[Fot] RE -valve guides revisited

[Tony Drews]

One of the FOT shared some calculations with me concerning the 
shrinking of clearances when hot...

With Bronze guides with 0.004" clearance and Stainless Steel valves 
with 5/16" stems, when the exhaust valve hits 1000 degrees there will 
be 0" of clearance.

I have no way to check the math and it's way above my pay grade, but 
what Michael is describing is exactly the issue in my mind.  You want 
to run a clearance just big enough to avoid sticking the valves.

I can't argue that Bronze is better than Iron for the guides, but a 
number of have found that if you don't run "enough" clearance, bad 
things can occur - and they get infinitely worse if you have enough 
lift that you're running an interference valve train.

The conventional wisdom seemed to be that the iron guides had higher 
wear or were somehow inferior to Bronze but I'm really unclear where 
that notion came from.

Tony

At 07:26 PM 5/14/2012, Michael Porter wrote:
>On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote:
>>i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be
>>able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there
>>is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed
>>stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best
>>heat transfer.
>
>Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running 
>clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, 
>depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their 
>use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that 
>the hot running clearance is adequate.  When the guide grows with 
>heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical 
>strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion 
>is lower than that of the bronze.
>
>This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an 
>aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the 
>same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger 
>deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1.  This is why so many 
>racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using 
>the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides).
>
>
>Cheers.
>
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>Michael Porter
>Roswell, NM
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>
>Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking 
>distance....