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <11DD36F0-FF12-48FA-AB8B-11CD75EC2370@austin.rr.com>

Larry Young could do the science. I stop at fractions :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Now that sounds more scientific Bob!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
sounds
>>> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
>>> Mike
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
cam"
>>> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
>>> mean,
>>>>> .75 lift?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Nov  8 19:21:27 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:21:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
	<32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1352427621.30670.fot@autox.team.net>

I received a reply from Larry Young that didn't seem to make it to the list:
Tony, that is close.  You'll find the explanation at: 
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Take_34Race.html.  It's too 
bad no one has ever written Winfield's biography.

Tony

At 11:37 AM 11/8/2012, Mike Munson wrote:
>Now that sounds more scientific Bob!
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
>dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
>sounds
> >> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
> >> Mike
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
>cam"
> >> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
> >> mean,
> >>>> .75 lift?
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> fot at autox.team.net
> >>
> >> http://www.fot-racing.com
> >>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Nov  9 00:16:41 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:16:41 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801cdbe4a$2b6fffb0$824fff10$@com>

Could be something English?
They have half a bee too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHx2wI0_rtA


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mike Munson
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. November 2012 15:28
An: Dennis Delap
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?

That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
mean,
.75 lift?

Mike

From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Nov  9 00:27:38 2012
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 17:27:38 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re J-type OD enhancements for racing
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b0zq_SvD+hXU3GpJQ8amzUf+z-2MsBQ46kAQ13BxD-OOw@mail.gmail.com>

i have been rebuilding & using these for over 30 years.

there are so many minor variations, its not possible to discuss them here.
the late 80's Volvo 244 ones are usually the best starting point

if built properly, they are very robust and last years of racing without
attention.

biggest problems are  worn planet gear axle shafts & related
bearings/gears. the internal annular gear teeth can be in poor shape if its
had limited oil changes.

email me if you need help or have a specific query.

Terry O'Beirne
Australia

From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 08:16:37 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:16:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNC-5m2UySJj_6U82u2T7BGV_S8TRV38F-yRB0Upt-FABQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC.1B.12302.75E1D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

While I have done a large number of overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes.  It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the Uni-directional clutch with the new style
Replacing the main clutch and starting with an unfinished unit so that one
can machine the thickness to ensure the minimum amount of engagement
movement required.
Polishing the pump check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott   

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

--
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Nov  9 10:06:34 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:06:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <EC.1B.12302.75E1D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <EC.1B.12302.75E1D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>

Is there any value to using a stronger accumulator spring?

art de armond

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Yott
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:16 AM
To: 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley' ; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

While I have done a large number of overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes.  It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the Uni-directional clutch with the new style
Replacing the main clutch and starting with an unfinished unit so that one
can machine the thickness to ensure the minimum amount of engagement
movement required.
Polishing the pump check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

--
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 10:26:50 2012
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:26:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Suit was spoken for
Message-ID: <011201cdbe9f$674735d0$35d5a170$@rr.com>

I wish I had a dozen to satisfy all the interest, but there was only one.
Sorry.

 

Russ

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  9 10:59:31 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:59:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 a few words on the current planning. ELKHART
 LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL
Message-ID: <8CF8CBB19FAC5CE-750-2C89B@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

Reservations being made at the Osthoff are going well. Especially  from folks
that are familiar with the Osthoff and the value received.

Conference call with FOT Chair, John Houlton and ELVF Event Organizer, Mike
Korneli went very well for first contact.  John and Mike are both on the Board
of Directors of VSCDA and have close ties to ROAD AMERICA management.

For years, I have had folks ask for a "non-festival" event with a "non-profit"
organization and held at a significant track. Well, the worlds finally aligned
in proper order.

Road America in September.....the weather is usually ideal.  "FOUR MILES OF
BLACK MAGIC".

VSCDA has carefully groomed the ELVF event into one of the finest events in
North America.

The Triumph is THE FEATURED MARQUE, and not in the shadows.

Kas Kastner is THE GRAND MARSHALL....................................

This all comes with a certain level of self-determination required.
Fortunately,  17 generous folks stepped up and have become "sponsors" to this
event.

Marty Sukey has a spread sheet showing about 23 drivers, so far (Sam Halkias
is bringing three cars and drivers, again).  I think we are missing 20+ names
of the usual suspects expected to enter.  We use this information for planning
purposes, and to include on the event T-SHIRT. and the number of FOT/VTR
posters, as well as garnering real estate in the paddock.

As in the past, we will be having some interesting visitors that will be
joining us in the paddock....UK, maybe Germany, and from around North America.

More on all of this later......please register your intent to run.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  9 11:12:20 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:12:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
	Springs
Message-ID: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Here's a video I put together from last weekend at Willow Springs with VARA's group 3.
The run-group held 43 cars including many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the DP win with his powerful and well set up TR4.
Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
I had a great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.  Extreme sun and sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and,
as you can see in the video, I've almost perfected the art of getting passed. Still, a weekend with friends at the track can't be beat.

Enjoy 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be


~STEVE

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 12:05:59 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:05:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
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Dust -- you might as well be driving in thick fog.  Sheesh.

Racing in Gp 4 (pre-1961; few cars on the track) CVAR last weekend:
http://youtu.be/sSl5ZdE0o00

Duncan
(Texas)

On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:12 PM, steve wrote:

> Here's a video I put together from last weekend at Willow Springs with
VARA's group 3.
> The run-group held 43 cars including many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the
DP win with his powerful and well set up TR4.
> Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
> I had a great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.
Extreme sun and sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and,
> as you can see in the video, I've almost perfected the art of getting
passed. Still, a weekend with friends at the track can't be beat.
>
> Enjoy
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be
>
>
> ~STEVE
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  9 12:10:48 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:10:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>
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	<2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>
Message-ID: <1352488248.20528.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all.  re: A type OD. units: many years ago I modified some of these for
TR 3 and 4 cars by shimming the accumulator springs with washers and drilling
out the relief hole in the valve to allow the pressure the exit rapidly. I
found this quite effective in allowing the OD to shift in and out quickly.
Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will not
allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the travel. The result
is disaster! Don't ask how I know. Cheers, Ed.


 
Ed Diehl
________________________________
 From: "riverside at southslope.net"
<riverside at southslope.net>
To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen
Kelley' <triosan at gmail.com>; 'Friends' <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday,
November 9, 2012 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
Is there any value to using a stronger accumulator spring?

art de armond
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012
9:16 AM
To: 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley' ; 'Friends'
Subject: Re:
[Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

While I have done a large number of
overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes. 
It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has
an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of
items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for
the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting
the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the
Uni-directional clutch with the new style
Replacing the main clutch and
starting with an unfinished unit so that one
can machine the thickness to
ensure the minimum amount of engagement
movement required.
Polishing the pump
check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality
rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race
prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the
torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen
Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot]
J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents
or references?

--
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  9 12:46:03 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:46:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: OD mainshafts
In-Reply-To: <8D2C5A38-5649-47C0-9002-63C48D0C74F2@columbus.rr.com>
References: <8D2C5A38-5649-47C0-9002-63C48D0C74F2@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CF8CC9FB7E007E-750-2D2D1@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>

 Tom Householder needs a source for repairing OD mainshafts....can anyone
help?



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:36 pm
Subject: OD mainshafts


Joe

  I have a couple of early  Overdrive mainshafts that I need
fixed ,,,, can you recommend someone

  tom

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Nov  9 13:00:48 2012
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:00:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
Message-ID: <28a20.7b30e173.3dcebaf0@aol.com>

Steve!
 
Awesome video!  You really caught the joy of the setting sun thru turn  
nine that we enjoy every year.  Great drive and a GREAT video, 
 
GT6 #4, Steve
 
 
In a message dated 11/9/2012 10:33:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
colordog.1 at earthlink.net writes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be

From jaxonracing at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  9 13:29:04 2012
From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:29:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
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Great Video.

Fun to watch.. Wow that dust is something if a guy gets off
track.


________________________________
 From: steve
<colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday,
November 9, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big
Bore Bash at Willow Springs
 
Here's a video I put together from last weekend
at Willow Springs with VARA's group 3.
The run-group held 43 cars including
many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the DP win with his powerful and well set
up TR4.
Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
I had a
great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.  Extreme sun and
sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and,
as you can see in the video, I've
almost perfected the art of getting passed. Still, a weekend with friends at
the track can't be beat.

Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be


~STEVE
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  9 13:42:27 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:42:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: LANKY FOUSHEE GROUP 44
In-Reply-To: <C40AFB06-BE0A-42AF-B0E6-DA2737FF2B1F@grassrootsmotorsports.com>
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 I am starting to get word from sources that Lanky Foushee has passed away.  I
am sure many of us would want to know this.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





to: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at CS.COM>
Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:36 pm
Subject: LANKY FOUSHEE GROUP 44










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Date: November 9, 2012 2:44:54 PM EST
To: Marlboro_Raceway at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Marlboro_Raceway] Lank
Reply-To: Marlboro_Raceway at yahoogroups.com





Steve Knoll called today to tell me that Group 44's Crew Chief, Lanky Foushee,
passed away this morning from cancer. At this time I do not have any further
information.

Steve Lloyd, Historian
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Nov  9 13:44:55 2012
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Lanky
Message-ID: <001801cdbebb$13a5b0c0$3af11240$@net>

FYI

Craig



Marlboro Veterans,

Steve called me today to tell me that Group 44's Crew Chief, Lanky Foushee
passed away this morning from cancer. I do not have any other information.

Steve

From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Fri Nov  9 14:03:22 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:03:22 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01C9279BA3E7@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

As always, a superb presentation by SB.  He's a totally cool, multipurpose
guy...


Ed Dunn
Spitfire #22
GT6 #757


West Coast Vintage Racing
2240 Encinitas Blvd. Suite D-101
Encinitas, CA 92024

760-492-3814
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From john at race-dogs.com  Fri Nov  9 13:41:07 2012
From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:41:07 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at
 Willow	Springs
In-Reply-To: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000701cdbeba$8b9e3c10$a2dab430$@race-dogs.com>

Awesome Video Steve- Making me miss the Spitfire days!
Great drive for Ken as well, you all have come a long way since drivers
school.
You all represent VARA and the Vintage community with a high bar to reach!!
Looking forward to some more karting and collaboration!

Regards,
JW


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of steve
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:12 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
Springs

Here's a video I put together from last weekend at Willow Springs with
VARA's group 3.
The run-group held 43 cars including many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the
DP win with his powerful and well set up TR4.
Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
I had a great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.
Extreme sun and sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and, as you can see in
the video, I've almost perfected the art of getting passed. Still, a weekend
with friends at the track can't be beat.

Enjoy 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be


~STEVE
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Fri Nov  9 14:47:19 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:47:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: OD mainshafts
In-Reply-To: <8CF8CC9FB7E007E-750-2D2D1@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D2C5A38-5649-47C0-9002-63C48D0C74F2@columbus.rr.com>,
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Message-ID: <SNT141-W4710A99C2572889D495639B2680@phx.gbl>

depending on the type of repair needed, Flamespray northwest do ex. work.
Thermal spray and grinding service.206 395 2645
 > To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:46:03 -0500
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: OD mainshafts
>
>  Tom Householder needs a source for repairing OD mainshafts....can anyone
> help?
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:36 pm
> Subject: OD mainshafts
>
>
> Joe
>
>   I have a couple of early  Overdrive mainshafts that I need
> fixed ,,,, can you recommend someone
>
>   tom
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 17:54:35 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:54:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <1352488248.20528.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <31.8F.01425.9C5AD905@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will not
> allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the travel. The
> result
> is disaster! Don't ask how I know. 

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall

From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 18:57:55 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 19:57:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <31.8F.01425.9C5AD905@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <31.38.14780.6A4BD905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

It is amazing as to how much pressure that little pump in the A-type can
generate..... I wound out an 800 lb gauge before I could shut it down!!

PS. It will also BEND parts in the overdrive if it does this..... Ouch!

Steve Yott 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Randall
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:55 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will 
> not allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the 
> travel. The result is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Nov 10 11:18:08 2012
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:18:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Message-ID: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>

anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled  
head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone.  i'm 
not having much luck with the steel gasket.
thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.

From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 11:09:16 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:09:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>
Message-ID: <AC.24.14780.1D64D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

Art,
In an A-Type definitely yes.... There are actually 3 ways to setup an
accumulator system on the A-Type:

1- Preferred for racing is using the early main case designed for the large
accumulator piston set.  You can identify this case as it has a Welch plug
on the bottom of the main case where the later cases are just molded
aluminum at this area.  With the large piston I can get the competition
accumulator spring which will easily obtain 450 lbs of pressure will really
let you know when you hit overdrive! 

2- If you like a softer engagement you can go with the standard mid cycle
Triumph or Healy overdrive which use the smaller accumulator setup.  I run
these at around 350 to 400 lbs of pressure and they slide into overdrive
without the aggressiveness of the above setup.

3- This one is interesting where I use the smaller accumulator piston setup
but with a Jag spring setup which is middle of the road and the pressure is
around 475 lbs.

The huge difference here is that the A-Type overdrive uses an accumulator
system which gives immediate pressure to the operating pistons when engaged.
The J-Type uses a bleed off system where there is always about 15 - 20 lbs
of pressure on the system in a bypass mode and this is to provide
pressurized oil for the mainshaft to oil all of the rear bearings, bushings
etc.  When you engage the J-Type the solenoid blocks the bypass and send the
pressurized oil to the operating pistons but since there is no accumulator
it takes time for the pump to provide enough oil and pressure to move them
to the point of clutch engagement.  

What to use in your car is of total personal preference.  Both units have
their advantages.  The A-Type is more adjustable in operation as stated
above but it contains nearly twice the number of parts vs. the J-Type
(reliability).  A well sorted A-Type is very reliable but is more difficult
to get to that point.  The J-Type is much less aggressive in operation and
not as adjustable but they rarely fail!  I have built a couple of J-Types
that are hard to discern in engagement speed over an A-Type even without the
accumulator setup and on occasion I have added in a lockout switch on the
top cover to allow J-Type operation in second gear which I love to use
especially on the Tail of the Dragon!!!

Again it boils down to what you have and what you would like to run.  They
are both very good units.  There is a key fact that everyone with an
overdrive needs to understand and that is oiling pressure.  The J-Type as
described above provides constant oiling pressure with the bypass valve
which allows the 15-20 lbs of oil pressure to run through the mainshaft to
keep all the parts well oiled and cool.  The A-Type provides total
accumulator pressure to the mainshaft through the center bushings.  This
pressure is a must or you will not have lubrication to the remaining parts.
I have seen a number of A-Type drivers that tell me their overdrive is not
working and just let it go at that.  If there is a pressure issue it WILL
destroy the overdrive!!!!  Always check your pressure at the top operating
port valve plug on the A-Type and at the bottom oil pressure port on the
J-Type.

Steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: riverside at southslope.net [mailto:riverside at southslope.net] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:07 AM
To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley'; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Is there any value to using a stronger accumulator spring?

art de armond

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Yott
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:16 AM
To: 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley' ; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

While I have done a large number of overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes.  It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the Uni-directional clutch with the new style Replacing the main
clutch and starting with an unfinished unit so that one can machine the
thickness to ensure the minimum amount of engagement movement required.
Polishing the pump check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

--
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Sat Nov 10 17:00:24 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:00:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Message-ID: <1a0a.12c8346e.3dd04497@aol.com>

Alas, many of us have tried this with negative results in distances  
measured in feet, not races.
Much has been posted about head gaskets; I never had to "O" ring a good  
steel gasket, and I always used GM gasket sealing compound # 1050026
 
TR Regards, 
 Hardy
 
 
From:  KENMUN at aol.com
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Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head  gasket
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Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

anyone having success with the stock  composite head gasket on a milled  
head. my head has been milled  .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone. 
 i'm 
not having much  luck with the steel gasket.
thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage  racer.

From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Sat Nov 10 21:23:31 2012
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 20:23:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel pressure for ZS carbs
Message-ID: <1352607811.84283.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

What is the best working fuel pressure for stock twin Zenith-Strombergs on a
stock TR6?  Thanks, Jim

From levilevi at comcast.net  Sat Nov 10 23:36:28 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:36:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel pressure for ZS carbs
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1.5 to 2 psi works best on my ZS carbs. I use a pressure regulator  
because my fuel pump was putting out around 4 psi which made it push  
fuel past the float valve and miss.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
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> What is the best working fuel pressure for stock twin Zenith- 
> Strombergs on a
> stock TR6?  Thanks, Jim
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Nov 11 10:37:40 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:37:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Transporting
Message-ID: <D58354B2-8919-4B98-A65F-A3EC8C2E50D7@aol.com>

Amici.
Anyone passing threw Sparks Nevada (just north of Reno) on their way to the
Maryland area that can bring a riding lawnmower?

I found one for parts that I am interested.

From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Nov 12 09:32:12 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:32:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
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Will replacing the TR spring with an AH 3000 spring
get more pressure without the need for shims?

art de armond

-----Original Message----- 
From: Randall
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:54 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will not
> allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the travel. The
> result
> is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Mon Nov 12 12:20:42 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:20:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <A36FD0CA144946F6857EC0EADEDFF0CC@rileyPC>
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Not necessarily.  Over Drive Spares in the UK produces a competition spring
for the A-Type which will get you in the 450 lb. range.  Unless you are
having slippage issues there is no need for more pressure!  Pressure will
only provide hold power and does not effect the speed of operation to any
noticeable effect.  Be extremely careful if using shims because if you
venture just a tad too far, which is not much you will block the relief port
and possibly break your overdrive unit!

Steve Yott 

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:32 AM
To: Randall; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Will replacing the TR spring with an AH 3000 spring get more pressure
without the need for shims?

art de armond

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:54 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will 
> not allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the 
> travel. The result is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Nov 12 13:24:37 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:24:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
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I remember a lime green TR3 at road america circa 1971 at an
early regional.   He qualified front row, maybe pole.  It sounded
like he shifted about 4 times between canada corner and the Mitchell bridge.
Nice crisp, hard fast shifts for about 4 laps, then the o'dr upshifts got
pretty lazy and his times fell of a bit and a bathtub passed him. Curses!
He needed a bit more enhancement  (for his overdrive).
Anybody know who the TR3 driver was?

art


-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Yott
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:20 PM
To: riverside at southslope.net ; 'Randall' ; 'Friends'
Subject: RE: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Not necessarily.  Over Drive Spares in the UK produces a competition spring
for the A-Type which will get you in the 450 lb. range.  Unless you are
having slippage issues there is no need for more pressure!  Pressure will
only provide hold power and does not effect the speed of operation to any
noticeable effect.  Be extremely careful if using shims because if you
venture just a tad too far, which is not much you will block the relief port
and possibly break your overdrive unit!

Steve Yott

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:32 AM
To: Randall; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Will replacing the TR spring with an AH 3000 spring get more pressure
without the need for shims?

art de armond

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:54 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will
> not allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the
> travel. The result is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov 12 13:40:08 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:40:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] FW: [Marlboro_Raceway] Lanky Foushee arrangements
 and memorial comments
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[TR] FW: [Marlboro_Raceway] Lanky Foushee arrangements and 
memorial comments
Date: 	Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:25:25 -0500
From: 	James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
To: 	<triumphs at autox.team.net>



FYi - For those fans of Group 44,  Lankey Foushee, mechanic to the team,
just passed away. See notice below.

Jim Henningsen






Please distribute to all our friends. I plan on seeing you there Sunday.


Lawton Langston Foushee, Jr


*

Lawton Langston Foushee, Jr., 75, of Sanford, passed away on November 8,
2012 at Central Carolina Hospital.

He was born on September 18, 1937 to the late Lawton, Sr. and Vera Foushee.

Lawton proudly served in the USAF from 1956-1961.  During his time in the
Air Force he was assigned to "Presidential Aircraft Maintenance" and
specialized in maintenance and trip preparation of aircraft assigned to
convey the President of the United States and high ranking military and
cabinet level civilians.  After his service in the Air Force he went on to
work for a Pontiac dealership and then went on to work for Group 44
racecars, where he later retired from in 1997.

He is survived by his brother; Gerald Ray Foushee; sister, Joan Foushee
Lunsford; niece, Deborah Leigh Lunsford and nephew, Delano A. Lunsford;
great-nieces, Amelia, Deanna and Sara and one great great nephew, Toby
Alian.

A visitation will be held on Sunday from 2:00-4:00PM at the Miller-Boles
Funeral Home in Sanford.  A graveside service will be held on Monday 12:00
noon at Buffalo Cemetery.

Rememberances to: http://millerboles.com/lawton-langston-foushee-jr/

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From Catpusher at aol.com  Mon Nov 12 17:28:56 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:28:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
Message-ID: <1d843.28c659b5.3dd2ee48@aol.com>

Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive  
Please see what you can find in the archives. 
For many years the TR3 was one of a very few cars  not allowed alternate 
gearbox ratios in SCCA E Production. Using second gear  overdrive was 
essential with a full race motor to bridge the gap between  2nd and 3rd. I spent 
thousands of hours studying and  modifying the OD. Running a pressure gauge 
during events is necessary, as is not  allowing it to leak on the driver. The 
gauge will show when the solenoid is out  of adjustment, and most critically, 
when there is a running pressure drop. If  the accumulator piston does not 
reach the blow off holes, that oil no longer  gets to several parts. The 
specks for the accumulator bore are very tight, and  honing to remove the steel 
piston ring scratches will only work a few times. The  TR4A IRS/TR6 piston, 
sleeve, and spring provide a much lower volume and  pressure, but a 
replaceable sleeve is a good idea. Much research about piston  displacement and 
pressure pointed me towards a Jaguar sedan assembly that was  NLS, but JRT, 
with the help of a UK Jaguar club, provided a few sets of piston  and sleeves, 
and I also located the matching springs. I did find it necessary to  run an 
oil cooling system with an electric pump and MGC auto gearbox cooler, all  
set low enough that it would not flow back into the gearbox during the early  
laps before the pump was turned on. Keep in mind that I was running slicks 
and  often ran where the track temps were high. 
TR Regards, Hardy

From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov 13 10:08:33 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:08:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Carbs, cams and distributors
References: <BC15A55D-0EDE-4992-8CB0-EE1DEE0630E9@REcatalyst.com>
Message-ID: <0A5D85D6-34F0-4A22-A3C1-A51E7CA68985@me.com>

Just writing to say thanks to all for input, and providing an update on where this all shook out.

It started with SU piston clatter and looking for causes - Henry Frye and others suggested I'd better start with the basics and check cam timing and lash.  Turns out timing was off by a tooth plus four degrees (the offset between the choice of bolt holes on the gear).  The BFE M23-108 cam is now dialed in to specs.

A leak-down test also gave perfect results - 5% or less across the board.

Thinking the ignition was not working correctly, I shipped the crank-triggered ignition module that was in the car off to the manufacturer, and they confirmed that it was not firing consistently throughout the rev range, and at 15 years old or more, was not repairable.  Several of you suggested going back to a Lucas distributor (hmmm, really?) and I got a "rebuilt" one through Jeff at Advanced Distributors.  This is clearly better than new, both in appearance and in re-engineering, and cheaper than almost any alternative.  Jeff says there's good durability and no points scatter up to 10,000 RPM , waaay above the 7,000 this engine is good for.  Plus, I  buy from a guy who supports our hobby and is there for follow-up if needed.   win-win.

The E-prod TR4 now runs and sounds great with no carb clatter, "idles" at 1500, and revs nicely (in the garage, anyway) so the real test will be Summit Point - Turkey Bowl - Thanksgiving weekend.  Hope it's not snowing!  After that, I'll have to decide whether to take this car back to vintage specs or keep it around as-is, with fiberglass flares and racing slicks.

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 13 10:26:55 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:26:55 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
In-Reply-To: <1d843.28c659b5.3dd2ee48@aol.com>
References: <1d843.28c659b5.3dd2ee48@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301cdc1c4$191c5390$4b54fab0$@com>

The only issue I have with a J-OD that it switched off during the race.
The OD always went out and popped in a very short manner.
No idea what this could cause.
- New solenoid (it happened with the old solenoid too)
- wiring is connected well
- oil level little higher than normal

Cheers
Chris


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Betreff: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive

Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
Please see what you can find in the archives.
For many years the TR3 was one of a very few cars  not allowed alternate
gearbox ratios in SCCA E Production. Using second gear  overdrive was
essential with a full race motor to bridge the gap between  2nd and 3rd. I
spent thousands of hours studying and  modifying the OD. Running a pressure
gauge during events is necessary, as is not  allowing it to leak on the
driver. The gauge will show when the solenoid is out  of adjustment, and
most critically, when there is a running pressure drop. If  the accumulator
piston does not reach the blow off holes, that oil no longer  gets to
several parts. The specks for the accumulator bore are very tight, and
honing to remove the steel piston ring scratches will only work a few times.
The  TR4A IRS/TR6 piston, sleeve, and spring provide a much lower volume and
pressure, but a replaceable sleeve is a good idea. Much research about
piston  displacement and pressure pointed me towards a Jaguar sedan assembly
that was  NLS, but JRT, with the help of a UK Jaguar club, provided a few
sets of piston  and sleeves, and I also located the matching springs. I did
find it necessary to  run an oil cooling system with an electric pump and
MGC auto gearbox cooler, all set low enough that it would not flow back into
the gearbox during the early laps before the pump was turned on. Keep in
mind that I was running slicks and  often ran where the track temps were
high.
TR Regards, Hardy
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 10:58:40 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:58:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
In-Reply-To: <000301cdc1c4$191c5390$4b54fab0$@com>
Message-ID: <20121113175840.IE3S6.201780.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>

---- MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote: 
> The only issue I have with a J-OD that it switched off during the race.
> The OD always went out and popped in a very short manner.

FWIW, when I had that problem, it turned out to be the little ground wire for the solenoid.  The quick connect was trapped on the tab, would not pull off easily, but was very slightly loose.  Vibration, heat and the ever-present oil film would let it open up for just a fraction of a second, then connect again.  

Replacing the quick connect and cleaning up the brown corrosion on the tab solved the problem.

I have also had a lockout switch that would do the same thing.  Removing the shim washer got it working again.  But I doubt you have those on your race car.

Randall

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Nov 13 10:59:54 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:59:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Any tricks on inserting pistons into TR3 brake calipers?
Message-ID: <BLU173-W3821B18032A00C2BA01CB9906C0@phx.gbl>

Gang, bought some Kits from VB and am shearing them apart as I stuff the new
pistons into the calipers.   Are there better Kits out thee I should have
bought since I will be buying new ones anyway? Thanks for your help.  Cheers,
Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 13 11:21:41 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:21:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
Message-ID: <29771483.1352830902054.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hardy, I found your detailed OD info very illuminating.  No, I don't even run an OD unit in my TR3 but I enjoyed your write-up nonetheless.  I can see that you've put a huge amount of time and effort into pushing your machine to it's uppermost limits of power and reliability.  Very cool!

~Steve


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>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Cc: HRPTR3 at aol.com
>Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
>
>Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive  
>Please see what you can find in the archives. 
>For many years the TR3 was one of a very few cars  not allowed alternate 
>gearbox ratios in SCCA E Production. Using second gear  overdrive was 
>essential with a full race motor to bridge the gap between  2nd and 3rd. I spent 
>thousands of hours studying and  modifying the OD. Running a pressure gauge 
>during events is necessary, as is not  allowing it to leak on the driver. The 
>gauge will show when the solenoid is out  of adjustment, and most critically, 
>when there is a running pressure drop. If  the accumulator piston does not 
>reach the blow off holes, that oil no longer  gets to several parts. The 
>specks for the accumulator bore are very tight, and  honing to remove the steel 
>piston ring scratches will only work a few times. The  TR4A IRS/TR6 piston, 
>sleeve, and spring provide a much lower volume and  pressure, but a 
>replaceable sleeve is a good idea. Much research about piston  displacement and 
>pressure pointed me towards a Jaguar sedan assembly that was  NLS, but JRT, 
>with the help of a UK Jaguar club, provided a few sets of piston  and sleeves, 
>and I also located the matching springs. I did find it necessary to  run an 
>oil cooling system with an electric pump and MGC auto gearbox cooler, all  
>set low enough that it would not flow back into the gearbox during the early  
>laps before the pump was turned on. Keep in mind that I was running slicks 
>and  often ran where the track temps were high. 
>TR Regards, Hardy
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From Janzen at REcatalyst.com  Tue Nov 13 07:30:16 2012
From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Carbs, cams and distributors
Message-ID: <BC15A55D-0EDE-4992-8CB0-EE1DEE0630E9@REcatalyst.com>

Just writing to say thanks to all for input, and providing an update on where
this all shook out.
It started with SU piston clatter and looking for causes - Henry Frye and
others suggested I'd better start with the basics and check cam timing and
lash.  Turns out it was off by a tooth plus four degrees (the offset between
the choice of bolt holes on the gear).  The BFE M23-108 cam is now dialed in
to specs.
A leak-down test also gave perfect results - 5% or less across the board.
I also shipped the crank-triggered ignition module that was in the car off to
the manufacturer and they confirmed that it was not firing consistently
throughout the rev range, and at 15 years old or more, was not repairable.
Several of you suggested going back to a Lucas distributor (hmmm, really?) and
I got a "rebuilt" one through Jeff at Advanced Distributors.  This is clearly
better than new, both in appearance and in re-engineering, and cheaper than
almost any alternative.  Jeff says good durability and no points scatter up to
10,000 RPM , waaay above the 7,000 this engine is good for.

The E-prod TR4 now runs and sounds great with no carb clatter, idles at 1200,
and revs nicely (in the garage, anyway) so the real test will be Summit Point
- Turkey Bowl - Thanksgiving weekend.  Hope it's not snowing!  After that,
I'll have to decide whether to take this car back to vintage specs or keep it
around as-is, with fiberglass flares and racing slicks.

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 18:34:22 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>

You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than the
old machine shop was).

I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any given
point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an iPhone
with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary event
so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.

Duncan Charlton


On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:

> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid I
might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>
> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short shuttle.
Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a short
hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine shop would
have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of you CVAR
brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park our
cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>
> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
TR6's is space is limited.
>
> Bob Kramer

From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Nov 13 19:04:40 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:04:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1352858608.30670.fot@autox.team.net>

Sweet. I wish I was partying down there already. I'm a big F1 junky, year in and year out, regardless of its crazy enterprise antics. 
Wave the FoT flag for us down there for us.
Seriously...wave one of those sweet FoT flags, a good camera shot of that ought to get a comment from David Hobbs...
Have fun, you lucky Texans and others that may attend. It should be very interesting.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing  
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22 
To: Fireball<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
Cc: FOT of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin

You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than the
old machine shop was).

I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any given
point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an iPhone
with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary event
so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.

Duncan Charlton


On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:

> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid I
might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>
> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short shuttle.
Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a short
hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine shop would
have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of you CVAR
brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park our
cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>
> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
TR6's is space is limited.
>
> Bob Kramer
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 19:13:31 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:13:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A416718-88AB-4FCB-B40D-39A334450BEF@austin.rr.com>

We should do that , I'll look up the app.



Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than the
old machine shop was).
>
> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
given point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an
iPhone with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary
event so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>
> Duncan Charlton
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>
>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid I
might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>
>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
shuttle. Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this
a short hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine
shop would have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any
of you CVAR brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us
park our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>
>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
TR6's is space is limited.
>>
>> Bob Kramer

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 19:17:32 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:17:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <1491781698-1352858679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1265820962-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
	<1491781698-1352858679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1265820962-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <C9E7A231-552A-4221-BC70-411776A054CB@austin.rr.com>

I don't have a flag but I do have a banner. Are there any FOT coming from
around the country?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote:

> Sweet. I wish I was partying down there already. I'm a big F1 junky, year in
and year out, regardless of its crazy enterprise antics.
> Wave the FoT flag for us down there for us.
> Seriously...wave one of those sweet FoT flags, a good camera shot of that
ought to get a comment from David Hobbs...
> Have fun, you lucky Texans and others that may attend. It should be very
interesting.
>
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22
> To: Fireball<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
> Cc: FOT of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
> Austin
>
> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
> Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than
the
> old machine shop was).
>
> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
given
> point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an
iPhone
> with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary
event
> so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>
> Duncan Charlton
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>
>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid
I
> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
> keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>
>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
shuttle.
> Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a
short
> hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine shop
would
> have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of you
CVAR
> brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park our
> cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>
>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
> TR6's is space is limited.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
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>
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 19:19:06 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:19:06 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <6A416718-88AB-4FCB-B40D-39A334450BEF@austin.rr.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
	<6A416718-88AB-4FCB-B40D-39A334450BEF@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C658743C-0DCC-48C4-8737-87BAB663A0AC@austin.rr.com>

My 4s doesn't seem to offer that app. Can we go "old school" and text
locations?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> We should do that , I'll look up the app.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in
McKinney
> Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than
the
> old machine shop was).
>>
>> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
> given point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got
an
> iPhone with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the
temporary
> event so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>>
>> Duncan Charlton
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid
I
> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
> keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>>
>>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
> shuttle. Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make
this
> a short hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine
> shop would have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do
any
> of you CVAR brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let
us
> park our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>>
>>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
> TR6's is space is limited.
>>>
>>> Bob Kramer
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Tue Nov 13 19:31:58 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:31:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] More about racing with overdrives
Message-ID: <61c4.e058376.3dd45c9e@aol.com>

By measuring the overdrive pressure and oil temp, it became clear that  
using enough pressure and volume to keep the wet clutch slippage to a minimum  
reduced the oil temp build up and reduced the clutch surface damage.   
Flakes from the clutch can clog the oil filter, and the brake ring can turn  
blue. Needless to say I was not lifting when shifting.
 
TR Regards,
 
Hardy

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 19:32:44 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:32:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <C658743C-0DCC-48C4-8737-87BAB663A0AC@austin.rr.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
	<6A416718-88AB-4FCB-B40D-39A334450BEF@austin.rr.com>
	<C658743C-0DCC-48C4-8737-87BAB663A0AC@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <28482CC4-38D3-405B-91B9-F899F3A760CE@gmail.com>

I downloaded it in the last couple of days through iTunes or through the App
Store on my regular iPhone 4. I'm pretty sure it was free.  Or perhaps it was
an automatic part of the latest version upgrade, which I did last week
sometime.

Otherwise we could text, yet it may be too noisy to recognize the incoming
text (and there may be enough vibration/crowd jostling/general excitement to
be unaware of an incoming text on a phone set to vibrate only.

Duncan


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Bob Kramer wrote:

> My 4s doesn't seem to offer that app. Can we go "old school" and text
locations?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> We should do that , I'll look up the app.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in
McKinney
>> Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than
the
>> old machine shop was).
>>>
>>> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
>> given point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got
an
>> iPhone with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the
temporary
>> event so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>>>
>>> Duncan Charlton
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
>> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid
I
>> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance
and
>> keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>>>
>>>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
>> shuttle. Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make
this
>> a short hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old
machine
>> shop would have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do
any
>> of you CVAR brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let
us
>> park our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>>>
>>>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
>> TR6's is space is limited.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Kramer
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Nov 13 19:37:35 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:37:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1352861153.30670.fot@autox.team.net>

FoT

Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold. In
a hurry

to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
my post season

measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
expecting everything to be 

well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
up with a 

consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
at 59 -60 degrees.

So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
out at 92 degrees.

The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
at a 32 degree increase in temp.

The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most part
at 60 degrees.

jim g

From vangoughv at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 20:03:40 2012
From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:03:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <20121114024618.C063F2D06E7@autox.team.net>
References: <20121114024618.C063F2D06E7@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <SNT402-EAS440C8D7275226D7A0C063A5B2530@phx.gbl>

Wow those are some interesting numbers..

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-13, at 9:47 PM, "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> FoT
>
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
>
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
> my post season
>
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be
>
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
> up with a
>
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
>
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
>
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
>
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
>
> jim g
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Wed Nov 14 07:13:48 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:13:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
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References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
	<1491781698-1352858679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1265820962-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry>
	<C9E7A231-552A-4221-BC70-411776A054CB@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000601cdc272$44bbefc0$ce33cf40$@aero>

I will be there all weekend.  We have General Admission passes so I can't be
sure where we will end up sitting.

Look for the Royal Canadian Air Force Flag, we will be underneath it.

http://shop.flagshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d0
8d6e5fb8d27136e95/f/l/flag-military-can-air-force_1.gif

Robert MacKenzie

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Kramer
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:18 PM
To: jason at multivintage.com
Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
Austin

I don't have a flag but I do have a banner. Are there any FOT coming from
around the country?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote:

> Sweet. I wish I was partying down there already. I'm a big F1 junky, 
> year in
and year out, regardless of its crazy enterprise antics.
> Wave the FoT flag for us down there for us.
> Seriously...wave one of those sweet FoT flags, a good camera shot of 
> that
ought to get a comment from David Hobbs...
> Have fun, you lucky Texans and others that may attend. It should be 
> very
interesting.
>
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22
> To: Fireball<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
> Cc: FOT of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend 
> in Austin
>
> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in 
> McKinney Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park 
> (closer than
the
> old machine shop was).
>
> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at 
> any
given
> point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got 
> an
iPhone
> with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary
event
> so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>
> Duncan Charlton
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>
>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. 
>> I
> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am 
> afraid
I
> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the 
> chance and keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>
>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
shuttle.
> Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a
short
> hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine 
> shop
would
> have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of 
> you
CVAR
> brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park 
> our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>
>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could 
>> bring
> TR6's is space is limited.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 07:43:36 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:43:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <20121114024615.2CBFA2D0621@autox.team.net>
References: <20121114024615.2CBFA2D0621@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <707133FB-AFB0-4BB5-A4EE-95AB5E95F884@gmail.com>

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4
Red #6


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:

> FoT
>
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
>
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
> my post season
>
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be
>
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
> up with a
>
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
>
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
>
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
>
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
>
> jim g

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Nov 14 07:51:36 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:51:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <707133FB-AFB0-4BB5-A4EE-95AB5E95F884@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1352905192.30670.fot@autox.team.net>

They are forged Wiseco's
jg

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:44 AM
To: Jim Gray
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 
Red #6


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:

> FoT
> 
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
> 
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and
started
> my post season
> 
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be 
> 
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was
coming
> up with a 
> 
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the
pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
> 
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
> 
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
> 
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
> 
> jim g

From list at mackenzie.aero  Wed Nov 14 09:53:26 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:53:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1 pass for Friday
Message-ID: <001201cdc288$91892f00$b49b8d00$@aero>

I have an extra General Admission Pass for the F1 event for Friday.

Free to a good home if you promise to use it.  You will have to pick it up
tomorrow or Friday AM.

Contact me on  (two one zero) four one five - five one zero seven 

Robert MacKenzie

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Nov 14 14:47:01 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:47:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <20121114150016.AB7FD2D07D9@autox.team.net>
References: <707133FB-AFB0-4BB5-A4EE-95AB5E95F884@gmail.com>
	<20121114150016.AB7FD2D07D9@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000801cdc2b1$94401500$bcc03f00$@com>

That must be why Wiseco wants 0.006 clearance with their forged pistons.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:52 AM
To: 'Duncan Charlton'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

They are forged Wiseco's
jg

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:44 AM
To: Jim Gray
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 
Red #6


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:

> FoT
> 
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
> 
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and
started
> my post season
> 
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be 
> 
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was
coming
> up with a 
> 
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the
pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
> 
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
> 
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
> 
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
> 
> jim g
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Nov 14 18:21:07 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:21:07 GMT
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
Message-ID: <20121114.202107.8884.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

Maybe that is why when I ran Wiseco's I was scoring cylinder walls running
their specified clearance.  They grow too much.  Had to run much more
clearance (don't ask me how much - it was too long ago since I stopped using
them) and that stopped the scoring.  Using custom made Diamond pistons and
cylinder wall scoring has not been a problem. Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Duncan Charlton'" <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:51:36 -0700

They are forged Wiseco's
jg

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:44 AM
To: Jim Gray
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4
Red #6



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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Nov 14 19:20:59 2012
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:20:59 -0800
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <20121114024611.ADC7A2D06C4@autox.team.net>
References: <20121114024611.ADC7A2D06C4@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <50A4518B.7000505@comcast.net>

I no longer build my own Spitfire engines so I'm not sure what the 
clearances are, but I have noticed something similar in the sound of the 
engine during warm up.  Last year, I ran some early season races where 
the temperature was down in the 40's over night.  Upon starting the 
engine, I had a noise that was evidently piston slap until the engine 
warmed up a bit.  Once warm, no noise and the engine ran great.  That 
went away once the low temps warmed up during the summer.  This year, we 
only ran in the summer and the piston slap was never noticeable.

On 11/13/2012 6:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:
> FoT
>
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold. In
> a hurry
>
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
> my post season
>
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be
>
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
> up with a
>
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
>
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
>
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
>
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most part
> at 60 degrees.
>
> jim g
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Nov 14 19:51:31 2012
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:51:31 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Re J-type OD enhancements for racing
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b2CjZPLKS3gKiwLsLAmZ7=vhcZ=4ruZ77xJ5=Kq0VuL=g@mail.gmail.com>

it seems most of you are talking about A type stuff, none of this is
relevant to the posters query on J type

if anyone wants a really tuff A type, then look for the ones made by
Italians A.E. Bianci under licence to Laycock, for Ferrari (330 models etc
up to 1965 when the 5 speed came into use). These use the "conventional"
Laycock front case but have a much bigger rear case with huge planet gears
and pins, to better handle the torque of the big ferrari

for the J type. we use modified Dolomite Sprint & Volvo ones as they have a
fuller front case making it less likely to distort. I still have the
laycock drawing re mods to the pistons in the early versions of these
o/d's, but as these have not been around for years , it is probably
irrelevant.

best to start with a unit from early 80's Volvo 244 or go buy a brand new
one from Gear Vendors in USA

the changes needed to the J type for race use are:

   - open up the Z port drilling
   - shim up annulus gear to reduce clutch travel to its absolute minimum
   - check the lining & carrier is true and not wobbling (this causes
   erratic contact patches)
   - fit new nitrided planet gear pins & cryo treat the gears & needle
   bearings
   - very careful assembly of the hydraulic valve in the solenoid


we get about 3-4 years racing per rebuild. we have no noticeable slippage
on change and can make a change into overdrive faster that a change of
gears. by using a carefully selected ratio set, we can get a very useable
3rd overdrive which we race with all the time in our Historic 2.5PI

Terry O' Beirne
Australia

From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Nov 14 22:36:54 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:36:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1353025108.3964.fot@autox.team.net>

I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I 
was at about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket 
problem turned out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head 
problem.  I don't have giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so 
I notched the liner to match the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so 
there was something supporting it on one side in the pocket that 
disappeared.  I put the seam side against the liner then.

Tony Drews

At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are 
>gone.  i'm
>not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
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From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:17:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] new video
Message-ID: <1353028657.51428.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I posted a couple of videos on my YOUTUBE page.... Bobby Whitehead is my 
page..duh... not ALL Triumph although there are two glory sessions in my GT-6+ 
at TWS in February... so, no slagging me for a GTA post, I had to unload the 
Spitfire off my trailer to load the GTA... so, 2 Triumphs in the garage, one in 
the trailer...  so, still FOT FOREVER.. 

Bobby Whitehead

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Nov 15 18:22:08 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:22:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>

Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with no
problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat & true &
properly installed.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem turned
out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't have
giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it on
one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
liner then.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone.
i'm
>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 15 19:41:58 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:41:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>

Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to worry
about.




Joe Alexander

Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket


Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with no
problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat & true
&
properly installed.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem turned
out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't have
giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it on
one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
liner then.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone.
i'm
>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov 15 19:56:53 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:56:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fw:Frequencies for the weekend??
Message-ID: <1353034613.11999.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

For any FOT'ers going to the F1 race this weekend. This came across my racing
history list.
-Ed-

--- On Thu, 11/15/12, Randall <ndrjc1 at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Randall <ndrjc1 at comcast.net>
Subject: [RH] Re: OT -- frequencies for the weekend??
To: RacingHistory at yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 8:29 PM



B 



Bill:

Maybe something has changed but a couple of years ago the race team
frequencies for F1 were encrypted. However, I think you can set up your
scanner across a wide range and search for both the public address and F1
international broadcast (both television and radio) and then listen to them.
Also, the Circuit of the Americas is handling their race control issues
(observers, track officials, etc.) communications over multiple frequencies.
Here's a list of some them. At least this should be a start for something
interestin to listen to.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?action=fle&os=0&s=city&stid=48&en=CIRC
UIT%20OF%20THE%20AMERICAS%20LLC

Randall Cook
Indianapolis, IN

--- In RacingHistory at yahoogroups.com, "Blaylock, Bill" <w-blaylock at ...>
wrote:
>
> This is OT, but does anyone have radio frequencies for the Formula 1 crowd,
or know where I could find them?
>
>
> Regards,
> Bill Blaylock
> Dallas, Texas
>
>


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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 06:58:09 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:58:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
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Ed,
I gotta say this was done right with few exceptions.  Crowd control didn't
seem to be an issue very often (although you didn't want to get caught on the
wrong side of the pedestrian bridge at lunchtime) and there were may places to
get a good view.  We ended up watching from turn 19 where we could also see
turn 20, turn 1, and the Jumbotron directly across from us.  Turn 11 was
probably better even thought you can't see as much of the track.  There were
many passing attempts there and the Jumbotron screen is close and easy to see.
The slope is steep there (for those with general admission tickets) so one's
view wasn't as likely to be blocked by somebody in a folding chair camping out
in front of you as was the case at turn 19.  We had a grandstand seat at 6,
which I chose after studying the track map -- problem was, although we could
see a lot of the track from there, not much action occurred there.  I bought
the seat just in case the weather turned out to be rainy.  I'm very familiar
with the type of soil where the track is, having owned property with the exact
same type -- it's called "black gumbo" for a reason.  It sticks to your shoes
and before you know it you have six pounds of clay attached to each foot.
Many of the general admission observation points had little or no grass
growing yet and were covered with this soil.  Most attendees will never know
how nasty it would have been to have to walk through that soil, which would
have been tracked everywhere.

At any rate, it was great fun to be there.  Not sure I'll do it again since
I'm not that big a fan of F1 but it was nevertheless a good time.  I imagine
the other CVAR attendees would feel the same.

Duncan

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Nov 19 09:40:59 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:40:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
In-Reply-To: <73D0744A-4EF5-489E-B016-A9B86940DDB8@gmail.com>
References: <1353165866.91789.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<5C2F91B6-2AD6-4897-8D9E-456389BF3246@gmail.com>
	<73D0744A-4EF5-489E-B016-A9B86940DDB8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D826AF4-FF3C-4825-B644-601C815AA0F7@austin.rr.com>

Ditto for me. Watched the race starting at T11 and walked back to our seats at
T2 . Saw a lot of action at 11 but passing wasn't all that common. It will be
great to race the TR's there. Thank you Bob Blake.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ed,
> I gotta say this was done right with few exceptions.  Crowd control didn't
> seem to be an issue very often (although you didn't want to get caught on
the
> wrong side of the pedestrian bridge at lunchtime) and there were may places
to
> get a good view.  We ended up watching from turn 19 where we could also see
> turn 20, turn 1, and the Jumbotron directly across from us.  Turn 11 was
> probably better even thought you can't see as much of the track.  There
were
> many passing attempts there and the Jumbotron screen is close and easy to
see.
> The slope is steep there (for those with general admission tickets) so
one's
> view wasn't as likely to be blocked by somebody in a folding chair camping
out
> in front of you as was the case at turn 19.  We had a grandstand seat at 6,
> which I chose after studying the track map -- problem was, although we
could
> see a lot of the track from there, not much action occurred there.  I
bought
> the seat just in case the weather turned out to be rainy.  I'm very
familiar
> with the type of soil where the track is, having owned property with the
exact
> same type -- it's called "black gumbo" for a reason.  It sticks to your
shoes
> and before you know it you have six pounds of clay attached to each foot.
> Many of the general admission observation points had little or no grass
> growing yet and were covered with this soil.  Most attendees will never
know
> how nasty it would have been to have to walk through that soil, which would
> have been tracked everywhere.
>
> At any rate, it was great fun to be there.  Not sure I'll do it again since
> I'm not that big a fan of F1 but it was nevertheless a good time.  I
imagine
> the other CVAR attendees would feel the same.
>
> Duncan
> _______________________________________________
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Nov 19 10:51:14 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:51:14 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Dick Hughes -nice TR3 video
In-Reply-To: <6168426.1353198960186.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <6168426.1353198960186.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W13F88931E56CD30C80A1C9DF560@phx.gbl>

When out at the last race at Willow Springs a couple weeks ago Peggy & I
looked this car over, up at the top of the hill, tried to find the owner when
I saw the FOT sign, but had no idea who to look for, anyway wonderful looking
car. Great video, nice treat for a retired guy. I'll have to think about that
when I get old. :-)

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:35:59 -0500
> From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Dick Hughes -nice TR3 video
>
> Here's a nice video I discovered which highlights TR3 Owner, Dick Hughes.
Dick has a 50-year racing history, a trained operatic voice, and is an
all-around great guy.
>
> Dick retired from vintage racing last year, check out this video.
>
> http://www.petrolicious.com/articles/triumph
>
> ~Steve
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Nov 19 10:55:58 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:55:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
In-Reply-To: <73D0744A-4EF5-489E-B016-A9B86940DDB8@gmail.com>
References: <1353165866.91789.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><5C2F91B6-2AD6-4897-8D9E-456389BF3246@gmail.com>
	<73D0744A-4EF5-489E-B016-A9B86940DDB8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3CF41C9750C14B539BCDB7869D02F604@Vista>

Duncan,
According to the Speed Channel's program covering the building of the
circuit, several tons of that soil were removed from the track area so that
it could be replaced by a more stable substance in order to keep the track
from sinking.  I can still remember walking through that stuff as a younger
version of myself.  The further you walk, the taller you become.

Cheers,
Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Duncan Charlton
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 6:58 AM
To: EDWARD BARNARD
Cc: FOT of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re: Frequencies for the weekend??

Ed,
I gotta say this was done right with few exceptions.  Crowd control didn't
seem to be an issue very often (although you didn't want to get caught on
the
wrong side of the pedestrian bridge at lunchtime) and there were may places
to
get a good view.  We ended up watching from turn 19 where we could also see
turn 20, turn 1, and the Jumbotron directly across from us.  Turn 11 was
probably better even thought you can't see as much of the track.  There were
many passing attempts there and the Jumbotron screen is close and easy to
see.
The slope is steep there (for those with general admission tickets) so one's
view wasn't as likely to be blocked by somebody in a folding chair camping
out
in front of you as was the case at turn 19.  We had a grandstand seat at 6,
which I chose after studying the track map -- problem was, although we could
see a lot of the track from there, not much action occurred there.  I bought
the seat just in case the weather turned out to be rainy.  I'm very familiar
with the type of soil where the track is, having owned property with the
exact
same type -- it's called "black gumbo" for a reason.  It sticks to your
shoes
and before you know it you have six pounds of clay attached to each foot.
Many of the general admission observation points had little or no grass
growing yet and were covered with this soil.  Most attendees will never know
how nasty it would have been to have to walk through that soil, which would
have been tracked everywhere.

At any rate, it was great fun to be there.  Not sure I'll do it again since
I'm not that big a fan of F1 but it was nevertheless a good time.  I imagine
the other CVAR attendees would feel the same.

Duncan
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 11:34:31 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:34:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
In-Reply-To: <3CF41C9750C14B539BCDB7869D02F604@Vista>
References: <1353165866.91789.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><5C2F91B6-2AD6-4897-8D9E-456389BF3246@gmail.com>
	<73D0744A-4EF5-489E-B016-A9B86940DDB8@gmail.com>
	<3CF41C9750C14B539BCDB7869D02F604@Vista>
Message-ID: <6F6575F0-A936-4F50-9A81-D2BAEA085CB8@gmail.com>

Joe,

I also had heard that.  Same story when they talked about moving the city
airport to Manor several decades ago.  I tried to imagine how much excavation
it would take to build the Roman road version of a runway out there on the
Blackland Prairie.  At the time I'd been flying an ultralight miniMAX out of
Bird's Nest airport, about a mile from the proposed municipal airport site,
where there was only about 300 feet of decent runway (out of 3200 feet), right
in the middle.

If you walked in black gumbo, maybe you also had to shovel it.  Very hard when
dry, but it would stick to your shovel when wet enough to dig.  You used your
boot to push it off the shovel, and then...

Duncan


On Nov 19, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Joe Curry wrote:

> Duncan,
> According to the Speed Channel's program covering the building of the
> circuit, several tons of that soil were removed from the track area so that
> it could be replaced by a more stable substance in order to keep the track
> from sinking.  I can still remember walking through that stuff as a younger
> version of myself.  The further you walk, the taller you become.
>
> Cheers,
> Joe C.

From mmoore at wave1.net  Mon Nov 19 13:31:07 2012
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:31:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
Message-ID: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>

Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
the job without breaking the bank?

 

Thanks

Mike

62 TR4

 

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

 

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383

From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 19 14:20:44 2012
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:20:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] US GP
Message-ID: <E97E4A27-4D4A-4D4A-9638-7B91A944C648@btinternet.com>

Guys,

What a circuit, looks truly magnificent and a real advertisement for F1in the
USA; gave us the best race of the season in my opinion.

Keith

From SpiwakD at aol.com  Fri Nov 16 12:43:23 2012
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:43:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: school bus racing
Message-ID: <49ec9.629fd3c8.3dd7f15b@aol.com>

____________________________________
 From: frankskepton at yahoo.com
To: SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: 11/16/2012  1:00:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: school bus racing



new to me but looks interesting... it must happen right after the  
demolition derby!  
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7fQz4xzW4_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7fQz4xzW4)    

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 15:32:16 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:32:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
In-Reply-To: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
References: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
Message-ID: <B09E1877-6BDA-4F2C-BA97-C8956A2205B0@gmail.com>

Mike,
I assume you don't mean an infrared hand-held one for checking exhaust
manifolds, tire temps etc., but instead an exhaust gas temperature gauge to
mount on the dash.  Try Wicks Aircraft or Aircraft Spruce and Specialty if you
want a dual or quad EGT to check more than one location -- here's a Westach
quad for $235 but you'll have to pay more for the senders:
http://tinyurl.com/ccvxyj2.  These are used in many homebuilt aircraft and are
not too expensive.  Another source is 42Draft designs.com (42 Draft Designs,
1554 Millersville Rd, Millersville, MD 21108 Phone: 410-923-0411) -- they have
a Vision series VDO EGT gauge for $130.  I bought something similar a few
years ago because they had a style that was a close match to the other gauges
in my Vixen 21td motorhome.

Duncan
(Texas)


On Nov 19, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Mike Moore wrote:

> Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
> the job without breaking the bank?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> 62 TR4
>
>
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
>
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
>
> Fax:        814-864-7383
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From igofaster at att.net  Mon Nov 19 15:49:41 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:49:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire for Sale
Message-ID: <1353365381.12399.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Car for Sale, delete if not interested....

1965 Spitfire full race car for sale. It's a project. Complete. 1500 engine in 
car right now (close to running) a new rebuild on a 1300 small journal 030 over, 
balanced... bunch of new stuff and all the extras I can throw in,,, before I 
list it anywhere else, it's offered here... NEEDS COMPLETED, NOT Running at this 
moment... contact me off list if interested... $6000.00
Bobby Whitehead   igofaster at att.net

From triumphs at consolidated.net  Mon Nov 19 16:25:28 2012
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:25:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
In-Reply-To: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
References: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
Message-ID: <961C12D4-0137-471F-8652-EED50D659E24@consolidated.net>

Try

http://www.egauges.com/eg_typeI.asp?Type=Pyrometer&Face=All&Bezel=All&Lightin
g=All&Letter=All&Needle=All&Diameter=All&Manf=All

Kg

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 19, 2012, at 2:31 PM, "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net> wrote:

> Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
> the job without breaking the bank?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> 62 TR4
>
>
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
>
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
>
> Fax:        814-864-7383
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Nov 19 18:55:53 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:55:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
In-Reply-To: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1353377109.32080.fot@autox.team.net>

I use one of the Longacres, here's a link to one for $ 100.

Jim g. 

http://compare.ebay.com/like/290092036788?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes
&var=sbar

 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Moore
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:31 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer

Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
the job without breaking the bank?

 

Thanks

Mike

62 TR4

 

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

 

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 19 20:49:19 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:49:19 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
Message-ID: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Friends,

Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the history of my racing TR3.
Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it entertaining!


http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/

~STEVE

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 20 04:34:09 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:34:09 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
In-Reply-To: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000901cdc712$f75c9130$e615b390$@com>

Amazing video....best ever saw!!!!!

Thanks for sharing it!

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von steve
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. November 2012 04:49
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3

Friends,

Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the
history of my racing TR3.
Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it
entertaining!


http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/

~STEVE
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 20 04:38:54 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:38:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
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Message-ID: <000a01cdc713$a008cdd0$e01a6970$@com>

Are in TV business?
Your videos (Willlow Springs) are so professional made.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von steve
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. November 2012 04:49
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3

Friends,

Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the
history of my racing TR3.
Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it
entertaining!


http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/

~STEVE
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 20 08:28:50 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:28:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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1/16" toe in is a good place to start.

Tony Drews

At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb ]
>front springs.
>Thanks
>--
>Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov 20 08:35:19 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Message-ID: <BCA9B700-CD80-4093-98F9-85C22073FD10@me.com>

looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.  
Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are warm?  25lb?

From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 11:00:56 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:00:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
In-Reply-To: <50aba1b5.a500450a.183b.ffffe360SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <CAMc4sNDH29Hja5D+YFJAXX94r+ie8VsF7h0H9PM9P4vW3P6pMA@mail.gmail.com>
	<50aba1b5.a500450a.183b.ffffe360SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
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Thanks Tony.

Is that each side is in a 1/16, or each a 32nd?  Will use the "strings"
method so I know what each side is doing.  Also, car now pulls to te left.
Steeing wheel is removable so can be set to any position to center.  Should
I hold the wheel straight as I come to a stop and then set each side from
that point, or should I move the wheel so that the left side is at 1/16th
in, then adjust the right, then reposition the wheel?

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> 1/16" toe in is a good place to start.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
>> What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb ]
>> front springs.
>> Thanks
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 20 11:55:38 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:55:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 20 12:06:42 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:06:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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What I said was:
1/16" total, or 1/32" on each side.  Up to 1/8" total Toe In would be 
acceptable.

You should center the rack first if possible, but I just point it 
straight ahead as I come to a stop.

Pulling to one side indicates something else not being the same from 
side to side.  I've got to chase a bit of that myself as I am pulling 
to the left under braking after my front suspension swap.  I'll try 
to do a much more detailed setting of camber and caster prior to 
re-doing the toe settings.

Tony

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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Nov 20 13:56:27 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:56:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
In-Reply-To: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Steve,
Your photo history hits real close to home. Your family was on the Midwest
scene about a decade before mine. Those photos you spotlight from Blackhawk
and Road America etc. are visual images that play in my mind quite often.
Those were great times for me growing up at those same tracks (about 10
years later). Very nice little history sequence there...Thanks.
The neat details you provided will help me keep your family's Legendary
Triumph history alive back "home" here within Midwestern Council and VSCDA.
For the record, that car is still talked about here for its stout record of
solid performance... requiring little more at track effort than simply
being toweled down between sessions.
I remember it mostly from it's orange era, I had a similar colored "corgi
junior Morgan" that I used to pretend was your dad's TR3. At the track back
then, most of my time was spent reenacting the races in the dirt with my
toy cars.
Thanks for pointing toward your website....and to officially state the
obvious; that car... it's complete story... a real treasure!
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM, steve <colordog.1 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Friends,
>
> Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the
> history of my racing TR3.
> Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it
> entertaining!
>
>
> http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/
>
> ~STEVE
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 21 04:09:09 2012
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:09:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] MGB parts needed for racecar
Message-ID: <1353496149.62232.YahooMailNeo@web140804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Fellow FOT'ers..Looking for a set of MGB (any vintage) twin SU's, intake manifold & exhaust manifold or header. 

This is for (drum roll) an Austin Marina 24 Hours of LeMons car that some friends of mine are putting together 

(I donated the car to the project).

Now that you are done laughing...anyone got anything?

Proximity to NC is a plus, but shipping won't be TOO bad...I hope.


Please respond directly to me to save list bandwidth...thanks.

Jamie Palmer

tr6driver at yahoo.com

From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 21 09:40:44 2012
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:40:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] MGB Parts found...
Message-ID: <1353516044.71983.YahooMailNeo@web140803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Thanks to a friendly FOT'er, looks like the MGB parts have been located :-) 
(Thanks, Ed!)
 
Love you folks...  :-)
 
Jamie

From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Nov 21 11:12:12 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:12:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR6 slave cylinder question
Message-ID: <895749813.393745.1353521532702.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello Friends, 
I need to get a slave cylinder for my TR3 which now has the TR4A-TR6 trans, pressure plate and throwout brg. The master cylinder is a Wilwood 3/4" bore. 
I noticed that Moss lists a different part number for the TR4A and TR6. Can anyone share some info on this and the correct cylinder needed. 
Thanks, 
Dave 

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Nov 21 14:47:34 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:47:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1353534454.46886.YahooMailNeo@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

http://michaelbulgergolf.com/wp-content/themes/theme1439/likeit.php?distant291.img

From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Nov 20 04:59:23 2012
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 06:59:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: school bus racing
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Yet another group to be formed in $VRA!

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new to me but looks interesting... it must happen right after the demolition
derby!  
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7fQz4xzW4_ 
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Nov 21 15:47:10 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:47:10 GMT
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Message-ID: <20121121.174710.29950.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500

looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are warm?
25lb?
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Wed Nov 21 15:52:20 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:52:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re:  front toe setting for racing TR6
Message-ID: <18a17.14b2ae61.3ddeb524@aol.com>

This reminds me of my time before correcting the bump and rebound changes  
in my TR's system; part of the process is to exactly center the rack  First. 
 The TR had 1.2" toe in on full bump, 1.7" toe Out on  rebound; trying to 
set to 1\32" was some what futile.  Yes, we are talking  inches here!
 
TR Regards,
 
Hardy

 

Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:06:42 -0600
From: Tony Drews  <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley"  <triosan at gmail.com>, Friends
<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] front toe setting for racing  TR6
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What I said was:
1/16"  total, or 1/32" on each side.  Up to 1/8" total Toe In would be  
acceptable.

You should center the rack first if possible, but I just  point it 
straight ahead as I come to a stop.

Pulling to one side  indicates something else not being the same from 
side to side.  I've  got to chase a bit of that myself as I am pulling 
to the left under braking  after my front suspension swap.  I'll try 
to do a much more detailed  setting of camber and caster prior to 
re-doing the toe  settings.

Tony

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Nov 21 16:29:48 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:29:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
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Where is it legal to run slicks?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:

> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>
> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
warm?
> 25lb?
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 21 22:13:41 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:13:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
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I run 19 on my  2200 lbs TR6.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:29 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
>> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
>> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>>
>> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
>> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
> warm?
>> 25lb?
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Thu Nov 22 03:49:51 2012
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:49:51 +1100
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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I run 2mm toe out to give better turn in
Geoff Byrne 
TR6 Racer down under

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Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 2:29 AM
To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley; Friends
Subject: Re: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6

1/16" toe in is a good place to start.

Tony Drews

At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb 
>] front springs.
>Thanks
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Nov 22 05:49:29 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 07:49:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl
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Amici

I will be at the bowl Saturday with some badges and flags if anyone wants one
or a few. I hope to see flags and badges on the cars.

Half of all sales gets donated to the FOT fund.

See you there

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Nov 22 06:23:29 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
In-Reply-To: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>
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Message-ID: <2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>

It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the Miatas.  Recommended, even.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>


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Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?

Where is it legal to run slicks?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:

> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>
> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
warm?
> 25lb?
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 22 06:56:35 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:56:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>

Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little love
taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to be out there with them.

Marty
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> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
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> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
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> To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 22 07:09:22 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 06:09:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNCvM+wgiiiuHPZmTdgxM0qsnSf_7HLZDvnk760W1CvqUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc4sNDH29Hja5D+YFJAXX94r+ie8VsF7h0H9PM9P4vW3P6pMA@mail.gmail.com>
	<50aba1b5.a500450a.183b.ffffe360SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<CAMc4sNCvM+wgiiiuHPZmTdgxM0qsnSf_7HLZDvnk760W1CvqUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1353593362.42561.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Depends on a lot of things, width of front track,width of tire wheel combo,
offset of wheel. With slicks I run1/16th total toe-in with the narrower tire
wheel combo that I ran at the Mitty, I found that 0 toe handled better. 

Mike
________________________________
 From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
<triosan at gmail.com>
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>; Friends
<fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:00 PM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
 
Thanks Tony.

Is that each side is in
a 1/16, or each a 32nd?  Will use the "strings"
method so I know what each
side is doing.  Also, car now pulls to te left.
Steeing wheel is removable so
can be set to any position to center.  Should
I hold the wheel straight as I
come to a stop and then set each side from
that point, or should I move the
wheel so that the left side is at 1/16th
in, then adjust the right, then
reposition the wheel?

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Tony Drews
<tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> 1/16" toe in is a good place to start.
>
> Tony
Drews
>
> At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
>> What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb ]
>>
front springs.
>> Thanks
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 22 07:20:50 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:20:50 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a101cdc8bc$9402a2e0$bc07e8a0$@com>

I didn't know that the NASA maintains car racing.
"Huston, this is 'finish line', we've got a problem"
:-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von marty sukey
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. November 2012 14:57
Cc: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little
love taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I
would want to be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they
> > are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 08:37:54 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:37:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies, Thanks
Message-ID: <874870896.418343.1353598674533.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thanks to everyone for the replies to my slave cylinder question. I now know what I need to know and then some. 
I really appreciate the info, 
Dave 

From igofaster at att.net  Thu Nov 22 08:59:36 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 07:59:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I too saw the Playboy Cup at Road Atlanta with the Miatas running at speed in 
competition... it was like mini-Nascar....  bumping and rubbing all over the 
place...sounded like a hornets nest all stirred up....   Bobby Whitehead







________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 22, 2012 8:00:51 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little love
taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 22 09:11:32 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:11:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR if you missed the original offer and more.
Message-ID: <8CF96E32B9B7FA8-1AE0-A1F9@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com>

100 California Air DVDs have been distributed in North America.

200 California Air  DVDs have been distributed elsewhere, by John Clancy.

I am getting ready to import more .

www.triumphdvd.co.uk   has trailers and more selections.

I will special order those other selections if you wish to add your favorite
model of Triumph to your archives. hurry on those, if you will.

John Clancy has done Triumph proud.

Let me know if you want me to reserve a California Air for you.  THANKS!



Joe Alexander
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 22 09:16:30 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:16:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
	<1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CF96E3DD5DE612-1AE0-A23C@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com>

At ROAD AMERICA the two MIATA PLAYBOY CUP leaders wrecked just yards in front
of the Checkered Flag.  Both were spinning when they crossed the line.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 10:04 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas


I too saw the Playboy Cup at Road Atlanta with the Miatas running at speed in
competition... it was like mini-Nascar....  bumping and rubbing all over the
place...sounded like a hornets nest all stirred up....   Bobby Whitehead







________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 22, 2012 8:00:51 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little
love
taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 09:17:31 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:17:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re:  front toe setting for racing TR6
In-Reply-To: <18a17.14b2ae61.3ddeb524@aol.com>
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I found that by eliminating the front spring spacers combined with lowered
comp springs the steering rack centers itself.
Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Catpusher at aol.com wrote:

> This reminds me of my time before correcting the bump and rebound changes
> in my TR's system; part of the process is to exactly center the rack  First.
> The TR had 1.2" toe in on full bump, 1.7" toe Out on  rebound; trying to
> set to 1\32" was some what futile.  Yes, we are talking  inches here!
>
> TR Regards,
>
> Hardy
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:06:42 -0600
> From: Tony Drews  <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley"  <triosan at gmail.com>, Friends
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] front toe setting for racing  TR6
> Message-ID:  <mailman.10.1353524402.27956.fot at autox.team.net>
> Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> What I said was:
> 1/16"  total, or 1/32" on each side.  Up to 1/8" total Toe In would be
> acceptable.
>
> You should center the rack first if possible, but I just  point it
> straight ahead as I come to a stop.
>
> Pulling to one side  indicates something else not being the same from
> side to side.  I've  got to chase a bit of that myself as I am pulling
> to the left under braking  after my front suspension swap.  I'll try
> to do a much more detailed  setting of camber and caster prior to
> re-doing the toe  settings.
>
> Tony
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Nov 22 09:52:19 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:52:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Transmission Lube
Message-ID: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>

I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to know what the
consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in a TR6 and
regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Nov 22 10:44:31 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:44:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <bf1bbb22-5a79-4dbd-a165-266cb3a357d5@blur>
References: <bf1bbb22-5a79-4dbd-a165-266cb3a357d5@blur>
Message-ID: <cd9233e7-f863-4f2a-8ffb-b53decf545fa@blur>

I have been using MTL in my 4-speed GT6 trans in the Spitfire for a bunch of years.   So far so good.  For their J-type overdrive, John Esposito recommends straight 30-weight non-detergent oil (try your local ag store, such as Fleet Farm, etc.).  Don't know if that would be different for the A-type.

Scott B.


Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>


-----Original message-----
From: Sam <trdoctor at aol.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>, "6-pack at autox.team.net" <6-pack at autox.team.net>, "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 16:51:35 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Fot] Transmission Lube

I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to know what the
consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in a TR6 and
regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 11:52:28 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:52:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies
In-Reply-To: <484815655.419306.1353601547158.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1946906174.422264.1353610348792.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT, I guess that I should share what I've learned about TR slave cylinders. 
It seams that either TR4A or TR6 slave cylinder will work. Attention needs to be paid to the push rod length, an adjustable rod is available and I've been informed that the TR6 slave has an internal return spring compared to the external spring on the earlier units. Later TR3s through TR4A use the same slave. 
Thanks again, 
Dave 

From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Nov 22 12:41:48 2012
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (K LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:41:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Happy Day with friends & family !
Message-ID: <BLU151-ds20F466741080A72808A6E7B75B0@phx.gbl>

To all of you from Subprime Vintage Racing,
Happy Thanksgiving !

Kev Lynch
#6

From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Nov 22 14:36:46 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:36:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
In-Reply-To: <49D64C3F-D486-487B-8EF7-A965AA1271E5@yahoo.com>
References: <20121121.174710.29950.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>,
	<32EF0648-9A26-42D9-85B3-2ED0E7D14C0C@gdhs.com>,
	<49D64C3F-D486-487B-8EF7-A965AA1271E5@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT141-W412097FECB78B3BCB59269B25B0@phx.gbl>

Do you NOT set pressures/camber using tire temps ? The infra red heat guns are
worthless to check tires temps. as they only check surface temps.  Use a probe
type pyrometer . check the tire in 3 places across the tread
(inner-centre-outer) Hot in the centre will tell you too much pressure etcetc.
Every track/driver is different.   Hope this piece of info will help someone
:) Tony Garmey
 > From: fasttrs at yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:13:41 -0500
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> I run 19 on my  2200 lbs TR6.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:29 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>
> > Where is it legal to run slicks?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
> >>
> >> ---------- Original Message ----------
> >> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> >> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> >> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >>
> >> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> >> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
> > warm?
> >> 25lb?
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From rikrock at live.com  Thu Nov 22 17:06:02 2012
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:06:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl
Message-ID: <BAY403-EAS189CCABB0F2B588144F750FC65A0@phx.gbl>

Scott Janzen will be there with his TR4 and I'll be there with my TR6-powered
TVR.

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Christopher Bock
Sent: 11/22/2012 7:59 AM
To: FoTTriumph
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl

Amici

I will be at the bowl Saturday with some badges and flags if anyone wants one
or a few. I hope to see flags and badges on the cars.

Half of all sales gets donated to the FOT fund.

See you there
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 22 17:07:18 2012
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:07:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
	<1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1353629238.12814.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Ran the Club Rabbit in group 2 ICSCC for 6 years with about 30 Miata's in the
group.  It took a while  to get used to.  Left tire marks on more than on
Miata and pleanty of dents and marks the the CR.  My race start theory in
Portland is to not lose and spots at the start and avoid the wreck in the
Chicane which usually took 8 cars out at the start. You were ahead 8 spots
pretty quickly that way.  It was strange to start vintage racing where most of
the drivers are pretty respectful.  I would say that running the TR4 in
SOVREN  feels more like a giant team with everyone helping each other.  
 
Mike Mehl
 

________________________________
 From: Bobby Whitehead
<igofaster at att.net>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> 
Cc: FoT Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:59 AM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
  
I too saw the Playboy Cup at Road Atlanta with
the Miatas running at speed in 
competition... it was like mini-Nascar.... 
bumping and rubbing all over the 
place...sounded like a hornets nest all
stirred up....   Bobby Whitehead







________________________________
From:
marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu,
November 22, 2012 8:00:51 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of
hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year
(watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those
guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going
at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running
into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little love
taps
and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to
be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
>
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
>
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re:
[Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in
Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended,
even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
>
www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com/>
>
>
> -----Original
message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch
<jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent:
Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for
Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from
my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch"
<jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my
TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott
Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle
slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a
starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50
degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
> >
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Nov 22 17:35:57 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 00:35:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-W412097FECB78B3BCB59269B25B0@phx.gbl>
References: <20121121.174710.29950.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>, ,
	<32EF0648-9A26-42D9-85B3-2ED0E7D14C0C@gdhs.com>, ,
	<49D64C3F-D486-487B-8EF7-A965AA1271E5@yahoo.com>,
	<SNT141-W412097FECB78B3BCB59269B25B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W195D9B0C74E720EE5295FEDF5A0@phx.gbl>

To add to Tony's words, do not be bound by the tire companies words.  The tire
is a spring and it depends on YOUR car and springing and suspension how it
works.  EXPIRMENT.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > From: horizonracing at msn.com
> To: fasttrs at yahoo.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:36:46 -0800
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Do you NOT set pressures/camber using tire temps ? The infra red heat guns
are
> worthless to check tires temps. as they only check surface temps.  Use a
probe
> type pyrometer . check the tire in 3 places across the tread
> (inner-centre-outer) Hot in the centre will tell you too much pressure
etcetc.
> Every track/driver is different.   Hope this piece of info will help
someone
> :) Tony Garmey
>  > From: fasttrs at yahoo.com
> > Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:13:41 -0500
> > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> >
> > I run 19 on my  2200 lbs TR6.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:29 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Where is it legal to run slicks?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
> > >>
> > >> ---------- Original Message ----------
> > >> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > >> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > >> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> > >>
> > >> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > >> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they
are
> > > warm?
> > >> 25lb?
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> fot at autox.team.net
> > >>
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 19:03:43 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:03:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>

I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for  
15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of  
recommendations from this great list.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:

> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to  
> know what the
> consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in  
> a TR6 and
> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri Nov 23 07:12:16 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:12:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph DVD's by John Clancy
Message-ID: <50AF8440.4010801@bright.net>

List, we have these videos in stock.  They are on the home page of our 
website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com.  We have had these for over a 
year.  We featured them at the recent Mitty and John and his wife were 
available at our booth to talk about the videos, sign them, etc. As a 
special from now until Jan 1, videos, regularly $25 + shipping are $20 
including shipping.  Yes,  California Air is on the list. Or, any parts 
order over $100, new - used - stock - performance - rebuilt parts, 
receives a DVD of your choice for $5. Thanks foryour time. Hope everyone 
has a great holiday week-end. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
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Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Nov 23 14:24:42 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl
Message-ID: <7AAFBBB6-D5DF-40B8-A068-0E7925B3497F@aol.com>

Due to unforeseen circumstances I will not be able to attend the races.  

Sorry
Chris

From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 24 08:59:06 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>

I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7 of 8
tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and checking
geometry.

I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket was
burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground back as
well.

Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
feathering back the sleeves as well.

Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
worry
> about.
>
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>
>
> Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with
no
> problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
true
> &
> properly installed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>
>> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
> about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
turned
> out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
have
> giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
> the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
on
> one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> liner then.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
gone.
> i'm
>>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
>>> _______________________________________________
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Nov 24 10:54:16 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:54:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <mailman.8.1353779627.32080.fot@autox.team.net>

You can't really "grind back" the composite gasket and still have it 
seal.  You need to gingerly uncrimp the sandwich around the valve 
pocket, then cut back the inner asbestos-like material, then gingerly 
recrimp the two copper sides back together.  It's easy to tear the 
copper in the process.

Tony

At 09:59 AM 11/24/2012, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I 
>broke 7 of 8 tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am 
>fixing that and checking geometry.
>
>I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 
>gasket was burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves 
>are not ground back as well.
>
>Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be 
>feathering back the sleeves as well.
>
>Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
>
>Thx
>
>Ty
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>(Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
>On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less 
> thing to worry
> > about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> >
> >
> > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger 
> valve with no
> > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are 
> flat & true
> > &
> > properly installed.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
> > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket 
> problem turned
> > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I 
> don't have
> > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
> > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something 
> supporting it on
> > one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> > liner then.
> >>
> >> Tony Drews
> >>
> >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
> >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve 
> pockets are gone.
> > i'm
> >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
> >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> fot at autox.team.net
> >>>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Nov 24 12:58:03 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:58:03 +0000
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>,
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>,
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>,
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>,
	<7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W21B5509575B14C4390A17FDF590@phx.gbl>

If you try to cut back a composite gasket you have a good chance of having the
thin copper face parts facing into  the flame of combustion which is going
heat the copper red hot quickly, this will start pre-ignition and then
detonation. Result, dead engine. In a few words. DON'T DO IT.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>
> I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7 of
8
> tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and
checking
> geometry.
>
> I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket
was
> burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground back
as
> well.
>
> Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
> feathering back the sleeves as well.
>
> Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
>
> Thx
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
> worry
> > about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> >
> >
> > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve
with
> no
> > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
> true
> > &
> > properly installed.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was
at
> > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
> turned
> > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
> have
> > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to
match
> > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
> on
> > one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> > liner then.
> >>
> >> Tony Drews
> >>
> >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
> >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
> gone.
> > i'm
> >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
> >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> fot at autox.team.net
> >>>
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Nov 25 10:21:50 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:21:50 GMT
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Message-ID: <20121125.122150.8330.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

Valve spring height will depend on what valves, retainers, springs and seat
pressure you are using.  I am using BFE valves, springs and titanium retainers
and use a 1.6 inch spring height.  I have to use spring seats and shims to
achieve that.  I have redline set at 7300 rpm and want to be sure that I don't
float the valves, so my seat pressure is higher than what some may run.
Sorry, but I don't have my notes handy to tell you what the spring pressures
are.  210 pounds at 0.5 inch lift seams to ring a bell.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700

I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7 of
8
tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and checking
geometry.

I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket was
burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground back
as
well.

Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
feathering back the sleeves as well.

Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
worry
> about.
>
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>
>
> Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with
no
> problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
true
> &
> properly installed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>
>> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
> about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
turned
> out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
have
> giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
> the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
on
> one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> liner then.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
gone.
> i'm
>>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Nov 25 10:30:25 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:30:25 GMT
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Message-ID: <20121125.123025.8330.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

I run slicks with SCCA.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
Cc: "sjanzen at me.com" <sjanzen at me.com>,        "fot at autox.team.net"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:29:48 -0500

Where is it legal to run slicks?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:

> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>
> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
warm?
> 25lb?
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov 22 12:23:34 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:23:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies
In-Reply-To: <1946906174.422264.1353610348792.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1353612214.46342.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I could be mistaken but I believe there is also a difference in the overall length of the cylinder, which requires it to be mounted on the opposite side of the mounting bracket.
JMTC
-Ed-

--- On Thu, 11/22/12, davehogye <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:


From: davehogye <dlhogye at comcast.net>
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 12:52 PM


FoT, I guess that I should share what I've learned about TR slave cylinders. 
It seams that either TR4A or TR6 slave cylinder will work. Attention needs to be paid to the push rod length, an adjustable rod is available and I've been informed that the TR6 slave has an internal return spring compared to the external spring on the earlier units. Later TR3s through TR4A use the same slave. 
Thanks again, 
Dave 
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 20:59:06 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:59:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W21B5509575B14C4390A17FDF590@phx.gbl>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
	<7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
	<SNT120-W21B5509575B14C4390A17FDF590@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A87E66AE-B5AD-4E35-B15F-B39ACDFFF15A@yahoo.com>

Thanks Kas! I need all the advice I can get.

Happy Holidays

Ty

Sent from my iPhone

'63 Triumph TR4 DP Racecar
'62 Triumph TR4 RestoMod (Project)
++++


On Nov 24, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> If you try to cut back a composite gasket you have a good chance of having
the thin copper face parts facing into  the flame of combustion which is going
heat the copper red hot quickly, this will start pre-ignition and then
detonation. Result, dead engine. In a few words. DON'T DO IT.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
> > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700
> > To: n197tr4 at cs.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> >
> > I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7
of 8
> > tops of the outer valve springs and one inner. I am fixing that and
checking
> > geometry.
> >
> > I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket
was
> > burnt where the gasket was not ground back. My sleeves are not ground back
as
> > well.
> >
> > Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
> > feathering back the sleeves as well.
> >
> > Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Ty
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > (Please excuse any errors or typos)
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing
to
> > worry
> > > about.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe Alexander
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> > >
> > >
> > > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve
with
> > no
> > > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
> > true
> > > &
> > > properly installed.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it. I was
at
> > > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
> > turned
> > > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem. I don't
> > have
> > > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to
match
> > > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting
it
> > on
> > > one side in the pocket that disappeared. I put the seam side against
the
> > > liner then.
> > >>
> > >> Tony Drews
> > >>
> > >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> > >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a
milled
> > >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
> > gone.
> > > i'm
> > >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
> > >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> fot at autox.team.net
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com
> > >>>
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 21:06:17 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:06:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
	<7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0954DF4D-1FB5-4FC0-9266-077152091D49@yahoo.com>

The car came with a new steel gasket. I will take some measurements to see how
thick it is.

Thanks Tony

Ty

Sent from my iPhone

'63 Triumph TR4 DP Racecar
'62 Triumph TR4 RestoMod (Project)
++++


On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> You can't really "grind back" the composite gasket and still have it seal.
You need to gingerly uncrimp the sandwich around the valve pocket, then cut
back the inner asbestos-like material, then gingerly recrimp the two copper
sides back together.  It's easy to tear the copper in the process.
>
> Tony
>
> At 09:59 AM 11/24/2012, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>> I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7
of 8 tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and
checking geometry.
>>
>> I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket
was burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground
back as well.
>>
>> Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
feathering back the sleeves as well.
>>
>> Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> Ty
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
worry
>> > about.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Joe Alexander
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>> >
>> >
>> > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve
with no
>> > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
true
>> > &
>> > properly installed.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was
at
>> > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
turned
>> > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
have
>> > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to
match
>> > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
on
>> > one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against
the
>> > liner then.
>> >>
>> >> Tony Drews
>> >>
>> >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>> >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>> >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
gone.
>> > i'm
>> >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>> >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> fot at autox.team.net
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> >>>
>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>> >
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Nov 26 08:56:47 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:56:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
Message-ID: <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0@phx.gbl>

James Anthony Coan passed away Sunday in Los Angeles. Jimmy had been quit ill
for several years. Jim was my right hand man for years and years, then upon my
retirement, the Competition Manager for Triumph. Hard working, smart and a
neat guy, my old pal Jim.

Never be beaten by equipment

From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Nov 26 11:04:49 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:04:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Front Sway Bar?
Message-ID: <583C8C40-9C8A-4F27-B600-8CE7444EC378@comcast.net>

http://s1162.beta.photobucket.com/user/levi3451/library/Spitfire%20Front%20Sway%20Bar

Can anyone tell me what brand of front sway bar this is? It came on  
the Spit I bought in September. I've googled for similar ones with no  
luck.

I'm going to have to make some adjustments to it as the front tires  
rub and one tire (brand new Hoosier) is now shot. I guess that's part  
of the surprises you get from DPOs. It's been fun sorting out a number  
of little things getting it ready for next spring but that one was an  
unwelcome hit. But at least it was found in the shop and not on the  
track. All the more reason to go completely through a race car before  
risking life and limb on someone else's work.

Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov 26 12:02:11 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:02:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <50B3BCB3.5070403@bradakis.com>

That is sad news.   Many years ago I talked to him on the phone regarding
the GT6 I had at the time, he was a nice guy, willing to put up with me 
for a
few minutes.

mjb.

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:02:46 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:02:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>

I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those
old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1
gear changing !    Wooo Hooo

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> recommendations from this great list.
>
>
> Bud Rolofson
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > know what the
> > consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
> > a TR6 and
> > regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
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> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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>
>
>


-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:58:10 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:58:10 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrGtEM724XL2Ek7FQ-p+LxEVr3LbjRobXMdCES8xFgP403S3g@mail.gmail.com>

I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.

Cheers
Chris
Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
> Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those
> old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1
> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> > 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> > recommendations from this great list.
> >
> >
> > Bud Rolofson
> >
> > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > > know what the
> > > consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
> > > a TR6 and
> > > regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> > >
> > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > >
> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov 26 15:16:36 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:16:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B55D5CC6-5A1C-487F-BAA1-65F816CADFB9@gdhs.com>

Robert.  How large did you enlarge the relief hole?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Robert Deanes <rfdeanes at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
> Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those
> old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1
> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
> 
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
>> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
>> recommendations from this great list.
>> 
>> 
>> Bud Rolofson
>> 
>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
>>> know what the
>>> consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
>>> a TR6 and
>>> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
>>> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>>> 
>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>> 
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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>>> Unsubscribe/Manage:
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
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>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
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> TR Racer
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Mon Nov 26 15:35:02 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:35:02 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>

Thanks for the response.  The more opinions I get the more I find there is not
a consensus.  In the early '90s when we got our TR3A I was reading the
Bentley's manual and I found the spot where they recommended the non detergent
30 weight oil.  I have several TRs and two of them use the A-Type OD and the
GT6 is, at this time, non OD.  I have an OD unit for it in the shop so that is
a future project.  When we got the GT6 the previous owner used MT90 and I
realized why.  Second gear, if rushed, barks on upshift not on down shift
which, to me, doesn't make sense.  Syncros, in my experience always barked on
down shift.  Any one that can enlighten me on this?  I was just looking for a
"one size fits all" solution.  The MT90 works good in the OD so at this time I
guess I'll continue to use it unless there is a compelling reason not to.
Thanks for all the responses and keep them coming!
Sam

On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Robert Deanes <rfdeanes at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those old
"A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1 gear
changing !    Wooo Hooo
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> recommendations from this great list.
>
>
> Bud Rolofson
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > know what the
> > consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
> > a TR6 and
> > regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe/Manage:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Mon Nov 26 15:51:22 2012
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
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I presume you don't run that in cold weather.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Christian Marx
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:58 PM
To: Robert Deanes
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; Sam; fot at autox.team.net; 6-pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube

I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.

Cheers
Chris
Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders 
> Dave Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love 
> those old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to
F1
> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> > 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of 
> > recommendations from this great list.
> >
> >
> > Bud Rolofson
> >
> > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly 
> > Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to 
> > > know what the consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running 
> > > an A-Type OD in a TR6 and regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is 
> > > suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> > >
> > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > >
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 15:53:10 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:10 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
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On every race event. I don't drive in snow with that car.
Am 26.11.2012 23:51 schrieb "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com
>:

> I presume you don't run that in cold weather.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Christian Marx
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:58 PM
> To: Robert Deanes
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; Sam; fot at autox.team.net;
> 6-pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
>
> I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:
>
> > I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders
> > Dave Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love
> > those old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get
> to
> F1
> > gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> > > 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> > > recommendations from this great list.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bud Rolofson
> > >
> > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> > > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> > > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> > > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly
> > > Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > > > know what the consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running
> > > > an A-Type OD in a TR6 and regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is
> > > > suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > > > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> > > >
> > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > > >
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> > >
> >
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 16:08:48 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:08:48 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
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As for race cars they are getting glowing hot in a race.  Thick oil does
protect the components I guess.

Cheers
Chris

From vangoughv at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 26 17:22:38 2012
From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:22:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
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I'm using 90 gear lube in both my 70 GT6's.  Street car is with OD, race car
straight 4sp.   The race cars synchro is causing problems on gearing down from
3rd to 2nd so I'll be rebuilding my spare this winter.   I ran 30 non
detergent in my original GT6 Mk1 as a kid with no problems.


Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-26, at 6:03 PM, "Sam" <trdoctor at aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the response.  The more opinions I get the more I find there is
not
> a consensus.  In the early '90s when we got our TR3A I was reading the
> Bentley's manual and I found the spot where they recommended the non
detergent
> 30 weight oil.  I have several TRs and two of them use the A-Type OD and
the
> GT6 is, at this time, non OD.  I have an OD unit for it in the shop so that
is
> a future project.  When we got the GT6 the previous owner used MT90 and I
> realized why.  Second gear, if rushed, barks on upshift not on down shift
> which, to me, doesn't make sense.  Syncros, in my experience always barked
on
> down shift.  Any one that can enlighten me on this?  I was just looking for
a
> "one size fits all" solution.  The MT90 works good in the OD so at this time
I
> guess I'll continue to use it unless there is a compelling reason not to.
> Thanks for all the responses and keep them coming!
> Sam
>
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Robert Deanes <rfdeanes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders
Dave
> Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those old
> "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1 gear
> changing !    Wooo Hooo
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
wrote:
>> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
>> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
>> recommendations from this great list.
>>
>>
>> Bud Rolofson
>>
>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
>>> know what the
>>> consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
>>> a TR6 and
>>> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
>>> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>>>
>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>>
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> TR Racer
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov 26 17:35:12 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:35:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
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	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <D0A49251-4EAC-4F10-BD47-EE3A7787B9FD@gdhs.com>

Chris. Viscosity is not a function of "thickness"  Transmission oils must have
the ability of resisting the shearing  action of the gears, not just
thickness. Whether the planetary gears in an A OD require this shearing
protection I don't know; but we use transmission lube in ours

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 26, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> As for race cars they are getting glowing hot in a race.  Thick oil does
> protect the components I guess.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Nov 26 17:49:48 2012
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:49:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Front Sway Bar?
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Maybe Speedway Engineering?



-----Original Message-----
From: Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net List <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 10:19 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Front Sway Bar?


http://s1162.beta.photobucket.com/user/levi3451/library/Spitfire%20Front%20Sw
ay%20Bar
Can anyone tell me what brand of front sway bar this is? It came on
he Spit I bought in September. I've googled for similar ones with no
uck.
I'm going to have to make some adjustments to it as the front tires
ub and one tire (brand new Hoosier) is now shot. I guess that's part
f the surprises you get from DPOs. It's been fun sorting out a number
f little things getting it ready for next spring but that one was an
nwelcome hit. But at least it was found in the shop and not on the
rack. All the more reason to go completely through a race car before
isking life and limb on someone else's work.
Bud Rolofson
71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
1 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
6TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
1F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 26 17:57:25 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:57:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
Message-ID: <8CF9A514C7A308E-7EC-1C26D@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from new
billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON seal
and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Nov 26 18:38:11 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:38:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
In-Reply-To: <8CF9A514C7A308E-7EC-1C26D@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.12.1353980839.32080.fot@autox.team.net>

I can't remember the last time the cost of anything went down.
Thanks Chris & Joe, the seals work great.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Alexander
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:57 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from
new
billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON
seal
and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 26 18:59:02 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:59:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
Message-ID: <8CF9A59E81FDB4E-7EC-1C6DF@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>

Not to beat that drum too loudly, but the VITON SEAL project has been largely
a pro bono effort to this point.

Kas, Chris, et. al. put a lot of thought into this project.

There is one chapter in KAS' latest book regarding 'avoiding oil leaks' in the
wet liner engines.

Worth the price of admission, by itself.  KAS KASTNER'S TRIUMPHS   Still
available for the moment.





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: 'Joe Alexander' <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 7:47 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more


I can't remember the last time the cost of anything went down.
Thanks Chris & Joe, the seals work great.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Alexander
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:57 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from
new
billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON
seal
and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 26 19:47:06 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:47:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] thanks for the John Clancy orders     www.triumphdvd.co.uk
Message-ID: <8CF9A609F54308E-7EC-1C9EA@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

SUBJECT:  The ultimate Kas Kastner Interview

By noon tomorrow, I will place another bulk order for California Air and other
two other Titles.

They should be here in about 10 days.

I have a few CALIFORNIA AIR on the shelf, right now.

Look at  www.triumphdvd.co.uk    and let me know of any more wanted.

Thanks.......



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 23:22:57 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:22:57 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <D0A49251-4EAC-4F10-BD47-EE3A7787B9FD@gdhs.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
	<CAPrGtEMydVNZ5C90CBC02BhxKOn0YzYEJU2nb6J9+7sAh4C5Tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0A49251-4EAC-4F10-BD47-EE3A7787B9FD@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrGtEOyt-FS=TcorCbSMBorHOgTCK583bduu4c46SzC1hhSyg@mail.gmail.com>

Very true John!
That's why I use EP GL 4 oil for gear protection and high viscosity for a
good lubrication at extreme temperatures.
The main disadvantage with engine oil is that it has no foam resistantce.

Cheers
Chris
Am 27.11.2012 01:35 schrieb "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>:

> Chris. Viscosity is not a function of "thickness"  Transmission oils must
> have the ability of resisting the shearing  action of the gears, not just
> thickness. Whether the planetary gears in an A OD require this shearing
> protection I don't know; but we use transmission lube in ours
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > As for race cars they are getting glowing hot in a race.  Thick oil does
> > protect the components I guess.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 27 06:51:59 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:51:59 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
In-Reply-To: <8CF9A59E81FDB4E-7EC-1C6DF@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CF9A59E81FDB4E-7EC-1C6DF@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cdcca6$60edd850$22c988f0$@com>

The reason for the new housings was much wear of most of the stock parts had
over the years of use.

I reworked them for a while but 70 percent are worn (from offset mounting)
and I returned them without any change.
That caused delay for the customer so the way to go was with new parts. New
stays true.

The best thing, with changing the manufacturer and more parts made the
prices dropped a little and the availability is much better now.
I can keep a little stock of parts  to react faster than before when I made
the parts to order.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Joe Alexander
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. November 2012 02:59
An: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

Not to beat that drum too loudly, but the VITON SEAL project has been
largely a pro bono effort to this point.

Kas, Chris, et. al. put a lot of thought into this project.

There is one chapter in KAS' latest book regarding 'avoiding oil leaks' in
the wet liner engines.

Worth the price of admission, by itself.  KAS KASTNER'S TRIUMPHS   Still
available for the moment.





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: 'Joe Alexander' <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 7:47 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more


I can't remember the last time the cost of anything went down.
Thanks Chris & Joe, the seals work great.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Alexander
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:57 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from
new billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON
seal and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
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From clw2000 at msn.com  Tue Nov 27 12:54:28 2012
From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:54:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
Message-ID: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>

Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
questions:

- Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
- I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
safety, or what?
- Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
- Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.

Thanks in advance from South Carolina....

Thanks,

Chuck Watson


Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC

From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Nov 27 13:15:55 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:15:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAPrGtEOfPSkqoD3=6J7-_2-8c5bxmMKKtB+EZnxP=1Vc94Q56Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<000301cdcc28$8ed515e0$ac7f41a0$@rr.com>
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Message-ID: <50B51F7B.7070700@pobox.com>

Engine oils and gear oils or measured on a different temperature basis.  
Engine oils at 212 and gear oils or at 150 I believe.  So, SAE 30 engine 
oil will have much higher viscosity at 150 degrees, You'd have to know 
the viscosity index information to compare them directly.
Larry

On 11/26/2012 4:53 PM, Christian Marx wrote:
> On every race event. I don't drive in snow with that car.
> Am 26.11.2012 23:51 schrieb "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com
>> :
>> I presume you don't run that in cold weather.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Christian Marx
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:58 PM
>> To: Robert Deanes
>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; Sam; fot at autox.team.net;
>> 6-pack at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
>>
>> I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>> Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders
>>> Dave Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love
>>> those old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get
>> to
>> F1
>>> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
>>>> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
>>>> recommendations from this great list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bud Rolofson
>>>>
>>>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>>>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>>>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
>>>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly
>>>> Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
>>>>> know what the consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running
>>>>> an A-Type OD in a TR6 and regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is
>>>>> suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
>>>>> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>>>>>
>>>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>>>>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 27 13:35:56 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:35:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.13.1354048541.32080.fot@autox.team.net>

Dropping it below the trunk floor is done for weight distribution.
I THINK the soft rubber is safer than the hard plastic, but am less 
confident in that answer.

The stock gas cap opens too easily so needs to be wired shut if 
used.  If you connect to a remote fill, you need to use fire and 
impact resistant plumbing.  There's a video of a Miata (I think) 
going up in flames because the fill line for the fuel tank broke / 
melted.  Very scary.  It's best to just use the cap on top of the 
tank and avoid any possible issues with impact / fire related to a remote fill.

Tony

At 01:54 PM 11/27/2012, Charles WATSON wrote:
>Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
>questions:
>
>- Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
>- I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
>exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
>safety, or what?
>- Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
>- Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
>Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
>
>Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chuck Watson
>
>
>Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
>Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Tue Nov 27 13:38:23 2012
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:38:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1F0B61AA-C282-4B33-9BD8-CEA372DA9704@charter.net>

I would rather have a tightly sealed fuel cell instead of having gasoline
being able to exit out of that wimpy but beautiful spring loaded cap. I still
have mine on the gT6 even though there is nothing attached to it. I do not
think most sanctioning bodies would allow you to use it anyway.

On Nov 27, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Charles WATSON wrote:

> Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a
few
> questions:
>
> - Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
> - I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the
floor,
> exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
> safety, or what?
> - Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
> - Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler
location?
> Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
>
> Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck Watson
>
>
> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov 27 14:33:29 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:33:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <44C89C83-CCBA-4964-A1E6-EEFD7CD1432A@me.com>

I personally like the all aluminum Fuel Safe cell in my GT6 better than the steel ATL in my Tr4. Just replaced the ATL because, in part, the box had rusted.  Better fitting cap on the FS too.  I recall that SVRA regs don't allow the use of the remote filler on the GT6 but you have to keep it for appearance' sake.

Sent from my mobile device 

On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Charles WATSON <clw2000 at msn.com> wrote:

> Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
> questions:
> 
> - Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
> - I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
> exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
> safety, or what?
> - Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
> - Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
> Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
> 
> Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck Watson
> 
> 
> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 27 20:36:23 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:36:23 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
Message-ID: <17917484.1354073783592.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have the ATL "Sports Series" and bought a few upgrades including the aluminum box and the fancy dipstick.  Don't get the dipstick.  It's black hard plastic and when you pull it out, the fuel has already evaporated and you can't see the level!  I would suggest an 8 gallon tank so that you have a little room in the trunk around the tank.  In my TR3, the spare tire compartment was cut out to allow the cell to sit down in there, nice and low.

One of the fittings on the top of the cell is for a vent tube.  The tubing should arc up and then down to the underside of the car so that it can suck air to replace the fuel that is being consumed.  If the car were to roll, this tube would then be right-side up and not pour gas.

I am happy with the ATL and the folks there were helpful over the phone.

Another good recommendation, while you have the tank out, is to weld in a little "intrusion bar" to protect the tank in case you get hit from behind.

~Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
>Sent: Nov 27, 2012 1:33 PM
>To: Charles WATSON <clw2000 at msn.com>
>Cc: FOT List <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
>
>I personally like the all aluminum Fuel Safe cell in my GT6 better than the steel ATL in my Tr4. Just replaced the ATL because, in part, the box had rusted.  Better fitting cap on the FS too.  I recall that SVRA regs don't allow the use of the remote filler on the GT6 but you have to keep it for appearance' sake.
>
>Sent from my mobile device 
>
>On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Charles WATSON <clw2000 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
>> questions:
>> 
>> - Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
>> - I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
>> exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
>> safety, or what?
>> - Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
>> - Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
>> Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck Watson
>> 
>> 
>> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
>> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Tue Nov 27 21:25:01 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:25:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Subject:  Sad News
Message-ID: <ed1.6a3aff11.3de6ec1d@aol.com>

He was quite a fine fellow and will be missed.  I learned many  things from 
him when his office was in the Brisbane, CA  BL Depot and I  visited 
frequently. 
 
Hardy
 
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
To: fot  <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
Message-ID:  <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"

James Anthony Coan passed away Sunday in Los Angeles.  Jimmy had been quit 
ill
for several years. Jim was my right hand man for  years and years, then 
upon my
retirement, the Competition Manager for  Triumph. Hard working, smart and a
neat guy, my old pal  Jim.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 07:02:47 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:02:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013
Message-ID: <8CF9B882DF79D85-1E00-24E10@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

Reservations are going well at the Osthoff.

For you that asked about reserving rooms on line at the www.osthoff.com
website:  Code is   "FRIEND"

Otherwise, mention "FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH" when calling in, to get your
discounted rooms and suites.

Make your reservations early...they will work with us to add rooms beyond the
current FOT contract, but no guarantee that what you want will be available.

The smart money is on 2 and 3 bedroom suites by getting friends together and
sharing the costs. Amenities abound with the suites.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 08:00:55 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:00:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] FAQ  KCUP 2013
In-Reply-To: <09AE8584-6335-4F60-AA18-F79460D5E835@me.com>
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	<09AE8584-6335-4F60-AA18-F79460D5E835@me.com>
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 For information:

vscda.com
roadamerica.com
osthoff.com
fot-racing.com

the FOT website will be updated in the future.

Once again, all Triumphs and TRIUMPH POWERED racecars will be considered as
entrants....just ask.  But treaded tires only.

You can make initial REQUEST FOR ENTRY to me. Not all cars will be eligible
for the KASTNER CUP.





-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 8:18 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013


the FOT site is out of date as to when/where the 2013 event is.  What's the
date?

From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 09:31:06 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:31:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] FAQ KCUP 2013
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correction on vscda.

It is .org not .com

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

>  For information:
>
> vscda.com
> roadamerica.com
> osthoff.com
> fot-racing.com
>
> the FOT website will be updated in the future.
>
> Once again, all Triumphs and TRIUMPH POWERED racecars will be considered as
> entrants....just ask.  But treaded tires only.
>
> You can make initial REQUEST FOR ENTRY to me. Not all cars will be eligible
> for the KASTNER CUP.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 8:18 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013
>
>
> the FOT site is out of date as to when/where the 2013 event is.  What's the
> date?
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 09:40:27 2012
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:40:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  FAQ KCUP 2013-----correction   vscda.org
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> correction on vscda.
>  
> It is .org not .com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------
> Exactly....thanks for the correction, Mr. Arnold. &  Mr. Korey</HTML>
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correction on vscda.

It is .org not .com

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

>  For information:
>
> vscda.com
> roadamerica.com
> osthoff.com
> fot-racing.com
>
> the FOT website will be updated in the future.
>
> Once again, all Triumphs and TRIUMPH POWERED racecars will be considered as
> entrants....just ask.  But treaded tires only.
>
> You can make initial REQUEST FOR ENTRY to me. Not all cars will be eligible
> for the KASTNER CUP.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 8:18 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013
>
>
> the FOT site is out of date as to when/where the 2013 event is.  What's the
> date?
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Nov 28 11:09:59 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:09:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot]  Fuel Cell Questions
Message-ID: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>

Hey, Hey, I got the dipstick too and I love it! And it gets hot in Kansas
too. Yes, on  some days the fuel evaporates quickly, so look quicker. :-)
Okay, so sometimes I check it 2-3 times to be confident I have a good
reading. Still beats guessing.

I got the 8-gal Sport Cell too, for my Spitfire. I had ATL put the dipstick
hole in the aluminum box. Only problem was, they didn't put a hole in the
foam inside, so when I got it I had to dismantle it, pull the foam out, and
make a hole. LOL  Not like that was any big deal. And I'll second the notion
that the ATL folks were very helpful.

I found if you take a blade and score the dipstick in about 1" increments,
each inch is just about a gallon.

I also got mine with double duckfoot pickups inside the cell, one goes to
each rear corner and each feeds its own fuel pump (Holley Red, which then go
to a tee, and then the line to the carbs). Never a problem with fuel
starvation in the turns. Holley Red pumps about 7 psi, I have a Holley
regulator up front to cut the flow to 2.5 psi to the carbs. I have a
no-tools test port tight by the tee.

And yes, I also put the vent tube in the same way Steve described. One thing
I learned is don't put 8 gallons in the 8-gallon cell. It'll overflow out
that vent tube and sometimes corner workers get all excited that you're
"leaking." To forestall that somewhat I also created a "fuel surge
attenuator" to attach to the vent tube -- I cut a finger off a cloth work
glove and wired it to the end of the tube. :-D  A seven gallon fill will get
you as far as you need to go.

I had my favorite body shop create me a cradle out of angle iron to mount
it. It hangs from the inner side plates since it's cut through the floor,
and a tailpipe bracket is welded to the bottom of the cradle (no it doesn't
get hot).

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions


>I have the ATL "Sports Series" and bought a few upgrades including the 
>aluminum box and the fancy dipstick.  Don't get the dipstick.  It's black 
>hard plastic and when you pull it out, the fuel has already evaporated and 
>you can't see the level!  I would suggest an 8 gallon tank so that you have 
>a little room in the trunk around the tank.  In my TR3, the spare tire 
>compartment was cut out to allow the cell to sit down in there, nice and 
>low.
>
> One of the fittings on the top of the cell is for a vent tube.  The tubing 
> should arc up and then down to the underside of the car so that it can 
> suck air to replace the fuel that is being consumed.  If the car were to 
> roll, this tube would then be right-side up and not pour gas.
>
> I am happy with the ATL and the folks there were helpful over the phone.
>
> Another good recommendation, while you have the tank out, is to weld in a 
> little "intrusion bar" to protect the tank in case you get hit from 
> behind.
>
> ~Steve

From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Nov 28 13:23:01 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:23:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1354129203.3410.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.10.1354129203.3410.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF782F493A.694A8F6E-ON85257AC4.006FBAA9-85257AC4.007001C1@us.ibm.com>

I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel gauge I
have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, I can
guess the rest).

Picture here
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg

G. Michael Harmuth
63 spit

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Nov 28 13:58:30 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
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Message-ID: <8E74A33A75724FC2AE56BD5153291DAC@gdhs.local>

We use an old broom stick 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel gauge I
have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, I can
guess the rest).

Picture here
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg

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From clw2000 at msn.com  Wed Nov 28 14:12:51 2012
From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:12:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42 - Fuel Cell
In-Reply-To: <OF782F493A.694A8F6E-ON85257AC4.006FBAA9-85257AC4.007001C1@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.10.1354129203.3410.fot@autox.team.net>,
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Thanks to everyone for all the fuel cell pointers.   I went with a 10 gallon
unit from ATL as the weight difference was not all that much more than the 8
gal. but the shape kept it close to the center of the car.  It has the dual
duck-flap intakes and I opted for the aluminum body as it will be exposed to
the elements.  Both the hard rubber bladder and the fabric bladder meet the
same FIA specs and the tech guy at ATL did not recommend one over the other
based on safety alone.  The differences are primarily fuel capability and
weight for that choice.  Best price I found was racerpartswholesale, but if a
steel unit was wanted, the 24hoursoflemons site was by far the best.

Thanks,

Chuck Watson











> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:23:01 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
>
> I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel gauge I
> have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, I can
> guess the rest).
>
> Picture here
> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
> 63 spit
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From vangoughv at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:21:53 2012
From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:21:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
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I use the 8gal ATL SPORTSMAN Cell, no remote fuel setup and a notched dowel as
a level dip stick

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-28, at 3:59 PM, "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> We use an old broom stick
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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> I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel gauge I
> have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, I can
> guess the rest).
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> Picture here
> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Nov 28 15:57:48 2012
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:57:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
Message-ID: <2d81f9df.7e7e8.13b493d8d89.Webtop.13@optonline.net>

To All:

Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;

1. Low in the trunk/spare wheel well for the center of gravity but 
causing some what of a pendelum effect by having extra weight hanging 
out the back
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car

Thanks
Todd Redmond
'58 TR3A




On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Vince G wrote:

> I use the 8gal ATL SPORTSMAN Cell, no remote fuel setup and a notched 
> dowel as
> a level dip stick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2012-11-28, at 3:59 PM, "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>
>> We use an old broom stick
>>
>>
>> John H. Hasty
>> Attorney At Law
>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>> 719 East Boulevard
>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
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>> I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel 
>> gauge I
>> have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, 
>> I can
>> guess the rest).
>>
>> Picture here
>> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Nov 28 16:24:45 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:24:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
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Make sure that the fuel outlet is at the back rather than one of the sides.
Fuel sloshed to one side during a hard turn in a lower fuel condition will
cause fuel starvation.  

(Ask how I know this!)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Todd Redmond
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To: vangoughv at hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42

To All:

Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;

1. Low in the trunk/spare wheel well for the center of gravity but 
causing some what of a pendelum effect by having extra weight hanging 
out the back
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car

Thanks
Todd Redmond
'58 TR3A




On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Vince G wrote:

> I use the 8gal ATL SPORTSMAN Cell, no remote fuel setup and a notched 
> dowel as
> a level dip stick
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>> We use an old broom stick
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>> I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel 
>> gauge I
>> have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, 
>> I can
>> guess the rest).
>>
>> Picture here
>> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg
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From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Nov 28 17:39:44 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:39:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
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On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>wrote:

"Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car"

At least in the GT6 the 2nd option is out... as you need to access the
studs and nuts from above the axle for differential install and removal.
There is lots of weight up front in our coupes. By virtue of balance more
than anything, farthest back and low is our best bet.
While we are getting creative...There is always that old NASCAR trick
(maybe Smokey Yunick Sp?) where you use the roll bar tubes for one giant
scary secret gas tank. or tubular Bomb...

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 18:02:52 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:02:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
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	<CALCydYpeUUCijqTf6Ke5_879SE5JKtYOywrTtc7AicDDsJHbNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CF9BE46456B287-1E00-2A567@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com>

YES, Smokey Yunick.   He told us that at Mid-Ohio.

He couldnt hear any questions, so someone had to relay questions into his
ear.





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
To: Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>; harmug
<harmug at us.ibm.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>wrote:

"Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car"

At least in the GT6 the 2nd option is out... as you need to access the
studs and nuts from above the axle for differential install and removal.
There is lots of weight up front in our coupes. By virtue of balance more
than anything, farthest back and low is our best bet.
While we are getting creative...There is always that old NASCAR trick
(maybe Smokey Yunick Sp?) where you use the roll bar tubes for one giant
scary secret gas tank. or tubular Bomb...

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 28 20:42:33 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:42:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>

 On the subject of vents. We autocross the spitfire some also and the hard
jolts back and forth would tend to slosh gas out the vent tube even when we
ran it up and looped it a couple of times. Since it exited the trunk floor
near the exhaust it was not a good combination. We fabbed up a small catch can
roughly 4x4x4 and mounted it on the floor of the trunk. The vent tube ran from
the cell to the top of the catch can. A second vent tube came out of the top
of the catch can and exited through the floor of the trunk. The bottom of
catch can has a petcock that also goes out the floor of the trunk that is used
to drain off any gas at an appropriate time. That did the trick for us.

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Nov 28 21:05:02 2012
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:05:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <50B6DEEE.8060502@comcast.net>

I'm using an 8 gallon Fuel Safe cell.  Never had a problem with overflow 
in the vent tube, but then I only run about 4-5 gallons max.  The vent 
hose is one of the clear plastic, nylon braided hoses available from 
Home Depot.  I attached it to an Aeroquip fitting and it works fine.  I 
got a small in-line plastic check valve from Pegasus I think and shoved 
it into the hose a couple of inches. Allows air in and no fuel out.  
Photos available on request.

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From mdporter at dfn.com  Wed Nov 28 21:24:42 2012
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:24:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
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On 11/28/2012 8:42 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>   On the subject of vents. We autocross the spitfire some also and the hard
> jolts back and forth would tend to slosh gas out the vent tube even when we
> ran it up and looped it a couple of times. Since it exited the trunk floor
> near the exhaust it was not a good combination.

This would seem to be a perfect application for a vacuum break check 
valve.  There are fuel-proof check valves of this type available, and in 
operation, they are normally closed until there is a differential 
between atmosphere and the tank interior, then open just long enough to 
equalize pressures.  One of those installed before the loop in the vent 
tube would effectively end the problem of fuel sloshing out.

Maybe something like this:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#spring-check-valves/=kda0b8

A differential of a third of a psi to open would probably be negligible 
as far as fuel delivery goes, and it's doubtful sloshed fuel in a 
vertical pipe would cause it to open.  The oil- and diesel-proof valve 
might not last quite as long when used with gasoline, but, they're 
pretty cheap compared to the cost of the fuel cell--or the cost of 
hauling to an event and then getting black-flagged for leaking fuel.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Nov 28 22:24:43 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:24:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0703412942B1461BBD1D0A0ED42349A4@Vista>

I just attached a hose to the vent  and ran it high enough that any slosh
would be contained and drain back to the tank.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marty sukey
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:43 PM
To: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions

 On the subject of vents. We autocross the spitfire some also and the hard
jolts back and forth would tend to slosh gas out the vent tube even when we
ran it up and looped it a couple of times. Since it exited the trunk floor
near the exhaust it was not a good combination. We fabbed up a small catch
can
roughly 4x4x4 and mounted it on the floor of the trunk. The vent tube ran
from
the cell to the top of the catch can. A second vent tube came out of the top
of the catch can and exited through the floor of the trunk. The bottom of
catch can has a petcock that also goes out the floor of the trunk that is
used
to drain off any gas at an appropriate time. That did the trick for us.
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Wed Nov 28 22:29:08 2012
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 00:29:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] fuel cells
Message-ID: <41FED569899943C0ACF03EE1346A517D@hpd530>

Hi Gang,
All this talk of fuel cells reminds me of the time I was going through Tech.
The inspector asked what the object was that was nestled under the fuel cell
holddown straps.
I replied that it was an analog fuel level indicator system.
Inspector laughed.
Object is more commonly known as a wooded ruler.
A little humor never hurts!
Cheers, Bill
PS, I use an ATL 15 gallon cell. It's what came with the car. It fits in the
trunk nicely.
PPS, go see "Lincoln" Great movie.

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 29 06:59:06 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <0703412942B1461BBD1D0A0ED42349A4@Vista>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>,
	<0703412942B1461BBD1D0A0ED42349A4@Vista>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W21DCFE7EEA56034981EBA0BA5C0@phx.gbl>

 I received a few words of advice on my "situation", thanks much they are
appreciated. Let me add....  The fuel sloshing out condition showed up when I
first got the car. I checked and it did have a check valve. I took it out and
there did not really appear that there was any way for it to not function, at
least visually so I re-installed it.  Originally the vent went to the top of
the inner fender and then straight down, no loop.  I do not remember how much
gas I had in the cell, maybe I just had it to full.  Anyway, I really really
didn't like the gas coming out onto the exhaust so the catch can was installed
as a redundant system as well as adding a loop in the vent tank.  Since I have
put in this so called fix I honestly cannot remember ever draining any gas out
of the catch can after a event.  So maybe it was a big waste of time but it
made me more at ease never having to be wondering if gas might be possibly
splashing out when I am at  the wheel.  And heaven knows, I need lots less to
worry about when I am behind the wheel!  :)

Marty

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Nov 29 08:01:14 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:01:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211290955270.18098@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

My fuel cell has a "check valve" in the vent tube, so positive pressure 
from fuel in the vent closes the valve and there's no spilling. Ever. I'm 
pretty sure that the check valve is required in road racing "in case of a 
rollover". That seemed like a good idea to me at the time.

I'm pretty sure I have the 8 gallon Fuel Safe cell (aluminum case, kevlar 
bladder and foam with the internal surge can and pickups in both front 
corners. It works great. Actually, I'm thinking about replacing the foam 
as it is now 14 years old. But I also use nothing but 110 leaded race 
fuel, so there's no degredation on the fuel lines or anything.

regards,
rml
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 29 08:11:06 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:11:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] The first TR6 FRONT FENDER REPAIR PANEL.....
Message-ID: <8CF9C5AE3B06CB9-814-31881@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>

 ......was produced yesterday.   Lower Fender 'rust' panel at rocker.

If anyone is interested in seeing a picture, contact me.

The TR4 Panel is in production....The TR6 production will be available in a
couple of weeks when the CAD files are completed and laser blanking can
start..

Regards,



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Nov 30 09:19:12 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:19:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] fuel cells
In-Reply-To: <41FED569899943C0ACF03EE1346A517D@hpd530>
References: <41FED569899943C0ACF03EE1346A517D@hpd530>
Message-ID: <50B8DC80.8040903@pobox.com>

I always used a Model T gas gauge.  I purpose made wooden stick with 
graduations for the type of tank.  Unfortunately, no scale for my fuel cell.
Larry

On 11/28/2012 11:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote:
> Hi Gang,
> All this talk of fuel cells reminds me of the time I was going through Tech.
> The inspector asked what the object was that was nestled under the fuel cell
> holddown straps.
> I replied that it was an analog fuel level indicator system.
> Inspector laughed.
> Object is more commonly known as a wooded ruler.
> A little humor never hurts!
> Cheers, Bill
> PS, I use an ATL 15 gallon cell. It's what came with the car. It fits in the
> trunk nicely.
> PPS, go see "Lincoln" Great movie.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Nov 30 21:45:37 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:45:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FWD: Piston needed
Message-ID: <50B98B71.1090403@bradakis.com>

To send mail to fot at autox.team.net  you send mail to fot at autox.team.net.

mjb.

Subject:
tr 3/4 piston(s)
From:
KENMUN at aol.com
Date:
11/30/2012 11:03 AM




i need a 87mm piston, will consider a set. thanks. ken m. tr 3 vintage racer

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  1 06:23:01 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 05:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <CED64F81-DEF5-43AD-BB46-EFB1B42E6413@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1351772581.67142.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Tom! He was quite a man. I thought he was with the Cunningham team in "55; interesting to see he was paired with Leveigh in the A/H which "caused" the crash. Phil Wallters (AKA Ted Tappet; I'm showing my roots :O)) was with Cunningham, and refused to ever race again after the '55 LeMans. As a side note...I believe Walters had also been a P-51 pilot over Germany. Birds of a feather.
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 10/31/12, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:


From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:37 PM


FYI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fitch_(racing_driver)


On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:54 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:

> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed away this morning.
> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters during the big crash in '55.
> RIP
> -Ed-
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  1 06:30:16 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 05:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
In-Reply-To: <20121101042441.F2DE52D0682@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1351773016.18961.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Head South Jason! We, CVAR have a race the weekend at TWS. I beleive there is another group running in Savannah this weekend too. I'm sure even vampires migrate.
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 10/31/12, jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:


From: jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:36 PM


An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I drain the fluid from my beloved GT6. 
Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of life, to get through the long cold wInter?
Happy Halloween.
FRIENDLY GHOST RACING
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From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 06:41:10 2012
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 05:41:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
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     I had the opportunity to meet John Fitch at Elkhart Lake a few years ago.
What pleasant person to talk to. He signed my Aug. Elkhart Lake  road race
program,which he won
the big bore class in a Cunningham. The racing community
has lost a true hero. My thoughts and prays go out to him and his family.
   
 
     John Wagner (just the wrench)  


----- Original Message -----
From:
EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch

The FOT
has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals in Galveston
Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed away this morning.
With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car
driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters during
the big crash in '55.
RIP
-Ed-
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:00:18 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:00:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
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Great article on John here:

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20121031/ALMS/121019873 


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E) for sale, 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner KC 5577 L
www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos
"Reality, it's not what you think." 


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:01:03 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:01:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
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That makes me feel good about living down south, it is alittle cold now but
ower season is yet to be over. We still have a few events left before the
end of the year. Hate cold weather !

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:36 PM, <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:

> An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
> Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
> Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep
> (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor
> unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I
> drain the fluid from my beloved GT6.
> Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of
> life, to get through the long cold wInter?
> Happy Halloween.
> FRIENDLY GHOST RACING
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:33:04 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:33:04 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
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After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says: 
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
Chris


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:42:25 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:42:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
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yes, this week and weekend is the Hilton Head Island Motoring Festival,
four or five days of car related events with racing included with HSR,
Concours d' Elegance car show which I hear is top of the line, car jamboree
and other events on different days. The race track is right by the water on
an old track that has been restored to some degree, I personally haven't
run this but looking at it for next year as a week to "get away" and
relax.I think it is one of the "small bore" challege events sponsered by
Classic Motor sports magazine.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:30 AM, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>wrote:

> Head South Jason! We, CVAR have a race the weekend at TWS. I beleive there
> is another group running in Savannah this weekend too. I'm sure even
> vampires migrate.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
> To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:36 PM
>
>
> An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
> Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
> Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep
> (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor
> unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I
> drain the fluid from my beloved GT6.
> Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of
> life, to get through the long cold wInter?
> Happy Halloween.
> FRIENDLY GHOST RACING
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Nov  1 08:22:13 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:22:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
Message-ID: <6329.d1450ff.3dc3df94@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/31/2012 9:27:57 PM Central Standard Time, 
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:


> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals 
> in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed 
> away this morning. 
> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car 
> driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters 
> during the big crash in '55.
> 

Amen to that.  One of the classic 'gentlemen racers' of the early days of 
road racing here in the United States.

Bill Dentinger


From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Nov  1 08:27:49 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:27:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
Message-ID: <65ee.25fc3df0.3dc3e0e5@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/01/2012 7:22:29 AM Central Standard Time, 
j.wags63 at yahoo.com writes:


> John Wagner (just the wrench)  
> 

(just the wrench)?  Right!  And Lombardi was (just the coach).  Or better 
still...Kastner was (just the wrench).

Bill Dentinger


From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 08:41:40 2012
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:41:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
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Hi all, I just checked my copy of "LeMans 55" and think there is a little 
confusion.
Levegh/Fitch shared a Mersedes 300SLR, which LeVegh crashed when he hit the 
Austin-Healey 100S of Macklin/Leston, Macklin driving, which had to swerve 
to avoid the D Type Jaguar of Hawthorne/Bueb, Hawthorne driving, which had 
made a sudden move to pit.
A lot of people blame Hawthorne for the crash, fault Mercedes for not 
withdrawing until 12 or more hours later, and the race organizers for not 
halting the race.
Terrible crash and aftermath.
Further reading shows Phil Walters in  D-type Jag with Bill Spear. Also 
Briggs and Sherwood Johnson in a Cunningham C-6R. Also three TR2's entered.

How did everyone fare with the hurricane? Safe and sound, we hope. We had 
high winds and lots of rain here, but no major problems.
Cheers, Bill----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "Tom Householder" <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch


> Thanks Tom! He was quite a man. I thought he was with the Cunningham team 
> in "55; interesting to see he was paired with Leveigh in the A/H which 
> "caused" the crash. Phil Wallters (AKA Ted Tappet; I'm showing my roots 
> :O)) was with Cunningham, and refused to ever race again after the '55 
> LeMans. As a side note...I believe Walters had also been a P-51 pilot over 
> Germany. Birds of a feather.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
> To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:37 PM
>
>
> FYI
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fitch_(racing_driver)
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:54 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
>
>> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals 
>> in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed 
>> away this morning.
>> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car 
>> driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters 
>> during the big crash in '55.
>> RIP
>> -Ed-
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 10:04:26 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
Message-ID: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, all.    I was very sorry to hear about the passing of Jon Fitch. He was
not only a great driver, pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years
back I had the pleasure to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in
Watkins Glen . I was honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch,
Bob Lutz, and Bill Millican at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event
is called "Legends Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his
wife was a quite a nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed

 
Ed Diehl


From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 10:43:21 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:43:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
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I keep mine live all winter and give it a start weekly -- keeps the
injectors and pump working.
On Nov 1, 2012 6:21 AM, "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:

> Head South Jason! We, CVAR have a race the weekend at TWS. I beleive there
> is another group running in Savannah this weekend too. I'm sure even
> vampires migrate.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
> To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:36 PM
>
>
> An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
> Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
> Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep
> (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor
> unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I
> drain the fluid from my beloved GT6.
> Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of
> life, to get through the long cold wInter?
> Happy Halloween.
> FRIENDLY GHOST RACING
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Nov  1 11:45:52 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:45:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
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Chris: 
	Does the FIA have such a hold on the race tracks in Europe that they
won't let a club race at the track unless the club is FIA sanctioned?   


John H. Hasty
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Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says: 
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov  1 12:13:22 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 19:13:22 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
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It is a chain dependence.
The tracks have insurances. The insurance says, "I take the risk but are you
FIA homologated?"
If the track says "yes" FIA is in the game. If the track says "no", no
insurance.

The trouble starts if a racing series is doing more than 1 race outside of
its country.
For example:
The TC is German, and we are doing 5 races elsewhere, France, Belgium,
Netherlands, England, Luxemburg, then we are treated as an international
racing series...even if we are small group with no sponsors.

Europe is scattered in small territories you know regardless of the European
idea.

You now can ask - why do you race foreign?

Answer: Too many great tracks there are in Europe and it would be shame not
to race on them.

I have a "have to race" list, and there too many tracks not marked off.

Cheers
Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. November 2012 18:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'triumph friends'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

Chris:
	Does the FIA have such a hold on the race tracks in Europe that they
won't let a club race at the track unless the club is FIA sanctioned?


John H. Hasty
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Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says:
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
Chris
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Nov  1 12:19:23 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:19:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
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Good Lord, thank goodness it's not like there over here.  If it were we
would all be in the clutches of the France family.


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From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:13 PM
To: 'john hasty'; 'triumph friends'
Subject: AW: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

It is a chain dependence.
The tracks have insurances. The insurance says, "I take the risk but are you
FIA homologated?"
If the track says "yes" FIA is in the game. If the track says "no", no
insurance.

The trouble starts if a racing series is doing more than 1 race outside of
its country.
For example:
The TC is German, and we are doing 5 races elsewhere, France, Belgium,
Netherlands, England, Luxemburg, then we are treated as an international
racing series...even if we are small group with no sponsors.

Europe is scattered in small territories you know regardless of the European
idea.

You now can ask - why do you race foreign?

Answer: Too many great tracks there are in Europe and it would be shame not
to race on them.

I have a "have to race" list, and there too many tracks not marked off.

Cheers
Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: john hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. November 2012 18:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'triumph friends'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

Chris:
	Does the FIA have such a hold on the race tracks in Europe that they
won't let a club race at the track unless the club is FIA sanctioned?


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Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:33 AM
To: 'triumph friends'
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says:
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 16:13:29 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:13:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1351808009.23242.YahooMailNeo@web39301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
Ed Diehl

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Ed Diehl
<mediehljr at yahoo.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, November
1, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: John Fitch
 

Hello, all.    I was very sorry to
hear about the passing of Jon Fitch. He was not only a great driver,
pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years back I had the pleasure
to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in Watkins Glen . I was
honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch, Bob Lutz, and Bill
Millican at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event is called "Legends
Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his wife was a quite a
nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed

 
Ed Diehl


From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Nov  1 19:49:48 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 01:49:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <1351808009.23242.YahooMailNeo@web39301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<1351808009.23242.YahooMailNeo@web39301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W219C30BA4E732D94CBCFACDF670@phx.gbl>

I've had long conversations with John in various places in the world and he
was a just a very nice man,.  FAST too. I'm big on FAST.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:13:29 -0700
> From: mediehljr at yahoo.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
>
>
> Ed Diehl
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Ed Diehl
> <mediehljr at yahoo.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November
> 1, 2012 12:04 PM
> Subject: John Fitch
>
>
> Hello, all.    I was very sorry to
> hear about the passing of Jon Fitch. He was not only a great driver,
> pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years back I had the
pleasure
> to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in Watkins Glen . I was
> honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch, Bob Lutz, and Bill
> Millican at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event is called
"Legends
> Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his wife was a quite
a
> nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed
>
>
> Ed Diehl
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  1 22:29:56 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 21:29:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <385870D823844A14AAA353B019022358@hpd530>
Message-ID: <1351830596.7801.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Bill: Yes, I realized I had miss typed as soon as I hit send. I had the A/H on
my mind as I typed. A side-note...the A/H sold at auction this year for a very
obscene amount of dollars.
 
Below is the obit for John Fitch that was in the NY Times. Also, R&T has a
nice write-up in the newest edition.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sports/autoracing/john-cooper-fitch-glamoro
us-racer-with-a-flair-for-danger-dies-at-95.html?hpw&pagewanted=all

-Ed-
 
--- On Thu, 11/1/12, Bill Tobin <william.tobin31 at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Bill Tobin <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>, "Tom Householder"
<trhouse at columbus.rr.com>, "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, November 1, 2012, 9:41 AM


Hi all, I just checked my copy of "LeMans 55" and think there is a little
confusion.
Levegh/Fitch shared a Mersedes 300SLR, which LeVegh crashed when he hit the
Austin-Healey 100S of Macklin/Leston, Macklin driving, which had to swerve to
avoid the D Type Jaguar of Hawthorne/Bueb, Hawthorne driving, which had made a
sudden move to pit.
A lot of people blame Hawthorne for the crash, fault Mercedes for not
withdrawing until 12 or more hours later, and the race organizers for not
halting the race.
Terrible crash and aftermath.
Further reading shows Phil Walters in  D-type Jag with Bill Spear. Also Briggs
and Sherwood Johnson in a Cunningham C-6R. Also three TR2's entered.

How did everyone fare with the hurricane? Safe and sound, we hope. We had high
winds and lots of rain here, but no major problems.
Cheers, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD"
<edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "Tom Householder" <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch


> Thanks Tom! He was quite a man. I thought he was with the Cunningham team in
"55; interesting to see he was paired with Leveigh in the A/H which "caused"
the crash. Phil Wallters (AKA Ted Tappet; I'm showing my roots :O)) was with
Cunningham, and refused to ever race again after the '55 LeMans. As a side
note...I believe Walters had also been a P-51 pilot over Germany. Birds of a
feather.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
> To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:37 PM
>
>
> FYI
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fitch_(racing_driver)
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:54 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
>
>> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals
in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed away
this morning.
>> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car
driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters during
the big crash in '55.
>> RIP
>> -Ed-
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  2 10:13:35 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
References: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <1351872815.15133.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
Ed Diehl

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Ed Diehl
<mediehljr at yahoo.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, November
1, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: John Fitch
 

Hello, all.    I was very sorry to
hear about the passing of John Fitch. He was not only a great driver,
pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years back I had the pleasure
to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in Watkins Glen . I was
honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch, Bob Lutz, and Bill
Milligan at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event is called "Legends
Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his wife was a quite a
nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed

 
Ed Diehl


From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  2 11:30:48 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:30:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] E Mails
Message-ID: <1351877448.23358.YahooMailNeo@web39305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi, everyone. I am very sorry to have loaded up your in boxes with the same
message. My computer decided to hiccup and belch at the same time and I lost
control. Lucky there was nothing to hit. he he. Cheers, Ed.

 
Ed Diehl


From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sat Nov  3 19:21:39 2012
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:21:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch At Le Mans 1954
Message-ID: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>

I would like to share with you a couple of old photos of John Fitch at LeMans
in 1954. This first photo is of John in the pit prior to the race looking at a
Factory "D" Type.  The guy in the beret and field jacket,  looking at the car
over his left arm is me.
I will send a second photo of him on a seperate email.
Bob Johns

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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sat Nov  3 19:23:47 2012
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:23:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch at Le Mans 1954
Message-ID: <572EBD4FB4DB483AAC0DAD05098A004A@Bucktailus>

Great shot of John enjoying looking over the lastest from The Jaguar Factory.
Bob Johns

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Nov  3 19:47:07 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:47:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch At Le Mans 1954
In-Reply-To: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>
References: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <5095C91B.8040701@bradakis.com>

As you've noticed the basic mailman email lists like this one do not 
allow attachments.
Send the photos directly to me and I'll put them where folks can see them.

I'd suggest using the Team.Net forums, but they currently aren't working 
quite
right.  Hopefully I'll get that fixed soon, but the problem at the 
moment is some
denial of service and automated spam attacks directed at various mailman 
sites.
Computers can be so much fun.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Nov  4 20:55:27 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 20:55:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch photos
Message-ID: <509738AF.80405@bradakis.com>

A couple of nice pictures from LeMans.


http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=132


mjb.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:46:39 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:46:39 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tappets
In-Reply-To: <5095C91B.8040701@bradakis.com>
References: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>
	<5095C91B.8040701@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <000301cdbb75$23b366e0$6b1a34a0$@com>

Back in time I reported about that I always grind my tappets flat as only
domed ones are on the market.

Today I bought a new set and was amazed that they are perfect flat, no
regrind needed....have a look:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-moHnemvOoI0/UJfrIMoHBbI/AAAAAAAABjA/8qMo_
D6jbFc/s972/DSC02992.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V9PziuUrLds/UJfq-MbvNJI/AAAAAAAABi4/F98nS
Om_WRw/s1079/DSC02991.JPG

And the racing ones are a lot shorter.

Cheers
Chris


From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 12:30:49 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:30:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
Message-ID: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>

I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.

The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
issue?

http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM


Robert MacKenzie
Austin Texas
'78 1500 (street)
'71 GT6 MKIII (project)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Mon Nov  5 14:12:19 2012
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:12:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
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Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made against
using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since it is in
affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to have the
warmer 
gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power due to
loss of 
vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
separator and oil 
separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
thoughts on this.  Jim


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  5 14:51:08 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 22:51:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
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References: <6E2BB0D7-8358-4006-BF17-2686E31BCBFF@me.com>
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I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.

Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times so I made a duty heavy
version.

This is the Moroso version:

http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023



My version looks like this:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg



https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg



https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg



https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg



https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH
3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg



Cheers

Chris





-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von sherry robyn
Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?



Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since
it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to
have the warmer gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power
due to loss of vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
separator and oil separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
thoughts on this.  Jim _______________________________________________

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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  5 15:30:04 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:30:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
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	<5F0353EDDBF04275940ED0DAFB9BA433@ComputerPC>
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They are illegal in all the sanction bodies over here

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 4:51 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.
>
> Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times so I made a duty
heavy
> version.
>
> This is the Moroso version:
>
> http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023
>
>
>
> My version looks like this:
>
>
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
> p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
> p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH
> 3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von sherry robyn
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
> An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
> Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
>
>
>
> Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
> against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since
> it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to
> have the warmer gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power
> due to loss of vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
> separator and oil separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
> thoughts on this.  Jim _______________________________________________
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  5 15:34:35 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:34:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
In-Reply-To: <4393B193-977D-46B7-BBB2-EBC0C6B0B454@gdhs.com>
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Message-ID: <004901cdbba5$be1c5c20$3a551460$@com>

Psst....tell nobody.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 23:30
An: MadMarx
Cc: sherry robyn; Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?

They are illegal in all the sanction bodies over here

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 4:51 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.
>
> Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times so I made a duty
> heavy version.
>
> This is the Moroso version:
>
> http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023
>
>
>
> My version looks like this:
>
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> /xlwAk ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> /xlwAk ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI
> /GcSEH
> 3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von sherry robyn
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
> An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
> Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
>
>
>
> Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
> against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase
> since it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a
> positive to have the warmer gases to burn if there are solids (oil)
> and a loss of power due to loss of vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would
> be vacuum pump to an oil separator and oil separator back to
> crankcase.  I would appreciate any thoughts on this.  Jim
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Nov  5 15:44:36 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:44:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
Message-ID: <B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>

Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
To: 'FOT List'
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video

I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.

The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
issue?

http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM


Robert MacKenzie
Austin Texas
'78 1500 (street)
'71 GT6 MKIII (project)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 16:06:15 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:06:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Spitfire Autocross Video
Message-ID: <002301cdbbaa$28943b50$79bcb1f0$@aero>

The course was laid out specifically to keep speeds down.   I am running
dual SU4s.
RM 

-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:46 PM
To: list at mackenzie.aero
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video


Cool, it would be tempting to skip the cones and take a DNF on my last run
just to do a full lap at speed. :)  What carbs you running? I could not make
the left turn stutter go away on my TR6 until I dumped the ZS and went S.U.

Marty

----------------------------------------
> From: list at mackenzie.aero
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:30:49 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday 
> at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha, my much abused '78 Spitfire. She suffered with a 
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level 
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Nov  5 16:38:02 2012
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:38:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
Message-ID: <50984DDA.8070809@charter.net>

I concur
That's the best autocross I have seen!
Glenn

On 11/5/2012 5:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
> To: 'FOT List'
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
> Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 16:53:15 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:53:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
Message-ID: <6CEED6C9-E929-4D11-80B0-CE175832F9ED@gmail.com>

Didja bop any cones?  I thought I heard one in the slalom on the last
straight.

I assume your SUs have floats that hinge on one side.  If so, which way are
your float hinges oriented?  Laterally or longitudinal to the car?  The better
situation would be if the axis of the hinge pin is lateral so that fuel slosh
in cornering would have little effect on the fuel level seen by the float
during cornering.

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX

On Nov 5, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote:

> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
> Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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>
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 16:56:01 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:56:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <6CEED6C9-E929-4D11-80B0-CE175832F9ED@gmail.com>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<6CEED6C9-E929-4D11-80B0-CE175832F9ED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cdbbb1$1c467f00$54d37d00$@aero>

What you heard was the last cone of the last slalom on the last run jumping
in front of my car.
R

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:53 PM
To: Robert MacKenzie
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video

Didja bop any cones?  I thought I heard one in the slalom on the last
straight.

I assume your SUs have floats that hinge on one side.  If so, which way are
your float hinges oriented?  Laterally or longitudinal to the car?  The
better situation would be if the axis of the hinge pin is lateral so that
fuel slosh in cornering would have little effect on the fuel level seen by
the float during cornering.

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX

On Nov 5, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote:

> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday 
> at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
> 
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a 
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level 
> issue?
> 
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
> 
> 
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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> fot at autox.team.net
> 
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From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  5 17:11:15 2012
From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:11:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
In-Reply-To: <004901cdbba5$be1c5c20$3a551460$@com>
Message-ID: <1352160675.65293.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I'm sure you could scvange the gases with the exhaust. Drag races do it.
Guy Morter
Vintage Auto Service
262 573 4511

Flatheads Forever!


--- On Mon, 11/5/12, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
> To: "'John Hasty'" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> Cc: "'Triumph 'Friends  ofTriumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, November 5, 2012, 10:34 PM
> Psst....tell nobody.
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 23:30
> An: MadMarx
> Cc: sherry robyn; Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate
> the crankcase?
>
> They are illegal in all the sanction bodies over here
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 4:51 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.
> >
> > Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times
> so I made a duty
> > heavy version.
> >
> > This is the Moroso version:
> >
> > http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023
> >
> >
> >
> > My version looks like this:
> >
> > https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> > /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> > /xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> > /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> > /xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI
> > /GcSEH
> > 3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> Im
> > Auftrag von sherry robyn
> > Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
> > An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
> > Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to
> evacuate the crankcase?
> >
> >
> >
> > Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the
> argument made
> > against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate
> the crankcase
> > since it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced. 
> While it may be a
> > positive to have the warmer gases to burn if there are
> solids (oil)
> > and a loss of power due to loss of vacuum, maybe the
> ideal setup would
> > be vacuum pump to an oil separator and oil separator
> back to
> > crankcase.  I would appreciate any thoughts on
> this.  Jim
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From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Mon Nov  5 17:27:41 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:27:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tappets
In-Reply-To: <000301cdbb75$23b366e0$6b1a34a0$@com>
Message-ID: <BA.59.14780.D7958905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

This could be a fun thread.... I learned many years ago that flat tappets
were intentionally made with a very slight crown which helps establish
rotation of the tappet while riding on the camshaft.  The cam lobe is
normally offset from the centerline of the tappet in order to help with the
rotation of the tappet also.  There are several companies here that grind
tappets and all that I know of grind a crown on them.

I would like to hear what the rest of the masses have to say about this
subject as I am always ready to learn!

Steve Yott 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:47 AM
To: 'triumph friends'
Subject: [Fot] Tappets

Back in time I reported about that I always grind my tappets flat as only
domed ones are on the market.

Today I bought a new set and was amazed that they are perfect flat, no
regrind needed....have a look:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-moHnemvOoI0/UJfrIMoHBbI/AAAAAAAABjA/8qMo_
D6jbFc/s972/DSC02992.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V9PziuUrLds/UJfq-MbvNJI/AAAAAAAABi4/F98nS
Om_WRw/s1079/DSC02991.JPG

And the racing ones are a lot shorter.

Cheers
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  5 17:54:09 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:54:09 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Tappets   Tons of info on the list archives
Message-ID: <27213983.1352163249565.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

This has been discussed A LOT.

Read here:  http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=lifters&submit=Search!&idxname=fot&max=10&result=normal&sort=score

and here:  http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=tappets&submit=Search!&idxname=fot&max=10&result=normal&sort=score

~Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Yott <tr4 at wi.rr.com>
>Sent: Nov 5, 2012 4:27 PM
>To: 'MadMarx' <tr4racing at googlemail.com>, 'triumph friends' <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Tappets
>
>This could be a fun thread.... I learned many years ago that flat tappets
>were intentionally made with a very slight crown which helps establish
>rotation of the tappet while riding on the camshaft.  The cam lobe is
>normally offset from the centerline of the tappet in order to help with the
>rotation of the tappet also.  There are several companies here that grind
>tappets and all that I know of grind a crown on them.
>
>I would like to hear what the rest of the masses have to say about this
>subject as I am always ready to learn!
>
>Steve Yott 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of MadMarx
>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:47 AM
>To: 'triumph friends'
>Subject: [Fot] Tappets
>
>Back in time I reported about that I always grind my tappets flat as only
>domed ones are on the market.
>
>Today I bought a new set and was amazed that they are perfect flat, no
>regrind needed....have a look:
>
>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-moHnemvOoI0/UJfrIMoHBbI/AAAAAAAABjA/8qMo_
>D6jbFc/s972/DSC02992.JPG
>
>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V9PziuUrLds/UJfq-MbvNJI/AAAAAAAABi4/F98nS
>Om_WRw/s1079/DSC02991.JPG
>
>And the racing ones are a lot shorter.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Nov  5 18:15:03 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:15:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
In-Reply-To: <1352149939.28156.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.191.1638251582.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

One of my local speed shops sells a 12Volt vacuum pump just for that reason.
I understand it's a GM part. I've heard of cars that pull 11in. of vacuum.
In those cases some reverse their oil seals or it pulls air into the system.
I had considered it and still haven't given up on it yet. I have a sealed
system and use the Moroso exhaust extractor which works really good. I can
actually measure vacuum at my valve cover filler cap. Unfortunately it pegs
my gauge so I can't offer up a number.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 2:12 PM
To: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?

Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
against
using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since it is in
affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to have the
warmer 
gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power due to
loss of 
vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
separator and oil 
separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
thoughts on this.  Jim
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 19:16:25 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:16:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <50984DDA.8070809@charter.net>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
	<50984DDA.8070809@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>

Here is another video of the same event. 
http://youtu.be/XyIvRtyVSSY
In this case it is Mike Jankowski in his Spit 1500 winning the class.

Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Glenn Franco
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video

I concur
That's the best autocross I have seen!
Glenn

On 11/5/2012 5:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
> To: 'FOT List'
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday 
> at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a 
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level 
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 19:17:05 2012
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:17:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A run at Harris Hill this past Sunday's autocross
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVsHQHYDiRbghORMgKY9aMJdp0nz7GyU4k3wRBYtEczWdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I finally got around to posting the best video I had from this
weekend at Harris Hill. Robert MacKenzie and I were both in FSP. I was able
to take the class win by 1.49 secs over a Toyota Corolla GTS. My 78 Spit is
very lightly modified: poly rear radius arm bushings, lowered front
springs, Pertronix ignition, aluminium radiator, electric cooling fan,
4into 1 header, standard intermediate pipe into a Cherry Bomb muffler, twin
SU carbs. Now to tighten up the handling a bit.

 http://youtu.be/XyIvRtyVSSY
Mike


From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 19:54:49 2012
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:54:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
	<50984DDA.8070809@charter.net> <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVucHfytyTibVHy6kdipCYKbarsFgOCJ+e0ttduqY=kB=g@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I think I may have misposted when I tried to post this earlier.
Anyway, my car is slightly modified with poly rear radius arms bushings,
lower front springs, aluminum radiator, electric cooling fan, Pertronix
ignition, 4 into 1 header, standard imtermediate pipe, and a Cherry Bomb
muffler at the back. Now to tighten up the handling...

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Robert MacKenzie <list at mackenzie.aero>wrote:

> Here is another video of the same event.
> http://youtu.be/XyIvRtyVSSY
> In this case it is Mike Jankowski in his Spit 1500 winning the class.
>
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Glenn Franco
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:38 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I concur
> That's the best autocross I have seen!
> Glenn
>
> On 11/5/2012 5:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> > Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
> > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
> > To: 'FOT List'
> > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
> >
> > I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday
> > at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
> >
> > The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
> > miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
> > issue?
> >
> > http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
> >
> >
> > Robert MacKenzie
> > Austin Texas
> > '78 1500 (street)
> > '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> > '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov  5 20:08:58 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:08:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
	<50984DDA.8070809@charter.net> <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>
Message-ID: <50987F4A.2060609@bradakis.com>

Thanks for the videos, guys, brought back some memories.  I used to enjoy
autocross, and was reasonably good at it.  Maybe I'll get a reasonably 
steady
income soon and can put Killer back together and get back into it.

mjb.


From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 20:21:31 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 21:21:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] ARP Part Numbers - Spitfire 1296 crank to flywheel bolts ???
Message-ID: <000501cdbbcd$d1bebac0$753c3040$@aero>

Does anybody have the correct part numbers for the APP flywheel bolts used
on the 1296/1500 engine?  I recall they are also used on a GM product
somewhere...

Austin Texas
'78 1500 (street)
'71 GT6 MKIII (project)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)


From goodparts at verizon.net  Tue Nov  6 12:15:28 2012
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:15:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
Message-ID: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>

I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past. The
car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log book.
Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
bad shape and has little value.Thanks.

Richard Good


From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Nov  6 12:57:10 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:57:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOQLSuSx3V=iRH1E12dgYH6XwQYgwq0Eskut74ThXpgecQ@mail.gmail.com>

It's kind of like buying a serial number plate and a title. You can (in
some sanctioning bodies) build a totally new car with little or nothing
more than the logbook as long as the logbook doesn't say otherwise.

Bob


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Richard Good <goodparts at verizon.net> wrote:

> I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past.
> The
> car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log
> book.
> Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
> bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
>
> Richard Good
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov  6 12:57:23 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <C412DB20-D05B-4A4B-AAF7-6538144FF117@me.com>

Only if Paul Newman's name is in the log book.

On Nov 6, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Richard Good wrote:

I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past. The
car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log book.
Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
bad shape and has little value.Thanks.

Richard Good
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Tue Nov  6 13:07:22 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9 ARP Flywheel bolts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1352228401.1759.fot@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <OF1D5EBBEE.C2607569-ON85257AAE.006E4DE2-85257AAE.006E8CF9@us.ibm.com>

I've drilled out the flywheel and crank on my small journal 1296 and use
these bolts.



Description
Brand: ARP
Part Number: 350-2802
Ford 351 Nascar V8, uses 3/4" socket, .925" Under Head Length, 7/16"-20"
Thread Size, Pro Series ARP Flywheel Bolt Kit 350-2802

G. Michael Harmuth


63 Spit racecar
70 GT6
77 Spit 1500
80 Spit 1500

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of 46954216.gif]


From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Nov  6 13:46:46 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:46:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <CALCydYrC=BNXHnuyocR24LysD_gH5cF1KQu13ytB92HhLX7BLQ@mail.gmail.com>

The log book definitely helps add value and certain lineage to the car. The
down side, in this case,  is that the log book goes with the car (which is
apparently pretty far gone). For the log book to have any real value beyond
its pretty picture and autographs and it's matter of historical record...it
would of coarse have to accompany a real car. That being said, perhaps a
primary portion of the car could remain for a restoration.
In this case, important features of log book identity has to do with the
number written in raised lettering on the front of the log book... It must
match the number stamped into the roll bar. I believe SCCA Started this
"official registration" for the 1972 season.
For an SCCA car...The number has 2 parts; the region the car is (was)
registered in (01), and the order it was registered.(001)
Hence (01-001)  = region 1, 1st car registered.
The number, once given, is unique to the car and log book combo and does
not expire or change. Supposedly the # and various facts exist somewhere in
an SCCA archive. Other club racing sanctioning bodies did similar numbering
or perhaps an official "approved" metallic sticker (again on the roll bar).

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Richard Good <goodparts at verizon.net> wrote:

> I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past.
> The
> car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log
> book.
> Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
> bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
>
> Richard Good
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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Nov  6 14:13:18 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:13:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYrC=BNXHnuyocR24LysD_gH5cF1KQu13ytB92HhLX7BLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yup. You can saw out the portion of the main hoop with the serial number in
it, take that, the logbook, and the (new) car to the tech inspector and
claim to have put in a new hoop for 'updated safety' and as far as they are
concerned, it is the same car. (Or punch the number into the new roll bar.
But that is cheating. ;)) As I said, excepting if the log book reflects
that the car is totaled and not repairable for competition.

Not really worth doing unless you have a need to have a car with the
lineage.

Bob

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>wrote:

> The log book definitely helps add value and certain lineage to the car. The
> down side, in this case,  is that the log book goes with the car (which is
> apparently pretty far gone). For the log book to have any real value beyond
> its pretty picture and autographs and it's matter of historical record...it
> would of coarse have to accompany a real car. That being said, perhaps a
> primary portion of the car could remain for a restoration.
> In this case, important features of log book identity has to do with the
> number written in raised lettering on the front of the log book... It must
> match the number stamped into the roll bar. I believe SCCA Started this
> "official registration" for the 1972 season.
> For an SCCA car...The number has 2 parts; the region the car is (was)
> registered in (01), and the order it was registered.(001)
> Hence (01-001)  = region 1, 1st car registered.
> The number, once given, is unique to the car and log book combo and does
> not expire or change. Supposedly the # and various facts exist somewhere in
> an SCCA archive. Other club racing sanctioning bodies did similar numbering
> or perhaps an official "approved" metallic sticker (again on the roll bar).
>
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Richard Good <goodparts at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the
> past.
> > The
> > car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log
> > book.
> > Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is
> in
> > bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
> >
> > Richard Good
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> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Tue Nov  6 15:50:50 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:50:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <9222E913-583E-44B4-97FA-94E2A1B13250@comcast.net>

Richard,

I bought a Spitfire race car recently that has a SCCA logbook starting  
in 1972. The car was a race car from day one and the logbook indicates  
it was raced at Limerock, Watkins Glen, and other tracks in the east.  
The logbook even has a couple polaroid pictures of the car in race  
trim stapled to it in the back.

I was told that having such a logbook adds to the cars value because  
it shows it has "racing provenance" and that there are some races  
(California I believe) that only include cars that have a long racing  
history as shown by their logbooks.

I'll venture a guess that those that have historical logbooks will  
believe that it adds value and those that don't have such logbooks  
will say it doesn't add value. So of course I'm in the former group  
now but certainly having a logbook adds sex appeal if not value and  
having one is better than not having one when the time comes to sell  
it. If nothing else it adds to the cool factor in my opinion.

Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 6, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Richard Good wrote:

> I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the  
> past. The
> car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing  
> log book.
> Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car  
> itsef is in
> bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
>
> Richard Good
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Nov  6 15:55:28 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:55:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

The logbooks does little more than establish "provenance" (in terms of 
vintage) and if you intend to use it on tracks where a logbook is 
required, you get to skip that step...

I'd be more interested in "what is it" and "what's been done" to it than 
the log book. Maybe "where did it run".

If it's like a lot of old race cars, it's probably "used up" so there may 
be little value in the car itself.

Just MHO.

l8r,
rml
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From goodparts at verizon.net  Tue Nov  6 19:26:41 2012
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <81BB03E8B7714887A25C1EF747A1AADA@AdminPC>

Thanks to all who responded.  I posted the question for a friend, Boyd 
Wagner and will forward the responses to him.  Boyd has restored a few TR's 
and recently built a Sprite for autocross and hillclimb.  I nominated him to 
our group a while back and he received a second but he has not been 
receiving e-mails.  His e-mail address is whipwagner at comcast.net.  Does he 
need to introduce himself first?

Richard

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:55 PM
To: "Richard Good" <goodparts at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 old race car

> Hi,
>
> The logbooks does little more than establish "provenance" (in terms of 
> vintage) and if you intend to use it on tracks where a logbook is 
> required, you get to skip that step...
>
> I'd be more interested in "what is it" and "what's been done" to it than 
> the log book. Maybe "where did it run".
>
> If it's like a lot of old race cars, it's probably "used up" so there may 
> be little value in the car itself.
>
> Just MHO.
>
> l8r,
> rml


From dkettler1 at charter.net  Tue Nov  6 20:54:28 2012
From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 21:54:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <81BB03E8B7714887A25C1EF747A1AADA@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC><Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>
	<81BB03E8B7714887A25C1EF747A1AADA@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <288DBE5295C1425BA458978FE74CE07B@Davelaptop>

Richard:

If you intend to race the car again in SCCA, the role cage rules differ 
depending upon when the car was constructed/registered.  The logbook will 
show when the car was registered.  All cars registered after 1/1/08 have 
different construction requirements and tubing sizes than those registered 
prior to this date.

If it is an old car and you are going to go through it extensively, it might 
not be a bad idea to upgrade the cage also.

Dave Kettler
Divisional Administrator of Scrutineering
Central Division - SCCA

-----Original Message----- 
From: Richard Good
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 8:26 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 old race car

Thanks to all who responded.  I posted the question for a friend, Boyd
Wagner and will forward the responses to him.  Boyd has restored a few TR's
and recently built a Sprite for autocross and hillclimb.  I nominated him to
our group a while back and he received a second but he has not been
receiving e-mails.  His e-mail address is whipwagner at comcast.net.  Does he
need to introduce himself first?

Richard

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:55 PM
To: "Richard Good" <goodparts at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 old race car

> Hi,
>
> The logbooks does little more than establish "provenance" (in terms of 
> vintage) and if you intend to use it on tracks where a logbook is 
> required, you get to skip that step...
>
> I'd be more interested in "what is it" and "what's been done" to it than 
> the log book. Maybe "where did it run".
>
> If it's like a lot of old race cars, it's probably "used up" so there may 
> be little value in the car itself.
>
> Just MHO.
>
> l8r,
> rml
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 07:03:31 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:03:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <288DBE5295C1425BA458978FE74CE07B@Davelaptop>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC><Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>
	<81BB03E8B7714887A25C1EF747A1AADA@AdminPC>
	<288DBE5295C1425BA458978FE74CE07B@Davelaptop>
Message-ID: <001f01cdbcf0$ac43a660$04caf320$@com>

I remember a few years ago that VSCCA was not allowing MGA cars that had not
been race cars in the past to enter. Seems that there were so many folks
building their street cars into race cars they feared it would be like a
huge spec class! I think that restriction is no longer in effect, but I'd
keep the logbook and whatever it takes to build a reincarnation of the TR6
just in case. 

Just my $0.02...


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E) for sale, 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner (KC 5577 L) (it will have soon!)
www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos
"Reality, it's not what you think." 


From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Nov  7 07:04:23 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 09:04:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
Message-ID: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>

Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
I'm looking for cam timing specs.
Thanks!


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Wed Nov  7 07:40:27 2012
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
In-Reply-To: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
Message-ID: <CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>

Scott, call American Cam Grinding at 626-938-0073 and see if it's one of
theirs.  I recently found a TR4 cam in my stash marked M13 and it was a hot
street grind that they had done back in the day. Don


On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
> Thanks!
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 07:41:28 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:41:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
In-Reply-To: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
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Message-ID: <C751C042-7DD6-4447-9D56-D2038BA56374@austin.rr.com>

Sounds like a BFE cam, call Ken Gilanders.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
> Thanks!
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Nov  7 07:43:02 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:43:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
Message-ID: <252d.5c06fa23.3dcbcd75@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/07/2012 8:27:05 AM Central Standard Time, 
cwnfot at gmail.com writes:


> I remember a few years ago that VSCCA was not allowing MGA cars that had 
> not
> been race cars in the past to enter. Seems that there were so many folks
> building their street cars into race cars they feared it would be like a
> huge spec class! I think that restriction is no longer in effect, but I'd
> keep the logbook and whatever it takes to build a reincarnation of the TR6
> just in case. 
> 

Clark...

Early on many key movers and shakers within VSCDA went out of their way to 
keep the fold made up of 'certified old race cars' from the so-called 
'Golden Days of Sports Car Racing'.  And the bluer their blood...the better.  Not 
only that, I can't tell you how many times I heard officers and directors 
say, "We don't want race grids made up of a bunch of rusty TR3s."  Since I was 
racing an early TR3, that hurt my feelings.  At that time you could not 
race a Triumph TR4 with the VSCDA."  Bob Wismer asked then President (and 
founder) John Kleen, "When will the Triumph TR4 be approved."  John Kleen 
answered, "Never!"  We owe John Kleen because he was certainly the Founding Father 
and is responsible for the early success of the VSCDA.  In those days the 
race grids were made up of incredible museum pieces...out there on the 
track...running at speed.  That was a joy to behold.  But no matter how pretty, 
small fields won't pay the bills.  So soon the rules were eased, eventually the 
museum pieces stayed home, and life went on with grids made up of lots of 
production based sports cars, many of whom were recently converted into race 
cars.  In the process, a lot of 'problems' were solved and now they go 
really fast.  That too...is a joy to behold.

Just a little history, folks.  No political position intended.

Bill Dentinger


From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 10:05:01 2012
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:05:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Advice for making my Spitfire faster for Autox
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,
I've finally gotten to the point of feeling that my Spitfire is ready for
some more upgrades. I drive it every day, and am planning on a full
autocross season in 2013. I run in FSP. At the moment I have twin SU carbs,
needles from a 1973 MGB HIF carbset, slightly shaved head, 4-1 header,
stock intermediate pipe, and a Cherry Bomb muffler. Ignition is by
Pertronix. I installed an aluminum radiator with an electric cooling fan
also.

Suspension wise I have poly radius arm bushings, lowered front springs,
standard shocks at all corners. Brakes are standard, too. I have a non-od
4spd and stock 3.89 diff. Currently on the list of upgrades I have front
poly bushings, poly steering rack mounts, and a better exhaust system. I
also have poly shock bushings. Once I put all those on, I'm wondering what
the next step would be, keeping in mind I drive this car every day since
it's my only car.

Thanks,
Mike


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov  7 11:58:17 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:58:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Advice for making my Spitfire faster for Autox
In-Reply-To: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509AAF49.3090609@bradakis.com>

A number of years ago I wrote a piece called "Anatomy of an Autocrosser" 
I think,
about what I did to my Spits.  I'll have to see if I can find it and if 
there is anything
still relevant in there.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov  7 12:11:54 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:11:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Advice for making my Spitfire faster for Autox
In-Reply-To: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509AB27A.4050602@bradakis.com>

See

http://www.team.net/mjb/junior_details.html


mjb.


From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  7 19:11:25 2012
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 18:11:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
Message-ID: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

     Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it? Is
it worth the big bucks?
Sure looks good on paper.


 John Wagner (just the
wrench)


From malaboge at aol.com  Wed Nov  7 21:32:53 2012
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 23:32:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Wagner <j.wags63 at yahoo.com>
To: Fot <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:34 pm
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer


     Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it? Is
it worth the big bucks?
Sure looks good on paper.


 John Wagner (just the
wrench)


John,

I supplied specs and have had ATI design up a balancer for my TR4 several
years ago.
They should have one available for a TR for you.  The one thing to be sure to
have on it are taper
headed bolts on the front face of the damper (with the accompanying recessed
tapered holes) as the "regular" bolts
are just a tad too close to the rack.

Previously I tried a readily available setup (made with an MG piece I've
heard) and promptly broke my crank!
After the ATI unit (and a new billet crank) I haven't had any issues.

If ATI cannot figure it out, I believe that I still have the drawings
somewhere and could probably even find their part
number for the unit they supplied to me.

A little out of balance myself...
Nick in Nor Cal


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 22:30:31 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:30:31 -0800
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
In-Reply-To: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNAxgwXwb4FNEM1A_2muQ23KZxC197W88CqnJ8oZQ_y1QQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have one.  They mis-keyed it so tdc I'd at 22 degrees.  Works great.
On Nov 7, 2012 6:34 PM, "John Wagner" <j.wags63 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>      Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it?
> Is
> it worth the big bucks?
> Sure looks good on paper.
>
>
>  John Wagner (just the
> wrench)
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Thu Nov  8 05:00:32 2012
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:00:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <ac1ac85af96007856c6d09c2f0cd3a59.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Well, well, well, guess who's turning
50 today?  Bob Bownes is having a birthday
today.  I hope that its a good one, welcome
to "Official Old Fart" status Bob.

John


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 06:07:24 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNAxgwXwb4FNEM1A_2muQ23KZxC197W88CqnJ8oZQ_y1QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<CAMc4sNAxgwXwb4FNEM1A_2muQ23KZxC197W88CqnJ8oZQ_y1QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9PdVDLtrF3FxGhG9L1=KphawpRE0qy31WjK1JPuSH5UWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ken Glanders sells them and ready to bolt on....British Frame and Engine

Just my two cents

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley <
triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have one.  They mis-keyed it so tdc I'd at 22 degrees.  Works great.
> On Nov 7, 2012 6:34 PM, "John Wagner" <j.wags63 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >      Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it?
> > Is
> > it worth the big bucks?
> > Sure looks good on paper.
> >
> >
> >  John Wagner (just the
> > wrench)
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 06:48:25 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:48:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
In-Reply-To: <CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>

As long as we're at it - I too have a cam that I'd like to identify.
Scrolled in the end is D9 and stamped is Y.2K.
I do know that this is kind of a 3/4 cam from Kent Howards last TR3 race
motor.
Anyone?
Thanks
Dennis

On Nov 7, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net> wrote:

> Scott, call American Cam Grinding at 626-938-0073 and see if it's one of
> theirs.  I recently found a TR4 cam in my stash marked M13 and it was a hot
> street grind that they had done back in the day. Don
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
>> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
>> Thanks!
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 06:54:13 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:54:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Up Close
Message-ID: <3019CC33-30E7-4EA7-97F5-8D2B8E298CF0@sbcglobal.net>

A M I C I


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  8 07:27:46 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:27:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>

That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam mean,
.75 lift?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Dennis Delap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> As long as we're at it - I too have a cam that I'd like to identify.
> Scrolled in the end is D9 and stamped is Y.2K.
> I do know that this is kind of a 3/4 cam from Kent Howards last TR3 race
> motor.
> Anyone?
> Thanks
> Dennis
>
> On Nov 7, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net> wrote:
>
>> Scott, call American Cam Grinding at 626-938-0073 and see if it's one of
>> theirs.  I recently found a TR4 cam in my stash marked M13 and it was a
hot
>> street grind that they had done back in the day. Don
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
>>> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
>>> Thanks!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Nov  8 07:36:25 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:36:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
In-Reply-To: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211080934570.28845@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I bought an ATI for my TR6 from Goodparts. It's awesome. It was literally 
a bolt-on. Well thought out.

rml
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Former NER Solo Chair                          |
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Nov  8 07:46:03 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:46:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <ac1ac85af96007856c6d09c2f0cd3a59.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <ac1ac85af96007856c6d09c2f0cd3a59.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOTNRwea1ZZPKK-MPG-cM0aUWYySORGDdv3ScnWcwjXivQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks! As long as it doesn't mean I have to go slower. :)


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:00 AM, R. John Lye <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:

> Well, well, well, guess who's turning
> 50 today?  Bob Bownes is having a birthday
> today.  I hope that its a good one, welcome
> to "Official Old Fart" status Bob.
>
> John
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Nov  8 07:47:12 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:47:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
Message-ID: <3a269.97c1594.3dcd1ff0@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/08/2012 8:42:31 AM Central Standard Time, 
fasttrs at yahoo.com writes:


> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam 
> mean,
> .75 lift?
> 

I always thought it was a three quarter 'race cam', or a so-called street 
and track cam.

Bill Dentinger


From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 09:13:33 2012
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:13:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>

Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race cam"
which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.

On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
mean,
> .75 lift?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  8 09:18:45 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:18:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>

Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam sounds
better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
Mike
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race cam"
which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
mean,
>> .75 lift?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Nov  8 10:17:30 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:17:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.192.1638251582.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

I always figured a street cam is 1/2 a cam, a race cam is a full cam 
so halfway in between would be a 3/4 cam...

Tony

At 08:27 AM 11/8/2012, Mike Munson wrote:
>That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam mean,
>.75 lift?
>
>Mike


From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 10:19:35 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:19:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNC-5m2UySJj_6U82u2T7BGV_S8TRV38F-yRB0Upt-FABQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Nov  8 10:24:44 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:24:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>

I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
sounds
> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
cam"
> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
> mean,
>>> .75 lift?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  8 10:37:04 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:37:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>

Now that sounds more scientific Bob!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
sounds
>> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
cam"
>> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
>> mean,
>>>> .75 lift?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 11:04:14 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:04:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Up Close
In-Reply-To: <3019CC33-30E7-4EA7-97F5-8D2B8E298CF0@sbcglobal.net>
References: <3019CC33-30E7-4EA7-97F5-8D2B8E298CF0@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <572EAEDF-5C23-4C95-B9CB-C266D8ABD6E5@sbcglobal.net>

What I ment to say - there is a great Big photo of Bill Babcock racing Peyote
in the current issue of Vintage Motorsport.

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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 11:10:15 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:10:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
	<32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <25A61800-66F6-4F24-A061-6C8937EE44BC@sbcglobal.net>

Ted Schumacher - would always say to me, about the 3/4 cam - which quarter of
the race don't you want to race?

On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Now that sounds more scientific Bob!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
> dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
> sounds
>>> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
>>> Mike
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
> cam"
>>> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
>>> mean,
>>>>> .75 lift?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Thu Nov  8 11:15:00 2012
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <3a269.97c1594.3dcd1ff0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20121108181501.LV3QJ.195089.root@hrndva-web19-z02>

Could it be related to duration? 3/4 would be about 270 duration.
JVV

---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: 
> In a message dated 11/08/2012 8:42:31 AM Central Standard Time, 
> fasttrs at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> 
> > That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam 
> > mean,
> > .75 lift?
> > 
> 
> I always thought it was a three quarter 'race cam', or a so-called street 
> and track cam.
> 
> Bill Dentinger
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Nov  8 11:40:28 2012
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:40:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] race suit
Message-ID: <007301cdbde0$864c8c60$92e5a520$@rr.com>

I have a Worth 3 layer suit in red/white, size Large (5'10"/170 to
~6'2"/200lbs) I offer for a racing donation to someone who can use it. Seat
never soiled and no red mist contamination. 

E-mail me off list if interested.

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Nov  8 17:08:39 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu,  8 Nov 2012 17:08:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Fot] Life is a breeze!
Message-ID: <20121109000839.584692E05B@bradakis.com>

Or, sometimes, strong gusty winds preceding a storm front.  The kind
of winds that break off tree branches.  Tree branches that hit power
lines, or perhaps phone lines, like the one that connects Team.Net
to the world.

Back on the air, I apologise for the service outage.

mjb.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  8 17:34:30 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:34:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] test
Message-ID: <8CF8C291DAD93F2-E90-29AFB@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 15:52:36 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:52:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <20121108174559.24E4F2D1091@autox.team.net>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<20121108174559.24E4F2D1091@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <509C37B4.9020908@gmail.com>

On 11/8/12 10:17 AM, Tony Drews wrote:
> I always figured a street cam is 1/2 a cam, a race cam is a full cam 
> so halfway in between would be a 3/4 cam...
Now the real story is that it was developed for specials. It is for 
those times when you build up a racing special and discover that the 
engine you intend to install does not fit.  You shorten the engine by 
cutting off the front cylinder then you order a 3/4 race cam to handle 
the remaining 3 cylinders   ;)

TeriAnn


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  8 17:38:28 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:38:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] CONTRACT SIGNED WITH THE OSTHOFF    KASTNER CUP 2013
In-Reply-To: <8CF8C108F3FADF3-E90-28B94@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CF8C07B27D4FB8-E90-2851E@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CF8C108F3FADF3-E90-28B94@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CF8C29AB4619EE-E90-29B4B@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>

Subject: CONTRACT SIGNED WITH THE OSTHOFF    KASTNER CUP 2013


FOT:

CONTACT INFORMATION

WWW.OSTHOFF.COM

DISCOUNT CODE:   "FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH"

A limited number of rooms have been reserved for our group. These include
"Guest Rooms", "1 BR SUITES", and " 2 BR SUITES". If you want or need a 3
Bedroom Suite, a few of those are available as well.

The suites have living rooms with hide-a-beds, if you choose to use this
feature.

When suites are shared with friends and relatives, they can be an exceptional
value.

The Osthoff is where VSCDA holds activities, which includes "ON THE GREEN", a
car show. We are invited to display our Triumph Race Cars and it would be
great to have at least one example of each model.  I believe this is where the
OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT ends. A must do and no cost feature.  Live music and
cash bar will also be situated "ON THE GREEN".

You can expect that Kas and Peg will be well involved in these  activities in
historic Elkhart Lake.

We are the FEATURED MARQUE this weekend and this event will be heavily
promoted by Road America and VSCDA.  See you there.

Hesitate not, in these reservations, starting this Friday to allow time for
computer entries at the OSTHOFF

Regards,


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Nov  8 12:15:00 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:15:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
	<32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <11DD36F0-FF12-48FA-AB8B-11CD75EC2370@austin.rr.com>

Larry Young could do the science. I stop at fractions :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Now that sounds more scientific Bob!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
sounds
>>> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
>>> Mike
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
cam"
>>> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
>>> mean,
>>>>> .75 lift?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Nov  8 19:21:27 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:21:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
	<32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.193.1638251582.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

I received a reply from Larry Young that didn't seem to make it to the list:
Tony, that is close.  You'll find the explanation at: 
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Take_34Race.html.  It's too 
bad no one has ever written Winfield's biography.

Tony

At 11:37 AM 11/8/2012, Mike Munson wrote:
>Now that sounds more scientific Bob!
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
>dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
>sounds
> >> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
> >> Mike
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
>cam"
> >> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
> >> mean,
> >>>> .75 lift?
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> fot at autox.team.net
> >>
> >> http://www.fot-racing.com
> >>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Nov  9 00:16:41 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:16:41 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801cdbe4a$2b6fffb0$824fff10$@com>

Could be something English?
They have half a bee too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHx2wI0_rtA


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mike Munson
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. November 2012 15:28
An: Dennis Delap
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?

That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
mean,
.75 lift?

Mike


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Nov  9 00:27:38 2012
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 17:27:38 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re J-type OD enhancements for racing
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b0zq_SvD+hXU3GpJQ8amzUf+z-2MsBQ46kAQ13BxD-OOw@mail.gmail.com>

i have been rebuilding & using these for over 30 years.

there are so many minor variations, its not possible to discuss them here.
the late 80's Volvo 244 ones are usually the best starting point

if built properly, they are very robust and last years of racing without
attention.

biggest problems are  worn planet gear axle shafts & related
bearings/gears. the internal annular gear teeth can be in poor shape if its
had limited oil changes.

email me if you need help or have a specific query.

Terry O'Beirne
Australia


From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 08:16:37 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:16:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNC-5m2UySJj_6U82u2T7BGV_S8TRV38F-yRB0Upt-FABQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC.1B.12302.75E1D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

While I have done a large number of overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes.  It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the Uni-directional clutch with the new style
Replacing the main clutch and starting with an unfinished unit so that one
can machine the thickness to ensure the minimum amount of engagement
movement required.
Polishing the pump check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott   

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

--
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Nov  9 10:06:34 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:06:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <EC.1B.12302.75E1D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <EC.1B.12302.75E1D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>

Is there any value to using a stronger accumulator spring?

art de armond

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Yott
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:16 AM
To: 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley' ; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

While I have done a large number of overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes.  It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the Uni-directional clutch with the new style
Replacing the main clutch and starting with an unfinished unit so that one
can machine the thickness to ensure the minimum amount of engagement
movement required.
Polishing the pump check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

--
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 10:26:50 2012
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:26:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Suit was spoken for
Message-ID: <011201cdbe9f$674735d0$35d5a170$@rr.com>

I wish I had a dozen to satisfy all the interest, but there was only one.
Sorry.

 

Russ


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  9 10:59:31 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:59:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 a few words on the current planning. ELKHART
 LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL
Message-ID: <8CF8CBB19FAC5CE-750-2C89B@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

Reservations being made at the Osthoff are going well. Especially  from folks
that are familiar with the Osthoff and the value received.

Conference call with FOT Chair, John Houlton and ELVF Event Organizer, Mike
Korneli went very well for first contact.  John and Mike are both on the Board
of Directors of VSCDA and have close ties to ROAD AMERICA management.

For years, I have had folks ask for a "non-festival" event with a "non-profit"
organization and held at a significant track. Well, the worlds finally aligned
in proper order.

Road America in September.....the weather is usually ideal.  "FOUR MILES OF
BLACK MAGIC".

VSCDA has carefully groomed the ELVF event into one of the finest events in
North America.

The Triumph is THE FEATURED MARQUE, and not in the shadows.

Kas Kastner is THE GRAND MARSHALL....................................

This all comes with a certain level of self-determination required.
Fortunately,  17 generous folks stepped up and have become "sponsors" to this
event.

Marty Sukey has a spread sheet showing about 23 drivers, so far (Sam Halkias
is bringing three cars and drivers, again).  I think we are missing 20+ names
of the usual suspects expected to enter.  We use this information for planning
purposes, and to include on the event T-SHIRT. and the number of FOT/VTR
posters, as well as garnering real estate in the paddock.

As in the past, we will be having some interesting visitors that will be
joining us in the paddock....UK, maybe Germany, and from around North America.

More on all of this later......please register your intent to run.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  9 11:12:20 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:12:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
	Springs
Message-ID: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Here's a video I put together from last weekend at Willow Springs with VARA's group 3.
The run-group held 43 cars including many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the DP win with his powerful and well set up TR4.
Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
I had a great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.  Extreme sun and sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and,
as you can see in the video, I've almost perfected the art of getting passed. Still, a weekend with friends at the track can't be beat.

Enjoy 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be


~STEVE


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 12:05:59 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:05:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
In-Reply-To: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AA330934-A102-48B6-A9C0-448B6FF23C79@gmail.com>

Dust -- you might as well be driving in thick fog.  Sheesh.

Racing in Gp 4 (pre-1961; few cars on the track) CVAR last weekend:
http://youtu.be/sSl5ZdE0o00

Duncan
(Texas)

On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:12 PM, steve wrote:

> Here's a video I put together from last weekend at Willow Springs with
VARA's group 3.
> The run-group held 43 cars including many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the
DP win with his powerful and well set up TR4.
> Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
> I had a great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.
Extreme sun and sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and,
> as you can see in the video, I've almost perfected the art of getting
passed. Still, a weekend with friends at the track can't be beat.
>
> Enjoy
>
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  9 12:10:48 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:10:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>
References: <EC.1B.12302.75E1D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
	<2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>
Message-ID: <1352488248.20528.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all.  re: A type OD. units: many years ago I modified some of these for
TR 3 and 4 cars by shimming the accumulator springs with washers and drilling
out the relief hole in the valve to allow the pressure the exit rapidly. I
found this quite effective in allowing the OD to shift in and out quickly.
Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will not
allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the travel. The result
is disaster! Don't ask how I know. Cheers, Ed.


 
Ed Diehl
________________________________
 From: "riverside at southslope.net"
<riverside at southslope.net>
To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen
Kelley' <triosan at gmail.com>; 'Friends' <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday,
November 9, 2012 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
Is there any value to using a stronger accumulator spring?

art de armond
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012
9:16 AM
To: 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley' ; 'Friends'
Subject: Re:
[Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

While I have done a large number of
overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes. 
It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has
an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of
items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for
the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting
the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the
Uni-directional clutch with the new style
Replacing the main clutch and
starting with an unfinished unit so that one
can machine the thickness to
ensure the minimum amount of engagement
movement required.
Polishing the pump
check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality
rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race
prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the
torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen
Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot]
J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents
or references?

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  9 12:46:03 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:46:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: OD mainshafts
In-Reply-To: <8D2C5A38-5649-47C0-9002-63C48D0C74F2@columbus.rr.com>
References: <8D2C5A38-5649-47C0-9002-63C48D0C74F2@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CF8CC9FB7E007E-750-2D2D1@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>

 Tom Householder needs a source for repairing OD mainshafts....can anyone
help?



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:36 pm
Subject: OD mainshafts


Joe

  I have a couple of early  Overdrive mainshafts that I need
fixed ,,,, can you recommend someone

  tom


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Nov  9 13:00:48 2012
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:00:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
Message-ID: <28a20.7b30e173.3dcebaf0@aol.com>

Steve!
 
Awesome video!  You really caught the joy of the setting sun thru turn  
nine that we enjoy every year.  Great drive and a GREAT video, 
 
GT6 #4, Steve
 
 
In a message dated 11/9/2012 10:33:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
colordog.1 at earthlink.net writes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be


From jaxonracing at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  9 13:29:04 2012
From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:29:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
In-Reply-To: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1352492944.50854.YahooMailNeo@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Great Video.

Fun to watch.. Wow that dust is something if a guy gets off
track.


________________________________
 From: steve
<colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday,
November 9, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big
Bore Bash at Willow Springs
 
Here's a video I put together from last weekend
at Willow Springs with VARA's group 3.
The run-group held 43 cars including
many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the DP win with his powerful and well set
up TR4.
Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
I had a
great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.  Extreme sun and
sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and,
as you can see in the video, I've
almost perfected the art of getting passed. Still, a weekend with friends at
the track can't be beat.

Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be


~STEVE
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  9 13:42:27 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:42:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: LANKY FOUSHEE GROUP 44
In-Reply-To: <C40AFB06-BE0A-42AF-B0E6-DA2737FF2B1F@grassrootsmotorsports.com>
References: <k7jmfm+6h55@eGroups.com>
	<C40AFB06-BE0A-42AF-B0E6-DA2737FF2B1F@grassrootsmotorsports.com>
Message-ID: <8CF8CD1DD9479ED-750-2D7CA@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>

 I am starting to get word from sources that Lanky Foushee has passed away.  I
am sure many of us would want to know this.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
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to: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at CS.COM>
Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:36 pm
Subject: LANKY FOUSHEE GROUP 44










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Subject: [Marlboro_Raceway] Lank
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Steve Knoll called today to tell me that Group 44's Crew Chief, Lanky Foushee,
passed away this morning from cancer. At this time I do not have any further
information.

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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Nov  9 13:44:55 2012
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Lanky
Message-ID: <001801cdbebb$13a5b0c0$3af11240$@net>

FYI

Craig



Marlboro Veterans,

Steve called me today to tell me that Group 44's Crew Chief, Lanky Foushee
passed away this morning from cancer. I do not have any other information.

Steve


From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Fri Nov  9 14:03:22 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:03:22 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01C9279BA3E7@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

As always, a superb presentation by SB.  He's a totally cool, multipurpose
guy...


Ed Dunn
Spitfire #22
GT6 #757


West Coast Vintage Racing
2240 Encinitas Blvd. Suite D-101
Encinitas, CA 92024

760-492-3814
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From john at race-dogs.com  Fri Nov  9 13:41:07 2012
From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:41:07 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at
 Willow	Springs
In-Reply-To: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000701cdbeba$8b9e3c10$a2dab430$@race-dogs.com>

Awesome Video Steve- Making me miss the Spitfire days!
Great drive for Ken as well, you all have come a long way since drivers
school.
You all represent VARA and the Vintage community with a high bar to reach!!
Looking forward to some more karting and collaboration!

Regards,
JW


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of steve
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:12 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
Springs

Here's a video I put together from last weekend at Willow Springs with
VARA's group 3.
The run-group held 43 cars including many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the
DP win with his powerful and well set up TR4.
Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
I had a great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.
Extreme sun and sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and, as you can see in
the video, I've almost perfected the art of getting passed. Still, a weekend
with friends at the track can't be beat.

Enjoy 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be


~STEVE
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Fri Nov  9 14:47:19 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:47:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: OD mainshafts
In-Reply-To: <8CF8CC9FB7E007E-750-2D2D1@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D2C5A38-5649-47C0-9002-63C48D0C74F2@columbus.rr.com>,
	<8CF8CC9FB7E007E-750-2D2D1@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT141-W4710A99C2572889D495639B2680@phx.gbl>

depending on the type of repair needed, Flamespray northwest do ex. work.
Thermal spray and grinding service.206 395 2645
 > To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:46:03 -0500
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: OD mainshafts
>
>  Tom Householder needs a source for repairing OD mainshafts....can anyone
> help?
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:36 pm
> Subject: OD mainshafts
>
>
> Joe
>
>   I have a couple of early  Overdrive mainshafts that I need
> fixed ,,,, can you recommend someone
>
>   tom
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 17:54:35 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:54:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <1352488248.20528.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <31.8F.01425.9C5AD905@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will not
> allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the travel. The
> result
> is disaster! Don't ask how I know. 

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall


From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 18:57:55 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 19:57:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <31.8F.01425.9C5AD905@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <31.38.14780.6A4BD905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

It is amazing as to how much pressure that little pump in the A-type can
generate..... I wound out an 800 lb gauge before I could shut it down!!

PS. It will also BEND parts in the overdrive if it does this..... Ouch!

Steve Yott 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Randall
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:55 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will 
> not allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the 
> travel. The result is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Nov 10 11:18:08 2012
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:18:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Message-ID: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>

anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled  
head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone.  i'm 
not having much luck with the steel gasket.
thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.


From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 11:09:16 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:09:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>
Message-ID: <AC.24.14780.1D64D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

Art,
In an A-Type definitely yes.... There are actually 3 ways to setup an
accumulator system on the A-Type:

1- Preferred for racing is using the early main case designed for the large
accumulator piston set.  You can identify this case as it has a Welch plug
on the bottom of the main case where the later cases are just molded
aluminum at this area.  With the large piston I can get the competition
accumulator spring which will easily obtain 450 lbs of pressure will really
let you know when you hit overdrive! 

2- If you like a softer engagement you can go with the standard mid cycle
Triumph or Healy overdrive which use the smaller accumulator setup.  I run
these at around 350 to 400 lbs of pressure and they slide into overdrive
without the aggressiveness of the above setup.

3- This one is interesting where I use the smaller accumulator piston setup
but with a Jag spring setup which is middle of the road and the pressure is
around 475 lbs.

The huge difference here is that the A-Type overdrive uses an accumulator
system which gives immediate pressure to the operating pistons when engaged.
The J-Type uses a bleed off system where there is always about 15 - 20 lbs
of pressure on the system in a bypass mode and this is to provide
pressurized oil for the mainshaft to oil all of the rear bearings, bushings
etc.  When you engage the J-Type the solenoid blocks the bypass and send the
pressurized oil to the operating pistons but since there is no accumulator
it takes time for the pump to provide enough oil and pressure to move them
to the point of clutch engagement.  

What to use in your car is of total personal preference.  Both units have
their advantages.  The A-Type is more adjustable in operation as stated
above but it contains nearly twice the number of parts vs. the J-Type
(reliability).  A well sorted A-Type is very reliable but is more difficult
to get to that point.  The J-Type is much less aggressive in operation and
not as adjustable but they rarely fail!  I have built a couple of J-Types
that are hard to discern in engagement speed over an A-Type even without the
accumulator setup and on occasion I have added in a lockout switch on the
top cover to allow J-Type operation in second gear which I love to use
especially on the Tail of the Dragon!!!

Again it boils down to what you have and what you would like to run.  They
are both very good units.  There is a key fact that everyone with an
overdrive needs to understand and that is oiling pressure.  The J-Type as
described above provides constant oiling pressure with the bypass valve
which allows the 15-20 lbs of oil pressure to run through the mainshaft to
keep all the parts well oiled and cool.  The A-Type provides total
accumulator pressure to the mainshaft through the center bushings.  This
pressure is a must or you will not have lubrication to the remaining parts.
I have seen a number of A-Type drivers that tell me their overdrive is not
working and just let it go at that.  If there is a pressure issue it WILL
destroy the overdrive!!!!  Always check your pressure at the top operating
port valve plug on the A-Type and at the bottom oil pressure port on the
J-Type.

Steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: riverside at southslope.net [mailto:riverside at southslope.net] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:07 AM
To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley'; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Is there any value to using a stronger accumulator spring?

art de armond

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Yott
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:16 AM
To: 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley' ; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

While I have done a large number of overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes.  It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the Uni-directional clutch with the new style Replacing the main
clutch and starting with an unfinished unit so that one can machine the
thickness to ensure the minimum amount of engagement movement required.
Polishing the pump check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

--
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Sat Nov 10 17:00:24 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:00:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Message-ID: <1a0a.12c8346e.3dd04497@aol.com>

Alas, many of us have tried this with negative results in distances  
measured in feet, not races.
Much has been posted about head gaskets; I never had to "O" ring a good  
steel gasket, and I always used GM gasket sealing compound # 1050026
 
TR Regards, 
 Hardy
 
 
From:  KENMUN at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head  gasket
Message-ID: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460 at aol.com>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

anyone having success with the stock  composite head gasket on a milled  
head. my head has been milled  .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone. 
 i'm 
not having much  luck with the steel gasket.
thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage  racer.


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Sat Nov 10 21:23:31 2012
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 20:23:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel pressure for ZS carbs
Message-ID: <1352607811.84283.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

What is the best working fuel pressure for stock twin Zenith-Strombergs on a
stock TR6?  Thanks, Jim


From levilevi at comcast.net  Sat Nov 10 23:36:28 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:36:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel pressure for ZS carbs
In-Reply-To: <1352607811.84283.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1DC2CF69-3158-437F-B16A-8268E7207E9D@comcast.net>

1.5 to 2 psi works best on my ZS carbs. I use a pressure regulator  
because my fuel pump was putting out around 4 psi which made it push  
fuel past the float valve and miss.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 10, 2012, at 9:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote:

> What is the best working fuel pressure for stock twin Zenith- 
> Strombergs on a
> stock TR6?  Thanks, Jim
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Nov 11 10:37:40 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:37:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Transporting
Message-ID: <D58354B2-8919-4B98-A65F-A3EC8C2E50D7@aol.com>

Amici.
Anyone passing threw Sparks Nevada (just north of Reno) on their way to the
Maryland area that can bring a riding lawnmower?

I found one for parts that I am interested.


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Nov 12 09:32:12 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:32:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <31.8F.01425.9C5AD905@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
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Will replacing the TR spring with an AH 3000 spring
get more pressure without the need for shims?

art de armond

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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:54 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will not
> allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the travel. The
> result
> is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Mon Nov 12 12:20:42 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:20:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <A36FD0CA144946F6857EC0EADEDFF0CC@rileyPC>
Message-ID: <37.DC.12302.B0C41A05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

Not necessarily.  Over Drive Spares in the UK produces a competition spring
for the A-Type which will get you in the 450 lb. range.  Unless you are
having slippage issues there is no need for more pressure!  Pressure will
only provide hold power and does not effect the speed of operation to any
noticeable effect.  Be extremely careful if using shims because if you
venture just a tad too far, which is not much you will block the relief port
and possibly break your overdrive unit!

Steve Yott 

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:32 AM
To: Randall; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Will replacing the TR spring with an AH 3000 spring get more pressure
without the need for shims?

art de armond

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:54 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will 
> not allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the 
> travel. The result is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Nov 12 13:24:37 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:24:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
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I remember a lime green TR3 at road america circa 1971 at an
early regional.   He qualified front row, maybe pole.  It sounded
like he shifted about 4 times between canada corner and the Mitchell bridge.
Nice crisp, hard fast shifts for about 4 laps, then the o'dr upshifts got
pretty lazy and his times fell of a bit and a bathtub passed him. Curses!
He needed a bit more enhancement  (for his overdrive).
Anybody know who the TR3 driver was?

art


-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Yott
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:20 PM
To: riverside at southslope.net ; 'Randall' ; 'Friends'
Subject: RE: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Not necessarily.  Over Drive Spares in the UK produces a competition spring
for the A-Type which will get you in the 450 lb. range.  Unless you are
having slippage issues there is no need for more pressure!  Pressure will
only provide hold power and does not effect the speed of operation to any
noticeable effect.  Be extremely careful if using shims because if you
venture just a tad too far, which is not much you will block the relief port
and possibly break your overdrive unit!

Steve Yott

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Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:32 AM
To: Randall; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Will replacing the TR spring with an AH 3000 spring get more pressure
without the need for shims?

art de armond

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:54 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will
> not allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the
> travel. The result is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov 12 13:40:08 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:40:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] FW: [Marlboro_Raceway] Lanky Foushee arrangements
 and memorial comments
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[TR] FW: [Marlboro_Raceway] Lanky Foushee arrangements and 
memorial comments
Date: 	Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:25:25 -0500
From: 	James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
To: 	<triumphs at autox.team.net>



FYi - For those fans of Group 44,  Lankey Foushee, mechanic to the team,
just passed away. See notice below.

Jim Henningsen






Please distribute to all our friends. I plan on seeing you there Sunday.


Lawton Langston Foushee, Jr


*

Lawton Langston Foushee, Jr., 75, of Sanford, passed away on November 8,
2012 at Central Carolina Hospital.

He was born on September 18, 1937 to the late Lawton, Sr. and Vera Foushee.

Lawton proudly served in the USAF from 1956-1961.  During his time in the
Air Force he was assigned to "Presidential Aircraft Maintenance" and
specialized in maintenance and trip preparation of aircraft assigned to
convey the President of the United States and high ranking military and
cabinet level civilians.  After his service in the Air Force he went on to
work for a Pontiac dealership and then went on to work for Group 44
racecars, where he later retired from in 1997.

He is survived by his brother; Gerald Ray Foushee; sister, Joan Foushee
Lunsford; niece, Deborah Leigh Lunsford and nephew, Delano A. Lunsford;
great-nieces, Amelia, Deanna and Sara and one great great nephew, Toby
Alian.

A visitation will be held on Sunday from 2:00-4:00PM at the Miller-Boles
Funeral Home in Sanford.  A graveside service will be held on Monday 12:00
noon at Buffalo Cemetery.

Rememberances to: http://millerboles.com/lawton-langston-foushee-jr/

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From Catpusher at aol.com  Mon Nov 12 17:28:56 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:28:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
Message-ID: <1d843.28c659b5.3dd2ee48@aol.com>

Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive  
Please see what you can find in the archives. 
For many years the TR3 was one of a very few cars  not allowed alternate 
gearbox ratios in SCCA E Production. Using second gear  overdrive was 
essential with a full race motor to bridge the gap between  2nd and 3rd. I spent 
thousands of hours studying and  modifying the OD. Running a pressure gauge 
during events is necessary, as is not  allowing it to leak on the driver. The 
gauge will show when the solenoid is out  of adjustment, and most critically, 
when there is a running pressure drop. If  the accumulator piston does not 
reach the blow off holes, that oil no longer  gets to several parts. The 
specks for the accumulator bore are very tight, and  honing to remove the steel 
piston ring scratches will only work a few times. The  TR4A IRS/TR6 piston, 
sleeve, and spring provide a much lower volume and  pressure, but a 
replaceable sleeve is a good idea. Much research about piston  displacement and 
pressure pointed me towards a Jaguar sedan assembly that was  NLS, but JRT, 
with the help of a UK Jaguar club, provided a few sets of piston  and sleeves, 
and I also located the matching springs. I did find it necessary to  run an 
oil cooling system with an electric pump and MGC auto gearbox cooler, all  
set low enough that it would not flow back into the gearbox during the early  
laps before the pump was turned on. Keep in mind that I was running slicks 
and  often ran where the track temps were high. 
TR Regards, Hardy


From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov 13 10:08:33 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:08:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Carbs, cams and distributors
References: <BC15A55D-0EDE-4992-8CB0-EE1DEE0630E9@REcatalyst.com>
Message-ID: <0A5D85D6-34F0-4A22-A3C1-A51E7CA68985@me.com>

Just writing to say thanks to all for input, and providing an update on where this all shook out.

It started with SU piston clatter and looking for causes - Henry Frye and others suggested I'd better start with the basics and check cam timing and lash.  Turns out timing was off by a tooth plus four degrees (the offset between the choice of bolt holes on the gear).  The BFE M23-108 cam is now dialed in to specs.

A leak-down test also gave perfect results - 5% or less across the board.

Thinking the ignition was not working correctly, I shipped the crank-triggered ignition module that was in the car off to the manufacturer, and they confirmed that it was not firing consistently throughout the rev range, and at 15 years old or more, was not repairable.  Several of you suggested going back to a Lucas distributor (hmmm, really?) and I got a "rebuilt" one through Jeff at Advanced Distributors.  This is clearly better than new, both in appearance and in re-engineering, and cheaper than almost any alternative.  Jeff says there's good durability and no points scatter up to 10,000 RPM , waaay above the 7,000 this engine is good for.  Plus, I  buy from a guy who supports our hobby and is there for follow-up if needed.   win-win.

The E-prod TR4 now runs and sounds great with no carb clatter, "idles" at 1500, and revs nicely (in the garage, anyway) so the real test will be Summit Point - Turkey Bowl - Thanksgiving weekend.  Hope it's not snowing!  After that, I'll have to decide whether to take this car back to vintage specs or keep it around as-is, with fiberglass flares and racing slicks.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 13 10:26:55 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:26:55 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
In-Reply-To: <1d843.28c659b5.3dd2ee48@aol.com>
References: <1d843.28c659b5.3dd2ee48@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301cdc1c4$191c5390$4b54fab0$@com>

The only issue I have with a J-OD that it switched off during the race.
The OD always went out and popped in a very short manner.
No idea what this could cause.
- New solenoid (it happened with the old solenoid too)
- wiring is connected well
- oil level little higher than normal

Cheers
Chris


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An: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: HRPTR3 at aol.com
Betreff: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive

Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
Please see what you can find in the archives.
For many years the TR3 was one of a very few cars  not allowed alternate
gearbox ratios in SCCA E Production. Using second gear  overdrive was
essential with a full race motor to bridge the gap between  2nd and 3rd. I
spent thousands of hours studying and  modifying the OD. Running a pressure
gauge during events is necessary, as is not  allowing it to leak on the
driver. The gauge will show when the solenoid is out  of adjustment, and
most critically, when there is a running pressure drop. If  the accumulator
piston does not reach the blow off holes, that oil no longer  gets to
several parts. The specks for the accumulator bore are very tight, and
honing to remove the steel piston ring scratches will only work a few times.
The  TR4A IRS/TR6 piston, sleeve, and spring provide a much lower volume and
pressure, but a replaceable sleeve is a good idea. Much research about
piston  displacement and pressure pointed me towards a Jaguar sedan assembly
that was  NLS, but JRT, with the help of a UK Jaguar club, provided a few
sets of piston  and sleeves, and I also located the matching springs. I did
find it necessary to  run an oil cooling system with an electric pump and
MGC auto gearbox cooler, all set low enough that it would not flow back into
the gearbox during the early laps before the pump was turned on. Keep in
mind that I was running slicks and  often ran where the track temps were
high.
TR Regards, Hardy
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 10:58:40 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:58:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
In-Reply-To: <000301cdc1c4$191c5390$4b54fab0$@com>
Message-ID: <20121113175840.IE3S6.201780.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>

---- MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote: 
> The only issue I have with a J-OD that it switched off during the race.
> The OD always went out and popped in a very short manner.

FWIW, when I had that problem, it turned out to be the little ground wire for the solenoid.  The quick connect was trapped on the tab, would not pull off easily, but was very slightly loose.  Vibration, heat and the ever-present oil film would let it open up for just a fraction of a second, then connect again.  

Replacing the quick connect and cleaning up the brown corrosion on the tab solved the problem.

I have also had a lockout switch that would do the same thing.  Removing the shim washer got it working again.  But I doubt you have those on your race car.

Randall


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Nov 13 10:59:54 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:59:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Any tricks on inserting pistons into TR3 brake calipers?
Message-ID: <BLU173-W3821B18032A00C2BA01CB9906C0@phx.gbl>

Gang, bought some Kits from VB and am shearing them apart as I stuff the new
pistons into the calipers.   Are there better Kits out thee I should have
bought since I will be buying new ones anyway? Thanks for your help.  Cheers,
Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 13 11:21:41 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:21:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
Message-ID: <29771483.1352830902054.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hardy, I found your detailed OD info very illuminating.  No, I don't even run an OD unit in my TR3 but I enjoyed your write-up nonetheless.  I can see that you've put a huge amount of time and effort into pushing your machine to it's uppermost limits of power and reliability.  Very cool!

~Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: Catpusher at aol.com
>Sent: Nov 12, 2012 4:28 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Cc: HRPTR3 at aol.com
>Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
>
>Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive  
>Please see what you can find in the archives. 
>For many years the TR3 was one of a very few cars  not allowed alternate 
>gearbox ratios in SCCA E Production. Using second gear  overdrive was 
>essential with a full race motor to bridge the gap between  2nd and 3rd. I spent 
>thousands of hours studying and  modifying the OD. Running a pressure gauge 
>during events is necessary, as is not  allowing it to leak on the driver. The 
>gauge will show when the solenoid is out  of adjustment, and most critically, 
>when there is a running pressure drop. If  the accumulator piston does not 
>reach the blow off holes, that oil no longer  gets to several parts. The 
>specks for the accumulator bore are very tight, and  honing to remove the steel 
>piston ring scratches will only work a few times. The  TR4A IRS/TR6 piston, 
>sleeve, and spring provide a much lower volume and  pressure, but a 
>replaceable sleeve is a good idea. Much research about piston  displacement and 
>pressure pointed me towards a Jaguar sedan assembly that was  NLS, but JRT, 
>with the help of a UK Jaguar club, provided a few sets of piston  and sleeves, 
>and I also located the matching springs. I did find it necessary to  run an 
>oil cooling system with an electric pump and MGC auto gearbox cooler, all  
>set low enough that it would not flow back into the gearbox during the early  
>laps before the pump was turned on. Keep in mind that I was running slicks 
>and  often ran where the track temps were high. 
>TR Regards, Hardy
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From Janzen at REcatalyst.com  Tue Nov 13 07:30:16 2012
From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Carbs, cams and distributors
Message-ID: <BC15A55D-0EDE-4992-8CB0-EE1DEE0630E9@REcatalyst.com>

Just writing to say thanks to all for input, and providing an update on where
this all shook out.
It started with SU piston clatter and looking for causes - Henry Frye and
others suggested I'd better start with the basics and check cam timing and
lash.  Turns out it was off by a tooth plus four degrees (the offset between
the choice of bolt holes on the gear).  The BFE M23-108 cam is now dialed in
to specs.
A leak-down test also gave perfect results - 5% or less across the board.
I also shipped the crank-triggered ignition module that was in the car off to
the manufacturer and they confirmed that it was not firing consistently
throughout the rev range, and at 15 years old or more, was not repairable.
Several of you suggested going back to a Lucas distributor (hmmm, really?) and
I got a "rebuilt" one through Jeff at Advanced Distributors.  This is clearly
better than new, both in appearance and in re-engineering, and cheaper than
almost any alternative.  Jeff says good durability and no points scatter up to
10,000 RPM , waaay above the 7,000 this engine is good for.

The E-prod TR4 now runs and sounds great with no carb clatter, idles at 1200,
and revs nicely (in the garage, anyway) so the real test will be Summit Point
- Turkey Bowl - Thanksgiving weekend.  Hope it's not snowing!  After that,
I'll have to decide whether to take this car back to vintage specs or keep it
around as-is, with fiberglass flares and racing slicks.


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 18:34:22 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>

You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than the
old machine shop was).

I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any given
point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an iPhone
with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary event
so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.

Duncan Charlton


On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:

> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid I
might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>
> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short shuttle.
Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a short
hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine shop would
have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of you CVAR
brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park our
cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>
> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
TR6's is space is limited.
>
> Bob Kramer


From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Nov 13 19:04:40 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:04:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
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Sweet. I wish I was partying down there already. I'm a big F1 junky, year in and year out, regardless of its crazy enterprise antics. 
Wave the FoT flag for us down there for us.
Seriously...wave one of those sweet FoT flags, a good camera shot of that ought to get a comment from David Hobbs...
Have fun, you lucky Texans and others that may attend. It should be very interesting.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing  
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22 
To: Fireball<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
Cc: FOT of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin

You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than the
old machine shop was).

I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any given
point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an iPhone
with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary event
so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.

Duncan Charlton


On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:

> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid I
might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>
> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short shuttle.
Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a short
hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine shop would
have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of you CVAR
brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park our
cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>
> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
TR6's is space is limited.
>
> Bob Kramer
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 19:13:31 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:13:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
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We should do that , I'll look up the app.



Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than the
old machine shop was).
>
> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
given point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an
iPhone with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary
event so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>
> Duncan Charlton
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>
>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid I
might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>
>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
shuttle. Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this
a short hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine
shop would have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any
of you CVAR brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us
park our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>
>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
TR6's is space is limited.
>>
>> Bob Kramer


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 19:17:32 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:17:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <1491781698-1352858679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1265820962-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <C9E7A231-552A-4221-BC70-411776A054CB@austin.rr.com>

I don't have a flag but I do have a banner. Are there any FOT coming from
around the country?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote:

> Sweet. I wish I was partying down there already. I'm a big F1 junky, year in
and year out, regardless of its crazy enterprise antics.
> Wave the FoT flag for us down there for us.
> Seriously...wave one of those sweet FoT flags, a good camera shot of that
ought to get a comment from David Hobbs...
> Have fun, you lucky Texans and others that may attend. It should be very
interesting.
>
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22
> To: Fireball<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
> Cc: FOT of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
> Austin
>
> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
> Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than
the
> old machine shop was).
>
> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
given
> point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an
iPhone
> with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary
event
> so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>
> Duncan Charlton
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>
>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid
I
> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
> keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>
>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
shuttle.
> Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a
short
> hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine shop
would
> have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of you
CVAR
> brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park our
> cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>
>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
> TR6's is space is limited.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
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>
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 19:19:06 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:19:06 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <6A416718-88AB-4FCB-B40D-39A334450BEF@austin.rr.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
	<6A416718-88AB-4FCB-B40D-39A334450BEF@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C658743C-0DCC-48C4-8737-87BAB663A0AC@austin.rr.com>

My 4s doesn't seem to offer that app. Can we go "old school" and text
locations?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> We should do that , I'll look up the app.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in
McKinney
> Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than
the
> old machine shop was).
>>
>> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
> given point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got
an
> iPhone with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the
temporary
> event so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>>
>> Duncan Charlton
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid
I
> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
> keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>>
>>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
> shuttle. Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make
this
> a short hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine
> shop would have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do
any
> of you CVAR brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let
us
> park our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>>
>>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
> TR6's is space is limited.
>>>
>>> Bob Kramer
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>
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Tue Nov 13 19:31:58 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:31:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] More about racing with overdrives
Message-ID: <61c4.e058376.3dd45c9e@aol.com>

By measuring the overdrive pressure and oil temp, it became clear that  
using enough pressure and volume to keep the wet clutch slippage to a minimum  
reduced the oil temp build up and reduced the clutch surface damage.   
Flakes from the clutch can clog the oil filter, and the brake ring can turn  
blue. Needless to say I was not lifting when shifting.
 
TR Regards,
 
Hardy


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 19:32:44 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:32:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <C658743C-0DCC-48C4-8737-87BAB663A0AC@austin.rr.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
	<6A416718-88AB-4FCB-B40D-39A334450BEF@austin.rr.com>
	<C658743C-0DCC-48C4-8737-87BAB663A0AC@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <28482CC4-38D3-405B-91B9-F899F3A760CE@gmail.com>

I downloaded it in the last couple of days through iTunes or through the App
Store on my regular iPhone 4. I'm pretty sure it was free.  Or perhaps it was
an automatic part of the latest version upgrade, which I did last week
sometime.

Otherwise we could text, yet it may be too noisy to recognize the incoming
text (and there may be enough vibration/crowd jostling/general excitement to
be unaware of an incoming text on a phone set to vibrate only.

Duncan


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Bob Kramer wrote:

> My 4s doesn't seem to offer that app. Can we go "old school" and text
locations?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> We should do that , I'll look up the app.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in
McKinney
>> Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than
the
>> old machine shop was).
>>>
>>> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
>> given point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got
an
>> iPhone with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the
temporary
>> event so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>>>
>>> Duncan Charlton
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
>> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid
I
>> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance
and
>> keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>>>
>>>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
>> shuttle. Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make
this
>> a short hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old
machine
>> shop would have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do
any
>> of you CVAR brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let
us
>> park our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>>>
>>>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
>> TR6's is space is limited.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Kramer
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Nov 13 19:37:35 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:37:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
Message-ID: <mailman.195.1638251582.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

FoT

Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold. In
a hurry

to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
my post season

measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
expecting everything to be 

well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
up with a 

consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
at 59 -60 degrees.

So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
out at 92 degrees.

The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
at a 32 degree increase in temp.

The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most part
at 60 degrees.

jim g


From vangoughv at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 20:03:40 2012
From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:03:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <20121114024618.C063F2D06E7@autox.team.net>
References: <20121114024618.C063F2D06E7@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <SNT402-EAS440C8D7275226D7A0C063A5B2530@phx.gbl>

Wow those are some interesting numbers..

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-13, at 9:47 PM, "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> FoT
>
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
>
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
> my post season
>
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be
>
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
> up with a
>
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
>
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
>
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
>
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
>
> jim g
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Wed Nov 14 07:13:48 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:13:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <C9E7A231-552A-4221-BC70-411776A054CB@austin.rr.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
	<1491781698-1352858679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1265820962-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry>
	<C9E7A231-552A-4221-BC70-411776A054CB@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000601cdc272$44bbefc0$ce33cf40$@aero>

I will be there all weekend.  We have General Admission passes so I can't be
sure where we will end up sitting.

Look for the Royal Canadian Air Force Flag, we will be underneath it.

http://shop.flagshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d0
8d6e5fb8d27136e95/f/l/flag-military-can-air-force_1.gif

Robert MacKenzie

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Kramer
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:18 PM
To: jason at multivintage.com
Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
Austin

I don't have a flag but I do have a banner. Are there any FOT coming from
around the country?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote:

> Sweet. I wish I was partying down there already. I'm a big F1 junky, 
> year in
and year out, regardless of its crazy enterprise antics.
> Wave the FoT flag for us down there for us.
> Seriously...wave one of those sweet FoT flags, a good camera shot of 
> that
ought to get a comment from David Hobbs...
> Have fun, you lucky Texans and others that may attend. It should be 
> very
interesting.
>
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22
> To: Fireball<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
> Cc: FOT of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend 
> in Austin
>
> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in 
> McKinney Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park 
> (closer than
the
> old machine shop was).
>
> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at 
> any
given
> point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got 
> an
iPhone
> with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary
event
> so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>
> Duncan Charlton
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>
>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. 
>> I
> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am 
> afraid
I
> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the 
> chance and keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>
>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
shuttle.
> Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a
short
> hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine 
> shop
would
> have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of 
> you
CVAR
> brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park 
> our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>
>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could 
>> bring
> TR6's is space is limited.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
> _______________________________________________
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>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 07:43:36 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:43:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <20121114024615.2CBFA2D0621@autox.team.net>
References: <20121114024615.2CBFA2D0621@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <707133FB-AFB0-4BB5-A4EE-95AB5E95F884@gmail.com>

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4
Red #6


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:

> FoT
>
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
>
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
> my post season
>
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be
>
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
> up with a
>
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
>
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
>
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
>
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
>
> jim g


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Nov 14 07:51:36 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:51:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <707133FB-AFB0-4BB5-A4EE-95AB5E95F884@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.196.1638251582.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

They are forged Wiseco's
jg

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:44 AM
To: Jim Gray
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 
Red #6


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:

> FoT
> 
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
> 
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and
started
> my post season
> 
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be 
> 
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was
coming
> up with a 
> 
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the
pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
> 
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
> 
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
> 
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
> 
> jim g


From list at mackenzie.aero  Wed Nov 14 09:53:26 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:53:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1 pass for Friday
Message-ID: <001201cdc288$91892f00$b49b8d00$@aero>

I have an extra General Admission Pass for the F1 event for Friday.

Free to a good home if you promise to use it.  You will have to pick it up
tomorrow or Friday AM.

Contact me on  (two one zero) four one five - five one zero seven 

Robert MacKenzie


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Nov 14 14:47:01 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:47:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <20121114150016.AB7FD2D07D9@autox.team.net>
References: <707133FB-AFB0-4BB5-A4EE-95AB5E95F884@gmail.com>
	<20121114150016.AB7FD2D07D9@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000801cdc2b1$94401500$bcc03f00$@com>

That must be why Wiseco wants 0.006 clearance with their forged pistons.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:52 AM
To: 'Duncan Charlton'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

They are forged Wiseco's
jg

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:44 AM
To: Jim Gray
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 
Red #6


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:

> FoT
> 
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
> 
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and
started
> my post season
> 
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be 
> 
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was
coming
> up with a 
> 
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the
pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
> 
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
> 
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
> 
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
> 
> jim g
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Nov 14 18:21:07 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:21:07 GMT
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
Message-ID: <20121114.202107.8884.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

Maybe that is why when I ran Wiseco's I was scoring cylinder walls running
their specified clearance.  They grow too much.  Had to run much more
clearance (don't ask me how much - it was too long ago since I stopped using
them) and that stopped the scoring.  Using custom made Diamond pistons and
cylinder wall scoring has not been a problem. Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Duncan Charlton'" <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:51:36 -0700

They are forged Wiseco's
jg

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:44 AM
To: Jim Gray
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4
Red #6



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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Nov 14 19:20:59 2012
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:20:59 -0800
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <20121114024611.ADC7A2D06C4@autox.team.net>
References: <20121114024611.ADC7A2D06C4@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <50A4518B.7000505@comcast.net>

I no longer build my own Spitfire engines so I'm not sure what the 
clearances are, but I have noticed something similar in the sound of the 
engine during warm up.  Last year, I ran some early season races where 
the temperature was down in the 40's over night.  Upon starting the 
engine, I had a noise that was evidently piston slap until the engine 
warmed up a bit.  Once warm, no noise and the engine ran great.  That 
went away once the low temps warmed up during the summer.  This year, we 
only ran in the summer and the piston slap was never noticeable.

On 11/13/2012 6:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:
> FoT
>
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold. In
> a hurry
>
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
> my post season
>
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be
>
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
> up with a
>
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
>
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
>
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
>
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most part
> at 60 degrees.
>
> jim g
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Nov 14 19:51:31 2012
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:51:31 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Re J-type OD enhancements for racing
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b2CjZPLKS3gKiwLsLAmZ7=vhcZ=4ruZ77xJ5=Kq0VuL=g@mail.gmail.com>

it seems most of you are talking about A type stuff, none of this is
relevant to the posters query on J type

if anyone wants a really tuff A type, then look for the ones made by
Italians A.E. Bianci under licence to Laycock, for Ferrari (330 models etc
up to 1965 when the 5 speed came into use). These use the "conventional"
Laycock front case but have a much bigger rear case with huge planet gears
and pins, to better handle the torque of the big ferrari

for the J type. we use modified Dolomite Sprint & Volvo ones as they have a
fuller front case making it less likely to distort. I still have the
laycock drawing re mods to the pistons in the early versions of these
o/d's, but as these have not been around for years , it is probably
irrelevant.

best to start with a unit from early 80's Volvo 244 or go buy a brand new
one from Gear Vendors in USA

the changes needed to the J type for race use are:

   - open up the Z port drilling
   - shim up annulus gear to reduce clutch travel to its absolute minimum
   - check the lining & carrier is true and not wobbling (this causes
   erratic contact patches)
   - fit new nitrided planet gear pins & cryo treat the gears & needle
   bearings
   - very careful assembly of the hydraulic valve in the solenoid


we get about 3-4 years racing per rebuild. we have no noticeable slippage
on change and can make a change into overdrive faster that a change of
gears. by using a carefully selected ratio set, we can get a very useable
3rd overdrive which we race with all the time in our Historic 2.5PI

Terry O' Beirne
Australia


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Nov 14 22:36:54 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:36:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.197.1638251582.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I 
was at ab

From igofaster at att.net  Thu Nov 15 18:17:37 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:17:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] new video
Message-ID: <1353028657.51428.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I posted a couple of videos on my YOUTUBE page.... Bobby Whitehead is my 
page..duh... not ALL Triumph although there are two glory sessions in my GT-6+ 
at TWS in February... so, no slagging me for a GTA post, I had to unload the 
Spitfire off my trailer to load the GTA... so, 2 Triumphs in the garage, one in 
the trailer...  so, still FOT FOREVER.. 

Bobby Whitehead


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Nov 15 18:22:08 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:22:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>

Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with no
problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat & true &
properly installed.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem turned
out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't have
giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it on
one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
liner then.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone.
i'm
>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 15 19:41:58 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:41:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>

Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to worry
about.




Joe Alexander

Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket


Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with no
problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat & true
&
properly installed.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem turned
out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't have
giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it on
one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
liner then.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone.
i'm
>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Nov 15 19:51:46 2012
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:51:46 -0000
Subject: No subject
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 06:58:09 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:58:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
In-Reply-To: <5C2F91B6-2AD6-4897-8D9E-456389BF3246@gmail.com>
References: <1353165866.91789.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<5C2F91B6-2AD6-4897-8D9E-456389BF3246@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73D0744A-4EF5-489E-B016-A9B86940DDB8@gmail.com>

Ed,
I gotta say this was done right with few exceptions.  Crowd control didn't
seem to be an issue very often (although you didn't want to get caught on the
wrong side of the pedestrian bridge at lunchtime) and there were may places to
get a good view.  We ended up watching from turn 19 where we could also see
turn 20, turn 1, and the Jumbotron directly across from us.  Turn 11 was
probably better even thought you can't see as much of the track.  There were
many passing attempts there and the Jumbotron screen is close and easy to see.
The slope is steep there (for those with general admission tickets) so one's
view wasn't as likely to be blocked by somebody in a folding chair camping out
in front of you as was the case at turn 19.  We had a grandstand seat at 6,
which I chose after studying the track map -- problem was, although we could
see a lot of the track from there, not much action occurred there.  I bought
the seat just in case the weather turned out to be rainy.  I'm very familiar
with the type of soil where the track is, having owned property with the exact
same type -- it's called "black gumbo" for a reason.  It sticks to your shoes
and before you know it you have six pounds of clay attached to each foot.
Many of the general admission observation points had little or no grass
growing yet and were covered with this soil.  Most attendees will never know
how nasty it would have been to have to walk through that soil, which would
have been tracked everywhere.

At any rate, it was great fun to be there.  Not sure I'll do it again since
I'm not that big a fan of F1 but it was nevertheless a good time.  I imagine
the other CVAR attendees would feel the same.

Duncan


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Nov 19 09:40:59 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:40:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
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References: <1353165866.91789.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<5C2F91B6-2AD6-4897-8D9E-456389BF3246@gmail.com>
	<73D0744A-4EF5-489E-B016-A9B86940DDB8@gmail.com>
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Ditto for me. Watched the race starting at T11 and walked back to our seats at
T2 . Saw a lot of action at 11 but passing wasn't all that common. It will be
great to race the TR's there. Thank you Bob Blake.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ed,
> I gotta say this was done right with few exceptions.  Crowd control didn't
> seem to be an issue very often (although you didn't want to get caught on
the
> wrong side of the pedestrian bridge at lunchtime) and there were may places
to
> get a good view.  We ended up watching from turn 19 where we could also see
> turn 20, turn 1, and the Jumbotron directly across from us.  Turn 11 was
> probably better even thought you can't see as much of the track.  There
were
> many passing attempts there and the Jumbotron screen is close and easy to
see.
> The slope is steep there (for those with general admission tickets) so
one's
> view wasn't as likely to be blocked by somebody in a folding chair camping
out
> in front of you as was the case at turn 19.  We had a grandstand seat at 6,
> which I chose after studying the track map -- problem was, although we
could
> see a lot of the track from there, not much action occurred there.  I
bought
> the seat just in case the weather turned out to be rainy.  I'm very
familiar
> with the type of soil where the track is, having owned property with the
exact
> same type -- it's called "black gumbo" for a reason.  It sticks to your
shoes
> and before you know it you have six pounds of clay attached to each foot.
> Many of the general admission observation points had little or no grass
> growing yet and were covered with this soil.  Most attendees will never
know
> how nasty it would have been to have to walk through that soil, which would
> have been tracked everywhere.
>
> At any rate, it was great fun to be there.  Not sure I'll do it again since
> I'm not that big a fan of F1 but it was nevertheless a good time.  I
imagine
> the other CVAR attendees would feel the same.
>
> Duncan
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Nov 19 10:51:14 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:51:14 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Dick Hughes -nice TR3 video
In-Reply-To: <6168426.1353198960186.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <6168426.1353198960186.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W13F88931E56CD30C80A1C9DF560@phx.gbl>

When out at the last race at Willow Springs a couple weeks ago Peggy & I
looked this car over, up at the top of the hill, tried to find the owner when
I saw the FOT sign, but had no idea who to look for, anyway wonderful looking
car. Great video, nice treat for a retired guy. I'll have to think about that
when I get old. :-)

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:35:59 -0500
> From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Dick Hughes -nice TR3 video
>
> Here's a nice video I discovered which highlights TR3 Owner, Dick Hughes.
Dick has a 50-year racing history, a trained operatic voice, and is an
all-around great guy.
>
> Dick retired from vintage racing last year, check out this video.
>
> http://www.petrolicious.com/articles/triumph
>
> ~Steve
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Nov 19 10:55:58 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:55:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
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	<73D0744A-4EF5-489E-B016-A9B86940DDB8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3CF41C9750C14B539BCDB7869D02F604@Vista>

Duncan,
According to the Speed Channel's program covering the building of the
circuit, several tons of that soil were removed from the track area so that
it could be replaced by a more stable substance in order to keep the track
from sinking.  I can still remember walking through that stuff as a younger
version of myself.  The further you walk, the taller you become.

Cheers,
Joe C.

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Duncan Charlton
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 6:58 AM
To: EDWARD BARNARD
Cc: FOT of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re: Frequencies for the weekend??

Ed,
I gotta say this was done right with few exceptions.  Crowd control didn't
seem to be an issue very often (although you didn't want to get caught on
the
wrong side of the pedestrian bridge at lunchtime) and there were may places
to
get a good view.  We ended up watching from turn 19 where we could also see
turn 20, turn 1, and the Jumbotron directly across from us.  Turn 11 was
probably better even thought you can't see as much of the track.  There were
many passing attempts there and the Jumbotron screen is close and easy to
see.
The slope is steep there (for those with general admission tickets) so one's
view wasn't as likely to be blocked by somebody in a folding chair camping
out
in front of you as was the case at turn 19.  We had a grandstand seat at 6,
which I chose after studying the track map -- problem was, although we could
see a lot of the track from there, not much action occurred there.  I bought
the seat just in case the weather turned out to be rainy.  I'm very familiar
with the type of soil where the track is, having owned property with the
exact
same type -- it's called "black gumbo" for a reason.  It sticks to your
shoes
and before you know it you have six pounds of clay attached to each foot.
Many of the general admission observation points had little or no grass
growing yet and were covered with this soil.  Most attendees will never know
how nasty it would have been to have to walk through that soil, which would
have been tracked everywhere.

At any rate, it was great fun to be there.  Not sure I'll do it again since
I'm not that big a fan of F1 but it was nevertheless a good time.  I imagine
the other CVAR attendees would feel the same.

Duncan
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 11:34:31 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:34:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
In-Reply-To: <3CF41C9750C14B539BCDB7869D02F604@Vista>
References: <1353165866.91789.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><5C2F91B6-2AD6-4897-8D9E-456389BF3246@gmail.com>
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	<3CF41C9750C14B539BCDB7869D02F604@Vista>
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Joe,

I also had heard that.  Same story when they talked about moving the city
airport to Manor several decades ago.  I tried to imagine how much excavation
it would take to build the Roman road version of a runway out there on the
Blackland Prairie.  At the time I'd been flying an ultralight miniMAX out of
Bird's Nest airport, about a mile from the proposed municipal airport site,
where there was only about 300 feet of decent runway (out of 3200 feet), right
in the middle.

If you walked in black gumbo, maybe you also had to shovel it.  Very hard when
dry, but it would stick to your shovel when wet enough to dig.  You used your
boot to push it off the shovel, and then...

Duncan


On Nov 19, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Joe Curry wrote:

> Duncan,
> According to the Speed Channel's program covering the building of the
> circuit, several tons of that soil were removed from the track area so that
> it could be replaced by a more stable substance in order to keep the track
> from sinking.  I can still remember walking through that stuff as a younger
> version of myself.  The further you walk, the taller you become.
>
> Cheers,
> Joe C.


From mmoore at wave1.net  Mon Nov 19 13:31:07 2012
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:31:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
Message-ID: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>

Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
the job without breaking the bank?

 

Thanks

Mike

62 TR4

 

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

 

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 19 14:20:44 2012
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:20:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] US GP
Message-ID: <E97E4A27-4D4A-4D4A-9638-7B91A944C648@btinternet.com>

Guys,

What a circuit, looks truly magnificent and a real advertisement for F1in the
USA; gave us the best race of the season in my opinion.

Keith


From SpiwakD at aol.com  Fri Nov 16 12:43:23 2012
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:43:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: school bus racing
Message-ID: <49ec9.629fd3c8.3dd7f15b@aol.com>

____________________________________
 From: frankskepton at yahoo.com
To: SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: 11/16/2012  1:00:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: school bus racing



new to me but looks interesting... it must happen right after the  
demolition derby!  
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7fQz4xzW4_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7fQz4xzW4)    


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 15:32:16 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:32:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
In-Reply-To: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
References: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
Message-ID: <B09E1877-6BDA-4F2C-BA97-C8956A2205B0@gmail.com>

Mike,
I assume you don't mean an infrared hand-held one for checking exhaust
manifolds, tire temps etc., but instead an exhaust gas temperature gauge to
mount on the dash.  Try Wicks Aircraft or Aircraft Spruce and Specialty if you
want a dual or quad EGT to check more than one location -- here's a Westach
quad for $235 but you'll have to pay more for the senders:
http://tinyurl.com/ccvxyj2.  These are used in many homebuilt aircraft and are
not too expensive.  Another source is 42Draft designs.com (42 Draft Designs,
1554 Millersville Rd, Millersville, MD 21108 Phone: 410-923-0411) -- they have
a Vision series VDO EGT gauge for $130.  I bought something similar a few
years ago because they had a style that was a close match to the other gauges
in my Vixen 21td motorhome.

Duncan
(Texas)


On Nov 19, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Mike Moore wrote:

> Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
> the job without breaking the bank?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> 62 TR4
>
>
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
>
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
>
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From igofaster at att.net  Mon Nov 19 15:49:41 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:49:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire for Sale
Message-ID: <1353365381.12399.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Car for Sale, delete if not interested....

1965 Spitfire full race car for sale. It's a project. Complete. 1500 engine in 
car right now (close to running) a new rebuild on a 1300 small journal 030 over, 
balanced... bunch of new stuff and all the extras I can throw in,,, before I 
list it anywhere else, it's offered here... NEEDS COMPLETED, NOT Running at this 
moment... contact me off list if interested... $6000.00
Bobby Whitehead   igofaster at att.net


From triumphs at consolidated.net  Mon Nov 19 16:25:28 2012
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:25:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
In-Reply-To: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
References: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
Message-ID: <961C12D4-0137-471F-8652-EED50D659E24@consolidated.net>

Try

http://www.egauges.com/eg_typeI.asp?Type=Pyrometer&Face=All&Bezel=All&Lightin
g=All&Letter=All&Needle=All&Diameter=All&Manf=All

Kg

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 19, 2012, at 2:31 PM, "Mike Moore" <mmoore at wave1.net> wrote:

> Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
> the job without breaking the bank?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> 62 TR4
>
>
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
>
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
>
> Fax:        814-864-7383
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Nov 19 18:55:53 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:55:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
In-Reply-To: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
Message-ID: <mailman.199.1638251582.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

I use one of the Longacres, here's a link to one for $ 100.

Jim g. 

http://compare.ebay.com/like/290092036788?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes
&var=sbar

 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Moore
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:31 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer

Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
the job without breaking the bank?

 

Thanks

Mike

62 TR4

 

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

 

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 19 20:49:19 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:49:19 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
Message-ID: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Friends,

Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the history of my racing TR3.
Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it entertaining!


http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/

~STEVE


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 20 04:34:09 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:34:09 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
In-Reply-To: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000901cdc712$f75c9130$e615b390$@com>

Amazing video....best ever saw!!!!!

Thanks for sharing it!

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von steve
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. November 2012 04:49
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3

Friends,

Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the
history of my racing TR3.
Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it
entertaining!


http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/

~STEVE
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 20 04:38:54 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:38:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
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References: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Are in TV business?
Your videos (Willlow Springs) are so professional made.

Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von steve
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. November 2012 04:49
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3

Friends,

Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the
history of my racing TR3.
Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it
entertaining!


http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/

~STEVE
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 20 08:28:50 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:28:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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1/16" toe in is a good place to start.

Tony Drews

At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb ]
>front springs.
>Thanks
>--
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov 20 08:35:19 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Message-ID: <BCA9B700-CD80-4093-98F9-85C22073FD10@me.com>

looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.  
Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are warm?  25lb?


From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 11:00:56 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:00:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
In-Reply-To: <50aba1b5.a500450a.183b.ffffe360SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <CAMc4sNDH29Hja5D+YFJAXX94r+ie8VsF7h0H9PM9P4vW3P6pMA@mail.gmail.com>
	<50aba1b5.a500450a.183b.ffffe360SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
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Thanks Tony.

Is that each side is in a 1/16, or each a 32nd?  Will use the "strings"
method so I know what each side is doing.  Also, car now pulls to te left.
Steeing wheel is removable so can be set to any position to center.  Should
I hold the wheel straight as I come to a stop and then set each side from
that point, or should I move the wheel so that the left side is at 1/16th
in, then adjust the right, then reposition the wheel?

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> 1/16" toe in is a good place to start.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
>> What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb ]
>> front springs.
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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>
>


-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 20 11:55:38 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:55:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 20 12:06:42 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:06:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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What I said was:
1/16" total, or 1/32" on each side.  Up to 1/8" total Toe In would be 
acceptable.

You should center the rack first if possible, but I just point it 
straight ahead as I come to a stop.

Pulling to one side indicates something else not being the same from 
side to side.  I've got to chase a bit of that myself as I am pulling 
to the left under braking after my front suspension swap.  I'll try 
to do a much more detailed setting of camber and caster prior to 
re-doing the toe settings.

Tony

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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Nov 20 13:56:27 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:56:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
In-Reply-To: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CALCydYpq9qNuZnL7hhBJQ5mQhGgtjjhmRA0nXDfP2s3xJt03kQ@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,
Your photo history hits real close to home. Your family was on the Midwest
scene about a decade before mine. Those photos you spotlight from Blackhawk
and Road America etc. are visual images that play in my mind quite often.
Those were great times for me growing up at those same tracks (about 10
years later). Very nice little history sequence there...Thanks.
The neat details you provided will help me keep your family's Legendary
Triumph history alive back "home" here within Midwestern Council and VSCDA.
For the record, that car is still talked about here for its stout record of
solid performance... requiring little more at track effort than simply
being toweled down between sessions.
I remember it mostly from it's orange era, I had a similar colored "corgi
junior Morgan" that I used to pretend was your dad's TR3. At the track back
then, most of my time was spent reenacting the races in the dirt with my
toy cars.
Thanks for pointing toward your website....and to officially state the
obvious; that car... it's complete story... a real treasure!
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM, steve <colordog.1 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Friends,
>
> Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the
> history of my racing TR3.
> Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it
> entertaining!
>
>
> http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/
>
> ~STEVE
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 21 04:09:09 2012
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:09:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] MGB parts needed for racecar
Message-ID: <1353496149.62232.YahooMailNeo@web140804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Fellow FOT'ers..Looking for a set of MGB (any vintage) twin SU's, intake manifold & exhaust manifold or header. 

This is for (drum roll) an Austin Marina 24 Hours of LeMons car that some friends of mine are putting together 

(I donated the car to the project).

Now that you are done laughing...anyone got anything?

Proximity to NC is a plus, but shipping won't be TOO bad...I hope.


Please respond directly to me to save list bandwidth...thanks.

Jamie Palmer

tr6driver at yahoo.com


From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 21 09:40:44 2012
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:40:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] MGB Parts found...
Message-ID: <1353516044.71983.YahooMailNeo@web140803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Thanks to a friendly FOT'er, looks like the MGB parts have been located :-) 
(Thanks, Ed!)
 
Love you folks...  :-)
 
Jamie


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Nov 21 11:12:12 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:12:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR6 slave cylinder question
Message-ID: <895749813.393745.1353521532702.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello Friends, 
I need to get a slave cylinder for my TR3 which now has the TR4A-TR6 trans, pressure plate and throwout brg. The master cylinder is a Wilwood 3/4" bore. 
I noticed that Moss lists a different part number for the TR4A and TR6. Can anyone share some info on this and the correct cylinder needed. 
Thanks, 
Dave 


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Nov 21 14:47:34 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:47:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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http://michaelbulgergolf.com/wp-content/themes/theme1439/likeit.php?distant291.img


From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Nov 20 04:59:23 2012
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 06:59:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: school bus racing
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Yet another group to be formed in $VRA!

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new to me but looks interesting... it must happen right after the demolition
derby!  
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7fQz4xzW4_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7fQz4xzW4)    
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Nov 21 15:47:10 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:47:10 GMT
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Message-ID: <20121121.174710.29950.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)

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From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500

looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are warm?
25lb?
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Wed Nov 21 15:52:20 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:52:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re:  front toe setting for racing TR6
Message-ID: <18a17.14b2ae61.3ddeb524@aol.com>

This reminds me of my time before correcting the bump and rebound changes  
in my TR's system; part of the process is to exactly center the rack  First. 
 The TR had 1.2" toe in on full bump, 1.7" toe Out on  rebound; trying to 
set to 1\32" was some what futile.  Yes, we are talking  inches here!
 
TR Regards,
 
Hardy

 

Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:06:42 -0600
From: Tony Drews  <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley"  <triosan at gmail.com>, Friends
<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] front toe setting for racing  TR6
Message-ID:  <mailman.10.1353524402.27956.fot at autox.team.net>
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What I said was:
1/16"  total, or 1/32" on each side.  Up to 1/8" total Toe In would be  
acceptable.

You should center the rack first if possible, but I just  point it 
straight ahead as I come to a stop.

Pulling to one side  indicates something else not being the same from 
side to side.  I've  got to chase a bit of that myself as I am pulling 
to the left under braking  after my front suspension swap.  I'll try 
to do a much more detailed  setting of camber and caster prior to 
re-doing the toe  settings.

Tony


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Nov 21 16:29:48 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:29:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
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Where is it legal to run slicks?

Sent from my iPhone

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> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>
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> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>
> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
warm?
> 25lb?
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 21 22:13:41 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:13:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
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	<32EF0648-9A26-42D9-85B3-2ED0E7D14C0C@gdhs.com>
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I run 19 on my  2200 lbs TR6.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:29 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
>> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
>> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>>
>> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
>> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
> warm?
>> 25lb?
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Thu Nov 22 03:49:51 2012
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:49:51 +1100
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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	<20121120152818.3F7DD438F6@autox.team.net>
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I run 2mm toe out to give better turn in
Geoff Byrne 
TR6 Racer down under

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Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 2:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6

1/16" toe in is a good place to start.

Tony Drews

At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb 
>] front springs.
>Thanks
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Nov 22 05:49:29 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 07:49:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl
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Amici

I will be at the bowl Saturday with some badges and flags if anyone wants one
or a few. I hope to see flags and badges on the cars.

Half of all sales gets donated to the FOT fund.

See you there


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Nov 22 06:23:29 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
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It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the Miatas.  Recommended, even.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
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Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?

Where is it legal to run slicks?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:

> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>
> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
warm?
> 25lb?
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 22 06:56:35 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:56:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
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	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>

Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little love
taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to be out there with them.

Marty
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> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
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> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 22 07:09:22 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 06:09:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNCvM+wgiiiuHPZmTdgxM0qsnSf_7HLZDvnk760W1CvqUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc4sNDH29Hja5D+YFJAXX94r+ie8VsF7h0H9PM9P4vW3P6pMA@mail.gmail.com>
	<50aba1b5.a500450a.183b.ffffe360SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<CAMc4sNCvM+wgiiiuHPZmTdgxM0qsnSf_7HLZDvnk760W1CvqUA@mail.gmail.com>
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Depends on a lot of things, width of front track,width of tire wheel combo,
offset of wheel. With slicks I run1/16th total toe-in with the narrower tire
wheel combo that I ran at the Mitty, I found that 0 toe handled better. 

Mike
________________________________
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<triosan at gmail.com>
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>; Friends
<fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:00 PM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
 
Thanks Tony.

Is that each side is in
a 1/16, or each a 32nd?  Will use the "strings"
method so I know what each
side is doing.  Also, car now pulls to te left.
Steeing wheel is removable so
can be set to any position to center.  Should
I hold the wheel straight as I
come to a stop and then set each side from
that point, or should I move the
wheel so that the left side is at 1/16th
in, then adjust the right, then
reposition the wheel?

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Tony Drews
<tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> 1/16" toe in is a good place to start.
>
> Tony
Drews
>
> At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
>> What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb ]
>>
front springs.
>> Thanks
>> --
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>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 22 07:20:50 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:20:50 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
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References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a101cdc8bc$9402a2e0$bc07e8a0$@com>

I didn't know that the NASA maintains car racing.
"Huston, this is 'finish line', we've got a problem"
:-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von marty sukey
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. November 2012 14:57
Cc: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little
love taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I
would want to be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
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> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they
> > are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 08:37:54 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:37:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies, Thanks
Message-ID: <874870896.418343.1353598674533.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thanks to everyone for the replies to my slave cylinder question. I now know what I need to know and then some. 
I really appreciate the info, 
Dave 


From igofaster at att.net  Thu Nov 22 08:59:36 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 07:59:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I too saw the Playboy Cup at Road Atlanta with the Miatas running at speed in 
competition... it was like mini-Nascar....  bumping and rubbing all over the 
place...sounded like a hornets nest all stirred up....   Bobby Whitehead







________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 22, 2012 8:00:51 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little love
taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 22 09:11:32 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:11:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR if you missed the original offer and more.
Message-ID: <8CF96E32B9B7FA8-1AE0-A1F9@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com>

100 California Air DVDs have been distributed in North America.

200 California Air  DVDs have been distributed elsewhere, by John Clancy.

I am getting ready to import more .

www.triumphdvd.co.uk   has trailers and more selections.

I will special order those other selections if you wish to add your favorite
model of Triumph to your archives. hurry on those, if you will.

John Clancy has done Triumph proud.

Let me know if you want me to reserve a California Air for you.  THANKS!



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 22 09:16:30 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:16:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
	<1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CF96E3DD5DE612-1AE0-A23C@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com>

At ROAD AMERICA the two MIATA PLAYBOY CUP leaders wrecked just yards in front
of the Checkered Flag.  Both were spinning when they crossed the line.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 10:04 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas


I too saw the Playboy Cup at Road Atlanta with the Miatas running at speed in
competition... it was like mini-Nascar....  bumping and rubbing all over the
place...sounded like a hornets nest all stirred up....   Bobby Whitehead







________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 22, 2012 8:00:51 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little
love
taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 09:17:31 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:17:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re:  front toe setting for racing TR6
In-Reply-To: <18a17.14b2ae61.3ddeb524@aol.com>
References: <18a17.14b2ae61.3ddeb524@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C8C6B2EE-11F4-4C28-A43B-59382A0FEA05@comcast.net>

I found that by eliminating the front spring spacers combined with lowered
comp springs the steering rack centers itself.
Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Catpusher at aol.com wrote:

> This reminds me of my time before correcting the bump and rebound changes
> in my TR's system; part of the process is to exactly center the rack  First.
> The TR had 1.2" toe in on full bump, 1.7" toe Out on  rebound; trying to
> set to 1\32" was some what futile.  Yes, we are talking  inches here!
>
> TR Regards,
>
> Hardy
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:06:42 -0600
> From: Tony Drews  <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley"  <triosan at gmail.com>, Friends
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] front toe setting for racing  TR6
> Message-ID:  <mailman.10.1353524402.27956.fot at autox.team.net>
> Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> What I said was:
> 1/16"  total, or 1/32" on each side.  Up to 1/8" total Toe In would be
> acceptable.
>
> You should center the rack first if possible, but I just  point it
> straight ahead as I come to a stop.
>
> Pulling to one side  indicates something else not being the same from
> side to side.  I've  got to chase a bit of that myself as I am pulling
> to the left under braking  after my front suspension swap.  I'll try
> to do a much more detailed  setting of camber and caster prior to
> re-doing the toe  settings.
>
> Tony
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Nov 22 09:52:19 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:52:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Transmission Lube
Message-ID: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>

I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to know what the
consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in a TR6 and
regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Nov 22 10:44:31 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:44:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <bf1bbb22-5a79-4dbd-a165-266cb3a357d5@blur>
References: <bf1bbb22-5a79-4dbd-a165-266cb3a357d5@blur>
Message-ID: <cd9233e7-f863-4f2a-8ffb-b53decf545fa@blur>

I have been using MTL in my 4-speed GT6 trans in the Spitfire for a bunch of years.   So far so good.  For their J-type overdrive, John Esposito recommends straight 30-weight non-detergent oil (try your local ag store, such as Fleet Farm, etc.).  Don't know if that would be different for the A-type.

Scott B.


Scott Barr
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-----Original message-----
From: Sam <trdoctor at aol.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>, "6-pack at autox.team.net" <6-pack at autox.team.net>, "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 16:51:35 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Fot] Transmission Lube

I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to know what the
consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in a TR6 and
regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 11:52:28 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:52:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies
In-Reply-To: <484815655.419306.1353601547158.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1946906174.422264.1353610348792.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT, I guess that I should share what I've learned about TR slave cylinders. 
It seams that either TR4A or TR6 slave cylinder will work. Attention needs to be paid to the push rod length, an adjustable rod is available and I've been informed that the TR6 slave has an internal return spring compared to the external spring on the earlier units. Later TR3s through TR4A use the same slave. 
Thanks again, 
Dave 


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Nov 22 12:41:48 2012
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (K LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:41:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Happy Day with friends & family !
Message-ID: <BLU151-ds20F466741080A72808A6E7B75B0@phx.gbl>

To all of you from Subprime Vintage Racing,
Happy Thanksgiving !

Kev Lynch
#6


From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Nov 22 14:36:46 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:36:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
In-Reply-To: <49D64C3F-D486-487B-8EF7-A965AA1271E5@yahoo.com>
References: <20121121.174710.29950.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>,
	<32EF0648-9A26-42D9-85B3-2ED0E7D14C0C@gdhs.com>,
	<49D64C3F-D486-487B-8EF7-A965AA1271E5@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT141-W412097FECB78B3BCB59269B25B0@phx.gbl>

Do you NOT set pressures/camber using tire temps ? The infra red heat guns are
worthless to check tires temps. as they only check surface temps.  Use a probe
type pyrometer . check the tire in 3 places across the tread
(inner-centre-outer) Hot in the centre will tell you too much pressure etcetc.
Every track/driver is different.   Hope this piece of info will help someone
:) Tony Garmey
 > From: fasttrs at yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:13:41 -0500
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> I run 19 on my  2200 lbs TR6.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:29 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>
> > Where is it legal to run slicks?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
> >>
> >> ---------- Original Message ----------
> >> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> >> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> >> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >>
> >> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> >> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
> > warm?
> >> 25lb?
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> fot at autox.team.net
> >>
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From rikrock at live.com  Thu Nov 22 17:06:02 2012
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:06:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl
Message-ID: <BAY403-EAS189CCABB0F2B588144F750FC65A0@phx.gbl>

Scott Janzen will be there with his TR4 and I'll be there with my TR6-powered
TVR.

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Christopher Bock
Sent: 11/22/2012 7:59 AM
To: FoTTriumph
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl

Amici

I will be at the bowl Saturday with some badges and flags if anyone wants one
or a few. I hope to see flags and badges on the cars.

Half of all sales gets donated to the FOT fund.

See you there
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 22 17:07:18 2012
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:07:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
	<1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1353629238.12814.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Ran the Club Rabbit in group 2 ICSCC for 6 years with about 30 Miata's in the
group.  It took a while  to get used to.  Left tire marks on more than on
Miata and pleanty of dents and marks the the CR.  My race start theory in
Portland is to not lose and spots at the start and avoid the wreck in the
Chicane which usually took 8 cars out at the start. You were ahead 8 spots
pretty quickly that way.  It was strange to start vintage racing where most of
the drivers are pretty respectful.  I would say that running the TR4 in
SOVREN  feels more like a giant team with everyone helping each other.  
 
Mike Mehl
 

________________________________
 From: Bobby Whitehead
<igofaster at att.net>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> 
Cc: FoT Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:59 AM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
  
I too saw the Playboy Cup at Road Atlanta with
the Miatas running at speed in 
competition... it was like mini-Nascar.... 
bumping and rubbing all over the 
place...sounded like a hornets nest all
stirred up....   Bobby Whitehead







________________________________
From:
marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu,
November 22, 2012 8:00:51 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of
hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year
(watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those
guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going
at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running
into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little love
taps
and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to
be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
>
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
>
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re:
[Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in
Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended,
even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
>
www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com/>
>
>
> -----Original
message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch
<jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent:
Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for
Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from
my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch"
<jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my
TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott
Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle
slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a
starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50
degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
> >
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Nov 22 17:35:57 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 00:35:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-W412097FECB78B3BCB59269B25B0@phx.gbl>
References: <20121121.174710.29950.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>, ,
	<32EF0648-9A26-42D9-85B3-2ED0E7D14C0C@gdhs.com>, ,
	<49D64C3F-D486-487B-8EF7-A965AA1271E5@yahoo.com>,
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Message-ID: <SNT120-W195D9B0C74E720EE5295FEDF5A0@phx.gbl>

To add to Tony's words, do not be bound by the tire companies words.  The tire
is a spring and it depends on YOUR car and springing and suspension how it
works.  EXPIRMENT.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > From: horizonracing at msn.com
> To: fasttrs at yahoo.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:36:46 -0800
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Do you NOT set pressures/camber using tire temps ? The infra red heat guns
are
> worthless to check tires temps. as they only check surface temps.  Use a
probe
> type pyrometer . check the tire in 3 places across the tread
> (inner-centre-outer) Hot in the centre will tell you too much pressure
etcetc.
> Every track/driver is different.   Hope this piece of info will help
someone
> :) Tony Garmey
>  > From: fasttrs at yahoo.com
> > Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:13:41 -0500
> > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> >
> > I run 19 on my  2200 lbs TR6.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:29 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Where is it legal to run slicks?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
> > >>
> > >> ---------- Original Message ----------
> > >> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > >> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > >> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> > >>
> > >> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > >> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they
are
> > > warm?
> > >> 25lb?
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 19:03:43 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:03:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>

I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for  
15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of  
recommendations from this great list.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:

> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to  
> know what the
> consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in  
> a TR6 and
> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri Nov 23 07:12:16 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:12:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph DVD's by John Clancy
Message-ID: <50AF8440.4010801@bright.net>

List, we have these videos in stock.  They are on the home page of our 
website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com.  We have had these for over a 
year.  We featured them at the recent Mitty and John and his wife were 
available at our booth to talk about the videos, sign them, etc. As a 
special from now until Jan 1, videos, regularly $25 + shipping are $20 
including shipping.  Yes,  California Air is on the list. Or, any parts 
order over $100, new - used - stock - performance - rebuilt parts, 
receives a DVD of your choice for $5. Thanks foryour time. Hope everyone 
has a great holiday week-end. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
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Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Nov 23 14:24:42 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl
Message-ID: <7AAFBBB6-D5DF-40B8-A068-0E7925B3497F@aol.com>

Due to unforeseen circumstances I will not be able to attend the races.  

Sorry
Chris


From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 24 08:59:06 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>

I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7 of 8
tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and checking
geometry.

I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket was
burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground back as
well.

Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
feathering back the sleeves as well.

Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
worry
> about.
>
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>
>
> Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with
no
> problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
true
> &
> properly installed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>
>> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
> about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
turned
> out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
have
> giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
> the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
on
> one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> liner then.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
gone.
> i'm
>>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Nov 24 10:54:16 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:54:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
	<7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.203.1638251582.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

You can't really "grind back" the composite gasket and still have it 
seal.  You need to gingerly uncrimp the sandwich around the valve 
pocket, then cut back the inner asbestos-like material, then gingerly 
recrimp the two copper sides back together.  It's easy to tear the 
copper in the process.

Tony

At 09:59 AM 11/24/2012, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I 
>broke 7 of 8 tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am 
>fixing that and checking geometry.
>
>I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 
>gasket was burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves 
>are not ground back as well.
>
>Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be 
>feathering back the sleeves as well.
>
>Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
>
>Thx
>
>Ty
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>(Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
>On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less 
> thing to worry
> > about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> >
> >
> > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger 
> valve with no
> > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are 
> flat & true
> > &
> > properly installed.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
> > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket 
> problem turned
> > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I 
> don't have
> > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
> > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something 
> supporting it on
> > one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> > liner then.
> >>
> >> Tony Drews
> >>
> >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
> >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve 
> pockets are gone.
> > i'm
> >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
> >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> fot at autox.team.net
> >>>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Nov 24 12:58:03 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:58:03 +0000
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>,
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>,
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>,
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>,
	<7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W21B5509575B14C4390A17FDF590@phx.gbl>

If you try to cut back a composite gasket you have a good chance of having the
thin copper face parts facing into  the flame of combustion which is going
heat the copper red hot quickly, this will start pre-ignition and then
detonation. Result, dead engine. In a few words. DON'T DO IT.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>
> I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7 of
8
> tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and
checking
> geometry.
>
> I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket
was
> burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground back
as
> well.
>
> Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
> feathering back the sleeves as well.
>
> Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
>
> Thx
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
> worry
> > about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> >
> >
> > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve
with
> no
> > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
> true
> > &
> > properly installed.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was
at
> > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
> turned
> > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
> have
> > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to
match
> > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
> on
> > one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> > liner then.
> >>
> >> Tony Drews
> >>
> >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
> >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
> gone.
> > i'm
> >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
> >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Nov 25 10:21:50 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:21:50 GMT
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Message-ID: <20121125.122150.8330.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

Valve spring height will depend on what valves, retainers, springs and seat
pressure you are using.  I am using BFE valves, springs and titanium retainers
and use a 1.6 inch spring height.  I have to use spring seats and shims to
achieve that.  I have redline set at 7300 rpm and want to be sure that I don't
float the valves, so my seat pressure is higher than what some may run.
Sorry, but I don't have my notes handy to tell you what the spring pressures
are.  210 pounds at 0.5 inch lift seams to ring a bell.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700

I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7 of
8
tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and checking
geometry.

I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket was
burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground back
as
well.

Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
feathering back the sleeves as well.

Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
worry
> about.
>
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>
>
> Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with
no
> problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
true
> &
> properly installed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>
>> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
> about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
turned
> out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
have
> giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
> the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
on
> one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> liner then.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
gone.
> i'm
>>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Nov 25 10:30:25 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:30:25 GMT
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Message-ID: <20121125.123025.8330.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

I run slicks with SCCA.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
Cc: "sjanzen at me.com" <sjanzen at me.com>,        "fot at autox.team.net"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:29:48 -0500

Where is it legal to run slicks?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:

> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>
> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
warm?
> 25lb?
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov 22 12:23:34 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:23:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies
In-Reply-To: <1946906174.422264.1353610348792.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1353612214.46342.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I could be mistaken but I believe there is also a difference in the overall length of the cylinder, which requires it to be mounted on the opposite side of the mounting bracket.
JMTC
-Ed-

--- On Thu, 11/22/12, davehogye <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:


From: davehogye <dlhogye at comcast.net>
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 12:52 PM


FoT, I guess that I should share what I've learned about TR slave cylinders. 
It seams that either TR4A or TR6 slave cylinder will work. Attention needs to be paid to the push rod length, an adjustable rod is available and I've been informed that the TR6 slave has an internal return spring compared to the external spring on the earlier units. Later TR3s through TR4A use the same slave. 
Thanks again, 
Dave 
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 20:59:06 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:59:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W21B5509575B14C4390A17FDF590@phx.gbl>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
	<7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
	<SNT120-W21B5509575B14C4390A17FDF590@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A87E66AE-B5AD-4E35-B15F-B39ACDFFF15A@yahoo.com>

Thanks Kas! I need all the advice I can get.

Happy Holidays

Ty

Sent from my iPhone

'63 Triumph TR4 DP Racecar
'62 Triumph TR4 RestoMod (Project)
++++


On Nov 24, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> If you try to cut back a composite gasket you have a good chance of having
the thin copper face parts facing into  the flame of combustion which is going
heat the copper red hot quickly, this will start pre-ignition and then
detonation. Result, dead engine. In a few words. DON'T DO IT.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
> > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700
> > To: n197tr4 at cs.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> >
> > I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7
of 8
> > tops of the outer valve springs and one inner. I am fixing that and
checking
> > geometry.
> >
> > I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket
was
> > burnt where the gasket was not ground back. My sleeves are not ground back
as
> > well.
> >
> > Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
> > feathering back the sleeves as well.
> >
> > Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Ty
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > (Please excuse any errors or typos)
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing
to
> > worry
> > > about.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe Alexander
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> > >
> > >
> > > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve
with
> > no
> > > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
> > true
> > > &
> > > properly installed.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it. I was
at
> > > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
> > turned
> > > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem. I don't
> > have
> > > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to
match
> > > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting
it
> > on
> > > one side in the pocket that disappeared. I put the seam side against
the
> > > liner then.
> > >>
> > >> Tony Drews
> > >>
> > >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> > >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a
milled
> > >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
> > gone.
> > > i'm
> > >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
> > >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> fot at autox.team.net
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 21:06:17 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:06:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
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Message-ID: <0954DF4D-1FB5-4FC0-9266-077152091D49@yahoo.com>

The car came with a new steel gasket. I will take some measurements to see how
thick it is.

Thanks Tony

Ty

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'62 Triumph TR4 RestoMod (Project)
++++


On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> You can't really "grind back" the composite gasket and still have it seal.
You need to gingerly uncrimp the sandwich around the valve pocket, then cut
back the inner asbestos-like material, then gingerly recrimp the two copper
sides back together.  It's easy to tear the copper in the process.
>
> Tony
>
> At 09:59 AM 11/24/2012, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>> I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7
of 8 tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and
checking geometry.
>>
>> I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket
was burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground
back as well.
>>
>> Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
feathering back the sleeves as well.
>>
>> Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> Ty
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
worry
>> > about.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Joe Alexander
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>> >
>> >
>> > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve
with no
>> > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
true
>> > &
>> > properly installed.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was
at
>> > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
turned
>> > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
have
>> > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to
match
>> > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
on
>> > one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against
the
>> > liner then.
>> >>
>> >> Tony Drews
>> >>
>> >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>> >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>> >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
gone.
>> > i'm
>> >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>> >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
>> >>> _______________________________________________
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Nov 26 08:56:47 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:56:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
Message-ID: <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0@phx.gbl>

James Anthony Coan passed away Sunday in Los Angeles. Jimmy had been quit ill
for several years. Jim was my right hand man for years and years, then upon my
retirement, the Competition Manager for Triumph. Hard working, smart and a
neat guy, my old pal Jim.

Never be beaten by equipment


From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Nov 26 11:04:49 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:04:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Front Sway Bar?
Message-ID: <583C8C40-9C8A-4F27-B600-8CE7444EC378@comcast.net>

http://s1162.beta.photobucket.com/user/levi3451/library/Spitfire%20Front%20Sway%20Bar

Can anyone tell me what brand of front sway bar this is? It came on  
the Spit I bought in September. I've googled for similar ones with no  
luck.

I'm going to have to make some adjustments to it as the front tires  
rub and one tire (brand new Hoosier) is now shot. I guess that's part  
of the surprises you get from DPOs. It's been fun sorting out a number  
of little things getting it ready for next spring but that one was an  
unwelcome hit. But at least it was found in the shop and not on the  
track. All the more reason to go completely through a race car before  
risking life and limb on someone else's work.

Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)


From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov 26 12:02:11 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:02:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <50B3BCB3.5070403@bradakis.com>

That is sad news.   Many years ago I talked to him on the phone regarding
the GT6 I had at the time, he was a nice guy, willing to put up with me 
for a
few minutes.

mjb.


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:02:46 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:02:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>

I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those
old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1
gear changing !    Wooo Hooo

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> recommendations from this great list.
>
>
> Bud Rolofson
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > know what the
> > consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
> > a TR6 and
> > regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:58:10 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:58:10 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrGtEM724XL2Ek7FQ-p+LxEVr3LbjRobXMdCES8xFgP403S3g@mail.gmail.com>

I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.

Cheers
Chris
Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
> Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those
> old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1
> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> > 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> > recommendations from this great list.
> >
> >
> > Bud Rolofson
> >
> > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > > know what the
> > > consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
> > > a TR6 and
> > > regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> > >
> > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > >
> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov 26 15:16:36 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:16:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B55D5CC6-5A1C-487F-BAA1-65F816CADFB9@gdhs.com>

Robert.  How large did you enlarge the relief hole?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Robert Deanes <rfdeanes at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
> Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those
> old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1
> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
> 
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
>> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
>> recommendations from this great list.
>> 
>> 
>> Bud Rolofson
>> 
>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
>>> know what the
>>> consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
>>> a TR6 and
>>> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
>>> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>>> 
>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>> 
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> 
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Mon Nov 26 15:35:02 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:35:02 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>

Thanks for the response.  The more opinions I get the more I find there is not
a consensus.  In the early '90s when we got our TR3A I was reading the
Bentley's manual and I found the spot where they recommended the non detergent
30 weight oil.  I have several TRs and two of them use the A-Type OD and the
GT6 is, at this time, non OD.  I have an OD unit for it in the shop so that is
a future project.  When we got the GT6 the previous owner used MT90 and I
realized why.  Second gear, if rushed, barks on upshift not on down shift
which, to me, doesn't make sense.  Syncros, in my experience always barked on
down shift.  Any one that can enlighten me on this?  I was just looking for a
"one size fits all" solution.  The MT90 works good in the OD so at this time I
guess I'll continue to use it unless there is a compelling reason not to.
Thanks for all the responses and keep them coming!
Sam

On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Robert Deanes <rfdeanes at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those old
"A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1 gear
changing !    Wooo Hooo
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> recommendations from this great list.
>
>
> Bud Rolofson
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > know what the
> > consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
> > a TR6 and
> > regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe/Manage:
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Mon Nov 26 15:51:22 2012
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAPrGtEM724XL2Ek7FQ-p+LxEVr3LbjRobXMdCES8xFgP403S3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPrGtEM724XL2Ek7FQ-p+LxEVr3LbjRobXMdCES8xFgP403S3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301cdcc28$8ed515e0$ac7f41a0$@rr.com>

I presume you don't run that in cold weather.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Christian Marx
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:58 PM
To: Robert Deanes
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; Sam; fot at autox.team.net; 6-pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube

I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.

Cheers
Chris
Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders 
> Dave Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love 
> those old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to
F1
> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> > 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of 
> > recommendations from this great list.
> >
> >
> > Bud Rolofson
> >
> > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly 
> > Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to 
> > > know what the consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running 
> > > an A-Type OD in a TR6 and regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is 
> > > suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> > >
> > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > >
> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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> > > Unsubscribe/Manage:
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> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 15:53:10 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:10 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <000301cdcc28$8ed515e0$ac7f41a0$@rr.com>
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On every race event. I don't drive in snow with that car.
Am 26.11.2012 23:51 schrieb "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com
>:

> I presume you don't run that in cold weather.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Christian Marx
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:58 PM
> To: Robert Deanes
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; Sam; fot at autox.team.net;
> 6-pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
>
> I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:
>
> > I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders
> > Dave Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love
> > those old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get
> to
> F1
> > gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> > > 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> > > recommendations from this great list.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bud Rolofson
> > >
> > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> > > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> > > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> > > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly
> > > Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > > > know what the consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running
> > > > an A-Type OD in a TR6 and regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is
> > > > suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > > > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> > > >
> > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > > >
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 16:08:48 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:08:48 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrGtEMydVNZ5C90CBC02BhxKOn0YzYEJU2nb6J9+7sAh4C5Tg@mail.gmail.com>

As for race cars they are getting glowing hot in a race.  Thick oil does
protect the components I guess.

Cheers
Chris


From vangoughv at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 26 17:22:38 2012
From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:22:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT403-EAS8E9226BC8D2F62E307DD4B25E0@phx.gbl>

I'm using 90 gear lube in both my 70 GT6's.  Street car is with OD, race car
straight 4sp.   The race cars synchro is causing problems on gearing down from
3rd to 2nd so I'll be rebuilding my spare this winter.   I ran 30 non
detergent in my original GT6 Mk1 as a kid with no problems.


Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-26, at 6:03 PM, "Sam" <trdoctor at aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the response.  The more opinions I get the more I find there is
not
> a consensus.  In the early '90s when we got our TR3A I was reading the
> Bentley's manual and I found the spot where they recommended the non
detergent
> 30 weight oil.  I have several TRs and two of them use the A-Type OD and
the
> GT6 is, at this time, non OD.  I have an OD unit for it in the shop so that
is
> a future project.  When we got the GT6 the previous owner used MT90 and I
> realized why.  Second gear, if rushed, barks on upshift not on down shift
> which, to me, doesn't make sense.  Syncros, in my experience always barked
on
> down shift.  Any one that can enlighten me on this?  I was just looking for
a
> "one size fits all" solution.  The MT90 works good in the OD so at this time
I
> guess I'll continue to use it unless there is a compelling reason not to.
> Thanks for all the responses and keep them coming!
> Sam
>
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Robert Deanes <rfdeanes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders
Dave
> Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those old
> "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1 gear
> changing !    Wooo Hooo
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
wrote:
>> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
>> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
>> recommendations from this great list.
>>
>>
>> Bud Rolofson
>>
>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
>>> know what the
>>> consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
>>> a TR6 and
>>> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
>>> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>>>
>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>>
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> rob deanes
>> TR Racer
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov 26 17:35:12 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:35:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAPrGtEMydVNZ5C90CBC02BhxKOn0YzYEJU2nb6J9+7sAh4C5Tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
	<CAPrGtEMydVNZ5C90CBC02BhxKOn0YzYEJU2nb6J9+7sAh4C5Tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0A49251-4EAC-4F10-BD47-EE3A7787B9FD@gdhs.com>

Chris. Viscosity is not a function of "thickness"  Transmission oils must have
the ability of resisting the shearing  action of the gears, not just
thickness. Whether the planetary gears in an A OD require this shearing
protection I don't know; but we use transmission lube in ours

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 26, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> As for race cars they are getting glowing hot in a race.  Thick oil does
> protect the components I guess.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Nov 26 17:49:48 2012
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:49:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Front Sway Bar?
In-Reply-To: <583C8C40-9C8A-4F27-B600-8CE7444EC378@comcast.net>
References: <583C8C40-9C8A-4F27-B600-8CE7444EC378@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CF9A503C89F8EF-1908-1CE3C@webmail-m161.sysops.aol.com>

Maybe Speedway Engineering?



-----Original Message-----
From: Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net List <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 10:19 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Front Sway Bar?


http://s1162.beta.photobucket.com/user/levi3451/library/Spitfire%20Front%20Sw
ay%20Bar
Can anyone tell me what brand of front sway bar this is? It came on
he Spit I bought in September. I've googled for similar ones with no
uck.
I'm going to have to make some adjustments to it as the front tires
ub and one tire (brand new Hoosier) is now shot. I guess that's part
f the surprises you get from DPOs. It's been fun sorting out a number
f little things getting it ready for next spring but that one was an
nwelcome hit. But at least it was found in the shop and not on the
rack. All the more reason to go completely through a race car before
isking life and limb on someone else's work.
Bud Rolofson
71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
1 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
6TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
1F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 26 17:57:25 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:57:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
Message-ID: <8CF9A514C7A308E-7EC-1C26D@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from new
billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON seal
and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Nov 26 18:38:11 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:38:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
In-Reply-To: <8CF9A514C7A308E-7EC-1C26D@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.204.1638251582.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

I can't remember the last time the cost of anything went down.
Thanks Chris & Joe, the seals work great.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Alexander
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:57 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from
new
billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON
seal
and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 26 18:59:02 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:59:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
Message-ID: <8CF9A59E81FDB4E-7EC-1C6DF@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>

Not to beat that drum too loudly, but the VITON SEAL project has been largely
a pro bono effort to this point.

Kas, Chris, et. al. put a lot of thought into this project.

There is one chapter in KAS' latest book regarding 'avoiding oil leaks' in the
wet liner engines.

Worth the price of admission, by itself.  KAS KASTNER'S TRIUMPHS   Still
available for the moment.





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: 'Joe Alexander' <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 7:47 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more


I can't remember the last time the cost of anything went down.
Thanks Chris & Joe, the seals work great.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Alexander
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:57 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from
new
billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON
seal
and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 26 19:47:06 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:47:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] thanks for the John Clancy orders     www.triumphdvd.co.uk
Message-ID: <8CF9A609F54308E-7EC-1C9EA@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

SUBJECT:  The ultimate Kas Kastner Interview

By noon tomorrow, I will place another bulk order for California Air and other
two other Titles.

They should be here in about 10 days.

I have a few CALIFORNIA AIR on the shelf, right now.

Look at  www.triumphdvd.co.uk    and let me know of any more wanted.

Thanks.......



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 23:22:57 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:22:57 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <D0A49251-4EAC-4F10-BD47-EE3A7787B9FD@gdhs.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
	<CAPrGtEMydVNZ5C90CBC02BhxKOn0YzYEJU2nb6J9+7sAh4C5Tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0A49251-4EAC-4F10-BD47-EE3A7787B9FD@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrGtEOyt-FS=TcorCbSMBorHOgTCK583bduu4c46SzC1hhSyg@mail.gmail.com>

Very true John!
That's why I use EP GL 4 oil for gear protection and high viscosity for a
good lubrication at extreme temperatures.
The main disadvantage with engine oil is that it has no foam resistantce.

Cheers
Chris
Am 27.11.2012 01:35 schrieb "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>:

> Chris. Viscosity is not a function of "thickness"  Transmission oils must
> have the ability of resisting the shearing  action of the gears, not just
> thickness. Whether the planetary gears in an A OD require this shearing
> protection I don't know; but we use transmission lube in ours
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > As for race cars they are getting glowing hot in a race.  Thick oil does
> > protect the components I guess.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Chris
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 27 06:51:59 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:51:59 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
In-Reply-To: <8CF9A59E81FDB4E-7EC-1C6DF@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CF9A59E81FDB4E-7EC-1C6DF@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cdcca6$60edd850$22c988f0$@com>

The reason for the new housings was much wear of most of the stock parts had
over the years of use.

I reworked them for a while but 70 percent are worn (from offset mounting)
and I returned them without any change.
That caused delay for the customer so the way to go was with new parts. New
stays true.

The best thing, with changing the manufacturer and more parts made the
prices dropped a little and the availability is much better now.
I can keep a little stock of parts  to react faster than before when I made
the parts to order.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Joe Alexander
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. November 2012 02:59
An: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

Not to beat that drum too loudly, but the VITON SEAL project has been
largely a pro bono effort to this point.

Kas, Chris, et. al. put a lot of thought into this project.

There is one chapter in KAS' latest book regarding 'avoiding oil leaks' in
the wet liner engines.

Worth the price of admission, by itself.  KAS KASTNER'S TRIUMPHS   Still
available for the moment.





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: 'Joe Alexander' <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 7:47 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more


I can't remember the last time the cost of anything went down.
Thanks Chris & Joe, the seals work great.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Alexander
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:57 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from
new billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON
seal and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From clw2000 at msn.com  Tue Nov 27 12:54:28 2012
From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:54:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
Message-ID: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>

Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
questions:

- Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
- I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
safety, or what?
- Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
- Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.

Thanks in advance from South Carolina....

Thanks,

Chuck Watson


Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC


From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Nov 27 13:15:55 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:15:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAPrGtEOfPSkqoD3=6J7-_2-8c5bxmMKKtB+EZnxP=1Vc94Q56Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <50B51F7B.7070700@pobox.com>

Engine oils and gear oils or measured on a different temperature basis.  
Engine oils at 212 and gear oils or at 150 I believe.  So, SAE 30 engine 
oil will have much higher viscosity at 150 degrees, You'd have to know 
the viscosity index information to compare them directly.
Larry

On 11/26/2012 4:53 PM, Christian Marx wrote:
> On every race event. I don't drive in snow with that car.
> Am 26.11.2012 23:51 schrieb "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com
>> :
>> I presume you don't run that in cold weather.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Christian Marx
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:58 PM
>> To: Robert Deanes
>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; Sam; fot at autox.team.net;
>> 6-pack at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
>>
>> I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>> Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders
>>> Dave Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love
>>> those old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get
>> to
>> F1
>>> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
>>>> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
>>>> recommendations from this great list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bud Rolofson
>>>>
>>>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>>>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>>>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
>>>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly
>>>> Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
>>>>> know what the consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running
>>>>> an A-Type OD in a TR6 and regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is
>>>>> suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
>>>>> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>>>>>
>>>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 27 13:35:56 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:35:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.205.1638251582.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Dropping it below the trunk floor is done for weight distribution.
I THINK the soft rubber is safer than the hard plastic, but am less 
confident in that answer.

The stock gas cap opens too easily so needs to be wired shut if 
used.  If you connect to a remote fill, you need to use fire and 
impact resistant plumbing.  There's a video of a Miata (I think) 
going up in flames because the fill line for the fuel tank broke / 
melted.  Very scary.  It's best to just use the cap on top of the 
tank and avoid any possible issues with impact / fire related to a remote fill.

Tony

At 01:54 PM 11/27/2012, Charles WATSON wrote:
>Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
>questions:
>
>- Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
>- I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
>exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
>safety, or what?
>- Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
>- Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
>Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
>
>Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chuck Watson
>
>
>Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
>Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Tue Nov 27 13:38:23 2012
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:38:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1F0B61AA-C282-4B33-9BD8-CEA372DA9704@charter.net>

I would rather have a tightly sealed fuel cell instead of having gasoline
being able to exit out of that wimpy but beautiful spring loaded cap. I still
have mine on the gT6 even though there is nothing attached to it. I do not
think most sanctioning bodies would allow you to use it anyway.

On Nov 27, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Charles WATSON wrote:

> Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a
few
> questions:
>
> - Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
> - I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the
floor,
> exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
> safety, or what?
> - Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
> - Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler
location?
> Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
>
> Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck Watson
>
>
> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov 27 14:33:29 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:33:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44C89C83-CCBA-4964-A1E6-EEFD7CD1432A@me.com>

I personally like the all aluminum Fuel Safe cell in my GT6 better than the steel ATL in my Tr4. Just replaced the ATL because, in part, the box had rusted.  Better fitting cap on the FS too.  I recall that SVRA regs don't allow the use of the remote filler on the GT6 but you have to keep it for appearance' sake.

Sent from my mobile device 

On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Charles WATSON <clw2000 at msn.com> wrote:

> Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
> questions:
> 
> - Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
> - I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
> exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
> safety, or what?
> - Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
> - Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
> Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
> 
> Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck Watson
> 
> 
> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 27 20:36:23 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:36:23 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
Message-ID: <17917484.1354073783592.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have the ATL "Sports Series" and bought a few upgrades including the aluminum box and the fancy dipstick.  Don't get the dipstick.  It's black hard plastic and when you pull it out, the fuel has already evaporated and you can't see the level!  I would suggest an 8 gallon tank so that you have a little room in the trunk around the tank.  In my TR3, the spare tire compartment was cut out to allow the cell to sit down in there, nice and low.

One of the fittings on the top of the cell is for a vent tube.  The tubing should arc up and then down to the underside of the car so that it can suck air to replace the fuel that is being consumed.  If the car were to roll, this tube would then be right-side up and not pour gas.

I am happy with the ATL and the folks there were helpful over the phone.

Another good recommendation, while you have the tank out, is to weld in a little "intrusion bar" to protect the tank in case you get hit from behind.

~Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
>Sent: Nov 27, 2012 1:33 PM
>To: Charles WATSON <clw2000 at msn.com>
>Cc: FOT List <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
>
>I personally like the all aluminum Fuel Safe cell in my GT6 better than the steel ATL in my Tr4. Just replaced the ATL because, in part, the box had rusted.  Better fitting cap on the FS too.  I recall that SVRA regs don't allow the use of the remote filler on the GT6 but you have to keep it for appearance' sake.
>
>Sent from my mobile device 
>
>On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Charles WATSON <clw2000 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
>> questions:
>> 
>> - Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
>> - I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
>> exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
>> safety, or what?
>> - Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
>> - Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
>> Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck Watson
>> 
>> 
>> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
>> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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>> 
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Tue Nov 27 21:25:01 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:25:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Subject:  Sad News
Message-ID: <ed1.6a3aff11.3de6ec1d@aol.com>

He was quite a fine fellow and will be missed.  I learned many  things from 
him when his office was in the Brisbane, CA  BL Depot and I  visited 
frequently. 
 
Hardy
 
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
To: fot  <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
Message-ID:  <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"

James Anthony Coan passed away Sunday in Los Angeles.  Jimmy had been quit 
ill
for several years. Jim was my right hand man for  years and years, then 
upon my
retirement, the Competition Manager for  Triumph. Hard working, smart and a
neat guy, my old pal  Jim.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 07:02:47 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:02:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013
Message-ID: <8CF9B882DF79D85-1E00-24E10@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

Reservations are going well at the Osthoff.

For you that asked about reserving rooms on line at the www.osthoff.com
website:  Code is   "FRIEND"

Otherwise, mention "FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH" when calling in, to get your
discounted rooms and suites.

Make your reservations early...they will work with us to add rooms beyond the
current FOT contract, but no guarantee that what you want will be available.

The smart money is on 2 and 3 bedroom suites by getting friends together and
sharing the costs. Amenities abound with the suites.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 08:00:55 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:00:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] FAQ  KCUP 2013
In-Reply-To: <09AE8584-6335-4F60-AA18-F79460D5E835@me.com>
References: <8CF9B882DF79D85-1E00-24E10@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com>
	<09AE8584-6335-4F60-AA18-F79460D5E835@me.com>
Message-ID: <8CF9B904CE2FC05-1E00-253FB@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com>

 For information:

vscda.com
roadamerica.com
osthoff.com
fot-racing.com

the FOT website will be updated in the future.

Once again, all Triumphs and TRIUMPH POWERED racecars will be considered as
entrants....just ask.  But treaded tires only.

You can make initial REQUEST FOR ENTRY to me. Not all cars will be eligible
for the KASTNER CUP.





-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 8:18 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013


the FOT site is out of date as to when/where the 2013 event is.  What's the
date?


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 09:31:06 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:31:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] FAQ KCUP 2013
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correction on vscda.

It is .org not .com

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

>  For information:
>
> vscda.com
> roadamerica.com
> osthoff.com
> fot-racing.com
>
> the FOT website will be updated in the future.
>
> Once again, all Triumphs and TRIUMPH POWERED racecars will be considered as
> entrants....just ask.  But treaded tires only.
>
> You can make initial REQUEST FOR ENTRY to me. Not all cars will be eligible
> for the KASTNER CUP.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 8:18 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013
>
>
> the FOT site is out of date as to when/where the 2013 event is.  What's the
> date?
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-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 09:40:27 2012
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:40:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  FAQ KCUP 2013-----correction   vscda.org
Message-ID: <20e4d.a93d556.3de7987b@cs.com>

> correction on vscda.
>  
> It is .org not .com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------
> Exactly....thanks for the correction, Mr. Arnold. &  Mr. Korey</HTML>
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correction on vscda.

It is .org not .com

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

>  For information:
>
> vscda.com
> roadamerica.com
> osthoff.com
> fot-racing.com
>
> the FOT website will be updated in the future.
>
> Once again, all Triumphs and TRIUMPH POWERED racecars will be considered as
> entrants....just ask.  But treaded tires only.
>
> You can make initial REQUEST FOR ENTRY to me. Not all cars will be eligible
> for the KASTNER CUP.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 8:18 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013
>
>
> the FOT site is out of date as to when/where the 2013 event is.  What's the
> date?
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Nov 28 11:09:59 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:09:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot]  Fuel Cell Questions
Message-ID: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>

Hey, Hey, I got the dipstick too and I love it! And it gets hot in Kansas
too. Yes, on  some days the fuel evaporates quickly, so look quicker. :-)
Okay, so sometimes I check it 2-3 times to be confident I have a good
reading. Still beats guessing.

I got the 8-gal Sport Cell too, for my Spitfire. I had ATL put the dipstick
hole in the aluminum box. Only problem was, they didn't put a hole in the
foam inside, so when I got it I had to dismantle it, pull the foam out, and
make a hole. LOL  Not like that was any big deal. And I'll second the notion
that the ATL folks were very helpful.

I found if you take a blade and score the dipstick in about 1" increments,
each inch is just about a gallon.

I also got mine with double duckfoot pickups inside the cell, one goes to
each rear corner and each feeds its own fuel pump (Holley Red, which then go
to a tee, and then the line to the carbs). Never a problem with fuel
starvation in the turns. Holley Red pumps about 7 psi, I have a Holley
regulator up front to cut the flow to 2.5 psi to the carbs. I have a
no-tools test port tight by the tee.

And yes, I also put the vent tube in the same way Steve described. One thing
I learned is don't put 8 gallons in the 8-gallon cell. It'll overflow out
that vent tube and sometimes corner workers get all excited that you're
"leaking." To forestall that somewhat I also created a "fuel surge
attenuator" to attach to the vent tube -- I cut a finger off a cloth work
glove and wired it to the end of the tube. :-D  A seven gallon fill will get
you as far as you need to go.

I had my favorite body shop create me a cradle out of angle iron to mount
it. It hangs from the inner side plates since it's cut through the floor,
and a tailpipe bracket is welded to the bottom of the cradle (no it doesn't
get hot).

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions


>I have the ATL "Sports Series" and bought a few upgrades including the 
>aluminum box and the fancy dipstick.  Don't get the dipstick.  It's black 
>hard plastic and when you pull it out, the fuel has already evaporated and 
>you can't see the level!  I would suggest an 8 gallon tank so that you have 
>a little room in the trunk around the tank.  In my TR3, the spare tire 
>compartment was cut out to allow the cell to sit down in there, nice and 
>low.
>
> One of the fittings on the top of the cell is for a vent tube.  The tubing 
> should arc up and then down to the underside of the car so that it can 
> suck air to replace the fuel that is being consumed.  If the car were to 
> roll, this tube would then be right-side up and not pour gas.
>
> I am happy with the ATL and the folks there were helpful over the phone.
>
> Another good recommendation, while you have the tank out, is to weld in a 
> little "intrusion bar" to protect the tank in case you get hit from 
> behind.
>
> ~Steve


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Nov 28 13:23:01 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:23:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1354129203.3410.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.10.1354129203.3410.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF782F493A.694A8F6E-ON85257AC4.006FBAA9-85257AC4.007001C1@us.ibm.com>

I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel gauge I
have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, I can
guess the rest).

Picture here
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg

G. Michael Harmuth
63 spit


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Nov 28 13:58:30 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <OF782F493A.694A8F6E-ON85257AC4.006FBAA9-85257AC4.007001C1@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.10.1354129203.3410.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OF782F493A.694A8F6E-ON85257AC4.006FBAA9-85257AC4.007001C1@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <8E74A33A75724FC2AE56BD5153291DAC@gdhs.local>

We use an old broom stick 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42

I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel gauge I
have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, I can
guess the rest).

Picture here
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg

G. Michael Harmuth
63 spit
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From clw2000 at msn.com  Wed Nov 28 14:12:51 2012
From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:12:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42 - Fuel Cell
In-Reply-To: <OF782F493A.694A8F6E-ON85257AC4.006FBAA9-85257AC4.007001C1@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.10.1354129203.3410.fot@autox.team.net>,
	<OF782F493A.694A8F6E-ON85257AC4.006FBAA9-85257AC4.007001C1@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <BLU154-W261C44A514B128A0359FCBBF5D0@phx.gbl>

Thanks to everyone for all the fuel cell pointers.   I went with a 10 gallon
unit from ATL as the weight difference was not all that much more than the 8
gal. but the shape kept it close to the center of the car.  It has the dual
duck-flap intakes and I opted for the aluminum body as it will be exposed to
the elements.  Both the hard rubber bladder and the fabric bladder meet the
same FIA specs and the tech guy at ATL did not recommend one over the other
based on safety alone.  The differences are primarily fuel capability and
weight for that choice.  Best price I found was racerpartswholesale, but if a
steel unit was wanted, the 24hoursoflemons site was by far the best.

Thanks,

Chuck Watson











> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:23:01 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
>
> I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel gauge I
> have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, I can
> guess the rest).
>
> Picture here
> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
> 63 spit
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From vangoughv at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:21:53 2012
From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:21:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
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	<8E74A33A75724FC2AE56BD5153291DAC@gdhs.local>
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I use the 8gal ATL SPORTSMAN Cell, no remote fuel setup and a notched dowel as
a level dip stick

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-28, at 3:59 PM, "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> We use an old broom stick
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Attorney At Law
> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
> 719 East Boulevard
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> I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel gauge I
> have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, I can
> guess the rest).
>
> Picture here
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Nov 28 15:57:48 2012
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:57:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
Message-ID: <2d81f9df.7e7e8.13b493d8d89.Webtop.13@optonline.net>

To All:

Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;

1. Low in the trunk/spare wheel well for the center of gravity but 
causing some what of a pendelum effect by having extra weight hanging 
out the back
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car

Thanks
Todd Redmond
'58 TR3A




On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Vince G wrote:

> I use the 8gal ATL SPORTSMAN Cell, no remote fuel setup and a notched 
> dowel as
> a level dip stick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2012-11-28, at 3:59 PM, "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>
>> We use an old broom stick
>>
>>
>> John H. Hasty
>> Attorney At Law
>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>> 719 East Boulevard
>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>> Tele: (704) 372-5600
>> Fax: (704) 372-4601
>> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com
>> www.gdhs.com
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>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of George Harmuth
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:23 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
>>
>> I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel 
>> gauge I
>> have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, 
>> I can
>> guess the rest).
>>
>> Picture here
>> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg
>>
>> G. Michael Harmuth
>> 63 spit
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Nov 28 16:24:45 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:24:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <2d81f9df.7e7e8.13b493d8d89.Webtop.13@optonline.net>
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Message-ID: <ED373BC9AF8A4FE5976E5EA313375C68@Vista>

Make sure that the fuel outlet is at the back rather than one of the sides.
Fuel sloshed to one side during a hard turn in a lower fuel condition will
cause fuel starvation.  

(Ask how I know this!)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Todd Redmond
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:58 PM
To: vangoughv at hotmail.com
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net; harmug at us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42

To All:

Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;

1. Low in the trunk/spare wheel well for the center of gravity but 
causing some what of a pendelum effect by having extra weight hanging 
out the back
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car

Thanks
Todd Redmond
'58 TR3A




On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Vince G wrote:

> I use the 8gal ATL SPORTSMAN Cell, no remote fuel setup and a notched 
> dowel as
> a level dip stick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2012-11-28, at 3:59 PM, "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>
>> We use an old broom stick
>>
>>
>> John H. Hasty
>> Attorney At Law
>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>> 719 East Boulevard
>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>> Tele: (704) 372-5600
>> Fax: (704) 372-4601
>> E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com
>> www.gdhs.com
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of George Harmuth
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:23 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
>>
>> I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel 
>> gauge I
>> have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, 
>> I can
>> guess the rest).
>>
>> Picture here
>> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg
>>
>> G. Michael Harmuth
>> 63 spit
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From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Nov 28 17:39:44 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:39:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <2d81f9df.7e7e8.13b493d8d89.Webtop.13@optonline.net>
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Message-ID: <CALCydYpeUUCijqTf6Ke5_879SE5JKtYOywrTtc7AicDDsJHbNQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>wrote:

"Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car"

At least in the GT6 the 2nd option is out... as you need to access the
studs and nuts from above the axle for differential install and removal.
There is lots of weight up front in our coupes. By virtue of balance more
than anything, farthest back and low is our best bet.
While we are getting creative...There is always that old NASCAR trick
(maybe Smokey Yunick Sp?) where you use the roll bar tubes for one giant
scary secret gas tank. or tubular Bomb...

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 18:02:52 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:02:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYpeUUCijqTf6Ke5_879SE5JKtYOywrTtc7AicDDsJHbNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2d81f9df.7e7e8.13b493d8d89.Webtop.13@optonline.net>
	<CALCydYpeUUCijqTf6Ke5_879SE5JKtYOywrTtc7AicDDsJHbNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CF9BE46456B287-1E00-2A567@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com>

YES, Smokey Yunick.   He told us that at Mid-Ohio.

He couldnt hear any questions, so someone had to relay questions into his
ear.





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
To: Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>; harmug
<harmug at us.ibm.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>wrote:

"Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car"

At least in the GT6 the 2nd option is out... as you need to access the
studs and nuts from above the axle for differential install and removal.
There is lots of weight up front in our coupes. By virtue of balance more
than anything, farthest back and low is our best bet.
While we are getting creative...There is always that old NASCAR trick
(maybe Smokey Yunick Sp?) where you use the roll bar tubes for one giant
scary secret gas tank. or tubular Bomb...

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 28 20:42:33 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:42:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>

 On the subject of vents. We autocross the spitfire some also and the hard
jolts back and forth would tend to slosh gas out the vent tube even when we
ran it up and looped it a couple of times. Since it exited the trunk floor
near the exhaust it was not a good combination. We fabbed up a small catch can
roughly 4x4x4 and mounted it on the floor of the trunk. The vent tube ran from
the cell to the top of the catch can. A second vent tube came out of the top
of the catch can and exited through the floor of the trunk. The bottom of
catch can has a petcock that also goes out the floor of the trunk that is used
to drain off any gas at an appropriate time. That did the trick for us.


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Nov 28 21:05:02 2012
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:05:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <50B6DEEE.8060502@comcast.net>

I'm using an 8 gallon Fuel Safe cell.  Never had a problem with overflow 
in the vent tube, but then I only run about 4-5 gallons max.  The vent 
hose is one of the clear plastic, nylon braided hoses available from 
Home Depot.  I attached it to an Aeroquip fitting and it works fine.  I 
got a small in-line plastic check valve from Pegasus I think and shoved 
it into the hose a couple of inches. Allows air in and no fuel out.  
Photos available on request.

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From mdporter at dfn.com  Wed Nov 28 21:24:42 2012
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:24:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <50B6E38A.4020007@dfn.com>

On 11/28/2012 8:42 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>   On the subject of vents. We autocross the spitfire some also and the hard
> jolts back and forth would tend to slosh gas out the vent tube even when we
> ran it up and looped it a couple of times. Since it exited the trunk floor
> near the exhaust it was not a good combination.

This would seem to be a perfect application for a vacuum break check 
valve.  There are fuel-proof check valves of this type available, and in 
operation, they are normally closed until there is a differential 
between atmosphere and the tank interior, then open just long enough to 
equalize pressures.  One of those installed before the loop in the vent 
tube would effectively end the problem of fuel sloshing out.

Maybe something like this:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#spring-check-valves/=kda0b8

A differential of a third of a psi to open would probably be negligible 
as far as fuel delivery goes, and it's doubtful sloshed fuel in a 
vertical pipe would cause it to open.  The oil- and diesel-proof valve 
might not last quite as long when used with gasoline, but, they're 
pretty cheap compared to the cost of the fuel cell--or the cost of 
hauling to an event and then getting black-flagged for leaking fuel.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Nov 28 22:24:43 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:24:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0703412942B1461BBD1D0A0ED42349A4@Vista>

I just attached a hose to the vent  and ran it high enough that any slosh
would be contained and drain back to the tank.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marty sukey
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:43 PM
To: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions

 On the subject of vents. We autocross the spitfire some also and the hard
jolts back and forth would tend to slosh gas out the vent tube even when we
ran it up and looped it a couple of times. Since it exited the trunk floor
near the exhaust it was not a good combination. We fabbed up a small catch
can
roughly 4x4x4 and mounted it on the floor of the trunk. The vent tube ran
from
the cell to the top of the catch can. A second vent tube came out of the top
of the catch can and exited through the floor of the trunk. The bottom of
catch can has a petcock that also goes out the floor of the trunk that is
used
to drain off any gas at an appropriate time. That did the trick for us.
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Wed Nov 28 22:29:08 2012
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 00:29:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] fuel cells
Message-ID: <41FED569899943C0ACF03EE1346A517D@hpd530>

Hi Gang,
All this talk of fuel cells reminds me of the time I was going through Tech.
The inspector asked what the object was that was nestled under the fuel cell
holddown straps.
I replied that it was an analog fuel level indicator system.
Inspector laughed.
Object is more commonly known as a wooded ruler.
A little humor never hurts!
Cheers, Bill
PS, I use an ATL 15 gallon cell. It's what came with the car. It fits in the
trunk nicely.
PPS, go see "Lincoln" Great movie.


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 29 06:59:06 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <0703412942B1461BBD1D0A0ED42349A4@Vista>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>,
	<0703412942B1461BBD1D0A0ED42349A4@Vista>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W21DCFE7EEA56034981EBA0BA5C0@phx.gbl>

 I received a few words of advice on my "situation", thanks much they are
appreciated. Let me add....  The fuel sloshing out condition showed up when I
first got the car. I checked and it did have a check valve. I took it out and
there did not really appear that there was any way for it to not function, at
least visually so I re-installed it.  Originally the vent went to the top of
the inner fender and then straight down, no loop.  I do not remember how much
gas I had in the cell, maybe I just had it to full.  Anyway, I really really
didn't like the gas coming out onto the exhaust so the catch can was installed
as a redundant system as well as adding a loop in the vent tank.  Since I have
put in this so called fix I honestly cannot remember ever draining any gas out
of the catch can after a event.  So maybe it was a big waste of time but it
made me more at ease never having to be wondering if gas might be possibly
splashing out when I am at  the wheel.  And heaven knows, I need lots less to
worry about when I am behind the wheel!  :)

Marty


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Nov 29 08:01:14 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:01:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211290955270.18098@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

My fuel cell has a "check valve" in the vent tube, so positive pressure 
from fuel in the vent closes the valve and there's no spilling. Ever. I'm 
pretty sure that the check valve is required in road racing "in case of a 
rollover". That seemed like a good idea to me at the time.

I'm pretty sure I have the 8 gallon Fuel Safe cell (aluminum case, kevlar 
bladder and foam with the internal surge can and pickups in both front 
corners. It works great. Actually, I'm thinking about replacing the foam 
as it is now 14 years old. But I also use nothing but 110 leaded race 
fuel, so there's no degredation on the fuel lines or anything.

regards,
rml
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 29 08:11:06 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:11:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] The first TR6 FRONT FENDER REPAIR PANEL.....
Message-ID: <8CF9C5AE3B06CB9-814-31881@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>

 ......was produced yesterday.   Lower Fender 'rust' panel at rocker.

If anyone is interested in seeing a picture, contact me.

The TR4 Panel is in production....The TR6 production will be available in a
couple of weeks when the CAD files are completed and laser blanking can
start..

Regards,



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Nov 30 09:19:12 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:19:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] fuel cells
In-Reply-To: <41FED569899943C0ACF03EE1346A517D@hpd530>
References: <41FED569899943C0ACF03EE1346A517D@hpd530>
Message-ID: <50B8DC80.8040903@pobox.com>

I always used a Model T gas gauge.  I purpose made wooden stick with 
graduations for the type of tank.  Unfortunately, no scale for my fuel cell.
Larry

On 11/28/2012 11:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote:
> Hi Gang,
> All this talk of fuel cells reminds me of the time I was going through Tech.
> The inspector asked what the object was that was nestled under the fuel cell
> holddown straps.
> I replied that it was an analog fuel level indicator system.
> Inspector laughed.
> Object is more commonly known as a wooded ruler.
> A little humor never hurts!
> Cheers, Bill
> PS, I use an ATL 15 gallon cell. It's what came with the car. It fits in the
> trunk nicely.
> PPS, go see "Lincoln" Great movie.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Nov 30 21:45:37 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:45:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FWD: Piston needed
Message-ID: <50B98B71.1090403@bradakis.com>

To send mail to fot at autox.team.net  you send mail to fot at autox.team.net.

mjb.

Subject:
tr 3/4 piston(s)
From:
KENMUN at aol.com
Date:
11/30/2012 11:03 AM




i need a 87mm piston, will consider a set. thanks. ken m. tr 3 vintage racer


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  1 06:23:01 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 05:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <CED64F81-DEF5-43AD-BB46-EFB1B42E6413@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1351772581.67142.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Tom! He was quite a man. I thought he was with the Cunningham team in "55; interesting to see he was paired with Leveigh in the A/H which "caused" the crash. Phil Wallters (AKA Ted Tappet; I'm showing my roots :O)) was with Cunningham, and refused to ever race again after the '55 LeMans. As a side note...I believe Walters had also been a P-51 pilot over Germany. Birds of a feather.
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 10/31/12, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:


From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:37 PM


FYI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fitch_(racing_driver)


On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:54 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:

> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed away this morning.
> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters during the big crash in '55.
> RIP
> -Ed-
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  1 06:30:16 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 05:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
In-Reply-To: <20121101042441.F2DE52D0682@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1351773016.18961.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Head South Jason! We, CVAR have a race the weekend at TWS. I beleive there is another group running in Savannah this weekend too. I'm sure even vampires migrate.
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 10/31/12, jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:


From: jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:36 PM


An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I drain the fluid from my beloved GT6. 
Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of life, to get through the long cold wInter?
Happy Halloween.
FRIENDLY GHOST RACING
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From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 06:41:10 2012
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 05:41:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <1351738456.92490.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1351738456.92490.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1351773670.39055.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

     I had the opportunity to meet John Fitch at Elkhart Lake a few years ago.
What pleasant person to talk to. He signed my Aug. Elkhart Lake  road race
program,which he won
the big bore class in a Cunningham. The racing community
has lost a true hero. My thoughts and prays go out to him and his family.
   
 
     John Wagner (just the wrench)  


----- Original Message -----
From:
EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch

The FOT
has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals in Galveston
Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed away this morning.
With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car
driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters during
the big crash in '55.
RIP
-Ed-
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:00:18 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:00:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <1351738456.92490.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1351738456.92490.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <014a01cdb830$d9035e30$8b0a1a90$@com>

Great article on John here:

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20121031/ALMS/121019873 


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E) for sale, 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner KC 5577 L
www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos
"Reality, it's not what you think." 


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:01:03 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:01:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
In-Reply-To: <20121101042451.D7B472D0747@autox.team.net>
References: <20121101042451.D7B472D0747@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9MQKbxvmP9xn=wqGAD+EyU9JROFVh8rB_ZPXevfk1w9Rw@mail.gmail.com>

That makes me feel good about living down south, it is alittle cold now but
ower season is yet to be over. We still have a few events left before the
end of the year. Hate cold weather !

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:36 PM, <jason at multivintage.com> wrote:

> An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
> Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
> Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep
> (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor
> unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I
> drain the fluid from my beloved GT6.
> Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of
> life, to get through the long cold wInter?
> Happy Halloween.
> FRIENDLY GHOST RACING
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:33:04 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:33:04 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
In-Reply-To: <1351773016.18961.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20121101042441.F2DE52D0682@autox.team.net>
	<1351773016.18961.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003c01cdb835$6dbd4370$4937ca50$@com>

After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says: 
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
Chris


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:42:25 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:42:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
In-Reply-To: <1351773016.18961.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20121101042441.F2DE52D0682@autox.team.net>
	<1351773016.18961.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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yes, this week and weekend is the Hilton Head Island Motoring Festival,
four or five days of car related events with racing included with HSR,
Concours d' Elegance car show which I hear is top of the line, car jamboree
and other events on different days. The race track is right by the water on
an old track that has been restored to some degree, I personally haven't
run this but looking at it for next year as a week to "get away" and
relax.I think it is one of the "small bore" challege events sponsered by
Classic Motor sports magazine.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:30 AM, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>wrote:

> Head South Jason! We, CVAR have a race the weekend at TWS. I beleive there
> is another group running in Savannah this weekend too. I'm sure even
> vampires migrate.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
> To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:36 PM
>
>
> An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
> Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
> Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep
> (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor
> unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I
> drain the fluid from my beloved GT6.
> Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of
> life, to get through the long cold wInter?
> Happy Halloween.
> FRIENDLY GHOST RACING
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Nov  1 08:22:13 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:22:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
Message-ID: <6329.d1450ff.3dc3df94@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/31/2012 9:27:57 PM Central Standard Time, 
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes:


> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals 
> in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed 
> away this morning. 
> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car 
> driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters 
> during the big crash in '55.
> 

Amen to that.  One of the classic 'gentlemen racers' of the early days of 
road racing here in the United States.

Bill Dentinger


From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Nov  1 08:27:49 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:27:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
Message-ID: <65ee.25fc3df0.3dc3e0e5@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/01/2012 7:22:29 AM Central Standard Time, 
j.wags63 at yahoo.com writes:


> John Wagner (just the wrench)  
> 

(just the wrench)?  Right!  And Lombardi was (just the coach).  Or better 
still...Kastner was (just the wrench).

Bill Dentinger


From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 08:41:40 2012
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:41:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
References: <1351772581.67142.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <385870D823844A14AAA353B019022358@hpd530>

Hi all, I just checked my copy of "LeMans 55" and think there is a little 
confusion.
Levegh/Fitch shared a Mersedes 300SLR, which LeVegh crashed when he hit the 
Austin-Healey 100S of Macklin/Leston, Macklin driving, which had to swerve 
to avoid the D Type Jaguar of Hawthorne/Bueb, Hawthorne driving, which had 
made a sudden move to pit.
A lot of people blame Hawthorne for the crash, fault Mercedes for not 
withdrawing until 12 or more hours later, and the race organizers for not 
halting the race.
Terrible crash and aftermath.
Further reading shows Phil Walters in  D-type Jag with Bill Spear. Also 
Briggs and Sherwood Johnson in a Cunningham C-6R. Also three TR2's entered.

How did everyone fare with the hurricane? Safe and sound, we hope. We had 
high winds and lots of rain here, but no major problems.
Cheers, Bill----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "Tom Householder" <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch


> Thanks Tom! He was quite a man. I thought he was with the Cunningham team 
> in "55; interesting to see he was paired with Leveigh in the A/H which 
> "caused" the crash. Phil Wallters (AKA Ted Tappet; I'm showing my roots 
> :O)) was with Cunningham, and refused to ever race again after the '55 
> LeMans. As a side note...I believe Walters had also been a P-51 pilot over 
> Germany. Birds of a feather.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
> To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:37 PM
>
>
> FYI
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fitch_(racing_driver)
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:54 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
>
>> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals 
>> in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed 
>> away this morning.
>> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car 
>> driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters 
>> during the big crash in '55.
>> RIP
>> -Ed-
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 10:04:26 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
Message-ID: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, all.    I was very sorry to hear about the passing of Jon Fitch. He was
not only a great driver, pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years
back I had the pleasure to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in
Watkins Glen . I was honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch,
Bob Lutz, and Bill Millican at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event
is called "Legends Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his
wife was a quite a nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed

 
Ed Diehl


From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 10:43:21 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:43:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
In-Reply-To: <1351773016.18961.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20121101042441.F2DE52D0682@autox.team.net>
	<1351773016.18961.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNA+C3WCJUoK3LW61xh7JePJkc4sQuV262KtSr8sBQEefw@mail.gmail.com>

I keep mine live all winter and give it a start weekly -- keeps the
injectors and pump working.
On Nov 1, 2012 6:21 AM, "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:

> Head South Jason! We, CVAR have a race the weekend at TWS. I beleive there
> is another group running in Savannah this weekend too. I'm sure even
> vampires migrate.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: jason at multivintage.com <jason at multivintage.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Friendly Hauntings From: FGR.
> To: "triumph friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:36 PM
>
>
> An eerie web forms about now on our cars here in the Midwest.
> Drained of their fluid and void of their blood.
> Like Vampires, tonight; these Triumphs hunger for lube. A long sleep
> (perhaps restless) awaits the cold steel and silent horse power of my poor
> unheated-garage kept mechanical demon. Killing it... on Halloween night, I
> drain the fluid from my beloved GT6.
> Surely this cold evening, all hallow's eve, might it find a source of
> life, to get through the long cold wInter?
> Happy Halloween.
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Nov  1 11:45:52 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:45:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
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	<003c01cdb835$6dbd4370$4937ca50$@com>
Message-ID: <18D07C1CAAE44B4380362457AB5A8E93@gdhs.local>

Chris: 
	Does the FIA have such a hold on the race tracks in Europe that they
won't let a club race at the track unless the club is FIA sanctioned?   


John H. Hasty
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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:33 AM
To: 'triumph friends'
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says: 
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov  1 12:13:22 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 19:13:22 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
In-Reply-To: <18D07C1CAAE44B4380362457AB5A8E93@gdhs.local>
References: <20121101042441.F2DE52D0682@autox.team.net><1351773016.18961.YahooMailClassic@web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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	<18D07C1CAAE44B4380362457AB5A8E93@gdhs.local>
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It is a chain dependence.
The tracks have insurances. The insurance says, "I take the risk but are you
FIA homologated?"
If the track says "yes" FIA is in the game. If the track says "no", no
insurance.

The trouble starts if a racing series is doing more than 1 race outside of
its country.
For example:
The TC is German, and we are doing 5 races elsewhere, France, Belgium,
Netherlands, England, Luxemburg, then we are treated as an international
racing series...even if we are small group with no sponsors.

Europe is scattered in small territories you know regardless of the European
idea.

You now can ask - why do you race foreign?

Answer: Too many great tracks there are in Europe and it would be shame not
to race on them.

I have a "have to race" list, and there too many tracks not marked off.

Cheers
Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: john hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. November 2012 18:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'triumph friends'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

Chris:
	Does the FIA have such a hold on the race tracks in Europe that they
won't let a club race at the track unless the club is FIA sanctioned?


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:33 AM
To: 'triumph friends'
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says:
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
Chris
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Nov  1 12:19:23 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:19:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international
In-Reply-To: <001701cdb85c$96156920$c2403b60$@com>
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Good Lord, thank goodness it's not like there over here.  If it were we
would all be in the clutches of the France family.


John H. Hasty
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-----Original Message-----
From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:13 PM
To: 'john hasty'; 'triumph friends'
Subject: AW: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

It is a chain dependence.
The tracks have insurances. The insurance says, "I take the risk but are you
FIA homologated?"
If the track says "yes" FIA is in the game. If the track says "no", no
insurance.

The trouble starts if a racing series is doing more than 1 race outside of
its country.
For example:
The TC is German, and we are doing 5 races elsewhere, France, Belgium,
Netherlands, England, Luxemburg, then we are treated as an international
racing series...even if we are small group with no sponsors.

Europe is scattered in small territories you know regardless of the European
idea.

You now can ask - why do you race foreign?

Answer: Too many great tracks there are in Europe and it would be shame not
to race on them.

I have a "have to race" list, and there too many tracks not marked off.

Cheers
Chris



-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: john hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. November 2012 18:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'triumph friends'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

Chris:
	Does the FIA have such a hold on the race tracks in Europe that they
won't let a club race at the track unless the club is FIA sanctioned?


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:33 AM
To: 'triumph friends'
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition seems to become FIA international

After now Europe is united all borders are removed and billions of Euros are
transferred to the suffering southern countries,

The FIA rises the borders of motorsport.
FIA says:
"Stay in your country and don't race abroad! If you want race abroad, become
an international FIA racing series!"

Seems that the Triumph Competition (a very tiny club racing series) has to
go that way. Then  we would be in the same lap as F1 :-)))

Cheers
Chris
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 16:13:29 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:13:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
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Ed Diehl

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Ed Diehl
<mediehljr at yahoo.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, November
1, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: John Fitch
 

Hello, all.    I was very sorry to
hear about the passing of Jon Fitch. He was not only a great driver,
pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years back I had the pleasure
to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in Watkins Glen . I was
honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch, Bob Lutz, and Bill
Millican at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event is called "Legends
Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his wife was a quite a
nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed

 
Ed Diehl


From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Nov  1 19:49:48 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 01:49:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <1351808009.23242.YahooMailNeo@web39301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<1351808009.23242.YahooMailNeo@web39301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I've had long conversations with John in various places in the world and he
was a just a very nice man,.  FAST too. I'm big on FAST.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:13:29 -0700
> From: mediehljr at yahoo.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
>
>
> Ed Diehl
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Ed Diehl
> <mediehljr at yahoo.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November
> 1, 2012 12:04 PM
> Subject: John Fitch
>
>
> Hello, all.    I was very sorry to
> hear about the passing of Jon Fitch. He was not only a great driver,
> pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years back I had the
pleasure
> to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in Watkins Glen . I was
> honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch, Bob Lutz, and Bill
> Millican at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event is called
"Legends
> Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his wife was a quite
a
> nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed
>
>
> Ed Diehl
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov  1 22:29:56 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 21:29:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch
In-Reply-To: <385870D823844A14AAA353B019022358@hpd530>
Message-ID: <1351830596.7801.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Bill: Yes, I realized I had miss typed as soon as I hit send. I had the A/H on
my mind as I typed. A side-note...the A/H sold at auction this year for a very
obscene amount of dollars.
 
Below is the obit for John Fitch that was in the NY Times. Also, R&T has a
nice write-up in the newest edition.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/sports/autoracing/john-cooper-fitch-glamoro
us-racer-with-a-flair-for-danger-dies-at-95.html?hpw&pagewanted=all

-Ed-
 
--- On Thu, 11/1/12, Bill Tobin <william.tobin31 at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Bill Tobin <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>, "Tom Householder"
<trhouse at columbus.rr.com>, "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, November 1, 2012, 9:41 AM


Hi all, I just checked my copy of "LeMans 55" and think there is a little
confusion.
Levegh/Fitch shared a Mersedes 300SLR, which LeVegh crashed when he hit the
Austin-Healey 100S of Macklin/Leston, Macklin driving, which had to swerve to
avoid the D Type Jaguar of Hawthorne/Bueb, Hawthorne driving, which had made a
sudden move to pit.
A lot of people blame Hawthorne for the crash, fault Mercedes for not
withdrawing until 12 or more hours later, and the race organizers for not
halting the race.
Terrible crash and aftermath.
Further reading shows Phil Walters in  D-type Jag with Bill Spear. Also Briggs
and Sherwood Johnson in a Cunningham C-6R. Also three TR2's entered.

How did everyone fare with the hurricane? Safe and sound, we hope. We had high
winds and lots of rain here, but no major problems.
Cheers, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD"
<edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: "Tom Householder" <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>; "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch


> Thanks Tom! He was quite a man. I thought he was with the Cunningham team in
"55; interesting to see he was paired with Leveigh in the A/H which "caused"
the crash. Phil Wallters (AKA Ted Tappet; I'm showing my roots :O)) was with
Cunningham, and refused to ever race again after the '55 LeMans. As a side
note...I believe Walters had also been a P-51 pilot over Germany. Birds of a
feather.
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 10/31/12, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] John Fitch
> To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 10:37 PM
>
>
> FYI
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fitch_(racing_driver)
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:54 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote:
>
>> The FOT has been very quiet with many of its members at the VTR Nationals
in Galveston Texas. For those who may not have heard, John Fitch passed away
this morning.
>> With his passing goes a great fighter pilot, sports car driver, Indy car
driver, and a member of the Cunningham team at LeMans with Phil Walters during
the big crash in '55.
>> RIP
>> -Ed-
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  2 10:13:35 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch
References: <1351785866.71354.YahooMailNeo@web39303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <1351872815.15133.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
Ed Diehl

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Ed Diehl
<mediehljr at yahoo.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, November
1, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: John Fitch
 

Hello, all.    I was very sorry to
hear about the passing of John Fitch. He was not only a great driver,
pilot,etc, but he was a genuine nice guy. Some years back I had the pleasure
to be on the stage with him at the Glen Theater in Watkins Glen . I was
honored to be invited to speak, along with John Fitch, Bob Lutz, and Bill
Milligan at the Vintage Grand Prix. That part of the event is called "Legends
Speak". What an honor!! He was a very pleasant man and his wife was a quite a
nice Lady. Never forget it!  Cheers, Ed

 
Ed Diehl


From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  2 11:30:48 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:30:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] E Mails
Message-ID: <1351877448.23358.YahooMailNeo@web39305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi, everyone. I am very sorry to have loaded up your in boxes with the same
message. My computer decided to hiccup and belch at the same time and I lost
control. Lucky there was nothing to hit. he he. Cheers, Ed.

 
Ed Diehl


From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sat Nov  3 19:21:39 2012
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:21:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch At Le Mans 1954
Message-ID: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>

I would like to share with you a couple of old photos of John Fitch at LeMans
in 1954. This first photo is of John in the pit prior to the race looking at a
Factory "D" Type.  The guy in the beret and field jacket,  looking at the car
over his left arm is me.
I will send a second photo of him on a seperate email.
Bob Johns

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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sat Nov  3 19:23:47 2012
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 21:23:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch at Le Mans 1954
Message-ID: <572EBD4FB4DB483AAC0DAD05098A004A@Bucktailus>

Great shot of John enjoying looking over the lastest from The Jaguar Factory.
Bob Johns

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Nov  3 19:47:07 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:47:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: John Fitch At Le Mans 1954
In-Reply-To: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>
References: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <5095C91B.8040701@bradakis.com>

As you've noticed the basic mailman email lists like this one do not 
allow attachments.
Send the photos directly to me and I'll put them where folks can see them.

I'd suggest using the Team.Net forums, but they currently aren't working 
quite
right.  Hopefully I'll get that fixed soon, but the problem at the 
moment is some
denial of service and automated spam attacks directed at various mailman 
sites.
Computers can be so much fun.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Nov  4 20:55:27 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 20:55:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] John Fitch photos
Message-ID: <509738AF.80405@bradakis.com>

A couple of nice pictures from LeMans.


http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=132


mjb.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:46:39 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:46:39 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tappets
In-Reply-To: <5095C91B.8040701@bradakis.com>
References: <440764EF8FAD443E9C40CD329828C8D6@Bucktailus>
	<5095C91B.8040701@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <000301cdbb75$23b366e0$6b1a34a0$@com>

Back in time I reported about that I always grind my tappets flat as only
domed ones are on the market.

Today I bought a new set and was amazed that they are perfect flat, no
regrind needed....have a look:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-moHnemvOoI0/UJfrIMoHBbI/AAAAAAAABjA/8qMo_
D6jbFc/s972/DSC02992.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V9PziuUrLds/UJfq-MbvNJI/AAAAAAAABi4/F98nS
Om_WRw/s1079/DSC02991.JPG

And the racing ones are a lot shorter.

Cheers
Chris


From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 12:30:49 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:30:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
Message-ID: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>

I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.

The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
issue?

http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM


Robert MacKenzie
Austin Texas
'78 1500 (street)
'71 GT6 MKIII (project)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Mon Nov  5 14:12:19 2012
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:12:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
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Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made against
using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since it is in
affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to have the
warmer 
gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power due to
loss of 
vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
separator and oil 
separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
thoughts on this.  Jim


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  5 14:51:08 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 22:51:08 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
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I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.

Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times so I made a duty heavy
version.

This is the Moroso version:

http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023



My version looks like this:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg



https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg



https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg



https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg



https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH
3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg



Cheers

Chris





-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von sherry robyn
Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?



Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since
it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to
have the warmer gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power
due to loss of vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
separator and oil separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
thoughts on this.  Jim _______________________________________________

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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov  5 15:30:04 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:30:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
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They are illegal in all the sanction bodies over here

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 4:51 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.
>
> Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times so I made a duty
heavy
> version.
>
> This is the Moroso version:
>
> http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023
>
>
>
> My version looks like this:
>
>
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
> p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo/xFLZr
> p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw/xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
>
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI/GcSEH
> 3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von sherry robyn
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
> An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
> Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
>
>
>
> Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
> against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since
> it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to
> have the warmer gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power
> due to loss of vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
> separator and oil separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
> thoughts on this.  Jim _______________________________________________
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  5 15:34:35 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:34:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
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Psst....tell nobody.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 23:30
An: MadMarx
Cc: sherry robyn; Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?

They are illegal in all the sanction bodies over here

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2012, at 4:51 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.
>
> Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times so I made a duty
> heavy version.
>
> This is the Moroso version:
>
> http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023
>
>
>
> My version looks like this:
>
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> /xlwAk ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> /xlwAk ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
>
>
>
> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI
> /GcSEH
> 3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von sherry robyn
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
> An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
> Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
>
>
>
> Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
> against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase
> since it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a
> positive to have the warmer gases to burn if there are solids (oil)
> and a loss of power due to loss of vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would
> be vacuum pump to an oil separator and oil separator back to
> crankcase.  I would appreciate any thoughts on this.  Jim
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Nov  5 15:44:36 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:44:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
Message-ID: <B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>

Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
To: 'FOT List'
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video

I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.

The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
issue?

http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM


Robert MacKenzie
Austin Texas
'78 1500 (street)
'71 GT6 MKIII (project)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 16:06:15 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:06:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Spitfire Autocross Video
Message-ID: <002301cdbbaa$28943b50$79bcb1f0$@aero>

The course was laid out specifically to keep speeds down.   I am running
dual SU4s.
RM 

-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:46 PM
To: list at mackenzie.aero
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video


Cool, it would be tempting to skip the cones and take a DNF on my last run
just to do a full lap at speed. :)  What carbs you running? I could not make
the left turn stutter go away on my TR6 until I dumped the ZS and went S.U.

Marty

----------------------------------------
> From: list at mackenzie.aero
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:30:49 -0600
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday 
> at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha, my much abused '78 Spitfire. She suffered with a 
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level 
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Nov  5 16:38:02 2012
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:38:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
Message-ID: <50984DDA.8070809@charter.net>

I concur
That's the best autocross I have seen!
Glenn

On 11/5/2012 5:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
> To: 'FOT List'
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
> Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 16:53:15 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:53:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
Message-ID: <6CEED6C9-E929-4D11-80B0-CE175832F9ED@gmail.com>

Didja bop any cones?  I thought I heard one in the slalom on the last
straight.

I assume your SUs have floats that hinge on one side.  If so, which way are
your float hinges oriented?  Laterally or longitudinal to the car?  The better
situation would be if the axis of the hinge pin is lateral so that fuel slosh
in cornering would have little effect on the fuel level seen by the float
during cornering.

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX

On Nov 5, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote:

> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday at
> Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 16:56:01 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:56:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <6CEED6C9-E929-4D11-80B0-CE175832F9ED@gmail.com>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<6CEED6C9-E929-4D11-80B0-CE175832F9ED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cdbbb1$1c467f00$54d37d00$@aero>

What you heard was the last cone of the last slalom on the last run jumping
in front of my car.
R

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:53 PM
To: Robert MacKenzie
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video

Didja bop any cones?  I thought I heard one in the slalom on the last
straight.

I assume your SUs have floats that hinge on one side.  If so, which way are
your float hinges oriented?  Laterally or longitudinal to the car?  The
better situation would be if the axis of the hinge pin is lateral so that
fuel slosh in cornering would have little effect on the fuel level seen by
the float during cornering.

Duncan Charlton
Elgin, TX

On Nov 5, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote:

> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday 
> at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
> 
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a 
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level 
> issue?
> 
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
> 
> 
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  5 17:11:15 2012
From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:11:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
In-Reply-To: <004901cdbba5$be1c5c20$3a551460$@com>
Message-ID: <1352160675.65293.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I'm sure you could scvange the gases with the exhaust. Drag races do it.
Guy Morter
Vintage Auto Service
262 573 4511

Flatheads Forever!


--- On Mon, 11/5/12, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
> To: "'John Hasty'" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> Cc: "'Triumph 'Friends  ofTriumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, November 5, 2012, 10:34 PM
> Psst....tell nobody.
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 23:30
> An: MadMarx
> Cc: sherry robyn; Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate
> the crankcase?
>
> They are illegal in all the sanction bodies over here
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 4:51 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I use a evacuation system to the exhaust.
> >
> > Unfortunately the valves on the market failed 3 times
> so I made a duty
> > heavy version.
> >
> > This is the Moroso version:
> >
> > http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=13023
> >
> >
> >
> > My version looks like this:
> >
> > https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> > /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> > /xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PuuLY_iCrug/UESoEDxFTnI/AAAAAAAABZo
> > /xFLZr p-IiCg/s919/Saarbr%C3%BCcken-20120828-00175.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fEQ_hpneNe0/UESoNk8sIEI/AAAAAAAABZw
> > /xlwAk
> ULsBvQ/s919/Kleinblittersdorf-20120828-00176.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tEf8uoPfIBo/UJJmlQug4SI/AAAAAAAABhI
> > /GcSEH
> > 3d4wnU/s972/20121101_130726.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> Im
> > Auftrag von sherry robyn
> > Gesendet: Montag, 5. November 2012 22:12
> > An: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
> > Betreff: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to
> evacuate the crankcase?
> >
> >
> >
> > Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the
> argument made
> > against using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate
> the crankcase
> > since it is in affect a vacuum leak introduced. 
> While it may be a
> > positive to have the warmer gases to burn if there are
> solids (oil)
> > and a loss of power due to loss of vacuum, maybe the
> ideal setup would
> > be vacuum pump to an oil separator and oil separator
> back to
> > crankcase.  I would appreciate any thoughts on
> this.  Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
> fot at autox.team.net
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From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Mon Nov  5 17:27:41 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:27:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tappets
In-Reply-To: <000301cdbb75$23b366e0$6b1a34a0$@com>
Message-ID: <BA.59.14780.D7958905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

This could be a fun thread.... I learned many years ago that flat tappets
were intentionally made with a very slight crown which helps establish
rotation of the tappet while riding on the camshaft.  The cam lobe is
normally offset from the centerline of the tappet in order to help with the
rotation of the tappet also.  There are several companies here that grind
tappets and all that I know of grind a crown on them.

I would like to hear what the rest of the masses have to say about this
subject as I am always ready to learn!

Steve Yott 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:47 AM
To: 'triumph friends'
Subject: [Fot] Tappets

Back in time I reported about that I always grind my tappets flat as only
domed ones are on the market.

Today I bought a new set and was amazed that they are perfect flat, no
regrind needed....have a look:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-moHnemvOoI0/UJfrIMoHBbI/AAAAAAAABjA/8qMo_
D6jbFc/s972/DSC02992.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V9PziuUrLds/UJfq-MbvNJI/AAAAAAAABi4/F98nS
Om_WRw/s1079/DSC02991.JPG

And the racing ones are a lot shorter.

Cheers
Chris
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  5 17:54:09 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:54:09 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Tappets   Tons of info on the list archives
Message-ID: <27213983.1352163249565.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

This has been discussed A LOT.

Read here:  http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=lifters&submit=Search!&idxname=fot&max=10&result=normal&sort=score

and here:  http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=tappets&submit=Search!&idxname=fot&max=10&result=normal&sort=score

~Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Yott <tr4 at wi.rr.com>
>Sent: Nov 5, 2012 4:27 PM
>To: 'MadMarx' <tr4racing at googlemail.com>, 'triumph friends' <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Tappets
>
>This could be a fun thread.... I learned many years ago that flat tappets
>were intentionally made with a very slight crown which helps establish
>rotation of the tappet while riding on the camshaft.  The cam lobe is
>normally offset from the centerline of the tappet in order to help with the
>rotation of the tappet also.  There are several companies here that grind
>tappets and all that I know of grind a crown on them.
>
>I would like to hear what the rest of the masses have to say about this
>subject as I am always ready to learn!
>
>Steve Yott 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of MadMarx
>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:47 AM
>To: 'triumph friends'
>Subject: [Fot] Tappets
>
>Back in time I reported about that I always grind my tappets flat as only
>domed ones are on the market.
>
>Today I bought a new set and was amazed that they are perfect flat, no
>regrind needed....have a look:
>
>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-moHnemvOoI0/UJfrIMoHBbI/AAAAAAAABjA/8qMo_
>D6jbFc/s972/DSC02992.JPG
>
>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V9PziuUrLds/UJfq-MbvNJI/AAAAAAAABi4/F98nS
>Om_WRw/s1079/DSC02991.JPG
>
>And the racing ones are a lot shorter.
>
>Cheers
>Chris
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Nov  5 18:15:03 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:15:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?
In-Reply-To: <1352149939.28156.YahooMailRC@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.191.1638252574.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

One of my local speed shops sells a 12Volt vacuum pump just for that reason.
I understand it's a GM part. I've heard of cars that pull 11in. of vacuum.
In those cases some reverse their oil seals or it pulls air into the system.
I had considered it and still haven't given up on it yet. I have a sealed
system and use the Moroso exhaust extractor which works really good. I can
actually measure vacuum at my valve cover filler cap. Unfortunately it pegs
my gauge so I can't offer up a number.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of sherry robyn
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 2:12 PM
To: Triumph 'Friends ofTriumph'
Subject: [Fot] Is anyone using a vacuum pump to evacuate the crankcase?

Reading other places on crankcase evacuation, I see the argument made
against
using the carbs or intake manifold to evacuate the crankcase since it is in
affect a vacuum leak introduced.  While it may be a positive to have the
warmer 
gases to burn if there are solids (oil) and a loss of power due to
loss of 
vacuum, maybe the ideal setup would be vacuum pump to an oil
separator and oil 
separator back to crankcase.  I would appreciate any
thoughts on this.  Jim
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 19:16:25 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:16:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
In-Reply-To: <50984DDA.8070809@charter.net>
References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
	<50984DDA.8070809@charter.net>
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Here is another video of the same event. 
http://youtu.be/XyIvRtyVSSY
In this case it is Mike Jankowski in his Spit 1500 winning the class.

Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Glenn Franco
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:38 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video

I concur
That's the best autocross I have seen!
Glenn

On 11/5/2012 5:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
> To: 'FOT List'
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday 
> at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
>
> The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a 
> miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level 
> issue?
>
> http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
>
>
> Robert MacKenzie
> Austin Texas
> '78 1500 (street)
> '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 19:17:05 2012
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:17:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A run at Harris Hill this past Sunday's autocross
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVsHQHYDiRbghORMgKY9aMJdp0nz7GyU4k3wRBYtEczWdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I finally got around to posting the best video I had from this
weekend at Harris Hill. Robert MacKenzie and I were both in FSP. I was able
to take the class win by 1.49 secs over a Toyota Corolla GTS. My 78 Spit is
very lightly modified: poly rear radius arm bushings, lowered front
springs, Pertronix ignition, aluminium radiator, electric cooling fan,
4into 1 header, standard intermediate pipe into a Cherry Bomb muffler, twin
SU carbs. Now to tighten up the handling a bit.

 http://youtu.be/XyIvRtyVSSY
Mike


From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 19:54:49 2012
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 20:54:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
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References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
	<50984DDA.8070809@charter.net> <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVucHfytyTibVHy6kdipCYKbarsFgOCJ+e0ttduqY=kB=g@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I think I may have misposted when I tried to post this earlier.
Anyway, my car is slightly modified with poly rear radius arms bushings,
lower front springs, aluminum radiator, electric cooling fan, Pertronix
ignition, 4 into 1 header, standard imtermediate pipe, and a Cherry Bomb
muffler at the back. Now to tighten up the handling...

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Robert MacKenzie <list at mackenzie.aero>wrote:

> Here is another video of the same event.
> http://youtu.be/XyIvRtyVSSY
> In this case it is Mike Jankowski in his Spit 1500 winning the class.
>
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Glenn Franco
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:38 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
>
> I concur
> That's the best autocross I have seen!
> Glenn
>
> On 11/5/2012 5:44 PM, Joe Curry wrote:
> > Now that's what I call a "Real" autocross.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie
> > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:31 PM
> > To: 'FOT List'
> > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
> >
> > I thought I should share some video from an Autocross I ran yesterday
> > at Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, Texas.
> >
> > The car is Marsha,  my much abused '78 Spitfire.  She suffered with a
> > miss-fire coming out of the sweepers; could this be a float bowl level
> > issue?
> >
> > http://youtu.be/9RSIp8h8-TM
> >
> >
> > Robert MacKenzie
> > Austin Texas
> > '78 1500 (street)
> > '71 GT6 MKIII (project)
> > '62 Spitfire 4 (race)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov  5 20:08:58 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:08:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Autocross Video
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References: <001801cdbb8c$1058e810$310ab830$@aero>
	<B3DF5973488D4D24BFD6E8743CDD91C3@Vista>
	<50984DDA.8070809@charter.net> <000101cdbbc4$b94cba90$2be62fb0$@aero>
Message-ID: <50987F4A.2060609@bradakis.com>

Thanks for the videos, guys, brought back some memories.  I used to enjoy
autocross, and was reasonably good at it.  Maybe I'll get a reasonably 
steady
income soon and can put Killer back together and get back into it.

mjb.


From list at mackenzie.aero  Mon Nov  5 20:21:31 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 21:21:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] ARP Part Numbers - Spitfire 1296 crank to flywheel bolts ???
Message-ID: <000501cdbbcd$d1bebac0$753c3040$@aero>

Does anybody have the correct part numbers for the APP flywheel bolts used
on the 1296/1500 engine?  I recall they are also used on a GM product
somewhere...

Austin Texas
'78 1500 (street)
'71 GT6 MKIII (project)
'62 Spitfire 4 (race)


From goodparts at verizon.net  Tue Nov  6 12:15:28 2012
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:15:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
Message-ID: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>

I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past. The
car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log book.
Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
bad shape and has little value.Thanks.

Richard Good


From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Nov  6 12:57:10 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:57:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOQLSuSx3V=iRH1E12dgYH6XwQYgwq0Eskut74ThXpgecQ@mail.gmail.com>

It's kind of like buying a serial number plate and a title. You can (in
some sanctioning bodies) build a totally new car with little or nothing
more than the logbook as long as the logbook doesn't say otherwise.

Bob


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Richard Good <goodparts at verizon.net> wrote:

> I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past.
> The
> car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log
> book.
> Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
> bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
>
> Richard Good
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov  6 12:57:23 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <C412DB20-D05B-4A4B-AAF7-6538144FF117@me.com>

Only if Paul Newman's name is in the log book.

On Nov 6, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Richard Good wrote:

I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past. The
car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log book.
Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
bad shape and has little value.Thanks.

Richard Good
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Tue Nov  6 13:07:22 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9 ARP Flywheel bolts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1352228401.1759.fot@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <OF1D5EBBEE.C2607569-ON85257AAE.006E4DE2-85257AAE.006E8CF9@us.ibm.com>

I've drilled out the flywheel and crank on my small journal 1296 and use
these bolts.



Description
Brand: ARP
Part Number: 350-2802
Ford 351 Nascar V8, uses 3/4" socket, .925" Under Head Length, 7/16"-20"
Thread Size, Pro Series ARP Flywheel Bolt Kit 350-2802

G. Michael Harmuth


63 Spit racecar
70 GT6
77 Spit 1500
80 Spit 1500

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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Nov  6 13:46:46 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:46:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <CALCydYrC=BNXHnuyocR24LysD_gH5cF1KQu13ytB92HhLX7BLQ@mail.gmail.com>

The log book definitely helps add value and certain lineage to the car. The
down side, in this case,  is that the log book goes with the car (which is
apparently pretty far gone). For the log book to have any real value beyond
its pretty picture and autographs and it's matter of historical record...it
would of coarse have to accompany a real car. That being said, perhaps a
primary portion of the car could remain for a restoration.
In this case, important features of log book identity has to do with the
number written in raised lettering on the front of the log book... It must
match the number stamped into the roll bar. I believe SCCA Started this
"official registration" for the 1972 season.
For an SCCA car...The number has 2 parts; the region the car is (was)
registered in (01), and the order it was registered.(001)
Hence (01-001)  = region 1, 1st car registered.
The number, once given, is unique to the car and log book combo and does
not expire or change. Supposedly the # and various facts exist somewhere in
an SCCA archive. Other club racing sanctioning bodies did similar numbering
or perhaps an official "approved" metallic sticker (again on the roll bar).

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Richard Good <goodparts at verizon.net> wrote:

> I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the past.
> The
> car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log
> book.
> Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is in
> bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
>
> Richard Good
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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Nov  6 14:13:18 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:13:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
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	<CALCydYrC=BNXHnuyocR24LysD_gH5cF1KQu13ytB92HhLX7BLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yup. You can saw out the portion of the main hoop with the serial number in
it, take that, the logbook, and the (new) car to the tech inspector and
claim to have put in a new hoop for 'updated safety' and as far as they are
concerned, it is the same car. (Or punch the number into the new roll bar.
But that is cheating. ;)) As I said, excepting if the log book reflects
that the car is totaled and not repairable for competition.

Not really worth doing unless you have a need to have a car with the
lineage.

Bob

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>wrote:

> The log book definitely helps add value and certain lineage to the car. The
> down side, in this case,  is that the log book goes with the car (which is
> apparently pretty far gone). For the log book to have any real value beyond
> its pretty picture and autographs and it's matter of historical record...it
> would of coarse have to accompany a real car. That being said, perhaps a
> primary portion of the car could remain for a restoration.
> In this case, important features of log book identity has to do with the
> number written in raised lettering on the front of the log book... It must
> match the number stamped into the roll bar. I believe SCCA Started this
> "official registration" for the 1972 season.
> For an SCCA car...The number has 2 parts; the region the car is (was)
> registered in (01), and the order it was registered.(001)
> Hence (01-001)  = region 1, 1st car registered.
> The number, once given, is unique to the car and log book combo and does
> not expire or change. Supposedly the # and various facts exist somewhere in
> an SCCA archive. Other club racing sanctioning bodies did similar numbering
> or perhaps an official "approved" metallic sticker (again on the roll bar).
>
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Richard Good <goodparts at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the
> past.
> > The
> > car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing log
> > book.
> > Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car itsef is
> in
> > bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
> >
> > Richard Good
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Tue Nov  6 15:50:50 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:50:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
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Richard,

I bought a Spitfire race car recently that has a SCCA logbook starting  
in 1972. The car was a race car from day one and the logbook indicates  
it was raced at Limerock, Watkins Glen, and other tracks in the east.  
The logbook even has a couple polaroid pictures of the car in race  
trim stapled to it in the back.

I was told that having such a logbook adds to the cars value because  
it shows it has "racing provenance" and that there are some races  
(California I believe) that only include cars that have a long racing  
history as shown by their logbooks.

I'll venture a guess that those that have historical logbooks will  
believe that it adds value and those that don't have such logbooks  
will say it doesn't add value. So of course I'm in the former group  
now but certainly having a logbook adds sex appeal if not value and  
having one is better than not having one when the time comes to sell  
it. If nothing else it adds to the cool factor in my opinion.

Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 6, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Richard Good wrote:

> I have an oppurtunity to by an older TR6 car that was a racer in the  
> past. The
> car has been laid up for many years. The car comes with the racing  
> log book.
> Is there any value to purchasing a car with a log book. The car  
> itsef is in
> bad shape and has little value.Thanks.
>
> Richard Good
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Nov  6 15:55:28 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:55:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
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Hi,

The logbooks does little more than establish "provenance" (in terms of 
vintage) and if you intend to use it on tracks where a logbook is 
required, you get to skip that step...

I'd be more interested in "what is it" and "what's been done" to it than 
the log book. Maybe "where did it run".

If it's like a lot of old race cars, it's probably "used up" so there may 
be little value in the car itself.

Just MHO.

l8r,
rml
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From goodparts at verizon.net  Tue Nov  6 19:26:41 2012
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>
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Thanks to all who responded.  I posted the question for a friend, Boyd 
Wagner and will forward the responses to him.  Boyd has restored a few TR's 
and recently built a Sprite for autocross and hillclimb.  I nominated him to 
our group a while back and he received a second but he has not been 
receiving e-mails.  His e-mail address is whipwagner at comcast.net.  Does he 
need to introduce himself first?

Richard

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From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:55 PM
To: "Richard Good" <goodparts at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 old race car

> Hi,
>
> The logbooks does little more than establish "provenance" (in terms of 
> vintage) and if you intend to use it on tracks where a logbook is 
> required, you get to skip that step...
>
> I'd be more interested in "what is it" and "what's been done" to it than 
> the log book. Maybe "where did it run".
>
> If it's like a lot of old race cars, it's probably "used up" so there may 
> be little value in the car itself.
>
> Just MHO.
>
> l8r,
> rml


From dkettler1 at charter.net  Tue Nov  6 20:54:28 2012
From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 21:54:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <81BB03E8B7714887A25C1EF747A1AADA@AdminPC>
References: <1CE8EADC9819404EB5E54083EDA8776D@AdminPC><Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211061752340.20482@isis.mit.edu>
	<81BB03E8B7714887A25C1EF747A1AADA@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <288DBE5295C1425BA458978FE74CE07B@Davelaptop>

Richard:

If you intend to race the car again in SCCA, the role cage rules differ 
depending upon when the car was constructed/registered.  The logbook will 
show when the car was registered.  All cars registered after 1/1/08 have 
different construction requirements and tubing sizes than those registered 
prior to this date.

If it is an old car and you are going to go through it extensively, it might 
not be a bad idea to upgrade the cage also.

Dave Kettler
Divisional Administrator of Scrutineering
Central Division - SCCA

-----Original Message----- 
From: Richard Good
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 8:26 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 old race car

Thanks to all who responded.  I posted the question for a friend, Boyd
Wagner and will forward the responses to him.  Boyd has restored a few TR's
and recently built a Sprite for autocross and hillclimb.  I nominated him to
our group a while back and he received a second but he has not been
receiving e-mails.  His e-mail address is whipwagner at comcast.net.  Does he
need to introduce himself first?

Richard

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:55 PM
To: "Richard Good" <goodparts at verizon.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 old race car

> Hi,
>
> The logbooks does little more than establish "provenance" (in terms of 
> vintage) and if you intend to use it on tracks where a logbook is 
> required, you get to skip that step...
>
> I'd be more interested in "what is it" and "what's been done" to it than 
> the log book. Maybe "where did it run".
>
> If it's like a lot of old race cars, it's probably "used up" so there may 
> be little value in the car itself.
>
> Just MHO.
>
> l8r,
> rml
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 07:03:31 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:03:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
In-Reply-To: <288DBE5295C1425BA458978FE74CE07B@Davelaptop>
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	<288DBE5295C1425BA458978FE74CE07B@Davelaptop>
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I remember a few years ago that VSCCA was not allowing MGA cars that had not
been race cars in the past to enter. Seems that there were so many folks
building their street cars into race cars they feared it would be like a
huge spec class! I think that restriction is no longer in effect, but I'd
keep the logbook and whatever it takes to build a reincarnation of the TR6
just in case. 

Just my $0.02...


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E) for sale, 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner (KC 5577 L) (it will have soon!)
www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos
"Reality, it's not what you think." 


From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Nov  7 07:04:23 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 09:04:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
Message-ID: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>

Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
I'm looking for cam timing specs.
Thanks!


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Wed Nov  7 07:40:27 2012
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
In-Reply-To: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
Message-ID: <CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>

Scott, call American Cam Grinding at 626-938-0073 and see if it's one of
theirs.  I recently found a TR4 cam in my stash marked M13 and it was a hot
street grind that they had done back in the day. Don


On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
> Thanks!
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 07:41:28 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:41:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
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Sounds like a BFE cam, call Ken Gilanders.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2012, at 8:04 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
> Thanks!
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Nov  7 07:43:02 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:43:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 old race car
Message-ID: <252d.5c06fa23.3dcbcd75@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/07/2012 8:27:05 AM Central Standard Time, 
cwnfot at gmail.com writes:


> I remember a few years ago that VSCCA was not allowing MGA cars that had 
> not
> been race cars in the past to enter. Seems that there were so many folks
> building their street cars into race cars they feared it would be like a
> huge spec class! I think that restriction is no longer in effect, but I'd
> keep the logbook and whatever it takes to build a reincarnation of the TR6
> just in case. 
> 

Clark...

Early on many key movers and shakers within VSCDA went out of their way to 
keep the fold made up of 'certified old race cars' from the so-called 
'Golden Days of Sports Car Racing'.  And the bluer their blood...the better.  Not 
only that, I can't tell you how many times I heard officers and directors 
say, "We don't want race grids made up of a bunch of rusty TR3s."  Since I was 
racing an early TR3, that hurt my feelings.  At that time you could not 
race a Triumph TR4 with the VSCDA."  Bob Wismer asked then President (and 
founder) John Kleen, "When will the Triumph TR4 be approved."  John Kleen 
answered, "Never!"  We owe John Kleen because he was certainly the Founding Father 
and is responsible for the early success of the VSCDA.  In those days the 
race grids were made up of incredible museum pieces...out there on the 
track...running at speed.  That was a joy to behold.  But no matter how pretty, 
small fields won't pay the bills.  So soon the rules were eased, eventually the 
museum pieces stayed home, and life went on with grids made up of lots of 
production based sports cars, many of whom were recently converted into race 
cars.  In the process, a lot of 'problems' were solved and now they go 
really fast.  That too...is a joy to behold.

Just a little history, folks.  No political position intended.

Bill Dentinger


From mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 10:05:01 2012
From: mikeragtopeditor at gmail.com (Mike Jankowski)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:05:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Advice for making my Spitfire faster for Autox
Message-ID: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,
I've finally gotten to the point of feeling that my Spitfire is ready for
some more upgrades. I drive it every day, and am planning on a full
autocross season in 2013. I run in FSP. At the moment I have twin SU carbs,
needles from a 1973 MGB HIF carbset, slightly shaved head, 4-1 header,
stock intermediate pipe, and a Cherry Bomb muffler. Ignition is by
Pertronix. I installed an aluminum radiator with an electric cooling fan
also.

Suspension wise I have poly radius arm bushings, lowered front springs,
standard shocks at all corners. Brakes are standard, too. I have a non-od
4spd and stock 3.89 diff. Currently on the list of upgrades I have front
poly bushings, poly steering rack mounts, and a better exhaust system. I
also have poly shock bushings. Once I put all those on, I'm wondering what
the next step would be, keeping in mind I drive this car every day since
it's my only car.

Thanks,
Mike


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov  7 11:58:17 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:58:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Advice for making my Spitfire faster for Autox
In-Reply-To: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509AAF49.3090609@bradakis.com>

A number of years ago I wrote a piece called "Anatomy of an Autocrosser" 
I think,
about what I did to my Spits.  I'll have to see if I can find it and if 
there is anything
still relevant in there.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov  7 12:11:54 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:11:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Advice for making my Spitfire faster for Autox
In-Reply-To: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD0VeVtHJA-7-dJawhG19ZdXAPdC0cN0HwSzBZjcYhXOkkzH2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509AB27A.4050602@bradakis.com>

See

http://www.team.net/mjb/junior_details.html


mjb.


From j.wags63 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  7 19:11:25 2012
From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 18:11:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
Message-ID: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

     Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it? Is
it worth the big bucks?
Sure looks good on paper.


 John Wagner (just the
wrench)


From malaboge at aol.com  Wed Nov  7 21:32:53 2012
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 23:32:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Wagner <j.wags63 at yahoo.com>
To: Fot <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:34 pm
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer


     Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it? Is
it worth the big bucks?
Sure looks good on paper.


 John Wagner (just the
wrench)


John,

I supplied specs and have had ATI design up a balancer for my TR4 several
years ago.
They should have one available for a TR for you.  The one thing to be sure to
have on it are taper
headed bolts on the front face of the damper (with the accompanying recessed
tapered holes) as the "regular" bolts
are just a tad too close to the rack.

Previously I tried a readily available setup (made with an MG piece I've
heard) and promptly broke my crank!
After the ATI unit (and a new billet crank) I haven't had any issues.

If ATI cannot figure it out, I believe that I still have the drawings
somewhere and could probably even find their part
number for the unit they supplied to me.

A little out of balance myself...
Nick in Nor Cal


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 22:30:31 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:30:31 -0800
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
In-Reply-To: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNAxgwXwb4FNEM1A_2muQ23KZxC197W88CqnJ8oZQ_y1QQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have one.  They mis-keyed it so tdc I'd at 22 degrees.  Works great.
On Nov 7, 2012 6:34 PM, "John Wagner" <j.wags63 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>      Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it?
> Is
> it worth the big bucks?
> Sure looks good on paper.
>
>
>  John Wagner (just the
> wrench)
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Thu Nov  8 05:00:32 2012
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:00:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <ac1ac85af96007856c6d09c2f0cd3a59.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

Well, well, well, guess who's turning
50 today?  Bob Bownes is having a birthday
today.  I hope that its a good one, welcome
to "Official Old Fart" status Bob.

John


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 06:07:24 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNAxgwXwb4FNEM1A_2muQ23KZxC197W88CqnJ8oZQ_y1QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<CAMc4sNAxgwXwb4FNEM1A_2muQ23KZxC197W88CqnJ8oZQ_y1QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9PdVDLtrF3FxGhG9L1=KphawpRE0qy31WjK1JPuSH5UWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ken Glanders sells them and ready to bolt on....British Frame and Engine

Just my two cents

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley <
triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have one.  They mis-keyed it so tdc I'd at 22 degrees.  Works great.
> On Nov 7, 2012 6:34 PM, "John Wagner" <j.wags63 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >      Has anyone tried the ATI harmonic balancer for TR's? Do you like it?
> > Is
> > it worth the big bucks?
> > Sure looks good on paper.
> >
> >
> >  John Wagner (just the
> > wrench)
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
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-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 06:48:25 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:48:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams
In-Reply-To: <CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>

As long as we're at it - I too have a cam that I'd like to identify.
Scrolled in the end is D9 and stamped is Y.2K.
I do know that this is kind of a 3/4 cam from Kent Howards last TR3 race
motor.
Anyone?
Thanks
Dennis

On Nov 7, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net> wrote:

> Scott, call American Cam Grinding at 626-938-0073 and see if it's one of
> theirs.  I recently found a TR4 cam in my stash marked M13 and it was a hot
> street grind that they had done back in the day. Don
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
>> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
>> Thanks!
>> _______________________________________________
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 06:54:13 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:54:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Up Close
Message-ID: <3019CC33-30E7-4EA7-97F5-8D2B8E298CF0@sbcglobal.net>

A M I C I


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  8 07:27:46 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:27:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>

That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam mean,
.75 lift?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Dennis Delap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> As long as we're at it - I too have a cam that I'd like to identify.
> Scrolled in the end is D9 and stamped is Y.2K.
> I do know that this is kind of a 3/4 cam from Kent Howards last TR3 race
> motor.
> Anyone?
> Thanks
> Dennis
>
> On Nov 7, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Don Marshall <donmarshall at nefcom.net> wrote:
>
>> Scott, call American Cam Grinding at 626-938-0073 and see if it's one of
>> theirs.  I recently found a TR4 cam in my stash marked M13 and it was a
hot
>> street grind that they had done back in the day. Don
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with a cam designation of M23-108?
>>> I'm looking for cam timing specs.
>>> Thanks!
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Nov  8 07:36:25 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:36:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] ATI harmonic balancer
In-Reply-To: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352340685.52133.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211080934570.28845@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I bought an ATI for my TR6 from Goodparts. It's awesome. It was literally 
a bolt-on. Well thought out.

rml
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Nov  8 07:46:03 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:46:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday
In-Reply-To: <ac1ac85af96007856c6d09c2f0cd3a59.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <ac1ac85af96007856c6d09c2f0cd3a59.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOTNRwea1ZZPKK-MPG-cM0aUWYySORGDdv3ScnWcwjXivQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks! As long as it doesn't mean I have to go slower. :)


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:00 AM, R. John Lye <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:

> Well, well, well, guess who's turning
> 50 today?  Bob Bownes is having a birthday
> today.  I hope that its a good one, welcome
> to "Official Old Fart" status Bob.
>
> John
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Nov  8 07:47:12 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:47:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
Message-ID: <3a269.97c1594.3dcd1ff0@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/08/2012 8:42:31 AM Central Standard Time, 
fasttrs at yahoo.com writes:


> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam 
> mean,
> .75 lift?
> 

I always thought it was a three quarter 'race cam', or a so-called street 
and track cam.

Bill Dentinger


From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 09:13:33 2012
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:13:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>

Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race cam"
which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.

On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
mean,
> .75 lift?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  8 09:18:45 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:18:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>

Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam sounds
better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
Mike
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race cam"
which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
mean,
>> .75 lift?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Nov  8 10:17:30 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:17:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.192.1638252574.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

I always figured a street cam is 1/2 a cam, a race cam is a full cam 
so halfway in between would be a 3/4 cam...

Tony

At 08:27 AM 11/8/2012, Mike Munson wrote:
>That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam mean,
>.75 lift?
>
>Mike


From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 10:19:35 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:19:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNC-5m2UySJj_6U82u2T7BGV_S8TRV38F-yRB0Upt-FABQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Nov  8 10:24:44 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:24:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>

I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
sounds
> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
cam"
> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
> mean,
>>> .75 lift?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  8 10:37:04 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:37:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>

Now that sounds more scientific Bob!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
sounds
>> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
cam"
>> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
>> mean,
>>>> .75 lift?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 11:04:14 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:04:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Up Close
In-Reply-To: <3019CC33-30E7-4EA7-97F5-8D2B8E298CF0@sbcglobal.net>
References: <3019CC33-30E7-4EA7-97F5-8D2B8E298CF0@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <572EAEDF-5C23-4C95-B9CB-C266D8ABD6E5@sbcglobal.net>

What I ment to say - there is a great Big photo of Bill Babcock racing Peyote
in the current issue of Vintage Motorsport.

> A M I C I
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  8 11:10:15 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:10:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
	<32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <25A61800-66F6-4F24-A061-6C8937EE44BC@sbcglobal.net>

Ted Schumacher - would always say to me, about the 3/4 cam - which quarter of
the race don't you want to race?

On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Now that sounds more scientific Bob!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
> dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
> sounds
>>> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
>>> Mike
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
> cam"
>>> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
>>> mean,
>>>>> .75 lift?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Thu Nov  8 11:15:00 2012
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <3a269.97c1594.3dcd1ff0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20121108181501.LV3QJ.195089.root@hrndva-web19-z02>

Could it be related to duration? 3/4 would be about 270 duration.
JVV

---- BillDentin at aol.com wrote: 
> In a message dated 11/08/2012 8:42:31 AM Central Standard Time, 
> fasttrs at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> 
> > That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam 
> > mean,
> > .75 lift?
> > 
> 
> I always thought it was a three quarter 'race cam', or a so-called street 
> and track cam.
> 
> Bill Dentinger
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Nov  8 11:40:28 2012
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:40:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] race suit
Message-ID: <007301cdbde0$864c8c60$92e5a520$@rr.com>

I have a Worth 3 layer suit in red/white, size Large (5'10"/170 to
~6'2"/200lbs) I offer for a racing donation to someone who can use it. Seat
never soiled and no red mist contamination. 

E-mail me off list if interested.

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Nov  8 17:08:39 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu,  8 Nov 2012 17:08:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Fot] Life is a breeze!
Message-ID: <20121109000839.584692E05B@bradakis.com>

Or, sometimes, strong gusty winds preceding a storm front.  The kind
of winds that break off tree branches.  Tree branches that hit power
lines, or perhaps phone lines, like the one that connects Team.Net
to the world.

Back on the air, I apologise for the service outage.

mjb.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  8 17:34:30 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:34:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] test
Message-ID: <8CF8C291DAD93F2-E90-29AFB@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 15:52:36 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:52:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <20121108174559.24E4F2D1091@autox.team.net>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<20121108174559.24E4F2D1091@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <509C37B4.9020908@gmail.com>

On 11/8/12 10:17 AM, Tony Drews wrote:
> I always figured a street cam is 1/2 a cam, a race cam is a full cam 
> so halfway in between would be a 3/4 cam...
Now the real story is that it was developed for specials. It is for 
those times when you build up a racing special and discover that the 
engine you intend to install does not fit.  You shorten the engine by 
cutting off the front cylinder then you order a 3/4 race cam to handle 
the remaining 3 cylinders   ;)

TeriAnn


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov  8 17:38:28 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:38:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] CONTRACT SIGNED WITH THE OSTHOFF    KASTNER CUP 2013
In-Reply-To: <8CF8C108F3FADF3-E90-28B94@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CF8C07B27D4FB8-E90-2851E@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CF8C108F3FADF3-E90-28B94@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CF8C29AB4619EE-E90-29B4B@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com>

Subject: CONTRACT SIGNED WITH THE OSTHOFF    KASTNER CUP 2013


FOT:

CONTACT INFORMATION

WWW.OSTHOFF.COM

DISCOUNT CODE:   "FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH"

A limited number of rooms have been reserved for our group. These include
"Guest Rooms", "1 BR SUITES", and " 2 BR SUITES". If you want or need a 3
Bedroom Suite, a few of those are available as well.

The suites have living rooms with hide-a-beds, if you choose to use this
feature.

When suites are shared with friends and relatives, they can be an exceptional
value.

The Osthoff is where VSCDA holds activities, which includes "ON THE GREEN", a
car show. We are invited to display our Triumph Race Cars and it would be
great to have at least one example of each model.  I believe this is where the
OLD COURSE RE-ENACTMENT ends. A must do and no cost feature.  Live music and
cash bar will also be situated "ON THE GREEN".

You can expect that Kas and Peg will be well involved in these  activities in
historic Elkhart Lake.

We are the FEATURED MARQUE this weekend and this event will be heavily
promoted by Road America and VSCDA.  See you there.

Hesitate not, in these reservations, starting this Friday to allow time for
computer entries at the OSTHOFF

Regards,


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Nov  8 12:15:00 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:15:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
	<32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <11DD36F0-FF12-48FA-AB8B-11CD75EC2370@austin.rr.com>

Larry Young could do the science. I stop at fractions :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Now that sounds more scientific Bob!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
sounds
>>> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
>>> Mike
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
cam"
>>> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
>>> mean,
>>>>> .75 lift?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Nov  8 19:21:27 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:21:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
	<67364872-49F5-49E0-9789-7BE7B1910CB0@bnj.com>
	<D5AAE5C8-2F8B-4A2E-82A8-93A3AB1EBCF0@yahoo.com>
	<F57742CF-02A2-486D-A819-73D348884CFD@austin.rr.com>
	<32826B38-7B8B-4FDC-9370-B9CCC1BF4779@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.193.1638252574.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

I received a reply from Larry Young that didn't seem to make it to the list:
Tony, that is close.  You'll find the explanation at: 
http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Take_34Race.html.  It's too 
bad no one has ever written Winfield's biography.

Tony

At 11:37 AM 11/8/2012, Mike Munson wrote:
>Now that sounds more scientific Bob!
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > I think it has to due with reducing the diameter of the base circle to 3/4
>dimension to allow for a regrind with increased lift.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks guys. Yeah, Bill, marketing is what I was thinking. 3/4 race cam
>sounds
> >> better than 1/4 street cam! :-/
> >> Mike
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Marketing, derived from "full race cam" and meaning "nearly a full race
>cam"
> >> which begs the question "what is a full race cam" Answer: Marketing.
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Mike Munson <fasttrs at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
> >> mean,
> >>>> .75 lift?
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> fot at autox.team.net
> >>
> >> http://www.fot-racing.com
> >>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Nov  9 00:16:41 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:16:41 +0100
Subject: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?
In-Reply-To: <61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
References: <CC6AD18A-C4B8-42FA-808E-AF45B55AFCC2@me.com>
	<CALsVEtBawFO==GD9Jkv0tPytO-w9yELf9isADTSC5LoAG3Y0DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6AB04-4A16-4D6F-8E44-2C565EBC9CCB@sbcglobal.net>
	<61E47520-B19D-43DB-8A42-64529D4CF0B2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801cdbe4a$2b6fffb0$824fff10$@com>

Could be something English?
They have half a bee too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHx2wI0_rtA


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Mike Munson
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. November 2012 15:28
An: Dennis Delap
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 cams/ 3/4 cams?

That brings up a question I have always had. What does the term 3/4 cam
mean,
.75 lift?

Mike


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Nov  9 00:27:38 2012
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 17:27:38 +1000
Subject: [Fot] re J-type OD enhancements for racing
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b0zq_SvD+hXU3GpJQ8amzUf+z-2MsBQ46kAQ13BxD-OOw@mail.gmail.com>

i have been rebuilding & using these for over 30 years.

there are so many minor variations, its not possible to discuss them here.
the late 80's Volvo 244 ones are usually the best starting point

if built properly, they are very robust and last years of racing without
attention.

biggest problems are  worn planet gear axle shafts & related
bearings/gears. the internal annular gear teeth can be in poor shape if its
had limited oil changes.

email me if you need help or have a specific query.

Terry O'Beirne
Australia


From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 08:16:37 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:16:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNC-5m2UySJj_6U82u2T7BGV_S8TRV38F-yRB0Upt-FABQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC.1B.12302.75E1D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

While I have done a large number of overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes.  It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the Uni-directional clutch with the new style
Replacing the main clutch and starting with an unfinished unit so that one
can machine the thickness to ensure the minimum amount of engagement
movement required.
Polishing the pump check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott   

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

--
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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Nov  9 10:06:34 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:06:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <EC.1B.12302.75E1D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <EC.1B.12302.75E1D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>

Is there any value to using a stronger accumulator spring?

art de armond

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Yott
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:16 AM
To: 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley' ; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

While I have done a large number of overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes.  It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the Uni-directional clutch with the new style
Replacing the main clutch and starting with an unfinished unit so that one
can machine the thickness to ensure the minimum amount of engagement
movement required.
Polishing the pump check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

--
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 10:26:50 2012
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:26:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Suit was spoken for
Message-ID: <011201cdbe9f$674735d0$35d5a170$@rr.com>

I wish I had a dozen to satisfy all the interest, but there was only one.
Sorry.

 

Russ


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  9 10:59:31 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:59:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 a few words on the current planning. ELKHART
 LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL
Message-ID: <8CF8CBB19FAC5CE-750-2C89B@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

Reservations being made at the Osthoff are going well. Especially  from folks
that are familiar with the Osthoff and the value received.

Conference call with FOT Chair, John Houlton and ELVF Event Organizer, Mike
Korneli went very well for first contact.  John and Mike are both on the Board
of Directors of VSCDA and have close ties to ROAD AMERICA management.

For years, I have had folks ask for a "non-festival" event with a "non-profit"
organization and held at a significant track. Well, the worlds finally aligned
in proper order.

Road America in September.....the weather is usually ideal.  "FOUR MILES OF
BLACK MAGIC".

VSCDA has carefully groomed the ELVF event into one of the finest events in
North America.

The Triumph is THE FEATURED MARQUE, and not in the shadows.

Kas Kastner is THE GRAND MARSHALL....................................

This all comes with a certain level of self-determination required.
Fortunately,  17 generous folks stepped up and have become "sponsors" to this
event.

Marty Sukey has a spread sheet showing about 23 drivers, so far (Sam Halkias
is bringing three cars and drivers, again).  I think we are missing 20+ names
of the usual suspects expected to enter.  We use this information for planning
purposes, and to include on the event T-SHIRT. and the number of FOT/VTR
posters, as well as garnering real estate in the paddock.

As in the past, we will be having some interesting visitors that will be
joining us in the paddock....UK, maybe Germany, and from around North America.

More on all of this later......please register your intent to run.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  9 11:12:20 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:12:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
	Springs
Message-ID: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Here's a video I put together from last weekend at Willow Springs with VARA's group 3.
The run-group held 43 cars including many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the DP win with his powerful and well set up TR4.
Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
I had a great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.  Extreme sun and sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and,
as you can see in the video, I've almost perfected the art of getting passed. Still, a weekend with friends at the track can't be beat.

Enjoy 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be


~STEVE


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 12:05:59 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:05:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
In-Reply-To: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AA330934-A102-48B6-A9C0-448B6FF23C79@gmail.com>

Dust -- you might as well be driving in thick fog.  Sheesh.

Racing in Gp 4 (pre-1961; few cars on the track) CVAR last weekend:
http://youtu.be/sSl5ZdE0o00

Duncan
(Texas)

On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:12 PM, steve wrote:

> Here's a video I put together from last weekend at Willow Springs with
VARA's group 3.
> The run-group held 43 cars including many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the
DP win with his powerful and well set up TR4.
> Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
> I had a great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.
Extreme sun and sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and,
> as you can see in the video, I've almost perfected the art of getting
passed. Still, a weekend with friends at the track can't be beat.
>
> Enjoy
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be
>
>
> ~STEVE
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>
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  9 12:10:48 2012
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:10:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>
References: <EC.1B.12302.75E1D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
	<2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>
Message-ID: <1352488248.20528.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all.  re: A type OD. units: many years ago I modified some of these for
TR 3 and 4 cars by shimming the accumulator springs with washers and drilling
out the relief hole in the valve to allow the pressure the exit rapidly. I
found this quite effective in allowing the OD to shift in and out quickly.
Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will not
allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the travel. The result
is disaster! Don't ask how I know. Cheers, Ed.


 
Ed Diehl
________________________________
 From: "riverside at southslope.net"
<riverside at southslope.net>
To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen
Kelley' <triosan at gmail.com>; 'Friends' <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday,
November 9, 2012 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
Is there any value to using a stronger accumulator spring?

art de armond
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012
9:16 AM
To: 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley' ; 'Friends'
Subject: Re:
[Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

While I have done a large number of
overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes. 
It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has
an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of
items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for
the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting
the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the
Uni-directional clutch with the new style
Replacing the main clutch and
starting with an unfinished unit so that one
can machine the thickness to
ensure the minimum amount of engagement
movement required.
Polishing the pump
check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality
rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race
prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the
torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen
Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot]
J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents
or references?

--
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  9 12:46:03 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:46:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: OD mainshafts
In-Reply-To: <8D2C5A38-5649-47C0-9002-63C48D0C74F2@columbus.rr.com>
References: <8D2C5A38-5649-47C0-9002-63C48D0C74F2@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CF8CC9FB7E007E-750-2D2D1@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>

 Tom Householder needs a source for repairing OD mainshafts....can anyone
help?



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:36 pm
Subject: OD mainshafts


Joe

  I have a couple of early  Overdrive mainshafts that I need
fixed ,,,, can you recommend someone

  tom


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri Nov  9 13:00:48 2012
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:00:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
Message-ID: <28a20.7b30e173.3dcebaf0@aol.com>

Steve!
 
Awesome video!  You really caught the joy of the setting sun thru turn  
nine that we enjoy every year.  Great drive and a GREAT video, 
 
GT6 #4, Steve
 
 
In a message dated 11/9/2012 10:33:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
colordog.1 at earthlink.net writes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be


From jaxonracing at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  9 13:29:04 2012
From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:29:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
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Great Video.

Fun to watch.. Wow that dust is something if a guy gets off
track.


________________________________
 From: steve
<colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday,
November 9, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big
Bore Bash at Willow Springs
 
Here's a video I put together from last weekend
at Willow Springs with VARA's group 3.
The run-group held 43 cars including
many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the DP win with his powerful and well set
up TR4.
Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
I had a
great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.  Extreme sun and
sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and,
as you can see in the video, I've
almost perfected the art of getting passed. Still, a weekend with friends at
the track can't be beat.

Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be


~STEVE
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov  9 13:42:27 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:42:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: LANKY FOUSHEE GROUP 44
In-Reply-To: <C40AFB06-BE0A-42AF-B0E6-DA2737FF2B1F@grassrootsmotorsports.com>
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 I am starting to get word from sources that Lanky Foushee has passed away.  I
am sure many of us would want to know this.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





to: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at CS.COM>
Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:36 pm
Subject: LANKY FOUSHEE GROUP 44










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Subject: [Marlboro_Raceway] Lank
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Steve Knoll called today to tell me that Group 44's Crew Chief, Lanky Foushee,
passed away this morning from cancer. At this time I do not have any further
information.

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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Nov  9 13:44:55 2012
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Lanky
Message-ID: <001801cdbebb$13a5b0c0$3af11240$@net>

FYI

Craig



Marlboro Veterans,

Steve called me today to tell me that Group 44's Crew Chief, Lanky Foushee
passed away this morning from cancer. I do not have any other information.

Steve


From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Fri Nov  9 14:03:22 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:03:22 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
 Springs
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01C9279BA3E7@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

As always, a superb presentation by SB.  He's a totally cool, multipurpose
guy...


Ed Dunn
Spitfire #22
GT6 #757


West Coast Vintage Racing
2240 Encinitas Blvd. Suite D-101
Encinitas, CA 92024

760-492-3814
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From john at race-dogs.com  Fri Nov  9 13:41:07 2012
From: john at race-dogs.com (John Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:41:07 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at
 Willow	Springs
In-Reply-To: <21895012.1352484741000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <000701cdbeba$8b9e3c10$a2dab430$@race-dogs.com>

Awesome Video Steve- Making me miss the Spitfire days!
Great drive for Ken as well, you all have come a long way since drivers
school.
You all represent VARA and the Vintage community with a high bar to reach!!
Looking forward to some more karting and collaboration!

Regards,
JW


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of steve
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:12 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Action in-car video from VARA's Big Bore Bash at Willow
Springs

Here's a video I put together from last weekend at Willow Springs with
VARA's group 3.
The run-group held 43 cars including many quick sedans.  Ken Knight took the
DP win with his powerful and well set up TR4.
Watch for the shot where we see Ken zipping through turn 9!
I had a great weekend but struggled for grip with my well-worn tires.
Extreme sun and sudden dust clouds were a nuisance and, as you can see in
the video, I've almost perfected the art of getting passed. Still, a weekend
with friends at the track can't be beat.

Enjoy 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnZdjN_G5Y&feature=youtu.be


~STEVE
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Fri Nov  9 14:47:19 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:47:19 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: OD mainshafts
In-Reply-To: <8CF8CC9FB7E007E-750-2D2D1@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>
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depending on the type of repair needed, Flamespray northwest do ex. work.
Thermal spray and grinding service.206 395 2645
 > To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:46:03 -0500
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: OD mainshafts
>
>  Tom Householder needs a source for repairing OD mainshafts....can anyone
> help?
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:36 pm
> Subject: OD mainshafts
>
>
> Joe
>
>   I have a couple of early  Overdrive mainshafts that I need
> fixed ,,,, can you recommend someone
>
>   tom
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 17:54:35 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:54:35 -0800
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <1352488248.20528.YahooMailNeo@web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <31.8F.01425.9C5AD905@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will not
> allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the travel. The
> result
> is disaster! Don't ask how I know. 

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall


From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 18:57:55 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 19:57:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <31.8F.01425.9C5AD905@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <31.38.14780.6A4BD905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

It is amazing as to how much pressure that little pump in the A-type can
generate..... I wound out an 800 lb gauge before I could shut it down!!

PS. It will also BEND parts in the overdrive if it does this..... Ouch!

Steve Yott 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Randall
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:55 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will 
> not allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the 
> travel. The result is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From KENMUN at aol.com  Sat Nov 10 11:18:08 2012
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:18:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Message-ID: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>

anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled  
head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone.  i'm 
not having much luck with the steel gasket.
thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.


From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Fri Nov  9 11:09:16 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:09:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <2803E09233064E36B0717DBF0FA8B894@rileyPC>
Message-ID: <AC.24.14780.1D64D905@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

Art,
In an A-Type definitely yes.... There are actually 3 ways to setup an
accumulator system on the A-Type:

1- Preferred for racing is using the early main case designed for the large
accumulator piston set.  You can identify this case as it has a Welch plug
on the bottom of the main case where the later cases are just molded
aluminum at this area.  With the large piston I can get the competition
accumulator spring which will easily obtain 450 lbs of pressure will really
let you know when you hit overdrive! 

2- If you like a softer engagement you can go with the standard mid cycle
Triumph or Healy overdrive which use the smaller accumulator setup.  I run
these at around 350 to 400 lbs of pressure and they slide into overdrive
without the aggressiveness of the above setup.

3- This one is interesting where I use the smaller accumulator piston setup
but with a Jag spring setup which is middle of the road and the pressure is
around 475 lbs.

The huge difference here is that the A-Type overdrive uses an accumulator
system which gives immediate pressure to the operating pistons when engaged.
The J-Type uses a bleed off system where there is always about 15 - 20 lbs
of pressure on the system in a bypass mode and this is to provide
pressurized oil for the mainshaft to oil all of the rear bearings, bushings
etc.  When you engage the J-Type the solenoid blocks the bypass and send the
pressurized oil to the operating pistons but since there is no accumulator
it takes time for the pump to provide enough oil and pressure to move them
to the point of clutch engagement.  

What to use in your car is of total personal preference.  Both units have
their advantages.  The A-Type is more adjustable in operation as stated
above but it contains nearly twice the number of parts vs. the J-Type
(reliability).  A well sorted A-Type is very reliable but is more difficult
to get to that point.  The J-Type is much less aggressive in operation and
not as adjustable but they rarely fail!  I have built a couple of J-Types
that are hard to discern in engagement speed over an A-Type even without the
accumulator setup and on occasion I have added in a lockout switch on the
top cover to allow J-Type operation in second gear which I love to use
especially on the Tail of the Dragon!!!

Again it boils down to what you have and what you would like to run.  They
are both very good units.  There is a key fact that everyone with an
overdrive needs to understand and that is oiling pressure.  The J-Type as
described above provides constant oiling pressure with the bypass valve
which allows the 15-20 lbs of oil pressure to run through the mainshaft to
keep all the parts well oiled and cool.  The A-Type provides total
accumulator pressure to the mainshaft through the center bushings.  This
pressure is a must or you will not have lubrication to the remaining parts.
I have seen a number of A-Type drivers that tell me their overdrive is not
working and just let it go at that.  If there is a pressure issue it WILL
destroy the overdrive!!!!  Always check your pressure at the top operating
port valve plug on the A-Type and at the bottom oil pressure port on the
J-Type.

Steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: riverside at southslope.net [mailto:riverside at southslope.net] 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:07 AM
To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley'; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Is there any value to using a stronger accumulator spring?

art de armond

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Yott
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:16 AM
To: 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley' ; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

While I have done a large number of overdrives, mostly A-Types I have to
admit not too many for racing purposes.  It is said that the A-Type does a
better job for the race cars because it has an accumulator system which
enables quicker engagement. There is a list of items I do for the A-type
units for racing but there are actually very few for the J-Type.

Replacing the relief valve with an uncushioned type and setting the pressure
for about 500 lbs would be one of the first steps.
Replacing the Uni-directional clutch with the new style Replacing the main
clutch and starting with an unfinished unit so that one can machine the
thickness to ensure the minimum amount of engagement movement required.
Polishing the pump check valve seat to ensure a good seal.

Other than that a high quality rebuild and inspection of all bearings,
shafts etc.

The idea behind race prepping either unit is to have the unit engage as fast
as possible, hold the torque without slipping and then disengage as fast as
possible.

Steve Yott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:20 AM
To: Friends
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Anybody have any good suggestions, documents or references?

--
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Sat Nov 10 17:00:24 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:00:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Message-ID: <1a0a.12c8346e.3dd04497@aol.com>

Alas, many of us have tried this with negative results in distances  
measured in feet, not races.
Much has been posted about head gaskets; I never had to "O" ring a good  
steel gasket, and I always used GM gasket sealing compound # 1050026
 
TR Regards, 
 Hardy
 
 
From:  KENMUN at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head  gasket
Message-ID: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460 at aol.com>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

anyone having success with the stock  composite head gasket on a milled  
head. my head has been milled  .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone. 
 i'm 
not having much  luck with the steel gasket.
thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage  racer.


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Sat Nov 10 21:23:31 2012
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 20:23:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel pressure for ZS carbs
Message-ID: <1352607811.84283.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

What is the best working fuel pressure for stock twin Zenith-Strombergs on a
stock TR6?  Thanks, Jim


From levilevi at comcast.net  Sat Nov 10 23:36:28 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:36:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel pressure for ZS carbs
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Message-ID: <1DC2CF69-3158-437F-B16A-8268E7207E9D@comcast.net>

1.5 to 2 psi works best on my ZS carbs. I use a pressure regulator  
because my fuel pump was putting out around 4 psi which made it push  
fuel past the float valve and miss.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 10, 2012, at 9:23 PM, sherry robyn wrote:

> What is the best working fuel pressure for stock twin Zenith- 
> Strombergs on a
> stock TR6?  Thanks, Jim
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Nov 11 10:37:40 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:37:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Transporting
Message-ID: <D58354B2-8919-4B98-A65F-A3EC8C2E50D7@aol.com>

Amici.
Anyone passing threw Sparks Nevada (just north of Reno) on their way to the
Maryland area that can bring a riding lawnmower?

I found one for parts that I am interested.


From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Nov 12 09:32:12 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:32:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <31.8F.01425.9C5AD905@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <31.8F.01425.9C5AD905@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <A36FD0CA144946F6857EC0EADEDFF0CC@rileyPC>

Will replacing the TR spring with an AH 3000 spring
get more pressure without the need for shims?

art de armond

-----Original Message----- 
From: Randall
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:54 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will not
> allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the travel. The
> result
> is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Mon Nov 12 12:20:42 2012
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:20:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
In-Reply-To: <A36FD0CA144946F6857EC0EADEDFF0CC@rileyPC>
Message-ID: <37.DC.12302.B0C41A05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

Not necessarily.  Over Drive Spares in the UK produces a competition spring
for the A-Type which will get you in the 450 lb. range.  Unless you are
having slippage issues there is no need for more pressure!  Pressure will
only provide hold power and does not effect the speed of operation to any
noticeable effect.  Be extremely careful if using shims because if you
venture just a tad too far, which is not much you will block the relief port
and possibly break your overdrive unit!

Steve Yott 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:32 AM
To: Randall; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Will replacing the TR spring with an AH 3000 spring get more pressure
without the need for shims?

art de armond

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:54 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will 
> not allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the 
> travel. The result is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Nov 12 13:24:37 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:24:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing
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I remember a lime green TR3 at road america circa 1971 at an
early regional.   He qualified front row, maybe pole.  It sounded
like he shifted about 4 times between canada corner and the Mitchell bridge.
Nice crisp, hard fast shifts for about 4 laps, then the o'dr upshifts got
pretty lazy and his times fell of a bit and a bathtub passed him. Curses!
He needed a bit more enhancement  (for his overdrive).
Anybody know who the TR3 driver was?

art


-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Yott
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:20 PM
To: riverside at southslope.net ; 'Randall' ; 'Friends'
Subject: RE: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Not necessarily.  Over Drive Spares in the UK produces a competition spring
for the A-Type which will get you in the 450 lb. range.  Unless you are
having slippage issues there is no need for more pressure!  Pressure will
only provide hold power and does not effect the speed of operation to any
noticeable effect.  Be extremely careful if using shims because if you
venture just a tad too far, which is not much you will block the relief port
and possibly break your overdrive unit!

Steve Yott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:32 AM
To: Randall; 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

Will replacing the TR spring with an AH 3000 spring get more pressure
without the need for shims?

art de armond

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:54 PM
To: 'Friends'
Subject: Re: [Fot] J-tpe OD enhancements for racing

> Care must be taken to not shim the spring too much as the spring will
> not allow the piston to clear the relief hole at the end of the
> travel. The result is disaster! Don't ask how I know.

You too, huh?  Just to expand a bit, make sure there is enough travel before
coil bind to fully uncover the relief hole (or holes).  The pressure was
fine on the bench ...

Randall
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov 12 13:40:08 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:40:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] FW: [Marlboro_Raceway] Lanky Foushee arrangements
 and memorial comments
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[TR] FW: [Marlboro_Raceway] Lanky Foushee arrangements and 
memorial comments
Date: 	Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:25:25 -0500
From: 	James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
To: 	<triumphs at autox.team.net>



FYi - For those fans of Group 44,  Lankey Foushee, mechanic to the team,
just passed away. See notice below.

Jim Henningsen






Please distribute to all our friends. I plan on seeing you there Sunday.


Lawton Langston Foushee, Jr


*

Lawton Langston Foushee, Jr., 75, of Sanford, passed away on November 8,
2012 at Central Carolina Hospital.

He was born on September 18, 1937 to the late Lawton, Sr. and Vera Foushee.

Lawton proudly served in the USAF from 1956-1961.  During his time in the
Air Force he was assigned to "Presidential Aircraft Maintenance" and
specialized in maintenance and trip preparation of aircraft assigned to
convey the President of the United States and high ranking military and
cabinet level civilians.  After his service in the Air Force he went on to
work for a Pontiac dealership and then went on to work for Group 44
racecars, where he later retired from in 1997.

He is survived by his brother; Gerald Ray Foushee; sister, Joan Foushee
Lunsford; niece, Deborah Leigh Lunsford and nephew, Delano A. Lunsford;
great-nieces, Amelia, Deanna and Sara and one great great nephew, Toby
Alian.

A visitation will be held on Sunday from 2:00-4:00PM at the Miller-Boles
Funeral Home in Sanford.  A graveside service will be held on Monday 12:00
noon at Buffalo Cemetery.

Rememberances to: http://millerboles.com/lawton-langston-foushee-jr/

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From Catpusher at aol.com  Mon Nov 12 17:28:56 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:28:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
Message-ID: <1d843.28c659b5.3dd2ee48@aol.com>

Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive  
Please see what you can find in the archives. 
For many years the TR3 was one of a very few cars  not allowed alternate 
gearbox ratios in SCCA E Production. Using second gear  overdrive was 
essential with a full race motor to bridge the gap between  2nd and 3rd. I spent 
thousands of hours studying and  modifying the OD. Running a pressure gauge 
during events is necessary, as is not  allowing it to leak on the driver. The 
gauge will show when the solenoid is out  of adjustment, and most critically, 
when there is a running pressure drop. If  the accumulator piston does not 
reach the blow off holes, that oil no longer  gets to several parts. The 
specks for the accumulator bore are very tight, and  honing to remove the steel 
piston ring scratches will only work a few times. The  TR4A IRS/TR6 piston, 
sleeve, and spring provide a much lower volume and  pressure, but a 
replaceable sleeve is a good idea. Much research about piston  displacement and 
pressure pointed me towards a Jaguar sedan assembly that was  NLS, but JRT, 
with the help of a UK Jaguar club, provided a few sets of piston  and sleeves, 
and I also located the matching springs. I did find it necessary to  run an 
oil cooling system with an electric pump and MGC auto gearbox cooler, all  
set low enough that it would not flow back into the gearbox during the early  
laps before the pump was turned on. Keep in mind that I was running slicks 
and  often ran where the track temps were high. 
TR Regards, Hardy


From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov 13 10:08:33 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:08:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Carbs, cams and distributors
References: <BC15A55D-0EDE-4992-8CB0-EE1DEE0630E9@REcatalyst.com>
Message-ID: <0A5D85D6-34F0-4A22-A3C1-A51E7CA68985@me.com>

Just writing to say thanks to all for input, and providing an update on where this all shook out.

It started with SU piston clatter and looking for causes - Henry Frye and others suggested I'd better start with the basics and check cam timing and lash.  Turns out timing was off by a tooth plus four degrees (the offset between the choice of bolt holes on the gear).  The BFE M23-108 cam is now dialed in to specs.

A leak-down test also gave perfect results - 5% or less across the board.

Thinking the ignition was not working correctly, I shipped the crank-triggered ignition module that was in the car off to the manufacturer, and they confirmed that it was not firing consistently throughout the rev range, and at 15 years old or more, was not repairable.  Several of you suggested going back to a Lucas distributor (hmmm, really?) and I got a "rebuilt" one through Jeff at Advanced Distributors.  This is clearly better than new, both in appearance and in re-engineering, and cheaper than almost any alternative.  Jeff says there's good durability and no points scatter up to 10,000 RPM , waaay above the 7,000 this engine is good for.  Plus, I  buy from a guy who supports our hobby and is there for follow-up if needed.   win-win.

The E-prod TR4 now runs and sounds great with no carb clatter, "idles" at 1500, and revs nicely (in the garage, anyway) so the real test will be Summit Point - Turkey Bowl - Thanksgiving weekend.  Hope it's not snowing!  After that, I'll have to decide whether to take this car back to vintage specs or keep it around as-is, with fiberglass flares and racing slicks.


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 13 10:26:55 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:26:55 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
In-Reply-To: <1d843.28c659b5.3dd2ee48@aol.com>
References: <1d843.28c659b5.3dd2ee48@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301cdc1c4$191c5390$4b54fab0$@com>

The only issue I have with a J-OD that it switched off during the race.
The OD always went out and popped in a very short manner.
No idea what this could cause.
- New solenoid (it happened with the old solenoid too)
- wiring is connected well
- oil level little higher than normal

Cheers
Chris


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Betreff: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive

Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
Please see what you can find in the archives.
For many years the TR3 was one of a very few cars  not allowed alternate
gearbox ratios in SCCA E Production. Using second gear  overdrive was
essential with a full race motor to bridge the gap between  2nd and 3rd. I
spent thousands of hours studying and  modifying the OD. Running a pressure
gauge during events is necessary, as is not  allowing it to leak on the
driver. The gauge will show when the solenoid is out  of adjustment, and
most critically, when there is a running pressure drop. If  the accumulator
piston does not reach the blow off holes, that oil no longer  gets to
several parts. The specks for the accumulator bore are very tight, and
honing to remove the steel piston ring scratches will only work a few times.
The  TR4A IRS/TR6 piston, sleeve, and spring provide a much lower volume and
pressure, but a replaceable sleeve is a good idea. Much research about
piston  displacement and pressure pointed me towards a Jaguar sedan assembly
that was  NLS, but JRT, with the help of a UK Jaguar club, provided a few
sets of piston  and sleeves, and I also located the matching springs. I did
find it necessary to  run an oil cooling system with an electric pump and
MGC auto gearbox cooler, all set low enough that it would not flow back into
the gearbox during the early laps before the pump was turned on. Keep in
mind that I was running slicks and  often ran where the track temps were
high.
TR Regards, Hardy
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 10:58:40 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:58:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
In-Reply-To: <000301cdc1c4$191c5390$4b54fab0$@com>
Message-ID: <20121113175840.IE3S6.201780.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>

---- MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote: 
> The only issue I have with a J-OD that it switched off during the race.
> The OD always went out and popped in a very short manner.

FWIW, when I had that problem, it turned out to be the little ground wire for the solenoid.  The quick connect was trapped on the tab, would not pull off easily, but was very slightly loose.  Vibration, heat and the ever-present oil film would let it open up for just a fraction of a second, then connect again.  

Replacing the quick connect and cleaning up the brown corrosion on the tab solved the problem.

I have also had a lockout switch that would do the same thing.  Removing the shim washer got it working again.  But I doubt you have those on your race car.

Randall


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Nov 13 10:59:54 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:59:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Any tricks on inserting pistons into TR3 brake calipers?
Message-ID: <BLU173-W3821B18032A00C2BA01CB9906C0@phx.gbl>

Gang, bought some Kits from VB and am shearing them apart as I stuff the new
pistons into the calipers.   Are there better Kits out thee I should have
bought since I will be buying new ones anyway? Thanks for your help.  Cheers,
Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 13 11:21:41 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:21:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
Message-ID: <29771483.1352830902054.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hardy, I found your detailed OD info very illuminating.  No, I don't even run an OD unit in my TR3 but I enjoyed your write-up nonetheless.  I can see that you've put a huge amount of time and effort into pushing your machine to it's uppermost limits of power and reliability.  Very cool!

~Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: Catpusher at aol.com
>Sent: Nov 12, 2012 4:28 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Cc: HRPTR3 at aol.com
>Subject: [Fot] Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive
>
>Racing a TR3 A Type Overdrive  
>Please see what you can find in the archives. 
>For many years the TR3 was one of a very few cars  not allowed alternate 
>gearbox ratios in SCCA E Production. Using second gear  overdrive was 
>essential with a full race motor to bridge the gap between  2nd and 3rd. I spent 
>thousands of hours studying and  modifying the OD. Running a pressure gauge 
>during events is necessary, as is not  allowing it to leak on the driver. The 
>gauge will show when the solenoid is out  of adjustment, and most critically, 
>when there is a running pressure drop. If  the accumulator piston does not 
>reach the blow off holes, that oil no longer  gets to several parts. The 
>specks for the accumulator bore are very tight, and  honing to remove the steel 
>piston ring scratches will only work a few times. The  TR4A IRS/TR6 piston, 
>sleeve, and spring provide a much lower volume and  pressure, but a 
>replaceable sleeve is a good idea. Much research about piston  displacement and 
>pressure pointed me towards a Jaguar sedan assembly that was  NLS, but JRT, 
>with the help of a UK Jaguar club, provided a few sets of piston  and sleeves, 
>and I also located the matching springs. I did find it necessary to  run an 
>oil cooling system with an electric pump and MGC auto gearbox cooler, all  
>set low enough that it would not flow back into the gearbox during the early  
>laps before the pump was turned on. Keep in mind that I was running slicks 
>and  often ran where the track temps were high. 
>TR Regards, Hardy
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From Janzen at REcatalyst.com  Tue Nov 13 07:30:16 2012
From: Janzen at REcatalyst.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Carbs, cams and distributors
Message-ID: <BC15A55D-0EDE-4992-8CB0-EE1DEE0630E9@REcatalyst.com>

Just writing to say thanks to all for input, and providing an update on where
this all shook out.
It started with SU piston clatter and looking for causes - Henry Frye and
others suggested I'd better start with the basics and check cam timing and
lash.  Turns out it was off by a tooth plus four degrees (the offset between
the choice of bolt holes on the gear).  The BFE M23-108 cam is now dialed in
to specs.
A leak-down test also gave perfect results - 5% or less across the board.
I also shipped the crank-triggered ignition module that was in the car off to
the manufacturer and they confirmed that it was not firing consistently
throughout the rev range, and at 15 years old or more, was not repairable.
Several of you suggested going back to a Lucas distributor (hmmm, really?) and
I got a "rebuilt" one through Jeff at Advanced Distributors.  This is clearly
better than new, both in appearance and in re-engineering, and cheaper than
almost any alternative.  Jeff says good durability and no points scatter up to
10,000 RPM , waaay above the 7,000 this engine is good for.

The E-prod TR4 now runs and sounds great with no carb clatter, idles at 1200,
and revs nicely (in the garage, anyway) so the real test will be Summit Point
- Turkey Bowl - Thanksgiving weekend.  Hope it's not snowing!  After that,
I'll have to decide whether to take this car back to vintage specs or keep it
around as-is, with fiberglass flares and racing slicks.


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 18:34:22 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>

You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than the
old machine shop was).

I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any given
point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an iPhone
with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary event
so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.

Duncan Charlton


On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:

> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid I
might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>
> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short shuttle.
Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a short
hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine shop would
have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of you CVAR
brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park our
cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>
> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
TR6's is space is limited.
>
> Bob Kramer


From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Nov 13 19:04:40 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:04:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.194.1638252574.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Sweet. I wish I was partying down there already. I'm a big F1 junky, year in and year out, regardless of its crazy enterprise antics. 
Wave the FoT flag for us down there for us.
Seriously...wave one of those sweet FoT flags, a good camera shot of that ought to get a comment from David Hobbs...
Have fun, you lucky Texans and others that may attend. It should be very interesting.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing  
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

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From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22 
To: Fireball<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
Cc: FOT of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin

You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than the
old machine shop was).

I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any given
point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an iPhone
with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary event
so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.

Duncan Charlton


On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:

> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid I
might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>
> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short shuttle.
Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a short
hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine shop would
have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of you CVAR
brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park our
cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>
> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
TR6's is space is limited.
>
> Bob Kramer
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 19:13:31 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:13:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A416718-88AB-4FCB-B40D-39A334450BEF@austin.rr.com>

We should do that , I'll look up the app.



Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than the
old machine shop was).
>
> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
given point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an
iPhone with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary
event so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>
> Duncan Charlton
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>
>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid I
might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>
>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
shuttle. Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this
a short hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine
shop would have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any
of you CVAR brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us
park our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>
>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
TR6's is space is limited.
>>
>> Bob Kramer


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 19:17:32 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:17:32 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <1491781698-1352858679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1265820962-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
	<1491781698-1352858679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1265820962-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <C9E7A231-552A-4221-BC70-411776A054CB@austin.rr.com>

I don't have a flag but I do have a banner. Are there any FOT coming from
around the country?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote:

> Sweet. I wish I was partying down there already. I'm a big F1 junky, year in
and year out, regardless of its crazy enterprise antics.
> Wave the FoT flag for us down there for us.
> Seriously...wave one of those sweet FoT flags, a good camera shot of that
ought to get a comment from David Hobbs...
> Have fun, you lucky Texans and others that may attend. It should be very
interesting.
>
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22
> To: Fireball<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
> Cc: FOT of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
> Austin
>
> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in McKinney
> Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than
the
> old machine shop was).
>
> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
given
> point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got an
iPhone
> with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary
event
> so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>
> Duncan Charlton
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>
>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid
I
> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
> keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>
>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
shuttle.
> Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a
short
> hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine shop
would
> have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of you
CVAR
> brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park our
> cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>
>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
> TR6's is space is limited.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 19:19:06 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:19:06 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <6A416718-88AB-4FCB-B40D-39A334450BEF@austin.rr.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
	<6A416718-88AB-4FCB-B40D-39A334450BEF@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C658743C-0DCC-48C4-8737-87BAB663A0AC@austin.rr.com>

My 4s doesn't seem to offer that app. Can we go "old school" and text
locations?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> We should do that , I'll look up the app.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in
McKinney
> Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than
the
> old machine shop was).
>>
>> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
> given point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got
an
> iPhone with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the
temporary
> event so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>>
>> Duncan Charlton
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid
I
> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance and
> keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>>
>>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
> shuttle. Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make
this
> a short hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine
> shop would have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do
any
> of you CVAR brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let
us
> park our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>>
>>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
> TR6's is space is limited.
>>>
>>> Bob Kramer
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Tue Nov 13 19:31:58 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:31:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] More about racing with overdrives
Message-ID: <61c4.e058376.3dd45c9e@aol.com>

By measuring the overdrive pressure and oil temp, it became clear that  
using enough pressure and volume to keep the wet clutch slippage to a minimum  
reduced the oil temp build up and reduced the clutch surface damage.   
Flakes from the clutch can clog the oil filter, and the brake ring can turn  
blue. Needless to say I was not lifting when shifting.
 
TR Regards,
 
Hardy


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 19:32:44 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:32:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <C658743C-0DCC-48C4-8737-87BAB663A0AC@austin.rr.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
	<6A416718-88AB-4FCB-B40D-39A334450BEF@austin.rr.com>
	<C658743C-0DCC-48C4-8737-87BAB663A0AC@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <28482CC4-38D3-405B-91B9-F899F3A760CE@gmail.com>

I downloaded it in the last couple of days through iTunes or through the App
Store on my regular iPhone 4. I'm pretty sure it was free.  Or perhaps it was
an automatic part of the latest version upgrade, which I did last week
sometime.

Otherwise we could text, yet it may be too noisy to recognize the incoming
text (and there may be enough vibration/crowd jostling/general excitement to
be unaware of an incoming text on a phone set to vibrate only.

Duncan


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Bob Kramer wrote:

> My 4s doesn't seem to offer that app. Can we go "old school" and text
locations?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> We should do that , I'll look up the app.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in
McKinney
>> Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park (closer than
the
>> old machine shop was).
>>>
>>> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at any
>> given point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got
an
>> iPhone with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the
temporary
>> event so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>>>
>>> Duncan Charlton
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. I
>> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am afraid
I
>> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the chance
and
>> keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>>>
>>>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
>> shuttle. Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make
this
>> a short hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old
machine
>> shop would have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do
any
>> of you CVAR brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let
us
>> park our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>>>
>>>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could bring
>> TR6's is space is limited.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Kramer
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Nov 13 19:37:35 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:37:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
Message-ID: <mailman.195.1638252574.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

FoT

Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold. In
a hurry

to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
my post season

measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
expecting everything to be 

well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
up with a 

consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
at 59 -60 degrees.

So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
out at 92 degrees.

The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
at a 32 degree increase in temp.

The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most part
at 60 degrees.

jim g


From vangoughv at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 20:03:40 2012
From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:03:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <20121114024618.C063F2D06E7@autox.team.net>
References: <20121114024618.C063F2D06E7@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <SNT402-EAS440C8D7275226D7A0C063A5B2530@phx.gbl>

Wow those are some interesting numbers..

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-13, at 9:47 PM, "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> FoT
>
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
>
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
> my post season
>
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be
>
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
> up with a
>
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
>
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
>
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
>
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
>
> jim g
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From list at mackenzie.aero  Wed Nov 14 07:13:48 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:13:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
 Austin
In-Reply-To: <C9E7A231-552A-4221-BC70-411776A054CB@austin.rr.com>
References: <k7undq+ce4r@eGroups.com>
	<75EC3F0A-BF84-48F0-A28E-8FA665B7CFC2@gmail.com>
	<1491781698-1352858679-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1265820962-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry>
	<C9E7A231-552A-4221-BC70-411776A054CB@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000601cdc272$44bbefc0$ce33cf40$@aero>

I will be there all weekend.  We have General Admission passes so I can't be
sure where we will end up sitting.

Look for the Royal Canadian Air Force Flag, we will be underneath it.

http://shop.flagshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d0
8d6e5fb8d27136e95/f/l/flag-military-can-air-force_1.gif

Robert MacKenzie

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Kramer
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:18 PM
To: jason at multivintage.com
Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend in
Austin

I don't have a flag but I do have a banner. Are there any FOT coming from
around the country?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:04 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote:

> Sweet. I wish I was partying down there already. I'm a big F1 junky, 
> year in
and year out, regardless of its crazy enterprise antics.
> Wave the FoT flag for us down there for us.
> Seriously...wave one of those sweet FoT flags, a good camera shot of 
> that
ought to get a comment from David Hobbs...
> Have fun, you lucky Texans and others that may attend. It should be 
> very
interesting.
>
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:34:22
> To: Fireball<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
> Cc: FOT of Triumph'<fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [cvar_general] Parking for the F1 race this weekend 
> in Austin
>
> You might look into getting a day pass to park at a picnic area in 
> McKinney Falls State Park.  It's not that far from Richard Moya park 
> (closer than
the
> old machine shop was).
>
> I have a seat reserved at turn 6 but who knows where I'll end up at 
> any
given
> point.  I hope I run into a few vintage racers there.  If you've got 
> an
iPhone
> with the new Invite Friends application, we could set up the temporary
event
> so we can find out where each other are in the crowd.
>
> Duncan Charlton
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Fireball wrote:
>
>> Thanks to fellow TR4 racer Bob Blake I have a ticket for the F1 race. 
>> I
> didn't buy one because I have enough hobbies and interests and I am 
> afraid
I
> might get hooked on open wheel racing, but I'm going to take the 
> chance and keep Bob company. I expect other CVARers will be there as well.
>>
>> Bob and I plan on cycling to Richard Moya Park and taking the short
shuttle.
> Ideally we would know somebody close enough to the park to make this a
short
> hop but neither of us does. Until they went belly up my old machine 
> shop
would
> have been a perfect place to hide a car for the day. Sooo, do any of 
> you
CVAR
> brethern live nearby the airport in Austin, and would you let us park 
> our cars? We promise not to put it them on blocks:)
>>
>> This may be a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask. we could 
>> bring
> TR6's is space is limited.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 07:43:36 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:43:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <20121114024615.2CBFA2D0621@autox.team.net>
References: <20121114024615.2CBFA2D0621@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <707133FB-AFB0-4BB5-A4EE-95AB5E95F884@gmail.com>

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4
Red #6


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:

> FoT
>
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
>
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
> my post season
>
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be
>
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
> up with a
>
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
>
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
>
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
>
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
>
> jim g


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Nov 14 07:51:36 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:51:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <707133FB-AFB0-4BB5-A4EE-95AB5E95F884@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.196.1638252574.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

They are forged Wiseco's
jg

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:44 AM
To: Jim Gray
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 
Red #6


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:

> FoT
> 
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
> 
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and
started
> my post season
> 
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be 
> 
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was
coming
> up with a 
> 
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the
pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
> 
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
> 
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
> 
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
> 
> jim g


From list at mackenzie.aero  Wed Nov 14 09:53:26 2012
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:53:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1 pass for Friday
Message-ID: <001201cdc288$91892f00$b49b8d00$@aero>

I have an extra General Admission Pass for the F1 event for Friday.

Free to a good home if you promise to use it.  You will have to pick it up
tomorrow or Friday AM.

Contact me on  (two one zero) four one five - five one zero seven 

Robert MacKenzie


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Nov 14 14:47:01 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:47:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
In-Reply-To: <20121114150016.AB7FD2D07D9@autox.team.net>
References: <707133FB-AFB0-4BB5-A4EE-95AB5E95F884@gmail.com>
	<20121114150016.AB7FD2D07D9@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000801cdc2b1$94401500$bcc03f00$@com>

That must be why Wiseco wants 0.006 clearance with their forged pistons.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:52 AM
To: 'Duncan Charlton'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

They are forged Wiseco's
jg

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:44 AM
To: Jim Gray
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 
Red #6


On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:

> FoT
> 
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold.
In
> a hurry
> 
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and
started
> my post season
> 
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be 
> 
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was
coming
> up with a 
> 
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the
pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
> 
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
> 
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
> 
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most
part
> at 60 degrees.
> 
> jim g
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Nov 14 18:21:07 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:21:07 GMT
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
Message-ID: <20121114.202107.8884.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

Maybe that is why when I ran Wiseco's I was scoring cylinder walls running
their specified clearance.  They grow too much.  Had to run much more
clearance (don't ask me how much - it was too long ago since I stopped using
them) and that stopped the scoring.  Using custom made Diamond pistons and
cylinder wall scoring has not been a problem. Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "'Duncan Charlton'" <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:51:36 -0700

They are forged Wiseco's
jg

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:44 AM
To: Jim Gray
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage

Jim,
That's pretty surprising -- what is the brand of piston?  Cast or forged?

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4
Red #6



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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Nov 14 19:20:59 2012
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:20:59 -0800
Subject: [Fot] I have piston shrinkage
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I no longer build my own Spitfire engines so I'm not sure what the 
clearances are, but I have noticed something similar in the sound of the 
engine during warm up.  Last year, I ran some early season races where 
the temperature was down in the 40's over night.  Upon starting the 
engine, I had a noise that was evidently piston slap until the engine 
warmed up a bit.  Once warm, no noise and the engine ran great.  That 
went away once the low temps warmed up during the summer.  This year, we 
only ran in the summer and the piston slap was never noticeable.

On 11/13/2012 6:37 PM, Jim Gray wrote:
> FoT
>
> Tonight I was reminded of the reason you don't measure stuff in the cold. In
> a hurry
>
> to use my new measuring tools I shot straight out to the garage and started
> my post season
>
> measurements after the teardown. My pistons & liners look great so I was
> expecting everything to be
>
> well in spec with about 15 hours on them. I was horrified when I was coming
> up with a
>
> consistent .008 -.009 clearance. I measured the surface temp of the pistons
> at 59 -60 degrees.
>
> So I boiled some water and soaked the pistons for a few minutes. They came
> out at 92 degrees.
>
> The pistons grew .004" and puts them right in spec. That's a lot of growth
> at a 32 degree increase in temp.
>
> The liners measured out the first time within .001 of spec for the most part
> at 60 degrees.
>
> jim g
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Nov 14 19:51:31 2012
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:51:31 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Re J-type OD enhancements for racing
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b2CjZPLKS3gKiwLsLAmZ7=vhcZ=4ruZ77xJ5=Kq0VuL=g@mail.gmail.com>

it seems most of you are talking about A type stuff, none of this is
relevant to the posters query on J type

if anyone wants a really tuff A type, then look for the ones made by
Italians A.E. Bianci under licence to Laycock, for Ferrari (330 models etc
up to 1965 when the 5 speed came into use). These use the "conventional"
Laycock front case but have a much bigger rear case with huge planet gears
and pins, to better handle the torque of the big ferrari

for the J type. we use modified Dolomite Sprint & Volvo ones as they have a
fuller front case making it less likely to distort. I still have the
laycock drawing re mods to the pistons in the early versions of these
o/d's, but as these have not been around for years , it is probably
irrelevant.

best to start with a unit from early 80's Volvo 244 or go buy a brand new
one from Gear Vendors in USA

the changes needed to the J type for race use are:

   - open up the Z port drilling
   - shim up annulus gear to reduce clutch travel to its absolute minimum
   - check the lining & carrier is true and not wobbling (this causes
   erratic contact patches)
   - fit new nitrided planet gear pins & cryo treat the gears & needle
   bearings
   - very careful assembly of the hydraulic valve in the solenoid


we get about 3-4 years racing per rebuild. we have no noticeable slippage
on change and can make a change into overdrive faster that a change of
gears. by using a carefully selected ratio set, we can get a very useable
3rd overdrive which we race with all the time in our Historic 2.5PI

Terry O' Beirne
Australia


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Nov 14 22:36:54 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:36:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
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I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I 
was at ab

From igofaster at att.net  Thu Nov 15 18:17:37 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:17:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] new video
Message-ID: <1353028657.51428.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I posted a couple of videos on my YOUTUBE page.... Bobby Whitehead is my 
page..duh... not ALL Triumph although there are two glory sessions in my GT-6+ 
at TWS in February... so, no slagging me for a GTA post, I had to unload the 
Spitfire off my trailer to load the GTA... so, 2 Triumphs in the garage, one in 
the trailer...  so, still FOT FOREVER.. 

Bobby Whitehead


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Nov 15 18:22:08 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:22:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
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Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with no
problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat & true &
properly installed.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem turned
out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't have
giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it on
one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
liner then.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone.
i'm
>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 15 19:41:58 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:41:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
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Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to worry
about.




Joe Alexander

Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket


Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with no
problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat & true
&
properly installed.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem turned
out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't have
giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it on
one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
liner then.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are gone.
i'm
>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Nov 15 19:51:46 2012
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:51:46 -0000
Subject: No subject
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 06:58:09 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:58:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
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	<5C2F91B6-2AD6-4897-8D9E-456389BF3246@gmail.com>
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Ed,
I gotta say this was done right with few exceptions.  Crowd control didn't
seem to be an issue very often (although you didn't want to get caught on the
wrong side of the pedestrian bridge at lunchtime) and there were may places to
get a good view.  We ended up watching from turn 19 where we could also see
turn 20, turn 1, and the Jumbotron directly across from us.  Turn 11 was
probably better even thought you can't see as much of the track.  There were
many passing attempts there and the Jumbotron screen is close and easy to see.
The slope is steep there (for those with general admission tickets) so one's
view wasn't as likely to be blocked by somebody in a folding chair camping out
in front of you as was the case at turn 19.  We had a grandstand seat at 6,
which I chose after studying the track map -- problem was, although we could
see a lot of the track from there, not much action occurred there.  I bought
the seat just in case the weather turned out to be rainy.  I'm very familiar
with the type of soil where the track is, having owned property with the exact
same type -- it's called "black gumbo" for a reason.  It sticks to your shoes
and before you know it you have six pounds of clay attached to each foot.
Many of the general admission observation points had little or no grass
growing yet and were covered with this soil.  Most attendees will never know
how nasty it would have been to have to walk through that soil, which would
have been tracked everywhere.

At any rate, it was great fun to be there.  Not sure I'll do it again since
I'm not that big a fan of F1 but it was nevertheless a good time.  I imagine
the other CVAR attendees would feel the same.

Duncan


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Nov 19 09:40:59 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:40:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
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Ditto for me. Watched the race starting at T11 and walked back to our seats at
T2 . Saw a lot of action at 11 but passing wasn't all that common. It will be
great to race the TR's there. Thank you Bob Blake.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ed,
> I gotta say this was done right with few exceptions.  Crowd control didn't
> seem to be an issue very often (although you didn't want to get caught on
the
> wrong side of the pedestrian bridge at lunchtime) and there were may places
to
> get a good view.  We ended up watching from turn 19 where we could also see
> turn 20, turn 1, and the Jumbotron directly across from us.  Turn 11 was
> probably better even thought you can't see as much of the track.  There
were
> many passing attempts there and the Jumbotron screen is close and easy to
see.
> The slope is steep there (for those with general admission tickets) so
one's
> view wasn't as likely to be blocked by somebody in a folding chair camping
out
> in front of you as was the case at turn 19.  We had a grandstand seat at 6,
> which I chose after studying the track map -- problem was, although we
could
> see a lot of the track from there, not much action occurred there.  I
bought
> the seat just in case the weather turned out to be rainy.  I'm very
familiar
> with the type of soil where the track is, having owned property with the
exact
> same type -- it's called "black gumbo" for a reason.  It sticks to your
shoes
> and before you know it you have six pounds of clay attached to each foot.
> Many of the general admission observation points had little or no grass
> growing yet and were covered with this soil.  Most attendees will never
know
> how nasty it would have been to have to walk through that soil, which would
> have been tracked everywhere.
>
> At any rate, it was great fun to be there.  Not sure I'll do it again since
> I'm not that big a fan of F1 but it was nevertheless a good time.  I
imagine
> the other CVAR attendees would feel the same.
>
> Duncan
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Nov 19 10:51:14 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:51:14 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Dick Hughes -nice TR3 video
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When out at the last race at Willow Springs a couple weeks ago Peggy & I
looked this car over, up at the top of the hill, tried to find the owner when
I saw the FOT sign, but had no idea who to look for, anyway wonderful looking
car. Great video, nice treat for a retired guy. I'll have to think about that
when I get old. :-)

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:35:59 -0500
> From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Dick Hughes -nice TR3 video
>
> Here's a nice video I discovered which highlights TR3 Owner, Dick Hughes.
Dick has a 50-year racing history, a trained operatic voice, and is an
all-around great guy.
>
> Dick retired from vintage racing last year, check out this video.
>
> http://www.petrolicious.com/articles/triumph
>
> ~Steve
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Nov 19 10:55:58 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:55:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
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Message-ID: <3CF41C9750C14B539BCDB7869D02F604@Vista>

Duncan,
According to the Speed Channel's program covering the building of the
circuit, several tons of that soil were removed from the track area so that
it could be replaced by a more stable substance in order to keep the track
from sinking.  I can still remember walking through that stuff as a younger
version of myself.  The further you walk, the taller you become.

Cheers,
Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Duncan Charlton
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 6:58 AM
To: EDWARD BARNARD
Cc: FOT of Triumph'
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re: Frequencies for the weekend??

Ed,
I gotta say this was done right with few exceptions.  Crowd control didn't
seem to be an issue very often (although you didn't want to get caught on
the
wrong side of the pedestrian bridge at lunchtime) and there were may places
to
get a good view.  We ended up watching from turn 19 where we could also see
turn 20, turn 1, and the Jumbotron directly across from us.  Turn 11 was
probably better even thought you can't see as much of the track.  There were
many passing attempts there and the Jumbotron screen is close and easy to
see.
The slope is steep there (for those with general admission tickets) so one's
view wasn't as likely to be blocked by somebody in a folding chair camping
out
in front of you as was the case at turn 19.  We had a grandstand seat at 6,
which I chose after studying the track map -- problem was, although we could
see a lot of the track from there, not much action occurred there.  I bought
the seat just in case the weather turned out to be rainy.  I'm very familiar
with the type of soil where the track is, having owned property with the
exact
same type -- it's called "black gumbo" for a reason.  It sticks to your
shoes
and before you know it you have six pounds of clay attached to each foot.
Many of the general admission observation points had little or no grass
growing yet and were covered with this soil.  Most attendees will never know
how nasty it would have been to have to walk through that soil, which would
have been tracked everywhere.

At any rate, it was great fun to be there.  Not sure I'll do it again since
I'm not that big a fan of F1 but it was nevertheless a good time.  I imagine
the other CVAR attendees would feel the same.

Duncan
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 11:34:31 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:34:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] F1, was Re:  Frequencies for the weekend??
In-Reply-To: <3CF41C9750C14B539BCDB7869D02F604@Vista>
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Joe,

I also had heard that.  Same story when they talked about moving the city
airport to Manor several decades ago.  I tried to imagine how much excavation
it would take to build the Roman road version of a runway out there on the
Blackland Prairie.  At the time I'd been flying an ultralight miniMAX out of
Bird's Nest airport, about a mile from the proposed municipal airport site,
where there was only about 300 feet of decent runway (out of 3200 feet), right
in the middle.

If you walked in black gumbo, maybe you also had to shovel it.  Very hard when
dry, but it would stick to your shovel when wet enough to dig.  You used your
boot to push it off the shovel, and then...

Duncan


On Nov 19, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Joe Curry wrote:

> Duncan,
> According to the Speed Channel's program covering the building of the
> circuit, several tons of that soil were removed from the track area so that
> it could be replaced by a more stable substance in order to keep the track
> from sinking.  I can still remember walking through that stuff as a younger
> version of myself.  The further you walk, the taller you become.
>
> Cheers,
> Joe C.


From mmoore at wave1.net  Mon Nov 19 13:31:07 2012
From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:31:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
Message-ID: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>

Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
the job without breaking the bank?

 

Thanks

Mike

62 TR4

 

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

 

Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103

Fax:        814-864-7383


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 19 14:20:44 2012
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:20:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] US GP
Message-ID: <E97E4A27-4D4A-4D4A-9638-7B91A944C648@btinternet.com>

Guys,

What a circuit, looks truly magnificent and a real advertisement for F1in the
USA; gave us the best race of the season in my opinion.

Keith


From SpiwakD at aol.com  Fri Nov 16 12:43:23 2012
From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:43:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: school bus racing
Message-ID: <49ec9.629fd3c8.3dd7f15b@aol.com>

____________________________________
 From: frankskepton at yahoo.com
To: SpiwakD at aol.com
Sent: 11/16/2012  1:00:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: school bus racing



new to me but looks interesting... it must happen right after the  
demolition derby!  
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7fQz4xzW4_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7fQz4xzW4)    


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 15:32:16 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:32:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
In-Reply-To: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
References: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
Message-ID: <B09E1877-6BDA-4F2C-BA97-C8956A2205B0@gmail.com>

Mike,
I assume you don't mean an infrared hand-held one for checking exhaust
manifolds, tire temps etc., but instead an exhaust gas temperature gauge to
mount on the dash.  Try Wicks Aircraft or Aircraft Spruce and Specialty if you
want a dual or quad EGT to check more than one location -- here's a Westach
quad for $235 but you'll have to pay more for the senders:
http://tinyurl.com/ccvxyj2.  These are used in many homebuilt aircraft and are
not too expensive.  Another source is 42Draft designs.com (42 Draft Designs,
1554 Millersville Rd, Millersville, MD 21108 Phone: 410-923-0411) -- they have
a Vision series VDO EGT gauge for $130.  I bought something similar a few
years ago because they had a style that was a close match to the other gauges
in my Vixen 21td motorhome.

Duncan
(Texas)


On Nov 19, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Mike Moore wrote:

> Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
> the job without breaking the bank?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> 62 TR4
>
>
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
>
>
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From igofaster at att.net  Mon Nov 19 15:49:41 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:49:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire for Sale
Message-ID: <1353365381.12399.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Car for Sale, delete if not interested....

1965 Spitfire full race car for sale. It's a project. Complete. 1500 engine in 
car right now (close to running) a new rebuild on a 1300 small journal 030 over, 
balanced... bunch of new stuff and all the extras I can throw in,,, before I 
list it anywhere else, it's offered here... NEEDS COMPLETED, NOT Running at this 
moment... contact me off list if interested... $6000.00
Bobby Whitehead   igofaster at att.net


From triumphs at consolidated.net  Mon Nov 19 16:25:28 2012
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:25:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
In-Reply-To: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
References: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
Message-ID: <961C12D4-0137-471F-8652-EED50D659E24@consolidated.net>

Try

http://www.egauges.com/eg_typeI.asp?Type=Pyrometer&Face=All&Bezel=All&Lightin
g=All&Letter=All&Needle=All&Diameter=All&Manf=All

Kg

Sent from my iPad

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> Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
> the job without breaking the bank?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> 62 TR4
>
>
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 2007 West 32nd Street
>
> Erie, PA 16508
>
>
>
> Phone: 814-868-4831  ext 103
>
> Fax:        814-864-7383
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Nov 19 18:55:53 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:55:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer
In-Reply-To: <008201cdc694$cea56e20$6bf04a60$@net>
Message-ID: <mailman.199.1638252574.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

I use one of the Longacres, here's a link to one for $ 100.

Jim g. 

http://compare.ebay.com/like/290092036788?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes
&var=sbar

 

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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:31 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Pyrometer

Looking to purchase one, any recommendations or ideas on type that will do
the job without breaking the bank?

 

Thanks

Mike

62 TR4

 

Michael T. Moore, CPA

2007 West 32nd Street

Erie, PA 16508

 

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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 19 20:49:19 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:49:19 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
Message-ID: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Friends,

Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the history of my racing TR3.
Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it entertaining!


http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/

~STEVE


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 20 04:34:09 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:34:09 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
In-Reply-To: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000901cdc712$f75c9130$e615b390$@com>

Amazing video....best ever saw!!!!!

Thanks for sharing it!

Chris

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Auftrag von steve
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. November 2012 04:49
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3

Friends,

Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the
history of my racing TR3.
Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it
entertaining!


http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/

~STEVE
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 20 04:38:54 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:38:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
In-Reply-To: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Are in TV business?
Your videos (Willlow Springs) are so professional made.

Chris

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Auftrag von steve
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. November 2012 04:49
An: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3

Friends,

Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the
history of my racing TR3.
Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it
entertaining!


http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/

~STEVE
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 20 08:28:50 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:28:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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	mail.com>
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1/16" toe in is a good place to start.

Tony Drews

At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb ]
>front springs.
>Thanks
>--
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov 20 08:35:19 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Message-ID: <BCA9B700-CD80-4093-98F9-85C22073FD10@me.com>

looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.  
Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are warm?  25lb?


From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 11:00:56 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:00:56 -0800
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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	<50aba1b5.a500450a.183b.ffffe360SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
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Thanks Tony.

Is that each side is in a 1/16, or each a 32nd?  Will use the "strings"
method so I know what each side is doing.  Also, car now pulls to te left.
Steeing wheel is removable so can be set to any position to center.  Should
I hold the wheel straight as I come to a stop and then set each side from
that point, or should I move the wheel so that the left side is at 1/16th
in, then adjust the right, then reposition the wheel?

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> 1/16" toe in is a good place to start.
>
> Tony Drews
>
> At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
>> What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb ]
>> front springs.
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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>
>


-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 20 11:55:38 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:55:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 20 12:06:42 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:06:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
In-Reply-To: <20121120190215.DECBF4396E@autox.team.net>
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What I said was:
1/16" total, or 1/32" on each side.  Up to 1/8" total Toe In would be 
acceptable.

You should center the rack first if possible, but I just point it 
straight ahead as I come to a stop.

Pulling to one side indicates something else not being the same from 
side to side.  I've got to chase a bit of that myself as I am pulling 
to the left under braking after my front suspension swap.  I'll try 
to do a much more detailed setting of camber and caster prior to 
re-doing the toe settings.

Tony

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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Nov 20 13:56:27 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:56:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Photo History of my TR3
In-Reply-To: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5183060.1353383360080.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Steve,
Your photo history hits real close to home. Your family was on the Midwest
scene about a decade before mine. Those photos you spotlight from Blackhawk
and Road America etc. are visual images that play in my mind quite often.
Those were great times for me growing up at those same tracks (about 10
years later). Very nice little history sequence there...Thanks.
The neat details you provided will help me keep your family's Legendary
Triumph history alive back "home" here within Midwestern Council and VSCDA.
For the record, that car is still talked about here for its stout record of
solid performance... requiring little more at track effort than simply
being toweled down between sessions.
I remember it mostly from it's orange era, I had a similar colored "corgi
junior Morgan" that I used to pretend was your dad's TR3. At the track back
then, most of my time was spent reenacting the races in the dirt with my
toy cars.
Thanks for pointing toward your website....and to officially state the
obvious; that car... it's complete story... a real treasure!
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM, steve <colordog.1 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Friends,
>
> Here's a link to my new website which showcases, among other things, the
> history of my racing TR3.
> Please check out my new video, TR3 Switcharoo.  I'm sure you'll find it
> entertaining!
>
>
> http://stevebelfer.squarespace.com/vintage-tr3-racing/
>
> ~STEVE
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 21 04:09:09 2012
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:09:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] MGB parts needed for racecar
Message-ID: <1353496149.62232.YahooMailNeo@web140804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Fellow FOT'ers..Looking for a set of MGB (any vintage) twin SU's, intake manifold & exhaust manifold or header. 

This is for (drum roll) an Austin Marina 24 Hours of LeMons car that some friends of mine are putting together 

(I donated the car to the project).

Now that you are done laughing...anyone got anything?

Proximity to NC is a plus, but shipping won't be TOO bad...I hope.


Please respond directly to me to save list bandwidth...thanks.

Jamie Palmer

tr6driver at yahoo.com


From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 21 09:40:44 2012
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:40:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] MGB Parts found...
Message-ID: <1353516044.71983.YahooMailNeo@web140803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Thanks to a friendly FOT'er, looks like the MGB parts have been located :-) 
(Thanks, Ed!)
 
Love you folks...  :-)
 
Jamie


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Nov 21 11:12:12 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:12:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR6 slave cylinder question
Message-ID: <895749813.393745.1353521532702.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello Friends, 
I need to get a slave cylinder for my TR3 which now has the TR4A-TR6 trans, pressure plate and throwout brg. The master cylinder is a Wilwood 3/4" bore. 
I noticed that Moss lists a different part number for the TR4A and TR6. Can anyone share some info on this and the correct cylinder needed. 
Thanks, 
Dave 


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Nov 21 14:47:34 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:47:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1353534454.46886.YahooMailNeo@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

http://michaelbulgergolf.com/wp-content/themes/theme1439/likeit.php?distant291.img


From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Tue Nov 20 04:59:23 2012
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 06:59:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: school bus racing
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Yet another group to be formed in $VRA!

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new to me but looks interesting... it must happen right after the demolition
derby!  
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7fQz4xzW4_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7fQz4xzW4)    
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Wed Nov 21 15:47:10 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:47:10 GMT
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Message-ID: <20121121.174710.29950.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500

looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are warm?
25lb?
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Wed Nov 21 15:52:20 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:52:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re:  front toe setting for racing TR6
Message-ID: <18a17.14b2ae61.3ddeb524@aol.com>

This reminds me of my time before correcting the bump and rebound changes  
in my TR's system; part of the process is to exactly center the rack  First. 
 The TR had 1.2" toe in on full bump, 1.7" toe Out on  rebound; trying to 
set to 1\32" was some what futile.  Yes, we are talking  inches here!
 
TR Regards,
 
Hardy

 

Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:06:42 -0600
From: Tony Drews  <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley"  <triosan at gmail.com>, Friends
<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] front toe setting for racing  TR6
Message-ID:  <mailman.10.1353524402.27956.fot at autox.team.net>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

What I said was:
1/16"  total, or 1/32" on each side.  Up to 1/8" total Toe In would be  
acceptable.

You should center the rack first if possible, but I just  point it 
straight ahead as I come to a stop.

Pulling to one side  indicates something else not being the same from 
side to side.  I've  got to chase a bit of that myself as I am pulling 
to the left under braking  after my front suspension swap.  I'll try 
to do a much more detailed  setting of camber and caster prior to 
re-doing the toe  settings.

Tony


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Nov 21 16:29:48 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:29:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
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Where is it legal to run slicks?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:

> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>
> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
warm?
> 25lb?
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 21 22:13:41 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:13:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
In-Reply-To: <32EF0648-9A26-42D9-85B3-2ED0E7D14C0C@gdhs.com>
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	<32EF0648-9A26-42D9-85B3-2ED0E7D14C0C@gdhs.com>
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I run 19 on my  2200 lbs TR6.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:29 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
>> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
>> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>>
>> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
>> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
> warm?
>> 25lb?
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Thu Nov 22 03:49:51 2012
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:49:51 +1100
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
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	<20121120152818.3F7DD438F6@autox.team.net>
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I run 2mm toe out to give better turn in
Geoff Byrne 
TR6 Racer down under

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 2:29 AM
To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley; Friends
Subject: Re: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6

1/16" toe in is a good place to start.

Tony Drews

At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb 
>] front springs.
>Thanks
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Thu Nov 22 05:49:29 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 07:49:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl
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Amici

I will be at the bowl Saturday with some badges and flags if anyone wants one
or a few. I hope to see flags and badges on the cars.

Half of all sales gets donated to the FOT fund.

See you there


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Nov 22 06:23:29 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
In-Reply-To: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>
Message-ID: <2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>

It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the Miatas.  Recommended, even.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
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-----Original message-----
From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?

Where is it legal to run slicks?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:

> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>
> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
warm?
> 25lb?
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 22 06:56:35 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:56:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
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	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
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Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little love
taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 22 07:09:22 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 06:09:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNCvM+wgiiiuHPZmTdgxM0qsnSf_7HLZDvnk760W1CvqUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc4sNDH29Hja5D+YFJAXX94r+ie8VsF7h0H9PM9P4vW3P6pMA@mail.gmail.com>
	<50aba1b5.a500450a.183b.ffffe360SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
	<CAMc4sNCvM+wgiiiuHPZmTdgxM0qsnSf_7HLZDvnk760W1CvqUA@mail.gmail.com>
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Depends on a lot of things, width of front track,width of tire wheel combo,
offset of wheel. With slicks I run1/16th total toe-in with the narrower tire
wheel combo that I ran at the Mitty, I found that 0 toe handled better. 

Mike
________________________________
 From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
<triosan at gmail.com>
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>; Friends
<fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:00 PM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] front toe setting for racing TR6
 
Thanks Tony.

Is that each side is in
a 1/16, or each a 32nd?  Will use the "strings"
method so I know what each
side is doing.  Also, car now pulls to te left.
Steeing wheel is removable so
can be set to any position to center.  Should
I hold the wheel straight as I
come to a stop and then set each side from
that point, or should I move the
wheel so that the left side is at 1/16th
in, then adjust the right, then
reposition the wheel?

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Tony Drews
<tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> 1/16" toe in is a good place to start.
>
> Tony
Drews
>
> At 11:22 PM 11/17/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
>> What is the recommended front toe setting.  I am running stiff [600 lb ]
>>
front springs.
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 22 07:20:50 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:20:50 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
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References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
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I didn't know that the NASA maintains car racing.
"Huston, this is 'finish line', we've got a problem"
:-)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von marty sukey
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. November 2012 14:57
Cc: FOT
Betreff: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little
love taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I
would want to be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they
> > are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
> > _______________________________________________
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 08:37:54 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:37:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies, Thanks
Message-ID: <874870896.418343.1353598674533.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thanks to everyone for the replies to my slave cylinder question. I now know what I need to know and then some. 
I really appreciate the info, 
Dave 


From igofaster at att.net  Thu Nov 22 08:59:36 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 07:59:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I too saw the Playboy Cup at Road Atlanta with the Miatas running at speed in 
competition... it was like mini-Nascar....  bumping and rubbing all over the 
place...sounded like a hornets nest all stirred up....   Bobby Whitehead







________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 22, 2012 8:00:51 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little love
taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 22 09:11:32 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:11:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR if you missed the original offer and more.
Message-ID: <8CF96E32B9B7FA8-1AE0-A1F9@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com>

100 California Air DVDs have been distributed in North America.

200 California Air  DVDs have been distributed elsewhere, by John Clancy.

I am getting ready to import more .

www.triumphdvd.co.uk   has trailers and more selections.

I will special order those other selections if you wish to add your favorite
model of Triumph to your archives. hurry on those, if you will.

John Clancy has done Triumph proud.

Let me know if you want me to reserve a California Air for you.  THANKS!



Joe Alexander
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319.464.4711  (cell)
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 22 09:16:30 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:16:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
	<1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CF96E3DD5DE612-1AE0-A23C@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com>

At ROAD AMERICA the two MIATA PLAYBOY CUP leaders wrecked just yards in front
of the Checkered Flag.  Both were spinning when they crossed the line.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 10:04 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas


I too saw the Playboy Cup at Road Atlanta with the Miatas running at speed in
competition... it was like mini-Nascar....  bumping and rubbing all over the
place...sounded like a hornets nest all stirred up....   Bobby Whitehead







________________________________
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, November 22, 2012 8:00:51 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year (watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little
love
taps and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended, even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
> www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50 degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 09:17:31 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:17:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re:  front toe setting for racing TR6
In-Reply-To: <18a17.14b2ae61.3ddeb524@aol.com>
References: <18a17.14b2ae61.3ddeb524@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C8C6B2EE-11F4-4C28-A43B-59382A0FEA05@comcast.net>

I found that by eliminating the front spring spacers combined with lowered
comp springs the steering rack centers itself.
Jim g

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Catpusher at aol.com wrote:

> This reminds me of my time before correcting the bump and rebound changes
> in my TR's system; part of the process is to exactly center the rack  First.
> The TR had 1.2" toe in on full bump, 1.7" toe Out on  rebound; trying to
> set to 1\32" was some what futile.  Yes, we are talking  inches here!
>
> TR Regards,
>
> Hardy
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:06:42 -0600
> From: Tony Drews  <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley"  <triosan at gmail.com>, Friends
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] front toe setting for racing  TR6
> Message-ID:  <mailman.10.1353524402.27956.fot at autox.team.net>
> Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> What I said was:
> 1/16"  total, or 1/32" on each side.  Up to 1/8" total Toe In would be
> acceptable.
>
> You should center the rack first if possible, but I just  point it
> straight ahead as I come to a stop.
>
> Pulling to one side  indicates something else not being the same from
> side to side.  I've  got to chase a bit of that myself as I am pulling
> to the left under braking  after my front suspension swap.  I'll try
> to do a much more detailed  setting of camber and caster prior to
> re-doing the toe  settings.
>
> Tony
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Nov 22 09:52:19 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:52:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Transmission Lube
Message-ID: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>

I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to know what the
consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in a TR6 and
regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Nov 22 10:44:31 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:44:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <bf1bbb22-5a79-4dbd-a165-266cb3a357d5@blur>
References: <bf1bbb22-5a79-4dbd-a165-266cb3a357d5@blur>
Message-ID: <cd9233e7-f863-4f2a-8ffb-b53decf545fa@blur>

I have been using MTL in my 4-speed GT6 trans in the Spitfire for a bunch of years.   So far so good.  For their J-type overdrive, John Esposito recommends straight 30-weight non-detergent oil (try your local ag store, such as Fleet Farm, etc.).  Don't know if that would be different for the A-type.

Scott B.


Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
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-----Original message-----
From: Sam <trdoctor at aol.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>, "6-pack at autox.team.net" <6-pack at autox.team.net>, "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 16:51:35 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Fot] Transmission Lube

I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to know what the
consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in a TR6 and
regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 11:52:28 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:52:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies
In-Reply-To: <484815655.419306.1353601547158.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1946906174.422264.1353610348792.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FoT, I guess that I should share what I've learned about TR slave cylinders. 
It seams that either TR4A or TR6 slave cylinder will work. Attention needs to be paid to the push rod length, an adjustable rod is available and I've been informed that the TR6 slave has an internal return spring compared to the external spring on the earlier units. Later TR3s through TR4A use the same slave. 
Thanks again, 
Dave 


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Nov 22 12:41:48 2012
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (K LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:41:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Happy Day with friends & family !
Message-ID: <BLU151-ds20F466741080A72808A6E7B75B0@phx.gbl>

To all of you from Subprime Vintage Racing,
Happy Thanksgiving !

Kev Lynch
#6


From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Nov 22 14:36:46 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:36:46 -0800
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
In-Reply-To: <49D64C3F-D486-487B-8EF7-A965AA1271E5@yahoo.com>
References: <20121121.174710.29950.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>,
	<32EF0648-9A26-42D9-85B3-2ED0E7D14C0C@gdhs.com>,
	<49D64C3F-D486-487B-8EF7-A965AA1271E5@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT141-W412097FECB78B3BCB59269B25B0@phx.gbl>

Do you NOT set pressures/camber using tire temps ? The infra red heat guns are
worthless to check tires temps. as they only check surface temps.  Use a probe
type pyrometer . check the tire in 3 places across the tread
(inner-centre-outer) Hot in the centre will tell you too much pressure etcetc.
Every track/driver is different.   Hope this piece of info will help someone
:) Tony Garmey
 > From: fasttrs at yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:13:41 -0500
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> I run 19 on my  2200 lbs TR6.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:29 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>
> > Where is it legal to run slicks?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
> >>
> >> ---------- Original Message ----------
> >> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> >> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> >> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >>
> >> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> >> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
> > warm?
> >> 25lb?
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> fot at autox.team.net
> >>
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From rikrock at live.com  Thu Nov 22 17:06:02 2012
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:06:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl
Message-ID: <BAY403-EAS189CCABB0F2B588144F750FC65A0@phx.gbl>

Scott Janzen will be there with his TR4 and I'll be there with my TR6-powered
TVR.

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Christopher Bock
Sent: 11/22/2012 7:59 AM
To: FoTTriumph
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl

Amici

I will be at the bowl Saturday with some badges and flags if anyone wants one
or a few. I hope to see flags and badges on the cars.

Half of all sales gets donated to the FOT fund.

See you there
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 22 17:07:18 2012
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:07:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
In-Reply-To: <1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <e8bf2d03-9fcc-4034-9714-5584d8cbb48c@blur>,
	<2b478a37-2fa8-4498-86ca-185b4854b206@blur>
	<BLU168-W87B0677A9648CF060F165EBA5B0@phx.gbl>
	<1353599976.56587.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1353629238.12814.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Ran the Club Rabbit in group 2 ICSCC for 6 years with about 30 Miata's in the
group.  It took a while  to get used to.  Left tire marks on more than on
Miata and pleanty of dents and marks the the CR.  My race start theory in
Portland is to not lose and spots at the start and avoid the wreck in the
Chicane which usually took 8 cars out at the start. You were ahead 8 spots
pretty quickly that way.  It was strange to start vintage racing where most of
the drivers are pretty respectful.  I would say that running the TR4 in
SOVREN  feels more like a giant team with everyone helping each other.  
 
Mike Mehl
 

________________________________
 From: Bobby Whitehead
<igofaster at att.net>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> 
Cc: FoT Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:59 AM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas
  
I too saw the Playboy Cup at Road Atlanta with
the Miatas running at speed in 
competition... it was like mini-Nascar.... 
bumping and rubbing all over the 
place...sounded like a hornets nest all
stirred up....   Bobby Whitehead







________________________________
From:
marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu,
November 22, 2012 8:00:51 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Slicks now Miatas

Kind of
hijacking the thread here, I went to a NASA event at Mid-Ohio this
year
(watching) and there was a class for miatas. It was the NASA Runoffs.
Those
guys were nuts. I watched them from the garages on the front straight,
going
at full tilt leading to the braking area of turn one, just flat out
running
into the back bumper of the car in front of them. Not just little love
taps
and not just once or twice. Entertaining to watch but not sure I would
want to
be out there with them.

Marty
----------------------------------------
>
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; jaboruch at netzero.net
>
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:29 +0000
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re:
[Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> It's legal in
Midwestern Council's F-Production, competing against the
Miatas. Recommended,
even.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233<tel:9202572233>
>
www.mccarty-law.com<http://www.mccarty-law.com/>
>
>
> -----Original
message-----
> From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
> To: Joe Boruch
<jaboruch at netzero.net>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent:
Thu, Nov 22, 2012 00:01:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for
Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Where is it legal to run slicks?
>
> Sent from
my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch"
<jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my
TR3. Joe(B)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Scott
Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
<fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle
slicks, TR4?
> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> >
> > looking for a
starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > Weather will be cool - 50
degrees. What should these run when they are
> warm?
> > 25lb?
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Nov 22 17:35:57 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 00:35:57 +0000
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-W412097FECB78B3BCB59269B25B0@phx.gbl>
References: <20121121.174710.29950.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>, ,
	<32EF0648-9A26-42D9-85B3-2ED0E7D14C0C@gdhs.com>, ,
	<49D64C3F-D486-487B-8EF7-A965AA1271E5@yahoo.com>,
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Message-ID: <SNT120-W195D9B0C74E720EE5295FEDF5A0@phx.gbl>

To add to Tony's words, do not be bound by the tire companies words.  The tire
is a spring and it depends on YOUR car and springing and suspension how it
works.  EXPIRMENT.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > From: horizonracing at msn.com
> To: fasttrs at yahoo.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:36:46 -0800
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
>
> Do you NOT set pressures/camber using tire temps ? The infra red heat guns
are
> worthless to check tires temps. as they only check surface temps.  Use a
probe
> type pyrometer . check the tire in 3 places across the tread
> (inner-centre-outer) Hot in the centre will tell you too much pressure
etcetc.
> Every track/driver is different.   Hope this piece of info will help
someone
> :) Tony Garmey
>  > From: fasttrs at yahoo.com
> > Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:13:41 -0500
> > To: jhhasty at gdhs.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> >
> > I run 19 on my  2200 lbs TR6.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:29 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Where is it legal to run slicks?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
> > >>
> > >> ---------- Original Message ----------
> > >> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> > >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > >> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> > >> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
> > >>
> > >> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> > >> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they
are
> > > warm?
> > >> 25lb?
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 19:03:43 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:03:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>

I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for  
15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of  
recommendations from this great list.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:

> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to  
> know what the
> consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in  
> a TR6 and
> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri Nov 23 07:12:16 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:12:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph DVD's by John Clancy
Message-ID: <50AF8440.4010801@bright.net>

List, we have these videos in stock.  They are on the home page of our 
website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com.  We have had these for over a 
year.  We featured them at the recent Mitty and John and his wife were 
available at our booth to talk about the videos, sign them, etc. As a 
special from now until Jan 1, videos, regularly $25 + shipping are $20 
including shipping.  Yes,  California Air is on the list. Or, any parts 
order over $100, new - used - stock - performance - rebuilt parts, 
receives a DVD of your choice for $5. Thanks foryour time. Hope everyone 
has a great holiday week-end. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Fri Nov 23 14:24:42 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Turkey bowl
Message-ID: <7AAFBBB6-D5DF-40B8-A068-0E7925B3497F@aol.com>

Due to unforeseen circumstances I will not be able to attend the races.  

Sorry
Chris


From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 24 08:59:06 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>

I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7 of 8
tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and checking
geometry.

I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket was
burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground back as
well.

Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
feathering back the sleeves as well.

Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
worry
> about.
>
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>
>
> Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with
no
> problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
true
> &
> properly installed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>
>> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
> about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
turned
> out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
have
> giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
> the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
on
> one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> liner then.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
gone.
> i'm
>>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Nov 24 10:54:16 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:54:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
	<7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.203.1638252574.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

You can't really "grind back" the composite gasket and still have it 
seal.  You need to gingerly uncrimp the sandwich around the valve 
pocket, then cut back the inner asbestos-like material, then gingerly 
recrimp the two copper sides back together.  It's easy to tear the 
copper in the process.

Tony

At 09:59 AM 11/24/2012, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I 
>broke 7 of 8 tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am 
>fixing that and checking geometry.
>
>I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 
>gasket was burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves 
>are not ground back as well.
>
>Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be 
>feathering back the sleeves as well.
>
>Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
>
>Thx
>
>Ty
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>(Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
>On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less 
> thing to worry
> > about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> >
> >
> > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger 
> valve with no
> > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are 
> flat & true
> > &
> > properly installed.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
> > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket 
> problem turned
> > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I 
> don't have
> > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
> > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something 
> supporting it on
> > one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> > liner then.
> >>
> >> Tony Drews
> >>
> >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
> >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve 
> pockets are gone.
> > i'm
> >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
> >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> fot at autox.team.net
> >>>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat Nov 24 12:58:03 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:58:03 +0000
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>,
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>,
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>,
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>,
	<7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W21B5509575B14C4390A17FDF590@phx.gbl>

If you try to cut back a composite gasket you have a good chance of having the
thin copper face parts facing into  the flame of combustion which is going
heat the copper red hot quickly, this will start pre-ignition and then
detonation. Result, dead engine. In a few words. DON'T DO IT.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>
> I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7 of
8
> tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and
checking
> geometry.
>
> I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket
was
> burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground back
as
> well.
>
> Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
> feathering back the sleeves as well.
>
> Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
>
> Thx
>
> Ty
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
> worry
> > about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> >
> >
> > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve
with
> no
> > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
> true
> > &
> > properly installed.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was
at
> > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
> turned
> > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
> have
> > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to
match
> > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
> on
> > one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> > liner then.
> >>
> >> Tony Drews
> >>
> >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
> >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
> gone.
> > i'm
> >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
> >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> fot at autox.team.net
> >>>
> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Nov 25 10:21:50 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:21:50 GMT
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Message-ID: <20121125.122150.8330.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

Valve spring height will depend on what valves, retainers, springs and seat
pressure you are using.  I am using BFE valves, springs and titanium retainers
and use a 1.6 inch spring height.  I have to use spring seats and shims to
achieve that.  I have redline set at 7300 rpm and want to be sure that I don't
float the valves, so my seat pressure is higher than what some may run.
Sorry, but I don't have my notes handy to tell you what the spring pressures
are.  210 pounds at 0.5 inch lift seams to ring a bell.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700

I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7 of
8
tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and checking
geometry.

I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket was
burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground back
as
well.

Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
feathering back the sleeves as well.

Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
worry
> about.
>
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>
>
> Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve with
no
> problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
true
> &
> properly installed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>
>> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was at
> about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
turned
> out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
have
> giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to match
> the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
on
> one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against the
> liner then.
>>
>> Tony Drews
>>
>> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
gone.
> i'm
>>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sun Nov 25 10:30:25 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:30:25 GMT
Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Message-ID: <20121125.123025.8330.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

I run slicks with SCCA.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch at netzero.net>
Cc: "sjanzen at me.com" <sjanzen at me.com>,        "fot at autox.team.net"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:29:48 -0500

Where is it legal to run slicks?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:47 PM, "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net> wrote:

> I have trying for about 28 psi hot with my TR3.  Joe(B)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] tire pressures for Goodyear Eagle slicks, TR4?
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:35:19 -0500
>
> looking for a starting point - 23x9x15 slicks on 7" wheels.
> Weather will be cool - 50 degrees.  What should these run when they are
warm?
> 25lb?
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Nov 22 12:23:34 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:23:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies
In-Reply-To: <1946906174.422264.1353610348792.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1353612214.46342.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I could be mistaken but I believe there is also a difference in the overall length of the cylinder, which requires it to be mounted on the opposite side of the mounting bracket.
JMTC
-Ed-

--- On Thu, 11/22/12, davehogye <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:


From: davehogye <dlhogye at comcast.net>
Subject: [Fot] slave cylinder replies
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 12:52 PM


FoT, I guess that I should share what I've learned about TR slave cylinders. 
It seams that either TR4A or TR6 slave cylinder will work. Attention needs to be paid to the push rod length, an adjustable rod is available and I've been informed that the TR6 slave has an internal return spring compared to the external spring on the earlier units. Later TR3s through TR4A use the same slave. 
Thanks again, 
Dave 
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 20:59:06 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:59:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W21B5509575B14C4390A17FDF590@phx.gbl>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
	<8CF91BB155C2C79-C64-16E65@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>
	<7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
	<SNT120-W21B5509575B14C4390A17FDF590@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A87E66AE-B5AD-4E35-B15F-B39ACDFFF15A@yahoo.com>

Thanks Kas! I need all the advice I can get.

Happy Holidays

Ty

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'62 Triumph TR4 RestoMod (Project)
++++


On Nov 24, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> If you try to cut back a composite gasket you have a good chance of having
the thin copper face parts facing into  the flame of combustion which is going
heat the copper red hot quickly, this will start pre-ignition and then
detonation. Result, dead engine. In a few words. DON'T DO IT.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
> > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
> > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0700
> > To: n197tr4 at cs.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> >
> > I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7
of 8
> > tops of the outer valve springs and one inner. I am fixing that and
checking
> > geometry.
> >
> > I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket
was
> > burnt where the gasket was not ground back. My sleeves are not ground back
as
> > well.
> >
> > Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
> > feathering back the sleeves as well.
> >
> > Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Ty
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > (Please excuse any errors or typos)
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing
to
> > worry
> > > about.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe Alexander
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
> > >
> > >
> > > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve
with
> > no
> > > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
> > true
> > > &
> > > properly installed.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it. I was
at
> > > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
> > turned
> > > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem. I don't
> > have
> > > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to
match
> > > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting
it
> > on
> > > one side in the pocket that disappeared. I put the seam side against
the
> > > liner then.
> > >>
> > >> Tony Drews
> > >>
> > >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
> > >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a
milled
> > >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
> > gone.
> > > i'm
> > >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
> > >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> fot at autox.team.net
> > >>>
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 21:06:17 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:06:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
In-Reply-To: <7134A59A-E6E5-474B-8CCF-836FA05A89A4@yahoo.com>
References: <11209.5b862d85.3dcff460@aol.com>
	<20121116001854.DD7102D0940@autox.team.net>
	<442C34F9-400C-4840-AF40-3145B767EF30@gdhs.com>
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Message-ID: <0954DF4D-1FB5-4FC0-9266-077152091D49@yahoo.com>

The car came with a new steel gasket. I will take some measurements to see how
thick it is.

Thanks Tony

Ty

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'62 Triumph TR4 RestoMod (Project)
++++


On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> You can't really "grind back" the composite gasket and still have it seal.
You need to gingerly uncrimp the sandwich around the valve pocket, then cut
back the inner asbestos-like material, then gingerly recrimp the two copper
sides back together.  It's easy to tear the copper in the process.
>
> Tony
>
> At 09:59 AM 11/24/2012, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
>> I pulled the head off of mine a few mons back. If folks recall, I broke 7
of 8 tops of the outer valve springs and one inner.  I am fixing that and
checking geometry.
>>
>> I do have oversized valves and 89 bore, and I found my Payen A330 gasket
was burnt where the gasket was not ground back.  My sleeves are not ground
back as well.
>>
>> Can you grind back the copper Payen gasket with no issues? I will be
feathering back the sleeves as well.
>>
>> Also, does anyone know the correct valve spring height?
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> Ty
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Ditto...Using Payen for several years now and has been one less thing to
worry
>> > about.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Joe Alexander
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Fot] trt 3/4 head gasket
>> >
>> >
>> > Like Tony we use a stock Payen gasket notched to fit the larger valve
with no
>> > problem. My take is that one must make sure the head & block are flat &
true
>> > &
>> > properly installed.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I use a stock composite gasket and will get a season out of it.  I was
at
>> > about 0.175 milled, am now at 0.130 after my last head gasket problem
turned
>> > out to be a collapsing combustion chamber in the head problem.  I don't
have
>> > giant valves (they clear the 87 mm liners), so I notched the liner to
match
>> > the "mickey ear" of the stock gasket so there was something supporting it
on
>> > one side in the pocket that disappeared.  I put the seam side against
the
>> > liner then.
>> >>
>> >> Tony Drews
>> >>
>> >> At 12:18 PM 11/10/2012, KENMUN at aol.com wrote:
>> >>> anyone having success with the stock composite head gasket on a milled
>> >>> head. my head has been milled .150" and the intake valve pockets are
gone.
>> > i'm
>> >>> not having much luck with the steel gasket.
>> >>> thanks, ken m. tr 3 vintage racer.
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> fot at autox.team.net
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> >>>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Nov 26 08:56:47 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:56:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
Message-ID: <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0@phx.gbl>

James Anthony Coan passed away Sunday in Los Angeles. Jimmy had been quit ill
for several years. Jim was my right hand man for years and years, then upon my
retirement, the Competition Manager for Triumph. Hard working, smart and a
neat guy, my old pal Jim.

Never be beaten by equipment


From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Nov 26 11:04:49 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:04:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Front Sway Bar?
Message-ID: <583C8C40-9C8A-4F27-B600-8CE7444EC378@comcast.net>

http://s1162.beta.photobucket.com/user/levi3451/library/Spitfire%20Front%20Sway%20Bar

Can anyone tell me what brand of front sway bar this is? It came on  
the Spit I bought in September. I've googled for similar ones with no  
luck.

I'm going to have to make some adjustments to it as the front tires  
rub and one tire (brand new Hoosier) is now shot. I guess that's part  
of the surprises you get from DPOs. It's been fun sorting out a number  
of little things getting it ready for next spring but that one was an  
unwelcome hit. But at least it was found in the shop and not on the  
track. All the more reason to go completely through a race car before  
risking life and limb on someone else's work.

Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)


From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov 26 12:02:11 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:02:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <50B3BCB3.5070403@bradakis.com>

That is sad news.   Many years ago I talked to him on the phone regarding
the GT6 I had at the time, he was a nice guy, willing to put up with me 
for a
few minutes.

mjb.


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:02:46 2012
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:02:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>

I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those
old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1
gear changing !    Wooo Hooo

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> recommendations from this great list.
>
>
> Bud Rolofson
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > know what the
> > consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
> > a TR6 and
> > regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:58:10 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:58:10 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrGtEM724XL2Ek7FQ-p+LxEVr3LbjRobXMdCES8xFgP403S3g@mail.gmail.com>

I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.

Cheers
Chris
Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
> Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those
> old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1
> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> > 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> > recommendations from this great list.
> >
> >
> > Bud Rolofson
> >
> > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > > know what the
> > > consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
> > > a TR6 and
> > > regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> > >
> > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > >
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov 26 15:16:36 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:16:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B55D5CC6-5A1C-487F-BAA1-65F816CADFB9@gdhs.com>

Robert.  How large did you enlarge the relief hole?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Robert Deanes <rfdeanes at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
> Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those
> old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1
> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
> 
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
>> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
>> recommendations from this great list.
>> 
>> 
>> Bud Rolofson
>> 
>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
>>> know what the
>>> consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
>>> a TR6 and
>>> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
>>> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>>> 
>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>> 
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Mon Nov 26 15:35:02 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:35:02 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>

Thanks for the response.  The more opinions I get the more I find there is not
a consensus.  In the early '90s when we got our TR3A I was reading the
Bentley's manual and I found the spot where they recommended the non detergent
30 weight oil.  I have several TRs and two of them use the A-Type OD and the
GT6 is, at this time, non OD.  I have an OD unit for it in the shop so that is
a future project.  When we got the GT6 the previous owner used MT90 and I
realized why.  Second gear, if rushed, barks on upshift not on down shift
which, to me, doesn't make sense.  Syncros, in my experience always barked on
down shift.  Any one that can enlighten me on this?  I was just looking for a
"one size fits all" solution.  The MT90 works good in the OD so at this time I
guess I'll continue to use it unless there is a compelling reason not to.
Thanks for all the responses and keep them coming!
Sam

On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Robert Deanes <rfdeanes at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those old
"A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1 gear
changing !    Wooo Hooo
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> recommendations from this great list.
>
>
> Bud Rolofson
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > know what the
> > consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
> > a TR6 and
> > regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Mon Nov 26 15:51:22 2012
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAPrGtEM724XL2Ek7FQ-p+LxEVr3LbjRobXMdCES8xFgP403S3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPrGtEM724XL2Ek7FQ-p+LxEVr3LbjRobXMdCES8xFgP403S3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301cdcc28$8ed515e0$ac7f41a0$@rr.com>

I presume you don't run that in cold weather.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Christian Marx
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:58 PM
To: Robert Deanes
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; Sam; fot at autox.team.net; 6-pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube

I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.

Cheers
Chris
Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders 
> Dave Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love 
> those old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to
F1
> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> > 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of 
> > recommendations from this great list.
> >
> >
> > Bud Rolofson
> >
> > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly 
> > Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to 
> > > know what the consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running 
> > > an A-Type OD in a TR6 and regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is 
> > > suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> > >
> > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > >
> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 15:53:10 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:10 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <000301cdcc28$8ed515e0$ac7f41a0$@rr.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPrGtEM724XL2Ek7FQ-p+LxEVr3LbjRobXMdCES8xFgP403S3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301cdcc28$8ed515e0$ac7f41a0$@rr.com>
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On every race event. I don't drive in snow with that car.
Am 26.11.2012 23:51 schrieb "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com
>:

> I presume you don't run that in cold weather.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Christian Marx
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:58 PM
> To: Robert Deanes
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; Sam; fot at autox.team.net;
> 6-pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
>
> I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
> Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:
>
> > I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders
> > Dave Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love
> > those old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get
> to
> F1
> > gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> > > 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> > > recommendations from this great list.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bud Rolofson
> > >
> > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> > > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> > > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> > > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly
> > > Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > > > know what the consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running
> > > > an A-Type OD in a TR6 and regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is
> > > > suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > > > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> > > >
> > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > > >
> > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 16:08:48 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:08:48 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
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As for race cars they are getting glowing hot in a race.  Thick oil does
protect the components I guess.

Cheers
Chris


From vangoughv at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 26 17:22:38 2012
From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:22:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
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References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
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	<AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT403-EAS8E9226BC8D2F62E307DD4B25E0@phx.gbl>

I'm using 90 gear lube in both my 70 GT6's.  Street car is with OD, race car
straight 4sp.   The race cars synchro is causing problems on gearing down from
3rd to 2nd so I'll be rebuilding my spare this winter.   I ran 30 non
detergent in my original GT6 Mk1 as a kid with no problems.


Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-26, at 6:03 PM, "Sam" <trdoctor at aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the response.  The more opinions I get the more I find there is
not
> a consensus.  In the early '90s when we got our TR3A I was reading the
> Bentley's manual and I found the spot where they recommended the non
detergent
> 30 weight oil.  I have several TRs and two of them use the A-Type OD and
the
> GT6 is, at this time, non OD.  I have an OD unit for it in the shop so that
is
> a future project.  When we got the GT6 the previous owner used MT90 and I
> realized why.  Second gear, if rushed, barks on upshift not on down shift
> which, to me, doesn't make sense.  Syncros, in my experience always barked
on
> down shift.  Any one that can enlighten me on this?  I was just looking for
a
> "one size fits all" solution.  The MT90 works good in the OD so at this time
I
> guess I'll continue to use it unless there is a compelling reason not to.
> Thanks for all the responses and keep them coming!
> Sam
>
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Robert Deanes <rfdeanes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders
Dave
> Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those old
> "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1 gear
> changing !    Wooo Hooo
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
wrote:
>> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
>> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
>> recommendations from this great list.
>>
>>
>> Bud Rolofson
>>
>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
>>> know what the
>>> consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
>>> a TR6 and
>>> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
>>> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>>>
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Nov 26 17:35:12 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:35:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAPrGtEMydVNZ5C90CBC02BhxKOn0YzYEJU2nb6J9+7sAh4C5Tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
	<CAPrGtEMydVNZ5C90CBC02BhxKOn0YzYEJU2nb6J9+7sAh4C5Tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0A49251-4EAC-4F10-BD47-EE3A7787B9FD@gdhs.com>

Chris. Viscosity is not a function of "thickness"  Transmission oils must have
the ability of resisting the shearing  action of the gears, not just
thickness. Whether the planetary gears in an A OD require this shearing
protection I don't know; but we use transmission lube in ours

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 26, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> As for race cars they are getting glowing hot in a race.  Thick oil does
> protect the components I guess.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Nov 26 17:49:48 2012
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:49:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Front Sway Bar?
In-Reply-To: <583C8C40-9C8A-4F27-B600-8CE7444EC378@comcast.net>
References: <583C8C40-9C8A-4F27-B600-8CE7444EC378@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CF9A503C89F8EF-1908-1CE3C@webmail-m161.sysops.aol.com>

Maybe Speedway Engineering?



-----Original Message-----
From: Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net List <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 10:19 am
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Front Sway Bar?


http://s1162.beta.photobucket.com/user/levi3451/library/Spitfire%20Front%20Sw
ay%20Bar
Can anyone tell me what brand of front sway bar this is? It came on
he Spit I bought in September. I've googled for similar ones with no
uck.
I'm going to have to make some adjustments to it as the front tires
ub and one tire (brand new Hoosier) is now shot. I guess that's part
f the surprises you get from DPOs. It's been fun sorting out a number
f little things getting it ready for next spring but that one was an
nwelcome hit. But at least it was found in the shop and not on the
rack. All the more reason to go completely through a race car before
isking life and limb on someone else's work.
Bud Rolofson
71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
1 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
6TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
1F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 26 17:57:25 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:57:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
Message-ID: <8CF9A514C7A308E-7EC-1C26D@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from new
billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON seal
and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Nov 26 18:38:11 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:38:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
In-Reply-To: <8CF9A514C7A308E-7EC-1C26D@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.204.1638252574.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

I can't remember the last time the cost of anything went down.
Thanks Chris & Joe, the seals work great.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Alexander
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:57 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from
new
billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON
seal
and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 26 18:59:02 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:59:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
Message-ID: <8CF9A59E81FDB4E-7EC-1C6DF@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>

Not to beat that drum too loudly, but the VITON SEAL project has been largely
a pro bono effort to this point.

Kas, Chris, et. al. put a lot of thought into this project.

There is one chapter in KAS' latest book regarding 'avoiding oil leaks' in the
wet liner engines.

Worth the price of admission, by itself.  KAS KASTNER'S TRIUMPHS   Still
available for the moment.





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: 'Joe Alexander' <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 7:47 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more


I can't remember the last time the cost of anything went down.
Thanks Chris & Joe, the seals work great.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Alexander
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:57 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from
new
billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON
seal
and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Nov 26 19:47:06 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:47:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] thanks for the John Clancy orders     www.triumphdvd.co.uk
Message-ID: <8CF9A609F54308E-7EC-1C9EA@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

SUBJECT:  The ultimate Kas Kastner Interview

By noon tomorrow, I will place another bulk order for California Air and other
two other Titles.

They should be here in about 10 days.

I have a few CALIFORNIA AIR on the shelf, right now.

Look at  www.triumphdvd.co.uk    and let me know of any more wanted.

Thanks.......



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 26 23:22:57 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:22:57 -0800
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <D0A49251-4EAC-4F10-BD47-EE3A7787B9FD@gdhs.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>
	<CAPrGtEMydVNZ5C90CBC02BhxKOn0YzYEJU2nb6J9+7sAh4C5Tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0A49251-4EAC-4F10-BD47-EE3A7787B9FD@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <CAPrGtEOyt-FS=TcorCbSMBorHOgTCK583bduu4c46SzC1hhSyg@mail.gmail.com>

Very true John!
That's why I use EP GL 4 oil for gear protection and high viscosity for a
good lubrication at extreme temperatures.
The main disadvantage with engine oil is that it has no foam resistantce.

Cheers
Chris
Am 27.11.2012 01:35 schrieb "John Hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com>:

> Chris. Viscosity is not a function of "thickness"  Transmission oils must
> have the ability of resisting the shearing  action of the gears, not just
> thickness. Whether the planetary gears in an A OD require this shearing
> protection I don't know; but we use transmission lube in ours
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Christian Marx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > As for race cars they are getting glowing hot in a race.  Thick oil does
> > protect the components I guess.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 27 06:51:59 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:51:59 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
 available again and more
In-Reply-To: <8CF9A59E81FDB4E-7EC-1C6DF@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CF9A59E81FDB4E-7EC-1C6DF@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000f01cdcca6$60edd850$22c988f0$@com>

The reason for the new housings was much wear of most of the stock parts had
over the years of use.

I reworked them for a while but 70 percent are worn (from offset mounting)
and I returned them without any change.
That caused delay for the customer so the way to go was with new parts. New
stays true.

The best thing, with changing the manufacturer and more parts made the
prices dropped a little and the availability is much better now.
I can keep a little stock of parts  to react faster than before when I made
the parts to order.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Joe Alexander
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. November 2012 02:59
An: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

Not to beat that drum too loudly, but the VITON SEAL project has been
largely a pro bono effort to this point.

Kas, Chris, et. al. put a lot of thought into this project.

There is one chapter in KAS' latest book regarding 'avoiding oil leaks' in
the wet liner engines.

Worth the price of admission, by itself.  KAS KASTNER'S TRIUMPHS   Still
available for the moment.





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: 'Joe Alexander' <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 7:47 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more


I can't remember the last time the cost of anything went down.
Thanks Chris & Joe, the seals work great.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Alexander
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:57 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx "MAD MARX" VITON CRANK SEAL AN UPDATE all
available again and more

 FOT:

Good news......Christian shipped more seals to the U.S.

More good news.....changing suppliers and increasing volume reduced the cost
of replacement seals.

Further good news.....Christian is now producing the scroll housings from
new billet material.

So now there is a choice of remanufactured scrolls and brand new scrolls.

Centering tools have been produced here in the U.S. and are available.

So, if you need this kit or individual parts, they are all available.

Remember, this is the 'belt and suspenders' kit, with the superior VITON
seal and does not require the grinding of the crank.


Thanks to Christian for his thoughtful engineering and diligence in bringing
this kit to TR3 and TR4 drivers.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From clw2000 at msn.com  Tue Nov 27 12:54:28 2012
From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:54:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
Message-ID: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>

Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
questions:

- Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
- I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
safety, or what?
- Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
- Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.

Thanks in advance from South Carolina....

Thanks,

Chuck Watson


Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC


From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Nov 27 13:15:55 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:15:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAPrGtEOfPSkqoD3=6J7-_2-8c5bxmMKKtB+EZnxP=1Vc94Q56Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPrGtEM724XL2Ek7FQ-p+LxEVr3LbjRobXMdCES8xFgP403S3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301cdcc28$8ed515e0$ac7f41a0$@rr.com>
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Message-ID: <50B51F7B.7070700@pobox.com>

Engine oils and gear oils or measured on a different temperature basis.  
Engine oils at 212 and gear oils or at 150 I believe.  So, SAE 30 engine 
oil will have much higher viscosity at 150 degrees, You'd have to know 
the viscosity index information to compare them directly.
Larry

On 11/26/2012 4:53 PM, Christian Marx wrote:
> On every race event. I don't drive in snow with that car.
> Am 26.11.2012 23:51 schrieb "Spitfire Racing" <spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com
>> :
>> I presume you don't run that in cold weather.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Christian Marx
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:58 PM
>> To: Robert Deanes
>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; Sam; fot at autox.team.net;
>> 6-pack at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Transmission Lube
>>
>> I run EP 140 gearbox oil with OD.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>> Am 26.11.2012 22:29 schrieb "Robert Deanes" <rfdeanes at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders
>>> Dave Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love
>>> those old "A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get
>> to
>> F1
>>> gear changing !    Wooo Hooo
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
>>>> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
>>>> recommendations from this great list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bud Rolofson
>>>>
>>>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>>>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>>>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
>>>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly
>>>> Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
>>>>> know what the consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running
>>>>> an A-Type OD in a TR6 and regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is
>>>>> suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
>>>>> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>>>>>
>>>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>>>>
>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> TR Racer
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Nov 27 13:35:56 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:35:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.205.1638252574.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Dropping it below the trunk floor is done for weight distribution.
I THINK the soft rubber is safer than the hard plastic, but am less 
confident in that answer.

The stock gas cap opens too easily so needs to be wired shut if 
used.  If you connect to a remote fill, you need to use fire and 
impact resistant plumbing.  There's a video of a Miata (I think) 
going up in flames because the fill line for the fuel tank broke / 
melted.  Very scary.  It's best to just use the cap on top of the 
tank and avoid any possible issues with impact / fire related to a remote fill.

Tony

At 01:54 PM 11/27/2012, Charles WATSON wrote:
>Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
>questions:
>
>- Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
>- I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
>exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
>safety, or what?
>- Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
>- Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
>Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
>
>Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chuck Watson
>
>
>Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
>Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Tue Nov 27 13:38:23 2012
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:38:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1F0B61AA-C282-4B33-9BD8-CEA372DA9704@charter.net>

I would rather have a tightly sealed fuel cell instead of having gasoline
being able to exit out of that wimpy but beautiful spring loaded cap. I still
have mine on the gT6 even though there is nothing attached to it. I do not
think most sanctioning bodies would allow you to use it anyway.

On Nov 27, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Charles WATSON wrote:

> Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a
few
> questions:
>
> - Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
> - I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the
floor,
> exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
> safety, or what?
> - Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
> - Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler
location?
> Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
>
> Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck Watson
>
>
> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Nov 27 14:33:29 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:33:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU154-W142F9EE0280FD6EEED7D49BF5E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44C89C83-CCBA-4964-A1E6-EEFD7CD1432A@me.com>

I personally like the all aluminum Fuel Safe cell in my GT6 better than the steel ATL in my Tr4. Just replaced the ATL because, in part, the box had rusted.  Better fitting cap on the FS too.  I recall that SVRA regs don't allow the use of the remote filler on the GT6 but you have to keep it for appearance' sake.

Sent from my mobile device 

On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Charles WATSON <clw2000 at msn.com> wrote:

> Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
> questions:
> 
> - Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
> - I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
> exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
> safety, or what?
> - Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
> - Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
> Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
> 
> Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck Watson
> 
> 
> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 27 20:36:23 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:36:23 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
Message-ID: <17917484.1354073783592.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have the ATL "Sports Series" and bought a few upgrades including the aluminum box and the fancy dipstick.  Don't get the dipstick.  It's black hard plastic and when you pull it out, the fuel has already evaporated and you can't see the level!  I would suggest an 8 gallon tank so that you have a little room in the trunk around the tank.  In my TR3, the spare tire compartment was cut out to allow the cell to sit down in there, nice and low.

One of the fittings on the top of the cell is for a vent tube.  The tubing should arc up and then down to the underside of the car so that it can suck air to replace the fuel that is being consumed.  If the car were to roll, this tube would then be right-side up and not pour gas.

I am happy with the ATL and the folks there were helpful over the phone.

Another good recommendation, while you have the tank out, is to weld in a little "intrusion bar" to protect the tank in case you get hit from behind.

~Steve


-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
>Sent: Nov 27, 2012 1:33 PM
>To: Charles WATSON <clw2000 at msn.com>
>Cc: FOT List <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
>
>I personally like the all aluminum Fuel Safe cell in my GT6 better than the steel ATL in my Tr4. Just replaced the ATL because, in part, the box had rusted.  Better fitting cap on the FS too.  I recall that SVRA regs don't allow the use of the remote filler on the GT6 but you have to keep it for appearance' sake.
>
>Sent from my mobile device 
>
>On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Charles WATSON <clw2000 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Planning for the fuel cell in my GT6.  I've read the archives but still a few
>> questions:
>> 
>> - Is the soft rubber bladder safer than the hard plastic?
>> - I've seen installations where the cell is installed halfway below the floor,
>> exposing it to the elements, etc.  Is this purely for weight distribtion,
>> safety, or what?
>> - Everyone seems to like ATL or Fuel Safe.  Anything else to consider?
>> - Why can/can't I use the stock gas cap location as a remote filler location?
>> Don't recall seeing this done on a GT6.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance from South Carolina....
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck Watson
>> 
>> 
>> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers
>> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC
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>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Tue Nov 27 21:25:01 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:25:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Subject:  Sad News
Message-ID: <ed1.6a3aff11.3de6ec1d@aol.com>

He was quite a fine fellow and will be missed.  I learned many  things from 
him when his office was in the Brisbane, CA  BL Depot and I  visited 
frequently. 
 
Hardy
 
From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
To: fot  <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
Message-ID:  <SNT120-W371CD7F655D12F77403725DF5F0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"

James Anthony Coan passed away Sunday in Los Angeles.  Jimmy had been quit 
ill
for several years. Jim was my right hand man for  years and years, then 
upon my
retirement, the Competition Manager for  Triumph. Hard working, smart and a
neat guy, my old pal  Jim.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 07:02:47 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:02:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013
Message-ID: <8CF9B882DF79D85-1E00-24E10@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

Reservations are going well at the Osthoff.

For you that asked about reserving rooms on line at the www.osthoff.com
website:  Code is   "FRIEND"

Otherwise, mention "FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH" when calling in, to get your
discounted rooms and suites.

Make your reservations early...they will work with us to add rooms beyond the
current FOT contract, but no guarantee that what you want will be available.

The smart money is on 2 and 3 bedroom suites by getting friends together and
sharing the costs. Amenities abound with the suites.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 08:00:55 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:00:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] FAQ  KCUP 2013
In-Reply-To: <09AE8584-6335-4F60-AA18-F79460D5E835@me.com>
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 For information:

vscda.com
roadamerica.com
osthoff.com
fot-racing.com

the FOT website will be updated in the future.

Once again, all Triumphs and TRIUMPH POWERED racecars will be considered as
entrants....just ask.  But treaded tires only.

You can make initial REQUEST FOR ENTRY to me. Not all cars will be eligible
for the KASTNER CUP.





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To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 8:18 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013


the FOT site is out of date as to when/where the 2013 event is.  What's the
date?


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 09:31:06 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:31:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] FAQ KCUP 2013
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correction on vscda.

It is .org not .com

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

>  For information:
>
> vscda.com
> roadamerica.com
> osthoff.com
> fot-racing.com
>
> the FOT website will be updated in the future.
>
> Once again, all Triumphs and TRIUMPH POWERED racecars will be considered as
> entrants....just ask.  But treaded tires only.
>
> You can make initial REQUEST FOR ENTRY to me. Not all cars will be eligible
> for the KASTNER CUP.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 8:18 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013
>
>
> the FOT site is out of date as to when/where the 2013 event is.  What's the
> date?
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 09:40:27 2012
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:40:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  FAQ KCUP 2013-----correction   vscda.org
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> correction on vscda.
>  
> It is .org not .com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------
> Exactly....thanks for the correction, Mr. Arnold. &  Mr. Korey</HTML>
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correction on vscda.

It is .org not .com

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

>  For information:
>
> vscda.com
> roadamerica.com
> osthoff.com
> fot-racing.com
>
> the FOT website will be updated in the future.
>
> Once again, all Triumphs and TRIUMPH POWERED racecars will be considered as
> entrants....just ask.  But treaded tires only.
>
> You can make initial REQUEST FOR ENTRY to me. Not all cars will be eligible
> for the KASTNER CUP.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 8:18 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] RESERVATIONS AT THE OSTHOFF   --   KASTNER CUP 2013
>
>
> the FOT site is out of date as to when/where the 2013 event is.  What's the
> date?
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Nov 28 11:09:59 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:09:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot]  Fuel Cell Questions
Message-ID: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>

Hey, Hey, I got the dipstick too and I love it! And it gets hot in Kansas
too. Yes, on  some days the fuel evaporates quickly, so look quicker. :-)
Okay, so sometimes I check it 2-3 times to be confident I have a good
reading. Still beats guessing.

I got the 8-gal Sport Cell too, for my Spitfire. I had ATL put the dipstick
hole in the aluminum box. Only problem was, they didn't put a hole in the
foam inside, so when I got it I had to dismantle it, pull the foam out, and
make a hole. LOL  Not like that was any big deal. And I'll second the notion
that the ATL folks were very helpful.

I found if you take a blade and score the dipstick in about 1" increments,
each inch is just about a gallon.

I also got mine with double duckfoot pickups inside the cell, one goes to
each rear corner and each feeds its own fuel pump (Holley Red, which then go
to a tee, and then the line to the carbs). Never a problem with fuel
starvation in the turns. Holley Red pumps about 7 psi, I have a Holley
regulator up front to cut the flow to 2.5 psi to the carbs. I have a
no-tools test port tight by the tee.

And yes, I also put the vent tube in the same way Steve described. One thing
I learned is don't put 8 gallons in the 8-gallon cell. It'll overflow out
that vent tube and sometimes corner workers get all excited that you're
"leaking." To forestall that somewhat I also created a "fuel surge
attenuator" to attach to the vent tube -- I cut a finger off a cloth work
glove and wired it to the end of the tube. :-D  A seven gallon fill will get
you as far as you need to go.

I had my favorite body shop create me a cradle out of angle iron to mount
it. It hangs from the inner side plates since it's cut through the floor,
and a tailpipe bracket is welded to the bottom of the cradle (no it doesn't
get hot).

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions


>I have the ATL "Sports Series" and bought a few upgrades including the 
>aluminum box and the fancy dipstick.  Don't get the dipstick.  It's black 
>hard plastic and when you pull it out, the fuel has already evaporated and 
>you can't see the level!  I would suggest an 8 gallon tank so that you have 
>a little room in the trunk around the tank.  In my TR3, the spare tire 
>compartment was cut out to allow the cell to sit down in there, nice and 
>low.
>
> One of the fittings on the top of the cell is for a vent tube.  The tubing 
> should arc up and then down to the underside of the car so that it can 
> suck air to replace the fuel that is being consumed.  If the car were to 
> roll, this tube would then be right-side up and not pour gas.
>
> I am happy with the ATL and the folks there were helpful over the phone.
>
> Another good recommendation, while you have the tank out, is to weld in a 
> little "intrusion bar" to protect the tank in case you get hit from 
> behind.
>
> ~Steve


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Wed Nov 28 13:23:01 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:23:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1354129203.3410.fot@autox.team.net>
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I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel gauge I
have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, I can
guess the rest).

Picture here
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg

G. Michael Harmuth
63 spit


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Nov 28 13:58:30 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
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We use an old broom stick 


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I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel gauge I
have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, I can
guess the rest).

Picture here
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg

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From clw2000 at msn.com  Wed Nov 28 14:12:51 2012
From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:12:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42 - Fuel Cell
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Message-ID: <BLU154-W261C44A514B128A0359FCBBF5D0@phx.gbl>

Thanks to everyone for all the fuel cell pointers.   I went with a 10 gallon
unit from ATL as the weight difference was not all that much more than the 8
gal. but the shape kept it close to the center of the car.  It has the dual
duck-flap intakes and I opted for the aluminum body as it will be exposed to
the elements.  Both the hard rubber bladder and the fabric bladder meet the
same FIA specs and the tech guy at ATL did not recommend one over the other
based on safety alone.  The differences are primarily fuel capability and
weight for that choice.  Best price I found was racerpartswholesale, but if a
steel unit was wanted, the 24hoursoflemons site was by far the best.

Thanks,

Chuck Watson











> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:23:01 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
>
> I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel gauge I
> have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, I can
> guess the rest).
>
> Picture here
> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
> 63 spit
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From vangoughv at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:21:53 2012
From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:21:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
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I use the 8gal ATL SPORTSMAN Cell, no remote fuel setup and a notched dowel as
a level dip stick

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-28, at 3:59 PM, "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> We use an old broom stick
>
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Nov 28 15:57:48 2012
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:57:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
Message-ID: <2d81f9df.7e7e8.13b493d8d89.Webtop.13@optonline.net>

To All:

Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;

1. Low in the trunk/spare wheel well for the center of gravity but 
causing some what of a pendelum effect by having extra weight hanging 
out the back
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car

Thanks
Todd Redmond
'58 TR3A




On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Vince G wrote:

> I use the 8gal ATL SPORTSMAN Cell, no remote fuel setup and a notched 
> dowel as
> a level dip stick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2012-11-28, at 3:59 PM, "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>
>> We use an old broom stick
>>
>>
>> John H. Hasty
>> Attorney At Law
>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>> 719 East Boulevard
>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
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>> I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel 
>> gauge I
>> have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, 
>> I can
>> guess the rest).
>>
>> Picture here
>> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Nov 28 16:24:45 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:24:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
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Make sure that the fuel outlet is at the back rather than one of the sides.
Fuel sloshed to one side during a hard turn in a lower fuel condition will
cause fuel starvation.  

(Ask how I know this!)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:58 PM
To: vangoughv at hotmail.com
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net; harmug at us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42

To All:

Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;

1. Low in the trunk/spare wheel well for the center of gravity but 
causing some what of a pendelum effect by having extra weight hanging 
out the back
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car

Thanks
Todd Redmond
'58 TR3A




On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Vince G wrote:

> I use the 8gal ATL SPORTSMAN Cell, no remote fuel setup and a notched 
> dowel as
> a level dip stick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2012-11-28, at 3:59 PM, "john hasty" <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>
>> We use an old broom stick
>>
>>
>> John H. Hasty
>> Attorney At Law
>> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
>> 719 East Boulevard
>> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
>> Tele: (704) 372-5600
>> Fax: (704) 372-4601
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>> On
>> Behalf Of George Harmuth
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:23 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
>>
>> I use the ATL 8 gal in my Spit with a cage around it. For a fuel 
>> gauge I
>> have a large Home Depot paint stirrer, properly marked (line at Full, 
>> I can
>> guess the rest).
>>
>> Picture here
>> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/fuel%20cell/PA050001.jpg
>>
>> G. Michael Harmuth
>> 63 spit
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From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Nov 28 17:39:44 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:39:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <2d81f9df.7e7e8.13b493d8d89.Webtop.13@optonline.net>
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Message-ID: <CALCydYpeUUCijqTf6Ke5_879SE5JKtYOywrTtc7AicDDsJHbNQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>wrote:

"Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car"

At least in the GT6 the 2nd option is out... as you need to access the
studs and nuts from above the axle for differential install and removal.
There is lots of weight up front in our coupes. By virtue of balance more
than anything, farthest back and low is our best bet.
While we are getting creative...There is always that old NASCAR trick
(maybe Smokey Yunick Sp?) where you use the roll bar tubes for one giant
scary secret gas tank. or tubular Bomb...

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Nov 28 18:02:52 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:02:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYpeUUCijqTf6Ke5_879SE5JKtYOywrTtc7AicDDsJHbNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2d81f9df.7e7e8.13b493d8d89.Webtop.13@optonline.net>
	<CALCydYpeUUCijqTf6Ke5_879SE5JKtYOywrTtc7AicDDsJHbNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CF9BE46456B287-1E00-2A567@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com>

YES, Smokey Yunick.   He told us that at Mid-Ohio.

He couldnt hear any questions, so someone had to relay questions into his
ear.





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





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From: Jason Ostrowski <jason at multivintage.com>
To: Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
Cc: FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>; harmug
<harmug at us.ibm.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 72, Issue 42


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>wrote:

"Reading all of the responses got me thinking.

Which location is better to mount the fuel cell and why;
2. A little higher, over the rear axle toward the center of the car"

At least in the GT6 the 2nd option is out... as you need to access the
studs and nuts from above the axle for differential install and removal.
There is lots of weight up front in our coupes. By virtue of balance more
than anything, farthest back and low is our best bet.
While we are getting creative...There is always that old NASCAR trick
(maybe Smokey Yunick Sp?) where you use the roll bar tubes for one giant
scary secret gas tank. or tubular Bomb...

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 28 20:42:33 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:42:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>

 On the subject of vents. We autocross the spitfire some also and the hard
jolts back and forth would tend to slosh gas out the vent tube even when we
ran it up and looped it a couple of times. Since it exited the trunk floor
near the exhaust it was not a good combination. We fabbed up a small catch can
roughly 4x4x4 and mounted it on the floor of the trunk. The vent tube ran from
the cell to the top of the catch can. A second vent tube came out of the top
of the catch can and exited through the floor of the trunk. The bottom of
catch can has a petcock that also goes out the floor of the trunk that is used
to drain off any gas at an appropriate time. That did the trick for us.


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Nov 28 21:05:02 2012
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:05:02 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <50B6DEEE.8060502@comcast.net>

I'm using an 8 gallon Fuel Safe cell.  Never had a problem with overflow 
in the vent tube, but then I only run about 4-5 gallons max.  The vent 
hose is one of the clear plastic, nylon braided hoses available from 
Home Depot.  I attached it to an Aeroquip fitting and it works fine.  I 
got a small in-line plastic check valve from Pegasus I think and shoved 
it into the hose a couple of inches. Allows air in and no fuel out.  
Photos available on request.

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From mdporter at dfn.com  Wed Nov 28 21:24:42 2012
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:24:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <50B6E38A.4020007@dfn.com>

On 11/28/2012 8:42 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>   On the subject of vents. We autocross the spitfire some also and the hard
> jolts back and forth would tend to slosh gas out the vent tube even when we
> ran it up and looped it a couple of times. Since it exited the trunk floor
> near the exhaust it was not a good combination.

This would seem to be a perfect application for a vacuum break check 
valve.  There are fuel-proof check valves of this type available, and in 
operation, they are normally closed until there is a differential 
between atmosphere and the tank interior, then open just long enough to 
equalize pressures.  One of those installed before the loop in the vent 
tube would effectively end the problem of fuel sloshing out.

Maybe something like this:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#spring-check-valves/=kda0b8

A differential of a third of a psi to open would probably be negligible 
as far as fuel delivery goes, and it's doubtful sloshed fuel in a 
vertical pipe would cause it to open.  The oil- and diesel-proof valve 
might not last quite as long when used with gasoline, but, they're 
pretty cheap compared to the cost of the fuel cell--or the cost of 
hauling to an event and then getting black-flagged for leaking fuel.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Nov 28 22:24:43 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:24:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0703412942B1461BBD1D0A0ED42349A4@Vista>

I just attached a hose to the vent  and ran it high enough that any slosh
would be contained and drain back to the tank.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marty sukey
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:43 PM
To: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions

 On the subject of vents. We autocross the spitfire some also and the hard
jolts back and forth would tend to slosh gas out the vent tube even when we
ran it up and looped it a couple of times. Since it exited the trunk floor
near the exhaust it was not a good combination. We fabbed up a small catch
can
roughly 4x4x4 and mounted it on the floor of the trunk. The vent tube ran
from
the cell to the top of the catch can. A second vent tube came out of the top
of the catch can and exited through the floor of the trunk. The bottom of
catch can has a petcock that also goes out the floor of the trunk that is
used
to drain off any gas at an appropriate time. That did the trick for us.
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Wed Nov 28 22:29:08 2012
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 00:29:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] fuel cells
Message-ID: <41FED569899943C0ACF03EE1346A517D@hpd530>

Hi Gang,
All this talk of fuel cells reminds me of the time I was going through Tech.
The inspector asked what the object was that was nestled under the fuel cell
holddown straps.
I replied that it was an analog fuel level indicator system.
Inspector laughed.
Object is more commonly known as a wooded ruler.
A little humor never hurts!
Cheers, Bill
PS, I use an ATL 15 gallon cell. It's what came with the car. It fits in the
trunk nicely.
PPS, go see "Lincoln" Great movie.


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 29 06:59:06 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:59:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <0703412942B1461BBD1D0A0ED42349A4@Vista>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>,
	<0703412942B1461BBD1D0A0ED42349A4@Vista>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W21DCFE7EEA56034981EBA0BA5C0@phx.gbl>

 I received a few words of advice on my "situation", thanks much they are
appreciated. Let me add....  The fuel sloshing out condition showed up when I
first got the car. I checked and it did have a check valve. I took it out and
there did not really appear that there was any way for it to not function, at
least visually so I re-installed it.  Originally the vent went to the top of
the inner fender and then straight down, no loop.  I do not remember how much
gas I had in the cell, maybe I just had it to full.  Anyway, I really really
didn't like the gas coming out onto the exhaust so the catch can was installed
as a redundant system as well as adding a loop in the vent tank.  Since I have
put in this so called fix I honestly cannot remember ever draining any gas out
of the catch can after a event.  So maybe it was a big waste of time but it
made me more at ease never having to be wondering if gas might be possibly
splashing out when I am at  the wheel.  And heaven knows, I need lots less to
worry about when I am behind the wheel!  :)

Marty


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Nov 29 08:01:14 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:01:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
References: <D6A10678017F4C42A46A8559450785CF@rocky>
	<BLU168-W44E2B673BE76C7FB259E2BBA5C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1211290955270.18098@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

My fuel cell has a "check valve" in the vent tube, so positive pressure 
from fuel in the vent closes the valve and there's no spilling. Ever. I'm 
pretty sure that the check valve is required in road racing "in case of a 
rollover". That seemed like a good idea to me at the time.

I'm pretty sure I have the 8 gallon Fuel Safe cell (aluminum case, kevlar 
bladder and foam with the internal surge can and pickups in both front 
corners. It works great. Actually, I'm thinking about replacing the foam 
as it is now 14 years old. But I also use nothing but 110 leaded race 
fuel, so there's no degredation on the fuel lines or anything.

regards,
rml
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Nov 29 08:11:06 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:11:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] The first TR6 FRONT FENDER REPAIR PANEL.....
Message-ID: <8CF9C5AE3B06CB9-814-31881@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>

 ......was produced yesterday.   Lower Fender 'rust' panel at rocker.

If anyone is interested in seeing a picture, contact me.

The TR4 Panel is in production....The TR6 production will be available in a
couple of weeks when the CAD files are completed and laser blanking can
start..

Regards,



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Nov 30 09:19:12 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:19:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] fuel cells
In-Reply-To: <41FED569899943C0ACF03EE1346A517D@hpd530>
References: <41FED569899943C0ACF03EE1346A517D@hpd530>
Message-ID: <50B8DC80.8040903@pobox.com>

I always used a Model T gas gauge.  I purpose made wooden stick with 
graduations for the type of tank.  Unfortunately, no scale for my fuel cell.
Larry

On 11/28/2012 11:29 PM, Bill Tobin wrote:
> Hi Gang,
> All this talk of fuel cells reminds me of the time I was going through Tech.
> The inspector asked what the object was that was nestled under the fuel cell
> holddown straps.
> I replied that it was an analog fuel level indicator system.
> Inspector laughed.
> Object is more commonly known as a wooded ruler.
> A little humor never hurts!
> Cheers, Bill
> PS, I use an ATL 15 gallon cell. It's what came with the car. It fits in the
> trunk nicely.
> PPS, go see "Lincoln" Great movie.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Nov 30 21:45:37 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:45:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FWD: Piston needed
Message-ID: <50B98B71.1090403@bradakis.com>

To send mail to fot at autox.team.net  you send mail to fot at autox.team.net.

mjb.

Subject:
tr 3/4 piston(s)
From:
KENMUN at aol.com
Date:
11/30/2012 11:03 AM




i need a 87mm piston, will consider a set. thanks. ken m. tr 3 vintage racer